Grab your backstage pass and put on a baby doll dress, because today, we’re getting a broader understanding of what happens when a woman in Hollywood opens her mouth before the media is ready to listen. When Courtney Love warned us about Harvey Weinstein in a 13 second red carpet clip at the Comedy Central roast of Pamela Anderson. It was one of her briefest but boldest moves, and like anyone who spoke out against the monster, it got her blacklist. Will hear harrowing stories from the scores of women that Weinstein violated, what if any consequences he faced, and why these atrocities are allowed to go on for so long.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Another big story we're following this noon.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Harvey Weinstein is in handcuffs. A disgrace Hollywood producer surrendered
to police.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
In New York City this morning to face.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Several sex abuse charges on As correspondent John Schumow explains,
this is the first criminal case to come from dozens
of allegations against Weinstein.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
Had fallen media mogul Harvey Weinstein carried books as he
walked into a New York City police priescinct to turn
himself in this morning. After being arrested, fingerprinted, and photographed,
Weinstein walked out a short time later wearing handcuffs. He
was whisked to the courthouse, where he was charged with
first and third degree of rape and two counts of
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forcible sex acts involving two separate women in twenty thirteen
and two thousand and four.
Speaker 5 (00:45):
This is kind of the first time he's facing this
same justice system as the rest of us.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
More than eighty women have accused Weinstein of sexual harassment, misconduct,
and even rape. Most cases remained out of the public
eye after he quietly made financial arrangements with the victims.
This defended his positions money and power to a warning
situation where he is able to violate and specually. Winstein's
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arrest follows months of investigation by the District Attorney's office
and a grand jury that interviewed hundreds of witnesses.
Speaker 6 (01:20):
Hello, neighbors, lovers, friends, and anyone who's ever had their
life ruined for telling the truth. I'm Danielli Scrima and
this is Broad's next Door. Grab your backstage pass and
put on your baby doll dress, because today we're getting
a broader understanding of what happens when a woman in
Hollywood opens her mouth before the media is ready to listen.
(01:45):
This episode is about Courtney Love exposing Harvey Weinstein twenty
years ago. Today, July ninth is Courtney's birthday, so I
thought this would be a nice way to quickly honor
her for speaking out when.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Many people wouldn't. That's going to come out.
Speaker 6 (02:02):
Hi, Hello, how is everyone? I hope you are doing well.
If you are Courtney Love, I hope you're enjoying your birthday.
I do have a full curt and Courtney series in
the works, so this isn't going to touch too much
on Courtney's life or anything outside of this one instance,
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but just be on the lookout for that because that
will also be out sometime this summer. But let's get
into something that happened twenty years ago at the Comedy
Central roast for Pamela Anderson, when Courtney Love was on
the red carpet.
Speaker 7 (02:38):
And worldwide have come forward to accused producer Harvey Weinstein
of sexual misconduct. Actress director Asia Arhanto and two Italian
models say they were sexually assaulted by Weinstein. British actress
Lisette Anthony told police last week that Weinstein attacked her
in her London home in the eighties. Courtney Love has
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also spoken out of a rock star of the rock
Star Rather in two thousand and five came out showing
the star warning young women in Hollywood about the movie Titan,
Harvey white Stein.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Bikes Attarty, and four seasons Step here any More?
Speaker 7 (03:12):
Love tweeted Saturday saying although I wasn't one of the
victims or one of his victims, I should say I
was eternally banned by CIA for speaking out against Harvey Weinstein.
The Producer's Guild will also meet later today to decide
whether or not to expel Weinstein's membership.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Here is the full clip.
Speaker 6 (03:29):
I know excent wrong. Do you any in mind for
a young girl moving to Hollywood?
Speaker 8 (03:35):
Okay, fine, Harvey White Sea bikes atarian your.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Four Seasons Deep.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
So let's talk a little about Courtney Love so much
more than just Kurt Cobain's widow, literally a human Molotov
cocktail of fashion, chaos and uncomfortable truths.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
She's been called a menace.
Speaker 6 (03:52):
A muse, and a mess, but today she gets the
only title that really matters. A woman who tried to
warn us. Picture the years two thousand and five, Laguna
Beach is on TV, Weinstein is still being honored at
award shows, and Courtney Love glammed out and probably three
eye rolls past tolerant is on the red carpet at
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the Pamela Anderson Comedy Central Roast Media Natasha Lajeiro asks
do you have any advice for young women in Hollywood?
Courtney pauses, you can see her way it. Then she says,
I'll get libeled if I say it. If Harvey Weinstein
invites you to a party at the Four Seasons, don't go.
That was it, one sentence, one brave, blistering truth, and Hollywood,
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well it did what Hollywood does best. It pretended it
didn't hear it. After the red carpet moment, Courtney didn't
get a thank you, she got a punishment. As she
said later in twenty seventeen, I was eternally banned by
CAA for speaking out against Harvey Weinstein. That's Creative Artists Agency,
one of the most powerful talent agencies in the world. Translation,
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she was dropped, was silenced, she was boxed out, and
her already controversial public image was sealed tighter than a
Mirror Max non disclosure agreement.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Because this was two.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
Thousand and five, this is still the era where if
you were a woman who spoke up, you weren't brave.
