One Night in Idaho & Bryan Kohberger’s Guilty Plea

Grab your true crime timeline and get ready for the defense reach out to the prosecution, because today we’re getting a broader understanding of Bryan Kohberger’s plea deal in the November 2022 murders of Kaylee Concalves, Maddison Mogen, Xana Kernodle & Ethan Chapin while also getting more info on the case and what happened that one night in Idaho.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Pama in court as Brian Coburger pleads guilty to stabbing
four University of Idaho students to death.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
The murder of Madison Mogan. How do you plead guilty
or not guilty guilty for the murder of Kaylee Gonsalvez.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
How do you plead guilty?

Speaker 4 (00:13):
You're not guilty?

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Guilty you murder of Xanna Kernodle human being? How do
you plead guilty? You're not guilty, guilty, murder of Ethan
shape and human being? How do you plead guilty? You're
not guilty?

Speaker 3 (00:22):
Guilty?

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Brian Coberger appeared detached as he walked into that court
room and seemed to show no emotion as he admitted
to killing each of those four college students. He didn't
make eye contact with his family members seated in the
front row, or with any of the victim's relatives, but
one of those relatives was Reef stricken, wiping away tears
as Coburger entered each.

Speaker 5 (00:38):
Of those guilty pleas.

Speaker 6 (00:39):
He was just really cold, and he looked very pale,
and just no emotion when he's admitting to four brutal murders.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
And I didn't see him look over at the victims'
families either.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
The judge complained about the public outcry over the plea deal,
saying his hands are tied.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
This court cannot require the prosecutor to seek the death.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Packt The shocking plea deal means Coburger will be sentenced
to four secutive life prison terms without possibility of paroles,
but he is not required to reveal details of his
horrific crimes that is angering the victims' families. The father
of twenty one year old Kayley Gunsolves called on the
judge to reject the plea bargain, calling it a deal
with the devil.

Speaker 7 (01:15):
You don't think four life sentences is justice?

Speaker 3 (01:18):
No, of course, there's staycare person is staycare of people.

Speaker 8 (01:21):
If you can tell the judgement the name of people,
do it right?

Speaker 3 (01:25):
Do it you know? I mean four people died in
their sleep.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
There was an emotional scene on the courthouse steps as
other members of the consolvest's family entered, but he stayed
outside in protest. But the families are divided. The family
of Madison Mogan is happy with the deal.

Speaker 9 (01:40):
We support the plea agreement.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
Many questions remain unanswered. Do you think the family members
will ever hear why this was done.

Speaker 10 (01:50):
I know there's this yearning from the family members to
find out the motive, to find out where the knife is,
to find out why this happened. I've learned that the
prosecution and the investigation have told the families that after
the sentencing happens that they'll sit down with them and
tell them everything they know.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
Coberger appeared in court in a short and time he
sto to take the oath to tell the truth, perhaps
the last time he will ever wear civilian clothes.

Speaker 8 (02:19):
Hello, neighbors, lovers, friends, and anyone who's spent the last
two and a half years following a case that has
nothing to do with them. I'm Danielli Scrima and this
is Brod's next door. Grab your true crime timeline and
get ready for the defense to contact the prosecutors, because
today we're getting a broader understanding of Brian Coberger's guilty

(02:41):
plea and the murders of Kaylee Gunsalvas, Madison Mogan, Xanna Kernodle,
and Ethan Chapin. While getting more info on the case
and what happened that one night in Idaho.

Speaker 11 (02:55):
Turn out of the Idle College murders case, the Charnal
Day is now set.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
This morning, close friends of the victims are telling them
story for the first time on GMA Kana Whit We're
said down.

Speaker 12 (03:02):
With him, Good morning, Gana, Yeah, George, good morning to you.

Speaker 13 (03:05):
Hunter Johnson and Emily Alone were two of the first
people to arride at the King Roade House that November morning.
These are the friends who prompted the nine to one
to one call. Their actions described by other families as heroic,
but for them, it was a morning that changed everything,
and are speaking out for the first time about what
they want people to remember about their friends. It's not
just about how they died, but about how they lived.

Speaker 14 (03:27):
You know, you see the world in pure innocence, and
that all gets ripped away from you in one phone call.
That's just the day that changed it all.

Speaker 13 (03:35):
This morning, for the first time, the best friends of
Ethan Chapin and Xana Kernodles speaking out about that November
day when they discovered Ethan, Xana, Kayleiganzolvs and Madison Mogan
brutally murdered in an off campus home.

Speaker 4 (03:47):
I don't think anyone expects anything like that.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
Ever in their life to happen.

Speaker 13 (03:51):
Hunter Johnson and his girlfriend Emily Altt, now telling their
story in a new crime video DONCU series One Night
in Idaho the college murders.

Speaker 15 (03:58):
We were a big group of friends. Why would you
target those four?

Speaker 13 (04:02):
Emily says, she and Sanna were inseparable.

Speaker 15 (04:04):
We were attached to the hip, probably the first day
that we met.

Speaker 14 (04:07):
Yeah, we just collecked immediately.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
We were the same personalities.

Speaker 8 (04:11):
I feel like I love.

Speaker 13 (04:12):
It when people talk about Ethan and Xanna sort of
being like male and female versions of each other.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
Oh, it's very much true. They were the same person.

Speaker 13 (04:19):
Hunter and Emily say, the fall weekend has started like
any other, with a big football game, the friends snapping
this photo.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
That Saturday was a normal weekend for us. We just
hanging out with our friends.

Speaker 13 (04:28):
The next morning, Emily says, Dylan, one of the surviving roommates,
called her concerned, asking her and Hunter to come over.
In the documentary, you tell the story of really not
feeling alarmed when Dylan called you.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
I joked around with her on the phone.

Speaker 14 (04:41):
You know, it's something you would never expect.

Speaker 4 (04:44):
It's November, so I had shorts on, slides on, like
I wasn't prepared to obviously stay there I was just
going over to check see what's going on. I would say,
as soon as you get there, you know something's wrong.

Speaker 13 (04:56):
Hunter was the first person to arrive to King RhoD
to discover what happened. Friend Josie Lateran, who was also there,
describing the moments in the docu series, as.

Speaker 16 (05:04):
Soon as I sat in the house, I was like, Oh,
something is so not.

Speaker 8 (05:07):
Right, like you could feel it almost.

Speaker 17 (05:10):
Hunter was ahead of me and Emily and immediately was
pushed out and Hunter was like, get out, somebody.

Speaker 18 (05:16):
Call NU one one.

Speaker 13 (05:17):
You hear Hunter on the nine to one one call
telling the girls there was an unconscious person protecting them
from the graphic details. No, how did you remain so
calm in that moment?

Speaker 4 (05:30):
Truly, in my heart, I believe God was with me
that day and he gave me the strength to get
through that day.

Speaker 13 (05:36):
As authorities entered the home, the friends say they were
told to sit outside waiting for hours with little information.

Speaker 14 (05:42):
We watched the ambulance come and we watched them immediately leave.
So I think that that was the that was the
hard talk part for sure.

