October 29, 2025 • 55 mins
John Bolton, a former Ambassador to the United Nations and a former National Security Advisor to Donald Trump, was indicted for the mishandling of classified documents. Bolton has long served the United States and possessed to Top Security Clearance for decades. He was well aware of the importance of properly handling classified material. He has been critical of other senior officials and politicians, including President Trump, in their cavalier attitude towards sensitive information.
Ambassador Bolton has been highly critical of President Trump after he left the Trump’s first Administration. Media reports regarding the indictment, suggest the indictment of Bolton is political. I will go over the Department of Justice’s Indictment of Ambassador Bolton. You can decide, is this prosecution political or proper.
Ambassador Bolton has been highly critical of President Trump after he left the Trump’s first Administration. Media reports regarding the indictment, suggest the indictment of Bolton is political. I will go over the Department of Justice’s Indictment of Ambassador Bolton. You can decide, is this prosecution political or proper.
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don't think I've explained that. So in Hollywood they would
make they used to make movies with film right, and
once it was all done, it would go in the
can right for editing. So we gets in the can
where that's where that's saying came from. So now you
learn a little bit about Hollywood. I'm not born and
raised Alley would, but I lived here for forty plus years,
so you pick up a little bit of the lingo here.
But today's show, I'm going to go over the Michael
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Bolton indictment. It's one of the things that has bothered
me about Bolton's indictment, the mishandling or the alleged mis
handling of intelligence documents by Trump, even at Mari Lago,
by Biden, you know, putting material in his garage next
to his corvette, the fact that Pence had some material
Hillary Clinton's private server in which she put sensitive material
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over a private server for whatever her reasons are. And
hopefully we'll get a chance to get into why she
did what she did. But what bothers me is the
cavalier attitude that people in the most senior levels of
our government take with sensitive materials, you know, sensitive materials.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
I had a.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Security clearance for a while when I was the chief
of the La Metro. I was went into a call
skiff and we'll get into that hopefully in the show,
where you can share information and it's it's not going
to leak out and only certain people can hear it.
You can't take any listening devices in. You can just
take some notes, but even then you got to be
careful what notes you take. And it's so you're under
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all these obligations when you get a security clearance, and
certainly his was a top security clearance and had nothing
like mine. Mine was just a garden variety one, you know,
and then you get it can share intelligence with you.
And then for me, it was it gave me an
idea of how I could deal with protecting critical instructure
in Los Angeles because I was the chief of the
La Metro, that's transportation system. But I also partnered with
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freight rail and trucking, and we coordinated with LAX so
the airports in the area and the ports in the area,
which are all really big important national infrastructures, you know,
and most people don't know it, but the imports that
come to the United State has come through the LA
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and Long Beach Ports a very important piece of critical infrastructure.
So you know, intelligence is very important and keeping intelligence
secure is very important, which is why I think going
over the indictment of John Bolton is very important. And
it's not really a Republican or a Democratic issue. That's
how it's getting characterized. Trump's going after his political enemies.
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But when you read the indictment, you understand that John Bolton,
who should have known better, didn't live up to expectations
and now he's being prosecuted for And we'll get into
his criticized and criticism of others, including Trump, and yet
he did exactly the same thing. But before we do that,
Before we do that, I want to talk about what's
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going on in Portland. Now. I think we got a video.
Let's roll with the video, and then I'll explain why
it's important.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
A long running encampment outside of an immigration customs and
enforcement facility in Portland has been taken down by police
and a man was arrested after a journalist was assaulted
near the facility. Entity correspondent Jason Blair is in Portland. Now,
good evening, Jason. What is the current situation after the
encampment got taken down.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Hey, Tiffany.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Yeah, So this has been a long running encamp in
some form or another for about four or five months now,
right across the street from the ice facility in Portland, Oregon.
And the police did come by last night to make
them take it down. And here I do have a
clip actually of what the current state of the encampment
is just moments ago when I took it. You can
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see that there's a small canopy backup already, and so
a lot of the stuff is still strung out on
the sidewalk. However, I do have footage of it from
last night, as you can see when they were taking
it down. When the police arrived, there were a lot
of tents up, and like I said, this had been
going on for about four or five and the main
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reason the police wanted to take it down is they
need to keep the sidewalk open so people can use it.
And a police sergeant said last night that they are
going to be coming into the area more often to
get more strict with enforcing laws in this area. For quote,
the next couple of days, and this includes cracking down
on public drinking, disorderly conduct, and jaywalking. And he said
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if someone is blocking traffic that it will be disorderly
conduct in the second degree and someone can actually go
to jail for that.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Which.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Blocking traffic has been an ongoing issue with the facility.
Cars are constantly driving in and people are spilling over
in the sidewalk, and I think this encampment was contributing
to that quite a bit. The encampment was also kind
of a source of lots of fights sometimes people, especially
when some of the pro ized supporters would try to
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walk through that area, there would often be a confrontation,
leading to sometimes a physical altercation with injuries.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Back to you and Jason, I understand that an arrest
was made after a journalist was assaulted. What can you
tell us about that?
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Yeah, t if me.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Unfortunately, this kind of thing is not too uncommon. A
journalist named cam Higbee was said that he was assaulted
and also his phone was stolen and smashed while he
was filming in the area. He's often at the Ice
facility filming and reporting on this situation. He says that
he regularly gets death threats when he's out doing this,
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and this isn't the first time that he's been attacked.
But a gentleman was arrested related to this assault and
he was taken into custody by the Portland Police. And
just to give you another example of kind of the
things that have happened here, another journalist said that just
the other day she was eating in a restaurant with
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some of her with some of her friends and one
of the protesters regularly at the ice facility recognized them
and started live streaming them by sat next to them
at the table, started live streaming their private conversation. Eventually
this person was asked to leave the hotel. But this
is just some of the interesting things that have gone
on in the area involving journalists.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Back to you, all right, Jason, thanks for that and
stay safe out there.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Well, I appreciate the report from the news guys there,
but some of the protesters that's Antifa, that's Antifa. That
the gentleman who was arrested, that's Antifa. Antifa assaulted news
reported the journalist. That is a typical tactic of Antifa
is the assault journal So they call the themselves anti fascists,
but they assault journalists because here's what they don't want.
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They don't want the truth to get out. So by
assaulting journalists, whether they're non aligned journalists meaning just mainstream
journalists or aligned conservative, whatever they are are, they're just
trying to build up their YouTube page. As they report news,
they get assaulted by Antifa because Antifa wishes to present
a certain picture. And you know, and and these politicians
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go along with it, right, Well, these they're just anti fascists.
No they're not, they're anarchists. In fact, I saw a
news report today and they talked about what was going
on in Portland, and instead of saying it was Antifa
who did it, they said anarchists. Because here's the deal.
They don't want they use the They don't want to
tie protesters to Antifa and say that they're one and
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the same, right, they don't want to do that. What
they want to talk about is legitimate protests. They don't
want to characterize them as Antifa because Antifa, now, even
though they change their name from anarchists to antifa to
make themselves a little more palatable, it's becoming unpalatable to
associate yourself with Antifa. But I want to talk about
what is going on in Portland. If you remember what
went on in the Los Angeles when I started doing
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their raids there, right is, all these people came out
and started protesting and assaulting ICE, and our political leaders
started talking about how we had to resist, how we
had to suppress them, and Trump sent in the National Guard.
Then our political leaders were ringing their hand. Answer, you're
militarizing our city. This is And I made some comments,
not only on my show but other shows. I said,
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as soon as Trump sends in the National Guard, and
they keep saying they're not needed, we got it. It's
under control. But journalists are out there showing the violence.
The local leaders will be forced to do something because
even though the city city of LA tried to characterize
it as just happening in a very small, dense area
near the Federal enclavement. When I say the federal enclave,
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I mean the Federal courthouse and ICE facilities and whatnot
in downtown LA. There were still some communities that were
in those areas that were impacted by those protests as well.
But they're trying to say it's no big deal. We've
got to contain, we got to control. But the media
would go down there and see the violence every single night.
It was shown at nauseum on TV as they assaulted
local police, including the CHP. And so when Mayor Bass
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and Gavin Newsom says the National Guard isn't needed, we
don't need it here, and yet you see the violence
every single night on TV when they say, we have
it under control, we can handle it, we have sufficient resources,
we don't need the National Guard. And with the court
and sued and did everything they did, they lost credibility
because the violence still continued and the media was showing it,
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YouTubers were showing it. It was fairly obvious the level
of violence that was occurring. So as the chief of
the LAPD said, yeah, it's getting out of hand, it's
getting out of he couldn't lie. He wouldn't lie because
that isn't him. That's not Jim McDonald. It may not
have been always a fan of everything he does, but
I do believe Jim McDonald is an honest guy and
he was trying to tell the truth the way the
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best he could. He says, it's getting out of hand,
and you know what, then he and the Sheriff's Department
and HP, the lap of the Sheriff Apartment's CGP were
allowed to do their jobs and clear out the protesters,
meaning the rioters, the violence and the violent the protesters,
the Antifa folks, and they were able to take some
of those folks to jail, and Nathan Hawkman, the DA
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here was able to prosecute them. Bill A. Saley, the
US acting US Attorney, he was able to some of
those folks. But it quieted down. And why do you
think it quite it down? Because it didn't serve didn't
serve la very well. It didn't serve the leaders here
very well, particularly in you know, in the shadow of
the Palisades fire, in the Canyon fire, where the credibility
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and the confidence of local leaders was at an all
time low. Right, they couldn't keep saying, well, there's no violence,
it's not a problem that shown on the news. We
got it under control when it clearly wasn't under control.
And the thing about it, what Trump did was fantastic
because he sent the troops in anyways, and they were
forced to do their job. They were forced to stem
the violence. I'm confident because this was all a network
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of leftist organizations that they told him knock it off
and they knocked it off, but Portland kicked off around
that time as well, and so did Cook County, Illinois,
just outside of Chicago where they have a detention Philly.
They have these protests going, and Governor Pritzker in Illinois
and the governor in Portland, and the mayor in Portland,
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and the marriage Chicago. They continued to feed the fire.
They continue to say, we have to resist ice, we
have to protect our community, we have to do all
these things. Even as violence around these ICE facilities was
getting out of control, they denied the violence. They denied
that antifing existed, They denied all of this stuff. And
Trump just said, well, I'm going to send in the
National Guard, and what happened. Let me talk about what
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is actually going on here. Okay, So under the Biden administration,
they've flooded many of the Blue states with a lot
of migrants. And they did that for a reason. They're
doing it because they wanted them here for the twenty
thirty census. A lot of people are leaving Blue states
because of the policies. You know, I've talked about it
before my show. We've seen a flood of people leaving California,
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particularly Middle class people, families that are making two hundred
thousand year Clarmont McKenna and the university has done a
study on this. I listened to a professor to talk
about this. He said, they're leaving in droves and they're
not getting replaced. What that means is is California was
looking at losing three House seats, but also three electoral seats.
