Weekend Rewind: Exorcism and Demonic Possession in Pop Culture

Grab your holy water & learn some Latin, because today we"re gaining a broader understanding of exorcism and demonic possession in pop culture.

In this (release) episode we hear the true story behind the movie The Exorcist and how it shaped the way we see possession and exorcism on film.
We’ll also hear about the 67 exorcisms of Annalise Michel that led to her death and the prosecution of her parents and the priests who performed the exorcism.

Then we have Ed and Lorraine Warren and their involvement in both The Amityville Horror and The Devil Made Me Do It Case where Arne Cheyenne Johnson’s legal team tried to use demonic possession as a defense. 

Plus, the 2011 Ammons family haunting and demon house that was bought and destroyed by ghost hunter Zak Bagans.

And finally we’ll explore some scientific and medical reasons that could be behind some of the most well documented cases of demonic possession and exorcism.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
She was completely demonically possessed.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Ladies and gentlemen, the ghost hunters ed and Lorraine Warren.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
Warren's arguing with the demonic influence now inside Johnson that
drove him to you.

Speaker 4 (00:24):
He walked up the wall and the back was flut
How did everybody in the hospital react to your son
walking up the wall?

Speaker 5 (00:31):
They took off.

Speaker 6 (00:32):
Her, They ran Hello, neighbors, lovers, friends, and fallen angels.
I'm Danielliscriama, and you're listening to Broad's next door. Grab
your crucifix in your holy water, because today we're talking
demonic possessions and exorcism.

Speaker 7 (00:54):
Exorcisms appear in the oldest writings that we have, so
exorcism is literally as old as recording history.

Speaker 6 (01:02):
Exorcism is oldest time. I found it in every religion
except Sikhism. The reason I wanted to make an episode
about demonic possession and exorcism is because demonic possession is
something that I don't believe in. But if I don't
believe in it, how does it scare me so much?

(01:25):
Because it really really freaks me out. I've always had
a mixed relationship with the Catholic Church. My parents sent
me to Catholic school for a couple of years. I
remember my big split really happened when I was in
second grade and it was time for us to have
our first communion, and an order to have our first communion,

(01:46):
and where they give you a little wafer, which they
then tell you at eight years old is the body
of Christ. You have to go to confession first and
confess all of your sins. And this pissed me off
so much. I remember praying to God and being like, hey,
so I don't know if you know this, but kids
are really good and adults are doing like lots of

(02:11):
bad stuff. So I went to confession and I really
couldn't think of anything wrong that I had done.

Speaker 5 (02:18):
I was eight.

Speaker 6 (02:19):
I was like, man, what did I do? That's like
a sin? I had nothing. So I was just like, yeah, well, Father,
I have this brother and my little brother, and I'm
really mean to him. Sometimes I pinch him. Sometimes I
tell my mom he did something bad when he did it,
and he was like, okay, that's okay, Daniella. And he

(02:39):
told me like what prayers I was going to say
and everything, and then I was good. But the whole
thing is I don't have a little brother. I've never
had a little brother. That was just like the best
thing I could come up with. And I didn't think
it was wrong to lie. I did consider it, but
I was like, you know, what do these people?

Speaker 5 (02:56):
What do these people.

Speaker 6 (02:57):
Want from me? And I try and imagine that on
a larger scale, these big belief systems being put into
minds of children, and you don't really know what's real
or not. I remember asking my mom and being like, okay,
just you got to tell me the truth. Are Jesus,

(03:18):
the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, and God are they?

Speaker 5 (03:21):
Are they real? Or is this is this a story?

Speaker 6 (03:24):
Because everything else kind of made sense, and then there
were these adults telling me these very, very grand things.
Luckily no one told me I was possessed by a demon,
because that's terrifying. I remember the first time I saw
the movie The Exorcist. It was Halloween weekend of nineteen

(03:46):
ninety nine and my friend Stacy was sleeping over. We
got to write a movie from Blockbuster, and we picked
The Exorcist, with neither of us had ever seen. It
was much scarier than I had anticipated, and after we've
fell asleep, I woke up and projectile vomited all of
the chips and French onion dip and chocolate candies we

(04:09):
had consumed that night and threw up all over my
friend Stacy. I am shocked that she remained friends with
me and is still friends with me to this day.
But it's something I think about often, and I was
not the only person to have such a visceral reaction
to the movie The Exorcist. Can't even sky it's so horrible.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
I just care, my dad, how are.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
You gonna go back? In Samore movie?

Speaker 8 (04:37):
Probably this case was made into one of the greatest
horror movies of all time. And then you find out
that there's a story behind the story and that it's real.

Speaker 6 (04:47):
In twenty twenty, a retired NASA engineer named Ronald Hunkler
passed away, and after his death, a secret he had
been hiding his whole life came out. Before Ronald was
he hoping with the Apollo missions and getting a man
on the moon. He was given a Wiju board by
his hand, and that set off a chain of events

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in nineteen forty nine that would kind of change how
we view exorcisms forever. It's one of the first times
you can see these things reported in the paper where
it's made to sound factual and true. Where this is
William Peter Blattie being interviewed. He's the nineteen seventy one

(05:32):
author of The Exorcist, and this is where he got
the story from.

Speaker 5 (05:36):
Ronald.

Speaker 7 (05:37):
Now, I found out through your biography that you had
actually researched an exorcistem that.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
Happened with the boy back in nineteen fifty something?

Speaker 9 (05:45):
Was it in nineteen forty nine?

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Okay, when I first heard of it? And then how
did that inspire you to write?

Speaker 9 (05:50):
Well, it's imagine hearing about for the first time in
your life, I've never heard of possession, Hearing the details,
so called details of educase of demonic possession going on.

Speaker 6 (06:02):
In your neighborhood while you're attending.

Speaker 5 (06:04):
Classes at Georgetown University.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
I mean, it was absolutely struggling.

Speaker 9 (06:08):
And I heard at the time that if one could
adduce enough evidence to demonstrate that this was most probably authentic,
what a tremendous piece of evidence for our hopes for
immortality of the soul.

Speaker 6 (06:24):
This is a very old Inside Edition clip originally reporting
that The Exorcist was a true story.

Speaker 5 (06:31):
Hello everyone, and welcome to Inside Edition.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
Bill O'Reilly is on assignment. I'm Rolanda Watson. Here's what's happening.

Speaker 10 (06:38):
Remember The Exorcist one of the most frightening movies of
all time. The fact that the story is real makes
it even more horrifying. A story from the nineteen forties
kept secret until now, for the first time ever on television,
a priest who witnessed the actual ritual tells us the story.

Speaker 11 (06:56):
Matt mahar reports life terrible.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
It was the movie that scared America's stiff. A young
girl living in Washington, DC is suddenly.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
Possessed by the devil.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
Doctors can't help, and only a Catholic priest can.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
Drive the demon away.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
But the fictional account was far from total fantasy. The
plot was developed from what witnesses say was a real
life account of what happened to a thirteen year old
boy who is still alive, where the bid was moving
up and.

