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record today, so I'll be traveling. I've been traveling a lot,
you know. I am retired. So one of my hobbies
is doing this podcast. The other hobby is traveling. So
I do some pre records. And I want to thank
Amanda for working through some technical stuff so that we
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can get this done today this morning and it'll broadcast
in the evening. So I appreciate all of her work.
But today, you know, we're going to talk about Judge
Hannah Dugan. Now, she's the Milwaukee, Wisconsin judge who basically
obstructed or impeded ice and hid somebody that they were
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looking for in the courthouse in a courthouse in Milwaukee. Now,
she was born in nineteen fifty nine. She's in Milwaukee
County Circuit Court judge. So she's a local judge. She's
a local judge with zero jurisdiction in federal matters. Right.
She went to Wisconsin Law School in nineteen eighty seven,
and she was first elected the bench in two thousand
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and sixteen. And it's important that we really talk about
who she is because I think that's a big driver
of her behavior, right, And so we got our bio here,
and it shows that she used to be the head
of the Catholic charities in southeast Wisconsin. Now now I'm Catholic,
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but and I'm familiar with the Catholic charities, and the
Catholic charities under the Biden administration actually started actually under
the Obama administration has given been given billions and billions
of dollars to settle migrants in this country, particularly under
under Joe Biden. And they provide specific services. They'll they'll
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provide legal services. So it's got there the slide up there,
you'll see it. They provide This is directly from Catholic
charities in Wisconsin. So they provide you know, green cards,
the work on getting you a green card, victims of
domestic violence, I work on that citizenship. And and they'll
abuse or abandoned children. So I mean all these children
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that come across the borders that doesn't have any place
to go, they'll do it. And they'll provide immigration legal services.
Now I took a look at the funding because the
funding is a big part of this. They've gotten billions,
billions from the Biden administration, and they filled up their
coffers and you can see this is just this is
just I think I did November just like I did before.
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Remember when I was looking at those EPA grants and
the billions going off the door, Well, I just kind
of did the same thing what went out the door.
And November first, when Joe Biden knew he lost, and
you can see what was at almost three hundred and
fifty million dollars to Catholic charities, and I think there's
archdioce of rosters, probably rosters in New York and Newark.
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So you can see hundreds of millions of dollars, tens
of millions of dollars going out the door just the
last two months of Joe Biden's administration. And when you
understand what's going on here. So they don't just give
them a bed and give them blankets and some food
and all that other stuff. They also provide legal services.
So the Biden administration was filling up the coffers of
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the charities, the Catholic charity so that they can then
fight for the migrants who Trump or whoever came in
with Trump, because it was pretty clear that people wanted
they wanted illegal immigrants deported. You know, it didn't matter
who ends up being there. They say it's Trump. Trump's
all bad. But you know what, if it had been
another Republican or moderate Democrat, they'd be doing the same thing.
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Maybe not to the scale, but they'd be doing the
same thing. And you know, just to point out Obama,
I think he deported five million people. So did Clinton,
and I think he was closer to nine and George
Bush did and nobody filed lawsuits against them. They didn't
have all these nonprofits loaded with money to fight every
step that they were doing in terms of deporting or
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stopping migrants from coming into our country. But that's happening,
and that is part of the mission of the Catholics charities.
That's part of their mission. And Judge Dugan used to
head Wisconsin Southeast Wisconsin Catholic Charities Down with the Cause.
She's a sister that is down with the cause. She
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believes in it. This is something that's part of her life,
part of her identity. You don't head an organization like
that and have an unbiased opinion on what is going
on in society today. And the question is did she
abuse her position because her ideological drive, her ideological views,
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her views on immigration, her expectations of the country in
terms of settling migrants. Did she abuse her position of
a judge to do all this stuff? I say that
she did. I say that she did. Let's roll with
the video so you guys can see this what she
actually did. They got some video that happened in the courthouse.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
It's that new video obtained by twelve News just today
is giving us our first look at the confrontation between
Milwaukee County judge and federal agents inside the county courthouse and.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Her actions that day, leading to her arrest and indictment,
and a story that it's now gone national. Judge Hannah
Dugan is accused of trying to help Eduardo Florida Ruiz
evade ice agents. He was scheduled to be in Dugan's
courtroom in a domestic violence case.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Some was Nick Buors live at the courthouse this afternoon. Nick,
We got that video in response to an open records
request today. County officials gave us quite a large file
late this morning, and we've been coming through that video
all day.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Well, we sure have, but for the first time we
see Judge Hannah Dugan up on the sixth floor here
interacting with those federal agents one month ago, and how
the wanted man left the courthouse with an agent trailing
behind him, and for the first time, how he was
arrested out front. Here for the first time, we're seeing
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Judge Hannah Dugan outside her courtroom April eighteenth, wearing her
black robes, appearing to confront several federal agents there to
arrest Eduardo Flores Ruiz, I am Milwaukee man and Mexican national,
charged locally with three counts of domestic battery. This video
released by Milwaukee how he threw an open records request.
He's part of the evidence in the case against Judge Dugan,
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who's charged with obstructing a federal investigation, concealing Flores Ruiz
allowing him to leave her courtroom by a different door
after sending the agents to speak to the chief Judge.
Flores Ruiz, dressed in black with his attorney. He's seen
in several of the videos leaving by that other door.
One prosecutor saint was used by jurors and not open
to the public as he leaves, though he is seen
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in the hallway followed by another agent as Flores Ruiz
gets into the elevator to leave, the agent slips in
as well. According to the criminal complaint against Dugan, that
agent followed them down The agent's seen here following out
of the building downstairs, and once back up arrived, they
tried to arrest Floores Ruiz, who another video shows ran
north in front of the courthouse for nearly a block
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before agents caught up with him and arrested him. Federal
agents arrested Dugan herself a week later, And Nick, it is.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Not often we get responses to open records requests this quickly,
or even when they're part of an open investigation, particularly
a federal investigation. Do you know why the county released
that video now?