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They count on California to be their base in presidential
elections because I think it's fifty three or fifty four
electoral votes. Well, they're slated to lose three or four.
That's big because many of our elections are decided by
just a handful of electoral votes. The same thing is
happening in Illinois. The same thing has happened in New
York and many of our other major cities. So you
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saw the Democratic Party flood those states with migrants for
a reason, in preparation for that census. And then they
passed sanctuary city or sanctuary state policies where nobody could
work with Ice. Right, nobody could work with Ice. So
then Trump is elected, he decides he overturns all of
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Biden's stuff, He shuts down the border, he gets rid
of all the crazy nonsense that Biden was doing, and
then he starts targeting criminal aliens. Now, in the past,
many of these sanctuary states, Illinois, California, Massachusetts, New York State,
they all worked with Obama. When Obama, when it was
politically expedient for the Democratic Party to deport people. Obama
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deported two point seven million people using the very same
laws that Trump is trying to use. And these states Illinois, California,
New York, Massachusetts all worked all worked with the Obama
administration to do those deportations because they were all run
by Democrats, and the Democrats were all supporting the National
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Democrats and it was within their it was within their
political it was politically expedient for them to support those policies.
So they supported Obama and they deported people. Now, the
strategy was obviously to flood these states and by passing
the sanctuary city or if it's sanctuary state laws, that
prevented any administration after that from doing anything right, So
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this is their game plan. Now Trump comes in and
he wants to enforce the laws, the very same laws
that Obama enforced that even to some group Biden supported enforced.
Clinton enforced these states won't allow the federal government and
or they won't even work with the federal government to
deport anybody because it's in their best interests to have
migrants in their states. Because when they do the census,
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it counts everybody in the state, not just voters, not
just citizens, everybody in the state. So if you flooded
your state with five million migrants, like they're saying in California,
then you get clout because of that. And here's the
thing about it. Think about it from an equal protection situation.
Right for other states. Let's say you're Iowa, smaller state,
not as many people in California, and the Democrats and
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you and your Republican and California, they and the Democratic
floods all these blue states with people so that they
can get more electoral votes. Think about that. So you,
as a voter and a resident in Iowa or pick
another state, Montana, your vote is diluted by this corrupt
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scheme that they got going on. You don't get the
same weight and vote. A voter in California because you
got five million illegals gets more weight And what is
going on in Washington, d c. With their vote than
you do because they flooded their state with illegal migrants,
and they protected and prevented ICE from removing them. So
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this is politically expedient for them to do this. So
and of course then they follow up California, even in Massachusetts,
New York, Portland, or Oregon and Illinois. We got to
resist ICE, right, and you see that happening in LA.
They figured out it wasn't politically expeding for them, and
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they knocked it off and the troops left. Portland for
five months was creating havoc and violence outside of a
n ICE facility in their city. The leaders were supporting it,
they were documenting everything ICE did because of course they're
going to sue them. And then Trump says, well, I'm
going to send in the National Guard. And they've been
resisting them, and Trump's been winning, and eventually the national
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Guard was going to come. And just a few days ago,
I think let's roll with the clip. I think Portland,
Portland cleaned up. Let's let's go our way. Just do
that clip. Okay, So Portland cleaned it up. But why
did they clean it up. They cleaned it up because
they didn't want the National Guard there. Here's here's the
one thing that I want everybody to understand. So they
have they have called UH, ICE and federal officers because
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it isn't just ICE. It's the FBI helping. It's the UH,
it's the UH, it's the Federal marshals helping. Federal marshals
just getting a shooting the other day, taking a violent
migrant into custody. They're all helping. So it isn't just
ICE that ur Gestapo is the Nazis. It's all these
federal officers. And here's what doesn't work. What doesn't work
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is the nine year old kid who's in the National
Guard who's been deployed to protect an ice building being
called the Nazi and gestape will buy some some some
some thugs who went to college, got their degree and
are marching around pretending to be social justice warriors. And
this nineteen year old kid who couldn't afford to go
to college right away joined the National Guard to hope
to get the VI bill. So are you gonna start
calling him a Nazi at Gestapo because he's following orders?
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That's exactly what these people don't want, because think about it,
who's in the National Guard right just the average Joe's
getting another check in, maybe getting some military benefits, but
you know, so they can go back to college. I mean,
I look good. Look what the JD Vance did. He
went in the Marines for four years so he can
have his college paid for. That's who goes into the military.
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And what would it look like to have all those
young men and women who go in the military to
support the community have a bunch of rich, you know,
a bunch of middle class thugs who went to college
mom and dad's dying or took out some loans and
refused to pay them back, called themselves Antifa, you know,
and running around calling them Nazis and and Gestapo.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
How would that look, Well, would look pretty bad.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
I really think that's why Portland's backing off, because they
haven't backed off in over two years when it comes
to Antifa, they haven't taken aggressive and finally they disbanded
and took down all of their encampment. So I think
that's finally. I think Trump's doing exactly what he needs
to do with that. He needs to just keep rolling
the dice with these guys and forcing them to take
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really bad positions politically, because that is a bad position.
How does that look on TV? If you got a
bunch of college educated knuckleheads marching around calling a bunch
of people in uniform, young men and women in uniform
who are just serving their countries nasty names, well that
wouldn't look very good, right How many more people will
leave the Democratic Party when you see that? A lot more?
Speaker 5 (20:39):
So?
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Anyways, good job to Trump. I think he's winning that
PR battle and I think the polls show it. And
I think he just needs to keep doubling down and
forcing those guys to do stupid things, which is exactly
what they're doing. So good job Portland PD finally stepped
up and cleared it out. Haven't I haven't liked what
I've seen out of Portland PD, but they did clear
it out. They did what they had had to do,
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and it seems like the Portland leaguers they want to
stay in charge, so they got to figure out, well,
how do we oppose Trump without looking like knuckleheads. That's
gonna be hard for them to do because it just
like I said, they just keep doubling down on stupid.
I think Trump got one over on them, and so
good for good for Trump by threatening the set in
the National Guard. But now we want to get into
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John Bolton. He was indicted. Now he's a former national
security advisor. Let's let's let's roll with the first video
on the series.
Speaker 6 (21:28):
We have breaking news right here on CNN from our
Kitlin pol Lands, who has been reporting on the possible
indictment of John Bolton, the former national security advisor for
President Trump in his first term. Kaitlyn, what do we
know Casey.
Speaker 7 (21:40):
John Bolton, the former national security advisor to Donald Trump,
a longtime federal government official, has been indicted by a
grand jury. We are learning that through two different sources
from our producer Hannah Rabinowitz at the Justice Department, and
we have confirmed that the jury grand jury was in
today with the lead prosecutor on that case, the same
prosecutor who had been on some of the documents of
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the search of Bolton's house just two months ago or
not even two months ago, a prosecutor who also has
some experience in investigating these sorts of things. He was
a prosecutor that was also working on the Biden classified
documents handling investigation that led to no charges. But in
this situation, the bulk of this case, it's been going
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on for several years, and our understanding is that it's
about John Bolton's use of an email account with aol
An email account where he was writing diary like notes
and summaries of his time as National Security Advisor to
himself at times even sending them to his wife and daughter.
And that is the sort of thing that the Justice
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Department does say frequently, not just in the climate of
a Trump administration, that that's something that you should not do.
We have seen many charges like this before of other
high ranking officials, and that also with John Bolton in
those warrants. And what we're very likely to see in
court going forward is that the Just Department saying.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
He should have known better. Casey Caitlin, can you take
us through here the timeline of investigations into John Bolton
and just what we know and don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Yeah, it's perplexing to me that John Bolton, the former
National Security Advisor, former ambassador to the United Nations, would
do what he's alleged to have done. But he did it.
And it's also perplexing to me is why these folks
who have these security clearances, who signed these non disclosure agreements,
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who engage who said that they you know, they raise
their hand and said they're going to do all the
right things to get their securities. Because I had a
securities clearance, I had to commit to certain behaviors and
actions and not leak information. Now I wasn't. Most of
the stuff I got was you know, sensitive information. It
wasn't top secret. But they're dealing with the most most
important secrets that our nation has on a day to
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day basis. So let me explain what a national security
advisor is because I think, you know, some of this
is decoding it for the public. You know, what does
this mean? You know, I don't know. So the National
Security Advisor assists the president in managing the National Security Council.
So National Security Council has many people on it I'll
get in a minute. And National Security Council has has
available to it all of the latest up to date
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intel where it came from, sources and methods that it's
used to gather it to make decisions. So it includes
integrated and intelligence that is integrated from the domestic, foreign,
and military, you know, policies related to the national security
of the United States. So he helps a devise the
policy for the president. He helps to shape that for
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the president consistent with the direction of the president. So
the president, you know, he's going to give his broad direction.
If this is where I want to go, here are
the things. So if you look at the Trump administration,
he wanted to play hardball with Hamas. Right, national security
advisors are going to come with a strategy where they
meet our national interest. Well at the same time, they're
crafting a path forward to bring peace in the area. Right,
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So they got to work with Israelis, I gotta work
with the moss I, got to work with other people
in the area, and they use intelligence to try and
figure out where these folks really are at because publicly
people will say one thing, but behind closed doors they
may be there might be other interests going on. That's
where the intelligence comes in. And you know, you have
challenges as you gather it because nobody wants you to
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know their secrets, and you need to know their secrets so.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
You can get advantage.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Right, That's what this is all about, right, And so
and then having somebody who can help craft a direction
forward based upon the president's policy as a national security
advisor as he brings the National Security Council together, is
a very key figure. And it because a very powerful figure.
And this was started in the nineteen forties. I think
it was nineteen forty seven. So the people that are
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on the National Security Council, the members of the National
Security Council are generally they include the President obviously, the
Vice President, the Secretary of State, the Secretary of Defense,
the Secretary of Energy and Secretary of Treasury, and the
Directed Director of the Office of Pandemic Preparedness and Response Policy,
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and then anybody else that's seems necessarily the latest guy
in the pandemic guy that seems like probably a new addition.
But if you think about it, depending on what the
intel comes in, you may have to bring in other
secretaries from the cabinet, depending on what is going on,
just so that they can hear the intelligence and give
you let's say it's they're going to threaten transportation, for example.
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Let's say they're going to threaten transit. So you might
bring in a Secretary Duffy into the National Security Council
for a limited basis, give them the intel and then
maybe get some some strategies or some his thoughts on
how he might want to protect our critical instry like transportation,
whether freight rail, trucking, buses, whatever it is, airports, ports,
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because that's all of that is in his lane, right,
and so you might bring in somebody in the National
security coounts, but but it would be John Bolton's job
to manage all those folks and help come out with
a coherent policy. And given his long, long time in
government and his long time in dealing with national security issues,
he's going to bring that historical knowledge that is sometimes
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very important for an incoming president or a president who
may not have they don't have that long institutional knowledge
like say Trump does because he's he's not a politician
per se. He's not Hillary Clinton, who is Secretary of State.
