December 4, 2025 • 39 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:20):
Welcome to Bruisers podcast about beer, coffee, booze and Bruisers.
I'm your host, Rody John and today we talked to
Andrew Donaldson. We talked about his journey into pro wrestling,
fun road stories, and so much more. Andrew is doing
so much great things in the world of pro wrestling.
You might know him by his abs. They might be real,
they might be fake, but they are definitely not fake.
(00:40):
So you definitely want to hear it from him and
not me. So, without further ado, here is Andrew Donaldson.
I would like to welcome the show. Andrew Donaldson. How
(01:00):
are you doing today, sir?
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I'm good. How are you?
Speaker 1 (01:03):
I'm well?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Going by the shoot name, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
So for those listening kind of pain, it's a word picture.
Where are you at? What's going on around you?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I am just in my house, just chilling is right now?
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
I'm just on my I'm just sitting on my little
couch here, just talking to you in my basement.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
How is it because you're in the north, how is
it having a basement here in the South. It doesn't
quite work due to ours not being what it should be.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Man, I don't know. I just always had it it's
just I never thought of what people without basements.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Yeah, we had. I had one friend growing up that
had a basement. I haven't gone. I haven't found him
again and be like, hey, is that basement still there?
Because how does that still work? Because we need him
badly down here. I want I want them, but they
just our soul. What is so weird that it doesn't
allow us to have basements?
Speaker 2 (02:02):
I mean, I don't know the zoning laws of the South.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
That's not that's not part of your things. You look
up on Google on a regular basis.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
H Nah, that's not my thing.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I get it. That makes sense. Well, let's go all
the way back in time. What is your earliest memory
of pro wrestling.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
I'm a late bloomer. I actually I started I didn't
start watching until college really like like just went in
and watched an episode of Raw and then I just
realized this is kind of my thing. I kind of
love this. I mean growing up, I was always aware
of wrestling, but like I never was one of those
people that's like, oh, that's the stake, like you let
(02:43):
I just always I had, like I guess, a quiet
respect for it, you know. But then I remember I
think when I was really young. I did watch that
Eddie Guerrero brock Lessner match at No Way Out. Oh
that's that was Like I remember watching that when I
was not even a fan of wrestling, and I'm like,
this is you know what, It's pretty cool, but then
never really got into it until I hit college.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Well what was it? What was on the TV at
the time that really grabbed you?
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Uh, I'll be honest, when I when I started watching
and in two what it was in two thousand and nine?
And honestly, I guess you could say my favorite like
the wrestler that got me into it and the first
person I really gravitated towards was.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Shameless Interesting was it because of how white he was?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Probably? And also I was really like into Irish stuff
back then for some reason. I don't know why. That's
what my ADHD focus was on.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
What is your most fun Irish fact? Uh?
Speaker 2 (03:44):
You know, I don't know. I couldn't. I couldn't tell you.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Okay, they like, I.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Can't think off the top of my head with that
type of stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Oh sorry, Okay, Yeah, I do love that Shamus. Uh. Well,
I love the fact that they had to create a
new skin color for the action figures, just for him,
but also he has done everything literally in the company.
And I was not the biggest fan when he started,
(04:14):
but now I'm like, I got a lot of respect
for him, and I love what he's doing with his
YouTube show too, because something that he just started randomly
where he was like, you know what, I'm bored with
the way I work out. I also work with a
bunch of other people that work out differently. Let me
just work out with them and we can videotape and
it'd be great.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, No. I respect the hell out of him.
I'm so glad people actually are now like giving him
his flowers, because there was a point where I think
people were starting to turn on him. I guess it
was like during that money in the bank type of thing,
like oh no, we don't want Seamus again as our champion.
What the heck is going on? So there was a
moment where people were turning on him, I guess, and
(04:52):
they were so I guess I don't want to say
shoving him down people's throats, but like he was getting
like a lot of attention. But I'm glad now that
he's kind of taken like a he's taken a bit
of a back seat from them the title stuff because
he's the world title, because like he's already done like
that type of stuff. But in return, he's he's producing
(05:13):
some really solid work with like really solid opponents, hard hitting,
brawling stuff, and I kind of love it. I'm really
glad he's getting his his flowers now people are giving
it to him.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Yeah. I loved him in the Bar. The Bar is
one of my favorite.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
That was great.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Yeah, I'm always a big Cizaro fan, as it is
so like putting those guys together, I was like, Okay,
I'm here for it.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
That was like his only tag team run. I guess
that was like his experiment in the tag team division, right.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
And then he was the leader of the Union of
Nations is that.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
What it was, the United Nations or whatever. Yeah, and
they thought that was that was cool at first, but
like it, they didn't really do much with it.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
They didn't. I think, ah, what heck, because I know
he lost or he beat Roman and then yeah, the
whole thing fell apart, I want to say, because Alberto
got fired or something I don't.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Know, right, and they kicked Wade bart out.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Yeah, or was it that he got injured.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
I don't know. Well, man, I know they turned on
Wade Barrett, but way Barrett did not turn baby face immediately.
He just kind of I think he kind of got
fired even pretty soon after that too, I'm being honest.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know. But that was that was
a waste of potential, that whole League of Nations or
United Nation thing.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Yeah, no, that makes sense because I was also.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
A Russev fan too. I really like what they did
with him. I still love the guy. Yeah, like I was,
I was drawn to him. I think I just like Europeans.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Well, they have that harder hitting style that almost makes
it well there's well there's the different styles. There's the
you know, the Zach Saber junior kind of catches catch
can or there's like the really physical what you get
with Shamus and what you get with Russif and then
obviously well all Spray's of a blending of them, but
with the high flying but still like yeah, yeah, European
(07:04):
style so much better, okay, not better.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I am actually a World of Sport kind of fan.
I do like watching World of Sports.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
I love that stuff.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Yeah yeah, yeah, And also because I watched I started
watching wrestling. Then I watched Uh, I watched the match
on Raw it was Seamous versus Finley, and then it
kind of I watched that and I'm like, I actually
kind of like Finley now. So Finley ultimately became my
favorite wrestler at one point. He still kind of is. Honestly,
I really admire the guy.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
I love. Yeah, I loved him in WWE, and then
what he's doing behind the scenes and what he's done
with the girls is, yeah, they're so fantastic. I love
what Sun is doing over in Japan.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Both his sons.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Yeah, but and then what that's the fourth generation, right
because yeah, because.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
His dad was a wrestler, right, guy, his grandfather was too.
I watched a little mini documentary about his entire family.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
There's a documentary about that.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah, it's like a it's like a really a short
documentary release like in like I think Northern Ireland. It
was about the the Finley family.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
I'm gonna look that up. That's one more watching.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
I think it's just called the Fit Finley's Okay, it's
very interesting stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
I love that. Well, when did you think to yourself,
this is also something I want to do.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
I feel like almost immediately when I first started watching,
because I was always into the the rough housing fighting
kind of like you know, play fighting kind of stuff.
I guess with friends and all that, and like action
movie making my own little action sequences with like action
figures and stuff like that. So I feel like I
kind of blended everything I like together. But I don't
watch necessarily for all the athletics. I like the theatrics.
(08:49):
So I felt this is a perfect amalgamation or blending
of everything I love. So I figured I I kind
of want to give it a shot.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Well, I mean, being in New York, how did you
obviously finally decide on being trained by Johnny Rods?
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Oh? Yes, I think, I just I think I wish
it was deeper. I literally just google searched places in
New York, uh for as in wrestling schools, and that
was the first thing that came up, honestly, and I'm like,
I'll give her a shot, and it was probably like
and it was it was an interesting, uh time.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
What what did you think you learned the most from him?
