June 30, 2025 • 52 mins
Grab your court transcripts, your conspiracy corkboard, and a very strong cup of coffee, because today we’re getting a broader understanding of June’s wildest crimes, trials, acquittals, disappearances, and internet-fueled chaos.
Trigger warning because this one contains everything from sexual assault to pet death to missing children to Stockholm syndrome and Twitter serial killers.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Clark Alafson, notorious criminal who inspired the term Stockholm syndrome,
dead at seventy eight. Alofson, who became a legend in
the Nordic country for multiple prison breaks, gun toting, bank
robberies and larger than life charm, died at our Vika
Hospital in Home on Tuesday following a lengthy illness.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Daggin's Etc.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Reported the Swede.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Became a headline item in nineteen seventy three when he
and former cellmate Jan Eric Olsen held up the Credit
Bank and Bank in Stockholm in what was the first
ever live crime broadcast in Sweden.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Alofson and his mate were.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
So entrancing over the course of the multi day standoff
that the bank employees being held hostage began to express
more trust and concern for their captors than the police
officers attempting to save them.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Inside the Capitol, in the rotunda and Earn sits behind
the caskets of Mark and Melissa Hortman's beloved dog, Gilbert,
the first dog to lie in state in Minnesota. Sammy
Selina spoke with people in Line today about some of
Gilbert's friends and the comfort they provided today.
Speaker 5 (01:02):
Sammy Lee, Gilbert the Golden Retriever was shot multiple.
Speaker 6 (01:05):
Times when his owners were murdered.
Speaker 7 (01:08):
That was before the decision to put him down.
Speaker 5 (01:10):
Folks told me that they have some sort of comfort,
some relief knowing that Gilbert is in the rotunda with
Mark and Melissa Forrtman.
Speaker 8 (01:20):
Hello, neighbors, lovers, friends, and anyone who burst into tears
one hearing about Gilbert the Golden Retriever in an urn
between his own knows that the Mintionnesota State Capital. I'm
Janiella Scrima and this is Broad's next door. Grab your
court transcripts, your conspiracy cork board, and a very strong
(01:42):
cup of coffee, because today we're getting a broader understanding
of June's wildest crimes, trials, acquittals, disappearances, and Internet fueled chaos.
Trigger warning because this one contains everything from sexual assault
to death two missing children to Stockholm syndrome and Twitter
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serial killers.
Speaker 9 (02:06):
Seven zero zero one murder in the second three Let's
say you is the defendant at the bar.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Guilty, are not guilty? Not guilty? So say you, mister performant,
So say you cho you do you agree? Yet?
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Do you all of you agree?
Speaker 9 (02:20):
Thank you?
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Zero zero two?
Speaker 9 (02:22):
Let's say, is the defendant at the bar not guilty
or guilty?
Speaker 10 (02:26):
Not yours of.
Speaker 9 (02:30):
Is not guilty or guilty about that charge? Are any
lesser included charge? Specifically number five operate under the influence
of liquor by operating a motor vehicle the blood alcohol
level of point oh eight or greater. Correct, So say you,
mister deformant, So say you all yeah zero zero three.
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Let's say is the defendant at the bar leaving the
scene after accident resulting and tests defendant not guilty or guilty.
Speaker 11 (02:58):
So say you, mister performant.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
So so you won't jersey?
Speaker 12 (03:03):
Hi?
Speaker 8 (03:04):
Hello, how is everyone? I hope you're doing well. I
hope you're staying hydrated and not currently engaged in any
high speed manhunts me. I've spent the past few days
knee deep in legal filings, true crime, TikTok spirals, and
at least two separate cases that made me gasp out
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loud and kind of want to throw up. So buckle up,
because this June was unhinged. We're going to start in
the courtroom, where things were just as dramatic as any
dateline special. This past month brought not one, but three
major trials that had the Internet obsessed, the news cycle churning,
and in one case, John Staymos publicly weighing in, you
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know it's serious when Uncle Jesse gets involved. Let's start
in Massachusetts, where the Karen Reed trial aka Boston's messiest,
most memable courtrooms so propera finally with a verdict. If
you missed it, don't worry, we didn't. This was the
case that had everyone from true climb bloggers to suburban
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moms building Google drive folders and accusing cops of planning
evidence on Facebook Live. So here's the recap. Karen Reid
was accused of killing her boyfriend, Boston police officer John
O'Keefe in twenty twenty two by allegedly backing into him
with her SUV after a night of heavy drinking and
leaving him to die in the snow. That's the prosecution's version,
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but her defense said no, John was injured after he
was dropped off, that he was involved in some sort
of fight inside the home, and that other law enforcement
officers have been covering it up. They argued that evidence
was planted, the timeline was off, and Karen was being railroaded.
The trial ended like this she was found not guilty
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of second degree murder, not guilty of vehicular manslaughter, not
guilty of leaving the scene of a collision causing death.
But she was rightfully found guilty of operating under the influence,
which I thought she should have been. I absolutely despise
drinking and driving. The jury deliberated for several days, and
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when the not guilty verdicts were read, Karen and her
supporters sobbed in court. Outside the courthouse chaos applause, news
cameras that one guy who's been live streaming court commentary
from his Honda Civic was basically crying into a Duncan
iced coffee. And this case wasn't about just guilt or innocence.
It became a test for trust in the justice system,
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class privileged gender and the Boston PD people saw what
they wanted to see, a woman scorned, a woman framed,
and depending on which subreddit you follow, both still may
be true.
Speaker 12 (05:48):
Like the first.
Speaker 8 (05:49):
Trial, which ended in a mistrial, this time that charge
of drinking and driving was added by the defense, which
was a really smart move because this way the jury
could still find her guilty of something. But she only
got one year of probation. The jurors have spoken out
a little bit since the verdict, so let's hear from
one of them. This is from NBC News Boston.
Speaker 13 (06:12):
For you about the police investigation, First and foremost the house.
Speaker 14 (06:16):
I mean from if I was in that house, I
know that house would have been stormed first and foremost,
Like no one.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Went into the house.
Speaker 12 (06:27):
The jury, you know, someone's lawn, but.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
No one goes in the house.
Speaker 14 (06:31):
You know, it just doesn't make sense in large part,
and that was just one hole amongst many holes that
we had to sift through.
Speaker 15 (06:41):
How would you describe the police investigation into John O'Keefe's death.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
No justice in a certain aspect.
Speaker 14 (06:48):
Uh, it was it was really uh say shot, not
even say shody because then this I would say lazy
police work because in large part, there's certain things that
you kind of learned one on one about collecting evidence,
making sure no one's near the crime scene, how you
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do when you when you talk to witnesses, all the things.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
One on one, They was all done lazy.
Speaker 14 (07:18):
When how do you h have interviews with all the
people all at once that's supposed to be suspects.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
No one was separated. It was all done in one group.
Speaker 12 (07:31):
That alone.
Speaker 14 (07:33):
It just leave so many speculations and everything.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
It was nothing to grasp on.
Speaker 7 (07:40):
Do you believe there was any collision?
Speaker 14 (07:42):
No, I believe care Read is not guilty.
Speaker 7 (07:44):
Did it put extra pressure on you?
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Being the foreman?
Speaker 14 (07:48):
When I first received the message, at first I was like, Okay,
let me see. But then when I got in the
room and all the evidence there, I was like, whoa, Okay,
now I gotta orchestrate this.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
But it was.
Speaker 14 (07:59):
True a group effort, and we all trusted each other,
all the jurors trusted each other after having we could
call a friendship in which we had amongst each other,
in which we understood what was going on in the
grand scheme of things.
Speaker 7 (08:17):
How did you approach this case?
Speaker 14 (08:20):
Well, I approached it like how any durors should be
approaching it and walking in there understanding this is supposed
to be an innocent person and now and now the
prosecution has to prove the charges.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
And prosecution improved the charges.
Speaker 14 (08:38):
It was ah, well, all hot moment, like wow, he's
there reaching and which was when they talked about the
holes on the back of the hoodie and everything, and
then they had to point back and re bring us
back in and tell us no, those was holes that
was made by the forensic person. And it was like, oh,
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so how we again more holes that we have to
sift through and try to figure out more games that's
being played.
Speaker 15 (09:08):
What evidence stood out regarding driving under the influence, Well, her.
Speaker 14 (09:12):
Own testimony, that's what really kind of was solidified. We
looked at three different clips and then we counted all
the drinks at the two bars and everything. If she sipped,
if John sipped all these different things did they share what?
Speaker 8 (09:28):
I really wonder if anyone else will be prosecuted because
this is still unsolved. I mean John's family, which is
like a cop family, thinks that she did it, but.
Speaker 12 (09:41):
Everyone else was super drunk that night.
Speaker 8 (09:43):
They destroyed their phones that Albert said, they didn't hear
anything from their house, just like it's so clearly a
police cover up. So it's so interesting to see if
the police and their wives will be prosecuted for this.
I really doubted, but they obviously should be. Next we're
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going to Idaho for not a trial, but a pre
trial hearing.
Speaker 16 (10:09):
This morning, new revelations about who could take the stand
at Brian.
Speaker 7 (10:12):
Coberger's quadruple murder trial.
Speaker 16 (10:14):
In August North the defendant is present and decisions by
the judge to keep other names from surfacing.
Speaker 7 (10:20):
In Pennsylvania.
Speaker 16 (10:20):
Today, a hearing will determine whether multiple people who have
been called to testify at the trial will have to
make the cross country trip to Boise, Idaho. The names
include the apparent owner of a boxing gym where Coburger,
who grew up and went to school in northeastern Pennsylvania,
said he once trained, and a man who appears to
own a used car dealership near Coburger's parents' home.
Speaker 13 (10:40):
There's no indication that these witnesses are going to oppose
being compelled to testify, but they may raise issues of
undue hardship. After all, Idaho is not New Jersey. It's
not right next to Pennsylvania. Traveling that far two ways
might pose an undue hardship to some of these witnesses.
Speaker 7 (10:55):
Coberger was arrested.
Speaker 16 (10:56):
At his family home in late twenty twenty two and
charged with the murders of four University of Idaho's students,
Madison Mogan, Kayley Bunsalvez, Zena Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
His lawyer says.
Speaker 16 (11:08):
He's maintained his innocence through an arduous legal process and
intense media attention. The latest documentary about the killings premiering
on Amazon Prime Video next week.
Speaker 13 (11:18):
There's this person out there who had just murdered our brother,
and he's still out there somewhere.
Speaker 6 (11:23):
I'll take the matter on her advisement.
Speaker 16 (11:25):
Meanwhile, the judge dealing dual blows to the defense last week,
shooting down the defense's attempt to postpone the trial over
media leaks.
Speaker 7 (11:32):
Jury selection is going to be particularly challenged.
Speaker 16 (11:35):
Writing in his decision, this court is not willing to
continue the trial indefinitely to allow the defense team to
embark on a phishing expedition. The judge also denying Coburger's
attorney's attempts to present four alternate perpetrators who the defense
argued could have committed the crime instead. In the decision,
he called the evidence entirely irrelevant, noting that there was
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nothing linking the individuals to the homicides.
Speaker 17 (11:58):
So stephis heringdam Sylvani, You're going to go to possible witnesses,
including someone.
Speaker 16 (12:02):
Who worked at the jail in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 7 (12:04):
Yeah, you know, an.
Speaker 17 (12:05):
Employee at the jail, and they'll go over whether or
not that person's going to make that trip to Boise, Idaho.
You remember that Coburger was arrested in his parents' home
in Pennsylvania. That's where he grew up after authority, say,
the FBI tracked him and his father on a four
day cross country trip from Washington. I remember that DNA
in the trash can being the way they saying, all right, Steph,
thank you.
