September 17, 2025 • 51 mins
On this episode of Bringin’ It Backwards, Adam and Tera Lisicky sit down with fast-rising singer-songwriter Avery Lynch for an open and honest conversation about her remarkable journey from a small town in Pennsylvania to the heart of LA’s music scene. Avery opens up about how her musical gift was discovered at just five years old, when she could play songs by ear on her childhood keyboard, and how those early talents eventually led her to the Berklee College of Music—and some unconventional ways of making the most out of her college experience.
Avery reveals how hitting “post” on a TikTok clip changed everything, inviting her first brush with virality, a fiercely loyal fanbase, and the wild ride of refreshing the page as followers and views skyrocketed. She explains the inspiration behind her beloved "as Written" projects, sharing why stripping back her songs to their rawest, original form is a gift back to her fans and a return to her creative roots.
The interview takes us behind the scenes of Avery’s creative process, how she built an intensely dedicated fan community using Instagram’s Close Friends feature, the realities of navigating an unpredictable music industry, and the importance of sticking with your craft even when the algorithms—and the odds—shift against you.
If you’re an aspiring artist, this episode is packed with the kind of heartfelt, hard-won advice that only comes from someone who’s lived through the highs and lows of finding your voice in today’s unpredictable digital music landscape. Hit play, and don’t forget to subscribe to Bringin’ It Backwards for more interviews where musicians share the stories behind their success.
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What is going on? It is Adam. Welcome back to Bringing It Backwards, a
podcast where both legendary and rising artists tell their own
personal stories of how they achieved stardom.
On this episode, we had a chance to hang out with Avery lynch
over Zoom Video. Avery was born and raised
in Pennsylvania and talks about how she got into music.
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At age 5, Avery had a little keyboard and.
And she was able to hear songs and kind of mimic them
on this little keyboard. Her parents ended up getting her
a bigger keyboard and putting her in some lessons. It didn't take
long for her parents to see that Avery was really, really gifted. And
she went to school one day, came back home, and was playing a Rihanna
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song on the keyboard just by ear. Avery did piano lessons
all the way until she left for college. Attended college at Berkeley School of
Music. She talked about writing her first songs, having a
big moment on TikTok, or a bunch of big moments
on TikTok, really. But she dives into one of the times where
her video went viral and the first viral video she had and what that
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was like, you know, refreshing the page all the time and
seeing how many followers is going up and views.
It was really exciting to hear her talk about that. But Avery
talks about the success of her first releases, the idea behind
releasing as Written, the very first as Written,
she recently released as Written Volume two.
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So Avery discusses the song she chose for as Written Volume
two. We talk about the three songs she added
to the album, the three unreleased ones. You can
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Wherever you listen to podcasts, we're Bringing. It Backwards with
Avery Lynch.
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Bringing it backwards.
Bringing it backwards. Bringing it backwards.
Bringing it back.
Hello. Hi, Avery. How are you? Good. How are you?
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I am fantastic. Thank you so much for doing this.
Oh, my gosh, of course. Thank you so much for having me. Of course.
I'm Adam and this is all about you and your journey
in music. And obviously we'll talk about the album you just
put out. Yeah. So
I just released as Written Volume two.
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It is my second volume of
my as Written projects.
It is a personal favorite project to do
as well as a like a Fan favorite
it. When I first released my like original Azer
project, I didn't know that. That it would like bring so
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many new people into my sphere and that it would
mean so much to so many people and that they actually wanted it. I
originally started doing it because at the time
all of the songs were first introduced on TikTok as
just me singing and playing them.
So they only knew them in that way. And when I. Yeah, so when you
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release them and it's a different ver, obviously it sounds completely different. Yeah,
quite different. Yeah. So I wanted to give them
the versions that they originally like fell in love with.
And so that was the whole like idea of that as written.
Because also everybody knows that I would post the song
immediately after I wrote it. I would write it and then in that
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same breath, not even getting up from the piano, would take a video
and post it. And that's just what I did like basically
every day of summer 2020. Wow. And
so it was very much as written. I just played
exactly how it is. And
so then after I released my first cp, I was like, let's give them all
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these versions and throw on a few new ones so that
there's like new music to look forward to. And
one of the songs, one of the new
songs that were was on that project called All I Need. The
Distance Song ended up now being
my top stream song, which is cool. It's not like
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it doesn't have the most streams, but it gets the most streams daily and it
has for years. That's great. It will be. It
will definitely be, but I was just not
expecting that at all. And so this
was kind of my follow up for it. I've released I
think three eps in between.
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I did the one at ep, the Kids Table EP and the
Friction Collection. So I was like, it's time.
So now I'm just going to take like the tracks from each of
those projects and then like a personal favorite,
redo those and then
exactly how I, you know, played them on TikTok over the years
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and then give them three new ones.
The. Yeah, yeah, the last three on the out on the record are. Yeah,
the newer. The three new ones, right? Yes, correct. So
it's very fun. It's a very like low, low
stakes, low pressure
project which is really nice to
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have take a breath.
It's just me and my. And my boyfriend Jordan who do the
as ridden and so it's literally just us in our, in
our house for like a year making a project and
then I get to then all the pressure
comes next with all the brand new music and the new everything,
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so. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think it's really awesome.
I love that you did that. You know, even with the first one, you know,
kind of going back to what really started to what build you a
fan base, right? Was TikTok in the beginning and then kind
of giving that back to your fans and saying, hey, you know, I didn't forget
about you. These. I know that you love these. Rid these versions that I did,
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you know, just on my camera, on my piano, let's,
you know, release these to the, to the world or record them, you
know. Thank you. Yeah, it's really fun. It's very fun. And people are
starting to like write in their bios,
like their name and then as written next to it, which is a very cool
little thing because it's like the Taylor's version kind of idea.
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Yeah, yeah, no, totally. I love that. That's awesome. That's really,
really awesome. So where, okay, you're
born and raised in Wood. Philly. Is that what I saw? Or Pennsylvania. Oh, okay.
Pennsylvania. Tell me about that.
I am from a town called Doylestown,
Pennsylvania. I love it there.
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I'm totally an east coast girl. It's
pretty crazy actually, the amount of people who
are from that area or just like kind of the greater Philadelphia
area who are in my lane as
well as like people who are now like going there.
It's very interesting. Lots of like huge celebrities are like moving there, which is
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really strange. Like the Hadids live there
and there's. It's actually been confirmed that Taylor Swift just bought a house
there yesterday. Really kind of confused because
it's a very small town, but
I love it there. It's very. The. The town
that I live in, I live in like the borough and it's all
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Victorian houses and it's very. If you know, Gilmore Girls,
which. I'm obsessed with Gilmore Girls. It's. It's very
Gilmore Girls esque. So I love, I love Victorian
homes. They're so. Yes. It's so cool.
So I grew up there, lived there forever, and then
moved to Boston for school. I went to
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Berkeley for a second and transferred to a business
school, a business school called Suffolk, which is
like 15 minutes away, just by train in the city.
It's right in the middle of the city and I got my business
degree there, so. But I. Everyone at Berkeley thought I still went to
Berkeley, which was great because I just got all benefits of Berkeley without paying
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for it any more than I already did for Like a
year. Right, right. And then from there, I
technically moved back home for a second, and then now I'm in la.
Okay, you're in LA now. I wasn't sure if you're in New York, if you
stayed on the East Coast. Awesome. So when.
How do you get into music? Do you come from, like, a musical family,
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creative household, anything like that? Everyone is very
creative. Nobody does music.
Nobody at all, actually. And both of my parents are,
like, businessy people. Okay. And. But
I have two older sisters, and the three of us have all kind of
indulged ourselves in different creative paths. So
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my oldest sister is a creative writer. My middle sister
is a photographer and designer, and then I am the
musician. So we all kind of share little things.
Yeah. Do you utilize them on any of your, like, at
least photography would be a big one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. My. My
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sister Reagan, she takes lots of photos for me. She comes to any,
like, shows that are near her and she does all the pictures.
She's also. She writes poetry. So we actually have
a song that we wrote together that's going to be on a future thing.
Yeah. Very cool. So they're. We're all
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very creative, but we don't exactly know
why parents aren't. Everybody loves
music. They're all huge music
listeners and they all need to have music playing all
day every day, but none of them have really even picked up
an instrument. So I don't exactly. You started
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piano early though, right? Wasn't that with.
With like a little toy piano? I think I was like five or six.
Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah, very little.
And I was playing songs that I, like, heard
like, that I knew, and I was just like, playing the melody of
them. Oh, my gosh. Like, oh, we should like, get you
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a bigger keyboard and like, sign you up for piano lessons. And
then as soon as I got the bigger keyboard, I, like, came
home from school and I heard at school,
I think it was. What song was. It was a
Rihanna song. It might have been
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Umbrella.
And I came home and I played it on the piano, like in full.
And my mom was like, honey, like,
what is going on? You're eight years old and
you don't really know how to play piano. Like, you're only in a group class.
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So then I was kind of like, escalated to just like
private lessons. And I can't
read music very well. I have this, like, fun little thing
with my vision where my eyes block out
some, like, letters and numbers and things when I read.
So it kind of looks like something spilled white out On a page when I
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read. And so I have to kind of keep going back over and reading. Yeah,
it's like, is that a form of dyslexia? Because I have a similar. It is,
yeah. I know. It's not just that you just switch letters and
numbers around. It's like, you could look at a word because
I have the same thing. I'll look at a word and it just looks like
jumbo. Like, I'm like, yeah, it looks. I don't even know how to start
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sounding it out. You know what I mean? Yes. They
said, like, we're just going to call it, like, a form of dyslexia, because they
did. They literally, like, scanned my brain to make sure.
