Grab your Hawkins lab keycard, put on your anti-mind-control headband, and step carefully through the static, because today we’re getting a broader understanding of Camp Hero, the Montauk Project, and what may or may not be hiding beneath the sands of Long Island.
We’re going to Camp Hero.
To a decommissioned military base at the edge of Montauk, Long Island. Where the Cold War never really ended. Where stories of kidnapped psychic kids, alien technology, and mind control experiments echo beneath the boardwalk.
And to help guide us through this rabbit hole of radar towers, recovered memories, and portals to god knows where we’re joined by friend of the show Tessa who has her own stories of trips to Camp Hero
Sources:
Investigating Reports of Psychic Experiments (Discovery UK)
https://youtu.be/E7_UZS__kUw?s...
Weird History Gal (Montauk Series)
https://youtube.com/@weirdhistorygal?si=rVl-57EPamL0YBYf
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/broads-next-door--5803223/support.
We’re going to Camp Hero.
To a decommissioned military base at the edge of Montauk, Long Island. Where the Cold War never really ended. Where stories of kidnapped psychic kids, alien technology, and mind control experiments echo beneath the boardwalk.
And to help guide us through this rabbit hole of radar towers, recovered memories, and portals to god knows where we’re joined by friend of the show Tessa who has her own stories of trips to Camp Hero
Sources:
Investigating Reports of Psychic Experiments (Discovery UK)
https://youtu.be/E7_UZS__kUw?s...
Weird History Gal (Montauk Series)
https://youtube.com/@weirdhistorygal?si=rVl-57EPamL0YBYf
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/broads-next-door--5803223/support.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Just three hours from Manhattan on the eastern tip of
Long Island as Montalk, New York. There you'll find a
mysterious offend in military base called Camp Hero that spawned
dozens of urban legends, from widespread child abductions to.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Time travel to covert mind.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Control experiments, and these bizarre reported occurrences were collectively known
as the Montalk Project.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Montalk's been an obsession of mine for over thirty years.
The story goes between nineteen seventy one and nineteen eighty three,
secret experiments happened at the Camp Here Air Force Base,
which is only about a mile from here. When I
was a kid, I walked along this stretch of shore
here and I didn't realize there was a base here
(00:52):
until military personnel stopped me and told me to go
the other way, and it sparked my interest for so
many years. Going forward, I spent about thirteen years investigating
the alleged Mantak Project. Local children were abducted off the streets,
brought to the base, and subjected to brutal mind control
(01:14):
experiments right under the now decaying Sage radar tower. To
be clear, the government's official position is there is no
underground structure of any kind here at Campuro. You know,
(01:36):
it's been a long time. I mean I've been coming
back and forth here for you know, thirteen years. But
we keep getting prevented to look around the perimeter.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Of the tower by home.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
We're trying to get permits to go and look past
the gate.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
We don't get it, you know, even though I was
born and raised here, lived here all my life, and
that gives me pause to say, well, maybe there was
something here.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
And if you really think there's something here, I think.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
You should consue it.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
Hello, neighbors, lovers, friends, and anyone who's ever.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Looked into a flickering screen hoping it would flicker back.
Speaker 5 (02:13):
I'm Daniella, Screama, and this is Broad's next door. Grab
your Hawkins Lab key card, put on your anti mind
control headband, then step carefully through that static because today
we're getting a broader understanding of Campiro, the Montalk project,
and what may or may not be hiding beneath the
(02:34):
sands of Long Island. Hi, Hello, how is everyone? I
hope you are doing well, or at least not trapped
in a government facility attempting to astraly project into the
year twenty seven forty two today for our time travels
and government experiments.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
I am not alone.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
This didn't sound like a safe thing to do solo,
so I have my friend Tessa.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Here with me.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
You may know her from Instagram fire Walk with Me
three one five. She was also on our log Lady episode.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Tessa, Welcome back to the show.
Speaker 6 (03:16):
Hey, Zanila, thanks for having me back.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
Thank you for suggesting this idea for an episode, because
this was your idea and it was a very good one.
Speaker 6 (03:28):
On Things.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Did you see they just.
Speaker 5 (03:32):
Announced that season five of Stranger Things is going to
be like eight full length movies.
Speaker 6 (03:41):
Yeah, I guess that's why it's been taking so long.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
I feel like, isn't that like what they did with
like Game of Thrones and stuff too.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Toward the end, I feel like they were like ninety
minutes out of.
Speaker 6 (03:53):
Them more a little longer, definitely, but I feel like
ninety minutes to one hundred and twenty minutes really does
sound like a full movie.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
I wonder how they're gonna structure it.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
I also need to rewatch it because I was trying
to think of like what happened last and it was
like all the Vecna stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Right, Like, yeah, that that whole thing.
Speaker 5 (04:15):
I barely remember it. I don't even know what year
that was, twenty twenty three.
Speaker 6 (04:20):
It was definitely a few years ago. Yeah, while it's
kind of weird because they're all like grown up and
like adults now, I know.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
Like Millie Bobby Brown is more of an adult than me.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
She's like married with children.
Speaker 6 (04:37):
So I'm curious to see how it's gonna be. Yeah,
I wonder if it's gonna be like each character gets
their own episode even or something like that. I can't
they have to do something.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
I truly have no idea.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
I don't even remember how it ended, like how they
left it off.
Speaker 6 (04:53):
Like, yeah, I definitely need to rewatch it too.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
So it's and I think it came on the in
like twenty sixteen.
Speaker 6 (05:03):
Yeah, that sounds about right. But I'm excited for this
because I guess it's gonna be the final one, so
we'll finally get.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
Yeah, I mean, if they can't just keep doing this,
they can't be like they will return in twenty.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Thirty one for our final, our.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
Final season, so Stranger Things. The original name for the
project was called mon Talk.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
That's what they.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
Originally titled it before they went with Stranger Things, And
I don't know if that was just like a placeholder
name because movies and TV shows will do that sometimes
for leaks.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Or if they really wanted to call it that.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
But today we're talking about the mon Talk Project and Campiro,
which Stranger Things is based on, especially like the first season,
and I guess then they touch back to that. But
it's a decommissioned military base at the edge of Montalk,
Long Island.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
If you've seen.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, meet me in mon Talk,
same place, but they just meant the beach and not
like the government facility. And Tessa and I have both
been there, perhaps illegally, and at the end of the
episode we will share those stories with you, but for now,
(06:33):
we're going to share some stories of psychic kids, alien technology,
and mind control experiments. And Tessa, you've done like a
total deep dive for this, so I am going to
hand the mic over for you to you so you
(06:54):
can give us some intro into the lore of.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
The mon Talk Project.
Speaker 6 (07:03):
Awesome, Well, thank you. I'm actually I'm from Long Island.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
So where in Long Island are you from.
Speaker 6 (07:09):
I'm from the South Shore in Suffolk Areak the eastern half.
And so I think that Campiro has long been this
kind of like traditional place that young kids looking to
get into trouble would go explore.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Did you always know what it was?
Speaker 6 (07:28):
I remember hearing about it like at a really young age,
like in like middle school or something like that, that
like all the high school kids would go there, and
then I was a high school kid and then I
went there. So and it's just interesting because like everybody
has their own little tidbit to add about it, and
it always kind of just goes off when anyone ever
(07:51):
starts talking about it. But a lot of the research
that I did was through this girl, Josie who runs
this account called Weird History Gal. She's on YouTube and Instagram,
and she does a really incredible deep dive into the
history involved and especially some of the key figures involved,
(08:12):
and her YouTube channel has a lot more information about
it for anybody who's interested by what we talk about here.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
Yeah, I'll definitely link to her channel in the show notes,
So make sure you check that out and show her
some love.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
We love our deep divers.
Speaker 6 (08:32):
Yes, So it's interesting because like the way that this
military base is situated, it's like at the very most
eastern tip of Long Island, so it's right at the
very edge like on the water on.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Where it is. You can't go any further.
Speaker 6 (08:51):
Yeah, it's like they have bumper stickers that say the
end there that you can get like and it's just
it's very like ominous already. Just the area, it's.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
All talk is a weird place. It's a weird place.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
So does the Long Island Railroad even go there? Does
it have a stop?
Speaker 6 (09:11):
It must, there's like I think the last stop is
in Spi Okay, so it doesn't.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
Yeah, yeah, I wonder why they picked that place.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
I guess I mean because like rich people lived in
Long Island back then. Yeah, like how did they know
that Edi Beal wasn't going to just like wander wander
on over? They should have gotten her. They really really
fucked up there, And that's like the crossover.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
They probably wanted to stay close to like where the
lighthouse was and have like a good like you know,
vantage point because it was a military base.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
So and it's isolated and you can, I guess you
can see you only have like one land area where
you need to see where people coming in.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
And then I'm pretty sure there were always.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
Gates around it because it's military. And then they have
this giant, giant radio tower which is still there.
Speaker 6 (10:14):
It's ginormous. I think it's like one hundred and twenty
feet tall, and it's just this.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
It doesn't look normal either. It looks like science fiction.
Like it's not like your local radio station tower.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
No, not at all. It really looks like something out
of a comic book. And it's just it's unbelievable that
it's still sitting there too. I think they like close
up the door for it like every year or something,
because people just go there and break it open all
the time.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Do you think that there's anyone in there still.
Speaker 6 (10:46):
Like people? I like, it's hard to say, because, like,
I mean, there's definitely like a big homeless population on
Long Island.
Speaker 7 (10:55):
But oh, I mean like the government, Oh I don't
think so.
Speaker 6 (11:01):
No, they like flooded everything out. There's like there were
all these underground tunnels and things there too that are
completely filled with water now.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
Or they want us to think that they're filled with
water and it's a decoy and if you go further.
Speaker 6 (11:18):
Down maybe maybe. But it's interesting because it's like it's
built like this little like mock fishing village, Like it's
not meant to look like a military base, like it
actually just looks like houses and other than the radar tower.
The radar tower is the dead giveaway that's something weird
(11:39):
is going on there. But like the rest of the
area itself, or just these little houses and like one's
meant to look like a school and one's meant to
look like a gymnasium, and it's like a mock fishing village.
But this tower kind of just looms over everything there,
(11:59):
and it was used to scan for German submarines during
World War Two, but then they decommissioned the whole place
in nineteen forty seven. But there's like these huge batteries
that are there too, that also like stored military vehicles
and held like large coastal gun emplacements, and they're like
(12:24):
hidden in the landscape like underneath these this smock village
and these little houses and the bluffs, because the whole
village is like like most of Long Island is only
like two ft feet above sea level, but like out
in Mantak, they are these bluffs, so the it kind
of gets a little bit higher there, but it's still
(12:46):
like very sand based if that makes sense.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
So did they when they say they decommissioned it, does
that mean they closed it? Yeah, like then they for
everything or that's when it all starts.
Speaker 6 (12:59):
That's when it kind of started. That was in nineteen
forty seven during World War Two, and then during like
the Cold War in the eighties, they opened it back
up again and they were doing weird stuff with the
radar tower that wasn't so focused on German U boats.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
Another boat thing that also involves time travel that I
believe actually happened is the Philadelphia Experiment and that in
nineteen fifty five.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
What was that boat the USSL Ridge.
Speaker 6 (13:35):
So they think that a lot of the people that
were involved with the Philadelphia Experiment and the Phoenix Experiment
were involved with the Montalk project.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
What was the Phoenix Experiment.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
It's like another similar kind of like time travel sort
of weird interdimensional portal type super secret conspiracy project, crazy
same vein, all the same vein.
Speaker 5 (14:05):
Yeah, and a lot of this was like part of
like people will talk about Project paper Clip as well,
and that's like what a lot of like the human
experiments come from. And that's one like that we know
was real. I'm pretty sure where. Yeah, after World War Two,
they brought like a bunch of fucking psychotic Nazi doctors
(14:28):
over and we're like, no, no, you should still continue
your work.
Speaker 6 (14:33):
Yeah, And that's what like a lot of the lore
around this ends up being about too, And it's all
very much in the same vein for sure. And like
the original mission of this military base was strategic defense,
(14:54):
but then it very much evolved into something else a
lot darker during the Cold War.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
Okay, so the Phoenix The Phoenix program was designed and
initially coordinated by the CIA during the Vietnam War, involving
the American and South Vietnamese militaries and a small number
of special forces.
Speaker 6 (15:19):
Whoa, so that's pretty long ago.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
They had all of that and still lost to that war.
Speaker 6 (15:26):
Yeah wow, yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
Good good job US government. And it sounds like this
one isn't even like denied, just like certain aspects of it.
Speaker 6 (15:40):
Yeah, and like I don't know, like I don't know
what I believe happened in any of these things either,
like the truths behind it. It's just like so convoluted
the stuff that you even get to know that, like
you know, something went on, but like it's hard to
put your finger on what exactly.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Definitely, And I.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
Think it's also designed that way that they put in
like enough crazy details that the people that do talk
about it sound like very tinfoil hats.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
But we do know that the.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
Government did so many insane things, Like I did an
episode over the summer which I'll probably re release this
month because I feel like it constitutes as horror. But
it was all just about like medical experiments that were
done against people's consent. And like the fact that all
of that happened it makes me feel like if they
(16:39):
could do the whole psychic spies thing.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
They.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
They totally would absolutely and then like and we know
like a lot of the psychic spy stuff was true
because of documents about like the Gateway Project, which I've
taught talked about before.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Do you know about the Gateway.