Speaker 8 (07:29):
Down, chairs were turning over and all that sort of
thing for kiddopy in the classroom, desks would move around.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
This priest, father Walter Halleran, helped perform the exorcism in
nineteen forty nine. The real exorcism took months, and when
it was over. Officials of the Catholic Church ordered the
priest not to talk about it. But with the discovery
of this shocking diary that chronicles the frightening events and
the newly published book Possessed by Thomas Allen, Father Holleran

(07:55):
gave Inside Edition his first on camera interview.

Speaker 8 (07:58):
I was always, you know, absolutely convinced that this is real.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
The true story begins here in Mount Rayner, Maryland, a
suburb of Washington, DC. Witnesses say in nineteen forty nine,
the boy who has only been known as r or Robbie,
was taken over by Satan. The strange occurrences began in
Robbie's home. First there were eerie scratching sounds, then the
feel of wind when there was none. According to Reverend

(08:23):
John Nicola, an expert on demonology and a consultant to
the Exorcist film, Robbie then started manifesting symptoms of possession.

Speaker 12 (08:31):
His body was thrown up and down off a mattress,
and he was bounced around and then possession.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
Of course, the personality entirely changed.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
The medical doctors could find no answers the family, although
Lutheran turned to the Catholic Church and asked for an exorcism.
The church assigned Father e Albert Hughes to the case.
Just like in the movie, the priest had to visit
the home to see for himself if the child was
really possessed.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
His language was very, very vile.

Speaker 12 (08:59):
Specifically what and the thing sacred religious was brought up
in conversation.

Speaker 6 (09:03):
It was a very response, I know you can't see him,
so no, this is not Truman Capodi.

Speaker 5 (09:09):
This priest.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
Father Frank Bober worked with Father Hughes back in nineteen eighty.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
Right before the priest died. He told Bober about Robbie.
The point did reveal.

Speaker 6 (09:19):
I can tell you, for a fact of someone who's
gone to confession a lot, it's pretty easy to get
a rise out of a priest, like if you were,
for example, just to say your dad thought your mom
was a whoror like you have a fifty percent chance
of being right. That will be for Harold Mary's and

(09:40):
one our father. First, I want to get a better
understanding of what an exorcism even is. This is from
season three of The Unexplained.

Speaker 7 (09:51):
There's many different forms of exorcism all over the world
and in different religions, and most have various types of
objects that are used to drive away on one to speak,
holy relics, crosses, holy water, and even exorcism itself or
what the Catholic Church called sacramentos.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
I believe in science. I trained at in American medical school.
I use scientific the results of scientific studies every day
of my life. I believe in evolution. I believe in
the Big Bang. I believe in quantum theory. I just
have had a rare window, or a rare opportunity to
study these things a little more rigorously than most doctors

(10:31):
would have. With a possession, you have to have, at
least in the Catholic Church, what is called moral certainty,
and there are very strict criteria, and it really depends
on evidence. The essence of a possession is a person
going into a trand and a demonic sounding voice coming

(10:51):
out of them, attacking the people, attacking religion, usually using
very crude and violent language like leave her alone. She's
ours this type of superhuman strength, knowing secrets of people.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
That a human being could never know otherwise.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
She was a Satanist, self professed high priestess of a
Satanic culture.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
Oh the night before I first met her, a teenager.
She teenagers meeting with.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
My wife at about three am, and we had two cats,
and these two cats just went completely berserk in a
way that we had never seen before, and we will mystify.
And the next day the priest introduced me to Julia,
and the first words out of Julia's mouth were, well, Doc,
how did you like those cats last night?

Speaker 2 (11:52):
I'd never met the woman before.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
She would often tell me how people's parents had died.

Speaker 5 (11:58):
Fifty Bucks, says.

Speaker 6 (11:59):
The cat was the name of like the local sports team,
like the Bobcats.

Speaker 13 (12:04):
You Rebil, don't you agree?

Speaker 2 (12:06):
You speak Latin?

Speaker 12 (12:08):
A good.

Speaker 11 (12:10):
Wud noman mes.

Speaker 4 (12:12):
No bloomed and attan.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
How are you planning to stay in Regon?

Speaker 6 (12:18):
I guess you're a nice.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
Thinking in here.

Speaker 6 (12:20):
They said Roland spoke Latin. And that's the thing that
comes up again and again is demons speaking Latin. And
also what the priest keeps asking him in Latin is
to tell tell me your name. Because that's another thing
is if you ask a demon its name, for whatever reason,

(12:41):
it has to tell you. I don't know where this
This is not like a Bible thing unless they pulled
one thing and then we're like, yeah, John said hey,
And we've interpreted that even on Buffy the Vampire Slayer,
when they were addressing like ancient to like primordial demons
hundreds of thousands of years old, it's always Latin.

Speaker 5 (13:03):
And Latin is like, how old is it? Like three
thousand years old?

Speaker 6 (13:08):
No? When is seven hundred BC? Two thousand? What year
is it twenty seven hundred years old? Greek is much
is much older than that Aramaic, Hebrew, the thirty five
hundred year old Phoenician that one possessed girl was speaking.

Speaker 5 (13:28):
There's a lot of language choices.

Speaker 6 (13:30):
And the demons are just like, no, no, no, We're
going to go with Latin.

Speaker 5 (13:34):
I took Latin for years, four years.

Speaker 6 (13:37):
That's what I did for my language requirement at NYU.
And if I had to speak Latin instead of just
like reading it or conjugating a verb eight different ways,
I would not be able to It's I tried.

Speaker 5 (13:53):
It's a dead language for a reason. It's not.

Speaker 6 (13:55):
It's any other romance language is easier to is easier
to speak.

Speaker 5 (14:00):
Pretty much.

Speaker 6 (14:01):
We'll talk more about the languages part at the end
of the episode, because that's that was one of my
most things.

Speaker 5 (14:07):
I was most fascinated with going.

Speaker 6 (14:09):
In loss theology they call it, and then there's gloss.

Speaker 5 (14:15):
I have to look it up.

Speaker 6 (14:17):
Something very similar. That's the speaking in tongues, but they're
they're not considered to be the same, but they're in
the same family. A lot of times where you'll see
and that's someone speaking a language that they don't know,
speaking in tongues. It's what a lot of people would
say gibberish, what other people would say are ancient lost

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like the holiest words. Another big thing when you're possessed,
other than being able to speak languages, is you have
super strength and the ability to levitate.

Speaker 14 (14:50):
It's important to realize that exoricism is not magic. We
don't do magic. It's a prayer. Essentially, it's the church's
prayer to God and Jesus took cast out at the demon,
so we invoke that authority as is disciples to catch
out the demons, and then we use the church's prayer
called the right of exorcism. We use holy objects like
rosary beads, holy water, crucifixes, any holy object. Satan canst

(15:14):
ten persons manifesting a demonic presence. The first thing that
happens is got this incredible evil look.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
As a matter of fact, they look at me and
they'll say, you stupid frist.