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Well, that's unclear. We did ask, of course, and made
the request immediately when the incident happened here at the courthouse.
We did ask the US Attorney's office, which is prosecuting A. Dugan,
about that video release today, whether they signed off on
it or were even aware of it. They responded, though
with a no common.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Nick Boorr live outside the Milwaukee County Courthouse here this
afternoon at Wardo Flores Marie's's domestic violence cases moving through
the Milwaukee County Court. He is, however, in federal custody
on his immigration arrest. The FBI arrested Judge Dugan at
the county courthouse one week later, on April twenty fifth.
She pleaded not guilty in a federal court last week,
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Judge Dugen, your response, that's Dugan exiting the federal courthouse
after an arraignment last week. Or legal team filed a
motion to dismiss the case, calling an un constitutional and
saying that she is entitled to judicial immunity. A judge
set a tentative trial date for July twenty.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
First, well, thank you for Wisconsin twelve ABC for that
great recap of what's going on. And here's the deal,
judicial judicial immunity ball. This was this outside of her scope,
and we'll get into that. We'll get into that hopefully.
But well, first of all, I do want to do hey,
kudos to the federal agents involved. They smelled something rotten
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in Denmark when Judge Dougan was doing her stuff, and
one of these guys hung back just in case, and
they got their man. It was Eduardo flora Is Ruiz,
So good job for them, and and and we're going
to get into the the the indictment, and we're going
to get into the criminal complaint because I think it's
the actual criminal claim. It's just kind of funny because
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I think she did all this stuff, and she did
it and in such such an overway and in a
stupid way. I mean, any got, any any season criminal
would have recognized. Okay, this is not a good idea
to do this, but not judge, not an ideologically driven
judge who worked for the Catholic charities and police. We
need to settle all the migrants, no matter what, no
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matter what, right and and protects a wife beater because
think about that. The guy's going through going through local
the local court because he's accused of beating his wife
and she helps him. This is crazy. Okay, So let's
let's set up the indictment here. So this is you know,
I do got the indictment here. I'm gonna read it.
There's two charges and this this occurred, let's see, occurred
on about April eighteenth, twenty twenty five, in the state
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in the Eastern District of Wisconsin. Hannah, they don't use
judge Hannah c do again knowingly concealed Flores ruiz a
person for who was arrested on a warrant and process
that had been issued under the provision of the Law
of the United States as to prevent the discovery and
a rest of Luiz Flores Luiz after notice and acknowledgment
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of the fact that a warrant and process had been
issued for his apprehension. This is a violation of Title
eighteen US Code, Section ten seventy one. So that's the
first charge, right, She's got two charges, so they hide
them right and on the same date, she did corruptly
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because it is corrupt endeavor to influence, obstruct, impede that
do and proper administrative law under which the pending proceeding
was being held before the Department and the agency of
the United States, namely the administrative arrest of Flora Luiz
for the purpose of removal proceedings conducted by the United
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States Department of Homeland Security. So she's interfering with a
federal officer here, and that's what this charges by committing
affirmative acts. And we're going to go over those affirmative
acts to assist Flora's Ruiz to evade arrest, including confronting
members of the United States ICE Immigration and Customer Services.
She did that. You saw it in the video. She
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confronted them, and you know you're gonna find out in
complaint that she was angry with them, angry with them, right,
And of course she's wearing her who superhero judge cape
so that she can so she can save all the
immigrants in the courthouse. Right. So that's what she's doing
to effectuate, to avoid the effect the arrest of Flora's
Luise upon learning that they had an administrative warrant UH
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directing all identity identified members of Ice task Force to
the to the to the Chief Judge's office. So go
there and talk to the chief judge. You can't do
this without talking to him. Again, that's not true. That's
not true at all. But you know she's got a
little Superman cape on her. I'm gonna save every every
illegal immigrant. You know, we're gonna protect them off from
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the evil ICE guys. Addressing Floras Luis Milwaukee County Circuit
geard criminal case off the record. So she took the
case off the record so that she expedite this guy
getting out. And we're going to go over that and
directing Floora's Louise and his council to exit the courtroom
through a non public jury door, so she cancels his
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his criminal case for domestic violence so that she can
effectuate his escape from federal officers through a private door
that they don't have access to. They don't federal authorities
do not have access to private areas of the courtroom.
And advising flora'suis council that the Floras uiz could appear
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by zoom. So now she's actually gonna ensure that if
we're going to deal with the case, we're gonna deal
with a zoom. So this can't ever happen again. So
they can't use the courthouse to take people to jail
and get rest warrants on them. This this crosses the boundary,
in my opinion, of the responsibilities of a judge and
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clearly violates the law. And they're right to arrest her
and put her in jail. And it's outrageous that she
would she she would take the time. This is you know,
most of the women are go into politics, you know,
they hey, domestic vinds is a serious issue for them.
For her to ignore the fact that he's a domestic
abuser because of Zim's great immigration status is outrageous. But
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that's what's happening. All of our sanctuary cities. You know, rapists,
child molesters, all of these sanctuary cities protect them, and
so does Judge Dugan, so does Judge Jugen. She thinks
it's you know, I'd rather protect them than prosecute them,
you know. And if I do prosecute him, I'm going
to do it over zoom so the federal officers can't
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get to him. If I got to take him in cussy,
I guess I got to send the police to his
house after we do our zoom meeting so that we
can get them. I mean, when do you actually bring
them to court to place the hooks on him? If
he says, okay, well you're gonna plea, you're going to
do ten years? But she would she probably would plea
bargain it down right, I mean, this is what is
going on. How long could she get if convicted? I
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don't know. I personally think, you know, we talked to
we did the mcgiver case, right, they died at the
congresswoman and the US attorney in Newark, New Jersey, based
upon the reporting, asked mcgiver to come in and mcgiver
later said, imported, Well, they wanted me to make a
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statement that I was wrong and apologize kind of thing.