Speaker 6 (17:03):
Project remind me again of Void.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
So that's where they.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
Had people that was all about astral projection and they
had people listen to these tapes for remote viewing. I
actually after my dog died that was so that was
part of the Stargate project and it was all investigating
whether psychic phenomenon was real because they heard that the
(17:28):
Soviets had psychic spies, so they were like, oh my god,
we need psychic spies too, and this guy.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Uri Geller was a huge part of it.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
The Monroe Institute released like these tapes, and in twenty
twenty one, I started doing the tapes because I heard
it was just like really extreme like transcendental meditation. And
you listen to these tapes and it's a lot of visualization,
so it like has you visual yourself and then you
(18:01):
build this ball of energy around yourself and it's binarial beats.
So you're here, you have to have headphones on and
you're hearing one thing in one ear and another thing
and the other and it has you go through like
this series of steps basically until your body gets like
very like vibrady and vibrational, which happens a lot if
(18:23):
you're doing like deep meditation. So I was like, oh,
this is really cool. This is just like super sped
up deep meditation. And I do it for this for months,
Like for months I was super depressed. My dog had
just died, and then one day I'm watching vander Pump Rules.
Highly recommend for those of you who haven't seen. It's
(18:45):
kind of like Stranger Things but a reality TV show
said in Los Angeles, and there's this episode where Jack's teller,
like one of the villains of the show, keeps saying
he's the number one guy in this group.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
I'm the number one in this group. And every time
he said.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
Number one, I would draw a circle around my forehead.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
With my finger.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
And the rest of the day, every time I heard
the number one, I had to do that like compulsively, like.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
It was an itch. And I was like, what is
happening here?
Speaker 5 (19:21):
So I went when I was completely awake, and I
listened to the tape I had done the night before,
and one of the things he said in it was
every time I say the number one, you will draw
a finger or you will draw a circle on your
forehead with your finger. And I was like, fuck, I'm
ci ate myself.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
What the hell else have I heard? And like, what
other code can they use on me now to like
make me a sleeper agent? And that was like only
in the matter of a few months.
Speaker 6 (19:53):
So Garry, that's like I believe in that stuff. And hypnosis,
it's the in mind is a really interesting and easily
influenced thing.
Speaker 5 (20:07):
So and that was done at Fort Meade in Maryland,
but also at Stanford in California, and they say they
decommissioned that one in nineteen eighty seven because they didn't
find enough evidence.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
But I don't know.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
That's what the movie and book, The Men who Stare
at goats.
Speaker 6 (20:31):
Yeah, I'm gonna do that.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
Actually, that's one of the things they would try and
do is kill a goat with their mind. And so
many people say that it happened that they saw this.
Speaker 6 (20:40):
So I don't know. They definitely were experimenting with things
like that and trying to see what they could do,
and I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of that
stuff was involved with Campiro specifically too.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
Yeah, I mean, I feel like it's only a matter
of time before, like because like with the Gateway Project,
they denied that and denied that and denied that until
two thousand and three when like a bunch of the
CIA documents were released and they're redacted. But then like
they came out and you can read about it, and
it's like people being like I astral projected to Mars.
(21:21):
I did remote viewing on this, and it's really really
well documented about the things that people were able to
remote view and see.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
So the idea that they've stopped doing that is just completely,
completely unbelievable to me. But I digress.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
Let's go back to Long Island, to Campio and hear
what these crazy people allegedly did.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
Well, So they said that they The historical record says
that the base closed following World War Two, but then
it was reopened in the nineteen eighties for top secret
scientific research known as the Man Talk Project, and so
a lot of conspiracy theorists say that this secret operation
(22:14):
drew on a lot of the discoveries of Nikola Tesla,
even and theories and experimentation were considered unorthodox bi conventional
science and had a lot to do with like mind
control and radio wave experiments and things like that. And
(22:36):
in some of Nikola Tesla's letters he actually referred to
correspondence with highly advanced beings from outer space.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
He built some crazy radio tower too test.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (22:50):
Yeah, so I think that they were using a lot
of his work to kind.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Of yeah, they after they killed him.
Speaker 6 (22:57):
Yeah, I love Nikola Tesla rip. Yeah. So it's it's
rumored that those that were working on the Montalk project
were the same people who were involved with the Phoenix
projects and the Philadelphia projects.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yeah, all of the freaking CIA.
Speaker 6 (23:17):
Yeah, And they were trying to like contact like interdimensional
beings through some of these experiments, and according to some
published accounts, extraterrestrials assisted the CIA with mind control and
interdimensional travel that open portals to other dimensions and let
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beings in from beyond that still roam around the site,
according to some of these people.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
I kind of believe this, Like if I was an
alien post World War two, after the United States has
had used nuclear bombs, I would just be like, no,
I'm not coming to your dimension. You try and shoot
us out of the sky every time we try and visit.
But I guess if they like had mastered interdimensional travel
(24:12):
where they don't even need spacecraft, maybe they felt safer
doing it or had ulterior motives that.
Speaker 6 (24:20):
Yeah, I feel like ulterior motives probably more so.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
Like maybe some like like more shady aliens like a
tall gray or something, I.
Speaker 6 (24:32):
Don't know, or like maybe they knew something was gonna
happen in the future that we didn't know about, and
they're like had other goals in relation to that. I
don't know. It could be a lot of different reasons,
but apparently they lived in the bunkers underneath in the tunnels.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Of the interdimensional beings did.
Speaker 6 (24:57):
Yeah, that's what is rumored. And supposedly there's other declarations
that there were children that were used in these mind
control experiments and kids that were put under hypnosis spells
(25:17):
and sacrificed in the name of science. According to certain legends,
like they would kidnap like little orphans and subject them
to some of this experiments.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
But yeah, in nineteen ninety two, Preston B.
Speaker 5 (25:35):
Nichols and Peter Moon, they published this book The mon
Talk Projects Experiments in Time, and they also supposedly allegedly
talked to these boys, because I think it was just
boys that were in the press too.
Speaker 6 (25:54):
And I think originally the script for Stranger Things was
supposed to be about a little boy and they changed
it to be a girl.
Speaker 5 (26:00):
Yeah, girls are more psychic anyways than that makes sense.
That's another thing that doesn't make sense to me. Why
did they only kidnap little boy orphans. Maybe they didn't
want to deal with like puberty, or they knew that
psychic girls going through puberty like might carry white them.
Speaker 6 (26:18):
I have no idea. Yeah, probably that that's what they
were thinking. Definitely. Maybe they're just too they care too
much to see things going on that they can't deal with.
I don't know, but that is very interesting. And like
that whole book with Preston Nichols, like it's so weird
(26:41):
because it like all originates from like he was involved
in some sort of telepathy program and then he started
going to like events where other people recognized him and
he didn't remember them, and they were like, yeah, you
were my boss when I worked at this government facility
in mon Talk, and he would be like, what are
(27:01):
you talking about? I never worked there. And he had
all these like repressed memories and he had to like
go uncover them and like meet other people that could
help him remember where this alternative life that he had
no memory of happened.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
And in this book, I have the notes pulled up
right now. So they claimed that the Philadelphia experiment, the
thing with moving the uss L Ridge, so that was
part of Project Rainbow, and that started in nineteen forty three.
They claimed that that evolved into the Phoenix project and
(27:40):
then all of that evolved into the mon Talk project
that then it moved to Long Eye, to Long Island.
Speaker 6 (27:52):
I wonder where it is now.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Good question.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
I feel like if they had sense, they would like
take get overseas or.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Put it inside like a mountain.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
That's what I would do if I was like an
able CIA agent.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
I would have like one of those mountains.
Speaker 7 (28:11):
But.
Speaker 6 (28:13):
That would be a good spot. I've also heard about
like connections of Preston Nichols to William Cooper, who supposedly
had some sort of connection to one of the CIA
operatives that were in charge at Campiro. And this guy,
William Cooper also wrote a book called Behold the Pale Horse,
(28:35):
which I think ended up being banned for a while,
but it was like pretty well known. But I think
that he maybe directly references a lot of stuff that
Preston Nichols talks about in his book. But I don't
know whether to think either of those guys are hacks
or heroes.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Like Yeah, there's also.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
Another guy, Stuart Swordlow, who says he would really involved
in the Montalk projects and it helped like boost the
psychicness of the facilities themselves. But he also says that
after like having severe PTSD, So I mean I would too. Yeah,
(29:23):
and then there's the Montalk Monster. I don't know if
you have any of that in your right.
Speaker 6 (29:29):
I didn't write about that, but I have my own
theories on that for sure, because Montalk is pretty close
to Plumb Island.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
What is Plumb Island.
Speaker 6 (29:40):
Plumb Island is a government owned It's a privately owned
island that has a lot of ties with the government
and funding from the government, and they do a lot
of experimenting on different viruses and bacterias and things there,
and like it's very very high security, like no one
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is allowed there in or out without without passes, and
like you have to have clearance to even go there.
And like if animals from like the from the bay
like come, like if the deer swims across to the shores,
they shoot the deer on site because they don't let
other animals or living life come onto the island because
(30:25):
they're afraid of things getting taken, like viruses being transported
off of the island. And a lot of people think
that's where like lime disease came from, and like.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
Okay, I have heard the lime disease thing about that
before that, yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
It isn't like I feel like there's like.
Speaker 5 (30:46):
Also like the involving like dumping like nuclear waste from
like nuclear experiments and which the government really did do
like all across the country as well as like doing
nuclear testing without like letting anyone know, just being like, well,
everyone will either probably be fine or will light the
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whole atmosphere on fire. Let's let's see how it goes.
Speaker 6 (31:12):
Yeah, so I feel like the Montalk monster is probably
some sort of result of something like that, like I
don't know, some sort of just experiment that accidentally like
fell off the boat and washed off, washed up the
shore or something like that from one of those government
testing islands. But that's just kind of my hunch.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Are you done with all the stuff?
Speaker 6 (31:42):
Yeah, Yeah, Well I was just not sure if you
wanted to say something.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
No, No, I'm good. Sorry, I don't have yours in
front of me.
Speaker 6 (31:52):
I thought you were talking about then talk monsters, get
I get sidetracked.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Okay, but keep going, keep telling us.
Speaker 6 (32:02):
But yeah, so it's just really interesting to see how
that whole influence of Campiro kind of took off and
became stranger things, because I definitely could see how some
of the lore around it helped create such a cool story,
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and I definitely had my own experience there that was
interesting and made me feel a little weird.
Speaker 5 (32:34):
For sure, we're gonna save that. We're gonna save that
for the for the very end. Let's just take a
moment to sit with the fact that the government allegedly,
but like maybe not allegedly created psychic child, created psychic
child soldiers in a bunker underneath a state park, and
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no one's allowed to talk about it unless it's rebranded
as Prestige television maybe because if that's not American, I mean,
I don't know what is. And we're both skeptical on this,
but I absolutely believe the government is always hiding something.
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If they were doing psychic warfare and interdimensional experiments in
the early eighties, it does kind of make sense.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
That was the.
Speaker 5 (33:26):
Decade we got Cabbage Patch Kids, the Satanic Panic, Ronald Reagan,
and New Coke, So really, what was reality anyway? But
what really sticks with me is the idea of mon
talk boys, kids allegedly abducted, traumatized, and programmed to be weapons.
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Whether that's literal or symbolic, I can't help but think
of all the ways children have been used and harmed
in the name of science.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Secrecy, or power.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
We have the Tuskegee air Men, mk ultra residential schools.
So when someone says they wouldn't do that, it's kind
of like, well, they already did.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Maybe they didn't do it like this, but who's to say.
Speaker 5 (34:13):
And can we talk about that radar tower thing again
for a second, because it's still standing, Like, why wouldn't
they take that down?
Speaker 6 (34:25):
Yeah, it's definitely such a safety hazard and it's falling apart,
and I don't understand how it's still standing there with
very minimal security around the basis.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
That's why I feel like people still have to be
there or like or it's a hazard to take it down,
but I feel like it's more of a hazard to
leave it.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Up and not use it.
Speaker 5 (34:51):
And Okay, so we talked about the radio tower, we
talked about the moon Talk boys. I am going to
play a clip for us from Weird History Gal, who
we Tessa mentioned before we started talking, and this is
from her video the Experiments of the mon Talk Project
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to the conspiracy that inspired Stranger Things. So this is
like an hour long video. I will link to the
full thing in the show notes and I highly recommend
you watch it, but we're just gonna hear a small
clip for now.
Speaker 7 (35:30):
At a Reptilian had an office next to his, and
everybody for to this guy as your Highness Draco, and
he continuously refers to this person or being as your
Highness Draco through the interview, so it's it's pretty entertaining.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Next office is the secretary.
Speaker 5 (35:47):
For the aliens.
Speaker 8 (35:49):
Across the way was the alien's office Reptilia.
Speaker 7 (35:52):
The interviewer is unsurprisingly intrigued by this and asks him
about the dynamic between your Highness Draco and the rest
of the Montak personnel.
Speaker 8 (36:01):
I don't have that much to do with it.
Speaker 6 (36:08):
They do all.