Speaker 8 (05:50):
I think that's going to come out. Hi, Hello, how
is everyone? I hope you are doing well. I hope
you're still hanging in there. I am still in Florida
visiting my folks, and I kind of, honestly, honestly, just
feel out of it in a way. This is kind
of the way I get when I have to leave
my home to go back home. It's made me think

(06:14):
about leaving for college and the friendships you pick up there,
or moving away for the first time in the second
family you make for yourself that is not your own.
And yes, I've also been thinking about heavily about Kayleie, Maddie,
Zanna Ethan and the Coburger plea deal. Some people call

(06:36):
this the best case scenario under horrific circumstances. Let's hear
the plea deal itself real quick.

Speaker 11 (06:44):
On number thirteenth, twenty two, excuse me, bes Coberger entered
the residents of eleven twenty two King Road in Moscow,
Idaho home. He did that was the intent to kill.
I will not represent that he intended to commit all
of the murders that he did that night, but we
know that that is what resulted.

Speaker 8 (07:05):
And prosecution speaking.

Speaker 11 (07:07):
Intentionally, willfully, reliberately, with premeditation, and with malice forethought, matting
Mogen Kingly, Gonsalves, Path and Shapen and Hi colonel, thank you,
thank you.

Speaker 19 (07:29):
All right.

Speaker 20 (07:30):
Based on the state's proffer and importantly, based upon defendant's
explicit admission to committing these crime, Support finds there is
a factual basis with respect to count one burglary felony.
How do you plead, mister Colberger guilty or not guilty
guilty as to count two? Murder in the first degree

(07:50):
as it relates to the murder of Madison Mogan? How
do you plead guilty or not guilty guilty as to
count three as it relates to murder in the first
degree for the murder of Kayley Consolves. How do you
plead guilty You're not guilty guilty as to count four?
The first degree murder of Xana Crenodle part of me
a human being? How do you plead guilty or not
guilty guilty as count five? The first degree murder of

(08:12):
Ethan shape and human being? How do you plead guilty
You're not guilty guilty right? Important will find that the
defendant understands the nature of the charges and each offense
possible consequences to him of his guilty plea finds that
there is a factual basis for the plea, and that
finds the defendant believes the plea to being his best interest.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
I find the flea the plea was given.

Speaker 20 (08:33):
Freely, voluntarily and was intelligently made except please I directly
it'll be entered.

Speaker 8 (08:37):
And the plea deal kind of came as a surprise
to the family. They did receive some letters from the prosecution,
but it seems like a lot of them thought that
this was not something that was going to happen. This
is from CBS News, as was the clip in the
beginning with Hunter finding the bodies the.

Speaker 21 (08:55):
Band Kings of killing four University of Idaho students back
in twenty twenty two. Will plead guilty to the murder.
Brian Cobergers expected in court tomorrow to finalize the agreement,
which will spare him the death penalty. Let's bring in
CBS news as Anna Scheckner. She's a senior coordinating producer
of the Crime and Public Safety Unit. You're at CBS
News and I good to see you.

Speaker 6 (09:11):
So remind us.

Speaker 21 (09:11):
Again the details of this case and what transpired to
lead to this guilty place.

Speaker 9 (09:15):
Well three years ago, these four college students were murdered,
stabbed to death in their home off campus. They were
all students at the University of Idaho, and investigators found
surveillance footage of a car that looked just like Coburger's
cars circling around driving.

Speaker 8 (09:31):
By self bong kings.

Speaker 9 (09:33):
They also found a knife sheath with his DNA on
it that they said match an Amazon dot Com purchase
of his a knife.

Speaker 22 (09:40):
With a sheath.

Speaker 9 (09:41):
So investigators and prosecutors have pulled all of this evidence
together and a trial was actually set for August.

Speaker 18 (09:47):
So this news that broke.

Speaker 8 (09:49):
They were getting running really has surry.

Speaker 9 (09:51):
Folks in the community, the victims' families as well. You know,
we'll talk about that in a moment, but really surprising
turn of events in this case.

Speaker 21 (09:58):
Yeah, So you mentioned the families are responding and a
lot of them seem to be very unhappy with what
he has been decided by the prosecution.

Speaker 9 (10:06):
What can you tell, right, well, Kaylee Gonzalveez's family put
out a statement saying that they've failed us.

Speaker 18 (10:12):
To talk about the prosecutors.

Speaker 9 (10:14):
They're so disappointed that this outcome actually doesn't seek the
justice that they felt they were promised. So her family
they were looking forward to having a trial, and they
were also in favor of the death penalty being on
the table. But the families are smith our own. Jonathan
Digliotti spoke to the father of Mattie Mogan. I think
we have a SoundBite from him. He felt relief upon

(10:36):
getting this news.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
I think it's just you.

Speaker 12 (10:39):
Don't have to torture families that have been already through
the most horrific thing they could ever imagine. Then I
don't want another day? Is this and they're talking about decades?

Speaker 3 (10:53):
He does want another day?

Speaker 21 (10:54):
I think I appreciate the sentiment. And man, Benjamin Mogan
looks terrible, like having I can't imagine the pain of
losing a child. Is he unique in alone and feeling
this way or the others.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
Sort of subscribing to that. You know, we haven't.

Speaker 8 (11:08):
Heard this from News Nation. This is Steve Gonzalvez, Kaylee's dad.

Speaker 19 (11:14):
He is the father of Kallee Gonzalvez. His attorney is
Shannon Gray, who has stood by him steadfast from the beginning. Steve,
you know, I don't know what to say. The first
person I thought of when I heard this.

Speaker 8 (11:25):
News today, Actually the man is talking to tell you.

Speaker 19 (11:30):
How sorry I was, because I know how this is landing,
at least I think I do. But I wanted you
to have your say. I wanted you to be able
to say out loud for everyone to hear what this
means to you and your family.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
This is anything but justice. This is the opposite of
our will. There was no majority believing that this was acceptable.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
I want to honor all.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
The police officers, the FBI, and all.

Speaker 6 (11:54):
The people that work their kale off. The failure is
at the court level, but the men in the boots
on the ground and the women that were out there working,
I want to honor everything that they did for our children.
The fault is in leadership and the people that you

(12:14):
placed this evidence upon. They day or week they decided
to play god and decide what this man's decision should be,
and not a journey.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
Not a peers, not his peers. They you know. So
that's where we are today.

Speaker 22 (12:32):
Walk me through what happened.

Speaker 19 (12:35):
Brandonton, you know, did some really great reporting at the
top of his show here.

Speaker 8 (12:38):
I feel for all of them. I cannot imagine what
any of these Karen's are going through right now.

Speaker 6 (12:44):
I would say ever since Hippler's demanded an independent investigation.
They couldn't get away from this case fast enough. They've
done everything to make this case go away.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
So I don't know what that entails, but he said he.