You know, He's not you know Biden, who's been in
government and been getting intellibritates for you know, decades, And
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so you have somebody who's got the historical knowledge. Theoretically
would be somebody that the president trusted, although I don't
think Trump really trusted Bolton very much, and there was
no law of loss between these two guys. The National
security guys director and survives the work and supervises the
work of the SA NSC staff. So you've got staff
that helps support this group Bolton has access to and
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is responsible for safeguarding. So he's responsible for safeguarding, not
just access, to be responsible for safeguarding the most sensitive
national defense information, including classified information. So he not only
gets it and it helps the develop policy based upon it,
but he's got an obligation to safeguard it. Due to
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Bolton's need to have ready access to this day, they
did something. They put a sensitive compartmented information facility in
his house called a skiff. Now I've been in a
skiff before. I've received intelligence briefings. In a skiff.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Essentially, it's an area where.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
There are no electronic devices that can listen in. You're
not supposed to take it take an electronic devices that
are not part of any government uh, you know, federal
government devices. So they might have like a communications system
that the FEDS have that's encrypted, that is, that is
considered safe to talk to the people in the room,
But you can't have like your cell phone in there
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or any anything else in that and it just needs
to be left at the door. You can maybe take
a notepad in. That's about it. And and so they
had at his house so that he can conduct business
at his house. Now this does. None of this sounds
unusual to me. But what it does when you do.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
That, you you you you.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Also sign I recognize the importance of the skiff and
and not to violate the skiff, not to bring people
in who shouldn't be there, not to have listening devices,
all all these rules that you have, and that you
can't leave material in the skiff whatever, you can't you
can't store stuff there, right, So that was one of
the big ones there. So what it is, it's laying
out that John Bolden had unprecedented access to the highest
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level of intelligence and that he was clearly aware of
his obligations to the United States government and safe guarding.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
This.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
No location within Bolton's house was approved to store any
unlawful material. This is important because they did find unlawful material.
At no point, including the period where Bolton had an
accredited skiff in his home, was the authorized to store
and transmit any classified documents. So you could only use
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those systems there. You couldn't use any unauthorized communications system
to transport any unlawful documents, including AOL and Google, which
he ultimately used. And you know, so let's we got
to get into the meat of what he actually did
to abuse it. And to do that, I think we
have to roll a clip and let's roll with the
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one where he criticizes Trump, and then I'll talk a
little bit and then we'll deal with cool things.
Speaker 8 (30:49):
As we've been reporting, the doj unsealed the detailed inventory
list of the items seized in the FBI search of
mar A Lago. CBS News Katherine Herridge has a new
interview with former National Security advisor John Bolton about the
Justice Department's ongoing investigation.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Here's a preview.
Speaker 6 (31:06):
What are the national security implications of the co mingling
of these records?
Speaker 9 (31:11):
Well, to the extent that the newspaper clippings were treated
like most people in this country would treat newspaper clippings,
it shows a real disdain for the seriousness of the
classification at issue. In most offices, you would have a
very clear segregation of the sensitive classified material locked in
safe handled very carefully, versus all the unclassified material. This,
(31:35):
to me is more evidence that Donald Trump didn't give
much attention to the sensitivity of the classified information.
Speaker 8 (31:43):
You can watch more of Catherine's interview with John Bolton
right here on CBS News.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Yeah, think about that. So he is laying out Trump
because he's commenting on mur Lago, what was found there
and how the sensitive material was not handled properly, and
Donald Trump doesn't take it serious. Is this guy was
a big critic of Donald Trump, and we're going to
find out that he's a hypocrite. But you know this,
you know, and you know when you hear the criticism, you.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Know, I of all of Trump's.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Legal problems leading up to the election, this was the
one I thought was most important because his cavaliy. If
Trump did handle this information in a cavalier way, it
would be akin to what Hillary Clinton did right with
her her server, not quite as bad. It would be
a kin to Joe Biden having sense of material in
his garage. Which remember remember the prosecutor of the special
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prosecutor or said that, yeah, he did violate the law,
but we can't prosecute he's too old. Remember that whole
that whole story. So, yeah, Hillary Clinton did violate that law.
So did Biden. Sounds like Pence might have violated it.
But John Bolden, this is what he does, This is
all he does. He deals with intelligence, He analyzes intelligence,
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he helps draft policy based upon intelligence. This is all he does,
and he's criticizing, and he's got one more criticizing criticism
of Trump. Cool things. Let's show that.
Speaker 10 (33:10):
J John Bolden, thank you for being with us today.
You've said a bunch of places that you think that
that is that it's obvious, it's not just a live
but a desperate lie. I guess the first place somebody
want to start with you is on the question of
how you witnessed Donald Trump deal with classified materials broadly
within the White House, and whether he was, as many
now say, sort of a walking, talking national security threat
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at all times.
Speaker 9 (33:39):
Well, I don't think he was a threat at all times,
because the volume of highly sensitive information that he heard
in four years is not reflected in what he divulged
I think inappropriately. So a lot of this was just
reflective of the way things happened in the Trump White House,
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living inside a pinball machine. Depended on what he did
at any given moment. But I don't think he cared
about the classification system. I don't think he appreciated the
sensitivity of this information, and he didn't appreciate the sensitivity
of how it was often acquired the so called sources
and methods. So this had been brief to him before
(34:22):
I arrived, It was repeated frequently. I think it simply
had no impact on him.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Whatever.
Speaker 10 (34:28):
There's a couple of different ways that people think about this,
and people who are not friendly to the president who
think about what's happened here, And one of them is,
you know, Donald Trump master thief, you know, criminal running
the kind of elaborate conspiracy to bring things out of
the White House and keep him secret for potentially for
political or financial gain. There are other people who added
this attitude as Trump is chaotic, he's careless, he's not
(34:51):
that smart.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
He just as he wanted.
Speaker 10 (34:53):
He took these things almost by mistake, and now he's
basically stamping his feet and saying, their mind, I don't
want to give them up. Give me a sense of
where where you think the truth wise with respect to
Trump's intelligence, carelessness, and the degree in which he might
have brought motive to bear on taking these documents out
of the White House of keeping them for this long
at mar Laga.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Yeah, so you know what he goes on later on
the clip. He goes on is well, Donald Trump was
like he liked cool things. That's what he said. That's
I kind of a little bit short because I have
a lot to talk about. But that's what he said
in this in this document, but in his indictment, in
his indictment. Once John Bolton became the National Security Advisor
in twenty eighteen through twenty nineteen, so I think it
(35:34):
was let's see, it was April of twenty eighteen through
September of twenty nineteen for Donald Trump. In the Trump administration,
he started doing this thing called he started creating diaries.
So he would go to a briefing, a skiff whatever,
and he would take detailed notes. He would write those
detailed notes down and this is where the cool things issue.
(35:56):
And when I read his indictment and I listened to
what he's saying here what a hypocrite is. He would
go he'd go home, or he'd go to his office,
and occasionally he would write a lengthy diary, like twenty
four One of the longest one was seventy seven pages
of notes that he took or recollections and offered the
notes that he took at these secure briefing, which include
(36:19):
which included very sensitive intelligence many times collected in methods
and source from sources. We don't want our foreign adversaries
to know about. And they would type it up in
a diary, and he would send it to two different
sources who are not part of the security arrangement. And
he did it via AOL and Google unsecured you know
(36:42):
commercial you know communications software that everybody has that's easily hacked.
And he did it through his own private accounts. That's
what he did. And when they don't name who one
and two are who he sent them to, but it's
out in the news reports. It's his wife and his daughter.
So he's writing up these diaries to his wife and
(37:04):
daughter about his day to day stuff. Likely, I know
my priuces, says AOL as that's still around. Yet it
is still around. That's still a thing. I think people
still have their AOL emails and accounts and they use them,
right and and and here's here's, here's here's Yeah, he
might still be on MySpace. Yeah maybe, I bet she's
He probably sent some intelligence information over. But he's writing
(37:27):
his diary down based upon US notes. And that's still
just because it's not a formal document. The fact that
he's sharing information that is sensitive to our country.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
And and how we get it is very important. Right.
We don't want people to know how we get it.
We don't want them to know human intelligence source because
then they murdered. Right, those are things we don't want
anybody to know. They don't. They don't want to know
that we might get information from another foreign intelligence service,
from another country that may be playing both sides.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
We don't want our adversaries to know that stuff.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Right, So we don't want the head of our national
security counsel or sad security advisor writing this documentation and
documenting this all down and sending to his wife and
daughter over unsecured well one, they're not even they're not
even part of the They shouldn't read it, get it
at all.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
He shouldn't.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
He shouldn't even sit down in front of a fire
and tell them what's going. Hey, let's sit down and
talk about what happened at work. He can't do that either.
He shouldn't talk about it at all, let alone write
it down in a diary and send it to them,
which is what he is accused of doing. And it's
it's it's interesting because he did it on multiple occasions.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Let me see if I let's see. So he continued
doing this.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Even after he left the service of the United States government,
he continued to write these diaries. And he did it
like on multiple occasions. I think one I read was
seventy seven pages, twenty four pages, twenty five pages, and
and but here's the here's the deal, here's the deal.
And this is also this goes with Hillary's service. I
(38:57):
might I might throw that video in just a minute,
but let's let's talk about this. So let me read
it straight from the indictment because it's so important, right,
And this is this is item number fourteen in this indictment.
At some point between when Bolton left government service in
September of September nineteen, twenty nineteen to July of twenty
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twenty one, a cyber actor believed to be associated with
the Islamic Republic of Iran hacked John Bolton's personal email accounts,
which had all of these diaries contained in it. So
he wrote all of these diaries to his wife and daughter.
I don't know, because they wanted to think he was
(39:42):
cool and he was the big man on campus. I
don't know. I don't know why he would do that,
collecting a diary for abe using a book memoirs that
they could write about Dad. You know, Don Bolton, you know,
and he got hacked and now they have access to
everything that he wrote. Well, he was national security avisor
(40:04):
under Trump in these diaries to his wife and daughter,
which included very sensitive information military information. Now I'll get
into some of them in a minute here if I
have time. And this is why you can't do it.
