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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to reader Syndicate three point zero, the next evolution
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We will be joined by members of the can Illuminati
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Speaker 3 (01:32):
What's up everyone, Welcome to the Cidicate. I was muted.
I'm Matthew. I'm here with no one yet. I think
Screw is finishing some stuff up. I don't know where
Chucky is, so this is going to be really winging it.
We didn't really have any like wonderful plans set in stone,
so I just put funny shit and thumbnail. One thing
I did want to go over today because I don't
think I don't remember doing it, and you know, people
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have asked about romulin a lot, and I did get
the whole story from Romuline Joe, So I thought this
is the perfect show to like sneak that in right,
like something off the cuff, and we can actually have
the story documented out there. And granted it's not on
the thumbnail, so most people won't be searching it, but
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it'll be just something fun for people here to have
an exclusive on right people that show up. Also, I
want to talk about the new merch. There's some limited
merch up and it's at Syndicatecare dot com. It's gonna
be the can Illuminati logo and then there's a British
Cityicate logo on the right sleeve and on the back
there it just says can Illuminati real big. It's a
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brand new logo. Let me see.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I'll bring it up.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
There we go. That's what it looks like on the front.
You can actually see the thing behind me here, let's
see first. No, I don't know. It doesn't want me
to show it. I guess. Oh, anyway, you can see
the logo there. That's what it looks like. You can
zoom in tindicke gear dot com. Check it all out.
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You can see the back, the right sleeve, all that
good stuff. And yeah, we we originally released a logo
similar to this as our first shirt. Oh there's one
chucky What is that?
Speaker 5 (03:18):
Can you even hear me? Almost? All my fucking seeds are?
Are you back? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (03:23):
It was the microphone? Now am I my super loud?
Speaker 5 (03:25):
Now you're fine?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
That's just sounds echoing to me, I don't know. Yeah,
my my Mike decided to break but it was working
to skip but the output.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
Yeah that sucks, bro.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Fuck these audio pro things. This is my my, my
one star review of this piece.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
Of ship, which one is a it's just.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
A it's one. I got to replace the blue yetti
because blue yetti I thought was kind of a pain
in the ass and inconsistent. But talk about inconsistent in
the middle of the beginning of a show. There's screw
what Just in time, bro, just in time to start
the show.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
Hey, guys, welcome to readers. Syndy kid. You know we're
back this week with the late show. But technical difficulty.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Tesnical difficulties we got going on?
Speaker 5 (04:15):
Hey, can you hear it? Screw? Maybe he's gotten problems
to he's got problems too. Yeah, I don't know. Hello
we go.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Can you hear me?
Speaker 5 (04:27):
Yes, sir?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Is this sound better than usual?
Speaker 3 (04:31):
It sounds very good.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
It sounds good. I might not sound like crap, but
I said.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
People in the audience can tell us if we sound
totally unbalanced. Let us know, because it usually sounds freaking
hear each other. We're like, okay, cool, but yeah.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
I'm gonna be putting from the steaks and shipping while
we're talking here.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
We got a word, fam. We only have so many
hours in a day.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Someone asked right in the beginning here it was uh,
it was a good question. Where is it?
Speaker 2 (05:07):
T is?
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Where is he.
Speaker 6 (05:10):
At three inches? Second lady answer, that's.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Already got three inches and hanging. Yeah, I can't find
it now. It was a good question too.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
Matt speak some speaking of East Coast. Already.
Speaker 6 (05:23):
We'll spend some game to us. Maybe some new people
in the chat. They don't know what fucking ship about
all those cuts. Talk to us and spend some game
to East Diesel.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Matt about what where you guys? Should I start on
East Coast? Seller Diesel?
Speaker 6 (05:34):
Start at the beginning? Man, what's up with all these
twenty million different cuts?
Speaker 5 (05:38):
What's that? A J sower? What's what? What's all?
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Okay, I'll start at the beginning. There was I can't
I don't want to say their names. But swell Manny
the cuts name, I guess we can go with that.
In Vondo, you know there are three names. I'll go
with those names. Swell Manny and Vondo are the three
that that usually get associate with it the most. I
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don't remember exactly, I know I know Vonda was a
roommate there. Manny is the one who selected the cut
that they stayed on with. But they had a bag
called our diesel and they basically it was bag seed
from this plant that they were pulling, right and the
plant that we know it was either ninety one or
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a ninety one bag seed that they had popped and grown.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
And we know that.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
The Virginia skunk and this is not to be confused
with mass super skunk, but the VA skunk not skunk.
The a v A skunk was a Northern Light five
Hayes F two, So KIM ninety one bag seed and
L five Hayes F two F two is kind of
you know, extra, but n L five hayes. So that's
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that's how you end up with the first version of sour,
which is interesting because KIM one through four are probably
a something similar ninety one times and all five hays.
So yeah, that's how it started out. There were a
lot of different seeds selected, one kept that got passed
on to all the homies. But from there, I mean,
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sour was a really famous strain. It was one of
the biggest strains on the East Coast. Everybody wanted to cut.
So like things happen, like we've seen them happen time
and time again, people start getting you know, bud, they'll
have a seed in it, they'll pop that and they'll
be like, this is my cut?
Speaker 5 (07:29):
Is all right? Cut?
Speaker 3 (07:30):
And early on there was only a few that people
were claiming. I mean even up until res Dog made
his seed line, there was only there was only that
main cut. AJ was a customer that was moving weight
and of sour. And then you have other people like
JJ New York that was a customer moving weight and
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then onto other custodes custing custodes, cut custis custing custodes.
Speaker 6 (07:57):
And when res fucking around with shit? Is that when
they attached the East Coast to the sour diesel part
portion of the name.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Yeah, his seed line was called the East Coast Sour Diesel.
Now there's the the main cut floating around that I
think most people have is called e CSD. Now I
don't know if that's because it's from Resist seed line.
Was his selection to start his seed line, or they
call it ECSD because of Resist seed line, but it
was sour no, what he really knows and there's no
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real good way to confirm it. And Res is Res,
So what the fuck are we gonna ask Rez? I'm
sure Flannel Pop sometime to fucking beat his chest. Ah,
you're talking about my boyfriend?
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Yeah, and so, And that's like at the time, it
was just Sour. There wasn't like a need to differentiate
until a bunch of different things, right.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Yeah, I mean the crew had multiple cuts, but yeah,
they What's funny is those guys, even though they're the
ones who are responsible for this cut getting around, right,
they don't want any credit for it at all. And then, oh,
then I don't want to leave out Clock because he
was a part of the crew too their early career
and he's a major reason for Sour. We had an
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interview with him and Gabby was a part of it,
and it would have been nice to have just just
clop there because Gabby was in the middle of an
iPhone store and it was loud as fuck, is what
it is?
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yeah, credit card?
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Yeah, but cass, why is the East Coast Swardiesel Chocco
cut considered the best of the Rear Syndicate crew. It's
the one I like the most. I've run the AJ too,
but I didn't run a lot of different sour cuts.
I didn't fill the need like the Chaco and I
was the one who stuck the name of the Choco
on it. It was really mostly because Chaco was known
for growing it, growing it really well. That specific cut
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he grew up fucking awesome. And whenever someone be like,
which cut you have, I'm like that one. He grows
it way better than me. That's the one that I have.
That's the best example that you can see a picture
of to know which cut I have. And that's when
the Chocoate cut got associated. His name got mostly associated
with it. People would people were calling it Chocoate's cup,
but people had his name associated with real.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
Well, oh yeah, thanks for sharing with that.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
With this, Matt Yeah Burn Rubbert tennis ball is the terps.
Like some people here sour they think citric acid or
lemon or this other stuff. And Caleb did say that
the cut that he had Sha Bud threw and one
time using flower power, which was a specific kind of
soil they had up in North cal produced really nice
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lemoni OUI sour diesel, but I've never seen it produce
lemon in the e CSD cut.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
I think, yeah, I think.
Speaker 6 (10:41):
H and L was saying, if you do it outdoors,
sometimes you get a little bit on it, but not
that much.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Interesting. Yeah see he'd know. You'd know he's been growing
it for a long time. He's been going to CD for.
Speaker 6 (10:50):
Twenty years or something. I thank you said, so yeah,
hell yeah, it's cool, man. I really enjoy it. After
I ran a blue sour along with a bunch of tea,
uh Tower, Diesel Crosses, pure OG's and stuff, and man,
just yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
This's this.
Speaker 6 (11:06):
Of course I ran skank dogs and stuff other things.
I love it, dude, fucking so much. Even like with
your blue sour, you get that. I didn't really get
any blueberry turps.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
I got stout turbs. And but what was cool I
had I've said it before, but I had.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
Some expressed, real tall, lanky ones and thin leaves, and
then I had some more shorter, squatter ones, dude, and
real nobby looking.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
H I love that look. I do too.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
It was really cool, man.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
It's really distinctive. It's it's super distinctive when it has
that look, even all the different cuts. The one thing
that I've noticed, you can see super skunk in all
of them. And uh yeah, I mean when I say
the super skunk, look, if you look at a picture
of e CSD, that's what the super skunk look is
that that blown out bracks dude.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
The uh And I know I've said this a million times,
but just.
Speaker 6 (11:56):
Getting it in like a rick regular form where you
could give males and it's pretty true to sour Man.
I mean, I popped just like a random little pack
and got.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
What I want. It's a I don't know. I thought
it was super cool.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Man Forte asked, do I know where I got the
day Wrecker from? By a chance? Yes, originally body and
then after that matt Elite put me back up with it.
And I don't know what day Wrecker is like? Am
I assumption from growing a lot of OG's and KEM
ninety one and the fact that it smells exactly like
KEM ninety one crossed og was that it was an
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early KM ninety one OG hybrid.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
I would I.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Would punch myself in the nuts thirty times over if
it came from swerves KM ninety one OG. But you know,
I don't think Deadhead was around when that thing was selected.
So I think it's it's safe to say.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
It's not his. Oh man, that was one of the
questions I was going to ask you because that was
one of the ones in the comments from a different person. Actually,
that's a good one.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Day Wrecker is one of my favorite. It grows like
football shaped buds. It's not blown out bracts like sour Uh.
It looks more like the nuts structure of KEM ninety one,
but on a much bigger cola. It smells a lot
like KEM ninety one, but you can still smell O
G Cushing. It. It's fire, it's it's strong, it's it's
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like d strong.
Speaker 6 (13:14):
So yeah, Donnie uh Dnali sent me a bunch of
old packs of like seeds he collected which were like
cereal strains like fruity Pebble's og and tricks and other
stuff like that that he's had, and uh he sent
me a bunch of that ship and those those are
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flintstone F two's And at the time I had another
plan to uh let a mail rip on everything, but
it just didn't work out, Like we were talking about earlier.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
Sometimes it just doesn't work. The tricks, dude, the one.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
The type of weed that that ship was putting off.
I feel like an old, older dude would probably enjoy
because like the structure of that bud was nice, but
they were giants or was not the nicest. But the
thing I liked about him was, uh yeah, just the
turps on him, dude, that kind of serious, cereal kind
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of I only grew two females, bro so.
Speaker 5 (14:17):
And you know, you know what it was? Do what
you know what it is?
Speaker 3 (14:22):
No?
Speaker 5 (14:22):
Is it Kim dog and something?
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Isn't it Columbian Gold Kim Dog D?