Because his the laundry list of people that have been
trained by him is so fantastic.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
I think realistically what you what you'll get from his
training that I love. He will drill the basics right
into you, Like you will know your foundation and you
will be like like ridden hard. Probably you will be
ridden to death about undoing your roles and your bumps
and all that stuff. Like he will drill that into
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you until it's like like second nature to you. It's
like totally comes sort of like breathing. So that's why
I always appreciated admired Like my basics I think are
pretty solid.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
That's I That's a great way to train somebody because,
like you said, it then becomes just second nature or
just a regular reaction. It's like sneezing or breathing really
at that point. So yeah, no matter what's happening in
the ring, you can you know exactly what.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
You're doing exactly exactly.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
When did when you started like going through the training
and obviously starting to figure out what you were wanting
to do, whether it be your move set or how
you your character was going to uh sell off different
things or even the moves that makes sense for your character,
How did you start figuring out what those were going
to be? And obviously there's ones you probably tried or
(10:47):
then you're like, never mind, I'm not going to add that.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Well, yeah, I don't do anything. I just I don't
do anything I know I probably can't do. So I
don't even really bother to try it unless I've practiced it.
But if I also feel like it's not necessary for
me to do, I won't do it. But I do
want to. I do, like try to do something that's
equally as devastating within its simplicity though, Like I can
(11:10):
throw a mean body slam, Like I can slam someone
very hard but land them safely, obviously, but it looks vicious, right,
So I always just I always like to think I
just do basic, like do basic moves, but also put
like little little innovations to it, like my whole ab gimmick.
I like to do anything that targets the stomach. I
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do moves that I do, dominal stretches, I'll do like
I'll do my one of my signature moves is an
ab claws slam. I claw someone in the stomach and
then I just choke slam them basically, and like, I'll
do anything like that targets the stomach pretty much strike
unique strikes. So spear them, head button, knee drop them.
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I'll send on onto them, I'll just sit on them.
I'll even push someone up and make them do sit
ups into my stuff. I drive their head into my stomach.
I mean it started out, I guess, like I just
I like to just do something that makes sense for
my character. So of course he would do all that.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Yeah, and you don't see as much adominal stretches as
you should anymore.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Right, And yeah, I yet to do it, but I
would love to like end a match with an adminal stretch,
but it has to look like super convincing obviously when
I think I can do. But like, yeah, yeah, you
don't really see that a lot. And it's and when
you do, it's like just sort of a common hold,
like just to put him.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
In right something quick, and then obviously you get hip
tossed out of it.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Yeah. And it doesn't yeah, not meant to look like
it's it finishes matches.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Yeah, I mean, honestly, like going back, if you look
at the Vaughan erics, like the claw is kind of
a dumb move, but that's they that was like the
most devastating move on the planet.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Yeah, I like to think of it is, and like
when he when they were doing the iron claw to
like the head, just think of it as like the
pressure on his head they're applying is so bad that
they can't think and do anything and do anything to
get out of it, when it would normally be so simple.
But just imagine heat is like squeezing this dude right
in the right on the temporal lobe. You discombobulating them
(13:15):
in your tremendous amounts of pain. So what, what of
course do you do? You pass out?
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Yeah, you have no choice.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Yeah, that's how I like to see. Even though your
arms are still free, your legs are still free, but
when you have that much pressure on your skull, it
doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Yeah it can't. Yeah, it can't control the rest of
your body if your brain's.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Not working exactly. And that's what I have to do
with the stomach. I'll grab you, I grab your and
uh and sometimes if I feel if I'm feeling naughty,
I'll dell yeah, my thumb in their belly button, which,
if you know, it's probably not a very comfortable feeling.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Especially if you're already in a stretch hold like that.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Right, Well, I'm not even a stretch like I just
I just reach and claw them, oh, and then pick
them up and slam.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Who is the biggest person you have? Of course lamed.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Uh, I would say Matt Tremont, but I didn't really
slam him. I just kind of booted him and I
hit him with a with a with a and I
hit him with a ab wheel of the biggest person,
I've done it to a bunch of guys that are
probably over like two hundred pounds. Uh, But I do it.
(14:30):
I do it quite regularly to a lot of people
that are relatively bigger. I can't hmmm, yeah, I can't
really give a specific name, but there's plenty of guys
that are big that I've done it too. I love
that it don't get as high as as like anyone
else would, but it's still devastating.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
You don't need to I've heard Mick Foley has even
said his abdominal injury was the worst injury he's ever had,
and that.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Goes through everything. I love it full. He did tell
you I met him at air at a show I
did at a birthday party and he was there and
he has a special guest. So like of course, the
wrestlers who were there to help to reperform at a
birthday party in Long Island, got to talk to Mick Foley.
So when we all came up, basically all the wrestlers
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just kind of lined up almost to meet him, and
like he shook all of our hands, but before he
got when he got to me, before he got to me,
he pulled away. He looked at me. He was like,
is that me? Because I looked because I was at
a phase where I was heavier, so I looked a
bit like him. And then he shook my hands. He
was really really nice. And then I posted a photo
we took on Facebook of me and him. You know,
(15:40):
I just took a photo of him, and like I wrote, Dad.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
I've met him a couple of times, I think at yes,
any some signing, and then also I've seen him his
comedy show a couple of times, and yeah, could not
be the nicest, more nice, Like I have never heard
anybody say a bad thing about.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Right exactly, and that you feel it almost feels rare
in the business like this, Yes, especially from the old time.
He guys like that.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
I mean, the worst thing people say is that he's cheap,
which I mean, which is mean, he's good with his money.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
And he also is a wrestler. I guess I started
watching more of after I got into wrestling because he's
my type. He seems like he fits my he fits
almost my style I would love to do. Like he's
like my body type, and he's doing he does already
what he has to do, and he basically sacrificed his
body for wrestling. You always got to respect him for that. Yeah, dumb,
(16:37):
probably dumb stuff, but and he'll even probably admit that,
but he did it. He sacrificed his body for the
entertainment of millions.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
And it's made him millions, and he's a New York
Times bestseller exactly, multiple Hall of Fames. Also, what he
does with his charity and stuff like that just next level.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Yeah. He he was, without a doubt, one of my
favorites growing up as well. It was like Brett Hart
and then it was him because I was like, oh
that was cocktas Jack. Oh shit, he's doing this. Hell yeah, Well,
so who are some veterans that kind of helped you
along the way as well?
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Well? As I? As I said, I really really appreciated
this match I had. But Matt Tremont. I think he's
the biggest name I've worked so far, and it was
really really fun. He was really easy to work with.
He allowed me to do things that I probably like.
He allowed me to just sort of wing it and
I in a more hardcore setting. It wasn't like his
tip the typical death matches you see him do. It
(17:38):
was a bit of a tamer version, but I got
to do more more, more cuckoo things and all that stuff.
I got hit with chairs, hit with baking sheets, I
hit him back with them. That was a pretty fun
experience for me too. It really made me appreciate the
more hardcore style of wrestling because that allows so much
creative freedom. Like you get to this wing it like
(18:00):
I did improv, so I feel like it's a good
relieving thing to do.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Okay, I want to talk about improv for in a minute,
but firsonal to talk about the death you you know,
with the death match. I've talked to so many different
you know, death match wrestlers, hardcore wrestlers, whatever it is,
and they have said the same thing that they the
creative freedom that they have still telling stories but obviously
using uh you know, probably more hardcore things than obviously
(18:27):
a regular match. Like you said, the creative freedom of it,
you talk to people about it because I know there's
obviously people that are on either side of like oh
is garbage wrestling or oh I fucking love it, and
then sometimes there's people in between. But talk to us
a little bit more about your experience with it.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
I mean, like, I don't want to ever claim to
be a death match guy. Obviously a hardcore guy, so
I can't really enter that mindset, but I do. But
after doing like two more like hardcore type of I
guess I guess deathmatch lights. I guess you can call
it like diet death matches. I understand the adrenaline rush
that comes from it.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
I like that. I like that term.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
I I I kind of understand the the adrenaline rush
that comes from it. And when I say creative freedom,
like you literally like you're just like you're giving weapons
and like you never are told ahead of time when
you're gonna get hit with something. It's like a walk
and talk situation, you know, in the middle of a
when you're in the middle of a fright of a
fight and someone whips out like a tube or something,
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you just cover up and they let them whack you
with it. It's a you really, it's a real free,
free flowing type thing. And that's why I always that's
why I admire about it, because like with a regular match,
you gotta, like I guess, just like you know, plan
stuff out and talk over stuff and and sometimes you
forget stuff. But in the hardcore match, if you forget something,
just whack them with a weapon. Yeah, that's how I
(19:51):
say for Kaiju Big Battle too, and I do the
Kaiju Big Battle. Uh if you if you forget a spot,
hit them with a fake building.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Anybody who's never been to a Kiju Big Battle show.
