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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 4 (01:34):
Welcome to Reader Syndicate. I am Matthew, and today I'm
here with the homie Screwstin Scarecrow, and we're going to
go over some of your comments that you've left. We've
been asking you to leave comments, not just likes, not
just subscriptions, but comments for interactivity, and we want to
bring kind of some illumination to some of these comments,

(01:56):
which can go from being really great and we're worthy
of talking about on the show, and giving recognization to
the people who left the comments to some of the
not so brilliant comments that we can kind of pick
apart to help those who read those make some sense
of why they're inaccurate. And yeah, I'm looking forward to

(02:19):
this one. We're doing it on our normal night show,
just to show that anybody that leaves comments, we do
see them, and we may do a show on them
in the future. So get your comments in there, whether
it's great, whether it's insulting me, whether it's your own
personal opinion. Hopefully you have it backed by science and paperwork,

(02:40):
so that we can go assess that and say, yeah,
this is actually a great comment because he has it
backed up by science, or we can just go over
what you have and with that, mister Scrusten, please take
it away, all right.

Speaker 5 (02:55):
So up first I thought was something that was a
little bit neat on. This was from Kevin Lopez. I
wonder if Kevin Lopez, Yes, I wonder if far red
light therapy would help the cannibalism that happens in the
ogs and the ninety ones speed up the finish with

(03:18):
the far reds, but not sure if it would speed
up the eating itself.

Speaker 4 (03:25):
That's a good question. I mean, I have not dealt
a lot with LEDs to say that yes, this can
stop the cannibalization from the KM ninety one era. The
KM ninety one genetics, it's something it passes down pretty regularly. However,

(03:47):
unless the far right spectrum is able to suppress some genes,
I find it very hard to believe that you can
suppress that now we know that to suppress the KIM
ninety one cannibalism stuff, essentially all you do is never
let it fade. Constant nitrogen cow mag keep the leaves

(04:12):
very grain during when it's supposed to be sin essence
will cause that problem however, or cause that solution, but
it also causes it to further stack, which isn't ideal.
The finishing time completely changes, and I just don't know
that the weed is that quality if you're shoving a

(04:33):
bunch of nitrogen supplements in to achieve that notion when
overall the score is based on how it smokes. So
that would be my opinion. Do you have a differing
take on its group?

Speaker 2 (04:48):
So I do run LED's.

Speaker 5 (04:51):
I run the hlg R spec which has six thirty
and seven, and it did not help the cannibalism of
the chmon stuff. It It does seem to be like
more linked to feeding. I don't I don't get any

(05:15):
like I don't get cannum. You know it eating itself
on O G hybrids. I don't know if that's a
normal thing that people get, but I have noticed that
it does that mice the cuts that I have from
you know, like that because me and my friend crew

(05:35):
around here past each other ship that we find out
of seeds and stuff. And I've noticed that things seem
to consistently finish just a little bit faster in uh
in my garden underneath one of my oarspects particularly, So

(05:56):
there is that.

Speaker 4 (05:57):
Yeah, yep, the very good answer. What else we got
on the chopping block.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
Right from quasi moto? If Irene is so great, why
is she nowhere?

Speaker 4 (06:17):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Lord?

Speaker 4 (06:19):
So it all goes back to the days of and
Irene is an older clone, when something was passed on
the forums to different people that were friends with other
people that were in these groups. The stipulation was please
don't pass or we're still doing work with her or
trying to make money with her in our current weed

(06:41):
market where we sell. And that for context, we're not
talking about us selling. It's referring to another group selling YouTube.
But yeah, but you know, that's what it boils down to.
We didn't want to compete in each other's markets. If
it was released in seed, then every one has it
and crash the Atlanta market where it currently was. Irene

(07:05):
goes back to a story about guys in Atlanta getting
bag seeds of what we call resins Ogkush. Resins group
was in charge of sending it back to Atlanta, And
we have many different reasons to know this, and I
won't lay them all out here. They had the same middleman,

(07:26):
as we found out later when all of them were
at a party together, and over time they lost the
packs of the real irene and they didn't have any
bag seeds of it. So what they wanted to do
was go get another Ogkush that produced some bag seeds.
So their choice was Larry Og and they went through
several packs of the Larry Og until they found a

(07:48):
plant that they felt best resembled resembled the Irene, and
that's what became the Irene that made it around the forums.
It's an excellent cut, has some very obvious I don't
want to say mutations, but it is technically some kind
of mutation to be able to spot it in veg

(08:10):
if that is what you truly desire. It's not the
most resinous irene, it is not or Ogkush for that matter,
but the high on it and how well it breeds
is almost second to none. Yeah, that's kind of the
backstory on our Irene. And why if it's so good.

(08:32):
It wouldn't be in everyone's room. It was never meant
to be in everyone's room. It was meant to be
a small time, small batch crop of cannabis that could
be sold for a substantial amount of money because it
was special, and because so few people that pass it
out to other groups to shoot themselves in the foot.

(08:53):
Right now we know who has Irene and it's still
very few people. But it is an absolutely amazing cut.
It differs from OG in many ways typical OG. Anyways,
it gets very much for me to the sweeter end
of OG, which is some of my favorite and very smooth.

(09:15):
I'm not going to talk about the mutations here because
again more people will pop up with more fakes that
have a similar mutation because that does lie in OG
cush and yeah, I think that's all I have to
cover on it. It's an amazing breeder, amazing high and yeah,
just like Kemde, just like any of the other strains

(09:35):
out there, it's not in a bunch of people's hands.
Despite idiots selling them on forums or their own website
and people think, hah, finally access I can finally grow
this strain. That's really not how it works, and if
people were shown in these groups to start selling clones
that had stipulations of not to pass out, meaning whoever

(10:00):
gave that cut to someone else is on the chopping
block because he passed out the cut to someone that
was untrustworthy. It's very common sense. And in the case
of kim D, there is ninety nine percent more kim
D cuts out there that are not kim D that
are attributed to kim D because the kim D cut

(10:20):
is not widely passed. That's just an example of how
this came to be. White came to be, and white
Irene is not everywhere. Anything you want to add screw.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Well, I haven't. I haven't even smoked flower of the original,
but I have run quite a few hybrids of it
now and I've liked pretty much every single one.

Speaker 5 (10:53):
Yeah, if you you know, if you want to try
Irene stuff, it's a couple of breeders have it, and
you can grow the seats fit like it's there, and
it will pop up with some really fucking stellar pot.

Speaker 4 (11:11):
Yep worth every penny every time. Okay, next on the list.
Hopefully we don't speed read it, because I want to
make a decent episode out of this.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
This one is a funny one, Okay, I like funny
from Caleb Vera two o nine.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
Good bringing shame to the name of Caleb. Let's hear it.

Speaker 5 (11:41):
I believe Asian Fantasy might still be around in Calaveras County.
Definitely was a legit strain out there in the Sierra Foothills.
But from my understanding that like not only didn't leave
the island of his on, but it didn't even fucking
change hands out there, right.