Speaker 5 (14:26):
So it was.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
It was when I first popped those it it. I
flowered him as a ceiling like that big and it
was just ship that I was gonna throw in. I
was like, Columbian Gold whatever, fucking right. You know, I've
already had Kim D by that point, and I was like,
I don't really like him D that much, but it was,
you know, and yeah, those things got to be about
eight feet tall and like a big candle like shape. Yeah,
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holy shit, this is ship is probably legit. And when I
flowered like fourteen or fifteen weeks.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
I gotta say I didn't do it justice though. Man.
Speaker 6 (14:57):
We talked about this a while back that was when
I the flintstone pollination, I just overpollinated. So just runs
where happening, you know, I just your buds are fucked everything.
I mean I got seed from it, which was cool,
but there wasn't really a whole lot to uh smoke obviously,
and then I feel like, dude, you know this like
when you see but it's totally different from I think
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it's a lot different from obviously.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
When you run it. Uh it's out seeds. I don't know,
you get kind of but.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Well question keep him up and let me finish.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
Up, Donnie. So the uh.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
From what Danali told me was the uh fruity pebbles
to the tower bubble bubb bubble, I think it was.
I think I believe it is. Those weren't even like
for ment to be anything. There's something for me. I
actually made them for the Nali, thinking like they're old seeds,
and I thought like, man, I'll make him some f
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three's of them. So I was gonna go send him
some back, but he's like, man, I'm I don't even
know if I'm gonna be growing anymore. So I just
kind of uh had a bunch of extra seeds, so
I sent them to Matt. So it's not like any
serious anything serious. But the females that came out of that, yeah,
I mean they were just real dense snugs, kind of
had that like tricksy cereal fruity pebbles thing going on.
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Like I said, that run probably wouldn't have been I
don't know, bro, I kept a bunch of those cuts,
but to rerun, I just I fuck that run up. Yeah,
I'll be honest, I don't know if it's a good
good to even like talk about it really because it's
not like an accurate uh, it's not very accurate information
on it, being that fucking run up.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
It's a data point nonetheless.
Speaker 6 (16:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but you know, you get those runs
where you're like yamn, like you just you could go
run them another two three weeks to finish them out,
especially if they're seeded, but you're like, fuck it, I'll
just take the seed. Man called a loss or somewhat
of a loss.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
I guess.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Yeah. So t Man asked if he was he was
asking about if he breads and BX one seeds, and
I think he means it by inbreeding. He took them
to F two b X one, what would they be
and someone answered F one, But F one F one
is a two p ones, and that's usually two inbred
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cultivars crossed together. So I like what I did when
I was trying to figure this kind of thing out
in the codex, when I was trying to properly label moms,
I called it a polyhybrid F one, like a PHF one,
just to denote the difference between something that's a true
F one, because we're really getting that time where science
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has terms and we have bro science terms, and we
really need to try to marry the two. So science
takes what we have and the information we have seriously
and can understand what we're saying as opposed to just
trying to take F one and they think we're talking
about two inbread lines that are both p ones. So yeah,
I usually say poly hybrid F one when you get
to something like that, or like in a b X
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one type situation, you're still inbreeding. In cross works pretty
well because it's in crossing in the same line between
two different females or a male and a different female,
but it's in the same line, So yeah, it's not
quite a lot. You can't call it an ibl unless
it's achieving uniformity in some traits, but uh an in
cross is proper.
Speaker 6 (18:24):
Yeah, yeah, I forgot too, Donnie.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
The reason I selected that.
Speaker 6 (18:30):
Particular male for that cross was because it was the
first time I ever seen a male that was like
maroon purple stock all the way up and down, and
it was a real lanky one, and that's why I
picked that one. But I wanted to jump to Daryl close.
He says, can an environment change your turpening profile? Of
course it can. FA same cut and we saw this
when we all met up recently.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
I think it was a sweet pea cut from local.
Speaker 6 (18:54):
Of course it was a different gross style as well,
but the way it express was totally different.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
Dude.
Speaker 6 (19:01):
I mean, the nugs look similar and stuff, but the
actual light, the flavor, and the smells were totally different. Actually,
it's kind of while Matt could probably speak on that.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
More on an environment environmental expression, that's what we refer
to as a phenotype. What you're seeing the traits a
single trait influenced by environment and genes leading to that.
So like people, a lot of times we'll talk about
like a single cut like this, is that phenotype of
that string that's not necessarily correct use of it. It
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would be like that phenotype of the blueberry scent and
that phenotype of those leaf that leaf traits are on
this plant, you know, in this expression of this line
is a much better way. So that's why I use
expression instead of phenotype. Yeah, yeah, I do have an
answer for the person who asked about James Loud, and
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this is all I'm gonna share on it. Here you
go go, I'll find this and you'll find mine. James
Loud is a shithead.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
This ended up wrapping up ninety people and is a
paperwork on all James Loud. Anyway, that's all I'm gonna
answer on that. He's not a breeder. He's one of
the biggest shitheads on earth that can't speak breeding. And
it's like each each show we have to answer questions
about either Todd McCormick or him, and there are two
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people like they do such good infiltration of new growers
getting their seeds because that's the only people who will
buy their seeds, because anybody's been around long enough knows
how bad people they are. So I'll leave it at that.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
But up Cody, I.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Know I'm gonna I'm just gonna point to this video from.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
Now on there you go.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Yeah, just from now on. I want to keep people safe,
So I want to answer it if it's a genuine question,
because like sometimes people just come in here to control
and see the.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
Well, that's part of our job, man.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
You know, that's the Internet and the I guess, the
hobby or whatever you want to call it, the industry,
the all. It's just flooded with bad information, dude. And
I think there's so many new people out there that
are trying to learn, but it is hard to navigate.
I mean we've talked about this with white labels and
stuff before. Like the first thing your average dude, it's
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tennis or girl, I guess it's twenty thirty years old,
that knows nothing about pot, that wants to get into it,
that doesn't have the background. They google it, bro, and
the first thing that pops up is you know, well,
I ain't gonna say their websites, but you know, yeah, yeah, white.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Label, yeah like that. Or they watched these you know
shows who have you know, people who claim claim to
be experts and all that stuff, and then they're like,
go buy Barney's farm. It's the best.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
Yeah, right, Like fuck, it's it's challenging for the new girler,
that's for sure, especially like you said, you get tapped
into one little video bro and the way you tube
birds now with the siloinge of content, Dude, you're basically
clearly going to get shown their shit and people that
they like and similar shit. But it might not show like,
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for example, match they're the this channel or something for example,
it's weird like that.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
We had an example earlier. I was talking to Pinzer
about it. I'm not going to say that the guy's names.
I don't want to throw him under the bus, but
but you know, I have my friend Troy's channel and
I'm always in there hanging out stuff and watching, and
people often bring this guy up from Australia and they're like, yeah,
he's legit, he's got blah blah blah, this and that,
and so I was like, huh, I don't know this guy.
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I've never heard his name before. And they're like, yeah,
he wrote a book blah blah blah. And that's like
they're a frame of reference on why he's legit because
he wrote a book. So I finally went and looked
at what he's working with. It's like OGKB two point one,
cross the creams, scrapers or oreos and just normal bullshit,
you know, like it's a dime a dozen and he's
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doing it in Australia, so he wouldn't even be able
to know if what he has his own or any
stuff because he couldn't experience it. And then I went
looked at his book that looks like the cover was
made an MS paint and it's just one of those
things where it's like, oh fuck it really it really
does take like people realizing like just because someone can
self publish a book on Amazon like print to order.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Just don't just do your research.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Don't assume because the guy's fucking sixty that he is legit.
Because this guy looks like he's been growing for it
all of you know, a few years. It's all new stuff.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
So yeah, well, the people get locked into I think
we're in that time where it's like people will just
tune into somebody because they like him as a person
or their character or whatever it is, and you know
it's not really You've got to always try to keep
an open mind, and especially like we talk about all
the time, dude, I don't think there's anybody on the
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planet that knows everything. There's a very few maybe, But
it's like Screwson and I talk about this on the
other show.
Speaker 5 (23:58):
It's like, man, learn it. I learned shit every day.
Speaker 6 (24:01):
And I think that it's important to keep an open mind,
especially if you're trying to improve your growing and if
you care about history and all this stuff, genetics and stuff.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
You need to keep open.
Speaker 6 (24:12):
In mind and try to explore different groups and not
stick to just one guy on.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
A totem pole. I feel like, you know, just kind
of experience it.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Yeah, yeah, I just it blows my mind to see
what people like. In their mind. They're like, oh, that
guy must be legit. He's got a book, even though
it looks like it's drawn by a kid MS paint
and it's just all new stuff. But people also, like
I've noticed, when they come into cannabis and they see
the seeds out there, they assume if they see it,
then those seeds must be old, like OGKB two point
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one not old, oreos not old. But if it's older
than their first walk into cannabis, they don't have that
frame of reference to note that this stuff isn't old.
It's not really shit, right, A long running breaders would
fuck with for their life.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
Another thing too, Man, you know you're gonna you're gonna
at a certain point. At what point do you know
that generation that's ten twenty years behind us. Uh, you know,
they're they're gonna be nostalgic about certain strains.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
Right.
Speaker 6 (25:12):
So it's like if they, like you said, if they
never experienced these legacy cuts or these other things and uh,
you know wreck or modern stuff's how they know it's
it's it is gonna be. They're not gonna even be
searching that out probably right, Yeah, I mean it's a.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
Certain point where it's lost. But I don't know it.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Comes from both as You're right, because even from the
generation like two generations before us, they fantasize about a
lot of these older strains because it was when they
were young, didn't have much tolerance, and they're looking for that.
And then the newer ones have no experience on what's
old or not and they a asshole that came in
(25:51):
right here and that it says they have Colombian golden
it must never have been lost, or I should be
saying in.
Speaker 6 (25:57):
That equatorials I'm growing peratorials in all I know they're
going to express the same Matt tell me.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
There now, I mean remember that that can I can't
remember his name, shit fish, hippie something. Anyway, he wanted
to grow some Afghanis and stuff, and it was kind
of trying to explain to him. I know that that
sounds great, that sounds like a great idea, but these
things have been cross pollinated with modern cultivars since the nineties,
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so trying to get like real legit Afghanis that haven't
been crossed a bunch of DNA gear. It's not the
right era to be buying it. You need to be
looking at someone's collection who was collecting long before you
came around. And people get fucking mad. They get yeah.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
You know, yeah, that's the thing.
Speaker 6 (26:42):
It is chill, bro and this ship there's so many egos, man, Yeah,
I don't know, it's so weird.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Some guys, Freeze Split is like the only normal dude
who grows like land right stuff exclusively.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Now there's must have funk. There's a lot of good guys,
but in our group, yeah, Freeze for sure.
Speaker 6 (27:00):
Sure, dude, I have you guys messed with in the
White Buffalo Ship yet.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
No, I haven't, but I know the guys really well.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
Are they cool?
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Yeah, yes, very very very cool guys there. They're like
us from but from Canada, you know.
Speaker 6 (27:14):
Yeah, they're real nice and emails bro, and uh yeah,
I think it was George. He was posting pictures of
his groves of some of their Irene crosses. Dude, and
uh there it sucks because like as soon as I
found out about them, they were like shutting their ship down.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
They opened it.