Speaker 8 (12:24):
That was from the Today Show. So Berger's legal team
tried to pull what's called an alternate perpetrator defense. Basically,
they were saying, sure, our guy could have done it,
but also maybe it was someone else entirely, someone socially
connected to the victims, someone who once followed one of
them out of a parking lot. No, Judge Stephen Hipler
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is not having it. He ruled the defense couldn't name
other suspects in court unless they had actual evidence linking
them to the crime, not just vibes and a suspicious
Instagram comment. That's where Coburger's team fell short.
Speaker 12 (13:02):
The judge literally said, there was.
Speaker 8 (13:04):
A skintilla of competent evidence to connect these people to
the murders. And not to sound like a legal scholar,
but when a judge breaks out a word like skintilla,
which I don't even know if I'm saying correctly, you
know you're kind of screwed. The trial is still scheduled
for August, and unless something wild happens, it's looking to
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be a pretty straightforward showdown Coburger versus the Herenzics. No
red herrings, no last minute plot twists, and no shadowy
acquaintances with blurry alibis. Just the cold hard question did
he do it? Or are we about to connect and
convict another man based on circumstantial evidence and TikTok rumors.
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Time will tell, but Idaho and the rest of the
nation is watching. So now let's slide into the case
that feels like it was a ghost written by Ryan
Murphy and an American crime story and by whoever did
the idol. I'm talking about Sean Ditty, Comb's music mogul
Tyquila Tycoon and alleged criminal mastermind. This month, prosecutors wrapped
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up their case in Ditty's federal trial, as did the defense,
and it's a hell of a case. We're talking sex trafficking, racketeering, conspiracy,
interstate prostitution, you name it. They're charging it. The government
painted Ditty as the ringleader of what they're calling a
coercive criminal enterprise where women were groomed, trafficked, and exploited,
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and the prosecution's star witness his ex singer Cassie Ventura,
the woman whose civil lawsuits set this avalanche in motion.
Cassie took the stand and didn't flinch. Prosecutors described her
as unafraid, despite the defense's not so subtle attempts to
frame her as money hungry and bitter. One of Ditty's
lawyers even called her the real winner in all of this,
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which is a hell of a thing to say about
someone who's testifying two years of abuse and control. And
just to be clear, this isn't just about that one
relationship gone toxic. This is about multiple victims, multiple associates,
and a clear pattern stretching across cities, decades, and bank statements.
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Diddy has denied all wrongdoing. The public sentiment not exactly
in this favor. Let's just say bad boy for life.
Speaker 12 (15:22):
HiT's a little.
Speaker 8 (15:22):
Different when you're looking at a possible reco conviction and
the Internet has already started rewriting your Wikipedia page. The
jury's now got a mountain of testimony, evidence and receipts
to go through. But what things certain, whatever happens in court,
Ditty's reputation isn't just damaged, It's been completely detonated.
Speaker 12 (15:42):
This is from TMC.
Speaker 18 (15:44):
Welcome to DMC live, Harvey leven here old here. So
the prosecution in the Ditty case, they are winding up now,
closing arguments tomorrow and Friday.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
The jury gets the case probably Monday.
Speaker 18 (15:54):
So the prosecution just filed paperwork today actually in the
form of a letter to the judge saying that they
wanted to simplify the jury and instructions per the judges instructions.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
And what they're doing is they're streamlining things.
Speaker 18 (16:07):
That there are charges alleging kidnapping arson that's the kid
Cutty case.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
They are alleging aiding.
Speaker 18 (16:14):
In a betting, in sex trafficking. They are slimming that
all down so that they're not going to kind of
overburden and overwhelm the jury. They're saying with instructions, right,
they're saying that to the judge that when you when
you give the jury their instructions, just leave out the
attempt at kidnapping, leave out attempt at arson. They're saying,
in a betting why it's actual arts and those things
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the counts, the charges still remain.
Speaker 15 (16:40):
They're saying, there's no reason in the jury instructions to
tell them about the attempt of kidnapp.
Speaker 18 (16:46):
And I'll tell you why, because actual attempted means you
failed or didn't go through with it. They're alleging it
was gone through with, so why.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Bother calling it an attempt?
Speaker 15 (16:58):
The jury is going to have there's so many because
there are four cancers, because one of them is a
Rico count that has so many underlying alleged crimes. They
just want to simplify this so that the jury when
they get their instructions, No so legal legal, SI, let's
talk about what really matters.
Speaker 19 (17:14):
Hold on.
Speaker 15 (17:14):
I want to say that I know what you want
to get to and we should. But this also plays
into that because this is going to be a very complicated.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Thing for the jury SuperComp to look at, and they
are partly going to be a.
Speaker 12 (17:27):
Guilty. Like really, looks like this is.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Going to take a day. So Tomorrow Thursday argument will be.
Speaker 18 (17:35):
Friday the defense's closing argument, and then the judge is
going to give instructions to the jury, which may take
a couple hours in terms of what we just talked about.
So realistically, the jury is going to start deliberating on Monday.
Speaker 15 (17:47):
So you've got gonna they might have an hour or
so late on Friday, or.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
They may do it.
Speaker 18 (17:53):
They may do it on Friday, depending, they may do it,
but the jury is probably going to.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Start deliberating in earnest on Monday.
Speaker 18 (17:57):
The reality here, folks is that if you've talked to
your friends, you know, some people say, oh, he's guilty
on everything, He's guilty on nothing. I don't see the
Rinko charge, but I do see the Man Act charge.
So my gut tells me and I don't try to
guess juries. But they're not going to all agree right
out of the gate, So there's going to be debate
and you know, going over evidence and talking. So Monday
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goes never.
Speaker 15 (18:20):
They're twenty eight days of testimony and they're going to
go over a lot of well remember and no Jaysimson
there was nine months, but they came in two hours. Yeah,
so it really well that was It really just depends,
But I think Monday.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Is going to bleed into Tuesday.
Speaker 18 (18:33):
Then if you get into Wednesday.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
There's an issue. Now things start tightening up.
Speaker 19 (18:38):
Really up against the clock because Friday's July four Thursdays
July third.
Speaker 20 (18:42):
Do they want to come in on Thursday Thursday or
do they want to get done on the.
Speaker 8 (18:46):
Yeah, Thursday, the courts are closed. But I think by
next Monday, a week from now, we'll have a verdict
in this. Now, let's go to a case that already
had a verdict and not is Gypsy Rose Blanchard, who
has just finished her probation. No, it's not probation, it's
parole because she was in prison. It is from conspiras
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can Spira.
Speaker 12 (19:10):
T on YouTube.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
Gypsy Rose Blanchard is officially off parole and she's already
posted her first TikTok video.
Speaker 7 (19:17):
Slamming co defendant Nicholas go to John and her quote haters.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
So I wanted to go over this with you guys,
especially for those of you who are not on TikTok.
So first I want to bring your attention to the
caption of the.
Speaker 12 (19:29):
Lot of us and I'm breaking my joined it follow.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
Blanchard hashtag Nicholas go to John hashtag Dedie Blanchard, hashtag
Nina Beauty influencer hashtag sir morbid, hashtag too many, what
the bug, Hello, Starlight, Fancy Mazzelli, Lindsey Tyler, four to four, Keish,
Kajuan Navy, Jen Coco, Danzig, Chrissy g Karma Collector, Zora,
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Gypsy Drama, and all of the less known creators. Hashtag
can kiss my ass hashtag mic drop. Well, first, I'm offended.
I'm offended you didn't hashtag me, but you know it's whatever.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
So let's dive.
Speaker 7 (20:09):
Into this video.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
Here's the first thing she put, I've taken accountability, and
now I take back my life. When I accepted my sentence,
I accepted the weight of my choices.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
I served my time.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
That was my accountability, and I've carried it for years.
I don't owe the past anything more. As for Nicholas,
go to John. Yes, he is a deeply disturbed man,
but he also knew the difference between right and wrong,
regardless of my role of unintentional manipulation.
Speaker 7 (20:32):
And then she has in parentheses.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
This type of manipulation isn't rooted in malice. It's often
a reflection of past trauma, the lack of emotion. The
key difference is intent. The person is not trying to
deceive or control, but the behavior still affects others and
requires self awareness and growth to correct. So Gipsy is
stating that she unintentionally manipulated Nicholas. Go to John Nicholas
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made the decison to move forward.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
With that night.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
That was his choice, and he is not exempt from
the consequences of that choice. His diagnosis of autism slash
Aspergers does not excuse what he did. Mental health is complex,
but accountability matters, and no one is above the law.
His fate was decided by a panel of judges, prosecutors, lawyers,
and twelve jury members who reviewed the same evidence circulating online.
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His efforts of appeals have all been unsuccessful, each court
agreeing with the original conviction.
Speaker 8 (21:31):
So if you're not familiar, which I don't know how
you can't be. But Gipsy was a victim of Munchausen
by proxy. She was abused for years by her mother.
Her mother claimed she had cancer, she had her teeth removed,
she was on all these medications. She couldn't be, she
wasn't allowed to walk, and she got this secret boyfriend, Nick,
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and they planned on killing her mom together. After eight
years behind bars in six months of parole. I feel
like that's wrong, feel like it wasn't eight years. She's
now a completely free woman. Her parole officially ended on
June fourth, June twenty fourth, and the second it did,
she hopped on Instagram and TikTok like you just saw
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and hit us with a caption that felt like the
spiritual opposite of Mommy dead and dearest. She wrote on Instagram.
This next chapter is one appealing of growth, of reclaiming
my life, and honestly, my main take is good for her.
She's served her time for conspiring in the murder of
her mother, Dedee Blanchard, and Deete spent Gypsy's entire childhood
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faking these illnesses, shaving her head, forging medical records, and
keeping her in a wheelchair she didn't need. So when
Gypsy meets Nick online, the two plotted and carried out
Dede's murder. And yes, it's very complificated, and it's very horrifying,
and it's one of the true future crime cases that
had the entire Internet for a while saying, honestly, I
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get it. But when Gypsy got really in late twenty
twenty three, it seemed to a lot of people like
she was having a bit too much fun. She's gotten married,
gotten back with her ex, posted thirt straps, and is
now getting a second lifetime series. So if the parole
chapter was her reband and this next one seems like
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it's kind of her revenge tour. She says she's writing
a book. She said some choice things about Nick and
if you can swint squint, you can already see the
Hulu mini series on the horizon. But they've already done
one of those, so we'll see if we get a
second one. Gypsy is free though, and she's not hiding,
and honestly, that might be what unsettles people the most. Okay,
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let's talk about another unsettling character who I just put
an episode out about a few weeks ago, and that
would be mister eating bull testicles for breakfast. Brian Johnston,
better known as the Liver King. He's back in the headlines,
and this time it's not for lying about stairs or
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butchering account in his kitchen. No. Now, he's being charged
with making terroristic threats after allegedly posting a series of
unhinged Instagram videos aimed directly at Joe Rogan. Yeah, that
Joe Rogan apparently deliver King flew into a raged spiral
because Rogan, who has been very publicly skeptical of Johnson's claims,
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called out his steroid use and overall vibe of barely
contained testosterone poisoning. Johnson responded by challenging him to a
flight and flying to Austin, where Rogan lives, to allegedly
confront him in person. Now, if you're thinking this sounds
like a publicity stunt that accidentally crossed into felony territory,
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you're not wrong. But the Austin police didn't think it
was funny. They arrested him on June twenty fifth and
hit him with a misdemeanor charge for terroristic threat. Rogan
reportedly told authorities he was worried about Johnson's state of mind,
and honestly same, You know, if Joe Rogan is worried
about your state of mind, that things.
Speaker 12 (25:07):
Are like really bad.
Speaker 8 (25:08):
This is a man who lies about being ancestral while
injecting himself with synthetic hormones, yells into the void about
primal masculinity like he's some feral wolf, and now things
threatening a podcaster will earn him back his empire of
raw meat and basically MLM supplements. It's kind of like
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if Guston from Beauty and the Beast joined far right
militia and then got banned from Whole Foods. As of now,
the Liver King is out on bond, but I wouldn't
be surprised if he life ends up live streaming a
trial by combat from achiro therapy tank by next week.