Speaker 5 (36:09):
Have the Long Island accents, so I feel like that
gives them credibility.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Credibility.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
Okay, so she's talking about some guys who are involved
in their the experiments and basically like this lizard King
Reptilian in her dimensional being that they had to shower.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
So let's hear a little bit more about that.
Speaker 5 (36:32):
And then she's also is going to talk about how
it was all funded, which is a question I have.
Speaker 7 (36:37):
To Kristen also tells a story about.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
How he had a container of drain up. Don't try
this at home, kids, it won't end well. And then
the other things that hy drug side.
Speaker 8 (37:08):
Project unto was using.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
This comes into.
Speaker 5 (37:32):
What do you think these men are just insane? They're
talking about interdimensional being. They have named him His Highness Draco,
who coincidentally loves drinking draino.
Speaker 6 (37:48):
Yeah, it's pretty far fetched. It sounds like a big
reach there. It's just it's like, I want to believe
that there are interest dimensional beings. I want the proof,
but then it's just doesn't do it.
Speaker 5 (38:02):
Video game character like Bowser from Mario and then he
was and he starts drinking draino.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Okay, I'm sorry, sir, to cut you off.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
During your Sir Highness Draco speech.
Speaker 7 (38:23):
Preston explained this by saying that reptilians must have alkaline blood.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
And I don't know how accurate any of that is.
Speaker 7 (38:30):
I don't really care to look into if reptiles have
alkaline blood and if they can drink draina.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
I just don't care. It just doesn't I don't know.
This is just one of the parts of the story that.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Just like if a lizard drank dreino, it would die. Yeah,
very confident in that.
Speaker 5 (38:48):
I have never taken a chemist dry class, but I
just I'm gonna stand by that.
Speaker 6 (38:55):
Yeah, I would have to agree with you.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
I remember it having.
Speaker 7 (39:03):
Kristin also claimed as I did say that the graves
were involved and that they also were base alongside the
rest of the normal personnel.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
And he stated that they were short and it.
Speaker 7 (39:13):
Smelled like fecal matter and also had a very interesting
response to cleaning products.
Speaker 4 (39:19):
The little Grays, I think the idea that's only around
the UF.
Speaker 5 (39:24):
See I messed it up though I thought it was
going to be the tall Grays, and it was the
grays was the tiny ones, and they of course do
smell eggs alfur obviously.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
Through the Sish.
Speaker 8 (39:41):
Memories of those grades really taking owner of it. So
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on the consary get themselves.
Speaker 5 (40:17):
So Sir Draco gets drunk from Dreno, but the little
Grays get drunk from being.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Sprayed with lysol.
Speaker 5 (40:25):
I feel like there's like an alcoholism theme happening in
the depths.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Of mon Talk.
Speaker 6 (40:33):
Yeah, sounds like a pretty big story there.
Speaker 5 (40:39):
I just m even if I saw all of this,
I feel like I would edit my story going forward,
like there were some things I would omit and all. Anyway,
Like any gray alien is telepathic. Everyone obviously knows that,
so I feel like even thinking that around them being like, oh,
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these guys smell like shit would just be like a
really bad idea.
Speaker 6 (41:09):
Yeah, probably not so great for him. Maybe they were
just messing with him. And after that, let's hear how
it ends.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
Don't ask me.
Speaker 7 (41:23):
This part of it is just it's a little too
wild to take seriously, but it's a part of this
whole thing. Extraterrestrial technology was also involved, as you're probably
not surprised to hear, but I will get to that
a little later in the video.
Speaker 4 (41:35):
This brings me before we get into the actual experiments.
Speaker 7 (41:38):
I'm sure you get wait for that at this point,
but this brings me to the last imperative part of
this that is worth mentioning, which is the funding, or
in simpler terms, who was paying for this. Funding was
said to have come from the Nazi which is another
disturbing part of this story, especially if it is all
made up.
Speaker 4 (41:56):
Why.
Speaker 7 (41:56):
I guess it makes sense because the Nazis have been
involved in a lot of horrific things, and the nature
of the experiments again, it just sounds like something Nazis
would do, but it's just again, it's disturbing.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
Preston stated that.
Speaker 7 (42:08):
In nineteen forty four, an American troop train traveling through
a French tunnel carrying hundreds of billions of dollars worth
of seiz Nazi gold and fifty one gis was dynamited.
Speaker 4 (42:19):
The gold allegedly showed.
Speaker 7 (42:21):
Up in Montalk somehow and was used to finance the
project until it ran out. General George Patton was spoken
of in association with this event. Yet while researching, the
only event I found that comes anywhere close to this
in terms of it being real is said to have
been an urban legend. The Nazi gold train was again
said to have been an urban legend.
Speaker 4 (42:41):
Nobody has actually been.
Speaker 7 (42:42):
Able to find it, So this is again another one
of those events that seems to be construed in the
way that was convenienced to go along with this whole story.
But if you guys have any insight, feel free to
leave it in the comments. There was one event where
American troops seized a train of stolen Hungarian golds from
the Nazis, and I'm teen forty five, which tragically was
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not properly reappropriated. But again it is not the same
event or anywhere close to I pressed and described, But anyway,
for the story's sake, after the gold supposedly ran. Now,
the Manta project was said to have been funded afterward
by the dynastic German Krupp family through Itt Corporation, who
manufactured munitions during World War Two, so they were keeping
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the funding within the realm of the Nazis, which is
just great, not my sarcasm. Anyway, Onto the part of
this that you've probably all been waiting for. I'll probably
timestamp this part for the people that don't want to
go through with the rest of the video to get
to this. Onto the faded experiments. The earliest experiments were
called the microwave oven.
Speaker 4 (43:42):
Experiments, which sound really safe. Again, note my sarcasm. These
would have begun.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
I didn't even know they had microwave ovens.
Speaker 6 (43:51):
Then, yeah, I wonder when the first one was Actually
maybe this is how it was invented. Microwaves were invented, all.
Speaker 5 (44:00):
Right, the history of microwaves and the outside of the
project in the early nineteen seventies, and these experiments entailed
the reflector of the Sage radar tower being.
Speaker 7 (44:09):
Rotated and angled down at a building where they would
place a psychic and observe how the microwave energy would
affect the subject. As they change things like the pulse
rate with and frequency of the waves being omitted by
the transmitter of the sage radar tower. Essentially, a lot
of ensued, and the main goal of a scientist was to.
Speaker 4 (44:31):
Observe what input would produce what effect in the subject.
Speaker 7 (44:35):
They observed certain inputs made subjects a cry, sleep, and
so on. These were essentially the mind control experiments in
their earliest development.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
Okay, aren't microwave waves just radiation?
Speaker 5 (44:47):
Though? Wouldn't this just like make their sperm count dwindle?
Speaker 6 (44:53):
Maybe it does both two for one.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
That's not abandoned male bird control. Yet we may have
found a solution here.
Speaker 7 (45:04):
Who I did previously discuss was said to have been
a proficient psychic.
Speaker 4 (45:09):
And was used primarily in all of these experiments.
Speaker 7 (45:12):
He was supposedly trained by the NSA to remote views.
Speaker 4 (45:29):
Of all of the things I doubt about this whole project.
Speaker 7 (45:32):
Duncan being trained by the government to remote view is
the least far fetched in my opinion, This would be
a whole separate video. But the government has verifiably done
experiments involving esp through projects sun Streets known as Stargate,
in which psychic's remote viewed targets like the surface of Mars,
and also picked up relevant information about the Oklahoma City bombing.
Speaker 5 (45:54):
So I've never heard the Oklahoma City bombing thing, because
that didn't happen until nineteen ninety three, and they claimed
to end this in nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
But this is the same Monroe Institute.
Speaker 5 (46:07):
Tapes that I accidentally hypnotized myself with, and that really
freaks me out. And we do know that they really
did these things, whether how much you believe in the
accuracy of them. That was something that decades and decades
were spent on of trying to make psychic spies and soldiers.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
Let's hear a few more minutes of experiments.
Speaker 7 (46:33):
I certainly don't believe that it's outside the realm of
possibility that Duncan could have been trained in this way,
and it may be one of the very minute grains
of truth within this whole thing.
Speaker 4 (46:42):
But back to the microwave experiments.
Speaker 7 (46:45):
Experiment, as you can imagine, were not safe at all,
and they were supposedly quickly modified to become safer by
turning the antenna the opposite way and aiming non burning
rays at the subject, which was apparently discovered to have
the same effect as the original setup. In fact, Preston
plain these experiments caused Duncan to become medically brain dead
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and use this to reason that the soul and the
body must be separate entities, and that Duncan's soul must
have been running his body in absence of the ability
of his brain. And this is just Preston's reasoning, not mine.
I do believe that the body and the soul are
two separate things, and that the soul has its own intelligence,
But I don't know if it was actually medically brained.
(47:27):
I don't know about the possibility of what Preston described,
but I'm just relaying the story to you guys.
Speaker 4 (47:34):
Remember it happened.
Speaker 7 (47:35):
The test subjects eventually did extend beyond the realm of.
Speaker 4 (47:39):
Just these psychics that were employed to work on the project.
Speaker 7 (47:42):
Experimenting was done on army units that were supposedly invited
to the base for R and R, as well as
civilians from Long Island, upstate New York, New Jersey, Connecticut,
anywhere sort of within the tri state area.
Speaker 4 (47:55):
It sounds like it wasn't.
Speaker 7 (47:57):
Specified how researchers got their hands on these subjects. But
when we consider that they eventually began using abducted young
boys to do their psychic research, who infamously became known
as them ontalk boys. I would imagine they obtained these
adult subjects also without consent.
Speaker 4 (48:14):
If you catch my drift.
Speaker 7 (48:16):
Through experimenting, researchers discovered something called frequency hopping, which was
essentially abruptly shifting the frequency a subject was being zapped behind,
and it apparently opened the door to the time bending experiments.
Speaker 4 (48:30):
Though they didn't get fully into them at this point.
Speaker 5 (48:35):
Okay, A big question that I have is if they
did all of this, why wouldn't they have just killed
everyone afterward?
Speaker 6 (48:43):
Yeah? Well, I think that there were supposedly a lot
of people that did die. They said that some of
the boys had died and were like hypnotized to walk
off of the tops of buildings and things like that.
But I would the same thing. But there was also
a lot of discussion that Josie talks about in her
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videos with Preston Nichols, having repressed memories about things and
like having to go to these places and like try
to remember what role he played when he worked there,
and having to uncover these repressed memories and things that
were like pushed down into his subconscious So I don't
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know if that is something that would.
Speaker 5 (49:31):
I have a bit of a problem with the whole
uh repressed memories thing, because that's one.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
Way we know that, like.
Speaker 5 (49:40):
Why you're not supposed to try and get someone to
remember something under hypnosis and things like that, because it's
very easy.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
To create false memories.
Speaker 5 (49:51):
But the Philadelphia Experiment has a lot of stories like
that too. Like so basically the Philadelphia Experiment, they have
this ship, the us US Eldridge. It's in some bay
by Philadelphia. They move it into the future and a
bunch of they have like sheep on it and goats,
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and also a bunch of navy sailors whatever they are.
People are that are on ships, and some of them
get melded into the metal or completely disfigured. Some of
them go completely insane. One man is like, who am I?
I don't know who I am, and they tell him
you're the captain of the USS Elridge. So this is
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where this stuff gets a little bit harder for me
to believe.
Speaker 6 (50:42):
I think that like, if you're messing with some of
these things on any level, it's gonna mess with your head.
Though down the lines, So it's like it's it's hard
because like so much of this is really muddy and
a lot of the sources are questionable and unverifiable, and
like then you're dealing with things that have to do
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with stuff that's going to affect you mentally, So it's
like how much can you trust the stories that are
coming out of it?
Speaker 2 (51:15):
For sure?
Speaker 5 (51:16):
And there's also reports of people hearing radio frequencies inside
their heads, strange animal behavior, collective nightmares, like all things
that are not normal. But what if it doesn't need
to be real to matter? What if these stories, this
lore are how we make sense of things that don't fit,
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unexplainable trauma, missing time, paranoia that could be premonition.
Speaker 2 (51:44):
The Montak project seems like.
Speaker 5 (51:46):
It's one of those rare stories that feels too weird
to be made up, but too disjointed to fully be believed.
And maybe that's the point. Maybe it's not about whether
the experiments have exactly like this, but about what these
legends are really trying to tell us. That institutions lie,
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that children do vanish, that power absolutely warps reality, and
sometimes you have to follow the static And Tessa, do
you want to tell us about the time that you
did just to that.
Speaker 6 (52:25):
Yes, I'm happy to share it. I definitely want to
start off by telling everyone, like, don't ever do any
of the things that I'm about to talk about in
the story, because it definitely feels pretty dangerous looking back
on it, and I'm glad I have the wherewithal now
(52:48):
not to make decisions like that, But anyone listening, like,
don't think this is a good idea. And I definitely
don't know how I feel about it any of it,
but I definitely feel like something weird was going on
there overall, and after having this experience, I probably have
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even more questions than answers, but it's it's something that
I'll always remember, and it's just it haunts me forever.
Speaker 5 (53:23):
You're scaring me more than the guy that made a
lizard person drink Dreno right now.