Speaker 6 (27:28):
Back up for like a month not too long ago,
but I ended up buying a bunch of their some
of they're older or some of their seeds, and I
just I can't. I don't want to try to running
them up here in Michigan's but I might try and
side sometime soon. But I got a bunch of those
I need to run them. I just didn't know if
you guys had running out any of that stuff.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
No, I have the Roberts Creek Congos one from them, Yeah,
I got that. But yeah, no, dude, I've had him
on the show a long time ago, long long time ago.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Yeah, They're they're great dudes, great dudes really really like
they're there's cootone up there, and then those are like
mostly who I go to out of the Canadian guys
that really know their ship, that know the history of
Canadian stuff, and I could ask them about something. And
it was a lot of guys surrounding Breeder Steve and
Reeferman and that were doing the work before them.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
Yeah. I don't know anything about that ship.
Speaker 6 (28:20):
I just ordered what I thought sounded interested interesting to me.
I forget what They're all were like the Congolese and
I think the band aid.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
Haze and.
Speaker 6 (28:31):
I don't know, I'd like ten or twelve of them.
I don't really know, but I just picked him up.
They were doing a sale, bro, and it just like
I said, they were shutting down.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
I was like, fuck, some dude, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Good ship. What would you say? Has the burnt rubber
stuff in my would you? Would you say the blue sour?
We're almost out of them too.
Speaker 6 (28:51):
It's hard for me to say, Matt, because I haven't
grown all of all the more modern y stuff, you know,
that kind of stuff like the Jesus Hybrids and all
that show.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Oh yeah, there's the the sour dieselesels. I wouldn't go
to Diesel itself. For burnt rubber because it's more like,
like I said, we've always said buttery skunk. I think,
Yeah is the one who like pointed that out, and
we're trying to describe diesel other than skunky because it's skunky.
But it's like I don't like a savory skunk.
Speaker 6 (29:18):
Yeah, I would say probably out of the stuff I grew.
A lot of stuff I grew was more blueberry leaning
and expressions of different things acrosses.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
But the blue sour dude.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
Yeah, and it's I mean, I like you if you
can pop a pack of rags Bro and get that
the females without you know nothing, I don't know, I.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
Think that's pretty valuable and cool. I mean I thought
it was cool. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
And then there's the blue record, the day Wrecker Blue
Bonnett that will catch you there too, pretty close.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
I know.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
There's been other questions, which you got screw anything.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Yes, I have. I pulled some questions.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
That's good ones.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
So from mister in between, you say anything that has
skunk one in it makes you feel grow. Yeah, So
why are you obsessed with super skunk? Does it not
affect you the same way?
Speaker 3 (30:08):
It does not. It's one of the few one of
the only things with Skunk one in it that is
supposed to be a one, like the first generation cross
with Skunk one in it, that absolutely does not affect
me like the rest of skunked one. It's weird. Diesel
is one of my favorite things to smoke ever, and
I can smoke sour, I can smoke all kinds of
(30:30):
anything with super Skunk in it. For whatever reason, is
the only stuff that I enjoy with Skunk one. Green
Crack it is not that potent, but it will spin
me out like a speedy like most people get hit
by speedy hazes. Like it's just it sucks.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
I get a weird head feeling from the Wet Dream
the green Crack by Blue Dream. Yeah it's and not
like that. It's potent, but it just fucking puts me
in a weird ass headspace.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Yeah, so Skunk one has a history of doing that
to people, just like people don't like it.
Speaker 6 (31:07):
Dude, I'm high screwing about the harvest all those Blue
Dream crosses here in like a week or so, maybe
another Oh yeah, I wish was well though for the contest,
the little bet oh and I think the other one
ended up being like Angelica or something. I'm not familiar
with that one. It's one of pox or goat farms.
(31:31):
Uh some maybe across the something. I forget what it
was anyways, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Oh is it that that angel goo thing that he
just just started breaking back out?
Speaker 5 (31:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (31:43):
Something one of those one of those. Uh has it
any but anyways, that those are all looking good. And
then I got uh some CSI crosses and stuff in there,
a few other things, some h and L's things in there,
hype for that bro.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
That brings up a question, mad Y, Let's do it.
Betsy right. Betsy was a sister to bull Rid correct
correct Okay, yeah, okay, that was just that was something
in Chuck talked about earlier.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Yeah, yeah, it's supposed to be Bullriter's sister, and bull
Writer was a clone brought down from Fresno. There was
a the story goes it was a black dude who
was a bull Rid up there, like a rosta dude,
and these guys you know, met him, were smoking weed
with him outside this rodeo type situation, and yeah, that's
(32:33):
where the two clones came. Brote back mountain, broke back
mountain dude.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
That's pretty cool though to think like a fucking cowboy,
a black cowboy. Yes, being like a grower and not
just like oh I just fucking you know, throw my
bag seats at my backyard and whatever happens happens type
of grower. But like this motherfucker's keeping clones and all that.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
What would you guys say about this question. I'll let
you guys answer this because I want to see how
you guys answered. I've been using sulfur directly into my soil,
and what's the highest percentages I can use to make
that plant express GMO terps?
Speaker 5 (33:14):
I think real question, like, well, I mean.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
What are they are you talking about like just using
fucking you know, microfile disperse and just watering it in,
or if you're talking about using gypsum.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Oh wait, yeah, maybe gypsum too. I don't know, but
like you're not gonna if the plant it's not like
a GMO plant in the first place, then it's not
gonna express GMO terps.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Yeah, that was the question, was like adding it to
make a smell it.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Man, it's a type plant in the first place, and
they just want.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
To get it to be stinky.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
Just feed it, right, yeah, just grow it.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Well, if it's a GMO hybrid dominant for GMO. Grow
it well and you'll get GMO terps plenty. Yeah, if
you can, can it accentuate the already existing profile a
little bit. But it's not like going to turn it
up to a tens. Not gonna make you go from
zero point seven turps to three percent or.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
From one to another. You know, like it's not gonna
completely make it express a different smell. Yeah, just focus
on growing the plants well, you know, like that's the
drop down easy method. It's just fucking make it, make
it done right.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (34:43):
People think I'm crazy, bro, but I add milk everything. Brow.
Speaker 6 (34:47):
I drink a gallon of milk every day. Shout out
to the calcium Jesus.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Yeah that's titty milk too, right, pure human milk, fam Yeah,
pure human titty milk. That's the stuff cock strong.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
I mean, I don't even work out look at it.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Yeah. Yeah. But the other one's all tiny. That's from
beating off fellas carrying one.
Speaker 6 (35:07):
It's from carrying five one five gallon book and I
got a real jacked right arm, but my arms bean
like a beanslee.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Listen to It's from drinking off probably here's long John. Yeah,
what else you guys.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Screw Let's see here. Okay, this is from Benji Bowser.
I'm pretty sure Silver Hays has the silver pearl in it, right.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Yes, the original Silver Hayes, not super Silver Haze. Chuckie's gone, just.
Speaker 5 (35:45):
Kidd, We're in legal state. Now, we're good, right now.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Yeah, you're good.
Speaker 5 (35:49):
Over there, We're good.
Speaker 6 (35:50):
We don't have to run no more.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
This is a good one that might crack open to
a longer conversation.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Sure you're going to is good wall.
Speaker 5 (36:01):
When you make that into the short bro this tag
off running. He's got a gun anyway, go ahead, dude.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
From mister in between, what is really NL two? Almost
everything I've read says Afi by Hindu, But body has
talked about isolating the tie in Afghan components, and Neville
talks a tiny bit about the sativa component in NL
two in some catalog descriptions.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
So this is gonna be a little bit, is going
to be a longer answer. So there was NL two
from the Northern Light Crew. So we have NL one
through five. The first one, no, it was actually NL
one through twelve, the first one being pure Afghan. The
second one supposed to be pretty close to pure afghan
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third one, and as you get to twelve then you're
doing like hybrids with different like long flowering narrow leaf stuff.
So the five was when they've crossed it to I
believe Hawaiian. I don't know which one the tie is,
but that's supposed to be what according to the NL guys,
what NL one through twelve went meant. And number two
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was supposed to be pretty much pure Afghanic. That's according
to them, But I've seen in my experience how inconsistent
that the people from that crew are with that said,
if Neville saw some narrow leaf expression in NL two
when he got it, I would take Nevill's like eye
on that kind of stuff. He was really experienced. He
(37:43):
knew his shit better than anyone else at that time.
But Neville also made different versions of the NL stuff
and gave his own numbers to his versions of NL
stuff two and we don't know which ones. We know
for sure that he had his own NL one. We
don't know for sure that he had his own NL two, five, ten, like,
(38:04):
we don't know really how far he extended his own
selections two of each one or or like hybridized NL
two to something else and it became his NL two. Yeah,
that's a tough question. So NL two is supposed to
be what Hindukush is. A lot of people say, you know,
that's Bubba. I would probably guess Bubba is an NL
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one like that pure afghan because there's not other shit
in like a Bubba type. When we say bubba type.
There's also og in bubba cush. But the bubba, the
expression of Bubba that is the short squad plant that's
like earthy coffee, is what you would see in old
NL one. Dude, not so brains would say NL two,
(38:47):
but he was going off of what Nevill wrote and
not officians at all.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
So yeah, speaking of Bubba, it's out here getting a
fucking bad name. Like it's turned into uh, people use
it like derogatory. Now, Oh, Bubba's is coming in for
fucking you know, seven hundred pounds and shit like that.
And like it's crazy because I've been like I've been
(39:14):
taking little walkabouts in other can of communities cause see
what's going on, trying you know, yeah, identify certain people
who might be a good fit and stuff, and yeah,
like it's just crazy watching fucking Bubba catch strays left
and fucking right.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
That's that's wild. But you know what, Badly grown bubba
can be very bad booth. You're talking about something that's
already like like well grown bubba can be like have
a little bit of pine sal like gojikush and you
fucking great flavor, sticky, but bubba kind of less so
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can be really earthy coffee and and just depending on
your feed too, like if you're if you're doing a
lot of hydro without without much else, like it might
be that earthy coffee and that's all you get. It's
still pretty good smoke. But then there's bad bubba, which
is anything that's like sort of just not grown, well,
(40:17):
it will go south. And if people are growing actual
bubba really shitty. Yeah, I could be Hella Mizzi fam fam.
Speaker 6 (40:26):
I liked h and l's uh what was it the
I think it was that bubba toms Kim d Appalachia
maybe dude, that was fucking great.
Speaker 5 (40:37):
I really like that.
Speaker 6 (40:38):
I'm running the I just got one, but I'm running
the Bubba cutout right now.
Speaker 5 (40:43):
So I hope, I hope it. I hope it's good.
But I had somebody be like man, that's mids bro.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
It's like, what, No, it's so good. B. That cut
is so good if and and you'll know where you're
at with it too, because if you're hitting that earthy
cut audio people say coffee, you can get like a coffee.
It's not like Folger's coffee. It's just like something on
top of the earthiness that isn't all earth. Yeah, the
more you hit earthy, you're like, Okay, well I could
do better. I could do better than that with it.
Speaker 5 (41:10):
That's when I ran those.
Speaker 6 (41:13):
I think it's called the be Bowmont is what it's
called from h Andel. The they smell, they had that
like kind of not caught like you said, coffee coff smell,
but it almost reminded me of a coffee house smell.
But as they finish up, they almost had like this
a race, you know what, like a pencil racer smells
like when you get one of those like little ones
at school, little square ones are like just smell like.
Speaker 5 (41:35):
A pencil eraser.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
Bro.
Speaker 5 (41:37):
But it kind of smelled like that, bro when they
were done.
