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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good evening and welcome to the six o'clock News on
Pete Ferriman. First on Fox, a man accused of killing
three women and dumping their bodies throughout the Metro area
is now facing an additional murder charge. We have first
live local team coverage. We begin with Foxwell's Spencer Shott,
who spoke with the mother of the latest victim added
to the list of women. Jesse Calhoun is accused of
(00:23):
killing Spencer.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Yeah, Pete.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Melissa Smith says that she's been waiting for this announcement
for years. Her daughter Kristen Smith was reported missing and
found dead back in twenty twenty two, and Jesse Calhoun
has been a person of interest in this case for years,
but now the DA's office says they have enough evidence
to finally charge him.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Who's out of Los Angeles where police just announced the
parents of a missing seven month old baby boy are
now under arrest. Multiple law enforcement agencies blocking off roads
and surrounding a hall looking through areas of the backyard now.
Seven month old Emmanuel Harrow has been missing since August fourteenth,
(01:09):
Pelissa his parents recently stopped cooperating with this investigation. Investigators
say his mother claims she was attacked as she was
changing his diaper in a store parking lot and heard
someone yelling from behind her before falling to the ground.
She says she lost consciousness. When she woke up, her
baby was gone.
Speaker 5 (01:27):
One of the Menendez brother's fate has been decided after
Los Angeles County Judge Michael Jessic ruled that Eric and
Lyle Menendez would be eligible for parole during their resentencing
in May.
Speaker 6 (01:38):
The Parole Board met August.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
Twenty first to decide if Eric would be released to
parole's supervision. However, after a ten hour hearing, Eric's request
was denied and he'll remain behind bars. For NBC News,
he will be able to pursue parole again in three years.
His brother, Lyle, will appear before a parole board on
August twenty second.
Speaker 7 (01:58):
Hello, neighbors, life, friends, and anyone who has hesitation when
it comes to police investigations. I'm Daniellascrima and this is
Broad's next door. Grab your skepticism and check your Amber
alerts because this week we're doing a little true crime
and trial update. We'll be looking at Portland serial killer
(02:22):
Jesse Calhoun. The disappearance of Baby Harrow and the Lyle
and Eric Menandez per role hearings, all while trying to
gain a broader understanding of what the hell is wrong
with everyone?
Speaker 5 (02:39):
Really?
Speaker 7 (02:39):
What's wrong with everyone?
Speaker 6 (02:42):
Hi? Hello, how is everyone? I hope your week has
been going well.
Speaker 7 (02:49):
Content warning for murder, violence and all the things that
come with a true crime episode, sexual abuse to for
this one, because we're going to talk a little bit
about Eric and Lyle Menendez. Now that that's out of
the way, I hope you're having a pretty good week
all things considered. I know stuff is like still really
(03:12):
messed up right now. I feel like we're not going
to escape that for a while. But I wanted to
do a true crime and trial update now that we're
back back on track recording, So we're going to cover
some things that have been going on lately, some things
that have been lingering for years, and some things that
have been lingering for decades. We are having a brutal
(03:35):
heat wave in Portland, so I'm really nervous about next
week's recordings. I'm just gonna have to suck it up
and record with my air conditioner off because like no
one has central air here and it's going to be
one hundred degrees tomorrow, one hundred degrees today, and then
like in the upper mid nineties for like another four days.
(03:57):
So global warming really really freaking sucks. So while we're
in Portland, let's talk about piece of shit serial killer
Jesse Halhoun. I've covered this case before when these the
murders of these girls were the bodies of these girls
were first found, when they were first murdered, and the
Portland police insisted that the cases were not connected. I
(04:21):
joined a group online, talked to a lot of the
victims' families, and just like them, I was also convinced
that they were connected. Now years later, the police are
admitting that they are connected, and Jesse Calhoun, who's been
in custody, is responsible for all of them. So far,
he's responsible for four, but I have a feeling that
(04:42):
there's going to be even more families.
Speaker 8 (04:45):
For staying by my side the whole way, we searched together,
we fought together, and we never gave up.
Speaker 9 (04:52):
Knew what for a major update in a series of
missing women found dead across the Portland metro area, Prosecutors
now charging Jesse Calhoun with the suspected murder of a
fourth woman. Today, investigators, Hey Calhoun killed Kristin Smith in
November twenty twenty two. Good afternoon, thanks so much for joining.
Speaker 10 (05:10):
Us for king jos guys was Smith's forms were found.
Speaker 6 (05:13):
In the area.
Speaker 10 (05:14):
Of Portland in February twenty twenty three, kat whose Christina
Jarnelli is live now at the courthouse after talking to
the victims family.
Speaker 9 (05:21):
So Christina Calhoun was previously linked to this case as
a person of interest.
Speaker 11 (05:27):
Yeah, devn Today Smith's family talked about how difficult it
was to watch him being indicted for the murders of
three other women. Will still waiting for the evidence in
Smith's case to pan out for potential charges there now.
Detectives and prosecutors are being very tight lipped about any
evidence they do have right now, with Calhoun's trials still
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expected to be over a year out. Kristin Smith's mother,
Melissa Smith, knows the exact number of days she's been
waiting for this moment to come.
Speaker 8 (05:58):
It's been a long agony, eight hundred and ninety eight
days since the day I found out Kristin Smith was deceased.
Been on May seventeenth, twenty twenty four. Last year, the
police made their statement that Jesse Calhoun was being indicted
for the three of the five girls. I can't explain
the agonizing pain I felt that day that Kristin was
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not one of those girls.
Speaker 11 (06:22):
This poor woman, she's really really another family is likely experiencing.
Now Calhoun is associated as a person of interest in
a fifth case. Ashley Rail was also twenty two years
old and was found dead in April of twenty twenty two.
Now coming up at five pm, the message that Smith's
family has for Ral's loved ones as they too wait
(06:44):
for justice for now live in downtown Portland. Christina Jardinette leek.
Speaker 6 (06:48):
Kato, Christina, thank you.
Speaker 9 (06:50):
Now, since this case now spans multiple years, we want
to walk you through the timeline of the alleged killings
and investigation. As Christina mentioned, detectives believe Calhoun killed Smith
in November of twenty two. She was found dead in
February of twenty three. They believe he killed Charity Parry
on March eighth, twenty twenty three, and Joanna speaks ten
days later on March eighteenth. They believe he killed Bridget
(07:13):
Webster on April twenty sixth, twenty twenty three. Authorities arrested
Calhoun on a parole violation in June of twenty three.
In July of that same year, investigators link Calhoun to
four women, Perry Webster, Smith, and a woman named Ashley Reel.
At that time, he was named a person of interest,
and nearly a year later, May of twenty twenty four,
the district attorney said they only had enough evidence to
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link Calhoun two to three women, Perry, Webster and Speaks.
Ashley Reel was found dead in May of twenty three
in the Eagle Creek area Blackmst County. She was last
seen at a fast food restaurant in Southeast Division in
late March of twenty twenty three. Detectives have determined her
death is suspicious in nature, but at this time Calhoun
has not been charged in her death.
Speaker 10 (07:54):
As we mentioned, Calhoun was he dieted in May twenty
four on charges of.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Her abusive corpse.
Speaker 10 (08:00):
I pleaded not guilty the following month. Now today, as
Christina reported, he's been charged for the death of Kristen Smith.
He's said to go to trial in early twenty twenty seven.
Coming up tonight on k Thin Who's a five and
even more in depth look at Calhoun's past, including the
years he's accused of killing the four women we are.
Speaker 6 (08:16):
Continued early twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 7 (08:19):
I mean, that's insane to make those people wait that long.
That's seriously, seriously insane to make the families wait that
long for murders that were committed in twenty twenty three,
and then they don't catch him until May of twenty
twenty four, after saying for months, for months that the
missing women are not connected, and then saying, well, the
(08:40):
way their bodies are found on the side of a site,
all found on the side of the road, that that's
not connected, and then the way they end up getting
him is not even for.
Speaker 6 (08:49):
This but for a parole violation.
Speaker 7 (08:51):
Just very disappointing police work and also not putting out
like be careful, there's a serial killer out there, when
we all knew that there was a serial killer out there,
and he had a violent past too, and he was
very sloppy with these crimes. It's not like this guy
was some mastermind. This is a clip from News Nation.
Speaker 12 (09:13):
I am joined right now by doctor Katherine ramslan renowned
forensic psychologist author of several books, including The Serial Killers.
Speaker 7 (09:20):
Approach, little psychology about how his crimes escalated, and he
became more talk about the reason.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Than you doctor.
Speaker 12 (09:27):
So Jesse Lee Calhoun, he was free for what just
over a year? When police say he decided to kill?
Does that timeline talking timelines? Does that timeline make sense
to you?