Speaker 4 (12:02):
Yeah, as best I understand, and I know a few
breeders who know the guy who had it put in Cannabible,
he was never willing to pass this cut. He was
never willing to do anything with it. Looking back at it,
it doesn't look like the most amazing cut. It looked
like it was constantly cut many weeks early, so it

(12:25):
was really hard to get to get a gauge on
what Jason King, who wrote the Cannabible smoked. Was it
some premi weed from this Canadian hybrid? Not sure. There
was a group called the Brothel Boys that are probably
some of the biggest scammers to ever hit cannabis. For

(12:46):
a long time, though some people have taken that throne
in spades. But for a long time these guys would
pop up and say they had something called Blue Irene,
and they also claimed to have Asian fantasy.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
At the time.

Speaker 4 (13:00):
I'm sorry Blue Asian fantasy. Guys like JG. New York
worked with their Blue Asian Fantasy, which was completely unrelated
to anything Asian fantasy. And in fact, the Brothel Brothers
tried to say they had HP thirteen Pineapple Mothership, pretty
much anything that was popular in the Canna Bible. They

(13:21):
tried to lay claim to dog Bud for a while
they said was in their group, and later on they
went back and said, oh, it's called Doggyebag, but close enough. Yeah,
Asian fantasy I've seen in local collectives here as far
as claiming that it's being sold as you know, modern cannabis.

(13:42):
And frankly, that string was never passed out to anyone.
And I don't know the status of the guy who
had it, that selected it, but I'd imagine after all
these years he is probably no longer with us, and
if he is, he is still holding onto it with
a kung fu death grip. In my mind, there's probably

(14:03):
nothing very exciting about Asian fantasy. Due to the fact
he's never released it and shared it for anybody else
to try. It's all taken on some random mass man's
word who barely participates and had no intention of spreading it.
It looked like a unique plant. It was easy to spot. However,

(14:23):
going back and looking at the Cannon Bible pictures of
it recently, it looks like a very very deficient, malnourished plant,
which is why it was forever kicking white stigma. And
that would be the hairs, and yeah, it just looks
like an all around midzi something. And for some reason,

(14:45):
that entry in the Bible has kept that myth going
on and on and on with modern growers. But it
is a little gut wrenching every time I go into
a collective see that and have to error correct them
that that's not what they think it is. However, it's
being advertised them as such, so they haven't changed anything.

(15:07):
You know, the road to Hell is paid with good intentions,
and they had good intentions at first. So yeah, that's
the story of Asian fantasy. And at one point the
Brothel Brothers went on ic Mags, specifically NYC Kid, and
actively pretended to be the wife of the Asian fantasy
breeder who died saying she wants to get the seeds

(15:28):
out there, to which on his own name, he volunteered
to take over the project and from then on claim
that he got the seeds from the old lady, which
never happened. Anybody who was on there at the time
knew exactly that it was NYC kid. He slipped a
few times. Yeah, but that's the Asian fantasy story and
why even today it's still spoken about, possibly for no reason.

Speaker 5 (15:54):
Yeah, I mean, I you know, you have to wonder, right, like,
if it was that good, you have to think someone
probably would have stolen it, you know, stolen, or that
he would.

Speaker 4 (16:07):
Have shared but of it. Yeah, something meant to have
it backed up. But from everything I've been told by
other peeters who actually knew him, he had zero intentions
of sharing, letting money anybody else smoke bud. He wanted
to keep the myth going as long as he possibly
could wait a minute to his own detriment.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
So these motherfuckers didn't even smoke it.

Speaker 4 (16:30):
No, most people have never even smoked it, touched it
other than the guy making the plane.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
Oh man.

Speaker 5 (16:36):
See, so I was under the impression that it was
just like, you know, like a thing out there that
a guy just fucking held onto and never fucking let
go of.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
Not that he didn't even like let go of the flower.

Speaker 4 (16:49):
No, No, it didn't produce much flowers, so he kept
it all for headies. So cheers to him for trying.
But yeah, the clusterfuck of a move.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
Boy.

Speaker 5 (17:06):
Yeah, I mean, you know, oftentimes it's it's like with
anything else, guys, when things seem a little bit too
good to be true, or or like, oh wow, what
are the chances probably make Just yeah, there's a lot
of not really having to verify.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Much when it comes to custis at least, you know, and.

Speaker 4 (17:31):
You know, we've tried talking about this in the Discord.
In the Discord, we're much more open about telling our
opinions on what strains are fake, the past history of breeders,
and not just assessing them as a human being, but
just going and looking what they put out there and
why what they're saying they have and have bread with

(17:53):
is null and void based on history. A lot of
people get very upset about this. We had a guy
named Hippie Dick Fish Dicker that was in our site,
and he threw an absolute fit realizing that he is
a very young age and missed the era of being
able to import traditional Afghani land races and stuff like

(18:16):
that prior to DNA Greenhouse and everyone else going in
there injecting their own genetics into these programs. It's happened,
and to be able to try to go over there
and pick something pure nowadays is almost laughable. And guys
like jo Juri that went over there, you know, to
do this kind of thing. He really the guy is

(18:39):
so sweet, but his expertise is not cannabis history. It's
not what happened, when what genetics were brought over, when
what was documented and wasn't. He is just selling a
dream along with everyone else. And I don't know if
he's complicit on that part or it's just something that
he himself wants to enjoy and suspends disbelief to be

(19:01):
a part of it. But once those things are getting sold,
then I really lack the sympathy to say, okay, well,
it's all for good intentions at this point. Right now,
it's a scheme to move these seeds that are all
DNA and bread Greenhouse and bread DYNAFM in bread. There
are a lot of conventions in Morocco during the years

(19:26):
just for Moroccans to be able to go to a
place and buy seeds from all of these white labeling
Spanish buying seed sellers. It's a real thing, and it's
completely crushed that whole area.

Speaker 5 (19:40):
And we're not talking about We're not talking about a
couple of ten packs.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
We're talking about two loads up seeds exactly.

Speaker 4 (19:49):
Exactly. And nothing that I can tell has ever been
done by Greenhouse, DNA, Soma, Barney's Farm, anybody who is
re appiens of a lot of this really rare stuff
that was probably modernized, Like when they went to Colombia
and trying to find one of the lemon strains there.

(20:10):
That strain had been available online long before DNA had
made it over there, Lee mohns something, and they didn't
take advantage of it then. Instead they waited to fly
over till it was long bastardized. So yeah, be careful
with what you watch. Not everything is true. A lot

(20:30):
of these guys are schmuckhead fuckheads that don't have as
much interest in breeding and strain sourcing, strain provenance as
anybody thinks. Some of them got them tested in Pilos,
I point back to the og cush episode or not episode,
but the Ogkush Pilos expanse where you're seeing things like

(20:52):
a tie from a very well known breeder being linked
as the parent plant to og Kush, which was speculation
for a long time that it was tie og or
I'm sorry, tie Afghan or tie this, and that we
truly don't know what it is. And Filos was unable

(21:13):
to do any sort of scientific research or assumptions because
they were all during short read, and in short read
they take little clips of the DNA and compare just
those little clips to little clips from the other one. Now,
if they were doing longer DNA, they'd be taking much
longer sections comparing those much longer sections to another plant,

(21:34):
and in that case it's much easier to see the
linkage and where it ends and stands. But little links
get you nowhere, and it's just easy to fill in
little forms to try to push a business. And to me,
that again played a major role in setting cannabis back
fifteen years for the people who were trying to break
down these stories, break down the genetics going by I,

(21:58):
going by scent, going by how true, bringing something was
and SENI if they could get that same expression in there,
sorry for the.

