June 26, 2025 • 35 mins
Today on Brewsers, we talk to Jess E James. We talk about his background in martial arts, his love for the Macho Man, and so much more. You can see him this Sunday at the Dogg Pound Championship Wrestling show, Paradox in San Antonio, Texas. Follow us on instagram and twitter at Brewserspod. Like, share, review, enjoy and cheers. #brewsers #brewserspod #Enjoylife #DrinkLocal #Cheers
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Speaker 1 (00:20):
Welcome to Bruisers, a podcast but beer, coffee, Booze and Bruisers.
I'm your host, Rody John and today we talked to
Jesse James. We talk about his background in martial arts,
his love for the macho man, and so much more.
You can see him this coming Sunday at the Dog
Pound Championship Wrestling Show Paradox in San Antonio, Texas. So,
without further ado, here is Jesse James.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
I would like to welcome the show. Jesse James. How
are you doing today, sir?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
I'm feeling great. How are you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I'm doing well. So for those listening kind of paintings
for wordpick sit where you at? What's going on around.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
You in San Antonio, Texas?
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Getting ready for my training today, which consists of Muay Thai,
jiu jitsu, then pro wrestling.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
So stack Thursday.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
What does your normal weekly schedule look like?
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Well, when schools and session, I'm a high school substitute teacher,
so I'll work the eight to four or eight to
five whatever, and then if it's a Monday or Wednesday,
I usually chill to pro wrestling training. If it's a
Tuesday and Thursday, then I have responsibilities as a muy
Tai instructor and a Brazilian jiu jitsu instructor. So I'll
go from nine or eight to four thirty. Class starts
(01:43):
at five the kids class of moy THI, then I'll
teach that. I'll teach the adults class of oy Ti
at six. Then I'll teach the adults class of Brazilian
jiu jitsu at seven, and then I'll head over to
pro wrestling around eight thirty, and then I'll finish off the.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Day at ten ten pm.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
It all over again Monday and Wednesdays. I gotta break
to nap. Tuesday pretty stacked for me. Friday, I have
no classes to teach and no training, So I got
Friday off and it's Saturday. If I have a show,
then I do a show.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Right, What does recovery look like for you?
Speaker 4 (02:16):
After the day is done, I'll have a protein shake,
I'll eat my meal, and I take a lot of
naps for sure. If I have like an hour or
nap between like Monday Wednesday, I'm napping. Yeah. Sometimes I'll
get off work a little early. If I'm like teaching
a half day, then I'll definitely take a nap. Tuesday Thursday.
(02:36):
I definitely go I'm at the age where I got
a nap before I train.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Makes sense, I get it. Well, let's go all the
way back in time. I want to go back in
time twice with you. First, what is your earliest memory
of pro wrestling?
Speaker 3 (02:48):
My earliest memory of pro wrestling?
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Yeah, it has to be the Megapowers, much of my
Savage and Hull Cogain watching them on TV fighting over
Miss Elizabeth and at the time everyone was in jhole
co Mania, but guy Macho Man was my favorite wrestler
as far as I can remember.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
What was it about Macho Man that really drew you
to him?
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Well, I like slim Gems. I liked his and he had.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Dark hair, so you know, I kind of you know,
related to him on that point. Had dark hair, Like.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Sorry about that. My dog was going crazy, huh, you
know little dogs.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
It was even to the point where when I was
a little kid, I'll kind of like I had I
had through temper tantrums sometimes and I'm matcham, I'm snacking,
you know.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Definitely a Machramn fan.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah, I mean, he wasn't the first to be like
the most flashy, but he did it like better than
anybody else did, like those rope like Rick Flair had
amazing robes, but macho man's robes and then the Macho
King's robes and being carried it on a the chariot
and everything like he did. It was so fantastic for.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
He definitely had the most personality in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah, and oh yeah there's promos too. It was crazy.
And what's funny is that he could have been in
the major leagues, like for baseball, but oh yeah, yeah,
but no, he was just no, I'm gonna do wrestling
and it worked out.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Actually read a story when he got cut from baseball,
he took all his bats and broke him on a tree,
and I was like, that's a badass.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Right. Well, let's go only back in time again. What
is your earliest memory of martial arts?
Speaker 3 (04:23):
My earliest memory of martial arts?
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Like you're talking about me watching TV or me training?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
I mean which I mean? I imagine TV came first.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Okay, So definitely watching Bruce Ly as a kid.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
Nice yeah, yeah, entered the Dragon, all that noise return
of the Dragon when he ripped up norses chessnut, So
I would definitely try to mimic Brucely too.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Power Rangers.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Ar Rangers were my first Arrangels was probably my first
intro to martial arts. I wanted to just take karate
at five years old. My dad's all, we don't have
money for that. Just watched TV.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
And that's a real martial arts.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Yeah for sure.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
I mean it is the original mixed martial arts. But
Bruce Lee was doing so.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Yeah, yeah, innovator.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
I mean he had g kundo, boxing, kuo wrestling, all
of it, man taekwondo, fancying events. I read a lot
of Bruce.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Yeah, and then he got so much shit for it
at the time too, Like obviously now everyone looks back
and he's like he's a pioneer, Like he's this guy
that's on a different level. But back then they were like,
oh no, no, no, no one's doing that. It's you
can't combine them. You have to have one or the other.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Yeah. And also, you know, people are real racist back then.
They don't want to try to Americans martial arts. So
they'll actually like sand like hits on him. They'll send
my masters from China to go challenge him. And if
you're a big conspiracy theory, you know, I like this
fascinated because he died from a brain aneurysm, right, like,
you know, it's like he could have been poisoned, you.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Know, oh for sure. Yeah, and I didn't think about that.
But that does make more sense because they'll just be like,
oh no, it was this and be like oh.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Yeah, especially in the seventies where the that's great and
then his son freaking dies from an accident on the
set of The Crow, so you know, off the whole
mail lineage.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
You know, Well, I'm curious, like, I mean, obviously that
movie got as big as it did because unfortunately he
did die on I mean, same thing with The Dark Knight, Like, yes,
he did a great performance, but where would it have
been if he didn't die? But the same thing with
The Crow, Like, yeah, he did a great performance, but
what would have happened to him afterwards? Like where would
he have gone? And like maybe even done anything more
(06:32):
because he didn't really do any martial arts in that
movie that I remember, No.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Not really, just yea being an actor, you know, right.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Weird almost. I always wondered that about the Lenin kids too,
Like John Lennon's kids. I wonder somebody's going to try
to come after them now oh yeah, yeah, yeah, but
they've done they've done great for themselves as being artists,
so it worked out.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Yeah, And you know, the whole John Lennon case was
like one crazy person.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
That was like it's always one random crazy white ones, right,
like it's weird, right.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
It was a really just fanatic. They're not bigger than Jesus.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Yeah. Well, and I mean dine back Daryl from Pantera
the same thing, like some rando dude was like you're
the reason why Pantera broke up and he was crazy
and shot him on stage like what are we doing?
Mm hmmm yeah, oh people with guns. Well, so how
did you how did you make the transition of wanting Well,
actually no, yeah, when did you start training martial arts?
Speaker 4 (07:27):
I started training martial arts at seventeen years old. I
got beat up by local ruffians. They claimed the big bloods,
but he grew up in the suburbs, so you know.
But what happened was we were a bunch of skater
dudes and then we were skating under turf and they
just want to be assholes and they throw our skateboards
into the duck pond and they beat us up. And
(07:48):
then from then I was like, oh, that's not happening
to me again. So I looked at martial arts school
and then this is about two thousand and seven and
Ng bach Tony Java was very popular at the time.
So I was like, oh, I want to do muy Thai.
So I took the muay Thai and then from there
I had like a like an amateur fighting muay Thai.
And then I was like, I want to do mma.
I want to do usc stuff. So I started looking
(08:10):
to Brazilian jiu jitsu and then I kind of fell
in love with the sport of jiu jitsu. Man, I'm
a multi champion in Brazilian jiu jitsu. I'm a black belt.
