Los Angeles District Attorney Candidate Jonathan Hatami

George Soros has reportedly spent up to 12 million dollars to ensure the election victory of District Attorney George Gascon to the largest local prosecutor’s office in the country, the Los Angeles County District Attorney’s Office. Gascon’s policies have led to an increase in crime in Los Angeles and a lack of faith in his polices. Jonathan Hatami was an early and consistent critic of George Gascon’s polices and is running against the embattled DA. This is your chance to hear the platform of this common sense candidate for Los Angeles District Attorney Jonathan Hatami.

Episode Transcript

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Good afternoon. This is Briefing withthe Chief. I am your host,
Patrick Jordan here on kg R AdB dot com. That's k g R
a Digital Broadcasting digital or digital radio. I am so excited to be here
today because one of the things whenKGr asked me if I was willing to
host a show that I really wantedto do was I wanted to address the
Soros fund of DA's around the country, and I specifically wanted to address the

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Soro's funded da here in Los AngelesCounty, and that is George Gascon,
basically his failures and what he hasdone since he's been in office that has
increased crime and made life miserable forthe LA County residents. And so I
saw this as an opportunity in aplatform because this show goes over the news,
goes over public policy, and goesover politics, and we just pretty

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much talk about what's going on.And it also dispels the myth, the
negative myth that it's laid against lawenforcement and the criminal justice system for the
last ten years to justify these utopianand stupid pixie dusk unicorn kind of policies
that George Gascon has implemented and havefailed, and that George Soros has supported

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around the country and they are failingalso. And one of the reasons why
it's important that we do this stuffis because there is a negative narrative against
law enforcement and the criminal justice system, and we have to we have to
dispel those myths. So the veryfirst article I want to talk about is
Gascon's secret scheme to release a convictedcop killer and Mexican mafia shot caller.

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And this whole story started back innineteen seventy nine. You go ahead and
take that down now, Amanda.Nineteen seventy nine with the murder of Deputy
Jack Williams. Now Jack was servinga search runt with a team of deputy
sheriffs against a dope dealer from LePuente, and that dope dealer saw them
coming and he went into his house. He armed himself for the shotgun,

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he waited for the deputies to comein, and he killed Jack Williams.
So this happened nineteen seventy nine,and the bad guy was convicted in the
early eighties. Now, what isgoing on with these Soros funded DA's around
the country, And this isn't thisisn't just unique to Los Angeles. You
can find this in Philly with LarryKrasner. You saw it with Kim Fox

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and the Jesse Smolette. You know, hoax. She tried to give him
a sweetheart deal and sweep that onthe rug. But you're seeing these allegedly
reformers for the criminal justice system actin incredibly unethical ways to to and and
and search every every every turnover everystone to find any level of mistakes by

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prosecutors and police and call it corruptionand call out the prosecutors of the past
forty years in this particular case.So, but in this case, what
they did was they they had theyformed what they call a conviction integrity unit,
but it's really a conviction integrity unit. They have no integrity in this
unit and they display that with thiscase. So what they did was what
they did is is getting something toget them. My screen is black.

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Maybe we need to talk to somefolks about that. You know, a
man, can you look at that? But what they did is they they
took the case of this guy,this murder of Jack Williams, and they
approached the family first. And thefamily it included two daughters who were when
their dad was murdered. They wereeleven years old when he was murdered.
Now, this guy was convicted.He got life without the parole, and

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they approached them first, and theysaid that there were some issues with the
conviction and tried to get the familyto agree to a sentence of fifteen years
to life, which would automatically causewould automatically cause this guy to be ready
for parole. And since he's older, he's in his sixties, he would
be he'd be eligible for parole basedupon age. So they approached the family

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to do this quietly, suggesting therewas something wrong with the conviction. Now
keep in mind, he was convictedforty years ago. That means dozens of
prosecutors have worked on this case,both from the lada's office and the Attorney
General's office, and they've dealt withall the appeals along the way. And
this guy is now finding he's filinghis Hail Mary is the habeas corpus.

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It's a hail Mary kind of thing. It's I've done everything, I'm throwing
now, I'm throwing everything in thekids to think at this last motion to
get my conviction overturned. And he'ssuggesting to the family that they're suggesting this
conviction tritory if there's something wrong tothe family and if they just accept this.
But he wants to do that becausehe wants the cover of the family
be able to say the family saidit was okay. Right, the family

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said it was okay. He doesn'treally want the light of day to shine
on what he suggests is inappropriate behaviorby these previous prosecutors. Right, that
didn't work. They pushed back andsaid no way, and so then then
the next thing was to suggest,well, there's a Brady violation. A
Brady violation would be if the prosecutorsfailed to turn over exculpatory evidence or evidence
that would have helped the defense,then that would be a Brady violation and

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he could get the conviction overturned andthey'd have to retry him. Right,
so they're suggested the defense Obviously,the defense is always going to suggest that
there's something wrong, and there's alwaysa prede violation. I mean, when
you're throwing everything in the kitchen,including the kitchen sink, into your motion
to overturn your conviition, because it'syour last stop, it's it's your last
gasp. You're going to, ofcourse, suggest that there's a bratty violation

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by the prosecution. And so thisthis conviction Integrity Unit, which is conviction
no integrity unit, suggested that therewas a bready violation and they weren't going
to fight the motions submitted by thedefense, and by doing so, that
would mean the only motion in frontof the judge would be one from the
defense suggesting violations and that the convictionsshould be overturned. So they couldn't get