Speaker 5 (22:05):
Ramp No, No, I think that's you know that that
is something I think that you and doctor Vigara touched on,
and her you know, being like, oh that kind of
you know, like extent why we had ship all over
the place. They shouldn't have been, you know, like if
if it was purportedly true the information we got about

(22:28):
these lines, they should not wedn't be getting the results
we're getting, which is you know, like and you that's
now not just holding back, you know, nerds like us
that like actual fucking scientists trying to you know, figure
the shit out.

Speaker 4 (22:47):
They took those results to the bank with them, and
unfortunately it's kind of fucked up the science aspect. When
they're getting clones of something labeled OG that isn't even
related and using that as their master form OG that
they compare all future ogs too. It breaks the system completely.

(23:09):
Even when the science is correct to be there, they're
relying on a bunch of liars for their clones because
they aren't aware how bad this epidemic has become. I
tried brutally, brutally, brutally, over and over explaining this to
doctor Vergara, and she seemed more receptive than most. But
still it's been pushed by the wayside since then, and

(23:31):
I think is going to be the downfall of trying
to figure all this shit out without adding in values
that don't need to be there to make it all work.

Speaker 5 (23:43):
Yeah, which for the gm Z crowd, it's like it's
like training an AI model on a fucking conspiracy newspaper.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
You know you're gonna get weird shit that doesn't make
any sense.

Speaker 4 (24:01):
This is true.

Speaker 5 (24:04):
Okay, So next question from okay Osai Tindall. I'll probably
pronounce that incorrectly, but great episode. Love to hear about
the old strains. I'm curious to try some of the
nineties stuff I used to hear about but never tried.

(24:25):
White rhino, white widow, et cetera. Any of those stand
up to the modern stuff?

Speaker 4 (24:34):
Which strain specifically is they asking about.

Speaker 5 (24:37):
So I think they're asking they sighted white rhino and
white widow.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
Yeah, but.

Speaker 5 (24:47):
I think they're saying moreover in general, just cuts from
the nineties, the you know elits and all that.

Speaker 4 (24:55):
I think some of the cuts do stand up to today's,
like Diesel, which is a skunk feminized accident. I'm convinced
to that now and I have a lot of data
to back it up. But like Rhino and Widow, there's
no sourcing that nowadays. I mean, we have mister Niceed's

(25:18):
Black Widow, which I've been on that forum forever, watched
many grows of it, and everybody who grew it said,
this is not like the original white Widow I'm used to.
Then we have Medicine Man, who shanty insist is just
white Rhino, which would be an Afghan widow. Again, haven't

(25:38):
seen anybody pull one out and be like, this is
the cut, this is the cut. We all remember. White Rhino.
I'm very into because it was the first strain I
ever smoked in an extract form where I was able
to see tracers like I was on acid and had
all kinds of crazy deep thoughts, you know, like never

(26:00):
first time I've ever seen it, never seen it again.
So I've been on a very very specific white Rhino
hunt to find something like that. However, Medicine Man, to me,
is not the direction that White Rhino was going. I
do not know that any of those were available from
anyone that I would trust. I would trust the Spanish

(26:22):
to be honest, to have a good version of it. However,
depending on the company, I would go for Buddhist seeds Spain,
and I know they're famous for their auto flowers, but
they they did do regular seeds for a long time,
and fem seeds, the regular seeds mostly featuring really old

(26:45):
cuts of that stuff. That's where i'd start. Also was
a guy named Doctor Load that used Nirvana's your Nirvana's
White Rhino, which was said to have some bubba in
it by Oregon Kid himself who made it crossed to

(27:05):
the white rhydo and to me that was the white
the right white rhino, and what you got out of
that was Doctor Load's purple Rhino, lots of purple expressions,
really gorgeous and quite heady. So I have hope for it,
but it's been a long time. It's one of those
strains that when it pops up, I will make sure
and land a few packs and trade or buying them

(27:28):
if I have to, because what I saw back then
would be quite potent and unexpected highs from people currently
smoking weed that have the understanding of weed being anything gelato, anything, cookies,
anything surb stuff that I obviously have no real care

(27:49):
to deal with. And that's a personal thing. Yeah, I
know that's been kissing people off telling me that I
don't know about modern strains and better give them a chance,
as if I haven't since twenty fucking twelve.

Speaker 5 (28:03):
But this is my thing about that, right, Like there's
a reason why, Like, dude, there's fucking company and miss
those and shit that are popping thousands of seeds of
these fucking lines, right.

Speaker 4 (28:17):
Yes, yeah, there's only look at.

Speaker 5 (28:20):
The fucking success rate of actual you know, cuts that
make it through the ringer of like being worth a
fuck to smoke, like to actually smoke, not just what
tells a lot when it first comes out or whatever.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
But like, you know, you were.

Speaker 5 (28:36):
Only getting fucking like what one in a thousand of
like something that's worth fucking holding on to. Yeah, and
you know, if you're like a big company whatever, that's cool.
I don't have that much space and I don't have
that many harvests left in me to fucking go through
it to find one. You know, I'm on some that
has a higher higher hit rate for like killer smoke.

Speaker 4 (28:59):
Yeah, no, That's where I'm at with it. I would
love to see it back more than anything else, less
less into white white widow, even though it did have
a wonderful, distinctive and unique taste that I could smell
and taste anywhere. But why the highs from white rhino

(29:20):
for my brain chemistry hit that peak almost psychedelic phase
that we hear about in weed. Very clear headed and yeah,
that's something a lot of people want. But for now,
rest in peace.

Speaker 5 (29:35):
M Yeah, I think I think a good summary is, uh,
you know, uh astai tendo. There there's cooler highs than
what you can find in the modern stuff that you
would probably be pretty surprised about how diverse just the

(29:57):
effects alone could be. Yeah, all right, And here we
had one of our server members, Trevor.

Speaker 4 (30:07):
Lady Trevor, what's up?

Speaker 2 (30:10):
What is the best modern line to find true NL five?

Speaker 4 (30:15):
I'd say, your best bet, as far as I can tell,
out of all the Seattle Gregg stuff that came with
some shady provenance, lots of backtracking on the only thing
that didn't have any backtracking on And I pressed and
grilled him, grilled him on the Hawaiian lights, the purest Indica,

(30:38):
the neutron lights, which was not NL two sold by Todd,
and the one thing that's held true is the NL
five and a lot of the people who grew it
and smoked it that were around for an NL five
type in their community, I'll say that this is it.
That you can find that in those seats. So I

(30:59):
think the best representation would be in the NL five
rags that me and Caleb produced and the NL five
fem stuff that me and Caleb produced. However, there is
another guy named Frod McCormick that is also selling these seeds.
He was given fifty seeds just like me. However he

(31:19):
chose five seeds to pop and made his population from
five seeds. So it's automatically going to narrow it down
to whatever boof sticks he decided to work with because
there is boof in the line. In doing so, it's
going to read those directions and lock out a lot
of the genetics that were there and that brought diversity.

