The Haunted Houses We Lived In and The Found Footage We Watched (with a special guest, Daniela's Mom)

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
My home, which I am leaving the comforts up for
the weekend to explore.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
The very witch.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
I can see whom.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Thank you very right, it's very bit, honey.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
But I don't want.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
I don't know why I have to have any conversation
video ever making a documentary not.

Speaker 4 (00:25):
About us getting lost, making a documentary about a witch.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
I got lost.

Speaker 4 (00:30):
Admit that first, I know we're not lost, oh place.

Speaker 5 (00:35):
We know it was pop.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Well, even if it wasn't, I'm not gonna play with
that either.

Speaker 4 (00:39):
It's not because of me that we're here now, hungry
and cold.

Speaker 6 (00:49):
Apologize Mike's mom and Josh's mom. Why Hello, neighbors, lovers, friends,
and anyone who's ever questioned what they're seeing with their
own eyes. I'm Danielli Scrima, and you're listening to Broad's

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next Door. Grab your grainy VHS tapes, your camcorder.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
With your no battery life.

Speaker 6 (01:20):
And your childhood memories that don't seem real, because today
we're getting a broader understanding of the haunted houses that
we grew up in, the found footage horror we watch,
and some true crime cases that really really messed us up.
Will be joined on this episode by a very special guest,

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the person who got me into horror. My mom, Teresa,
there's fine eleven eleven.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
It's like decades old gold case with no answer.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
I do remember how it shook their village.

Speaker 7 (01:55):
Nearly thirty five years ago, the ten year old eighty
of the Holodk's body was found in Ashley County.

Speaker 8 (02:00):
Shout out to.

Speaker 4 (02:00):
Death, say to Amy's not Homemamy, He's not at home
when she started calling all her friends.

Speaker 7 (02:03):
For years, detectives have worked that case.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
We're hopeful for the whole thing, you know.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
We want justice for framing. Family and friends have prayed
for answers.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
It's something that you can never stop thinking about.

Speaker 7 (02:13):
And now, just weeks before the anniversary of her disappearance,
I don't.

Speaker 9 (02:17):
Think anybody who lives here has lived here or hasn't
heard about it and doesn't think about it from time
to time when they drive past that shopping mall.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
There are new.

Speaker 7 (02:23):
Developments in the case, and I've never given a pope.

Speaker 4 (02:28):
By Billy.

Speaker 5 (02:28):
Detectives are one step closer to solving the cold case
murder for more than thirty years ago, which is giving
this family some hope. I'm let me worried with the
details of this investigation.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
Hard to believe.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
Thirty five years, more than.

Speaker 5 (02:39):
Three decades later, and Mark Mahalivik says the person responsible
for killing.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
His daughter Amy Mahalovik is still unknown. Whenever you look
back on time, it seems like it just happened yesterday.

Speaker 5 (02:49):
Even as Mahalavik and his family continue to grieve through
this unbearable pain, he says he has never given up hope.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
Never never, never never.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
There's no reason to until they find the person who
did Hi.

Speaker 6 (03:01):
Hello, how is everyone? I hope you are still loving October?
It is Friday, so I hope you have some fun
stuff planned for the weekend. Maybe going to a pumpkin patch,
maybe just relaxing. Maybe you're listening to this episode. This
originally was just gonna be an episode about found footage horror,

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but it ended up being so much more because I
unwillingly roped my mother into being.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
A special guest.

Speaker 4 (03:30):
I did not tell her.

Speaker 6 (03:32):
We talked for like an hour and a half, and
I don't tell her that I've been recording her until
the very end, because whenever I do, she just changes
up her tune. But we end up talking about haunted houses.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
We lived in.

Speaker 6 (03:44):
We do talk a lot about found footage, horror movies
we liked.

Speaker 4 (03:48):
We also talk about a.

Speaker 6 (03:49):
Lot of crimes that deeply impacted me as a child,
and I kind of get her perspective on them. A
lot of them are really Ohio focused, but we have
some Florida one to just a lot of back and
forth with ghost stories paranormal experiences. Why we got so
into horror to begin with, how it sometimes soothes us

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instead of unsettles us, and can be a really good distraction.

Speaker 4 (04:18):
From the horrors of real life.

Speaker 6 (04:20):
So we started by talking about this Sci Fi special
that deeply had an impact on both of us that
we watched in this summer of nineteen ninety nine when
I was fourteen and my mom was around my age,
which is just weird. It's just weird being the age
that your parents were at any given time. But it

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was a Sci Fi Channel documentary about the Blair Witch,
before anyone knew that The Blair Witch wasn't a real documentary.
So I got her on the phone, we start talking
about that. I didn't even bring it up. I was
just asking about found footage, and she brings it up
right away, So I am going to cut to her.

(05:03):
We are all over this place in this episode. But
I think it was a really good conversation and I
hope you enjoy it as much.

Speaker 4 (05:11):
As I did. So I have a lot of horror
movie stuff planned for this month for the podcast, okay,
but I am working on a found footage episode and
I thought you could help me out with it a bit,
because you and I have watched a lot of scary

(05:33):
movies together.

Speaker 10 (05:35):
So the.

Speaker 11 (05:37):
One thing that really when I think about that, the
one thing that kind of impresses me is or just
left an impression, was when the sci Fi channel we
should have known first of all because it was a
sci fi channel, but I had never seen anything like
that before, and they presented it as a documentary and

(05:57):
they interviewed Town's people and they they didn't seem like actors.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
They just looked like real people.

Speaker 4 (06:04):
They looked so such like real people, and it looked
so low budget.

Speaker 11 (06:08):
That was the thing.

Speaker 4 (06:09):
It also looked really low budget, and it was nothing
too extreme. It wasn't that they were saying. It was
all super super subtle stuff. And like, oh, since I
was a kid, I've heard rumors not so they're discussing
the Blair Witch the woods wherever they are Rumont and.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Yes, not to go in that area of the woods.

Speaker 11 (06:33):
And we lost to a lot of people. They say
they'd just go missing in the woods and never come out.
But they said they found the backpacks and they found
they found a camera, and it just it was like
so scary.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
I was like, whoa, this is real, this is real.
We were really freaked out.

Speaker 4 (06:52):
You remember that, I absolutely, I absolutely remember. It's on YouTube.
We watched we tried to watch it like a couple
of years ago.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, and it seems so dumb. It seemed just so what.

Speaker 4 (07:06):
You know, how did we not understand that it was
marketing for the film because.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
We had never seen anything like that before.

Speaker 11 (07:15):
Before the Exorcist, they never they didn't come out with oh, yes, we.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
Knew these people.

Speaker 12 (07:20):
And then before the before you know, the Freddy Krueger movie,
or before Friday It's the Who's the guy Michael Meyer
or something, there was never any kind of.

Speaker 11 (07:33):
Oh yeah, the Festival of Sam Hayne and that's when
the debt. You know, there was just never anything like that,
and there was no YouTube at the time.

Speaker 4 (07:42):
Now there was barely the Internet at the time, so
it's not like the Internet. We didn't have the Internet yet.

Speaker 11 (07:48):
No, so all the all our information came from television
information like television, magazines, books, things like that. Yeah, so
presenting something like a documentary, which we had to watched
documentaries before, and we just assumed it was a documentary.

Speaker 4 (08:04):
Yeah, and the Sci Fi Channel wasn't as ridiculous yet
that kind of wasn't like as big of a red
flag that it was airing on the Sci Fi Channel
because they'd have like different stuff, and you know, it
was very much like Unsolved Mysteries with Robert stat.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
That's exactly that's what it was.

Speaker 11 (08:24):
I took it as one of those unsolved mysteries things
because that's what we would watch a lot of America's
Most Wanted and all that that was.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
We just took it at.

Speaker 11 (08:35):
Face value, and that's we didn't know any better. So
we just assumed, Wow, that's crazy, that's crazy. You know,
the whole thing with the backpack and they found their
backpacks and these kids were missing.

Speaker 4 (08:49):
And yeah, yeah, that they had gone missing while making
because they I don't think they showed any clips of
the tapes. I don't think they show any clips from
the movies. They may from the movie.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
They may have, they didn't. I don't think they did.
I'm almost positive I.

Speaker 13 (09:05):
Don't think so either.

Speaker 4 (09:07):
I'll I'll put some of it in the episode, some
of the specials, so people can see how ridiculous it was.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
That we were.

Speaker 14 (09:14):
In seventeen eighty five, several children in the township of Blair, Maryland,
accused Ellie Edward of witchcraft. She was found guilty and
vanished in the middle of winter. It was assumed she
died from exposure. The following year, all of her accusers

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and half the town's children had vanished.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
Fearing a curse. The entire township fled as soon as
the weather broke. En vowed never the lot of the
name Ellie Edward again.

Speaker 4 (09:52):
This was called the Curse of the Blair.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
Words mean okay, good, mor got care, I got you?

Speaker 3 (10:01):
This is my home, okay.

Speaker 4 (10:04):
Was I'm leaving the comforts up for the weekend.

Speaker 11 (10:06):
To explore there much.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Well.

Speaker 15 (10:10):
Heather h was uh, probably one of the two or
three best students that I've that I've had the pleasure
of of teaching. She was committed, She was energetic, She
was very creative. She was someone who I think Uh
reminded me of myself really allotted at her age. She
was looking to develop and find her her voice. Plus
she was uh interested in documentaries, which my own background

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is in documentaries.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
I met her in high school. I met her when
I moved to mcgoma.

Speaker 4 (10:38):
Common, Maryland.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
She's one of the first people that I actually met.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
She met her in passing in the hallway, and then
we were in a play together and.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
That's how we really became appointing.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
First go way in and of course.

Speaker 9 (10:55):
Mom was there and Brady's been brought up for the
first time.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
I stick Marge to go bigg up on your bird clash.
I didn't work. The others break this one.

Speaker 8 (11:04):
So I picked her up and.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
Just for hours before I did the Doctor Molins.

Speaker 15 (11:10):
She had submitted a proposal to me to do a
short documentary on the legend of a Blair Witch.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
It was something I had never heard of before.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
To tell you the truth, we're doing a documentary about
the Blair Witch.

Speaker 8 (11:24):
Have you heard of the Blair Witch?

Speaker 4 (11:25):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (11:25):
Yeah, that's an whole, long old story.

Speaker 15 (11:27):
So I remember here was a legend that had developed
in this area over the course of a couple of centuries.
Whenever a particular bad sequence of events happened in this community,
there seemed to be a tendency to blame it on
Blair Witch, who apparently was a woman who had been
cast out during the colonial era as a witch. It

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seemed like a great opportunity to interview people who had
been passing down this legend for a couple of centuries early.

Speaker 16 (11:55):
Can you just run it for a couple of feet
for me so we can check that it's okay.

Speaker 4 (11:58):
Sure.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
Josh was more glitz.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Uh.

Speaker 15 (12:02):
He thought it would be cool to be in the
in the film business. He was not willing, I don't
think to do the kind of work that was really necessary.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
To develop a voice.

Speaker 15 (12:12):
And I think Heather and Josh were really sort of
polar opposites in a lot of ways, but clearly they
liked each other.