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the family to agree quietly. Nowthey're just going to they're not even going
to shed this alleged malfeasts by prosecutorsand give it the light of day examination.
They're just going to say it exists, that we're not going to fight
the case, and the guy wouldautomatically have his case overturned and would likely
be released from prison. That's whatthe scam was, right, And now

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now Gascon is facing you know,latest poll shows that he only has fourteen
percent support of the public for theprimary, so he's scrambling, right,
and the only reason Jack's case,Deputy Williams case is pushed forward because you
know, police unions are you know, they're trying to protect the convictions of
the murderers of their police officer deputysheriffs, and they're pushing this, and

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that the DA's union pushed this,and so the light of day is shining
on this case. And so whatdid they decide to do? They decide
because here's the deal. What theywere suggesting is the Brady issue was is
they didn't advise anybody that a jailhouseinformant, which confirmed the original statement of
the suspect. The original the suspectsaid, I knew there were cops when

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I opened fired on him. Thenhe said, oh, no, I
didn't know they were cops. Butthen he set it to a jailhouse informant
that he did know they were cops. And they argued that this jailhouse performant
was unreliable and that he was likelyto get benefits, and that the prosecution
hid that at trial, but allof the transcripts show that that's not true.

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They made it very clear this guyhad previously been a liar. They
made it very clear that this guyhad credibility issues, and the detective in
the case testified that the suspect hadtold him originally that he knew it was
cops when he opened fired on him, so there was no Brady violation and
ultimately, when this finally got toa judge, that's what the judge said.

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So that's why I call these convictionintegrity units. They have zero integrity.
And you can look around the countryand find this with whether it's Krasner
or Fox or Garza in Travis County, Texas, that they're doing these kinds
of unethic They're engaged in these unethicalbehaviors to get the outcome they want.
And that's the problem with these sorels. One the DA's Now. Then the

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next thing I wanted to bring up, and this is the Newsom and DeSantis
debate, is correcting Newsom's claims aboutcrime right. And if I watched this
thing, you know this is theCity Journal who does a great job.
They They they kind of are thenewsletter for the Manhattan Foundation, where they
offered the book Warren Cops and someother books, and they're essentially supportive of

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what has gone on in the lastforty years with law enforcement and they point
out the successes of law enforcement.So they're writing regular articles to correct this
negative narrative regarding anti law enforcement,anti criminal justice system. And following the
DeSantis debate, they wrote an articleregard correcting Governor Newsom because he's a liar.

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Right, he's a liar. Andlet me give you an example before
I even get into the article.You know, the Lewiston massacre. I
was asked to give some comments onanother platform about the Lewiston, Maine shooting,
and short the day that that,or maybe was the day after that
happened, Newsom posted something on Twitterand you know you can catch me on
Twitter at LASD Jordan. But Newsoenposted something on Twitter and he said,

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well, you know, if Mainehad all these great gun control laws like
we have in California, suggesting theywouldn't have that mass murder that we had,
and then we're doing such a greatjob. However, if you take
any time at all to look atwhat was going on in California regarding homicides
and what was going on in Maineregarding homicide, which I did so at
the time, the mortality rate inCalifornia was six point eight per hundred thousand,

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meaning a lot of people died fromgun violence in californ in comparison to
Maine, which was one point sevenand this was for twenty twenty two.
So gas going gaslighted, lied andshamefully took credit for doing a great job
in California win. In reality,you know, we got more than three
times a mortality rate in California,then they do it in Maine. So

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he needs to just shut up.And basically what they did on the City
Journal did is they called him outand let me just read from you what
the City Journal said. Newsome claimedduring the debate that the truth is California
is violence or violent crime rate isat is at a fifty year low,
but the truth is it's at aten year high and rising. That the

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verdict of both the FBI and theGolden States own statistics. That's what they
show. Meanwhile, according to theFBI and Florida's the statistics, the Sunshine
States, violent crime is going downward. Now here's here's the thing I want
you to think about in this articleor when you hear these governors talking about
blue states versus red states and thatyou know, red states are worse than

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blue cities and all that other stuff, what you really need to focus on,
what was it when the crime washighest in the state of California,
or in the state that you're in. What was it when it was the
lowest, and what is it now? So let me give you an example.
The homicide rate in California in nineteenninety three was thirteen point one homicides

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per one hundred thousand thirteen. Thatwas when we passed three strikes. That's
what's when the Feds passed three strikes. That's when we toughened our crime crime
laws and we increased sentences, andthen you saw this dramatic drop all the
way down to twenty fourteen. Andhopefully I can get Jonathan Hatami to talk
a little bit about this. Butin two thousand, twenty fourteen, our
homicide rate got down to in thestate of California four point four murders per

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hundred thousand, thirteen point one topoint point four. Thousands of people's lives
were saved because we lowered crime.Now, where is it? Where where
is it today? Where was itin twenty twenty two, the last full
year, Well, according to theDepartment of Justice is that's five point seven.
So this is murders versus mortality,right, So it's a little different

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number, and you got to becareful how you use these numbers, but
five point seven, so that meansit's significantly higher if you look at four
point four five point seven if youdo the math. If you do the
math, so that means you gotone point three murders per one hundred thousand
more in California and we got fortymillion residents, right, so I mean

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ten million residents. What does thatput you? That's one hundred and one
hundred and thirty and you multiply thattimes four, So what are you have?
You have You're at roughly five hundredmurders more in the state of California
in twenty and twenty two than twentyand fourteen when we passed Prop. Forty
seven, which was co authored byGeorge gastkohin the Sorrows funded DA who is

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destroying Los Angeles County. And thatis why we need honesty and integrity in
the data. That's why Newsom islying there. He's clearly gaslighting. He
has nothing promising or nothing good totalk about in terms of criminal justice reform,
and which brings up you know,my next guest and my next guest.