Speaker 6 (12:59):
Was going to have it independent investigator, and all of
a sudden, we seem like we were on rails to
get rid of this case and make complete deal.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
I mean, he's guilty. We all know he's guilty. There's
more than enough evidence. But it's tough. It's tough to
put a community through this, and it.

Speaker 6 (13:15):
Could be bad for reputations and business identities, and there's fallout.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
But this isn't the will of the victims.

Speaker 6 (13:26):
This is just one person making a decision and it
doesn't reflect what we were asking for.

Speaker 19 (13:33):
Stee, Did anybody ever call you from the prosecutor's office
to just personally discuss this with you? Did anybody offer
to meet with you in person to go over this
potential plan we have and.

Speaker 8 (13:46):
The family's opinions do in a way matter like they
are often not legally, but they are often taken into
consideration what a family wants, like with the Chris Watts
case that we cover one of the reasons the death
penalty was not on the table is because the family's
Snan's family said they didn't want any more death, So

(14:10):
these things are sometimes taken into a lot of consideration.
In this case, I think the families were split about
fifty to fifty with what they wanted to happen. Ethan's
family and Maddie's family seemed much more satisfied with the verdict,

(14:31):
the not the verdicts the plea than Kayley's family and
Zanna's family div again when it comes on Friday.

Speaker 6 (14:42):
No, no, no, We had this regular meeting that we
have to try basically do an update of what's going
on where things are at. Because I'd always say, actually,
an amazing state where it really does care about people.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
We just get one or two, you know, people who just.

Speaker 6 (14:57):
Don't care about the victims and don't care about justice,
and it's easy to.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
Take the weight out. It's easy to make an excuse
and say I'm doing this for the victims, even.

Speaker 6 (15:06):
Though I've never interviewed the victims, I've never really talked.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
To them to find out what their true feelings are.
So here we are, We're stuck. We're stuck, and we
can't get out of it.

Speaker 8 (15:17):
And poor Steve. He feels like he's failed his daughter.
After this interview, maybe a week later, he issued this
apology statement where he was just like, I'm so sorry, Kaylee.
I tried, and I think that that's heartbreaking. I see
him getting a lot of criticism from people, but I
get where he's coming from.

Speaker 6 (15:36):
I asked you your audience, if anybody knows dudch Hitler,
reach out.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
To him and ask him to put.

Speaker 6 (15:42):
His foot down and not accept this offer. It doesn't
reflect anything in Idaho.

Speaker 8 (15:48):
This is not justice.

Speaker 6 (15:49):
We had an outsider come to our community kill our
kids in their sleep while they're getting a college education,
doing everything that they should do, and we don't have
the courage to hold him accountable. No plea deal, Let's
go for this guy, Let's do it.

Speaker 8 (16:04):
And Judge Hipler said that that was something he couldn't do,
that he had no control over. That's how he opened
the hearing. So there will be no trial, there will
be no death penalty on the table, there will be
no decade of appeals in the event that he was
found guilty. But what there still will be or conspiracy

(16:25):
theorist sing I told you something was up with this case.
There will be people asking, if the state had such
a slam dunk case, why didn't they take it to trial?
And there will be people like me who have watched
this from afar with no skin in the game itself,
wondering why now? Why not two years ago? Why make

(16:45):
the families wait for almost three years under a strict
gag order, Wondering if they will ever get any of
the answers that they were looking for, Wondering why the
plea deal didn't have to include a why at all?
Why did you do this? Why are you pleading guilty?
What was your motive here? There are parents who are
devastated by this decision, because if someone violently murders your child,

(17:09):
beats them so badly that they're unrecognizable like Kaylee, and
then stabs them to death while they're in their bed,
wouldn't you want them to die too? I don't believe
in the death penalty, but I would. I'm not above that.
I'm not above wanting justice or even vengeance. I think
that's a very human response. There are parents who are

(17:32):
satisfied with the decision too, and I understand that as well.
Knowing the coburger will be behind bars, he'll never be
able to hurt an other unsuspecting group of young adults.
There are people who say they didn't want their taxpayer
money to go to decades of appeals, but spoiler alert,
your taxpayer money goes to funding the military and ice now,

(17:53):
so this one doesn't matter to me. Use my money
to solve crimes. What is your gigantic police budget it
for if it can't even do that? And I hope
that once the gag order is lifted, they give the
family as many answers as possible to questions no parents
should ever even have to ask. Knowing is brutal, but

(18:15):
not knowing that can make you insane. It's unbearable. You
try and fill in the pieces yourself, kind of like
we're all doing right now. Personally, I've always thought it
was probably Coburger that did it. But I do believe
in innocent until proven guilty. I do believe in fair trials,
even for the biggest monsters. I do think that this

(18:36):
should have gone to trial. I think a plea nearly
three years later is too little, too late. There's an
Amazon Prime documentary premiering today July eleventh. One night in Idaho,
I watched a screener of it a few weeks ago,
So I do wonder if what I saw is different
than what will end up being released in the light

(18:57):
of the plea deal. And we'll hear some peace of
that today too. The current version, as well as more
on Coburger's plea, more on the parents' reactions, the surviving roommates,
the door dash delivery, the things we have answers to,
and the questions that linger. This is the trailer for
one night in Idaho.

Speaker 14 (19:18):
These kids were just having the best time of their lives.

Speaker 8 (19:22):
Nobody you couldn't imagined what was about to happen.

Speaker 21 (19:26):
Or University of Idaho students were found murdered in their
off campus residents.

Speaker 22 (19:31):
The attack was targeted with a quote edged weapon.

Speaker 8 (19:34):
I set foot in the house and immediately Hunter was
like to get out to Somebody called every one.

Speaker 23 (19:39):
The question everybody wants answered is why why these four kids?

Speaker 3 (19:46):
This can't be true. I mean, beside hope, your kid's
supposed to be safe going off to college, had a
good time. We were a big group of friends.

Speaker 15 (19:56):
Why would you target those four There's a big realization
that we had been stalked for so many months and
had no clue.

Speaker 22 (20:05):
People were banking.

Speaker 8 (20:06):
People were really fearful.

Speaker 6 (20:08):
There's this person out there who had just murdered our brother,
and he's still out there somewhere.

Speaker 23 (20:14):
Masca police put out very little information, and rumors and speculation.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
Just started to fill the silence. How could they not
tell us what's going on. Dylan and Bethany were getting blamed,
completely slandered on the internet. People were thinking that we
were orders. We're getting death lips.

Speaker 22 (20:33):
People always suspect the boyfriend.

Speaker 24 (20:35):
Somebody had sent a photo of my house.

Speaker 21 (20:38):
Now people know my address and saying I have something
to do with it that.

Speaker 8 (20:44):
And he said that we have a suspect in us.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
I just felt my heart beat go crazy fast.

Speaker 8 (20:53):
I know that guy.

Speaker 15 (20:54):
My mom said it's over, and I said, no, Mom,
it's just the beginning.

Speaker 8 (21:02):
Ethan Chapin was a triplet and the two surviving siblings
speak out in the documentary. This is a different interview
of the Chapins from Good Morning America.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
Family of one of the victims, Ethan Chapin.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
I want to go back to Kana in Boise.