Have some kind of, like, tumor or something that was
able to, like, read. So
it's actually really funny that you say that, that you. Yeah, they called. They were
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like, we're just gonna call it, like, a form of dyslexia. Yeah,
that's what you have. And. But because I have that,
reading music is extremely hard because it's just, like,
literal black dots on a page. How am I supposed to
see that at all? So I just do everything by
ear. And when I went to music school for a second, it was like, the
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hardest brain work I've ever done ever. Like,
especially for Berkeley, because don't you have to, like, sight read and do
all of it? All of it. And all of your, like, written exams are, like,
writing out the notes. Composition. Yeah. Annotating
everything. And it's like. It was. It was
like, the hardest math I've ever done in my life.
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No, it really is, though. I mean, music has so much to do with math
and numbers and patterns, and it's like, yeah, yeah, it's. Wow,
crazy. So I just. I do everything by ear. And then now.
Now it, like, it works out great because I don't have to take a test
on it, so I don't need to look at. At the note. Right. Well,
that's what's funny is, like, you when you said you went to Berkeley and then
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left after a year. No, nothing against Berkeley by any means.
Obviously, it's an incredible school. But, like, I've had a lot of people on this
podcast that have went there, and that'll. They'll either, like,
they'll achieve kind of what they wanted to do, like, within the first year
or two, and it's like, well, why am I gonna keep going? I just signed
a record deal. Why do I need to stay honest?
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Honestly, it's just so expensive. I wanted to
make the connections and meet people and get to, like, put myself
in that space and then live beside that space
was, like, kind of my goal. I knew that I would never be able to
afford to actually graduate from that school, but it was the only school I wanted
to go to, so I, like, went. And then a year in, I was like,
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okay, well, can't afford to pay, you know,
$65,000 a year, so I'm just gonna
head on over right down the street to this school.
That's like an eighth of the price. But I'm gonna keep on living with
Berkeley people. My key card still works in the Berkeley
buildings, and nobody's gonna know. And I even, like. I told my professors
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about it because they wrote me, you know, like, the letters of
recommendation to go to business school, and
they were like, you know, you're hacking the Berkeley system. Like, we're not gonna
tell anybody, but you're a genius. And I was like,
I know. Yeah. They're like, you're getting all the perks and meeting all the
people. All the perks of Berkeley. Yeah. Yeah.
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And just going to. And getting a degree, but else. Yeah,
right. But elsewhere more so much less.
It's actually crazy. So it was. It worked out great.
It worked out. But do you. Would you said. Do you have,
like, perfect pitch or you can just know. You can just kind of hear, like,
when you go home, you like. You to play umbrella or whatever to come
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on. Like, I know this is the right note. Not
maybe you have the right progression, but you're not in the right key. You
know what I mean? Yeah, It's. It's probably not in the right key.
I have relative pitch, so I
get within, like, a note, like,
on either side. So I really could,
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like, know for a fact that it's like, say it's A, but because
I know I have relative, I should probably say it's B and I would get
it right. Or it could be G. So, you know. Oh, I see what you're
saying. Like one to, like, one and a half. Like, another half
step away. I haven't tested it in a long
time, but it's.
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It. It's all, like, kind of pointless when you're not, like,
in music school. Like, nobody thinks it's cool. Like, there's no reason to use it,
so. Right. And it's like, relative is the most
pointless thing ever. Like, oh, I can get it really close. Right.
But it's not the same. Yeah. So I just, like, play by ear.
So, like, I know what the song sounds like. And I can play the song.
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It just might not be in the exact original key. Like it'll tuning or. Yeah,
yeah. However it is. Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome, though.
That's really awesome. So you obviously, your parents see that you have this gift
with music, and then they. You said they got put in private lessons and kind
of accelerated out of this group thing where you're probably
just learning chopsticks or, you know, whatever. Yes. And then
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do you continue on with piano? Like, are you. Do you love it or
does it become a point where you're like, you know, I don't know
if I still enjoyed. I don't know. Maybe you can. Lessons, I
think till I was like, 18, I did. Yeah, I did
lessons all the way until I went to college. My vocal
lessons stopped really being vocal lessons. Like, I
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never really had true vocal training. My
lessons kind of were mainly around songwriting
and structure and just kind of like making songs just in general,
which I got way more out of, I think, than I would have.
Like, obviously in my career. I got way more out of, yeah, 100,
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like, the. The vocal lesson part. But I definitely, like, I have a very
small voice, and that's because I. I was never
trained to be any more than that small voice.
So that's kind of all I got. But I. It's
actually really funny. My. The receptionist at my
school, like, my singing music school,
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she. I write with her every other week. She's on, like, every single song of
mine. Her name's Nisha Grace. She was the receptionist there. And at the
time, like, when I was like, 17, like, like starting 16,
she started working there. And my
vocal teacher was kind of
juggling a lot, so she wasn't super present
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in the. The lesson. So I would just kind of go and
she would just like, be there, but, like, not actually part of it.
So then Nisha would come into the room and it would just be us and
we would. We would write. And then when I went to college, we
would still write. And then I started
posting my things on TikTok and one of them, like, blew
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up and I was like, I gotta release this and will you help me finish
it? And she did. And then ever since then, so it's been like,
probably like eight years of us writing and we have
every other Monday. And that's where she's the only other
writer I work. I've, like, written a song with, like,
one or two other writers technically in my life.
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But, like, I don't really. I write everything by myself. Or with
the people the closest to me. So Nisha Jordan, my. My
boyfriend slash producer or my sister.
It's very like. That's correct. That's cool, though. Yeah.
Yeah. Wow. Okay. So you started writing songs together with
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her when you were still in high school then? Yeah. Okay.
And do you end up putting out any of those songs or you just kind
of just did them or did you. No, I just kind of did them. I
just, like, had them. I was just
kind of learning. I wrote songs, a lot of songs about basically nothing. Like, they
were completely meaningless. I didn't. I was a kid, so, like, I didn't
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know how to. I didn't know anything yet. And
it took a lot of time and practice and, like, life experience when I went
to college to, like, oh, this is like,
these are real relationships, and these are real, like, friendships, and this
is real life. Like, wow, I'm on my own. I'm growing up, all this stuff.
So I finally woke up from, like, being a kid, and then that's when my
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song started to, like, elevate so out of love with you.
My first, like, it was actually
my first song that I wrote. My first, like, real song that I wrote.
I wrote it in college and while I was still at
Berkeley, so my first year, and I didn't even end up
releasing it until 2020, so that was
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2018 or 2019. Wow. Was that the song that blew
up for you on Tick Tock as well? It did, yeah. That was the one
that. It got like
3.7 million views or something like that. And
it was crazy. Like, Meghan Trainor followed me and I was like, oh, my God.
Yeah, now, now. Our friends on Tik Tok. But a
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lot of, like, that. That was like, the video that
got me, like, any kind of attention,
really. And so then when I released that song,
it did really well. And I was like, that's crazy because I wrote this
so long ago, but sure. Like, I'll take it.
But yeah. Well, tell me about that because, I mean, you had songs out before
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that one, obviously, and it's not like they didn't do anything. I mean. Oh, yeah,
no, they did. They did. Yeah. Too is like, you know, millions of
streams. Yeah, no, that. They all did great. I
was shocked. I got really, really lucky, to be honest. I just got really lucky.
Like, the songs are good for sure, but. Oh, they're really good. Like, I think
my songs now are better, obviously, because I was 20 or
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21 then, so, like, obviously
I think my songs are better at the. At this current time. But Tick tock
is not what it. What it is anymore. So it used to be super
helpful. And
I was just kind of in everybody's faces for like a whole
year. I was like, every single video
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got at like a minimum 300,000 views.
That's so crazy. Crazy. I, like, didn't know what it was like, Like,
I thought if a video got 20,000 likes, they didn't actually like
that song. That's the way my brain worked. Because
that's why. That's just because you keep seeing, obviously you don't
as a creative person and you know, you. You get this song and it
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does well, and then the next one does well. It's like you're keep. You're gonna
keep relay raising the bar. It's not like it's
okay. Well, now every song that I does, anything, you know,
I'm gonna be happy about, you know? Yeah, you're
gonna try to be. Get 4 million, 5 million. You know what I mean?
It's not just, oh, it's, you know, 20,000. It's 20, 000. That's a
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lot. But that's what you should look at it. But likes, I would be like,
o. Would be like, oh, wow. Like, that video did
great because it's so. It's so different. Tik Tok, like,
was so nice to everybody for like a year or there
was just. The algorithm was just actually more real. Right? It was more.
More like if he gets on the for you page enough people care, then.
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Yeah, then it'll keep on going. And like, I just wish it would
go back to that just for a second or just for some of us,
like, because, like, I. I share the same
feelings with all of my peers. Right. We're all just
so tired and we miss it because we were like, we don't
even reach our own followers anymore on that app. It's just. You don't on
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any of them probably. No, no, no. Absolutely not. Yeah, I had
a band on one time. Like, even during the pandemic. Like, I.
I don't want to throw them under the bus, but yeah, they had. They have
a couple at the time. They probably have way more now, but they had like
a couple hundred thousand followers on Instagram. And then they. The one guy was going
off, he's like, yeah, then I get. We get like 1800 likes on
something, and I know, you know, all 200,000
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people didn't just scroll past the thing. Yeah,
yeah, but that's just everything. Everything got
harder. Tick tock got harder. Instagram got harder.
Your people just don't see you anymore and things don't convert anymore.
It's really weird. It's a very weird space. I'm hoping that
things. I'm hoping that that means that something's going
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to change soon, you know? Yeah, I mean, I
don't. I just. I'm old and I've seen all of these
platforms kind of come and go and they usually run in a
cycle, you know, obviously of about 10 years and then it.
So it's like when the, when the
corporations start getting a hold of it and. Yeah. Promoting
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it on, like, you know, follow us on Tick Tock, like, you know,
McDonald's or whatever, then, you know, it's over. Yeah,
it's over. It's been. That's so the next thing now you just
gotta wait and see what the next thing is gonna be and who knows what
it is. Yeah. And I'm. I'm looking forward to it.
