Deputy Suicides and LA Jails

On today’s show, we will be joined by a Candidate for LA Sheriff in 2026 Mike Bornman. Bornman is a 30 plus year Law Enforcement veteran. He is running to replace the incumbent Sheriff Robert Luna. Los Angeles County is the most populated County in the Country with over ten million residents. The Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department is the largest Sheriff’s Department in the Country. Issues in this race are consistent with issues in other large Counties in the Unites States.
We will address his platform of issues that include; employee wellness, CCW Permits, Illegal Immigration and jail operations. It is our intention to drill down on such as; Deputy suicides, building a new jail and working with Immigrations Customs Enforcement.
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Episode Transcript

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like to change the policies in the state. We'll probably
get into that show today with our candidate for Ellie

(01:37):
County Sheriff, Mike Borman. But I also am I just
did a show with Jennifer Shamanski from Cleete the it's
an organization from Texas. I want to say Consolidated Law
Enforcement Association of Texas or it's combined to Law Enforcement
Association of Texas. That's an era. I made an error
last week. It was I said consolidated, it's combined law

(01:59):
Enforcement Association of Texas. And we talked about the Soros
point of das in Hirst State, and you can listen
to that one really great, really great show with Jennifer,
and I'm hoping to have a really great show in
a couple of weeks with Sheriff Swank from Pierce County, Washington.
You know, there's a lot of great people all across
the country that are fighting in a good fight, trying
to do the right thing, common sense wise, when it

(02:20):
relates to law enforcement. And I think our guest today
is going to be one of those guys. But before
we get into interviewing Captain Borman and his candidacy for
the sheriff Ley County, I wanted to roll with a
couple of current events. There's so many going on today.
We've got the p Dady that we got a judgment
on his case, so he was found he was found
guilty on to the lesser charges transporting transporting prossecutes over

(02:44):
state line. Anybody was acquitted out and all the other ones.
But I think his case is just emblematic of the
rot and the moral decay that is going on in
Hollywood and the music industry here in California. You saw
that with Weinstein, you see it with him. You know,
Epstein wasn't really in that industry, but it's a similar
kind of stuff. And I'm glad he got convicted of something.

(03:05):
I'm glad he got convicted of something. Of course, they
were the lesser charges. He is still looking for some
at some time in federal prison. And then we got
the big beautiful bill going on. President Trump looks like
he's going to get his legislation moving forward. But the
really big one is around the country is what is
going on with Ice. This constant denigration and demonization of
Ice who's just doing their job. And remember, they wouldn't

(03:28):
have to do this so aggressively had we not had
four years of completely open borders. You know, it's heartbreaking
seeing some of the raids and some of the people
going away because they're probably for the most part, decent people,
but they're here illegally, they're working here illegally. And this
was allowed for four years under Biden. In fact, it
was expanded. And the only way to get our arms

(03:50):
around this problem is to deport people. And I certainly
would like to see us deport criminal aliens first, but hey,
there doesn't seem to be any common sense in California.
Also have to they I has said over and over again,
just let us in your jails. In our local officials refuse. Now,
let's listen roll with the first video. I think this
is trumps sues. It's related, and we'll listen to that

(04:11):
and I'll comment.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Trump administration is suing Los Angeles, accusing city leaders of
blocking federal immigration enforcement SUSAN.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
Here sooner is here with details of what they're charging SUSAN.

Speaker 4 (04:24):
Indeed, they are charging a lot. The federal lawsuit names
mayor Karen Mass and the La City Council. US Attorney
General Bill Saley says that the city's policies block immigration enforcement.
He's blaming them for recent violence during southern California raids.
The lawsuit also claims LA's sanctuary laws violate the Constitution.

(04:45):
In December of twenty twenty four, the city council voted
to ban the city from cooperating with the FEDS engaged
in immigration raids. The ordinance also bans the use of
city resources from being used for those raids. Social media
is full of videos like this where ice rays are
met with protests by community members. They're happening all over
the country, but the Department of Justice believes the temperature

(05:08):
is higher here than any other part of the country.
Thanks to that La ordinance. From the police chief to
the mayor, the city stands with immigrants, and therefore, according
to US Attorney Bill A. Saley, they're working against the Feds.

Speaker 5 (05:22):
What's going on in the streets is unacceptable. We have
people every day assaulting our agents. They see agents conducting
an operation as swarmer, people instantly start surrounding them. You
have all these apps now to notify the public where
our agents are you have people trying to dox our agents,
and you wonder why they're wearing face masks because they
want to take a picture of them so they can
find their family and go to their home.

Speaker 4 (05:41):
The lawsuit claims LA's ordinance goes beyond SB fifty four
California's sanctuary law. Not only is important information regarding undocumented
immigrants not shared with the Feds, but the city can
actually bar specific agencies from LA property. That's a violation
of the Constitution according to Bill the Sale, specifically the
supremacy clause. Now, we reached out to members of the

(06:04):
La City Council and the mayor for a reaction. So far,
only council member Hugo Soto Martinez responded. His statement reads,
in part, we refused to stand by and let Donald
Trump deport innocent families. We're going to do everything within
our power to keep families together. And if successful, the
lawsuit could strike down local protections for undocumented migrants, and

(06:27):
they are willing, of course, the DOJ to go all
the way up to the Supreme Court on this one.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
Yeah, and the US Attorney General, Pam Bondi was a
part of this. She's launching this attacking, Does Sodo Martinez
have any examples of actual I mean, he says the
innocent people, But does anybody who is a US citizen
been deported? I mean, then administration argument would be, we're
deporting people who are here illegally. They're not allowed to
be here illegally.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
That was not given with the statement. We tried to
get other city council members and the mayor to make
a statement at all on this lawsuit. We can't tell
you that. Go so to my own was one of
the co authors of the ordinance that passed it. It past
at the end of twenty twenty four.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Continue to fight back from LA all right.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
Thank you, thanks Susan.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
Yeah, thanks to Fox eleven for that. So here, so
we got the one politician came forward and says, yeah,
we want to resist and obstruct. If you remember when
Karen Bass first opened your mouth about this before the
riots happened, she used the word resist. We need to
resist ice coming to our community. Well, that's some pretty
strong language. A rebellion is if you look up in Webster,

(07:31):
seeing rebellion is resisting government, right, A group so or
a person resisting the government and the laws of government.
Which is what is going on in Los Angeles. And
so Trump is getting aggressive, he's suing, and I just
I have to point this out because it's not that
long ago that we had a sheriff resist federal investigations
into his jails, investigates the Feds, and he ended up

(07:54):
going to federal prison. So did a bunch of other
Sheriff's department employees who followed his lead because they interfered
with a federal investigation. They interfered with a federal officers
and that was a violation of the supremacross some supremacy
clause of the United States, but it was also a
violation of federal statutes, and and that was as riff Leebaca.

