What Is The Cannaluminati - Are There Diddy Parties_ Hops Latent Viroid Seed Transmissability - Breeders Syndicate 3.0

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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is Matthew, owner of Riot Seeds, and this started as
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Speaker 6 (01:33):
Hey, what's up everyone? Welcome to Reader Syndicate. I'm Matthew
and I'm here today with Screwsten. Chucky is am I A.
He might show up at some point, but we don't
know whe the fuck he's that right now. Anyway, today
we're going to be talking about a few things. There
he is, just as I said it. There he is. Welcome, Chucky?

Speaker 2 (01:52):
What up there he is? Would you think I wasn't
going to fucking show up?

Speaker 6 (01:56):
I thought you were asleep from yes, caught on the
dope rope.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
I thought you was out throwing out a bunch of
plan a bunch of clones into the woods.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Uh something like that. My wife fucking stole my soul earlier,
and I'm uh, you know, lagging behind, dude, my internet,
you know my internet has been fucked up. We got
an email the other day, Uh problem our internet provider
and said, like world wide are shit's fucked up right now?
So it might cut out a little bit, So I
do apologize. What's up everybody? I'm sorry the sex SpaceX.

Speaker 6 (02:31):
Yes, good old Elon, always reliable.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Hey, it's better than what I had before.

Speaker 6 (02:37):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
I used to have to run off like a fucking
three G phone. Bro, And I wouldn't be able to
do podcasts if I was still doing that, so that.

Speaker 6 (02:45):
Would be a shame. So today we're going to talk
about one. We're gonna cover calumin naughty stuff. What it is,
what it isn't maybe won't tell you anything too. We
have a paper to go over with HBOV. I think
that's h PV, I don't know HPV, HPV stream thirteen
something like that. And then we have I don't know.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
Q and A.

Speaker 6 (03:09):
So putting your questions in the chat after the show,
leave comments. We'll use this as the next show and
we'll respond to your questions and comments there. So make
sure to leave a comment question like subscribe all that
good shit?

Speaker 3 (03:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (03:22):
Off, how's your guys? How's your guys? A week since
we last saw you?

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Go ahead, screw, I always talk bro, you go first today.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
Uh, but it's going on right. Some things happen personally
that we're big, but you know, just trucking along the transition.

Speaker 6 (03:44):
You're talking about transition.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
Yeah, you cut my waiter off.

Speaker 6 (03:49):
Yeah, that is a big step, brother.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Did you cut it off or someone else cut it off?
And then when they did or did if you did,
did you throw it in the middle of a field?
Kind of planted to get a reattached become a porn star.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
You'll you'll have to join my only fans to see.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Get the extension. Yeah, you know, pretty good week, dude.
I've just been busy. I'm I got my outdoor rolling
and indoors so I'm oh man, just yeah, and it's
been more it's been a little warm this week. Man,
It's it's been a little warm. I gotta say, matt Uh,
I had to get there well here last couple of
days it's been like nineties. But it's it'll rain like

(04:30):
early in the morning or midday, dude, and then it's
fucking uh you know, eighty ninety humidity the rest afternoon.

Speaker 6 (04:38):
So but walking inside of someone's asshole.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yeah, It's what's weird is this summer is it's been
warmer up here than it has been back at home
in Kentucky, so it's kind of kind of weird, dude. Yeah,
but yeah, just working on the greenhouse. Got a little greenhouse.
Had a badass storm last night, dude. I was out
there lightning and everything, huddled on the ground holding onto
the sta a bro hoping the motherfucker don't blow away.

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It's pretty bad. That's about it.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
Yeah, that was your weak Matt.

Speaker 6 (05:12):
We just got back credit card processing or i should
say debit, Apple pay and Google pay up, which has
been a long journey. I mean the last time we
had something called max Redemption that worked a lot of
people in the seat business were working and all of
a sudden it was just gone. So a lot of
companies are like, well, what the hell are we going
to do now? Like, you gotta have something work. So
now this is something called m wire, So if you,

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if you guys are interested, a lot of seat companies
can be using this. So if you have an account
of m wire, you can use that across all companies
using mwire an account, so sign up for an account
there and you can check out with us using Apple pay, Google.

Speaker 7 (05:45):
Pay or debit.

Speaker 6 (05:46):
So Yeah, that's kind of cool having.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
That back Listen, man, let me speak some game, let
me spit some stuff, let me cook for just the
second guys. Gals out there, master card visa, go fuck yourself, guys.
We need to bring some awareness because they're controlling us.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
This ain't free market. What's a fucking free market? We
can't even operate out here, guys. They are shutting us
down with the credit cards. They go to the visas.
They say, Listen, these guys are doing something that well,
we don't really like and we don't really agree with,
so we're not gonna let them do payments. Uh, you
guys need to go to visa massacar. Tell them we're
tired of it. Quick shutting us down. If it's against

(06:21):
the law, I understand, but we're just trying to make
a living. Leave us fuck alone, guys, right, cards guys,
they ruing people's lives, man, and nobody they escape. They
do all this ship to us, guys, and not just
in the we world, to everybody. Scam motherfuckers everything, bro,
fuck them, man, all right, Matt, Wow, it.

Speaker 6 (06:44):
Was close to political for Chucky almost there.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
Bullshit, man, that these motherfuckers out here doing all this
nasty ship on the internet and then we can't even
do what we trying to do on some seeds fam
you know.

Speaker 6 (06:56):
Yeah, I mean back in the day, I was the
one teaching everyone how to use how to accept credit
cards when it was not very safe, not very kosher,
but you had to do some things. But it worked
back then, and you know, people, people were running on
it nine ten years like that, and then all of
a sudden, overnight it was just like no more, you know, Yeah,

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there went my consulting business too for credit cards, So
it was a lot overnight. That shit sucks of these
banks and a lot of people don't know that, like
MasterCard and Visa are charging two hundred and fifty thousand
dollars per transaction if they catch you doing that, so
a lot of people are taking the risk. I'm not
taking that risk anymore from that, you know. That's I
know two seed banks that have been caught with that

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and hit by them, So it's not even.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
Worth it at that point, bro, I put up he
told you, I put up three shirts, nothing else and
immediately they shut us down. Dude, which dude, like, I
get it. If you're in a place where it's illegal, bro.
And if you're doing illegal shit, I get it, bro,
But it's not fair that all these other people do
this fucked up shit and the interest rates that they're

(08:03):
charging on motherfuckers thirty percent type shit. Yeah, running people's lives.
And then it's like, man, we can't. We're just trying
to work and do what we're trying to do, and
you know what the fuck man?

Speaker 6 (08:13):
Yeah, I see all kinds of wild shit research chemicals
and stuff being sold. People say great, even people so
I get some read online, but I mean even people
doing that. It's like seeds, bro.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Just seeds fam goddamn, you know.

Speaker 6 (08:27):
And this is something else that that I want people
to understand too, with a lot of people siting up
to different things that we have going. Seats are are
not necessarily covered under the farm bill, despite what people say.
And even after the big beautiful build, they kind of
sealed all that up any chance of anything being into
the big farm or yeah, the farm bill. So yeah,

(08:50):
be careful what you do. Realize what industry you're in.
Don't assume everything's kosher. Don't leave messages with your ship
like hey, thanks for the like an idiot, because you're
shutting your self down and shutting someone else down. So
be smart, you know, be smart with what you do.
Realize what industry you're in. I shouldn't. I don't have
to tell the older guys this. There's a lot of
younger folks in here that assume that everything's kosher. Keep

(09:13):
saying kosher just because I don't know any other word
to use.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
That wouldn't be cool, man, we just said cool.

Speaker 6 (09:18):
Wouldn't Yeah, isn't cool?

Speaker 2 (09:20):
So yeah, I.

Speaker 6 (09:24):
Wanted to express because I've seen people saying like, oh, yeah,
do this, or they're gonna make this illegal, blah blah blah.
It's like it hadn't even made it to that point.
So shut the fuck up. You're making people think it
is and.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
We're ranting, Matt, I'll rant all day today. I'm getting
I'm getting semi political with the visas and the master cards.

Speaker 6 (09:46):
Man, No, you better step back.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Just let me buy what I want to buy. Fam
Is this not the United States of America?

Speaker 6 (09:55):
Did you watch the South Park yet?

Speaker 2 (09:57):
No? No, I haven't watched dude. I've watched like very
little South Park in the last like fifteen years.

Speaker 6 (10:03):
To be honest with hey, I haven't I stopped after
season two. I've watched like the Spooky Ghost episode, I've watched.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Lord of the Ring and that's about it. Did you
watch the Lord of the Rings one?

Speaker 1 (10:13):
No?

Speaker 2 (10:14):
No, World of Warcraft one was good. I watched. That's
probably the last few ones I really watched.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
Bro.

Speaker 6 (10:21):
This one was epic. Like I'm not even a big
fan of South Park's humor, like I like double and
Triple on Pondred type humor and creative, and I just
think it's like pot of humor. I'm like, that's fuck.
But I watched it and I was like, Okay, even
though it's blunt, this is what we need right now,
and it's fucking hilarious, hilarious. So yeah, did you watch

(10:43):
the History? Uh?

Speaker 3 (10:45):
Yeah, I started Why I watched the first half of
it earlier today when you posted that link. I think
it's fucking like the timing the time is apparently they
hate Paramount like what like because Paramounts fucked them over
several times and that's like why they were trying to

(11:08):
go so ridiculous that they'd get canceled, because they just
wanted to stop. Yeah, and so they really fucked Paramount
in this in their merger deal after getting paid a
ridiculous sum of money. One dude, that's a lot of costs.

Speaker 6 (11:32):
Yeah, relax, that's right.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Relax, relax and do it put your body into it.