And I'm assuming had she gone in and talked to
the US attorney and then acknowledged that she made mistakes
and she crossed boundaries and did all that stuff, that
she wouldn't even have been prosecuted. The wouldn't have indted her.
And I suspect had this judge acknowledged her wrongdoing, you know,
and take a plea that she'd just get a slap
on a wrist, she'll probably be off the bench. But
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she's going to fight it, and she's going to fight
it using the concept of judicial immunity. And keep in
mind she's in a blue state and a blue city,
and her likelihood of getting a sympathetic jury or at
least some members of the jury that are sympathetic, is high.
But this is a pretty damning case. This is a
pretty damning case. And I got the criminal complaint here,
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and I think the criminal complaint is pretty funny, you know,
just because it's just it's it's like the judge who
couldn't actually commit a strong you know, this is a
person sitting on the bench in twenty sixteen, and she
couldn't figure out how to commit a crime, right, so
I guess she only hears he's the losers out of
the court, right, so she she doesn't have the skill
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sets necessary to actually violate the law because she got caught,
or we just got some really good federal agents who,
like I said, they smelled something rotten in Denmark and
they kept some folks out there so they can catch
this guy. But you know, she would have been toased
no matter what whether they caught this guy or not,
because all of the evidence was there. Her actions were
clearly biased and a violation of the law. But listen,
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we're gonna we're gonna go over the criminal complaint too.
And the criminal complaint I think we got to pick there,
you know. So I'm reading this rate from the United
States District Court, the Eastern District of Wisconsin, And if
you want also, you have to when you're looking up
cases for the district court, you just go to that
district court and many times they'll have newsworthy cases. So
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this one was right up front there. In fact, it
was the only newsworthy case that they don't got a
lot going on in Wisconsin. I guess I was looking
for a case in La. I think it was their
Central Tis. Oh my god. There's pages after pages of
newsworthy cases. But that's the difference between I guess LA
and Milwaukee. Let's see, I got a question. I think
that's why Joe pardon Jill a nurse that didn't know
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about his cancer.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Eh.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
You know, that's another story that we're getting into. It
is interesting what is going on. It's not rest relatively
a crime relate or law enforcement ladyship. But I haven't
except for those pardons who signed off on those partons,
was it really Joe Biden? You know, we're talking about
the fact he was sick and somebody had the auto
pen and you know, I have to tell you, you know,
I when I look at all those pardons and I
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look at the policies implemented under the Biden administration. Now,
you know, I've been I'm kind of a student of politics,
but watching it for a long time, I don't think
Joe Biden would have done everything that was done because
his legacy is toast and he's a narcissist. His legacy
is important to him. So I think the people behind
the scenes, you know, they were doing a lot of
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things that he, if he was you know, critically thinking
and of right mind, would not have done. I just
really believe that the whole immigration policy, all of those pardons,
I mean I read some of those partons. We talked
about him on air, crazy crazy stuff. I might have
to go back and visit that one and just look
at all the people he pardoned and asked the question.
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But anyways, this complaint was written by Lindsay Scholmaier, a
special agent in the FBI. And you know, the task
force that went to that courthouse was filled with ICE agents,
the agents and an FBI agent. So the Trump administration
has pulled all of their federal law enforcement and focused
them on this migrant problem and focus on specifically on
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criminal migrants. It's just why Flores Ruiz was a target
because he was he was in court for a criminal
violation domestic violence, and so they found them and then
went to get them. But here's what So Lindsay being
a sworn officer in the FBI, she gives her background. Basically,
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she's been working for the FBI since twenty fourteen, and
she's done a lot of different cases. She's worked a
lot of different areas, and she worked mostly white the
white collar crime squad that investigates public corruption. This is
public corruption, so this is right up her alley. So
she's got a decade or a little more than a
decade of experience with the FBI. As she's writing this
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criminal complaint, and she and her partners have interviewed these guys,
the agents that were there and all the other witnesses,
and they put forward this criminal complaint. So it says
I based on the affiance. So the FI and is
a person has knowledge, so they talk to different people.
She's basically the case agent or she's talking to the
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case agent, and that she's writing the criminal complaint, and
it is in court is it is determined that if
you're a police officer is getting other information from another
police officer, that all that is considered reliable at least
for the criminal complaint process. So she's talking all the
witnesses and she summarizes it and puts puts the elements
of the crime into this criminal complaint for the arrest.
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And I make this affidavit to support the criminal complaint charging.
Hannah C. Dougan born in nineteen fifty nine with obstructing,
impeding a process and processing before a department or agency
of the United States in violation of Title eighteen US
Code Section fifteen oh five, and two concealing an individual
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to prevent his discovery and arrest in violation of Title
eighteen USC Code Section ten seventy one. So those are
the two charges. We talked about it in the indictment, right.
So she's writing this this affiance, so I believe she's
the defiant, is intended to show half a David has
intended to show that that showed merely that there was
probable cause for a requested criminal complaint and does not
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set forth my complete knowledge regarding the matter. So problem
causes their sufficient evidence to indicate that a person who's
committed to crime and the person that we have in
custody is the person who committed that crime, and she
does lay that out in her in her Affidavid background.
I am aware of a review of public records in
March eighteenth, twenty and twenty five that Flora's Ruiz Flora's
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Ruiz born in nineteen ninety four was charged in Milwaukee
County Circuit Course case number, and they give the case
number with three charges of domestic battery, abuse, affliction of
physical pain or injury. So he didn't just you know,
a light tap. He caused pain and injury in the
cours of scope of batter and his wife for a
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living girl friend, whoever she was. Agents from the United
States Department of Home so they did a records check.