Speaker 17 (12:19):
I didn't know Heather very well, I think, I guess
I really only met her once, and that's when she
was talking about the the Blair Witch documentary and going
into the Woods, wanting Josh to be a part of that.

Speaker 15 (12:31):
They collaborated on several projects together. I mentioned to her
a couple of times that I was concerned that his
some of the.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
Negative aspects of his.

Speaker 15 (12:40):
Really lack of commitment and energy would would perhaps be
negative for her, but it turns out that they did
like they.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
Did like working together.

Speaker 17 (12:48):
It didn't really go over too well because I remember
we thought about it before he left, and I mean,
I feel really badly about that now, because I mean
we argued horribly. But I just had this I just
had this feeling I didn't want him to go off
with there. There was just something about her that rubbed
me the wrong way.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
It was just instinct, I guess I didn't want him
to go.

Speaker 17 (13:09):
Off for the whole weekend though.

Speaker 11 (13:10):
Now are you happy with the way the documentary's going, Yes, sir, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (13:14):
I'm very pleasantly surprised by our little Nikey.

Speaker 8 (13:19):
When he was a little kid, he was a pain
in the uh you know, he was a pain.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
He was h was really uh, always pushing my parents buttons.

Speaker 6 (13:29):
So they are showing clips from the movie, but they're
very brief, and they're splicing them in like this.

Speaker 4 (13:34):
Is supposed to be Josh's brother.

Speaker 6 (13:36):
The girl before it was supposed to be Josh's girlfriend,
and it's seeming like very natural to the story of
what's happening more so than the movie itself.

Speaker 8 (13:50):
Does sound equipment stuff. You know, I just I just
called him to go out there and be having gave
yourself something.

Speaker 16 (13:57):
I could help you, but I'd rather stand and record
paxon Roc.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
We're ready to go.

Speaker 18 (14:01):
You gotta go over to the shack and Shanny yep, wow, yeah,
oh my god.

Speaker 9 (14:16):
The search of the three missing Montgomery College students continues
in Frederick County tonight.

Speaker 10 (14:20):
There's dozens of volunteers and state officials joined local forces.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
What has now become a full scale search of the
Black Hills.

Speaker 19 (14:25):
Area for local officials, combined with over one hundred search volunteers,
failed to come up with any signs of the three
missing filmmakers. Montgomery College film students Heather Donahue, Michael Williams,
and Joshua Leonard were reportedly shooting a school project about.

Speaker 4 (14:38):
A local myth called the Blair Witch. At this time,
their whereabouts are still unknown.

Speaker 7 (14:47):
Checked the car over completely, never found the inclues with
the vehicle. We checked the witnesses that may have seen
the film students, and never because we can never locate them.

Speaker 19 (14:56):
The Black Hills search of three missing filmmakers has been
called off. Ten days and thousands of man hours have
been unable to produce any clues to the cause of
the mysterious disappearances. Family and friends of the Montgomery College
graduates are holding on to the hope that someone or
something will provide some answers.

Speaker 16 (15:12):
Well, when the story turned into a really big story,
I went to the Sheriff's office and I tried to.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
Talk with him, and he's really been no help. I
mean it's.

Speaker 16 (15:20):
I joined the search party and I called when we
didn't find anything on the search party, and I told
him I thought we should still keep looking because I
know there are clues out there.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
You know, I still go out and I still look,
and I know there's something out there.

Speaker 16 (15:32):
He's talked to me a few times, but he doesn't
want to hear anything I have to say. December twelfth,
nineteen ninety four, Dear Shareff Cravens, I have tried repeatedly
to reach you on the phone, but you have not
returned any of my calls. You and I both know
the history of Burket's Built and the events that have
earned our town it's peculiar reputation. Past events have proven
that something evil resides on the black hills that surround us,

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the same black hills that those three young people heckd
into a few months ago and never came back from.
I urge you to look to the past for the
answers you seek, Sincerely, Dotty Faulter.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
They won't tell me anything.

Speaker 16 (16:05):
So that's why there's this feeling that I have that
they know more than their wanting to talk about. I
think they don't want to admit that they saw her
and that she's there. You know, Ellie is not very
far from any of us at any time, and she
chooses her time to appear, and.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
They just don't want to acknowledge that just you.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
Know, from there to the middle of the earth is
just dirt.

Speaker 10 (16:26):
The original house of the site had burned down, and
so there was a layer of ash that was like
sitting in the interior of the house, like the basement.
So this knapsack had been in sterile soil with no
evidence around it of disturbance. Over the top of it
was an undisturbed layer of ash, and the whole thing
was boxed in by basically a colonial era wall that

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was undisturbed.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
It was.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
Even a forensic expert.

Speaker 10 (16:52):
Could not have put that thing into the site without
disturbing the charcoal, the wall or steril soil. It was
as if it materialized, And of course that's not the
language of science, so I can't.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
I just don't know what to say about that's really.

Speaker 8 (17:04):
At the time that the footage was found, it was scary.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
It was very, very eerie, and it's not something that
I really want to look at. Let's tell you the truth.

Speaker 4 (17:13):
I kind of avoided it.

Speaker 8 (17:16):
I really don't. I don't feel too comfortable of seeing
the last few days of my brother's life on video.
I really just don't feel too comfortable with that because
it's very eery.

Speaker 20 (17:26):
Well, when when he found this videotape or film recordings
of whatever it was, immediately did the Blair Witch business
emerged and people became superstitious and they said, well, maybe.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
This was connected to the Blair Witch.

Speaker 20 (17:38):
I thought it was kind of fishy myself, and I
looked at the whole thing, is possibly a hoax or whatever,
but it was still strange.

Speaker 7 (17:46):
After reviewing the film, I still thought.

Speaker 19 (17:47):
It was a hoax.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
Well, it's always that possibility, but.

Speaker 10 (17:53):
I think, like I mentioned earlier, I think it would
be remote that it's a hoax because of the way
the tapes.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
Were hidden and the fact that it just to view
the tapes they are very realiptic and they do.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
The tape is from a time period that the students
were have been able to do with tapement. My food
certain least, the.

Speaker 19 (18:26):
Case of the Black Hill's disappearances has once again been closed.
The investigation was reopened last October after film reels and
video cassettes supposedly belonging to the three missing film students
were found by a Maryland University anthropology class. Frederick County
police officials declared today that the found footage was inconclusive
and that all possible leads on the case have been exhausted.
Heather Donahue, Joshua Letard, and Michael Williams disappeared in nineteen

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ninety four while shooting a documentary film project in the
Black Hills area near Burkettsville. The three student filmmakers are
still missing.

Speaker 7 (18:57):
Burkersville has only got myself and one deputy. We did
the best we could. We called in the county authorities early,
and we contacted the FBI later for more in depth search.
And I hate to publicly criticize someone in law enforcement,
I was in LA enforcement for.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
Thirty two years.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
I just saw that there were things maybe that could
have been done that weren't done.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
Been very good job. Well, it seemed like that that.

Speaker 9 (19:24):
Something happens about every fifty or sixty years to make
the player, which theory continue on. And I think that's
probably what the Capramen are doing. They were hoping to
carry it on in some way, and maybe they did.
They may dispirit, who knows for sure, but it's just strange.
It always happens, almost in a fifty years pattern that
she somehow surfaces or some thick surfaces, it leads to her.

Speaker 16 (19:49):
I think they knew the legend, but I don't think
they knew the whole history. I don't think they felt
any fear, but I don't think they felt any kind
of respect. I think to them it was just another project.
It was a way to get a grade. And I
think they met her, and I think she met them
when she was ready to.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
And I think we're good.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
I'm so sorry for everything that happened, but that was.

Speaker 4 (20:14):
Like one of the things that scared us the most.
And we watched we watched some heavy hitter stuff, like
we watched all the Stephen King we watched like all
the real horror movies.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
Yeah, I had read all of Stephen King. I never
really thought he was.

Speaker 11 (20:31):
I took him in a different and with a different,
different way. I never really thought he was that scary.

Speaker 4 (20:39):
It was just to me he was a nut. Yeah,
you're not so good versus evil is like the scariest
thing to me, even as an adult. Like I told
you with when I was reading Doctor Sleep, the Shining
follow up, I have an episode coming out about the
Shining and the Stanley Hotel too. But when I was
reading Doctor Sleep, I couldn't finish it because I got

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so scared. And that was in like twenty.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Twelve, or like that was twenty fourteen Doctor Sleep.

Speaker 11 (21:09):
Yeah, Oh, I thought that came out a little later,
wasn't it twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen?

Speaker 4 (21:15):
It was before? It was when I was before I
moved back to Florida. I was living in that house
with yeah for sure, because I got it at Pals
and I was living in that house with all the girls,
Oh all right, and reading it and I had to
I had to stop because I got so scared. It
might have been the beginning of twenty fifteen, though.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
It could have been that ear no, no, you know what,
the movie came out.

Speaker 11 (21:36):
I might be confusing it with the movie because I
read the book and then watched the movie, and I
thought they did a good job.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
With the film.

Speaker 4 (21:43):
I thought so too.

Speaker 13 (21:44):
I thought so too. I watched the whole movie. The
movie was not nearly as scared.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
All right, Spike, all right, yes, so.

Speaker 4 (21:50):
Then we go see the Blair Witch in theaters that
summer in Ohio, I think it's summer nineteen ninety nine, yes,
and believe that what we could we knew it wasn't real.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
Then now, but then it was. The movie seemed a
little ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (22:06):
The movie didn't seem as scary as that documentary at all,
which just was so surprising to me.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
But it was.

Speaker 4 (22:16):
It was just seemed a little bit more hokey. I
actually enjoyed it more when I watched it, like as
an adult. When I watched it just kind of as
like a stand alone thing. But it really did scare people.
I mean, it probably scared me too, but it was
also something like when they were in the town telling
the story, it feel it felt like something that like

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could happen. But then once they were camping.

Speaker 13 (22:41):
And like I was like, well, this will never happen
to me. I'm never gonna go on some camping hike.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
So the film was so what was it that?

Speaker 11 (22:52):
Do you remember what the best part about the movie
was all the parodies, parodies everywhere of see.

Speaker 13 (23:01):
Her with a snot coming to have a Heather, yes, the.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
Girl screaming uh huh oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (23:12):
And then they did some follow up. They did the
second one, which was like a movie, it was like, yes, fiction,
but then they did another follow up one where it's
Heather's brother and I feel like we watched that.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
I don't remember watching that. I remember one with the teenager.
I watched movie.

Speaker 13 (23:29):
I watched it with James.

Speaker 4 (23:32):
But they did do a follow up and it's also
found footage and he goes looking for his sister and
it's like twenty years later, so she'd.

Speaker 13 (23:40):
Be like fifty years old.

Speaker 4 (23:44):
But found footage craze that really doesn't take off with
like lots of spinoff movies, even though Blair Witch did
so well and they made it on like it was
the budget was like only sixty thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
It was really low, and it made like so this
this one really spared me this.

Speaker 11 (24:03):
This was just one of the only movies that has
ever creeped me out. And it's not necessarily found footage.
Paranormal activity the first one.

Speaker 4 (24:15):
Yes, paranormal activity is like the ultimate quintessential found footage movie.