You were difficult, or crazy or dangerous. And Courtney, she
was labeled as all three, so they tried to erase her.
Fast forward to twenty seventeen, the Weinstein story breaks wide
open when ronan Pharaoh is publishing pullets er level investigations.
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Women everywhere, actresses, assistants, hotel workers are coming forward and
suddenly the forgotten clip of Courtney resurfaces.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
It goes viral. Millions watch it.
Speaker 6 (05:40):
I've posted it on my Instagram and I think it
has five million views and Suddenly it's not a cautionary
tale anymore.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
It's a prophecy.
Speaker 6 (05:50):
A woman who told the truth when it cost her everything,
who refused to play the game, or sit pretty or
pretend she didn't know. Courtney Love may not have been polite,
she may not have been on brand, but she was right.
How many people knew what Weinstein was doing. How many
people cough cough, Mary Meryl Streep called him god, how
many smiled pos for pictures, took the meetings, And how
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many people looked at Courtney Love and thought, ough, not her,
she's crazy, instead of listening to what she was trying
to say. It's easy to ignore the truth when it's
coming from someone you've already written off. But here's the thing.
The messenger doesn't have to be perfect. They just have
to be honest.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
And Courtney was.
Speaker 6 (06:29):
She warned women on public, in public, on camera, and
she was published punished for it. This is from El
Magazine in twenty seventeen. A full list of Harvey Weinstein's
accusers and their allegations. More than fifty women have now
come forward with allegations against Harvey Weinstein since The New
York Times. In the New Yorker each published their industry
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shattering investigations into which his alleged history of sexual misconduct.
The allegations against Weinstein include sexual assault, harassment, and unwanted advances,
and date back over the past three decades. In response
to the initial Times article, Weinstein issued a statement partially
acknowledging the accusations, saying, I appreciate the way I've behaved
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with colleagues in the past has caused a lot of pain,
and I insincerely apologize it for it. His attorney, Charles Harder,
said in a statement that the Time story is saturated
with false and defamatory statements about Harvey Weinstein, and threatened
to sue the paper. Lisa Bloom, another lawyer advising Weinstein,
said in his statement that he denies many of the
accusations as patently false. Blum and Harder have both subsequently
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resigned from representing Weinstein. In response to the New Yorker article,
Weinstein spokesperson Sally Hofmeister issued a statement in response, which reads,
in full, any allegations of non consensual sex are unequivocally
denied by mister Weinstein. Mister Weinstein has further confirmed that
there were never any acts of retaliation against any women
for refusing his advances. Mister Weinstein obviously can't speak to
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anonymous allegations, but with respect to any women who have
made allegations on the record, mister Weinstein believes that all
of these relationships were consensual. Mister Weinstein has begun counseling,
has listened to the community, and is pursuing a better path.
Mister Weinstein is hoping that if he makes enough progress,
he will be given a second chance. Here's a full
list of Weinstein accusers. Ashley Judd, who said how do
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I get out of the room fast as possible without
alienating Harvey Weinstein? She recalled thinking, I said no a
lot of ways, a lot of times, and he always
came back at me with some new ask. It was
all this bargaining, this coercive bargaining. Feeling panicky, trapped, Judd
said that in order to get out of the room,
she joked that she would have to win an oscar
for a Weinstein movie before she let him touch her.
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Zoe bra Brock shared her allegations via a Medium post,
stating that Weinstein harassed her during the can Film Festival
in nineteen ninety seven as a model. I was used
to predatory men and had become a deep at brushing
off unwonted advances and putting creepy perverts in their place,
admitting that, feeling sorry for him, I went out of
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my way to be entertaining and nice. Later in the night,
Brock said she had wittedly ended up alone with Harvey
Weinstein in his hotel room for what she thought was
a group gathering, where the energy shifted and I became
very uncomfortable. Weinstein emerged from the bathroom naked and kept
asking Brock if she wanted a massage, she said, and
she ultimately locked herself in the bathroom. I could see
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the guy felt truly remorseful, he was near tears, But
I also could tell that he had no idea how
messed up this apology was. How many girls were there?
Did that shit happen every day? Rose McGowan on this
one breaks my heart for her, because they really freakingly
destroyed her. According to the Times, McGowan reached a settlement
with Weinstein in nineteen ninety seven following an incident in
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a hotel room during this Sundance Film Festival. The one
hundred thousand dollars settlement.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Jesus Christ.
Speaker 6 (09:52):
That's nothing was not to be construed as an admission
by Weinstein, but intended to avoid litigation and buy peace,
per a legal document reviewed by the Times. While McGowan
declined to comment for the paper's articles, She's subsequently recused
Weinstein of rape in a series of tweets, stating overtly
what she had long suggested, h w raped me. Laura Madden,
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a former Weinstein employee, said that Weinstein asked her for
massages at hotels in to Dublin and London starting in
nineteen ninety one. It was so manipulative, she told The Times,
you constantly question yourself. Am I the one who is
the problem? Lisa Campbell Liza Campbell, artist and writer. Campbell
wrote an article in the Times of London stating that
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she met with Weinstein in nineteen ninety five in hes
hotel room for what she took to be a business meeting,
where he invited her to jump in the bath with him.