I had went to one when it was here when
WrestleMania was here in Arlington, but we saw Kaiju in Dallas.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
That's probably before I joined on. Yet it's fun.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
One of the most fun shows I've ever been to,
and I love. I took my brother and his wife
and they had never been to live wrestling. Well, my
brother been a live wrestling, but she had never been
the most fun they've ever had too.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
They fully because it doesn't it doesn't it doesn't cater
to wrestling fans, no, exactly. I see it as you're
filming a monster movie in the confines of a wrestling ring.
That's all it is.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Yeah. I once I discovered them online, I went into
a deep dive on them. And that's exactly what the
guys who came up with it did, Like there were
art students out of I think Boston and.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Then yeah, oh yeah, nii yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah, and I was like, this is fucking awesome.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
It Oh yeah, I really really. I come to love
doing it. I've I've been I've been with them for
like two and a half years and it's just been
the most fun.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
I almost think they're a modern day ish Chakara, Like.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
There's a lot of promotions that are there like modern
day Chakaras. But I could see where you would think that,
but I think probably just crossed the wacky characters and
all that stuff. But probably like to think it's kind
of it's kind of different. But huh.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
I think that like the artwork for the posters in
the dv in the DVD, so yeah, that's where I
also got that from that.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Yeah, that definitely plays a part in it. It's it's
an art project.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Exactly, yes, which I think we need more of that
in wrestling because wrestling.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Yeah, yeah, no, for sure, for.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Sure talk to us more about this improv. So how
long have you how long did you do improv?
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Well, I was on a team for a while. I did.
I did go to UCB and the pit and all
that stuff. I did. I went through their curriculum. I
don't think I ever really did too much too much
after that, but I was. I did do a team,
and I do like to think I can I can
whip it out if I need to.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
What what what do they go through in the UCV.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Well, it's just basically you do all these improv games
and you go through like the beats, you do the
Herald format, the Herald structure or yes ending and all
that stuff, and you go through that through like I
guess four like levels and all that stuff, and in
the end, yeah you don't yeah, and in the end
you just have like become proficient in improv. Okay, I
(22:30):
wish I could be more articulate with this stuff, but
it was it was just fun and I just I
just I just had fun doing it.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Yeah, that's awesome. I love all of that, that whole
world because again, like the whole yes, and you have
to just keep building on it. You can't just be like, I.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Know, I know you talked to Sazzy about this, right,
So yeah, that's so it's basically that.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Perfect. Well, so if anybody's never seen your rest before,
what three matches do they go out of way? Or
is go out of their way to see?
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Oh h there was my matchup Matt Tremont. I think
that's one of the not just because it was it's
it's Matt Tremont, but it's one of my favorites. Right
My match against Erica Damia Intergender Bonanza for the for
the ID for the ID Supertitle. It's just wacky and
fun and it was one of my first real big
title matches and it was just chocked full of silliness,
(23:21):
but also you could tell a story was being told.
It was it was a lot of fun. She's great
to work with. Uh and for number three, Oh there's
so much. I had this match at one of my gus,
one of my big like singles on the Indies when
I first started. I had this match against a guy
(23:42):
named Blank, a former Chakara guy, and it was at
Camp leap Frog when that was still around. Yeah, I was,
and I had a match with him and that, and
it was obviously honestly one of my favorite fun things
because it really exposed me to a new audience. I
guess it really was sort of a coming out moment,
and I just thought it was a lot of a
(24:04):
lot of fun. And I think what you'll expect from
me is just sort of silliness and all that stuff,
but also like you can kind of tell this some seriousness,
but mostly just kind of silliness, which I think there
needs to be a little bit more in wrestling.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
I also think we need far more silliness in wrestling.
I have always say that wrestling is a buffet and
we need a little bit of everything.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
And yeah, load up your plate, yes exactly.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Because you never know the person next to you might
be really into the thing that you weren't into, or
vice versa, or you never know what's going to grab somebody,
and especially somebody who's never been to a wrestling show,
or also they might see it online and be like, oh,
this is awesome. Maybe I would have to go see this,
especially in like the Northeast, like you guys have, there's
so many promotions up there that if you just discover
(24:55):
all of it, because you know, can't leep Frog is
going to be different than House of Glory, and then
you're like, like you're talking about with Kaiju Big Battle,
and then also you know fucking GCW like it's gonna
be there's always.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Some intergender bonanza.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Exactly, yes, which I think we need. I love intergender matches,
and again I understand the bad and the good of them,
but again, this is art. And at the end of
the day, from what I keep hearing, women and men
all train together, so it's just basically having training, but
in a ring in front of a bunch of other people.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
I think it's more fun doing intergender matches, honestly, like this,
it's real, Like this is fun mm hm. You can
tell a good story from it, but you can also
just have fun and treat it like nothing. Like like
you're wrestling and someone else a fellow dude, right.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Exactly, you're telling a fun story and you're all doing art.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
At the end of the day, I just I just
like wrestling. I just like to have fun doing it.
I try not to think too much into that type
of into that type of stuff. I just as long
as if I'm having fun, they're having fun, and we
have a good match and we're doing something productive. I'm
all for it.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
I love that. Well, I know that show days can
be very long days. What are some standards you always
have in your bag to kind of get you through
the day.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Well, for when there's my gear makes sense?
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Which online you said do not watch?
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Yeah exactly, I'm I yeah anyone that says, because I
just think the whole wash your gear thing is an
overplayed advice trope, like, no shit, everyone should believe that.
But uh, I just thought, why not just be funny
and like don't watch your gear?
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Yeah, just see.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Yeah, just do what you want to do.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
It's your gear. It's you know, if you want to
have the reputation like Vader did of being stinky, then
go bright ahead. That's up to you.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Yeah. If you can't handle my manly musk and get
out of the business, you're too soft for the business anyway.
But what's in my gear bag? I usually have like
hand grips, like you know, like those It's just sort
of like grip string type stuff, stress balls, obviously hygiene products.
(27:16):
I've been trying to pack food more lately, so I
don't go buying stuff on the road. But that doesn't always.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Work it, does it, because then you're in the community
store and you're like, you know what that does? Look good?
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Or oh they read exactly, yeah exactly, and yeah that's
pretty much my standard boring ass bag.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Well, you never know what people got in their bag,
so I was always curious.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Yeah, no, I wish it was more exciting.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Well, I mean this might not be as exciting either,
But do you have a double stick tape story?
Speaker 2 (27:46):
A double stick tape story? Yes, I don't know what
that is.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
So you know how mainly a lot of women use it.
Some men use it so they like for dresses or
any part of their gear that they don't want to
fly open or I off, they will stick it to
their body so it sticks to the fabric and then
also their their bodies themselves.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Oh you know, I don't, but you I think I might,
because there's plenty I think on my gear that I
think would benefit from that.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
There you go, Okay, so.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
I think I might. I might just do that.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Well, I look into it because I just had an
interview recently and she told me about I think it's
just sticky on one side, but then I don't know.