Speaker 6 (53:30):
But I was like nineteen, probably I'm pretty stupid, and
I had grown up like hearing lots of stories about
Campiro and lots of kids in high school that I
knew would go break in there and do graffiti on
the walls and things like that and like try to
get in the tower, And so I tried. I did
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my whole getting over my dangerously explore abandoned places with
reckless ambition phase. So I definitely I went when I
was nineteen with a small group of people and we
took the trek out there to kind of investigate around
the radar tower and the town. But listen, like I
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didn't know that there were like live mines still on
the beach, Like that's definitely something to know before you
go into.
Speaker 5 (54:25):
They have signs that say that, or did you find
out afterwards?
Speaker 6 (54:29):
I found out afterwards that apparently there are signs on
the beach, but I did not see any going in,
And like I went in like to like an area
where like the fence was all like disheveled and it
was just kind of easy to get in. It really
wasn't like hopping a fence or anything like that. Like
it was very minimal security at the time when we went,
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and like it's just so run down, like there's hardly
anybody that works out there. There are like some park
rangers that do little patrols and stuff, but I mean
it's very minimal. And hopefully I'm not incriminating myself too
much with the story, but it's been like over fifteen years.
Speaker 5 (55:10):
So I think that's all I do on this show
is incriminate myself. They're gonna come for me just for
talking about like the my astral projection ability.
Speaker 2 (55:19):
I're gonna be like, all right, let's let's say number
two and see what she does.
Speaker 6 (55:25):
Yeah. Probably. But so I went in there with this
little group of people and we're like kind of just
looking at the graffiti that was really impressive, and we
went up to the radar tower first, but it was
like really really intimidating, and the door had been like
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blasted open, but everything was just rusting out, Like the
whole like radar tower is like falling on the ground.
There's pieces of it everywhere, all in the grass, and
the door had been pried open and it's like warped
and bent and hanging off, and like you go in
there and there's no windows and it's just it's so
(56:10):
unsafe feeling. It's like very overwhelming. And the whole first
set of stairs is like completely rusted out and just
like dismantled in a pile of rubble on the ground.
Like it's just it's I can't believe it hasn't fallen down.
Speaker 2 (56:26):
This tower truly truly.
Speaker 5 (56:28):
That's why it seems like more of a hazard to
leave all of this there than to get rid of it.
Speaker 6 (56:34):
Yeah, it definitely does. And it's like all like concrete
and steel, Like it's like a big rectangle and it's
like one hundred and twenty feet tall or something. But
so we kind of just looked up the stairs and
we were just like, no way, this is too scary,
and so at least we had enough common sense to
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do that, and they're not go upstairs.
Speaker 2 (56:59):
That would have crumbled underneath.
Speaker 6 (57:00):
Yeah, they absolutely would have crumbled.
Speaker 5 (57:03):
Either A Long Island teenager dead last night.
Speaker 6 (57:08):
Yeah, definitely would be the headlines the next day. But
so we like kind of just we came out of
there and we started going onto other areas to kind
of explore because we thought it would be safer. But like, regrettably,
this is where things definitely kind of took a turn
because we went into this building like a couple buildings
(57:30):
away from the tower, and like from the outside, it
just looks like like a simple two story wooden frame
house with boarded up windows. But then when you go inside,
like you realize the whole structure was like made out
of concrete, like everything in there, and like you go
(57:52):
there was like there was like a metal ladder that
led down into the basement that's like twenty feet down
like just like a regular metal ladder god down into
a hatch like the hatch of.
Speaker 5 (58:07):
Lost truly, I mean like, yeah, Desmond Hume is my constant.
Speaker 6 (58:12):
Yeah, it doesn't definitely down there pressing about. But like
and it's weird because Long Island is so low, like
we're two feet above sea level, Like you have basements, Yeah,
we have basements, but like like in certain areas people don't.
(58:34):
It's very it's very area based because there are certain
places that are too low. Like this specific area has
a lot of bluffs and stuff, so the terrain does
get higher, but like it's all sand like, so you
have to have good engineering to be able to build
basements in that area. Like and there's a lot of
concrete involved, definitely, But so we kind of and and
(59:02):
I like I said, like all of those tunnels and
stuff were like float like flooded out now in Campiro.
So like when we were looking down these stairs into
this basement, there's like a trap door at the bottom
of the basement. So there was another level beneath where
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you could see them.
Speaker 2 (59:24):
That's where they are, That's where the people are.
Speaker 6 (59:27):
It's so scary. But and apparently a lot of people
have like broken into this place to steal copper and
metals and sell them and stuff like that too, so
there's a lot of shape.
Speaker 2 (59:38):
You're good for them being resource.
Speaker 6 (59:43):
But so we were kind of like scared of that
little has that little area and uh even more and
I was like, okay, like let's go upstairs. And I
definitely had some emotional hesitancy and so really go upstairs,
and it was like even more death trappy somehow because
(01:00:05):
at the top there's like it was like a concrete
room with like artillery windows like where you could stick
guns out of like little slits, and like that room
was all concrete, and then the one next to it
was the only one that wasn't concrete. It was made
out of wood, and that was like the one that
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had the normal window on that room, but it was
like boarded up. So it was really really dark in
that adjacent room, and like when we went to walk
in there, like it smelled really really bad, like like
like a little gray. Yeah, probably like yeah, now that
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I'm thinking about it probably.
Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
It all comes full circle.
Speaker 6 (01:00:55):
And yeah, and so it was like and I just
had like just so much anxiety and panic, like like
starting to walk into that room and like you just
get hit with the smell and like you feel completely
overtaken and like it was like musty and like rotten,
(01:01:16):
and we just all I was like first in the group.
I don't know how I was going first, and like
I just immediately got so scared, and both me and
the first person like took a couple of steps and
like we heard the floorboards cracked and we were just
like nop. And like then like we heard something in
the back part of the room like drop, and we're
(01:01:40):
just like uh, and like we had lights and stuff,
so we flash around. Nothing's there. We couldn't see anything,
and I just like felt so overwhelmed, and we were
just like okay, let's go. Like we weren't even talking
at that point, and like all the air had just
been stupped out of the room and we were just
like this is too weird, and so like we decided
(01:02:04):
to leave and we weren't We were all in a
different mood after this happened, because it was just definitely
creepy and like uncomfortable, and we like just didn't feel
good in the house anymore and wanted to leave. And
so like when we were going, we're outside and I
took a picture of the house with my crappy two
(01:02:24):
thousand and nine BlackBerry phone, and I.
Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
Missed my BlackBerry.
Speaker 6 (01:02:30):
Yeah, I missed all this, all.
Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
This mind control. And they couldn't have left us BlackBerry phones.
Speaker 6 (01:02:37):
But when I got home, I like was looking at
the pictures and I look at that picture of the
house that we were in, and no, next to one
of the windows we know of the room that was
wooden and smelled bad and made the scary noise, there
was like this clear as day like face like these
it's like bald heads, sunk in eyes little.
Speaker 5 (01:03:00):
Oh oh, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
You didn't have your life cyle to get them, Drunker,
it could have.
Speaker 6 (01:03:07):
Been a real I should have brought it.
Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
Did you lose your mind? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (01:03:12):
I lost my mind. And like literally everyone I've ever
showed the picture to just right away just like zooms
in and it's just like, what the heck is that like?
And I tried to go back one time after because
I was like so creeped out by it. I was like,
we could take another picture and see if anything happens,
and nothing happened. There wasn't anything there, Like I also
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it was a BlackBerry. It could have been like a
crappy photo, but like it really looked like a face.
Like I'm telling you, do you still have the picture? Yeah?
I do. I can.
Speaker 5 (01:03:44):
Oh my god, we have to use it in our
social media post for this, just to send it home.
My story is not nearly as scary as this at all.
I went here in two thousand and seven when I
was like how old was I then twenty two with
my friend Marissa who lived in Queens but like closer
(01:04:04):
to Long Island, and we had gone to Target beforehand.
I'd bought like a Halter top and cowboy boots and wanted.
Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
To do a photo shoot.
Speaker 5 (01:04:13):
And she's like, oh, I know this, Like we used
to go to this like government base place and we
went into like one of the buildings and there were
like a speed aware of asbestos signs and all these
no smoking signs and literally just did a photo shoot.
Like literally, it's just thirst straps of me with like
government destruction in the background.
Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
If there would have been a little gray I wouldn't
have even.
Speaker 5 (01:04:37):
Noticed it, or it would have just been like posts
get in my picture.
Speaker 6 (01:04:42):
Well, I'm glad you didn't get blown up by the
hidden land munch.
Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
She had no idea about that. Just so, what do
we think true?
Speaker 4 (01:04:54):
Not true?
Speaker 6 (01:04:54):
We don't know everything. With the grain of salt, something
weird happened for sure, and I don't I don't put
it past them that there was like hypnosis in mind
control type things for sure. Maybe interdimensional experimentation.
Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
I agree.
Speaker 6 (01:05:13):
I feel I believe Gray is drinking Draino.
Speaker 5 (01:05:16):
I don't know the Draino was a reptilian. Yeah, so
you never know with the reptilian.
Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
George W. Bush loves his Draino.
Speaker 5 (01:05:28):
But I think the stranger things made this story digestible.
Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
But the real story, the one you have to.
Speaker 5 (01:05:35):
Squint and see, is much messier and at this point
covered with lysol. It's part military history, part science fiction,
part mass trauma, part TikTok rabbit hole, and part something else.
It's the story of a place that was built to
watch the coast and maybe ended up watching us. Thank
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you for listening to Broad's next, and thank you again
Tessa for being the brave one to go down the
mon talk tunnel first. Everyone, stay safe, stay strange, and
if you hear a voice whispering in your sleep to
meet it by the radar tower, maybe don't unless you
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want to come back with your own stories.
Speaker 6 (01:06:22):
Thank you, Tessa, thanks so much for having me back.
Speaker 5 (01:06:25):
Danielle, of course, I still want to have you on
to talk about fire Walk with me, because I truly
think that's a horror movie. I've only watched it once
because it scared me so much. So if you'd be
down to do that before October is over, that would
be amazing.
Speaker 6 (01:06:41):
I'd love to do that. That sounds like and.
Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
It's like your name's sake, so yeah.
Speaker 6 (01:06:46):
Absolutely, that sounds great.
Speaker 5 (01:06:48):
All right, Okay, well I will talk to you very soon.
Thank y'all, talk to you soon, all right, goodbye, bye.
Thank you so much for another listening to another episode
abroad the next Door. My fever has subsided a little,
(01:07:12):
so this was a good episode for that. I have
so much to do before I leave town, going back
to Kansas City on Tuesday, so I will be recording
some Halloween episodes from there as well. I think I'm
gonna save some of my serial killers from there. The
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Midwest has so many serial killers, so many What happened there?
What happened in the heartland of America? I guess a
lot happened. If you have any Missouri or Kansas stories,
specifically send them to me, because I really like doing
stuff in the place that I am. Probably do like
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a Pacific Northwest one before.
Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
I depart, come out.
Speaker 5 (01:08:00):
But sorry, my mother is texting me. I'm out of it.
I'm out of it. I'm definitely burning out with these episodes.
I think I'm gonna take the first week of November off.
I know I've mentioned to that that's like always something
I toy with, and then when it comes down to it,
I'm like, no, no, push through and do one million episodes.
(01:08:22):
But I don't want the quality to deteriorate, Like I
don't want quantity over quality. So I hope you're enjoying
Spooky October. We are officially halfway through right now. We
still have fifteen more horrifying episodes to get through, and
I'm looking.
Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
Forward to doing a lot of them.
Speaker 5 (01:08:44):
Some of them, I'm honestly terrified to do some of
the serial killer stuff. I've just been having constant, constant nightmares.
Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
After I did that Active serial Killer one. I could
barely sleep this stuff. I was dreaming.
Speaker 5 (01:09:00):
I had a dreamed that it was nineteen ninety four
and Kurt Cobain was a serial killer, and I was like,
I can't believe this is happening Kurt Cobain of all people.
So it's really seeping into parts of my brain that
it never should have. And Tessa and I will definitely
do that fire Walk with Me episode. If you haven't
(01:09:21):
seen Firewalk with Me, first, watch Twin Peaks. But you
could watch fire Walk with Me first. Honestly, maybe that'd
be too much of a spoiler, but it's like the
Twin Peaks movie, but it's so much darker. I've only
watched it once because it upset me so much. It
disturbed me so much. That's why I constitute it completely
(01:09:42):
as horror. And make sure you're following Tessa online. She's
fire Underscore, Walk Underscore with Underscore Me, Underscore Underscore three
one five.
Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
I think I got that right. I'll link to her
in this show notes as well. Thank you to the Weird.
Speaker 5 (01:10:03):
History Gal for helping us with our research for this one.
She's linked in the show notes to her YouTube channel
She's got lots of spooky stuff on there, lots of
weird stuff.
Speaker 6 (01:10:15):
What else?
Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
What else?
Speaker 5 (01:10:16):
So keep sending me your scary stories and your podcast ideas,
even if it's for just regular stuff that isn't scary,
because come November, we're back back on our bullshit, back
on our regular stuff. I'm also going to be recording
when I'm in I keep wanting to say Kansas when
I'm in Missouri with Fetch Fetch Casemo? What is their
(01:10:41):
handle on Instagram? Follow them?
Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
Follow them to Stephanie and Patrick. I adore them.