Speaker 14 (15:26):
If you've ever really looked into the eyes of evil,
you won't forget it. And then different things happen which
are physically not explainable. One hundred and ten pound young
woman throwing three big guys around the room. So we've
had some of those sorts of things. A couple of
teams in the country have had people levitate. We haven't.

Speaker 6 (15:43):
I feel like people need to spend more time. Get
one hundred and one one hundred and ten pound teenage girl,
take away her phone, put three grown men in her way,
and just feel like you have to get through these
men or you can't have your phone. A boy just
texted you too, Do you want to do? Your crush

(16:04):
just texted you?

Speaker 5 (16:04):
Do you want to do? You want to see what
it is?

Speaker 6 (16:07):
Well, your phone's over here, please those those three grown
men stand no chance. There were no cell phones when
Honalise Michel underwent her exorcisms in the early nineteen seventies,
but she didn't need them to prove her superhuman strength.
She was possessed by what the church believed to be

(16:29):
six different demons, including Lucifer himself.

Speaker 5 (16:33):
And that's let's.

Speaker 6 (16:36):
Talk more about Anali's because this is a heartbreaking story.
Analise Mickel underwent sixty seven exorcisms, dying a few months
after the last one. Her parents and the priests were charged,
but they got basically six months of probation. This is
from a documentary called to be Attached, where this bishop

(16:58):
you're going to hear speak actually did an exorcism on
Analie's exorcism box. But I really like the way she
explains stuff, so I'm including.

Speaker 11 (17:07):
That this is a person who has been asked by
God to undergo possession in order to unite their sufferings
to the sufferings of Christ on the cross for the
sake of the salvation.

Speaker 5 (17:21):
Of the world.

Speaker 11 (17:22):
Annalise Michel was said to be one of these, but
also is rumored to have accepted the request to be
possessed by God himself, who suffered fighting the devil for
the sake of the world.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
She was also possessed.

Speaker 11 (17:39):
By a man named Father Fleischmidt. Now this is very
interesting because it's proof that Annalise was possessed by a demon,
that this knowledge couldn't be gained by her in any
other way than it hadn't been given to her supernaturally.
He was actually accused of beating a woman to death

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and had had affairs.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
With people in the local town.

Speaker 11 (18:03):
There is no way analyst could have heard about any
of this. All those sixtys in wall or German schoolgirl
fighting to see who would ultimately get to claim her
for himself.

Speaker 6 (18:31):
So this is the religious rundown of how the exorcism goes.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
They have to understand.

Speaker 11 (18:37):
Every blessing in the Catholic Church is an exorcism.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
That's what it is.

Speaker 11 (18:42):
It is to remove any kind of attachment, to remove
any kind of unclean spirit, and to imbue the object
with God's.

Speaker 5 (18:51):
Luck good luck times.

Speaker 7 (18:53):
So the church's view is that these are symbolic expressions
of the authority of the church, and so even though
they aren't as and symbolic, at the same time, they
have real power and can help a priest to display
the authority of the church and drive away demons.

Speaker 6 (19:08):
Honalise believed so deeply in all of this. When the
meds didn't work and all of these people who were
authority figures were telling her she was reacting to the
cross wrong, she took all of this to heart. She
took it so literally because to her.

Speaker 5 (19:28):
That was her truth.

Speaker 6 (19:31):
Analise Michel from the time she was sixteen years old,
she'd always been extremely Catholic, but when she became a teenager,
she started spending hours a day in prayer and there
it can be dangerous to pray or to meditate too much.
I use those terms interchangeably because if you do either

(19:53):
of them for long enough, it's the same thing. It
can be a super positive experience. Saint Teres could pray
and meditate so hard that she barely had a pulse.
You can also see this on the brain scans a monks,
where there's just the activity in the frontal lobe completely changes.

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But if you are experiencing mental illness or anguish or
too much depression, this can have the completely opposite effect
if you okay, Let's use a best selling memoir for
an example for a moment.

Speaker 5 (20:31):
If anyone has.

Speaker 6 (20:32):
Read Eat, Pray, Love, or even seen the film starring
Julia Roberts. For Eat, she goes to Italy and eats.
For Pray she goes to India and pray, and the
third part, for Love she goes to Bali. For balance,
but second part pray involves the author Elizabeth Gilbert, going
to an ashram in India, and in order to go

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and be in this ashram and pray and be in
meditation and silence, there are requirements to do a lot
of these things. You have to get approved by a psychologist.
You have to get to like two friends and family
members to write letters saying yes, this person is in
sound mind to do this, because going into prayer and

(21:19):
going into silence and being with yourself, you can really
mess yourself up mentally. My dad is a kung fu
and tai chi teacher and when I started doing Condelini
yoga when I was in my early twenties, I was
really excited to tell him about it, and he had
a reaction that that just shocked me. He was like,

(21:41):
you can't do that, You'll go crazy, and I was like,
what are what are you? What are you talking about?
And that's another thing that people believe. If you have
a Cundolini awakening too quickly during yoga, you go nuts.
It's it's too much. So that's an Eastern viewpoint of

(22:04):
this thing. But if you read a description of someone
having a Kundalini awakening, that's gone awry. It doesn't sound
that different from somebody having a on a lease style
possession of being overwhelmed with these emotions. And I'm not
saying that this is some spiritual thing that happens. I

(22:27):
think that this is something our minds do. It's a
very thin line with the mind body connection, and I
think it could eat It's like having a bad trip.
You could take some mushrooms have a great time. You
could take some mushrooms and think that the walls are
not only melting but trying to kill you. And once

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you get really deep into meditation or prayer, it's kind
of like hallucinating. Literally, there's a if you meditate for
a long time, you go into a trance like state.
So I'm thinking about doing these things, and then Annalisa
is doing these things, and she's hearing voices that are
like telling her horrible things. So she's praying harder and

(23:12):
going deeper into her meditation trances and just genuflecting where
you kneel stand over and over. If you go to
Catholic Mass, they have pews, these little wooden things you
pull out every time I go to Mass. I'm like,
I'm not gonna kneel on this thing. I'm not going
to do it, suffered enough, and then there's like some

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ninety year old woman doing it, and it's like, all right,
God damn it.

Speaker 11 (23:37):
One by one, all six of them leave until Lucifer
himself is gone with a loud vomit and troat from Annaluse,
and so she just slumps in her chair and they
realize it's over, and so father Rens begins the song
him tay Dim. They sing praises to Mary, and as

(23:59):
father runs leaving a whole room, he hears and there's
Annalise with that smile, and Father Wren says, who are you?
And everybody goes quiet, leaving off the song, and it
says I will not leave, and Father Wren says, identify yourself,

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and it says it is I, and at that point
they knew the exorcism had failed. When the exorcisms came
to their end, she wanted to die for the sins
of the world, and she did so at the age
of twenty four from starvation and dehydration.