I got five championship belts and I did I did
two fights MMA, and then I tore my bicet. Yeah,
like you can't really say on this camera, but it splits.
It's not like it doesn't look like a good bicet,
Like this is a good bicet. This one splits down
(08:32):
the middle. Oh, I see that, you see it right there,
splits right there down the middle. So from then I
was like, I'm not gonna fight him anymore because I
thought like I didn't have health insurance, so I had
to rehab my arm by myself, like literally looking soup
pans and you know, spray paint bottles and cuts and
as I was like, damn, that's a bum deal.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
But then I started looking at what can I do
with my martial arts and make money.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Off of it?
Speaker 4 (08:56):
All pro wrestling. I like to wrestle, so start training
pro wrestling. I looked up pro wrestling schools in San
Antonio and I came out across Funaki right kind, Yeah
he's he teaches at the Hybrid School of Wrestling. So
I started training there. Been there for five years. Now
I'm training at the Dog Pound Dojo with Rodney Mack
(09:18):
and Jazz right just trying to get all the knowledge
I can in San Antonio's from people actually like been
there at the top.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
No see what I can do with it.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I'm just so I say, Soda pops down there too, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Now I I came across. I worked with them at
the first n w A show up here in forty like,
I just did some backstage video stuff. But then I
kept up with Jazz and I saw her out in
Vegas and I'm trying to get work down there as
(09:47):
a commentator or ring announcer, So fingers crossed that that
actually works out. I mean, dog I would they're doing
down to the dog pound is absolutely great. I loved
everybody I had come across when they were up here
was just raving about it, and all the students seem
very respectful, and I loved it. Like would tell for
people who don't know what's happening in the state of Texas,
(10:09):
but also South Texas when it comes to talent, and
then obviously what they're doing with the dog Pound, like
how much talent's coming through there.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
That's a dog pound.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Yeah, we're in just South Texas too, and like.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
The San Antonio. In Texas in general, there's like a
there's a wealth of talent.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
There's a lot.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Every seminar, dude, they're all like, man, there's too much
in Texas. You guys need to get out of Texas,
seeing like everyone says that, like Texas is like a
black hole because there's just too much coming out, you know,
like if you want to, you know, get your name
out there, you need to start taking books in Louisiana,
Oklahoma and starts spreading out of Texas and then you'll
(10:46):
So that's crazy. How much talents in Texas?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Yeah, I see it all the time, and I was
seeing it even before I got lucky enough to be
in the business, and I was like, God damn, Like
why is this person out signed? Why is this person outsign?
But like you said, if you don't get out of
your bubble, nobody's gonna see you. You're also not really
gonna get challenged because you're not doing things in front
of Yeah, things work here in Texas, but like you said,
(11:09):
is it gonna work in Louisiana? Is it gonna work
in Oklahoma? Arkansas? Like even up to Chicago, Like you
just never know until you get out there.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Yeah, there's just so much different promotions in Texas. So
it's like it's really hard to keep tracking. It's hard
to stand out when everyone's good.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
So yeah, well, so how long have you been in
the business now?
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Wrestling? I started wrestling, I started training and the end
of twenty nineteen towards twenty twenty, so five and a
half years.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
What a fun time to come in the business.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Yeah, definitely, especially because COVID happened and then we had
to stop training for a little bit, and then I
had to keep in shape by myself, like working out. Thankfully,
I had all the martial arts training that could stay
in top shape. So then we came back into it
and we fucking had a train with the masks on.
And that's sucked because you can breathe.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yeah, you getting yeah, yeah, oh yeah, yeah, you're also
sweating like crazy, and it's just yeah, it's not a
pretty situation.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Well, so when it comes to I mean, having the
BJJ background and you're still obviously you know, competing and
winning championships, how is it like creating the move set
or bringing that over to the world and pro wrestling.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Uh, definitely a lot in the chain wrestling, Yeah, yeah,
I could chain wrestle with the best of them, and
I could pull out moves that people never really seen before.
It's pretty cool. It's like shoot style definitely in the strikes,
I had to learn to kind of hold back and
not killed up on it, you know, without anything work hits.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
So that took a while.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
But yeah, definitely, I think incorporating like shoot Style and
DJJ is kind of where pro.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Wrestling as a whole is kind of going to.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
Yeah, like I got to ride that wave.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yeah, I mean blood Sport with there. What Josh Barnett's
doing is phenomenal.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Yeah, that's when my goals.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Yeah, I think I've seen some Texas company try to
do it. We're something similar. It's called Okay then yeah, yeah,
tell us about that.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
I wrestled for uh it's Baracho Pro as a company.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
And then the show is called Grapple Quest And so
far they've had too and I've been on I've been
lucky enough to be on both of them. So it's
pretty much the formats like blood Sport, it's gonna be
a ring, a ring with no ropes, and then you're
supposed to look like So what I did was I'll
be like, tell my point, I'm just gonna I'm gonna
wrestle you and I'm not gonna submit you like catch
(13:35):
and release, just to make it look as real as possible.
And then it's you know, k Favids, there's gonna be
a scripted outcome, so you just worked that scripted outcome,
but you want to make it look real, right, and
running the ropes to none of that, So you're just
like chain wrestling the whole time, getting from run one
hole to the other. And then maybe you could. If
you're working with the guy, You're like, all right, let's
do something. Let's do slam to get them back up
(13:57):
the crowd behind us. So we'll do like a fucking
body slam, and instead of going for a plange, you're
going to try to go for a submission hold. Now.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
I mean we're seeing, obviously with the rise of BJJ,
where people before when they're watching UFC fights, the people
in person would just you know, be super upset and
start booing and whatever when people went to the mat.
Now they're actually cheering and kind of figuring out what's
going on. And then obviously we're seeing UFC start their
own BJJ company, like with the rise of that and
(14:24):
people getting more smart to the I guess how the
whole martial art works. How do you think that is
going to you know, continue on in the future.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Yeah, Like you said, definitely, the crowd's being more educated
and not the MMA crowd, the WWE crowd too.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
So I think.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
A lot of chain wrestling, a lot of shoot style,
a lot of grappling stuff is going to be more
incorporated and pro wrestling. And in MMA, of course, everyone's
gonna want to you know, dominate the fight on the
ground and get a quick submission victory instead of you know,
taking abuse, standing and taking punches all day.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
And you notice now and modern UFC, all the champions
are gonna be really good grapplers. Either gonna be a
ensemble Russian dude or was a jiu jitsu guy.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yeah. Oh yeah. If you don't have good wrestling and
or wrestling defense, like you're second work out well for
you in the UFC right.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Now, yeah, right now, like all the strikers are getting cooked.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Mm hmm big time. Yeah, yeah, it is funny. I
was curious when Umar went for the title it didn't
get it, and I was like, oh man, we dodged
another bullet on that one.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Yeah yeah, but you want to.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
And he's, you know, he's a strong ensemble guy. He's
he's a machine like he just outgrapples everyone too. But
that was that was a good fight, and they're gonna
reschedule it Umar versus Marov because Lumar was the only
person to bust open Marab and make them dig deep.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Oh I thought they were going to do the Oh
who did they? Yeah, what's what's his name? He was
literally there anyway, I thought they were doing somebody else
instead of Umar Agan.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
They did Sean.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
Sean just lost, Yeah, he just lost, and so I
think Umar's next. I think they're doing the rematch.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
I thought it was what's it now? I really thought
it was something. Whoever was actually there at the fights.
They put the camera on him and they asked about him,
but I can't remember his.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Name to Cody.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Sean O'Malley what yeah, because they have beef against each other.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Well, it's fine, but maybe do the winner of okay?
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Well, and also Cody's been out for a couple of
years just to go a lot of title shot isn't really.
I think he's gonna gonna make him earn it. I
think he's gonna have to beat Sean and then he'll be.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Yeah. I know people were I remember they were rumoring
Sean and cheetoh again.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Oh yeah that too. That freaking eye tattoo he looks. Yeah,
he's crazy.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
I was like, holy sh it, good for you. Good
thing you're a fighter, yea yeah, yeah. Well so you
mentioned you're a black belt in jiu jitsu, and I've
heard that once you do reach black belt level, now
you're the least ranked black belt there is, and so
you kind of start from the bottom again. What have
you kind of learned when you, you know, did get
(17:19):
that black belt? What more have you learned from then?