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She wrote an article for The EpochTimes and it's it's CC Woods and
we can show the article title andthen bring on CC, and basically it
says gas Gon's failed policies highlighted inthe desanthis and new some debate there.
It is and one of the reasonswhy I wanted to bring CC on and
talk about this is the these races, these local races are so consequential for

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so many people. If you lookat the murder rate alone, Uh,
let's go ahead and take the titledown and bring up CC. If you
you look at their murder rate alone, you could see how consequential they are.
So CC wrote this article about howcriminal Justice and guest Going Soros Fund
of DA George gask Going is enteringinto the national discussion and the debate for

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the run for president because Newsom isthe shadow candidate, That's all there is
to it, and DeSantis is running. So CC, welcome to the show.
And I appreciate you bringing this upon the Epoch Times, and you
want to you kind of want toadd to the importance of what you see
as the importance of these these racesaround the country with these Soros fundre DA's
and in Los Angeles. First andforemost, I was completely shocked that DeSantis

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zeroed in on Los Angeles only becauseI didn't expect him to go in that
type, although if you think aboutit, it makes logical sense that he
would because guess what he's making anexample of how horrific Los Angeles. A
relationship between Newsome and guess Going goesway back. I think I even a

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photo of the two of them fromlike, I don't know, fifteen years
ago or something like that, butit was, it was. It was
amazing that DeSantis just nailed him withgascon and I'm grateful that he did.

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I'm grateful he made an example forthe entire country to hear about what Los
Angeles is suffering through. Now youyou've been you've been very vocal in your
support for a need for change atthe district attorney level here in La County.
And I know you're supporting, You'vegot a favorite candidate and you're supporting,

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But the most important thing you're you'refavoring is change. And I think
I think the thing that we needto understand is how consequential this race is.
Now. I kind of laid outhomicide rates, but you can use
that as a barometer for what's goingon in violent crime. In Los Angeles
County and property crimes, and andyou're seeing that as well, and you're

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writing stories about it. You're you'retalking about the relationship between the sheriff and
gas Going as well. And oneof the things we talked about and I
got CC she's going to be comingon my show January third, and we're
going to dig into a lot ofdetail here, but I really want to
talk about the failure of gas GoingAnd when Gascne was running, you know,
I think I talked to you aboutthis little bit gas Going is running.
He was running in primary against JackieLacy, a great lady, a

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moderate Democrat, good prosecutor, andthey bird doctor everywhere they went to crush
her campaign, and gascon got twelveup to twelve million dollars from Soros to
get elected. You know, butthe consequence of his election has been dramatic
for La County and the consequence ofthis this I would say that this is

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the number one race in La Countybecause we're I mean, I'm sorry,
in the in the state. Becauseit's setting a tone and it's setting a
message to all of these politicians,because those politicians who once they were all
Democrats, so this is an internalfight with Democrats. I'm a Republican.
Fair warning is the first they supportedLacy until the primary ended, and then
when it was her and Gascone,they off flipped the support Gascon. So

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they own these failures. That's whyit's really important. And I'm glad that
you wrote the article about it's nationalimportance, but it is important to the
men and women who live in LaCounty and the men and women in law
enforcement. Do you want to addto that? Yeah, well, I
mean Gascon has been nightmare since hetook office, and thankfully your next guest,

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Jonathan A. Tommy, has beenvocal about it since day one.
Okay, no other candidate has donethat. That's number one. Number two,
when I learned about the tourship betweenGascon and Sheriff Luna out on the
floor and I could not pick itup because now you're talking about collusion in

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my mind on how to destroy destroypublic safety in La County and at that
national level, at that debate,I'm sure to stand no clue the mentorship
between Gascon and the sheriff. Okay, I mean it's so dumbfounding because I

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know for sure and I've said thismany times before that if the true nature
of that relationship had been revealed duringthe campaign, I don't think Luna would
have been noted in. And thatis course providing, providing we did have
a fair election at that time,which I couldn't really tell you for sure
because I definitely don't care ass onefairly. Well. I think that's the

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other thing, you know. I'mgonna I'm going to close with this comment,
Ceci, and I appreciate you comingon again, and I want you
to sharpen your knife and tune upand sharpen your pen and write some more
stories because we're going to talk aboutthe District attorney's race on January third,
when you're going to be my primaryguest, so you'll have forty minutes to

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us. But one of the otherthings that is most important is the DA
is the person that oversees election integrityin the LA County. Yes, I
do have somebody coming on in acouple of weeks. It's going to talk
about the lack of election integrity inLA County. And that's another reason why
these Soros funded DA's strategically placed inthese democratic counties are so dangerous, and

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they need to be replaced. Andyou know I appreciate you coming on again.
CC. You know I'm going tocut you off before Jonathan comes on.
Do you want to say hello toJonathan real quick? And then oh
there goes my light again. Sorryguy, Hi Jonathan, We see you
well. Well Merry Christmas. CC. I think that the next time it
got down after after Christmas, andso I want you to have a great

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holiday, and and thank you forjoining me yet again, and I keep
up the keep up the good work. You can find CC on the Epex
Time, but she also is I'mlosing there we go Epoch Time, but
it's uh okay, tell me yourother publication, got it? Thank you.
The Current Report dot com. Youcan go there and you can find

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most of her thoughts and articles there. Go to a website and you look
put past the historical stuff. Butyou can also find her on the Epoch
Times. And I certainly help guidesome subjects and I do have. I'll
give you a call later because Igot another subject for you to write on.
But anyways, thank you CECI forcoming on and take care now.