Come on, it'll be fun. We can drink champagne, you
can soap me up. What do you say, she recalled
Weinstein saying. Campbell said she felt fury and fear. And
told Weinstein, if you come back into this room with
no clothes on, I'm going to fucking lose my temper.
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After discovering the several exits were locked, she found an
locked door and left. Louise Godbold in a blog post,
Godbold alleged that in the early nineteen nineties, Weinstein trapped
her in an empty room and begged her for a massage,
putting his hands on her shoulders. No one needs that
kind of publicity, least of all the hundreds of women
Harvey must have propositioned over the decades, she wrote. Lauren
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Sivin journalist Sivin told Megan Kelly that Weinstein cornered her
at Manhattan's Chipriani restaurant, which was closed to the public
at the time. Chipriani attracts the most scumbag dudes, and
if you know what I'm talking about, you know exactly
what I'm talking about. I could not believe what I
was witnessing. Sevin said it was disgusting and kind of pathetic.
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More than disgusting than the act itself, which of course
was gross. The demeaning part of it all is that
just twenty minutes earlier he was having this great conversation
with me. I felt so great and flattered by it.
And then he said, steve there and be quiet. Just
a few minutes later, just negated any warm feelings I had,
and I realized, Oh, this is what it's all about.
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Azia Argento. Speaking to The New Yorker, Argenta alleged that
Weinstein invited her to what she took to be a
party at a hotel in the French Riviera, but when
she arrived wein only Weinstein was present. Argento said that
Weinstein changed into a bathrobe and forcibly performed oral sex
on her, and she told him to stop. He terrified me,
and he was so big, she said, it wouldn't stop.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
It was a nightmare.
Speaker 6 (12:30):
Argenta also said that she had consensual sex with Weinstein
several times over the next five years, and that she
felt obliged to submit to his sexual advances after the rape.
He won, she said, and this is not uncommon for
people to do that. So if you have the instinct
to judge why she would do that. A lot of
times women do that to try and regain some sense
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of control because you feel so broken down. And also
if you feel the need to say, why did they
go to his hotel room. What did they think was
gonna happen? This is such a common thing in the
entertainment industry. I haven't worked as much of these women.
I've produced like four films, but this is something I
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would do. If any director or producer, another producer asked
me to go, especially someone that powerful, I wouldn't have
a second thought, and I wouldn't think they were going
to rape me, because no one has. I've done that
with many, many people, and none of them have ever
done anything like that. Jessica Barth, the actors, told The
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New Yorker that during the twenty eleven Golden Globe Awards,
Weinstein invited her to a meeting to discuss her career.
When she arrived, she said he asked her over the
phone to come up to his room, where she found
out he had ordered champagne and sushi. Bart said that
Weinstein offered to cast her in a film and demanded
a naked massage, which she refused. Emma de con to
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Cone told The New Yorker that Weinstein invited to her
at lunch meeting in Paris, where he claimed that he
had a movie role in mind for her and asked
her to come to his hotel room to retrieve a
copy of the book upon which the movie was based.
When they arrived, she said, Weinstein disappeared into the bathroom
and emerged naked with an erection, at which point she fled.
I was very petrified, but I didn't want to show
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him that I was petrified, because I could feel that
the more I was freaking out, the more he was excited.
Don Dunning, a costume designer, told The Times that she
met Weinstein in two thousand and three at a nightclub
where she waited tables. She was an aspiring actress at
the time, and said that Weinstein promised her a screen
test for his then company, Mirror Max, and when she
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arrived at his hotel suite for a meeting, Weinstein was
waiting in a bathrobe with contracts laid out for his
next three film projects. She says he told her that
she could sign them, but only if she had a
threesome with him. When she laughed, assuming he was joking,
Weinstein said, you'll never make it in this business. This
is how this business works, Ambra. But Battalinia Gutierrez, the
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Italian model, claimed that Weinstein groped her in twenty fifteen
and reported the incident to the New York Police Department.
The next day, wearing a wire, she met with Weinstein
at the Tribeca Grand Hotel in Manhattan. The audio from
his meeting has been released by The New Yorker, and
it Weinstein seemingly admits to groping Gutierres and describes this
behavior he's used to Also In the taped confession, Weinstein
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repeatedly urges Gutierres to join him for five minutes and
warns her, don't ruin your friendship with me for five minutes,
mirror Sorvino. Sorvino told The New Yorker that Weinstein tried
to give her a massage and sort of chased her
around a hotel room at the Toronto Film Festival in
nineteen ninety five. A few weeks later, Sorvino says, Weinstein
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called her after midnight and showed up unexpectedly at New
York apartment. Harvey had managed to bypass my doorman, she said,
I hope the door terrified, she said. She told Weinstein
her new boyfriend was on the way, at which point
Weinstein left. Sorvino also told the magazine that she felt
her rejection of Weinstein had harmed her career. There may
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have been other factors, but I definitely felt iced out
and that my rejection of Harvey had something to do
with it.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Same thing with Rose McGowan. Lucia Stoller.
Speaker 6 (16:23):
Stoller told New Yorker that she was approached by Weinstein
in two thousand and four while she was an expiring actress.
He began calling her, she said, and his assistant invited
her to a casting which turned out to be a
solo meeting with Weinstein, who was simultaneously flattering me and
demeaning me and making me feel bad about myself.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
She stated.