This is why you shouldn't do it. This is why
we have all the safeguards in place. And if you
(40:24):
listen to John Bolton as he talks on these saying, oh,
we should be to need to be very serious. And
Trump wasn't serious, but neither was he neither was He
wasn't serious at all. And how he handled this. Now,
he did inform the US government that his personal emails
got hacked. But here's something else he didn't do. He
didn't tell them about the sensitive information that he shared
(40:46):
with others via these accounts. So he said, yeah, I
was hacked, my personal emails are hacked, But he didn't
say yeah, and there's a whole host of sensitive stuff
that we don't want I ran to know about in
my email service because that would have took you know,
they would have said, Hey, I just bily a whole
bunch of laws, come and arrest me.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
So he wasn't upfront, he wasn't honest.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
So even after he blew it, he didn't do the
right thing and come clean like he should have. And
that's the problem. And this is also let's roll with
the Hillary Clinton clip because I want to talk about
her before we get to the end of the show.
Speaker 5 (41:19):
So we looked at data from twenty twelve where this
couple of anonymous researchers basically scanned hundreds of millions of
IP addresses on the Internet, and when they did that,
they figured out what open doors were available on each server.
We went back and looked at that data at the
time when Clinton was Secretary of State and on it
we found services, as are called software that was running
(41:41):
on it that was configured in such a way that
appeared to give it direct access to the Internet. And
there were services at the time that tech experts say
shouldn't be pointing to the Internet because it's at risk
for hacking. So, in other words, her server was configured
in such a way to let people get remote access
to it using a protocol that that very year the
(42:02):
US government said contained security holes where hackers could execute
malicious code on that server and compromise it. And I
think the question going forward is what is the FBI,
which has a possession of her server, what are they
going to find on it? Was there evidence of true hacking?
Was any of her data compromised? What this does is
it shows that it's an example of a possible poor
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security set up that Clinton deployed when she was Secretary
of State, because if we remember, she chose to have
a private server running out of her home in Upstate,
New York rather than use a state deprivement email account
for her BlackBerry and her iPad.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
Yeah so, and news reports demonster shed that she was
likely hacked, her private servers likely hacked. One of the
reasons why she had to wash or scrub her dish
or the hard drives. You remember her famous oh I
don't know how to wash a hard drive. You know,
I don't how to do that. It was because she
was communicating sensitive data on her personal server. And you know,
(42:58):
you have to understand she was going to run for
president and the last thing she wanted was her secrets
to be communicated over government server which are kept and
preserved and could be mined and checked out for corrupt behaviors.
So she wanted this on private service because she didn't
want anybody to know what she was doing. Well, what
she did is she did communicate sensitive information. As the
(43:22):
Secretary of State. It's probably one of the most sensitive intelligence
positions you could have in the cabinet, the Secretary of State,
because she communicates all these foreign governments. She gets all
the intel, just like the military gets all the intel.
And now she's communicating on a private server likely hacked.
And we knew this, and John Bolton knew this, and
he still did what he did. I mean, these are
(43:44):
we're talking people in some secretary state, national security advisor.
These are important people in our government. And look how
cavalier they are with our sensitive intelligence date and and
let me let me lay this out for you. You know,
sources and methods, he doesn't. You know, we use lot
of We use technology as a way to get intel.
We also we use sources foreign government sources to get intel.
(44:07):
But we also use human human intelligence. We we I
don't want to say groom because that's a terrible word now,
but we we look for and we develop sources human
intelligence sources in other countries, and they get close to
their leaders and they give us information. They give us
information that we can use to keep Americans safe. And
(44:29):
when sources and methods are and when information is leaked,
foreign governments can go back and look at the information,
look at how it was leaked, and try and figure
out the sources and methods, whether it was human intelligence
that was responsible for that leak, and they can eliminate
that human source. That's why it's so dangerous that are
(44:53):
our leaders, Hillary Clinton, John bolten Biden, whoever, even to
some degree maybe Trump, are so cavalier about these intelligence
sources and them being released. So, you know, I wanted
to talk about. Let's see, So this one the notes
that Bolton sent to individuals one or two his wife
(45:13):
and daughter, personal email accounts and messaging accounts described in
you know, the indictment. Let's see in detail. Let's see
I had this circle for during the time that he
was NAW security guards that often Bolton noted described the
secure setting of the environment in which he learned of
the information and the national defense and classified information, and
(45:38):
it was you note where it came from, what the
source was, and he communicated some of this stuff. So
I just said, sources intelligence, human intelligence, the threat to
human intelligence when the stuff leaks out. He knew this,
and yet he documented it in his diaries and sent
it to his wife and daughter over unsecured systems. So
(45:59):
this just negligence alone for John Bolton. He's guilty even
if he had no intent for any of this to
leak out. The fact that he handled it in such
a negligent manner places you know it means that he's guilty.
That this is why this is borant. So ignore the
(46:19):
Republican and Democrat thing because you've heard me. I have
been critical on both sides on this issue. And John
Bolton is an expert. He should have known, and he
did things that were detrimental to our country. He did
things that put people at risk, and he did it
in what I would call a very cavalier attitude, particularly
since he knew about it. Now, he also wrote a book,
(46:42):
and I need to talk a little bit about the
book because he wrote a book. And what happens when
you're an intelligence guy and you write a book is
you then have to submit it to the FBI and
others for review to make sure it doesn't have any
class wise stuff, and it did. The first first drafted,
and they had to remove stuff, and they came to
an agreement on what could go in the book and
what couldn't be in the book and that kind of stuff.
(47:03):
But he communicated some of the information to the editor
to get him interested in the book. That also was
a problem. Now here's the problem with these books and
these guys, these intelligence. He made a million dollars off
this book, so his access to intelligence, it becomes very
valuable because one he gets he gets hired on think
tanks for six figures, and he gets to write a
(47:24):
book and makes a million dollars off the book. So
so he's making his money. And so they can say
wherever they went, because remember what the news reporter said, Well,
was Trump just getting this to use to make money
to sell and whatever? No, he's just Bolton said, No,
I just think he didn't understand the importance of it,
or he was really cavalier about it. John Bolton understood
(47:47):
the importance of it. John Bolton understood this allowed him
to get six figure jobs. John Bolden understood that he
could get a million dollars from a book that he produced.
John Bolton made money off using this information, and Trump
did not. John Bolton did. Now, John Bolton never didn't
(48:09):
make that allegation. That was the media.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
But John Bolton knew what he was doing.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
And his book Just for Youcks is the Room where
it happened the White House, a White House memoir of
John Bolton working with Donald Trump. Of course, everybody's going
to buy that. Everybody hates Trump's going to buy that.
Speaker 6 (48:26):
Now.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
I wanted to talk a little bit. I think I
got time to do this. Let's see here he did
draft books. I want to talk a little bit about
I got this comment that he made. Now, he made
a series of news comments. Hey brand, Now how much
time I got as I keep moving forward? And I
wanted to read what was said about a comment that
he made with Clinton. So this was on June twenty eighth,
(48:50):
twenty twenty one. And this just just puts the hammer
in the nail of John Bolton's coffin, because these are
comments he made to the media about the cavalier handling
of intelligence information. Bolton's representative emailed the FBI again or
this wasn't this was a comment made regarding his leak
right the FBI again, reports that Bolton and his representatives
(49:12):
had received the following email on July twenty fifth, twenty
twenty one, which represents believe representatives believed was associated with
the Bolton account. So this is what they say about
that leak. I do not think you would be interested
in the FBI being aware. I do not think that
(49:34):
you'd be at being aware of the leaked content of
John Bolton's email, some of which have been attached, especially
after the recent acquittal. So they're saying, because somebody was acquitted,
I didn't think it'd be interested in this. This could
be the biggest scandal since Hillary Clinton's emails were leaked,
(49:56):
but this time it's on the GOP side. So they're saying, well,
because on Bolt work for GOP administration, it's Republicans, and
he's worked for Republicans before, but he's a Trump hater, right,
They didn't think he'd be in it. But the most
important thing, this was the biggest scandal since Hillary's email server.
So John, you've heard him talk about it, and then
(50:17):
he goes on and does this stuff himself. I think
I got time. I'm going to have to skip through this,
but I wanted to talk a little bit about just
some of the stuff if we got time, because there's
pages and pages of this stuff. So I'll talk about
some of the charges. Here you go. So September twenty third,
twenty eighteen, he reveals a document reveals intelligence about future
(50:37):
attacks by adversary groups in another country. So what can
you do with that? I'm i ran, I read this,
I find out the intelligence. I try to figure out
who knew it, how that leaked out, and I eliminate
those sources. Right. Let's see November twenty three, twenty eighteen,
reveals a liaison partner sharing sensitive information with the US
(51:01):
and intelligence community. So now that liaison party may have
relationships with the people that we're going to do the
bad things. So they cut off that liaison, right, or
they eliminate the source that is talker that liaison. These
are this is why this stuff is dangerous. Right, And
of course, in addition to the sources being gone away,
we don't have the information anymore because they've eliminated that
that that potential league. Here's July or January thirteenth, twenty nineteen,
(51:26):
reveals intelligence that Foreman adversaries were planning a missile launch
in a in the future a covert action in a
foreign country. So there's a list of things that he
did that were related to sensitive inter governmental actions, sensitive sources,
sensitive sources, and methods used to collect including human intelligence.
(51:49):
So I guess it puts everybody. Ever, so this is
that's just the third charge, and he's got he's got
a ton of them. Right. Let's see June two, twenty nineteen,
and this is a guy who was the head of
our National Security Council and he's a nation security advisor.
Speaker 9 (52:04):
So this.
Speaker 1 (52:06):
Indictment of John Bolton, not only in my mind, is
the right thing to do because we have to send
a message to our most senior folks who are handling intelligence.
Speaker 9 (52:17):
Now.
Speaker 1 (52:17):
I don't think he needs to go to jail for
twenty years, but he needs to be prosecuted for this
because he, of all people, knew and understood just how
sensitive data's data was. Knew and understood if it got
out what it meant. I mean, just think about this.
You're a source, and you trust the United States and
you give them information and John Bolton types up a
(52:41):
diary and sends it to his wife maybe let's say
it's a Middle East thing, and his daughter and Iran
hacks into that and finds out that the sources and
methods of which the United States is getting information, and
they lead it back and they trace it back to
you and they eliminate you about that. So John Bolton
(53:01):
knew that he was compromised, that his AOL, AOL and
Gmail were compromised. He duly informed the government of that,
but did not tell them of the sensitive data that
was leaked, putting all those people at risk, people who
could have been secured, could have been safe information passages
that could have been protected. But he chose not to
(53:24):
do that because he didn't want to get in trouble,
because he didn't want to be prosecuted, because he wanted
his book deal to go through. So John Bolton blew it.
He needs to be prosecuted. This isn't a right thing,
this isn't a left thing. This is just the right
thing to do. And you know, and unfortunately I told
you about fourteen years ago, I shared a speaking stage
(53:44):
with John Bolton. He was the head speaker. I was
just one of the also ran speakers and you know,
I was proud to be there. And come fourteen years
later and I'm very disappointed in this man. So Unfortunately,
he does need to be prosecuted, and he doesn't need
to be spending a lifetime in prison, but he does.