Speaker 11 (24:20):
Oh is it?

Speaker 4 (24:21):
Yes, Yes, it's the says.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
He was filming everything.

Speaker 11 (24:25):
They were having strange occurrences in the house and then
he just started filming.

Speaker 21 (24:30):
Started a date over the past few weeks things that
started having paranormal activity and occurrence of unknown origin that
cannot be explained logically or identifically.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
One of the scariest buildings. Yes, it's gonna.

Speaker 21 (24:46):
Follow, you know, whatever happens.

Speaker 11 (24:47):
Hopefully once we get on camp, we can figure out
what's going on and then.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
We have appropriately.

Speaker 4 (24:54):
Hands down the scar.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
Do you know how many tricks they like to still happened?
Happening about a.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
Year more unsettling than I could have rather had.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
I have a very interesting time capturing is occurring with.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
Its trailers.

Speaker 4 (25:23):
Increasingly terrifying, bloody disgusting dot com. Don't expect her mid
Night's sleep.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
Yourself.

Speaker 11 (25:48):
Oh yeah, one of the.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Confused that is better than Blair works, And it.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
Was just it was the subtleness of it when it
when you know, ghosts become.

Speaker 11 (26:11):
Corporeal in this slaughter everyone it's like, okay, yeah, come on,
it's you know, that's kind of ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
But this was just so subtle.

Speaker 11 (26:22):
And when when it drags her out of bed, the
door just opens. She's in bed and it just starts
dragging around and you don't see anything.

Speaker 4 (26:31):
That wasn't the scariest part to me. The scariest part
to me is when so you told me to watch it.
You told me to watch it. You were in Florida
and I had just moved to Oregon. I think it
came out in two thousand and nine, something like that,
and I think I watched it. Might have come out
in twenty ten, but I watched it like sometime in
twenty ten, maybe early twenty eleven, and Alex and I

(26:53):
rented it. And when I watched it, I did not
think it was that scary. I just kind of thought
it was dumb.

Speaker 11 (27:00):
Thought it was you said, what was so scary about
it was a tech girl just screaming, oh.

Speaker 4 (27:04):
My god, over gets me Mica, but whatever his name was.
But what did scare me about it? Because I could
imagine myself doing it is when she gets up and
she just stands there and like rocks back and forth
kind of for like eight hours. And I was like,

(27:27):
I could see myself doing that too, my boyfriend, but
we watched it. Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 11 (27:36):
Now, I'm just saying that that the currents happened in
the house after watching that movie.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
And now was that, well, maybe I kind of let
my guard DOWNE got scared. I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (27:46):
What weird occurrents happened.

Speaker 11 (27:48):
Oh that was when I really wanted to watch dep Ster.
It came on Sunday night and I was like, God,
I was gonna be really good. Absolutely wanted to watch it.
I'm all like excited to watch it. I said down
to watch it, and then I start getting really tired,
and I'm like, oh great, I.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Might be coming down at something.

Speaker 11 (28:09):
So I went to bad and then something started to
materialize and I could see it kind of forming, but
it was like a milky color, and I just remember
telling it, oh great, if you want to get my energy,

(28:30):
I don't have any, so good luck with that. And
I wasn't at all like scared. I was just felt
like something was trying to get my energy, which I
don't really have much of, and so then in the
morning it's chaos. There's like boots everywhere and the clothes everywhere.

Speaker 4 (28:52):
It was like, I can't take your energy, but I
will take your wardrobe. I will go shopping.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
I liked it I do this. I'm like, nah, I
couldn't have done this. And I didn't hear anything.

Speaker 4 (29:04):
And you don't think it was any spirit you knew,
like you like, I don't know. You could have pissed
somebody off, like oh, she doesn't want to hear from psychic.

Speaker 11 (29:14):
I went to a psychic because it was so unusual,
and I'm like, did I do this in my sleep?

Speaker 2 (29:21):
Did I wake up and try?

Speaker 4 (29:22):
Like?

Speaker 7 (29:22):
Why would I do this?

Speaker 2 (29:23):
It made no sense.

Speaker 4 (29:24):
What psychic did you go to?

Speaker 11 (29:27):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (29:27):
As that Serenity?

Speaker 11 (29:28):
Now, okay, they always had, you know, somebody or other.
And I went there and she said, oh, okay, you
know what happened was you were sitting there and an
entity noticed.

Speaker 4 (29:42):
You and noticed you from across the room.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
I just noticed me. It passed by and it noticed me.
I'm like, okay, great, what and then she gave me
a remedy then and I don't remember what it was.
It was something or other. I don't remember what it was.
But yeah, I don't have a lot, so we're not

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getting very far with that.

Speaker 4 (30:09):
A lot of weird stuff happened in the Duneaton house, though, that.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
Was just that was just weird stuff.

Speaker 11 (30:15):
On top of weird stuff, doors opening, not closing, but
actually opening for no reason.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
That was just that house was I had so many portals,
and I was gonna see his father.

Speaker 4 (30:28):
What happened to him? I thought nothing happened to him there.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Oh, stuff happened all the time. He used to see
stuff in front of his bed. He would blame me.

Speaker 11 (30:36):
And I've never heard this, what are you talking about
the students? And then his students blame me too.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
The uh he said he would see an old lady
and he didn't.

Speaker 11 (30:52):
He just told me about the old lady and seeing
stuff and stuff waking him up at night like and
that's I feel like that's him and Grandpa's green.

Speaker 13 (31:00):
Him and his dad had some kind of sleep paralysis.

Speaker 4 (31:04):
Because that was one thing that would scare the crap
out of me When Grandpa Screema would tell us that
a leprechaun used to sit on his chest when he
was sleeping, because he didn't seem like the liar type
or the type to exaggerate.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
But he said it only happened in that house, in
one particular house they lived in in Grutchy.

Speaker 11 (31:25):
It was only that one house that they had moved to,
and he had those experiences.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
Grandma's scream was not moved. She didn't appear she did.

Speaker 4 (31:34):
They gave her shit. They were like, yeah, that's the
least of your problems, foal, I'll give you something to
be scared of.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
Pretty much. That was a child whatever.

Speaker 4 (31:45):
I do remember Dad saying he had experiences at the
Garfield Heights house when we were still living in the
suburbs of Cleveland.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
He told me about that after after we moved out.

Speaker 4 (31:57):
Well, it was all kind of around attic in the
basement there.

Speaker 11 (32:02):
Well, he was shoved down the stairs while walking down
the basement and he said that, and you know, you
know how strong he is. He's not easy to push.

Speaker 13 (32:14):
No, he's not like us who just we fall over
like ourselves.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
No, he's pretty.

Speaker 4 (32:20):
He's a bull, a bowl of a man, he is.

Speaker 11 (32:24):
And he said that he had to hold onto the
rail because it was it was a force. He said
it was a force, and it really tried to push
him down, and there was nobody there.

Speaker 4 (32:36):
I have never seen anything like what I saw when
we moved into the Garfield Heights house.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
Yeah, you were so little. Sorry, And.

Speaker 4 (32:46):
So we move in nineteen ninety nineteen ninety three, No
to the Garfield Heights house.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Oh, Garfield Heights, honey, Okay, I'm sorry, Yeah, that was
I know.

Speaker 4 (32:58):
We didn't move to Florida.

Speaker 11 (33:00):
It was nineteen eighty nine, so I was still four four. Yeah,
it was just before the New year, so it was
very very late in eighty nine.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
I think it was. We may have moved in November December.

Speaker 4 (33:15):
The only time I remember visiting the house before we
moved in, people were still living there and I was
really confused, and I was like, We're not gonna have
to live with like all these people, and like they're.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
Eighteen ten kids, right, And so we.

Speaker 4 (33:29):
Move in and then what do I start telling you?

Speaker 11 (33:32):
Oh, when you saw the colors, when you saw you
saw shapes and colors, and is.

Speaker 13 (33:37):
That just how I described it?

Speaker 2 (33:39):
No, you were just really distraught and you would say
they're everywhere, They're everywhere, and you would just like be really, oh, no,
they're everywhere.

Speaker 11 (33:47):
They're everywhere, And then you would tell me what you'd see,
and I'd tell you there was nothing there. And then
we went to the eye doctor and I said, I
think they might be after images, because she then it's
all but it's only in that room, room in that house,
and you never she never mentioned it before. But he
didn't see a problem such a vision.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Was fine, Yeah, that's.

Speaker 4 (34:09):
What you would tell me. And then it was like
really confusing because I didn't understand how you couldn't see them.
But I just remember you being being down in the
basement with you when you were doing laundry, and there
were just these gigantic blobs of color flying around the
room everywhere, and I would thinking to myself, I was like,
you know, Menia, No, No, have a basement. Grandma and

(34:31):
Grandpa have a basement, and I don't see anything like
that in their basement.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
I tried, I tried to keep you out. I didn't
like you coming down there.

Speaker 4 (34:40):
You weren't on your horror kick yet.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
Then no, no, But I obviously I did not see
any of that. I didn't see any.

Speaker 4 (34:49):
Did you think it was supernatural at all?

Speaker 2 (34:51):
I thought something. I thought something.

Speaker 11 (34:55):
Sometimes I would get strange feelings, but you can't really
go A feeling is not not a concrete.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Thing, you know.

Speaker 11 (35:03):
I would get it felt like the atmosphere in the
room would change, or the hair in my arm would stand.

Speaker 4 (35:10):
Up, like the feeling like you're not alone, like there's
something else there.

Speaker 11 (35:14):
Yeah, like something, or you get that prickly feeling or
suddenly just like the air would change.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
I don't know how to describe it.

Speaker 4 (35:23):
So another experience I had there, and it's very blurry
in my mind, but there was upstairs in the attic
there was kind of like a closet. There was some
kind of other room in there. It was like a
big open space, but there was some kind of closet
you had.

Speaker 11 (35:37):
To have many there were the cubby holes, and then
there was a big storage or a big closet like
a walking close.

Speaker 4 (35:43):
The cubby holes were like built in. It's like built
in cabinets.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Yes, yes.

Speaker 4 (35:47):
And then so do you know when I were playing
up there, because we would just get bored. It was
winter and we saw something in the closet, like some
kind of darkness, something that freaked us both out, and
we ran down like the little foyer of stairs, and
that door didn't lock, but we could not get out,

(36:09):
and we were freaking out.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
Just like I remember hearing his scream and I was
just right there. I opened the door and you guys
were telling me about it and you were both really
freaked out.

Speaker 4 (36:19):
Yeah, so that was like that for me too, was
like that was when I started kind of trying to process, like, so,
what the hell is going on here? Like why are
there things that can't after explained?

Speaker 2 (36:33):
After we moved out, your father told me that, you know,
in the attic, in the.

Speaker 11 (36:37):
Little cubby holes, you know, he used to write all
those articles and for they were like.

Speaker 4 (36:42):
Crawl spaces kind of yeah, the crawl space.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
They were really nice though.

Speaker 22 (36:47):
They were all handmade uh huh, beautiful doors and it
wasn't it.

Speaker 11 (36:51):
It wasn't creepy in anyway because everything was new. The
man that lived there before us was a carpenter. He
refinished the whole thing.

Speaker 4 (36:58):
Oh I thought that that was like the original architecture.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Of the house.