Speaker 6 (41:39):
But I mean, excellent, So I'm excited to run the cut,
the Bubba cut, dude, It's dream come true.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
One thing I wanted to get in before the next
question is so the rev our buddy, the Rev from
Kingdom Organic Seeds, he's having trouble getting his actual Kingdom
Organic Seeds dot com site and they've him and his
partner that they've had some erect, incorrect, incilable differences. So
if there's any of you, this is our good friend
(42:10):
and like I have my own site and he's not
very tech savvy, so I was going to teach him
how to set up a word for us and do
a lot of stuff, and you'd have to run the
back end and at ain't it fam So WI, if
any of you are good at web development and want
to ship seeds do all that kind of stuff, contact
(42:30):
the Rev. I need to get his email addressed to
say contact me, hit me up, get in the discord,
let us know. And I'm not just gonna send anyone
at him, because that's how we ended up in this situation,
or he ended up. You know, like you trust someone
a little bit, but hopefully it's someone I know that
I know is good with tech and you can actually
(42:51):
make decent money doing it. And yeah, the Rev is
one of the good dudes that has a lot of
good old stuff that isn't all brand new shit mixed
into it. He's some of the best of us, so
definitely hit him up.
Speaker 6 (43:08):
Yeah, Wayne h is asking about the peaberry. He says
he's having trouble ordering to your side because I'm in Louisville.
You shouldn't, fam I was out not too far out
Louisville for.
Speaker 5 (43:18):
A while and I was ordering all the time.
Speaker 6 (43:21):
Yeah, you know, if you're if it's sometimes stuff get
lost in the email and stuff.
Speaker 5 (43:26):
So maybe if you've already.
Speaker 6 (43:27):
Ordered or something, make sure you reach out to Matt
through the email or join the discord fan during the discord.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
It's yeah, it's much easier to get a hold of
me there. So someone signed up my emails and more
than someone like I have a lot of people who
don't like me. I know, hard to believe. I'm such
a beautiful, wonderful, likable person that says such nice things,
but people sign me up to, you know, every email
subscription on Earth just to be dicks. So I like
(43:54):
trying to find an email. If I don't have your
email addressing, don't know you're emailing me is almost impossible.
But I've kept that email dressed so long, so I
get emails there, so trying to do another one, and
it's just not It's not been effective. So find us.
Find us in the discord. It is the easiest way
to get a hold of me.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
And the Peaberry is fucking dank and it comes out like, dude,
I when I ran it, that was when the hurricane
came through and I lost power for a fucking week.
That was the only thing that was I mean, I
could have turned around and sold it, no fucking issue,
you know, like it came out perfectly fine. Yeah, only
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thing in the garden that was that, and the uh
two two of the skylines still came out like unfhazed
from all the heat and the light and all that shit.
But the peaberry actually tasted really good still and got
me stoned.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
I highly recommend that line. I almost like it a
little bit better than Blabbah pee Berry because the cat
Bubba is so pretty. I think the cats Bubba is
like supposed to be a maybe a white rhino bubba
from back in the day the Oregon Kid made. There's
a cross to tam with right now, So yeah, it's
it's gorgeous and yeah, it's a good one.
Speaker 6 (45:14):
That's the one I need to run too. I got
a couple of packs with that, pee Berry.
Speaker 5 (45:17):
I just ain't ran it.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
Yeah, yeah, you better.
Speaker 5 (45:21):
I got that.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
It came out easy, dude. Like it's it's like, uh,
it's like when you'd run fucking modern stuff and you're like, damn,
I didn't do anything, you know, and it just fucking
comes out perfect, super bullet proof.
Speaker 3 (45:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (45:34):
Yeah, that's the ones you like, bro, easy grows man.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
Those are the ones you got to throw away in
just in case.
Speaker 6 (45:43):
Dude, especially when you got a lot of them, man,
and ship's going to ship.
Speaker 5 (45:47):
And you got those one couple ones you wish you do?
What a ram more of a pack of man, dude.
Speaker 6 (45:53):
Anyways, Yeah, I'm daydreaming over here, jacking it just below
off camera, guys.
Speaker 3 (46:00):
Off camera, it's gonna fly off camera, yeah, Pearly robes.
Speaker 6 (46:05):
Oh yeah, So what, Matt, what you got going on outside?
Did you get it going finally?
Speaker 3 (46:10):
Yeah? Yeah, So I may have overestimated my ability to
grow outdoors, guys.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
I suck.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
I suck outdoors. I was trying to amend shit with
like instead of like mixing it with the medium, I
was thinking I'm just amend it because I'm fucking lazy.
I'm like, I'll just watered on top. Fuck all that
amending star with shovels and like measuring cubic feet and
I have not. This is that sounds not fun to
me at all. I'm not a laborer as it were.
(46:45):
It sounds horrible to me. So and I know there's
stuff on the back of the bags, but you know
how that goes reading. I'm not I got to continue
my glasses with me? What have you? Right? So I
may have burnt up a lot and I've been waiting
just for stuff trick cover a bit. Some may not have,
and so I pop in a lot more again the
same ship, because yeah, outdoors not for me. I'm back.
(47:09):
I'm back on pro mix and bottles.
Speaker 5 (47:11):
Dude, there you go.
Speaker 6 (47:12):
You go easier on a matt. Give them a few
weeks you goddamn.
Speaker 3 (47:17):
Yeah, no, some of them were a few weeks old,
but they Yeah, it just was not It's not I
put a lot in there of different things on the top.
I was just like, Okay, I don't know how much
I'm supposed to put in. A spoonful sounds nice on
top of each thing and they're in.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
You also live in like a desert health scape.
Speaker 5 (47:38):
Yeah yeah, that's the.
Speaker 3 (47:41):
Yeah, trying to feed and the heat is stupid. But yeah, no,
I I just went back to doing what I normally
do and now everything's all like recovering and all nice,
and I just I was like thinking, man, this would
be easier than bottles. I can just water and that's it.
And that's not really how it works.
Speaker 5 (47:56):
That's what well I was telling you off off camera.
Speaker 6 (48:00):
Potted up a bunch of shit and I got some
autos that are running outdoors, and uh uh. I always
will do like a layer of pro mix just on
top of my you know, fox farm and my mid
fox farm, just.
Speaker 5 (48:12):
So it gives it enough time to you know, really
do what it needs to do.
Speaker 6 (48:15):
But yeah, yeah, you can burn them up pretty quick,
especially autos.
Speaker 5 (48:19):
Man, you suck them up real fast.
Speaker 3 (48:21):
Yeah, pieces of ship, pieces of shit outous. I don't
got none those my fucking backyard.
Speaker 5 (48:26):
You ain't gay like me, though, man? No?
Speaker 3 (48:30):
Yeah, yeah, that was that was a you know like
and it goes to show you like, even though I'm
a I have been doing this a long time, but
I'm not experienced it outdoor. I haven't done that since well,
I mean I did it each year, but the last
two years it's been horrible shits on twigs and I
was just making seeds with it like it was bad.
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It was not pretty. Shit. I wasn't taking pictures of
because I'm like, this is this is not good. This
is trash in one hundred and fourteen degree weather is
what it is. Even Yeah, I was taking it serious
this time, and then I was just like, maybe I'm
not gonna take it so seriously.
Speaker 5 (49:04):
What's your humidity like out there? What are you in?
Like thirties forties on average? Or what? Zero?
Speaker 3 (49:09):
No? Like ten twenty for real? Driddle dude, it's it's
dry as fuck.
Speaker 6 (49:15):
Yeah, you need humidifiers and huh outdoors No, I mean
just indoors in general.
Speaker 3 (49:20):
No indoors indoors because I don't know why, but yeah,
we use the humidifiers indoors. But I'm always watering, and
it's in if it's in a smaller space and I'm watering.
Speaker 5 (49:29):
There's probably like me though, you're packing them in.
Speaker 3 (49:31):
Yeah, that's right. Yes, two plants in.
Speaker 5 (49:35):
A tent or four in a four by four versus.
Speaker 3 (49:38):
You know, sixty on twenty seven stacked in different sizes.
Speaker 6 (49:43):
Yeah, I should why you shouldn't even have to boo
spray and so for if your garden's healthy, okay, if.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
You've got healthy plants, you'll be fine.
Speaker 6 (49:53):
I grow that bunkman style fam where they're laying on
top of each other.
Speaker 3 (49:57):
Yeah no, no really, there's little little thing stacked in
big pucks and getting them all in different sizes. Given,
can it be my ass? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (50:06):
Yeah, it's a lot.
Speaker 6 (50:08):
Yeah, some ferments, dude, Like back at home, dude, they
it was you had never had problems.
Speaker 5 (50:13):
But I wasn't a man like that either, So who knows?
Speaker 3 (50:18):
There you go, bro, A lot of boys there down,
I'm gonna be an outdoor bottle boy. How about that?
Speaker 5 (50:25):
A lot of boys?
Speaker 6 (50:26):
Hey, it's easy man. You know, Like when I move,
I'm gonna get into some organics. I'm gonna need y'all's help.
Not you guys, but not me.
Speaker 3 (50:34):
You don't ask me.
Speaker 6 (50:35):
I'm talking to the Chat's Crewson's Organic.
Speaker 3 (50:39):
The Giants is really good with that ship too, and
obviously buck everyone like that.
Speaker 6 (50:44):
I got a bunch of horse maneuver lined up, can
get for free. Fam they loaded and everything.
Speaker 3 (50:53):
Are You're already talking about work, like working lifting your arms.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
But it's like not having to work later. Well not really,
but it comes out pretty all right.
Speaker 5 (51:04):
So I don't Matt.
Speaker 6 (51:06):
I sat around playing computer games for like my first
twenty five years selling dope, so sitting on my ass
doing nothing. So uh, getting out here and staying in shape,
you know, I love it, dude. It keeps me Jack,
He's I make little like a beast, Matt. When I
get on top of my wife late at night, there
ain't no complaints the next day, you.
Speaker 3 (51:25):
Know, telling me I already know this stuff I watch
watch now.
Speaker 6 (51:30):
I'm just I'm having fun, guys. Yeah, I mean I
do like to I just like to stay in shape.
And I don't really work out on nothing so like garden.
Speaker 5 (51:38):
And yeah, man, excuse me. I got one thing.
Speaker 2 (51:41):
Work is the original working out.
Speaker 5 (51:44):
I like it. See mold grass for years, Matt, So
I like it. I like being like a little peak.
Speaker 3 (51:49):
Yeah out here. No, it's it's one hundred you know
five plus. Ain't nobody like being out You're cooking, You're
you're cooking.
Speaker 5 (51:58):
Yeah yeah, if you think.
Speaker 3 (52:00):
Mexican, but I'm actually white. I'm just kind of brown
because I get cooked.
Speaker 5 (52:05):
I don't know what the fuck I am.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
Yeah, I got a I got a good question here
in chat. Let's go all right from Alpha Mega. Hi, guys,
do you have any info on blueberry semi auto traits
and the possibilities of breeding with it, which is something
that Way actually talked about recently in a in the server.
Speaker 3 (52:31):
Yeah, I know there was a blueberry cut that was
very very semi auto. When I say that, like, it's
much closer to auto than semi auto because it stayed
in week three of flour for its eternity of it's life,
and you like, if you wanted to take cuts of it,
you could take cuts of it and it'll it'll, you know,
mold up in the dome. But you could take cuts
(52:54):
of it. Usually I'd rip off the bud parts and
just leave a little bit and to grow up. But
I don't know if that was a or not. I've
worked with a lot of blueberry, a lot of but
it was all mostly pure blueberry that I'm talking about,
or hybrids of pure blueberry, not to any auto things.