Speaker 13 (21:18):
Good morning, Canna, Yeah, George, good morning. So the last
time that Jim and Stacy Chapin saw their son Ethan alive.

Speaker 8 (21:25):
It was parents weekend at.

Speaker 13 (21:26):
The University of Idaho.

Speaker 3 (21:27):
They told me they.

Speaker 13 (21:28):
Left full of pride their three children, their triplets were
living their best lives without feeling was short lived. It
wasn't long after they learned that Ethan had been murdered
in a quadruple homicide that thrust the town of Moscow
into chaos. And this morning, for the first time, the
Chapin family tells the story of how they stayed afoot.

Speaker 19 (21:47):
We just decided maybe it was best to ben tom
our story of Ethan only just literally one time.

Speaker 22 (21:54):
Kay deserves it. Kay deserves our story of him.

Speaker 13 (21:59):
This morning, as the Idaho murder suspect prepares to accept
a plea deal, the family of Ethan Chapin speaking publicly
together for the first time since Ethan, his girlfriend, Xana Kernodle,
and her roommates Madison Mogan and Kayleie Gonzalvez were brutally
murdered in an off campus home at the University of Idaho.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
I miss him every day. Son at twenty, you know, it's.

Speaker 8 (22:24):
It's different, especially with triplets, especially like how bonds.

Speaker 13 (22:31):
And I always will Ethan a triplet with his siblings,
Hunter and Mazie, all attending the University of Idaho together.

Speaker 22 (22:38):
Hunter and Maizie and their parents Jim and Stacy.

Speaker 13 (22:41):
Now telling their story in a new Pime video docu series,
One Night in Idaho the College murders, remembering, there's six
foot four larger than life.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
Brother and son. We played every sport together.

Speaker 6 (22:52):
Every time we went in the car, it was together.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
There's never a dull moment.

Speaker 13 (22:58):
The night before Ethan was killed, Mazie brought him to
her sorority formal. She now cherishes the text he sent
her before bed.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
So we started off by texting me. I think he said, dog,
come hang out.

Speaker 9 (23:08):
We all want you here, and I said I'm going
to bed, and then they said love you, and.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
I didn't even respond to that.

Speaker 13 (23:15):
I think I was asleep by then, and that I
love you kind of.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
Stood out though.

Speaker 13 (23:19):
Well, yeah, yeah, definitely, Hunter, who pledged Sigma Kai with Ethan,
says the next morning, a friend at the fraternity woke
him up, saying the police were at Xana's house.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
Hunter Johnson came up to me and said, I was like,
where's Ethan and Xanna? And then He's like, they're not here.

Speaker 8 (23:33):
Anymore, Hunter Johnson, what do you.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
Mean they're not here? I think they were murdered last night.

Speaker 13 (23:39):
Hunter was forced to call his family with the news,
his parents in disbelief.

Speaker 5 (23:44):
That drives me crazy because I've always wanted to protect
my family.

Speaker 8 (23:50):
There that I.

Speaker 17 (23:51):
Could have done instant LaaS he was taken a suspect,
Brian Coberg arrested nearly seven weeks later with a bit
of a reale, the Chapins shifting their focus to their
son's legacy, getting tattoos to honor him.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
We all benefited.

Speaker 8 (24:08):
Family always got also got tattoos matching tattoos for so
the Chapins, their attitude has always been a little different
than the gun Solvas family. And I am not condemning
any of these attitudes. This is something that I have
no idea how I would I would handle. I think
most of us can't until it happens to us. But

(24:31):
they originally said they weren't going to go to the trial.
They didn't want the details that none of that would
bring even back. And I commend that so much because
that is so above the way that I think. I'm
the kind of person who wants to know every detail,
even if it traumatizes me because I have like some

(24:53):
kind of magical thinking that knowing what happened does change
the circumstance dances, which it doesn't. They're they're right. Someone
we here brought up a lot is the other Hunter
who found Ethan and shielded the girls from what was happening.

Speaker 15 (25:11):
Erside of Idaho Murder sees there's a big realization that
we had been.

Speaker 5 (25:16):
Stalked for so many months, describing the morning students Zada Kernodle,
Ethan Chapin, Kaylee Gountalviz, and Matty Mogan were found stabbed
to death in their off campus home.

Speaker 17 (25:26):
As soon as I sat in the house, I was like, Oh,
something is so not right.

Speaker 5 (25:29):
Friends Josie Laucheran and Emily Allen and her boyfriend Hunter
Johnson were the first on the scene.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
In Prime Videos.

Speaker 5 (25:35):
Upcoming DOCU series One Night in Idaho the College Murders,
revealing that one of the surviving roommates Dylan called saying
she was scared and asking them to come over.

Speaker 22 (25:45):
When Dylan had called, I didn't think it was urgent.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
When we got.

Speaker 22 (25:50):
There, Dylan Macany had.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
Exited the house.

Speaker 15 (25:54):
They frightened, just kind of like, uh, just hands on
their mouth, like I don't.

Speaker 3 (26:01):
Know what's going on type thing.

Speaker 25 (26:02):
I set foot in the house and immediately Hunter was
I to get out.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
Somebody called that on one.

Speaker 5 (26:06):
Johnson was the first to realize they were in a
crime scene. You can hear him on the nine to
one one called ushering everyone outside.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
Yeah, when we were interviewing them, it was.

Speaker 26 (26:19):
Quite a raw emotional experience for them to relive sort
of second by second, how that day played out and
how the week's played out afterwards.

Speaker 5 (26:27):
Six weeks after the November twenty twenty two killings, graduate
student Brian Koberger was arrested and charged with the murders,
and not guilty plea has been entered on his behalf,
with his trial since to begin in early August.

Speaker 6 (26:39):
There's this person out there who had just murdered our brother, and.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
He's still out there somewhere.

Speaker 5 (26:44):
The new series also features exclusive interviews with the parents
of Chapin and Mogan. This can't be true, I mean
this side can we expect to get any insights from
those survivors.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
As to why this happened. We certainly have a strong
fear of why this happened.

Speaker 26 (27:00):
We're expecting that other aspects might come out in the trial,
but we we done pretty deep of this one.

Speaker 8 (27:08):
And we don't know exactly what their theories the producers
of One Night in Idaho are. But one theory that
they have that a lot of people have had is
the insull theory that Brian Coberger was an in cel,
a person who was involuntary, involuntarily celibate, and that kind
of took on more meaning after the Elliott Rogers murders.

(27:32):
He was an incell who shot a bunch of girls
and made a video and kind of became a hero
in their community. And that is because there were these
Reddit posts by an account Papa Rogers that happened after
the murders, and it seemed that this account had knowledge
and questions that other people didn't. This is from Inside Edition.

Speaker 27 (27:58):
Was Brian Coberger's brutal murder of four college roommates inspired
by this monster.

Speaker 10 (28:04):
Oh slaughter every single spoiled, stuck up, blonde slut.