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My next guest is is somebody whowas an early critic of George Gascon and
a regular critic of George gas Goingand we follow each other on Twitter and
you can find me at li sdJordan on Twitter. And you know,
he he also gained some level ofnotoriety because he handled the Gabriel Fernandez case

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and which was turned into a docuseries on Netflix, The Trials of Gabriel
Fernandez, which was a very tragicsituation in which he was murdered I think
by his mom and her boyfriend.But then the system, you know,
broke down and let him down.And Jonathan he advocates for the victims of

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child abuse. He prosecutes those cases, and he prosecuted that case, and
you know, and I just havea warm place in my heart for the
prosecutors take those on. At onetime, I thought about going to child
abuse and I just couldn't myself.It's just one of those things, you
know, there's a certain amount oftolerance you have for the stuff that you
see every day, and people whodeal with abusive children. I have a

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special place in my heart for thembecause it's work that needs to be done
and it's something that's a passion forhim that came out in the Netflix series,
but also Jonathan is running for districtattorney, and that's what we're here
to talk to today about. There'shis let's go over listen. Tommy for
disc Attorney. Is time to restorepublic safety, bring transparency back to the

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people's office, hold wrongdoers accountable,and make real, meaningful reform. That's
his tagline. And I think it'stime for us to bring Jonathan ho Tommy
on and say hello, and let'sput his website on the bottom there if
we can, so that people canpull up your website. Jonathan, you
know, hello and welcome to theshow. Thank you so much for having

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me. All right, so what'dyou think of my rant my lead in
any grists there that you want totalk about anything else? No, I
think it. I think it's reallygood. I would tell you this.
As far as the homicide rate goes, they just came out with a study
last week and if you look atit, they talk about the homicides of
homeless individuals and they said, betweentwenty seventeen and twenty nineteen, when Jackie

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Lacy was the DA, we hadabout one hundred and nine homicides regarding to
homeless individuals. Between twenty twenty oneand twenty twenty three, under George Gascon,
we had two hundred and thirty fourhomeless individuals who were killed as a
result of homicide. That's over onehundred percent increase just in that short time

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of individuals who are homeless. Sothere's a lot of statistics out there that
clearly show that crime has increased.And you know what happened really is is
between about twenty eleven and twenty twentyyou had AB one oh nine, then
you had Prop forty seven, thenyou had Prop fifty seven, and so
those three criminal justice I guess reformlaws, you know, because I always

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talk about the word reform. Reformis supposed to make things better, you
know, I mean, and thesethings haven't made anything better, so they're
clearly not and progress progressives. Progressmeans me being better. These are really
regressive policies that have been implemented,and what they've done is they turned around,
you know, we created a systemwhere we started actually holding people accountable

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and responsible for their crimes and makingpublic safety important and making Los Angeles a
safe place to live and raise ourchildren. And over the last ten or
twelve years, a lot of thosethings have been undone by ab one oh
nine, Prop forty seven, andProp fifty seven. And what really impacted
us now is two things. OneGeorge gascon but number two the complete defunding

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and demoralization of the police departments,where you have so many police officers here
in Los Angeles who are leading,so many skilled police officers and experienced police
officers who are leaving and retiring,so many police departments who can't hire anybody
anymore. Basically, police officers weredemoralized and they feel like they can't even
do their job and nobody supports them. We have a large amount of individuals

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committing suicide in the police department.And so those are the two big things
now going on over to the lastprobably three years or so that have really
impacted Los Angeles. Is a veryradical uh DA who doesn't want to prosecute
crime. And then and then thethe the destruction of you know, our

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police officers and not supporting them andnot looking out for them, and then
not filing cases. So when policeofficers work up cases and they bring them
to the DA's office, people don'trealize that it's up to us to file
those cases and that we're not doingthat is allowing a lot of individual individuals
to be released and sent back outinto the community to commit more crime,

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and then a lot of police officersto feel demoralized because we're not prosecuting those
cases. So I, you know, you started out talking about homeless,
which is I don't know if you'reaware or not, but I sit on
the board of the foundation board forthe LA Mission and I was down on
the Wednesday before Thanksgiving, you know, helping them serve their They do a
turkey meal for the homeless down theirend skid Row. I caught COVID from

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it, but I was down there, you know, serving serving the homeless,
and uh, you know, Iused to track suicides of the home
ar I'm sorry overdose deaths of thehomeless, because you're talking about homicide rates,
but also the overdose rate is criticalamongst the homeless community, and our
failure to interdict the narcotics going tothese open air drug markets at homeless is

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contributing not only to the homicide ratethat you profile, but also to the
overdose rate. Now, I thoughtthat maybe fentanyl was killing them, but
I talked to somebody said no,it's still methaphetamine. Because they're so afraid
of fentanyl. I mean, someof the most vulnerable people in our society
are the homeless people, and Ijust think that the left has let them

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down. So I appreciate that youLea you have led with that because it
is critically important, and it iscritical failure at the state level and certainly
at the local level. But Iwanted to ask you, so, let's
say you're running for DA. Obviouslybecause of these failures with with you gas
Going. I'm confident that you havesome concerns with the Soros funded DA movement

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around the country as well. I'msure you're tracking them as well. But
let's let's say you're elected. Right, Let's say you know, you get
past the primary, you beat George, you send him to retirement somewhere,
and what are the first two orthree things that you're going to want to
do to correct this negative these negativeactions of George gas Going and chief just
a dovetail real quick. I'm aveteran of the United States Army. I

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spent seven years active in the Army, and we have a lot of veterans
who are homeless, especially in California. We have the most veterans of any
state in the United States who arehomeless, and so the homeless is it
is dear to my heart as well. And so people don't realize that open
air drug markets, safe injection sites, those things are inhumane. They don't