Speaker 6 (16:42):
He forced her to perform oral sex on him, despite
her saying no repeatedly. Gwyneth Paltrow told The Times that
at twenty two, Weinstein summoned her to his hotel room
and suggested they head to the bedroom for massages, which
she refused. She said she confided in her then boyfriend
Brad Pitt, who confronted Weinstein about the incident. Soon after this,
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Paltrow said, Weinstein called her and screamed at her for
a long time, berating her for disclosing what had happened
in the hotel room. At the time, Paltrow had just
been cast in the Weinstein produced movie Emma, and she
thought he was going to fire her. Angelina Jolie. Jolie
told The Times that Weinstein made unwanted advances on her
in a hotel room in the late nineteen nineties, which
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she rejected. I had a bad experience with Harvey and
Weinstein in my youth, and as a result, chose never
to work with him again and to warn others when
they did, she said in an email. And this is
a thing that kind of happened even when I first
started working in stuff, and this was like two thousand
and eight, two thousand and nine. When I started working
in film, I heard stories about Harvey Weinstein the same
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way I heard stories about Diddy. But it just seemed
like this information that you had and you could do
nothing with. Back to the list. Rosanna Arquette. Arquette told
The New Yorker that Weinstein invited her to his hotel
room in nineteen ninety five, where he asked for a massage,
then grabbed her hand and pulled it first towards his
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neck and then toward his erect penis.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
My heart was really racing.
Speaker 6 (18:18):
I was in a fight or flight moment, she said,
adding that she told Weinstein before leaving, I will never
do that. I'll never be that girl. She said that
she felt her career suffered as a result of turning
down Weinstein's advances. Judy Godresh, French actress god Rash I'm
butchering this name, told The Times that she took a
breakfast meeting with Weinstein at the cann Film Festival in
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nineteen ninety six. Can really was his hunting ground. Ossio
Argento said that at Cann before and I just absolutely
agree that he used it as a hunting ground. At
his hotel room, she said, he asked for her for
a massage. The next thing I know, he's pressing against
me and pulling off my sweater.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
She told the paper.
Speaker 6 (19:02):
I tried to negotiate this situation over the years and
negotiate with myself and pretend it kind of never happened.
I relate to that so painfully, because that's something we
do to try and minimize trauma. Is you kind of
try and recontrol the narrative and you ask yourself, was.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
It really that bad? Am I making more of it?
In my head.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
You kind of make yourself feel insane over it as
some kind of coping mechanism.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Back to the list.
Speaker 6 (19:30):
Catherine Kendall, Swinger's actress. Kendall told The Times that in
nineteen ninety three, Weinstein invited her to a screening, which
turned out to be a solo trip.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
With him to a movie theater. After the movie, she said,
he invited her to his.
Speaker 6 (19:42):
Hotel room and emerged from the bathroom in a robe,
asking for a massage. Everybody does it, Kendall recalled Weinstein,
saying he literally chased me. He wouldn't let me pass
him to get to the door. I just thought to myself,
I can't believe you're doing this to me.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
I'm so offended. Just a meeting.
Speaker 6 (20:01):
Tony Ann Roberts. Roberts sold the Time So that she
met Weinstein as a college junior waiting tables, that Weinstein
urged her to audition for a movie he planned to direct.
She said that he asked her to meet him at
his hotel, and when she arrived, Weinstein was nude in
the bathtub and told her that she would give a
much better audition if she were comfortable getting naked in
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front of him since her role would involve a topless scene.
Robert said she apologized to Weinstein as she left for
being too prudish to acquiesque his respect, but later felt
she had been manipulated and doubted that she was ever
under consideration for a role. I was nobody. How had
I ever thought otherwise? You weren't nobody, honey, you weren't nobody.
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Luisi at guys in a news conference, Guy said that
when she was shopping at a screenplay at two thousand
and eight Sundance Film Festival, this infuriates me.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
This infuriates me so much.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
She met with Weinstein at a restaurant to discuss her pitch.
She alleges that he invited her to his office adjacent
to his hotel room because also, remember these aren't like
regular hotel rooms. They're giant suites with like a sitting
area and offin desks and stuff. So having meetings in
a hotel room is not weird. When I was in
La last time, I had people to my hotel room
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to have meetings, and I didn't try and rape any
of them. Guys went on to say, I do not
think that Harvey Weinstein understands or comprehends how much pain
and suffering this brings to me and scores of other
women's Romola gare British actress. Garey told The Guardian that
she met with Weinstein at a London hotel for an
audition where it actually already had the audition, but you
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had to be personally approved by him. She said that
when she arrived at Weinstein's room, he answered the door
in his bathroom.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
I was only eighteen.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
I felt violated by it, As it has stayed very
clear in my memory. The transaction was just that I
was there. The point was that he could get a
young woman to do that, that I didn't have a choice,
that it was humiliating for me, and that he had
the power. It was an.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Abuse of power, It absolutely was. Heather Graham.
Speaker 6 (22:06):
Graham told Variety that Weinstein summoned her to his office
in the early two thousands, claiming that he wanted to
put her in one of his films. Later in the conversation,
he mentioned he had a gent agreement with his wife
he could sleep with whomever he wanted when he was
out of town. I walked out of that meeting feeling uneasy.