Speaker 20 (37:01):
No, no, no, he did that.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
He did that for his children because child he had.

Speaker 11 (37:05):
There were so many kids with you have like sixteen
kids you got, yeah, they did, They had like ten.

Speaker 4 (37:10):
I think there were like ten there were a lot
They had bunk beds and stuff up there.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. So he kept his his articles and
things like that in that in the cubby holes.

Speaker 11 (37:22):
And he was in there and he you know, there
was still some light he could see, and he was
getting his stuff out again, his books out, he said,
and all of a sudden it went dark. And he
said that there was just a ton of stuff had
gotten piled up against the opening of that cubby hole
because he hadn't closed it.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
It didn't close because there was a sliding like door,
uh huh, and that was still open, but it was
just he said, there were just all kinds of books,
and then a bunch of chairs, and then something else.
And he said he had to kick his way out.

Speaker 13 (37:57):
That's nuts. So it was trying to block him in.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
Yeah, something charged to block It's interesting.

Speaker 13 (38:02):
That was ever in that house didn't like him.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
It didn't like him at all. This and he and
I wasn't home. I don't know, you know where I
was at the time, but I wasn't home, and neither
of us were home. So when he was doing doing that,
so he couldn't he said, he looked, can.

Speaker 4 (38:20):
You imagine if we would have done that. Please No,
I mean we're.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
Kind of a prank, but you know, your mind has
to try and that's the thing.

Speaker 4 (38:27):
You try and rationalize it. You try and rationalize it.
But when this stuff happened, when I was seeing the
orbs and everything, and you were getting these bad feelings,
you didn't know about the murder yet.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
No, we just found out. We found that out. Thank thankfully,
I'm so grateful. I didn't know. We didn't find that
out till a day or two before we actually moved.

Speaker 4 (38:50):
And how did you find out that a murder had
occurred in the house.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
But the lady that lived next door, she live there,
where her so she's a widow. She was very sweet.

Speaker 4 (38:59):
The house to the black it wasn't.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
The Radowskis, it was the other the other house.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
It not Walter, but the people, you know, Walter was on.

Speaker 11 (39:09):
The corner, So there was Walter there, Radowski's us. And
then the lady that was waid out and lived there
on around.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
But she was very nice, very sweet lady. She pointed
to a window that had never quite closed properly, and
she said, yeah, they tried to fix that. They tried
to fix that.

Speaker 11 (39:30):
When they redid the bathroom, but they were never able
to close it. It was just such a shame what
happened to that young woman.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
And you know, we didn't know.

Speaker 11 (39:40):
She said, you know about that, right, and I said no,
And she said that there was a young woman who
lived in the home with her boyfriend and he shot
and killed her.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
But it didn't happen in the house. It happened somewhere else,
that's what she told us.

Speaker 4 (39:57):
So and we could never figure out when that happened, entered.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
It out who or what it was. I'm wondering if
maybe she did live in the house, and well.

Speaker 4 (40:06):
How would it be connected to the window, because to me,
it makes it seem like she got shot in that bathroom.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
No, they tried to.

Speaker 11 (40:13):
They redid the bathroom, the bat the bathroom the way
it was according to that.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
I wish I could remember her name, but I can't.
According to her, the they put that that kind of
it was that yucky kind.

Speaker 11 (40:25):
Of fiberglass around and the sliding glass doors. They did that,
they remodeled that bathroom that way. It was that the
people and her boyfriend. Oh, it was the girl and
her boyfriend.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
And when they did it, they tried to they left
the window ajar. It was in the state. They should
have closed it all the way, but they left it ajar,
and you could you couldn't tell when you were in
georgebo outside if you look closely, you could see it
wasn't closed all the way.

Speaker 11 (40:53):
And that's when she pointed pointed out that window was
still like that, and it was because they made a
miss when they remodeled the bathroom.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
The girl and her boyfriend.

Speaker 4 (41:03):
Yeah, I could find like a lot of I couldn't
find Garfield Heights murders for that street for like the
seventies or the eighties, Like in the sixties, there was
a really bad one and there was a little girl
they called kidnapped. There were so many clevelands little girl.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Yeah, I don't you know, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (41:25):
And when Amy, when Amy Mehlovic got kidnapped and murdered,
that was a big news story, right, that was huge.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
That was huge. Well, she was kidnapped, she was missing
for a long time. They didn't find her.

Speaker 13 (41:40):
Yeah, her body was for months.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
It's a long time. And she was friends with one of.

Speaker 11 (41:47):
My cousin's children that lived in East up in Lakewood
and they moved out to Oh what was the name
of that little city.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
I can't think of it right now, but they went
to the same school. So yeah, it was just, oh
my god, what a what a horrible sad story was
that she was.

Speaker 11 (42:08):
Let me look, I can't remember, I can't remember right now,
but somebody her mom.

Speaker 4 (42:15):
Was October of nineteen eighty nine, So it was like
right before we moved into the Garfield Heights house.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
Bay Village, that's what it was, a village.

Speaker 11 (42:22):
That's where that's where they all lived out in Bay Village,
which is really nice.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
It's a nice little it is nice.

Speaker 13 (42:29):
It's nice, way nicer than Garfield Heights.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
Yeah, yeah, Big Village is lovely. It's a lovely little town.

Speaker 4 (42:36):
But yeah, she was ten years old. Someone, so some
guys started calling a bunch of little girls in that
area and telling them that he worked with their mom
and their mom got a promotion and it was a
surprise and he was going to take her to go
pick out a present for her mom. And her friends

(42:56):
actually saw her after school go walk up to a
man and get in his car. The girls who received
all the other girls who received the calls lived in
North Olmstead, so closer to us. Some of them had
unlisted phone numbers. And in two thousand and six it
was revealed that all of the girls had visited which

(43:19):
we went there too, the Lake Erie Nature.

Speaker 13 (43:21):
And Science Center. It was in one of those yeah
can you hear me?

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Yeah, I can hear you.

Speaker 4 (43:25):
So they all went to the Lake Erie Nature and
Science Center and they had a visitor's log book that
the girls signed. But we all went on field trips there.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
So that's right, that's right.

Speaker 11 (43:38):
And these days, like at the LYONCA, if somebody comes
to even asking after a teenager and we can't verify
that it's the parent, we don't give out any information.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
If there is they're there, if.

Speaker 11 (43:52):
They're not there, And then of course, and when the
people that work in the kids zone, in the kids area,
there's a lot of security.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
They have to make sure the photos matchup and the
signature matches, and that is really who the parent of
the child. And of course, day after day you get
to know the parent, You get to see the parents,
so you know the parent.

Speaker 11 (44:13):
But they did they have beefed up security regarding miners
quite a bit just because of all the shit that happened.

Speaker 4 (44:22):
That's another one. I really want to do an episode
on I contacted an author, James Runner, and spoke with
him because he wrote a book about her disappearance. He
was from the same town in Ohio, right, And they
did like have one guy who was a suspect in
twenty eighteen, Robert Ivan Nichols, who was like this identity

(44:44):
thief who killed himself. But then in twenty twenty one,
some sixty four year old man his ex girlfriend came
forward then thirty one years later and was like, he
was suspiciously absent from our home at the time. He
w he lived really close to where it happened, and

(45:04):
he gave like really weird statements to the police saying
that he met Amy's mother, Margaret. But they got his
DNA and he failed a polygraph and they searched like
a storage unit he had and took items from it.
And she was also there was also like a really
distinct homemade shower curtain that she was found with something

(45:27):
like that.

Speaker 23 (45:27):
Oh my god, but that was just like and the
the other thing that happened in Cleveland, that was just
oh my god, how how horribly sad that what was
the little girl's name, Amanda?

Speaker 2 (45:42):
She's scared. She wasn't a little girl. Amanda Barry, young,
Amanda Barry, oh the yeah, yes, yes, and the whole.

Speaker 4 (45:52):
Amanda Barry, Gina DeJesus. And then there was one other
girl who wasn't even refo it.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
Missing what was her name? And all of their sad
Oh my god.

Speaker 4 (46:05):
How Auriel Castro that piece of shit on fucking believable.
Michelle Knight was the other one, and.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
He pretended to look for the girls. Now, Sylvia, Sylvia Brown, Yeah, I.

Speaker 4 (46:19):
Have that in my psychics episode, my Psychics and Scammers episode.

Speaker 11 (46:24):
When the when when the Amanda Berry's mother asked after her?
I mean this, she should have at least given that situation,
offered her a complimentary like reading or something.

Speaker 4 (46:37):
Well, they did so many though they That's the thing
is she would go on those shows and there would
be that wasn't the only person with a missing or
murdered child That she gave an answer with such confidence
about which I just feel like is completely immoral to
do it is that.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
She should that she did that. Now, she got half
of it right. She described the man who to her,
But then she said the girl was.

Speaker 13 (47:01):
Dead and that she was in water.

Speaker 4 (47:03):
Oh I hate.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
I hate it when they're in the water.

Speaker 4 (47:07):
And then, I mean, her mother was so devastated when
that happened. She took down pictures of Amanda and gave
away Amanda's computer, and then she died from She died
within like a year and a couple months after that.

Speaker 11 (47:23):
And then, I mean, how do you say that to
someone and just like say we'll talk after this show.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
She had a ton of money, she was so wealthy
because she would have.

Speaker 4 (47:34):
Had to do it to everyone. Mom, she was like,
that's what I want, That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 13 (47:39):
It's scamming.

Speaker 4 (47:41):
That's why I think she was a scammer, because I
think anyone with those abilities just would not do that.
You wouldn't just use it to make yourself like as
wealthy as possible.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
Said, he's a small, a small Hispanic man took her.
He's small, he has dark hair.

Speaker 4 (47:59):
She just I don't know if she did that. I
don't know if you remember listen to.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
Correctly, she described him perfectly, listened to.

Speaker 18 (48:06):
It is, in fact right, It's one thing to psychic
predicting love or the lack thereof.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Can you tell me where my love life's going?

Speaker 3 (48:15):
Nowhere?

Speaker 18 (48:17):
But there's nothing funny when it comes to predicting life
or death.

Speaker 14 (48:22):
She's going, honey, gonna where she is at in the
house or under the house.

Speaker 18 (48:27):
In that case, Psychic Sylvia Brown was right, but now
she's under attack.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
What a horrible human being for being wrong about this girl.

Speaker 18 (48:40):
Almost nine years ago, Amanda Barry's mom went on the
Montel Williams Show, where residents psychic Sylvia Brown spoke of
Amanda don't.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Take all over her yeah in heaven.

Speaker 18 (48:51):
On the other side, the w MMS Morning Show in
Cleveland re enacted the transcript. Host read the part of
the psychic.

Speaker 3 (48:59):
I hate this when they're in water.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
She's not alive, Honey, not alive. And who's this?

Speaker 4 (49:05):
I've been and I've been not for ten years and
I'm here, I'm for right now.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
Amanda's see.

Speaker 4 (49:12):
I don't think she said anything about the day she did.

Speaker 11 (49:15):
They're just they're selectively playing. They're not playing the whole thing.
So you have to go back and find out find
what exactly. Yes, because she did say that she described him,
which makes which makes me think she was just lazy.