But yeah, I mean, Tick Tock. That's what. It just happens like that, right?
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I mean, yeah, I saw with Instagram, I'm like, re. Face.
I. When I remember on Facebook when I saw the first commercial and someone's like,
follow us on Facebook. What? Yeah,
yeah. No, because it, it's. It's just weird. It's super
weird. It's super weird. But it is like,
it being as tricky as it is is technically
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like weeding out some of the.
The like oversaturation a little bit because,
like, not everybody can just like
keep on going. It's hard. Like, and I've
seen a lot of my peers stop, be like, I'm not gonna do this anymore.
I'm gonna go back to school. I'm gonna do what I was planning on
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doing before I went viral on tick tock 100.
Because that's a lot of it, right? It's like the people that stick around
are the ones that keep going regardless. Like, yeah. I've
heard a lot of people say, like, you know, you. You could stop today and
maybe tomorrow was the day that it was going to happen or whatever. Exactly.
You never know. You never know. You really never know. And it's.
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It's so hard. But I know for a fact that I would always
be doing it even if it wasn't my job. So I might
as well just make it my job. Keep on going.
Yeah. So. Okay, so you. Yeah, well, so once you get that, what
was like having that first moment on Tick
Tock was that with the out of Love song
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I love with. You, it's like actual moment was
with. I would say it was with
my first song. I Put yout first. And you did too. I posted
like a little video with the song playing and it got like
1.1 million views. And I was like, what the heck
is going on? Like when that happens and this is your first
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thing to happen? Like that, like, what is that day?
Like, like what is. Oh my God. I mean, is it just like a slot
machine? Like you're just going back to it and like, yes. Refresh, refresh,
refresh, refresh, refresh, refresh, refresh. And every time you refresh, it's going up 10,000
views. And it's the craziest,
craziest thing ever. I was with all my friends. We were sitting
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in one of my friends basements, all eating an ice cream
cake just like out of the cake itself. And we
were having so much fun. We were playing the song. Everybody was like dancing along
to it. We kept refreshing it, being like, oh my God, look at it. Like
we had honestly the most fun ever. It was a really fun night. And
then I went home and then when I woke up in the morning, it was
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at a million views and I was like, this is crazy.
I don't know what it's at now. I haven't gone back to check, but
it. But it's pretty crazy, right? What a rush, right though? I mean,
it was insane. Oh my God. Like, it was insane. It was actually
10,000. What the hell? Yeah. And you got all these
followers and you're like, am I famous now? Like,
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like +99 or whatever on the corner. Like every time you
check it, every. Single time, like you, you leave it for a second and it
just keeps on adding up and adding up and adding up and then it's 99
plus every like three minutes. Just
insane. It was so cool. Like, it was. It was such a fun
thing to have. So it was
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really cool with those. I mean, once that starts happening, obviously, and
then you, you. It wasn't a thing where
you didn't have music and you didn't write song. You know what I mean? Like,
it was like you'll hear of these stories where somebody will just put a clip
up and then they're like, oh, now maybe you had to finish the
song or like, oh, I have to finish it now. But. But it's not like
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you weren't in practice doing this,
right? I mean, it wasn't like you just threw some thing up and you're
gonna try to write a song and then it gets a Million. And then you're
like, oh, like, what am I supposed to do now? It's like, you had already.
You just keep going. I would post the. I would post the snippet after I
wrote it for the most part. And if I didn't fully write it,
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I would be like, okay, well, I'm going to write it today and then I'm
going to get it produced tomorrow. And then I'm. We're going to release it next
week. Because that's actually what we did. The producer I was working with at the
time, I would send him a song. We'd be like, we're releasing this next week.
And we would do a set. Like, I would write the whole song.
I would send in the, like, a voice memo of the song. We would get
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on a zoom session for, like, three hours or something,
work on it. He would then take it, do his own production
and stuff on his own for like a day or two while I would go
and get the whole rollout ready. So I would go and
shoot a whole, like, promo video with all my friends,
and then I would go and they would take my cover art and I would
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edit it and I would do all the things, get the whole rollout ready while
the song was being made, and then he would send it
back and he would mix a master in a day, and then he would get
it back to me and then I would put it on Distro Kid. And then
I just did the immediate release thing. So it would come out whenever. So my
first song came out Monday, so. And I didn't know. I, like,
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posted it, like, it's out soon. And then the next day it came out and
I was like, like,
so it's. It was very like. And we just
did that every. Every time. So we did it every month. And then
for two months, I just did, like, I put you first and then I did
holding my own hand. Both of them were written and then released
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within like, a week and a half of, like,
writing it to, you know, releasing it. And then my
first ep, we did
four new songs, or was it. Yeah, four
new songs in the span of, I
think, three weeks. Because we wanted to keep, like, meeting
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it. Because I was like, I need, I guess, to keep releasing. I should
probably do an ep. And so that's exactly what we did. We did as fast
as we could and then we released it. So I had like a.
A June single, like, end of June single, end of July
single, and then September 6th or 7th or something, the
project came out, none of which Were planned at all. And then to
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love someone else. The title track is my top song.
Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. Craziness. Craziness.
Wow. And that was new right at the time. That was brand new. Yeah,
yeah. But it wasn't like it was momentum from tick
tock in the beginning where it was like, oh, it's got a 3 million views
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and we gotta get the song out. It was like no one had even heard
it. You just put it out with the ep. Yeah. And I wasn't.
I wasn't planning on releasing out of Love with you because it's an interpolation
of Alessia Carr is out of love. And in order to like get an
interpolation approved like that you needed contact with
the artist and I didn't have. I couldn't reach her, so I had to wait.
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Yeah. But then eventually, like we got that
all sorted out and she's actually a writer on it technically because it's an
interpolation. So. Pretty cool. Very. That was really cool because she was
like my favorite artist in high school. Oh, rad. And then feel that
they credit her or whatever, you know. Yeah. Now. And now there's a.
My song has written by Avery lynch and Alessia,
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like Alessiandra. I don't know what her actual name is.
All the. Is so cool. And then whoever she wrote that song with
is also in the credit. So yeah,
that is so cool. And then. And with that though, I
mean, like, you get. Man. I mean, I'm sure once your song is going off
and your songs are or whatever and you're getting all these streams, like that's
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when people start hitting you up. Like managers and record labels. I bet.
Is that hard to navigate? Yes. I was on the phone almost
every day with somebody. I talked to all the
labels and I told them all that they have no idea if I would be
a good investment because I only have two songs out or one song out.
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Wow. You were actually honest too. Well, I went. I was in business school at
the time and both my parents. So I was like, no, this is actually a
horrible business investment. I would never do that. I would never like
put that in my. Like in myself. You
don't know if I'm. If I'm capable of this. I'm just. I think
they. But they, but there's. They have the never. I. Yeah, I
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mean, I'm sure. You know, obviously it's like they could just write you off and
be like, whatever. And so when I told them that.
Like, well, you're not really that big of a lie. Liability. Because we'll just write
you off. Yeah. Like, it's fine. Like, don't worry.
Exactly. Yeah, don't worry. There's no risk for
us. Don't worry. Exactly. And it's.
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It's really funny because, like, I'm currently signed. I've,
like, very recently signed and my
very first record deal and
I am with one of the labels that I talk to. Then
that's not like. Yeah, it is pretty cool. It wasn't with, like,
I think it was like the. The London,
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like, office or something. Like, it. It wasn't exactly with like, who
I'm with, but it was the same company and it's a
pretty small company. So I was like, that's kind of cool. Like, I was.
I was kind of freaking out when they called me in general because they have
Len and Stella and I'm a huge Lennon Stella fan. Okay.
And they have her. They still have her. So I'm currently signed
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to. To her label, which is very exciting
for me as a. As a fan. But.
But it was. It was pretty hectic at that time. Had lots of
managers that I was like, having meetings with and things, and I was
like, this is all a little confusing. I'm just home for the summer for
Covid and stuff. And. Yeah.
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2022 at this point, right? Yeah. So it was like, well, I don't,
you know, we're going to put it, what, an album out and then are my
touring with artists, like, what's going on? Yeah, it was like, we got to get
you on tour, like, immediately. And we. We almost did
and we couldn't because it
coincided with finals. And I was like, guys, I'm like,
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I need to make sure that I can get my degree because I,
like, both are a priority. I would. I would totally do the rest of the
tour and just not do these, like, three dates, but I just can't, like.
So it was. And then the whole. The whole tour ended up falling through, which
is fine because it was for Clinton Kane. So it's okay that it didn't.
Okay. Ultimately work out
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in retrospect, but. Yeah. Yeah. Wow.
Yeah. And so, like, after that, I mean. Yeah. Then things open up and then
are. You're able to probably do shows and then you just keep releasing music
and. Yes. And how do you just keep. How do. How do you
keep the momentum up? Are you going out and playing to these fans that
you've made on. On Tik Tok or like, you know, you talked about how
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the algorithm Obviously changes. But you, but you've built this fan
base at this point. Yeah, so I've, I've built a very close
knit fan base. I,
a year ago turned my close friends into a
just fan space and it's just been like growing since
and I, because I have a lot of like
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stress posting when other artists can see. Like, I
just, I feel like everybody's judging me. So like I don't want to like,
I just, I don't know, I'm not comfortable. Like I'm not a big social media
person. I never was in my life. So posting
all the time is very out of character for me. And having, and like
I'm very specific about what I kind of put out there for people to see
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because it's all the people I went to high school with and it's all
the people who want me to fail that I went to college with and it's
all the, the other artists that
there's like some weird thing where we're all kind of in the
same level so we all want to take each other's good ideas and that kind
of stuff. It's just like I don't want to be part of any of it.
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I literally just want to post for the fans. That's it. And so my manager
was like, why don't you just make your close friends into just
the fans? You don't even use your close friends. Why don't you just do that?