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help anyone. We need to weneed to look at recovery and helping individuals
and doing that, and Georgia Gasconjust doesn't. And it's really really disappointing.
But I'll tell you the three thingsthat will do. Number one,
as DA is, we will startfollowing the law. What does that mean.
We will prosecute allegations, enhancements,crimes. If things can be proven

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beyond a reasonable doubt and those casesare brought to our office, we will
prosecute those. So if you're usinga firearm and you're killing individuals, we
will charge the firearm allegation. Ifyou're a gang member and you're killing individuals,
we'll charge the gun allegation and thegang allegation. If you go and
break a child's arm or fracture ababy's rib, we will charge the great
bodily injury allegation. If you commita hate crime, we will charge the

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hate crime allegation. So we willstart charging allegations and enhancements, and following
the law. If you deal fetnallto kids and kill kids, and we
can prove it beyond a reasonable doubt, we will charge second degree murder.
If you commit a street takeover andyou kill teenagers or kids, we will
charge second degree murder if we canprove that beyond a reasonable doubt. So

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we will start following the law.We will go to prole hearings are up
for parle, we will send aprosecutor to parole hearings to make sure that
that victim or family member is fullylooked after, to make sure we're fighting
for their rights, to make sureif somebody is a convicted killer or a
serial rapist and that person hasn't beenrehabilitated and they're dangerous, to make sure

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that we fight to make sure theydon't get released so they can't hurt anybody
else in the public. So wewill actually start following the law. We
will also prosecute misdemeanors resisting arrest,disturbing the peace, public, drunkenness,
in decent exposure. We will startprosecuting in decent exposure. We can't have
individuals harassing employees and patrons and businessowners and that continues to happen. We

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can't have people down on the metroharassing people trying to use public transportation,
and so we will actually start lookingout for individuals, protecting the public,
prosecuting crime. We will not haveblanket policies, So those policies will be
removed day one. They don't work. We need a case by case analysis
of each indivi visual case, andthat requires making sure we do the work

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and do the job that we needto do. Number two, which is
incredibly important, is we're going tostart looking out for victims, survivors,
and for surviving family members. We'regoing to start making sure that we're standing
up and fighting for children, fightingfor vulnerable victims, fighting for victims of
hate crime. We're going to makesure that we actually are working with our

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victim groups and collaborating with them,and making sure we're collaborating with our law
enforcement partners, our justice partners tomake sure that we're all fighting for victims,
fighting for survivors, and fighting forsurviving family members. That means making
sure we have victim advocates, makingsure they get to do victim impact statements,
making sure they have a say inany dispositions or settlements of cases,

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making sure they have a say whenwe're filing cases, making sure our mission
is to look out for one another, making sure we're looking out for public
safety for all of our victims,survivors, it's for surviving family members.
And number three is we're going tohave a working environment that is open,
honest, transparent, supports working families, Supports our employees, supports our district

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attorneys, supports our district attorney investigators. We have four hundred district attorney investigators,
were the seventh largest police department inLa County. Making sure we're supporting
them, making sure we're supporting ourstaff. We won't have hostile work environments.
We won't be moving people around,or forcing people or punishing people for
actually doing their job, which isprosecuting crime. We're going to go back

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to doing our job as district attorneysand actually prosecuting crime. So get rid
of those blanket policies, start followingthe law, start actually prosecuting crime and
prioritizing public safety, making sure thatwe're fighting for our victims, and then
making sure that we have a goodworking environment where people feel like they want
to come to work we're short twohundred district attorneys. We need to bring

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in more district attorneys. That onlyhelps the public, much like the police,
where were short short police officers aswell, because we have leaders who
fail to lead. And part ofthat, which everybody needs to realize is
George Gascon has zero experience being aprosecutor. He has zero experience being an
attorney, and so he doesn't knowhow to lead from the front and lead

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by example. And that is somethingI will do day one. Now,
you have what seventeen years on theprosecutor's office, that correct, seventeen and
a half years, Yes, Ido. And you've worked with honorable men
and women who took an oath touphold the constitution for seventeen years. And
what is implied with gas going isthat those people did not act honorably and

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that they did not look out forthe rights of the suspect is what he
implies. And that's simply just notthe case. I mean, they make
the same allegation against law enforcement.And I saw that your wife was a
deputy. I didn't know that.I didn't know that about you, So
I think that's great too, Buttalk about you know, your relationships on
the District Attorney's office and the honorablemen and women that you've served with over

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the years, because I think it'simportant to spell that dishonest myth that he
has out there. So you know, you brought up that case of the
Mexican mafia. There's so many casesyou can bring up where George lacks integrity,
where he's doing a lot of thesebehind the scene deals. He's the
one who really lacks the integrity whenyou're meeting with victims and family members and
trying to course them and trick theminto a disposition on a case without being

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honest or having integrity about it,without doing it in open court, shows
you the type of person that heis, which is not a good person.
I'm married to a sixteen year veteranof the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department.
She's a detective. She's also themother of my children. I have
a ten year old and an eightyear old. One thing people need to

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understand is police officers are people.They're humans. They're brothers and sisters,
their moms and dads. They're peoplein our community who are a part of
our community. They're not just policeofficers. They have feelings, the going
through a lot of trauma themselves.They deal through a lot of things.
I can't handle any of my childmurder cases unless I have a really good

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detective who cares about those cases.And those cases are really hard. Most
people don't want to do them,and so these detectives work those cases very,
very hard. They have to goto the autopsy. I go to
the autopsy with them. These aredifficult challenges that happen amongst police officers.
Police officers are also victims. We'vehad, you know, two police officers