There was no explicit mention that to star in one
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of those films, I had to sleep with him, but
the subtext was there, she said. Graham added that she
declined a subsequent meeting with Weinstein at his hotel because
she did not want to be alone with him. Kara Delavine.
Delavine shared an instant at graham post detailing her allegations
against Weinstein. Early in her acting career, Weinstein asked her
whether she had slept with any women and gave her
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unsolicited advice on the impact her sexuality might have in
her career. A year or two later, she said she
attended a meeting with Weinstein and a director about an
upcoming film, which ended up with her, Weinstein, and another
woman in a hotel room she asked. She alleged that
Weinstein asked the two women to kiss. I swiftly got
up and asked him if he knew that I could sing,
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and I began to sing, she wrote, explaining that she
thought by singing she could make this situation more professional,
like an audition.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
After singing, she.
Speaker 6 (23:18):
Stated that she excused herself on her way out, and
Weinstein tried to kiss her on the lips. Sarah and
Massey Massey told Variety that while she was interviewing for
a jobs Weinstein's nanny in two thousand and eight, he
opened the door in his underwear and conducted the interview
without getting dressed. Claire Forlannie, the British actress, posted a
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statement on Twitter saying that she had evaded advances from
Weinstein on several occasions. Nothing happened to me with Harvey,
but by that I mean I escaped five times.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
I was twenty five.
Speaker 6 (23:50):
I remember him telling me all the actresses who had
slept with him and what he had done for them.
Florence Darryl French actress Daryl told people that Weinstein pursued
her relentlessly after they'd met in nineteen ninety four, then
propositioned her at a Paris hotel in which his wife
was in.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
An adjoining room.
Speaker 6 (24:07):
I was in shock when you have someone so physically
disgusting in front of you, continuing and continuing as though
this was all perfectly normal. What happened to me may
not be illegal, but it was inappropriate, very inappropriate. Sophie Dix,
English actress told the Guardian that Weinstein tried to force
himself on her at a hotel room in the mid nineties.
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She stated that she locked herself in the bathroom. I
quickly closed the door again and locked it. Then when
I heard room storms come to the door, I just
ran Kate Beckensale. So these are some really big names
that this happened to, showing how easy this is for
this to happen to anyone, and how confident he was,
even after Brad Pitt screamed at him and the whole
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Gwyneth Paltrow thing happened, that he could just keep doing this.
Kate Beckensale stated that Weinstein called her true meeting at
the Savoy when she was seventeen and was surprised to
be called to his room. She said, Weinstein answered the
door in a bathroom and offered her alcohol. I was
incredibly naive and young, and it did not cry to
my mind that this older, unattractive man would expect me
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to have any sexual interest in him. A few years later,
she said, Weinstein asked her if he had tried anything
with me in that first meeting. I realized he couldn't
remember if he had assaulted me or not. Tara Subcough,
the fashion designer and actress, told Variety about it on
alledged encounter with Weinstein during the nineteen nineties. She said
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she could feel he had an erection, She got quiet
and got off his lap quickly. She added, Weinstein asked
her to come outside with him and do other things
I don't want to share, and claimed that she was
blacklisted as a result of rejecting Weinstein. Melissa Sage Miller,
the actress, told The Heffington Post that Weinstein made uninvited
advances toward her in two thousand while she was filming
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the movie Get Over It. On one occasion, she said
that wine Winstein tried to coax her into his hotel
room and asked for a massage. There were other actors
around for some of these things. Though she says she
wasn't entirely silent about the encounters. At the times, she
was encouraged not to formally speak out. I was never
told are you okay? Do you want to say anything?
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Do you want to report this? Minka Kelly Kelly shared
her story in an Instagram post, stating that after meeting
Weinstein at an industry party, he requested a general meeting
room in his hotel room. Uncomfortable with this, Kelly said
she asked to meet at the hotel restaurant instead, with
an assistant present. After five minutes, Kelly said, Weinstein asked
the assistant to leave. All I knew was not to
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offend this very powerful man and to get out of
this situation as quickly possible, she said. Trish Goff, the model,
told The New York Times about a lunch meeting with
Weinstein in two thousand and three, during which they were
seated in a private restaurant room. Goff said that Weinstein
reputedly asked about her love life and put his hands
on her legs. When we finally stood up to go,
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he started grabbing my breast, grabbing my face and trying
to kiss me. The horrible thing is, as a model,
it wasn't that unusual to be in a weird situation
where a photographer or someone feels they have a right
to your body. Angie Everheart Everheart stated on a KOs
morning radio show that Weinstein masturbated in front of her
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during the Venice Film Festival. Mia Kirshner, the Canadian actress,
wrote in an op ed for The Globe the Weinstein
harassed her in a hotel room. She did not detail
the ordeal beyond saying Weinstein attempted to treat me like
chattel that could be purchased with the promise of work
in exchange for being disposable at his office. Eva Green,
the actress, told Variety that she met Weinstein for a
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business meeting in Paris, where he behaved inappropriately and I
had to push him off. I got away without going further,
but the experience left me shocked and disgusted. Lizette Anthony,
British soap actress. Anthony told London Sunday Times that she
became friendly with Weinstein after meeting him in New York
in nineteen eighty two. A few years later, she told
a paper that she met Weinstein for a drink at
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his home in London. The next thing I knew he
was half undressed and he grabbed me. It was the
last thing I expected. He pushed me inside and rammed
me up against the coat rack. He was trying to
kiss me and shove inside me. She said that she
pushed Weinstein away, but he was too heavy and finally
I just gave up. Alice Evans in an essay for
the Telegraph, the actress alleges that when she first met
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Weinstein at the Canned Film Festival. He asked her to
go into a hotel bathroom with him, saying I want
to touch your tits, kiss you a little. When she refused,
she claimed that Weinstein said, let's hope it all works
out for your boyfriend, referring to a screen test Evan's boyfriend,
Eoan Gruffud, had just completed for a Weinstein project. He
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did not get the role, and Evan stated in her
essay that she suspected of her rejection of Weinstein had
hurt his chances. Sarah Smith, a former Mirramax employee in
London going by the alias Sarah Smith for legal reasons,
told The Daily Mail that Weinstein raped her twenty six
years ago. So this went on for like over three decades,
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for like forty years. He grabbed me and he was
so big and powerful. He just ripped my clothes away
and pushed me, threw me down. Then I kept shouting no,
stop and tried to push him off, but he forced
himself on me. Smith stated that she kept saying no throughout,
and once it was over, Weinstein told her to get out.