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Damn, there's definitely a jumping into a deeper pool of competition, because, dude,
I also hungry to get my black belt.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
I was winning everything.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
That's when I won most of my championship belts, and
then as black belt, it's a like, fuck, now I'm
losing again against black belts and black belts for fifteen years.
You know, I'm a fresh black belt, and so it sucks.
It kind of like it's like you said, starting all
over again. But I'm at the point now where I'm
not as hungry to compete.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
I'm just here to make money and teach there you know.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Well, I mean, if a new belt design comes from
my way, I might compete for it, but as far
as travel like around Texas to compete just for the
glory of it, I'm kind of done with that.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Okay, there's nothing wrong with that, you know.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
I Mean it's kind of like I was hungry and
I'm bad. I don't really got anything to prove anymore.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
That's true. So what do you what do you, I mean,
what is it about for wrestling that makes you still hungry?
Speaker 4 (18:20):
I want to get a trampionship done and pro wrestling,
I want that glory. I want to be on TV man.
I want to live a dream. I want to get
a contract and not organize the five and a more
and you know, traveling rock star.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Yeah, that's exactly what that lifestyle is too. I mean,
plus you would also you know, yes, there are some
chain wrestling when it comes to like a WWE, but
for the most part, it is kind of the hybrid
WWE what the world of wrestling kind of looks like
right now as well. And there's not as many Matt
guys or guys doing the chain wrestling stuff, which I
(18:56):
was I think is very interesting because especially whenever they
go to Saudi, they love the BJJ over there, So
I think if they did have more people that were
doing the mass up with the BJJ background that I
think that would help out a loup them even in
a bigger market.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Oh yeah, yeah, you're talking about what WW goes to
Saudi Arabia ye round jewels stuff.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Yeah, definitely, yeah, I noticed that.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Yeah, I mean it's I mean, they're doing what Night
of Champions I think is the next pay per view
and yeah, yeah, Sena and Punk again for the for
the quote unquote last time.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Well, so I know travel days and show days can
be pretty you know, long and extensive. What are some
standards you normally always have in your bag.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
When I'm traveling to the show.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Let's see, I gotta have a change of contacts just
in case one will gets knocked out. I gotta have
peanut butter so this neck on, maybe some granola bars,
some gatorade water.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Of course, I.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Gotta have reading material comic books if I'm not driving, Okay,
and it was something of.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
C yeah makes it.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Here in Texas, it's gonna they're getting a little harder.
But yeah, but yeah, upset, What the what comic books
are you reading right now?
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Dude, honestly, I have so much comicooks.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
I just grab something from a random like pile that
I haven't read, and then, like, if I it's very rare,
I buy comics somewhere just because I have so much
that I haven't read. But anything, Man, Marvel, DC, Image, manga,
even I like everything.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Right now.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
I think the last actual thing I bought was Ninja
Turtles and Ghostbusters because I like the crossover stuff, so
I'll probably buy a crossover comic if I don't have
it already.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Yeah. I always like those too, because you do get like,
how are they going to be in their world or
yeah yeah, yeah, and.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
It reminds me of being a kid and crossing over
with the toys, like, oh yeah, you'll meet the ghost Busters.
You know, it's fun.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
I actually did with my well. I would always make
him wrestling action figures where even if it was he
man like, he'd be mister perfect it was. But those
legs always break. They not weighed the way they should be.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
They're made with rubber bands that he like a rubber
band in between the crotch, and then that's always the
first thing to.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Go yep, curious. I was always like, God, damn it,
no leg moves here.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Can't do the sharp shooter for anybody.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Yeah, you could actually look them up how to pick
someone YouTube.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
I've been doing that.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
I picked my old toys.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Oh you kept him?
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Yeah yeah, I keep all my old stuff.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
I'm very fortunate.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
I mean, my family moved a lot, but my mom
was always a little oh we got to keep our stuff.
She's like kind of like a order of not really,
but yeah. My dad was the opposite though. He would
like be like, you don't clean your shit up, I'm
gonna throw it out or I'm gonna have a garage cell,
you know.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
So we would always like.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
He always kept us on line that we would keep
our stuff and like hidden away or a good condition,
so in it, throw it away or whatever.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
That's actually really smart. Like I imagine as a kid
you were like, man, you used to being so mean,
but looking back, it's actually really smart.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Yeah, like reverse psychology.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Yeah, well, so who are some of the veterans that
you kind of go to, you know, in both worlds,
you know, BJJ world and when it comes to pro wrestling.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
Oh well, my coaches for sure, my pro wrestling coaches
now Rodney Mack and Jazz, and they've taught me a
lot on the psychology of wrestling.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
In my old wrestling.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
School, there's a lot of people, so it was all
about I'll get a spot, get a spot, get a spot,
and then you know you're done or whatever.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
But you kind of go through the cracks.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
A little bit, especially because the old coach played favorites,
and I wasn't really favorite, but Rodney Mack and Jazz,
I feel like I'm seeing now they're teaching me stuff
that you know, I wasn't getting at the old place.
So I feel really enrich now. And Jack said, I
want to get you TV ready, so she's showing me
all the stuff like you know, how to pop on TV,
which which was helping me get to the next level.
(23:03):
As far as my martial arts coach, his name is
Diego Gaminal. He's a three time world champion of jiu jitsu.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Damn yeah he was.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
He coached me through my all my MMA fights. Then
he's like a he's like a brother to me. So yeah,
I'm there for I told him when he gave my
black belt, I'm like, if you need anything from me,
just you know, a phone call away. So now he'll
have me teach classes like if he needs to go
out of town stuff. And he pays me too, so
you know he's not taking advantage of me.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Yeah, you're not getting worked.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
No, I'm not getting worked. He really looks out for
my best interest.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
How long have you been an instructor? Now?
Speaker 4 (23:41):
I got my black belt twenty twenty one and I
was instructing as a brown cult so well since twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Yeah, nice, what what do you kind of I mean,
every instructor and coach is going to be different. What
is your kind of method for kind of helping and
showing people?
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Dang? Okay.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
As far as kids, I don't like to be too
hard on kids because then there I did not want
to do it. I kind of meet them halfway. As
long as they're doing it, I'll let them play around
for a little bit. And I know sometimes my coaches
like that, like you're too leany, but it is what
it is. As far as adults, kind of like the
same philosophy. Man, if you have any questions, I'll be
(24:25):
happy to show you.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
You know, come to me.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
I'll help you. I'm not the type that'd be like,
oh you're come up and be like, oh, you're doing
this wrong. I'll come up and if you're doing the
wrong back, hey, you need some help, you know, maybe
you know.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
But I'm not.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Very like strict at all As the instructor. This is
supposed to be a hobby, you know.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Right, Yeah, it's supposed to just be fun. Yeah, obviously
serious but fun at the same time. M h Yeah,
because none of y'all try to kill each other while
you're you know, in there.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
The opposite actually, yeah, supposed to be like the better
judicial instructor is or the better you just jiu jitsu practitioner.
As a guy that flow rolls around your style, you know,
he'll find a submission because you gave it to him
and stead, you know, butt heads and eventually someone's gonna
hurt them.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
So yeah, coming at me like this, I'm like, go, oh,
run you know.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Like water. Yes, exactly, Bruce Lee.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Yep, perfect.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Yeah, And that's how I was able to, I guess
do jiu jitsu so long, even as a little guy,
because I'm not six foot. I'm five eight on a
good day, and you know, and I'll be wrestling dudes
that are like six foot three hundred pounds and that's
how I beat them, you know. And they're coming at
me some of a black belt. Everyone wants to tap
the black belt. Everyone wants to get a black belt
submission for their ego.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Yeah, I was gonna say, once you did get that
black belt, I imagine that was probably one of the
other things. It's like people were at you even harder
because yeah, they want that black belt on their record.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Yeah, you definitely paying a target on your back.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
But you know, you learn, like I said, you learn
how to use someone's aggression against them, their strength against them.