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in Omanti who were brutally murdered.We had a sheriff's deputy in Palmdale who
was assassinated. We've had police officersnow being victimized and attacked on a daily
basis. So they are also victims. We need to look out for them
as well. You cannot have aDA's office where you have this type of
relationship with law enforcement. We haveto work with law enforcement. We have

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to collaborate with them. We filetheir cases. They sit there and we
do trials. When we do preliminaryhearings, we rely on them to get
witnesses, to get evidence, andso we all need to work together,
and in doing so, you're goingto have a better product and provide more
public safety to the community. Andso it's sadly disappointing that every week George

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Gascon feels he needs to do apress conference and call out the police for
this case or that case or thiscase. It's sad that he paid somebody
one point five million dollars to comeinto our office to prosecute just police when
that person actually had no experience beinga prosecutor, and we already had Jason,
which is just the system Integrity Division. It's sad that he moved public

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defenders from their public defender position intoJACID to now prosecute police because they had
a bias towards police officers. Youdon't want prosecutors having a bias towards anyone
because obviously that would be unfair andit wouldn't be appropriate. And so I
believe in having Jason, We've hadit for a long time. I believe

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that police officers commit misconduct or commitcrimes, they should be held accountable just
like anybody else. I think allpolice officers feel that way. I think
they feel very strongly about that becausethey don't want their profession to be tarnished,
and so I fully believe that aswell. But that doesn't mean that
our entire focus is on that.That doesn't mean that we don't we push

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out to the public this false narrativethat somehow, you know, something like
this is happening and we need toget involved in it and do something about
it. We have been doing somethingabout it for a long time, and
so it's disappointing that we have aDA who manipulated the public and pushed out
this false narrative to get elected,and in doing so, he's completely demoralized

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most of the police officers here inLos Angeles. Well, I think let
me clarify for our audience. Firstof all, briefly, just Jason,
what's that stand for? So it'sa Justice Justice System Integrity Division, and
it's a unit that's just it's beena sign to look at cases involving police
misconduct or crimes of police officers,and it existed for a long time.

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But let's talk about the hoodwinking ofgas going by George Sorows. I mean,
to my I've heard reports up totwelve million dollars was used to get
him into office, and I waswatching the campaign with great interest, and
he really didn't lay out a platform. He just used the money to drownd
out everybody else to get elected.He drowned out the fact that everybody because

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he was the prosecutorup in San Francisco, but the leadership in San Francisco said,
don't elect this guy. Yet heused that twelve million dollars from sorrows.
Soros invested four million directly into apack to get this guy elected,
and then indirectly through through other packs, money came into And the reason why
this is so consequential, the reasonwhy for not only just locally but in

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the state of California and nationally,is the LA District Attorney's Office is the
largest local prosecutor's office in the country. If your sorrows and your goal is
to and you don't have to agreewith me on this, but your goal
is to undermine the fabric of theUnited States, the very first local prosecutor's
office you want in your crown jewelof corruption is the LA Prosecutor's Office,

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Right, And you want to getsomebody like gash Cone who's in competent,
and you know, I don't eventhink he's driven by ideology. I think
he's just driven by power and incompetence. But that's kind of what I see
this at. And I do appreciateyou bringing up the daylight. You know,
these guys operate behind closed doors andsuggest corruption and malign all the people

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that came before them, and thatis just plain dishonest. It's what they've
been doing to law enforcement for along time, and there is a lack
of accountability. But let's talk alittle bit about We talked about the Williams
case, but how many other caseshave they done this with that have not
seen the light of day and willnever know about. Do you have any
information on that? I do,so just to dove tell them what you

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just said. Twelve only five milliondollars was pumped into an IE, an
independent expenditure we call them ies inCalifornia, they call them packs around the
country. And it was funded byfourteen big donors. None of them live
here in Los Angeles. The mainone was George Soros. The rest where
they live in San Francisco or aroundin the United States. And what they

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did was they made it very political. The DA's race. George gascon ran
As George Gascon, Democrat for DA, and they pumped all these this politics
into the DA's office and manipulated individualsinto believing something that just wasn't true.
You know, I'm a Democrat,but I'm running for DA for everyone.

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We all deserve public safety, Republicansand Democrats, we all deserve to make
sure that our homes are safe.If you're a victim, it doesn't matter
if you're a Republican or a Democrat. If you're a defendant, it doesn't
matter if you're a Republican or aDemocrat. We're supposed to follow the law
and do the right thing. Andso it's disappointing that he manipulated and tricked
people and they made it about politics. As far as the DA's office goes,

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there are hundreds of cases chief wherethe DA is doing behind the scenes
stuff. There are hundreds of caseswhere they're trying to take all the cases,
all the capital punishment cases, whichare the most serious cases in LA.
So, just to lay it outto everyone, in Los Angeles,
we rarely seek the death penalty,and when we do, these are the

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most egregious cases, like somebody who'storturing and murdering a child like Gabriel Fernandez,
somebody who is a serial killer ora serial rapist and killer. It
has to have a murder with aspecial circumstance. Someone who murders a police
officer, someone who kidnaps, molesses, murders a child, someone who goes

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into a school and kills children.Those are the cases where we have one
hundred percent evidence, where they're verysolid cases. Those are only the case
is we did see capital punishment underJackie Lacy, and so he now has
hired people to go behind the scenesand destroy all those cases, all those
convictions, and get them all beforea judge and either reduce those cases to