Let this be a reminder that influencer culture, roid fuel delusion,
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and unchecked ego are terrifying combo and not even Joe
Rogan wants that smoke.
Speaker 21 (26:00):
Followers as the Liver King for his promotion of a
supposedly prehistoric diet. But now he's what one would call
under arrest. Fitness influencer Brian Johnson was arrested by the
Austin Police Department for.
Speaker 7 (26:13):
Making a terroristic threat, which is.
Speaker 21 (26:15):
A mystified edition against podcaster Joe Rogan. In videos posted
just prior to the arrest, Johnson seemed to know that
this was coming, but I'm.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Weare you in more than me and you're black? Thought
why not?
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Just for fun?
Speaker 21 (26:29):
Johnson has multi videos challenging Rogan to a fight in
unusual ways.
Speaker 8 (26:34):
I could win in a fight against Joe Rogan or
the lever Tang.
Speaker 21 (26:38):
For the record, police say they contacted Rogan, who's an
Austin resident. He told them that he has never met
Johnson but still considers his social media posts threatening. This
investigation is ongoing for Inside Edition Digital.
Speaker 7 (26:52):
I'm Mara Monselvano.
Speaker 8 (26:54):
Now let's leave Austin, Texas for the Mountains of Washington,
where another piece of shit, a true monster, Brian Decker
is still on the loose after killing his three daughters
last month. Did I just call him Brian Decker. His
name is Travis Decker of Brian on the Brain. Travis Decker,
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thirty two years old, army veteran, former father of three.
On June second, the bodies of Peyton nine, Evelyn eight,
and Olivia five were found near his abandoned truck at
Rock Island Campground. All three girls had been suffocated. There
were bloody handprints on the vehicle, and DNA testing confirmed
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the blood was not Brian's but an animal's. Because also
at this scene his dog alive and, according to forensic experts,
likely injured while trying to protect the girls.
Speaker 12 (27:48):
Let that's it for a second.
Speaker 8 (27:50):
A German shepherd tried to fight off a father killing
his children and survived. When they found the bodies, the
guard was the dog was guarding them. There are still
no actual confirmed sightings of Decker, even though his blood
was found on some rocks, and there may be a
sign that some hikers saw him. But cadaver dogs, search dogs,
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aerial drones, local and federal agents, they've all searched the
dense terrain and it seems like he's vanished. Some think
he may have planned this. Others believe he may have
already died by suicide somewhere remote hopefully, but until his
body is found, the public remains on edge. And it's
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not just the horror of what he did, it's how
common this is becoming. If you are interested in this
kind of stuff, have the morbid curiosity for it. I
did do an episode about family annihilators when that happened.
A Psychologists say these are not crimes of passion. They're premeditated,
perform performative, and often born from entitlement and race. I
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think with Travis Decker it was also some kind of
PTSD from his time in the army, But I truly
have no idea if that's something I'm just even saying
to comfort myself in the horror of it. As of
this recording, Travis Decker is still out there and his
three little girls are gone. And this next one, there's
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just no easy way to introduce it, because the next
dog trying to protect its owners didn't make it. And
that was the golden retriever, Gilbert, who was shot multiple
times when his home was broken into by a madman.
Vance Bolter, a self proclaimed patriot who posed as a
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police officer and showed up at the home of Minnesota's
state representative, Melissa Hortman and her husband Mark. He shot Melissa,
he shot Mark, and he shot Gilbert, their golden retriever,
who was mortally wounded trying to protect them. Melissa Hortman
wasn't just any lawmaker. She was a Democratic leader, a
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former House speaker, and the first women in Minnesota history
to lie in the state capitol.
Speaker 12 (30:11):
And she didn't lie there alone.
Speaker 8 (30:13):
Because, for the first time in recorded state history, her
dog Gilbert's ashes were honored beside her. His urn sat
between the two caskets, gold colored and glowing under rotinda lights.
Next to it a box of milk bones, a sticky
note that read for the best Boy, Gilbert. Hundreds lined
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up to pay their respects, not just for Melissa and Mark,
but for the golden retriever who flunked out of service
dog school for being too friendly and became a guardian instead.
Gilbert wasn't just a pet, he was family. He was
loyalty made flesh. Annie died protecting the people who loved him.
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The suspect Bolter has also been charged in the attempted
murders of another Democratic state senator and his wife, and
had reportedly shown up at two other lawmakers' homes before
being caught. This wasn't random, This was political violence, and
this should send a chill through every hallway in this country.
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Rest in peace to Melissa, Mark and sweet boy Gilbert,
who may have been too friendly for police work, but
was exactly what this world needs more of.
Speaker 6 (31:24):
Well.
Speaker 20 (31:24):
I spent Saturday remembering Melissa and Mark Cortman. This morning,
an emotional mass moved many to tears at Saint Mary's
Basilica in downtown Minneapolis. Leaders including former President Joe Biden
and former Vice President Kamala Harris, came from across the
state and country to pay the respects to the political powerhouse.
Our Caroline Cummings was at that poignant service remembering the Hortman's.
Speaker 11 (31:48):
Inside Saint Mary's Basilica, Warners gathered to remember Melissa and
Mark Cortman, two people devoted to making their communities a
better place.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Sake me love.
Speaker 11 (32:01):
Father Daniel Griffith, pastor of the church, in his homiliesa
the couple manifested a dynamic pairing of head and heart.
Speaker 7 (32:08):
Spent two decades in the Minnesota legislature.
Speaker 12 (32:11):
Hastas, I really don't.
Speaker 6 (32:13):
There were two lights that guided their life.
Speaker 8 (32:16):
He just said, more bombs to Israel and community.
Speaker 20 (32:20):
Service and community are antidotes to our present afflictions as
a state and as a nation.
Speaker 7 (32:26):
They were adoring parents of Sophie and Colin.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
We are born to eternal life.
Speaker 11 (32:32):
Amen and family and friends were among the over one
thousand people who paid their respects.
Speaker 7 (32:37):
Many state lawmakers and former.
Speaker 11 (32:38):
President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris also in
attendance and emotional. Governor Tim Wall said Melissa Hortman is
the most consequential speaker in state history, and said her
work in the legislature will impact Minnesotans for generations.
Speaker 13 (32:52):
I know millions of Minnesotans get to live their lives
better because she and Mark chose public service and politics, and.
Speaker 11 (32:59):
The Hortman's love and compassion will impact their community forever.
Speaker 22 (33:03):
But I do believe that we will experience joy again,
and Mark and Melissa would not want it any other way.
Speaker 7 (33:08):
And my friends Caroline Cummings.
Speaker 12 (33:11):
W Hunt believe we killed the fucking dogar.
Speaker 20 (33:13):
There was a private burial for the Hortman's after the funeral. Today,
their children, Colin and Sophie, say the best way to
honor their parents' memory is to do something, whether big
or small, to make our community better for someone else.
Another one of the most powerful moments today came from
a close family friend.
Speaker 22 (33:29):
My father died unexpectedly in twenty four in Maryland. Melissa
Hortman dropped everything to fly to Maryland to be with me,
and Mark Hortman caught everything so she could be with
her friend. From Khalil Gibron's the Prophet, some of you
say joy is greater than sorrow, and others say, nay,
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sorrow is the greater. But I say, unto you, they
are inseparable together they come and when and sits.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Alone with you at your board.
Speaker 22 (34:02):
Remember that the other is asleep upon your bed.
Speaker 7 (34:05):
We are buried in sorrow right now.
Speaker 8 (34:08):
I don't have it in take off, so you're going to.
Speaker 7 (34:11):
Let one in any other way. Goodbye, my friends.
Speaker 20 (34:16):
The final farewell for the Hortman's was filled with tears
and moments of laughter, and moments for this guy, a
gentle golden retriever, a beloved family member, Gilbert Hortman, a
soul that lived to be of service and a major
part of the Hortman family.
Speaker 12 (34:29):
I can't believe he shot the dog too. I can't
believe he shot a golden receiver.
Speaker 20 (34:34):
His story.
Speaker 12 (34:34):
I hope he publicly.
Speaker 6 (34:37):
Patient comes into us.
Speaker 23 (34:38):
INSIGNE Allied Emergency Vetinary Service.
Speaker 6 (34:41):
Gilbert was seeted in here.
Speaker 23 (34:42):
Doctors work fast and against time. June fourteenth was no different.
Speaker 19 (34:47):
I think there's just a special that you feel when
you see something like that done to an innocent animal.
Speaker 23 (34:53):
Gilbert Hortman was rushed with multiple gunshot wounds.
Speaker 6 (34:56):
But we immediately started stabilizing him.
Speaker 7 (34:58):
He was shot in the same tragedy.
Speaker 23 (34:59):
That's the lives of speaker at marital Melissa and her
husband Mark Cortman, Doctor Brett Raby and his team fought
to save him.
Speaker 7 (35:06):
Ultimately the decision.
Speaker 8 (35:11):
Human life, kaling gold, I would love to kill this man.
Speaker 12 (35:20):
I would love as a scout. His eyes out.
Speaker 23 (35:23):
Rman family, and he received the kind of farewell heroes
receive at the Capitol, becoming the first animal to lie
in state, right next to his partners in life, not
far away, his furry friends standing guard at the eulogy.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
And Gilbert said the beg for scraps and in.
Speaker 23 (35:42):
The face of heartbreak, the clinic that worked so hard
to save him is turning pain into purpose.
Speaker 19 (35:48):
Try and raise some money to honor Gilbert's service.
Speaker 23 (35:53):
A story that doesn't end in silence. In Brooklyn Parker
Ali w c c.
Speaker 8 (35:58):
O News an all link to the Gilbert Fund in
the show Resources. Now we head to Nova Scotia, where
Lily and Jack Sullivan have been missing since May. Seconds
from their rural home in Lansdowne's Station, one moment, they
were at home, according to the parents, the mom and stepdad,
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the next minute they were gone, and as of this recording,
nearly two months later, there's still no sign of them.
The Royal Canadian Mountain Police have conducted over fifty interviews,
brought in forensic investigators and even administered polygraph tests to
several individuals. But the investigation is tight lipped. They're really
not saying anything. I feel like they're saying too little
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to keep public attention for this case. No suspects have
been named publicly, no rests, no updates that feel like progress.
Search parties combed the woods, helicopters scanned the rivers. Nothing
not a footprint, not a shirt, not a shoe. The
RCMP has now acknowledged that they've shifted from a missing
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person's case to a criminal investigation. That believes That means
they believe that someone does know something and just isn't
saying it. But let's be honest like here, like, let's
be honest here. Cases like this often vanished from headlines
unless the children look this certain way or the family
fit a certain narrative. And these people were poor, if
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nothing else, they were poor. And the silence around this case,
it's kind of been deafening. I don't know if it's
bigger in Canada than here, but in that kind of void,
theories spread. Neighbors side at each other, parents lock the doors,
and we make assumptions. We think the mom did it.
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I mean, if you're me. You think the mom was involved.
She left the area soon afterward, she changed her Facebook status.
I know everyone grieves differently, but she shouldn't have been
green yet. For me, that's a problem. Her the step husband,
he the step husband, the stepdad, her husband, and the daughter,
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the father of their baby. To me, it almost seemed
like he had some kind of Stockholm syndrome and whatever
he knew, he covered up for her, or he was
he was lied to. But let's talk a little bit
more about Stockholm syndrome because this week Clark Ulphassin and
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I know that's not how you stayed In Swedish they
say it like old old old sin. But Sweden's most
notorious charmer, con man and career criminal died this month
at the age of seventy eight. If his name doesn't
ring a bell, his legacy probably does, because in nineteen
seventy three he was at the center of a bank
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heist so bizarre it gave birth to a term that
now lives in the psychology textbooks, cop shows, and countless
arm chair analyzes of rebusive relationships, Stockholm syndrome. Here's what happened.