Who's going to court? You know? Are they people we're interested?
Are they people we want to deport? So the agents
of the United States Department of Homeland Security, Immigration, Customer Services,
Enforcement and Removal Operations that's a long name identified Louis
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as an individual that not was not lawfully in the
United States. Review of his records as alien registration file
indicates that Flores a native and citizen of Mexico and
that Floressuis had been issued a this is this is
an I eight sixty notice order to expedite removal by
the United States Border Patrol in January sixteenth, twenty thirteen.
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So he's been he's been playing the system since twenty
three deaths over ten years that he's been playing around.
And there's no evidence that DH indicates that Flores we
sought to obtain permission to return the United States. So
he was told to leave and he wanted to get
You should get permission to get back. He did not
follow any laws related to our immigration process. He just
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ignored it. Thumb just knows. You know, hey, if somebody
beats his wife, you know, what's an immigration violation? No
big deal, right, And the Milwaukee Ice folks determined that
through biometrics, fingerprints, comparison, and the fingerprints of the individual
charge in the Milwaukee CA. So they looked at his
fingerprints that had a file they get better to the
Milwaukee case. Yeah, that's our man. Let's get rid of him, right,
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that's what they want to do. They want to get
rid of this guy. He's a criminal alien and that
beats women. We want him out of our country. Good thing, right,
that's what we want. But I guess not, Judge Dugan. So,
on April seventeenth and twenty twenty five, an authorized immigration
official found Proba cost to believe that Flores Luiz was
removal from the United States and issued a warrant for
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his arrest. So this is a administrative warrant. Remember immigration
courts are all administrative administrative courts, right they but he
gets a warrant, he does what you're supposed to do.
You are commanded to arrest and take in to custody.
This is to the officers from the the immigration judge
taken the custody for removal proceeding under the immigration nationalization
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sack the above named individual, Floori's routines. Upon his arrest.
Floor's routine would be given a notice of intent to
reinstate prior order. So you know he's going to get told, hey,
you either you either got to appeal immediately or we're
going to deport you. Right, I mean, that's pretty much
what they're doing. So Milwaukee Ice was aware that on
April eighteen, Flora's release was scheduled to go to court
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on this criminal case, and the circuit court judge for
his case is Hannah See Dugan. Judge Hannes See Dugan.
The you know this is the immigrant superhero judge. Right,
she puts your cape on. We're going to save all
the wife beaters who are happy to be immigrants. We're
gonna put all the white beaters are not immigrant in prison,
but we're going to save all the other wife beaters
who have to be immigrants were and get them out
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of here, right, I mean that's that's the hypocrisy of
this is, you know, you're going to be treated as
a citizen much worse than Flora's. If you beat your
wife or your husband, right, they're going to prosecute you,
But she's gonna let you out if you're an immigrant.
You get that. I mean, you know all the people
that are coming to her defense, I just got to
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ask that question. You know, what about somebody who's facing
prosecution for domestic violence who's not Do they get to
get out? Do they get to do a zoom call?
I mean, do they get bail? I mean what I mean?
What about them? How do they treat it differently? Well,
of course they are, of course they are. I mean,
she's ideologue, she's down for the cause, right, so they're
aware that she they had this criminal case. Let's see,
I am aware that the law enforcement routinely executes search
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warts and makes the rest in public areas of building
in Milwaukee County Courthouse. Right. So this is an agent
saying that the reasons for this include not only the
fact that law enforcement knows the location at which the
wanted individual should be located, but also the fact that
wanted an individual would have entered and gone through a
security checkpoint and thus be unarmed, minimizing the risk to
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the end of it, to the public and to law enforcement.
And we saw the judge only expanded the risk by
letting him out and he runs down the street. You know,
agents could get hurt, he could have got hurt. You know,
people could have got hurt. So I mean, shame on
this judge. She wants to be a superhero, but all
she did was make it much more dangerous for everybody involved,
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So shame on her. As such, the Milwaukee Ice Task
Force developed a plan to arrest Flooris Weeds in a
public area, which is all they had the authority to do.
Arrest them in the public area with the administrative warrant
in the courthouse six fifteen, following a scheduled criminal appearance
before Judge Do Again, I amn't aware that two prior
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arrests in the public area. So now they're explaining their
relationship that these this ice removal team has with the courthouse,
which is important. It's important because it shows the attitude
of the people at the courthouse. I am aware of
prior arrest of public areas of Milwaukee Courthouse complex of
individuals who were now not lawfully present in the United
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States had received public attention, and both incidents involved individuals
who had been charged with criminal offenses but who were
not in custody and appearing for scheduled hearings in their
criminal cases. I am also aware the pursuant to its policies,
which had been made known as the court to courtouse officials,
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the Milwaukee Ice Task Force was focusing resources at apprehending
individuals who are making appearances at those criminal cases and
not arresting victims. So they made a deal, We're going
to come to the court. We're only going after the
people who are facing criminal charges who happen to also
be here illegally. But you know what, won't we won't
check to see if the victim, the witnesses, or anybody
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else appearing on that case is illegal. We'll just go
after the bad guy. We'll go with the bad guy.
And apparently that isn't good enough for judge doing. And
I think this is amazing to me. So I was
reading this going what and this is a lot of
this stuff isn't coming out. That's why I wanted to
read this. So you know just how ideologically driven this judges.