She didn't tell anyone about the attack at the time.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
She said.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
We live in a more enlightened times now, but back
then I just thought no one would believe me.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Paula watch Awayak.
Speaker 6 (29:36):
She told The Buffalo News that Weinstein harassed her after
she was working as an intern on nineteen eighty one's
The Burning. She said Weinstein exposed himself to her in
a hotel room and asked him for a massage before
making a lewd remark that's not in my job description.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
She replied.
Speaker 6 (29:52):
I told him that I was happy to be part
of the project, but I would not touch him. He
finally gave up. Lauren Hawley the Actors, shared her her
account of harassment by Weinstein on the Canadian talk show
The Social.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Holly said that.
Speaker 6 (30:05):
Incidents took place in the late nineteen nineties, when she
was in her thirties and already acquaintance with Weinstein. Holly
said that she went to a hotel for what she
took to be a routine meeting, where Weinstein exposed himself.
After small talk, he returned wearing a bathrobe, she said,
and spoke briefly about some scripts he felt he could
she could be a fit for, before asking her to
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follow him into the bathroom. At this point, my head
was exploding. He keeps the conversation going. He finishes, turns
on the shower, He gets in the shower, He's continually
talking to me. He's in the shower asking me for responses.
After she dried off. After he dried off, Holly said
the Weinstein approached her while naked, asked for a massage,
and then began to threaten her when she refused. Amber Anderson,
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the actors, claimed to be an Instagram that Weinstein cowers
to her into a private meeting when she was twenty
and propositioned with her with personal relationship. He told me
not to tell anyone I was alone with him, told
me if I did, might affect opportunities. He tried to
take my hand and put it on his lap, which
is when I managed to leave the room. Lena Heaty,
the Game of Thrones actress, said on Twitter that she
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first met Weinstein during the Venice Film Festival, during which
he asked her to take a walk with him and
made some suggestive comment and gesture. Weinstein later asked her
to meet him for breakfast in la She said, he
asked me a few questions about the state of my
love life. We walked to the lift and the energy shifted.
My whole body went into high alert. I said to Harvey,
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I'm not interested in anything other than work. Please don't
think I got in here with you for any other reason.
In response, she wrote, Weinstein was furious, and after failing
to open his hotel room door, Haty said.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
That he walked her back to the elevator.
Speaker 6 (31:45):
Ordering her not to tell anyone about the encounter as
she left. Heather Kerr, the actor, shared her story in
a news conference with Gloria Alread, alleging that Weinstein exposed
himself to her and forced himself on her during a
private meeting in nineteen eighty nine. Marissa Coughlin, actress and writer.
Coughlin told The Hollywood Reporter that Weinstein invited to her
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to a hotel in nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
To discuss a film role.
Speaker 6 (32:10):
Though there were assistants present when she arrived, they soon left,
at which point Weinstein told her he wanted her for
a lead role in a film he was developing. She
then alleges that he propositioned her, saying he wanted me
to be one of his special friends and go into
the bedroom. I told him that I had serious boyfriend
and reminded him that he was married and that we
should keep this professional. I was so blindsided that Weinstein
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wanted to barter sex for movie roles, and that was
just dozens and dozens of women of the probably hundreds
and hundreds of women that this happened to.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
And I think that.
Speaker 6 (32:45):
Corney loves warning would have been too late for a
lot of people. But if all these tiny warnings would
have come together, it could have made a difference. It
could have stopped him sooner. And the guy has really
faced no consequences. He was charged and sentenced to twenty
three years, but that was overturned by New York Court
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of Appeals in twenty twenty. Then in twenty twenty two
he had his sentence from California, so he did do
jail time because the one couldn't cancel out the other.
And then three weeks ago there was another sentencing and trialed.
I think it was maybe about a month ago now,
So I guess it's not no consequences, but it's no
consequences for way too long.