Speaker 6 (11:43):
So there's those two things. There was some other news
crap about cannabis I saw, but none of it matters
right now. So what we are going to talk about
today is there was a science paper we were looking
at and it has to do I think believe Farmer
Dans originally post it in. It was put together or
at least some of the work was done by too

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Me Genomics, who we've interviewed before, and you can go
back search in our channel history and you can find
that interview and it was on hop slate and viroid
back then. And this is an updated paper since the
moment we talked to them, I believe, because they had
different results at the time.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
Yes, this this is new, new, well new in the
in the sense of like pretty sure it was this year, yeah,
but our twenty twenty four. But yeah, so they so
Texas A and M they have like they went pretty

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heavy into like hemp research, and so they did this
paper along with to me doing the the actual testing
for new it's called New Insights into Hoppling Viroid Detection, infectivity,
host range, and transmission. And we'll post a link in

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for the pdf in the in the comments section. But
essentially the part that we were most interested in, right
is because before you know, everyone's talked about, you know,
seed transmissibility of HLV, and you know, we were going

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off of the eight percent that's been studied in the
normal host species of pops and this, I mean, this
paper is saying that it's fifty eight to eighty percent
transmissible through seed through hemp seed, depending on like which

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parent was the infected parent. Because they did this two ways.
They did infected moms with healthy dads healthy pollen donors,
and then healthy moms and infected dads. And we can

(14:15):
in the introduction here just to kind of explain HLV
it is. Viroids are pathogenic circular RNAs that have no
encoded proteins, so similar to viral pathogens, they enter the

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cell and rely on host factors and enzymes to achieve
successful infection. So they don't actually like make anything on
their own, they just take it. Yeah. Yeah, see here
on the second page, it talks about mechanical and low

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level seed transmission was proven for HLV at percent.

Speaker 6 (15:02):
That's that's still pretty high considering what we're looking at
and what we're using and how many people are growing seeds. Yes,
and that's so that's for clones though. Mechanical transmission right.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
Uh yeah, so mechanical transmission is is through like SAP
to plant, so either through your tools, through your cloning
trays whatever. It shows here that the losses to the
hemp industry already are estimated to be four billion dollars
per year.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
See.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
Yeah, and they're talking about I mean, I'm sure they're
also talking about loophole businesses, but the majority of what
Texas A and M does is you know, actual agricultural
hint for fiber and protein and oil stuff like that. Yeah,

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so that's a that's an immense amount of crop loss.
That is huge.

Speaker 6 (16:00):
Yeah, it's a lot of money too. Now in this paper,
does it say anything about drug drug type cannabis, if
there's a difference between the two in their eyes, any
of that stuff.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
No, not that I have found. They've they have strictly
just you know, you used hemp is what it says.
I believe the what they did use. Hold on, I
believe what they used was cherry Wine. Hold on it
says it in here, oh boys, and cherry wine.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
I got some of those seeds, ma'am.

Speaker 6 (16:39):
If you got the Auto two and all that other crap, bayox,
I got everything boocks. I don't even know how to
pronounce that b A o X. That was the one
that I saw a lot and bubba cush hamp bubba hamp.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
Somebody said that there were trying to watch on Twitch,
but they're having some weird connect issues. What's up?

Speaker 3 (17:02):
Drop Rock?

Speaker 2 (17:03):
Do you rock? How you say that welcome? Welcome, y'all?

Speaker 6 (17:07):
See how we're doing on twitch if it's even working.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
Sorry for cutting in there, I just gotta I saw
somebody say something about we got to reviewers on Twitch.
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (17:21):
A little welcome graphic. Okay, go ahead. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
So they used cherry Wine for for how they maintained
and propagated the viroid to use in this study that
they got from from to me. Okay, and so in
doing this, and so they they did a bunch of

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a bunch of other to see the host range of it,
see if it could be on other things. But in
regarding to the the actual cannabis that they did. So
they were in two experiments, the three infected females and

(18:09):
pollen from a healthy male and then three healthy females
with pollen from an infected male. They it says that
they replicated it three times each experiment. That's not bad, No,
it's not. But that's nine hundred plants total.

Speaker 8 (18:32):
Yeah, and in in the first treatment, which was the
infected females, they got eighty four point three percent HLVD
positive from lord from popping seeds.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
Now, my first when when someone brought this up in chat,
I guess last year when it first dropped, my first
thought was, like, I wonder how they're pop the seeds,
what they're doing, you know, like to make sure that
it's not something on the outside of it, because obviously
it's being it's being grown inside of affected tissue. And

(19:12):
they it shows that they used bleach three three times.
Did a watch with bleach?

Speaker 2 (19:23):
But you know, like you guys know just as well
as I do, especially like in a giant room with
a lot of plants and stuff, like with a lot
of nokes in corners, like it's hard to get every
fucking little spot, like, so they get in the same
rooms and everything or do they move rooms.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
Or like, Oh, I'm sure they didn't have a room,
but it doesn't say hold on.

Speaker 6 (19:46):
It says that they propagated the seeds themselves, I guess
to me, and if they're popping. They said they let
them get to the seventh node, which is fairly large
for what I was expecting for them, and that will
take space. I don't know how much space using if
it's indoor, outdoor, what have you. There was something else
I was thinking of that that sounded kind of odd,

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but yeah, I mean, Jimmy is very, very competent when
it comes to HLV. We interviewed them. They were doing
the most work with it at the time and the
most testing, so I was very interested in seeing this.
An eighty percent number does seem fatalistic when it comes
to cannabis. I don't know how that would really work

(20:32):
in practice this with HLV. You been around as long
as it has been. I have pretty good insight into
who was working with dugs during what era, especially in
friends groups and other breeders, and how long they were
working with them, and how many seeds were being sold. Roughly,
and this would be the end of cannabis gardens for

(20:53):
a long time. If eighty percent was really what was
going on with it?

Speaker 3 (21:00):
Yeah, I mean, dude, that's what you think, right, like, yeah,
we're talking. I mean, fuck, that would be you know,
more than three quarters of the seeds that you pop
having that that risk of it, And it just does
not seem in practice, like in the real world to
that that number could be that high.

Speaker 6 (21:22):
You know. Yeah, with patient zero according to to me
having been sour Dove and sour Duve being a parent
of GG four, the amount of GG four clones that
went out, it was the most sold clone for a
few years in a row, if not five years. You know,
it doesn't make much sense to me, to be honest,

(21:44):
I don't like being skeptical of any science papers. I
like taking their data, looking at it, applying it. But
in like practical application and knowing what's what's what and
going where, it doesn't make a ton of sense.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
Mm So, Matt, for people who are watching, maybe some
people that have never heard of this paper or hl
VD or any of that shit, what's some stuff. I mean,
I know that some of it can be asymptomatic, but
what's some signs for people at home that if they

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run into something like this. What are some signs that.

Speaker 6 (22:25):
They have it, You know, if you're growing any seeds
from and I was going to bust a joke about someone,
but I don't want to get sued. Yeah. No. Some
of the signs are like yellowing. I remember one of
the clones that I had that was dutted that we
were looking at and kind of knew was doutted. It
was letting. Each it would have basically two layers of leaves,

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two notes worth of leaves. No matter how big it got,
whether it was six feet tall or four feet tall,
it would eat up all the leaves below those two layers.
It would only keep two healthy layers. That's one. Another
sign would be the stems, the coloration of the stems,
Like usually you'll see a little bit of red stripes
in the stocks or something, you know, see more texture
in the stocks. But with this you wouldn't see much texture.

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It would look real rubbery, would break super easy. You
couldn't bend it. It would snap immediately when you bent it.
It was a very crisp. A lot of other trades
are like the ninety degree angles of branching, so you'd
have you know, things grew up like this, and then
the branches that would have buds would be out or
almost completely out. Maybe a little bit of a curve up,

(23:29):
but not much. That was another trade. But like the
problem was, you could have one of these things and
not have you know, five of the others and think, okay,
well it doesn't have all these other ones. I'm in
the clear. Or you could have two of them, or
you could have all of them, which would make it
real obvious. Now when things go into flower, the yield
is down tremendously and the tricone production is markedly less.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
Like, yeah, that's less. That's something they noted in the
paper that the essential oil production is dramatically reduced.

Speaker 6 (24:04):
Yeah. I think that's when most people noticed it early on,
was when they're like, Okay, this is a clone I've
grown for, you know, nine years, and all of a sudden,
it's completely different than every other time I've grown it.
What's going on? And usually when that was the case,
it was they also brought in clones from a homie
not much long before that, you know, like like we

(24:25):
talked about or two we had mentioned previously, Patient zero
being sour dub. One of the first mentions of this
was Gray Skull on ic Mad talking about a sour
Dug clone, the first real sign of dutting where someone
took it public and was like, hey, what is this.
We need to figure this out. This is obviously something
it's not supposed to be doing. It's never been like this.

(24:47):
I don't know if that's why it was identified as
patient zero or they have more genetic data to identify that.
But sour dubbed it a lot to a lot and
do you know what year that was?

Speaker 3 (24:58):
Do you remember? No?

Speaker 6 (25:00):
I don't remember.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
I don't. I don't want to throw it.

Speaker 6 (25:02):
You're out there, it's wrong, but probably sixty two. Yeah,
I don't know. But there are also sour Dove clothes
out there that don't have it. So not to say
if you have a sour Dub you should throw it out.
I don't want to do that. But it was passed
prior to this being introduced. But Grayscobe was also the
person who popped those seeds, so it was very early
on when it happened.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
Mhm.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
Zed Stumper in the chat says, Chucky, bless my crops please, Okay,
I'll make it quick. Okay.

Speaker 6 (25:31):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
Spectacles, testicles, wallet and watch Kim God please make sure
Zed's stomper's run isn't botched.

Speaker 6 (25:41):
There you go. That was the prayer from Chucky.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
There you go, Bro, that's all I got. I'm too high?
What a farmer?

Speaker 6 (25:50):
Dan? What up?

Speaker 2 (25:50):
Appy? What if? Everybody in the chat thanks for stopping by.
We're riffing just a little bit my bath for interruptance group.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
H Well. So one of the things that actually came
a question that came up pretty quickly when we were
talking about this paper by Bitter was whether or not
the plants were actually showing symptoms or not. And they
specifically note in the paper that all of the plants
were asymptomatic at time of testing. They tested both leaf

(26:23):
sap from leaf samples and roots.

Speaker 6 (26:29):
And I remember when Timmy was on they were talking
about the root zone being very important to test, like
that was the highest level that they had d at
that time.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
Yeah, it actually shows up in this paper the ones
that there in all of them, the root samples showed
but not the leaf samples and the same individuals that
popped hot.

Speaker 6 (26:54):
So it festers in the root zone. So if any
of you are wanting to get your stuff tested, send
some of to me your root zone, And I say
to me, because they've been doing it the longest, I
think they're still accepting submissions from tests.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
Hopefully I'm not from this paper. It seemed like they just, uh,
we're using a like trade named test that to me runs.