Speaker 15 (24:40):
The rationalists in Germany were horrified that this medieval ceremony
had done this to her, and both her parents and
the two priests who did the exorcisms.

Speaker 6 (24:53):
Were brought to trial.

Speaker 8 (24:54):
They were given.

Speaker 11 (24:56):
Six months of prison time, which was suspended in of reprobation.
After the trial, Annalise Mickel's parents requested her body be exumed.
The reason they used was because she had been very
quickly in a cheap pine box and they wanted to
give her a better, more appropriate funeral. At the exhumation,

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the Catholic Church ensured that none of the priests were present.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
I think they were afraid of what they might find.

Speaker 11 (25:24):
However, when Annalise was exumed, her body had not rotted.
It remained as if she had just fallen asleep. This
is called by the church incorruptibility. It's a sign of sainthood,
and often saints are exhumed after their death to see
if their bodies have not rotted and if they exuded

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a smell of flowers or roses.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
Annalies passed that test.

Speaker 11 (25:52):
There are many people who believe that Annalise should be
saincted because what she went through.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
Was for the salvation of soul.

Speaker 11 (26:00):
Annalys Mackel was an amazing mandyrn, and I think that
she should be saved because what she went through she
went through because she loved God.

Speaker 6 (26:10):
But I think for Annalisa's mental state, her belief, Okay,
I just go deeper into prayer, I just become more religious.

Speaker 5 (26:20):
It would have served.

Speaker 6 (26:21):
Her to go for a walk or paint or experience.
I wish someone would have been like, hey, there are
a bunch of other ways to experience God.

Speaker 5 (26:31):
Do you want to hear rock music?

Speaker 6 (26:33):
Like? There could have been so many other other options
for her, And it makes me so sad that she
was so deeply devout and that's how her her life
ended broken, broken bones, dehydrated, malnourished, feeling that God had
completely turned his back on her, all of her family

(26:54):
members and these priests being like, oh shit, sorry, well
you're you're still busy. No one was like, cut this
shit out, Okay, it's over, it's done. Let's go shopping
into like a spa weekend. I know that's not like
the best mental health treatment, Like it'd be better to

(27:14):
be in a mental health facility, but much better than
being like, hey, a bunch of priests are gonna come over.
We all truly believe that you're also prosessed by another
German priest. Hope that feels good on a lease. I
mean it's it's I just they should have they should
have spent more time in jail. They should have used

(27:36):
it to set an example. Six months probation for the
priests and her parents. Way too many people signed off
on this too, like laws should have been changed within
the Catholic Church.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
But gets on the way tomorrow. The devil made me
do it.

Speaker 6 (27:55):
When I was researching this next case, I actually saw
it's being made into Netflix series that will be released
on October twenty seventh.

Speaker 5 (28:04):
It actually may just be a documentary.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
It was eleven. I think it was possessed by the devil.

Speaker 16 (28:09):
I met Ernie when I was working down in Bridgeway.
When Arnie and I rented a home my brother David.
He started getting physically attacked.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
So why am I here? And he said, well, you
just killed your fris.

Speaker 17 (28:24):
The nature of our defense has never been used in
the United States, is demonic possession.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
But the tale really begins at the end of this driveway,
where the Brookfield couple who's eleven year old son began
acting strangely.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
And where Arnie comes into play.

Speaker 12 (28:39):
Arnie witnessed what they assume was a demonic possession with David.

Speaker 16 (28:44):
David was suffering so bad and we're all right there
with him.

Speaker 6 (28:48):
His nephew is possessed during assess an exorcism done by
Dan Lorraine Warren, Ed Warren.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
SI's growing in definitely needed exorcism. We thought we were
going to have any start, and it didn't work out
that way.

Speaker 6 (29:01):
This is real audio of the exorcism of David that
the Warrens conducted. Jesus.

Speaker 16 (29:08):
Jesus tells you, Jesus problem, Yes.

Speaker 6 (29:14):
But you are not strong your week.

Speaker 9 (29:16):
You're a week.

Speaker 6 (29:18):
Love this boy.

Speaker 11 (29:22):
Something right now? You call me you're knowing about.

Speaker 12 (29:27):
What do you think if I'm.

Speaker 6 (29:27):
Doing the father the whole.

Speaker 4 (29:31):
Out of my son, out of my son?

Speaker 11 (29:34):
Fright fun your mother.

Speaker 6 (29:53):
So during this exorcism, Arnie sees David going through the es.

Speaker 16 (30:00):
I can't take it anymore because he was trying to
help my brother.

Speaker 6 (30:03):
Arnie says to the demon, leave him alone.

Speaker 5 (30:06):
He's just a kid.

Speaker 6 (30:07):
Arnie starts saying like, hey, take me, take me instead,
and Ed WARN's like, don't talk to it, when the
whole time they've been talking to it, they're like, tell
us your name, tell us what your name is.

Speaker 5 (30:19):
Because another rule of exorcism is.

Speaker 6 (30:21):
If you ask the demon what its name is, it
has to tell you, and the demon jumps into Arnie
and Arnie murders his landlord. When Arnie is put on trial,
the defense wants to use demonic possession as the reason
for the murder.

Speaker 16 (30:37):
February sixteenth, nineteen eighty one, my boss started to really
become inebriated.

Speaker 5 (30:44):
Your girl's gonna think I'm a drug.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Ernie said, let's get out to him.

Speaker 16 (30:48):
He started walking down the stairs and I heard a
guttural yell out of Arnie.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
And then I turned around, looked at my boss.

Speaker 16 (30:55):
He's on the ground, and I seen m blood all
on his shirt. It's the newspaper came and I told
them what happened. I said, it was possessed.

Speaker 6 (31:04):
Let's talk about Ed and Lorraine Warren. If you watch
horror films or have any interest in the paranormal, you're
probably familiar with them. They're in the Conjuring movies. They're
in a movie for this case, The Devil made Me
do it? Is it one of the Conjurings, the Conjuring Three.
There's so many all the Annabelle movies, there are a

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lot of similarities with Arnie and the Connecticut case and
another Warren case, which is the Amityville horror. They also,
of course got themselves involved in that. In this interview,
the Warrens keep talking to someone. They're talking to someone
named Tony. So if you need a visual to imagine someone,
just please imagine them talking to Tony Soprano.

Speaker 8 (31:48):
I don't want the church to New Jersey. And he
was impressed by our investigation. Tony and we had not
heard about the killings in Amityville and when he asked
us to go there, because six members of a family
were murdered, and then a little over a year later,
another family moved in and this family fled the house
after twenty eight days.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
Well, of course this interest interested.

Speaker 8 (32:10):
Both of us, so we went to the Amityville home.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
We met and we were supposed.