(08:18):
He went to jail for I forget what his term
was was three years, but they took him down. And
Trump is being just as aggressive with these employees. So
not are these politicians. I'm not surprised that some of
them have decided to get a little shy around the
camera because those words will be used against them if
they keep up this behavior. Now let's roll with the
second one. It's the Sacramento politicists are also just as crazy,

(08:40):
and they're trying to pass the law to ban mass
by federal authorities. Let's roll with that one.

Speaker 6 (08:45):
You This morning, Congresswoman Nidia of Alasquez is calling for
more transparency among ICE agents. Alasquez and other city leaders
are gathering outside the Federal Plaza Immigration Court in about
an hour and a half to put the spotlight on
her bill No Masks for Ice Act. They would ban
ICE agents from wearing face coverings during arrests and require

(09:06):
them to clearly display their name and agency. The congresswoman says,
masks have created confusion and the lack of accountability.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
Yeah, that's a bunch of all this is there's language
that they use of confusion and lack of accountability and transparency.
They use all these words, but you know, none of
those words count to them when you want transparency of them.
They don't want to give you transparency. You know, why
don't we have the politicians all wear body cameras so
we can see what they're doing and why they're doing it.
They won't agree to anything like that, but they have

(09:36):
to do it for law enforcement. Let's be real on
why these federal authorities are wearing masks. Because they have
families and they have homes and the people, the politicians
here in Eli County in La City have made it
very clear if they can make it painful and disruptive
for these agents, they will. They've called them Nazis, they
call them Gestapo, They've denigrated them, They publicly denigrated them.

(10:00):
Do you think that they would be above doxing these
federal offl pers are not going to be. We're seeing
the conservative We've seen conservative influencers being swatted. That's what
would happen to these guys. We've seen politicians getting swatted.
That's what would happen to these guys. People will show
up their homes. Absolutely, we've seen the leftists here in
La County. They're not restrained at all. We'd had a
DA for a long time who wouldn't prosecute them, and

(10:22):
you know now we do have a DA. Hopefully he
would prosecute them. And we have a sheriff who should
be speaking up and I don't think he's speaking up loudly,
but hey, let's bring on our guests and we'll ask
him his opinion of these the lead segment, they get
into who Mike Borman is, why he's running, and some
of the other issues Hey, Mike, welcome to the show.
So I hey, I loaded the show up for you.

(10:43):
I put through some right out there, some hand grenades
out there so that you can speak about what's going
on in La County. So let's talk about the first one.
Let's see is Karen Bass and the Trump suing the
locals and what do you think?

Speaker 7 (10:58):
Man, I'll tell you what. It's a good thing. And
you couldn't see me. I was sitting in the studio
and I'm just like this for the whole thing, and
it's like, oh man, it's it's incredible that in this
day and age, this kind of stuff is still going on.

Speaker 8 (11:09):
The sanctuary city policy.

Speaker 7 (11:12):
I mean, even fifty four was bad enough, but this
is like fifty four on steroids for the city of
La Right.

Speaker 8 (11:18):
Yeah, it's just it's.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
Let's talk about fifty four first. Right, So, because first
of all, these guys are a sale's going to put
some risk into this, right, He's going to say, all right,
we're going to prosecute you guys. We're gonna suit you
guys and compel change. And you know, they might actually
prosecute some of these guys federally. So the Values Act
is what we're talking about. And if I remember when
the Values Act, we were both still working when that
was passed. If I recall, and they were gonna do

(11:44):
sanctuary state policies, not work with ice at all, and
actually was it was then Sheriff Jim McDonald, who, oh,
I think we got we got a mistake on that, Amanda,
Can we get Captain Mike Bornman m a n dot
com is his website, can get that up and and
he intererted and he there we go, that's the right one,

(12:06):
guess Mike Borman at his website for sheriff, it's www
dot Captain Mike Bornman b O r N m a
n dot com and you can check out all of
his platform and find out who he is. But then
Sheriff McDonald got involved and he lightened it up a
little bit. So basically California has sanctuary state light and

(12:27):
then La County and La City went hardcore Sactuary City.
That's what you're talking about, right.

Speaker 7 (12:32):
Yeah, And I think you actually hit the nail on
the head when you talked about ice having to chase
people around the streets. You know, I think it was
a poor decision to remove ICE from the jails because
when they were in a controlled environment, you had the
crooks already there. ICE could check them out and snap
those guys up before they get got back on the street.

(12:53):
And now that they got kicked out of the jail system,
the county is required to release these guys and they
go right back out and they start praying on the
immigrant community and everybody else, and then ICE is required
to put on their masks and go chase these guys around.
And I think that it was a poor decision, and
I know, personally, I believe it was just for the

(13:13):
sake of optics. And when you start playing politics with
law enforcement, it's not going to end well.

Speaker 8 (13:20):
You know, you.

Speaker 7 (13:21):
Just have to enforce the law, and that's the way
it goes, because that's the law. But to you know,
I tell you I would never ever turn my back
on any law enforcement agency. I don't care what their
uniform is, what their badge is. I couldn't care less.
They have a duty, they have a job, and I
would accommodate when and where I can. Now, I know

(13:42):
fifty four precludes us from from helping overtly, and I
understand that. I don't think the Sheriff's apartment should be
chasing around, you know, the people are just simply illegally
in the country. That's ICE's job and they get to
do that. But the criminal element, these people that they're
in for all kinds of heinous felony and you know,
high misdemeanors and everything. Man, I'll tell you what, I

(14:05):
get a bus and drive them down there myself to
kick them out, because they are a bane on society.
They are a drain on the public, and it's just
it's untenable right now.