Speaker 7 (27:23):
You got a question there, Screw, As an organic grower,
do you do anything to tone down the biology when
growing blueberry eye exerts crosses due to blueberries known dislike
for nitrogen.

Speaker 6 (27:34):
Prepping to run some of my next.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
Run, I have had a problem with with that triangle
choke cut like it it was so sensitive to nitrogen that,
I mean even just in the soil, it's kind of
pushing itself any bit of hydrolyu state or any extra
end and it starts clawing up instantly. Yep. Yeah, you

(28:01):
just gotta take it, you know, take it low and
slow with those blueberry ones and you will not be disappointed. Haha.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
Organic growers, Yeah, Like throw some pro mix in and
and get some cannon mar.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
The blueberry comes out good in soil too. You just
you gotta because some of some of them don't have
that problem like that. Uh, the chem ciss one by
by Bonnet no issues. I could feed it all fucking day,
no issues. Same with the peaberry, same with Honestly, most

(28:46):
of them have been you know, not nowhere near as
sensitive as the triangle choke.

Speaker 6 (28:51):
At least triangle choke clawed up pretty hard. I remember
that the amount of resonant kick too, that was also
pulling the leaves in.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
Yeah, it's it's quite a resin machine. Yeah you still
keep Oh dude, I'm flowering it out right now.

Speaker 6 (29:10):
Awesome. Awesome. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
I want to go through more of those packs though,
to to uh try and find one that's I don't know,
because just more a little bit more blueberry in there
with all of the same traits that I have, because
that first run was pretty blueberry for me. But since
it's kind of I don't know, it's like the better

(29:35):
that I grow it, the less blueberry she wants she
wants to be, you know, kind of fucking neglected a bit.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
Yeah, I like that ship I got. I mean, I
ran the I x Is with the Canna Tara in
the Fox Farm, and uh, it came out really great.
I didn't really have any problems with it.

Speaker 6 (29:58):
But someone asked about the little Finger, which is, uh,
it's called that because it's AJ sour and AJ looks
like a little like a busted up version a little
Finger from Game of Thrones. So yeah, it has sour
in it, so it's gonna have more like in all
five Hays in it somewhere in its progeny or not progeny.
And it's fucking its teens. So I don't know with that.

(30:22):
It's hard to say. I haven't had any issues with
that because it was pretty broad leaf. Broad leaves tend
to do pretty well with nitrogen sensitivity, like the peaberry.
You can feed that all day heavy because Bubba and
cats and bubb are used to that ship. So yeah,
I don't know. You might see a distribution between them
and see some variants so deadly. I got all my

(30:45):
shit happy. Now I'm stoked. Got off the organic everything,
trying to play organic games and amendments, went back to
bottles and chro mix, and.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
I mean the base of I mean really, organics is
just like making a good soil, you know what I'm saying,
And then you know managing, which which is less than
you know less, it's more type of situation manual labor.

Speaker 6 (31:15):
Nope, Nope, feeding spoonfuls to each plant.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
Why can't it take it? I don't know, And you
fly me out on the company credit card. Man, I'll
do all the work.

Speaker 6 (31:29):
It's black too. It's that black card, black card because
we're Candia. We get the black card.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
Hey, before we get more deep into this and I
forget little side note. We've talked about the bull Rider before, Matt,
but I don't know if we talked about the flavor
on it. The smell, I don't know.

Speaker 6 (31:50):
Old Betsy, Old Betsy, yes, talking about mango eas poop,
skochy skunk oney.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
Yeah, I'm I'm running out some of those, uh Betsy,
Old Betsy night and Betsy's nightmare, I think is what
it is by Pop for the grow Compani and uh,
most of them are like that, more muted like blueberry smell.
But there's a there's one dude that man, it smells
like kind of meaty, bro and like salty. I don't know, Bro,

(32:25):
it's really cool, but it looks like the more of
like a blue dream plant, but it looks it smells nice.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Uh, it's kind of interesting. So I was kind of
curious if you came across that. Maybe Pock's in the chat.
Maybe Pop would know better. I don't know, being he
made the seeds, but yeah, I thought that was interesting.
And I also thought that it was interesting, uh with
the Blue Dream in it, dude, like the the kind
of blue coming out on it, Dude, this kind of

(32:56):
I don't know, nice smells. Dude. I gotta say I
like the Blueberry the act a little bit better. It's
it's just so intense, right, But uh, only pop like
six so that being said, right, I mean I've only
I'm only running six of these old Betsy nightmares, so
I don't know, but that one was really interesting. I

(33:16):
just wanted to ask you about it.

Speaker 6 (33:18):
That's weird, dude. It's another one of the ones that
semi autom flowering, never stops flowering, stay like that one
stays it like we do a flower permanently. It's an
old clone. And you mentioned Bull Writer. It is Bull
Writer's sister, as best we know from the stories and
that were passed down very heavy. Mango baby ship is

(33:39):
uh common consensus.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Interesting. I could see where that pairs up with the
the blue from the Blue Dream. But yeah, that one
was just maybe we'll have to meet up and you
get you a little sample. It's kind of interesting.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
Dude, Yeah, I'm down.

Speaker 6 (33:59):
Is there a potential we can ever see strawberry cream
repro if I could can't use his last strawberry cream
to pop? Maybe the last seeds I had of it,
I gave it Bitter because Bitter was doing some awesome
strawberry work. And one of those last packs I had
was an original pack from CBF of strawberry cream F nine.
I don't know, but what happened was he popped them

(34:21):
and it turns out that there is now trapinline in
strawberry cream, which makes no sense. It never had any
trapiniline in it at the F three range, so I
I was counting on him to have a good selection
from that and use that if we ever wanted to
bring it back. But yeah, I can't use that those

(34:42):
seeds because there's trapinoline in it, and that's not what
the fuck it was. But CBF did have some strawberry
hayes going around and growing around during that time, so
maybe there was some polling contamination. It says that it
had where it's like dual intersex males was written on
the package, so I don't know what that means, you know,

(35:03):
I'm like, yeah, the best of the strawberry work I've
given to or given or sold to Monkey my buddy
Monkey at zoo, and Bitter Bitter's gotten the lion's share
of the strawberry stuff. He just recently made a strawberry cough,
which is where strawberry kurring originally comes from. Strawberry cough
blueberry I X, which a bunch of us are going
to be growing. I have some growing right now. He

(35:26):
did an Irene d X using the strawberry cream. F
nine is the outcrossed, So I'm really interested in those
in that case because it has t penaling and it
will be very interesting to see how it affects one
because Irene has such strong u, such a high turt
percent and cross to the blue and cross or not,

(35:46):
I'm sorry nuggling across the strawberry cream with that the
berries bring it in to the Irene. It's gonna be
very interesting pealing in there to see how it affects
the flavor. I'm very very stroked to see that. But
strawberry cream like trying to cross something, make a bunch
of lines with it with your pinoline in it? Is
it for me? Isn't totally ideal? It already had really

(36:08):
good flavors. You know, I don't know, none of us
expected that. And yeah, that's how it goes with seeds.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
Though.

Speaker 6 (36:16):
Sometimes you get something you think it's going to be
exactly what the reader tells you, and then you know, hey, Curveball, yep,
do this out.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Curveball KT says he's got a cut from strawberry cream
that he thought about reverse one.

Speaker 6 (36:34):
Oh that's right, he had old stock of it. I
think too. For me, you still got the cut, KT.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
I think that's what he's saying.

Speaker 6 (36:45):
Yeah, I think it is. I'm pretty sure it's old stock.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
I'm smoking on that. Betsy's name are right now, fam. Yeah,
she said it's good. She she smoked it, and I
got that whenever I wake up and smoking. It's got
a really nice hot to it. I took this one
a little bit early because I needed room. It was
in a four by four byte, so so I took
this one away like pretty early. Actually stuff smokes pretty good,

(37:10):
but unmight the other ones finish out. I'll just I
needed some room. At the time.

Speaker 6 (37:17):
I got a pack of blueberry in cross that said
they were rags. It said it was some sort of
cush X with something. Yeah, the blue in cross is
not a cush with anything. It's just a blueberry across
the blueberry cross, the blueberry cross, the blueberry cross the blueberry.
But yes, it is raggs. We only did reg work
with the blue lines. So I'm working on some film

(37:39):
work currently, but the past six years now has been
just rig work with the blue stuff. Yeah, but unless
you have like a hybrid of the blue bonnet, there
might be some cush crosses better than that. No, yeah,
I mean there might be some cushy type fedos in there.
It's all afghany. You know, a lot of people associate

(38:02):
that with cushiness.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
Mhm.

Speaker 6 (38:06):
Two intersect males is what I was looking for.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
Yeah, got me sloppy toppy fan.

Speaker 6 (38:15):
I think some of Kyle's strawberry cream Sweetpeace stuff went
out with the Patrio pack a while ago too, and think, so, yeah,
that's that's good ship. I totally forgot he had. I
always assume people get to drop ship after a while,
because that's just what happens if shit goes missing. But
Kyle has been pretty good about keeping stuff around a
long time. He also has banana thaie stuff, and he's

(38:36):
been keeping a long time.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
Yeah. He sent out the the sweet pea by uh
by that strawberry cream and uh the sweet pea banana
tie one too. Yeah, that's it. I actually have some
of those popped right now.

Speaker 6 (38:54):
You know. Yeah, nice, I have some some packs your
store for me now, I mean me makes me hard.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (39:04):
For Pilot asked if I wanted to grow out a
tie and all the type plant grown from seed to
use for breeding. Is that's something I find seed for me, yes,
real seed coat. I would recommend, like their their Lao stuff.
Most of the best according to everybody I know over
in Thailand. According to us, according to Zone me In
and guys like that, the best ties were brought in

(39:27):
from Lao culture. Like Lao culture was the growing culture.
All that stuff was brought in from Lao. The growers
are brought in from Lao to Thailand. So if you
want a really good tie, I would say the Lao
stuff would probably be ideal. From real sea cod and
I remember the number two specifically he appointed me too.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Yeah, if Matt, if you could go on a trip
anywhere in the world, bro on like a weed trip,
I know you ain't into the ship probably, but if
you could go anywhere, take ten of us with you.
We all get stoned, fuck all them. I mean, I'm
just playing. But if we go to other countries, bro,
where would you want to go? Where would you want

(40:07):
to Yeah?