It all depends on how adhesive affects your body or
doesn't affect your body, so.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Right, yeah, I always have to deal with the with
the sagging tights well.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
So as much as this is a physical sport obviously
we talked about earlier about uh, it's a mental one
as well, whether it be remembering things or or you know,
the creativeness coming through. How do you kind of mentally
kind of work out, whether it be you know, before
a match, coming down after a match, obviously remembering things
before said match.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Right, I mean I I usually just as far as
like before the match, I just try to clear my
head as much as possible, Like I don't try to
stress myself out by pay like you know, by like
work by like like doing push ups, or like leaning
against the wall and muttering to myself. I just try
to clear my mind and just stand there. Maybe I'll
pace around a little, I'll play everything back in my
(29:28):
head as much as I can. I try to call
less and less every time I go out there. But
depending on who you're wrestling, it may not always. It
may not always work because I have sometimes forgotten certain
things that happen and I look like an idiot. But
like I just I don't know. I just literally just
(29:49):
try to clear my head and worry after the match.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Yeah, because yeah, you can't control, but you can't control.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
And after the match, that's when I'll just be like,
oh God, did I do this? I do that? Oh God,
I'm sorry. I must have hit you too hard. Oh no,
I'm a big proponent of that. Just make sure everything
went smoothly. I try to do anything as as much
as anything is possible to not get heat with anybody.
(30:18):
So I profusely apologize for something that I may not
have been a big deal.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Well, I mean, you gotta ask.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
You never know exactly, you never know.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Yeah. Well, so twenty twenty six is right around the corner.
What are you one of those people that kind of
looks to the next year and be like I want
to do this, this and this, or do you kind
of take it as it comes or how do you
kind of normally or how do you kind of see
twenty twenty six looking for.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
You twenty twenty six? I mean, I like to get
out there more than I am, more than I am
like I have so lately, I guess I've been it's
been kind of slow. I've been I guess I've been
on sort of a self a self made exile or
guess or a little little tiny break. I do hide
you big battle, and I'll pick up gigs whenever I can.
But I'd love to get out there and and like
(31:06):
go back to places I've been before, or go to
new places, travel further than the Northeast. I'd love to
just do all that. I think that every year though,
So next year is not going to be any different.
I'm just gonna do what I can to get myself
out there.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
I love that. Yeah, you gotta just keep being better
every year.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yeah. I try to make goals for myself, but it
doesn't always work out.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Yeah. It's funny people think that they could just like
change everything in one day, and it's like, no, you
gotta like chip away at it. Yeah, you've built this
routine or this whatever it is, and so you've got
to slowly chip away at it to build a new
routine and to do better things than what you're already doing.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Exactly. You gotta, yeah, take risks.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
To exactly you gotta jump.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
So I have a second on the show. I call
it the five Counts. It's five random questions, right, what's
one thing you've always wanted to.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Learn filmmaking, Okay, I would love to do that more.
I like to see myself as I did sketch writing.
Also for UCB, so I wrote a couple comedy sketches.
I'd like to do that more often. What else would
I'd like to learn? I guess I would have just
liked to learn more of a martial art or a
(32:22):
sport or something like that. Be a little more athletic.
That's something I wish I would learned. But it's never
too late to pick up any of that stuff.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
It's not. There are like sixty seven year old men
doing BJJ.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Yeah exactly. I did fencing when I was younger. I'd
love to get back into that.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Interesting. Yeah, I love that headgear. It looks so cool.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
It makes you look tougher than it actually is.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Oh for sure, because you can't really see their face, and.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
So exactly it looks like a serial killer mask.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Yeah, or like a ninja.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Yeah exactly, French ninja.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Why why is that not a character? I need that immediately? Well,
that could be yeah, you could. You could only be
a French ninjaye. Oh there you go, U number two.
If you owned a liquor company, brewery, winery, coffee shop,
or dispensary. Which one would you own and what would
the name be?
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Ooh hmm, Well, I would probably do a brewery. I like,
I'm a big I'm a beer guy specializing in mostly
uh stouts and porters.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Oh, this is the perfect time of here, then.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Oh, I love stout. I love me a good dark,
heavy beer. Same like a nice guinness or something, or
just a coffee a milk stout, a coffee stout porter.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Yeah, sometimes you can lage it. Who knows?
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Mm hmm h miss. As far as name, uh, I
don't know. Just a nice big stout, that's what I'll
call it. A stouty stout right ads abdominal stout, A
(34:08):
stout abdominals from a stout man. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
That's good. I think any brewery around you need to uh,
we need to make this happen.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Well, yeah, just don't give me night. Yeah, still let
me name it. I'll let them do that.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Yeah, I mean they can make it. Yeah, you guys
will work on the name, and.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
I if I could work on it, yeah, on the spot,
I don't. I don't know how I couldn't think of one.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
No, that's fine, that works. Number three what for dinner guests?
Would you have dead or alive.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
For dinner guests? Hmmm? William Shakespeare? Okay, is that just
the interesting?
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Uh Leam Neeson Okay, I like it a big fan,
uh I most I'm a big history guy.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
So I'm just gonna go reach in the bag and say, uh,
Alexander the Great, Okay, imagine that, just talk about him,
about that, about all his conquests and stuff, and uh,
I don't know, it's a really tough question to think about.
Let me think of someone that's like doing stuff now.
(35:23):
Uh oh, Bob actually probably Nick Foley. Yeah, I would
sit him down and talk with him. I think he's
over over at dinner. Pick his brain a bit. With
all these historical figures and Liam Neeson.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
I mean he's also a historical fixture person.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
So well yeah. And if you in the history of wrestling.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Yes, well I met Liam Neeson and him too.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Yeah yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Number four, Who are what inspires you?
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Monty Python? I love Monty Python. I just love sketch comedy.
That usually inspires everything I do. I watch a lot
of sketch comedy shows and like obscure art house films,
and I think that usually keeps my creative juices going.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
I love it. And number five, what would you tell
your seventeen year old self.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Hey, you should really watch pro wrestling. I think you
might like it maybe and maybe just maybe give it
a shot. You can get into it. Yeah, that's what
I tell my seventeen year old self.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Give this pro wrestling thing a look.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Yeah, check it out a bit. In seventeen it would
have been what two thousand and seven it would have been,
I guess a decent year to tune in.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Yeah. My buddy actually was messaging me earlier, well, we
have a little wrestle group chat, Wrestle Boys Chat is
what we call it, and he was rewatching JBL and
Sena from I think It's a Judgment Day five and yeah,
the insane amount of blood on Sena. Oh, and I
was like, I gotta fucking check this out.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
So yeah, no, for sure.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Well, if people want to find out more about you,
follow you online, see you live, how can they do
all the things?
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Follow me on Instagram? I am not it's not fake abs. Also,
I guess on X but I don't really post on
there that much Instagram is my go to now it seems,
uh so that's where you probably find me the most.
That's where I post the most uh not fake abs
on Instagram. Love it and uh yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Yeah, it definitely obviously goes see you live because.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Yes, when you're there, you will see I uh dude stuff,
I will see where I'm posting.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Yes, yeah, and you've got a lot of great match
clips on there, so people are definitely gona check you
out on.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Instagram, right yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Yeah, Well I really enjoyed this, and thank you so
much for coming on. I can't wait you live. I
gotta make it to you in the Northeast. So thank
you for being here.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Right, no, thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Thank you all right, thank you so much Andrew for
being on the show again. Definitely make sure to check
him out. He is doing absolutely great things and even
better videos on his Instagram. Now why you're following him
(38:30):
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Speaker 2 (38:58):
Cheers three two one
Welcome to Bruisers podcast about beer, coffee, booze and Bruisers.
I'm your host, Rody John and today we talked to
Andrew Donaldson. We talked about his journey into pro wrestling,
fun road stories, and so much more. Andrew is doing
so much great things in the world of pro wrestling.