He does need to be sanctioned to send a message
(54:05):
to all the other people in government, this is unacceptable
behavior for the American people. So hey, thank you for
joining me again. I'm briefing with the Chief. I know
I didn't have a guest today. I do have some
stuff going on in my life, so it's harder to
line up the guests because my whole house is a
disaster and I do produce for my house. Here we
are remodeling, and it's you know, it's ah, it's almost
(54:26):
as stressful as a divorce. I think remodeling is one
more thing after another. Right, But thank you for joining
me here today. I'm briefing with the Chief. Catch me
next week. I hope to get somebody running for sheriff
on the show, and I've reached out to turn in
Chicago Red maybe to try and get them on my show.
But if not, maybe you'll just have me again next week.
Thank you for joining me on briefing with the Chief,
(54:48):
and we'll see you next week. Amanda.
Speaker 2 (54:50):
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But today's show, I'm going to go over the Michael
(02:16):
Bolton indictment. It's one of the things that has bothered
me about Bolton's indictment, the mishandling or the alleged mis
handling of intelligence documents by Trump, even at Mari Lago,
by Biden, you know, putting material in his garage next
to his corvette, the fact that Pence had some material
Hillary Clinton's private server in which she put sensitive material
(02:40):
over a private server for whatever her reasons are. And
hopefully we'll get a chance to get into why she
did what she did. But what bothers me is the
cavalier attitude that people in the most senior levels of
our government take with sensitive materials, you know, sensitive materials.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
I had a.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Security clearance for a while when I was the chief
of the La Metro. I was went into a call
skiff and we'll get into that hopefully in the show,
where you can share information and it's it's not going
to leak out and only certain people can hear it.
You can't take any listening devices in. You can just
take some notes, but even then you got to be
careful what notes you take. And it's so you're under
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all these obligations when you get a security clearance, and
certainly his was a top security clearance and had nothing
like mine. Mine was just a garden variety one, you know,
and then you get it can share intelligence with you.
And then for me, it was it gave me an
idea of how I could deal with protecting critical instructure
in Los Angeles because I was the chief of the
La Metro, that's transportation system. But I also partnered with
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freight rail and trucking, and we coordinated with LAX so
the airports in the area and the ports in the area,
which are all really big important national infrastructures, you know,
and most people don't know it, but the imports that
come to the United State has come through the LA
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and Long Beach Ports a very important piece of critical infrastructure.
So you know, intelligence is very important and keeping intelligence
secure is very important, which is why I think going
over the indictment of John Bolton is very important. And
it's not really a Republican or a Democratic issue. That's
how it's getting characterized. Trump's going after his political enemies.
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But when you read the indictment, you understand that John Bolton,
who should have known better, didn't live up to expectations
and now he's being prosecuted for And we'll get into
his criticized and criticism of others, including Trump, and yet
he did exactly the same thing. But before we do that,
Before we do that, I want to talk about what's
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going on in Portland. Now. I think we got a video.
Let's roll with the video, and then I'll explain why
it's important.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
A long running encampment outside of an immigration customs and
enforcement facility in Portland has been taken down by police
and a man was arrested after a journalist was assaulted
near the facility. Entity correspondent Jason Blair is in Portland. Now,
good evening, Jason. What is the current situation after the
encampment got taken down.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Hey, Tiffany.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Yeah, So this has been a long running encamp in
some form or another for about four or five months now,
right across the street from the ice facility in Portland, Oregon.
And the police did come by last night to make
them take it down. And here I do have a
clip actually of what the current state of the encampment
is just moments ago when I took it. You can
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see that there's a small canopy backup already, and so
a lot of the stuff is still strung out on
the sidewalk. However, I do have footage of it from
last night, as you can see when they were taking
it down. When the police arrived, there were a lot
of tents up, and like I said, this had been
going on for about four or five and the main
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reason the police wanted to take it down is they
need to keep the sidewalk open so people can use it.
And a police sergeant said last night that they are
going to be coming into the area more often to
get more strict with enforcing laws in this area. For quote,
the next couple of days, and this includes cracking down
on public drinking, disorderly conduct, and jaywalking. And he said
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if someone is blocking traffic that it will be disorderly
conduct in the second degree and someone can actually go
to jail for that.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Which.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Blocking traffic has been an ongoing issue with the facility.
Cars are constantly driving in and people are spilling over
in the sidewalk, and I think this encampment was contributing
to that quite a bit. The encampment was also kind
of a source of lots of fights sometimes people, especially
when some of the pro ized supporters would try to
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walk through that area, there would often be a confrontation,
leading to sometimes a physical altercation with injuries.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Back to you and Jason, I understand that an arrest
was made after a journalist was assaulted. What can you
tell us about that?
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Yeah, t if me.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Unfortunately, this kind of thing is not too uncommon. A
journalist named cam Higbee was said that he was assaulted
and also his phone was stolen and smashed while he
was filming in the area. He's often at the Ice
facility filming and reporting on this situation. He says that
he regularly gets death threats when he's out doing this,
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and this isn't the first time that he's been attacked.
But a gentleman was arrested related to this assault and
he was taken into custody by the Portland Police. And
just to give you another example of kind of the
things that have happened here, another journalist said that just
the other day she was eating in a restaurant with
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some of her with some of her friends and one
of the protesters regularly at the ice facility recognized them
and started live streaming them by sat next to them
at the table, started live streaming their private conversation. Eventually
this person was asked to leave the hotel. But this
is just some of the interesting things that have gone
on in the area involving journalists.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Back to you, all right, Jason, thanks for that and
stay safe out there.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Well, I appreciate the report from the news guys there,
but some of the protesters that's Antifa, that's Antifa. That
the gentleman who was arrested, that's Antifa. Antifa assaulted news
reported the journalist. That is a typical tactic of Antifa
is the assault journal So they call the themselves anti fascists,
but they assault journalists because here's what they don't want.
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They don't want the truth to get out. So by
assaulting journalists, whether they're non aligned journalists meaning just mainstream
journalists or aligned conservative, whatever they are are, they're just
trying to build up their YouTube page. As they report news,
they get assaulted by Antifa because Antifa wishes to present
a certain picture. And you know, and and these politicians
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go along with it, right, Well, these they're just anti fascists.
No they're not, they're anarchists. In fact, I saw a
news report today and they talked about what was going
on in Portland, and instead of saying it was Antifa
who did it, they said anarchists. Because here's the deal.
They don't want they use the They don't want to
tie protesters to Antifa and say that they're one and
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the same, right, they don't want to do that. What
they want to talk about is legitimate protests. They don't
want to characterize them as Antifa because Antifa, now, even
though they change their name from anarchists to antifa to
make themselves a little more palatable, it's becoming unpalatable to
associate yourself with Antifa. But I want to talk about
what is going on in Portland. If you remember what
went on in the Los Angeles when I started doing
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their raids there, right is, all these people came out
and started protesting and assaulting ICE, and our political leaders
started talking about how we had to resist, how we
had to suppress them, and Trump sent in the National Guard.
Then our political leaders were ringing their hand. Answer, you're
militarizing our city. This is And I made some comments,
not only on my show but other shows. I said,
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as soon as Trump sends in the National Guard, and
they keep saying they're not needed, we got it. It's
under control. But journalists are out there showing the violence.
The local leaders will be forced to do something because
even though the city city of LA tried to characterize
it as just happening in a very small, dense area
near the Federal enclavement. When I say the federal enclave,
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I mean the Federal courthouse and ICE facilities and whatnot
in downtown LA. There were still some communities that were
in those areas that were impacted by those protests as well.
But they're trying to say it's no big deal. We've
got to contain, we got to control. But the media
would go down there and see the violence every single night.
It was shown at nauseum on TV as they assaulted
local police, including the CHP. And so when Mayor Bass
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and Gavin Newsom says the National Guard isn't needed, we
don't need it here, and yet you see the violence
every single night on TV when they say, we have
it under control, we can handle it, we have sufficient resources,
we don't need the National Guard. And with the court
and sued and did everything they did, they lost credibility
because the violence still continued and the media was showing it,
(11:12):
YouTubers were showing it. It was fairly obvious the level
of violence that was occurring. So as the chief of
the LAPD said, yeah, it's getting out of hand, it's
getting out of he couldn't lie. He wouldn't lie because
that isn't him. That's not Jim McDonald. It may not
have been always a fan of everything he does, but
I do believe Jim McDonald is an honest guy and
he was trying to tell the truth the way the
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best he could. He says, it's getting out of hand,
and you know what, then he and the Sheriff's Department
and HP, the lap of the Sheriff Apartment's CGP were
allowed to do their jobs and clear out the protesters,
meaning the rioters, the violence and the violent the protesters,
the Antifa folks, and they were able to take some
of those folks to jail, and Nathan Hawkman, the DA
(11:55):
here was able to prosecute them. Bill A. Saley, the
US acting US Attorney, he was able to some of
those folks. But it quieted down. And why do you
think it quite it down? Because it didn't serve didn't
serve la very well. It didn't serve the leaders here
very well, particularly in you know, in the shadow of
the Palisades fire, in the Canyon fire, where the credibility
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and the confidence of local leaders was at an all
time low. Right, they couldn't keep saying, well, there's no violence,
it's not a problem that shown on the news. We
got it under control when it clearly wasn't under control.
And the thing about it, what Trump did was fantastic
because he sent the troops in anyways, and they were
forced to do their job. They were forced to stem
the violence. I'm confident because this was all a network
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of leftist organizations that they told him knock it off
and they knocked it off, but Portland kicked off around
that time as well, and so did Cook County, Illinois,
just outside of Chicago where they have a detention Philly.
They have these protests going, and Governor Pritzker in Illinois
and the governor in Portland, and the mayor in Portland,
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and the marriage Chicago. They continued to feed the fire.
They continue to say, we have to resist ice, we
have to protect our community, we have to do all
these things. Even as violence around these ICE facilities was
getting out of control, they denied the violence. They denied
that antifing existed, They denied all of this stuff. And
Trump just said, well, I'm going to send in the
National Guard, and what happened. Let me talk about what
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is actually going on here. Okay, So under the Biden administration,
they've flooded many of the Blue states with a lot
of migrants. And they did that for a reason. They're
doing it because they wanted them here for the twenty
thirty census. A lot of people are leaving Blue states
because of the policies. You know, I've talked about it
before my show. We've seen a flood of people leaving California,
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particularly Middle class people, families that are making two hundred
thousand year Clarmont McKenna and the university has done a
study on this. I listened to a professor to talk
about this. He said, they're leaving in droves and they're
not getting replaced. What that means is is California was
looking at losing three House seats, but also three electoral seats.
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They count on California to be their base in presidential
elections because I think it's fifty three or fifty four
electoral votes. Well, they're slated to lose three or four.