Speaker 6 (40:09):
Cambodia because they have the Mekong Delta there, they have
the Oh my god, why am I blanking on the temple,
there's a big, huge one. I don't know. That's the
most beautiful temple on earth, Buddhist temple ancient. But yeah,
Cambodi has a lot of a lot of reasons to
go there. And they have really long flowering and l
d stuff. So ink or watt that's what I meant,

(40:32):
or wat is there fam I don't know, but I
think girly lady boys are.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
So I can't shove much of my ass man, I
really can't. So lies wherever we go, there better be
some fucking weed, you know.

Speaker 6 (40:48):
Yeah, yeah, I mean they got weed there. There are
cultures growing with there, there are families growing there. It's an
old weed culture, a lot like a llao. So I
would say Cambodia.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
Would z Stopper says Spain BC and Durbany speak, If
you're in the chat, where would you want to go.

Speaker 5 (41:07):
Let us know in the comments even yeah after the show,
yeah all yeah, oh yeah you both hell yeah, all
two of you watching.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Yea even nipple on the comment kid.

Speaker 6 (41:24):
It's right, you're more to cover in this, uh science paper.

Speaker 3 (41:30):
I mean honestly, the you know, we all know that.
You know, if you fucking are just sharing scissors and
ship like that between it, we know you're gonna you know,
through plant SAP. It's extremely fucking transmit like you got
the AIDS if you did it. The seed part was
mainly what what I wanted to focus on, and you know,

(41:52):
I I do want to It's not that I don't
trust the science, it's that I would rather I would
like to see it the replicated study, because I know,
I know that they said they did that, they did
the experiment, ran each experiment three times, but I would

(42:14):
like to see someone else with another place testing to
confirm those results, because that just you got to think
the normal host species only has an eight six to
eight percent seed transmissibility rate, that that sounds you know,

(42:37):
normal honestly to me, you know, especially with like an
infected mother whatever. But fuck, fifty to eighty percent, that
just seems incredibly high considering how many seeds are popped
and have been, you know, since dudding has been a problem, how.

Speaker 6 (43:00):
Much clone sales is going on around the country. Like,
calm your tips with the clone sales and buy it,
because you're spreading this type of shit, especially if they
are correct. Whole ass.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
It ain't stone clone though, Matt, because we've seen somebody
in our home circle. It's probably got for free that
it could be free cuts to the melcher shit.

Speaker 6 (43:22):
Exactly, you're right, free green crack b X cuts.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
That's right, you get your meltzer.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
Shit.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
We watched I'll watch some stuff. Plants fall apart, dude,
it's kind of crazy. Actually that's first summer seen. Wow.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
But yeah, it just dud with. I mean just think
about like these these companies that are popping like thousands
of seeds, you know, fucking every couple of months, just
running through numbers. Yeah, there's no fucking well, I don't
want to say there's no way, but it seems highly improbable.

Speaker 6 (44:01):
Yeah, green suicide. Someone's asking about my green suicide. Mm,
that's a long time ago. So I think that was
the bubba narrowly cut cloth cork if maybe or oh no,
that's a long time ago. I'd have to look that up.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
How many years, twenty thirty, forty.

Speaker 6 (44:23):
Forty years, forty fucking years, at least at least twelve,
at least twelve.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
How do you, yeah, I mean, how do you remember
all that shit? I can't even remember yes easily anymore.

Speaker 6 (44:37):
I mean, up until the last three years, I had
a pretty good recall for any any strain name. I
remember what the genetics were. But now we're getting into
I'm old. After I smacked my head and knocked myself out,
I'm even worse. Yeah, I don't know. It's a good question.

(44:58):
I don't know. It's not even on. I'm just gonna
see if it was on the seat. It's not on there.
I need monkey here to he knows all this ship.
I like this right, Seeds a scam in the search results.
That's better than what he used to say, which was,
what was it riot Seeds is a dickhead?

Speaker 2 (45:16):
Or ain't lion?

Speaker 6 (45:20):
He ain't lion?

Speaker 3 (45:25):
Kat Katie said, clockwork heir loom Afghani.

Speaker 6 (45:30):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
He said he couldn't get hits to pop.

Speaker 6 (45:36):
Oh he might be right. He might be right, because yeah,
he might be right. Am I that far off on yours?
I might be might be right? Yeah, I think he
might be right, or I'd take his memory over mind
on this one.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (45:59):
Yeah, it sounds like a baggies that I was given
out for freebies and they were all stuffed in another
baggie and I'm trying to remember what was in the
baggies with those. Yeah, it has to because there were
great pie crosses in there too, and great pie restory,
the aero mafen and stuff.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
Yes, So what's what's some What's some stuff where people
can do to uh kind of help if especially if
shiit say symptomatic, bro, what's some good practices people could
get into you were talking about you they use bleach?
Is that? What? What are some chemicals or whatever that
can help fight this kind of stuff? Or I mean
when you're talking about using your scissors and ship, are

(46:34):
you dipping every fucking time you take a cut? Like,
what's the best route to handle that?

Speaker 6 (46:39):
In different razor blade per plant one, Do not let
ruth path through root zones across each other's paths. Ever,
do not put things of a different each different strain,
each different plant down to this down to the plant.
Do not put them in the same root zone with
the same water, and don't let the waters contact each other.

(47:02):
Things like that, Like you're having to do one plant
portray type scenarios if you're using trays, don't use aerow
cloners if there's anything remotely infected, or if you're bringing
any clones in. What else is there? I mean, you
can't really get rid of it once it's there, so
like they're bleached, great, all that stuff, but you're not

(47:22):
getting rid of it. You can get mary stem done,
and I don't know many places that have successfully gotten
rid of HPOV or HLPV where the fuck it's called
HLV using mary stem. There was a lot of claims
of it early on, a lot of claims of being
able to do good mary stem stuff. I don't know

(47:44):
how far it's changed. It might be totally easy to
do now. I don't know. I don't know how far
that any of the tissue culture stuff's going. And I
probably should contact someone that's respecting the tissue culture world
that has better ideas. I know, we have cheese from
our own discord and uh, Mike Hydro, I could talk
to you a little bit.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
Yeah, I mean, do you know anyone non CANNA because
that would probably be.

Speaker 6 (48:11):
Most non can of people don't really work with canna.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
Well, no, I mean just talking about actual transmissibility through
Maristem tissu culture because there's it's like a plague in
the cana scene where everyone thinks that, you know, the
nodle stuff that they're doing, Yeah, you know the tissue
culture stuff.

Speaker 6 (48:34):
Yeah, recognize that the terms too. Before you go to
someone for tissue culture, realize, like, know what nodle prop
looks like, know how it works, and don't hire people
for nodal prop to clean up stuff with HLB. Don't
always assume that someone you hired to do it that's
outside of a professional lab that says it an tissue
culture is going to do anything but nodal prop and

(48:55):
hand that back to you because that's not going to
clean it either. They can hand you a tissue culture
clone of your your your h o V ridden plant
and it can it's gonna look screwy. So you can
be like, Okay, so that's just tiss culture.

Speaker 7 (49:08):
Cool.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
It might.

Speaker 6 (49:10):
Yeah, marrisdim only uh Marrestim takes it out of the
Oh god, it's been so long. Whatever the sapp that
the things living in it, takes it out of the
cellular what is it called, like the.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
Heart, They do it out of the apical, the very
aristem where it's still it's essentially like stem cells. You know,
it's not connected to vascular tissue.

Speaker 6 (49:34):
Vascular tissue like herd. There you go, that's what it was.
That the vascular tissue.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
You got to do that with like microscopes and stuff.
I would assume because all the pictures I've seen on
it are they're like they're from microscopes of them working.

Speaker 6 (49:50):
You can really it looks like a almost like a
poppy seed with how tiny it is but smaller. It's crazy.
Trying to grab that a little bit and then make
sure that no vascular tissue context while you're pulling it out,
is what I've heard is the hard part. That's why
they tried to do it several times with different plants.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
Yeah, well that from from my understanding, there the succession
of doing it. They're essentially trying to just continually lower
the load, the viral load or viroid load, until you know,
theoretically it comes up clean, which I know they have

(50:31):
done in other like like bananas and stuff like that.
That's how the grove Michelle is tissue cultured by the USDA,
and they cleaned it up their problem. But that was
also a fungal pathogen, so I'm not you know.

Speaker 6 (50:50):
Dan said, Since the root zone holds so much of
the infection, grafting seems to help, but takes a lot
of work and trials. It makes sense, makes sense. Draftings
are pain in me, ass in the asshole. I remember
people bringing graft grafted, like three plants grafted onto one
plant was always like an emerald cup. You get to
see it, like growing all this weird different kinds of bud.

(51:12):
That was neat novel, but it was It was mostly
just novel at the time, Like who really needs that
at the top. It would be cool for breeding though,
you know, like constantly using one like one plant could
make a bunch of different seeds on one plant. Yeah,
there were a novel not a lot of novel uses

(51:32):
were at the time, but this could be one way out.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
What up, James, What up?

Speaker 6 (51:39):
Mang?

Speaker 2 (51:40):
Welcome everybody, So.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
Do you see z Stompers comment? Can HLV be passed
down through generations of seeds?

Speaker 6 (51:54):
I don't know that they've they've done the trials. But
I would imagine if they're saying that it can be
passed down through one set of seed, and it could
be passed through poland that. Yeah, I would imagine that
it would be successive generations. I would imagine I don't.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
Know, Yeah, I mean, at the end of the day,
it would be the infected parents creating infected seeds, you know,
regardless of the generation it's in. Yeah, but that's also
if the you know, fifty six to eighty four percent

(52:28):
holds true.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
Yeah, yeah, I mean maybe we should develop a root
condom if some kind of latex you slide over the
you know, the bottom there go, you know, you get
newp cuts in you're like, fuck, I'm not sure about these.
I'll put up the slide that condom on there.

Speaker 6 (52:48):
Yeah, that's idea.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
I say that because we got our audience is ninety
nine point seven percent mail. So I just wrapped it
before you tab it.

Speaker 6 (52:57):
Guys, how much of our audiences it we know? Question?

Speaker 2 (53:02):
We got a double couple, double intersexors at least on
the pack. I think it's what it said or something.