Speaker 8 (14:16):
And I know that you got to agree.

Speaker 7 (14:19):
The immigrant community doesn't want them around either, these guys
that just prey on them and commit all these crimes.
It's like, I'm sure they'd help me drive a bus
down there.

Speaker 8 (14:28):
You know.

Speaker 7 (14:29):
These those folks have to go. And that's that's kind
of like the bottom line with me.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
And that's absolutely right. And let's clarify your vision and
the position of the FEDS in this one is if
they're able to go to the jail to get the felons,
to get the worst of the worst that are here,
they don't necessarily have to go into the neighborhoods to
look for them, and so it reduces the conflict because
this is what BASS and so they're here created conflict. However,

(14:56):
if we left them in our jail, if LP left
them in their jail, they'd be busy mining the jails
for these bad guys to take them out versus going
to the community. That's the first point, right, And what
do you think you think that's true? Right?

Speaker 8 (15:09):
No, it is true, And you know I'd want to
clarify that.

Speaker 7 (15:12):
Just because the Feds give us a lawful detainer for someone,
if they don't meet our criteria, we still would not
turn them over. So it's not like it's just carte
blanche whatever they want. It would each individual case stuff
be studied on its own merit.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
So if you were elected sheriff, you would look at
the Values Act and you would adjust to share sport
and policy. So right now they don't work with ice
at all, and you would just embrace state law and
abide by state law. So high felonies and high misdemeanors
are likely the ones that would be deported. That's what
you're talking about, right.

Speaker 8 (15:43):
Right exactly.

Speaker 7 (15:44):
I mean, it's it's for the betterment of the community
that that's done. And my whole thing is it's all
public safety, and it makes the public less safe if
you're letting all these bad guys out and you got
to go chase these knuckleheads around the streets, right, I mean,
it just it's common sense.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
And so let's talk about the migrant community and how
they're actually targeted criminal Migrants tend to target people in
their own community. First. This is this is not rocket science.
We saw it with you know, Italians, when you know,
with Lacos and austral with the Irish gangs back in
the day. They would target target other Irish Jewish gang
same thing. They would extort businesses within their community. They

(16:23):
would traffic sex, traffic women in their own community, and
they would sell unfortunately, they would sell drugs in their
own community too. So it is their local community that
gets impacted the most first by these criminals. Will taking
them out actually keeps our migrant community safer. That's that's
the explanation, right.

Speaker 7 (16:41):
Yeah, And you know the reality is is that the
migrants are already wary of the police and they're afraid
of getting noticed. They're afraid of calling the cops, just
like back in history with every other group. So they
make really ripe targets for these guys because they know
most times they're not even going to call the complain
about it. They're just going to suck it up.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Yeah, you're right, I will say I don't want to
say I want to commend Chief MacDonald and cheerful done
at this point, but I will say that I think
after the first day of rioting where Ice was assaulted,
I think they're trying to walk the tightrope. When Ice
calls for help backup because they're being assaulted, they do
show up now and they're doing their job, and so

(17:23):
I got to commend them for that because they're walking
a tightrope with these guys. They got zero support from
the city council, zerous court, from the Board of Supervisors.
The mayor doesn't support this. The only support it to
the point where well we have to do that otherwise
Trump's justification from bringing the National Guard is right. But
that's what you said, You're not going to turn your
back on any law enforcement officer that it's asking for

(17:44):
help and it's being assaulted. That's the clarity, right of
your response.

Speaker 7 (17:47):
Right, Well, you might have given them a passing grade
after the first day. I think they failed pretty miserably
the first three, particularly in Paramount, when everything started kicking off,
that set the table for the people that were the agitators, like, hey,
the sheriff'sren't.

Speaker 8 (18:02):
Going to do anything.

Speaker 7 (18:04):
I think that again, whether or not the board or
the city council are really happy with what you're doing.

Speaker 8 (18:12):
It's a law. You got to keep the peace.

Speaker 7 (18:14):
And if you know, I think initially they could have
been a lot more. I don't want to stay aggressive,
but they should have moved in more quickly and quilled
a lot of that. You know, what do you end
up with after that? You've got people throwing boulders off
the side of the freeway into the chippe's cars, right.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
Yes, you got them looting that was awful, looting.

Speaker 7 (18:38):
And burning and running around and screaming and all this stuff.
And you know, I'm sure people are just like, well,
somebody going to stop this or what? Well, the sheriff
and LPD chief need to look internally. They're the ones
that should.

Speaker 8 (18:53):
Have stepped up. They should have stopped it. They didn't.

Speaker 7 (18:56):
They set the table for what happened after that. And
you know, man, I'll tell you what if I take
public criticism for helping to quill that more quickly. That's
a hill I'm willing to die on.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
Well, you know what, I was yelling at my TV
as I watched them throwing the boulders and the pups
of concert at the CHP. Where the hell are the
you know who the you know? I was so angry.
But let's let's talk about what's the role of the
sheriff in that spot. You know. So he's elected official,
so he's an executive for policing, but he's also an
elected official and he should have an opinion and asserting

(19:27):
strongly and that this is not acceptable from day one
would have been the right thing to do. And I
felt that the Sheriff Luna missed an opportunity. And uh,
I don't think we would have that under Mike Forman.

Speaker 8 (19:39):
Right, Absolutely not you would have.

Speaker 7 (19:42):
I'm diametrically opposed to the pacifism route, you know, when
it comes to disturbances like that, because it can and
did get out of hand.

Speaker 8 (19:51):
It was it was pretty bad. I'm sure you said.

Speaker 7 (19:53):
One of those boulders, they threw it down and blew
out the windshield of the radio casts.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
I mean, you're lucky, said I want to put my
unif on my mic and go there and take charge.
See these old stars here do this. That's what I
wanted to do. That would not have happened had I
been the chief of that area.

Speaker 8 (20:09):
Somebody had to.