You might know him by his abs. They might be real,
they might be fake, but they are definitely not fake.
(00:40):
So you definitely want to hear it from him and
not me. So, without further ado, here is Andrew Donaldson.
I would like to welcome the show. Andrew Donaldson. How
(01:00):
are you doing today, sir?
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I'm good. How are you?
Speaker 1 (01:03):
I'm well?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Going by the shoot name, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
So for those listening kind of pain, it's a word picture.
Where are you at? What's going on around you?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I am just in my house, just chilling is right now?
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
I'm just on my I'm just sitting on my little
couch here, just talking to you in my basement.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
How is it because you're in the north, how is
it having a basement here in the South. It doesn't
quite work due to ours not being what it should be.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Man, I don't know. I just always had it it's
just I never thought of what people without basements.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Yeah, we had. I had one friend growing up that
had a basement. I haven't gone. I haven't found him
again and be like, hey, is that basement still there?
Because how does that still work? Because we need him
badly down here. I want I want them, but they
just our soul. What is so weird that it doesn't
allow us to have basements?
Speaker 2 (02:02):
I mean, I don't know the zoning laws of the South.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
That's not that's not part of your things. You look
up on Google on a regular basis.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
H Nah, that's not my thing.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I get it. That makes sense. Well, let's go all
the way back in time. What is your earliest memory
of pro wrestling.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
I'm a late bloomer. I actually I started I didn't
start watching until college really like like just went in
and watched an episode of Raw and then I just
realized this is kind of my thing. I kind of
love this. I mean growing up, I was always aware
of wrestling, but like I never was one of those
people that's like, oh, that's the stake, like you let
(02:43):
I just always I had, like I guess, a quiet
respect for it, you know. But then I remember I
think when I was really young. I did watch that
Eddie Guerrero brock Lessner match at No Way Out. Oh
that's that was Like I remember watching that when I
was not even a fan of wrestling, and I'm like,
this is you know what, It's pretty cool, but then
never really got into it until I hit college.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Well what was it? What was on the TV at
the time that really grabbed you?
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Uh, I'll be honest, when I when I started watching
and in two what it was in two thousand and nine?
And honestly, I guess you could say my favorite like
the wrestler that got me into it and the first
person I really gravitated towards was.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Shameless Interesting was it because of how white he was?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Probably? And also I was really like into Irish stuff
back then for some reason. I don't know why. That's
what my ADHD focus was on.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
What is your most fun Irish fact? Uh?
Speaker 2 (03:44):
You know, I don't know. I couldn't. I couldn't tell you.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Okay, they like, I.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Can't think off the top of my head with that
type of stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Oh sorry, Okay, Yeah, I do love that Shamus. Uh. Well,
I love the fact that they had to create a
new skin color for the action figures, just for him,
but also he has done everything literally in the company.
And I was not the biggest fan when he started,
(04:14):
but now I'm like, I got a lot of respect
for him, and I love what he's doing with his
YouTube show too, because something that he just started randomly
where he was like, you know what, I'm bored with
the way I work out. I also work with a
bunch of other people that work out differently. Let me
just work out with them and we can videotape and
it'd be great.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, No. I respect the hell out of him.
I'm so glad people actually are now like giving him
his flowers, because there was a point where I think
people were starting to turn on him. I guess it
was like during that money in the bank type of thing,
like oh no, we don't want Seamus again as our champion.
What the heck is going on? So there was a
moment where people were turning on him, I guess, and
(04:52):
they were so I guess I don't want to say
shoving him down people's throats, but like he was getting
like a lot of attention. But I'm glad now that
he's kind of taken like a he's taken a bit
of a back seat from them the title stuff because
he's the world title, because like he's already done like
that type of stuff. But in return, he's he's producing
(05:13):
some really solid work with like really solid opponents, hard hitting,
brawling stuff, and I kind of love it. I'm really
glad he's getting his his flowers now people are giving
it to him.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Yeah. I loved him in the Bar. The Bar is
one of my favorite.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
That was great.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Yeah, I'm always a big Cizaro fan, as it is
so like putting those guys together, I was like, Okay,
I'm here for it.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
That was like his only tag team run. I guess
that was like his experiment in the tag team division, right.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
And then he was the leader of the Union of
Nations is that.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
What it was, the United Nations or whatever. Yeah, and
they thought that was that was cool at first, but
like it, they didn't really do much with it.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
They didn't. I think, ah, what heck, because I know
he lost or he beat Roman and then yeah, the
whole thing fell apart, I want to say, because Alberto
got fired or something I don't.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Know, right, and they kicked Wade bart out.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Yeah, or was it that he got injured.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
I don't know. Well, man, I know they turned on
Wade Barrett, but way Barrett did not turn baby face immediately.
He just kind of I think he kind of got
fired even pretty soon after that too, I'm being honest.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know. But that was that was
a waste of potential, that whole League of Nations or
United Nation thing.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Yeah, no, that makes sense because I was also.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
A Russev fan too. I really like what they did
with him. I still love the guy. Yeah, like I was,
I was drawn to him. I think I just like Europeans.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Well, they have that harder hitting style that almost makes
it well there's well there's the different styles. There's the
you know, the Zach Saber junior kind of catches catch
can or there's like the really physical what you get
with Shamus and what you get with Russif and then
obviously well all Spray's of a blending of them, but
with the high flying but still like yeah, yeah, European
(07:04):
style so much better, okay, not better.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I am actually a World of Sport kind of fan.
I do like watching World of Sports.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
I love that stuff.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Yeah yeah, yeah, And also because I watched I started
watching wrestling. Then I watched Uh, I watched the match
on Raw it was Seamous versus Finley, and then it
kind of I watched that and I'm like, I actually
kind of like Finley now. So Finley ultimately became my
favorite wrestler at one point. He still kind of is. Honestly,
I really admire the guy.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
I love. Yeah, I loved him in WWE, and then
what he's doing behind the scenes and what he's done
with the girls is, yeah, they're so fantastic. I love
what Sun is doing over in Japan.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Both his sons.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Yeah, but and then what that's the fourth generation, right
because yeah, because.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
His dad was a wrestler, right, guy, his grandfather was too.
I watched a little mini documentary about his entire family.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
There's a documentary about that.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah, it's like a it's like a really a short
documentary release like in like I think Northern Ireland. It
was about the the Finley family.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
I'm gonna look that up. That's one more watching.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
I think it's just called the Fit Finley's Okay, it's
very interesting stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
I love that. Well, when did you think to yourself,
this is also something I want to do.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
I feel like almost immediately when I first started watching,
because I was always into the the rough housing fighting
kind of like you know, play fighting kind of stuff.
I guess with friends and all that, and like action
movie making my own little action sequences with like action
figures and stuff like that. So I feel like I
kind of blended everything I like together. But I don't
watch necessarily for all the athletics. I like the theatrics.
(08:49):
So I felt this is a perfect amalgamation or blending
of everything I love. So I figured I I kind
of want to give it a shot.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Well, I mean, being in New York, how did you
obviously finally decide on being trained by Johnny Rods?
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Oh? Yes, I think, I just I think I wish
it was deeper. I literally just google searched places in
New York, uh for as in wrestling schools, and that
was the first thing that came up, honestly, and I'm like,
I'll give her a shot, and it was probably like
and it was it was an interesting, uh time.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
What what did you think you learned the most from him?