That's big because many of our elections are decided by
just a handful of electoral votes. The same thing is
happening in Illinois. The same thing has happened in New
York and many of our other major cities. So you
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saw the Democratic Party flood those states with migrants for
a reason, in preparation for that census. And then they
passed sanctuary city or sanctuary state policies where nobody could
work with Ice. Right, nobody could work with Ice. So
then Trump is elected, he decides he overturns all of
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Biden's stuff, He shuts down the border, he gets rid
of all the crazy nonsense that Biden was doing, and
then he starts targeting criminal aliens. Now, in the past,
many of these sanctuary states, Illinois, California, Massachusetts, New York State,
they all worked with Obama. When Obama, when it was
politically expedient for the Democratic Party to deport people. Obama
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deported two point seven million people using the very same
laws that Trump is trying to use. And these states Illinois, California,
New York, Massachusetts all worked all worked with the Obama
administration to do those deportations because they were all run
by Democrats, and the Democrats were all supporting the National
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Democrats and it was within their it was within their
political it was politically expedient for them to support those policies.
So they supported Obama and they deported people. Now, the
strategy was obviously to flood these states and by passing
the sanctuary city or if it's sanctuary state laws, that
prevented any administration after that from doing anything right, So
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this is their game plan. Now Trump comes in and
he wants to enforce the laws, the very same laws
that Obama enforced that even to some group Biden supported enforced.
Clinton enforced these states won't allow the federal government and
or they won't even work with the federal government to
deport anybody because it's in their best interests to have
migrants in their states. Because when they do the census,
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it counts everybody in the state, not just voters, not
just citizens, everybody in the state. So if you flooded
your state with five million migrants, like they're saying in California,
then you get clout because of that. And here's the
thing about it. Think about it from an equal protection situation.
Right for other states. Let's say you're Iowa, smaller state,
not as many people in California, and the Democrats and
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you and your Republican and California, they and the Democratic
floods all these blue states with people so that they
can get more electoral votes. Think about that. So you,
as a voter and a resident in Iowa or pick
another state, Montana, your vote is diluted by this corrupt
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scheme that they got going on. You don't get the
same weight and vote. A voter in California because you
got five million illegals gets more weight And what is
going on in Washington, d c. With their vote than
you do because they flooded their state with illegal migrants,
and they protected and prevented ICE from removing them. So
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this is politically expedient for them to do this. So
and of course then they follow up California, even in Massachusetts,
New York, Portland, or Oregon and Illinois. We got to
resist ICE, right, and you see that happening in LA.
They figured out it wasn't politically expeding for them, and
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they knocked it off and the troops left. Portland for
five months was creating havoc and violence outside of a
n ICE facility in their city. The leaders were supporting it,
they were documenting everything ICE did because of course they're
going to sue them. And then Trump says, well, I'm
going to send in the National Guard. And they've been
resisting them, and Trump's been winning, and eventually the national
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Guard was going to come. And just a few days ago,
I think let's roll with the clip. I think Portland,
Portland cleaned up. Let's let's go our way. Just do
that clip. Okay, So Portland cleaned it up. But why
did they clean it up. They cleaned it up because
they didn't want the National Guard there. Here's here's the
one thing that I want everybody to understand. So they
have they have called UH, ICE and federal officers because
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it isn't just ICE. It's the FBI helping. It's the UH,
it's the UH, it's the Federal marshals helping. Federal marshals
just getting a shooting the other day, taking a violent
migrant into custody. They're all helping. So it isn't just
ICE that ur Gestapo is the Nazis. It's all these
federal officers. And here's what doesn't work. What doesn't work
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is the nine year old kid who's in the National
Guard who's been deployed to protect an ice building being
called the Nazi and gestape will buy some some some
some thugs who went to college, got their degree and
are marching around pretending to be social justice warriors. And
this nineteen year old kid who couldn't afford to go
to college right away joined the National Guard to hope
to get the VI bill. So are you gonna start
calling him a Nazi at Gestapo because he's following orders?
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That's exactly what these people don't want, because think about it,
who's in the National Guard right just the average Joe's
getting another check in, maybe getting some military benefits, but
you know, so they can go back to college. I mean,
I look good. Look what the JD Vance did. He
went in the Marines for four years so he can
have his college paid for. That's who goes into the military.
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And what would it look like to have all those
young men and women who go in the military to
support the community have a bunch of rich, you know,
a bunch of middle class thugs who went to college
mom and dad's dying or took out some loans and
refused to pay them back, called themselves Antifa, you know,
and running around calling them Nazis and and Gestapo.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
How would that look, Well, would look pretty bad.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
I really think that's why Portland's backing off, because they
haven't backed off in over two years when it comes
to Antifa, they haven't taken aggressive and finally they disbanded
and took down all of their encampment. So I think
that's finally. I think Trump's doing exactly what he needs
to do with that. He needs to just keep rolling
the dice with these guys and forcing them to take
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really bad positions politically, because that is a bad position.
How does that look on TV? If you got a
bunch of college educated knuckleheads marching around calling a bunch
of people in uniform, young men and women in uniform
who are just serving their countries nasty names, well that
wouldn't look very good, right How many more people will
leave the Democratic Party when you see that? A lot more?
Speaker 5 (20:39):
So?
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Anyways, good job to Trump. I think he's winning that
PR battle and I think the polls show it. And
I think he just needs to keep doubling down and
forcing those guys to do stupid things, which is exactly
what they're doing. So good job Portland PD finally stepped
up and cleared it out. Haven't I haven't liked what
I've seen out of Portland PD, but they did clear
it out. They did what they had had to do,
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and it seems like the Portland leaguers they want to
stay in charge, so they got to figure out, well,
how do we oppose Trump without looking like knuckleheads. That's
gonna be hard for them to do because it just
like I said, they just keep doubling down on stupid.
I think Trump got one over on them, and so
good for good for Trump by threatening the set in
the National Guard. But now we want to get into
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John Bolton. He was indicted. Now he's a former national
security advisor. Let's let's let's roll with the first video
on the series.
Speaker 6 (21:28):
We have breaking news right here on CNN from our
Kitlin pol Lands, who has been reporting on the possible
indictment of John Bolton, the former national security advisor for
President Trump in his first term. Kaitlyn, what do we
know Casey.
Speaker 7 (21:40):
John Bolton, the former national security advisor to Donald Trump,
a longtime federal government official, has been indicted by a
grand jury. We are learning that through two different sources
from our producer Hannah Rabinowitz at the Justice Department, and
we have confirmed that the jury grand jury was in
today with the lead prosecutor on that case, the same
prosecutor who had been on some of the documents of
(22:04):
the search of Bolton's house just two months ago or
not even two months ago, a prosecutor who also has
some experience in investigating these sorts of things. He was
a prosecutor that was also working on the Biden classified
documents handling investigation that led to no charges. But in
this situation, the bulk of this case, it's been going
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on for several years, and our understanding is that it's
about John Bolton's use of an email account with aol
An email account where he was writing diary like notes
and summaries of his time as National Security Advisor to
himself at times even sending them to his wife and daughter.
And that is the sort of thing that the Justice
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Department does say frequently, not just in the climate of
a Trump administration, that that's something that you should not do.
We have seen many charges like this before of other
high ranking officials, and that also with John Bolton in
those warrants. And what we're very likely to see in
court going forward is that the Just Department saying.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
He should have known better. Casey Caitlin, can you take
us through here the timeline of investigations into John Bolton
and just what we know and don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Yeah, it's perplexing to me that John Bolton, the former
National Security Advisor, former ambassador to the United Nations, would
do what he's alleged to have done. But he did it.
And it's also perplexing to me is why these folks
who have these security clearances, who signed these non disclosure agreements,
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who engage who said that they you know, they raise
their hand and said they're going to do all the
right things to get their securities. Because I had a
securities clearance, I had to commit to certain behaviors and
actions and not leak information. Now I wasn't. Most of
the stuff I got was you know, sensitive information. It
wasn't top secret. But they're dealing with the most most
important secrets that our nation has on a day to
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day basis. So let me explain what a national security
advisor is because I think, you know, some of this
is decoding it for the public. You know, what does
this mean? You know, I don't know. So the National
Security Advisor assists the president in managing the National Security Council.
So National Security Council has many people on it I'll
get in a minute. And National Security Council has has
available to it all of the latest up to date
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intel where it came from, sources and methods that it's
used to gather it to make decisions. So it includes
integrated and intelligence that is integrated from the domestic, foreign,
and military, you know, policies related to the national security
of the United States. So he helps a devise the
policy for the president. He helps to shape that for
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the president consistent with the direction of the president. So
the president, you know, he's going to give his broad direction.
If this is where I want to go, here are
the things. So if you look at the Trump administration,
he wanted to play hardball with Hamas. Right, national security
advisors are going to come with a strategy where they
meet our national interest. Well at the same time, they're
crafting a path forward to bring peace in the area. Right,
(25:11):
So they got to work with Israelis, I gotta work
with the moss I, got to work with other people
in the area, and they use intelligence to try and
figure out where these folks really are at because publicly
people will say one thing, but behind closed doors they
may be there might be other interests going on. That's
where the intelligence comes in. And you know, you have
challenges as you gather it because nobody wants you to
(25:32):
know their secrets, and you need to know their secrets so.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
You can get advantage.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Right, That's what this is all about, right, And so
and then having somebody who can help craft a direction
forward based upon the president's policy as a national security
advisor as he brings the National Security Council together, is
a very key figure. And it because a very powerful figure.
And this was started in the nineteen forties. I think
it was nineteen forty seven. So the people that are
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on the National Security Council, the members of the National
Security Council are generally they include the President obviously, the
Vice President, the Secretary of State, the Secretary of Defense,
the Secretary of Energy and Secretary of Treasury, and the
Directed Director of the Office of Pandemic Preparedness and Response Policy,
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and then anybody else that's seems necessarily the latest guy
in the pandemic guy that seems like probably a new addition.
But if you think about it, depending on what the
intel comes in, you may have to bring in other
secretaries from the cabinet, depending on what is going on,
just so that they can hear the intelligence and give
you let's say it's they're going to threaten transportation, for example.
(26:43):
Let's say they're going to threaten transit. So you might
bring in a Secretary Duffy into the National Security Council
for a limited basis, give them the intel and then
maybe get some some strategies or some his thoughts on
how he might want to protect our critical instry like transportation,
whether freight rail, trucking, buses, whatever it is, airports, ports,
(27:04):
because that's all of that is in his lane, right,
and so you might bring in somebody in the National
security coounts, but but it would be John Bolton's job
to manage all those folks and help come out with
a coherent policy. And given his long, long time in
government and his long time in dealing with national security issues,
he's going to bring that historical knowledge that is sometimes
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very important for an incoming president or a president who
may not have they don't have that long institutional knowledge
like say Trump does because he's he's not a politician
per se. He's not Hillary Clinton, who is Secretary of State.