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life without the possibility of prole orreduce those cases to some sort of life
term punishment, therefore hoping that theycould be eligible for prole. Because what
happens is if you take a deathsentence and make it life without the possibility
of the prole, then the governorcan commute LWOP to a regular life sentence

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and then you could potentially be eligiblefor prole, where on a capital case
you cannot be eligible for prole evenif it's reduced to LWOP obviously, because
it's life without the possibility of prole. So this is what they're doing,
is manipulating these cases and trying toget people out of custody or people who
have LWOP cases, get them beforea judge and to try to get them

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out, just like that Mexican mafiacase. They'll say they they're not,
but that's exactly what they're doing.Is they're trying to reduce the sentence.
And so once they do that,if that person's eligible for prole, then
what is George's policy? We can'tgo to a prole hearing in a fight
to make sure that they're kept incustody. So there is a method to
all of their madness. Prop fortyseven was the same thing they said,

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save schools and neighborhoods. Everybody thoughtthat sounded good. They passed it,
and look what's happening, and thenthey go off and dovetail off of that.
I could tell you last year theytried to pass a bill and Sacramento
that said if you got l WOPyou could still be eligible for prole and
certain types of crimes. Now thateverybody fought that and all the media got

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involved in it, thank goodness,and that that bill you ended up dying.
But this is what they do,is they start off on one thing
and they move it farther and fartherand farther ahead. And so Gascon is
now trying to change a lot ofthese cases, manipulate a lot of these
cases is and so he could reducethe sentence and therefore try to get them
eligible for parole so they can bereleased. Because his belief is that everybody

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evolves, even if you were atorturer and murder of children, even if
you've killed numerous police officers, evenif you're a mass murderer, even if
you're a serial rapist, he believesthose individuals evolve and at some point should
be released from custody. Well,and you know, as you heard me
in the first part of the hourI talked about, Well, that's translated

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into five hundred additional deaths in California. And since La County represents about a
quarter of the population in California,and most of that is centered in LA
County. And I could tell youfrom experience. I was a young sergeant
down at Carson Station and we hada guy named Derek Bettis who murdered a
chaplain ride along and assaulted a deputysheriff, shot half his face off.

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Luckily that guy survived and he wasup for parole, and they granted his
parole. They granted this guy's parole. He killed a chaplain, he stood
over him and executed him, andthey granted his parole. Now, I
used the platform that I was onat the time to protest that, and
we wrote some letters. I don'tknow what the outcome is yet, but

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that is the kind of stuff thatis quietly happening behind closed doors that these
corrupt I call them corrupt prosecutors becauseyou know what, if they believed in
what they were doing, they wouldshine the light of day on it.
But I want to back up alittle bit, and I want to talk
about the lawsuits. So I wasaware that George Gascon lost a lawsuit I

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want to say was for one pointfive million. But he's got a series
of lawsuits lined up from career prosecutorsthat been have been retaliated against, that
he's discriminated against. You want totalk a little bit about those those line
of lawsuits that we're facing here inAlley County, and that the taxpayers awfully
paid the money. So there's abouttwenty five now active lawsuits against George Gascon.

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I am a plaintiff in one ofthem, and so for my specific
one, I was the first DAof any DA to step forward and challenge
George Gascon's directives, and I wenton TV and talked about them and said
how difficult the situation was. Andwithin a matter of three days, he
came out through a spokesperson on televisionand called me unfit and delusional and said

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I was going to be disciplined,and he's been. You know, there's
been a hostile work environment ever since, and so it is difficult to come
to work every day and have somebodywho was against your normal job. My
job is the prosecute child murderers.I've been doing that for about seven years
downtown in the complex child abuse unit. George Gascon came in day one and

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said I couldn't do that, saidthat if there was allegations enhancements or prior
strikes or things he didn't believe in, we had to remove them, even
on cases that were pre existing.And so as you know, when you
go into court, you're you know, you've taken an oath to make sure
that you have integrity and to prosecutecases, when we file complaints and allegations

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and enhancements, when we do preliminaryhearings, when we put witnesses up,
when we do grand juries. Youjust can't go into court a year later
and say, just because the DAdoesn't believe in something, we're going to
have a do over. That's justnot how our system works. Our system
works in a way of integrity.Our system works in a way of making
sure that DA's are doing the rightthing, and so the Gascon doesn't care

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about that. So we've had alot of lawsuits from that. He's moved
individuals to different areas because he doesn'tlike them. We've had a lot of
lawsuits regarding that. He's punished individualswho don't believe in his policies, regarding
prior strikes, regarding his juvenile policy, regarding other policies. I could tell
you for three years I had nevermet George Gascon. He had never once.

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We work in the same building inHaull of Justice. Are work on
the ninth floor, he works onthe twelve floor. There. Number once
did he come to my office.Never once did we talk. The first
time I met him was at thedebate in Santa Monica. I had never
met him before then, which showsyou he's just really he's not a good
leader. Definitely poor leadership qualities andabilities to not even meet with your employees

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is definitely disappointing. But the environmentin the office is difficult. It's really
hard for a lot of the das. I feel bad for so many of
them. A lot of them areunder stress, a lot of them,
you know, don't feel like comingto work, a lot of them feel
retaliated against. Uh. You know, there are some who have been suspended,

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there are some who got in troublefor doing the right thing. There's
there's some who get ridiculed. It'snot a good working environment. And what
happens is, like you said,at the end of the day, you
know, the DA works for thecounty and so he's protected. So who
we're suing is the county. Sothe people who are going to suffer the

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most are are the citizens because they'rethe taxpayers. And so that's the disappointing
thing. I'm so it's amazing thatno political elected current leader has stepped forward
and said George Gascon should not bethe DA and these things need to stop.
The only one I know of isCatherine Barger, who did support the