(31:41):
Our line remained open with diversity, and the only real
selection done was on the NL five fem lines, and
we chose for the more bubble gummy, pink, bubble gum
sweet end of NL five from looks structure and how
it bred and uh yeah, that's that to me, that's

(32:03):
your best bet for fighting Northern lights. Number five specifically
from Herbie was his name. He was the original breeder
of it.

Speaker 5 (32:15):
And a second part of the part two of the question,
does NL five ever pop out of super silver Hayes.

Speaker 4 (32:23):
No, No, super silver haze is a Hayes skunk one
cross to.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
It.

Speaker 4 (32:33):
Might be NL five Skunk one, but I'm pretty sure
it was just Hayes skunk one, skunk one Hayese or
something like that. So no, if it's a bunch of
skunk one in Hayes, even if there's n All five
in there, it is going to massively drown out in
All five because Hayes is so dominant. Skunk one is
so dominant. N All five was not completely bred to

(32:53):
a pure state, so you have two true breeding lines
fighting over it. Yeah, for silver Hayes itself comes in
many forms, but the form that is the most common
is more of a floral perfume mercin heavy strain. But

(33:14):
then you have guys like old Sog Superhill silver haze
that was selected towards skunk one that's really good and
changes actual terps and the way it tastes. I've had
it go from cheesy to bright cherry to bury. It's
it's all in there. So while there is good lines

(33:36):
with it, yeah, there's only one established in all five
line and and yeah that's that's the one.

Speaker 5 (33:48):
This one is from another one of our members, Tiptoe
Tiptoe nice work.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
Again.

Speaker 5 (33:55):
I have a suggestion be kind of cool to have
an episode on the release of the fifty merch tier
could include a mini section for each breeder slash chucker involved.

Speaker 4 (34:09):
It would be nice to do that, but we have
to be very careful when we talk about merch tiers.
Since it's only merch and shirts and stickers, we'll know.

Speaker 6 (34:23):
What what do you think about doing that just for
because I mean, the only people who are going to be,
you know, needing that information essentially are already in the server.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
What do you think about doing like a I don't know,
a server thing or whatever.

Speaker 4 (34:43):
Server thing would be much more appropriate. But yeah, I mean,
after having our Patreon fifty tiers shut down, it just
doesn't make any sense to take it public or talk
about anything in it, any surprises, anything like that. But
on the server, I think it'd be more than worth
going through. And usually I try to go through it all,

(35:03):
but not in a specific space and in detail. Indeed,
some of the stuff that's in there is coming from
our own members, and I have less info that for
than them, but I can always tag them to chime
in like I do. But it's hard to keep it
in the centralized section. So a centralized section would probably
be really helpful for a lot of people who don't

(35:23):
necessarily have to seed knowledge but are are stoked with
their fifty tier packages, all those shirts and stickers and whatnot.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
The noteballs and stuff. Right.

Speaker 5 (35:38):
Yeah, so at Marcus Aurelius, super skunk was never about rks.
It's more an acrid afghan skunk one is where the
RKAS sits.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
Let's going and how wrong that?

Speaker 4 (35:54):
Yeah? So Marcus Aurelius has been hanging around for a
while on in Instagram making bold claims about keeping old clones.
He has been debunked endlessly, but like it turned in
a punch bowl, he keeps popping up. Anybody who has
any experience with skunk one will tell you it is

(36:15):
not skunky. It has never been skunky. They pulled uk
cheese out of it, which is very very sweet cheese
that is not skunky, But it is the premiere cut
of Skunk one. We also have green Crack, which is
an amazing cut of Skunk one, but it's mangoy, you know,

(36:37):
It's not skunky like we think of in the USA.
Whereas super skunk is produced, in my opinion, things like
KEM ninety one, KEM D diesel, sour diesel. Super skunk
has been producing all of this stuff, which everybody agrees
is skunky. So to make that claim to me is

(37:02):
pretty low level understanding of breeding. And not to talk
a lot of shit about Marcus because we don't know
each other personally, but just by that comment alone, it
tells me he has no experience with Skunk one as
far as it'd have to be very limited and using
his brain and marketing skills to try to push it

(37:23):
as skunky roadkill. Skunk was a modern term for referring
to old afghany based stuff, and most of her referred
to old acrid afghany because it was nasty smelling, it
was loud. From a distance, it would be very skunky,

(37:45):
and in some of these cases, the cuts like diesel
are very skunky until the scent dissipates, stirring, drying and
even then still you can pick up some of that scent.
We have an early Pearl clone in the group via
bluest Are. That thing is very skunky, so no skunk
one in it. Anybody from the late seventies to mid

(38:10):
eighties that was a heavy duty smoker paying attention to
what was going around. They all remember the introduction of
Afghany and that was the first time the term skunky
was used to refer to any line, any strain, any
cut as skunky, and it was only referring to Afghans.
Skunk one existed in nineteen eighty and there was no

(38:35):
reports of it being skunky flat out. You get a
lot of orange, you get a lot of grape, you
get a lot of blandoh like, just stuff that smells
like a little bit like cardboard, little hashy smelling. That's
not roadkill skunk. I mean, it's endless. We have Old

(38:58):
Timer one talking about is skunk line from the UK
and how not skunky it was. It was just skunk one.
There's endless references to this stuff. You can go through
all of the High Times find the references yourself, and
you'll find that the only time you're hearing about skunk
is when Afghani came around, and they're referring to the

(39:20):
early indicose with that said Marcus Aurelius, you've been dunked on.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
Yeah, well, I mean you look at the well, that's
stuff that's alive right now.

Speaker 5 (39:33):
You know that that people would be like, oh shit,
that's skunky, you know, like it's sour crosses.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
It's it's stuff that is super skunk.

Speaker 4 (39:43):
Yes, stop, you know, super skunk is the base diesel
being a super skunk S one pure S one, even
if it was by accident, it is still a pure
S one, And plenty of people are finding very skunky
stuff coming out of that. We refer to as buttery
skunk because it's like a more pleasant form of skunk.

(40:05):
It does not smell like an animal that's been run
over the road, dead body, putre faction, none of that stuff,
because that stuff's all volatile sulfur compounds that dissipate. Anyways,
And I don't think when most people refer to skunk spray,
they're referring to a skunk spraying on things, not a

(40:26):
runover skunk, you know, two miles away. So yeah, that's
my opinion. And sometimes you can bust out weed that
isn't remotely skunky. You pull it out of your pocket
somewhere and you know ten feet away someone's gonna smell
something skunky because they don't have a good identification nose
for cannabis in the first place. It's gonna smell loud

(40:47):
and they'll equate it with skunky. But it does not
mean at grabbing the bag smelling it that you're gonna
smell skunky. That is a very rare thing, and I
think we found most of the places that can come
from Bitekne's heirloom Afghani, which I think is a super
skunk base across to something else, has a very very

(41:08):
skunky note in it, and it's not just one in
a million, it's very constant, very consistent, just like Super Skunk.
So to me, the the finale on Super Skunk and
skunk spray stuff, and it is where that stuff lies.