Speaker 7 (20:10):
And it's just like what happened with that Vice mayor
cuta hey when she started flapping her draws in the
wrong way, you know, la PPL jumps out and they
demand her resignation and people are, you know, offended. Well,
it happened in sheriff's patrolled area. And what have you
heard from the sheriff. Nothing crickets, there's cricket striping. I mean,

(20:34):
he needs to stand up for his people who would
be in the line of fire from the gang members
if in fact they got involved. And and he's just
I think he's risk adverse. I think he's afraid to
make a move that would loosen any kind of his
constituency what remains of that, frankly, And I think that

(20:55):
he is making decisions or not making decisions, based on
his belief about how it's going to play politically and
not how it's going to play out, you know, via
the law.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
Okay, we were both around in ninety two. You were
I know I was, and we watched the LAPD the
first parts of that that riode in ninety two. Their
response was wanting and that encouraged broader rioting. Now that
was my opinion, that's what I saw. I think that's
what the recap said. So being aggressive as the LAPL

(21:32):
LAPD chief or the la sheriff is important to contain
this kind of behavior, right.

Speaker 7 (21:38):
Yeah, I mean, and that happened just around the corner
from Lennox Station, and I was there at the time,
and I said, you know what, send two radio cars
with a couple of armtipanies there and that crowd would
have dispersed. I know that the watch commander at LAPD
had a different opinion, but look what it got him, right.
I think if you get there aggressively, they see you.

Speaker 8 (21:58):
You don't even have to do anything.

Speaker 7 (22:00):
I think they see a couple of radio cars show
up that have that star and the bear on it,
They're going to think twice, you know, because they understand
that the Sheriff's department takes care of business and protects
the public and keeps people safe. And you wouldn't have
had Darryl Gates chasing football around with that battering ram thing. Right, Yeah,
I mean you know what, I have a friend who

(22:22):
used to be on the department and he would go around.
His job was to go to other agencies throughout the country,
and when there was like a riotous situation things got
out of hand, he went and asked them you know
what happened, and every one of them to an agency
said we did not respond quickly enough.

Speaker 8 (22:40):
Yep, And that's the bottom line.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
Yep. Opens the door for more disruption. Okay, let's get
into mask here. So I had a second video. You know,
the crazy Sacramento is crazy too. They want to pass
a law to enforce a ban on masks for ice,
which is not unenforceable by state authority. So who's going
to enforce this stupid thing? So it's theater, but in reality,
if they were successful, all that would cause is docs again,

(23:05):
swatting of vice agents, which is unacceptable. Right.

Speaker 7 (23:08):
Well, it's just another kobookie dance, right. I mean, they're
they're they're doing this to make themselves look good to
whoever they believe their constituency is. But I think anybody
with an open mind is going to understand that there
are people out there these agitators. They're going to try
to find out who they are, where they live, where
their families live, you know, where the kids go to school,

(23:30):
and try to disrupt their lives. And you know anybody
that does that, I mean, they're it's just nonsensical.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
Rah, They're despicable. Hey, we're talking to Mike Borman who's
running for La County Sheriff. Go to his website www
dot Captain Mike Borman dot com. That's b O R
N M A N dot com and you can see
all of his flatform All right, Mike, So we talked
about the lead segment. Let's get into who is Mike
Borman and why is Mike Borman running for sheriff.

Speaker 7 (24:00):
Well, you know what, Mike Bornman was a thirty six
year member of the Sheriff's Department. I worked a bazillion
different assignments when I was on, and I'll tell you
just because I retired doesn't mean that I've taken my
eye off the ball, and it doesn't mean I've you know,
turned my back and my brothers and sisters in law enforcement.
I've been watching what's been going on with them for

(24:22):
the last few years, and it just I'll tell you
what it makes me so I can't sleep at night
when I see what they're going through. You know, they're
they're they're being maligned, they're belittled. They're working these you know,
triple double shifts all the time, no support from management,
morales and the toilet to tell you how bad that is.

(24:45):
You know, they're recently boycotted the Baker to Vegas run,
which every debting in his right mind wants to go there,
right because there's more than just running in Vegas.

Speaker 8 (24:54):
And you know, I.

Speaker 7 (24:55):
Think twenty out of the twenty five team said nope,
not this year. Not you don't, thank you very much, Sheriff.
And that speaks volumes and the things that are falling apart,
you know, like CCW permitting process that should take sixty
to ninety days is taking a year and a half.

Speaker 8 (25:11):
You know, wow.

Speaker 7 (25:13):
And I guarantee you that that is being slow walked
on purpose. I guarantee you this current sheriff is not
a supporter of the Second Amendment. And I guarantee you
that you know, the FEDS have gotten involved. Now they're
going to come in and look at it, and I
guarantee you they're going to find something in there. You know,
he can complain about, oh I don't have enough people there, Well, dude,

(25:33):
you have eighteen thousand people. Find two more, right, you know,
pick it up for a couple of months and you
can get that backlog taken care of. I know people
that were personally involved in that process, and they're like, what,
you know, what have I done wrong? Is there's am
I you know on a secret list? Right, don't get anything.
It's like, oh, a brother, it's only been a little
over a year. You know, you got to wait another
six months. But you know, it's just one failure after another,

(25:56):
one little thing missed after another, one more ignorant thing,
or one more lack of decision from this current sheriff.
Like I said, he's risk adverse. He doesn't want to
he don't he won't make decisions. And that's pretty standard
stuff you're hearing now. Everybody says he's a really nice guy.
You know, well, nice guy's finished last in law enforcement.

(26:17):
You know, he's proven time and again that he won't
make the tough decision. And you know, I can only
go on so many vacations and take so many naps,
you know, and play so much golf and have so
much fun before my moral outrage gets to the point
where I'm like, you know what, somebody's got to step up.

(26:37):
The department is at a tipping point, and I kind
of think it's actually gone just about to the point
where it's going to be irretrievable. Could you imagine four
more years of this same lackluster.

Speaker 8 (26:51):
Non committal.

Speaker 7 (26:54):
Just it's like he's just wandering around the snow, you know,
And this isn't a job where you can just pick
it up on OJT.

Speaker 8 (27:02):
You know, He's three years in and he's still lost.

Speaker 7 (27:05):
And I think a lot of that has to do
with he doesn't know the culture, he doesn't know our traditions.
He comes from a department that's got what ten percent
of what the Sheriff's Department has. I think he came
in over his head, and I think he is continuing
to be over his head. So I decided, you know what,
I've got the experience, I got the education, I got

(27:25):
the training, I got the drive, and I got the
ability to step in on day one and do the job.