There was no semi auto traits in blueberry that I
ever saw, but I know there are semi auto blueberries
(53:18):
like that thing that exist. It's great, like if you're
an outdoor grower and you want to get a jump
on the season, because that thing will already be at
week three by the time, you know, everything else is
barely starting to flower, and that means it finishes faster.
And if it's blueberry, it's already going to be, you know,
like an eight week or indoor. Anyways, I don't know
outdoor from blueberry. You're gonna find out, like for pure blueberry. Yeah,
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I don't know much more to say than that.
Speaker 5 (53:45):
Uh yeah, I mean the blueberry anything I ran out there,
they weren't semi auto. They were full autos. The ones
that running.
Speaker 6 (53:54):
Out from I think it was fast bloods or something
I had from a long time ago.
Speaker 5 (54:00):
Yeah, can you hear me? Yeah, oh yeah, I ran
those out last year outside. Uh.
Speaker 6 (54:07):
And that's why I fuck with those two is just
so I can run them outside and anyways that Uh,
I had some that came out a lot like your
blueberry I X. I ran them at the same time
and actually hit uh some of the blueberry i X
male pollen to some of those blueberry autos. I will say,
like they expressed like pretty wide widely.
Speaker 5 (54:27):
I mean I had some that.
Speaker 6 (54:28):
Were real short, I had some that were tall, I
had some that were green, I had some that were
dark purple. Uh, some that smelled blueberry, some that didn't.
So that being said, uh, that's really all I got
for you.
Speaker 5 (54:41):
I don't know. I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (54:45):
I think I should cool as fuck, though I like
I like the blueberry churchs.
Speaker 3 (54:49):
Yeah, I don't. Semi auto stuff is just more of
a pain in the ass if you're indoor for me, like,
it just was eternally in flower and I'm looking at it, like,
what the fuck am I going to do with you?
Old Betsy's the same, but it was slightly less so
than this blueberry. Yeah, it's it's the one that it
came from a guy named Dean Beans Dean's Beans up
(55:10):
in Alaska, but ak Bean Brains got it from him,
took credit for it, called the old pre dj short
Alaskan blueberry, which it was not. That thing was something else.
I mean, it did have slightly very light blueberry muffin turfs,
so it was enjoyable in that way because it was
at least in a blue very direction. But god damn,
I didn't know what to do with that thing, And
I didn't do anything with it in the end because
(55:31):
it's trash.
Speaker 5 (55:35):
Yeah, I mean, I imagine, does he live up north
or is that just something he's interested in fucking west.
Speaker 6 (55:41):
I don't know, a lot of guys want to mess
with those semiato's or whatever up north, you know, just
because they finishing time and stuff.
Speaker 3 (55:49):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know. That's it sucks.
Speaker 6 (55:55):
So for me, what's what's going on with your you'urine CSOs?
Speaker 5 (55:59):
A little auto flower thing? Is that y'all gonna? Where
is that at?
Speaker 3 (56:04):
We're still trying to figure out what we're gonna end
up using. But in the first round, we were looking
at specific lines from real seed coat to start, you know,
a land race auto flower, make a new baseline from it.
A lot of those didn't end up being auto flowers,
but there were some really nice hemp stuff in it,
(56:25):
you know, like really beautiful and it was hemp. But yeah, no,
the auto flower came from something else that we're still
trying to run down the.
Speaker 5 (56:37):
Of.
Speaker 3 (56:37):
So I don't want to say what it's called because
like it's a regional name, and I don't think that
region has stuff and people say it does, but it's
like Saddam Hussein wasn't allowing people to be growing weed
and they were killing people over it. So people weren't
taking that risk and they were eradicating everything pretty well
in Iraq. Oh there I go. Yeah, but we provenounce
(56:58):
in this is fucking shady as fuck.
Speaker 6 (57:01):
So yeah, well, I appreciate you saving me a bunch
of time because I was going to do that too,
and look through something I I've been planning it for.
Remember we talked about that, yeah, two years. Yeah, I
mean I got some bunch of those from a quick Yeah.
I just hadn't had the space because you know, when
you're doing that, you're talking about a lot of plans, dude,
(57:23):
to find, especially if you want to start off on
a good foot with good plants.
Speaker 5 (57:28):
I mean, you pop like.
Speaker 6 (57:30):
Five and you get the dinkiest little things and you're
using that debres with is never a good move.
Speaker 5 (57:35):
But yeah, I'm glad you saved me some time.
Speaker 3 (57:38):
Yeah, I mean he said Inga said that, you know,
like each line has a genotype that is full auto
flower in those things, so it probably would have taken
a lot more than we ran. And we're in the
process of trying to get a lot more of some
of those right now. So it's it's in the process
because like some of them were good enough that if
(57:59):
like yeah, if it has an auto flowering trade and
it's see, it's you know all him, but you know
it might be worth just trying to take one trait
from it, which you can do. It just takes a
lot of time and precision breeding worth it.
Speaker 6 (58:14):
I think I don't know a bunch about him, his
personal like him personally, I'm not like I know of
him because I do mess with autos, but I would
love to see an interview with you and no automatics too,
because from what I understand, and there's people probably in
the chat that have better knowledge of this, is he's
just not somebody I follow. I do have some of
(58:35):
his stuff, but it's just I've watched an interview with
him and I thought that that he'd make a good
interview for you if he's like a pretty decent guy.
Speaker 5 (58:42):
But he uh.
Speaker 6 (58:43):
I think all of his autos are worked from something
else and then not from lowriders, so maybe that might
be a place to look too. But regardless, just doing
an interview with him, because that's kind of what he
essentially did from what I understand. Don't call me on this, right,
but you about him before? I think he uh Gypsy
was his mentor A lady.
Speaker 3 (59:07):
No, I mean he's kind of a lady.
Speaker 5 (59:09):
No, I heard this was a lady. I don't know.
Speaker 6 (59:12):
I'm reversed on know him, like I said, but uh,
maybe we make that happen, Matt.
Speaker 3 (59:18):
Yeah, yeah, i'd be down. I've heard of know him
for a long time, so that'd be cool.
Speaker 6 (59:22):
Anyway, about Mandalorian genetics before that, I saw that name.
Speaker 5 (59:25):
Yeah, I think his name is Dan or something like that.
Speaker 2 (59:31):
Who is this?
Speaker 3 (59:32):
Don't be advertising, no fucking stunky a cut clone ship
in here, please, I'm not gonna boot you. But there's
there's a.
Speaker 5 (59:41):
Yeah, buy it.
Speaker 3 (59:42):
Don't kill your room, bro.
Speaker 2 (59:45):
Those s ones will give you the exact same thing
in a brand new plant.
Speaker 5 (59:51):
Yeah yeah, yeah, I kept one of my ones.
Speaker 6 (59:55):
Just I'm running. I got two copies of it. I'm
about to flower it again alongside the ninety one and
oh the same yeah, just uh yeah, I don't know,
it's cool.
Speaker 5 (01:00:06):
I like that ship.
Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
Yeah, yeah, I don't. I just don't advise people buying
clones from nurse nurseries that aren't fucking nurseries that don't
test anything to make sure it's not diseased. You know,
I'm putting on quotes so because they like to sue
people and send lawsuits because they're bitches.
Speaker 6 (01:00:25):
I think, yeah, if you're gonna do that shit, guys,
just to enter your own risk, know that, yeah, exactly
may not even be what it is, and then prepare
that to have your whole garden either melted or getting
some bugs. If you're okay with that kind of shit
with me and Screw talked about this all the time.
When you get a cut, you pretty much might as well,
except you probably gonna get thrips or something or something generally,
(01:00:48):
or that's just a possibility. So that's just something you
got to go into it knowing if you're okay with that,
and you got the money or something and you want
to risk it, then go for it.
Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
You know. I just I hate I hate people risking
that because then those people take it, they immediately pass
it or try to sell someone else. It spread throughout
the community, or it's wrong and spread throughout the community.
It's a it's a nuisance. And he knows better than that,
and the old skunk fya would be slapping this skunk
ya not only for doing that, but sending like cease
(01:01:18):
and desist and sanding shit in person, handling with me
in person, scuffya. I don't give a fuck.
Speaker 5 (01:01:25):
It's hard.
Speaker 6 (01:01:26):
You know, it's hard, Matt, because you got there are
younger guys or gals or whatever that do want to
experience these things.
Speaker 5 (01:01:33):
But it is hard.
Speaker 6 (01:01:34):
Like I mean, I could speak from experience coming fa
right the middle of the country in Kentucky, like I
didn't have no friends in this industry or anything or
anything other than you know, the people in my little
town or whatever, and that was where that's not even
like you can't compare it.
Speaker 5 (01:01:48):
It's like it's totally different.
Speaker 6 (01:01:50):
But uh yeah, So like it's hard because you want
to you want to experience these things. You hear these stories,
uh and some of these uh OG's in the game
or whatever that may these things and done these shit,
and like we've talked about before, we put them on
these pedestals sometimes and you know, I think it's challenging
for somebody coming into it that does want to experience
that shit because there's not many options.
Speaker 5 (01:02:11):
So it's like when something like that comes up, they
people are oh.
Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
Yeah, you know, like yeah, sure.
Speaker 6 (01:02:17):
But like screwba sand with the Kim ninety one's, you
can experience Kim ninety one through the s ones pretty
I mean from.
Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
What I'm and I mean it's very true breeding, yes,
like extremely.
Speaker 6 (01:02:29):
Same with the sour dude, I mean you could get
I mean, Matt's sour is not much.
Speaker 5 (01:02:35):
I don't know. I can't really speak on a lot
of shit.
Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
But yeah, I don't know. I mean, like with Kim
ninety one, you're gonna get stuff that's more vigorous than
a thirty year old clone that's an annual meant to
die after a year. You're gonna get a lot more
vigor from the seed lines. And that specific clone is
already inbred and breeds true to itself. So and S
one is like taking that even further into that direction. Yeah,
(01:03:00):
I don't know. I mean, and people have that mindset like, oh,
I'm out here, I'm never gonna be able to get
this plone. But like I look at you guys. You
haven't haven't been in the group for twenty fucking years
or ten years or you know, even six years, five years.
But because you're nice. Legit, dudes, it comes to you.
(01:03:21):
That's just how shit goes, like hang out, chill and dude.
Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
Honestly, it didn't even have to like I got, I got,
you know, like the cut that I came into the
syndicate like super excited about and like, oh shit, it's
still alive. No way, all that shit, Dude, I found
like an improved version of everything I love about it
(01:03:47):
from seed. Yeah, and had had I you know, I
see all the other stuff the same way I've popped
many irene hybrids, Like just running different hybrids with the
same parent, you end up starting to learn about that parent.
Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:04:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (01:04:13):
Ran a lot of those s ones, the TK, the
I Ring, the ninety one, the D a couple other
ones from cs I, and I mean they were all
there was all a plant in those packs or a
couple of packs that was pretty good that I liked.
Speaker 5 (01:04:30):
Some people maybe let down with.
Speaker 6 (01:04:32):
The ninety one s ones, but I think it's just
the way they're grown them, dude. It's like if you
ain't fucking feeding them, ryan, shit, I don't know, like I'm.
Speaker 3 (01:04:39):
Kind of yeah, they would stand no chance with the clone.
Then that thing is finicky it's not nice. It's ugly
as fun you grow it perfect in person, and you're like,
why the fuck did I spend money on this? Why
did I risk my garden on this fucking thing? I mean,
it's it has a place in history. It's cool to
experience it. S ones are better, gonna have better traits
(01:05:03):
and faster. I hate that clone, Like it's not worth
the trash. It's not worth the risk.