Speaker 5 (01:10:51):
Yeah, fetch it's spelled like fetch, then the letters casemo,
but I learned that they don't say it casemo, say
at cac mo. So very fancy, Missouri. But make sure
you're following them. To follow all my favorite people, and
(01:11:13):
follow me at Danielloscrima and Broad's next door at.
Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
On all the things.
Speaker 5 (01:11:19):
You can email me at broad'snextdoor dot com or Broad's
next door at gmail dot com. I have to go
do my taxes because I have not done those, and
it's October fifteenth and like five pm, so definitely definitely
(01:11:42):
feels like the right thing to do after learning about
the little grays. And what the government uses our tax
dollars on, which is mind control and spraying aliens with lysol,
making reptilians drink draino, kidnapping young boys for psychic experiments.
Speaker 2 (01:11:59):
Do these horrors ever end? Do they? We'll see I
love you very much. I'll talk to you very soon. Bye.
Just three hours from Manhattan on the eastern tip of
Long Island as Montalk, New York. There you'll find a
mysterious offend in military base called Camp Hero that spawned
dozens of urban legends, from widespread child abductions to.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Time travel to covert mind.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Control experiments, and these bizarre reported occurrences were collectively known
as the Montalk Project.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Montalk's been an obsession of mine for over thirty years.
The story goes between nineteen seventy one and nineteen eighty three,
secret experiments happened at the Camp Here Air Force Base,
which is only about a mile from here. When I
was a kid, I walked along this stretch of shore
here and I didn't realize there was a base here
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until military personnel stopped me and told me to go
the other way, and it sparked my interest for so
many years. Going forward, I spent about thirteen years investigating
the alleged Mantak Project. Local children were abducted off the streets,
brought to the base, and subjected to brutal mind control
(01:14):
experiments right under the now decaying Sage radar tower. To
be clear, the government's official position is there is no
underground structure of any kind here at Campuro. You know,
(01:36):
it's been a long time. I mean I've been coming
back and forth here for you know, thirteen years. But
we keep getting prevented to look around the perimeter.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Of the tower by home.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
We're trying to get permits to go and look past
the gate.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
We don't get it, you know, even though I was
born and raised here, lived here all my life, and
that gives me pause to say, well, maybe there was
something here.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
And if you really think there's something here, I think.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
You should consue it.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
Hello, neighbors, lovers, friends, and anyone who's ever.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Looked into a flickering screen hoping it would flicker back.
Speaker 5 (02:13):
I'm Daniella, Screama, and this is Broad's next door. Grab
your Hawkins Lab key card, put on your anti mind
control headband, then step carefully through that static because today
we're getting a broader understanding of Campiro, the Montalk project,
and what may or may not be hiding beneath the
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sands of Long Island. Hi, Hello, how is everyone? I
hope you are doing well, or at least not trapped
in a government facility attempting to astraly project into the
year twenty seven forty two today for our time travels
and government experiments.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
I am not alone.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
This didn't sound like a safe thing to do solo,
so I have my friend Tessa.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Here with me.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
You may know her from Instagram fire Walk with Me
three one five. She was also on our log Lady episode.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Tessa, Welcome back to the show.
Speaker 6 (03:16):
Hey, Zanila, thanks for having me back.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
Thank you for suggesting this idea for an episode, because
this was your idea and it was a very good one.
Speaker 6 (03:28):
On Things.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Did you see they just.
Speaker 5 (03:32):
Announced that season five of Stranger Things is going to
be like eight full length movies.
Speaker 6 (03:41):
Yeah, I guess that's why it's been taking so long.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
I feel like, isn't that like what they did with
like Game of Thrones and stuff too.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Toward the end, I feel like they were like ninety
minutes out of.
Speaker 6 (03:53):
Them more a little longer, definitely, but I feel like
ninety minutes to one hundred and twenty minutes really does
sound like a full movie.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
I wonder how they're gonna structure it.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
I also need to rewatch it because I was trying
to think of like what happened last and it was
like all the Vecna stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Right, Like, yeah, that that whole thing.
Speaker 5 (04:15):
I barely remember it. I don't even know what year
that was, twenty twenty three.
Speaker 6 (04:20):
It was definitely a few years ago. Yeah, while it's
kind of weird because they're all like grown up and
like adults now, I know.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
Like Millie Bobby Brown is more of an adult than me.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
She's like married with children.
Speaker 6 (04:37):
So I'm curious to see how it's gonna be. Yeah,
I wonder if it's gonna be like each character gets
their own episode even or something like that. I can't
they have to do something.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
I truly have no idea.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
I don't even remember how it ended, like how they
left it off.
Speaker 6 (04:53):
Like, yeah, I definitely need to rewatch it too.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
So it's and I think it came on the in
like twenty sixteen.
Speaker 6 (05:03):
Yeah, that sounds about right. But I'm excited for this
because I guess it's gonna be the final one, so
we'll finally get.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
Yeah, I mean, if they can't just keep doing this,
they can't be like they will return in twenty.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Thirty one for our final, our.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
Final season, so Stranger Things. The original name for the
project was called mon Talk.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
That's what they.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
Originally titled it before they went with Stranger Things, And
I don't know if that was just like a placeholder
name because movies and TV shows will do that sometimes
for leaks.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Or if they really wanted to call it that.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
But today we're talking about the mon Talk Project and Campiro,
which Stranger Things is based on, especially like the first season,
and I guess then they touch back to that. But
it's a decommissioned military base at the edge of Montalk,
Long Island.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
If you've seen.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, meet me in mon Talk,
same place, but they just meant the beach and not
like the government facility. And Tessa and I have both
been there, perhaps illegally, and at the end of the
episode we will share those stories with you, but for now,
(06:33):
we're going to share some stories of psychic kids, alien technology,
and mind control experiments. And Tessa, you've done like a
total deep dive for this, so I am going to
hand the mic over for you to you so you
(06:54):
can give us some intro into the lore of.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
The mon Talk Project.
Speaker 6 (07:03):
Awesome, Well, thank you. I'm actually I'm from Long Island.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
So where in Long Island are you from.
Speaker 6 (07:09):
I'm from the South Shore in Suffolk Areak the eastern half.
And so I think that Campiro has long been this
kind of like traditional place that young kids looking to
get into trouble would go explore.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Did you always know what it was?
Speaker 6 (07:28):
I remember hearing about it like at a really young age,
like in like middle school or something like that, that
like all the high school kids would go there, and
then I was a high school kid and then I
went there. So and it's just interesting because like everybody
has their own little tidbit to add about it, and
it always kind of just goes off when anyone ever
(07:51):
starts talking about it. But a lot of the research
that I did was through this girl, Josie who runs
this account called Weird History Gal. She's on YouTube and Instagram,
and she does a really incredible deep dive into the
history involved and especially some of the key figures involved,
(08:12):
and her YouTube channel has a lot more information about
it for anybody who's interested by what we talk about here.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
Yeah, I'll definitely link to her channel in the show notes,
So make sure you check that out and show her
some love.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
We love our deep divers.
Speaker 6 (08:32):
Yes, So it's interesting because like the way that this
military base is situated, it's like at the very most
eastern tip of Long Island, so it's right at the
very edge like on the water on.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Where it is. You can't go any further.
Speaker 6 (08:51):
Yeah, it's like they have bumper stickers that say the
end there that you can get like and it's just
it's very like ominous already. Just the area, it's.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
All talk is a weird place. It's a weird place.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
So does the Long Island Railroad even go there? Does
it have a stop?
Speaker 6 (09:11):
It must, there's like I think the last stop is
in Spi Okay, so it doesn't.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
Yeah, yeah, I wonder why they picked that place.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
I guess I mean because like rich people lived in
Long Island back then. Yeah, like how did they know
that Edi Beal wasn't going to just like wander wander
on over? They should have gotten her. They really really
fucked up there, And that's like the crossover.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
They probably wanted to stay close to like where the
lighthouse was and have like a good like you know,
vantage point because it was a military base.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
So and it's isolated and you can, I guess you
can see you only have like one land area where
you need to see where people coming in.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
And then I'm pretty sure there were always.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
Gates around it because it's military. And then they have
this giant, giant radio tower which is still there.
Speaker 6 (10:14):
It's ginormous. I think it's like one hundred and twenty
feet tall, and it's just this.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
It doesn't look normal either. It looks like science fiction.
Like it's not like your local radio station tower.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
No, not at all. It really looks like something out
of a comic book. And it's just it's unbelievable that
it's still sitting there too. I think they like close
up the door for it like every year or something,
because people just go there and break it open all
the time.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Do you think that there's anyone in there still.
Speaker 6 (10:46):
Like people? I like, it's hard to say, because, like,
I mean, there's definitely like a big homeless population on
Long Island.
Speaker 7 (10:55):
But oh, I mean like the government, Oh I don't
think so.
Speaker 6 (11:01):
No, they like flooded everything out. There's like there were
all these underground tunnels and things there too that are
completely filled with water now.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
Or they want us to think that they're filled with
water and it's a decoy and if you go further.
Speaker 6 (11:18):
Down maybe maybe. But it's interesting because it's like it's
built like this little like mock fishing village, Like it's
not meant to look like a military base, like it
actually just looks like houses and other than the radar tower.
The radar tower is the dead giveaway that's something weird
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is going on there. But like the rest of the
area itself, or just these little houses and like one's
meant to look like a school and one's meant to
look like a gymnasium, and it's like a mock fishing village.
But this tower kind of just looms over everything there,
(11:59):
and it was used to scan for German submarines during
World War Two, but then they decommissioned the whole place
in nineteen forty seven. But there's like these huge batteries
that are there too, that also like stored military vehicles
and held like large coastal gun emplacements, and they're like
(12:24):
hidden in the landscape like underneath these this smock village
and these little houses and the bluffs, because the whole
village is like like most of Long Island is only
like two ft feet above sea level, but like out
in Mantak, they are these bluffs, so the it kind
of gets a little bit higher there, but it's still
(12:46):
like very sand based if that makes sense.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
So did they when they say they decommissioned it, does
that mean they closed it? Yeah, like then they for
everything or that's when it all starts.
Speaker 6 (12:59):
That's when it kind of started. That was in nineteen
forty seven during World War Two, and then during like
the Cold War in the eighties, they opened it back
up again and they were doing weird stuff with the
radar tower that wasn't so focused on German U boats.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
Another boat thing that also involves time travel that I
believe actually happened is the Philadelphia Experiment and that in
nineteen fifty five.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
What was that boat the USSL Ridge.
Speaker 6 (13:35):
So they think that a lot of the people that
were involved with the Philadelphia Experiment and the Phoenix Experiment
were involved with the Montalk project.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
What was the Phoenix Experiment.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
It's like another similar kind of like time travel sort
of weird interdimensional portal type super secret conspiracy project, crazy
same vein, all the same vein.
Speaker 5 (14:05):
Yeah, and a lot of this was like part of
like people will talk about Project paper Clip as well,
and that's like what a lot of like the human
experiments come from. And that's one like that we know
was real. I'm pretty sure where. Yeah, after World War Two,
they brought like a bunch of fucking psychotic Nazi doctors
(14:28):
over and we're like, no, no, you should still continue
your work.
Speaker 6 (14:33):
Yeah, And that's what like a lot of the lore
around this ends up being about too, And it's all
very much in the same vein for sure. And like
the original mission of this military base was strategic defense,
(14:54):
but then it very much evolved into something else a
lot darker during the Cold War.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
Okay, so the Phoenix The Phoenix program was designed and
initially coordinated by the CIA during the Vietnam War, involving
the American and South Vietnamese militaries and a small number
of special forces.
Speaker 6 (15:19):
Whoa, so that's pretty long ago.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
They had all of that and still lost to that war.
Speaker 6 (15:26):
Yeah wow, yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
Good good job US government. And it sounds like this
one isn't even like denied, just like certain aspects of it.
Speaker 6 (15:40):
Yeah, and like I don't know, like I don't know
what I believe happened in any of these things either,
like the truths behind it. It's just like so convoluted
the stuff that you even get to know that, like
you know, something went on, but like it's hard to
put your finger on what exactly.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Definitely, And I.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
Think it's also designed that way that they put in
like enough crazy details that the people that do talk
about it sound like very tinfoil hats.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
But we do know that the.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
Government did so many insane things, Like I did an
episode over the summer which I'll probably re release this
month because I feel like it constitutes as horror. But
it was all just about like medical experiments that were
done against people's consent. And like the fact that all
of that happened it makes me feel like if they
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could do the whole psychic spies thing.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
They.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
They totally would absolutely and then like and we know
like a lot of the psychic spy stuff was true
because of documents about like the Gateway Project, which I've
taught talked about before.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Do you know about the Gateway.
Speaker 6 (17:03):
Project remind me again of Void.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
So that's where they.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
Had people that was all about astral projection and they
had people listen to these tapes for remote viewing. I
actually after my dog died that was so that was
part of the Stargate project and it was all investigating
whether psychic phenomenon was real because they heard that the
(17:28):
Soviets had psychic spies, so they were like, oh my god,
we need psychic spies too, and this guy.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Uri Geller was a huge part of it.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
The Monroe Institute released like these tapes, and in twenty
twenty one, I started doing the tapes because I heard
it was just like really extreme like transcendental meditation. And
you listen to these tapes and it's a lot of visualization,
so it like has you visual yourself and then you
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build this ball of energy around yourself and it's binarial beats.