Speaker 8 (27:31):
And That's what I'm going to do.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
Yeah, So that's kind of an inward focusing thing on
the department. But I think I got to challenge you
a little bit here. But by focusing inwards, you benefit
the community, right by proving the department because you know,
I did a show on traffic accidents. You know, we
had nearly a fifty percent reduction of traffic citations written
in the state of California from like twenty fourteen till

(27:56):
last year. I can't remember the exact years, but dramatic reduction.
But then you had forty increase in fatalities. So when
you say deputies don't feel supported, police officers don't feel supported,
they're not writing citations. It costs lives. So for Luna
being missing in action, so to speak, and not pushing

(28:17):
for more aggressive enforcement, whether it's traffic or criminal laws,
it costs lives. Right, that's really we're talking about inward focus,
but it translates to outward performance, right.

Speaker 7 (28:28):
Yeah, you can say that, but I would also, you know,
I would argue that those who have done their jobs
are the way they were trained.

Speaker 8 (28:37):
They turn around, they get in trouble anyway.

Speaker 7 (28:39):
Yeah, I know a lot of people on the department still,
I mean, you know, civilians, deputies right on up the
chain of command, almost to the top. And every one
of them are afraid. They're afraid they're going to lose
their job for doing their job. And one thing I
would point out is that, like, you know, you judge
everybody based on their training, and you hold them to

(29:00):
their training. Well, the department isn't even making state mandated
training right that. The post mandated training, I think right
now is in the sixty percentile.

Speaker 8 (29:11):
And it's like, how do you how do you continue
on like that? And how do you hold people accountable that?
You know what?

Speaker 7 (29:17):
Every cop out there, I love every one of them.
You know, they join up for the right reasons. They
want to do the Lord's work. They want to they
want to chase the bad guys. They want to keep
people safe, including their families and everybody else, people they
don't even know.

Speaker 8 (29:31):
And how inclined would you be to do that?

Speaker 7 (29:34):
If you get beaten half to death every time you
do something you know you don't if a deputy does
something just a little bit off, the weight of the.

Speaker 8 (29:43):
World comes down on them.

Speaker 7 (29:45):
But these deputies are doing a hell of a job
in my opinion, And it's crickets turping from the top,
you know, And.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
I think that's by design that they're they're crack, you know,
they go after their deputies. This is the Left is
have taken over oversight. Look, the person who is responsible
for the executive in charge of the Sheriff's civilian Oversight
Commission for six and a half years went on to
become the deputy mayor of Los Angeles and called in
a bomb thread and now is pleading guilty, you know,

(30:15):
and federal charges for a bomb threat on city Hall.
That's the caliber of people they got in charge of
the share oversight for law enforcement, both both LA City
and and and LA Sheriff. This is this is the
caliber of people they have in charge. People that are
willing to be dishonest. I mean, they just dropped the
charges against Diana Trant's another oversight you know, law enforcement
oversight person who stole the records and there's problem cause

(30:37):
to indicate that she had actually vided the law at
least in six cases, although who got some sympathetic liberal
panel up there in Sacramento to to squash that. They're
still looking at whether they're going to file that refile
those cases. But these are the people in charge of oversight,
and nobody, nobody ever asked questions about them. So how
would you how would you work with the Sheriff's Oversight Committee?

Speaker 7 (30:59):
Boy, I think that committee needs to be gutted, frankly
and start from scratch again. And I think the sheriff
should have an opportunity to at least have a voice
in there with a couple other people.

Speaker 8 (31:10):
But you want to.

Speaker 7 (31:11):
Talk about the COEC and what they've done recently, that
survey that they put out asking people who have had
negative experiences with deputy gang members in the street, you know, please,
you know, write in and tell us your experience. It's like, well,
how would you know that some deputy is stopped.

Speaker 8 (31:26):
And gave you a ticket? Is a deputy gang member?

Speaker 7 (31:29):
Do they say, Hey, I'm a deputy gang member and
I'm giving you this ticket. Well, you're going to get
You're going to get people that have a bone to
pick with law enforcement. They hate cops, they don't like
the deputies anyway. And I'm sure you're going to be
getting all kinds of just wonderful, blown up bes stories
about how these gangster deputies you know, you know, arrested

(31:49):
him when he was robin a liquor store and he
didn't like the way it went.

Speaker 8 (31:52):
Down.

Speaker 7 (31:53):
But the mentality behind that, it suggests, in fact that
they try to confirm that there are deputy gangs on
the department.

Speaker 8 (32:01):
That's a whole new issue that we could run into.

Speaker 7 (32:03):
Maybe not today, but yeah, you know, you know they're
basically self validating that there's this issue and there's a problem,
when in fact there may not be, and it's just
go ahead.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
Yeah, I read their stuff. It's pretty thin.

Speaker 8 (32:19):
You know.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
They had to embellish other areas to suggest it's a
bigger issue than it is. But I want to talk
about another issue that's very important on the Sheriff's department today.
We've had thirteen suicides recently on the Sheriff's partment. I
think that is a manifestation of a lack of support
by management, a lack of support by our political leaders.

(32:40):
I don't want to say the community, because when I
was working not that long ago, the community for the
most part was supportive. But these negative behaviors. I think
also that the staffing shortages are also contributing to this.
But let's rode the video regarding deputy suicides.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Families who have lost loved ones inside the men of
Central Jail held a rally this morning, demand the facility
be closed.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
Me and Central Jail needs to be closed down.

Speaker 9 (33:05):
It needs to be disbanded.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
The demonstrators say more than thirty people have died in
the men in Central Jail this year alone. They will
say they just want justice, one family member.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
It's every time we lose someone, it's like you're reliving
in it all over again.

Speaker 8 (33:23):
You feel their pain.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
You know what their parents do, They know what their
siblings and what their partners are experiencing.

Speaker 9 (33:33):
Sitting beside his wife, Eliza, retired LAS chief eli Vera,
says each new suicide in the department tears open the
wound they've been trying to heal.

Speaker 5 (33:44):
She has left the big hole in her family tall.

Speaker 9 (33:47):
Their daughter, thirty one year old Nicole Otis Santos, a
deputy with the La County Sheriff's Department, had been privately
suffering with depression. She died by suicide on June second,
twenty twenty three, just six months senter her marriage and
in her first trimester of pregnancy.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
It's a part of you, the part of me has died.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
True.