Speaker 4 (49:29):
It makes me think she wasn't psychic.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
You have to listen to her describe him. I don't
know if she was psychic or not, but she described him.

Speaker 4 (49:37):
But and Amanda Barry watched that on television. In her book,
she talks about it. She was watching, she watched her
mom on the show, and she was sitting in bed, chained,
shackled in bed, screaming, no, that's not right. I'm alive,
which is just freaking.

Speaker 13 (49:53):
And then the con already.

Speaker 4 (49:54):
Killed himself in prison.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
Yeah, place of shit.

Speaker 13 (49:57):
I hope he's in hell.

Speaker 4 (49:59):
That's why. I hope that there's there's a hell. But
that is like scarier than any freaking horror movie. They
made a lifetime movie about it. Tarren Manning plays Michelle
Knight in it, and I couldn't even watch it because
it was so upsetting.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
No, I couldn't.

Speaker 11 (50:16):
I remember that they did make a film. I couldn't
watch it either. It's just the way he tortured those girls.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
And he was kinder to Amanda for some reason.

Speaker 11 (50:24):
He was he was, and he just absolutely tortured, tormented
the other girls.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
He got them pregnant, and just Michelle.

Speaker 4 (50:34):
Knight, well, Amanda Barry had his baby, she had his
baby there. Gina Dehesus never got pregnant. Michelle Knight. He
like forced her to miss Carrie like five times, and
she had developmental disabilities, so she really struggled. She really struggled.
Knew he thought she was younger. She didn't know him.

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She met a Dollar General store and he told her
he had puppies. Gina DeJesus knew him. Gina Dejeesus was
friends with his daughters.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
Who was the one that needed that had a child
and had to go to court.

Speaker 4 (51:10):
Michelle Knight, but she just met her at a store
at a Dollar General and she was on the way
to court for a custody hearing about her son, and
he told her his dog just had puppies. She was like, well,
I really have to go. I have a to go
to court. She was walking. He offered her a ride,
but he said first we'll go and we'll get a
puppy and we'll give it to your son. And they

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went upstairs into a room and there was no puppy,
and then he hung her from the ceiling for like
three days and raped her. And that he knew was
friends with the big kind of friends with the parents
and really helped to look for was Gina Dejeesus, and
he took her by mistake. He thought he was taking
a different girl when he kidnapped her. Piece of shit.

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And he was a school bus driver.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
It was a bus driver. He probably they I'm sure
they did a they did a search and he had
no on yournil No.

Speaker 13 (52:02):
But yeah, he wasn't a bus driver.

Speaker 24 (52:04):
He was.

Speaker 4 (52:05):
I'm pretty sure he was a school bus driver. I
don't think he was like a MTA whatever they call
it in Cleveland.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (52:13):
But and then the other big case really from that time,
even though it wasn't I mean years and years earlier,
for me, was just always Adam Walsh. And I don't
know why that impacted me so much. I don't know
if it was the America's most wanted tie in. I
don't know if it's because I had my grandmother telling me, I.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
Think you were so little at the time. You were
just so little at the time. I think that's what
it was.

Speaker 9 (52:39):
It was.

Speaker 4 (52:39):
I mean, it was one of the most famous missing
kid cases though, like ever also.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
Yeah, absolutely absolutely.

Speaker 4 (52:46):
And I mean it happened before I was born. Adam
Walsh was nineteen eighty one.

Speaker 11 (52:51):
You know, there are just so many and that the
tragedies and they pile up, and they pile up, and
they pile up.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
Kind of after a while, it's just it becomes like
this horrible blur. Yeah, and I couldn't remember. I didn't.
I don't remember if it was in the later in
the eighties.

Speaker 4 (53:09):
Or because it lingered and it went unsolved and then
his dad had America's Most Wanted nineteen eighty three is
when that movie Adam came out, and then that played
in like syndication for years.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
Yeah, the stories just never end. They just never ends.

Speaker 4 (53:28):
It's horrifying, worse than any found footage, honestly, worse than
any found footage.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
Yeah. I mean that's why all this stuff, because Adam
was young.

Speaker 4 (53:36):
He was like six years old, yes.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
And he was with his mother, and he just did
what all kids do. How many times do we take
the kids to the wall, or what you would do
when you would hide in the acts? Jesus, she didn't.

Speaker 4 (53:49):
She told him to. She told him to play with
the toys so she could pick out a vacuum cleaner.
He didn't even wander from her. She left him there.
She knew exactly where he was. He didn't wander from her.
When she went back, he was gone.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
Oh my god, I said, he wandered from her.

Speaker 4 (54:04):
No, they went to sears, entering through the north entrance.
His mom intended to acquire about a lamp that was
on sale and left Adam at a kiosk with an
Atari twenty six hundred video game on display, where several
other boys were taking turns playing. Revey completed her business
in the lamp department around twelve fifteen. She said that

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she returned to find that Adam and the other boys disappeared.
A store manager informed her that a scuffle had broken
out over whose turn it was at the kiosk, and
a security guard demanded that the boys leave this store
if the security guard asked the older boys if their
parents were in this store, and they said they were not.
Airtnam's parents later conjectured that their son had been too

(54:46):
shy to speak to the security guard, who presumed that
he was in the company of the other boys and
made him leave by the same door which the boys
had entered this year's west entrance. His parents believed that
after the boys dispersed, he was left alone out side
the store at an exit unfamiliar to him.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
Does it say how long all this time? Took how
long it took.

Speaker 4 (55:06):
Ten minutes, less than ten minutes from like twelve o
seven to twelve fifteen pm. Wow, But they didn't call
nine one one until one fifty five, So.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
This is twenty twenty five.

Speaker 11 (55:20):
If something similar happened in a store, there aren't very
very many stores locked around.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
But say something similar happened and there were a bunch of.

Speaker 11 (55:31):
Kids and they were just horsing around and making a scuffle,
and they called the security guard.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
What was a security guard too?

Speaker 4 (55:39):
It truly depends. The security guard would probably be a
kid himself. Like security guards have less power now. They
can't even stop you if you're like shoplifting. That's what
they have to up.

Speaker 13 (55:48):
All these places have to have like armed guards. But
I don't think it would be that different.

Speaker 11 (55:53):
He would just kick them out of the store. Even
if they were obviously very young.

Speaker 4 (55:57):
They were older boys. They were like preteens. They weren't
like eight, they were like thirteen. Okay, I'm pretty sure
they were like.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
Like I thought, maybe they were just a little bit
older than him. I didn't realize they were teens.

Speaker 4 (56:13):
I think they were like not like teen puberty teenagers.
But the rambunctious twelve to fourteen age group, and in
nineteen eighty one, that was like being an adult. So yeah,
and I mean even after Adam Walsh though, it's not
like you guys had the wherewithal to keep track of us.
No offense, but we rode our bikes alone. We just

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did so much alone.

Speaker 13 (56:38):
That was just the norm.

Speaker 4 (56:40):
Still. Yeah, I know, like we all knew about stranger danger.
And then when you and I started watching Oprah all
the time, that's when I started to realize, Well, it
wasn't stranger danger you had to be as worried about.
It was like your coaches and your teachers and your
parents' friends.

Speaker 11 (56:55):
And they did and they did that experiment on Oprah
where they had they planted somebody.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
With the puppy were at a park.

Speaker 4 (57:06):
Yeah, and the guy has a puppy.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
He lured every single one of them away.

Speaker 11 (57:10):
And the thing was, when you say stranger they pictured
like somebody scary, like a monster, like a grotesque figure.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
And this was just a guy.

Speaker 4 (57:20):
Yeah. And he was charismatic, he was younger, and he
was like, I lost my dog. Can you help me
find my dog?

Speaker 11 (57:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (57:27):
The other one that really really just scared the crap
out of me. Was Polycloss, Yes, because she was kidnapped
from a sleepover in her own freaking house. That's the
one where I would scare the shit out of everybody else.
I was older when that happened. We'd already moved to Florida,
because that was like the fall of nineteen ninety three,

(57:50):
and she was older. She was twelve, which isn't old,
it's still a child. But and she wasn't found for
months either. And you know that guy was stopped by
the police that night, Richard Allen Davis.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
Oh my god, I didn't know that.

Speaker 4 (58:04):
So he kidnaps her from the house. He's like wasted
out of his mind. He breaks into the home, gets
a like has like a kitchen knife from their house.
He told the girls that he was only there for money.
He ties them up, puts pillowcases over their heads, and
tells him to count to one thousand, and he takes Polly.

(58:25):
The girls immediately when he's gone, untie themselves and they
tell Polly's.

Speaker 13 (58:30):
Mom that that had happened.

Speaker 4 (58:33):
So that night, like they're in Pennluma, California, which was
like pretty rural at the time, and the guy who
killed her. Is driving around and he is doing god
knows what to this girl. He gets his car stuck
in a driveway and there was either a babysitter or

(58:54):
someone house sitting and trying to remember how the whole
the whole thing goes. But they the police are called
and he's investigated by the police that night, but he
had moved her.

Speaker 13 (59:08):
Body to the bushes.

Speaker 4 (59:10):
She was still alive. He would never give any details
about what happened. But he moved her to the bushes.
She's still alive, and all of that's happening while the
police are there, so they came so close to finding her.
But he would never disclose what happened to her. But
that's how he ended up being caught, is they And
then he like also had like created such outrage because

(59:35):
when he was he taunted her family and then he
the only thing he would say is he said that
Amy's last or Polly's last words. Just before he killed her,
she said, please don't do to me what my father does.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
Please don't do me like man Gaddy.

Speaker 24 (59:51):
Yeah, I remember that he said that in court, and
that poor man jumped over. They should have just let
him kill him. They should have just let him kill him.
They truly should have. I just have thought that so
many times in court. They should have just let that
guy just pounds on him like suck the police.

Speaker 13 (01:00:09):
They should have just been like, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
He's just standing there smirking. I mean, he was out.
They executed him. But to my understanding, they did execute him.

Speaker 13 (01:00:17):
I think he's still alive.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
I thought they, Oh my god, I know he's he was.

Speaker 4 (01:00:22):
Put on death row in nineteen ninety six. But I'll
let's see, was he killed in president No, he's fucking
still alive.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
I'm kidding.

Speaker 4 (01:00:31):
No, he's seventy one years old, still on death row. Yeah,
went with This is just from Wikipedia. Within hours of kidnapping,
in a rural area of Santa Rosa, about twenty miles
north of Pataluma, a babysitter on her way home noted
a suspicious vehicle stuck in a ditch on her employer's
private driveway. She phoned the property owner to decided to

(01:00:51):
leave with her daughter. As she drove down the long
driveway to Pythian Road, the owner passed Davis. She called
nine one one when she got to a service station,
and two deputies were dispatched on the calls. The deputies
did not know of the kidnappings due to the suspects
description due to Sonoma Valley units being on like whatever
channel radio they were on. The deputies ran Davis's license

(01:01:14):
plate a driver's license, but they came back with no warrants.
The deputies tried to convince the property owner to perform
as citizens arrest for trespassing. Under California law, a civilian
may arrest make an arrest for this type of misdemeanor.
The property owner would have to go to the car
with the deputies and say I arrest you. The deputies

(01:01:35):
then would have had taken Davis into custody, but the
property owner refused. The deputies called for a tow truck
to get Davis's card of the ditch. They searched it
throughly before the arrival of the tow truck and did
not find any evidence of anyone else in the car.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
So why had the foresight to move around?