Speaker 13 (09:39):
But we don't know if you might have some earlier
in his life. I think he's around forty, so I
don't know if.
Speaker 6 (09:45):
I'm doing it.
Speaker 13 (09:45):
He was, he was other time.
Speaker 6 (09:48):
I'm forty.
Speaker 13 (09:50):
Until we know more about some of his background, it
would be very difficult to answer that question.
Speaker 12 (09:57):
Totally fair, totally fair, and that may come out on
the road if again, he is the person who did.
Speaker 14 (10:02):
This, But what about this?
Speaker 2 (10:03):
At the pace right? The allegations he take miss true?
Speaker 12 (10:06):
Three women in fifty days, the first two were only
ten days apart.
Speaker 6 (10:11):
Insane, that's disgusting. Well, it's a psycho passion and.
Speaker 13 (10:16):
Feeling that he's probably invincible. They're not going to figure
it out. They were within one hundred mile radius, so
he's dumping them in wilderness areas, abandoned.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
Property, and the police.
Speaker 7 (10:31):
By repeating that these crimes weren't related.
Speaker 6 (10:34):
He's won, in my opinion, more.
Speaker 13 (10:36):
Than he was psycho, he may be developing a sort
of addiction to it.
Speaker 12 (10:42):
I mean police initially denied any connection.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
What do you think that was about? Was that just
the tamp down.
Speaker 12 (10:49):
Rumors to really focus in on the investigation, because at
the end of the day, what are we talking about.
He's a guy who's connected to the killings of multiple women.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
What do you think was going on there?
Speaker 13 (10:59):
Well, I think it's very hard to deal with when
social media takes up these rumors and then people want
to start looking on their own. They want to be
amateur detectives, so they come in to investigation.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
They can miss some things up.
Speaker 7 (11:12):
And touching him faster than yours.
Speaker 13 (11:16):
You know, if there's a serial killer out there is any.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
Or people should have been a person.
Speaker 13 (11:22):
Of victims, So they want to try to delay the
anxiety that will come up when they really don't have
any answers. But I think also that there's the pressure
from social media and the speculations, and sometimes people who
want to get involved can can have some pretty significant
impact on an investigation, both good and bed, both good
(11:45):
and bed.
Speaker 6 (11:45):
Sometimes both good and bad.
Speaker 7 (11:47):
Well, I will tell you from the group that I
was in, he was in a suspect. He was a
suspect with us before the police did shit. So I
don't think blaming social media is fair. When social media
gets stuff done faster than the police themselves, that just
doesn't doesn't fly for me. I'm sorry, I'm yelling right now,
but it's just people figured they had their kids sell records,
(12:11):
they figured out where they were last seen, that his
name was floating around before he was arrested on a
parole violation. So I just don't blaming social media for
police incompetence just really doesn't fly with me. Let's move
on to another heartbreaking case, which is little missing baby
(12:33):
Emmanuel Harrow. So his mom said he was stolen from
her in a parking lot. The parents were arrested today
on charges August twenty second, So let's get a little
overview of that case.
Speaker 8 (12:50):
Pretty where is baby Amani.
Speaker 15 (12:52):
It's been nearly forty eight hours since anyone has seen
this seven month old who was reported missing by his
mother in San Bernardino count and tonight, investigators saying.
Speaker 16 (13:01):
They cannot rule out foul play.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
In his disappearance.
Speaker 6 (13:06):
This is a k TLEE five news at six thirty.
I'm cree Winch and Hi there.
Speaker 17 (13:09):
I'm Courtney Frail in tonight for Rick Chambers. The boy's
mother says she was attacked Thursday in the parking lot
of a Big five in u Kaipa and that the
attacker took off with her baby.
Speaker 11 (13:20):
And now deputies say there are inconsistencies with her account
of what happened. Ka Tayley Sarah Walch is live and
Ukuipa with the latest.
Speaker 6 (13:28):
Sarah, what can you tell us?
Speaker 18 (13:32):
Curran Corport evening And as you said, that's why investigators
now say they cannot rule out foul play in this case.
This as the baby's parents went public at this Big
Five yesterday pleading for their son's safe return.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
A baby, just give her some.
Speaker 18 (13:52):
Jacob and Rebecca Harrow told media that someone kidnapped baby
Emmanuel from the Big five parking lot in Ukuipa. Rebecca
Harrow says she came here with the baby Thursday evening
to buy a mouthguard for her step son, and before
she went in the store, she claims she began changing
her baby's diaper in the vehicle when someone came up
behind her. She said, oh lah and then knocked her
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out cold, and she said when she came to she
said her baby was gone. She also said she could
not provide a description of who hit her. There are
no obvious cameras here in front of the store pointing
toward the parking space she was in, and investigators yesterday
said they had no suspect or vehicle description of anyone
driving away.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
With the baby.
Speaker 18 (14:32):
We spoke with the baby's grandmother last night. She told
us the couple would never hurt their child, that her
daughter has been this.
Speaker 7 (14:39):
Baby looks like it had he had shaken baby syndrome.
This I'm sorry, but like there's these people. We'll get into.
Speaker 6 (14:46):
The other abuse in a minute, but never hurt their child.
Speaker 18 (14:49):
My ass trying for years to have her own baby.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Boy, they're not gonna hurt that baby.
Speaker 13 (14:55):
Those that couple were just homes.
Speaker 19 (14:59):
Being without her baby since yesterday afternoon.
Speaker 6 (15:01):
If you have my grandson, please give it to his mom.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
She's going crazy. Please have mercy on her.
Speaker 18 (15:08):
She also told us that her daughter and son in
law were questioned by investigators yesterday at least twice, and
she said the couple were shown a video during that
questioning and that video upset her daughter. We asked the
grandmother what that video was and she just told us
that she didn't know. Investigators say after interviewing Rebecca Harrow,
she was confronted with inconsistencies in her initial statement and
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then declined. Investigators say to continue with the interview.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Now.
Speaker 18 (15:35):
We did reach out to San Bernardino County investigators for
clarification on this at this point, they tell us they
put out a simple statement and said they are not
taking any further questions today.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
This as the.
Speaker 18 (15:48):
Search for baby Emmanuel continues. The investigators asking.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Of a desperate search.
Speaker 16 (15:56):
For seven month old baby boy named Emmanuel Harrow and
then details that we've just learned about the baby's father
and his criminal passed absolutely hair raising. The number of
children that had been moved out of the Harrow home
into the custody of others is nothing short of alarming.
Let me take you back for a moment. Baby Emmanuel
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was reported missing last Thursday. His mother, Rebecca Harrow, claimed
that a stranger approached her from behind, said oh la,
and then knocked her unconscious. She says when she woke up,
baby Emmanuel was gone right there in the parking lot.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Gone.
Speaker 16 (16:34):
But according to investigators, Rebecca's story.
Speaker 6 (16:37):
Didn't speak black eye. I mean it's a real black eye,
but there's no way she got it.
Speaker 16 (16:41):
And and her husband have stopped cooperating with the police.
The authorities say. To be clear, there have been no
charges filed against Jake or Rebecca Harrow and Jake's attorney.
Speaker 6 (16:55):
Until until today.
Speaker 7 (16:58):
This is Za Vinty Polton for Courts TV and this
has just happened within the last hour.
Speaker 20 (17:04):
Breaking news in the Ola mom and dad case of
missing baby Emmanuel. Mom and dad have been arrested. Mom
and dad have been taken into custody. Official word just
coming down moments ago from the San Bernardino Sheriff's Office.
(17:25):
Rebecca and Jakes Harrow right now, the parents of this
seven month old have been taken into custody and are
now under arrest. There is a huge presence at the home.
The search is taking place. I presume more evidence is
being gathered. The status of where is a baby Emmanuel
still working on that. But this is the big breaking
(17:48):
news this morning coming to us out of California, that
Ola mom and dad, Jake and Rebecca Harrow, the parents
of little baby Emmanuel. Under as I'm Vinnie Politan, lead
anchor for Court TV along with Al Lunch the third,
a lot of Agenie says, and the radio Legend shows
(18:12):
greetings from Asbury Park, New Jersey. And this is a
special early breaking news edition of what we do each
and every week here on my channel, which is called
The One Moment. Please can you tell I am shuffling
right now? Can you tell that I am shuffling? Because
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this is breaking. Everything's happening very quickly here.
Speaker 7 (18:35):
So we know the parents were taken into custody. I
feel like Vinnie doesn't have much more information.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
Than I do.
Speaker 7 (18:42):
I think that it was obvious to investigators that the
parents were involved. The mom's story was Barry Susan Smith,
a woman in nineteen ninety four who had her two
little boys in the car, strapped into car seats and
then said that a black man hijack to the car,
and really she drove her kids into a freaking lake
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because she her boyfriend, her work boyfriend she was having
an affair with, said he didn't want children, and she
went on TV she cried. She cried the same way.