Speaker 27 (28:10):
Elliott Roger murdered six University of California Santa Barbera students
in twenty fourteen with his arsenal of knives, of pistols
and his car as a weapon. Twenty two year old
Roger was an in cel, an involuntary celibate, and a
scene as an icon by other in cels.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
You never showed me any mercy, and so I will
show you none.

Speaker 27 (28:31):
The chilling in cel connection.

Speaker 8 (28:32):
You know, these people are fucking lazy, these in cels.
If any of you are listening, don't think you're my
target audience. But you're fucking lazy. You're you don't put
in the effort, and then you cry and say you
can't get laid and you can't get a date. It's
really just that you're extremely, extremely pathetic. It has nothing

(28:55):
to do with how you look. I know some of the.

Speaker 16 (28:57):
Dudes I've slept with and dated, and the dudes that
my friends has slept with and dated, and a lot
of them were not good booking dudes. But they tried,
they put an effort, they were funny, they were good dudes.
And to just take this way out of blaming all
these women and all women are sluts, No, your lazy,

(29:21):
pathetic cowards.

Speaker 27 (29:23):
Is explored in a new documentary series One Night in Idaho,
premiering on Prime Friday.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
Brian Coberger certainly.

Speaker 26 (29:32):
Subscribed to a lot of the point of views of
Elliott Roger, which is angered towards women, a lot of
feelings of rejection.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
I'm twenty two years old and I've never had a girlfriend.

Speaker 27 (29:41):
In his insane gart well Elliott's authority, Kaylei Gonzalvez, one
of Goberger's victims, was also a member of Alpha Fiet,
and Coburger could have seen TikTok videos she and her vivacious,
fun loving roommates posted. There's also this strange connection to
Elliott Roger. Coburger reportedly adopted the user name Papa Roger

(30:05):
to infiltrate online citizen sleuth.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
Forums Brian Coberger.

Speaker 27 (30:09):
Coburger studied Roger's rampage for his criminology course at the
Sales University in Pennsylvania, where he was a star student
of forensic psychology professor Katherine Ramsland, an expert on serial killers.

Speaker 7 (30:22):
I actually look at the framework of one I taught
in wonder did I inspire him in some way?

Speaker 27 (30:28):
Former classmate Josh Ferrero says he fit the profile of
an in cell. Did you ever see him talk to women?

Speaker 3 (30:34):
The only thing that stands out to me particularly is
that he didn't talk to a single one. He was
the kind of kid that came to class. He answered questions.
I never saw him talk to anybody.

Speaker 27 (30:43):
The new documentary also explores how some citizens sleuths falsely
accused other people of the slayings before Coburger was arrested.
The falsely accused included David Barriochoa, a friend of the
slain students. One troll posted these photos side by side,
claiming they matched the killers wanted poster.

Speaker 22 (31:02):
Now people know my address and saying I have something
to do with it.

Speaker 26 (31:05):
Their lives were turned upside down, one because they lost
one of the people closest to them, but two because
they were then having to fend off accusations that they
were murderers.

Speaker 8 (31:18):
This is from the documentary.

Speaker 28 (31:21):
We had a member on our page by the name
of Papa Roger, and the way he spoke gave everybody
just like a very like off feeling.

Speaker 8 (31:31):
They weren't how long do we think the killer was there?
A knife is a very risky weapon, which.

Speaker 29 (31:36):
True that if we started for They were a very detailed,
very descriptive statements about the crime scene. He would talk
about where the bodies were positioned in the house.

Speaker 8 (31:50):
Which we did get that wrong.

Speaker 22 (31:52):
Uncomfortable and the way he phrased questions do we think
the person something from the scene?

Speaker 8 (32:01):
And people do you I do?

Speaker 23 (32:05):
Elena and I talked about how creepy he was, and
then tons of people talked about I bet you the
killers on this page.

Speaker 22 (32:12):
We had a quarter of a million people. I'm sure
the killers on this page.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
Of the Facebook prayer didn't that join this Facebook group.

Speaker 22 (32:21):
I think what we're looking at is some of his
own need to be looked at.

Speaker 30 (32:27):
The difficulty about a crime for the criminal who wants
credit is if nobody's figured out you've done it, how
do you get credit?

Speaker 22 (32:36):
Part of how that need to get satisfied is you.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
Sit back and you watch.

Speaker 25 (32:44):
In the weeks after the murders, the Facebook group stayed
very active, but one particular contributor really stood out.

Speaker 31 (32:52):
When the police said that they were looking for a
white Alandra, that just set off pandemonium on the page.
Papa Roger was insistent this white a Landra was a
red herring, that it had nothing to do.

Speaker 22 (33:04):
With the crime, was bogus, that we should be focusing
on other things.

Speaker 25 (33:07):
In the first weeks of December, despite having no proof
at all, the members of the forum began to speculate
that Papa Roger was actually the killer.

Speaker 22 (33:17):
People would ask for his removal.

Speaker 28 (33:20):
You're going to get rid of this guy or what
because it's kind of scaring me.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
He's freaking me out. But I saw no reason to
remove him either way.

Speaker 8 (33:30):
I guess it's evidence the newsber.

Speaker 23 (33:32):
I had to travel where I was going to be
offline and not be able to help, so we asked
the number to help out for a little while.

Speaker 22 (33:39):
As a moderator.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
Papa Roger got.

Speaker 22 (33:44):
Into a big fight with a lot of people. He
would fight incessantly with members in our page.

Speaker 30 (33:53):
The wanting to see the maximum destruction, wanting to see
the effects of your decision making and stirring the pot
with the online community is something we do see sometimes
in narcissistic individuals.

Speaker 23 (34:05):
He had done several warnings, and this moderator that we
had asked to help fill in removed him from the page.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
I was not happy with that decision.

Speaker 28 (34:17):
Another there's a lot of information that's now deleted completely.

Speaker 22 (34:22):
Oh, there's some key evidence there, thankfully. The starting tons
of screenshots of things that he said on the page
before it was removed.

Speaker 8 (34:30):
And one of the things that was asked by Papa
Roger was about the knife sheath, and that was four
weeks before the FBI announced that a knife sheath was
left behind and Coburger's DNA was pulled from it. Also,
after Coburger was arrested, this account completely disappeared.

Speaker 31 (34:51):
Papa Roger was removed from the page Summer Gay four
and six pm and within.

Speaker 22 (34:55):
The hour Papa.

Speaker 23 (34:56):
Roger opens a new Facebook group called Moscow Murders.

Speaker 22 (35:01):
Anything goes.

Speaker 23 (35:05):
There was a statement by Papa Roger on November thirtieth
where he says, of the evidence released, the murder weapon
has been.

Speaker 22 (35:12):
Consistent as a large fixed blade knife.

Speaker 23 (35:15):
This leads me to believe they found the sheath. People
were like, where are you getting this from. Then in January, the.

Speaker 28 (35:22):
PCA comes out and we see that the sheep in
fact was left behind, which again makes us all, I
think that this very well could have been the suspect.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
Lena and Christine also.