Because his the laundry list of people that have been
trained by him is so fantastic.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
I think realistically what you what you'll get from his
training that I love. He will drill the basics right
into you, Like you will know your foundation and you
will be like like ridden hard. Probably you will be
ridden to death about undoing your roles and your bumps
and all that stuff. Like he will drill that into
(09:54):
you until it's like like second nature to you. It's
like totally comes sort of like breathing. So that's why
I always appreciated admired Like my basics I think are
pretty solid.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
That's I That's a great way to train somebody because,
like you said, it then becomes just second nature or
just a regular reaction. It's like sneezing or breathing really
at that point. So yeah, no matter what's happening in
the ring, you can you know exactly what.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
You're doing exactly exactly.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
When did when you started like going through the training
and obviously starting to figure out what you were wanting
to do, whether it be your move set or how
you your character was going to uh sell off different
things or even the moves that makes sense for your character,
How did you start figuring out what those were going
to be? And obviously there's ones you probably tried or
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then you're like, never mind, I'm not going to add that.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Well, yeah, I don't do anything. I just I don't
do anything I know I probably can't do. So I
don't even really bother to try it unless I've practiced it.
But if I also feel like it's not necessary for
me to do, I won't do it. But I do
want to. I do, like try to do something that's
equally as devastating within its simplicity though, Like I can
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throw a mean body slam, Like I can slam someone
very hard but land them safely, obviously, but it looks vicious, right,
So I always just I always like to think I
just do basic, like do basic moves, but also put
like little little innovations to it, like my whole ab gimmick.
I like to do anything that targets the stomach. I
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do moves that I do, dominal stretches, I'll do like
I'll do my one of my signature moves is an
ab claws slam. I claw someone in the stomach and
then I just choke slam them basically, and like, I'll
do anything like that targets the stomach pretty much strike
unique strikes. So spear them, head button, knee drop them.
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I'll send on onto them, I'll just sit on them.
I'll even push someone up and make them do sit
ups into my stuff. I drive their head into my stomach.
I mean it started out, I guess, like I just
I like to just do something that makes sense for
my character. So of course he would do all that.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Yeah, and you don't see as much adominal stretches as
you should anymore.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Right, And yeah, I yet to do it, but I
would love to like end a match with an adminal stretch,
but it has to look like super convincing obviously when
I think I can do. But like, yeah, yeah, you
don't really see that a lot. And it's and when
you do, it's like just sort of a common hold,
like just to put him.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
In right something quick, and then obviously you get hip
tossed out of it.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Yeah. And it doesn't yeah, not meant to look like
it's it finishes matches.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Yeah, I mean, honestly, like going back, if you look
at the Vaughan erics, like the claw is kind of
a dumb move, but that's they that was like the
most devastating move on the planet.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Yeah, I like to think of it is, and like
when he when they were doing the iron claw to
like the head, just think of it as like the
pressure on his head they're applying is so bad that
they can't think and do anything and do anything to
get out of it, when it would normally be so simple.
But just imagine heat is like squeezing this dude right
in the right on the temporal lobe. You discombobulating them
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in your tremendous amounts of pain. So what, what of
course do you do? You pass out?
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Yeah, you have no choice.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Yeah, that's how I like to see. Even though your
arms are still free, your legs are still free, but
when you have that much pressure on your skull, it
doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Yeah it can't. Yeah, it can't control the rest of
your body if your brain's.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Not working exactly. And that's what I have to do
with the stomach. I'll grab you, I grab your and
uh and sometimes if I feel if I'm feeling naughty,
I'll dell yeah, my thumb in their belly button, which,
if you know, it's probably not a very comfortable feeling.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Especially if you're already in a stretch hold like that.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Right, Well, I'm not even a stretch like I just
I just reach and claw them, oh, and then pick
them up and slam.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Who is the biggest person you have? Of course lamed.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Uh, I would say Matt Tremont, but I didn't really
slam him. I just kind of booted him and I
hit him with a with a with a and I
hit him with a ab wheel of the biggest person,
I've done it to a bunch of guys that are
probably over like two hundred pounds. Uh, But I do it.
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I do it quite regularly to a lot of people
that are relatively bigger. I can't hmmm, yeah, I can't
really give a specific name, but there's plenty of guys
that are big that I've done it too. I love
that it don't get as high as as like anyone
else would, but it's still devastating.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
You don't need to I've heard Mick Foley has even
said his abdominal injury was the worst injury he's ever had,
and that.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Goes through everything. I love it full. He did tell
you I met him at air at a show I
did at a birthday party and he was there and
he has a special guest. So like of course, the
wrestlers who were there to help to reperform at a
birthday party in Long Island, got to talk to Mick Foley.
So when we all came up, basically all the wrestlers
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just kind of lined up almost to meet him, and
like he shook all of our hands, but before he
got when he got to me, before he got to me,
he pulled away. He looked at me. He was like,
is that me? Because I looked because I was at
a phase where I was heavier, so I looked a
bit like him. And then he shook my hands. He
was really really nice. And then I posted a photo
we took on Facebook of me and him. You know,
(15:40):
I just took a photo of him, and like I wrote, Dad.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
I've met him a couple of times, I think at yes,
any some signing, and then also I've seen him his
comedy show a couple of times, and yeah, could not
be the nicest, more nice, Like I have never heard
anybody say a bad thing about.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Right exactly, and that you feel it almost feels rare
in the business like this, Yes, especially from the old time.
He guys like that.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
I mean, the worst thing people say is that he's cheap,
which I mean, which is mean, he's good with his money.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
And he also is a wrestler. I guess I started
watching more of after I got into wrestling because he's
my type. He seems like he fits my he fits
almost my style I would love to do. Like he's
like my body type, and he's doing he does already
what he has to do, and he basically sacrificed his
body for wrestling. You always got to respect him for that. Yeah, dumb,
(16:37):
probably dumb stuff, but and he'll even probably admit that,
but he did it. He sacrificed his body for the
entertainment of millions.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
And it's made him millions, and he's a New York
Times bestseller exactly, multiple Hall of Fames. Also, what he
does with his charity and stuff like that just next level.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Yeah. He he was, without a doubt, one of my
favorites growing up as well. It was like Brett Hart
and then it was him because I was like, oh
that was cocktas Jack. Oh shit, he's doing this. Hell yeah, Well,
so who are some veterans that kind of helped you
along the way as well?
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Well? As I? As I said, I really really appreciated
this match I had. But Matt Tremont. I think he's
the biggest name I've worked so far, and it was
really really fun. He was really easy to work with.
He allowed me to do things that I probably like.
He allowed me to just sort of wing it and
I in a more hardcore setting. It wasn't like his
tip the typical death matches you see him do. It
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was a bit of a tamer version, but I got
to do more more, more cuckoo things and all that stuff.
I got hit with chairs, hit with baking sheets, I
hit him back with them. That was a pretty fun
experience for me too. It really made me appreciate the
more hardcore style of wrestling because that allows so much
creative freedom. Like you get to this wing it like
(18:00):
I did improv, so I feel like it's a good
relieving thing to do.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Okay, I want to talk about improv for in a minute,
but firsonal to talk about the death you you know,
with the death match. I've talked to so many different
you know, death match wrestlers, hardcore wrestlers, whatever it is,
and they have said the same thing that they the
creative freedom that they have still telling stories but obviously
using uh you know, probably more hardcore things than obviously
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a regular match. Like you said, the creative freedom of it,
you talk to people about it because I know there's
obviously people that are on either side of like oh
is garbage wrestling or oh I fucking love it, and
then sometimes there's people in between. But talk to us
a little bit more about your experience with it.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
I mean, like, I don't want to ever claim to
be a death match guy. Obviously a hardcore guy, so
I can't really enter that mindset, but I do. But
after doing like two more like hardcore type of I
guess I guess deathmatch lights. I guess you can call
it like diet death matches. I understand the adrenaline rush
that comes from it.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
I like that. I like that term.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
I I I kind of understand the the adrenaline rush
that comes from it. And when I say creative freedom,
like you literally like you're just like you're giving weapons
and like you never are told ahead of time when
you're gonna get hit with something. It's like a walk
and talk situation, you know, in the middle of a
when you're in the middle of a fright of a
fight and someone whips out like a tube or something,
(19:27):
you just cover up and they let them whack you
with it. It's a you really, it's a real free,
free flowing type thing. And that's why I always that's
why I admire about it, because like with a regular match,
you gotta, like I guess, just like you know, plan
stuff out and talk over stuff and and sometimes you
forget stuff. But in the hardcore match, if you forget something,
just whack them with a weapon. Yeah, that's how I
(19:51):
say for Kaiju Big Battle too, and I do the
Kaiju Big Battle. Uh if you if you forget a spot,
hit them with a fake building.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Anybody who's never been to a Kiju Big Battle show.