Speaker 4 (01:01:55):
Yeah? A review of calls in the area the day
of the kidnap napping turned up the contact the Davis,
who had only been identified because both deputies had filled
out and filed the f I card. Once the identity
of Davis was revealed his palm print at the scene
of the kidnappings was also traced to him. Authorities had
been unable to match the partial print earlier due to

(01:02:15):
the poor quality of the print. But just a horror.
So those definitely definitely scarier than than.

Speaker 13 (01:02:24):
All than all the found footage.

Speaker 4 (01:02:27):
But are there any other found footage movies you ever
found to be scary?

Speaker 11 (01:02:31):
I can't think of any other than the first paranormal activity.

Speaker 4 (01:02:37):
The one that the paranormal The activity that scared me
the most was the one with the little girls.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
That was really good. It didn't scare me, just that
first one did. The third one did not.

Speaker 4 (01:02:46):
Which was that the second or the third one? That
was the third one where it's like the eighties.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
Yeah, it was a prequel. It was a preticati.

Speaker 4 (01:02:56):
Yeah. The second one was the one with the German shepherd.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
I think, yes, yes, it was.

Speaker 11 (01:03:01):
It was also a type of prequel to the first
one because they were alive.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
Katie and Nika Micah whoever they were there.

Speaker 4 (01:03:10):
Yeah, it was. It was like kind of like took
place at the same time. Yes, yes, because Katie too
was up and she steals the baby.

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
That happened at the end of the movie.

Speaker 4 (01:03:21):
Yeah, and then the third one girl, that part was
that was that was good.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
The housekeeper was trying to protect them. The housekeeper knew
something was.

Speaker 4 (01:03:30):
There, and they kicked her out.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
They kicked her out because she was just like, this
is now, this is unacceptable and you can't be doing this.

Speaker 4 (01:03:37):
And well, good for her that she got out of
there at least, because the rest of them died.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
That's right, that's right, that's a good point.

Speaker 4 (01:03:44):
One that scared the crap out of me that everyone
hated and made fun of was Cloverfield.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
Now, Cloverfield was really good.

Speaker 4 (01:03:52):
I thought it was really good too. I was living
in New York when it came out and my friend
Jamie and I saw it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
And it's the clover Field Cloverfield Paradox.

Speaker 4 (01:04:01):
The oh, the one with John Goodman. No, no, that's
not that's the clover Field Lane or whatever. The Cloverfield
Paradox is the one with the they're an outer space
and everything exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Yeah, and something happens, and it was the reason that
happened was had something to do with a new source
of energy and they were trying out a new I
can't remember what it was. But it had just been
built and it created that type of just whatever it was,

(01:04:32):
it happened.

Speaker 4 (01:04:33):
Did you see Grave Encounters, the one where they go
it's like a fake ghost hunter's crew and they spend
the night in an abandoned mental institution.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
I may have.

Speaker 13 (01:04:44):
I loved that one too.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
But the other one it's not a found footage. It's
not a found footage though Grave Dancers. That was good,
but it's not found footage, so never mind.

Speaker 4 (01:04:54):
And then the other one I really like. I like
all the ones with the fake TV cruise is the
one I made you watch with Goren that her boyfriend's
name is Goren and it there it's called They're watching
and it's the HGTV House Renovation Show and they go
to Moldova. What happens in Moldova's stays in Moldova. So

(01:05:16):
it was kind of funnier too. It was like funny
and you just really don't think anything's gonna happen, and
the town people think that there's a witch. But there
was also like one that was like it's like a
seafood festival. It was called the Bay and there's like
a fast reality bacteria. So I like all the ones

(01:05:37):
that like start out really subtle and kind of feel
like something that could really happen, and then the shit
just hits the fan.

Speaker 11 (01:05:48):
I hope they do another closefield, because they kind of
tend to explain a little bit more in each one.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
In each one.

Speaker 4 (01:05:55):
Yeah, well it kind of ended with like monsters being
all over the earth because they created like multiple timelines
or something. I don't know. I don't remember, I won't
it's kind of above my head.

Speaker 13 (01:06:05):
Honestly.

Speaker 11 (01:06:06):
They didn't really explain what what happened when they launched
that the new source of energy. Okay, no, it's not
a black hole. I can't remember.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
I have to rewatch it.

Speaker 4 (01:06:20):
So yeah, some kind of paradox happens. Yes, Yes, And
then this summer you and I went we watched We
watch a lot of scary movies together, but this summer
we watched a bunch of old made for TV movies.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
Yes we did. The Smirls are going to be the
new the Smirls or the new food is it?

Speaker 4 (01:06:41):
The conjuring is about the smirl family, I know. And
then I see people doing like promotions for it on
TikTok and they're like, this is the most upsetting true
haunting I've ever heard of, and it's like, you should
see what actually happened to these people, because it's snooze best.

(01:07:01):
I mean, they did the same thing with the Haunting
in Connecticut, though they exaggerated so much. They exaggerate the
whole story so much.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
Ridiculous for the movie. Oh yeah, they just kind of
made it ridiculous, the little the demand that that happened to.

Speaker 4 (01:07:19):
Most of it was Haunting in Connecticut. Yes, centered around
a young man who had cancer.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
Had cancer, uh huh, and they had to move closer
to the uh to the clinic to the hospital, and
they found that they found the home and the rout
was was affordable, and.

Speaker 11 (01:07:39):
They set the boys up in the basement and they
started seeing these shadows. So he has since passed away,
that's sad. Yeah, he has since passed away. But you
know his brother said, just till the end, they knew
what really happened.

Speaker 4 (01:07:55):
And I would haunt the ship out of everybody if
I died of cancer and they made me into a
horror movie. Just giving you all the heads up. Now,
just haunt the hell and of everyone. I mean, I
would love to haunt the hell out of everyone to
anybody anyway.

Speaker 13 (01:08:10):
That's just kind of my character.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
To certain people. I think I have a list.

Speaker 11 (01:08:18):
And probably people I haven't actually ever met in person,
but trying to think.

Speaker 4 (01:08:23):
Of like other ones that really there were some other
movies that did really scare us over over time. But honestly,
it's funny how sometimes like trailers and promotions and things
like that end up being the scariest parts.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
Yeah, that is funny. That is funny because that's when
you can really use your imagination.

Speaker 13 (01:08:46):
Definitely.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
Sometimes that's when it comes.

Speaker 11 (01:08:48):
It comes ridiculous, when it's really over the top and
there's the corporeal spirit and it's wielding wielding you know,
blades and.

Speaker 4 (01:08:57):
Yeah, yes, and just eating mayhem or like knowledge. Well,
I think that's why slasher movies kind of went out,
Like you had like the big era of Scream and
I know what you did last summer and all those
movies where it's just like all these teenagers being violently stabbed,
and then we transition into like the Paranormal Act and

(01:09:18):
even like the Friday the thirteenth and Halloween and like
these just unstoppable killers with a knife taking everybody out
that walk so slowly and still end up killing everyone
that are just unstoppable, and then you change to like
these unseen forces. And that's where it's really easy to

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use your imagination if it's something that you can't see,
because everyone always hears a sound, you always hear a noise,
or sometimes it's like a shadow person like what you
have in your your current home.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
Well, yeah, you know haven't Well, yeah, I really.

Speaker 4 (01:10:00):
Trying not to not to antagonize it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
Yeah, I really don't want to.

Speaker 11 (01:10:07):
And I feel bad for Spike, for Spike sees it
and I always sees it, and then we've seen it.

Speaker 4 (01:10:12):
Well, yeah, it like it is like nine feet tall.
When was the first time you saw it?

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
You saw it.

Speaker 4 (01:10:18):
I was the first one to see it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
Of course you were, oh my god, when you were
here for Christmas.

Speaker 11 (01:10:25):
Yeah, and you said you were like, wait a minute,
what's that and you walked in the hallway.

Speaker 4 (01:10:33):
I tried chasing it down, yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:10:37):
And you didn't really And I didn't think anything of
it until we were sitting in the living room and
I saw it, Trent. It was like it was outside
and it wanted to come back.

Speaker 4 (01:10:48):
It stuck its head around the corner and it was
like nine feet tall.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
It wanted to come inside. It was in this by
the sliding lost doors. Uh huh. I yelled at it
and told it to get the fuck out of here.

Speaker 4 (01:11:00):
And then the last time I saw it is when
we were all watching TV and Spike started looking around
all craze and it sat in the chair.

Speaker 11 (01:11:09):
This was when I tried to do the exorcism with
the that that lady told us from sir.

Speaker 4 (01:11:14):
Yeah, and I walked, we should have gotten a refund
for that, and.

Speaker 11 (01:11:18):
I told it and I was just I started talking
to it and I told it that we were just
going to go live our lives and we were.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
Gonna watch TV and we were going to watch this show.

Speaker 4 (01:11:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
And I don't know why I told it that, because
then it came to watch the show with us.

Speaker 4 (01:11:32):
Maybe it's just lonely. I kind of feel bad for it.
It seems like pathetic for a shadow person.

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
Oh no, no, no, no, no, we don't.

Speaker 4 (01:11:40):
We don't. I know you you you always say that
like that we can't give them power and all of
this by talking to them. I don't really believe that.
I personally just don't cause I don't know. I just
don't think it could. I don't think it's a demon.
I still don't believe in demons. I think that's where
we did for other than like living demons on earth

(01:12:03):
right now.

Speaker 13 (01:12:03):
I think they're all here with us in human.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
Form, that's for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:12:08):
Kidnapping kids and doing the occasional genocide, yeah, doing all that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
But I don't know. It just seems like something that
doesn't belong in this realm.

Speaker 4 (01:12:22):
Well obviously not, but it just kind of that one
just kind of seems like kind of like MOPy and lonely,
like I'm gonna hang around the corner. I'm gonna stay.
I don't like that. It's scares Spike. I don't like
that it scares the dog. But he doesn't growl.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
He did, he growled and he barked at it.

Speaker 4 (01:12:39):
And at that house, he thought he growled at something
in the dun Eden house.

Speaker 11 (01:12:43):
Oh, that was when the door opened. We didn't we
didn't see anything. That's just upstairs.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
The door to that bedroom was firmly closed.

Speaker 11 (01:12:51):
It was just we kept it shut, and it just
all of a sudden, just we heard the knob turn
and the door opened.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
He heard it, you know, And you.

Speaker 4 (01:12:59):
Were by yourself with Spike. I had sawyer.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
Yeah, yeah, and he reacted to that for sure, and uh,
I saw that door open.

Speaker 4 (01:13:09):
The first thing that one of the first things that
happened for me in that house was it wasn't even
one of the first things. I was already like a
in like seventh grade or something. But my radio turned
on in the middle of the night and just kept
getting louder and louder, and I was so freaked out.
I went and woke you and Dad up, and you
guys were like you were dreaming, and I was like, oh,
fucking great, wonderful. No, I know, yeah, I know, but

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why do you think we like being scared?