Speaker 5 (33:29):
Charges here Weinstein.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
We have breaking news from New York City where the
jury has reached a partial verdict in the sex crimes
retrial of former Hollywood producer Harvey Weinstein. CBS News National
course whind It. Nicki Batiz joined us from Manhattan with
more on just breaking News and Nikki, we have verdicts
now in two of the three charges against Weinstein. Break
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that down for us.
Speaker 6 (33:52):
What does this mean, Auntie?
Speaker 5 (33:53):
This is pretty unprecedented to see. We have three charges here.
Weinstein has found guilty on one charge of a criminal
sex act. He was found not guilty on another charge
of a criminal sex act two different victims. On the
third charge of raith, there's no verdict. The jury said
they haven't been able to come to a verdict on
that particular charge yet.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
The judge has.
Speaker 5 (34:14):
Released the jury for the day, told them to take
a break. They'll be back tomorrow morning to resume the
deliberations on that one charge they haven't reached a.
Speaker 9 (34:22):
Verdict on yet.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
It's pretty unbelievable down here.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
So I know that they have been released for the day,
but can you explain what happened with the jury during deliberations?
What are you hearing and what do you see from
this verdict? This partial verdict.
Speaker 5 (34:36):
So this is day five of deliberations and it sounds
like it's been pretty heated. Throughout there have been at
least three jurors who have asked to talk to the
judge on different occasions, saying there's been some arguments in
the jury room. People overheard talking about other jurors.
Speaker 6 (34:49):
Today, one jury walking with a walk or trying to
look off at the people.
Speaker 5 (34:53):
Took him in a room, and we were told in
court that that juror said another jury said to him,
I'll see you outside.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
You don't know me, actually threatening him.
Speaker 5 (35:01):
The defense then called for a mistrial, and Harvey Weinstein
himself spoke to the dungeon and said, look, this isn't fair.
This is my life on the line. This shouldn't be happening.
But the judge did proceed and essentially asked the jury
if they were had reached any verdict at all, which
is what led us to this partial verdict.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
So what is next for Weinstein and all of this?
What could ultimately happen.
Speaker 5 (35:21):
At the end of the line here, Well, no matter
what happens, Harvey Weinstein was convicted in a separate trial
in Los Angeles in twenty twenty two. He's serving a
sixteen year sentence in that case. So tomorrow he'll be
back in court here as the jury finishes deliberations on
that third charge. What happens with that is yet to
be determined. But I will note that even though the
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third outstanding charge is rape, it's in the third degree,
and under New York state law, those the degree degree
of a criminal sex act actually carries a harsh penalty,
a harsher penalty than the third degree rape charge. A
little confusing, but ultimately the outcome of this trial is
still to be determined in what his sentence lent Ultimately, but.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
It gets worse.
Speaker 10 (36:06):
More turmoil at the Harvey Weinstein Sexistaul Rade trial today
as the foreman refuses to go into the jury room
to finish deliberations, leading to a bombshell decision from the
judge that had Weinstein clapping. Amra Cogliano spoke with one
of the accusers.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Chaos at the Harvey Weinstein trial.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
This is your inside edition.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
The uses to go on deliberating the arguments among seven
women and five men were so ferocious that three jurors
actually asked to be and felt pressure to change his opinion.
He was even afraid to enter the jury room. Weinstein
applauded an open court as the judge was forced to
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declare a mistrial.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
The jury was deadlocked on the charge that.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Weinstein raped actress Jessica Man. Weinstein attorney Arthur I. Dallas,
spoke out after the trial ended in chaos.
Speaker 9 (36:58):
It's gross duror misconduct. Not only did you have a
guy being threatened to the point where he refused to
continue to deliberate, confused to be in the same room,
but we found out they were considering evidence, not admitted a.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Trial wunder spoke to reporters but did not want to
be identified.
Speaker 6 (37:17):
This is Kevin fever. You know, you're locked in a
room with like what was the sixteen or seventeen people
for weeks on end that I think most of us
just wanted to be old with that.
Speaker 9 (37:24):
We were leading towards a certain decision.
Speaker 6 (37:25):
We thought it was going to be guilty.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Yesterday, Weinstein was found guilty of sexual assault on former
production assistant Miriam Hayley nineteen years ago, but the seventy
three year old disgraced movie mogul was found not guilty
of sexually assaulting former Polish model Kaya Soecola.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
Some people just did not want to agree that we
were raped, But.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
She says she has no regrets about coming forward.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
I'm not on trial. Good for you, Han, good for you,
no losing for me.
Speaker 10 (37:54):
Weinstein claims all these sexual encounters were consensual, and you know.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
I bet that that piece of shit probably thinks that
some of them were.
Speaker 6 (38:05):
I think that he got so accustomed to being such
a monster that he thinks that some of them were,
even though they weren't, even though the power dynamic was
too skewed, even though he abused his power as much
as a human possibly can while being honored as this
mirror Max God the whole time. I mean, none of
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this really came out so publicly until twenty seventeen. That's
why it's like the Courtney Love clip resurfaced, because this
was something said about behind closed doors, that people warned
each other about in private, but where everyone was too
scared to come forward publicly. And you heard how some
big some of these names were. So I think that's
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why it's such a big deal that Courtney Love did
make that statement. And there were other people over the
years who alluded to things too, like Rose McGowan, whose
career was ruined by him. He really was a career ruiner.