I had went to one when it was here when
WrestleMania was here in Arlington, but we saw Kaiju in Dallas.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
That's probably before I joined on. Yet it's fun.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
One of the most fun shows I've ever been to,
and I love. I took my brother and his wife
and they had never been to live wrestling. Well, my
brother been a live wrestling, but she had never been
the most fun they've ever had too.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
They fully because it doesn't it doesn't it doesn't cater
to wrestling fans, no, exactly. I see it as you're
filming a monster movie in the confines of a wrestling ring.
That's all it is.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Yeah. I once I discovered them online, I went into
a deep dive on them. And that's exactly what the
guys who came up with it did, Like there were
art students out of I think Boston and.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Then yeah, oh yeah, nii yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah, and I was like, this is fucking awesome.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
It Oh yeah, I really really. I come to love
doing it. I've I've been I've been with them for
like two and a half years and it's just been
the most fun.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
I almost think they're a modern day ish Chakara, Like.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
There's a lot of promotions that are there like modern
day Chakaras. But I could see where you would think that,
but I think probably just crossed the wacky characters and
all that stuff. But probably like to think it's kind
of it's kind of different. But huh.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
I think that like the artwork for the posters in
the dv in the DVD, so yeah, that's where I
also got that from that.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Yeah, that definitely plays a part in it. It's it's
an art project.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Exactly, yes, which I think we need more of that
in wrestling because wrestling.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Yeah, yeah, no, for sure, for.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Sure talk to us more about this improv. So how
long have you how long did you do improv?
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Well, I was on a team for a while. I did.
I did go to UCB and the pit and all
that stuff. I did. I went through their curriculum. I
don't think I ever really did too much too much
after that, but I was. I did do a team,
and I do like to think I can I can
whip it out if I need to.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
What what what do they go through in the UCV.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Well, it's just basically you do all these improv games
and you go through like the beats, you do the
Herald format, the Herald structure or yes ending and all
that stuff, and you go through that through like I
guess four like levels and all that stuff, and in
the end, yeah you don't yeah, and in the end
you just have like become proficient in improv. Okay, I
(22:30):
wish I could be more articulate with this stuff, but
it was it was just fun and I just I
just I just had fun doing it.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Yeah, that's awesome. I love all of that, that whole
world because again, like the whole yes, and you have
to just keep building on it. You can't just be like, I.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Know, I know you talked to Sazzy about this, right,
So yeah, that's so it's basically that.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Perfect. Well, so if anybody's never seen your rest before,
what three matches do they go out of way? Or
is go out of their way to see?
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Oh h there was my matchup Matt Tremont. I think
that's one of the not just because it was it's
it's Matt Tremont, but it's one of my favorites. Right
My match against Erica Damia Intergender Bonanza for the for
the ID for the ID Supertitle. It's just wacky and
fun and it was one of my first real big
title matches and it was just chocked full of silliness,
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but also you could tell a story was being told.
It was it was a lot of fun. She's great
to work with. Uh and for number three, Oh there's
so much. I had this match at one of my gus,
one of my big like singles on the Indies when
I first started. I had this match against a guy
(23:42):
named Blank, a former Chakara guy, and it was at
Camp leap Frog when that was still around. Yeah, I was,
and I had a match with him and that, and
it was obviously honestly one of my favorite fun things
because it really exposed me to a new audience. I
guess it really was sort of a coming out moment,
and I just thought it was a lot of a
(24:04):
lot of fun. And I think what you'll expect from
me is just sort of silliness and all that stuff,
but also like you can kind of tell this some seriousness,
but mostly just kind of silliness, which I think there
needs to be a little bit more in wrestling.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
I also think we need far more silliness in wrestling.
I have always say that wrestling is a buffet and
we need a little bit of everything.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
And yeah, load up your plate, yes exactly.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Because you never know the person next to you might
be really into the thing that you weren't into, or
vice versa, or you never know what's going to grab somebody,
and especially somebody who's never been to a wrestling show,
or also they might see it online and be like, oh,
this is awesome. Maybe I would have to go see this,
especially in like the Northeast, like you guys have, there's
so many promotions up there that if you just discover
(24:55):
all of it, because you know, can't leep Frog is
going to be different than House of Glory, and then
you're like, like you're talking about with Kaiju Big Battle,
and then also you know fucking GCW like it's gonna
be there's always.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Some intergender bonanza.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Exactly, yes, which I think we need. I love intergender matches,
and again I understand the bad and the good of them,
but again, this is art. And at the end of
the day, from what I keep hearing, women and men
all train together, so it's just basically having training, but
in a ring in front of a bunch of other people.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
I think it's more fun doing intergender matches, honestly, like this,
it's real, Like this is fun mm hm. You can
tell a good story from it, but you can also
just have fun and treat it like nothing. Like like
you're wrestling and someone else a fellow dude, right.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Exactly, you're telling a fun story and you're all doing art.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
At the end of the day, I just I just
like wrestling. I just like to have fun doing it.
I try not to think too much into that type
of into that type of stuff. I just as long
as if I'm having fun, they're having fun, and we
have a good match and we're doing something productive. I'm
all for it.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
I love that. Well, I know that show days can
be very long days. What are some standards you always
have in your bag to kind of get you through
the day.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Well, for when there's my gear makes sense?
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Which online you said do not watch?
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Yeah exactly, I'm I yeah anyone that says, because I
just think the whole wash your gear thing is an
overplayed advice trope, like, no shit, everyone should believe that.
But uh, I just thought, why not just be funny
and like don't watch your gear?
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Yeah, just see.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Yeah, just do what you want to do.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
It's your gear. It's you know, if you want to
have the reputation like Vader did of being stinky, then
go bright ahead. That's up to you.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Yeah. If you can't handle my manly musk and get
out of the business, you're too soft for the business anyway.
But what's in my gear bag? I usually have like
hand grips, like you know, like those It's just sort
of like grip string type stuff, stress balls, obviously hygiene products.
(27:16):
I've been trying to pack food more lately, so I
don't go buying stuff on the road. But that doesn't always.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Work it, does it, because then you're in the community
store and you're like, you know what that does? Look good?
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Or oh they read exactly, yeah exactly, and yeah that's
pretty much my standard boring ass bag.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Well, you never know what people got in their bag,
so I was always curious.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Yeah, no, I wish it was more exciting.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Well, I mean this might not be as exciting either,
But do you have a double stick tape story?
Speaker 2 (27:46):
A double stick tape story? Yes, I don't know what
that is.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
So you know how mainly a lot of women use it.
Some men use it so they like for dresses or
any part of their gear that they don't want to
fly open or I off, they will stick it to
their body so it sticks to the fabric and then
also their their bodies themselves.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Oh you know, I don't, but you I think I might,
because there's plenty I think on my gear that I
think would benefit from that.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
There you go, Okay, so.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
I think I might. I might just do that.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Well, I look into it because I just had an
interview recently and she told me about I think it's
just sticky on one side, but then I don't know.