And I was like, that's genius. So
wow, that is genius. Yeah, that's what we did. And now I
have over 2000 close friends and
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they are amazing. Ever since I started doing it,
they've become so devoted. They have my
back, they comment on everything, they listen to everything. They have fan pages,
they send me gifts. Like it's like crazy. They're like
so committed and they're so kind and every
single day I just answer all their DMs. And it's just like a
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big fan club essentially of like just people being
nice to me all day. And it's great. Really
helped in like being able to actually just reach them and
not have to deal with any of like the bullshit surrounding.
I just get to like, oh guys, this is what I did today. Here's this.
I wanted to share this with you. I posted this. What do you guys think?
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Or like wanted to like send them
the, the, the like
track list of the project of as written before it came out. Because like
the track list is a really big deal. It's like, oh, what are the Songs
that are on this as written. Yeah. Because we already know six of
them are going to be on there or whatever. Yes. Like, what are they?
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And so I wanted to do it in a fun way, so I made a
word search that only, like, they got to do. So they got, like, first access
and they got to, like, do a whole game essentially, to figure out what the
songs are. And then I've also done, like, puzzles and things with them. Lots
of games. We all like games a lot. So I was like, games are fun.
Yeah. That's rap. Yeah. That's so cool to
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have that relationship. Yeah. With your. With your. With your fans like that. How does
one become a close friend or close. A close fan. They just start commenting
a lot or. Well, they. I invite them.
They, like. Some of them ask if they know people who are in it. I,
like, I first started inviting people by, like, through my
broadcast channel, just letting people know. I'm like, turning my
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close friends into a space just for fans. Anyone who wants to be in
it, just like this post, and I'm gonna add you. And it's just all on
the broadcast channel. I got, like, the first 800 people from that. It took
forever to add everybody. And then. I bet. Yeah. And then
from there, people started, like, seeing that message and,
like, letting me know random, like, they would DM me like, hey, can I join?
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Over time. And then recently I started
going through comments and things like people who,
like, show support or who have DM me in the past, and I just invite
them and they're like, oh, my God, it's really you. Like, blah, blah, blah, this
up very cool things. And then I just add them.
So it's become more of, like, me personally inviting everyone
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to join. That's. And I just
feel like that would be so cool as, like, a fan of other artists.
If one of them DM me like, hey, do you want to join my close
friends? I'd be like, yeah, right. I mean, yeah,
I can't even imagine, you know. Yeah, yeah. Your favorite artist is just like,
hey, you want to join my clothes? Yes. Yeah. Because
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not even just like, adding them and they just appear in it and they think
they might have been accidentally added. Like, added. I didn't want to do any of
that. So I was like, I'll just invite you and you can let me know
if you want to join. And then if you do, welcome to the family.
And then that's. So, yeah, they're really cool. So
that's been how I've been, like, kind of maintaining and growing an
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actual fan base when the content itself isn't always getting
through. Like, this is kind of my cheat sheet. I'm like, just giving
it directly to them. No, that's brilliant. That is so
brilliant. My man. She's smart.
Well, so. Yeah. And you just. In the as Written Volume two has just.
Just came out earlier this month. Right. And then. Yes. So how do you make
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a decision on the songs? Obviously you said that you chose the title track
to. For some Kids table, for example. Then how do you pick the next
one? Is it just one that you means a lot? Like,
that must be hard to do. Yeah. I honestly, I didn't even mean
to pick the title tracks. I didn't realize until after the project
came out that I picked the title tracks of each of them. Okay. I just
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kind of picked the ones that I wanted to do as written versions of. So.
Kids table. Specifically, when I wrote it, the demo, I
was. I was obsessed with it. It was just piano and it was me and
it was a bunch of doubles of my voice. And it was very cool. Like,
it was this, like, sonically, this very cool energy.
And then it changed so much in production. So I was like, this is the
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song. I knew it since 2022. This is the song that I want to do
an as written song like version of. Okay. That ended
up being the title track of the project. Yeah, the project.
I love the beginning of the as written version where you have like the. The
kit that it's the. There's sound effects in there. Oh, yeah, it's.
Which isn't in the original version.
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Yeah, that. That's like a new thing that we added in
this as kind of like an intro to the. The project. It's
a sound bite from a home video of
my birthday when I was three, my third birthday. Oh, wow. So
everyone. Everyone in my family got a thing in it.
So the beginning is my dad, my sister
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Reagan, and then me in the beginning. And then the very end is my sister
Mackenzie and my mom. Okay. The whole family
got a little. A little sound bite and shout out. Yeah. Really fun
to put together. They didn't know that that was going to be a thing. And
then I showed them. They're like, oh, my God, we're in the song.
So that was very cool. And then some of the other songs
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that I picked, like, I picked When It Ends in
Friction, not even because they were the title tracks, but because they were duets
originally written just by me. So I was like, I want to actually
show this as written. Like this Is like the perfect kind of thing to do
as written because it's just me. So I did. When it ends.
And then friction. I had a whole different verse that I originally wrote before
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I decided that it would be a. A duet.
So then his. Gadden's verse is his own, so. Oh. So
the. Yeah. Because it's different obviously then
lyrically too. So. Yeah, you took that.
His part out and then added the piece you already had in the
beginning. Exactly. Yeah. And we just. We completely re record
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everything. It's all like re. Harmed, like on the piano. Like, everything.
Everything is honestly different. Like, I don't ever want to keep,
like the piano the same, even though some of the songs are on piano. Like,
I want it to, like, sound and feel different. So, like,
lots of the. The elements are
kind of like redone sort of. But. Yes. It's not like
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you take the piano piece from the song. Yeah. If the song
had a piano in it, you wouldn't just take that and then re record vocals.
And exactly like it's. Everything's normally like a different tempo
and maybe a different key. Like, it's a. It's like a.
A new version of the song in a completely different space is like the
idea. But so I did the duets and then
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I had a personal favorite song that I know is
like a favorite of my artist peers and my managers, which is obvious.
That's my manager's, like, favorite song. And
my artist friends were like, that's my favorite song off of the Kids Sable ep.
And it was like, so, like underrated, I
feel like. So I was like, I. I should just do that one for
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fun. We'll just do it. And it was also like, we made it.
We gave it more energy in the. In the real, like, produced
version. So we were like, let's. Let's, like, do it
exactly as I wrote it. Right. And so that's what we
did. And people like it. Yeah, it's. It's
awesome. And then the three new ones on there as
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well. So. Yeah. And when you go into those new ones,
those are just as written as well. Like, you know, obviously it's not like it.
Yeah, it came out and then you went back and. And did what you did.
It's just like. It's just a reason I wrote the song. This is how I
wrote the song. And then this is. Yeah, exactly. It didn't go to a
producer and then they changed some things and then, you know.
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Exactly. It's just. Just the stripped down version of what it was. Yeah. And
that's all it's gonna live as. Oh, they will never be
produced. They. No, they'll never be, like, any more produced
than they already are. Right? Yeah, they're produced, but you know what I mean, like.
Yeah, you wouldn't take it. They're never gonna be any, like, bigger than that. No
bigger than that. I love just. And with all
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the songs you have. I mean, as you said, you have another song you wrote
with your sister that hasn't came out yet. Like, do you.
You must have more than the three. Do you know what three you're gonna put
on when you released the as
written stuff? As far as the new ones go. Well, so
for the. I, like, I. I've had
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the. Those three songs at the end of the
Azerritten project kind of laid out for a while.
Like love you. Like, that was written two years ago. Look, what you
did was written a year ago. And Somebody New, I think
I also wrote a year ago, so they were kind of like, far
out. So in that amount of time that, like, I did
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those, I was also writing other things. Like, I wrote Somebody New around the
same time that I actually wrote, or at least I wrote the course of Somebody
New around the same time that I wrote you're Just a Guy, which
was two years ago. Yeah, I just never
finished Somebody New, so
I. In that amount of time that, like,
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those were finished and everything was being recorded, I have
now written a bunch of songs. So I. I actually know exactly
what I'm releasing next and I have a whole plan
and all of that. I had so much time to just like, sit with all
of it a. Little newer than the. Than the. All right, we're gonna
record this and then we're gonna put it out next week. Yes,
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exactly. So it'll. We have. We have a lot of.
A lot of time. I've gotten used to having a song wait for like a
year, which I was. I would never have been able to do, like, three years
ago. I would be like, what, you want me to just, like, hold on to
this this whole time? So. Yeah,
that's amazing. Well, I. I love what you're doing. I think that
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the album is cool. It's so cool. I think the concept of this
is so unique and rad because I love, like, stripped down
versions of songs like that. And especially when you go back and you hear
what, you know, the song became like, hearing the
evolution of, you know, I wrote this song and then it was,
you know, it blew up on Tik Tok. So then we went and produced it,
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and then it sounds different when we put it out. Yeah. And then going back
and being like, well, let's put out that version of it again. You know what
I mean? Like, I just think, like, the idea of this, what you're doing, is
so, so cool. Yeah. I also think, like, the coolest part
of it is when I perform it live, it is exactly
as that. So people get to,
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like, they always say, oh, my God, it sounds exactly the same. Like, you sound
exactly like the recording. Because it is. That's all it is.
And that's really fun because with what I'm able to do right now and
afford and all this stuff, it's just me and the piano when I
perform. So being able to actually, like,
show, like, play them the song and not leave things
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out, really, besides, like, background vocals is like.
Right. That's so fun. Like, I'm really glad that those.
That kind of worked out that way. So it's a fun little
bonus. Love it. Are you doing any shows coming up? You did
a hometown show, but that was, like, a few months ago, right? Yeah, I did
a hometown show. I did a. And I did an LA
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headline in on the 31st
or 30th August. So a few weeks
ago. Don't have anything planned out at this point,
but always looking to
play somewhere. Love it. Well, I appreciate your time. Thank you
so much, Avery, for doing this. You are awesome. Thank you. Thank you so much.