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She's she's a lunatic. She's a lunatic. And the publicity
of these arrests in the courthouse, I mean, they have
legitimate warrants, they're arresting really bad guys, and they got
to negotiate with the court. Okay, well we'll we'll. We'll
only go after the criminals. We won't go after anybody else,
even if they're in the public. We won't go after
anybody else. We won't disrupt your courthouse as you prosecute
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these cases. She will, dug and will, but we won't
as the Ice agents will. Six members of the Milwaukee
Ice Task Force planned to take part in the arrest
of Flora's release. That's a lot of people. And this
thick about this. If we didn't have sanctuary city policies
and these guys were in jail, you just go to
the courthouse with two or to the jail, or to
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the courthouse with two guys, and and take kussy of
them from the bailiff or from the deputies or from
the police station. Now we've got to use six playing
cones officers just to make one apprehension because of sanctuary
city policies. It's crazy, right, so six members of this
ICE task force plan to take part in the arrest
of Floor's wheeze on April eighteenth. This included ICE agents,
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deportation officers, custom officers, FBI agents, and folks from the DEA.
So you know they're coming together a's task force. That's cool.
I like to see that the agents are generally dressed
in playing clothes, so they don't want to be disrupted,
not coming as a tactical team. They're just in playing clothes.
They try to fit in, right, so it's not it's
not a big deal. And remember everybody goes through a checkpoint,
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so everybody's unarmed, So okay, there's no reason to have
a tactical team, right. And by coming in planes both
you're you're not disruptive. Right. You just look at cops
who are making arrest outside of the court the courtroom,
in a public area, which happens. I've made arrests in
public hallways in a courthouse. Some of these cases have
been dismissed. They can walk out of the courthouse. I
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re arrest them on the same case or arrest them
on another case. So it is, it happens. But I'm
a local cop. I'm not a you know, I wasn't
a nice cop, right, So judges were okay with that.
Judges were okay with that. That's not a problem, right, Okay.
So at uh, let's see where did I leave off theirs?
So they so all these all these different agenties come
together to do this at approximately eight am, and this
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goes pretty quick. It's like twenty two minutes from beginning
to end. And this stuff. On April eighteenth, the deport
this team, the deportiation officer arrived in the Milwaukee courthouse
and he presented his identification to security. So they have
this whole process now after these high profile arrests. He
defended it and they demanded not only to see his identificate,
but is bad right, So they're you know, we got
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to see it all. We got to see it all,
you know, And so they do it. You know, hey,
they present it to the to the courthouse security staff,
and basically this curity says, well, you know, we got
to talk to our supervisor. Right. They don't really you know,
if this was just a cop come from somewhere somewhere
else to make an arrest, they wouldn't be talking to anybody.
They say, oh, yeah, go ahead, go through. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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let us know. You know, they might make a notification
of this artency. Yeah, there's some cops here. They're probably
gonna make a rush out there, but you know, it'll
be fine. But with these guys, they got to talk
to the supervisor, and the supervisor has to come and
talk to them. It's this is crazy. They discussed, they
discuss the details of the plans, and I'm not I'm
not really too bent out of shape about this. I
just think it's a lot of process for these guys
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to do their job, and it's really about, for lack
of a better better phrase, all these guys covering their
ass so they can later say, well, we knew and
we didn't participate. This is this is all about politics locally,
That's what this is about, right. The sergeant was, yeah,
they notified me. I notified my boss. If there's some
big hooplab, then the sheriff already knows, oh yeah, they
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were there, and so that he has is his statements
ready for the media, and all the politicians have their
statements and they can wring their hands and say how
terrible it is that we're saving You know, they took
a wife beater in jail. They're going to deport a
wife beat How terrible is that? I mean, this is crazy.
And they discussed the details of the plan with the supervisor.
The sergeant asked if there's any arrest wait and wait,
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So they ask them, hey, can you wait till after
she's finished her hearing gets finished her hearing, and they say, yeah,
you know, so here we got, we got the the
Feds who are being very accommodating. Oh, yeah, we'll work
with you. Yeah, well, that's fine. They can finish the case,
you know, because they can take them to jail at
any as soon as it walks in, they can take
them to jail. Remember, you know, they we have a
let's say what it's called in the constitution. I'm losing
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the term now. It's it's where the Feds have authority
over it. They have authority over locals, meaning locals can't
interfere with them, but they have a supremacy clauses the
supremacy cause of the constitution the Feds have you know,
they can take them to jail for what they want, right, supremacy, right,
you know. So, but they they're they're all being nice. Hey,
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you know we'll do this, we'll do that. We'll be accommodating.
We don't have to, but we will because we want
to work with you guys. We want to have a
good relationship with you guys, and we don't want anybody
to get in trouble locally for us doing our job.
So we don't want to. We don't want to. We
don't want to put you guys at a bad spot.
So that's a good thing, right. The other members of
the REST team were already present on the sixth floor,
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So some of the guys had already snuck through their
the security ship point and they were already there, right,
And they arrived outside the courthouse or the courtroom six fifteen.
The FBI agents were there. So this is the FBI agents,
not even just Ice guys. These are FBI agents, right,
And you know, I know there's been a lot of
drama on the FBI, and said, I'm pretty frustrated with
the FBI agents and what they did with the JA sixers,
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But I always had a good relationship with those guys,
and they always tried to work with us when they could, right,
and that's what they're doing here. They agreed the REST
would take place a floor us. After his court appearance,
the agents then left the courtroom, and so they were
in the courtroom and they sat outside the courthouse. Case
agents have interviewed the court deputy present in court sixteen
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at this six fifteen on April eighteenth, who corroborated above
the all above information. The courtroom deputy had opened up
the door to the courtroom and a actually eight fifteen,
So this is pretty quick, right, this is going pretty
quick and reported the individuals beget checking in. So what
happens is they put a list on the door and
it shows the docket for the morning, and then everybody
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checks in, and the judge and everybody looks at well,
who's there, witnesses, victims, whatever, who's there, and they start
knocking out the cases for the morning. Sometimes some witnesses
come late, attorneys come late, and they'll take one case
over another case. And so that's what they're doing. They're
organizing their morning rights. That's what happened. That's typical and
local criminal courthouses everywhere right, been through that and saw
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that many times. The court deputy they opened the classroom.