So it's good and if you're in a bad spot,
you definitely will find a way out.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Or are you more of a Gee or no Gi
guy gy guys?
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (26:14):
I like ge stuff, man, I like learning the kimono
and you know, looking like a samurai, like the poetry
of it all.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
But definitely in Gee two there's more techniques to use.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
You grab the lapels, get choking with the lapels, you
grab the sleeves of judo stuff. No Gi is more
like uh like like you know, Matt wrestling like gre
Coronan wrestling intensively real, more more grimy and sweaty, and
you know you're gonna have you definitely have to dude
(26:46):
sweat all over you at least mean that ship off.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
It's more clean.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Yeah, you're not wrong for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
And also it's harder to get subs and nog because
you're more slippery unless you're a leg locked artists, and
it's easier to.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Get stubs right m hm, Well, I mean you as
you're doing this and obviously per wrestling, like you, you're
mentally having to be stronger as well. What are kind
of some mental workouts that you kind of do on
a regular basis.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
I'm a I'm a big painter, bro.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Is that what years behind you? That Jimmy Hendrick.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the That's one of what I
did is Jimmy Hendrix and.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Beatles. Yeah, all those those my favorite rock stars. So yeah,
this is this is my mom's house. I have all
my paintings at my house. I definitely have my belts
upstairs from one of those. But yeah, I think you
compress from you know, the stresses of the day with uh,
with painting and reading comic books.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Something that's gonna like, I guess wind me down right.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
How you been painting for?
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Oh man?
Speaker 4 (27:54):
I've been doing art my whole life. I started messing
with painting like a crylic and oil paint in college.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
I got my degree in fine arts.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Awesome.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
Yeah yeah yeah, And I'm currently going through teacher certification
of being a high school art teacher because I'm a
sub right now, so I'm trying to be a full
time art teacher. And I got to do all these
hours on the computer.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
So yeah, that's awesome, thank you. What is painting your
favorite media more?
Speaker 4 (28:21):
Yeah, I like acrylic paints because I mean, if you
mess it up, you just paint over it.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
You know.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
It's not very Yeah, it's not very permanent.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Yeah, I haven't I haven't painted in a long time,
and I thought about keep getting back into it. But
also I feel like the investment up front is I
need to figure that part.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Out what I like to do.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
Even if I want to paint something but I don't
like have a direction. I'll get like small, little hand
sized paintings and then I'll like, look at a picture
of a superhero, just just stimulate in my mind, and
you know, do just like a quick superhero painting and
I'll post it on Facebook and sometimes peop want to
buy it. I'm like, okay, that's cool because pop culture
paintings usually smell sell and it's something that small. Probably
(29:04):
take me like a couple of days to do and
then keep my mind going and then I'll probably make money.
If not, I'll let it stack for a while and
then I'll do like market days or I'll just put
all my paintings out in the market and sometimes I'll
sell it that way.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
That's cool. Okay, I have not thought about doing that.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Yeah, market days are usually cheap, like thirty dollars to
set up.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
I've bad at all. Okay, Well, I have a segment show.
I call it the five Count. It's just five random questions. Okay,
what are you nerding out on right now?
Speaker 3 (29:37):
What am I nerding out.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
On right now?
Speaker 3 (29:41):
The Big Bank Theory?
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Yeah, okay, yeah, I went back.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
I'm watching every episode of The Big Bank Theory because
when I was out on TV like ten years ago,
I wasn't into it.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Yeah, now that ten years I passed.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
It was like my dad's favorite show, and he passed
away a couple of years ago. So now I'm like
rewatching it in his honor. And I'm like a nerd too,
so I get every reference. I'm like, damn, I've been
missing out for ten years. I love this show.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Yeah. When we were at when we're in Vegas, we
spent a lot of time sleeping, which is usually the
opposite of what people do in Vegas, but you know,
wrestling days or long days, and so we were when
anytime we were in the room, Big Bang Theory was
on some channel. So Yeah, we watched quite a bit.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Of that and it's a comfort show too. It makes
you feel good, right.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Number two, if you owned a liquor company, brewery, winery,
or coffee shop, which one would you own and what
would the name.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Be, like a brewery, line or coffee shop. Definitely something
with whiskey. I feel like a lot of old fashions.
That's my favorite cocktail.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
I don't want to.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
Say proper twelve, but because it has a name in
the MMA community, so yeah, yeah, take it over from
Connor McGregor and make it a reputable business.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
He's not doing much good for his for his birth.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
They actually like cut him because he was back of
the city. I think they parted ways with him because
he was like part time owner.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Yeah, I know they initially bought it from him and
then kept him on as like an ambassador. But yeah,
his he got himself in trouble again.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Yeah, sexual assault allegations right.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Yep, but then still wants to be the Prime Minister
of Ireland. Okay, I don't think it's Yeah, what are
the last three things you googled?
Speaker 4 (31:28):
The last thing things like googled. Let me look on
my phone. Okay, the last eight things like Google, that's
not incognito and I'm chocking.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Uh, Darth Baane, the Star Wars character Darth Baine.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Okay you heard Darth bane No but.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Lord that they created uh in like the novel novel series,
and apparently he was supposed to be like just as
bad ass as Darth Vader. And you know, I never
really read into Darth Vane, so I was looking into
comics and novels of where I could read read with him,
read read his stories. So I was looking into Darth
(32:09):
Vane apparently. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Darth Vane. So that's
one of them. Let's see what else I looked into
that too? Yeah the Powers of Okay, Shanoby from Sea
played the game Genesis. Okay, so I was looking at
like Shanoby's sketches and like the powers he does, and
(32:31):
I play a game called for Honors, so I was
trying to make my ninja look like the Shannoby ninja
from Genesis.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
And then the third thing, the Last of Us Part two.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Oh yeah, I still had to watched that.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
I'm watching the show. I never played the game though,
so I'm watching the show.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
And then this last series, this last season ended on
a cliffhanger, and I kind of got greedy and I
wanted to read the whole story of what's gonna happen,
and so I guess did that And I'm like, that's
anti climactic. But I remember when I came out a
lot of people hated on it, so I can see why.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Yeah. Uh, who are what inspires you?
Speaker 4 (33:06):
Who are inspired me to wrestle or just in life?
Definitely my influences. Bruce Ley is one of them. I
want to be like macho man.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
My mom.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
You know, I want to take care of her.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
You know, I at least want to have money or
do something with my life, so when she can't take
care of herself, I'll be there for her that Uh.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
And what would you tell your seventeen year old self?
Speaker 4 (33:33):
Seventeen year old self that started martial arts? Stay the course, man,
there's a lot of glory in it. Don't give up,
don't let the ladies bring you down.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
It'll be true to yourself.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
And your friends will come and go, so don't be
invested too.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
Much in them.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Wow, there you go. Now, if people want to find
out more about you, uh, find you online, see you live,
or even by your art. How can they do all
the things?
Speaker 4 (34:02):
My Instagram is gonna be at black Belt Jesse James
sean to add me on Facebook just typing my full
name as on the screen Jesse Caamu or Jesse James Camou.
I'll be wrestling at the Dog Pound Show Paradox June
twenty ninth on Sunday, and also at Lafoarne, Texas on
(34:24):
the twenty eighth the day before for a benefit show
for a child with cancer named Rogan with NWA Texas
and Dog Pound.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
So see me there.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
I love it. Jesse, thank you so much for being
on the show. You know we live in the same state.
I imagine we're gonna cross path again soon and I
hope it's as sooner rather than later.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Yeah, me too. Nice to meet you, John, Nice me
and you.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Thank you so much to Jesse James for being on
the show again. Definitely make sure to head on down
to San Antonio or if you're already in the San
Antonio area, check them out at the Dog Pound Championship
Wrestling Show Paradox this Sunday. You are not gonna want
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(35:18):
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Speaker 2 (35:24):
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enjoy life, drink local, and cheers
Welcome to Bruisers, a podcast but beer, coffee, Booze and Bruisers.