You know, He's not you know Biden, who's been in
government and been getting intellibritates for you know, decades, And
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so you have somebody who's got the historical knowledge. Theoretically
would be somebody that the president trusted, although I don't
think Trump really trusted Bolton very much, and there was
no law of loss between these two guys. The National
security guys director and survives the work and supervises the
work of the SA NSC staff. So you've got staff
that helps support this group Bolton has access to and
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is responsible for safeguarding. So he's responsible for safeguarding, not
just access, to be responsible for safeguarding the most sensitive
national defense information, including classified information. So he not only
gets it and it helps the develop policy based upon it,
but he's got an obligation to safeguard it. Due to
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Bolton's need to have ready access to this day, they
did something. They put a sensitive compartmented information facility in
his house called a skiff. Now I've been in a
skiff before. I've received intelligence briefings. In a skiff.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Essentially, it's an area where.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
There are no electronic devices that can listen in. You're
not supposed to take it take an electronic devices that
are not part of any government uh, you know, federal
government devices. So they might have like a communications system
that the FEDS have that's encrypted, that is, that is
considered safe to talk to the people in the room,
But you can't have like your cell phone in there
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or any anything else in that and it just needs
to be left at the door. You can maybe take
a notepad in. That's about it. And and so they
had at his house so that he can conduct business
at his house. Now this does. None of this sounds
unusual to me. But what it does when you do.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
That, you you you you.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Also sign I recognize the importance of the skiff and
and not to violate the skiff, not to bring people
in who shouldn't be there, not to have listening devices,
all all these rules that you have, and that you
can't leave material in the skiff whatever, you can't you
can't store stuff there, right, So that was one of
the big ones there. So what it is, it's laying
out that John Bolden had unprecedented access to the highest
(29:52):
level of intelligence and that he was clearly aware of
his obligations to the United States government and safe guarding.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
This.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
No location within Bolton's house was approved to store any
unlawful material. This is important because they did find unlawful material.
At no point, including the period where Bolton had an
accredited skiff in his home, was the authorized to store
and transmit any classified documents. So you could only use
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those systems there. You couldn't use any unauthorized communications system
to transport any unlawful documents, including AOL and Google, which
he ultimately used. And you know, so let's we got
to get into the meat of what he actually did
to abuse it. And to do that, I think we
have to roll a clip and let's roll with the
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one where he criticizes Trump, and then I'll talk a
little bit and then we'll deal with cool things.
Speaker 8 (30:49):
As we've been reporting, the doj unsealed the detailed inventory
list of the items seized in the FBI search of
mar A Lago. CBS News Katherine Herridge has a new
interview with former National Security advisor John Bolton about the
Justice Department's ongoing investigation.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Here's a preview.
Speaker 6 (31:06):
What are the national security implications of the co mingling
of these records?
Speaker 9 (31:11):
Well, to the extent that the newspaper clippings were treated
like most people in this country would treat newspaper clippings,
it shows a real disdain for the seriousness of the
classification at issue. In most offices, you would have a
very clear segregation of the sensitive classified material locked in
safe handled very carefully, versus all the unclassified material. This,
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to me is more evidence that Donald Trump didn't give
much attention to the sensitivity of the classified information.
Speaker 8 (31:43):
You can watch more of Catherine's interview with John Bolton
right here on CBS News.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Yeah, think about that. So he is laying out Trump
because he's commenting on mur Lago, what was found there
and how the sensitive material was not handled properly, and
Donald Trump doesn't take it serious. Is this guy was
a big critic of Donald Trump, and we're going to
find out that he's a hypocrite. But you know this,
you know, and you know when you hear the criticism, you.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Know, I of all of Trump's.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Legal problems leading up to the election, this was the
one I thought was most important because his cavaliy. If
Trump did handle this information in a cavalier way, it
would be akin to what Hillary Clinton did right with
her her server, not quite as bad. It would be
a kin to Joe Biden having sense of material in
his garage. Which remember remember the prosecutor of the special
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prosecutor or said that, yeah, he did violate the law,
but we can't prosecute he's too old. Remember that whole
that whole story. So, yeah, Hillary Clinton did violate that law.
So did Biden. Sounds like Pence might have violated it.
But John Bolden, this is what he does, This is
all he does. He deals with intelligence, He analyzes intelligence,
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he helps draft policy based upon intelligence. This is all he does,
and he's criticizing, and he's got one more criticizing criticism
of Trump. Cool things. Let's show that.
Speaker 10 (33:10):
J John Bolden, thank you for being with us today.
You've said a bunch of places that you think that
that is that it's obvious, it's not just a live
but a desperate lie. I guess the first place somebody
want to start with you is on the question of
how you witnessed Donald Trump deal with classified materials broadly
within the White House, and whether he was, as many
now say, sort of a walking, talking national security threat
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at all times.
Speaker 9 (33:39):
Well, I don't think he was a threat at all times,
because the volume of highly sensitive information that he heard
in four years is not reflected in what he divulged
I think inappropriately. So a lot of this was just
reflective of the way things happened in the Trump White House,
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living inside a pinball machine. Depended on what he did
at any given moment. But I don't think he cared
about the classification system. I don't think he appreciated the
sensitivity of this information, and he didn't appreciate the sensitivity
of how it was often acquired the so called sources
and methods. So this had been brief to him before
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I arrived, It was repeated frequently. I think it simply
had no impact on him.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Whatever.
Speaker 10 (34:28):
There's a couple of different ways that people think about this,
and people who are not friendly to the president who
think about what's happened here, And one of them is,
you know, Donald Trump master thief, you know, criminal running
the kind of elaborate conspiracy to bring things out of
the White House and keep him secret for potentially for
political or financial gain. There are other people who added
this attitude as Trump is chaotic, he's careless, he's not
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that smart.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
He just as he wanted.
Speaker 10 (34:53):
He took these things almost by mistake, and now he's
basically stamping his feet and saying, their mind, I don't
want to give them up. Give me a sense of
where where you think the truth wise with respect to
Trump's intelligence, carelessness, and the degree in which he might
have brought motive to bear on taking these documents out
of the White House of keeping them for this long
at mar Laga.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Yeah, so you know what he goes on later on
the clip. He goes on is well, Donald Trump was
like he liked cool things. That's what he said. That's
I kind of a little bit short because I have
a lot to talk about. But that's what he said
in this in this document, but in his indictment, in
his indictment. Once John Bolton became the National Security Advisor
in twenty eighteen through twenty nineteen, so I think it
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was let's see, it was April of twenty eighteen through
September of twenty nineteen for Donald Trump. In the Trump administration,
he started doing this thing called he started creating diaries.
So he would go to a briefing, a skiff whatever,
and he would take detailed notes. He would write those
detailed notes down and this is where the cool things issue.
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And when I read his indictment and I listened to
what he's saying here what a hypocrite is. He would
go he'd go home, or he'd go to his office,
and occasionally he would write a lengthy diary, like twenty
four One of the longest one was seventy seven pages
of notes that he took or recollections and offered the
notes that he took at these secure briefing, which include
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which included very sensitive intelligence many times collected in methods
and source from sources. We don't want our foreign adversaries
to know about. And they would type it up in
a diary, and he would send it to two different
sources who are not part of the security arrangement. And
he did it via AOL and Google unsecured you know
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commercial you know communications software that everybody has that's easily hacked.
And he did it through his own private accounts. That's
what he did. And when they don't name who one
and two are who he sent them to, but it's
out in the news reports. It's his wife and his daughter.
So he's writing up these diaries to his wife and
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daughter about his day to day stuff. Likely, I know
my priuces, says AOL as that's still around. Yet it
is still around. That's still a thing. I think people
still have their AOL emails and accounts and they use them,
right and and and here's here's, here's here's Yeah, he
might still be on MySpace. Yeah maybe, I bet she's
He probably sent some intelligence information over. But he's writing
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his diary down based upon US notes. And that's still
just because it's not a formal document. The fact that
he's sharing information that is sensitive to our country.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
And and how we get it is very important. Right.
We don't want people to know how we get it.
We don't want them to know human intelligence source because
then they murdered. Right, those are things we don't want
anybody to know. They don't. They don't want to know
that we might get information from another foreign intelligence service,
from another country that may be playing both sides.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
We don't want our adversaries to know that stuff.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Right, So we don't want the head of our national
security counsel or sad security advisor writing this documentation and
documenting this all down and sending to his wife and
daughter over unsecured well one, they're not even they're not
even part of the They shouldn't read it, get it
at all.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
He shouldn't.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
He shouldn't even sit down in front of a fire
and tell them what's going. Hey, let's sit down and
talk about what happened at work. He can't do that either.
He shouldn't talk about it at all, let alone write
it down in a diary and send it to them,
which is what he is accused of doing. And it's
it's it's interesting because he did it on multiple occasions.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Let me see if I let's see. So he continued
doing this.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Even after he left the service of the United States government,
he continued to write these diaries. And he did it
like on multiple occasions. I think one I read was
seventy seven pages, twenty four pages, twenty five pages, and
and but here's the here's the deal, here's the deal.
And this is also this goes with Hillary's service. I
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might I might throw that video in just a minute,
but let's let's talk about this. So let me read
it straight from the indictment because it's so important, right,
And this is this is item number fourteen in this indictment.
At some point between when Bolton left government service in
September of September nineteen, twenty nineteen to July of twenty
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twenty one, a cyber actor believed to be associated with
the Islamic Republic of Iran hacked John Bolton's personal email accounts,
which had all of these diaries contained in it. So
he wrote all of these diaries to his wife and daughter.
I don't know, because they wanted to think he was
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cool and he was the big man on campus. I
don't know. I don't know why he would do that,
collecting a diary for abe using a book memoirs that
they could write about Dad. You know, Don Bolton, you know,
and he got hacked and now they have access to
everything that he wrote. Well, he was national security avisor
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under Trump in these diaries to his wife and daughter,
which included very sensitive information military information. Now I'll get
into some of them in a minute here if I
have time. And this is why you can't do it.
This is why you shouldn't do it. This is why
we have all the safeguards in place. And if you
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listen to John Bolton as he talks on these saying, oh,
we should be to need to be very serious. And
Trump wasn't serious, but neither was he neither was He
wasn't serious at all. And how he handled this. Now,
he did inform the US government that his personal emails
got hacked. But here's something else he didn't do. He
didn't tell them about the sensitive information that he shared
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with others via these accounts. So he said, yeah, I
was hacked, my personal emails are hacked, But he didn't
say yeah, and there's a whole host of sensitive stuff
that we don't want I ran to know about in
my email service because that would have took you know,
they would have said, Hey, I just bily a whole
bunch of laws, come and arrest me.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
So he wasn't upfront, he wasn't honest.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
So even after he blew it, he didn't do the
right thing and come clean like he should have. And
that's the problem. And this is also let's roll with
the Hillary Clinton clip because I want to talk about
her before we get to the end of the show.