It all depends on how adhesive affects your body or
doesn't affect your body, so.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Right, yeah, I always have to deal with the with
the sagging tights well.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
So as much as this is a physical sport obviously
we talked about earlier about uh, it's a mental one
as well, whether it be remembering things or or you know,
the creativeness coming through. How do you kind of mentally
kind of work out, whether it be you know, before
a match, coming down after a match, obviously remembering things
before said match.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Right, I mean I I usually just as far as
like before the match, I just try to clear my
head as much as possible, Like I don't try to
stress myself out by pay like you know, by like
work by like like doing push ups, or like leaning
against the wall and muttering to myself. I just try
to clear my mind and just stand there. Maybe I'll
pace around a little, I'll play everything back in my
(29:28):
head as much as I can. I try to call
less and less every time I go out there. But
depending on who you're wrestling, it may not always. It
may not always work because I have sometimes forgotten certain
things that happen and I look like an idiot. But
like I just I don't know. I just literally just
(29:49):
try to clear my head and worry after the match.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Yeah, because yeah, you can't control, but you can't control.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
And after the match, that's when I'll just be like,
oh God, did I do this? I do that? Oh God,
I'm sorry. I must have hit you too hard. Oh no,
I'm a big proponent of that. Just make sure everything
went smoothly. I try to do anything as as much
as anything is possible to not get heat with anybody.
(30:18):
So I profusely apologize for something that I may not
have been a big deal.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Well, I mean, you gotta ask.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
You never know exactly, you never know.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Yeah. Well, so twenty twenty six is right around the corner.
What are you one of those people that kind of
looks to the next year and be like I want
to do this, this and this, or do you kind
of take it as it comes or how do you
kind of normally or how do you kind of see
twenty twenty six looking for.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
You twenty twenty six? I mean, I like to get
out there more than I am, more than I am
like I have so lately, I guess I've been it's
been kind of slow. I've been I guess I've been
on sort of a self a self made exile or
guess or a little little tiny break. I do hide
you big battle, and I'll pick up gigs whenever I can.
But I'd love to get out there and and like
(31:06):
go back to places I've been before, or go to
new places, travel further than the Northeast. I'd love to
just do all that. I think that every year though,
So next year is not going to be any different.
I'm just gonna do what I can to get myself
out there.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
I love that. Yeah, you gotta just keep being better
every year.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yeah. I try to make goals for myself, but it
doesn't always work out.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Yeah. It's funny people think that they could just like
change everything in one day, and it's like, no, you
gotta like chip away at it. Yeah, you've built this
routine or this whatever it is, and so you've got
to slowly chip away at it to build a new
routine and to do better things than what you're already doing.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Exactly. You gotta, yeah, take risks.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
To exactly you gotta jump.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
So I have a second on the show. I call
it the five Counts. It's five random questions, right, what's
one thing you've always wanted to.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Learn filmmaking, Okay, I would love to do that more.
I like to see myself as I did sketch writing.
Also for UCB, so I wrote a couple comedy sketches.
I'd like to do that more often. What else would
I'd like to learn? I guess I would have just
liked to learn more of a martial art or a
(32:22):
sport or something like that. Be a little more athletic.
That's something I wish I would learned. But it's never
too late to pick up any of that stuff.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
It's not. There are like sixty seven year old men
doing BJJ.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Yeah exactly. I did fencing when I was younger. I'd
love to get back into that.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Interesting. Yeah, I love that headgear. It looks so cool.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
It makes you look tougher than it actually is.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Oh for sure, because you can't really see their face, and.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
So exactly it looks like a serial killer mask.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Yeah, or like a ninja.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Yeah exactly, French ninja.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Why why is that not a character? I need that immediately? Well,
that could be yeah, you could. You could only be
a French ninjaye. Oh there you go, U number two.
If you owned a liquor company, brewery, winery, coffee shop,
or dispensary. Which one would you own and what would
the name be?
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Ooh hmm, Well, I would probably do a brewery. I like,
I'm a big I'm a beer guy specializing in mostly
uh stouts and porters.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Oh, this is the perfect time of here, then.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Oh, I love stout. I love me a good dark,
heavy beer. Same like a nice guinness or something, or
just a coffee a milk stout, a coffee stout porter.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Yeah, sometimes you can lage it. Who knows?
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Mm hmm h miss. As far as name, uh, I
don't know. Just a nice big stout, that's what I'll
call it. A stouty stout right ads abdominal stout, A
(34:08):
stout abdominals from a stout man. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
That's good. I think any brewery around you need to uh,
we need to make this happen.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Well, yeah, just don't give me night. Yeah, still let
me name it. I'll let them do that.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Yeah, I mean they can make it. Yeah, you guys
will work on the name, and.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
I if I could work on it, yeah, on the spot,
I don't. I don't know how I couldn't think of one.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
No, that's fine, that works. Number three what for dinner guests?
Would you have dead or alive.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
For dinner guests? Hmmm? William Shakespeare? Okay, is that just
the interesting?
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Uh Leam Neeson Okay, I like it a big fan,
uh I most I'm a big history guy.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
So I'm just gonna go reach in the bag and say, uh,
Alexander the Great, Okay, imagine that, just talk about him,
about that, about all his conquests and stuff, and uh,
I don't know, it's a really tough question to think about.
Let me think of someone that's like doing stuff now.
(35:23):
Uh oh, Bob actually probably Nick Foley. Yeah, I would
sit him down and talk with him. I think he's
over over at dinner. Pick his brain a bit. With
all these historical figures and Liam Neeson.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
I mean he's also a historical fixture person.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
So well yeah. And if you in the history of wrestling.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Yes, well I met Liam Neeson and him too.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Yeah yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Number four, Who are what inspires you?
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Monty Python? I love Monty Python. I just love sketch comedy.
That usually inspires everything I do. I watch a lot
of sketch comedy shows and like obscure art house films,
and I think that usually keeps my creative juices going.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
I love it. And number five, what would you tell
your seventeen year old self.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Hey, you should really watch pro wrestling. I think you
might like it maybe and maybe just maybe give it
a shot. You can get into it. Yeah, that's what
I tell my seventeen year old self.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Give this pro wrestling thing a look.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Yeah, check it out a bit. In seventeen it would
have been what two thousand and seven it would have been,
I guess a decent year to tune in.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Yeah. My buddy actually was messaging me earlier, well, we
have a little wrestle group chat, Wrestle Boys Chat is
what we call it, and he was rewatching JBL and
Sena from I think It's a Judgment Day five and yeah,
the insane amount of blood on Sena. Oh, and I
was like, I gotta fucking check this out.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
So yeah, no, for sure.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Well, if people want to find out more about you,
follow you online, see you live, how can they do
all the things?
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Follow me on Instagram? I am not it's not fake abs. Also,
I guess on X but I don't really post on
there that much Instagram is my go to now it seems,
uh so that's where you probably find me the most.
That's where I post the most uh not fake abs
on Instagram. Love it and uh yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Yeah, it definitely obviously goes see you live because.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Yes, when you're there, you will see I uh dude stuff,
I will see where I'm posting.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Yes, yeah, and you've got a lot of great match
clips on there, so people are definitely gona check you
out on.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Instagram, right yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Yeah, Well I really enjoyed this, and thank you so
much for coming on. I can't wait you live. I
gotta make it to you in the Northeast. So thank
you for being here.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Right, no, thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Thank you all right, thank you so much Andrew for
being on the show again. Definitely make sure to check
him out. He is doing absolutely great things and even
better videos on his Instagram. Now why you're following him
(38:30):
on social media? Definitely make sure to go follow us
on social media. It is bruisers Pod. That is b
R E W S c R S p O D
on the Instagram, the threads, and the Twitter. If you
want to send us an email, it is Bruiserspod at
gmail dot com. If you want to follow me directly,
it is Roady John. That is our O d I
E j O N. Roady John is the name on
the Twitter and an untapped case you want to find
(38:50):
out what I'm drinking. Maybe we never beer together. If
you don't follow me on the threads or the Instagram,
it is official Brodie John. So until next time, make
sure to enjoy life, drink local, and
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Cheers three two one
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