I'm your host, Rody John and today we talked to
Jesse James. We talk about his background in martial arts,
his love for the macho man, and so much more.
You can see him this coming Sunday at the Dog
Pound Championship Wrestling Show Paradox in San Antonio, Texas. So,
without further ado, here is Jesse James.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
I would like to welcome the show. Jesse James. How
are you doing today, sir?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
I'm feeling great. How are you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I'm doing well. So for those listening kind of paintings
for wordpick sit where you at? What's going on around.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
You in San Antonio, Texas?
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Getting ready for my training today, which consists of Muay Thai,
jiu jitsu, then pro wrestling.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
So stack Thursday.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
What does your normal weekly schedule look like?
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Well, when schools and session, I'm a high school substitute teacher,
so I'll work the eight to four or eight to
five whatever, and then if it's a Monday or Wednesday,
I usually chill to pro wrestling training. If it's a
Tuesday and Thursday, then I have responsibilities as a muy
Tai instructor and a Brazilian jiu jitsu instructor. So I'll
go from nine or eight to four thirty. Class starts
(01:43):
at five the kids class of moy THI, then I'll
teach that. I'll teach the adults class of oy Ti
at six. Then I'll teach the adults class of Brazilian
jiu jitsu at seven, and then I'll head over to
pro wrestling around eight thirty, and then I'll finish off the.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Day at ten ten pm.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
It all over again Monday and Wednesdays. I gotta break
to nap. Tuesday pretty stacked for me. Friday, I have
no classes to teach and no training, So I got
Friday off and it's Saturday. If I have a show,
then I do a show.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Right, What does recovery look like for you?
Speaker 4 (02:16):
After the day is done, I'll have a protein shake,
I'll eat my meal, and I take a lot of
naps for sure. If I have like an hour or
nap between like Monday Wednesday, I'm napping. Yeah. Sometimes I'll
get off work a little early. If I'm like teaching
a half day, then I'll definitely take a nap. Tuesday Thursday.
(02:36):
I definitely go I'm at the age where I got
a nap before I train.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Makes sense, I get it. Well, let's go all the
way back in time. I want to go back in
time twice with you. First, what is your earliest memory
of pro wrestling?
Speaker 3 (02:48):
My earliest memory of pro wrestling?
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Yeah, it has to be the Megapowers, much of my
Savage and Hull Cogain watching them on TV fighting over
Miss Elizabeth and at the time everyone was in jhole
co Mania, but guy Macho Man was my favorite wrestler
as far as I can remember.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
What was it about Macho Man that really drew you
to him?
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Well, I like slim Gems. I liked his and he had.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Dark hair, so you know, I kind of you know,
related to him on that point. Had dark hair, Like.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Sorry about that. My dog was going crazy, huh, you
know little dogs.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
It was even to the point where when I was
a little kid, I'll kind of like I had I
had through temper tantrums sometimes and I'm matcham, I'm snacking,
you know.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Definitely a Machramn fan.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah, I mean, he wasn't the first to be like
the most flashy, but he did it like better than
anybody else did, like those rope like Rick Flair had
amazing robes, but macho man's robes and then the Macho
King's robes and being carried it on a the chariot
and everything like he did. It was so fantastic for.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
He definitely had the most personality in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah, and oh yeah there's promos too. It was crazy.
And what's funny is that he could have been in
the major leagues, like for baseball, but oh yeah, yeah,
but no, he was just no, I'm gonna do wrestling
and it worked out.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Actually read a story when he got cut from baseball,
he took all his bats and broke him on a tree,
and I was like, that's a badass.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Right. Well, let's go only back in time again. What
is your earliest memory of martial arts?
Speaker 3 (04:23):
My earliest memory of martial arts?
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Like you're talking about me watching TV or me training?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
I mean which I mean? I imagine TV came first.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Okay, So definitely watching Bruce Ly as a kid.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
Nice yeah, yeah, entered the Dragon, all that noise return
of the Dragon when he ripped up norses chessnut, So
I would definitely try to mimic Brucely too.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Power Rangers.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Ar Rangers were my first Arrangels was probably my first
intro to martial arts. I wanted to just take karate
at five years old. My dad's all, we don't have
money for that. Just watched TV.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
And that's a real martial arts.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Yeah for sure.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
I mean it is the original mixed martial arts. But
Bruce Lee was doing so.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Yeah, yeah, innovator.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
I mean he had g kundo, boxing, kuo wrestling, all
of it, man taekwondo, fancying events. I read a lot
of Bruce.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Yeah, and then he got so much shit for it
at the time too, Like obviously now everyone looks back
and he's like he's a pioneer, Like he's this guy
that's on a different level. But back then they were like,
oh no, no, no, no one's doing that. It's you
can't combine them. You have to have one or the other.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Yeah. And also, you know, people are real racist back then.
They don't want to try to Americans martial arts. So
they'll actually like sand like hits on him. They'll send
my masters from China to go challenge him. And if
you're a big conspiracy theory, you know, I like this
fascinated because he died from a brain aneurysm, right, like,
you know, it's like he could have been poisoned, you.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Know, oh for sure. Yeah, and I didn't think about that.
But that does make more sense because they'll just be like,
oh no, it was this and be like oh.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Yeah, especially in the seventies where the that's great and
then his son freaking dies from an accident on the
set of The Crow, so you know, off the whole
mail lineage.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
You know, Well, I'm curious, like, I mean, obviously that
movie got as big as it did because unfortunately he
did die on I mean, same thing with The Dark Knight, Like, yes,
he did a great performance, but where would it have
been if he didn't die? But the same thing with
The Crow, Like, yeah, he did a great performance, but
what would have happened to him afterwards? Like where would
he have gone? And like maybe even done anything more
(06:32):
because he didn't really do any martial arts in that
movie that I remember, No.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Not really, just yea being an actor, you know, right.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Weird almost. I always wondered that about the Lenin kids too,
Like John Lennon's kids. I wonder somebody's going to try
to come after them now oh yeah, yeah, yeah, but
they've done they've done great for themselves as being artists,
so it worked out.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Yeah, And you know, the whole John Lennon case was
like one crazy person.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
That was like it's always one random crazy white ones, right,
like it's weird, right.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
It was a really just fanatic. They're not bigger than Jesus.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Yeah. Well, and I mean dine back Daryl from Pantera
the same thing, like some rando dude was like you're
the reason why Pantera broke up and he was crazy
and shot him on stage like what are we doing?
Mm hmmm yeah, oh people with guns. Well, so how
did you how did you make the transition of wanting Well,
actually no, yeah, when did you start training martial arts?
Speaker 4 (07:27):
I started training martial arts at seventeen years old. I
got beat up by local ruffians. They claimed the big bloods,
but he grew up in the suburbs, so you know.
But what happened was we were a bunch of skater
dudes and then we were skating under turf and they
just want to be assholes and they throw our skateboards
into the duck pond and they beat us up. And
(07:48):
then from then I was like, oh, that's not happening
to me again. So I looked at martial arts school
and then this is about two thousand and seven and
Ng bach Tony Java was very popular at the time.
So I was like, oh, I want to do muy Thai.
So I took the muay Thai and then from there
I had like a like an amateur fighting muay Thai.
And then I was like, I want to do mma.
I want to do usc stuff. So I started looking
(08:10):
to Brazilian jiu jitsu and then I kind of fell
in love with the sport of jiu jitsu. Man, I'm
a multi champion in Brazilian jiu jitsu. I'm a black belt.
I got five championship belts and I did I did
two fights MMA, and then I tore my bicet. Yeah,
like you can't really say on this camera, but it splits.
It's not like it doesn't look like a good bicet,
Like this is a good bicet. This one splits down
(08:32):
the middle. Oh, I see that, you see it right there,
splits right there down the middle. So from then I
was like, I'm not gonna fight him anymore because I
thought like I didn't have health insurance, so I had
to rehab my arm by myself, like literally looking soup
pans and you know, spray paint bottles and cuts and
as I was like, damn, that's a bum deal.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
But then I started looking at what can I do
with my martial arts and make money.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Off of it?