Speaker 5 (34:11):
I know there's more Nicholes, and I'm going to be
her voice.

Speaker 9 (34:17):
Eliza, a former detective with the same department is speaking
out after she and her husband Eli learned that.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
Yeah, so, I mean I know Eli. I think we
both know him, and that to me that you can
see the pain in his face losing his daughter. But
we've had about thirteen suicides over the last two years.
You talk about wellness, and of course if you're suffering,
you can text at nine eight eight in Canada or
the US for help if you're contemplating suicide. So you

(34:46):
talk about a wellness, the deputy wellness, which I think
is part of this talk about the deputy suicides. How
you would address the suicide, what's the failure right now?
And how would you address these? A few were a sheriff.

Speaker 7 (34:59):
Well, you know, I I will say that I understand
that the thirteen that we've had is a national record
relative to cops killing themselves. You know, the organization put
out a thing saying, oh, you know, it's a nationwide issue.

Speaker 8 (35:12):
Oh yeah, it might be maybe.

Speaker 7 (35:13):
They've got five or six, we've got thirteen. And you
know the question is when is enough enough? Well, one's enough,
And you know, I think that we need to look
at revamping employee sports services. I think we need more
embedded psychologists with the units. I think they need to
make it a little less difficult to get in to

(35:36):
see them, you know, because there's this onerous thing. You know,
Oh my god, if I go there, they're taking my
gun and and you know I won't be a cop anymore.
But you also were right when it comes down to
lack of support. You know, these these kids, and I
call them kids because I'm a lot older than they are.
I don't care how old they are, right, you know,
they are putting up with a lot cops. See, you

(35:56):
know a lot of bad things every day. You know,
for a career it spans twenty twenty five years. And
when when you don't have the support of your management
or your leadership, I think that's where part of the
problem begins. And you know, one of the things I
would do is I would let every one of them know.
It sounds corny, but every one of them is like

(36:17):
my kid. I want them to come to work okay.
I want them to work okay, and I want them
to go home okay. And you have to let them
know you give a crap about them and their careers
and their families. And you don't do that by continually
forcing them, you know, to work all these overtime shifts.
And we just had a kid driving home from you know,

(36:40):
the ranch up there. It fell asleep and got killed
in a car crash.

Speaker 8 (36:43):
You know it.

Speaker 7 (36:45):
Lack of sleep, Chronic lack of sleep is just like
being drunk, right, You've seen those studies, and you start
making poor decisions, you get high blood pressure, you you know,
you're you start having hard issues. And I do understand
that it cannot be attributed to some types of cancers
as well. And the department darn well knows this. They

(37:06):
know all of the things that I'm talking about, Yet
they continue to do it, and I think they're culpable
for what's going on. But you know, you're gonna have
people do these stages of burnout. People don't care. They
start having trouble at home because they're never home, and
you know, they get short fuses, they make bad decisions,
and we just need to take a step back and

(37:28):
get to the root of what's been going on with them.
But the first thing would be to let them know
I care, and our organization cares. And if there's someone
in a leadership position that makes it clear they don't care,
they're not going to be there anymore, you know.

Speaker 8 (37:41):
It just it has to be done.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
So that's just as simple as the sheriff of talking
about how much he cares and talk about talking about
the causal factors. Because here's the thing. I mean, I've
seen d Sheriff Luna say things, but he hasn't called
out the people that are causing the staffing shortage. He
hasn't called out uh the negative criticism towards law enforcement

(38:03):
forcefully uh and And he hasn't, you know, because that's
part of it. They don't have a boss that's doing that.
So it's it's one you could say, yeah, I care
about you, but I also I'm going to fight against
these forces who are dishonest uh and and characterizing men
and the men and women in law enforcement, and who
are undercutting the budget that are creating these the challenge

(38:23):
of these staffing challenges. Right. So it's it's a broader issue.
You have to have a shriff that's going to fight
for his people, right yep.

Speaker 7 (38:32):
Absolutely, you know I I I remember a case specifically,
or a deputy is relieved the duty behind a case
and it's an ongoing criminal the admin has been held
in the bands because of that. And you've got the
sheriff Elly County going in with with an activist group

(38:53):
up in the Lancaster area, having a hobnob with them
with their attorney who is suing, and he's telling these
people you don't have to worry about this deputy anymore.
He's no longer with the department. So they come out
after this meeting and they start crowing about the fact.

Speaker 8 (39:08):
Yeah we got this guy fired, bah blah blah.

Speaker 7 (39:11):
And I know the kid, so I called him. I go, hey,
were you fired and not tell me? Didn't tell me
about that? And he goes, what, it wasn't true. It
hadn't happened, and Fox had actually gone out and reported that,
And to their credit, when I advised them what was
going on, they told the story. But this just shows
you what is the sheriff of Ellie County doing talking

(39:32):
to plaintiffs, a plaintiff's attorney and talking about an ongoing
criminal or administrative case against an employee. He should have
been censured right there on the spot. But everybody's just like, whoops,
sorry about that, and he flits off and does something else.
You know, It's just I have seen him side with
the agitators. More than once, I've seen him not make

(39:55):
decisions on things he should have made decisions on, and
he's not going to change. I think it's just going
to get worse. And that's why we can't take another
four years or this.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
So okay, So I think there's a couple because I
know that that organization up there is canceled. The contract
up there, right, that's that's the crew and just for
just for the audience education. They're actually partially funded by
the California Endowment, which is a foundation that was supposed
to help people with health care issues and underserved areas.

(40:25):
But they're funding this anti police organization who's decided that
the police are a health care problem. And this is
the kind of check that a sheriff needs to do.
They need to look at this and say why is
this three point five billion dollar organization funding anti law
enforcement concerns. The other one is the Liberty Liberty Hill Group.
They get partially funded from government and they're using government

(40:48):
funds to agitate against law enforcement, and the sheriff should
be calling them out as well, which is driving me crazy.
So I'm hopeful if you're relucted Mike, hopefully you'll take
some of these groups on at least shine the light
on them.