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Oh, my gosh. This was lovely. I really appreciate it. Oh, no, thank you. I
have one more question. I want to know if you have. But you've been giving
advice throughout this entire interview, but do you have any advice for
aspiring artists? Yes. Okay, wait, let
me think, let me think. Okay.
Don't not release the song because it didn't go viral.
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Always. If you like it, people are going to like it.
Release the song.
Bringing it backwards,
bringing it backward, bringing it backward,
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bringing it backward, bringing it backward,
bringing it backward.
What is going on? It is Adam. Welcome back to Bringing It Backwards, a
podcast where both legendary and rising artists tell their own
personal stories of how they achieved stardom.
On this episode, we had a chance to hang out with Avery lynch
over Zoom Video. Avery was born and raised
in Pennsylvania and talks about how she got into music.
(00:22):
At age 5, Avery had a little keyboard and.
And she was able to hear songs and kind of mimic them
on this little keyboard. Her parents ended up getting her
a bigger keyboard and putting her in some lessons. It didn't take
long for her parents to see that Avery was really, really gifted. And
she went to school one day, came back home, and was playing a Rihanna
(00:45):
song on the keyboard just by ear. Avery did piano lessons
all the way until she left for college. Attended college at Berkeley School of
Music. She talked about writing her first songs, having a
big moment on TikTok, or a bunch of big moments
on TikTok, really. But she dives into one of the times where
her video went viral and the first viral video she had and what that
(01:08):
was like, you know, refreshing the page all the time and
seeing how many followers is going up and views.
It was really exciting to hear her talk about that. But Avery
talks about the success of her first releases, the idea behind
releasing as Written, the very first as Written,
she recently released as Written Volume two.
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So Avery discusses the song she chose for as Written Volume
two. We talk about the three songs she added
to the album, the three unreleased ones. You can
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Bringing it backwards.
Bringing it backwards. Bringing it backwards.
Bringing it back.
Hello. Hi, Avery. How are you? Good. How are you?
(02:38):
I am fantastic. Thank you so much for doing this.
Oh, my gosh, of course. Thank you so much for having me. Of course.
I'm Adam and this is all about you and your journey
in music. And obviously we'll talk about the album you just
put out. Yeah. So
I just released as Written Volume two.
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It is my second volume of
my as Written projects.
It is a personal favorite project to do
as well as a like a Fan favorite
it. When I first released my like original Azer
project, I didn't know that. That it would like bring so
(03:24):
many new people into my sphere and that it would
mean so much to so many people and that they actually wanted it. I
originally started doing it because at the time
all of the songs were first introduced on TikTok as
just me singing and playing them.
So they only knew them in that way. And when I. Yeah, so when you
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release them and it's a different ver, obviously it sounds completely different. Yeah,
quite different. Yeah. So I wanted to give them
the versions that they originally like fell in love with.
And so that was the whole like idea of that as written.
Because also everybody knows that I would post the song
immediately after I wrote it. I would write it and then in that
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same breath, not even getting up from the piano, would take a video
and post it. And that's just what I did like basically
every day of summer 2020. Wow. And
so it was very much as written. I just played
exactly how it is. And
so then after I released my first cp, I was like, let's give them all
(04:31):
these versions and throw on a few new ones so that
there's like new music to look forward to. And
one of the songs, one of the new
songs that were was on that project called All I Need. The
Distance Song ended up now being
my top stream song, which is cool. It's not like
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it doesn't have the most streams, but it gets the most streams daily and it
has for years. That's great. It will be. It
will definitely be, but I was just not
expecting that at all. And so this
was kind of my follow up for it. I've released I
think three eps in between.
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I did the one at ep, the Kids Table EP and the
Friction Collection. So I was like, it's time.
So now I'm just going to take like the tracks from each of
those projects and then like a personal favorite,
redo those and then
exactly how I, you know, played them on TikTok over the years
(05:37):
and then give them three new ones.
The. Yeah, yeah, the last three on the out on the record are. Yeah,
the newer. The three new ones, right? Yes, correct. So
it's very fun. It's a very like low, low
stakes, low pressure
project which is really nice to
(06:00):
have take a breath.
It's just me and my. And my boyfriend Jordan who do the
as ridden and so it's literally just us in our, in
our house for like a year making a project and
then I get to then all the pressure
comes next with all the brand new music and the new everything,
(06:23):
so. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think it's really awesome.
I love that you did that. You know, even with the first one, you know,
kind of going back to what really started to what build you a
fan base, right? Was TikTok in the beginning and then kind
of giving that back to your fans and saying, hey, you know, I didn't forget
about you. These. I know that you love these. Rid these versions that I did,
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you know, just on my camera, on my piano, let's,
you know, release these to the, to the world or record them, you
know. Thank you. Yeah, it's really fun. It's very fun. And people are
starting to like write in their bios,
like their name and then as written next to it, which is a very cool
little thing because it's like the Taylor's version kind of idea.
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Yeah, yeah, no, totally. I love that. That's awesome. That's really,
really awesome. So where, okay, you're
born and raised in Wood. Philly. Is that what I saw? Or Pennsylvania. Oh, okay.
Pennsylvania. Tell me about that.
I am from a town called Doylestown,
Pennsylvania. I love it there.
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I'm totally an east coast girl. It's
pretty crazy actually, the amount of people who
are from that area or just like kind of the greater Philadelphia
area who are in my lane as
well as like people who are now like going there.
It's very interesting. Lots of like huge celebrities are like moving there, which is
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really strange. Like the Hadids live there
and there's. It's actually been confirmed that Taylor Swift just bought a house
there yesterday. Really kind of confused because
it's a very small town, but
I love it there. It's very. The. The town
that I live in, I live in like the borough and it's all
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Victorian houses and it's very. If you know, Gilmore Girls,
which. I'm obsessed with Gilmore Girls. It's. It's very
Gilmore Girls esque. So I love, I love Victorian
homes. They're so. Yes. It's so cool.
So I grew up there, lived there forever, and then
moved to Boston for school. I went to
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Berkeley for a second and transferred to a business
school, a business school called Suffolk, which is
like 15 minutes away, just by train in the city.
It's right in the middle of the city and I got my business
degree there, so. But I. Everyone at Berkeley thought I still went to
Berkeley, which was great because I just got all benefits of Berkeley without paying
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for it any more than I already did for Like a
year. Right, right. And then from there, I
technically moved back home for a second, and then now I'm in la.
Okay, you're in LA now. I wasn't sure if you're in New York, if you
stayed on the East Coast. Awesome. So when.
How do you get into music? Do you come from, like, a musical family,
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creative household, anything like that? Everyone is very
creative. Nobody does music.
Nobody at all, actually. And both of my parents are,
like, businessy people. Okay. And. But
I have two older sisters, and the three of us have all kind of
indulged ourselves in different creative paths. So
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my oldest sister is a creative writer. My middle sister
is a photographer and designer, and then I am the
musician. So we all kind of share little things.
Yeah. Do you utilize them on any of your, like, at
least photography would be a big one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. My. My
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sister Reagan, she takes lots of photos for me. She comes to any,
like, shows that are near her and she does all the pictures.
She's also. She writes poetry. So we actually have
a song that we wrote together that's going to be on a future thing.
Yeah. Very cool. So they're. We're all
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very creative, but we don't exactly know
why parents aren't. Everybody loves
music. They're all huge music
listeners and they all need to have music playing all
day every day, but none of them have really even picked up
an instrument. So I don't exactly. You started
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piano early though, right? Wasn't that with.
With like a little toy piano? I think I was like five or six.
Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah, very little.
And I was playing songs that I, like, heard
like, that I knew, and I was just like, playing the melody of
them. Oh, my gosh. Like, oh, we should like, get you
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a bigger keyboard and like, sign you up for piano lessons. And
then as soon as I got the bigger keyboard, I, like, came
home from school and I heard at school,
I think it was. What song was. It was a
Rihanna song. It might have been
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Umbrella.
And I came home and I played it on the piano, like in full.
And my mom was like, honey, like,
what is going on? You're eight years old and
you don't really know how to play piano. Like, you're only in a group class.
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So then I was kind of like, escalated to just like
private lessons. And I can't
read music very well. I have this, like, fun little thing
with my vision where my eyes block out
some, like, letters and numbers and things when I read.
So it kind of looks like something spilled white out On a page when I
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read. And so I have to kind of keep going back over and reading. Yeah,
it's like, is that a form of dyslexia? Because I have a similar. It is,
yeah. I know. It's not just that you just switch letters and
numbers around. It's like, you could look at a word because
I have the same thing. I'll look at a word and it just looks like
jumbo. Like, I'm like, yeah, it looks. I don't even know how to start
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sounding it out. You know what I mean? Yes. They
said, like, we're just going to call it, like, a form of dyslexia, because they
did. They literally, like, scanned my brain to make sure.
Have some kind of, like, tumor or something that was
able to, like, read. So
it's actually really funny that you say that, that you. Yeah, they called. They were
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like, we're just gonna call it, like, a form of dyslexia. Yeah,
that's what you have. And. But because I have that,
reading music is extremely hard because it's just, like,
literal black dots on a page. How am I supposed to
see that at all? So I just do everything by
ear. And when I went to music school for a second, it was like, the
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hardest brain work I've ever done ever. Like,
especially for Berkeley, because don't you have to, like, sight read and do
all of it? All of it. And all of your, like, written exams are, like,
writing out the notes. Composition. Yeah. Annotating
everything. And it's like. It was. It was
like, the hardest math I've ever done in my life.
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No, it really is, though. I mean, music has so much to do with math
and numbers and patterns, and it's like, yeah, yeah, it's. Wow,
crazy. So I just. I do everything by ear. And then now.
Now it, like, it works out great because I don't have to take a test
on it, so I don't need to look at. At the note. Right. Well,
that's what's funny is, like, you when you said you went to Berkeley and then
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left after a year. No, nothing against Berkeley by any means.