Speaker 6 (01:05:11):
You know, I I you know, for anyone that's that's listening,
that wants to know more about them, it's just that,
like you, So I got the Bubbo shore Line ninety one,
uh the d.
Speaker 5 (01:05:22):
And uh my atom forgetting one other one?
Speaker 6 (01:05:25):
Anyways, Okay, so they're all sitting next to each other
and I got my cuts that I've taken from stuff
from the Blue Sour and stuff and some other cuts
and do yeah, like they're sickly ass plants.
Speaker 5 (01:05:39):
Man, they're fucking slow.
Speaker 6 (01:05:42):
Uh not the not the East Coast hour Diesel, but
the a lot of the other ones are fucking slow.
And like you're looking at like most of the cuts
I took last run are like doubling the growth you
know there are. It's crazy how much difference there is
in them. But that being said, it's cool to experience.
Speaker 5 (01:05:58):
But yeah, like Screw was.
Speaker 6 (01:05:59):
Saying, I've collected so many seeds over the last couple
of years that I've been running those every time something
different that like I'm not like still blown away yet
you know, like by some of these cuts as far
as like a growing standpoint, you know, it's kind of like, damn,
I could be fucking growing some something else.
Speaker 7 (01:06:16):
Out that's twice it rocking out, you know, I don't well,
or or a hybrid that has the improved like root structure,
say for ogs, you know, but still expresses O G.
That's the whole point of all of this is to
try and like, oh, hey, this thing is cool, but
these are the downsides to it.
Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
Yeah, let's try and find all those cool things without
the bad I mean fuck yeah, yeah man, it's I mean,
don't get me wrong, it's I'm not I'm I'm super
thankful to experience them.
Speaker 6 (01:06:50):
That's yeah, Like I mean, I'm I'm like you did,
I just get hyped to pop seeds, dude, just like
the unknown.
Speaker 5 (01:06:56):
And we talked about this on the last episode.
Speaker 6 (01:06:59):
Oh, by the way, for anybody that's wondering we recorded
like A two was a two hour and twenty minute
episode me and Screwsta and Appy on a review of
the Afterglow and the h and L five hundred, which
is the Kim Kim ninety one dumbs the Mango Hayes,
and we did a whole review on the ship and
it got.
Speaker 5 (01:07:18):
Deleted at the end of the stream or something happened
with stream dogs. So we had a cool episode talking
about that shit. But I don't know, I just yeah,
so we lost it.
Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
What what's my favorite OG that I flowered recently? I
haven't flowered in OG recently, but I have flowered almost
all the old OG cuts for a very long time
and had a lot of experience with them, and I
mean it's splitting hairs between a lot of them. I'll say,
I don't like call it Lumpa's headband because it's not
fucking headband and it's not lumpas it's Grass Valley o
(01:07:56):
G cut, So I would call I prefer to call
it Grass Valley o G just because Yeah, but that
cut is probably my favorite o G or day Wrecker,
which is a hybrid. But those are my favorite, The
Soul Assassin one, the Loui is really good.
Speaker 5 (01:08:16):
Yeah, yeah, if people want to try those. Do you
got any seeds on your site.
Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
For the sol Assassin one blue bonnets up there the Louis,
I don't. I think that one's almost sold out or
sold out. The resin cuts up there too, and that's fire.
That's that's a very early cut, if not the earliest
crossed the blue bonnet, and that one has really high turps.
(01:08:42):
It tests very high for terps.
Speaker 5 (01:08:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
I made hybrids with the Diabolo o G. I used
it for a long time. It's like a peppery version
of OG. It's a hybrid. It looked exactly like banana OG,
but without the banana turps. It was more peppery.
Speaker 5 (01:08:58):
It was weird.
Speaker 3 (01:08:59):
It's okay, but comparatively it's not at the top or
etting close.
Speaker 6 (01:09:03):
Wayne h ask what about Forum Girl Scout s one?
Speaker 5 (01:09:07):
Are they the goat?
Speaker 3 (01:09:10):
I wouldn't say goat, you know, I mean Forum was
good during its time when it was brand new, and
it was two thousand and nine, ten, twenty eleven, and
you know, it was this novel, new looking thing that
was kind of different. But like the turfs weren't that great.
And it's not like a turpy plant. It's pretty to
look at, but it's very low yielding. I would rather
(01:09:33):
grow O G kush and I wouldn't have ever wasted
my time with any cookie stuff.
Speaker 6 (01:09:37):
Something something about the CS Girl Scout cookie as ones
that I will say is Matt's totally correct on that
on those they were like the most potent therapiest things
in the world.
Speaker 5 (01:09:51):
Well, but I will say is they did purple up
really nice.
Speaker 6 (01:09:53):
Which I know most of you guys don't give a
shit about that. But one something I did want to
say about them was they were super easy to grow.
So like in a two by two with like a
little one hundred hundred and fifty watt light, I mean
you could get a decent little little run.
Speaker 5 (01:10:07):
I mean with very low lighting.
Speaker 6 (01:10:08):
Uh, they still get pretty dense, like the nugs will
still get dense. So but like, yeah, for what they were,
they were cool.
Speaker 3 (01:10:15):
But if someone was gonna like Facebook my butt, if
I didn't grow at cookies, I would probably grow for them.
OGKB one of the two like the original OGKB.
Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
Yeah, I liked your your ogkb b X. Yeah that
you made that was good, Like it was actually potent
and yeah, I mean the better ones had blueberry in it.
Speaker 3 (01:10:41):
Yeah, I agree, but yeah, like I tried with the
b X one, I was like, okay, I'll take this
back and just have a regular form of O GKB.
Bonnet was way more dominant than I ever had predicted
at the time. Someone's asking about bonnet for ice and
water extraction. Everybody's had really good luck with it, So
any of the stuff, it tends to take the resin
profile most of the stuff. Someone else asked about resins cut,
(01:11:06):
what's it like? It has every single turp that every
og cut has in it, and it is They were
testing the blue resin cush was testing between three point
five to something like five percent mercing, which is insane,
absolutely insane, and then had other turps in it. But
five percent of just mercing alone is crazy for any
(01:11:28):
plant to have that much that many turps in it.
So it's special that And when I first got resins cut,
I was like, oh, I grew it, and I was like,
oh my god, this smells like og extracts, Like the
actual plant smelled like extracts of og. It's special.
Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
Yeah, And so I have a question about that actually
is so is that the cut that the irene bag
scene came from or was it from where that cut
came from?
Speaker 3 (01:11:59):
Okay, so the very first irene bag seed that has
nothing to do with the second cut, which is the
Irene cut that goes around now, came from bud of
resins cut that was shipped out to Louisiana. They lost
that cut and then we're like, oh man, we need
(01:12:21):
to find something like this cut. So they got a
Larry o g bag bag Alario G and they're picking
seeds out of that and they don't know what the
contributor to that was, like the resident or the pollen contributor,
So we don't know if the paul contamination was to
make that, but it wasn't just og cush. And that's
what Irene number two, Irene propers is.
Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
Wait, Louisi it's not Atlanta.
Speaker 3 (01:12:44):
Oh Atlanta, see Louisiana. Yeah, Atlanta. Close enough. Someone asked
about what swerve, what cookies? Swerve had to be honest,
he did not have cookies and that was the biggest problem.
And that's why I almost got his ass beat at
a I mean, he's got he's gotten hurt a lot
(01:13:05):
in his life or being a dumb ass, but it
was at some cup event. You could probably still find
the video on YouTube. The cookies guys went up to
him and were flexing on him because he was selling
fake seeds of stuff that wasn't cookies at all, not
even related. And it was when it first came out.
He was pissed that I had released real cookies s
ones and he was mad because he wants to be
(01:13:26):
first to everything back then, and he got mad and
released I don't even know what it was. I don't
know what hybrid it was. It was some kind of
o G hybrid but wasn't even close to cookies. And
so people were spending all this money on his seeds
and getting it and there were nothing cookies. And these
are people on the forums at the time that were
looking at cookies thinking they were going to get that
and got the opposite. Damn yeah that he almost got
(01:13:47):
his ass feed over that.
Speaker 6 (01:13:49):
I will yeah anyway, sorry, I'm trying to get some weed.
Speaker 5 (01:13:57):
Here goes forum.
Speaker 3 (01:14:01):
Cookies causes the super purple genetics and offspring like chop
cookies and girls gone well yeah, Irk gone wild No yeah,
Arkle causes the purple and for them, which then causes
the purple and other stuff.
Speaker 5 (01:14:18):
Yeah, you see that the.
Speaker 3 (01:14:19):
Bottom of the then or the top of the food
chain there, it would be Erkle doing that.
Speaker 6 (01:14:25):
Yeah, somebody's wanting purple in there if they're you know,
wanting that kind of color.
Speaker 5 (01:14:30):
The ak forty seven repos that pollen.
Speaker 6 (01:14:33):
Chuck I hit to that girls Scout cookiees ones the
one I ran those from CSL and just about every
plant that came out of those well came out really nice,
like purple, dark dark color, really nice.
Speaker 3 (01:14:48):
Some of the most beautiful purples on earth come from
something called BlackBerry and BlackBerry probably I know, like you
don't want to I don't want to sound positive about
this because there is some if you injecture about it.
But it's probably a Mendo Purps bag seat, So Mendo purps,
they'll get Mendo purps start there. It's a parental line
(01:15:09):
of purple. There's number one.
Speaker 5 (01:15:13):
Sorry, it's his.
Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
Beard brought rubbing against it giving us it's a yeah,
Meno purpse. There's purple number one, there's purple star. There's
like I said, BlackBerry, black black Russian, which is another BlackBerry,
which is another Meni purpse, probably pakistrany Pakistani t trout cush.
There's all kinds of stuff that makes beautiful purple stuff
(01:15:36):
and you don't have to use any cookies to get there.
Speaker 5 (01:15:39):
That's cool, that's my point.
Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
And and the blue bonnet stuff, it's blueberry. It has
hell of purples in it. You can get some very
nice purples out of it just from using blueberry.
Speaker 5 (01:15:48):
Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 3 (01:15:53):
Most dominant diesel cross would be Diesel Sour Dieseljese less ones.
The blue Persku has a lot of Jesus stuff in
it all throughout it. It's not just blue stuff in there.
Speaker 6 (01:16:07):
And then there's of course there CSI or not CSI,
but H and L's got a bunch of stuff up
on the site too. Or I don't know if you
still have Jesus not diesel, but just of some of
that stuff that you were talking about earlier. But I
forgot to even mention like East Coast Tower diesel crosses
and stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:16:20):
Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 5 (01:16:22):
Don't know if they're in stock still, but.
Speaker 3 (01:16:25):
Most of it's not. Except for the Irene stuff. We
have tons of So don't forget to look at the
Irene stuff. There's tons of that from hind Lonesome it's
just been sitting and Matt Elite.
Speaker 6 (01:16:35):
I can't believe that Matt lead shit's still, dude, there's
so many packs that I want to pick up.
Speaker 5 (01:16:39):
Still, I've been saving up some money.
Speaker 3 (01:16:41):
I tried to tell people. You know, it's like and
you know, Matt's not gonna want to restock because it
ain't nobody buying it anyway, So it's kind of It's wild.
Speaker 6 (01:16:50):
I took the The Resurrection and hit it with one
of the Resurrections Time's Mobile I and I kept. I
got two males that I've got and they look so
much like the Kim They look a lot for some
they're just looking a lot like.
Speaker 5 (01:17:08):
The Kim ninety one stuff.