Speaker 8 (35:34):
I don't know what I think about this. I kind
of think now that it was.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
And they discover.

Speaker 6 (35:41):
Herself in very good.

Speaker 23 (35:44):
When Ryan Kolberger is arrested, Papa roger profile goes blank.

Speaker 22 (35:49):
You don't see it anymore, there's no more interactions at all.

Speaker 8 (35:52):
And that would have been something the FBI would have
had to do because my sign like, oh my god,
he probably was. He couldn't have deleted in from prison jail.

Speaker 28 (36:02):
That my profile against erased from the Internet and that
Edmund gets erased as.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
Well, and.

Speaker 8 (36:11):
The Papa Rogers believe drawing icon looks a lot like Aburger.

Speaker 23 (36:16):
I probably work to get all of this information offline
so they can use it in their case.

Speaker 8 (36:23):
But if if they even had this, I feel like
this would have been just such slam dunk evidence in
the case if they FBI knew this was Coburger, And
maybe that will come out after the gag order, but
I don't know why he would have pled, wouldn't have
pled sooner with that information if they had that information.

(36:45):
I really don't know tion of Papa.

Speaker 10 (36:47):
Roger in the probable cause after David, or really any
evidence that the FBI took down the account in fact,
that there may be no connection to Coburger at all.
But Alita and Christine could not help but notice something
very striking about the Papa Roger profile picture.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
His actual profile.

Speaker 28 (37:05):
Picture is of a Russian military guy from Moscow.

Speaker 22 (37:10):
In my eyes, he does resemble the suspect.

Speaker 14 (37:13):
He does.

Speaker 8 (37:14):
He really does.

Speaker 31 (37:16):
If you were to look at Coberger sideways like his profile,
I feel like that is looks just like him.

Speaker 8 (37:23):
I think for.

Speaker 30 (37:24):
Coberger, even the bones Roger, if this was a thrill
seeking situation for him, a thrill seeking a vent, dropping
these little clues, dropping these hints helps him not only
relive the high, but it helps him stay in control
and creates sort of a secondary high for himself.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
Which is the hunt.

Speaker 6 (37:41):
The hunt for him.

Speaker 8 (37:44):
Also the testimony for the door Dash driver or someone
with the same initials as the DoorDash driver who was
arrested in Washington State, you have to testify and Rich murder.
In bodycam footage taken in twenty twenty four, the woman

(38:06):
tells officer she parked next to Coburger the night of
the November twenty twenty two stabbings. The driver captured in
the bodycam footage was pulled over for expired tabs, according
to an arrest report. If the DoorDash driver is the
woman in the video, her credibility as a witness could
be questioned due to the expected dui. But she said

(38:29):
that Coburger had pulled up right next to her, So
that would have been another eyewitness other than Dylan Mortensen,
one of the surviving roommates who the two surviving roommates,
Dylan and Bethany have just kind of been rigged over
the coals and so many accusations against them. They were

(38:49):
both supposed to testify in the trial. Another thing that
had happened that Brian Coburger gave up his right to
a speedy trial. The trial was supposed to start a
long time ago. This is from Dateline.

Speaker 7 (39:04):
It was not the news Steve and Christy Gonzalezez wanted
to hear. In August of twenty twenty three, just six
weeks before the murder trial of Brian Koberger was said
to begin, he waived his right to a speedy trial.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
A definitely for their day in court.

Speaker 30 (39:26):
I was really hoping that Kaylee, we could get this
show on the road because the not knowing it just
it is agony.

Speaker 8 (39:36):
And they're still in that not knowing place right now.

Speaker 7 (39:39):
Steve and Christie, the parents of Kayley, haven't left anything
to chance. After the judge issued a gag order to
attorney's and law enforcement quote to preserve the right to
a fair trial, they drilled down on their own investigation
and are now sharing what they believe that investigation found.

(40:00):
Steve says he believes transparency is the best path to justice.

Speaker 8 (40:06):
Hopefully you'll be able to get their answers now.

Speaker 22 (40:08):
Hopefully cross her fingers and pray that we're going to
get justice.

Speaker 7 (40:16):
It has been a long and painful journey for the
families of Kaylee Gonsalves, Matty Mogan, Xena Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin,
the four University of Idaho.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
Students who We're sorry.

Speaker 8 (40:29):
I know a lot of this is not.

Speaker 4 (40:32):
In the wee hours of.

Speaker 7 (40:33):
November thirteenth, twenty twenty two, as they settled down to
sleep in their off campus house on King Road, do you.

Speaker 11 (40:41):
Ever dream of your sister?

Speaker 8 (40:44):
Yeah, I've had some dreams of her, Zanna.

Speaker 30 (40:46):
There's terms where I prayed and ask God to see
your good other time, and I did, and.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
Excuse me some peace, knowing that I know she's okay.

Speaker 7 (40:56):
Jasmine Kernodle, who is speaking for the first time, was
a senior at Washington State University and lived only fifteen
minutes away from her younger sister Sanna.

Speaker 8 (41:07):
All these poor kid twins growing up Maddie was the
only one who was an only child. We'll hear from
her mom's film.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
She was upliftated. She took any bad situation turned it
into a good one. Jeff, What did you love most
about your daughter? Everything? She cared about people. She is
a people person. She's cared about her friends. This is
missus like your family.

Speaker 7 (41:34):
For the first time in her life. Xanna had fallen
in love with fellow student Ethan Chapin, a triplet who
loved his siblings, boats and working on a tulip farm.

Speaker 18 (41:46):
The sweetest kid ever. They were just two happy people.

Speaker 8 (41:50):
And they seem like they're such a happy young and love.
They just seem so happy.

Speaker 22 (41:56):
They were just amazing together.

Speaker 7 (41:58):
Sadly they will now forever be linked.

Speaker 8 (42:01):
In death and Xana. It breaks my heart for her
because as far as we know, she was the most
awake in the Dateline series. The way that they suspect
it happened, which I don't know if I agree with,
I really don't know what the hell happened here is
that Xana heard Kayley and Mattie being stabbed to death,

(42:21):
came upstairs. This is when Coburger drops the knife sheath
under Mattie's body. That's where it was found under Mattie's body,
which is why they think that Mattie was first, and
also why a lot of people think Mattie was the target.
I think Kaylee woke up tried to fight back. She
was beaten severely, either with somebody's fists or the other

(42:43):
side of the knife in the face. Her father said
she could have died from those injuries alone. They believe
Xana ran up the stairs to see what was happening.
This is when we get the if you've been following this,
one of the things Dylan said she heard if someone
say saying, don't worry, I'm here to help you. She
was then chased through her room, either stabbed for the

(43:07):
first time in the kitchen or in her room, and
she fought so hard her fingers were nearly severed. That's
also a reason that the poor roommates got a lot
of speculation put on them. Because they saw Xana lying
in front of her door, they thought she was drunk
and passed out. They didn't realize that she had been

(43:29):
stabbed to death until Hunter went in the room and
physically checked on them, saw Xana and checked on Ian
and bet Ethan in bed and even took his pulse
to see if he was breathing, and then told everyone
to get out of the house. The nine one one
call is really confusing, and hopefully more clarity will come
out on that, not that it's something that any of

(43:50):
us are owed, but because I think that that would
put a lot of the rumors to rest. So many
people say they covered up the crime scene and waited
to call nine one one. I don't think they did
anything like that at all. I think they didn't call
nine one one initially because they didn't want to get
their roommates in trouble. There was underage drinking. Maddie and
Kaylee were the only ones old enough to drink, so

(44:12):
they were waiting for them to wake up, not knowing
that everyone is dead. That's not the first place your
mind goes, especially in a college house, in a party house,
and just the devastation of everyone finding this out is
from the Today Show on ways people tried to heal afterward,

(44:34):
including Madison Mogan's mom. Like I said, Maddie is the
only one who was an only child. As an only
child myself, it's just something you kind of even fear
for yourself, like what would my parents do? Because, as
you're often told, like you're only one.