This is Susan Smith's statement in nineteen ninety.
Speaker 21 (19:19):
Four, based on what happened last night? Do you know
anything better about it now than you did?
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Last night.
Speaker 22 (19:27):
No, they I mean they've got it. People way everywhere
looking for him. I mean, you know, you can hear
the helicopters there, but they haven't seen anything. And it's
just it's crazy. And this man since nine o'clock last night,
you know. And I really thought that when it got
daylight they would find them, just in the Harvey.
Speaker 21 (19:49):
But was there anything about the demeanor of the man
that gives you concern you No.
Speaker 22 (19:57):
In fact, when he made me get out of the car,
you know, I tried to get my children. I was
bathing and place let me take them, and he said no,
we didn't have time because they weren't in car seats
and it was gonna take time for me to get
my own car seat. And they just told me, he said,
but I won't hurt them, and he just took call.
But he had a gun, and.
Speaker 6 (20:14):
Then my my big was denied as well.
Speaker 22 (20:21):
I'm just scared that he just lost his patience or something.
Speaker 6 (20:24):
You know, or something.
Speaker 8 (20:26):
You know.
Speaker 22 (20:28):
All I'm doing is just praying and just even my
faith that they're gonna be okay.
Speaker 7 (20:32):
They always have this crying without out care thing, which
just from a mother just and he just came out
of the book during I covered her during the care
and then the episode episode Who Killed Her Kids?
Speaker 6 (20:45):
And it was just like this.
Speaker 22 (20:47):
In a second, he was in my car, it just
having a car on and I just screamed.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
I said, what are you doing?
Speaker 22 (20:51):
He's just shut up driving. He had a gun and
it was poking it in my side, you know, told
me to drive, and so I drove, and I was
trying to ask some one time, you know.
Speaker 7 (21:02):
I would let someone shoot me to protect my freaking dog.
So just hearing that she just got out of the
car so nonchalantly, I mean, it's just And there were
a lot of similarities with this and Emmanuel Harrow's mother.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Parents may be lying.
Speaker 6 (21:18):
I got him out of the car SI.
Speaker 7 (21:22):
And he let him down and stuck gat his zippers
ready and somebody said hold one.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
That's all.
Speaker 14 (21:27):
I remember this video per k ABC of his mom
speaking to television cameras after she claimed she was attacked.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
And her son was abducted.
Speaker 14 (21:37):
Here's what the baby's dad said, looking straight into the.
Speaker 23 (21:40):
Camera, whoever took our son, please give him back.
Speaker 14 (21:47):
But now law enforcement in southern California say they can't
roll out foul play and they were having a hard
time trusting what these two parents are saying now that
the seven month old child is still missing.
Speaker 7 (21:57):
And mom and dad and he is missing. Hopefully, I
mean I right now do believe the parents were involved,
especially with their history of child abuse. Hopefully a confession
will come from this and they'll say where their child,
their child is.
Speaker 6 (22:16):
I will keep you updated.
Speaker 7 (22:20):
So Susan Smith nineteen ninety four denied Pearl. And we
have another infamous case, which is that of the Menendez brothers,
Lyle and Eric, who shot their parents in their California
mansion and both received life in prison. They made the
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nine to one one call that their parents had been shot.
Speaker 24 (22:53):
What's the problem, what's the problem, what's the problem? A hard.
Speaker 15 (23:03):
Walk through.
Speaker 24 (23:05):
I didn't care people an up.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Right, I worried not.
Speaker 7 (23:13):
Missus Yle in the phone when they found the police
would already d in the house.
Speaker 6 (23:23):
And the defense in the pace day argued, and.
Speaker 7 (23:27):
So they were severely secularised by their father.
Speaker 9 (23:30):
And their mother children.
Speaker 25 (23:34):
At the time, the childism, it.
Speaker 24 (23:35):
Wasn't in too sipation.
Speaker 14 (23:37):
What happened?
Speaker 24 (23:40):
Do you happened?
Speaker 7 (23:43):
Bo?
Speaker 24 (23:45):
And not the rely all by doing for people who didn't.
Speaker 16 (23:57):
Go away home.
Speaker 24 (24:01):
Let me talk to Eric. The first was god, hold
on a credit.
Speaker 7 (24:16):
And the nine one one call also really ended up
hurting them in trial because they're so hysterical in it.
I don't know how much of that was sincere. But
then afterward, when one of them told their psychiatrist psychologist
that they were the ones who committed the crime, I
believe it was I believe it was Eric who told
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This is from March of nineteen ninety, so thirty five
years ago. Over thirty five years ago news clip.
Speaker 26 (24:46):
Not many Hollywood murder mysteries, ever, took a more dramatic
turn than police are describing. In a couple of savage
Beverly Hills killings, the victims were a man and his wife.
He helped finance such movie. It says Rambo First Blood
Part two and read eight. The alleged killers are well
at Jerry Bowen tell you about it.
Speaker 19 (25:05):
It had all the signs.
Speaker 10 (25:06):
Of a mafia hit.
Speaker 21 (25:07):
When Beverly Hills.
Speaker 19 (25:08):
Police were called to the Menindez mentioned that cool night
last summer.
Speaker 21 (25:12):
I've been in this business for over thirty three years,
and I've heard very few murders that were more savage
than this.
Speaker 19 (25:19):
One was no signs of a break in or a burglary,
only the bodies of entertainment executive Jose Menendez and his
wife Kitty in the family TV room, torn by shotgun
blast that one of the neighbor kids heard. Their college
aged sons, nineteen year old Eric and twenty two year
old Lyle, said they found the bodies after a night
(25:40):
at the movies, But new evidence, ranging from records of
the family psychologists to a movie script about a rich
kid who kills his parents now indicates the brothers did it.
Speaker 7 (25:52):
We'll get tonight, find it all together, and just recently
that glue was coming out, and I feel that we
have a very tight case.
Speaker 19 (25:58):
Indeed, this arrested Lyle at the family mansion yesterday. Younger
brother Eric's reportedly returning from an overseas trip to surrender
and like the script Eric once wrote and his mother
typed for him. Police say the motive was apparently money,
a fourteen million dollar inheritance to be shared by the brothers,
and he raised computer record about a will suggests the
(26:19):
father was about to make a change a mob hit
over some shady movie deal. Say Police's pure fantasy, but
it's all the boy's grandmother wants to believe Indy mafia.
Speaker 26 (26:30):
This is too much money.
Speaker 24 (26:31):
I see I thing.
Speaker 26 (26:33):
This is my obinion.
Speaker 19 (26:34):
Both brothers may be arraigned on charges as early as Monday.
Jerry Bowen, CBS News, Beverly Hills.
Speaker 25 (26:42):
In Los Angeles, jurors are hearing tales of sexual abuse, greed,
and cold blooded murder and the trial of two brothers
charged with killing their parents. In opening statements yesterday, lawyers
for the two Menendez brothers claimed they shot their parents
in nineteen eighty nine after years of abuse, but prosecuted
say the real motive was money and estimated fourteen million
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dollar inheritance.
Speaker 27 (27:05):
There's been a major development tonight at the trial of
one of the two Menendez brothers charged with murdering their
wealthy parents. Correspondent Sandra Hughes is live in Los Angeles
with the details. Sandra Well Connie.
Speaker 15 (27:17):
The jurors is ciding the fate of Eric Menendez have deadlocked.
They are hung on the most serious charge of first
degree murder and lesser charges against him. The judge has
called a mistrial. This does not mean that Eric Menendez
will be set free. It is unlikely the judge will
let him out of jail because the district attorney has
said Eric Menendez will be tried again. Twenty three year
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old Eric and his older brother Lyle are accused of
shooting and killing their millionaire parents, Jose and Kitty Menendez,
as they watched TV in their Beverly Hills mansion. The
brothers admitted the killings, but said they acted out of fear.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Dad said he would kill me if I ever told anyone,
and he was serious.
Speaker 15 (27:56):
The secret the brothers said they were going to reveal
was that Jose had sexually molested both Eric and Lyle
for years.
Speaker 26 (28:05):
It didn't really want me and I couldn't stop that,
and I wanted to, but I couldn't.
Speaker 14 (28:09):
I don't know why.
Speaker 15 (28:10):
But prosecutors said the brothers killed out of hate and greed.
Speaker 13 (28:14):
And do you really think the child abuse justifies murder?
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Eric's attorney had trunk.
Speaker 7 (28:20):
And that is the question, does child abuse justify murder?
I mean, I can't answer that. I just really I
really can't. I it's hard for me with the Menendez brothers,
not that I don't have empathy for them. What their
parents did was horrible. It's really hard for me that
they shot their mother in the face. And it's also
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hard for me that they had so many resources available
to them and still committed this crime with the amount
of wealth and connection that they had. That being said,
they were very young and very traumatized, and I think
prison should be about rehabilitation instead of just punishment. So
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I honestly believed that they were both going to get paroled.