Speaker 8 (32:14):
To meet George Lutz, but George wasn't there, and he
made a phone call and gave us the keys and
walked in that house. It reeked of death, not just
because of the six people who were murdered, the fils, mother, father,
two sisters, and two brothers. And this all occurred on
November thirteenth, nineteen seventy four, at three point fifteen in

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the morning. Every member of the family was found shot
to death, all lying on their stomach stone.

Speaker 6 (32:39):
Him saying the three fifteen in the morning thing did
remind me of another thing I've heard about. The original
Amity horror film is supposed to be one of those
films that had a cursed set, and one of the
things that the crew said while they were working on
the film is that they would all be woken up
at three fifteen am.

Speaker 8 (32:57):
We walked into that house, and it's Mike custom Tony
to go down into the cellar, the lowest part of
the house. These are usually the darkest areas. This is
where evil thrives, this is where it survives. It hates
God's light, it hates the sunlight, it hates any kind
of light.

Speaker 6 (33:13):
Ed Warren should have spent some more time in Florida,
and I feel like this would have completely changed his views.
No basements, tons of light.

Speaker 8 (33:22):
So while the rain was walking up the stairs with
a camera crew, I went down into the cellar. It
was a huge place, As is my custom as a
religious demonologist, I took out a crucifix, I held it
up and I commanded in the name of Jesus Christ,
and the Blood of Christ. What was there to reveal itself?
It wasted no time. I never had such a quick reaction, Tony.
I felt as though I was underneath the waterfall. That's

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how terrific. The pressure was on my head and shoulders,
forcing me down to the floor. Then I felt what
I can only describe as hundreds of pinpoints of electricity
hitting my body, and as though somebody had taken a
hot towel and dropped over my face. I couldn't breathe.
I knew what was happening immediately. I felt that before,
but not to that extent. I immediately went into what
we call religious resistance, which means that I again commanded,

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in the name of Jesus Christ, the Blood of Christ,
what was there to leave and.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
Go back to where it came from. Immediately it lifted off.

Speaker 8 (34:13):
I went up the stairs to where Lorraine and the
camera crew were, and she'll tell you what she felt there.

Speaker 4 (34:18):
Well, now I had no way of knowing, Tony, since
I was walked. They asked me to go up on
to the next floor. I had just left walking all
around on the first floor, and it's in that one room,
that wet barroom. The room that you see on the
very front of the house that I stood and could
see all of these bodies all lined up visually clear visually,

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I could see that that's where the dafaeos were prior
to being taken out.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
That was that was horribly disturbing.

Speaker 4 (34:49):
And I remember I took that relic padre Pio, which
no camera person knew I had, and I cupped it
in my hands and I prayed, you know, to right
now that is the room where the image of him,
padre Pio, it was picked.

Speaker 5 (35:07):
Film showed up.

Speaker 4 (35:10):
At this point, I'm still on cameras, so I'm not looking.
I just think Ed is with me, that he is
somehow behind the cameras, and that he is there, and
I start to go up the stairs. Never did I
know that he went downstairs. I did not know that.
I started to go up to the first landing where

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the great big window is, and as I did, it
felt as if I was standing right under on rushing
water and it bothers you. It's a pressure that's on
your body to sech a.

Speaker 8 (35:44):
G the atmosphere actually solidifies and homes like this, it's
like trying to penetrate a wall of cement.

Speaker 4 (35:52):
Really, so I got up and I made it up
to that landing.

Speaker 6 (35:57):
And again, a lot of these things that they talk
about of experiencing evil are the same things what you
experience during prayer and meditation on the way to enlightenment
or nirvana or God or.

Speaker 5 (36:14):
Whatever your intention is. But that's one thing.

Speaker 6 (36:17):
A lot of people who are opening up their third
eye or feeling the Holy Spirit, they describe the same
feeling that you hear rushing water and the weight of
that coming over you. People who talk about out of
body experiences also describe the same thing. Not the whole

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ed warren, the atmosphere solidifies into cement part. But what
Lorrain was saying before she was cut off by him
and me, respectively.

Speaker 4 (36:50):
Tony Well, there were six Roman Catholic priests that worked
with us. Three of them were schooled and ordained in Rome.
They were knowledgeable men in the areas of demonology as
well as their work in theology. We were called to
this home where David Glotzell, a young eleven year old boy,
had come under diabolical possession. It all began to take

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place in a home that his sister and the sister's
fiancee were renting. They were going to be renting this
house and on the end of it was like an
in law apartment where Arnie Johnson's mother was going to
be living with the two sisters.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
It was in that.

Speaker 4 (37:31):
Home that David first exhibited signs of possession. It was
rather strange and rather bizarre what occurred. His occupants had
left behind a water bed, and kids are drawn to
things like that, eleven years old especially, and they're jumping
on the bed, jumping up and down on the bed,
and the other children went in the other room, and

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as David went to get up off the bed, he
described this man as a hearing. He could see everything
about the man, the plaid shirt that he was wearing,
the jeans that he had on, could see everything about him.
He could describe everything about him. Now David would find

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it very hard to articulate to that extent. David had
a very slight learning disability, and usually children with learning
disabilities find it very hard to articulate regarding seeing things
in that type of perspective that he was explaining it
in in so much clarity. Now he told his mother

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at this point that he wanted to go write home.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
The mother said no.

Speaker 4 (38:39):
We're working, we're finishing off what we're going to be doing.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
We'll be going home in a little while.

Speaker 4 (38:44):
Well, he powdered, walked out of the house. He was frightened,
and that night in their home in Brookfield, it appeared again.

Speaker 6 (38:52):
I do want to add, if this is how this
all really went down for the Warrens, they were horrible
at their jobs. Give me like five teenage girls who
have read a handful of books on witchcraft, and I
feel like they'd be able to take this out, to
take this out in the second one night, and I

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don't know what we're doing with all these priests. Are
they allowed to marry Jesus?

Speaker 5 (39:17):
No?

Speaker 4 (39:18):
Only when it appeared that night in the darkness of
the evening, which is the psychic hours also the night,
which start at nine o'clock and go till six o'clock
in the morning. He described this man disappearing. Everything was
exactly the same, except that he said the man looked burnt,

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and he had feet like a deer witch man, they
were cloven.

Speaker 8 (39:43):
And from that, the man that she's talking about as
a ghost, you know, there was.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
No man there. And we were to later.

Speaker 6 (39:49):
Find out that this was Ed Warren, Are you sure
there was no man with hooven feet a ghost?

Speaker 2 (39:57):
It was a demonic spirit to this child.

Speaker 4 (40:01):
That was really the introduction to his becoming a victim
of diabolical possession. Now, we worked for months on this case.
There were three exorcisms over David. They were very violent.
The phenomena that occurred in the home was very, very violent.
But the priests remained very steadfast in their dedication to

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the case.