Speaker 6 (53:08):
Yeah, that makes sense. A couple of a couple of
double intersexers.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
Intersexers I'm dual duly No, okay, oh.

Speaker 6 (53:19):
We might have one female, so we might have like
three females in chat. That's amazing.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
Yeah, we we're pushing numbers, Matt, or that pushes up
to probably ninety eight point seven, repeating. Of course, the.

Speaker 6 (53:36):
Men in person Hawaiian lights are going to be variant.
I mean Men of Purpose is a short, squat little thing,
and the Hawaiian Lights was a tall, stretchy think you
can have lots of various.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
Have you ever had your garden melted?

Speaker 3 (53:51):
Matt?

Speaker 2 (53:51):
What's the worst fucking shit you've ever been through?

Speaker 6 (53:53):
The worst thing I ever had was a disease that
looked like PM, and it came from a dude named
Danny Jenny Dow. I remember his name, Jannado. I don't
remember his online name, but he was just he was
a nuts at, and before I realized how big of
a nuts aft he was, he sent me clones of
something in trade and he was from the Philippines, and

(54:16):
it was some kind of PM that came off of
plants from the Philippines. Damn, and it totaled my There
was nothing I couldn't use equal twenty. I couldn't use
anything he melted my whole room. And that was really
early on, and it sucked ass. There was no controlling it.
The only thing I think that lived through it was
Blue Dream. Blue Dream was the last standing contender that

(54:38):
made it through all the trees.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
Cock Brothers, Yes, that was that was rough.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
A lot of people talk shit on Blue Dream, but man,
when it's done well, it is stunch night smoke.

Speaker 6 (54:54):
That's what I'm saying. I mean, like anybody who talked
it on Blue Dream one is telling me they hadn't
had it grown well. Either don't have to cut we
have the old cut it don't have They haven't ever
smoked it grown well, you know, Like it tells me
a lot more about them than it does the clone.
Like if you've got a good cut of Blue Dream,
the Santa Cruz Blue Dream specifically, if you've had it

(55:16):
grown well, if you've grown it well, you know how
good that cut is, if you've bread with it all
that stuff. Yeah, I mean, it's just like anything, it
always tells you more about the grower and the ignorant
shit they say, like the people who say I don't
want no fan seeds. God didn't intend it to be
that way, Like it tells you more about its.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
Oh, dude, I've been arguing with this dude online about
fucking not everything. Sub sixty is fucking auto flowers, and
it's been like, it's like smashing my face into a wall.
It just does not He's like, well, to me, it
is like, but it's not. I don't.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Yeah, are you friends with that person?

Speaker 6 (56:03):
No?

Speaker 3 (56:03):
He is a target, he's a mark.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
I was just gonna say, I cann't be your friend anymore.

Speaker 6 (56:10):
So I'm just now being friends with people like that.
Strencher Dick Saize at least two inches.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
I don't know if you can get much smaller, Matt,
it'd be at any at that point, Matt.

Speaker 6 (56:26):
Two inches from the ground when you're on your belly. Fuck,
let's see what Dan has to say. What they don't
talk about is the degree of infection found in the seeds.
The test is incredibly sensitive, so some plants may stay
may stay asymptomatic for significantly longer than others based on wreck.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
See you know bringing that up though you would even
even with that, there's stuff that's been a line long
enough that you would and in enough guards that you
would expect to have gone and symptomatic at some point,
you know.

Speaker 6 (57:04):
Yeah, and saying that Dan hasn't been on the show
in a while because I gave him my Bible load.
Well on his.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
Chin, maybe breaking, you know? Do you know at a
UK University of Kentucky they say one in four women
carry chlamydia. Matt, if I go in raw dog style,
what are the odds or percentages of me walking away
with chlamydia? And is that going to always? I mean,
is that a for sure thing? Is that a you know,
is there any studies on that?

Speaker 6 (57:31):
Antibiotics? Bro? Just Carris auntibiotics. It's going to happen.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
It's going to happen.

Speaker 6 (57:35):
We're dipping things.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
Why do you just carry the root condom we're selling
if you guys want to check it out that night
gear dot com.

Speaker 6 (57:43):
Yeah, Geared, I'll be having some breeder syndicate and can
Illuminati condoms up soon? Yes? Right?

Speaker 2 (57:53):
Ninety seven percent, Matt, audience, We got to take care
of our boys. But sorry, I'm getting off on a
tangent here.

Speaker 6 (58:00):
We'll get some dental damns too for the ladies who like.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
Ladies and dental insurance, because that ship's bullshit. Guys there
you can.

Speaker 6 (58:07):
Go more politics, Check politics.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
I gotta go for my fan back home. We gotta
get these teeth figs man ship. I mean I got
a tooth missing myself.

Speaker 6 (58:17):
Fuck, we got only got one?

Speaker 2 (58:19):
Now I got one that's right here. I fucking I
gotta knocked out. When I was a kid running on
my mouth, you know, and just just fucking not by
anybody's fist, I was turned around and walked into a pole.
You know.

Speaker 6 (58:33):
I got beat up by a pole. You got a
chair and hit me right here. Knock one out, Well,
knocked half of it out, and then I knocked the
other half out later on my own. I've got a
few few. Once you get older, they start going.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
To some good.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
It's part of my character. Now I'll put my blunt
in between the arts mission and the ship that they're
like it, Yeah, like that. It's kind of my style.

Speaker 6 (58:55):
Bro Cool, the animal says se blue dream is good,
But Matt knows how many blue dreams are passed around them.
It was in a lot of different plants called blue
dream that weren't related to blue Dream. There was the
Colorado blue Dream that was really big passed around and
it was more like a It almost fled like Colorado flow,
which is really weird, real incensey wasn't didn't look or

(59:19):
I got that cut a few times trying to get
back the Santa Cruz cut, and I kept running into
that cut, and I did not like it at all.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
What is blue Dream? For people that might know Matt
that don't know.

Speaker 6 (59:30):
The original blue Dream, the Santa Cruz Blue Dream is
most likely a blueberry from DJ Short across to a
super silver haze I don't know from probably during that era,
would probably be Greenhouse when Shaunty store there. Yeah, super
silver haze, a really good, fast flowering super silver haze
would have been needed resinous to cross to the DJ

(59:53):
Short blueberry.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
I could see it, I mean the blueberry at least
you could like I was staying even just six seeds, man,
I can smell it in there, just having an experience
with some of your shit.

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
Cool.

Speaker 6 (01:00:07):
There was a line called blue Hen from Bluegrass Seeds
that also was that exact same cross, So, I mean,
I've been speculating for a long time that that might
have been where the Blue Dream came from, but it
also could have been someone else making it around the
same time.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
I'm not show well for anyone that's growing out some
of these crosses from poc with the Blue Dream, what's
something or an ideal plant maybe they might want to
keep around or something that they might want to look
for from the Blue Dream side of things that you
know might stick out for them.

Speaker 6 (01:00:40):
Oh lower Blue Dream from Barney's Farm. Good, get out
of here. A super silver A bit different profile wise
compared to regular hazes. Yes, it's very different. Super silver
haze is a skunk one n all five. Hey, the
skunk one and all five across the skunk cays. I
think might be some there are at least all those
genetics in it. At some points you're getting two skun

(01:01:01):
a five and a haze. It's very different. A lot
of the regular hazes areline super silver hazey very strong
with mercine. But you can have terpeneline super silver hazes
as well.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
Who said that Barney's Farm? Oh your buddies with that guy? Dude,
you're getting punishment in the discord later it's not.

Speaker 6 (01:01:24):
My friend, oh Cody Cody's friend.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Yes, you're getting punishment Cody. Yes, no Zola for you?

Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
Which Matt?

Speaker 6 (01:01:35):
That is?

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
So? Have you thought about doing like a Blue Dream
two point zero with like a a good selective blueberry
mm hmm and uh and a good you know, super
silver haze.

Speaker 6 (01:01:54):
So I originally was going to do this with a
Durban the north Cut because it's really powerful super terpinaline
as opposed to Mercy, but I thought it would make
something similar to his good Blue Dream. What came out
of it was a lot of random like Chinese food,
turps and shit, So it wasn't exactly what I was
looking for. HNL has a really good work super silver

(01:02:17):
Hayes line that would be good for that, but yeah,
I know I'd need to get a female super silver
Hayes also, Old Sog super silver hazes would be killer
if I was reversing like the blue and cross onto
like something like that. Old Sogs is killer. I've been
trying to get him to come on the show too,
Old Sog, if you're watching this, come on the damn show.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:02:38):
Why Yeast has agreed to do the show as well.
For those that don't know why, Yeast is who started
Compound Genetics, was the original breeder responsible for all the
original popular lines. His partner screwed him over very heavily,
and he was he hated left Compound on his own
because he couldn't deal with his partner being such as

(01:02:59):
jam and I got to watch it all in real
time see who who really was being honest who wasn't.
And I've stayed friends with Why He's ever since. Wonderful
fucking human being. I'm stoked he's open to coming on
the show because he does not talk about drama ever,
wants to avoid it. And I don't blame him because
he's probably seen more than most humans have. Yeah, I'm

(01:03:19):
stoked to be able to ask him questions about what
he's doing now, is why East, what he did during Compound,
and where he's taken all this stuff. I mean, he's
he's mostly known for his his gelato process, but the
guy's got a long, long back history of working with
a lot of stuff. So stoked to have him on
as well, that'd be cool. I got a question for

(01:03:41):
you guys, Yes, Sar, what does the canon lot?

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
What?

Speaker 6 (01:03:45):
What does what does the can Illuminati mean to you guys?
Is it?

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
What is it to you guys?

Speaker 6 (01:03:51):
Without breaking any laws.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
Being on the receiving end of ast poundings.

Speaker 6 (01:03:57):
It's one of the that's one of the main ways
to get insure.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Uh, I let Screwston go first. I'll rant too much.

Speaker 6 (01:04:05):
What does it mean to you? As far as what
what is it?

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
I am trying to remember what I am allowed to
release publicly. Yeah, I am slightly illiterate, so I'm trying to.