As of the time I recording this, Lyle's parole hearing
is in progress.
Speaker 6 (29:14):
Eric's was yesterday.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
He was in front of a parole.
Speaker 13 (29:17):
Bar in California.
Speaker 28 (29:18):
Eric Menendez was denied parole and Matt Guttman is joining
us from San Diego.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Matt, what's the latest. How did they come to this decision?
Speaker 23 (29:28):
They had to pour through a voluminous amount of case file,
thousands of pages juju. That's even before today's marathon nine
actually ten hour session lasted, and it was just a
short time ago that the parole board finished explaining why
it came to this decision. So let me break that
down very briefly. Basically, it was a three year denial,
which means that that Eric Menendez can't appear before a
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parole board again within three years, but it'll probably be
sooner than that. Closer to eighteen months. Here's why they
came to this decision, despite the fact that Eric had
an almost unblemished record in prison, exemplarate conduct in prison, especially.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Over the past twenty years.
Speaker 23 (30:06):
They talked about his pre murder burglaries back in the
late eighties before the nineteen eighty nine murders.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
He did it twice.
Speaker 23 (30:13):
They also talked about his multiple cell phone violation in
fractions that Eric had smuggled had had cell phone smuggled
into the prison. He paid one thousand dollars for one,
he apparently took another from a prison guard, bought one
from a prison guard, and that, according to the parole Board,
showed a certain.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Level of criminality.
Speaker 23 (30:33):
And finally, it was the shotgunning of.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Kitty Menendez, Eric and Lyle's mother.
Speaker 23 (30:38):
That is something that the parole Board simply could not
get beyond.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Nick.
Speaker 6 (30:43):
It is just hard.
Speaker 7 (30:44):
Like I know, I did a Luigi episode yesterday on
If Bad People Die, and Kitty was complicit in their abuse.
But there's something when you're trying to process somebody doing
that to their own mother. Did I say Luis Menendez
instead of MANGIONI.
Speaker 6 (31:04):
There's something hard.
Speaker 7 (31:05):
To process about somebody doing that to their own mother,
where it just seems so much more violent to shoot
your mother in the face in close range.
Speaker 23 (31:18):
Basically said she didn't have to die, and asked Eric
point blank, why did you shoot her? Eric said, I
thought that she was complicit, she had betrayed us, and
I wished to this day that I hadn't done it.
So a stunning, a crushing defeat really for the Menenda's
brothers after they felt that they had come so close,
after being recent in just a couple of months ago,
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from life without the possibility of parole, to fifty years
to life opening the possibility for parole, which again denied
pretty vehemently from this parole board today.
Speaker 28 (31:49):
Juju, and yet, Matt, you've reported extensively on the different
avenues of appeal that the Menanda's brothers have taken to
the legal system. There is the matter of the clemency
appeal with the governor. What are the other options available
to them?
Speaker 2 (32:03):
At this point this was.
Speaker 23 (32:06):
The primary appeal right it was through resentencing.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
There is also clemency.
Speaker 23 (32:11):
The Governor, Gavin Newsom could decide at any points at
his discretion that he believes that the Menendez brothers have
served their time and should be released, recommending their parole.
There's also a habeas petition, which is essentially saying that
new information has come to light that the court needs
to see the new da in Los Angeles, Nathan Hoffman
has basically shut the haavieists down. That is not a
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very likely path right now, and it's extremely unlikely that
Governor Newsom is going to grant the brothers clemency after
a parole board so roundly declined and denied their attempt
at parole, this time pretty much excoriating the brother. Eric
Menendez's conduct in prison is specifically his burglaries and the
murder of his mother.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
There were some glowing statements.
Speaker 23 (32:56):
He did mention that the hospice work and Eric's conduct
and creation of various programs, including a green space program
in that prison behind me, was something that was commendable,
but he found overall that this is not a person
who is fit to be released. And again the primary
standard here is whether Eric poses an unreasonable risk to
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society if released, And of course tomorrow Lyle Menendez will
be up. He doesn't have as many blemishes on his record,
but he also doesn't have as an outstanding a record
in prisoness in prison as a model.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Prisoner, as Eric did. So that's up in the air
as well.
Speaker 23 (33:35):
And again, you know, Jiji, we're more than ten hours
into this process today, Matt.
Speaker 6 (33:39):
That was from ABC News.
Speaker 7 (33:41):
Like I said, we are in the middle of Lyle's
hearing right now, not even the middle, just a few hours,
and so that could go all day as well. Maybe
his outcome will be different because he didn't have the
same kind of violations as Eric did. I have a
feeling if Eric's case went that way, that Lyle's will
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as well. What do you think about the menandaz brothers.
It's complicated for me. I do think that they should
be allowed parole though eventually, if not, if not now,
And even though that the their violence is very hard
for me to deal with, I think that there was
a large, a large amount of trauma there and I
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don't think that they were motivated just by an inheritance
to commit this crime. I think that they were traumatized,
and when you're traumatized, you don't really think things through
as clearly, and Eric clearly had guilty told his therapist
what happened. The therapist, I believe told his wife or
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partner and she's the one who told the police or.
Speaker 6 (34:55):
The therapist did.
Speaker 7 (34:56):
But that's how it got out, So there was a
heavy con happening there. I'm surprised. I'm surprised he didn't
get parole or like a set date. I'm not exactly
how sure it works, sure of how it works, but
let me know your thoughts on them and baby Harrow.
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Do you think the parents did it? Portland serial killer?
Do you think the police should have told us, like, yes,
obviously there's a serial killer. If you are a woman
by yourself, be on the lookout because because I really do.
After you have like seven bodies across the state dumped
in the same way and everyone is spreading serial killer rumors,
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can you really just be like, oh, no, stop being
armchair detectives, We've got this, and then years later be like, oh, whoops, yeah,
the guy was a guy was a psychopathic murderer. I
just really feel like they they messed that up. I
never understand and the whole not wanting to cause the
public to panic. Sometimes we should panic and prepare on
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how to defend ourselves and to know, like to be
on the lookout for things instead of just having it
buried under the rug under the guise of it not
causing hysteria. So that's also just very hard for me
to understand because I think a lot of those deaths
could have been prevented. But let me know your thoughts.
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Thank you for sticking with me this week. I don't
know what's coming out next week. I'm recording with Kristen.
I'm recording some stuff for the log Lady film. I
know Catherine the log Lady, So I'll have a creative
sobriety episode out about witchcraft and herbs and staying sober,
(36:54):
and then also some Twin Peaks adjacent content at some
point next week. And then I think I'm gonna do
also my Nina Simone episode, which I have a lot
of editing to do on, but I.
Speaker 6 (37:07):
Started recording the bulk of that already.
Speaker 7 (37:10):
Have an episode on a main character syndrome, have an
episode on Botox, have a lot of stuff that's like
halfway done. But this heat, these heat waves we're getting
are really messing me up because I just have like
an air conditioner unit, and if I have to turn
that off, then it's so hot and so hard to
record because there's just not central air here. So when
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we have these hundred degree days like day after day
after day, it makes it really hard to even think straight. Honestly,
I hope no one loses their life and their heat
these heat waves, because we had a really bad one
in twenty twenty one and over one hundred people died
in Moltnoma County from the heat waves, mainly like disabled
(37:54):
and elderly people. Because our homes are built like to
keep the hot air like in the winter. It never
used to get this hot. I mean I remember whole
summers where it barely got above.
Speaker 6 (38:06):
Like eighty degrees.
Speaker 7 (38:08):
So to have these one hundred degree days day after day,
it's just brutal. I hope you're staying cool where you are,
and I will talk to you soon.
Speaker 6 (38:19):
Bye.
Speaker 7 (38:21):
Thank you so much for listening to another episode of
Broad's next Door. I had such a great week with
you doing five episodes. We had the Osborns, We had
Kristen from Creative Sobriety and I talking about turning forty
and how awesome forty is.
Speaker 6 (38:37):
Then we had what was.
Speaker 7 (38:39):
Wednesday, oh, the Miami Alien Mall incident, and then yesterday
we had Luke Goebel talking about his book kill Dick
and also talking about healthcare and Luigi Mangioni.
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And today we did back to trial and.