A man named John Eric walked into a bank in
Stockholm with a machine gun and took four hostages. But
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instead of demanding a helicopter or a suitcase full of cash,
Olison asked police to bring him Clark Ulphison, his friend,
fellow criminal and then current prison inmate. The cops agreed.
Olphison joined the hostage situation like was a social event,
and what followed was six days of chaos, manipulation, and
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bizarre emotional entanglements. The hostages began identifying more with their
captors than the police, which to me is like completely understandable.
Some even defended them after the ordeal was over. That
psychological phenomenon when a victim forms emotional bonds with their
abuser was named Stockholm syndrome, and Olphison became its unlikely
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poster child. Dark's life didn't end in the seventies. He
kept robbing, escaping, conning, charming, and reinventing himself for decades.
He was like a Swedish catch me if you can,
except with more bank robberies and less of Leonardo DiCaprio's
bone structure. He claimed to have reformed. He gave interviews.
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He became sort of a cult figure in Europe. This
Rakish anti hero who is dangerous, yes, but also clever, funny,
and misunderstood. He once said, I never hurt people, I
just stole things. That's different, and I agree, and that
right there is the dark heart of his story, because
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it's easy to fall for the charming thief in a movie,
and it's hard to remember that real lives were disrupted,
real people were terrified, and real trauma was left behind.
Clark is dead, but Sockholm syndrome.
Speaker 12 (40:52):
Alive and well.
Speaker 8 (40:54):
We end this month's roundup not in a courtroom or
small town, but in Tokyo, where on juwe In twenty fifth,
a man known around the world as the Twitter Killer
was executed by hanging. His name was Takario Shi Rushi.
He was thirty four, and the crimes he committed will
haunt Japan for decades to come. Between twenty seventeen and
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twenty eighteen, he lured nine people, eight women and one man,
using into his apartment using Twitter. He specifically targeted those
who were vulnerable, posting about depression, suicidal ideation, and feeling alone.
What he offered was not help, not empathy, not connection.
He told them he'd help them die. Instead, he killed
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them himself. According to Japan's Justice minister, his victims were
mentally fragile girls looking for escape. Once they arrived at
his apartment, they were beaten, strangled, killed, robbed, and mutilated.
Their dismembered remains were found stored in coolers and boxes
less than twenty miles outside of Tokyo. He confessed openly.
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He said he was relieved when he was caught, but
he never showed remorse. His execution was carried out with
in accordance with Japanese law. I had no idea they
had the death penalty there where capital punishment is rare
but still used in cases of overwhelming brutality. And I
know this is heavy, but it's also important because this
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wasn't just a serial killer using a platform. This was
a failure of connection, of digital empathy, of mental health systems,
and of the false safety nets we tell ourselves social
media provides.
Speaker 12 (42:35):
He used Twitter.
Speaker 8 (42:36):
I'm not going to call it X to build a
trap disguised as a lifeline, and nine people are dead
because of it. Justice may have been served with his hanging,
but it doesn't bring anybody back. That ache remains in
all of these stories, The freaking ache remains. And I
didn't have this one written in my script because I
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finished it before it happened, So I'm gonna throw it
in now. And that was in Cordelaine, Idaho, yesterday, where
someone started a forest fire, started a brush fire, and
where the when the fireman showed up, he opened fire
on them with a machine gun. This part, this kind
of story just feels so distinctly American, with these freaking
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shootings and these freaking ar fifteens. It's just never ending
and targeting the fire department, I mean, they're not ice, Like,
what the hell are these people doing.
Speaker 12 (43:34):
That's who you're gonna target. You're gonna target firemen.
Speaker 8 (43:37):
This was posted just forty minutes go on CNN as
quickly as possible.
Speaker 19 (43:43):
This information is very preliminary and is subject to change.
We want to give you in the public as much
information as quickly as possible, so that approximately one twenty
one pm this afternoon, we received reports of a fire
on the east side of Canfield Mountain. Fire assets responded
to the scene, and at approximately two pm this afternoon
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it was reported that firefighters were receiving shots fired at them.
Speaker 6 (44:12):
We now have two deaths.
Speaker 19 (44:15):
We have an unknown amount of casualties.
Speaker 6 (44:17):
We still have civilians that are.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
Coming off of that mountain.
Speaker 19 (44:20):
We might have civilians that are stuck or in shock
on that mountain.
Speaker 7 (44:26):
So this is a very very This is from yesterday.
Speaker 8 (44:30):
I think we all have a more recent We.
Speaker 19 (44:32):
Are actively taking sniper fire as we speak.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
This is a this is an active situation.
Speaker 19 (44:39):
We have multiple agencies that are unseen from local and
federal authorities, and we are prepared to neutralize this suspect
who is currently actively shooting at public safety personnel. We
are prepared to neutralize this suspect as quickly.
Speaker 8 (44:58):
And they didn't even get to the piece of shit
shot himself.
Speaker 3 (45:02):
That's really all that we know as of right now.
We don't know who the suspects are.
Speaker 6 (45:08):
We don't know how many there are.
Speaker 19 (45:11):
So I know that it's very, very very early, and
I don't think that any questions would yield anything.
Speaker 24 (45:20):
We're following breaking news tonight. Multiple firefighters have been shot
in Idaho and at least two people are dead. This
is happening in Cordelaine at Canfield Mountain Park with hiking
and bike trails. This is right on the border between Washington.
Speaker 3 (45:34):
State and Idaho.
Speaker 24 (45:36):
Official state firefighters were responding to a brush fire, and
officials just had a press conference a little while ago
where the sheriff said law enforcement officers are still actively
taking rapid sniper fire. I want to bring in CNN's
senior law enforcement analyst and former Washington DC Police Chief
Charles Ramsay and former Boston.
Speaker 6 (45:55):
Police Commissioner Chief Ed Davis.
Speaker 24 (45:57):
Chief Davis, I want to start with you because look
very much active scene.
Speaker 6 (46:01):
They're saying they're taking active sniper fire.
Speaker 24 (46:03):
They believe it is coming in rapid fire as well.
Can you just talk to me about how you are
assessing what we know so far from this situation.
Speaker 10 (46:15):
Certainly you know this is sort of a police department's
worst nightmare. You have someone in a heavily worded area
and they're they're a distance away from any populated locations,
so you have to move assets into the area to
respond to the threat. And our SWAT teams are very
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well trained. They can operate in any kind of territory,
so they're not unused to operating in a wooded area.
We had a similar type incident in New Hampshire about
twenty years ago.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
The police responded very quickly and effectively, but you.
Speaker 10 (46:54):
Really need to have air assets and the ability to
move in what essentially the ground troops to go after
something like this. This is more a military operation than
the typical police response that we're used to.
Speaker 24 (47:10):
And Chief Ramsey just on that point, trying to bring
in additional resources. What are the conversations like right now?
If you are the local police chief, you're the local sheriff,
and you are trying to get additional resources in.
Speaker 6 (47:22):
What are you calling in? What helps in a situation
like this? Well, you know, jurisdictions trained together and they.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
Have mutual aid agreements.
Speaker 14 (47:30):
This is close to the border near Washington, so I'm
sure they probably have reached out that far to try
to get some additional assets.
Speaker 6 (47:37):
You have federal agencies that are responding.
Speaker 18 (47:40):
So they're going to have a lot of assets available
to them.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
Problem is is it mentioned? It's very difficult.
Speaker 3 (47:46):
This is a heavily wooded area.
Speaker 2 (47:48):
You have at least.
Speaker 8 (47:49):
One and I believe they were able to put the
fire out too, but I'm honestly not sure because this
is all still just happening.
Speaker 12 (47:56):
But God, what a shit show the world is right now.
A shit show. The world is right now.
Speaker 8 (48:02):
I'm gonna have to do a couple lighter episodes this
week because I'm getting so bummed out with this stuff.
I hope you're taking care of yourself. I hope you're
enjoying your summer, even though I know it's really hard
to do. Like I often feel really guilty for enjoying
myself when so many bad things are happening and I'm
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not enjoying myself right now, I feel I feel like
I'm getting depressed, which like is not typical for as
typical for me as.
Speaker 12 (48:31):
A summer thing.
Speaker 8 (48:32):
But everything happening, everything that's still happening in Gaza right now,
everything that's happening with ice here, like that should be
like my breaking true crime story. It should just be
ice and kidnapping people off the streets, because like it's
just insane. It's insane what they're doing. They don't have warrants,
they have like these blask masks over their head. They
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were all so anti mask and now they're all masked up,
just kidnpping people without due process, which, like the Constitution
doesn't matter anymore. The Supreme Court is just a bunch
of well, I don't even fucking know what to say
about them. It's just I feel so uncomfortable living here now.
I feel like I'm doing something wrong by living in
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the country that I was born. And I posted a
video when the United States bombed a ran last week
where I was like, you know, I have Italian citizenship
and I kind of just want to move to Europe
right now. I don't want to stay in fight. I
don't want to try and make things better. I want
to freaking leave because everything feels so bad. You can't
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even be a freaking golden retriever right now. Like, what
the hell kind of world is this? Like I posted
a thing for Hindra Job's mom who's trying to raise money,
and then I had to take it down because she
was getting death threats, and like I got, I get
horrible threats too every time I share something for her.
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But like, I don't care about myself in that way anymore.
Speaker 12 (50:05):
I don't care.
Speaker 8 (50:06):
I just like, threaten me, don't threaten the woman who
had to listen to the last minutes of her daughter's
life on a phone call.
Speaker 12 (50:16):
I just it's awful.
Speaker 8 (50:18):
It's just all so awful, and it's so hard to
stay positive.
Speaker 12 (50:23):
It's so hard to know what to do.
Speaker 8 (50:26):
I feel like I'm not doing enough, but I don't
know what to do, and that makes me.
Speaker 12 (50:32):
Really just want to leave.
Speaker 8 (50:34):
It just all feels so freaking horrible, and I don't
want to have some I love my country's Stockholm syndrome
because that's what it literally feels like to me. When
people are telling me how great we have it here,
it feels like, Wow, you are are brainwashed. Mom, Donnie
want in New York and people are talking about how
we're gonna have sharia law. I do have an episode
(50:57):
coming out on that on Friday about like the Cold
War and nine to eleven and how this led to
this huge fear of both communism and Islamophobia and how
that still lingers, and how out of touch the Democratic
Party is, how out of touch they are that they
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just don't understand why this is a good victory, and
they themselves are going to condemn it and fight it.
So I know everything is terrible, but please try and
take care of yourself and I will talk to.
Speaker 12 (51:33):
You very soon.
Speaker 8 (51:38):
All right, thank you so much for listening to another.
Speaker 12 (51:42):
Episode of broad to next Door. I know this one
was a mix of.
Speaker 8 (51:46):
Heartbreak or injustice and injustice. If you want to support
families like the Sullivans, or organizations tracking fugitives like Travis Checker.
Check the episode, justscription for links to verified sources. And
if no one's told you today, you matter. You're not alone.
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I'm so glad you're here and you listened.
Speaker 12 (52:11):
If you enjoyed this episode.
Speaker 8 (52:13):
Please like, rate, give it five stars, make sure you're subscribed,
make sure you have notifications on share it with a friend.
Tomorrow we'll have something lighter, like the Poop Cruise and
some cruise ship disappearances which are pretty dark. Having an
Americana and Haunted road trip episode coming up Wednesday. I
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was going to do the Life and Death of Matthew Perry,
but I need to put maybe need to do something lighter.
Maybe we'll do the Sex in the City episode instead.
Still in Florida, recording at my parents' house, so the
sound is not as good on these, and I apologize
for that, but I appreciate you.
Speaker 12 (52:50):
Thank you for listening. I'll talk to you soon. Bye.