Obviously, it's an incredible school. But, like, I've had a lot of people on this
podcast that have went there, and that'll. They'll either, like,
they'll achieve kind of what they wanted to do, like, within the first year
or two, and it's like, well, why am I gonna keep going? I just signed
a record deal. Why do I need to stay honest?
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Honestly, it's just so expensive. I wanted to
make the connections and meet people and get to, like, put myself
in that space and then live beside that space
was, like, kind of my goal. I knew that I would never be able to
afford to actually graduate from that school, but it was the only school I wanted
to go to, so I, like, went. And then a year in, I was like,
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okay, well, can't afford to pay, you know,
$65,000 a year, so I'm just gonna
head on over right down the street to this school.
That's like an eighth of the price. But I'm gonna keep on living with
Berkeley people. My key card still works in the Berkeley
buildings, and nobody's gonna know. And I even, like. I told my professors
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about it because they wrote me, you know, like, the letters of
recommendation to go to business school, and
they were like, you know, you're hacking the Berkeley system. Like, we're not gonna
tell anybody, but you're a genius. And I was like,
I know. Yeah. They're like, you're getting all the perks and meeting all the
people. All the perks of Berkeley. Yeah. Yeah.
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And just going to. And getting a degree, but else. Yeah,
right. But elsewhere more so much less.
It's actually crazy. So it was. It worked out great.
It worked out. But do you. Would you said. Do you have,
like, perfect pitch or you can just know. You can just kind of hear, like,
when you go home, you like. You to play umbrella or whatever to come
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on. Like, I know this is the right note. Not
maybe you have the right progression, but you're not in the right key. You
know what I mean? Yeah, It's. It's probably not in the right key.
I have relative pitch, so I
get within, like, a note, like,
on either side. So I really could,
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like, know for a fact that it's like, say it's A, but because
I know I have relative, I should probably say it's B and I would get
it right. Or it could be G. So, you know. Oh, I see what you're
saying. Like one to, like, one and a half. Like, another half
step away. I haven't tested it in a long
time, but it's.
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It. It's all, like, kind of pointless when you're not, like,
in music school. Like, nobody thinks it's cool. Like, there's no reason to use it,
so. Right. And it's like, relative is the most
pointless thing ever. Like, oh, I can get it really close. Right.
But it's not the same. Yeah. So I just, like, play by ear.
So, like, I know what the song sounds like. And I can play the song.
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It just might not be in the exact original key. Like it'll tuning or. Yeah,
yeah. However it is. Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome, though.
That's really awesome. So you obviously, your parents see that you have this gift
with music, and then they. You said they got put in private lessons and kind
of accelerated out of this group thing where you're probably
just learning chopsticks or, you know, whatever. Yes. And then
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do you continue on with piano? Like, are you. Do you love it or
does it become a point where you're like, you know, I don't know
if I still enjoyed. I don't know. Maybe you can. Lessons, I
think till I was like, 18, I did. Yeah, I did
lessons all the way until I went to college. My vocal
lessons stopped really being vocal lessons. Like, I
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never really had true vocal training. My
lessons kind of were mainly around songwriting
and structure and just kind of like making songs just in general,
which I got way more out of, I think, than I would have.
Like, obviously in my career. I got way more out of, yeah, 100,
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like, the. The vocal lesson part. But I definitely, like, I have a very
small voice, and that's because I. I was never
trained to be any more than that small voice.
So that's kind of all I got. But I. It's
actually really funny. My. The receptionist at my
school, like, my singing music school,
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she. I write with her every other week. She's on, like, every single song of
mine. Her name's Nisha Grace. She was the receptionist there. And at the
time, like, when I was like, 17, like, like starting 16,
she started working there. And my
vocal teacher was kind of
juggling a lot, so she wasn't super present
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in the. The lesson. So I would just kind of go and
she would just like, be there, but, like, not actually part of it.
So then Nisha would come into the room and it would just be us and
we would. We would write. And then when I went to college, we
would still write. And then I started
posting my things on TikTok and one of them, like, blew
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up and I was like, I gotta release this and will you help me finish
it? And she did. And then ever since then, so it's been like,
probably like eight years of us writing and we have
every other Monday. And that's where she's the only other
writer I work. I've, like, written a song with, like,
one or two other writers technically in my life.
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But, like, I don't really. I write everything by myself. Or with
the people the closest to me. So Nisha Jordan, my. My
boyfriend slash producer or my sister.
It's very like. That's correct. That's cool, though. Yeah.
Yeah. Wow. Okay. So you started writing songs together with
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her when you were still in high school then? Yeah. Okay.
And do you end up putting out any of those songs or you just kind
of just did them or did you. No, I just kind of did them. I
just, like, had them. I was just
kind of learning. I wrote songs, a lot of songs about basically nothing. Like, they
were completely meaningless. I didn't. I was a kid, so, like, I didn't
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know how to. I didn't know anything yet. And
it took a lot of time and practice and, like, life experience when I went
to college to, like, oh, this is like,
these are real relationships, and these are real, like, friendships, and this
is real life. Like, wow, I'm on my own. I'm growing up, all this stuff.
So I finally woke up from, like, being a kid, and then that's when my
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song started to, like, elevate so out of love with you.
My first, like, it was actually
my first song that I wrote. My first, like, real song that I wrote.
I wrote it in college and while I was still at
Berkeley, so my first year, and I didn't even end up
releasing it until 2020, so that was
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2018 or 2019. Wow. Was that the song that blew
up for you on Tick Tock as well? It did, yeah. That was the one
that. It got like
3.7 million views or something like that. And
it was crazy. Like, Meghan Trainor followed me and I was like, oh, my God.
Yeah, now, now. Our friends on Tik Tok. But a
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lot of, like, that. That was like, the video that
got me, like, any kind of attention,
really. And so then when I released that song,
it did really well. And I was like, that's crazy because I wrote this
so long ago, but sure. Like, I'll take it.
But yeah. Well, tell me about that because, I mean, you had songs out before
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that one, obviously, and it's not like they didn't do anything. I mean. Oh, yeah,
no, they did. They did. Yeah. Too is like, you know, millions of
streams. Yeah, no, that. They all did great. I
was shocked. I got really, really lucky, to be honest. I just got really lucky.
Like, the songs are good for sure, but. Oh, they're really good. Like, I think
my songs now are better, obviously, because I was 20 or
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21 then, so, like, obviously
I think my songs are better at the. At this current time. But Tick tock
is not what it. What it is anymore. So it used to be super
helpful. And
I was just kind of in everybody's faces for like a whole
year. I was like, every single video
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got at like a minimum 300,000 views.
That's so crazy. Crazy. I, like, didn't know what it was like, Like,
I thought if a video got 20,000 likes, they didn't actually like
that song. That's the way my brain worked. Because
that's why. That's just because you keep seeing, obviously you don't
as a creative person and you know, you. You get this song and it
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does well, and then the next one does well. It's like you're keep. You're gonna
keep relay raising the bar. It's not like it's
okay. Well, now every song that I does, anything, you know,
I'm gonna be happy about, you know? Yeah, you're
gonna try to be. Get 4 million, 5 million. You know what I mean?
It's not just, oh, it's, you know, 20,000. It's 20, 000. That's a
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lot. But that's what you should look at it. But likes, I would be like,
o. Would be like, oh, wow. Like, that video did
great because it's so. It's so different. Tik Tok, like,
was so nice to everybody for like a year or there
was just. The algorithm was just actually more real. Right? It was more.
More like if he gets on the for you page enough people care, then.
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Yeah, then it'll keep on going. And like, I just wish it would
go back to that just for a second or just for some of us,
like, because, like, I. I share the same
feelings with all of my peers. Right. We're all just
so tired and we miss it because we were like, we don't
even reach our own followers anymore on that app. It's just. You don't on
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any of them probably. No, no, no. Absolutely not. Yeah, I had
a band on one time. Like, even during the pandemic. Like, I.
I don't want to throw them under the bus, but yeah, they had. They have
a couple at the time. They probably have way more now, but they had like
a couple hundred thousand followers on Instagram. And then they. The one guy was going
off, he's like, yeah, then I get. We get like 1800 likes on
something, and I know, you know, all 200,000
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people didn't just scroll past the thing. Yeah,
yeah, but that's just everything. Everything got
harder. Tick tock got harder. Instagram got harder.
Your people just don't see you anymore and things don't convert anymore.
It's really weird. It's a very weird space. I'm hoping that
things. I'm hoping that that means that something's going
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to change soon, you know? Yeah, I mean, I
don't. I just. I'm old and I've seen all of these
platforms kind of come and go and they usually run in a
cycle, you know, obviously of about 10 years and then it.
So it's like when the, when the
corporations start getting a hold of it and. Yeah. Promoting
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it on, like, you know, follow us on Tick Tock, like, you know,
McDonald's or whatever, then, you know, it's over. Yeah,
it's over. It's been. That's so the next thing now you just
gotta wait and see what the next thing is gonna be and who knows what
it is. Yeah. And I'm. I'm looking forward to it.
But yeah, I mean, Tick Tock. That's what. It just happens like that, right?
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I mean, yeah, I saw with Instagram, I'm like, re. Face.
I. When I remember on Facebook when I saw the first commercial and someone's like,
follow us on Facebook. What? Yeah,
yeah. No, because it, it's. It's just weird. It's super
weird. It's super weird. But it is like,
it being as tricky as it is is technically
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like weeding out some of the.
The like oversaturation a little bit because,
like, not everybody can just like
keep on going. It's hard. Like, and I've
seen a lot of my peers stop, be like, I'm not gonna do this anymore.
I'm gonna go back to school. I'm gonna do what I was planning on
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doing before I went viral on tick tock 100.
Because that's a lot of it, right? It's like the people that stick around
are the ones that keep going regardless. Like, yeah. I've
heard a lot of people say, like, you know, you. You could stop today and
maybe tomorrow was the day that it was going to happen or whatever. Exactly.
You never know. You never know. You really never know. And it's.