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Goodbye,
Good evening and welcome to the six o'clock News on
Pete Ferriman. First on Fox, a man accused of killing
three women and dumping their bodies throughout the Metro area
is now facing an additional murder charge. We have first
live local team coverage. We begin with Foxwell's Spencer Shott,
who spoke with the mother of the latest victim added
to the list of women. Jesse Calhoun is accused of
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killing Spencer.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Yeah, Pete.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Melissa Smith says that she's been waiting for this announcement
for years. Her daughter Kristen Smith was reported missing and
found dead back in twenty twenty two, and Jesse Calhoun
has been a person of interest in this case for years,
but now the DA's office says they have enough evidence
to finally charge him.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Who's out of Los Angeles where police just announced the
parents of a missing seven month old baby boy are
now under arrest. Multiple law enforcement agencies blocking off roads
and surrounding a hall looking through areas of the backyard now.
Seven month old Emmanuel Harrow has been missing since August fourteenth,
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Pelissa his parents recently stopped cooperating with this investigation. Investigators
say his mother claims she was attacked as she was
changing his diaper in a store parking lot and heard
someone yelling from behind her before falling to the ground.
She says she lost consciousness. When she woke up, her
baby was gone.
Speaker 5 (01:27):
One of the Menendez brother's fate has been decided after
Los Angeles County Judge Michael Jessic ruled that Eric and
Lyle Menendez would be eligible for parole during their resentencing
in May.
Speaker 6 (01:38):
The Parole Board met August.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
Twenty first to decide if Eric would be released to
parole's supervision. However, after a ten hour hearing, Eric's request
was denied and he'll remain behind bars. For NBC News,
he will be able to pursue parole again in three years.
His brother, Lyle, will appear before a parole board on
August twenty second.
Speaker 7 (01:58):
Hello, neighbors, life, friends, and anyone who has hesitation when
it comes to police investigations. I'm Daniellascrima and this is
Broad's next door. Grab your skepticism and check your Amber
alerts because this week we're doing a little true crime
and trial update. We'll be looking at Portland serial killer
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Jesse Calhoun. The disappearance of Baby Harrow and the Lyle
and Eric Menandez per role hearings, all while trying to
gain a broader understanding of what the hell is wrong
with everyone?
Speaker 5 (02:39):
Really?
Speaker 7 (02:39):
What's wrong with everyone?
Speaker 6 (02:42):
Hi? Hello, how is everyone? I hope your week has
been going well.
Speaker 7 (02:49):
Content warning for murder, violence and all the things that
come with a true crime episode, sexual abuse to for
this one, because we're going to talk a little bit
about Eric and Lyle Menendez. Now that that's out of
the way, I hope you're having a pretty good week
all things considered. I know stuff is like still really
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messed up right now. I feel like we're not going
to escape that for a while. But I wanted to
do a true crime and trial update now that we're
back back on track recording, So we're going to cover
some things that have been going on lately, some things
that have been lingering for years, and some things that
have been lingering for decades. We are having a brutal
(03:35):
heat wave in Portland, so I'm really nervous about next
week's recordings. I'm just gonna have to suck it up
and record with my air conditioner off because like no
one has central air here and it's going to be
one hundred degrees tomorrow, one hundred degrees today, and then
like in the upper mid nineties for like another four days.
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So global warming really really freaking sucks. So while we're
in Portland, let's talk about piece of shit serial killer
Jesse Halhoun. I've covered this case before when these the
murders of these girls were the bodies of these girls
were first found, when they were first murdered, and the
Portland police insisted that the cases were not connected. I
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joined a group online, talked to a lot of the
victims' families, and just like them, I was also convinced
that they were connected. Now years later, the police are
admitting that they are connected, and Jesse Calhoun, who's been
in custody, is responsible for all of them. So far,
he's responsible for four, but I have a feeling that
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there's going to be even more families.
Speaker 8 (04:45):
For staying by my side the whole way, we searched together,
we fought together, and we never gave up.
Speaker 9 (04:52):
Knew what for a major update in a series of
missing women found dead across the Portland metro area, Prosecutors
now charging Jesse Calhoun with the suspected murder of a
fourth woman. Today, investigators, Hey Calhoun killed Kristin Smith in
November twenty twenty two. Good afternoon, thanks so much for joining.
Speaker 10 (05:10):
Us for king jos guys was Smith's forms were found.
Speaker 6 (05:13):
In the area.
Speaker 10 (05:14):
Of Portland in February twenty twenty three, kat whose Christina
Jarnelli is live now at the courthouse after talking to
the victims family.
Speaker 9 (05:21):
So Christina Calhoun was previously linked to this case as
a person of interest.
Speaker 11 (05:27):
Yeah, devn Today Smith's family talked about how difficult it
was to watch him being indicted for the murders of
three other women. Will still waiting for the evidence in
Smith's case to pan out for potential charges there now.
Detectives and prosecutors are being very tight lipped about any
evidence they do have right now, with Calhoun's trials still
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expected to be over a year out. Kristin Smith's mother,
Melissa Smith, knows the exact number of days she's been
waiting for this moment to come.
Speaker 8 (05:58):
It's been a long agony, eight hundred and ninety eight
days since the day I found out Kristin Smith was deceased.
Been on May seventeenth, twenty twenty four. Last year, the
police made their statement that Jesse Calhoun was being indicted
for the three of the five girls. I can't explain
the agonizing pain I felt that day that Kristin was
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not one of those girls.
Speaker 11 (06:22):
This poor woman, she's really really another family is likely experiencing.
Now Calhoun is associated as a person of interest in
a fifth case. Ashley Rail was also twenty two years
old and was found dead in April of twenty twenty two.
Now coming up at five pm, the message that Smith's
family has for Ral's loved ones as they too wait
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for justice for now live in downtown Portland. Christina Jardinette leek.
Speaker 6 (06:48):
Kato, Christina, thank you.
Speaker 9 (06:50):
Now, since this case now spans multiple years, we want
to walk you through the timeline of the alleged killings
and investigation. As Christina mentioned, detectives believe Calhoun killed Smith
in November of twenty two. She was found dead in
February of twenty three. They believe he killed Charity Parry
on March eighth, twenty twenty three, and Joanna speaks ten
days later on March eighteenth. They believe he killed Bridget
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Webster on April twenty sixth, twenty twenty three. Authorities arrested
Calhoun on a parole violation in June of twenty three.
In July of that same year, investigators link Calhoun to
four women, Perry Webster, Smith, and a woman named Ashley Reel.
At that time, he was named a person of interest,
and nearly a year later, May of twenty twenty four,
the district attorney said they only had enough evidence to
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link Calhoun two to three women, Perry, Webster and Speaks.
Ashley Reel was found dead in May of twenty three
in the Eagle Creek area Blackmst County. She was last
seen at a fast food restaurant in Southeast Division in
late March of twenty twenty three. Detectives have determined her
death is suspicious in nature, but at this time Calhoun
has not been charged in her death.
Speaker 10 (07:54):
As we mentioned, Calhoun was he dieted in May twenty
four on charges of.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Her abusive corpse.
Speaker 10 (08:00):
I pleaded not guilty the following month. Now today, as
Christina reported, he's been charged for the death of Kristen Smith.
He's said to go to trial in early twenty twenty seven.
Coming up tonight on k Thin Who's a five and
even more in depth look at Calhoun's past, including the
years he's accused of killing the four women we are.
Speaker 6 (08:16):
Continued early twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 7 (08:19):
I mean, that's insane to make those people wait that long.
That's seriously, seriously insane to make the families wait that
long for murders that were committed in twenty twenty three,
and then they don't catch him until May of twenty
twenty four, after saying for months, for months that the
missing women are not connected, and then saying, well, the
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way their bodies are found on the side of a site,
all found on the side of the road, that that's
not connected, and then the way they end up getting
him is not even for.
Speaker 6 (08:49):
This but for a parole violation.
Speaker 7 (08:51):
Just very disappointing police work and also not putting out
like be careful, there's a serial killer out there, when
we all knew that there was a serial killer out there,
and he had a violent past too, and he was
very sloppy with these crimes. It's not like this guy
was some mastermind. This is a clip from News Nation.
Speaker 12 (09:13):
I am joined right now by doctor Katherine ramslan renowned
forensic psychologist author of several books, including The Serial Killers.
Speaker 7 (09:20):
Approach, little psychology about how his crimes escalated, and he
became more talk about the reason.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Than you doctor.
Speaker 12 (09:27):
So Jesse Lee Calhoun, he was free for what just
over a year? When police say he decided to kill?
Does that timeline talking timelines? Does that timeline make sense
to you?
Speaker 13 (09:39):
But we don't know if you might have some earlier
in his life. I think he's around forty, so I
don't know if.
Speaker 6 (09:45):
I'm doing it.
Speaker 13 (09:45):
He was, he was other time.
Speaker 6 (09:48):
I'm forty.
Speaker 13 (09:50):
Until we know more about some of his background, it
would be very difficult to answer that question.
Speaker 12 (09:57):
Totally fair, totally fair, and that may come out on
the road if again, he is the person who did.
Speaker 14 (10:02):
This, But what about this?