Speaker 8 (41:00):
So you mean, wait, understand you mean whin I'm elected.
Let me tell you.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
I'm sorry. This is a little emotional here.

Speaker 7 (41:07):
So yeah, well, let's talk about cancel the contract for
a second.

Speaker 8 (41:10):
And the fact that he.

Speaker 7 (41:12):
Allows him to come into the station, he goes out
and he meets with him. My first question would be,
explain to me what the name of your organization means.
Cancel the contract. So you want to cancel the law
enforcement contract up in Lancaster area, right, Why would I
talk to you? I am diametric. I am completely opposed
to even the existence of your organization. What you're trying

(41:32):
to do there obviously is going to be no getting
through to you. There's going to be no compromise. You
want to cancel the contract. You know, Now, maybe if
your organization was, hey, let's rethink the contract, that's something else.
But I you know, I wouldn't give him the time
of day. I really would not, And I explain it
to him up front. I'd give him the time of
day one time and just say, you know what, if
that's your attitude, I'm over here. You're over there, and

(41:56):
you know.

Speaker 8 (41:57):
Don't com my myization anymore.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
Yeah, we're talking common sense with Captain Mike Borman, who's
running for like Kenny Sheriff. You can find him at www.
Dad Captain Mike Borman b O r N m A
N dot com. And I got one more really big
policy I got to talk to you about, Mike, And
let's roll with the the the video clip regarding Central
Jail closed Central Jail, I think it's when you started

(42:22):
with before, Amanda.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
Emilies who have lost loved ones inside the Men's Central
Jail held a rally this morning demanding the facility be
closed me and.

Speaker 6 (42:31):
Central Jail needs to be closed down.

Speaker 9 (42:33):
It needs to be disbanded.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
The demonstrators say more than thirty people have died in
the Men's Central Jail this year alone. The family say
they just want justice. One family member was told by
the jail that their uncle died of natural causes. However,
and autopsy showed some things that led them to believe
something else happened.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
If this is a natural cause, why does my uncle
have so many contusions on his shins, on the back
of his elbows, on his face.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
The protest was held Before this morning's La County Board
of Supervisors meeting, the demonstrators say they want the board
to set a twenty twenty five deadline to close Men's
Central Jail.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
All right, cool, right, so all right, I don't think
they should close Mentalcial Jail, but I needed to get
your opinion on what you think, Mike on this issue
and maybe we get into a little broader discussion about
the importance of bedspace in La County. So what do
you think about the concept of closing Men's Central Jail.

Speaker 7 (43:36):
I would like to see it ultimately closed, but I
think before you do that, you have to have another
facility to accommodate the people you're dehousing out of there.
You know, when I joined back in eighteen fifty, it
was already an old It was already an old jail.
It was it was bad, you know, it's that old
linear style jail. And I'm not a big fan of

(43:59):
CJ But I'm also not a big fan of releasing
thousands of people into the public that shouldn't be in
the public simply because you have to close the jail down.
What I honestly, what I do, I would work on
tearing down the old side and rehousing. You know, think
about who you've gotten there, right, You've got all of

(44:20):
the high power of people in there's probably like forty
to fifty of them at any one time, and you
don't want them coming to dinner, and you don't want
them being out on the street. I mean, these are
hardcore gangsters that have to have housing somewhere. I agree
that ultimately CJ needs to go, but I would not
let it go without a replacement. I know people are

(44:41):
talking about the board doesn't want to open a new jail,
Well that's fine, don't open a new jail, just replace
the one you're tearing down. It's right, it's even. It's
one for one and it would be a better, safer place.
You know, we've already got a couple of facilities that
are shuttered, right East Facility and Marilloma. And it's it's

(45:04):
tough enough trying to keep the people that need to
be in jail in there. When when I first started
at CJ, you know there are people in there in
for like petty crimes. Well well now there are hundreds
and hundreds of murder suspects in there who have replaced
all these petty crime people. They're gone. And you know
what you have to do is, if you're going to
keep cutting down the ability to house people, you're gonna

(45:26):
have to start cutting down who's there, right, You're going
to start chopping off these these high level misdemeanors. People
shouldn't be on the street anyway, and then you're gonna
have to decide which robber needs to go and which doesn't.
You know, it's it's I don't know where they're coming from.

Speaker 8 (45:40):
I know you do.

Speaker 7 (45:41):
Yeah, we know the leftist politics are trying to force
the county into was it care before a custodyer or
whatever it is. There are some people that you just
can't care for. There are people that were that will
cut your head off and eat cheerios out of your skull,
And you know what do you do with them? I'm
going to put them in a residential place over about

(46:02):
your house.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
You know.

Speaker 7 (46:03):
It's like, I don't think so. So I think it's
a broader discussion. Like you said, I think cooler heads
need to prevail and common sense needs to prevail. And
you know, let's put this way, Worse comes to worse.
If they're not going to replace it, then go in
there and do a full on rehab and do something
with that space where you could make it, you know, more,

(46:27):
a better constitutionally protected jail.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
Well, what I saw that Luna is now for a
new jail replacing in central jail. So that's the similar
position that Luna has. But my problem is it's not
a forceful thing because I believe that the policy makers,
I think we have poor jail abolitionists on the Board
of Supervisors right, they just don't want a new jail
and they believe in the care first jail's last model.

(46:52):
But there's no jail, so you can't have mit jail's
last because you won't have capacity. Eight percent of the
twelve thousand people who are currently in Cussy today are
in custoy for some kind of murder charge. Back when
we were still working, we had as high as eighteen
thousand inmates. Back when we started, we had a hiw
he as twenty two thousand inmates. And you get this

(47:14):
constant drumbeat that jails are overcrowded. Well, guess what, we're
down to twelve thousand people today, same bedspace that we
had five years ago. The ACLU said we were outcrieded
five years ago with eighteen thousand. Now we're down to
twelve and they're still saying we're overcrowded. If we have
one person in jail, the ACLU will say we're overcrowded,
so there's zero credibility. Robert Luna never challenges this stuff.

(47:39):
That's my frustration with the sheriff. We need a shareff
who's going to challenge the illogical nonsense that they put
out on a day to day basis. If we passed
Prop thirty six to get tough aro on criminals but
have no bedspace, we can't get tougher on criminal If
you get rid of George gass Going and replace them
with Nathan Hawkman, There's not a damn thing Nathan can do.
So Nathan and the shriff have to push the policies

(48:03):
of replacing men central Jail with a new jail. Do
you agree with that and what are your thoughts?