Speaker 6 (01:04:19):
And color blind.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
I think I got it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:22):
I got.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
It, come on, Uh, you know, Matt, it's it's a brotherhood, Matt,
it's a sisterhood too. If you got a vagina, let's
be real. But Uh, it's a it's a family, man,
and I don't say that lightly. It's a it's a
crew of guys and gals, like minded individuals. We don't
agree on everything, but we do we share a common

(01:04:47):
thing in that a common thread is uh weed and
whether it's history, uh growing at auto flowers, Uh, you know,
whatever it is, guys, we love it. And you know,
we've just kind of or at least you've carved out
of a lane for people that are like yourselves, that
are we nerds. And it's people getting mistaken because you know,

(01:05:10):
you joined the breeder syndicate discord and that place there
is really a place to filter out people for the
cannon can Illuminati and what that comes down to is
just being a good person. It doesn't matter who like,
what you know or your background. Uh, Me and Screwstin
are are screwsin and I should say are prime examples
of that. We're just two country dudes from different places

(01:05:31):
in the United States and Matt and the cruise brought
us in and shared genetics, shared knowledge. And that's another
thing too, And I'll finish it up with that is
it's uh, it's probably a thousand years worth of experience
between all of the guys and gals shot out, Peaches
and Penser. But yeah, it's it's it's over a thousand

(01:05:52):
years of experience in a digital form that you can
access any time of the day for the most part.
And it's it's it's friends, man, That's it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:02):
Really. I see people who care enough to be okay
with being wrong about something. That was the thing that
immediately drew me in was how many times like stories

(01:06:27):
and like, oh hey this you know, this is what
this is like getting down to and then we don't
know really past this point, you know, like and being
okay with the unknown, you know, the no unknowns. So yeah,
I don't know, Okay, So you're both wrong.

Speaker 6 (01:06:48):
We're taking over the fucking world, and we're putting out
a bunch of propaganda in cannabis and we want to
be the only ones doing it. And YouTube could join
the candid Luminatics. I'm selling it out and one shirt
at a time to Sindy www dot cnicate gear dot
com and YouTube can pretend to be part of the
candilou and not we're taking over Fuck everyone, it's all secrets.
We're not telling you ship.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
For all my guys out there, you got any titty pictures,
I'll take them.

Speaker 6 (01:07:17):
Yeah, for the homie.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:07:22):
The whole we are watching thing is uh, it's like
a legitimate aspect of this that I don't think people
catch on to, you know, just trying to fucking right
the ship really, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:07:40):
Yeah, so people don't know cynicate gear. You need to
put w w W in front of it for some reason.
If you don't put w w W in front of it,
it doesn't work. I don't I'm not really good with
domain name servers anymore, so I don't even know how
to naked. So the without the www, it goes to
where it needs to go. Yes, there's also waffles in

(01:08:02):
the syndicate about the Waffles Weekly Waffles of the Discord.
Go to the Discord me a comedy dot com? Go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
What's the can Illuminati mean to you?

Speaker 6 (01:08:11):
Matt? I don't know. Uh started out, I know, I
mean it started out as kind of a joke. The
name was a joke, and it was because most of
us weren't accepted anywhere, and we call it kind of

(01:08:32):
all fell into each other, you know, like too many loudmouths. People, Oh,
the link's broken, Okay, we'll figure it out, because it's
pretty sure I just clicked it up. Yeah. I mean
when we say we're watching, it's usually just like we're
watching waiting for people to fuck up and try to

(01:08:52):
scam people, to try to make sure people don't get scammed.
That was really what it was about, making sure people
don't get scammed. Being a few that are loud enough
to make it through, you know, like not totally be
booted off every forum. We had to have our own forum,
our own place, because it was really easy to block
people from saying anything back in the forum days. So

(01:09:16):
that's really where it started, and it became a community
of people that were like minded and wanted to get
to the bottom of string history. And that's how it started.
But then, you know, it went on to bringing the
whole community together at some points, people that didn't even
like each other to work together for a night at

(01:09:36):
least and bring all these stories together without fighting for
a night, which was crazy, and seeing that all happen,
and yeah, and now it is what it is. Now
we use the discord like a feeder system for the
cantiluminati to bring people into a tighter circle, like layers.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
Of a fucking onion, Like layer's a cake, man, you know, cake,
sweet cake, you know, can be a metaphor for you
know a lot of things. You know, big, nice fluffy cake,
backside cake.

Speaker 6 (01:10:06):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
You know, I just had a chocolate cake, homemade chocolate cake.

Speaker 3 (01:10:10):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
Oh dang, we're making fetti cake next week. Watch oil bro.

Speaker 6 (01:10:20):
Okay, So www dot syndicate, gear, dot work, dot com
work for me. I don't know why it's not working
for anyone else. But here is the other link you
can use. If it's not working for you, you can
go straight to here and it will take you there. Boom.
I don't know if we'll let me pin from here.
Probably not, Nope. Anyways, that's the other link that you
can take to get there. Yeah, we have some new

(01:10:44):
stuff up, new merch up on the site. I did
add cant Illuminati stuff. That's always I'm bringing it up.
We did add new cant Illuminati stuff up to the
site so people could get in on it. We redid
some of the original shirts that were given out with
seeds when I held helped eight friends start his company. Yeah,

(01:11:05):
then that company went totally haywire, so I wanted to
redo the shirt so everybody could have access to them.
Let me see here is it right here? Yeah, there
we go. This is the syndicate gear dot com where
it should take you when it's working right. We have
the shirt that is single side printed, and then we
also have the limited hoodie and shirt that are printed

(01:11:25):
on the back, printed on the front, printed on one sleeve.
A little bit more. But I wanted to make a
single side shirt that was cheaper and available for everyone.
So at twenty two you can get that. We got
the snapbacks, the beanies, the the what's it called Tumbler?
It says Rumbler, Rumbler drink wear, and these and dot
dot dot yeah stickers too, so go check those out.

(01:11:48):
It helps keep everything running. People think the Discord is
just free to run. It is not free to run
because we have all kinds of boosts and all kinds
of stuff running on it so that we can show
awesome movies. Which we have a movie coming up Sunday night.
I think it's lost boys. I still might move it
to broke Back because you know, player's choice, but we'll

(01:12:09):
see how it goes.

Speaker 3 (01:12:10):
All.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
I gotta hop in there. And you're fucking playing broke
Back in the Mountain, dude, I said, I felt weird
because I felt something stirring in my jeans.

Speaker 6 (01:12:18):
Dude. It's a good scene, not gonna lie.

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
And you had it on that scene dude where they're
about the rough rough house with the clothes off, I
was like, what the fuck?

Speaker 6 (01:12:27):
Like fighting and they grabbing each other by the just
getting bringing them closer, just getting rid of the kiss.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
Next. I want some like old school two thousand Bang
bros Rolling on there next time. Dude, when I get
in there, it could be you know.

Speaker 6 (01:12:40):
I don't know if there's enough sword fighting in that
for me.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
Man, I mean the guy guy that's cool.

Speaker 3 (01:12:48):
But yeah, that that last movie was really good. I've
never seen it before.

Speaker 6 (01:12:53):
That was good in Little China amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
Those fucking sunglasses had me dying.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
I'm the ones with the dude, we need those garden bro.

Speaker 3 (01:13:05):
Yeah, they legit. They legit look like those winter glasses
that like people make, you know, like Eskimos make and
fucking survival shows.

Speaker 6 (01:13:14):
Mucklucks, that's what they're called.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
That's the kind of when you put on you go
to the club. You don't want to see what you're
dancing around with, you know, or what they look like.
But no, yeah, man, I was gonna, man, we should
do with the open voice chat next time. I think
that might be.

Speaker 6 (01:13:29):
Fun you know, I mean open but maybe a few.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
Of us, Yeah, yeah, it'd be funny.

Speaker 6 (01:13:35):
I think some people would talk over the whole movie
and piss everyone off.

Speaker 1 (01:13:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
Actually I know who I'm looking at you, whoever you are? You,
all of you.

Speaker 6 (01:13:45):
Yeah, I think a few of us could be really funny. Yeah,
big trouble, Little China. A lot of people didn't know,
like they haven't seen it. Like the character for rating
was pulled from that movie, The Lightning Guy, one of
the lightning Gods.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
I can't believe I ain't seen that because I watch Escape,
Escape from New York with Snake or whatever, and a
few of those other movies. But yeah, I can't believe
I hadn't seen that one man, and a lot of
people don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:14:12):
There was no sequel to Big Trouble Little China, So
John Carpenter and some other writers that were from the
original movie took it to graphic novels. And you can
have the sequels in graphic novels, and I own all
of them because I'm that much of a door for it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
It's cool, showman.

Speaker 3 (01:14:26):
Yeah, dude, I didn't know Bitter was in that movie.

Speaker 6 (01:14:29):
He is in that movie. In the movie, so next
to his Lost Boys by vote almost went to the Burbs,
but it went to Lost Boys. So we're gonna get
to watch the Saxophone Guy like. I still believe one
of the best songs ever written for any movie, one
of the best scenes ever. The way he moves his hips,

(01:14:51):
how muscular, how covered in oil. He is a lot
of men like this.

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
Hey, you gotta like some in the world. Matt will
be that like something.

Speaker 6 (01:15:01):
Yeah, I guess do you have any more questions before
we exit this lovely adventure that we call Tonight's show.

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
Yeah, get them man, guys, Matt that East Coast sour
diesel stacking up, fam or getting juice.

Speaker 6 (01:15:16):
I'm interested to see how you think the trips compared
to the blue sour when.

Speaker 4 (01:15:19):
You have it done.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
Yeah, well yeah that you know this is probably gonna
be pollinated, runs or seated. So but I got a
couple of cuts, imagine right now to go right in
the flower that won't be seated. So I am excited
with Oh, well I'm reverse reversed in the East Coast
stacking up. They're getting juicy.

Speaker 6 (01:15:42):
This little sack that the oh, the mail, the mall
nut sacks. Yeah, that's it. That's a it's a very
difficult one.

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
I hope it's live.

Speaker 3 (01:15:50):
FAM.

Speaker 6 (01:15:50):
Extremely optimistic for you because there is something called like
first beginner's luck when it comes to this ship. And
everybody I've seen that starts with their first reversal usually
gets it. Very rarely do we have someone in their
first reversal not have success. So are you gonna do anything?
Try the hardest because you might get it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
Well, it's stacked, dude, I mean I'm talking from the
top to bottom. I got sacks, and then you know
how like right before your pollen sacks, your pollen sacks
about the bus. You started seeing that little bit of you,
like the pollen the I don't know what everything's called scientifically,
but you start seeing it yellowing up like uh kind
of on the seams of the sacks, bro. You see
it's it's so I'm hoping like the first initial ones

(01:16:30):
that were that came on first, they're swelling up and
yeah it's covered dude on the swell. I'm hoping we
get a little pollen fan cool.