Speaker 11 (01:13:37):
It takes us out of our reality of what we
should really be scared of.

Speaker 13 (01:13:43):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
It gives you like a control.

Speaker 11 (01:13:45):
Plant the planet, what's happening, what the food we eat,
the air we breathe, the way people treat each.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
Other, what's going on in the rest of the world.
It weighs on me, you know.

Speaker 11 (01:13:58):
It's it's off, it's space does so when you have
and when we're like, oh, yeah, we're.

Speaker 2 (01:14:03):
Just gonna little buddy and let's watch those.

Speaker 11 (01:14:07):
Scary That guy in Portland with that thing that he
has in his house and we're like, oh.

Speaker 16 (01:14:11):
Yeah, look at that guy.

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
He's from Portland, he said. We don't know if he's
from Portland.

Speaker 4 (01:14:16):
But that guy was such an Oregonian. A TikTok video
and it's just a man opening his just space door.

Speaker 25 (01:14:24):
Black mask, his golden retriever is losing his ship and
the guy's like, all right, little buddy, not today, I've
got some work to do. That's what the federal troops
are going to be up is, come on, not today,
I've really got to work.

Speaker 4 (01:14:40):
And it's like getting bigger and bigger, just a black
mass that keeps growing yep.

Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
And it's just like, oh my god, yes, I think
we saw that.

Speaker 4 (01:14:49):
On like Lowly Lane or so we did see it
on the Lowy Lane compilation.

Speaker 11 (01:14:54):
Whoa you know, just things like that. It takes you
out of your reality, like there's another reality. There's something else,
and if there can be that out, there could be
something else. There can be you know, because everything is
ying and yang.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
Yeah, so it's like doesn't exist with that the other
So it's kind of like there can be good too,
there can be angels and there can be good.

Speaker 4 (01:15:16):
That's why I always say. I played by Stephen King rules,
because then if there's something evil, that means there has
to be something that's good, that's stronger, that can destroy it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
Yeah, there you go, There you go.

Speaker 22 (01:15:29):
So I love his books so much, And the underdogs
are always to heroes who you don't expect to be.
The heroes are the heroes.

Speaker 4 (01:15:38):
Did you finish watching The Institute?

Speaker 24 (01:15:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:15:41):
Yeah, I didn't like how it ended.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
That's pretty much how it ended in the book.

Speaker 9 (01:15:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:15:48):
Are you gonna watch Welcome to Dairy. I think that's
when it's fall bad.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
Yes, I can't wait, of course.

Speaker 4 (01:15:54):
Yeah, I'm going to be in Kansas City when it
comes out. But I sent the link to James.

Speaker 11 (01:16:00):
I guess we get that free free HBO. Now if
they interrupted every five minutes with a ten minute long commercial,
but what the hell, it's free.

Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
Right, So I'll take anything I can get through your
h OA.

Speaker 4 (01:16:14):
The thing I set up for you, yeah yeah, And
I never.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
Would have been able to do it without you. I
thought it it would have been impossible. So thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:16:22):
Setting stuff up for you is truly that's like my
found footage. That's my found footage. Hours when I have
to set it up for you and you're like so
I use I use the government email and then I
give them my social Security number and your birth certificate.

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
Said that.

Speaker 4 (01:16:41):
That's what it feels like to me.

Speaker 11 (01:16:44):
Always, it feels like, Mom, well, it's it's confusing.

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
I mean, it's just it's all new. We're not tech people.
People at this age, we're not tech people.

Speaker 4 (01:16:56):
And so we have to kind of learn it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
And you know, we're all afraid of computers. We're afraid it.

Speaker 11 (01:17:03):
We might accidentally cause World War three if we push.

Speaker 4 (01:17:06):
The wrong button, right, I mean, somebody is about to
The people leading the government are older than you.

Speaker 3 (01:17:13):
You and dad.

Speaker 13 (01:17:13):
In ten years you'll be old enough to be presidents.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
There you go push that, they push the wrong button.

Speaker 4 (01:17:21):
But it is a distraction. Like today we were talking
about the Floatilia float.

Speaker 13 (01:17:27):
Tila, how do you say it?

Speaker 4 (01:17:29):
Flotilla flotilla being sieged again, the latest one, and then
it's like we pivotto and then you know they were
just a few hours away from getting there.

Speaker 13 (01:17:44):
I had my phone set and.

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
This is what that's exactly what I do.

Speaker 11 (01:17:48):
I'll watch a ship ton of that till I can't
take it anymore. And I start feeling like I'm going
out of my mind and then I look for ghost stuff. Yeah,
I do for something here, just to calm myself down,
just for something, like, you know, something nice.

Speaker 4 (01:18:04):
Honestly, honestly, it feels like like a like a reprieve.

Speaker 11 (01:18:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:18:11):
But I have an episode coming out tomorrow about Cropsy,
which I don't know if you ever saw that documentary,
and about state mental institutions and mental hospitals and when
they all closed and why they all closed. There was
like a Haraldo special that aired in the seventies and

(01:18:34):
it's kind of about like urban legends, and in Staten Island.
It was this school home called Willow Brook in Staten
Island and it was just kids in their own feces,
throwing their own shit at the walls, just massive amounts
of human suffer suffering.

Speaker 13 (01:18:52):
Heraldo's like a new reporter.

Speaker 4 (01:18:54):
He does this ABC ex pose and eventually the place
gets shut down. But then the people who are there
have nowhere to go, and these rumors start spreading around
Staten Island that there's an of someone who used to
work at the asylum that kidnaps kids, and then the
whole thing turns out to be true. So that's what

(01:19:16):
tomorrow's is that what Cropsy is. That's what Cropsy is.
He's like the Boogeyman.

Speaker 2 (01:19:22):
I have never seen that. So it's a documentary.

Speaker 13 (01:19:25):
It's a documentary.

Speaker 4 (01:19:27):
It's on Prime. But I go over, I go over
all of it, and uh, tomorrow's episode and this episode
that we've been recording for the last hour and twenty
minutes without me telling you comes out on Friday.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
You mean, you're I have to hear my boys.

Speaker 4 (01:19:48):
You can skip it. You can skip it, but you're
you're my guest. I can't tell you when I'm recording
you because then you get weird.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
So I just got it there, I'm weird anyone.

Speaker 4 (01:20:01):
I have to do it without your consent, to diviolate
you would just without my mother's consent. This week on
Broad's next Door.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
That's all right, I kind of you know, it's okay?

Speaker 4 (01:20:16):
Should I call it the screamin ing, Oh please don't
do that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
Oh God, you want to get us killed?

Speaker 3 (01:20:24):
Jeez.

Speaker 4 (01:20:24):
The next thing, you know, we were good.

Speaker 13 (01:20:27):
We were good without knowing that you were being recorded.

Speaker 4 (01:20:30):
We did an excellent job of without saying anything that
would get either of us killed.

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
There was weird stuff going on in the Scream app
in that house as well.

Speaker 4 (01:20:40):
The Grandma and Grandpa's scream of House.

Speaker 11 (01:20:42):
Oh yeah, yeah, Grandma and Grandpa's. David was very very psychic.

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
He was like you. He was attuned, very attuned. I
told you.

Speaker 11 (01:20:50):
About the when he saw the ghost in Saint Augustine
when he was about five, and you and Dino.

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
I don't know if she really did see anything.

Speaker 4 (01:21:01):
I thought David and I saw it, and Dino didn't
see anything.

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
It was the little boy.

Speaker 13 (01:21:06):
Nah, No, I didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:21:08):
See a little boy. I just saw somebody in a
wedding dress.

Speaker 11 (01:21:11):
You said, you told me you saw somebody in a
wedding dress. So this was way back when they they
had the cemetery open.

Speaker 2 (01:21:18):
They've since closed it because people were violating the tombstones.
And David was you guys just went in. You're just
walking up. We could see you.

Speaker 25 (01:21:28):
It's not like we you know, we were David was little,
he was like five years old, and you were were
like perfect age for a ghost tour.

Speaker 11 (01:21:35):
No, it wasn't a ghost tour. We were walking around
on our own. The cemetery was open for people to
walk through. They've since built they've closed it, like I said.

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
Because people were at night any gates. It was it
was dusk, it was starting to be kind of dusk.
It wasn't dark yet. But with Dad, yes, yes, and yeah,
and myself and I know you and we were there.
We were walking around and we could see you guys.

(01:22:10):
And David comes over and he wouldn't let it go.
He keeps there's this little boy. He's following me. He's
following me. He's weird.

Speaker 22 (01:22:18):
I don't like him.

Speaker 2 (01:22:19):
Where is he, David, He's right over there. He's up
in the tree. Don't just see he's in the tree.

Speaker 4 (01:22:24):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
He's looking at me. He's looking at me. He was
so upset, so.

Speaker 11 (01:22:28):
We just I told him, well, they have a lot
of people walking around in costumes.

Speaker 2 (01:22:32):
And we, you know, we walked away. I couldn't see anything.

Speaker 11 (01:22:36):
Fast forward to the year two thousand, your father and
I got you know, I was seeing me the weekend
that time, we did do a ghost tour and we
get to the cemetery portion and the tour director tells
us about one of the most frequently seen spirits in
Saint Augustine.

Speaker 2 (01:22:57):
And he told us a story. I can't remember them,
but it was a little boy and the way that
he described him was exactly the way David described him
to the tea, the way what he was wearing, the
funny clothes, and the way he looked, and what he

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likes to do is sit in the.

Speaker 11 (01:23:22):
Sit in one of the trees and uh, look at
look at the children, and he tries to contact the children.

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
And he told the story. There was a group of
girl Scouts doing a tour and.

Speaker 11 (01:23:35):
One of the little girls started crying because there was
the little boy was stuck in the tree and it
was didn't they didn't They didn't want to leave him there,
and he didn't want to stay there, and no one
could see anything, but the tour directors knew that was
one of the most frequently seen spirits.

Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
And it's what David saw. And we didn't believe him.

Speaker 4 (01:23:56):
No, you guys never believed us about shit. I mean
we did lie a lot, not so much David. But
what happened at this scream of house.

Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
Uncle Tony saw people in that house multiple times.

Speaker 4 (01:24:09):
That that house was a new built They built that
house in the seventies, right the seventies or the eighties,
the late seventies.

Speaker 2 (01:24:18):
That house was built. They moved into the home, I
believe in nineteen eighty, the house was finished and they
moved in a nineteen eighty beautiful home and.

Speaker 4 (01:24:30):
It's like a TV horror horror movie house.

Speaker 1 (01:24:33):
It really is.

Speaker 2 (01:24:34):
The Yeah, just I saw this black lot of stuff
in the bathroom.

Speaker 6 (01:24:40):
I don't know how that was, like smoke or like
somethw it was thick and it was just like in
the and I just wouldn't.

Speaker 4 (01:24:47):
I don't know when you would, when you would do
a little puffing there, puff coke in the bathroom.

Speaker 2 (01:24:53):
No, no, not that bathroom. This was the bathroom in
Graham and Grandpa's bedroom. Oh, I was supposed to the bathroom.