Clark Alafson, notorious criminal who inspired the term Stockholm syndrome,
dead at seventy eight. Alofson, who became a legend in
the Nordic country for multiple prison breaks, gun toting, bank
robberies and larger than life charm, died at our Vika
Hospital in Home on Tuesday following a lengthy illness.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Daggin's Etc.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Reported the Swede.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Became a headline item in nineteen seventy three when he
and former cellmate Jan Eric Olsen held up the Credit
Bank and Bank in Stockholm in what was the first
ever live crime broadcast in Sweden.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Alofson and his mate were.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
So entrancing over the course of the multi day standoff
that the bank employees being held hostage began to express
more trust and concern for their captors than the police
officers attempting to save them.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Inside the Capitol, in the rotunda and Earn sits behind
the caskets of Mark and Melissa Hortman's beloved dog, Gilbert,
the first dog to lie in state in Minnesota. Sammy
Selina spoke with people in Line today about some of
Gilbert's friends and the comfort they provided today.
Speaker 5 (01:02):
Sammy Lee, Gilbert the Golden Retriever was shot multiple.
Speaker 6 (01:05):
Times when his owners were murdered.
Speaker 7 (01:08):
That was before the decision to put him down.
Speaker 5 (01:10):
Folks told me that they have some sort of comfort,
some relief knowing that Gilbert is in the rotunda with
Mark and Melissa Forrtman.
Speaker 8 (01:20):
Hello, neighbors, lovers, friends, and anyone who burst into tears
one hearing about Gilbert the Golden Retriever in an urn
between his own knows that the Mintionnesota State Capital. I'm
Janiella Scrima and this is Broad's next door. Grab your
court transcripts, your conspiracy cork board, and a very strong
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cup of coffee, because today we're getting a broader understanding
of June's wildest crimes, trials, acquittals, disappearances, and Internet fueled chaos.
Trigger warning because this one contains everything from sexual assault
to death two missing children to Stockholm syndrome and Twitter
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serial killers.
Speaker 9 (02:06):
Seven zero zero one murder in the second three Let's
say you is the defendant at the bar.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Guilty, are not guilty? Not guilty? So say you, mister performant,
So say you cho you do you agree? Yet?
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Do you all of you agree?
Speaker 9 (02:20):
Thank you?
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Zero zero two?
Speaker 9 (02:22):
Let's say, is the defendant at the bar not guilty
or guilty?
Speaker 10 (02:26):
Not yours of.
Speaker 9 (02:30):
Is not guilty or guilty about that charge? Are any
lesser included charge? Specifically number five operate under the influence
of liquor by operating a motor vehicle the blood alcohol
level of point oh eight or greater. Correct, So say you,
mister deformant, So say you all yeah zero zero three.
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Let's say is the defendant at the bar leaving the
scene after accident resulting and tests defendant not guilty or guilty.
Speaker 11 (02:58):
So say you, mister performant.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
So so you won't jersey?
Speaker 12 (03:03):
Hi?
Speaker 8 (03:04):
Hello, how is everyone? I hope you're doing well. I
hope you're staying hydrated and not currently engaged in any
high speed manhunts me. I've spent the past few days
knee deep in legal filings, true crime, TikTok spirals, and
at least two separate cases that made me gasp out
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loud and kind of want to throw up. So buckle up,
because this June was unhinged. We're going to start in
the courtroom, where things were just as dramatic as any
dateline special. This past month brought not one, but three
major trials that had the Internet obsessed, the news cycle churning,
and in one case, John Staymos publicly weighing in, you
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know it's serious when Uncle Jesse gets involved. Let's start
in Massachusetts, where the Karen Reed trial aka Boston's messiest,
most memable courtrooms so propera finally with a verdict. If
you missed it, don't worry, we didn't. This was the
case that had everyone from true climb bloggers to suburban
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moms building Google drive folders and accusing cops of planning
evidence on Facebook Live. So here's the recap. Karen Reid
was accused of killing her boyfriend, Boston police officer John
O'Keefe in twenty twenty two by allegedly backing into him
with her SUV after a night of heavy drinking and
leaving him to die in the snow. That's the prosecution's version,
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but her defense said no, John was injured after he
was dropped off, that he was involved in some sort
of fight inside the home, and that other law enforcement
officers have been covering it up. They argued that evidence
was planted, the timeline was off, and Karen was being railroaded.
The trial ended like this she was found not guilty
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of second degree murder, not guilty of vehicular manslaughter, not
guilty of leaving the scene of a collision causing death.
But she was rightfully found guilty of operating under the influence,
which I thought she should have been. I absolutely despise
drinking and driving. The jury deliberated for several days, and
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when the not guilty verdicts were read, Karen and her
supporters sobbed in court. Outside the courthouse chaos applause, news
cameras that one guy who's been live streaming court commentary
from his Honda Civic was basically crying into a Duncan
iced coffee. And this case wasn't about just guilt or innocence.
It became a test for trust in the justice system,
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class privileged gender and the Boston PD people saw what
they wanted to see, a woman scorned, a woman framed,
and depending on which subreddit you follow, both still may
be true.
Speaker 12 (05:48):
Like the first.
Speaker 8 (05:49):
Trial, which ended in a mistrial, this time that charge
of drinking and driving was added by the defense, which
was a really smart move because this way the jury
could still find her guilty of something. But she only
got one year of probation. The jurors have spoken out
a little bit since the verdict, so let's hear from
one of them. This is from NBC News Boston.
Speaker 13 (06:12):
For you about the police investigation, First and foremost the house.
Speaker 14 (06:16):
I mean from if I was in that house, I
know that house would have been stormed first and foremost,
Like no one.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Went into the house.
Speaker 12 (06:27):
The jury, you know, someone's lawn, but.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
No one goes in the house.
Speaker 14 (06:31):
You know, it just doesn't make sense in large part,
and that was just one hole amongst many holes that
we had to sift through.
Speaker 15 (06:41):
How would you describe the police investigation into John O'Keefe's death.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
No justice in a certain aspect.
Speaker 14 (06:48):
Uh, it was it was really uh say shot, not
even say shody because then this I would say lazy
police work because in large part, there's certain things that
you kind of learned one on one about collecting evidence,
making sure no one's near the crime scene, how you
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do when you when you talk to witnesses, all the things.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
One on one, They was all done lazy.
Speaker 14 (07:18):
When how do you h have interviews with all the
people all at once that's supposed to be suspects.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
No one was separated. It was all done in one group.
Speaker 12 (07:31):
That alone.
Speaker 14 (07:33):
It just leave so many speculations and everything.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
It was nothing to grasp on.
Speaker 7 (07:40):
Do you believe there was any collision?
Speaker 14 (07:42):
No, I believe care Read is not guilty.
Speaker 7 (07:44):
Did it put extra pressure on you?
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Being the foreman?
Speaker 14 (07:48):
When I first received the message, at first I was like, Okay,
let me see. But then when I got in the
room and all the evidence there, I was like, whoa, Okay,
now I gotta orchestrate this.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
But it was.
Speaker 14 (07:59):
True a group effort, and we all trusted each other,
all the jurors trusted each other after having we could
call a friendship in which we had amongst each other,
in which we understood what was going on in the
grand scheme of things.
Speaker 7 (08:17):
How did you approach this case?
Speaker 14 (08:20):
Well, I approached it like how any durors should be
approaching it and walking in there understanding this is supposed
to be an innocent person and now and now the
prosecution has to prove the charges.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
And prosecution improved the charges.
Speaker 14 (08:38):
It was ah, well, all hot moment, like wow, he's
there reaching and which was when they talked about the
holes on the back of the hoodie and everything, and
then they had to point back and re bring us
back in and tell us no, those was holes that
was made by the forensic person. And it was like, oh,
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so how we again more holes that we have to
sift through and try to figure out more games that's
being played.
Speaker 15 (09:08):
What evidence stood out regarding driving under the influence, Well, her.
Speaker 14 (09:12):
Own testimony, that's what really kind of was solidified. We
looked at three different clips and then we counted all
the drinks at the two bars and everything. If she sipped,
if John sipped all these different things did they share what?
Speaker 8 (09:28):
I really wonder if anyone else will be prosecuted because
this is still unsolved. I mean John's family, which is
like a cop family, thinks that she did it, but.
Speaker 12 (09:41):
Everyone else was super drunk that night.
Speaker 8 (09:43):
They destroyed their phones that Albert said, they didn't hear
anything from their house, just like it's so clearly a
police cover up. So it's so interesting to see if
the police and their wives will be prosecuted for this.
I really doubted, but they obviously should be. Next we're
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going to Idaho for not a trial, but a pre
trial hearing.
Speaker 16 (10:09):
This morning, new revelations about who could take the stand
at Brian.
Speaker 7 (10:12):
Coberger's quadruple murder trial.
Speaker 16 (10:14):
In August North the defendant is present and decisions by
the judge to keep other names from surfacing.
Speaker 7 (10:20):
In Pennsylvania.
Speaker 16 (10:20):
Today, a hearing will determine whether multiple people who have
been called to testify at the trial will have to
make the cross country trip to Boise, Idaho. The names
include the apparent owner of a boxing gym where Coburger,
who grew up and went to school in northeastern Pennsylvania,
said he once trained, and a man who appears to
own a used car dealership near Coburger's parents' home.
Speaker 13 (10:40):
There's no indication that these witnesses are going to oppose
being compelled to testify, but they may raise issues of
undue hardship. After all, Idaho is not New Jersey. It's
not right next to Pennsylvania. Traveling that far two ways
might pose an undue hardship to some of these witnesses.
Speaker 7 (10:55):
Coberger was arrested.
Speaker 16 (10:56):
At his family home in late twenty twenty two and
charged with the murders of four University of Idaho's students,
Madison Mogan, Kayley Bunsalvez, Zena Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
His lawyer says.
Speaker 16 (11:08):
He's maintained his innocence through an arduous legal process and
intense media attention. The latest documentary about the killings premiering
on Amazon Prime Video next week.
Speaker 13 (11:18):
There's this person out there who had just murdered our brother,
and he's still out there somewhere.
Speaker 6 (11:23):
I'll take the matter on her advisement.
Speaker 16 (11:25):
Meanwhile, the judge dealing dual blows to the defense last week,
shooting down the defense's attempt to postpone the trial over
media leaks.
Speaker 7 (11:32):
Jury selection is going to be particularly challenged.
Speaker 16 (11:35):
Writing in his decision, this court is not willing to
continue the trial indefinitely to allow the defense team to
embark on a phishing expedition. The judge also denying Coburger's
attorney's attempts to present four alternate perpetrators who the defense
argued could have committed the crime instead. In the decision,
he called the evidence entirely irrelevant, noting that there was
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nothing linking the individuals to the homicides.
Speaker 17 (11:58):
So stephis heringdam Sylvani, You're going to go to possible witnesses,
including someone.
Speaker 16 (12:02):
Who worked at the jail in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 7 (12:04):
Yeah, you know, an.
Speaker 17 (12:05):
Employee at the jail, and they'll go over whether or
not that person's going to make that trip to Boise, Idaho.
You remember that Coburger was arrested in his parents' home
in Pennsylvania. That's where he grew up after authority, say,
the FBI tracked him and his father on a four
day cross country trip from Washington. I remember that DNA
in the trash can being the way they saying, all right, Steph,
thank you.
Speaker 8 (12:24):
That was from the Today Show. So Berger's legal team
tried to pull what's called an alternate perpetrator defense. Basically,
they were saying, sure, our guy could have done it,
but also maybe it was someone else entirely, someone socially
connected to the victims, someone who once followed one of
them out of a parking lot. No, Judge Stephen Hipler
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is not having it. He ruled the defense couldn't name
other suspects in court unless they had actual evidence linking
them to the crime, not just vibes and a suspicious
Instagram comment. That's where Coburger's team fell short.
Speaker 12 (13:02):
The judge literally said, there was.