Speaker 6 (01:16:41):
Using rights reversal spray, you too can do the same ship.

Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
Yeah, well, yeah, that's what you were saying a minute
ago about uh, you know success and uh, you know,
you guys have done enough and we were talking about
earlier about experience and stuff just watching you guys and
gals do the things that you do. And you know
I've asked you and Bitter and h and l and
talk a few of the guys, uh, you know, advice

(01:17:06):
and things, and you guys have helped me out tremendously.
So you know, at the you know, if I owe
any one for success, be you guys in the syndicate
for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:17:17):
By exposer did a killer run of my sour doub
heirloom Afghani. Yes, I saw that crazy composer is a
killer brower too, so I was stipe to see you
run it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
Oh yeah, that's cool.

Speaker 6 (01:17:30):
Yeah, anybody got any other questions? Do we have anything
else to talk about?

Speaker 2 (01:17:35):
Jared may or Jared mang I can't ever say people's
names right, Ask what's the shelf life on the sts spray?

Speaker 6 (01:17:42):
I'm as We'll say, like the instructions and everything says
keep refrigerated. I usually put a sticker on the bottles too,
so people know and shake shake the ship out of it,
you know, before you use even if you you frigerated,
shake the ship out of it, like you're shaking, like
you need to shake paint, shake it vigorous like that.
But the shelf life if you put in the fridge,
I don't know if there is anybody, Like every time

(01:18:05):
I hear a New Year from someone that's like, hey
bought it from you eight years ago, Still good in
the fridge, still worked, did reversal, so like eight years
has been the max. But I don't know that there
is a max. Or if you keep in the fridge
and you shake the shit out of it really well.
With that said, outside of the fridge. You're looking at
three years if it gets hot, two years something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
Yeah. So I've had mine out of the fridge for
about a year, bro, and I have a fridge in
my grown room. But it was tripping my breaker just
because I'm on a lower ampriage or my circuits are
just shit here at this house. But anyways, it works fine, dude,
it works great. And then uh, man, what helped me
a lot do was getting those little magnet things like

(01:18:47):
you use for other stuff and other uh we won't
say it's smelling in trouble, but uh, you know the
little magnet steers things. Man, you stick them down in
the bottom.

Speaker 6 (01:18:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:56):
Yeah, And I got a little magnet uh, I forget them, yeah,
and just put it on air, bro. And then I
put one inside my spray bottle too, And then I just,
you know, whenever I go to spray and just do that.

Speaker 6 (01:19:08):
But yeah, the spray is created with magnetic stirs. And
that's one of the big differences between my spray and
a lot of others. I use like professional scientific equipment
to make it in the first place, and it makes
all the difference for mixing too. Initially, I should be
having magnetic stirs.

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
I'll say I did. There was a couple other bottles
I had that were sitting there too. They all sept.
They all uh kind of well, what's the term you
would use it? Have made this?

Speaker 6 (01:19:33):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
I guess it's all kind of congailed together. I don't
know it's separated or whatever it's but yeah, I don't
know it's working great. Hey, I meant to ask you
and I think we've talked about this before. It's every
day you spray because I have been spraying every day, right,
or is every two days?

Speaker 6 (01:19:50):
Once a week?

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
Shit, I've been sprayed every day.

Speaker 6 (01:19:52):
Fam, I mean you can't. You can, but like for
some plants, it's going to be too much realistic, Like
the first instructions, like early on the first iteration of
the spray, I had people spraying once once a day
for three and a half weeks until you see balls,
because it takes exactly three and a half weeks or
a little bit earlier to see it. But I've made

(01:20:13):
the spray much stronger to avoid that because essentially ss
I wanted a one and done, which can't be done
because every fourteen days, if you spray it once, the
plant starts reverting back to its normal set. So there's
no such things as want it done. You can have
a two and done, and you can get away with
spraying it twice only. But I recommend once a week
to ensure a good reversal that stays, you know, stays

(01:20:35):
very male, as male as you can be on a
female structure. And sometimes some plants you might need that
heavy dose like triangle cushion used to be burning the
fuck up to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
So once a day is very it works, all right,
maybe it works, it's I mean, hey, yeah, once a dress, Paul.
And then you know, well that's why you were talking
about the first time, or's work, because we're doing it
wrong every time, bro sprain or down. But I mean, yeah,
that being said, I wasn't going real hard. I had

(01:21:07):
to really fine, you know, like a little ounce bottle, mister,
like a carry on. I had one of them, has
hitting it every day for about like three weeks to
iss seen nuts. But I also had the smaller bottle, bro,
like the real small bottle. Yeah, so it's not super concentrated.
I don't know, man.

Speaker 6 (01:21:22):
Yeah, yeah, it's still pretty strong. So we're gonna see,
we will see. I mean it's sour, so I don't
know because it's not a lot of people have been
successful with sour, so I don't know what kind of
ratio it needs. I failed on sour it once a week.

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
So then they can fluctuate like that. Then, so you
know absolutely what's what's maybe like the most extreme case
other than triangle cush that you've maybe had to deal
with in person that wouldn't want to reverse for you,
or took an extreme amount of effort to get to
do it, or several tries to do it.

Speaker 6 (01:21:53):
Diesel is really iffy on if it were reverse or not.
I've had to do that multiple times. Early on, it
was consistent, easy to do, and then slowly but surely
over the years that bitch got harder and harder. Usually
it has to do with plant health, plant structure, things
like that. It's actual genetics. Dan. Dan's really good with
this kind of stuff too. He's tailored sprays for specific

(01:22:15):
strains so that that's very ideal.

Speaker 2 (01:22:20):
Over man, I you know, I've I've messed. All the
trucks I've ever done have been REGs and stuff, so uh,
you know, going into it, I was like, man, like,
what what would I even want to reverse it. I
don't don't really even care to reverse a whole lot
of shit. But I was like, fuck, uh you know,
East Coast sour Diesel is good smoke dude. So I
was like, man, if anything, maybe that, so trying on that,

(01:22:42):
and man, it's just I can't believe how it just
you start spraying it two weeks out right before you
put in your receivers, and just it went from like
nothing happening due to all of a sudden like sacks
bro everywhere, And I was like, what the hell? And
then I saw you pictures. It's it's a three foot
plant covered bro. Maybe maybe two, two or three little

(01:23:05):
flower sites that don't have a lot, but uh yeah, bro,
it's it's really cool to see. As Like I said,
I I pop my cherry bro.

Speaker 6 (01:23:13):
So the other advice I give is to do more
than one plant just in case it doesn't take. So
you have multiple ones going in because even down to
the clone, like even if they're next to each other,
even if they're the same size and the same spot,
same pot. Tayleb went through this with diesel himself. He
had three different clones in a single pot, same size.

(01:23:34):
Two didn't reverse one rehs and it's so weird like that, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:23:39):
Should have been spraying every day, famiding. But you also
to Matt stagger like stagger them and and I totally
would have done that, bro, but I just literally took
the cut that I got, uh and that with the
mom and she's done what you need to do, so
I was like, fuck it, I'll reverse it.

Speaker 6 (01:23:59):
Yeah, odds, odds and numbers. That's I think that's the
best advice I've been given because I used to only
do one and then i'd have something like a male
to back up or be reversing something else, and then
a mail to back that up. But backups have fum
backups is also good, so you don't waste a whole
run have to smoke that dirty sense of mia.

Speaker 2 (01:24:18):
Heyfar forget Matt. So say this thing dump spawling right,
whether it's successful or not. Can I at that point,
could I take it out and just go ahead and
try to revenge it? Yes?

Speaker 6 (01:24:31):
Absolutely, you can revenge a plant that you've reversed its
male right now, take it outside or not take outside,
put it on a twenty four hours light and it'll
revenge and it'll go back to a female.

Speaker 2 (01:24:42):
You know, and then can I flip that to flower?

Speaker 6 (01:24:45):
Yeah, you can flip that to flowers just fine.

Speaker 8 (01:24:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:24:47):
I don't know if i'd smoke it after being covered
with silver like that at some point.

Speaker 3 (01:24:51):
But you can use it to be a receiver, that's what.

Speaker 2 (01:24:53):
Yeah, let's go turn it out. I'm gonna work on that.
I'm gonna work it. Yeah a lot less.

Speaker 6 (01:24:59):
It's crazy, like going through a revetch process really brings
back a lot of vigor into a plant, like plants
that have been beat to shit, Like it's crazy to
watch it happen. I've done it with several plants that
I've just treated like ass bro and revenge them and
they come back full four and they love it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:17):
That's cool. That's really cool. It's just so the transformation
that cannabis goes through, bro and doing some of these
things with these plants is it's so cool when you
get to open up your tent, bro or whatever you're
doing room and you just get to get in there
and see it. It's awesome, dude.

Speaker 6 (01:25:34):
Yeah, reversals for me are stressful. I hate them. It's
so much easier to do a mail and let it
bust and get tons of seeds. There's no ifs, ifs
or you know what I mean that you're not gonna
be wasting money on a run that doesn't produce seed.
But yeah, everybody I know has like over time gets
reversal PTSD, Like I know, Pox got it, Fox got

(01:25:56):
the reversal PTSD. Now where like you miss a few,
you have a you like just not go. It's like, god, damn,
this sucks, like you never have a mail not bust nuts.

Speaker 2 (01:26:07):
You know, well, you just gotta I think for me,
like just putting having a little four by four off
by itself, dude, in a different space. That's it man.
I mean I'm not I'm not like out here trying
to supply the world with seeds. So it's like, you know, uh,
for me, a full four by four is cool if
it doesn't work out.

Speaker 6 (01:26:24):
I was you know it is that's money into electricity,
space and time that you could be doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
True, I could be buying video games and hookers and
only we're talking about the nerdy ship. Man, We're we nerds.
It's okay, you gotta lose money, it's you can't take
it with us, right money trapping, trap and trapping you
should know this, Matt, You've got your highs in your
loves uh And that's the way she goes.