Speaker 18 (44:52):
In the years since the tragedy, those who knew Madison, Kaylee, Zanna,
and Ethan have worked to keep their memories alive. The
University of Idaho dedicated a new healing garden and memorial
in August.

Speaker 21 (45:04):
Today we concentrate this ground as a place where all
can reflect honor their memories.

Speaker 8 (45:10):
The house was to run.

Speaker 18 (45:11):
Down, Ethan's family established Ethan's Smile to carry on his legacy.
His mom stacy talking about Ethan last.

Speaker 22 (45:18):
Year on today, he just swarmed every room. He had
a wonderful smile.

Speaker 18 (45:23):
Now Maddie, Kaylee, and Xana are being honored through the
Maid with Kindness Foundation. The foundation's mission to partner with
colleges and universities to provide scholarship funds, grief wellness seminars,
and comprehensive on campus safety awareness.

Speaker 8 (45:38):
Stopping Karen on the board, she.

Speaker 18 (45:41):
Joined other family and friends last month to dedicate Bestie's
Benches to her daughter and her friends, a place to
reflect and to celebrate three beautiful lives.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
Well.

Speaker 18 (45:54):
Karen Laramie is with us this morning alongside Angela nevehas
who is the co founder of this Maid with Kindness Foundation,
which we want to talk about this morning in the
way that you both are honoring Maddie. But Karen, to
be with you and know how much you have been through.
Just how are you doing this morning?

Speaker 3 (46:14):
General?

Speaker 32 (46:14):
Right, It's been a long flight and some major travels,
but I feel the love, yeah, absolutely from you guys.

Speaker 33 (46:23):
Well, we learned a lot about Maddie and I was
just wondering, like, you must be you must talk to
her often.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
I was imagining you doing that.

Speaker 22 (46:34):
Tell me about what that's like.

Speaker 32 (46:39):
It's about memories and love. And sometimes I see her
in dreams when she's like a toddler, in those days
when they still hug you. And sometimes I see her
in dreams when she's more of an adult, and it's
always about hugs and appreciation.

Speaker 8 (46:55):
And those dreams are always so bitter sweet too.

Speaker 18 (46:58):
I have a dream about someone you've lost to so
special because I always think you know they're perfectly preserved
in your mind, absolutely, and it's such a precious gift.
You almost don't want to wake up from that dream.

Speaker 32 (47:09):
Yes, absolutely, it's hard, yeah, because you have to say
goodbye again, but you and.

Speaker 18 (47:14):
Maddie had such a special relationship. I mean I was
telling you before, it's kind of mom goals, the way
that she grew up and was so beloved and this
special connection that you had. Can you tell me about
her and tell me about that.

Speaker 32 (47:29):
So one of the funny stories I was telling I
think my aunt is that we never had slam doors
in our house. We never had There was one string
cheese fight one time when she was eight because she
wouldn't eat dinner. She would snack, snacksnack, And I said, honey,
you you cannot have string cheese because I'm making dinner.
And she's sill, lammed it on the counter and marched

(47:50):
to her room, and my husband Scott and I looked
at her, like, what just happened there? I think that
was so out of character. Madison was a great baby.
I'm not going to say it was. Madison is absolutely
amazing and always husband like, didn't have terrible two's, She
had some stubborn threes, but even as a teenager she was.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
Just a joy.

Speaker 33 (48:13):
Well you describe her kindness as beyond It's like Maddie.

Speaker 8 (48:19):
And Kaylie who were found in bed together. They were
best friends since they were in sixth grade. They applied
to colleges together. I mean they literally died together.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
Everywhere she went, she brought light.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
That was just how she led right, tell us about it.

Speaker 8 (48:36):
It is.

Speaker 22 (48:37):
So it was just surprising to me.

Speaker 32 (48:39):
Like, So we were in Seattle one time, and I'm
watching her as an adult going shopping and being in
these stores, and I'm like, you're just so kind to everybody,
Like did I really did we really agree with that?

Speaker 8 (48:50):
And you that's amazing.

Speaker 32 (48:54):
One time she called my cousin on Veterans Day and
said thank you for your service. After she lived with them,
like burnt half his pans. She just had that genuine
love that it's just impossible to describe.

Speaker 21 (49:12):
Do you wake up some mornings and wonder if it's
all real?

Speaker 3 (49:15):
It's been two years.

Speaker 18 (49:17):
It's real.

Speaker 32 (49:18):
Yeah, but I know where the girls are. And faith
is really the basis of how you get up every.

Speaker 18 (49:26):
Morning when you have a loss this deep. I love
how sentimental Maddie seemed to be. I know, you're wearing
a ring that she surprised you with. Yes, we tell me,
I want to. It's so beautiful. So a young girl
like that to do something for.

Speaker 32 (49:43):
Her mom so it's a two piece ring. And my
half I think, says you are my sunshine, and her
said my only sunshine.

Speaker 3 (49:51):
Oh.

Speaker 18 (49:52):
I used to sing that to her, yes all the time.
And I know she made you a mother's Day book.
I mean, it's just extraordinary to me, this connection that
you so clearly had with this beautiful girl.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
It was easy.

Speaker 22 (50:05):
She is amazing.

Speaker 33 (50:07):
She is amazing, and she lives on in this organization
that you and your friend Angela have established.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
Tell us about that, Angela. Yea.

Speaker 34 (50:19):
So my daughter and I decided my daughter's Ashlyn, her
and Maddie were best friends.

Speaker 22 (50:24):
They went to school together as well, and we just.

Speaker 34 (50:27):
Decided that we wanted to start something to be able
to remember and honor the girls in kind of how
they were, their optimism, empowerment, confidence, and so we just
woke up one morning and said, hey, let's start a
foundation in.

Speaker 22 (50:43):
The girl's honor.

Speaker 34 (50:44):
And I grabbed some flowers and wrote a letter to
Karen and she wasn't.

Speaker 22 (50:50):
Home, so I stuck it on her door and.

Speaker 34 (50:53):
She got home from Hawaii, and then here we are.