The courtroom deputy then received the list of angels appearing
for the day, and the courtroom deputy checked and defendants, well,
the attorneys checked in. So the attorneys check in, the
defendant check in, the cops check in if they're interviewing witnesses,
and all those folks check in. The courtroom deputy explained
that approximately eight fifteen FBA agents advised that they were
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working with Ice and they were planning to rest floor
as Regen Ruis the courtroom debut, but he asked the
agents to wait outside the courtroom, which they did. Again,
they're accommodating us. We're doing the right thing. And these
are FBI agents, d agents and ICE agents right. The
courtroom deputy told the case agent that after the FBI
after Ice arrest in the courthouse early in the month,
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So so this happened earlier. The shift sergeant has bailists
to alert supervisors for the Milwaukee County Sheriff's Department. So
remember now, I remember if the chain of clan has
got to know this, because the media gets everybody gets
their panties and a bunch on this stuff. So everybody's
got to know. So they got to make the notifications,
and the FED are going, okay, you don't make your
notifications that's fine, but we'll be outside. We'll we'll work
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with you, right, and so everybody's notified the arrest. Team
members report that while waiting outside the courtroom, a woman
approached that took pictures of them. She'd say, so, let's
take a pictures. This is this is despicable in my mind.
The D agent, a D agent who was conspicuously seated
away from the group. So here's our hero, probably stayed
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away from the group, was not photographed. The individual taking
the photographs the agents had been identified by multiple witnesses
as an attorney employed by the state Wisconsin Public Defender's Office.
So all these people are down with the cause. That's
that's all of them are down with the cause, and
they're they're harassing. I see this as harassment. They're out
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there taking pictures. She knows why they're there, and she's
doing the Well, these guys are undercover. I'm gonna get
all their pictures. You know, could you imagine if you
started posting these pictures, doxing these pictures. But it indicates
the craziness that these people are. You know, that's going
on and here in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. The team members deserve
flores Mars arrive. So he arrives. He arrives at eight
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forty five. So they're going pretty quick here, right, And
he was greeted by his attorney and the two enter
of the courtroom. Right, So they go to the court room.
Judge Jugan learns of ICE agents' presence and confronts members
of the ICE team. So now she learns that they're there. Now,
they're already, they already got their panties, a bunch of
previous arrests. They don't like it. They make the federal
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agents jump through all these hoops just to make a
legitimate arrest. But she's mad, she's mad. How dare they
come back to my courthouse then? Right? The witnesses have
described Judge Dugan's response of learning Ice presence, for example,
the courtroom deputy, and I love these, the courtroom deputy.
I'm going to tell you why a little bit. But
the courtroom deputy indicated that when Flora's arrived, Judge Dugan
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already was on the bench and conducting business. So she's
doing her job. She just needed to keep doing her job.
Unrelated to Flora's release, The courtroom deputy observed Attorney A
this is the crazy public defender's taking pictures, right, Attorney A.
Let's see enter and approach Judge Dougan's clerk. So she
goes and talks to the clerk. Oh, there's a bunch
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of ice agents out there, and I got pictures on me.
I can't believe this, right, Attorney A stated that there
appeared to be ice agents in the hallway. Attorney A
told the clerk where the agents were seated and what
they were wearing. None of her damn business, but she's
doing it. The courtroom a deputy reported that the clerk
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then got up and talked to the judge. So it
was the clerk. So the public defender talks to the clerk,
clerks at the judge and superhero Judge Dugan, who wants
to save every wife beating immigrant, goes off. She's mad, right,
So the courtroom reported that the kirk got up and
imported the judge and she became visibly upset. Commented the
situation was absurd. Absurd right Well there, you know what
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is absurd is you refuse to do the hearing on
a wife beater and work to get him out. That's absurd.
This is what I don't get about people. In these
judges and this person, this judge, she didn't see the
foolishness of her actions. She didn't see how she it
was the wrong headedness. She was driven by ideology because
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she worked for Catholic cherry. She's helping immigrants settle and
she believes in that and giving them legal services, believes
in all that. Right, But she's going to use her
position to give legal advice and services for this guy,
and that's going to get her. It's going to get
her arrested. Right, So this is absurd. Left the bench
and editor chambers and at that time Flora's UIs was
seated in the gallery. So he's in the gallery, right.
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The gallery is the chairs that so you got chairs,
you got a rail, and then you got the the
well area where the judge is and the witnesses going,
and then you got the jury box. So he's seating
in the in the public seating area at the gallery
in the courthouse. That's what that is, right. And another individual,
Attorney B is working as an assistant district attorney. So
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the DA's there and he's he's he's he gives a
statement of practically eight criminal cases, including Florie's, were scheduled
for pre trial hearing, so plumari hearing. You know this is,
you know, basically the same thing as their problem cost
to indicate that this person that a crime occurred in
this committed person committed the crime. And in Flora's case
domestic violence. Attorney B was aware that the victims for
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the case, so the comes and witnesses for his case
were there. There was no reason this case couldn't go.
They were ready. You want the victims, the witnesses, the
police officers, and the suspect and his attorney there, the
case can go. There's no reason to suspend stop the
case at all. Thirty eight years of law enforcement judges.
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Everybody's happy when people show up and they can move
a case forward, But not Judge Dougan because that might
interfere with her ideologically driven need to save this wife beater, right,
So he says, hey, they're all there. Members of the
arrest team reported the following events that Judge Dugan learned
of their presence, left the bench and Judge Dugan had
Judge a there's another j you saw it in the video.
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There was two judges that actually approached these guys and
approaching the members of the rest team and the public hallway.
Judge A courtroom is located adjacent to Judge Dugan, so
she went and talk to her friend. Oh my god,
can you believe the ice ages are here. They want
to arrest this wife beater. We can't let that happen.