Speaker 7 (41:26):
Currently we have another So remember and fellow Kentlumn not
a crew freeze blade.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
This is that little secret addendum that I've been holding
on to.

Speaker 4 (41:48):
Yeah, let's see what he's got regarding cushy Man.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
Fun fact, the Wa Hawkins seventy nine that Ace uses
came from Cushy very.

Speaker 5 (42:00):
He so, I guess apparently he got past a clone
from someone named Green Grocer and he s woned it.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
And I, if I am reading.

Speaker 5 (42:12):
This correctly, past then past those seats onto ace and
that's what they're using.

Speaker 4 (42:17):
That would that would make sense. Cushy Man also had
a very famous strain called hash bean. We referenced it
so briefly in that interview, but the interview got kept
getting taken way off track from strains and stuff, which
I really wanted to keep is the focus. And that

(42:38):
also is a very famous strain among cannabis enthusiasts for
being something very special. Yes, Kushi Man's had a lot
of contributions to cannabis that most people don't even know about.
And uh yeah, I think that's fucking awesome. A Wahawkan existing,
if it's legitimately a Wahawkan and not a Guereran or

(43:00):
you know, just a random Mexican and we're associating with
wa Hawkan, that would be very cool if it was
an actual Wahawkan something reliable. But I haven't added my
hands yet to try it, but I definitely want to,
So shout out Cushy Man. And I support his right
to be wrong about politics.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
So we have Alexis Digital.

Speaker 5 (43:27):
What is the difference between og Kush and KIM ninety
one in turn in regards to the smoke.

Speaker 4 (43:34):
Okay og Kush, KEM ninety one in regards to just
the smoke, one has a burnt rubber scent in flavor.
O g kush does not have that. It's very soapy,
very complex. It could go anywhere from fruit loop cereal
type to pine salt to earthy to in shitty grow

(43:55):
as it goes earthy to lemony. I guess I've never
really gotten the lemony nd but other people do, so
I can't discount it. Whereas KM ninety one does not
have any of those. It has a very nice flavor,
but it definitely is nowhere near the og kush flavor.

(44:15):
The only resemblance I see between Keem ninety one and
og kush is that they are both lanky plants. However,
the timeline does not match up for og Kush and
KEM ninety one to be direct absolute descendants. In my mind,
they are both descendants of super Skunk, because we know

(44:36):
super Skunk was going around heavy. Multiple people went to
Amsterdam and brought it back after they first encountered the
Va skunk, which is a major portion of sour diesel.
So yeah, that's my opinion. I know Caleb shares a
different opinion on whether OG push and KM ninety one
are directly related, but I haven't been given a very

(44:59):
good break down on why that conclusion rests. And it
could be. It absolutely could be, but I just can't
find any of those traits. And because I'm so interested
in breeding traits, I don't necessarily look at anything other
than breeding traits popping up. And the only breeding traits

(45:21):
that holds true is that they're both lanky, and there
is a lot of lanky stuff out there that is
not OG or CHEM ninety one. Yeah, there's not a
lot of common crossover on the flavor for me, other
than they're both mouthcoding, which is rare. Lipsmacking. Mouth coding

(45:41):
is the best way to put it. Both are equally
right like where you go and you can still taste
it after taking a hit. That to me is lipsmacking.

Speaker 5 (45:52):
Yeah. I mean, even on that, the OG hybrids that
I've run definitely seem to be better in that department,
like do a better job at it.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
Yes, I do.

Speaker 8 (46:07):
I have.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Like a little bit of like an underlying smell.

Speaker 5 (46:15):
Because I remember when I when we met up and
I gave you the samples of the ninety one S one.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
That I run. Yes, there was like.

Speaker 5 (46:25):
An underlying similarity where it's like, Okay, I can see
why people, you know, try and connect these dots.

Speaker 9 (46:34):
You know.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
What's more they're very different.

Speaker 4 (46:36):
Is that in Diesel s ones you can pull out
O G. Cush types, which to me tells me since
there's no KEEM ninety one in Diesel. To me, it
tells me that the underlying relation is indeed super spell.
There's a lot of reasons that I've I've I've come
to the same conclusion. Otherwise I would probably take Caleb

(47:00):
but his word on that, because he has much more
experience with KEM ninety one and the s ones than
I do. I think growing more KEM ninety one s
ones myself would help me understand what's in there. But yeah,
I mean, just the fact that Jesel has no KEM
ninety one and can kick out very close to og
Kushfrino's tells me a super skunk is definitely involved with.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
It could be the linkage there.

Speaker 4 (47:29):
I still think Kem ninety one is a super skunk.
The whole dog Bud story doesn't make any fucking sense
to me.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
Yeah, can you do? You want to go over?

Speaker 5 (47:43):
Like just a break rundown on the dog Bud story.

Speaker 4 (47:49):
The dog Bud story was something that Joe Brand set
up a deal with someone went in picked up something
called dog Bud. He took it on tour with his
homie Pea Bud, and sold a lot of pounds. The
pounds were then sold or the weight was then sold
a second time because Kem Dog Greg bought some during

(48:11):
the first round, said he really loved what he got.
And the second batch came with seeds as I understand it,
whereas the first batch had no seeds. So whether he
was given the same strain that he got and whenever
they were on tour is yet to be determined. It's

(48:32):
all on the word of Joe Brand, and unfortunately I'm
not sure if Joe Brand is with us anymore. I
did have a chance to interview him. It was more
focused on him talking about his past as a trust
fund guy who was a golf caddie as was Peabud,

(48:53):
and he was more interested in talking about their relationship
and how little Pea Bud had to do with anything,
which I can't substantiate. It was one person's story, but
Joe brand was very important to the story and later
popped the Kim one through four that we know have
n al five hays in them now. So there were

(49:14):
a lot of There was a lot of lies and
Sami truths in investigating the Kim Dog story, be it
from Kim Dog Greg who sold very many different Kim
Dog ninety one lines or cuts to different people, which
also didn't help the equation. Same with Kim d. It's

(49:37):
taken a long time to unravel on what little we've unraveled.
The dog Bud thing has never come up again in history.
No one says, oh, I was there to grab dog Bud.
That's been reliable. So yeah, I don't know that the
name was dog Bud. I don't know that it ever
had a name if it was added later by Joe

(49:57):
and Pabud. But the strains, I think they're related. But
I think they're related through super Skok fight me.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
I mean I could I could see. I want to
catch my bets. I want to say here so I
don't look too stupid.

Speaker 5 (50:19):
But I could. I could definitely see there being a relation.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
And what.

Speaker 5 (50:26):
Makes more sense to me as just some fucking dude
with a light is that it's it's just a common
ancestor on one side.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
You know.

Speaker 4 (50:40):
The thing I can say for sure is that there
are no og Cush strains hybridized that kick out M
ninety one properties.

Speaker 5 (50:49):
Which that is a very good because I mean, I
don't know how many of the listeners have ran kim stuff,
but it is. It is ungodly in the like domination effect.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
Like it.