Speaker 8 (40:24):
And there were seven Roman Catholic priests involved in that case,
three of them schooled to train in Rome itself at
the Vatican. We had psychiatrists, medical doctors, we had Catholic priests,
We had psychic researchers staying there day and night.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
We had relatives, we had the family, We.

Speaker 8 (40:41):
Had photographs, we had recording, we had police officers in
her We had all the evidence to prove in any
court of law that this young boy was diabolically possessed
and the young man who helped him later, Arnie Johnson,
who was eighteen years old, lived in the.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
House, came under demonic possession.

Speaker 8 (41:00):
That you could prove a case with in any court of.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
Law in the United States.

Speaker 8 (41:04):
We had and the judge would not allow us to
bring it in.

Speaker 6 (41:07):
I want to go back to the similarities with the
Debayos for a second. This is from a documentary called
The Real Amityville Horror, and of course with an Italian surname,
there are the inevitable whispers about connections a organized crime.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
So they took us all over there.

Speaker 17 (41:30):
I asked a friend and associate, doctor Daniel Schwartz, to
interview him. Dan gave a professional opinion that Ronnie was
acting in another state of mind that he didn't understand.

Speaker 5 (41:41):
So they go with an insanity plea.

Speaker 6 (41:43):
That's their whole thing again, is to do insanity demonic
possession style.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Ronnie had taken some drugs.

Speaker 17 (41:51):
He was watching television and there was a war picture
on and at the end of the picture, Ronnie was
in the room alone. He said he thought that he
heard members of his family in an other things conspiring
to kill him. The one thing that he said, and
sometimes he said it with a smirk, so I wasn't
sure if it was truthful, But he said that a

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female with black hands gave me the rifle and I
would ahead and shut everybody.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
His original testimony was at some point a hooded, black
handed demon handed him.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
The weapon and then he went upstairs and that he.

Speaker 5 (42:27):
Committed the murder.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
He said, the murder, not the murders.

Speaker 16 (42:30):
During the trial, one expert argued that the fail may
not back to it alone.

Speaker 6 (42:34):
I had contacted this is George who.

Speaker 8 (42:37):
Would represented himself as a parapsychologist, and to find out
he's a vampire ologist was supposed to be, which it
didn't with me.

Speaker 13 (42:46):
My husband did tell him that you don't charge you anything,
but we are a public service organization and if we
find something backing what you say is there, we will
tell the public.

Speaker 6 (42:56):
A public service organization of the vampire ologist.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
You're putting us on and this is a hoax. We'll
also tell them.

Speaker 5 (43:04):
That, oh they'll they'll let you know.

Speaker 6 (43:07):
If the vampire ologists think that you're performing a hoax,
they will expose you to the.

Speaker 13 (43:13):
Public, saying that he would be investigating, and he said,
I told you I didn't want any publicity, and you
know I'm going to have to now cancel postpone your
investigation for at least a couple of weeks because we.

Speaker 8 (43:24):
Didn't want to and told us that Newsday demanded that
we be there again.

Speaker 5 (43:29):
A bell went off with my husband.

Speaker 13 (43:30):
Why is William Weber, the defense attorney for the mass
murder of Ronald the Fayo, now representing this gentleman Lutz
who had moved into the house afterwards, And what's the
connection there.

Speaker 17 (43:40):
I was approached by Ol Kaufman, who at the time
was a freelance writer for the News, indicated that the
Lunchers would like to meet with me. Would like to
with that because coincidentally, I had been given an oral
commitment that we would get a large advance for a book.

Speaker 6 (44:00):
A movie.

Speaker 5 (44:00):
William Weber already had.

Speaker 11 (44:02):
He was he was reporting to say, hey, we can
get movies, books, film rights.

Speaker 6 (44:07):
He was already talking about percentages and cutting deals. One
thing that sticks out to me is that people that
are experiencing what they believe to be possession, it seems
really real to them, especially the younger a person is,
which makes sense to me. I keep thinking if when
you're a kid, if you started kind of personifying those

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bad emotions that you feel, what that would be, What
that would be like if they kind of got their
own personality. That's what we do see a lot with
DD disassociative identity disorder, which is to be called multiple
personality disorder.

Speaker 5 (44:47):
It's often after so much trauma.

Speaker 6 (44:50):
Occurs in childhood that to protect the brain and an
act of self preservation, those personalities kind of split. They
become more distinct. What for me would just be a mood,
maybe even a dissociative state that I go into would

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be much more elaborate, it would be a different personality.
They've done brain scans and blood sugar tests and I
tests on people with a DID and the different personalities
can have different results. It shows how powerful the brain
is to do that. So what if your religious perspective

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is really different and strong, how would that come into play?
Because I don't believe in so much of this stuff,
and it still scares me. I've never been scared like that.
I would get possessed, probably because I'm like too religiously deluded,
and I sincerely believe that I could just call upon

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the guard Angel Michael and the Virgin Mary and Hecate
and Lilith. I'd like I would bring in like a
bunch of people, to be fair. I think that's one
of the mistakes the priests make is that they just
like and they call on some of the same people too, though,
but they stay pretty pretty Catholic calling on saints, and
they rarely call on God. I noticed, which like, I

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don't know if they don't want to bother him, but.

Speaker 5 (46:25):
I feel like that should be like where you start.

Speaker 6 (46:28):
Instead of being like, hey Padre Pia, if you're around,
we're having an exorcism, be like, hey, God, listen to me. Now.
Like Midfit, our last and final case we're going to
be focusing on happened in twenty eleven in Gary, Indiana,
and this case is so well documented.

Speaker 5 (46:48):
This is known as the Demon House of Indiana.

Speaker 6 (46:52):
Zach Begans ended up buying the house and then having
it torn down.

Speaker 5 (46:57):
I watched his documentary House on it.

Speaker 6 (47:01):
But what's really fascinating is the police reports and what
happened in the hospital and how many people witnessed this.
There's also audio recording of unexplained voices. So let's get
into the twenty eleven Dammon's family, Demon House, haunting, and
ultimate exorcism. This article is from The Indie Star. It

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was originally published on January twenty fifth, twenty fourteen.

Speaker 5 (47:28):
By Marissa Kowatski.

Speaker 6 (47:30):
The Exorcisms of LaToya Ammons, a woman and three children
who claimed to be possessed by demons, a nine year
old boy walking backward up a wall in the presence
of a family. Case manager and hospital nurse. Gary police
Captain Charles Austen said it was the strangest story he
had ever heard.

Speaker 5 (47:47):
Austin, a thirty six.

Speaker 6 (47:49):
Year veteran of the Gary Police Department, said he initially
thought Indianapolis retsident LaToya Ammons and her family concocted an
elaborate tale as a way to make money, but after
several visits to their home in interviews with witnesses, Austin
simply said, I am a believer. Not everyone involved with
the family was inclined to believe, and many readers will
find Ammon's supernatural claims impossible to accept. Furthermore, the family's

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story is made only more bizarre because it involves a
DCS intervention, a string of psychological and valuations, a police
of instigation, and ultimately a series of exorcism. It's a tale,
they say, that started with flies. In November twenty eleven,
Ammon's family moved into a rental house on Carolina Street
and Gary, a quiet lane lined with small, one story homes.