Speaker 6 (01:17:09):
Yeah, it's crazy, really nice, big the leaves look almost identical.
Speaker 5 (01:17:14):
It's kind of cool. Man. Yeah, that Matt Aleita. It's awesome. People.
It doesn't have fancy colors or ship on the labels
or nothing, but dude, it so worth it, Dude, It's
so worth it.
Speaker 3 (01:17:25):
I think I'm the biggest fan of his, and I've
always been the biggest fan of his stuff. And I'll
tell to this day the Resurrection had the best KM
ninety one representation of anything I've ever had, which it
was one hundred percent true to the terps of KM
ninety one, but like like extracts of it, like something
that would take extracts to be able to smell the
inner smells of KIM ninety one. And I was like, okay,
(01:17:48):
this is why people even kept that cut all those years.
They once, once upon a time it smelled like this.
That makes sense what exists now? I'm like, why the
fuck keep this thirty fucking years?
Speaker 2 (01:18:00):
Yeah, one of those things.
Speaker 6 (01:18:02):
Promethea's Gardening and Cannabis Corner says, do you know anything
about the Stars?
Speaker 5 (01:18:07):
I just got a clone from the trand.
Speaker 3 (01:18:09):
Yeah, the Death Start has been around for a long time.
The Death Star crew made it in Ohio. I don't
know if it's accidental or not. Probably it was Sency
Star East Coast Sour Diesel if I remember correctly. Yeah, yeah,
it's it's It's the best way to describe it is
like horse radish. Smells like horse radish and burnt rubber
(01:18:31):
and very resonant, very resinous. It'd probably be great for extracts,
I would think, because you know, the fucking resin just
falls off of it. I don't like the flavor, but
it smells good.
Speaker 6 (01:18:46):
Yeah, the smell is almost unbeatable in a lot of
ways to me. That that's but high in the flavor. Yeah,
I mean it's all right.
Speaker 3 (01:18:56):
Yeah it's light, but yeah it's not for me. It's
it's second to the sense the sense are wild and
then that's growing it alone. But again, there's there's a
lot of fake desk Star cuts out there because it
was so popular. It was in high times, you know,
like back then there was a lot of fake desks
star popping around.
Speaker 6 (01:19:15):
So I will I will say I don't have the
crew cut of the Death Star or whatever, but I
did get a death Star cut just for just to see.
Speaker 5 (01:19:24):
I don't know, yeah, And I'm always testing now.
Speaker 6 (01:19:26):
I want to know what other people in the quote
unquote red marker are growing or saying they're growing, or.
Speaker 5 (01:19:30):
What they think they got.
Speaker 6 (01:19:31):
And I'm comparing it to cuts it that are actually
the cut and uh, that guy, I've been showing Bitter
that cut as it's growing, and you said it looks
looks a lot like it. It's just obviously once a
flower will be able to tell. But I'm fixing the
flower at here in the next I don't know, like
a couple of days, so we'll see.
Speaker 3 (01:19:48):
It was passed around. It wasn't It wasn't held tight
like I got. I got the cut first from a
glass flow or flint friend named Rambler in two thous
probably when he gave it to me, and he was
all about it, you know, and a lot of glass
blowers out from Ohio loved that thing and store by
it because it was a fat yielder. But yeah, it
(01:20:11):
can be also grown. Hella Midzi too, like you fucked
that up. It's gonna be not even a shade of
itself and you'd be like, what is yes, you know,
but it's it's pretty good. I have a cut up
in Canada of pink death Star, which was essentially like
the black Russian type. It was a black Russian skunk
one something rather and it made it pink and a
(01:20:33):
pink version of death Star. That's something in Canada in
their wreck market.
Speaker 6 (01:20:38):
Yeah, that's how this one is. I got to promit this.
It's pretty pretty stretchy. I don't know if it's the
real one, but like I said, fun to figure it out.
Speaker 5 (01:20:52):
I like it.
Speaker 3 (01:20:54):
If something grows directly to the side, like ninety degrees,
I would be worried. That's the that's the hlv is,
But I don't remember how it's been so long since
grown Death Star dude, I couldn't say their way on
the growth traits, But yeah, that's cool. Do you know
anything about taking a dead skunk and rubbing it on
(01:21:15):
your plants?
Speaker 5 (01:21:18):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
I think that guy's just like troll funky.
Speaker 3 (01:21:26):
I do know a guy that took bud to a
cup put something called tinks, which is a a it's
like a skunk scent you can buy in a glass
for hunting or whatever. And he put it at the
bottom of the jar and was handing like letting people
smell his jar, and everybody's like, oh man, that's skunky.
And then he gave someone two buds of it in
a plastic bag and the dude brought it to one
(01:21:48):
of our parties right after, because it after Emerald Cup
and the party was there, and he takes the bag
out and it's called orange oil in the bottom of
it from the oil that he put in the jar.
Speaker 2 (01:21:59):
I thought that was funny.
Speaker 3 (01:22:00):
That was a joint breath.
Speaker 6 (01:22:02):
Yeah, are you smoking again, Matt?
Speaker 3 (01:22:10):
Not as much as I'd like to at night sometimes
to go to sleep, but yeah, not like I want to.
It's kind of sad. But I'm all almost out of
weed anyway, so and I'm just trying to keep what.
Speaker 5 (01:22:21):
Is left I got. I've been smoking on an outdoor
mid its bro to. I got another week or so
to go.
Speaker 6 (01:22:28):
So I took I took one of the Old Betsy
to the Blue Dream crosses, or the Old Betsy to
the Blue Dream with Betsy's Nightmare. Sorry, yeah, I took
one of those early is the more runty of the group,
because it's kind of the corner, you know, man, does
that Old Betsy or I don't know if it's Old
Betsy or the Blue Dream. Do some of them like
(01:22:50):
throw Obviously the thin Leave ship can come from the
Blue Dream, but do you think this weird ship where
like the best way I can describe it is like
almost like a hairball, bro It's like some of them
will kind of just bunched up and they're throwing all
these leaves out look real weird.
Speaker 5 (01:23:06):
I don't know if it's because the cross of the
Blue variegated. No, no, not at all.
Speaker 6 (01:23:11):
It's uh just weird the way that how all the
leaves are with where they're at, and that the buds
are forming the budds of normal everything.
Speaker 5 (01:23:18):
It's just the way the leaves the plant.
Speaker 6 (01:23:20):
It kind of like bushed up in this ball thing
and it's throwing nuts. Not all of them did that,
just like two of them, the more runty ones.
Speaker 3 (01:23:26):
I just wondering interesting to see what you're talking about it.
Speaker 5 (01:23:28):
I'll take some pictures. I've been busy, dude, I need
to get some pictures.
Speaker 3 (01:23:31):
I've been fucking swamped my gamer.
Speaker 6 (01:23:34):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (01:23:35):
I like some games, but I don't ever play games.
Speaker 5 (01:23:38):
Matt plays that game balls in his mouth, dickon.
Speaker 3 (01:23:44):
I like him, man, and I like I like easy
games like Oblivion and Assassin's Crazy.
Speaker 6 (01:23:51):
Speaking of which, thanks uh to Jared and a couple
of other guys that showed some support my little thing.
Speaker 5 (01:23:56):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (01:23:57):
Hell yeah, when your little thing, where you talking about.
Speaker 5 (01:24:00):
My little video game podcast?
Speaker 3 (01:24:02):
People know about this is what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (01:24:04):
No, it's all good.
Speaker 3 (01:24:05):
I'm asking you too. So Chuck, he's got another podcast
he's doing, and it's what retro gaming.
Speaker 5 (01:24:11):
Yeah, it's just gaming.
Speaker 6 (01:24:12):
Growing up in the If you were born like you know,
I'm born in eighty nine, So if you grew up
in the nineties or two thousands. We're basically talking about
nostatic shit, video games, big anime, titties, shit like that
with my buddy I've been but.
Speaker 5 (01:24:23):
Buddy, my buddy that I'll do it with.
Speaker 3 (01:24:24):
But buddies.
Speaker 5 (01:24:25):
We've been bud buddies for like twenty some years.
Speaker 3 (01:24:27):
So we just buddies.
Speaker 5 (01:24:29):
Well yeah, yeah, just hanging out talking games. Man, I
don't know.
Speaker 6 (01:24:33):
Me and him been talking about doing a little video
game podcast for years, and he says he's had free time.
His son's finally growing up, so he's like, man, I
got let's do a little thing or something for fun.
Speaker 3 (01:24:41):
So put the name out there.
Speaker 6 (01:24:43):
Oh, it's called Memory Card Mafia. If you want to
look it up, it's on YouTube. Don't plug me, man,
I don't need pluggins.
Speaker 3 (01:24:50):
Like the thing is, you have fansom on this show.
They would like to watch you do things because you're
funny as fuck.
Speaker 6 (01:24:56):
I know, but this is a weed show, man. We
gotta keep around weed Manu me. I don't give a ship.
Speaker 5 (01:25:01):
No, I was playing. I appreciate the support, but I.
Speaker 3 (01:25:03):
Talk politics on here and nobody wants to hear that ship.
Speaker 6 (01:25:05):
Yeah true, you know, Yeah, everybody burnt out maam, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:25:10):
I'm almost getting burned out too. Like my dad's been
hitting me up talking about his version of politics and stuff,
and I'm just.
Speaker 6 (01:25:16):
Like, everybody's got their ship and maybe it's it's a
hot topic right now.
Speaker 5 (01:25:22):
Man, that's seeing him.
Speaker 3 (01:25:23):
Agree on everything too. But it's just like he's so hard.
I thought I was bad, but yeah, man, well liked
Do I sound like this?
Speaker 5 (01:25:34):
Yeah? You know, it's just different. It's weird. We living
weird times, man.
Speaker 2 (01:25:38):
We do.
Speaker 3 (01:25:40):
We're just living the weirdest of times.
Speaker 6 (01:25:42):
We're going to be fighting the AI growers here pretty soon. Bro,
it's gonna be AI robots trying to take over our space.
You guys, we're gon gonna have to, like Terminator, have
to fuck him up.
Speaker 3 (01:25:52):
Okay, after we're an hour and a half in, I'm
gonna go through and give everyone the details that exist
on Romulent. So you know, figure, who did your logo, Chuck?
Speaker 5 (01:26:01):
I did? Am I What I do is I use
uh uh ai and some of I do draw my hand.
Speaker 6 (01:26:08):
But a lot of times I'll do is I'll take
like a I with an idea I prompted in there,
I take it over to pro create on my iPad
where I got an iPad and pencil and then I
add like lighting effects or I'll change ship. I'm not
a great artist, but I'm decent enough where I could
doctor stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:26:22):
Your ship looks legit, and I don't. I can do
that with an.
Speaker 6 (01:26:24):
I can't take credit for it. Like, yeah, people think
I'm just like I am doing a.
Speaker 5 (01:26:28):
But I do.
Speaker 6 (01:26:29):
I do have two or three steps. I take it through,
like like I said, with the lighting effects and ship.
But like, man, it's just I enjoyed doing that I make.
I've made like a card game before. I've always been
kind of artistic and did a lot of that autistic artistic.
I did like art up the art sis in high school.
So let's just just my mom's an artist. So that's
just what I like to do in free time.
Speaker 3 (01:26:50):
Did you know? Did you know our buddy CSI is
an artist? Is he? I can work for image?
Speaker 5 (01:26:57):
Really?
Speaker 3 (01:26:58):
And Mark?
Speaker 5 (01:26:59):
What what the fun.
Speaker 3 (01:27:01):
Secret ship ship? I'm not gonna say what his name was.