Speaker 5 (51:04):
When you look at Caleb's catalog, you can tell where
you hit the ninety one reversal because everything just looks
like different shades of Kim.

Speaker 4 (51:15):
Yes, you're not seeing og Kush pop out as a rando.
It just doesn't happen. And if it was a direct relation,
like parent to daughter, you would inevitably hit something that
looks like og kush over time, and enough of those
have been popped to note again, Caleb disagrees with me
on this, and he has more experience with those two

(51:36):
specific strains. I have a lot of og Kush experience,
you know, Like I gave all of my clones to
Bitter and he's the og god. Now from that from
that recipient of all those og cush cuts and uh yeah,
I've run all the ones that matter, bread with all

(51:57):
the ones that matter.

Speaker 5 (51:59):
Well, I think what you just touched on is a
really good it's a really good data point. That is,
I mean I did not even you know, I haven't
heard of it or you know, ever even thought about it.
Is with the amount of bag seeds from O G

(52:21):
kush like that is why there are so many different ogs.
You would you would surely if they were that, you know,
like that close of a relation purely at some point
one of those ogs would be much more chemi.

Speaker 4 (52:42):
Yes, And I do think that things like sour did
have KIM ninety one in it. I don't think it
was pure CAM ninety one. I think it was a
KM ninety one bag seed. But in sour hybrids you
will see that leaf cannibalize can cannibalization trait. The only
og cush cut that I note that does that is

(53:03):
Loopa's headband. And I've been of the suspicion that it's
a CHEM ninety one OG or a sour og hybrid,
which is why it does show that leaf cannibalization during
the Sines sence.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
Ooh, it's funny that you sorry, keep going, I want.

Speaker 4 (53:18):
To that's it. Yeah, No, that's that's my opinion on
that one.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
So I've noticed. It's funny.

Speaker 5 (53:25):
I was talking a bitter about this the other day,
like in just something in my own musings on something
that I want to make, and in running through like
just a bunch of different OG hybrids, even like og
tog and stuff like that, you know, fifty six by
Irene and run a LHB stuff, there is definitely like

(53:52):
a different a different region that LHB Loopa's headband and
like hybrids get into then stuff like fifty six or
I reen or that that is like a different branch
of the OG family tree of themes to me.

Speaker 4 (54:12):
Also, the fifty six day headband is the exact same,
if not a bad seed of one another that is
so close that they appear the exact same as the
San Fernando Valley og cut. They both bred the same
in the in the bonnet crosses. And again like when
I had all those OG cuts, I think there's something

(54:32):
like twenty different OG cuts overall that were in that cross.
Because I wanted to see how every single one of
them crossed to a true breeding male, to get an
idea how each one breeds differently to this thing, to
see how closely their relations are, how well their their
dominance came through by running multiple of each Yeah, that

(54:55):
was one of my best experiments with OG, trying to
figure out OG. And Yeah, I'm excited to get you
a bunch of those two so you yourself can see
it because I think all important fucking data points.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
Yeah, I'm pretty stoked.

Speaker 5 (55:09):
I know that.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
I for sure. I think the first series of Pops is.

Speaker 5 (55:16):
Going to be the Bloopus Headband, the the Richard Simmons,
the fifty six by a bonnet, Yeah, and the Blue
Resin cush like all three together and let them fucking
duke it out.

Speaker 4 (55:34):
But I'm interested for you to add in the SFB
bonnet too, to see how how closely you feel the
relationship oh to.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
The Yeah no, did you throw that one.

Speaker 4 (55:45):
Into Yes, it's in there for you.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
Yeah, no, I'll definitely do that.

Speaker 4 (55:48):
Then there's Louis, there's Banana o G. There's motor Bus fifteen,
there's the Soul Assassin. There's all kinds of shit in
there for you. To be able to to comb through
and see these little news. There's the Boldfaced Liar, which
was named after a cut from a plaint not so
claims it was from him, called the Truth. That Mandel

(56:10):
brought Soul, which is a very og Kim type plant.
I'm assuming it's a Deadhead cross from old Swerve because
Swerve's Deadhead absolutely did make the rounds and that was
a Kim ninety one og cross. And I was responsible
for things like Loopu's head band and others.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
Dude, that's weird, So it's funny. I wonder what the
fuck I had.

Speaker 5 (56:35):
So I the reason why I've been doing the like
wanting to look at lumpus stuff, the Loopus head band hybrids,
it is because they get like into a range of
of og from another hybrid that I ran that supposedly

(56:55):
was dead Head o G. But what doesn't make sense
is it was rag though it.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
You know, I wonder what the fuck that was now.

Speaker 4 (57:08):
Yeah, there was also Staten Island Kim from Stony different
Stony than is a friend of ours, But this other
Stony was a good friend of mine and he was
passing it around and from day one when I grew
it out, I said, this is this is Deadhead. I'm
not fucking retarded, and he's like, yeah, you got me.

(57:29):
So there was a lot of Deadhead work out there
for people were growing swerve shit ad nauseum. But yeah,
I mean he did a real Kim ninety one s
f e O G quote unquote p X one, which
I doubt it was that. I've never seen him take
anything to b X one because he's a fucking loser.
But yeah, I think I think Deadhead did make the

(57:52):
rounds as well as l A. Confidential made the rounds
quite bit and people use them as og kush for
a lot time.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
Hmm. Interesting. Yep, Okay, this one's a long one.

Speaker 4 (58:09):
There was a lot to unlock there, so I'm glad
we got to go over it.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
Oh with the with the cam.

Speaker 5 (58:15):
Yeah, I figured that would be oh shit, I almost
forgot the second half the question. Okay, I've never grown KIM,
Should I try it or stick to og? That's from
that same person, alexis Digital.

Speaker 4 (58:29):
I mean the problem is trying to source KIM to anyone.
There's so many bad clone sellers out there selling cuts,
and if they have the cut, that cut is old tired.
It's thirty years old. It was never meant to live
this long. It's not a good representation of what it was.
If anything, I would tell you to go run matt
Elite's Resurrection to get an idea of what a real

(58:51):
KIM ninety one should have been like and get an
idea from that.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
Yeah, there's the the s ones.

Speaker 5 (59:08):
The s ones are pretty pretty darn consistent with the
ninety one from growing the ninety one s ones and
a couple of hybrids plus hybrids of the chemsis S
one and the kim D.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
I would say there's definitely more.

Speaker 5 (59:29):
Interesting stuff in the like Chem siss one hybrids and
Kim D hybrids than in KEEM ninety one hybrids.

Speaker 4 (59:35):
What's interesting to me is kim D and Kim siss
one are a far cry from KM ninety one. Like
obviously hybridized, they have a note that breeds true in
both of them, that is that mothballs, bad breath area
and that none of that's in KIM ninety one. So
to me, that's another clue that it's a hybrid with

(59:57):
the original mass super skunk that ended up being what
Geesel was as an S one.

Speaker 5 (01:00:04):
Well, and so what this is Actually this isn't a
question from there, but one of my questions. So chem
siss s one is also was also sometimes with some
people called kim a Right.