I can't imagine that conversation. So witnesses NIF formally report
that Judge Dougan is visibly upset and confronted the officers
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in an angry demeanor. Multiple officers. So this is just
one person's opinion. It's multiple person's opinion. It's also the
opinion of the deputy in the courtroom, the DA in
the courtroom. This is These are all great, solid witnesses.
That's why I think Judge Dugan is toast here. Judge
Dugan asked the deportation officer if he had a judicial warrant,
and the deportion said, no, I have an administrative warrant.
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Judge Dugan stated that the deportation officer he needed a
judicial warrant, and the deportion said, no, I don't need
to do a judicial warrant to make this arrest in
a public area. I only need administrative warrant. So she's
trying to intimidate him with the law, and she's wrong.
She knows she's wrong. She knows exactly what she's doing, right,
she's trying to intimidate. So Judge Jugan then demanded that
they go see the chief Judge Grub wasn't even in
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the building. We find out here, right, and this is
this is get him away from here so I can
get this guy out of here. That's what she's doing.
Judge Jugen orders them to report, so she says, tells
them to go, and she goes confront some other ones
down the hallway and tells them to go as well.
Judge then escorts members of the arrest team away from
So she's a judge A this is the second judge
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away from Courthouse six fifteen down the hallway. So she
is culpable. She's lucky she's not charged. The judge a
here and towards the double doors where the chief judges
and he's not there, so they end up having to
talk to him on the phone and he says, well,
I got to work it out with you guys, so
we get this done, right, Hey, we don't have to
do they don't have to do shit. They've already worked
it out with you. They'ved very comedy. You need to
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work with them, is really what's going on here. And
so Judge Jugan appears usibly a set and quickly walking away.
So they've moved the guys away, and she's still upset. Right,
and as she as the agents entered the Chief Judge
vegetable area at court Debby's this is court deputy. So
Judge Jugan walks south through the hallway and entered the
locked the locked door near courtroom six fifteen. She he's
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familiar with that door, the floor pan. He knows that
the sixth floor of the courthouse. And he believed that
Judge Jugan entered an area that is a non public
hall way from which she could assess access to courtroom
and chambers. D agent be remained in the hallway. There's
our hero who remains in the hallway. And once inside
of the Chief Judge office, they have a conversation with
the Chief Judge and he wrings his hands over what
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they're doing, says, we need to get a policy together
and how to do this right. They're doing everything right.
The courthouse people are doing things wrong. The judge indicated
that the hallways are public areas, and yeah, the chief judge, Yeah,
the hallways are propaty area. You can do what you
want there. That's that's true, right, So the chief Judge
is confirming it, and Dugan knew that right so well,
the deportation officers were speaking to the Chief Judge, da agent,
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the guy sitting in the hallways, these other guys in
the hallway, and they departed. They went to the area
to see to try and get Flora's whiz again. Right.
Judge Dugan's courtroom deputy then approached. So the deputy approaches
them and says, hey, you need to get back to
the courthouse. Basically, Judge dugens is is about, you know,
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basically interfering with them. The courtroom deputy also made a
comment that Judge Dugan was pushing the Flora's case through,
meaning so she's suspending it, pushing it so they can
get it through. And it's so good for the deputy. Man,
I love that. And Judge Dugan is attempting to expedite
his hearing. Judge Dugan escorts Flora's rees through the jury
door to avoid his arrest. Multiple witnesses have described the
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observation after Judge Sugar returned to the courtroom as directing
members of the rest team to judge so that she
can do all this stuff. And so she did the stuff.
The courtroom deputy believed the council and the clerk we're
having an off the record conversation to pick up the
next court date. So they're like, let's suspend it, we'll
put it and we'll put you on zoom. That's what
she's doing, right. The court deputy then saw Judge Dugan
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get up and hurt. Judge Dugan say something, wait, come here,
and despite having been advised of the administrative warrant of
the arrest for Flora's release, Judge Dugan then escorted Flora's
Reese and his council through the jury door. He was
now sitting in the jury area. She calls him over
and they go out, right, that's what's going on. So
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that those are the big things. And it's great because
one of the witnesses, yees. She looks both ways, are
they still there? She doesn't realize there's one still in
the hallway, right, and so she takes them to an area,
to another bank of elevators. Now she's back in the
public area, but away from where the team was at.
And but the agent sees them and then he follows them,
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and you see that in the video. He follows me,
he gets on the elevator, follows him outside and he says, hey, uh,
they're trying to get they're trying to sneak him out
of here. We need and we got a victim's witness coordinator.
She's the same thing and lays it all out. I
gotta hurry up because I want to make one more conversation.
So so this is this is the essence of this
h this complaint, Judge Dougan, this is toast. I mean,
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think of the witnesses, cops. I love the court deputy.
I love the court deputy. Thank you, deputy. I don't
know your name, but thank you. I'm sure he's going
to take some guff here. But so she did this.
She did this, and clearly she did it. And now
she's claiming she's claiming a concept of judicial immunity. I said,
tell me when I got too is left, Amanda. So
judicial immunity protects the judges from civil lawsuits and criminal
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charges for actions taken in the official capacity, ensuring judicial
independence and preventing undue influence on their decisions. This immunity
is a core principle of the legal system, allowing judges,
even superhero judges. You know, we allow them, give them,
give them judicial immunity when they're doing the right thing.
But when they're doing the wrong thing, they could be prosecuted, right,
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and the judge without act so they can act impartially
and without fear of personal consequences. The judicial immunity is
a legal doctrine that shields judges from liability and judicial action.
Is a form of sovereign immunity, protecting judges from lawsuits
and criminal charges arising from the judicial duties. The purpose
is to ensure that judicial independence, allowing judges to make
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decisions free of fear and personal consequences. Duh, duh. Okay,
but here's the thing. She's not a federal judge, has
no jurisdiction in federal authorities, right, and in federal and
federal law none. So the question is, so, here's here's
the limitations. Here are the limitations judicial authority. Right, the
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limitations So let's see, okay, limitations not absolute. Well, judicial
immunity is broad, it is not absolute. Judges can be
held liable if they act in a clear absence of
their jurisdiction. So I just said she's a local judge.