Speaker 2 (10:03):
At the pace right? The allegations he take miss true?
Speaker 12 (10:06):
Three women in fifty days, the first two were only
ten days apart.
Speaker 6 (10:11):
Insane, that's disgusting. Well, it's a psycho passion and.
Speaker 13 (10:16):
Feeling that he's probably invincible. They're not going to figure
it out. They were within one hundred mile radius, so
he's dumping them in wilderness areas, abandoned.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
Property, and the police.
Speaker 7 (10:31):
By repeating that these crimes weren't related.
Speaker 6 (10:34):
He's won, in my opinion, more.
Speaker 13 (10:36):
Than he was psycho, he may be developing a sort
of addiction to it.
Speaker 12 (10:42):
I mean police initially denied any connection.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
What do you think that was about? Was that just
the tamp down.
Speaker 12 (10:49):
Rumors to really focus in on the investigation, because at
the end of the day, what are we talking about.
He's a guy who's connected to the killings of multiple women.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
What do you think was going on there?
Speaker 13 (10:59):
Well, I think it's very hard to deal with when
social media takes up these rumors and then people want
to start looking on their own. They want to be
amateur detectives, so they come in to investigation.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
They can miss some things up.
Speaker 7 (11:12):
And touching him faster than yours.
Speaker 13 (11:16):
You know, if there's a serial killer out there is any.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
Or people should have been a person.
Speaker 13 (11:22):
Of victims, So they want to try to delay the
anxiety that will come up when they really don't have
any answers. But I think also that there's the pressure
from social media and the speculations, and sometimes people who
want to get involved can can have some pretty significant
impact on an investigation, both good and bed, both good
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and bed.
Speaker 6 (11:45):
Sometimes both good and bad.
Speaker 7 (11:47):
Well, I will tell you from the group that I
was in, he was in a suspect. He was a
suspect with us before the police did shit. So I
don't think blaming social media is fair. When social media
gets stuff done faster than the police themselves, that just
doesn't doesn't fly for me. I'm sorry, I'm yelling right now,
but it's just people figured they had their kids sell records,
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they figured out where they were last seen, that his
name was floating around before he was arrested on a
parole violation. So I just don't blaming social media for
police incompetence just really doesn't fly with me. Let's move
on to another heartbreaking case, which is little missing baby
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Emmanuel Harrow. So his mom said he was stolen from
her in a parking lot. The parents were arrested today
on charges August twenty second, So let's get a little
overview of that case.
Speaker 8 (12:50):
Pretty where is baby Amani.
Speaker 15 (12:52):
It's been nearly forty eight hours since anyone has seen
this seven month old who was reported missing by his
mother in San Bernardino count and tonight, investigators saying.
Speaker 16 (13:01):
They cannot rule out foul play.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
In his disappearance.
Speaker 6 (13:06):
This is a k TLEE five news at six thirty.
I'm cree Winch and Hi there.
Speaker 17 (13:09):
I'm Courtney Frail in tonight for Rick Chambers. The boy's
mother says she was attacked Thursday in the parking lot
of a Big five in u Kaipa and that the
attacker took off with her baby.
Speaker 11 (13:20):
And now deputies say there are inconsistencies with her account
of what happened. Ka Tayley Sarah Walch is live and
Ukuipa with the latest.
Speaker 6 (13:28):
Sarah, what can you tell us?
Speaker 18 (13:32):
Curran Corport evening And as you said, that's why investigators
now say they cannot rule out foul play in this case.
This as the baby's parents went public at this Big
Five yesterday pleading for their son's safe return.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
A baby, just give her some.
Speaker 18 (13:52):
Jacob and Rebecca Harrow told media that someone kidnapped baby
Emmanuel from the Big five parking lot in Ukuipa. Rebecca
Harrow says she came here with the baby Thursday evening
to buy a mouthguard for her step son, and before
she went in the store, she claims she began changing
her baby's diaper in the vehicle when someone came up
behind her. She said, oh lah and then knocked her
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out cold, and she said when she came to she
said her baby was gone. She also said she could
not provide a description of who hit her. There are
no obvious cameras here in front of the store pointing
toward the parking space she was in, and investigators yesterday
said they had no suspect or vehicle description of anyone
driving away.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
With the baby.
Speaker 18 (14:32):
We spoke with the baby's grandmother last night. She told
us the couple would never hurt their child, that her
daughter has been this.
Speaker 7 (14:39):
Baby looks like it had he had shaken baby syndrome.
This I'm sorry, but like there's these people. We'll get into.
Speaker 6 (14:46):
The other abuse in a minute, but never hurt their child.
Speaker 18 (14:49):
My ass trying for years to have her own baby.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Boy, they're not gonna hurt that baby.
Speaker 13 (14:55):
Those that couple were just homes.
Speaker 19 (14:59):
Being without her baby since yesterday afternoon.
Speaker 6 (15:01):
If you have my grandson, please give it to his mom.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
She's going crazy. Please have mercy on her.
Speaker 18 (15:08):
She also told us that her daughter and son in
law were questioned by investigators yesterday at least twice, and
she said the couple were shown a video during that
questioning and that video upset her daughter. We asked the
grandmother what that video was and she just told us
that she didn't know. Investigators say after interviewing Rebecca Harrow,
she was confronted with inconsistencies in her initial statement and
(15:31):
then declined. Investigators say to continue with the interview.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Now.
Speaker 18 (15:35):
We did reach out to San Bernardino County investigators for
clarification on this at this point, they tell us they
put out a simple statement and said they are not
taking any further questions today.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
This as the.
Speaker 18 (15:48):
Search for baby Emmanuel continues. The investigators asking.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Of a desperate search.
Speaker 16 (15:56):
For seven month old baby boy named Emmanuel Harrow and
then details that we've just learned about the baby's father
and his criminal passed absolutely hair raising. The number of
children that had been moved out of the Harrow home
into the custody of others is nothing short of alarming.
Let me take you back for a moment. Baby Emmanuel
(16:18):
was reported missing last Thursday. His mother, Rebecca Harrow, claimed
that a stranger approached her from behind, said oh la,
and then knocked her unconscious. She says when she woke up,
baby Emmanuel was gone right there in the parking lot.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Gone.
Speaker 16 (16:34):
But according to investigators, Rebecca's story.
Speaker 6 (16:37):
Didn't speak black eye. I mean it's a real black eye,
but there's no way she got it.
Speaker 16 (16:41):
And and her husband have stopped cooperating with the police.
The authorities say. To be clear, there have been no
charges filed against Jake or Rebecca Harrow and Jake's attorney.
Speaker 6 (16:55):
Until until today.
Speaker 7 (16:58):
This is Za Vinty Polton for Courts TV and this
has just happened within the last hour.
Speaker 20 (17:04):
Breaking news in the Ola mom and dad case of
missing baby Emmanuel. Mom and dad have been arrested. Mom
and dad have been taken into custody. Official word just
coming down moments ago from the San Bernardino Sheriff's Office.
(17:25):
Rebecca and Jakes Harrow right now, the parents of this
seven month old have been taken into custody and are
now under arrest. There is a huge presence at the home.
The search is taking place. I presume more evidence is
being gathered. The status of where is a baby Emmanuel
still working on that. But this is the big breaking
(17:48):
news this morning coming to us out of California, that
Ola mom and dad, Jake and Rebecca Harrow, the parents
of little baby Emmanuel. Under as I'm Vinnie Politan, lead
anchor for Court TV along with Al Lunch the third,
a lot of Agenie says, and the radio Legend shows
(18:12):
greetings from Asbury Park, New Jersey. And this is a
special early breaking news edition of what we do each
and every week here on my channel, which is called
The One Moment. Please can you tell I am shuffling
right now? Can you tell that I am shuffling? Because
(18:32):
this is breaking. Everything's happening very quickly here.
Speaker 7 (18:35):
So we know the parents were taken into custody. I
feel like Vinnie doesn't have much more information.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
Than I do.
Speaker 7 (18:42):
I think that it was obvious to investigators that the
parents were involved. The mom's story was Barry Susan Smith,
a woman in nineteen ninety four who had her two
little boys in the car, strapped into car seats and
then said that a black man hijack to the car,
and really she drove her kids into a freaking lake
(19:04):
because she her boyfriend, her work boyfriend she was having
an affair with, said he didn't want children, and she
went on TV she cried. She cried the same way.
This is Susan Smith's statement in nineteen ninety.
Speaker 21 (19:19):
Four, based on what happened last night? Do you know
anything better about it now than you did?
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Last night.
Speaker 22 (19:27):
No, they I mean they've got it. People way everywhere
looking for him. I mean, you know, you can hear
the helicopters there, but they haven't seen anything. And it's
just it's crazy. And this man since nine o'clock last night,
you know. And I really thought that when it got
daylight they would find them, just in the Harvey.