So you're here, you have to have headphones on and
you're hearing one thing in one ear and another thing
and the other and it has you go through like
this series of steps basically until your body gets like
very like vibrady and vibrational, which happens a lot if
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you're doing like deep meditation. So I was like, oh,
this is really cool. This is just like super sped
up deep meditation. And I do it for this for months,
Like for months I was super depressed. My dog had
just died, and then one day I'm watching vander Pump Rules.
Highly recommend for those of you who haven't seen. It's
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kind of like Stranger Things but a reality TV show
said in Los Angeles, and there's this episode where Jack's teller,
like one of the villains of the show, keeps saying
he's the number one guy in this group.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
I'm the number one in this group. And every time
he said.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
Number one, I would draw a circle around my forehead.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
With my finger.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
And the rest of the day, every time I heard
the number one, I had to do that like compulsively, like.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
It was an itch. And I was like, what is
happening here?
Speaker 5 (19:21):
So I went when I was completely awake, and I
listened to the tape I had done the night before,
and one of the things he said in it was
every time I say the number one, you will draw
a finger or you will draw a circle on your
forehead with your finger. And I was like, fuck, I'm
ci ate myself.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
What the hell else have I heard? And like, what
other code can they use on me now to like
make me a sleeper agent? And that was like only
in the matter of a few months.
Speaker 6 (19:53):
So Garry, that's like I believe in that stuff. And hypnosis,
it's the in mind is a really interesting and easily
influenced thing.
Speaker 5 (20:07):
So and that was done at Fort Meade in Maryland,
but also at Stanford in California, and they say they
decommissioned that one in nineteen eighty seven because they didn't
find enough evidence.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
But I don't know.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
That's what the movie and book, The Men who Stare
at goats.
Speaker 6 (20:31):
Yeah, I'm gonna do that.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
Actually, that's one of the things they would try and
do is kill a goat with their mind. And so
many people say that it happened that they saw this.
Speaker 6 (20:40):
So I don't know. They definitely were experimenting with things
like that and trying to see what they could do,
and I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of that
stuff was involved with Campiro specifically too.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
Yeah, I mean, I feel like it's only a matter
of time before, like because like with the Gateway Project,
they denied that and denied that and denied that until
two thousand and three when like a bunch of the
CIA documents were released and they're redacted. But then like
they came out and you can read about it, and
it's like people being like I astral projected to Mars.
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I did remote viewing on this, and it's really really
well documented about the things that people were able to
remote view and see.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
So the idea that they've stopped doing that is just completely,
completely unbelievable to me. But I digress.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
Let's go back to Long Island, to Campio and hear
what these crazy people allegedly did.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
Well, So they said that they The historical record says
that the base closed following World War Two, but then
it was reopened in the nineteen eighties for top secret
scientific research known as the Man Talk Project, and so
a lot of conspiracy theorists say that this secret operation
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drew on a lot of the discoveries of Nikola Tesla,
even and theories and experimentation were considered unorthodox bi conventional
science and had a lot to do with like mind
control and radio wave experiments and things like that. And
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in some of Nikola Tesla's letters he actually referred to
correspondence with highly advanced beings from outer space.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
He built some crazy radio tower too test.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (22:50):
Yeah, so I think that they were using a lot
of his work to kind.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Of yeah, they after they killed him.
Speaker 6 (22:57):
Yeah, I love Nikola Tesla rip. Yeah. So it's it's
rumored that those that were working on the Montalk project
were the same people who were involved with the Phoenix
projects and the Philadelphia projects.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yeah, all of the freaking CIA.
Speaker 6 (23:17):
Yeah, And they were trying to like contact like interdimensional
beings through some of these experiments, and according to some
published accounts, extraterrestrials assisted the CIA with mind control and
interdimensional travel that open portals to other dimensions and let
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beings in from beyond that still roam around the site,
according to some of these people.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
I kind of believe this, Like if I was an
alien post World War two, after the United States has
had used nuclear bombs, I would just be like, no,
I'm not coming to your dimension. You try and shoot
us out of the sky every time we try and visit.
But I guess if they like had mastered interdimensional travel
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where they don't even need spacecraft, maybe they felt safer
doing it or had ulterior motives that.
Speaker 6 (24:20):
Yeah, I feel like ulterior motives probably more so.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
Like maybe some like like more shady aliens like a
tall gray or something, I.
Speaker 6 (24:32):
Don't know, or like maybe they knew something was gonna
happen in the future that we didn't know about, and
they're like had other goals in relation to that. I
don't know. It could be a lot of different reasons,
but apparently they lived in the bunkers underneath in the tunnels.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Of the interdimensional beings did.
Speaker 6 (24:57):
Yeah, that's what is rumored. And supposedly there's other declarations
that there were children that were used in these mind
control experiments and kids that were put under hypnosis spells
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and sacrificed in the name of science. According to certain legends,
like they would kidnap like little orphans and subject them
to some of this experiments.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
But yeah, in nineteen ninety two, Preston B.
Speaker 5 (25:35):
Nichols and Peter Moon, they published this book The mon
Talk Projects Experiments in Time, and they also supposedly allegedly
talked to these boys, because I think it was just
boys that were in the press too.
Speaker 6 (25:54):
And I think originally the script for Stranger Things was
supposed to be about a little boy and they changed
it to be a girl.
Speaker 5 (26:00):
Yeah, girls are more psychic anyways than that makes sense.
That's another thing that doesn't make sense to me. Why
did they only kidnap little boy orphans. Maybe they didn't
want to deal with like puberty, or they knew that
psychic girls going through puberty like might carry white them.
Speaker 6 (26:18):
I have no idea. Yeah, probably that that's what they
were thinking. Definitely. Maybe they're just too they care too
much to see things going on that they can't deal with.
I don't know, but that is very interesting. And like
that whole book with Preston Nichols, like it's so weird
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because it like all originates from like he was involved
in some sort of telepathy program and then he started
going to like events where other people recognized him and
he didn't remember them, and they were like, yeah, you
were my boss when I worked at this government facility
in mon Talk, and he would be like, what are
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you talking about? I never worked there. And he had
all these like repressed memories and he had to like
go uncover them and like meet other people that could
help him remember where this alternative life that he had
no memory of happened.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
And in this book, I have the notes pulled up
right now. So they claimed that the Philadelphia experiment, the
thing with moving the uss L Ridge, so that was
part of Project Rainbow, and that started in nineteen forty three.
They claimed that that evolved into the Phoenix project and
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then all of that evolved into the mon Talk project
that then it moved to Long Eye, to Long Island.
Speaker 6 (27:52):
I wonder where it is now.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Good question.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
I feel like if they had sense, they would like
take get overseas or.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Put it inside like a mountain.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
That's what I would do if I was like an
able CIA agent.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
I would have like one of those mountains.
Speaker 7 (28:11):
But.
Speaker 6 (28:13):
That would be a good spot. I've also heard about
like connections of Preston Nichols to William Cooper, who supposedly
had some sort of connection to one of the CIA
operatives that were in charge at Campiro. And this guy,
William Cooper also wrote a book called Behold the Pale Horse,
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which I think ended up being banned for a while,
but it was like pretty well known. But I think
that he maybe directly references a lot of stuff that
Preston Nichols talks about in his book. But I don't
know whether to think either of those guys are hacks
or heroes.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Like Yeah, there's also.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
Another guy, Stuart Swordlow, who says he would really involved
in the Montalk projects and it helped like boost the
psychicness of the facilities themselves. But he also says that
after like having severe PTSD, So I mean I would too. Yeah,
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and then there's the Montalk Monster. I don't know if
you have any of that in your right.
Speaker 6 (29:29):
I didn't write about that, but I have my own
theories on that for sure, because Montalk is pretty close
to Plumb Island.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
What is Plumb Island.
Speaker 6 (29:40):
Plumb Island is a government owned It's a privately owned
island that has a lot of ties with the government
and funding from the government, and they do a lot
of experimenting on different viruses and bacterias and things there,
and like it's very very high security, like no one
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is allowed there in or out without without passes, and
like you have to have clearance to even go there.
And like if animals from like the from the bay
like come, like if the deer swims across to the shores,
they shoot the deer on site because they don't let
other animals or living life come onto the island because
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they're afraid of things getting taken, like viruses being transported
off of the island. And a lot of people think
that's where like lime disease came from, and like.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
Okay, I have heard the lime disease thing about that
before that, yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
It isn't like I feel like there's like.
Speaker 5 (30:46):
Also like the involving like dumping like nuclear waste from
like nuclear experiments and which the government really did do
like all across the country as well as like doing
nuclear testing without like letting anyone know, just being like, well,
everyone will either probably be fine or will light the
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whole atmosphere on fire. Let's let's see how it goes.
Speaker 6 (31:12):
Yeah, so I feel like the Montalk monster is probably
some sort of result of something like that, like I
don't know, some sort of just experiment that accidentally like
fell off the boat and washed off, washed up the
shore or something like that from one of those government
testing islands. But that's just kind of my hunch.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Are you done with all the stuff?
Speaker 6 (31:42):
Yeah, Yeah, Well I was just not sure if you
wanted to say something.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
No, No, I'm good. Sorry, I don't have yours in
front of me.
Speaker 6 (31:52):
I thought you were talking about then talk monsters, get
I get sidetracked.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Okay, but keep going, keep telling us.
Speaker 6 (32:02):
But yeah, so it's just really interesting to see how
that whole influence of Campiro kind of took off and
became stranger things, because I definitely could see how some
of the lore around it helped create such a cool story,
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and I definitely had my own experience there that was
interesting and made me feel a little weird.
Speaker 5 (32:34):
For sure, we're gonna save that. We're gonna save that
for the for the very end. Let's just take a
moment to sit with the fact that the government allegedly,
but like maybe not allegedly created psychic child, created psychic
child soldiers in a bunker underneath a state park, and
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no one's allowed to talk about it unless it's rebranded
as Prestige television maybe because if that's not American, I mean,
I don't know what is. And we're both skeptical on this,
but I absolutely believe the government is always hiding something.
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If they were doing psychic warfare and interdimensional experiments in
the early eighties, it does kind of make sense.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
That was the.
Speaker 5 (33:26):
Decade we got Cabbage Patch Kids, the Satanic Panic, Ronald Reagan,
and New Coke, So really, what was reality anyway? But
what really sticks with me is the idea of mon
talk boys, kids allegedly abducted, traumatized, and programmed to be weapons.
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Whether that's literal or symbolic, I can't help but think
of all the ways children have been used and harmed
in the name of science.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Secrecy, or power.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
We have the Tuskegee air Men, mk ultra residential schools.
So when someone says they wouldn't do that, it's kind
of like, well, they already did.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Maybe they didn't do it like this, but who's to say.
Speaker 5 (34:13):
And can we talk about that radar tower thing again
for a second, because it's still standing, Like, why wouldn't
they take that down?
Speaker 6 (34:25):
Yeah, it's definitely such a safety hazard and it's falling apart,
and I don't understand how it's still standing there with
very minimal security around the basis.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
That's why I feel like people still have to be
there or like or it's a hazard to take it down,
but I feel like it's more of a hazard to
leave it.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Up and not use it.
Speaker 5 (34:51):
And Okay, so we talked about the radio tower, we
talked about the moon Talk boys. I am going to
play a clip for us from Weird History Gal, who
we Tessa mentioned before we started talking, and this is
from her video the Experiments of the mon Talk Project
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to the conspiracy that inspired Stranger Things. So this is
like an hour long video. I will link to the
full thing in the show notes and I highly recommend
you watch it, but we're just gonna hear a small
clip for now.
Speaker 7 (35:30):
At a Reptilian had an office next to his, and
everybody for to this guy as your Highness Draco, and
he continuously refers to this person or being as your
Highness Draco through the interview, so it's it's pretty entertaining.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Next office is the secretary.
Speaker 5 (35:47):
For the aliens.
Speaker 8 (35:49):
Across the way was the alien's office Reptilia.
Speaker 7 (35:52):
The interviewer is unsurprisingly intrigued by this and asks him
about the dynamic between your Highness Draco and the rest
of the Montak personnel.
Speaker 8 (36:01):
I don't have that much to do with it.
Speaker 6 (36:08):
They do all.
Speaker 5 (36:09):
Have the Long Island accents, so I feel like that
gives them credibility.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Credibility.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
Okay, so she's talking about some guys who are involved
in their the experiments and basically like this lizard King
Reptilian in her dimensional being that they had to shower.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
So let's hear a little bit more about that.
Speaker 5 (36:32):
And then she's also is going to talk about how
it was all funded, which is a question I have.
Speaker 7 (36:37):
To Kristen also tells a story about.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
How he had a container of drain up. Don't try
this at home, kids, it won't end well. And then
the other things that hy drug side.
Speaker 8 (37:08):
Project unto was using.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
This comes into.
Speaker 5 (37:32):
What do you think these men are just insane? They're
talking about interdimensional being. They have named him His Highness Draco,
who coincidentally loves drinking draino.
Speaker 6 (37:48):
Yeah, it's pretty far fetched. It sounds like a big
reach there. It's just it's like, I want to believe
that there are interest dimensional beings. I want the proof,
but then it's just doesn't do it.
Speaker 5 (38:02):
Video game character like Bowser from Mario and then he
was and he starts drinking draino.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Okay, I'm sorry, sir, to cut you off.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
During your Sir Highness Draco speech.