Speaker 4 (08:56):
All pro wrestling. I like to wrestle, so start training
pro wrestling. I looked up pro wrestling schools in San
Antonio and I came out across Funaki right kind, Yeah
he's he teaches at the Hybrid School of Wrestling. So
I started training there. Been there for five years. Now
I'm training at the Dog Pound Dojo with Rodney Mack
(09:18):
and Jazz right just trying to get all the knowledge
I can in San Antonio's from people actually like been
there at the top.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
No see what I can do with it.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I'm just so I say, Soda pops down there too, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Now I I came across. I worked with them at
the first n w A show up here in forty like,
I just did some backstage video stuff. But then I
kept up with Jazz and I saw her out in
Vegas and I'm trying to get work down there as
(09:47):
a commentator or ring announcer, So fingers crossed that that
actually works out. I mean, dog I would they're doing
down to the dog pound is absolutely great. I loved
everybody I had come across when they were up here
was just raving about it, and all the students seem
very respectful, and I loved it. Like would tell for
people who don't know what's happening in the state of Texas,
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but also South Texas when it comes to talent, and
then obviously what they're doing with the dog Pound, like
how much talent's coming through there.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
That's a dog pound.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Yeah, we're in just South Texas too, and like.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
The San Antonio. In Texas in general, there's like a
there's a wealth of talent.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
There's a lot.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Every seminar, dude, they're all like, man, there's too much
in Texas. You guys need to get out of Texas,
seeing like everyone says that, like Texas is like a
black hole because there's just too much coming out, you know,
like if you want to, you know, get your name
out there, you need to start taking books in Louisiana,
Oklahoma and starts spreading out of Texas and then you'll
(10:46):
So that's crazy. How much talents in Texas?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Yeah, I see it all the time, and I was
seeing it even before I got lucky enough to be
in the business, and I was like, God damn, Like
why is this person out signed? Why is this person outsign?
But like you said, if you don't get out of
your bubble, nobody's gonna see you. You're also not really
gonna get challenged because you're not doing things in front
of Yeah, things work here in Texas, but like you said,
(11:09):
is it gonna work in Louisiana? Is it gonna work
in Oklahoma? Arkansas? Like even up to Chicago, Like you
just never know until you get out there.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Yeah, there's just so much different promotions in Texas. So
it's like it's really hard to keep tracking. It's hard
to stand out when everyone's good.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
So yeah, well, so how long have you been in
the business now?
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Wrestling? I started wrestling, I started training and the end
of twenty nineteen towards twenty twenty, so five and a
half years.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
What a fun time to come in the business.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Yeah, definitely, especially because COVID happened and then we had
to stop training for a little bit, and then I
had to keep in shape by myself, like working out. Thankfully,
I had all the martial arts training that could stay
in top shape. So then we came back into it
and we fucking had a train with the masks on.
And that's sucked because you can breathe.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yeah, you getting yeah, yeah, oh yeah, yeah, you're also
sweating like crazy, and it's just yeah, it's not a
pretty situation.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Well, so when it comes to I mean, having the
BJJ background and you're still obviously you know, competing and
winning championships, how is it like creating the move set
or bringing that over to the world and pro wrestling.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Uh, definitely a lot in the chain wrestling, Yeah, yeah,
I could chain wrestle with the best of them, and
I could pull out moves that people never really seen before.
It's pretty cool. It's like shoot style definitely in the strikes,
I had to learn to kind of hold back and
not killed up on it, you know, without anything work hits.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
So that took a while.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
But yeah, definitely, I think incorporating like shoot Style and
DJJ is kind of where pro.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Wrestling as a whole is kind of going to.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
Yeah, like I got to ride that wave.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yeah, I mean blood Sport with there. What Josh Barnett's
doing is phenomenal.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Yeah, that's when my goals.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Yeah, I think I've seen some Texas company try to
do it. We're something similar. It's called Okay then yeah, yeah,
tell us about that.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
I wrestled for uh it's Baracho Pro as a company.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
And then the show is called Grapple Quest And so
far they've had too and I've been on I've been
lucky enough to be on both of them. So it's
pretty much the formats like blood Sport, it's gonna be
a ring, a ring with no ropes, and then you're
supposed to look like So what I did was I'll
be like, tell my point, I'm just gonna I'm gonna
wrestle you and I'm not gonna submit you like catch
(13:35):
and release, just to make it look as real as possible.
And then it's you know, k Favids, there's gonna be
a scripted outcome, so you just worked that scripted outcome,
but you want to make it look real, right, and
running the ropes to none of that, So you're just
like chain wrestling the whole time, getting from run one
hole to the other. And then maybe you could. If
you're working with the guy, You're like, all right, let's
do something. Let's do slam to get them back up
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the crowd behind us. So we'll do like a fucking
body slam, and instead of going for a plange, you're
going to try to go for a submission hold. Now.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
I mean we're seeing, obviously with the rise of BJJ,
where people before when they're watching UFC fights, the people
in person would just you know, be super upset and
start booing and whatever when people went to the mat.
Now they're actually cheering and kind of figuring out what's
going on. And then obviously we're seeing UFC start their
own BJJ company, like with the rise of that and
(14:24):
people getting more smart to the I guess how the
whole martial art works. How do you think that is
going to you know, continue on in the future.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Yeah, Like you said, definitely, the crowd's being more educated
and not the MMA crowd, the WWE crowd too.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
So I think.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
A lot of chain wrestling, a lot of shoot style,
a lot of grappling stuff is going to be more
incorporated and pro wrestling. And in MMA, of course, everyone's
gonna want to you know, dominate the fight on the
ground and get a quick submission victory instead of you know,
taking abuse, standing and taking punches all day.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
And you notice now and modern UFC, all the champions
are gonna be really good grapplers. Either gonna be a
ensemble Russian dude or was a jiu jitsu guy.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yeah. Oh yeah. If you don't have good wrestling and
or wrestling defense, like you're second work out well for
you in the UFC right.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Now, yeah, right now, like all the strikers are getting cooked.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Mm hmm big time. Yeah, yeah, it is funny. I
was curious when Umar went for the title it didn't
get it, and I was like, oh man, we dodged
another bullet on that one.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Yeah yeah, but you want to.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
And he's, you know, he's a strong ensemble guy. He's
he's a machine like he just outgrapples everyone too. But
that was that was a good fight, and they're gonna
reschedule it Umar versus Marov because Lumar was the only
person to bust open Marab and make them dig deep.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Oh I thought they were going to do the Oh
who did they? Yeah, what's what's his name? He was
literally there anyway, I thought they were doing somebody else
instead of Umar Agan.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
They did Sean.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
Sean just lost, Yeah, he just lost, and so I
think Umar's next. I think they're doing the rematch.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
I thought it was what's it now? I really thought
it was something. Whoever was actually there at the fights.
They put the camera on him and they asked about him,
but I can't remember his.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Name to Cody.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Sean O'Malley what yeah, because they have beef against each other.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Well, it's fine, but maybe do the winner of okay?
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Well, and also Cody's been out for a couple of
years just to go a lot of title shot isn't really.
I think he's gonna gonna make him earn it. I
think he's gonna have to beat Sean and then he'll be.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Yeah. I know people were I remember they were rumoring
Sean and cheetoh again.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Oh yeah that too. That freaking eye tattoo he looks. Yeah,
he's crazy.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
I was like, holy sh it, good for you. Good
thing you're a fighter, yea yeah, yeah. Well so you
mentioned you're a black belt in jiu jitsu, and I've
heard that once you do reach black belt level, now
you're the least ranked black belt there is, and so
you kind of start from the bottom again. What have
you kind of learned when you, you know, did get
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that black belt? What more have you learned from then?
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Damn, there's definitely a jumping into a deeper pool of competition, because, dude,
I also hungry to get my black belt.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
I was winning everything.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
That's when I won most of my championship belts, and
then as black belt, it's a like, fuck, now I'm
losing again against black belts and black belts for fifteen years.