Speaker 21 (19:49):
But was there anything about the demeanor of the man
that gives you concern you No.
Speaker 22 (19:57):
In fact, when he made me get out of the car,
you know, I tried to get my children. I was
bathing and place let me take them, and he said no,
we didn't have time because they weren't in car seats
and it was gonna take time for me to get
my own car seat. And they just told me, he said,
but I won't hurt them, and he just took call.
But he had a gun, and.
Speaker 6 (20:14):
Then my my big was denied as well.
Speaker 22 (20:21):
I'm just scared that he just lost his patience or something.
Speaker 6 (20:24):
You know, or something.
Speaker 8 (20:26):
You know.
Speaker 22 (20:28):
All I'm doing is just praying and just even my
faith that they're gonna be okay.
Speaker 7 (20:32):
They always have this crying without out care thing, which
just from a mother just and he just came out
of the book during I covered her during the care
and then the episode episode Who Killed Her Kids?
Speaker 6 (20:45):
And it was just like this.
Speaker 22 (20:47):
In a second, he was in my car, it just
having a car on and I just screamed.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
I said, what are you doing?
Speaker 22 (20:51):
He's just shut up driving. He had a gun and
it was poking it in my side, you know, told
me to drive, and so I drove, and I was
trying to ask some one time, you know.
Speaker 7 (21:02):
I would let someone shoot me to protect my freaking dog.
So just hearing that she just got out of the
car so nonchalantly, I mean, it's just And there were
a lot of similarities with this and Emmanuel Harrow's mother.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Parents may be lying.
Speaker 6 (21:18):
I got him out of the car SI.
Speaker 7 (21:22):
And he let him down and stuck gat his zippers
ready and somebody said hold one.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
That's all.
Speaker 14 (21:27):
I remember this video per k ABC of his mom
speaking to television cameras after she claimed she was attacked.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
And her son was abducted.
Speaker 14 (21:37):
Here's what the baby's dad said, looking straight into the.
Speaker 23 (21:40):
Camera, whoever took our son, please give him back.
Speaker 14 (21:47):
But now law enforcement in southern California say they can't
roll out foul play and they were having a hard
time trusting what these two parents are saying now that
the seven month old child is still missing.
Speaker 7 (21:57):
And mom and dad and he is missing. Hopefully, I
mean I right now do believe the parents were involved,
especially with their history of child abuse. Hopefully a confession
will come from this and they'll say where their child,
their child is.
Speaker 6 (22:16):
I will keep you updated.
Speaker 7 (22:20):
So Susan Smith nineteen ninety four denied Pearl. And we
have another infamous case, which is that of the Menendez brothers,
Lyle and Eric, who shot their parents in their California
mansion and both received life in prison. They made the
(22:44):
nine to one one call that their parents had been shot.
Speaker 24 (22:53):
What's the problem, what's the problem, what's the problem? A hard.
Speaker 15 (23:03):
Walk through.
Speaker 24 (23:05):
I didn't care people an up.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Right, I worried not.
Speaker 7 (23:13):
Missus Yle in the phone when they found the police
would already d in the house.
Speaker 6 (23:23):
And the defense in the pace day argued, and.
Speaker 7 (23:27):
So they were severely secularised by their father.
Speaker 9 (23:30):
And their mother children.
Speaker 25 (23:34):
At the time, the childism, it.
Speaker 24 (23:35):
Wasn't in too sipation.
Speaker 14 (23:37):
What happened?
Speaker 24 (23:40):
Do you happened?
Speaker 7 (23:43):
Bo?
Speaker 24 (23:45):
And not the rely all by doing for people who didn't.
Speaker 16 (23:57):
Go away home.
Speaker 24 (24:01):
Let me talk to Eric. The first was god, hold
on a credit.
Speaker 7 (24:16):
And the nine one one call also really ended up
hurting them in trial because they're so hysterical in it.
I don't know how much of that was sincere. But
then afterward, when one of them told their psychiatrist psychologist
that they were the ones who committed the crime, I
believe it was I believe it was Eric who told
(24:38):
This is from March of nineteen ninety, so thirty five
years ago. Over thirty five years ago news clip.
Speaker 26 (24:46):
Not many Hollywood murder mysteries, ever, took a more dramatic
turn than police are describing. In a couple of savage
Beverly Hills killings, the victims were a man and his wife.
He helped finance such movie. It says Rambo First Blood
Part two and read eight. The alleged killers are well
at Jerry Bowen tell you about it.
Speaker 19 (25:05):
It had all the signs.
Speaker 10 (25:06):
Of a mafia hit.
Speaker 21 (25:07):
When Beverly Hills.
Speaker 19 (25:08):
Police were called to the Menindez mentioned that cool night
last summer.
Speaker 21 (25:12):
I've been in this business for over thirty three years,
and I've heard very few murders that were more savage
than this.
Speaker 19 (25:19):
One was no signs of a break in or a burglary,
only the bodies of entertainment executive Jose Menendez and his
wife Kitty in the family TV room, torn by shotgun
blast that one of the neighbor kids heard. Their college
aged sons, nineteen year old Eric and twenty two year
old Lyle, said they found the bodies after a night
(25:40):
at the movies, But new evidence, ranging from records of
the family psychologists to a movie script about a rich
kid who kills his parents now indicates the brothers did it.
Speaker 7 (25:52):
We'll get tonight, find it all together, and just recently
that glue was coming out, and I feel that we
have a very tight case.
Speaker 19 (25:58):
Indeed, this arrested Lyle at the family mansion yesterday. Younger
brother Eric's reportedly returning from an overseas trip to surrender
and like the script Eric once wrote and his mother
typed for him. Police say the motive was apparently money,
a fourteen million dollar inheritance to be shared by the brothers,
and he raised computer record about a will suggests the
(26:19):
father was about to make a change a mob hit
over some shady movie deal. Say Police's pure fantasy, but
it's all the boy's grandmother wants to believe Indy mafia.
Speaker 26 (26:30):
This is too much money.
Speaker 24 (26:31):
I see I thing.
Speaker 26 (26:33):
This is my obinion.
Speaker 19 (26:34):
Both brothers may be arraigned on charges as early as Monday.
Jerry Bowen, CBS News, Beverly Hills.
Speaker 25 (26:42):
In Los Angeles, jurors are hearing tales of sexual abuse, greed,
and cold blooded murder and the trial of two brothers
charged with killing their parents. In opening statements yesterday, lawyers
for the two Menendez brothers claimed they shot their parents
in nineteen eighty nine after years of abuse, but prosecuted
say the real motive was money and estimated fourteen million
(27:03):
dollar inheritance.
Speaker 27 (27:05):
There's been a major development tonight at the trial of
one of the two Menendez brothers charged with murdering their
wealthy parents. Correspondent Sandra Hughes is live in Los Angeles
with the details. Sandra Well Connie.
Speaker 15 (27:17):
The jurors is ciding the fate of Eric Menendez have deadlocked.
They are hung on the most serious charge of first
degree murder and lesser charges against him. The judge has
called a mistrial. This does not mean that Eric Menendez
will be set free. It is unlikely the judge will
let him out of jail because the district attorney has
said Eric Menendez will be tried again. Twenty three year
(27:39):
old Eric and his older brother Lyle are accused of
shooting and killing their millionaire parents, Jose and Kitty Menendez,
as they watched TV in their Beverly Hills mansion. The
brothers admitted the killings, but said they acted out of fear.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Dad said he would kill me if I ever told anyone,
and he was serious.
Speaker 15 (27:56):
The secret the brothers said they were going to reveal
was that Jose had sexually molested both Eric and Lyle
for years.
Speaker 26 (28:05):
It didn't really want me and I couldn't stop that,
and I wanted to, but I couldn't.
Speaker 14 (28:09):
I don't know why.
Speaker 15 (28:10):
But prosecutors said the brothers killed out of hate and greed.
Speaker 13 (28:14):
And do you really think the child abuse justifies murder?
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Eric's attorney had trunk.
Speaker 7 (28:20):
And that is the question, does child abuse justify murder?
I mean, I can't answer that. I just really I
really can't. I it's hard for me with the Menendez brothers,
not that I don't have empathy for them. What their
parents did was horrible. It's really hard for me that
they shot their mother in the face. And it's also
(28:43):
hard for me that they had so many resources available
to them and still committed this crime with the amount
of wealth and connection that they had. That being said,
they were very young and very traumatized, and I think
prison should be about rehabilitation instead of just punishment. So
(29:05):
I honestly believed that they were both going to get paroled.
As of the time I recording this, Lyle's parole hearing
is in progress.
Speaker 6 (29:14):
Eric's was yesterday.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
He was in front of a parole.
Speaker 13 (29:17):
Bar in California.