Speaker 8 (13:04):
A skintilla of competent evidence to connect these people to
the murders. And not to sound like a legal scholar,
but when a judge breaks out a word like skintilla,
which I don't even know if I'm saying correctly, you
know you're kind of screwed. The trial is still scheduled
for August, and unless something wild happens, it's looking to
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be a pretty straightforward showdown Coburger versus the Herenzics. No
red herrings, no last minute plot twists, and no shadowy
acquaintances with blurry alibis. Just the cold hard question did
he do it? Or are we about to connect and
convict another man based on circumstantial evidence and TikTok rumors.
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Time will tell, but Idaho and the rest of the
nation is watching. So now let's slide into the case
that feels like it was a ghost written by Ryan
Murphy and an American crime story and by whoever did
the idol. I'm talking about Sean Ditty, Comb's music mogul
Tyquila Tycoon and alleged criminal mastermind. This month, prosecutors wrapped
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up their case in Ditty's federal trial, as did the defense,
and it's a hell of a case. We're talking sex trafficking, racketeering, conspiracy,
interstate prostitution, you name it. They're charging it. The government
painted Ditty as the ringleader of what they're calling a
coercive criminal enterprise where women were groomed, trafficked, and exploited,
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and the prosecution's star witness his ex singer Cassie Ventura,
the woman whose civil lawsuits set this avalanche in motion.
Cassie took the stand and didn't flinch. Prosecutors described her
as unafraid, despite the defense's not so subtle attempts to
frame her as money hungry and bitter. One of Ditty's
lawyers even called her the real winner in all of this,
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which is a hell of a thing to say about
someone who's testifying two years of abuse and control. And
just to be clear, this isn't just about that one
relationship gone toxic. This is about multiple victims, multiple associates,
and a clear pattern stretching across cities, decades, and bank statements.
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Diddy has denied all wrongdoing. The public sentiment not exactly
in this favor. Let's just say bad boy for life.
Speaker 12 (15:22):
HiT's a little.
Speaker 8 (15:22):
Different when you're looking at a possible reco conviction and
the Internet has already started rewriting your Wikipedia page. The
jury's now got a mountain of testimony, evidence and receipts
to go through. But what things certain, whatever happens in court,
Ditty's reputation isn't just damaged, It's been completely detonated.
Speaker 12 (15:42):
This is from TMC.
Speaker 18 (15:44):
Welcome to DMC live, Harvey leven here old here. So
the prosecution in the Ditty case, they are winding up now,
closing arguments tomorrow and Friday.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
The jury gets the case probably Monday.
Speaker 18 (15:54):
So the prosecution just filed paperwork today actually in the
form of a letter to the judge saying that they
wanted to simplify the jury and instructions per the judges instructions.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
And what they're doing is they're streamlining things.
Speaker 18 (16:07):
That there are charges alleging kidnapping arson that's the kid
Cutty case.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
They are alleging aiding.
Speaker 18 (16:14):
In a betting, in sex trafficking. They are slimming that
all down so that they're not going to kind of
overburden and overwhelm the jury. They're saying with instructions, right,
they're saying that to the judge that when you when
you give the jury their instructions, just leave out the
attempt at kidnapping, leave out attempt at arson. They're saying,
in a betting why it's actual arts and those things
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the counts, the charges still remain.
Speaker 15 (16:40):
They're saying, there's no reason in the jury instructions to
tell them about the attempt of kidnapp.
Speaker 18 (16:46):
And I'll tell you why, because actual attempted means you
failed or didn't go through with it. They're alleging it
was gone through with, so why.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Bother calling it an attempt?
Speaker 15 (16:58):
The jury is going to have there's so many because
there are four cancers, because one of them is a
Rico count that has so many underlying alleged crimes. They
just want to simplify this so that the jury when
they get their instructions, No so legal legal, SI, let's
talk about what really matters.
Speaker 19 (17:14):
Hold on.
Speaker 15 (17:14):
I want to say that I know what you want
to get to and we should. But this also plays
into that because this is going to be a very complicated.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Thing for the jury SuperComp to look at, and they
are partly going to be a.
Speaker 12 (17:27):
Guilty. Like really, looks like this is.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Going to take a day. So Tomorrow Thursday argument will be.
Speaker 18 (17:35):
Friday the defense's closing argument, and then the judge is
going to give instructions to the jury, which may take
a couple hours in terms of what we just talked about.
So realistically, the jury is going to start deliberating on Monday.
Speaker 15 (17:47):
So you've got gonna they might have an hour or
so late on Friday, or.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
They may do it.
Speaker 18 (17:53):
They may do it on Friday, depending, they may do it,
but the jury is probably going to.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Start deliberating in earnest on Monday.
Speaker 18 (17:57):
The reality here, folks is that if you've talked to
your friends, you know, some people say, oh, he's guilty
on everything, He's guilty on nothing. I don't see the
Rinko charge, but I do see the Man Act charge.
So my gut tells me and I don't try to
guess juries. But they're not going to all agree right
out of the gate, So there's going to be debate
and you know, going over evidence and talking. So Monday
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goes never.
Speaker 15 (18:20):
They're twenty eight days of testimony and they're going to
go over a lot of well remember and no Jaysimson
there was nine months, but they came in two hours. Yeah,
so it really well that was It really just depends,
But I think Monday.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Is going to bleed into Tuesday.
Speaker 18 (18:33):
Then if you get into Wednesday.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
There's an issue. Now things start tightening up.
Speaker 19 (18:38):
Really up against the clock because Friday's July four Thursdays
July third.
Speaker 20 (18:42):
Do they want to come in on Thursday Thursday or
do they want to get done on the.
Speaker 8 (18:46):
Yeah, Thursday, the courts are closed. But I think by
next Monday, a week from now, we'll have a verdict
in this. Now, let's go to a case that already
had a verdict and not is Gypsy Rose Blanchard, who
has just finished her probation. No, it's not probation, it's
parole because she was in prison. It is from conspiras
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can Spira.
Speaker 12 (19:10):
T on YouTube.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
Gypsy Rose Blanchard is officially off parole and she's already
posted her first TikTok video.
Speaker 7 (19:17):
Slamming co defendant Nicholas go to John and her quote haters.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
So I wanted to go over this with you guys,
especially for those of you who are not on TikTok.
So first I want to bring your attention to the
caption of the.
Speaker 12 (19:29):
Lot of us and I'm breaking my joined it follow.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
Blanchard hashtag Nicholas go to John hashtag Dedie Blanchard, hashtag
Nina Beauty influencer hashtag sir morbid, hashtag too many, what
the bug, Hello, Starlight, Fancy Mazzelli, Lindsey Tyler, four to four, Keish,
Kajuan Navy, Jen Coco, Danzig, Chrissy g Karma Collector, Zora,
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Gypsy Drama, and all of the less known creators. Hashtag
can kiss my ass hashtag mic drop. Well, first, I'm offended.
I'm offended you didn't hashtag me, but you know it's whatever.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
So let's dive.
Speaker 7 (20:09):
Into this video.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
Here's the first thing she put, I've taken accountability, and
now I take back my life. When I accepted my sentence,
I accepted the weight of my choices.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
I served my time.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
That was my accountability, and I've carried it for years.
I don't owe the past anything more. As for Nicholas,
go to John. Yes, he is a deeply disturbed man,
but he also knew the difference between right and wrong,
regardless of my role of unintentional manipulation.
Speaker 7 (20:32):
And then she has in parentheses.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
This type of manipulation isn't rooted in malice. It's often
a reflection of past trauma, the lack of emotion. The
key difference is intent. The person is not trying to
deceive or control, but the behavior still affects others and
requires self awareness and growth to correct. So Gipsy is
stating that she unintentionally manipulated Nicholas. Go to John Nicholas
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made the decison to move forward.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
With that night.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
That was his choice, and he is not exempt from
the consequences of that choice. His diagnosis of autism slash
Aspergers does not excuse what he did. Mental health is complex,
but accountability matters, and no one is above the law.
His fate was decided by a panel of judges, prosecutors, lawyers,
and twelve jury members who reviewed the same evidence circulating online.
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His efforts of appeals have all been unsuccessful, each court
agreeing with the original conviction.
Speaker 8 (21:31):
So if you're not familiar, which I don't know how
you can't be. But Gipsy was a victim of Munchausen
by proxy. She was abused for years by her mother.
Her mother claimed she had cancer, she had her teeth removed,
she was on all these medications. She couldn't be, she
wasn't allowed to walk, and she got this secret boyfriend, Nick,
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and they planned on killing her mom together. After eight
years behind bars in six months of parole. I feel
like that's wrong, feel like it wasn't eight years. She's
now a completely free woman. Her parole officially ended on
June fourth, June twenty fourth, and the second it did,
she hopped on Instagram and TikTok like you just saw
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and hit us with a caption that felt like the
spiritual opposite of Mommy dead and dearest. She wrote on Instagram.
This next chapter is one appealing of growth, of reclaiming
my life, and honestly, my main take is good for her.
She's served her time for conspiring in the murder of
her mother, Dedee Blanchard, and Deete spent Gypsy's entire childhood
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faking these illnesses, shaving her head, forging medical records, and
keeping her in a wheelchair she didn't need. So when
Gypsy meets Nick online, the two plotted and carried out
Dede's murder. And yes, it's very complificated, and it's very horrifying,
and it's one of the true future crime cases that
had the entire Internet for a while saying, honestly, I
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get it. But when Gypsy got really in late twenty
twenty three, it seemed to a lot of people like
she was having a bit too much fun. She's gotten married,
gotten back with her ex, posted thirt straps, and is
now getting a second lifetime series. So if the parole
chapter was her reband and this next one seems like
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it's kind of her revenge tour. She says she's writing
a book. She said some choice things about Nick and
if you can swint squint, you can already see the
Hulu mini series on the horizon. But they've already done
one of those, so we'll see if we get a
second one. Gypsy is free though, and she's not hiding,
and honestly, that might be what unsettles people the most. Okay,
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let's talk about another unsettling character who I just put
an episode out about a few weeks ago, and that
would be mister eating bull testicles for breakfast. Brian Johnston,
better known as the Liver King. He's back in the headlines,
and this time it's not for lying about stairs or
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butchering account in his kitchen. No. Now, he's being charged
with making terroristic threats after allegedly posting a series of
unhinged Instagram videos aimed directly at Joe Rogan. Yeah, that
Joe Rogan apparently deliver King flew into a raged spiral
because Rogan, who has been very publicly skeptical of Johnson's claims,
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called out his steroid use and overall vibe of barely
contained testosterone poisoning. Johnson responded by challenging him to a
flight and flying to Austin, where Rogan lives, to allegedly
confront him in person. Now, if you're thinking this sounds
like a publicity stunt that accidentally crossed into felony territory,
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you're not wrong. But the Austin police didn't think it
was funny. They arrested him on June twenty fifth and
hit him with a misdemeanor charge for terroristic threat. Rogan
reportedly told authorities he was worried about Johnson's state of mind,
and honestly same, You know, if Joe Rogan is worried
about your state of mind, that things.
Speaker 12 (25:07):
Are like really bad.
Speaker 8 (25:08):
This is a man who lies about being ancestral while
injecting himself with synthetic hormones, yells into the void about
primal masculinity like he's some feral wolf, and now things
threatening a podcaster will earn him back his empire of
raw meat and basically MLM supplements. It's kind of like
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if Guston from Beauty and the Beast joined far right
militia and then got banned from Whole Foods. As of now,
the Liver King is out on bond, but I wouldn't
be surprised if he life ends up live streaming a
trial by combat from achiro therapy tank by next week.
Let this be a reminder that influencer culture, roid fuel delusion,
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and unchecked ego are terrifying combo and not even Joe
Rogan wants that smoke.
Speaker 21 (26:00):
Followers as the Liver King for his promotion of a
supposedly prehistoric diet. But now he's what one would call
under arrest. Fitness influencer Brian Johnson was arrested by the
Austin Police Department for.