Speaker 5 (41:19):
So we looked at data from twenty twelve where this
couple of anonymous researchers basically scanned hundreds of millions of
IP addresses on the Internet, and when they did that,
they figured out what open doors were available on each server.
We went back and looked at that data at the
time when Clinton was Secretary of State and on it
we found services, as are called software that was running
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on it that was configured in such a way that
appeared to give it direct access to the Internet. And
there were services at the time that tech experts say
shouldn't be pointing to the Internet because it's at risk
for hacking. So, in other words, her server was configured
in such a way to let people get remote access
to it using a protocol that that very year the
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US government said contained security holes where hackers could execute
malicious code on that server and compromise it. And I
think the question going forward is what is the FBI,
which has a possession of her server, what are they
going to find on it? Was there evidence of true hacking?
Was any of her data compromised? What this does is
it shows that it's an example of a possible poor
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security set up that Clinton deployed when she was Secretary
of State, because if we remember, she chose to have
a private server running out of her home in Upstate,
New York rather than use a state deprivement email account
for her BlackBerry and her iPad.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
Yeah so, and news reports demonster shed that she was
likely hacked, her private servers likely hacked. One of the
reasons why she had to wash or scrub her dish
or the hard drives. You remember her famous oh I
don't know how to wash a hard drive. You know,
I don't how to do that. It was because she
was communicating sensitive data on her personal server. And you know,
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you have to understand she was going to run for
president and the last thing she wanted was her secrets
to be communicated over government server which are kept and
preserved and could be mined and checked out for corrupt behaviors.
So she wanted this on private service because she didn't
want anybody to know what she was doing. Well, what
she did is she did communicate sensitive information. As the
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Secretary of State. It's probably one of the most sensitive intelligence
positions you could have in the cabinet, the Secretary of State,
because she communicates all these foreign governments. She gets all
the intel, just like the military gets all the intel.
And now she's communicating on a private server likely hacked.
And we knew this, and John Bolton knew this, and
he still did what he did. I mean, these are
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we're talking people in some secretary state, national security advisor.
These are important people in our government. And look how
cavalier they are with our sensitive intelligence date and and
let me let me lay this out for you. You know,
sources and methods, he doesn't. You know, we use lot
of We use technology as a way to get intel.
We also we use sources foreign government sources to get intel.
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But we also use human human intelligence. We we I
don't want to say groom because that's a terrible word now,
but we we look for and we develop sources human
intelligence sources in other countries, and they get close to
their leaders and they give us information. They give us
information that we can use to keep Americans safe. And
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when sources and methods are and when information is leaked,
foreign governments can go back and look at the information,
look at how it was leaked, and try and figure
out the sources and methods, whether it was human intelligence
that was responsible for that leak, and they can eliminate
that human source. That's why it's so dangerous that are
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our leaders, Hillary Clinton, John bolten Biden, whoever, even to
some degree maybe Trump, are so cavalier about these intelligence
sources and them being released. So, you know, I wanted
to talk about. Let's see, So this one the notes
that Bolton sent to individuals one or two his wife
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and daughter, personal email accounts and messaging accounts described in
you know, the indictment. Let's see in detail. Let's see
I had this circle for during the time that he
was NAW security guards that often Bolton noted described the
secure setting of the environment in which he learned of
the information and the national defense and classified information, and
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it was you note where it came from, what the
source was, and he communicated some of this stuff. So
I just said, sources intelligence, human intelligence, the threat to
human intelligence when the stuff leaks out. He knew this,
and yet he documented it in his diaries and sent
it to his wife and daughter over unsecured systems. So
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this just negligence alone for John Bolton. He's guilty even
if he had no intent for any of this to
leak out. The fact that he handled it in such
a negligent manner places you know it means that he's guilty.
That this is why this is borant. So ignore the
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Republican and Democrat thing because you've heard me. I have
been critical on both sides on this issue. And John
Bolton is an expert. He should have known, and he
did things that were detrimental to our country. He did
things that put people at risk, and he did it
in what I would call a very cavalier attitude, particularly
since he knew about it. Now, he also wrote a book,
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and I need to talk a little bit about the
book because he wrote a book. And what happens when
you're an intelligence guy and you write a book is
you then have to submit it to the FBI and
others for review to make sure it doesn't have any
class wise stuff, and it did. The first first drafted,
and they had to remove stuff, and they came to
an agreement on what could go in the book and
what couldn't be in the book and that kind of stuff.
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But he communicated some of the information to the editor
to get him interested in the book. That also was
a problem. Now here's the problem with these books and
these guys, these intelligence. He made a million dollars off
this book, so his access to intelligence, it becomes very
valuable because one he gets he gets hired on think
tanks for six figures, and he gets to write a
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book and makes a million dollars off the book. So
so he's making his money. And so they can say
wherever they went, because remember what the news reporter said, Well,
was Trump just getting this to use to make money
to sell and whatever? No, he's just Bolton said, No,
I just think he didn't understand the importance of it,
or he was really cavalier about it. John Bolton understood
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the importance of it. John Bolton understood this allowed him
to get six figure jobs. John Bolden understood that he
could get a million dollars from a book that he produced.
John Bolton made money off using this information, and Trump
did not. John Bolton did. Now, John Bolton never didn't
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make that allegation. That was the media.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
But John Bolton knew what he was doing.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
And his book Just for Youcks is the Room where
it happened the White House, a White House memoir of
John Bolton working with Donald Trump. Of course, everybody's going
to buy that. Everybody hates Trump's going to buy that.
Speaker 6 (48:26):
Now.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
I wanted to talk a little bit. I think I
got time to do this. Let's see here he did
draft books. I want to talk a little bit about
I got this comment that he made. Now, he made
a series of news comments. Hey brand, Now how much
time I got as I keep moving forward? And I
wanted to read what was said about a comment that
he made with Clinton. So this was on June twenty eighth,
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twenty twenty one. And this just just puts the hammer
in the nail of John Bolton's coffin, because these are
comments he made to the media about the cavalier handling
of intelligence information. Bolton's representative emailed the FBI again or
this wasn't this was a comment made regarding his leak
right the FBI again, reports that Bolton and his representatives
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had received the following email on July twenty fifth, twenty
twenty one, which represents believe representatives believed was associated with
the Bolton account. So this is what they say about
that leak. I do not think you would be interested
in the FBI being aware. I do not think that
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you'd be at being aware of the leaked content of
John Bolton's email, some of which have been attached, especially
after the recent acquittal. So they're saying, because somebody was acquitted,
I didn't think it'd be interested in this. This could
be the biggest scandal since Hillary Clinton's emails were leaked,
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but this time it's on the GOP side. So they're saying, well,
because on Bolt work for GOP administration, it's Republicans, and
he's worked for Republicans before, but he's a Trump hater, right,
They didn't think he'd be in it. But the most
important thing, this was the biggest scandal since Hillary's email server.
So John, you've heard him talk about it, and then
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he goes on and does this stuff himself. I think
I got time. I'm going to have to skip through this,
but I wanted to talk a little bit about just
some of the stuff if we got time, because there's
pages and pages of this stuff. So I'll talk about
some of the charges. Here you go. So September twenty third,
twenty eighteen, he reveals a document reveals intelligence about future
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attacks by adversary groups in another country. So what can
you do with that? I'm i ran, I read this,
I find out the intelligence. I try to figure out
who knew it, how that leaked out, and I eliminate
those sources. Right. Let's see November twenty three, twenty eighteen,
reveals a liaison partner sharing sensitive information with the US
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and intelligence community. So now that liaison party may have
relationships with the people that we're going to do the
bad things. So they cut off that liaison, right, or
they eliminate the source that is talker that liaison. These
are this is why this stuff is dangerous. Right, And
of course, in addition to the sources being gone away,
we don't have the information anymore because they've eliminated that
that that potential league. Here's July or January thirteenth, twenty nineteen,
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reveals intelligence that Foreman adversaries were planning a missile launch
in a in the future a covert action in a
foreign country. So there's a list of things that he
did that were related to sensitive inter governmental actions, sensitive sources,
sensitive sources, and methods used to collect including human intelligence.
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So I guess it puts everybody. Ever, so this is
that's just the third charge, and he's got he's got
a ton of them. Right. Let's see June two, twenty nineteen,
and this is a guy who was the head of
our National Security Council and he's a nation security advisor.
Speaker 9 (52:04):
So this.
Speaker 1 (52:06):
Indictment of John Bolton, not only in my mind, is
the right thing to do because we have to send
a message to our most senior folks who are handling intelligence.
Speaker 9 (52:17):
Now.
Speaker 1 (52:17):
I don't think he needs to go to jail for
twenty years, but he needs to be prosecuted for this
because he, of all people, knew and understood just how
sensitive data's data was. Knew and understood if it got
out what it meant. I mean, just think about this.
You're a source, and you trust the United States and
you give them information and John Bolton types up a
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diary and sends it to his wife maybe let's say
it's a Middle East thing, and his daughter and Iran
hacks into that and finds out that the sources and
methods of which the United States is getting information, and
they lead it back and they trace it back to
you and they eliminate you about that. So John Bolton
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knew that he was compromised, that his AOL, AOL and
Gmail were compromised. He duly informed the government of that,
but did not tell them of the sensitive data that
was leaked, putting all those people at risk, people who
could have been secured, could have been safe information passages
that could have been protected. But he chose not to
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do that because he didn't want to get in trouble,
because he didn't want to be prosecuted, because he wanted
his book deal to go through. So John Bolton blew it.
He needs to be prosecuted. This isn't a right thing,
this isn't a left thing. This is just the right
thing to do. And you know, and unfortunately I told
you about fourteen years ago, I shared a speaking stage
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with John Bolton. He was the head speaker. I was
just one of the also ran speakers and you know,
I was proud to be there. And come fourteen years
later and I'm very disappointed in this man. So Unfortunately,
he does need to be prosecuted, and he doesn't need
to be spending a lifetime in prison, but he does.
He does need to be sanctioned to send a message
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to all the other people in government, this is unacceptable
behavior for the American people. So hey, thank you for
joining me again. I'm briefing with the Chief. I know
I didn't have a guest today. I do have some
stuff going on in my life, so it's harder to
line up the guests because my whole house is a
disaster and I do produce for my house. Here we
are remodeling, and it's you know, it's ah, it's almost
(54:26):
as stressful as a divorce. I think remodeling is one
more thing after another. Right, But thank you for joining
me here today. I'm briefing with the Chief. Catch me
next week. I hope to get somebody running for sheriff
on the show, and I've reached out to turn in
Chicago Red maybe to try and get them on my show.
But if not, maybe you'll just have me again next week.
Thank you for joining me on briefing with the Chief,
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and we'll see you next week. Amanda.
Speaker 2 (54:50):
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