Speaker 28 (29:18):
Eric Menendez was denied parole and Matt Guttman is joining
us from San Diego.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Matt, what's the latest. How did they come to this decision?
Speaker 23 (29:28):
They had to pour through a voluminous amount of case file,
thousands of pages juju. That's even before today's marathon nine
actually ten hour session lasted, and it was just a
short time ago that the parole board finished explaining why
it came to this decision. So let me break that
down very briefly. Basically, it was a three year denial,
which means that that Eric Menendez can't appear before a
(29:50):
parole board again within three years, but it'll probably be
sooner than that. Closer to eighteen months. Here's why they
came to this decision, despite the fact that Eric had
an almost unblemished record in prison, exemplarate conduct in prison, especially.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Over the past twenty years.
Speaker 23 (30:06):
They talked about his pre murder burglaries back in the
late eighties before the nineteen eighty nine murders.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
He did it twice.
Speaker 23 (30:13):
They also talked about his multiple cell phone violation in
fractions that Eric had smuggled had had cell phone smuggled
into the prison. He paid one thousand dollars for one,
he apparently took another from a prison guard, bought one
from a prison guard, and that, according to the parole Board,
showed a certain.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Level of criminality.
Speaker 23 (30:33):
And finally, it was the shotgunning of.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Kitty Menendez, Eric and Lyle's mother.
Speaker 23 (30:38):
That is something that the parole Board simply could not
get beyond.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Nick.
Speaker 6 (30:43):
It is just hard.
Speaker 7 (30:44):
Like I know, I did a Luigi episode yesterday on
If Bad People Die, and Kitty was complicit in their abuse.
But there's something when you're trying to process somebody doing
that to their own mother. Did I say Luis Menendez
instead of MANGIONI.
Speaker 6 (31:04):
There's something hard.
Speaker 7 (31:05):
To process about somebody doing that to their own mother,
where it just seems so much more violent to shoot
your mother in the face in close range.
Speaker 23 (31:18):
Basically said she didn't have to die, and asked Eric
point blank, why did you shoot her? Eric said, I
thought that she was complicit, she had betrayed us, and
I wished to this day that I hadn't done it.
So a stunning, a crushing defeat really for the Menenda's
brothers after they felt that they had come so close,
after being recent in just a couple of months ago,
(31:39):
from life without the possibility of parole, to fifty years
to life opening the possibility for parole, which again denied
pretty vehemently from this parole board today.
Speaker 28 (31:49):
Juju, and yet, Matt, you've reported extensively on the different
avenues of appeal that the Menanda's brothers have taken to
the legal system. There is the matter of the clemency
appeal with the governor. What are the other options available
to them?
Speaker 2 (32:03):
At this point this was.
Speaker 23 (32:06):
The primary appeal right it was through resentencing.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
There is also clemency.
Speaker 23 (32:11):
The Governor, Gavin Newsom could decide at any points at
his discretion that he believes that the Menendez brothers have
served their time and should be released, recommending their parole.
There's also a habeas petition, which is essentially saying that
new information has come to light that the court needs
to see the new da in Los Angeles, Nathan Hoffman
has basically shut the haavieists down. That is not a
(32:33):
very likely path right now, and it's extremely unlikely that
Governor Newsom is going to grant the brothers clemency after
a parole board so roundly declined and denied their attempt
at parole, this time pretty much excoriating the brother. Eric
Menendez's conduct in prison is specifically his burglaries and the
murder of his mother.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
There were some glowing statements.
Speaker 23 (32:56):
He did mention that the hospice work and Eric's conduct
and creation of various programs, including a green space program
in that prison behind me, was something that was commendable,
but he found overall that this is not a person
who is fit to be released. And again the primary
standard here is whether Eric poses an unreasonable risk to
(33:19):
society if released, And of course tomorrow Lyle Menendez will
be up. He doesn't have as many blemishes on his record,
but he also doesn't have as an outstanding a record
in prisoness in prison as a model.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Prisoner, as Eric did. So that's up in the air
as well.
Speaker 23 (33:35):
And again, you know, Jiji, we're more than ten hours
into this process today, Matt.
Speaker 6 (33:39):
That was from ABC News.
Speaker 7 (33:41):
Like I said, we are in the middle of Lyle's
hearing right now, not even the middle, just a few hours,
and so that could go all day as well. Maybe
his outcome will be different because he didn't have the
same kind of violations as Eric did. I have a
feeling if Eric's case went that way, that Lyle's will
(34:04):
as well. What do you think about the menandaz brothers.
It's complicated for me. I do think that they should
be allowed parole though eventually, if not, if not now,
And even though that the their violence is very hard
for me to deal with, I think that there was
a large, a large amount of trauma there and I
(34:28):
don't think that they were motivated just by an inheritance
to commit this crime. I think that they were traumatized,
and when you're traumatized, you don't really think things through
as clearly, and Eric clearly had guilty told his therapist
what happened. The therapist, I believe told his wife or
(34:52):
partner and she's the one who told the police or.
Speaker 6 (34:55):
The therapist did.
Speaker 7 (34:56):
But that's how it got out, So there was a
heavy con happening there. I'm surprised. I'm surprised he didn't
get parole or like a set date. I'm not exactly
how sure it works, sure of how it works, but
let me know your thoughts on them and baby Harrow.
(35:20):
Do you think the parents did it? Portland serial killer?
Do you think the police should have told us, like, yes,
obviously there's a serial killer. If you are a woman
by yourself, be on the lookout because because I really do.
After you have like seven bodies across the state dumped
in the same way and everyone is spreading serial killer rumors,
(35:44):
can you really just be like, oh, no, stop being
armchair detectives, We've got this, and then years later be like, oh, whoops, yeah,
the guy was a guy was a psychopathic murderer. I
just really feel like they they messed that up. I
never understand and the whole not wanting to cause the
public to panic. Sometimes we should panic and prepare on
(36:07):
how to defend ourselves and to know, like to be
on the lookout for things instead of just having it
buried under the rug under the guise of it not
causing hysteria. So that's also just very hard for me
to understand because I think a lot of those deaths
could have been prevented. But let me know your thoughts.
(36:32):
Thank you for sticking with me this week. I don't
know what's coming out next week. I'm recording with Kristen.
I'm recording some stuff for the log Lady film. I
know Catherine the log Lady, So I'll have a creative
sobriety episode out about witchcraft and herbs and staying sober,
(36:54):
and then also some Twin Peaks adjacent content at some
point next week. And then I think I'm gonna do
also my Nina Simone episode, which I have a lot
of editing to do on, but I.
Speaker 6 (37:07):
Started recording the bulk of that already.
Speaker 7 (37:10):
Have an episode on a main character syndrome, have an
episode on Botox, have a lot of stuff that's like
halfway done. But this heat, these heat waves we're getting
are really messing me up because I just have like
an air conditioner unit, and if I have to turn
that off, then it's so hot and so hard to
record because there's just not central air here. So when
(37:31):
we have these hundred degree days like day after day
after day, it makes it really hard to even think straight. Honestly,
I hope no one loses their life and their heat
these heat waves, because we had a really bad one
in twenty twenty one and over one hundred people died
in Moltnoma County from the heat waves, mainly like disabled
(37:54):
and elderly people. Because our homes are built like to
keep the hot air like in the winter. It never
used to get this hot. I mean I remember whole
summers where it barely got above.
Speaker 6 (38:06):
Like eighty degrees.
Speaker 7 (38:08):
So to have these one hundred degree days day after day,
it's just brutal. I hope you're staying cool where you are,
and I will talk to you soon.
Speaker 6 (38:19):
Bye.
Speaker 7 (38:21):
Thank you so much for listening to another episode of
Broad's next Door. I had such a great week with
you doing five episodes. We had the Osborns, We had
Kristen from Creative Sobriety and I talking about turning forty
and how awesome forty is.
Speaker 6 (38:37):
Then we had what was.
Speaker 7 (38:39):
Wednesday, oh, the Miami Alien Mall incident, and then yesterday
we had Luke Goebel talking about his book kill Dick
and also talking about healthcare and Luigi Mangioni.
Speaker 6 (38:53):
And today we did back to trial and.
Speaker 7 (38:55):
True crime updates, so can you tell them that I'm
like slightly proud of myself. All of these episodes are edited, recorded,
and written by me. When I say we, I mean
you and I. So if you enjoyed this episode, please
make sure to rate it five stars. You can find
me online at Sidielaskrima and Broad's.
Speaker 6 (39:15):
Next Door at All the Things.
Speaker 7 (39:17):
You can email me at Brodsnockstore dot com or broad'snext
Door at gmail dot com, or you can message me
on socials. I love reading your messages, I love.
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Send me episode ideas and I'll talk to you very soon.
Speaker 6 (39:33):
Goodbye,
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