Speaker 7 (38:23):
Preston explained this by saying that reptilians must have alkaline blood.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
And I don't know how accurate any of that is.
Speaker 7 (38:30):
I don't really care to look into if reptiles have
alkaline blood and if they can drink draina.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
I just don't care. It just doesn't I don't know.
This is just one of the parts of the story that.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Just like if a lizard drank dreino, it would die. Yeah,
very confident in that.
Speaker 5 (38:48):
I have never taken a chemist dry class, but I
just I'm gonna stand by that.
Speaker 6 (38:55):
Yeah, I would have to agree with you.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
I remember it having.
Speaker 7 (39:03):
Kristin also claimed as I did say that the graves
were involved and that they also were base alongside the
rest of the normal personnel.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
And he stated that they were short and it.
Speaker 7 (39:13):
Smelled like fecal matter and also had a very interesting
response to cleaning products.
Speaker 4 (39:19):
The little Grays, I think the idea that's only around
the UF.
Speaker 5 (39:24):
See I messed it up though I thought it was
going to be the tall Grays, and it was the
grays was the tiny ones, and they of course do
smell eggs alfur obviously.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
Through the Sish.
Speaker 8 (39:41):
Memories of those grades really taking owner of it. So
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on the consary get themselves.
Speaker 5 (40:17):
So Sir Draco gets drunk from Dreno, but the little
Grays get drunk from being.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Sprayed with lysol.
Speaker 5 (40:25):
I feel like there's like an alcoholism theme happening in
the depths.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Of mon Talk.
Speaker 6 (40:33):
Yeah, sounds like a pretty big story there.
Speaker 5 (40:39):
I just m even if I saw all of this,
I feel like I would edit my story going forward,
like there were some things I would omit and all. Anyway,
Like any gray alien is telepathic. Everyone obviously knows that,
so I feel like even thinking that around them being like, oh,
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these guys smell like shit would just be like a
really bad idea.
Speaker 6 (41:09):
Yeah, probably not so great for him. Maybe they were
just messing with him. And after that, let's hear how
it ends.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
Don't ask me.
Speaker 7 (41:23):
This part of it is just it's a little too
wild to take seriously, but it's a part of this
whole thing. Extraterrestrial technology was also involved, as you're probably
not surprised to hear, but I will get to that
a little later in the video.
Speaker 4 (41:35):
This brings me before we get into the actual experiments.
Speaker 7 (41:38):
I'm sure you get wait for that at this point,
but this brings me to the last imperative part of
this that is worth mentioning, which is the funding, or
in simpler terms, who was paying for this. Funding was
said to have come from the Nazi which is another
disturbing part of this story, especially if it is all
made up.
Speaker 4 (41:56):
Why.
Speaker 7 (41:56):
I guess it makes sense because the Nazis have been
involved in a lot of horrific things, and the nature
of the experiments again, it just sounds like something Nazis
would do, but it's just again, it's disturbing.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
Preston stated that.
Speaker 7 (42:08):
In nineteen forty four, an American troop train traveling through
a French tunnel carrying hundreds of billions of dollars worth
of seiz Nazi gold and fifty one gis was dynamited.
Speaker 4 (42:19):
The gold allegedly showed.
Speaker 7 (42:21):
Up in Montalk somehow and was used to finance the
project until it ran out. General George Patton was spoken
of in association with this event. Yet while researching, the
only event I found that comes anywhere close to this
in terms of it being real is said to have
been an urban legend. The Nazi gold train was again
said to have been an urban legend.
Speaker 4 (42:41):
Nobody has actually been.
Speaker 7 (42:42):
Able to find it, So this is again another one
of those events that seems to be construed in the
way that was convenienced to go along with this whole story.
But if you guys have any insight, feel free to
leave it in the comments. There was one event where
American troops seized a train of stolen Hungarian golds from
the Nazis, and I'm teen forty five, which tragically was
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not properly reappropriated. But again it is not the same
event or anywhere close to I pressed and described, But anyway,
for the story's sake, after the gold supposedly ran. Now,
the Manta project was said to have been funded afterward
by the dynastic German Krupp family through Itt Corporation, who
manufactured munitions during World War Two, so they were keeping
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the funding within the realm of the Nazis, which is
just great, not my sarcasm. Anyway, Onto the part of
this that you've probably all been waiting for. I'll probably
timestamp this part for the people that don't want to
go through with the rest of the video to get
to this. Onto the faded experiments. The earliest experiments were
called the microwave oven.
Speaker 4 (43:42):
Experiments, which sound really safe. Again, note my sarcasm. These
would have begun.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
I didn't even know they had microwave ovens.
Speaker 6 (43:51):
Then, yeah, I wonder when the first one was Actually
maybe this is how it was invented. Microwaves were invented, all.
Speaker 5 (44:00):
Right, the history of microwaves and the outside of the
project in the early nineteen seventies, and these experiments entailed
the reflector of the Sage radar tower being.
Speaker 7 (44:09):
Rotated and angled down at a building where they would
place a psychic and observe how the microwave energy would
affect the subject. As they change things like the pulse
rate with and frequency of the waves being omitted by
the transmitter of the sage radar tower. Essentially, a lot
of ensued, and the main goal of a scientist was to.
Speaker 4 (44:31):
Observe what input would produce what effect in the subject.
Speaker 7 (44:35):
They observed certain inputs made subjects a cry, sleep, and
so on. These were essentially the mind control experiments in
their earliest development.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
Okay, aren't microwave waves just radiation?
Speaker 5 (44:47):
Though? Wouldn't this just like make their sperm count dwindle?
Speaker 6 (44:53):
Maybe it does both two for one.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
That's not abandoned male bird control. Yet we may have
found a solution here.
Speaker 7 (45:04):
Who I did previously discuss was said to have been
a proficient psychic.
Speaker 4 (45:09):
And was used primarily in all of these experiments.
Speaker 7 (45:12):
He was supposedly trained by the NSA to remote views.
Speaker 4 (45:29):
Of all of the things I doubt about this whole project.
Speaker 7 (45:32):
Duncan being trained by the government to remote view is
the least far fetched in my opinion, This would be
a whole separate video. But the government has verifiably done
experiments involving esp through projects sun Streets known as Stargate,
in which psychic's remote viewed targets like the surface of Mars,
and also picked up relevant information about the Oklahoma City bombing.
Speaker 5 (45:54):
So I've never heard the Oklahoma City bombing thing, because
that didn't happen until nineteen ninety three, and they claimed
to end this in nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
But this is the same Monroe Institute.
Speaker 5 (46:07):
Tapes that I accidentally hypnotized myself with, and that really
freaks me out. And we do know that they really
did these things, whether how much you believe in the
accuracy of them. That was something that decades and decades
were spent on of trying to make psychic spies and soldiers.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
Let's hear a few more minutes of experiments.
Speaker 7 (46:33):
I certainly don't believe that it's outside the realm of
possibility that Duncan could have been trained in this way,
and it may be one of the very minute grains
of truth within this whole thing.
Speaker 4 (46:42):
But back to the microwave experiments.
Speaker 7 (46:45):
Experiment, as you can imagine, were not safe at all,
and they were supposedly quickly modified to become safer by
turning the antenna the opposite way and aiming non burning
rays at the subject, which was apparently discovered to have
the same effect as the original setup. In fact, Preston
plain these experiments caused Duncan to become medically brain dead
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and use this to reason that the soul and the
body must be separate entities, and that Duncan's soul must
have been running his body in absence of the ability
of his brain. And this is just Preston's reasoning, not mine.
I do believe that the body and the soul are
two separate things, and that the soul has its own intelligence,
But I don't know if it was actually medically brained.
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I don't know about the possibility of what Preston described,
but I'm just relaying the story to you guys.
Speaker 4 (47:34):
Remember it happened.
Speaker 7 (47:35):
The test subjects eventually did extend beyond the realm of.
Speaker 4 (47:39):
Just these psychics that were employed to work on the project.
Speaker 7 (47:42):
Experimenting was done on army units that were supposedly invited
to the base for R and R, as well as
civilians from Long Island, upstate New York, New Jersey, Connecticut,
anywhere sort of within the tri state area.
Speaker 4 (47:55):
It sounds like it wasn't.
Speaker 7 (47:57):
Specified how researchers got their hands on these subjects. But
when we consider that they eventually began using abducted young
boys to do their psychic research, who infamously became known
as them ontalk boys. I would imagine they obtained these
adult subjects also without consent.
Speaker 4 (48:14):
If you catch my drift.
Speaker 7 (48:16):
Through experimenting, researchers discovered something called frequency hopping, which was
essentially abruptly shifting the frequency a subject was being zapped behind,
and it apparently opened the door to the time bending experiments.
Speaker 4 (48:30):
Though they didn't get fully into them at this point.
Speaker 5 (48:35):
Okay, A big question that I have is if they
did all of this, why wouldn't they have just killed
everyone afterward?
Speaker 6 (48:43):
Yeah? Well, I think that there were supposedly a lot
of people that did die. They said that some of
the boys had died and were like hypnotized to walk
off of the tops of buildings and things like that.
But I would the same thing. But there was also
a lot of discussion that Josie talks about in her
(49:06):
videos with Preston Nichols, having repressed memories about things and
like having to go to these places and like try
to remember what role he played when he worked there,
and having to uncover these repressed memories and things that
were like pushed down into his subconscious So I don't
(49:29):
know if that is something that would.
Speaker 5 (49:31):
I have a bit of a problem with the whole
uh repressed memories thing, because that's one.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
Way we know that, like.
Speaker 5 (49:40):
Why you're not supposed to try and get someone to
remember something under hypnosis and things like that, because it's
very easy.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
To create false memories.
Speaker 5 (49:51):
But the Philadelphia Experiment has a lot of stories like
that too. Like so basically the Philadelphia Experiment, they have
this ship, the us US Eldridge. It's in some bay
by Philadelphia. They move it into the future and a
bunch of they have like sheep on it and goats,
(50:11):
and also a bunch of navy sailors whatever they are.
People are that are on ships, and some of them
get melded into the metal or completely disfigured. Some of
them go completely insane. One man is like, who am I?
I don't know who I am, and they tell him
you're the captain of the USS Elridge. So this is
(50:36):
where this stuff gets a little bit harder for me
to believe.
Speaker 6 (50:42):
I think that like, if you're messing with some of
these things on any level, it's gonna mess with your head.
Though down the lines, So it's like it's it's hard
because like so much of this is really muddy and
a lot of the sources are questionable and unverifiable, and
like then you're dealing with things that have to do
(51:04):
with stuff that's going to affect you mentally, So it's
like how much can you trust the stories that are
coming out of it?
Speaker 2 (51:15):
For sure?
Speaker 5 (51:16):
And there's also reports of people hearing radio frequencies inside
their heads, strange animal behavior, collective nightmares, like all things
that are not normal. But what if it doesn't need
to be real to matter? What if these stories, this
lore are how we make sense of things that don't fit,
(51:37):
unexplainable trauma, missing time, paranoia that could be premonition.
Speaker 2 (51:44):
The Montak project seems like.
Speaker 5 (51:46):
It's one of those rare stories that feels too weird
to be made up, but too disjointed to fully be believed.
And maybe that's the point. Maybe it's not about whether
the experiments have exactly like this, but about what these
legends are really trying to tell us. That institutions lie,
(52:08):
that children do vanish, that power absolutely warps reality, and
sometimes you have to follow the static And Tessa, do
you want to tell us about the time that you
did just to that.
Speaker 6 (52:25):
Yes, I'm happy to share it. I definitely want to
start off by telling everyone, like, don't ever do any
of the things that I'm about to talk about in
the story, because it definitely feels pretty dangerous looking back
on it, and I'm glad I have the wherewithal now
(52:48):
not to make decisions like that, But anyone listening, like,
don't think this is a good idea. And I definitely
don't know how I feel about it any of it,
but I definitely feel like something weird was going on
there overall, and after having this experience, I probably have
(53:10):
even more questions than answers, but it's it's something that
I'll always remember, and it's just it haunts me forever.
Speaker 5 (53:23):
You're scaring me more than the guy that made a
lizard person drink Dreno right now.
Speaker 6 (53:30):
But I was like nineteen, probably I'm pretty stupid, and
I had grown up like hearing lots of stories about
Campiro and lots of kids in high school that I
knew would go break in there and do graffiti on
the walls and things like that and like try to
get in the tower, And so I tried. I did
(53:54):
my whole getting over my dangerously explore abandoned places with
reckless ambition phase. So I definitely I went when I
was nineteen with a small group of people and we
took the trek out there to kind of investigate around
the radar tower and the town. But listen, like I
(54:17):
didn't know that there were like live mines still on
the beach, Like that's definitely something to know before you
go into.
Speaker 5 (54:25):
They have signs that say that, or did you find
out afterwards?
Speaker 6 (54:29):
I found out afterwards that apparently there are signs on
the beach, but I did not see any going in,
And like I went in like to like an area
where like the fence was all like disheveled and it
was just kind of easy to get in. It really
wasn't like hopping a fence or anything like that. Like
it was very minimal security at the time when we went,
(54:52):
and like it's just so run down, like there's hardly
anybody that works out there. There are like some park
rangers that do little patrols and stuff, but I mean
it's very minimal. And hopefully I'm not incriminating myself too
much with the story, but it's been like over fifteen years.