Speaker 7 (26:13):
Making a terroristic threat, which is.
Speaker 21 (26:15):
A mystified edition against podcaster Joe Rogan. In videos posted
just prior to the arrest, Johnson seemed to know that
this was coming, but I'm.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Weare you in more than me and you're black? Thought
why not?
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Just for fun?
Speaker 21 (26:29):
Johnson has multi videos challenging Rogan to a fight in
unusual ways.
Speaker 8 (26:34):
I could win in a fight against Joe Rogan or
the lever Tang.
Speaker 21 (26:38):
For the record, police say they contacted Rogan, who's an
Austin resident. He told them that he has never met
Johnson but still considers his social media posts threatening. This
investigation is ongoing for Inside Edition Digital.
Speaker 7 (26:52):
I'm Mara Monselvano.
Speaker 8 (26:54):
Now let's leave Austin, Texas for the Mountains of Washington,
where another piece of shit, a true monster, Brian Decker
is still on the loose after killing his three daughters
last month. Did I just call him Brian Decker. His
name is Travis Decker of Brian on the Brain. Travis Decker,
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thirty two years old, army veteran, former father of three.
On June second, the bodies of Peyton nine, Evelyn eight,
and Olivia five were found near his abandoned truck at
Rock Island Campground. All three girls had been suffocated. There
were bloody handprints on the vehicle, and DNA testing confirmed
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the blood was not Brian's but an animal's. Because also
at this scene his dog alive and, according to forensic experts,
likely injured while trying to protect the girls.
Speaker 12 (27:48):
Let that's it for a second.
Speaker 8 (27:50):
A German shepherd tried to fight off a father killing
his children and survived. When they found the bodies, the
guard was the dog was guarding them. There are still
no actual confirmed sightings of Decker, even though his blood
was found on some rocks, and there may be a
sign that some hikers saw him. But cadaver dogs, search dogs,
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aerial drones, local and federal agents, they've all searched the
dense terrain and it seems like he's vanished. Some think
he may have planned this. Others believe he may have
already died by suicide somewhere remote hopefully, but until his
body is found, the public remains on edge. And it's
(28:35):
not just the horror of what he did, it's how
common this is becoming. If you are interested in this
kind of stuff, have the morbid curiosity for it. I
did do an episode about family annihilators when that happened.
A Psychologists say these are not crimes of passion. They're premeditated,
perform performative, and often born from entitlement and race. I
(29:01):
think with Travis Decker it was also some kind of
PTSD from his time in the army, But I truly
have no idea if that's something I'm just even saying
to comfort myself in the horror of it. As of
this recording, Travis Decker is still out there and his
three little girls are gone. And this next one, there's
(29:22):
just no easy way to introduce it, because the next
dog trying to protect its owners didn't make it. And
that was the golden retriever, Gilbert, who was shot multiple
times when his home was broken into by a madman.
Vance Bolter, a self proclaimed patriot who posed as a
(29:44):
police officer and showed up at the home of Minnesota's
state representative, Melissa Hortman and her husband Mark. He shot Melissa,
he shot Mark, and he shot Gilbert, their golden retriever,
who was mortally wounded trying to protect them. Melissa Hortman
wasn't just any lawmaker. She was a Democratic leader, a
(30:06):
former House speaker, and the first women in Minnesota history
to lie in the state capitol.
Speaker 12 (30:11):
And she didn't lie there alone.
Speaker 8 (30:13):
Because, for the first time in recorded state history, her
dog Gilbert's ashes were honored beside her. His urn sat
between the two caskets, gold colored and glowing under rotinda lights.
Next to it a box of milk bones, a sticky
note that read for the best Boy, Gilbert. Hundreds lined
(30:33):
up to pay their respects, not just for Melissa and Mark,
but for the golden retriever who flunked out of service
dog school for being too friendly and became a guardian instead.
Gilbert wasn't just a pet, he was family. He was
loyalty made flesh. Annie died protecting the people who loved him.
(30:54):
The suspect Bolter has also been charged in the attempted
murders of another Democratic state senator and his wife, and
had reportedly shown up at two other lawmakers' homes before
being caught. This wasn't random, This was political violence, and
this should send a chill through every hallway in this country.
(31:14):
Rest in peace to Melissa, Mark and sweet boy Gilbert,
who may have been too friendly for police work, but
was exactly what this world needs more of.
Speaker 6 (31:24):
Well.
Speaker 20 (31:24):
I spent Saturday remembering Melissa and Mark Cortman. This morning,
an emotional mass moved many to tears at Saint Mary's
Basilica in downtown Minneapolis. Leaders including former President Joe Biden
and former Vice President Kamala Harris, came from across the
state and country to pay the respects to the political powerhouse.
Our Caroline Cummings was at that poignant service remembering the Hortman's.
Speaker 11 (31:48):
Inside Saint Mary's Basilica, Warners gathered to remember Melissa and
Mark Cortman, two people devoted to making their communities a
better place.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Sake me love.
Speaker 11 (32:01):
Father Daniel Griffith, pastor of the church, in his homiliesa
the couple manifested a dynamic pairing of head and heart.
Speaker 7 (32:08):
Spent two decades in the Minnesota legislature.
Speaker 12 (32:11):
Hastas, I really don't.
Speaker 6 (32:13):
There were two lights that guided their life.
Speaker 8 (32:16):
He just said, more bombs to Israel and community.
Speaker 20 (32:20):
Service and community are antidotes to our present afflictions as
a state and as a nation.
Speaker 7 (32:26):
They were adoring parents of Sophie and Colin.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
We are born to eternal life.
Speaker 11 (32:32):
Amen and family and friends were among the over one
thousand people who paid their respects.
Speaker 7 (32:37):
Many state lawmakers and former.
Speaker 11 (32:38):
President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris also in
attendance and emotional. Governor Tim Wall said Melissa Hortman is
the most consequential speaker in state history, and said her
work in the legislature will impact Minnesotans for generations.
Speaker 13 (32:52):
I know millions of Minnesotans get to live their lives
better because she and Mark chose public service and politics, and.
Speaker 11 (32:59):
The Hortman's love and compassion will impact their community forever.
Speaker 22 (33:03):
But I do believe that we will experience joy again,
and Mark and Melissa would not want it any other way.
Speaker 7 (33:08):
And my friends Caroline Cummings.
Speaker 12 (33:11):
W Hunt believe we killed the fucking dogar.
Speaker 20 (33:13):
There was a private burial for the Hortman's after the funeral. Today,
their children, Colin and Sophie, say the best way to
honor their parents' memory is to do something, whether big
or small, to make our community better for someone else.
Another one of the most powerful moments today came from
a close family friend.
Speaker 22 (33:29):
My father died unexpectedly in twenty four in Maryland. Melissa
Hortman dropped everything to fly to Maryland to be with me,
and Mark Hortman caught everything so she could be with
her friend. From Khalil Gibron's the Prophet, some of you
say joy is greater than sorrow, and others say, nay,
(33:52):
sorrow is the greater. But I say, unto you, they
are inseparable together they come and when and sits.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Alone with you at your board.
Speaker 22 (34:02):
Remember that the other is asleep upon your bed.
Speaker 7 (34:05):
We are buried in sorrow right now.
Speaker 8 (34:08):
I don't have it in take off, so you're going to.
Speaker 7 (34:11):
Let one in any other way. Goodbye, my friends.
Speaker 20 (34:16):
The final farewell for the Hortman's was filled with tears
and moments of laughter, and moments for this guy, a
gentle golden retriever, a beloved family member, Gilbert Hortman, a
soul that lived to be of service and a major
part of the Hortman family.
Speaker 12 (34:29):
I can't believe he shot the dog too. I can't
believe he shot a golden receiver.
Speaker 20 (34:34):
His story.
Speaker 12 (34:34):
I hope he publicly.
Speaker 6 (34:37):
Patient comes into us.
Speaker 23 (34:38):
INSIGNE Allied Emergency Vetinary Service.
Speaker 6 (34:41):
Gilbert was seeted in here.
Speaker 23 (34:42):
Doctors work fast and against time. June fourteenth was no different.
Speaker 19 (34:47):
I think there's just a special that you feel when
you see something like that done to an innocent animal.
Speaker 23 (34:53):
Gilbert Hortman was rushed with multiple gunshot wounds.
Speaker 6 (34:56):
But we immediately started stabilizing him.
Speaker 7 (34:58):
He was shot in the same tragedy.
Speaker 23 (34:59):
That's the lives of speaker at marital Melissa and her
husband Mark Cortman, Doctor Brett Raby and his team fought
to save him.
Speaker 7 (35:06):
Ultimately the decision.
Speaker 8 (35:11):
Human life, kaling gold, I would love to kill this man.
Speaker 12 (35:20):
I would love as a scout. His eyes out.
Speaker 23 (35:23):
Rman family, and he received the kind of farewell heroes
receive at the Capitol, becoming the first animal to lie
in state, right next to his partners in life, not
far away, his furry friends standing guard at the eulogy.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
And Gilbert said the beg for scraps and in.
Speaker 23 (35:42):
The face of heartbreak, the clinic that worked so hard
to save him is turning pain into purpose.
Speaker 19 (35:48):
Try and raise some money to honor Gilbert's service.
Speaker 23 (35:53):
A story that doesn't end in silence. In Brooklyn Parker
Ali w c c.
Speaker 8 (35:58):
O News an all link to the Gilbert Fund in
the show Resources. Now we head to Nova Scotia, where
Lily and Jack Sullivan have been missing since May. Seconds
from their rural home in Lansdowne's Station, one moment, they
were at home, according to the parents, the mom and stepdad,
(36:21):
the next minute they were gone, and as of this recording,
nearly two months later, there's still no sign of them.
The Royal Canadian Mountain Police have conducted over fifty interviews,
brought in forensic investigators and even administered polygraph tests to
several individuals. But the investigation is tight lipped. They're really
not saying anything. I feel like they're saying too little
(36:43):
to keep public attention for this case. No suspects have
been named publicly, no rests, no updates that feel like progress.
Search parties combed the woods, helicopters scanned the rivers. Nothing
not a footprint, not a shirt, not a shoe. The
RCMP has now acknowledged that they've shifted from a missing
(37:03):
person's case to a criminal investigation. That believes That means
they believe that someone does know something and just isn't
saying it. But let's be honest like here, like, let's
be honest here. Cases like this often vanished from headlines
unless the children look this certain way or the family
fit a certain narrative. And these people were poor, if
(37:27):
nothing else, they were poor. And the silence around this case,
it's kind of been deafening. I don't know if it's
bigger in Canada than here, but in that kind of void,
theories spread. Neighbors side at each other, parents lock the doors,
and we make assumptions. We think the mom did it.
(37:47):
I mean, if you're me. You think the mom was involved.
She left the area soon afterward, she changed her Facebook status.
I know everyone grieves differently, but she shouldn't have been
green yet. For me, that's a problem. Her the step husband,
he the step husband, the stepdad, her husband, and the daughter,
(38:10):
the father of their baby. To me, it almost seemed
like he had some kind of Stockholm syndrome and whatever
he knew, he covered up for her, or he was
he was lied to. But let's talk a little bit
more about Stockholm syndrome because this week Clark Ulphassin and
(38:31):
I know that's not how you stayed In Swedish they
say it like old old old sin. But Sweden's most
notorious charmer, con man and career criminal died this month
at the age of seventy eight. If his name doesn't
ring a bell, his legacy probably does, because in nineteen
seventy three he was at the center of a bank
(38:51):
heist so bizarre it gave birth to a term that
now lives in the psychology textbooks, cop shows, and countless
arm chair analyzes of rebusive relationships, Stockholm syndrome. Here's what happened.