Speaker 4 (01:00:20):
Yeah, so there were two kim a's. I don't understand
if the first Kima was actually called kim sis or
if that was a later thing that Greg added on.
But kem Sis seems to be a CAM ninety one
direct relation the very first one. But whatever the second

(01:00:41):
was does seem to be a CHEM ninety one Mass
super skunk selection. But there were actually two kim sis
to kim a's, which leads to more confusion.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:00:54):
See, I was wondering if okay, so does that mean
that that A through d are actually just.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
Out of kim sys not CAM ninety one.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:01:06):
I think that the kim A through D is most
likely KIM ninety one cross the Mass super Skuk. That's
my best guess.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Okay, okay, this one is a long one. Are you ready?

Speaker 4 (01:01:22):
I am ready?

Speaker 5 (01:01:23):
And I think before before I read it, I want
to say, I think that it is a good observation
that you're having, Maurice Callith, a really good observation on
the kind of the scene that we're in here, Okay,

(01:01:43):
he said, You know what, I can't find much info on.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
From someone interested in breeding.

Speaker 5 (01:01:50):
It's really hard to find out how people actually apply
the techniques. I think we just try what we think
will work relative to what we wanted to create, so
I have.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
To figure it out as we go.

Speaker 5 (01:02:03):
I can't find much on how certain breeders actually breed,
what cuts are they using, etc. If they're using feminized
or regular as well. We just get to hear maybe
BX or F one, et cetera, and not much else.
I just know that there's more going on than that.

(01:02:24):
I just want to dig a little deeper and compare
how people do it to create certain genetics, rather than
just fill in the gap in between, if you know
what I mean. There's quite a lot of ways to breed,
and it would help a lot of us out here
with relative interest to show us how it's done.

Speaker 4 (01:02:46):
To me, there's not quite a lot of ways to breed.
There's a very standard practice on how to breed. I
think most people don't understand things like the question I get,
how do you select a mail? I select a mail
based on the current project, and we're breeding for traits.
We're not looking at.

Speaker 9 (01:03:06):
Oh it's going to fucking stem, that's the hallow. I'm
gonna use all of that. Or oh, a short squat
like a female, I'm gonna go with that one. Or
if it's an early flower, or I'm gonna yank that
one because people have said that's more hempy like.

Speaker 4 (01:03:20):
There's not rules like that that most breeders apply. You're
breeding for individual traits, and I will agree with him.
Ninety nine percent of people selling seeds can't speak on
that level when it comes to breeding because they don't
have that understanding. It is very fucking hard to navigate. However,
there are many people like me CSI other people out

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there that denote everything we possibly can about the strain.
We will talk about the provenance of the strain, where
it comes from, every link along the way, to make
sure that we are getting what we are supposed to
be getting, comparing it to old pictures, you know, going
in depth detail on why we chose what we did

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in that particular instance for that project. So there are
people doing it. If he watches the show, he would
be more aware of that, but it is few and
far between, and that there's no doubt about that. So
he needs to just find breeders who are able to
speak on that stuff. If someone tells you, oh, yeah,

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I crossed this thing, and then I crossed it to
another polyhybrid, and then I took that and crossed it
to another polyhybrid, and I took that and crossed it
to another polyhybrid. Because it's the Mendo away, like, you're
not going to find what you're looking for there. In
terms of getting good answers on why things were chosen, provenance,

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any of it. A lot of these guys are popping
bag seed from the hills of Mendo and just taking
people's words at it. We have VIA's own testimony recorded
on the channel saying how he just gets whatever people
give him and crosses it, and that's that he doesn't
care if it's the real thing or not. As long

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as he puts, you know, I got this as blank,
then that should be enough for you to figure out
if he's correct or not. And it's just not that helpful.
JJ New York does the same thing. If you are
very serious about finding stuff with good provedance, it's there.
It is absolutely there. If you're looking for stuff with

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a breakdown, breakdown on how it was bred why it
was bred the traits people were looking for, how one
will shorten the other's flower time, if that was the
reason it was selected, if it was selected for purple
stock traits, because we know that's a link trait to
other things that's there. But yeah, it's a it's a

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broad paint brush stroke to paint all breeders with, but
it doesn't apply to all reads.

Speaker 5 (01:06:01):
Yes, well, so the reason why I wanted to make
sure to read that one is because I think it's
a good because it's the same thing that I felt
for a while, you know, watching these shows, you know,
like you're spending time with who you think is your
people and shit like that, and like in the live chats, Yeah,
maybe some of those people. You know, there's a lot

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of our peers out there, you know, but you I
totally get it because I spent time at Hey, why
did you you know? Like, why did why did you
select that one? Why did you like? What made you
want to use that one? What are you hoping to
find in the next generation? Simple questions that literally you

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could just ask a grow an actual grower, you know,
like stuff about a selection, and they'll be able to
tell you the person who fucking used it in a
free program, damn sure better be able to tell you.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
And if they don't, you shouldn't buy their seed. Like
it's that It's very simple.

Speaker 5 (01:07:04):
When you're asking them these questions and you're getting answer
said sound like someone who didn't make it, it's probably
either because they didn't or they don't understand enough to
be able to actually give you those answers.

Speaker 4 (01:07:21):
That's why I always say walk before you run, because
if you have a seed company, you're eventually going to
run into someone who knows about breeding more than you
do and will ask hard questions, and if you can't
answer them, then you're going to have issues in an
event eventually end up getting blasted, which you should if
this is your career and your livelihood and not just

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that something you devoted your life to. It's not very
hard to then chase down these role you know, these
roles of people who have been making these claims and
getting to the bottom of it. Like I can think
of a thousand people off the top of my head.
If you ask anything about breeding, they're instantly going to
lock up and ignore you. And is that someone you

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want to buy seeds from? Because other people say they're cool.
That's up to you, Like how much you trust in
that after after hearing and reading that.

Speaker 8 (01:08:17):
Yeah, Well, and you know, do you want to waste
the next three months just growing based on hope you know?
Or do you want to spend that three months growing
something that you like? Hey, I want to check I
want to check out a good og, you know, like
and actually fucking being able to experience that.

Speaker 4 (01:08:39):
Yeah, And I mean three months if people think don't
seem to think that, that may be a long time.
But when it comes down to it, you're sacrificing any
other projects you're doing to avoid pollen contamination. You are
going out of your way to waste time with your
electricity and spend money on it, with your lights, your water,

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your newance. It all becomes a very expensive venture when
you're just going off the cuff.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
Yep, and on something that might not really work.

Speaker 4 (01:09:11):
Yeah. I've heard that time and time again from Blue
Sky's Vienna's people. You know, people who run into him first,
god knows how they end up at him first, or
Todd McCormick and end up very frustrated and come to
me in the end. And I just say, go see
any episode where you mentioned these dudes, and I've gone
into detail on why I feel like these guys may

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not be necessarily selling seeds that aren't what they say
they are. In the case of Blue Skuys Vienna, that's
exactly what he's doing. But the case of Todd, he
is sourcing these seeds from people. But when you're doing
a two to five seed pop, you have no idea
where you're taking a strain at all. And he's never

(01:09:56):
been a breeder, he doesn't understand breeding science. This is
a fairly recent thing with him making seeds. It was
a good way for him to capitalize on his name
being well known and to capitalize on his friends group
telling him he can make them money from seeds. And
that's just the fact of the matter. You wouldn't hire

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you wouldn't hire a shitty plumber to come fix your toilet,
you know, because you know shit might be flying out
of it ten hours later and just screwed, wasted money,
wasted time, and now you're covered in shit.