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Big black flies suddenly swarmed their screened in porch in December,
despite the winter chills.

Speaker 5 (48:42):
This is not normal.

Speaker 6 (48:43):
Ammon's mother, Rosa Campbell, remembers thinking, we killed them and
killed them and killed them, but they kept coming back.
There were other strange happenings too. After midnight, Campbell and
Ammon's both said they occasionally heard the steady clump of
footsteps climbing the basement stairs and the creak of the
door open between the basement and the kitchen.

Speaker 5 (49:02):
No one was there.

Speaker 6 (49:03):
Even after they locked the door, the noise continued. Campbell
said she awoke one night and saw a shadowy figure
of a man pacing her living room. She leaped out
of bed to investigate and found large wet bootprints. Campbell
says she remembers telling her daughter, we need help. We
need to talk to someone who knows how to deal
with it. Campbell and Ammons said they didn't know exactly
what it was, but they believed it was something supernatural.

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They called lotical churches, but most refused to listen. Eventually,
after listening to Campbell and Ammon's talk about the house
and visiting it, officials at one church told them the
Carolina Street house has spirits in it. Men did the
family clean the home with bleach and ammonia, then use
oil to draw crosses on every door and window. Ammons
covered an end table with a white sheet and placed
a white candle and a statue of Mary, Joseph, and

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Jesus on it. She opened a bible to Psalm ninety one.
She said, she and another person donned white t shirts
and wound white scribes around their heads. Also on a
clairvoyance advice, they burned stage and sulfur throughout the house,
starting upstairs and working their way down. The smoke was
so thick they could hardly breathe. The family said demons
possessed Ammon's and her children, then ages seven, nine, and twelve.

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The kid's eyes bulged, evil smiles crossed their faces, and
their voices deepened every time it happened. Campbell said the
demons didn't affect her because she was born with protection
from evil. She said she and others like her have
a guardian who protects them. Ammon said she felt weak,
light headed, and warm when she was possessed. Her body shook,
and she said she felt out of control. You can

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tell it's something different, something supernatural. The youngest boy then
seven sat in a closet talking to a boy that
no one else could see. The other boy was describing
what it felt like to be killed. Campbell said the
seven year old once flew out of the bathroom as
if he'd been thrown, and a headboard once smacked into
Ammon's daughter, causing a wound.

Speaker 5 (50:46):
That needed stitches.

Speaker 6 (50:47):
The twelve year old would later tell mental health professionals
that she sometimes felt as if she were being choked.
Campbell said Ammon's sons cursed on a walko in demonic voices.

Speaker 5 (50:58):
Raging at him.

Speaker 6 (50:59):
Medical staff said the youngest boy was lifted throne to
the wall with nobody touching him. According to an official
DCS report, the boys aprop abuptly passed out and would
income too. Campbell added she cradled one boy in her arms,
Adams held another. Someone from the doctor's office called nine
one one. Everybody was They couldn't figure out exactly what
was happening. Police, an emergency personnel took the boys to

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Methodist Hospital campus, and Gary Ammon's hospital personnel laughed at
her desire to anoint the boys in olive oil.

Speaker 5 (51:28):
I couldn't talk to them, so I talked to god.

Speaker 6 (51:31):
Meanwhile, someone called DCS and asked the agency to investigate.
DCS family case manager Valerie Washington was asked to handle
the initial investigation. She gave the following account to police
in her intake office report. Hospital personnel examined Ammons and
her children and found them to be healthy and free
of marks or bruises.

Speaker 5 (51:49):
A hospital psychiatrist.

Speaker 6 (51:50):
Evaluated Amins and determined she was of sound mind. While
she spoke with the Ammans, the seven year old boys
started growling with his teeth showing.

Speaker 5 (51:58):
His eyes rolled back in his head.

Speaker 6 (52:00):
The boy locked his hands around his older brother's throat
and refused to let go. The seven year old stairs
to his brother's eyes and said it's time to die.
While the youngest boy spoke, the older brother started headbutting
Campbell in the stomach. Campbell grabbed her grandson's hands and
started praying. What happened next would rattle witnesses, and to
some that would offer not only evidence but proof of
paranormal activity. According to Washington's original DCS report and an

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account corroborated by Walker the nurse, the nine year old
had a weird grin and walked backward up a wall
to the ceiling. He then flipped over Campbell, landing on
his feet. He never let go over grandmother's hand. He
walked up the wall, flipped over her, and stood there.
Walker told the Star, there's no way he could have
done that. Later, police asked Washington whether the boy had
run up the wall as though performing an acrobatic trick. No,

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Washington told them. She said the boy glided backward on
the wall and ceiling. According to a police report, we
didn't even know what was going on. It was like
everybody's gotta go. According to Washington's report, they told a
doctor what happened, who did not believe them, asks the
boy to walk up the wall again. Walker said he
told the doctor he doubted the boy could repeat the feat.

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This kid was not himself when he did that. Walker said.
The boy said he didn't remember what happened and couldn't
do it. A police report quot A police report quoted
Washington saying she believed there could be an evil influence
affecting the family place.

Speaker 18 (53:21):
Where demons supposedly brought happened with that helpless family in horror,
straight out of the Exorcist. This man just bought the
notorious house in Gary Indiana for the bargain based in
price of thirty five thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
What compelled you to buy this house?

Speaker 1 (53:38):
I have a passion for investigating claims of paranormal.

Speaker 18 (53:42):
Dak Begins is the host of the Travel Channel's Ghost
to Ventures. We spoke inside the front porch, the precise
spot where a terrorized mom claims that of horseflies mysteriously
swarmed in the dead of winter.

Speaker 5 (53:55):
As they did in the Amityville horror.

Speaker 13 (53:58):
It was horrible.

Speaker 18 (53:59):
This is the woman who lived in the house of
hers with her three children before Zach Begans bought it.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
LaToya Admans fought.

Speaker 18 (54:05):
Back tears when she told us how they fled in
terror after her daughter was raised right off her bed.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
She says, the demon sounded like this.

Speaker 17 (54:14):
We've waited five months.

Speaker 5 (54:16):
It sounded like something dead, she says.

Speaker 18 (54:19):
She anointed the rooms with holy oil and read aloud
from the Bible, but the nightmare went on and on
and listened to a sound that cannot be explained by
police who looked into the mysterious goings on. While two
cops are talking in the basement, someone can be heard saying, hey,
embrace herself for what LaToya says happened to her son

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when she and her mom took him to the hospital.
It's right out of the movie Poltergeist.

Speaker 5 (54:44):
He walked up the wall and did the backwards flip.