Speaker 8 (50:58):
I really hope all the pairs parents can get to
this place with even how hard it is and the
lack of info. There is right now I hope that
will come out is Steve Gunsalvez on Ashley Banfield, and
you can tell he's just really struggling, but he also
has a message for his daughter in this Steve, you made.

Speaker 19 (51:20):
The trip to Boise with your family. Did any prosecutors
or anyone from the prosecutor's office reach out to you
or anyone with your family either before the hearing, at
any point outside the court, or after the hearing.

Speaker 6 (51:36):
The only people who reach out to me are agents
that are part of this court system, that have warned
me to be careful with this court system.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
And shame on me for not listening. Shame on me
for letting kaylie down.

Speaker 8 (51:50):
He did all that he could do. This was not
his case. It was out of his hands.

Speaker 6 (51:54):
My heart, I'm truly sorry that I didn't get you
a prosecutor who.

Speaker 3 (52:03):
Really believed what happened to you could only be fixed
with life fixed.

Speaker 6 (52:10):
You know, you know you killed four people, and to
take one life or four it seems like pretty simple math.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
But these guys described this as.

Speaker 6 (52:17):
A win, even though they don't ask us what a
win looks like.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
So I'm sorry.

Speaker 6 (52:23):
I apologize to my daughter. I let her down, and
it's been a terrible day. It's been terrible.

Speaker 8 (52:30):
He did all he could, though, he did all. You know.

Speaker 19 (52:32):
See, I'll go on the record saying there's been no
stronger advocate for your daughter than you.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
I get it.

Speaker 19 (52:38):
It's been a terrible day, But I really don't want
you going forward thinking you haven't done everything you have done.

Speaker 18 (52:46):
Absolutely feel on this or Kaylee.

Speaker 19 (52:49):
Look, I see the system. I know the system, Shannon.
When you know the system, you're a lawyer, you're you're
in Idaho. I haven't seen an advocate like Steve has
been for his daughter in any case I've covered.

Speaker 24 (53:04):
You know, Steve is He's a rock, right, He's a
rock for the family.

Speaker 8 (53:08):
He's a rock for And these are the parents that,
like they've gotten a lot of criticism, but these are
the parents who get laws changed, like Polyclass's dad, Adam
Walsh's dad who started America's Most Wanted John Walsh. Like
they get laws changed, they don't do nothing.

Speaker 24 (53:27):
This prosecution moving forward and gathering evidence and facts. And
I mean we've had dozens of meetings where we basically
set in and told them what they should be doing,
and them setting down and taking notes about things, but
we all the time just trying to.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
Keep confident in the prosecution.

Speaker 24 (53:49):
And you know, it was it was not what the
victims wanted, It wasn't what the Gonzava's family wanted, and
the way the process was for notifying them, and and
it just puts a bad taste in your mouth about
all of it. And you know, and even talking with
Stephen Christy today, the tone of the judge today was

(54:11):
I think they felt was completely improper, you know, And
so there's a lot of things that you know, you
walk away after two and.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
A half years of just being completely.

Speaker 24 (54:21):
DEMONI is been hassled and trolled and you name it
on the Internet and everybody else. And for it to
end this way, not only the outcome of it, but
also the way that it happened just seems really unfair
and completely uncalled for.

Speaker 19 (54:39):
Steve, You've got a month to prepare a victim's impact statement.

Speaker 22 (54:42):
You can say anything to this court.

Speaker 19 (54:46):
I know you haven't prepared it yet, but do you
have a preview of what you want to say to
this court when you get to stand up, and what
you want to say to Brian Coworker.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
It's kind of proud of my kids today because I
didn't go to the courtroom. And when it was all
said and done, after Hitler tried to.

Speaker 8 (55:02):
Up, stayed outside and Hippler did this scolding message that's
how you started, and his lines.

Speaker 6 (55:10):
Being flooded with phone calls was more pressing than four
dead souls that were killed in their bed. My kids
came out of him and said, they don't think they
ever want to go back to the.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
Court room again. So I don't even think we're actually
going to even do a victim statement.

Speaker 6 (55:26):
There's no coin in it's pointless exercise. I respect that
some family was in my position when you know, years ago,
and they probably felt a lot like how I feel
right now and thought that they.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
Should be able to speak and address the core room
and try to fix the court room. That's probably what
these victim statements were supposed to be. But they're not
that anymore. And we're gees.

Speaker 6 (55:48):
Organsolves is we don't participate in pointless exercise that are
wasting our time. What we do is we speak to
the media, we speak to people like you, We make
change happen from inside out and ask probably why they
get mad at us, and they pushed back.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
At us, and they say that you know we're combative
and this, and that you know what we are. When
somebody says they're one hundred.

Speaker 6 (56:11):
Percent of their daughter and their geep, they're one hundred percent,
and that means some little plea deal that you made
in the back alley isn't good enough.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
It's not good enough. Thank you for walking.

Speaker 8 (56:24):
And I agree with him because what could have been
good enough here? I mean, even if Brian Coburger would
have died like Ethan's parents say, it wouldn't have brought
the kids back. And I don't know how I feel
about this guilty plea. I do wish it would have
gone to trial, and I feel bad saying that is
it's something that some of the families didn't want, but

(56:47):
I think in this case it really would have just
been right, the right thing to do, or they should
have had this plea years ago instead of the waiting.
I know the defense was the one who brought it
to the prosecution, but I don't know if something like
this could have happened sooner. I don't see why it
could have. It's just seems it feels like there's so

(57:09):
many more unanswered questions, and I hope the questions are answered,
just to put the pro burgers and the conspiracy theories
and the idea that he's in witness protection and it
was some drug crime and all these TikTok theories floating around,
because there's so much of that of people deep in
the conspiracy theory with this. So I really don't know

(57:33):
what should have happened. But this doesn't feel like the
right ending. This doesn't feel like the right ending to
this case. So what do you think? What are your
thoughts on this? Let me know. How do you feel
about the guilty plead? Do you think this should have
gone to trial? Are people like me just being too

(57:56):
emotional and thinking that answers were owed? Let me know
your thoughts on it. Thank you so much for listening
to another episode of Broad's next Door. I don't think
this will be the last we're hearing on this case.
We still have a gag order to be lifted. We

(58:18):
have a sentencing hearing, so I will update you all
on that as long as there's still interest the Idaho episodes.
A lot of people have listened. I think it is
a case that deeply affected a lot of people. It's
a horrific crime. There were so many unanswered questions for
such a long time. Hopefully this provided a few more answers,

(58:42):
but I feel like we're still heavy on the questions
and it's just such a heavy subject. If you know
someone that's been following this case, feel free to send
them the link. If you enjoyed this episode, or any
of my episodes, please like, rate review, and leave five stars.
It really really helps me out. I this bummed me out, obviously,

(59:06):
but I love you very much. I'll talk to you
very soon. Take care of yourself, enjoy your weekend. If
you can, tell your friends you love them, I love you.

Speaker 18 (59:18):
Bye.