Speaker 8 (48:07):
Absolutely?

Speaker 7 (48:08):
I think that you know, as long as you let
you're listening to people who used to be on the
fringe right, left hand right, you know you're listening to
them and you're giving them a bigger voice. The people
in the middle, who usually don't speak up are the
ones that end up paying the price. And the one
independent on the Sheriff's department that's supposed to be up

(48:30):
there doing his job is Robert Luna, and he does
not he will not go against him. He won't say anything.
I remember when gascon Remember he was telling the family
of Ryan Clincomb Broomer, all, we're going to go for
the max where this guy's going down. He calls a
family over, does a press conference and undercuts them and

(48:50):
bush whacks them and ambushes them and tells them.

Speaker 8 (48:54):
Oh, you know, we can't get the death pendal. We're
not going to go for that. And what the sheriff do.

Speaker 7 (48:57):
He was sitting there whistling Dixie, had his hands in
his pockets and didn't say a thing. It was clear
that he already knew in advance what that decision was
going to be. The person that murdered Deputy Clinkinbroomer in
an ambush style fashion deserves the death penalty, period, and
to not do that sends a message to every cop.

Speaker 8 (49:17):
In the country.

Speaker 7 (49:18):
You know, we're just not going to go there. It's
just too it's too inconvenient. You know, we don't want
to hold somebody accountable to that degree.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
You know, had he just on that stage after gas
Going said he's not going to go for the death penalty,
had he just walked up to that can I speak
for a minute, walk up that platform, look directly at
gas Going and say I want you to pursue the
death penalty. In the merger of Ryan Clinklin Boomer, he
had won the support of the rank and file, but

(49:46):
he couldn't bring himself and the community and the community,
he couldn't bring himself to do that because the powerful elites,
the people with the money behind what's going on with
the Board of Supervisors, the Lea City Council, in the
mayor of the p people that put them in office,
he cannot bring himself to go against. And that's why
we need a new sheriff, Right, That's why we need

(50:07):
to shaff I.

Speaker 7 (50:07):
Remember, he is not going to go against somebody that
he described as his career long mentor.

Speaker 8 (50:14):
Right, George Gascone taught me everything.

Speaker 9 (50:17):
I know.

Speaker 7 (50:17):
Well, Okay, we saw how well that played out for George,
and I think that needs to play out for this
guy as well. He's to me, he's just playing with
the same leftist handbook that that George was. He won't
hold people accountable, he won't hold himself accountable, and he
needs to go.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
Yeah, he needs to go. I agree with you. I
mean it's crazy. When Gasconne was running, I think three
of the five county board supervisors endorsed him, and what
sixty five percent of Angelino's you know in the county
voted to get rid of gascon So we have a
political leadership that is out of step, and we have

(50:54):
a sheriff who doesn't recognize the shift and is not
embracing that shift as he should and as as he could,
but he's refusing to do that. I don't think Sheriff
Block the guy that we started under or you might
have started under Pitches, but I started under Block. I
don't think he'd have left that opportunity go. He'd have
jumped right in there with both feet.

Speaker 8 (51:14):
Absolutely, you know he was he knew what he was doing.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
Block.

Speaker 7 (51:19):
Very strategic man, you know, and he wasn't. Look, the
only thing the board holds over the sheriff's head when
I say hold over, the only thing he could they
can do is is fudge with your budget. Right, That's it.
They you know, they can't be telling him who to hire.
Is this under sheriff, which they did. They can't tell him,
you know, how to operate, which they do. My understanding

(51:40):
is it's like everybody was just really happy with the
way the riot got out of hand, you know, and
it's like, don't, don't, don't make too many arrested, don't
don't you know people are going to get upset. And
it's like, well, who's going to get upset the person
that's out there throwing the rocks and bottles? You know,
it's man, I'll tell you it's time for change. And
I understand that he thinks he's got at least four

(52:01):
of the board behind him.

Speaker 8 (52:02):
But like you said, how well did that work for George?

Speaker 1 (52:06):
Yeah, it didn't work very well. You know. It's harder
to tie Luna to George's failures though, because he doesn't
take an opinion either way.

Speaker 8 (52:14):
That's true, man, he.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
Just kind of he just kind of slips through in here.
But we got two minutes left, Mike, and I want
to give you a chance. If there's any issue that
we haven't really addressed that you want to get into,
this is your moment, This is the time.

Speaker 8 (52:25):
No, you know what, I actually feel pretty good.

Speaker 7 (52:27):
I think I I what I wanted to do is
I want to let people know who I am and
what I'm all about. And you know, if they vote
for me, they're going to get somebody who's going to
enforce the frickin law. It's not you know, there's there's
no penalty, there's there's no positive to it. You know,
it's not left, it's not right, it's not Democrat Republican.

(52:50):
People don't need a sheriff like that. They need a
sheriff who's going to enforce the law down the middle,
down the pipe all the time. And that's exactly what
I'm going to do. And yet I will stand up
to these folks that have been given a real big
microphone up until now, and that microphone needs to be
snapped out of their hands. And we need to just

(53:10):
start using common sense. I mean, common sense prevails.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
You got to use the bully pulpit, right, got to
use the bully pulpit. So go to www dot Mike
Captain Mike Borman dot com. You can also catch him
on Twitter at let's see what's your Twitter handle? Mike.

Speaker 8 (53:26):
Oh gosh, it's a Captain Mike Borman for Elikty.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
Sheriff Captain Mike Borman. Okay, all right, hey, thanks Mike
for joining me. I'm briefing with the chief. Next week.
We're going to have Oscar Martinez, another candidate for sheriff,
ask him some of the same questions, see how he
handles some of the dicey issues in Los Angeles. And
then I'm going to have Sheriff Swank from Pierce County, Washington,
who's pushing against the sanctuary city laws in their state.

(53:51):
He wants to work with ICE. They don't want to
work with ICE, and he's pushing against that. Thank you
for joining us on brief with the Chief. Mike, stick
around for a quick debrief. Amanda, you can take it away.