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It's so hard. But I know for a fact that I would always
be doing it even if it wasn't my job. So I might
as well just make it my job. Keep on going.
Yeah. So. Okay, so you. Yeah, well, so once you get that, what
was like having that first moment on Tick
Tock was that with the out of Love song
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I love with. You, it's like actual moment was
with. I would say it was with
my first song. I Put yout first. And you did too. I posted
like a little video with the song playing and it got like
1.1 million views. And I was like, what the heck
is going on? Like when that happens and this is your first
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thing to happen? Like that, like, what is that day?
Like, like what is. Oh my God. I mean, is it just like a slot
machine? Like you're just going back to it and like, yes. Refresh, refresh,
refresh, refresh, refresh, refresh, refresh. And every time you refresh, it's going up 10,000
views. And it's the craziest,
craziest thing ever. I was with all my friends. We were sitting
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in one of my friends basements, all eating an ice cream
cake just like out of the cake itself. And we
were having so much fun. We were playing the song. Everybody was like dancing along
to it. We kept refreshing it, being like, oh my God, look at it. Like
we had honestly the most fun ever. It was a really fun night. And
then I went home and then when I woke up in the morning, it was
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at a million views and I was like, this is crazy.
I don't know what it's at now. I haven't gone back to check, but
it. But it's pretty crazy, right? What a rush, right though? I mean,
it was insane. Oh my God. Like, it was insane. It was actually
10,000. What the hell? Yeah. And you got all these
followers and you're like, am I famous now? Like,
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like +99 or whatever on the corner. Like every time you
check it, every. Single time, like you, you leave it for a second and it
just keeps on adding up and adding up and adding up and then it's 99
plus every like three minutes. Just
insane. It was so cool. Like, it was. It was such a fun
thing to have. So it was
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really cool with those. I mean, once that starts happening, obviously, and
then you, you. It wasn't a thing where
you didn't have music and you didn't write song. You know what I mean? Like,
it was like you'll hear of these stories where somebody will just put a clip
up and then they're like, oh, now maybe you had to finish the
song or like, oh, I have to finish it now. But. But it's not like
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you weren't in practice doing this,
right? I mean, it wasn't like you just threw some thing up and you're
gonna try to write a song and then it gets a Million. And then you're
like, oh, like, what am I supposed to do now? It's like, you had already.
You just keep going. I would post the. I would post the snippet after I
wrote it for the most part. And if I didn't fully write it,
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I would be like, okay, well, I'm going to write it today and then I'm
going to get it produced tomorrow. And then I'm. We're going to release it next
week. Because that's actually what we did. The producer I was working with at the
time, I would send him a song. We'd be like, we're releasing this next week.
And we would do a set. Like, I would write the whole song.
I would send in the, like, a voice memo of the song. We would get
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on a zoom session for, like, three hours or something,
work on it. He would then take it, do his own production
and stuff on his own for like a day or two while I would go
and get the whole rollout ready. So I would go and
shoot a whole, like, promo video with all my friends,
and then I would go and they would take my cover art and I would
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edit it and I would do all the things, get the whole rollout ready while
the song was being made, and then he would send it
back and he would mix a master in a day, and then he would get
it back to me and then I would put it on Distro Kid. And then
I just did the immediate release thing. So it would come out whenever. So my
first song came out Monday, so. And I didn't know. I, like,
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posted it, like, it's out soon. And then the next day it came out and
I was like, like,
so it's. It was very like. And we just
did that every. Every time. So we did it every month. And then
for two months, I just did, like, I put you first and then I did
holding my own hand. Both of them were written and then released
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within like, a week and a half of, like,
writing it to, you know, releasing it. And then my
first ep, we did
four new songs, or was it. Yeah, four
new songs in the span of, I
think, three weeks. Because we wanted to keep, like, meeting
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it. Because I was like, I need, I guess, to keep releasing. I should
probably do an ep. And so that's exactly what we did. We did as fast
as we could and then we released it. So I had like a.
A June single, like, end of June single, end of July
single, and then September 6th or 7th or something, the
project came out, none of which Were planned at all. And then to
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love someone else. The title track is my top song.
Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. Craziness. Craziness.
Wow. And that was new right at the time. That was brand new. Yeah,
yeah. But it wasn't like it was momentum from tick
tock in the beginning where it was like, oh, it's got a 3 million views
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and we gotta get the song out. It was like no one had even heard
it. You just put it out with the ep. Yeah. And I wasn't.
I wasn't planning on releasing out of Love with you because it's an interpolation
of Alessia Carr is out of love. And in order to like get an
interpolation approved like that you needed contact with
the artist and I didn't have. I couldn't reach her, so I had to wait.
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Yeah. But then eventually, like we got that
all sorted out and she's actually a writer on it technically because it's an
interpolation. So. Pretty cool. Very. That was really cool because she was
like my favorite artist in high school. Oh, rad. And then feel that
they credit her or whatever, you know. Yeah. Now. And now there's a.
My song has written by Avery lynch and Alessia,
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like Alessiandra. I don't know what her actual name is.
All the. Is so cool. And then whoever she wrote that song with
is also in the credit. So yeah,
that is so cool. And then. And with that though, I
mean, like, you get. Man. I mean, I'm sure once your song is going off
and your songs are or whatever and you're getting all these streams, like that's
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when people start hitting you up. Like managers and record labels. I bet.
Is that hard to navigate? Yes. I was on the phone almost
every day with somebody. I talked to all the
labels and I told them all that they have no idea if I would be
a good investment because I only have two songs out or one song out.
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Wow. You were actually honest too. Well, I went. I was in business school at
the time and both my parents. So I was like, no, this is actually a
horrible business investment. I would never do that. I would never like
put that in my. Like in myself. You
don't know if I'm. If I'm capable of this. I'm just. I think
they. But they, but there's. They have the never. I. Yeah, I
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mean, I'm sure. You know, obviously it's like they could just write you off and
be like, whatever. And so when I told them that.
Like, well, you're not really that big of a lie. Liability. Because we'll just write
you off. Yeah. Like, it's fine. Like, don't worry.
Exactly. Yeah, don't worry. There's no risk for
us. Don't worry. Exactly. And it's.
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It's really funny because, like, I'm currently signed. I've,
like, very recently signed and my
very first record deal and
I am with one of the labels that I talk to. Then
that's not like. Yeah, it is pretty cool. It wasn't with, like,
I think it was like the. The London,
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like, office or something. Like, it. It wasn't exactly with like, who
I'm with, but it was the same company and it's a
pretty small company. So I was like, that's kind of cool. Like, I was.
I was kind of freaking out when they called me in general because they have
Len and Stella and I'm a huge Lennon Stella fan. Okay.
And they have her. They still have her. So I'm currently signed
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to. To her label, which is very exciting
for me as a. As a fan. But.
But it was. It was pretty hectic at that time. Had lots of
managers that I was like, having meetings with and things, and I was
like, this is all a little confusing. I'm just home for the summer for
Covid and stuff. And. Yeah.
(35:30):
2022 at this point, right? Yeah. So it was like, well, I don't,
you know, we're going to put it, what, an album out and then are my
touring with artists, like, what's going on? Yeah, it was like, we got to get
you on tour, like, immediately. And we. We almost did
and we couldn't because it
coincided with finals. And I was like, guys, I'm like,
(35:52):
I need to make sure that I can get my degree because I,
like, both are a priority. I would. I would totally do the rest of the
tour and just not do these, like, three dates, but I just can't, like.
So it was. And then the whole. The whole tour ended up falling through, which
is fine because it was for Clinton Kane. So it's okay that it didn't.
Okay. Ultimately work out
(36:16):
in retrospect, but. Yeah. Yeah. Wow.
Yeah. And so, like, after that, I mean. Yeah. Then things open up and then
are. You're able to probably do shows and then you just keep releasing music
and. Yes. And how do you just keep. How do. How do you
keep the momentum up? Are you going out and playing to these fans that
you've made on. On Tik Tok or like, you know, you talked about how
(36:39):
the algorithm Obviously changes. But you, but you've built this fan
base at this point. Yeah, so I've, I've built a very close
knit fan base. I,
a year ago turned my close friends into a
just fan space and it's just been like growing since
and I, because I have a lot of like
(37:02):
stress posting when other artists can see. Like, I
just, I feel like everybody's judging me. So like I don't want to like,
I just, I don't know, I'm not comfortable. Like I'm not a big social media
person. I never was in my life. So posting
all the time is very out of character for me. And having, and like
I'm very specific about what I kind of put out there for people to see
(37:25):
because it's all the people I went to high school with and it's all
the people who want me to fail that I went to college with and it's
all the, the other artists that
there's like some weird thing where we're all kind of in the
same level so we all want to take each other's good ideas and that kind
of stuff. It's just like I don't want to be part of any of it.
(37:46):
I literally just want to post for the fans. That's it. And so my manager
was like, why don't you just make your close friends into just
the fans? You don't even use your close friends. Why don't you just do that?
And I was like, that's genius. So
wow, that is genius. Yeah, that's what we did. And now I
have over 2000 close friends and
(38:08):
they are amazing. Ever since I started doing it,
they've become so devoted. They have my
back, they comment on everything, they listen to everything. They have fan pages,
they send me gifts. Like it's like crazy. They're like
so committed and they're so kind and every
single day I just answer all their DMs. And it's just like a
(38:30):
big fan club essentially of like just people being
nice to me all day. And it's great. Really
helped in like being able to actually just reach them and
not have to deal with any of like the bullshit surrounding.
I just get to like, oh guys, this is what I did today. Here's this.
I wanted to share this with you. I posted this. What do you guys think?
(38:52):
Or like wanted to like send them
the, the, the like
track list of the project of as written before it came out. Because like
the track list is a really big deal. It's like, oh, what are the Songs
that are on this as written. Yeah. Because we already know six of
them are going to be on there or whatever. Yes. Like, what are they?