Speaker 5 (01:27:05):
I'm a deep dove man.
Speaker 2 (01:27:07):
Oh yeah, I'm gonna find out which fucking ones.
Speaker 3 (01:27:10):
It is near impossible to figure out, but I'll shake well.
Speaker 6 (01:27:13):
Yeah, a lot of those guys use like uh, what's
it called like alias, yes, yeah, yeah, that's when you
see it.
Speaker 3 (01:27:19):
You'll be like, okay, that makes sense, but yeah.
Speaker 6 (01:27:22):
Yeah, okay, cool man, that's fucking oh. I'm into that
kind of ship. I missed, like the whole comic book era.
I was a little bit of age by the time.
Speaker 2 (01:27:30):
It was like it was basically it's never too late.
Speaker 6 (01:27:33):
But but it's come back, and I've been doing into
the what's it called Invincible comic?
Speaker 5 (01:27:38):
I bought the about the first Oh god.
Speaker 3 (01:27:41):
Did you buy the first one? I thought one of them?
Speaker 6 (01:27:43):
It's about the library version bro, the big massive com pendeum.
Speaker 5 (01:27:48):
There's a mistaken weighs like fucking thirty pounds. Fans, You're like, it's.
Speaker 3 (01:27:54):
I should have got it is so good though.
Speaker 5 (01:27:56):
It's good, dude, I love it.
Speaker 6 (01:27:58):
If anybody likes glory like comic books kind of thing,
the Invincible show and the comic book or a graphic
novels poking awesome.
Speaker 5 (01:28:07):
Anyway, we're off topic, dude.
Speaker 2 (01:28:09):
You should check out Before we get back on topic,
you should check out Saga the compendium. It's fucking killer.
If you liked Invincible, It's not superhero shit, but you'll
like it.
Speaker 5 (01:28:22):
Cool I'll check it out.
Speaker 3 (01:28:24):
We're gonna be watching A Big Trouble Little China today
after the show at some point. And there's actually graphic
novels of Big Trouble a Little China written by John
Carpenter and all the original writers from the movies. They
made seqels because they didn't have the money to you know,
produce a whole new movie or going for it even
though it's the best movie on Earth ever. Yeah, anyway, Romulin,
(01:28:47):
because we're getting in and I don't want to go
over two hours because that's when. Yes, all right, so Romulin.
I've told people that do this in here, the history
of Romulin. A lot of people, you know, have heard like, oh,
it's from the Korean War in the forties. There was
some Korean warriors that brought back some Korean bud and
(01:29:08):
brought it to Canada and had this rare shit and
blah blah blah. So you know, there was Mendocino, Joe
did it. And there has been all kinds of stories
over the years that I've been like, huh, this doesn't
make sense. Korean War in the forties. They had weed
in the Korean War in the forties that brought back,
this doesn't make any sense. So I eventually got to
(01:29:28):
talk to Romulan Joe, who is not Mendocino. Joe has
never been to Menicino, but a lot of people equated
these two names for some reason. This is a while back.
I was gonna have him on the show and he
kind of pulled back on it. Nice, great guy, and
it wasn't anything mean or just kind of I don't
think he really isn't into any kind of want of
(01:29:49):
fame or popularity from weed and doesn't want to mix
that up with his current business. With that said, luckily
on that in that conversation, I wrote everything down with
a sharpie on some cardboard and this is what I
wrote down. So it's going to be kind of scrambled.
It'll give you a good idea of the backstory of Romulent.
(01:30:10):
This is again, it's going to be kind of scrambling,
but I'll do my best. Late sixties early seventies on
Vancouver Island, a group of merchant marines who were into
weed and served together started growing weed and what they
called New World sativas, which meant mostly the bad seed
of the day from Columbia or Mexican. They worked these
from for some undisclosed amount of time, and by the
(01:30:33):
time the USA was pulling out of Vietnam, the claim
is that an Indica from the Southeast Asia nineteen seventy
five out of ov and I don't know if that's
a Canadian place av ofv or sound something like that
in the same circle with these merchant marines now and
then it says now it's the late seventies near Soup
(01:30:55):
Cirque Soup. They started using mercury street lights to read
hybrids of that worked Mexicans Southeast Asian line crossed to
Southeast Asian genetics by nineteen seventy eight. Three plants were
selected for finishing early in between October and November. One
of them looked like the Alaskan thunderfuck. It had the
(01:31:15):
most yield, and they called that thunderfuck because it looked
like thunderfuck to them. Whatever they had is thunderfuck. Plant
two was called the other one, and let's see, it
had the highest potency, most resin production. That became known
later as romulin. Not sure what happened to the other plant.
(01:31:36):
Someone sells a store in the late eighties and early nineties,
no dirt hydro or no dirt reversed, is reversed, is
tried on. I don't know if that's like, I don't
know if it's called tried on hydroponics or no dirt.
I don't remember why I wrote that, but yeah, there
were three fan friends in an extended group from the
original circle, Tony, Paul and other guys. And Tony was
(01:31:56):
the one who actually named it Romulin and said while
smoking while they were sitting in the room smoking together him,
Joe and Paul, he said, this is the bace pop man,
this is like romulin smoke. None of them were trekky,
so it was a weird quote. That's his born Romulin.
So I kind of like the people always tell the
story that it was called like port Alberni Pine Bud
(01:32:17):
pryor it was called Blue Indica prior. It may have
been Blue Indica after if it was passed to other groups,
it may have been port Alberni Pine Budd later after
it passed other groups, because like Joe's interaction ended there
at some point he did pass it to Vancouver Island
seed Bank. They did get an original cut and worked forward.
But that is the best we got is the story
(01:32:39):
on Romulin with real infold.
Speaker 6 (01:32:42):
Could you repeat that I zoned out it wrote down
on cardboard, motherfucker.
Speaker 1 (01:32:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:32:50):
So that's that's the history in romulin. I didn't put
it in the thumbnail description. So this is just kind
of like a what do you call egg drop egg
egg easter egg, easter egg hidden in this episode of
the history of romulin. And yeah, it's just like not
enough to do a whole episode on.
Speaker 5 (01:33:11):
But yeah.
Speaker 6 (01:33:13):
You know, if I've learned anything Matt from watching you
and being involved, is you know, keep a zip log
in a permanent marker sharper on you at all times.
Don't matter what seed you got, just throw them in
the bag. Somebody says I want x X I this,
you just say, I write.
Speaker 5 (01:33:31):
Send it fam.
Speaker 3 (01:33:32):
Yeah, yeah, send it money, got it?
Speaker 4 (01:33:35):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (01:33:37):
So people want to know what romulin smells like. I
have never had real romulin, but how they described it
the guys that have had it sweaty socks and pine.
Speaker 5 (01:33:45):
Cool.
Speaker 3 (01:33:47):
Yeah, it's not in the US. It's not anywhere that
I know of. I'm pretty sure the clone is dead.
The cut in the US kind of smells grapefruity, crapey. Yeah,
it's not.
Speaker 5 (01:33:59):
It walks with the I don't know any think about it.
Speaker 3 (01:34:03):
Anyway.
Speaker 5 (01:34:04):
Yeah, Yeah, that's fun today.
Speaker 3 (01:34:07):
Yeah, we we we got to play with MIC's. I'm
gonna have to edit this before it even goes on
audio because that was fucking goofy.
Speaker 5 (01:34:14):
I apologize you guys. It's always something my stream yard.
Speaker 3 (01:34:18):
Yeah, I mean, wasn't it. Can't even believe the stream
yard for that. It was this audio pro you see
these on on freaking Yeah. Anyway, Amazon, don't buy them
a piece of ship back to the Blue Yetty, I
guess blue Yetty's working, So why would I use anything else?
Speaker 6 (01:34:35):
Anyway, That's always something We got more chat questions. Go
ahead and get him wrap it up here.
Speaker 3 (01:34:42):
Yeah, we gotta we gotta work up it before two
hours or are gonna be screwed. So get him in now.
Speaker 5 (01:34:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:34:48):
And after this, like we said in the discord, we're
gonna be watching Big Trouble in Little China, maybe Broke
Back Mountain, don't know.
Speaker 6 (01:34:54):
Yeah, yeah, ship Brokeback Mountain discord every day, family, you
don't have to watch the movie up in each other.
Speaker 3 (01:35:03):
But I wasn't. I wasn't. Uh, I was smoking by
ninety five. I was also like fifteen, so or you know,
or fourteen. So I don't have any input on this.
Maybe Christmas bud was all pine and mint like peppermint,
no skunk one smell at all. I mean it sounds
like that. There was also the pine tark cush was
(01:35:24):
going around in nor Cal at the time. Yeah, the
Christmas tree bud sounds so similar.
Speaker 2 (01:35:30):
What's that?
Speaker 5 (01:35:31):
What is that? Is that?
Speaker 3 (01:35:31):
The one?
Speaker 5 (01:35:32):
Is that the same thing?
Speaker 6 (01:35:32):
Csassin's out sometimes or has? Yes, I haven't never grown it.
Speaker 3 (01:35:36):
I guess you're talking about the Christmas tree or pine
tar are both well?
Speaker 5 (01:35:40):
I mean the Christmas tree I got both of them.
Speaker 3 (01:35:42):
But it's just an old It's an old piney afghani.
Speaker 5 (01:35:46):
Is it nice smoke for what it is?
Speaker 3 (01:35:47):
Or I don't know. I never smoked it.
Speaker 5 (01:35:49):
Anybody'll let me know.
Speaker 3 (01:35:51):
I like piny I kind of do.
Speaker 6 (01:35:56):
I like mixing it up, man, It's like my six
partners sometimes gas sometimes ship.
Speaker 5 (01:36:01):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:36:02):
I think I think a cross between the two would
be kind of cool to see, since they're both so inbred,
that would be cool.
Speaker 3 (01:36:11):
I can't even take offense to this.
Speaker 6 (01:36:13):
I got a bunch of what does he say? I'd
like to purchase some of your socialist seats. I've never
smoked socialist fan, but it could be fire.
Speaker 5 (01:36:22):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:36:29):
It's so funny when you drop that on someone who's
like mad at you and chat.
Speaker 3 (01:36:34):
I know, dude, I am a socialist, I'm an anarchist.
Can buy we could buy him? How about it?
Speaker 5 (01:36:44):
You know that being said?
Speaker 6 (01:36:46):
We got people in the Discord walks to every life, y'all,
they ain't you know, we welcome everybody in. I mean,
obviously we take our of the assholes, put cinder blocks
around their feet.
Speaker 3 (01:36:56):
But what about revular seats? He has the rummans next
has nothing to do with anything. Late Late Bloomer just
barely came around, started a company. He's not have access
to anything. It's another scammer.
Speaker 5 (01:37:09):
Please get access to some costume cannons at least.
Speaker 3 (01:37:15):
Yeah, so that's.
Speaker 6 (01:37:19):
Yeah, basically, Matt. I mean I've talked about everything I've I've.
Speaker 3 (01:37:24):
Got the same. Are we good? We good?
Speaker 5 (01:37:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:37:30):
Yeah, sorry, I'm stone mhm.
Speaker 6 (01:37:33):
A couple of people in the Discord are running the
xmus but well yeah, yeah, hell yeah, I looked in.
Speaker 5 (01:37:39):
I'll look into that, bro. I've been busy the last
couple of days. I'm about to sit down though.
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All right, you may try and nobody knows. Okay, there
we go. Lots of love everyone, see us in the
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Yep, later y'all see I.
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