Speaker 4 (01:25:01):
David killed the bathroom. David killed himself in yes, God.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
But mind you, this was like nineteen we were living there,
so it was nineteen eighty one, and I thought, man,
this is weird. This is a new house. What is
all this?

Speaker 11 (01:25:19):
And then it just I looked at it and looked
like it was growing, and it was just like, get
the fuck out of here. I was cleaning because they
were having company.

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
I remember. It might may have been Nini and Nono
coming over. Actually it might have been holiday or something.
It was the only time I ever saw that. But
the hot you know, at the time, I was because
that was goofyar.

Speaker 4 (01:25:38):
I was a little bit, you know, I was afraid
of everything you were in your twenties.

Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
Yeah, I was more sensitive then.

Speaker 4 (01:25:45):
Mm hmm. I was more sensitive in my twenties as
well to fear and things.

Speaker 10 (01:25:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:25:51):
Now it's just kind of like, what are you going
to do? That's what I mean. Like we see some shadows,
person sitting in a chair, it's like you think that
you scare me? Please? Oh honey, oh sweet sweet summer child. Wow,
I'm scared of staying at James's house by myself because

(01:26:12):
it was built in like the the like one hundred
and thirty years ago or something.

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
I don't antagonize and junk.

Speaker 4 (01:26:19):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
I never do.

Speaker 4 (01:26:21):
I don't try and contact it or talk to it
or anything. It's like, that's what I was trying to
tell him.

Speaker 2 (01:26:27):
What about when you had that You had that thing
that was talking.

Speaker 11 (01:26:31):
You had that radio thing and it was talking and
there and I heard the voices coming.

Speaker 4 (01:26:35):
Out, oh my spirit, bok okay, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
That fucking thing and that was scary as fucking shit.

Speaker 4 (01:26:41):
The thing was talking, yes, it was, it was talking.
And now I used that to find a serial killer. Mom,
I was using that for the good.

Speaker 11 (01:26:50):
That was the first time you got scratched, and that
was the first time we saw a little buddy.

Speaker 4 (01:26:56):
So maybe something came through that shouldn't have. But you're right,
you're right about that. But the reason the reason I
got that is because there was an active serial killer
in Portland killing girls. My listeners do not know. So
oh okay, So there was an active serial killer in Portland.

(01:27:20):
And I was talking to the moms and the ants
and the sisters of the victims in this Facebook community
because I was going to have them on the podcast,
and it pissed me off so much that the police
were not calling this guy serial killer because all of
the women's and they didn't until he was indicted by
a grand jury like last month. Then they admitted he

(01:27:42):
was a serial killer. I did do a short episode
on It's Portland serial Killer, but that was when I
downloaded a spirit box because I wanted to try head tapping.
What Alison du bois of the Real Housewives of Beverly
Hills and who was played by what's her name Patricia
our Guet? Yeah, and the show medium That's what she does,

(01:28:03):
is she does head tapping on Serial killers where you
go in and you like intercept, and one of the
ways she said you can do that is with a
spirit box. So that's why I got the spirit box.
And then I thought it was so cool, so I
wanted to show you, and you were having none of it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:23):
It was talking, it's supposed to.

Speaker 4 (01:28:25):
It's the spirit world. It gives them a voice. So
then what happened. We're sitch.

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
They can talk to themselves, and they're no, thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:28:36):
It started growling at me. When I had it in
your room and I was doing it, it started growling
at me and all of that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
Have a lovely time wherever the fu you are just
just like no, no, no, no.

Speaker 4 (01:28:49):
But then what happened. We were sitting on your bed
and what happened?

Speaker 2 (01:28:53):
A big scratch appeared on your life?

Speaker 4 (01:28:55):
Sure did? That was fucking insane of nowhere?

Speaker 2 (01:29:00):
Not that was not normal. That was not good.

Speaker 4 (01:29:03):
Oh is that really the first time the shadow person
showed up? I thought it was like months later.

Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
No, that was the first time.

Speaker 22 (01:29:12):
And then yeah, then it came back.

Speaker 2 (01:29:14):
When when you came back, it came back again.

Speaker 4 (01:29:18):
Well, now it shows up without me being there, so
it's yeah, yeah, yeah, right, I did well. I did
well bringing so no, I won't use that in the
Kansas City House that's one hundred and thirty years old.

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
Yeah, just don't.

Speaker 11 (01:29:35):
Don't with the connectivity. Listen to James's mom and she's right. No,
with the Luigi board and all that shit whatever, you.

Speaker 2 (01:29:44):
Know, listen to all that and just you just don't
need the the extra attention or you just no.

Speaker 4 (01:29:54):
No, I think you know you're probably You're probably What
else happened?

Speaker 11 (01:29:59):
What else happened in the bedroom when you were here,
when you were sleeping, right, when you were sleeping, what
happened you were you had a dream? You had a dream, right,
you had a dream? This, Yes, somebody was tapping you
in your sleep?

Speaker 2 (01:30:15):
Tap tap tap. You woke up and something was tapping you.
Something woke you up.

Speaker 4 (01:30:20):
Yeah, that did happen. And it furst the covers down.
It started pulling the covers off.

Speaker 16 (01:30:26):
Uh huh.

Speaker 2 (01:30:26):
I had a cover pull in that that room as well,
a cover tug. But me, with my all my energy,
I was I was so excited.

Speaker 4 (01:30:36):
I was really tired too, because I had been up
with Spike. I was up with Spike from the thunderstorm
and I was just like, I'm just going to pretend
this is someone I know. A really positive ghost encounter
that I had was after Sawyer died and I was
so depressed. I was so insanely depressed and I was

(01:31:00):
just praying to everybody and I was like just felt
out of my mind with grief. But I was so
exhausted and I couldn't sleep, and I felt somebody get
into bed with me and just hold me. I've told
you about this, and I'm like ninety nine percent sure
it was Brett. It was the fourteenth anniversary of his
death the other day.

Speaker 2 (01:31:21):
But that's so sad. I know I had something mappen too.

Speaker 11 (01:31:27):
After Sawyer died, we were in we were staying at
you know, Phil's parents' home. We had just moved back
to North Carolina. And I was in a chair and
I was just watching these videos and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:31:40):
And I had my head down and I was crying
and I was just.

Speaker 11 (01:31:44):
Feeling so sad, and all of a sudden, I felt
a warm spot on my leg, Like it was exactly
like when a dog comes up to you and puts
his head on your lap.

Speaker 2 (01:31:58):
That's what it was. I looked over and it had disappeared,
but my leg was still warm. Oh so I felt
it was Sawyer.

Speaker 4 (01:32:09):
I bet it was.

Speaker 2 (01:32:10):
He's a good had He had that big head and
it was a dog with it was a big head.

Speaker 4 (01:32:16):
Yeah. I saw him a couple of times. I told you,
I don't know if it was just me hallucinating, because
it was just a split second where I'd walk in
my room and just see him on the bed. But
a ghost dog is like the best scenario, best possible scenario.

Speaker 2 (01:32:32):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:32:33):
For sure, people post videos, they'll catch their ghost dogs
on their ring cameras and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:32:39):
Yeah I've seen no.

Speaker 4 (01:32:42):
Yeah, it's like they come back to check on us.

Speaker 2 (01:32:45):
So yes, yes.

Speaker 4 (01:32:48):
But right when you were a kid, did you live
in any houses where supernatural stuff happened?

Speaker 2 (01:32:55):
No, No, I can't say that I did.

Speaker 4 (01:33:02):
Nope, my first memory of something happening, and it's me
not realizing that something even happened. But you took Dino
and I to that house. I think it was in
South Carolina. It was like some big, a big house
that looked kind of like a museum, and we went
upstairs and we played with those two little kids in
their and their toys, and then you were all so

(01:33:24):
freaked out.

Speaker 22 (01:33:26):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 11 (01:33:28):
That was when we stayed at Cape Fear and that
condo is beautiful, beautiful by curb Beach. And yeah, we
went went out that day and we did some tours
and we went to an old southern mansion that's what
it was and something I.

Speaker 4 (01:33:44):
Remember a mansion or was it a fucking plantation?

Speaker 22 (01:33:47):
It was a plantation, Oh my god, yes, it had
been a plantation.

Speaker 11 (01:33:54):
And the home was just they were doing they were
doing tours and so, ye know, just to get out
and do something, that's what we did.

Speaker 25 (01:34:03):
And we all want, how the hell did you just
end up leaving like a four and a six year
old maving you were?

Speaker 4 (01:34:08):
How were we by ourselves?

Speaker 3 (01:34:11):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:34:12):
It so we were all together and the house wasn't
really that big. It wasn't even three thousand square sheets.

Speaker 13 (01:34:23):
And as a kid, it just looked gigantic time.

Speaker 11 (01:34:25):
I can't imagine how large it looked, but it was
nowhere near the size of Graham and Grandpa's home.

Speaker 2 (01:34:31):
Okay, And we did go upstairs. We're talking to the
tour guide and there was a little room. I mean,
we could see you guys. We just walked in there
for just a short period.

Speaker 11 (01:34:44):
Of time, and then you know, of course we got
you out because everything in there was antiques. We didn't
want anything broken or you know, your kids. So whatever
happened happened in that short.

Speaker 2 (01:34:58):
Period of time.

Speaker 4 (01:35:00):
Did we tell you we were playing with kids?

Speaker 2 (01:35:03):
Probably? Probably you must.

Speaker 4 (01:35:07):
We must have, because that's the only reason I remember
that is because you're saying that there were no kids afterwards,
and just being.

Speaker 2 (01:35:14):
Like this was in nineteen eighty seven. So you were two,
two and Dino was four, so you.

Speaker 11 (01:35:25):
Guys were super little, you were very little. You were yeah,
you were still sitting on laps a little.

Speaker 2 (01:35:31):
Yeah, So it was it was, yeah, that long ago, so.

Speaker 11 (01:35:38):
You were we're really all that coherent and we were
like oh yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, okay, got kids at
that age.

Speaker 2 (01:35:46):
Just talk.

Speaker 4 (01:35:47):
But well, it's all been up uphill since there for us.

Speaker 13 (01:35:52):
Just kidding, yeah, just kidding, it hasn't.

Speaker 4 (01:35:55):
Oh well, I think we covered a lot of poky stuff,
from our personal hauntings to child murderers, to psychics and
shadow people. Do you want to stay on with me
while I do the outro. I'm gonna do it real quick, Okay,

(01:36:15):
I'm sure.

Speaker 6 (01:36:17):
So the next time you see something on camera that
doesn't make sense. The next time your ring doorbell picks
up movement at three am, the next time you see
a shaky, grainy video that ends to abruptly, or something
out of the corner of your eye, ask yourself, was
that a recording or was.

Speaker 4 (01:36:37):
That a warning? I'm Daniella'screama. This has been my mother
Teresa Screama, and you've been listening to Broad's next Door.
Join us tomorrow as we open the relevant red velvet
curtain on some of America's most famous hauntings. And we'll
be doing spooky stories all month long, so make sure

(01:37:01):
to send me yours. Okay, do you want to say goodbye?

Speaker 2 (01:37:05):
Mom bye?

Speaker 4 (01:37:07):
Okay, I'm gonna wait, I'm gonna hit stop.

Speaker 15 (01:37:10):
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