Speaker 6 (01:26:51):
Yeah, Yeah, I've done I've done early on, I was
doing Dan said, I've done one branch reversals, but when
than likely polminate more than just the branch reverse. I've
done reversals where I just let the reverse plant pollinate itself.
Early on, That's how I was doing it, which isn't
highly advised, but like the way I was doing it

(01:27:11):
was letting it go like three weeks into flower as
a female so it develops hairs, and flipping it from there,
and then letting it develop male parts around all these
things pollinate the hairs that are still alive, and boom.
I've been making seeds inside itself. But I don't recommend that.
It's not very easy to do, not getting very many
seeds doing that. So early on my reverse packs, my

(01:27:33):
feminized packs would be you know, maybe thirty to forty
packs total. You know, I wouldn't make a lot of
seeds that way, but I'd learned a weird way, you know,
like it was the beginning of fem making. So we
were still playing and thinking, thinking we had to figure
it out.

Speaker 2 (01:27:50):
Man, I think my timing is going to be perfect
the way it's finned up. But luckily on that one
that I'm reversing, with those few buds that are still
not reverse, I think they might be able to get
a little received some pollen too, Bro. So hopefully Tom
and whise I get a few seeds. That'd be kind
of cool.

Speaker 3 (01:28:07):
Bro.

Speaker 6 (01:28:08):
Yeah, more seeds, the merrier. I hope you do a
bunch of sour different different sour hybrids. Yes, sir, I'm
doing a reversal outside this year if all goes well
with the blue in cross. I've got a lot of
stuff to be receivers now, a lot of different stuff.
I've had to pop a lot more because I've burned
my shit up outside during my my three phase and
as an organic gardener it didn't work out. So yeah,

(01:28:31):
back to, like I said, back to pro mix and
bottles and outdoor and making everything shine.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
Shout out to the outdoor growers, man. I mean, dude,
it's like I don't have a lot of experience outdoors man,
just from like being in a state where it wasn't legal,
and shit, it's just kind of puck your butt up
a little bit trying to do that kind of stuff,
but up here where I can do it legally. Bro Uh,
it's fucking it's a it's a learning curve for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:28:54):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:28:54):
It's Scott always a challenge, a lot of work, a
lot sweaty asshole. And I try to show my wife
what I'm doing. She don't give a fuck. Yeah, nope, no,
no browning points man.

Speaker 6 (01:29:09):
You know, all right, screw you got anything to say
for They.

Speaker 3 (01:29:16):
Make sure that you guys drink your daily ration of
heavy whipping cream.

Speaker 6 (01:29:22):
Heavy whipping cream, and coats and throat coats, throat work
on making your thighs meaty.

Speaker 1 (01:29:27):
Two.

Speaker 2 (01:29:30):
Dan says, I got seventeen S one seed shruck. Hope
you get more. It was viable and everything else though, well,
I'll be happy with seventeen, dude.

Speaker 3 (01:29:39):
I mean. So that's an interesting thing too, because there's
you know, there's several other plants that are self sterile.
How often do you see that in cannabis, Matt where
it what? It doesn't make, you know, any or a

(01:30:03):
very low amount of s ones, but it does pollinate
other things.

Speaker 6 (01:30:09):
The Irene, the Irene did that for CSI. I haven't
really experienced that, but the Irene did that for CSI,
where it wasn't making very many s ones, but it
made a shitload hybrids. And there is something to be
said about like plants pollinating themselves, whether they're super inbred
or not, whether it takes. We don't really know the
answer to any of that, but it has been experienced.

Speaker 2 (01:30:27):
And what what plants are challenging as far as like
as you know, maybe they're throwing dud pollen or whatever, like,
what what ones should people look out for when they're
reversal e CSD? Oh God, why'd you do that? Chucky?

Speaker 6 (01:30:43):
Don't kittles uh o g cush any og old og
cush clones, A lot of the same things like that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:52):
I got you, well, hey might be even one and done, Matt.
We might be going back to rags. I might be
sitting there with a park fam fuck s one ship.

Speaker 6 (01:31:01):
Yeah, PTSD coming soon.

Speaker 2 (01:31:03):
Nah, we're gonna. I've been saying my prayers to Kim God. Dude,
he's got me, Fam, I swear we got Greg.

Speaker 6 (01:31:10):
We got not that, not that guy who's a kim
God resdag.

Speaker 2 (01:31:15):
It's just a spiritual being, dude. He's not anyone or
it's not a he or she, but I will say this, man,
I was thinking, like I was thinking about getting a
white run shirt, ripping it off and underneath it'd be
on Kim or Kim Dog. But I was thinking, that's
a lawsuit waiting to happen and probably right maybe.

Speaker 6 (01:31:33):
Speaking of which, before we go, there was a guy
who did a brand new show for documentary style thing
on YouTube about what's in Sour. I want to say,
I don't remember what the guy. I would say his
website or his show name, l g TC something I
don't know. I've never heard of the guy before he
threw me, uh a snippet from an interview with me

(01:31:57):
and clopping it. But then the guy for seeds to
talk about how kim B is the one and how
kim B isn't related to anything but sour and some
whack could do shit. Man, I'm freaking use my image
and shit. At least get your ship right and watch
the whole episode. God damn. So it is good for
a laugh, but everybody has their theories and kim Be

(01:32:19):
should not be one of them for anyone, because nobody
knew was what the kim B was. So I just
wanted to put that out there if people watch that,
use your skepticism, use your logic. We have great episodes
on Kim what they might be, what they could be
using points of view for me CSI all the guys
in the group H and L really guys that have

(01:32:40):
grown all the Kims in the first place that are available.
That's really important and growing them for the longest. So yeah,
check out which H and L.

Speaker 3 (01:32:50):
H and L is the one who started that Kim thread.

Speaker 6 (01:32:54):
Yes, the thread that is right. He was the first
one to really try to put together a thread that
everybody could see on finding out what's the deal with
these keems. The pictures of Kim one through four are
up there, and I believe d and ninety one.

Speaker 3 (01:33:10):
It was.

Speaker 6 (01:33:11):
It was a it was a curveball back then. Nobody
was really doing it Pie but had put a bunch
of pictures out there so really dumb shit. Joe Brand
had as well, things that weren't Kim ninety one. If
Joe Brand is no longer with us, rested, rest in peace.
Grower man the grower in the sky. Uh. But yeah,
they it's it's always been one of those things that's

(01:33:31):
very controversial. But I don't think in the end it's
super controversial or hard to figure out what what the
keems are. Uh. With that said, again, kem B was
not one of the options that anybody played with. So
maybe it was the male that Kim Greg said existed
when they popped the seeds, that he also said didn't
exist later on it never happened. Maybe it was that

(01:33:52):
guy who knows. I don't know what kem B was,
but it certainly isn't hav anything.

Speaker 3 (01:33:57):
To do with sour.

Speaker 6 (01:34:00):
Anyway. I guess that's it, Chucky. Do you got anything
else to say?

Speaker 2 (01:34:05):
Well, Jim, I can't ever say motherfucker's name. Jam says
you're gonna make the first cam auto. I will say
I got from reg Otto's outside. Uh, I'm gonna try
to get him a skeet on you know how when
you got cuts, guys go through go through the Kim
d out there. So I don't know if it'll be
making in time, but I'm gonna.

Speaker 6 (01:34:27):
I mean, I actually do have that. That trophy Cam
four oh g was the very first Kim Auto when
I made it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:34):
Hey, let me get them seeds, man, what the fuck? Hey? Well,
the last last back? Are you sure?

Speaker 6 (01:34:41):
The very last last I hears that.

Speaker 2 (01:34:46):
So who's that? I don't even know who you're talking
I don't I don't even know what you're talking about.

Speaker 6 (01:34:50):
Whatever, you don't know who he is? No, anyway, go
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Got everything in there you need, uh you can get.
You can get our discord, watch our movies with us,
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(01:35:12):
first to everything that we talk about. You get to
hear me bitch about politics. You get to hear everything
Chucky constantly ranting about politics in which politician he loves
more or less?

Speaker 4 (01:35:22):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:35:22):
Oh yeah.

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Speaker 2 (01:35:57):
Uh, I'll I'll be quick if you guys want to
support Chucky. I do like Mountain Dew. I'll take a
twelve pack, but I prefer twenty four. I like Code
Red and regular Mountain Dew, but I prefer Cool Red.

Speaker 6 (01:36:10):
What's your website, Chucky?

Speaker 2 (01:36:12):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:36:13):
Stop it, put it out there.

Speaker 2 (01:36:16):
I got the shirt on today, motherfuckers.

Speaker 6 (01:36:18):
Check dot com.

Speaker 2 (01:36:20):
Yeah, it ain't working. Chuck yourself dot com. I ain't
got much on there yourself dot com.

Speaker 6 (01:36:25):
That's right, Yeah, people can together. What's the other podcast?

Speaker 3 (01:36:30):
Fuck? I forgot bro.

Speaker 2 (01:36:32):
Maa Memory Mafia on the YouTuber Spotify. We're gonna get
you on there too, Matt. We want to hear about
your video game history.

Speaker 3 (01:36:39):
Matt.

Speaker 2 (01:36:40):
I've got a.

Speaker 6 (01:36:40):
Video gaming history, it's just not as expansive as some.

Speaker 2 (01:36:43):
Well, I want to hear what the sixties are like.
You know, yeah, when I got.

Speaker 6 (01:36:47):
The sixties and eighties and nineties and seventies, I didn't
play in the seventies doing porn.

Speaker 2 (01:36:51):
Well, you would have been a lot. You would have
been alive in the Arcadere or like ARCADERA Right, that'd
be cool out and CALLI and shit, that'd be kind
of cool to hear about.

Speaker 6 (01:37:00):
That was fun.

Speaker 2 (01:37:02):
Hell, Yeah, I appreciate you guys and gals support. I
know we joke around, have fun. I don't don't take
it to heart. Uh, you know, just having fun.

Speaker 6 (01:37:08):
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Speaker 2 (01:37:20):
I love women. I respect you.

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Speaker 2 (01:37:23):
And mom's puss I'm respect them all right.

Speaker 6 (01:37:28):
Screw you got anything?

Speaker 3 (01:37:29):
Yeah, nope, nope, I'm good.

Speaker 6 (01:37:33):
You look Mexican. Screw. I think you're one of the plan.
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