This is a federal issue. So this is outside her jurisdiction, right,
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she doesn't have say in federal charges. There they got
a legal warrant to arrest them in public areas. She
could deny their ability to come into the private areas
of the courtroom. Now, it's my understanding, it is the
chief judge that has sets the rules for the courthouse.
She might control what goes on her courtroom, but it's
the chief judge that sets the rules. So I don't
even think she has think her area of control over
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the courthouse is actually pretty limited because it's a chief judge.
As we said, go talk to the chief judge, you know,
go talk to the chief judge. Our superhero immigrant protecting
judge Dougan said, to distract them and get them out
of there. And so she's out of her jurisdiction. The
judge can still be prosecuted for criminax even if they're
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related to their jugitial duties. So even if she thinks
she could do this, even if she thinks she could
do this, she could still be prosecuted, you know, because
actually she's wrong, right, you know, just because you were
a judge and you did this and you thought you
could do it, you're wrong. You committed a crim lact, right,
So I mean that happens. That happens, right. Judges can
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be disciplined for violations of ethical standards, even if those
violations occurred during the course and scope of their duties.
Now we had whatever the kitty judge of Pennsylvania. They
were sentencing kids to private prison and getting kickbacks up there.
Judges can commit crimes, Judges can do things wrong, and
judges can be prosecuted. I was reading a case getting
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ready for the show about a judge in an equity court,
which is a family court. There was some dispute over property.
Instead of trying to solve that in the courtroom through
hearings and depositions and interrogatories and all the things you
have to do, she said, we're going to go to
the house and see what he's got there. And one
of the parties was the man denied entry to the judge,
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and she said, we're going to rest you if you
don't let us in forced away in seized property, seized
property that wasn't even part of the settlement. And I
remember reading this case a couple of years ago just
because I thought, Wow, this is kind of an outrageous case.
And they went after the bailiff and those folks who
did not for qualified immunity because I'm gonna do a
show on qualified immunity shoot soon. And they went out
and he asked for qualified immunity and that was rejected
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because he operated outside the scope of his duties. But
they were still playing around with the judge. Does the
judge have judicial immunity in that case? And the judge
did not. I just read a data on the case
getting ready for this show that the judge judge operated
outside of her of her judicial authority and she lost
her judicial immunity. So that guy was suing civilly, everybody involved,
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and that judge lost her her her her immunity because
she operates operated outside of the scope of her authority,
and it was a gross, gross violation of that guy's
constitutional rights. She didn't have the authority. So so when
we look at Judge Dougan, Judge Dukan, she operated outside
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of the scope of her authority, uh and and worked
to protect this guy Flora's Flora's ruiz who is a
wife beater. Now here. Here's the thing about her job
is prosecuting local stuff. You're gonna get, you know, burglaries, robberies,
domestic of violence, you're gonna get you know, you know,
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simple assaults, so you're gonna you're gonna get uh, you know,
serious sault, so you might you might even get a homicide.
Sometimes they they might have two levels of courthouses. I'm
not sure if they do that in Minnesota. Here they
merged municipal and spirit courts, so everybody gets everything right.
So you might get homicide cases, you're gonna get criminal cases.
And it's about, you know, balancing the right of the
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of the victims and keeping the community safe, putting bad
guys in jail. That's what it's about. That's that's and
they got to make sure everybody follows the rules and
everything's right. That's what the judge is supposed to do.
So here this judge ignored her obligation to ensure that
the victim got justice in this domestic violence case, that
this guy was properly prosecuted with according to the constitution,
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according to the laws in the state of Minnesota, and
she ignored that responsibility and obligation because she's got this
ideological bent towards helping migrants even if their wife beaters.
You know, it's curious does she have any restraint for
any kind of criminal alien? Is a homicide guy? How
about a out luster? I mean, are you are you
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going to are you going to support ice to get
rid of some of these serious crops? So I think
somebody who beats their wife also is engaged in other
violent behavior. Right, if you're gonna sock up your wife,
you're going to get in a bar fight, right, You're
going to you know, you think violence is the answer.
And this is an opportunity to take him off the streets,
and there's also an opportunity to get him out of
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the country instead of thinking of the public will and
the public good because voters voted for this. Instead of
thinking of public will and the public good, what she
did was think about herself, her own ideological beliefs, and
she needs to be prosecuted for that. So, hey, I
hope you enjoyed this. I mean, I I was shocked
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when I went through this thing and how stupid this
judge was. And she deserves to be prosecuted. And it
was kind of fun reading it because I you know,
when she looked, looked, looked out for the cops to
see if they were there, just like any other lookout
at any other crime. I thought that was pretty funny.
And kudos to the depth who told the federal officers, Hey,
the judge is trying to sneak when past you go
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get that bad guy because he doesn't want wife beaters
in his community. He doesn't want criminals in his community.
Apparently the judge does, and so she needs to be
prosecuted for that. Hey, thank you for joining me here
on briefing with the chief. I just want to remind
you I got some pretty good shows coming up in June.
I want to make sure that you're tuning in. I
have Jennifer Shamanski coming from cleet as the College Consolidated
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Law Enforcement Association of Texas. We are going to talk
about what they're doing to him in those Soros funded
DA's in Houston, Austin and San Antonio and Texas, because
they've got some down there and they're taking actions to
hem those guys in and I want to have her
back and talk about it. And we're going to also
do a show on qualified immunity coming up, so stay tuned.
Watch Briefing with the Chief every Wednesday at five pm
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Eastern Standard Time. And I hope you guys have a
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