You know, I'm a fresh black belt, and so it sucks.
It kind of like it's like you said, starting all
over again. But I'm at the point now where I'm
not as hungry to compete.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
I'm just here to make money and teach there you know.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Well, I mean, if a new belt design comes from
my way, I might compete for it, but as far
as travel like around Texas to compete just for the
glory of it, I'm kind of done with that.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Okay, there's nothing wrong with that, you know.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
I Mean it's kind of like I was hungry and
I'm bad. I don't really got anything to prove anymore.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
That's true. So what do you what do you, I mean,
what is it about for wrestling that makes you still hungry?
Speaker 4 (18:20):
I want to get a trampionship done and pro wrestling,
I want that glory. I want to be on TV man.
I want to live a dream. I want to get
a contract and not organize the five and a more
and you know, traveling rock star.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Yeah, that's exactly what that lifestyle is too. I mean,
plus you would also you know, yes, there are some
chain wrestling when it comes to like a WWE, but
for the most part, it is kind of the hybrid
WWE what the world of wrestling kind of looks like
right now as well. And there's not as many Matt
guys or guys doing the chain wrestling stuff, which I
(18:56):
was I think is very interesting because especially whenever they
go to Saudi, they love the BJJ over there, So
I think if they did have more people that were
doing the mass up with the BJJ background that I
think that would help out a loup them even in
a bigger market.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Oh yeah, yeah, you're talking about what WW goes to
Saudi Arabia ye round jewels stuff.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Yeah, definitely, yeah, I noticed that.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Yeah, I mean it's I mean, they're doing what Night
of Champions I think is the next pay per view
and yeah, yeah, Sena and Punk again for the for
the quote unquote last time.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Well, so I know travel days and show days can
be pretty you know, long and extensive. What are some
standards you normally always have in your bag.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
When I'm traveling to the show.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Let's see, I gotta have a change of contacts just
in case one will gets knocked out. I gotta have
peanut butter so this neck on, maybe some granola bars,
some gatorade water.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Of course, I.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Gotta have reading material comic books if I'm not driving, Okay,
and it was something of.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
C yeah makes it.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Here in Texas, it's gonna they're getting a little harder.
But yeah, but yeah, upset, What the what comic books
are you reading right now?
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Dude, honestly, I have so much comicooks.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
I just grab something from a random like pile that
I haven't read, and then, like, if I it's very rare,
I buy comics somewhere just because I have so much
that I haven't read. But anything, Man, Marvel, DC, Image, manga,
even I like everything.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Right now.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
I think the last actual thing I bought was Ninja
Turtles and Ghostbusters because I like the crossover stuff, so
I'll probably buy a crossover comic if I don't have
it already.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Yeah. I always like those too, because you do get like,
how are they going to be in their world or
yeah yeah, yeah, and.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
It reminds me of being a kid and crossing over
with the toys, like, oh yeah, you'll meet the ghost Busters.
You know, it's fun.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
I actually did with my well. I would always make
him wrestling action figures where even if it was he
man like, he'd be mister perfect it was. But those
legs always break. They not weighed the way they should be.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
They're made with rubber bands that he like a rubber
band in between the crotch, and then that's always the
first thing to.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Go yep, curious. I was always like, God, damn it,
no leg moves here.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Can't do the sharp shooter for anybody.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Yeah, you could actually look them up how to pick
someone YouTube.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
I've been doing that.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
I picked my old toys.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Oh you kept him?
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Yeah yeah, I keep all my old stuff.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
I'm very fortunate.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
I mean, my family moved a lot, but my mom
was always a little oh we got to keep our stuff.
She's like kind of like a order of not really,
but yeah. My dad was the opposite though. He would
like be like, you don't clean your shit up, I'm
gonna throw it out or I'm gonna have a garage cell,
you know.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
So we would always like.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
He always kept us on line that we would keep
our stuff and like hidden away or a good condition,
so in it, throw it away or whatever.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
That's actually really smart. Like I imagine as a kid
you were like, man, you used to being so mean,
but looking back, it's actually really smart.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Yeah, like reverse psychology.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Yeah, well, so who are some of the veterans that
you kind of go to, you know, in both worlds,
you know, BJJ world and when it comes to pro wrestling.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
Oh well, my coaches for sure, my pro wrestling coaches
now Rodney Mack and Jazz, and they've taught me a
lot on the psychology of wrestling.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
In my old wrestling.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
School, there's a lot of people, so it was all
about I'll get a spot, get a spot, get a spot,
and then you know you're done or whatever.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
But you kind of go through the cracks.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
A little bit, especially because the old coach played favorites,
and I wasn't really favorite, but Rodney Mack and Jazz,
I feel like I'm seeing now they're teaching me stuff
that you know, I wasn't getting at the old place.
So I feel really enrich now. And Jack said, I
want to get you TV ready, so she's showing me
all the stuff like you know, how to pop on TV,
which which was helping me get to the next level.
(23:03):
As far as my martial arts coach, his name is
Diego Gaminal. He's a three time world champion of jiu jitsu.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Damn yeah he was.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
He coached me through my all my MMA fights. Then
he's like a he's like a brother to me. So yeah,
I'm there for I told him when he gave my
black belt, I'm like, if you need anything from me,
just you know, a phone call away. So now he'll
have me teach classes like if he needs to go
out of town stuff. And he pays me too, so
you know he's not taking advantage of me.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Yeah, you're not getting worked.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
No, I'm not getting worked. He really looks out for
my best interest.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
How long have you been an instructor? Now?
Speaker 4 (23:41):
I got my black belt twenty twenty one and I
was instructing as a brown cult so well since twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Yeah, nice, what what do you kind of I mean,
every instructor and coach is going to be different. What
is your kind of method for kind of helping and
showing people?
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Dang? Okay.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
As far as kids, I don't like to be too
hard on kids because then there I did not want
to do it. I kind of meet them halfway. As
long as they're doing it, I'll let them play around
for a little bit. And I know sometimes my coaches
like that, like you're too leany, but it is what
it is. As far as adults, kind of like the
same philosophy. Man, if you have any questions, I'll be
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happy to show you.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
You know, come to me.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
I'll help you. I'm not the type that'd be like,
oh you're come up and be like, oh, you're doing
this wrong. I'll come up and if you're doing the
wrong back, hey, you need some help, you know, maybe
you know.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
But I'm not.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Very like strict at all As the instructor. This is
supposed to be a hobby, you know.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Right, Yeah, it's supposed to just be fun. Yeah, obviously
serious but fun at the same time. M h Yeah,
because none of y'all try to kill each other while
you're you know, in there.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
The opposite actually, yeah, supposed to be like the better
judicial instructor is or the better you just jiu jitsu practitioner.
As a guy that flow rolls around your style, you know,
he'll find a submission because you gave it to him
and stead, you know, butt heads and eventually someone's gonna
hurt them.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
So yeah, coming at me like this, I'm like, go, oh,
run you know.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Like water. Yes, exactly, Bruce Lee.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Yep, perfect.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Yeah, And that's how I was able to, I guess
do jiu jitsu so long, even as a little guy,
because I'm not six foot. I'm five eight on a
good day, and you know, and I'll be wrestling dudes
that are like six foot three hundred pounds and that's
how I beat them, you know. And they're coming at
me some of a black belt. Everyone wants to tap
the black belt. Everyone wants to get a black belt
submission for their ego.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Yeah, I was gonna say, once you did get that
black belt, I imagine that was probably one of the
other things. It's like people were at you even harder
because yeah, they want that black belt on their record.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Yeah, you definitely paying a target on your back.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
But you know, you learn, like I said, you learn
how to use someone's aggression against them, their strength against them.
So it's good and if you're in a bad spot,
you definitely will find a way out.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Or are you more of a Gee or no Gi
guy gy guys?