Speaker 5 (55:10):
So I think that's all I do on this show
is incriminate myself. They're gonna come for me just for
talking about like the my astral projection ability.
Speaker 2 (55:19):
I're gonna be like, all right, let's let's say number
two and see what she does.
Speaker 6 (55:25):
Yeah. Probably. But so I went in there with this
little group of people and we're like kind of just
looking at the graffiti that was really impressive, and we
went up to the radar tower first, but it was
like really really intimidating, and the door had been like
(55:48):
blasted open, but everything was just rusting out, Like the
whole like radar tower is like falling on the ground.
There's pieces of it everywhere, all in the grass, and
the door had been pried open and it's like warped
and bent and hanging off, and like you go in
there and there's no windows and it's just it's so
(56:10):
unsafe feeling. It's like very overwhelming. And the whole first
set of stairs is like completely rusted out and just
like dismantled in a pile of rubble on the ground.
Like it's just it's I can't believe it hasn't fallen down.
Speaker 2 (56:26):
This tower truly truly.
Speaker 5 (56:28):
That's why it seems like more of a hazard to
leave all of this there than to get rid of it.
Speaker 6 (56:34):
Yeah, it definitely does. And it's like all like concrete
and steel, Like it's like a big rectangle and it's
like one hundred and twenty feet tall or something. But
so we kind of just looked up the stairs and
we were just like, no way, this is too scary,
and so at least we had enough common sense to
(56:56):
do that, and they're not go upstairs.
Speaker 2 (56:59):
That would have crumbled underneath.
Speaker 6 (57:00):
Yeah, they absolutely would have crumbled.
Speaker 5 (57:03):
Either A Long Island teenager dead last night.
Speaker 6 (57:08):
Yeah, definitely would be the headlines the next day. But
so we like kind of just we came out of
there and we started going onto other areas to kind
of explore because we thought it would be safer. But like, regrettably,
this is where things definitely kind of took a turn
because we went into this building like a couple buildings
(57:30):
away from the tower, and like from the outside, it
just looks like like a simple two story wooden frame
house with boarded up windows. But then when you go inside,
like you realize the whole structure was like made out
of concrete, like everything in there, and like you go
(57:52):
there was like there was like a metal ladder that
led down into the basement that's like twenty feet down
like just like a regular metal ladder god down into
a hatch like the hatch of.
Speaker 5 (58:07):
Lost truly, I mean like, yeah, Desmond Hume is my constant.
Speaker 6 (58:12):
Yeah, it doesn't definitely down there pressing about. But like
and it's weird because Long Island is so low, like
we're two feet above sea level, Like you have basements, Yeah,
we have basements, but like like in certain areas people don't.
(58:34):
It's very it's very area based because there are certain
places that are too low. Like this specific area has
a lot of bluffs and stuff, so the terrain does
get higher, but like it's all sand like, so you
have to have good engineering to be able to build
basements in that area. Like and there's a lot of
concrete involved, definitely, But so we kind of and and
(59:02):
I like I said, like all of those tunnels and
stuff were like float like flooded out now in Campiro.
So like when we were looking down these stairs into
this basement, there's like a trap door at the bottom
of the basement. So there was another level beneath where
(59:22):
you could see them.
Speaker 2 (59:24):
That's where they are, That's where the people are.
Speaker 6 (59:27):
It's so scary. But and apparently a lot of people
have like broken into this place to steal copper and
metals and sell them and stuff like that too, so
there's a lot of shape.
Speaker 2 (59:38):
You're good for them being resource.
Speaker 6 (59:43):
But so we were kind of like scared of that
little has that little area and uh even more and
I was like, okay, like let's go upstairs. And I
definitely had some emotional hesitancy and so really go upstairs,
and it was like even more death trappy somehow because
(01:00:05):
at the top there's like it was like a concrete
room with like artillery windows like where you could stick
guns out of like little slits, and like that room
was all concrete, and then the one next to it
was the only one that wasn't concrete. It was made
out of wood, and that was like the one that
(01:00:26):
had the normal window on that room, but it was
like boarded up. So it was really really dark in
that adjacent room, and like when we went to walk
in there, like it smelled really really bad, like like
like a little gray. Yeah, probably like yeah, now that
(01:00:48):
I'm thinking about it probably.
Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
It all comes full circle.
Speaker 6 (01:00:55):
And yeah, and so it was like and I just
had like just so much anxiety and panic, like like
starting to walk into that room and like you just
get hit with the smell and like you feel completely
overtaken and like it was like musty and like rotten,
(01:01:16):
and we just all I was like first in the group.
I don't know how I was going first, and like
I just immediately got so scared, and both me and
the first person like took a couple of steps and
like we heard the floorboards cracked and we were just
like nop. And like then like we heard something in
the back part of the room like drop, and we're
(01:01:40):
just like uh, and like we had lights and stuff,
so we flash around. Nothing's there. We couldn't see anything,
and I just like felt so overwhelmed, and we were
just like okay, let's go. Like we weren't even talking
at that point, and like all the air had just
been stupped out of the room and we were just
like this is too weird, and so like we decided
(01:02:04):
to leave and we weren't We were all in a
different mood after this happened, because it was just definitely
creepy and like uncomfortable, and we like just didn't feel
good in the house anymore and wanted to leave. And
so like when we were going, we're outside and I
took a picture of the house with my crappy two
(01:02:24):
thousand and nine BlackBerry phone, and I.
Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
Missed my BlackBerry.
Speaker 6 (01:02:30):
Yeah, I missed all this, all.
Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
This mind control. And they couldn't have left us BlackBerry phones.
Speaker 6 (01:02:37):
But when I got home, I like was looking at
the pictures and I look at that picture of the
house that we were in, and no, next to one
of the windows we know of the room that was
wooden and smelled bad and made the scary noise, there
was like this clear as day like face like these
it's like bald heads, sunk in eyes little.
Speaker 5 (01:03:00):
Oh oh, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
You didn't have your life cyle to get them, Drunker,
it could have.
Speaker 6 (01:03:07):
Been a real I should have brought it.
Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
Did you lose your mind? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (01:03:12):
I lost my mind. And like literally everyone I've ever
showed the picture to just right away just like zooms
in and it's just like, what the heck is that like?
And I tried to go back one time after because
I was like so creeped out by it. I was like,
we could take another picture and see if anything happens,
and nothing happened. There wasn't anything there, Like I also
(01:03:33):
it was a BlackBerry. It could have been like a
crappy photo, but like it really looked like a face.
Like I'm telling you, do you still have the picture? Yeah?
I do. I can.
Speaker 5 (01:03:44):
Oh my god, we have to use it in our
social media post for this, just to send it home.
My story is not nearly as scary as this at all.
I went here in two thousand and seven when I
was like how old was I then twenty two with
my friend Marissa who lived in Queens but like closer
(01:04:04):
to Long Island, and we had gone to Target beforehand.
I'd bought like a Halter top and cowboy boots and wanted.
Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
To do a photo shoot.
Speaker 5 (01:04:13):
And she's like, oh, I know this, Like we used
to go to this like government base place and we
went into like one of the buildings and there were
like a speed aware of asbestos signs and all these
no smoking signs and literally just did a photo shoot.
Like literally, it's just thirst straps of me with like
government destruction in the background.
Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
If there would have been a little gray I wouldn't
have even.
Speaker 5 (01:04:37):
Noticed it, or it would have just been like posts
get in my picture.
Speaker 6 (01:04:42):
Well, I'm glad you didn't get blown up by the
hidden land munch.
Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
She had no idea about that. Just so, what do
we think true?
Speaker 4 (01:04:54):
Not true?
Speaker 6 (01:04:54):
We don't know everything. With the grain of salt, something
weird happened for sure, and I don't I don't put
it past them that there was like hypnosis in mind
control type things for sure. Maybe interdimensional experimentation.
Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
I agree.
Speaker 6 (01:05:13):
I feel I believe Gray is drinking Draino.
Speaker 5 (01:05:16):
I don't know the Draino was a reptilian. Yeah, so
you never know with the reptilian.
Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
George W. Bush loves his Draino.
Speaker 5 (01:05:28):
But I think the stranger things made this story digestible.
Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
But the real story, the one you have to.
Speaker 5 (01:05:35):
Squint and see, is much messier and at this point
covered with lysol. It's part military history, part science fiction,
part mass trauma, part TikTok rabbit hole, and part something else.
It's the story of a place that was built to
watch the coast and maybe ended up watching us. Thank
(01:05:57):
you for listening to Broad's next, and thank you again
Tessa for being the brave one to go down the
mon talk tunnel first. Everyone, stay safe, stay strange, and
if you hear a voice whispering in your sleep to
meet it by the radar tower, maybe don't unless you
(01:06:18):
want to come back with your own stories.
Speaker 6 (01:06:22):
Thank you, Tessa, thanks so much for having me back.
Speaker 5 (01:06:25):
Danielle, of course, I still want to have you on
to talk about fire Walk with me, because I truly
think that's a horror movie. I've only watched it once
because it scared me so much. So if you'd be
down to do that before October is over, that would
be amazing.
Speaker 6 (01:06:41):
I'd love to do that. That sounds like and.
Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
It's like your name's sake, so yeah.
Speaker 6 (01:06:46):
Absolutely, that sounds great.
Speaker 5 (01:06:48):
All right, Okay, well I will talk to you very soon.
Thank y'all, talk to you soon, all right, goodbye, bye.
Thank you so much for another listening to another episode
abroad the next Door. My fever has subsided a little,
(01:07:12):
so this was a good episode for that. I have
so much to do before I leave town, going back
to Kansas City on Tuesday, so I will be recording
some Halloween episodes from there as well. I think I'm
gonna save some of my serial killers from there. The
(01:07:34):
Midwest has so many serial killers, so many What happened there?
What happened in the heartland of America? I guess a
lot happened. If you have any Missouri or Kansas stories,
specifically send them to me, because I really like doing
stuff in the place that I am. Probably do like
(01:07:54):
a Pacific Northwest one before.
Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
I depart, come out.
Speaker 5 (01:08:00):
But sorry, my mother is texting me. I'm out of it.
I'm out of it. I'm definitely burning out with these episodes.
I think I'm gonna take the first week of November off.
I know I've mentioned to that that's like always something
I toy with, and then when it comes down to it,
I'm like, no, no, push through and do one million episodes.
(01:08:22):
But I don't want the quality to deteriorate, Like I
don't want quantity over quality. So I hope you're enjoying
Spooky October. We are officially halfway through right now. We
still have fifteen more horrifying episodes to get through, and
I'm looking.
Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
Forward to doing a lot of them.
Speaker 5 (01:08:44):
Some of them, I'm honestly terrified to do some of
the serial killer stuff. I've just been having constant, constant nightmares.
Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
After I did that Active serial Killer one. I could
barely sleep this stuff. I was dreaming.
Speaker 5 (01:09:00):
I had a dreamed that it was nineteen ninety four
and Kurt Cobain was a serial killer, and I was like,
I can't believe this is happening Kurt Cobain of all people.
So it's really seeping into parts of my brain that
it never should have. And Tessa and I will definitely
do that fire Walk with Me episode. If you haven't
(01:09:21):
seen Firewalk with Me, first, watch Twin Peaks. But you
could watch fire Walk with Me first. Honestly, maybe that'd
be too much of a spoiler, but it's like the
Twin Peaks movie, but it's so much darker. I've only
watched it once because it upset me so much. It
disturbed me so much. That's why I constitute it completely
(01:09:42):
as horror. And make sure you're following Tessa online. She's
fire Underscore, Walk Underscore with Underscore Me, Underscore Underscore three
one five.
Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
I think I got that right. I'll link to her
in this show notes as well. Thank you to the Weird.
Speaker 5 (01:10:03):
History Gal for helping us with our research for this one.
She's linked in the show notes to her YouTube channel
She's got lots of spooky stuff on there, lots of
weird stuff.
Speaker 6 (01:10:15):
What else?
Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
What else?
Speaker 5 (01:10:16):
So keep sending me your scary stories and your podcast ideas,
even if it's for just regular stuff that isn't scary,
because come November, we're back back on our bullshit, back
on our regular stuff. I'm also going to be recording
when I'm in I keep wanting to say Kansas when
I'm in Missouri with Fetch Fetch Casemo? What is their
(01:10:41):
handle on Instagram? Follow them?
Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
Follow them to Stephanie and Patrick. I adore them.
Speaker 5 (01:10:51):
Yeah, fetch it's spelled like fetch, then the letters casemo,
but I learned that they don't say it casemo, say
at cac mo. So very fancy, Missouri. But make sure
you're following them. To follow all my favorite people, and
(01:11:13):
follow me at Danielloscrima and Broad's next door at.
Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
On all the things.
Speaker 5 (01:11:19):
You can email me at broad'snextdoor dot com or Broad's
next door at gmail dot com. I have to go
do my taxes because I have not done those, and
it's October fifteenth and like five pm, so definitely definitely
(01:11:42):
feels like the right thing to do after learning about
the little grays. And what the government uses our tax
dollars on, which is mind control and spraying aliens with lysol,
making reptilians drink draino, kidnapping young boys for psychic experiments.
Speaker 2 (01:11:59):
Do these horrors ever end? Do they? We'll see I
love you very much. I'll talk to you very soon. Bye.
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