Speaker 10 (54:47):
How did everybody in the hospital react to your son
walking up the wall?

Speaker 5 (54:51):
They took off and they ran. The doctor from the
sideboards said that that's not real. That's not human.

Speaker 6 (54:59):
No human can do.

Speaker 18 (55:00):
Speaking of deep mysterious voices, you in there, those are
the chilling words. Captain Charles Austin will never forget. The
thirty six year veteran of the Gary, Indiana Police Department
had just finished investigating strange occurrences in the house and
was in his patrol car talking on the phone when
he says, something bizarre happened all of a sudden.

Speaker 17 (55:21):
While I'm involved in this conversation, the AMFLM.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
Redio went to stack and turned up very loud, and
he said, you in there in a personal bullet Say
what the hell was that? And I said, I don't know.
Got the exorcism you performed? Yes?

Speaker 12 (55:36):
I got a call on April twentieth, twenty twelve, from
the Gary hospital. Several staff members saw this boy walking
up the wall backwards flipping over her.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
The grandmother's head was holding.

Speaker 12 (55:52):
Him and was possessed, And so I put the crucifix
on her to test that.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
She began for bossing, and so he took all.

Speaker 6 (56:00):
He doesn't say like how he figured out she was possessed,
other than putting on the crucifix on her and her
then convulsing even though she's been holding holy water and
reading from a Bible.

Speaker 12 (56:12):
Yeah, and then she stopped, you know, definitely there the
lights would flicker in the bathroom, and then I would
go over there to take a closer to look at
the moment I got to the bathroom, it would stop flickering.
I did bless the house, but you know, again, things
were happening afterwards. The rods were swinging back and forth.
There was oil coming down her blinds. There were footprints

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that appeared around her.

Speaker 6 (56:37):
Because we need to look for hell, like there's not
enough of it on earth.

Speaker 8 (56:42):
I'm Zach Begins, one of the world's leading researchers on
ghosts and demonology, and this film.

Speaker 5 (56:48):
Is Cursed View at your own Retorry.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
About a demon possession makes international news. Now look at
one of the.

Speaker 16 (56:54):
Most documented cases of demon possession and exorcism in recent history.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
The next day, over the phone, I buy the house
sight on the seat.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
In seven years of police investigation, I've never run into
anything like that.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
Before they.

Speaker 5 (57:11):
Did.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
There was an an identifiable voice.

Speaker 16 (57:14):
I only heard it on the recording over.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
I'm surprised.

Speaker 6 (57:24):
To me, that doesn't sound like Hey, that very much
sounds like a South Park Okay, But so I would
just feel like, this is mister Mackie and he is pissed.

Speaker 5 (57:35):
Now, let's talk.

Speaker 6 (57:36):
About some other explanations of what could we happen naing
that's maybe not demonic possession.

Speaker 5 (57:44):
This is from a ted X talk called.

Speaker 6 (57:47):
The Myth of Demonic Possession by Hassan Toheed, and I'm
going to start with him talking about on a lease
and then he kind of breaks down the different theories
and what's happening in the brain he can do.

Speaker 19 (57:59):
Different doctors, including psychiatrists, psychologists, and certain neurologists, and was
prescribed with some medications like gambiarol. However, the medications did
not respond to the way they are supposed to, and
her condition kept getting.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
Worse and worse.

Speaker 19 (58:14):
She began to show some bizarre behavior like eating insects
and hitting herself and hitting others. She became intolerant towards
religious objects and places. She began to believe that she
was possessed. She believed that she was possessed by six
different demons, including Lucifer. She changed her demeanor, her voice,
her personality, and she began to speak different languages. Upon

(58:38):
seeing this, her parents also believed that this indeed is
the case of demonic possession. Therefore, the local priests were
contacted and the request for exorcism was made. The priests
contacted the local church because in the Catholic religion, you
need the church's approval for exorcism. The church approved the
exorcism because the church believed that this indeed is the

(59:01):
case of demonic possession, because the girl did meet certain
criteria for it, and there began one of the most
famous This exorcism lasted for the next nine months, total
sixty seven rites of exorcism. Because the exorcism continued, the
parents believed that she does not need medical attention anymore.
Therefore they stop the medical treatment because of that. Gradually,

(59:24):
Annales kept getting worse and worse, and eventually she passed
away at the age of twenty three. The cause of
the death was dehydration and malnutrition. According to the DSM,
the ID is the disruption of identity characterized by two
or more distinct personalities that could be described or confused
in some cultures as demonic possession. As you can see

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on the slide, there are other features of this disease
described by the DSM. So what is the cause? What
happens in the brain of these patients? What are the
risk factors? Many neuroscientists today believe that the cause of
d id is were childhood trauma. There is another group
of scientists that believes that no, trauma is not the cause.
The cause is something else. They believe that the cause

(01:00:08):
is yatrogenic. That means it is physician induced. And I
do know that there is another group of scientists that
believe that the ID is not a disease at all.
But we are talking about the majority of the scientific community,
the DSM and the American Psychiatric Association. The ID is
associated with various psychiatric illnesses such as major depression, generalized
anxiety disorder PTSD, post traumatic stress disorder, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia,

(01:00:33):
and substance use disorder.

Speaker 6 (01:00:35):
And what about the whole speaking in tongues speaking Latin thing.
That's the thing I was most disappointed in my research on.
It doesn't seem like anybody really does that. It seems
like people are just speaking gibberish, whether that is a
lost demonic language or thirty five hundred year old Phoenician

(01:00:57):
or some people by a couple people said that people
spoke sanscrit, which if you've ever taken a yoga class
omst nom oh, there's a lot of sounds that could
be mistaken for sanscrit. I did find that if people
have brain injuries, it can be easier to recover languages

(01:01:19):
you've heard that you weren't fluent in before. Thank you
so much for listening to another episode of Broad's next Door.
Making this episode scared me more than making any other episode,
even though it slightly comforted me more that demonic possessions

(01:01:42):
aren't real. If someone starts speaking a language, they've probably
been exposed to it, or it's not a language at all.
All thirteen year old girls can levitate.

Speaker 5 (01:01:52):
I slept with my TV on every night.

Speaker 6 (01:01:55):
There's so many horrors happening in real life right now
that this was honestly a nice reprieve from reality. I'm
going to have some more scary episodes coming out, and
I'm still trying to kind of get.

Speaker 5 (01:02:10):
To a consistent schedule.

Speaker 6 (01:02:12):
There's so much to redo since I've gone solo.

Speaker 5 (01:02:15):
Please keep sending me messages.

Speaker 6 (01:02:18):
I appreciate all of you so much. If you're enjoying
the show, please subscribe and give stars and like and
review all the things that I always forget to ask
you to do. I remembered today, so if you could
remember too, you're much less likely to get possessed if
you do.

Speaker 5 (01:02:36):
Thank you, I love you. Goodbye.