(39:14):
And so I wanted to do it in a fun way, so I made a
word search that only, like, they got to do. So they got, like, first access
and they got to, like, do a whole game essentially, to figure out what the
songs are. And then I've also done, like, puzzles and things with them. Lots
of games. We all like games a lot. So I was like, games are fun.
Yeah. That's rap. Yeah. That's so cool to
(39:36):
have that relationship. Yeah. With your. With your. With your fans like that. How does
one become a close friend or close. A close fan. They just start commenting
a lot or. Well, they. I invite them.
They, like. Some of them ask if they know people who are in it. I,
like, I first started inviting people by, like, through my
broadcast channel, just letting people know. I'm like, turning my
(39:58):
close friends into a space just for fans. Anyone who wants to be in
it, just like this post, and I'm gonna add you. And it's just all on
the broadcast channel. I got, like, the first 800 people from that. It took
forever to add everybody. And then. I bet. Yeah. And then
from there, people started, like, seeing that message and,
like, letting me know random, like, they would DM me like, hey, can I join?
(40:20):
Over time. And then recently I started
going through comments and things like people who,
like, show support or who have DM me in the past, and I just invite
them and they're like, oh, my God, it's really you. Like, blah, blah, blah, this
up very cool things. And then I just add them.
So it's become more of, like, me personally inviting everyone
(40:42):
to join. That's. And I just
feel like that would be so cool as, like, a fan of other artists.
If one of them DM me like, hey, do you want to join my close
friends? I'd be like, yeah, right. I mean, yeah,
I can't even imagine, you know. Yeah, yeah. Your favorite artist is just like,
hey, you want to join my clothes? Yes. Yeah. Because
(41:05):
not even just like, adding them and they just appear in it and they think
they might have been accidentally added. Like, added. I didn't want to do any of
that. So I was like, I'll just invite you and you can let me know
if you want to join. And then if you do, welcome to the family.
And then that's. So, yeah, they're really cool. So
that's been how I've been, like, kind of maintaining and growing an
(41:27):
actual fan base when the content itself isn't always getting
through. Like, this is kind of my cheat sheet. I'm like, just giving
it directly to them. No, that's brilliant. That is so
brilliant. My man. She's smart.
Well, so. Yeah. And you just. In the as Written Volume two has just.
Just came out earlier this month. Right. And then. Yes. So how do you make
(41:50):
a decision on the songs? Obviously you said that you chose the title track
to. For some Kids table, for example. Then how do you pick the next
one? Is it just one that you means a lot? Like,
that must be hard to do. Yeah. I honestly, I didn't even mean
to pick the title tracks. I didn't realize until after the project
came out that I picked the title tracks of each of them. Okay. I just
(42:12):
kind of picked the ones that I wanted to do as written versions of. So.
Kids table. Specifically, when I wrote it, the demo, I
was. I was obsessed with it. It was just piano and it was me and
it was a bunch of doubles of my voice. And it was very cool. Like,
it was this, like, sonically, this very cool energy.
And then it changed so much in production. So I was like, this is the
(42:34):
song. I knew it since 2022. This is the song that I want to do
an as written song like version of. Okay. That ended
up being the title track of the project. Yeah, the project.
I love the beginning of the as written version where you have like the. The
kit that it's the. There's sound effects in there. Oh, yeah, it's.
Which isn't in the original version.
(42:58):
Yeah, that. That's like a new thing that we added in
this as kind of like an intro to the. The project. It's
a sound bite from a home video of
my birthday when I was three, my third birthday. Oh, wow. So
everyone. Everyone in my family got a thing in it.
So the beginning is my dad, my sister
(43:21):
Reagan, and then me in the beginning. And then the very end is my sister
Mackenzie and my mom. Okay. The whole family
got a little. A little sound bite and shout out. Yeah. Really fun
to put together. They didn't know that that was going to be a thing. And
then I showed them. They're like, oh, my God, we're in the song.
So that was very cool. And then some of the other songs
(43:44):
that I picked, like, I picked When It Ends in
Friction, not even because they were the title tracks, but because they were duets
originally written just by me. So I was like, I want to actually
show this as written. Like this Is like the perfect kind of thing to do
as written because it's just me. So I did. When it ends.
And then friction. I had a whole different verse that I originally wrote before
(44:08):
I decided that it would be a. A duet.
So then his. Gadden's verse is his own, so. Oh. So
the. Yeah. Because it's different obviously then
lyrically too. So. Yeah, you took that.
His part out and then added the piece you already had in the
beginning. Exactly. Yeah. And we just. We completely re record
(44:30):
everything. It's all like re. Harmed, like on the piano. Like, everything.
Everything is honestly different. Like, I don't ever want to keep,
like the piano the same, even though some of the songs are on piano. Like,
I want it to, like, sound and feel different. So, like,
lots of the. The elements are
kind of like redone sort of. But. Yes. It's not like
(44:53):
you take the piano piece from the song. Yeah. If the song
had a piano in it, you wouldn't just take that and then re record vocals.
And exactly like it's. Everything's normally like a different tempo
and maybe a different key. Like, it's a. It's like a.
A new version of the song in a completely different space is like the
idea. But so I did the duets and then
(45:16):
I had a personal favorite song that I know is
like a favorite of my artist peers and my managers, which is obvious.
That's my manager's, like, favorite song. And
my artist friends were like, that's my favorite song off of the Kids Sable ep.
And it was like, so, like underrated, I
feel like. So I was like, I. I should just do that one for
(45:39):
fun. We'll just do it. And it was also like, we made it.
We gave it more energy in the. In the real, like, produced
version. So we were like, let's. Let's, like, do it
exactly as I wrote it. Right. And so that's what we
did. And people like it. Yeah, it's. It's
awesome. And then the three new ones on there as
(46:02):
well. So. Yeah. And when you go into those new ones,
those are just as written as well. Like, you know, obviously it's not like it.
Yeah, it came out and then you went back and. And did what you did.
It's just like. It's just a reason I wrote the song. This is how I
wrote the song. And then this is. Yeah, exactly. It didn't go to a
producer and then they changed some things and then, you know.
(46:24):
Exactly. It's just. Just the stripped down version of what it was. Yeah. And
that's all it's gonna live as. Oh, they will never be
produced. They. No, they'll never be, like, any more produced
than they already are. Right? Yeah, they're produced, but you know what I mean, like.
Yeah, you wouldn't take it. They're never gonna be any, like, bigger than that. No
bigger than that. I love just. And with all
(46:46):
the songs you have. I mean, as you said, you have another song you wrote
with your sister that hasn't came out yet. Like, do you.
You must have more than the three. Do you know what three you're gonna put
on when you released the as
written stuff? As far as the new ones go. Well, so
for the. I, like, I. I've had
(47:08):
the. Those three songs at the end of the
Azerritten project kind of laid out for a while.
Like love you. Like, that was written two years ago. Look, what you
did was written a year ago. And Somebody New, I think
I also wrote a year ago, so they were kind of like, far
out. So in that amount of time that, like, I did
(47:30):
those, I was also writing other things. Like, I wrote Somebody New around the
same time that I actually wrote, or at least I wrote the course of Somebody
New around the same time that I wrote you're Just a Guy, which
was two years ago. Yeah, I just never
finished Somebody New, so
I. In that amount of time that, like,
(47:52):
those were finished and everything was being recorded, I have
now written a bunch of songs. So I. I actually know exactly
what I'm releasing next and I have a whole plan
and all of that. I had so much time to just like, sit with all
of it a. Little newer than the. Than the. All right, we're gonna
record this and then we're gonna put it out next week. Yes,
(48:14):
exactly. So it'll. We have. We have a lot of.
A lot of time. I've gotten used to having a song wait for like a
year, which I was. I would never have been able to do, like, three years
ago. I would be like, what, you want me to just, like, hold on to
this this whole time? So. Yeah,
that's amazing. Well, I. I love what you're doing. I think that
(48:36):
the album is cool. It's so cool. I think the concept of this
is so unique and rad because I love, like, stripped down
versions of songs like that. And especially when you go back and you hear
what, you know, the song became like, hearing the
evolution of, you know, I wrote this song and then it was,
you know, it blew up on Tik Tok. So then we went and produced it,
(48:58):
and then it sounds different when we put it out. Yeah. And then going back
and being like, well, let's put out that version of it again. You know what
I mean? Like, I just think, like, the idea of this, what you're doing, is
so, so cool. Yeah. I also think, like, the coolest part
of it is when I perform it live, it is exactly
as that. So people get to,
(49:19):
like, they always say, oh, my God, it sounds exactly the same. Like, you sound
exactly like the recording. Because it is. That's all it is.
And that's really fun because with what I'm able to do right now and
afford and all this stuff, it's just me and the piano when I
perform. So being able to actually, like,
show, like, play them the song and not leave things
(49:41):
out, really, besides, like, background vocals is like.
Right. That's so fun. Like, I'm really glad that those.
That kind of worked out that way. So it's a fun little
bonus. Love it. Are you doing any shows coming up? You did
a hometown show, but that was, like, a few months ago, right? Yeah, I did
a hometown show. I did a. And I did an LA
(50:02):
headline in on the 31st
or 30th August. So a few weeks
ago. Don't have anything planned out at this point,
but always looking to
play somewhere. Love it. Well, I appreciate your time. Thank you
so much, Avery, for doing this. You are awesome. Thank you. Thank you so much.
(50:25):
Oh, my gosh. This was lovely. I really appreciate it. Oh, no, thank you. I
have one more question. I want to know if you have. But you've been giving
advice throughout this entire interview, but do you have any advice for
aspiring artists? Yes. Okay, wait, let
me think, let me think. Okay.
Don't not release the song because it didn't go viral.
(50:49):
Always. If you like it, people are going to like it.
Release the song.
Bringing it backwards,
bringing it backward, bringing it backward,
(51:10):
bringing it backward, bringing it backward,
bringing it backward.
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