A man named John Eric walked into a bank in
Stockholm with a machine gun and took four hostages. But
(39:14):
instead of demanding a helicopter or a suitcase full of cash,
Olison asked police to bring him Clark Ulphison, his friend,
fellow criminal and then current prison inmate. The cops agreed.
Olphison joined the hostage situation like was a social event,
and what followed was six days of chaos, manipulation, and
(39:34):
bizarre emotional entanglements. The hostages began identifying more with their
captors than the police, which to me is like completely understandable.
Some even defended them after the ordeal was over. That
psychological phenomenon when a victim forms emotional bonds with their
abuser was named Stockholm syndrome, and Olphison became its unlikely
(39:58):
poster child. Dark's life didn't end in the seventies. He
kept robbing, escaping, conning, charming, and reinventing himself for decades.
He was like a Swedish catch me if you can,
except with more bank robberies and less of Leonardo DiCaprio's
bone structure. He claimed to have reformed. He gave interviews.
(40:18):
He became sort of a cult figure in Europe. This
Rakish anti hero who is dangerous, yes, but also clever, funny,
and misunderstood. He once said, I never hurt people, I
just stole things. That's different, and I agree, and that
right there is the dark heart of his story, because
(40:39):
it's easy to fall for the charming thief in a movie,
and it's hard to remember that real lives were disrupted,
real people were terrified, and real trauma was left behind.
Clark is dead, but Sockholm syndrome.
Speaker 12 (40:52):
Alive and well.
Speaker 8 (40:54):
We end this month's roundup not in a courtroom or
small town, but in Tokyo, where on juwe In twenty fifth,
a man known around the world as the Twitter Killer
was executed by hanging. His name was Takario Shi Rushi.
He was thirty four, and the crimes he committed will
haunt Japan for decades to come. Between twenty seventeen and
(41:16):
twenty eighteen, he lured nine people, eight women and one man,
using into his apartment using Twitter. He specifically targeted those
who were vulnerable, posting about depression, suicidal ideation, and feeling alone.
What he offered was not help, not empathy, not connection.
He told them he'd help them die. Instead, he killed
(41:39):
them himself. According to Japan's Justice minister, his victims were
mentally fragile girls looking for escape. Once they arrived at
his apartment, they were beaten, strangled, killed, robbed, and mutilated.
Their dismembered remains were found stored in coolers and boxes
less than twenty miles outside of Tokyo. He confessed openly.
(42:01):
He said he was relieved when he was caught, but
he never showed remorse. His execution was carried out with
in accordance with Japanese law. I had no idea they
had the death penalty there where capital punishment is rare
but still used in cases of overwhelming brutality. And I
know this is heavy, but it's also important because this
(42:21):
wasn't just a serial killer using a platform. This was
a failure of connection, of digital empathy, of mental health systems,
and of the false safety nets we tell ourselves social
media provides.
Speaker 12 (42:35):
He used Twitter.
Speaker 8 (42:36):
I'm not going to call it X to build a
trap disguised as a lifeline, and nine people are dead
because of it. Justice may have been served with his hanging,
but it doesn't bring anybody back. That ache remains in
all of these stories, The freaking ache remains. And I
didn't have this one written in my script because I
(42:58):
finished it before it happened, So I'm gonna throw it
in now. And that was in Cordelaine, Idaho, yesterday, where
someone started a forest fire, started a brush fire, and
where the when the fireman showed up, he opened fire
on them with a machine gun. This part, this kind
of story just feels so distinctly American, with these freaking
(43:22):
shootings and these freaking ar fifteens. It's just never ending
and targeting the fire department, I mean, they're not ice, Like,
what the hell are these people doing.
Speaker 12 (43:34):
That's who you're gonna target. You're gonna target firemen.
Speaker 8 (43:37):
This was posted just forty minutes go on CNN as
quickly as possible.
Speaker 19 (43:43):
This information is very preliminary and is subject to change.
We want to give you in the public as much
information as quickly as possible, so that approximately one twenty
one pm this afternoon, we received reports of a fire
on the east side of Canfield Mountain. Fire assets responded
to the scene, and at approximately two pm this afternoon
(44:05):
it was reported that firefighters were receiving shots fired at them.
Speaker 6 (44:12):
We now have two deaths.
Speaker 19 (44:15):
We have an unknown amount of casualties.
Speaker 6 (44:17):
We still have civilians that are.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
Coming off of that mountain.
Speaker 19 (44:20):
We might have civilians that are stuck or in shock
on that mountain.
Speaker 7 (44:26):
So this is a very very This is from yesterday.
Speaker 8 (44:30):
I think we all have a more recent We.
Speaker 19 (44:32):
Are actively taking sniper fire as we speak.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
This is a this is an active situation.
Speaker 19 (44:39):
We have multiple agencies that are unseen from local and
federal authorities, and we are prepared to neutralize this suspect
who is currently actively shooting at public safety personnel. We
are prepared to neutralize this suspect as quickly.
Speaker 8 (44:58):
And they didn't even get to the piece of shit
shot himself.
Speaker 3 (45:02):
That's really all that we know as of right now.
We don't know who the suspects are.
Speaker 6 (45:08):
We don't know how many there are.
Speaker 19 (45:11):
So I know that it's very, very very early, and
I don't think that any questions would yield anything.
Speaker 24 (45:20):
We're following breaking news tonight. Multiple firefighters have been shot
in Idaho and at least two people are dead. This
is happening in Cordelaine at Canfield Mountain Park with hiking
and bike trails. This is right on the border between Washington.
Speaker 3 (45:34):
State and Idaho.
Speaker 24 (45:36):
Official state firefighters were responding to a brush fire, and
officials just had a press conference a little while ago
where the sheriff said law enforcement officers are still actively
taking rapid sniper fire. I want to bring in CNN's
senior law enforcement analyst and former Washington DC Police Chief
Charles Ramsay and former Boston.
Speaker 6 (45:55):
Police Commissioner Chief Ed Davis.
Speaker 24 (45:57):
Chief Davis, I want to start with you because look
very much active scene.
Speaker 6 (46:01):
They're saying they're taking active sniper fire.
Speaker 24 (46:03):
They believe it is coming in rapid fire as well.
Can you just talk to me about how you are
assessing what we know so far from this situation.
Speaker 10 (46:15):
Certainly you know this is sort of a police department's
worst nightmare. You have someone in a heavily worded area
and they're they're a distance away from any populated locations,
so you have to move assets into the area to
respond to the threat. And our SWAT teams are very
(46:36):
well trained. They can operate in any kind of territory,
so they're not unused to operating in a wooded area.
We had a similar type incident in New Hampshire about
twenty years ago.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
The police responded very quickly and effectively, but you.
Speaker 10 (46:54):
Really need to have air assets and the ability to
move in what essentially the ground troops to go after
something like this. This is more a military operation than
the typical police response that we're used to.
Speaker 24 (47:10):
And Chief Ramsey just on that point, trying to bring
in additional resources. What are the conversations like right now?
If you are the local police chief, you're the local sheriff,
and you are trying to get additional resources in.
Speaker 6 (47:22):
What are you calling in? What helps in a situation
like this? Well, you know, jurisdictions trained together and they.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
Have mutual aid agreements.
Speaker 14 (47:30):
This is close to the border near Washington, so I'm
sure they probably have reached out that far to try
to get some additional assets.
Speaker 6 (47:37):
You have federal agencies that are responding.
Speaker 18 (47:40):
So they're going to have a lot of assets available
to them.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
Problem is is it mentioned? It's very difficult.
Speaker 3 (47:46):
This is a heavily wooded area.
Speaker 2 (47:48):
You have at least.
Speaker 8 (47:49):
One and I believe they were able to put the
fire out too, but I'm honestly not sure because this
is all still just happening.
Speaker 12 (47:56):
But God, what a shit show the world is right now.
A shit show. The world is right now.
Speaker 8 (48:02):
I'm gonna have to do a couple lighter episodes this
week because I'm getting so bummed out with this stuff.
I hope you're taking care of yourself. I hope you're
enjoying your summer, even though I know it's really hard
to do. Like I often feel really guilty for enjoying
myself when so many bad things are happening and I'm
(48:23):
not enjoying myself right now, I feel I feel like
I'm getting depressed, which like is not typical for as
typical for me as.
Speaker 12 (48:31):
A summer thing.
Speaker 8 (48:32):
But everything happening, everything that's still happening in Gaza right now,
everything that's happening with ice here, like that should be
like my breaking true crime story. It should just be
ice and kidnapping people off the streets, because like it's
just insane. It's insane what they're doing. They don't have warrants,
they have like these blask masks over their head. They
(48:55):
were all so anti mask and now they're all masked up,
just kidnpping people without due process, which, like the Constitution
doesn't matter anymore. The Supreme Court is just a bunch
of well, I don't even fucking know what to say
about them. It's just I feel so uncomfortable living here now.
I feel like I'm doing something wrong by living in
(49:19):
the country that I was born. And I posted a
video when the United States bombed a ran last week
where I was like, you know, I have Italian citizenship
and I kind of just want to move to Europe
right now. I don't want to stay in fight. I
don't want to try and make things better. I want
to freaking leave because everything feels so bad. You can't
(49:41):
even be a freaking golden retriever right now. Like, what
the hell kind of world is this? Like I posted
a thing for Hindra Job's mom who's trying to raise money,
and then I had to take it down because she
was getting death threats, and like I got, I get
horrible threats too every time I share something for her.
(50:01):
But like, I don't care about myself in that way anymore.
Speaker 12 (50:05):
I don't care.
Speaker 8 (50:06):
I just like, threaten me, don't threaten the woman who
had to listen to the last minutes of her daughter's
life on a phone call.
Speaker 12 (50:16):
I just it's awful.
Speaker 8 (50:18):
It's just all so awful, and it's so hard to
stay positive.
Speaker 12 (50:23):
It's so hard to know what to do.
Speaker 8 (50:26):
I feel like I'm not doing enough, but I don't
know what to do, and that makes me.
Speaker 12 (50:32):
Really just want to leave.
Speaker 8 (50:34):
It just all feels so freaking horrible, and I don't
want to have some I love my country's Stockholm syndrome
because that's what it literally feels like to me. When
people are telling me how great we have it here,
it feels like, Wow, you are are brainwashed. Mom, Donnie
want in New York and people are talking about how
we're gonna have sharia law. I do have an episode
(50:57):
coming out on that on Friday about like the Cold
War and nine to eleven and how this led to
this huge fear of both communism and Islamophobia and how
that still lingers, and how out of touch the Democratic
Party is, how out of touch they are that they
(51:17):
just don't understand why this is a good victory, and
they themselves are going to condemn it and fight it.
So I know everything is terrible, but please try and
take care of yourself and I will talk to.
Speaker 12 (51:33):
You very soon.
Speaker 8 (51:38):
All right, thank you so much for listening to another.
Speaker 12 (51:42):
Episode of broad to next Door. I know this one
was a mix of.
Speaker 8 (51:46):
Heartbreak or injustice and injustice. If you want to support
families like the Sullivans, or organizations tracking fugitives like Travis Checker.
Check the episode, justscription for links to verified sources. And
if no one's told you today, you matter. You're not alone.
(52:08):
I'm so glad you're here and you listened.
Speaker 12 (52:11):
If you enjoyed this episode.
Speaker 8 (52:13):
Please like, rate, give it five stars, make sure you're subscribed,
make sure you have notifications on share it with a friend.
Tomorrow we'll have something lighter, like the Poop Cruise and
some cruise ship disappearances which are pretty dark. Having an
Americana and Haunted road trip episode coming up Wednesday. I
(52:34):
was going to do the Life and Death of Matthew Perry,
but I need to put maybe need to do something lighter.
Maybe we'll do the Sex in the City episode instead.
Still in Florida, recording at my parents' house, so the
sound is not as good on these, and I apologize
for that, but I appreciate you.
Speaker 12 (52:50):
Thank you for listening. I'll talk to you soon. Bye.
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