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (26:14):
I like ge stuff, man, I like learning the kimono
and you know, looking like a samurai, like the poetry
of it all.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
But definitely in Gee two there's more techniques to use.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
You grab the lapels, get choking with the lapels, you
grab the sleeves of judo stuff. No Gi is more
like uh like like you know, Matt wrestling like gre
Coronan wrestling intensively real, more more grimy and sweaty, and
you know you're gonna have you definitely have to dude
(26:46):
sweat all over you at least mean that ship off.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
It's more clean.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Yeah, you're not wrong for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
And also it's harder to get subs and nog because
you're more slippery unless you're a leg locked artists, and
it's easier to.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Get stubs right m hm, Well, I mean you as
you're doing this and obviously per wrestling, like you, you're
mentally having to be stronger as well. What are kind
of some mental workouts that you kind of do on
a regular basis.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
I'm a I'm a big painter, bro.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Is that what years behind you? That Jimmy Hendrick.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the That's one of what I
did is Jimmy Hendrix and.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Beatles. Yeah, all those those my favorite rock stars. So yeah,
this is this is my mom's house. I have all
my paintings at my house. I definitely have my belts
upstairs from one of those. But yeah, I think you
compress from you know, the stresses of the day with uh,
with painting and reading comic books.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Something that's gonna like, I guess wind me down right.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
How you been painting for?
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Oh man?
Speaker 4 (27:54):
I've been doing art my whole life. I started messing
with painting like a crylic and oil paint in college.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
I got my degree in fine arts.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Awesome.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
Yeah yeah yeah, And I'm currently going through teacher certification
of being a high school art teacher because I'm a
sub right now, so I'm trying to be a full
time art teacher. And I got to do all these
hours on the computer.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
So yeah, that's awesome, thank you. What is painting your
favorite media more?
Speaker 4 (28:21):
Yeah, I like acrylic paints because I mean, if you
mess it up, you just paint over it.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
You know.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
It's not very Yeah, it's not very permanent.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Yeah, I haven't I haven't painted in a long time,
and I thought about keep getting back into it. But
also I feel like the investment up front is I
need to figure that part.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Out what I like to do.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
Even if I want to paint something but I don't
like have a direction. I'll get like small, little hand
sized paintings and then I'll like, look at a picture
of a superhero, just just stimulate in my mind, and
you know, do just like a quick superhero painting and
I'll post it on Facebook and sometimes peop want to
buy it. I'm like, okay, that's cool because pop culture
paintings usually smell sell and it's something that small. Probably
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take me like a couple of days to do and
then keep my mind going and then I'll probably make money.
If not, I'll let it stack for a while and
then I'll do like market days or I'll just put
all my paintings out in the market and sometimes I'll
sell it that way.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
That's cool. Okay, I have not thought about doing that.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Yeah, market days are usually cheap, like thirty dollars to
set up.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
I've bad at all. Okay, Well, I have a segment show.
I call it the five Count. It's just five random questions. Okay,
what are you nerding out on right now?
Speaker 3 (29:37):
What am I nerding out.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
On right now?
Speaker 3 (29:41):
The Big Bank Theory?
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Yeah, okay, yeah, I went back.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
I'm watching every episode of The Big Bank Theory because
when I was out on TV like ten years ago,
I wasn't into it.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Yeah, now that ten years I passed.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
It was like my dad's favorite show, and he passed
away a couple of years ago. So now I'm like
rewatching it in his honor. And I'm like a nerd too,
so I get every reference. I'm like, damn, I've been
missing out for ten years. I love this show.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Yeah. When we were at when we're in Vegas, we
spent a lot of time sleeping, which is usually the
opposite of what people do in Vegas, but you know,
wrestling days or long days, and so we were when
anytime we were in the room, Big Bang Theory was
on some channel. So Yeah, we watched quite a bit.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Of that and it's a comfort show too. It makes
you feel good, right.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Number two, if you owned a liquor company, brewery, winery,
or coffee shop, which one would you own and what
would the name.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Be, like a brewery, line or coffee shop. Definitely something
with whiskey. I feel like a lot of old fashions.
That's my favorite cocktail.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
I don't want to.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
Say proper twelve, but because it has a name in
the MMA community, so yeah, yeah, take it over from
Connor McGregor and make it a reputable business.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
He's not doing much good for his for his birth.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
They actually like cut him because he was back of
the city. I think they parted ways with him because
he was like part time owner.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Yeah, I know they initially bought it from him and
then kept him on as like an ambassador. But yeah,
his he got himself in trouble again.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Yeah, sexual assault allegations right.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Yep, but then still wants to be the Prime Minister
of Ireland. Okay, I don't think it's Yeah, what are
the last three things you googled?
Speaker 4 (31:28):
The last thing things like googled. Let me look on
my phone. Okay, the last eight things like Google, that's
not incognito and I'm chocking.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Uh, Darth Baane, the Star Wars character Darth Baine.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Okay you heard Darth bane No but.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Lord that they created uh in like the novel novel series,
and apparently he was supposed to be like just as
bad ass as Darth Vader. And you know, I never
really read into Darth Vane, so I was looking into
comics and novels of where I could read read with him,
read read his stories. So I was looking into Darth
(32:09):
Vane apparently. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Darth Vane. So that's
one of them. Let's see what else I looked into
that too? Yeah the Powers of Okay, Shanoby from Sea
played the game Genesis. Okay, so I was looking at
like Shanoby's sketches and like the powers he does, and
(32:31):
I play a game called for Honors, so I was
trying to make my ninja look like the Shannoby ninja
from Genesis.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
And then the third thing, the Last of Us Part two.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Oh yeah, I still had to watched that.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
I'm watching the show. I never played the game though,
so I'm watching the show.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
And then this last series, this last season ended on
a cliffhanger, and I kind of got greedy and I
wanted to read the whole story of what's gonna happen,
and so I guess did that And I'm like, that's
anti climactic. But I remember when I came out a
lot of people hated on it, so I can see why.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Yeah. Uh, who are what inspires you?
Speaker 4 (33:06):
Who are inspired me to wrestle or just in life?
Definitely my influences. Bruce Ley is one of them. I
want to be like macho man.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
My mom.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
You know, I want to take care of her.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
You know, I at least want to have money or
do something with my life, so when she can't take
care of herself, I'll be there for her that Uh.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
And what would you tell your seventeen year old self?
Speaker 4 (33:33):
Seventeen year old self that started martial arts? Stay the course, man,
there's a lot of glory in it. Don't give up,
don't let the ladies bring you down.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
It'll be true to yourself.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
And your friends will come and go, so don't be
invested too.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
Much in them.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Wow, there you go. Now, if people want to find
out more about you, uh, find you online, see you live,
or even by your art. How can they do all
the things?
Speaker 4 (34:02):
My Instagram is gonna be at black Belt Jesse James
sean to add me on Facebook just typing my full
name as on the screen Jesse Caamu or Jesse James Camou.
I'll be wrestling at the Dog Pound Show Paradox June
twenty ninth on Sunday, and also at Lafoarne, Texas on
(34:24):
the twenty eighth the day before for a benefit show
for a child with cancer named Rogan with NWA Texas
and Dog Pound.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
So see me there.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
I love it. Jesse, thank you so much for being
on the show. You know we live in the same state.
I imagine we're gonna cross path again soon and I
hope it's as sooner rather than later.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Yeah, me too. Nice to meet you, John, Nice me
and you.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Thank you so much to Jesse James for being on
the show again. Definitely make sure to head on down
to San Antonio or if you're already in the San
Antonio area, check them out at the Dog Pound Championship
Wrestling Show Paradox this Sunday. You are not gonna want
to miss it, and definitely make sure to tag us
on social media. While you do that, it is bruisers Pod.
That's b R e W S C R S p
O D on the Instagram, the threads and the Twitter.
(35:18):
If you want to send us an email, it is
Bruiserspod at gmail dot com. If you're gonna follow me directly,
it is Rody John.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
That is R O D I E j o N.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Rody John is the name on the Twitter, and I'm
untapped in case you want to find out when I'm drinking,
maybe we're gonna have a beer together. If you're gonna
follow me on the threads or the Instagram, it is
official Rody John. So until next time, ike sure to
enjoy life, drink local, and cheers
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