Speaker 5 (01:10:33):
Nope, And it's it's I mean, it's the majority of
especially like especially for new guys. That's something that we
you know, kind of jokingly called new trapped because that
literally what the business survives on.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
Yeah, you're cool and stoked.

Speaker 5 (01:10:51):
Because you're growing weed for the first time and you
know you're getting some stuff. But after a couple of
years you end up starting to if you're at least
if you're on with your stell and at tentative a
little bit and care, you end up start piecing together.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
Man, something's not fucking right here.

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What else do we got?

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
So this is I wanted to make sure to do
this one next.

Speaker 5 (01:12:47):
Okay it is actually our last one, but I feel
like it will spin off into a conversationely.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
So this is from Denver Nudes, right. I love the show.

Speaker 5 (01:13:01):
I'd really like to see you guys do a home
growth GUS breeding project from concept all the way through
testing the offspring and that, you know, I feel like
they're you know, like what that one guy was talking
about was, you know, a good point because a lot

(01:13:23):
of people really don't and there you know, there's obvious
technical reasons why, thanks to YouTube and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
Yeah, but I think that that I think that is
a really good suggestion that we should, you know, maybe
brainstorm right now about No.

Speaker 4 (01:13:41):
I think it's a great idea. I think some people
may not know who have been with us for a
shorter period of time. We used to show grows, we
used to do reviews, all kinds of stuff. But what
ended up happening was that people who do not like
our show, people who have competitive shows, or people who
just don't don't like it in general because they have
seed companies and maybe they fail. Their seed company hasn't

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gotten the best shining here for them to run their fraud.
They report the show anytime there are any pictures of anything,
and YouTube happily obliges them. So with that said, it
makes it a little more complicated to do this. However,
we can show this stuff on Discord, and we do
have great Discord meetups. We also have Twitch, so I

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implore you guys to sign up for Twitch. We are
going to be using Twitch more in the near future
to be able to show stuff like this because we're
sick of not being able to show stuff like this. Yeah,
I think it's a it's a it's a wonderful idea
seed to start to finish to breeding projects all of that.
I also want to do a cloning how to how

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to move clones from point A to point B without
having those clones turn into wet lettuce in transportation and
little cars that are like ovens, and I want to
be able to do stuff like that. However, because of
how everything's been flagged, that again is something I'd have
to show on Twitch or in its own separate video.

(01:15:16):
I don't know how long it would stay up, but
I do think it's worth doing. We've sown how to
crack and germinate seeds. That's a far back episode, but
it's maintained relevancy until now. There's a lot of stuff
I'd love to do, but I really do like that idea.
I think it's important and it's just a matter of
figuring out the technical ways to get it done without

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getting banned by I hate using the word haters, but
people who don't like the show, that aren't a part
of the show, that don't have the knowledge that the
show is bringing to it and are very jealous for
one reason, or another, and there's really nothing to be
jealous of here. We don't even get that many hits.
So yeah, what are your thoughts? Script?

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
So we talked to me and you have talked about
this before. How ends Twitch in that regard? Are we
cool over there or yes?

Speaker 4 (01:16:11):
But we don't have the audience over there that even
remotely compares to what we have over here. Subscription wise,
we are already demonetized on YouTube permanently. I've tried resubmitting.
They say we are dangerous content, which is how we've
been reported, and it doesn't apply, which is once we

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stop showing seeds pictures of bud growing, that all that
stuff was halted. But Twitch seems to take things more
into context. They have humans going over it, and context
matters with everything. If we're not showing people horrible shit
and we're just showing growing, I think that they tolerate

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it much more. So I implore you guys to follow
us over on Twitch. It is a very important thing. Yeah,
and so be able to do this stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:17:06):
So okay, this is so exactly what that guy was saying,
because you know, like we you know, a bunch of
people in the group have been uh, you know, like
there's what they do just for themselves for what you know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
Obviously there's breeders who sell seeds and stuff. But I
was wondering how you feel about like a Twitch.

Speaker 5 (01:17:34):
Exclusive where it's exactly that, you know, like, because we
can't actually show stuff doing you know, like live you know,
tutorials or you know, like shit, I plan on attempting
a reversal. Yeah, I could totally record, you know, record

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the whole thing, and we do it exclusive over there,
and I mean people can watch whether I fail or not.

Speaker 4 (01:18:03):
So yeah, no, I think it's great. I think it's
a great idea. Trying to implement how we can move
people over to see that. I think we could do
like a small advertisement on YouTube saying go watch this
if you want to see it over there, and hope
that that moves some people over. I'm fairly new to Twitch.
It's very hard for me to use. I haven't quite

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figured it out, but I'm working on my ways of
figuring it out. But there are a few people who've
moved over, and I think that's great. And I want
to be doing giveaways over there because fuck why not,
and we can't do that here. It's very frustrating. So
we should be able to do giveaways to see people
on our channel so that they can participate in some

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of this stuff. Some of these guys' best ways to
become a part of that is to join the discord
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fights for us to all watch together to one thing
we're going to implement, implement more watching new movies over
there streamed. Yeah, and the community over there in itself
is worth it ten tenfold, but we've kept it low.
We haven't raised the price none of that. With the
economy shifting in hopes that it isn't so damaging to

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anyone's poppet that anyone can participate in this and learn
and see some of the stuff that isn't available on YouTube.

Speaker 2 (01:19:38):
Yeah, because this, like all like all of that is
literally happening right now.

Speaker 5 (01:19:43):
It's been happening in the server, you know, like watching
people attempting reversals.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
And you know, like talking about.

Speaker 5 (01:19:53):
Exactly what their pinpointed goal is and why they're using
the individual cuts they are all of those things.

Speaker 4 (01:20:01):
Yeah, yeah, I think it's very important, I really do.
So Twitch is the option for that. There's also something
called Kick that I've never used. They seem to have
a fairly decent user base. I haven't looked deeply into it.
I don't know if it's as a complex as Twitch,
where you need to know obs, not just stream yard,

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but you need to know obs and blah blah blah.
Though I do think stream yard does air over on Twitch,
and I also don't know how to make it save
the videos for perpetuity so people can reference it over time.
And that's one thing we do got to learn before
we put the effort into uploading it there and just
watching it disappear.

Speaker 2 (01:20:44):
Yeah, that is.

Speaker 1 (01:20:45):
That is.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
That is, But it might also work in our favor
getting people over there if it's like, hey, watch it.

Speaker 5 (01:20:56):
Yeah, it does, but you know, like not every you know,
considering we have an international.

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
Audience, you know, I mean, fuck.

Speaker 4 (01:21:07):
Yeah, we have some killer international dudes for.

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
Sure, and watching it stick thirty in the morning.

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No, I do not have any more pulled comments. Do
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Don't overwater them, give them a dry time out. I've
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