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recall, who did step forward andsay George Gascon is not doing his job.
But she is the only elected officialI know in the entire La County
that is currently elected that has saidsomething. All the rest just are silent.
They don't say anything, and Ijust think that lacks leadership. Here's

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the thing, it doesn't matter whatpolitical party you belong to. If somebody
is doing a bad job and committingunethical things, no matter if they're Democrats
or Republicans, they should be calledout and we should make sure those individuals
are removed from office. And sothat's the thing. It doesn't matter your
party. We work for the peopleand we all should be doing the right

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thing. And so it's sad thatnot more elected officials have stepped forward and
said stuff about Gaston on what's goingon in our office, in the DA's
office. Well, my goal isto call out those politicians between now and
March fifth, and we got fiveminutes left, so I really want to
dive into one subject that's I thinkthe only time we have left for it,
and that's zero zero. The notionof zero bail can you lay out

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where we're at with bail in LaCounty and where you would like to go
that you would advocate for if youwere the DA. So the first thing
I want people to understand is wedon't have just zero bail for every crime.
So there is money bail. SoGascon and the county will constantly say,
oh, we don't have money bail. No, for all violent felonies,

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we have money bail. So nomatter what they tell you about being
poor or being rich or this orthat, we have money bail. So
it's interesting that they constantly say they'reagainst money bail, but we actually have
it for all violent felonies. Sofor every violent felony there is money bail
and and it's and it's inputted throughthe bail schedule. What what has changed

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is for nonviolent felonies and for misdemeanors, all of them, we don't have
money bail anymore. We have adifferent system and it's based on the crime.
The problem with that is you havecrimes like smash and grab, burglaries,
organized retail theft, conspiracy, grandtheft, those type of cases are

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now zero bail. You have youhave crimes like elder abuse, child abuse,
sexual battery, those type of crimesare our magistrate review. But the
presumption is zero bail, and themagistrate can't set can't set money bail.
You've put a huge, big responsibilityon the police now they have to not

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only when they arrest people, theyhave to actually go through a process if
they want to go through magistrate review, and they have to go through a
process if they want to get bail. That's something the das used to do.
Now the police, who are shortstaffed now they have to do that
as well. So you have manymore people who are cite and release or
book and release, and many ofthese crimes they commit repeat offenses because that's

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the other problem with the magistrate reviewis there's no rule that if you commit
repeat offenses, there's somebody should institutemoney bail. And so I think they
created a policy. They did ittoo fast. I think they created a
policy where they invited all these electedleaders to testify and nobody showed up,
not even the sheriff and not eventhe chief of LAPDE. But they didn't

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invite victim organizations. They didn't invitethe mayors of all these cities, and
so I think they created a policyway too fast. Number one. Number
two, I'm against a blanket zerobail policy for just the crime. So
basically, if you say you're committingmatch and grab burglaries, or you're committing
organized retail theft, or you're committingconspiracy, automatically it's zero bail. I'm

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against that. Or sexual battery orelder abuse or child abuse, it's presumptive
zero bail on magistrate review, I'magainst that. I think everybody should go
before a judge within forty eight hours. So people get arrested, they go
before a judge within forty eight hours, unless it's low less so there's some
low level misdemeanors. And I haveit on my website that I think,

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Okay, we're not going to sendeverybody to a judge. We just don't
have the ability to do that,and I just don't think we should.
I think that's where sometimes abuses happen, but all felonies, for sure,
you should go before a judge withinforty eight hours, and the judge should
determine where there's a DA there,where there's where there's a defense attorney there,
everybody's represented. A judge can determinethe crime if you have repeat offenses,

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what's your prior record, if there'sviolence in your past, if you
have failures to appear. Is therea victim, is the victim present?
Is the victim scared? This person'sgoing to be released. Do you actually
have a job where you're going togo if you are going to be released.
Do you have a place or ahome to stay. Is it safer
for you to be released than havemoney bail? Those things need to be

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all considered. They should be consideredbefore a judge. They should do it
in that forty eight hour period,and then I believe that's the safest way
regarding bail. And I think thatprioritizes public safety over prioritizing the criminal or
the affordability of bail. Right now, they are prioritizing the criminal and the
affordability of bail. I don't believein oppressive bail, but as the DA,

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I believe in public safety. Thatmeans that we should prioritize public safety
as DA. If I became DAday one and we still had this policy,
one of the things I would dois institute bail deviation motions. I
would get with the police and fora lot of these cases for smashing grabs,
we would do bail deviation motions andforce these individuals to go before a

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judge within forty hours and say wewant bail and here's the reasons why we
want it. Okay, well,we got to wrap up here. But
at what I want to just parafrate. What you're talking is a risk based
system. We'll assess the risk,we'll make the decision, and then then
we will set bail, which iswhat I agree with. I was on
the bail reform stuff for La County. I was always pulled into these leftist

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kind of things even though I'm aRepublican. But you know I agree with
you a risk based assessment. JonathanTomani, thank you for coming on my
show. You can catch Jonathan's websiteat wwwdonathanatommy dot com. Make a donation.
This is probably the most consequential electionin LA County and probably California,
and I think it's certainly an importantnational case. Jonathan twenty seconds. Anything

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else to say, I would loveyour support, I would love your vote.
I'm running for DA for all ofyou to make sure your children are
safe, to make sure your familyis safe, and to bring back public
safety in Los Angeles. Thank youso much. You are welcome to stick
around for a debrief Jonathan afterwards,and thank you for watching the show folks
and listening to the show. AndAmanda, you can take it away.