He really acted like these women had to have SI
with him for work, and even though Courtney herself was
never put into this position, she had heard all these
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things just like everyone else has, but she's never been
one to keep her mouth shut. I'm going to end
this episode with some of the roast of Pamela Anderson
from that night where Courtney made this statement, because this
has all just been so upsetting and so dark. So
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I know it's bad to go from super serious to
any kind of humor, but this just literally makes me
physically sick. I literally want to rip my hair out
and vomit and just punch a hole through drywall like
the guys I dated in my twenties, because it's just
so unfair. It's so unfair, and I hate when people say,
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why did they go up to his hotel room? Why
did he think that he had this right over other
people's bodies and lives and careers. If you don't want
anything funny, turn it off now, because this is just
going to be lighter lending it on a lighter note
for a second, not that there's anything to make light
of here, but at this roast, Pamela and Courtney kind
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of riff and make fun of each other and are
there for each other in the kind of way that
women should be. That we should all be there for
anyone who's been in these situations before, we should all
speak up. You should have been roasted, literally like at flame,
like some medieval torture.
Speaker 8 (40:26):
And we are really, really close. And Pam and I
have our differences. She falls in love with musicians. I
fall in love with good musicians. No matter how much
we disagree, I can't stay mad at her. The other
day she sat on my sunglasses.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
She broke them, but it was my fault.
Speaker 8 (40:45):
I was wearing them at the time. Okay, I mean,
I don't know that this is true, but you know
it's been said on television and said in Rolling Stone.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
It's about both of us, you know.
Speaker 8 (40:52):
Apparently me and Pam both have both interpretations being the
best in the entire world.
Speaker 9 (41:00):
Because we give it off.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
The only Pam's the girl that you.
Speaker 8 (41:05):
Wanted to tell your friends about, and I'm the girl
that you want if you refuse to tell any of
your friends about. And like to see the doctor.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
Iams my real friend.
Speaker 8 (41:14):
This isn't like a joke, Ross, Like I'm here giving
my rock cred, all right?
Speaker 3 (41:20):
She and I have been friends for years my life.
Speaker 6 (41:23):
The Happy birthday to Courtney Love. I thank her for
speaking out twenty years ago, even though it did cost
her a lot, when she's already been labeled as so
much already. I personally love her, and all my love
goes out to these women who were victimized and brutalized
and survived the things that Weinstein did. I know that
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how destructive having things like that can be to you.
It just feels like completely losing your sense of personhood,
your sense of self. As some of them said, you
try and rationalize.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
It over the years. Was it really that bad? Is
that really what happened?
Speaker 6 (42:00):
And just like the idea of being an actress, or
being eighteen, or being a waitress or a nanny or
an employer, or being excited about your script or role
and having that all ripped away by this disgusting, disgusting
man and having juries right now, who are still hung
juries and mistrials instead of just everyone seeing him for
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the rapist that he is. He's seventy three years old.
He'll probably die in prison. I hope that he does.
I hope that it's hell for him. I really do,
And I hate wishing suffering on people, but he deserves
nothing good. He had things too good for too long,
and the entertainment industry can be so abusive as is.
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To just think that a lot of people trusted him
and put their trust in.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Him and this is what he did.
Speaker 6 (42:51):
It's just it's horrifying and justice wasn't enough. Thank God
for Ronan Pharaoh doing that piece in twenty seventeen, because
I think that if journalists wouldn't have come forward, not
come forward, but like researched behind the scenes, I mean,
and try to get people to talk against Weinstein.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
It's just it's just like so hard for some of these.
Speaker 6 (43:15):
Guys to get people to come forward because you're threatened,
your career is ruined, your family is threatened. It's just
the insanity kind of never ends, and it's just so horrific.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
So I will do a.
Speaker 6 (43:29):
Longer episode on Courtney Love. I will probably never do
a Weinstein episode again because it's just so upsetting and
horrifying to me. And I think that we did cover
a lot of his victims today, and I don't know
whether to call them victims or survivors, because it's like
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they did survive it, but you don't fully survive that.
You lose a part of yourself. It takes a long
time to get that back. Anyone who has been sexually
assaulted or raped or abused like that, you know what
it does to you.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
It just it is so hard. It makes things so hard.
Speaker 6 (44:10):
I can't even talk about my personal experiences of things
that have happened to me because it's so hard to
go there. And I think that's why a lot of
women don't come forward. And another reason we don't come
forward is because these fucking dudes don't get in trouble.
They don't get in trouble when we do. And it
takes so many people to come together it before they
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can people can believe it. And I mean here you
had like a fifty over fifty women who had to
come forward and say stuff before anything was done. And
still I mean some of his convictions were overturned, like
the mistrial happened. It's just like the justice is definitely,
definitely not complete justice. And that is just so disappointing
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to me. It's so hard for me on a personal level.
It really just it breaks my heart. It breaks my
heart all over again. So maybe I should have done
a lighter episode today. But I think this is important
to talk about. I think it's important to have the
kind of friendship like Courtney and Pamela did. I think
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it's important to speak out about these things, no.
Speaker 3 (45:22):
Matter the cost. But that's easier said than done.
Speaker 6 (45:25):
Like I'm saying, I'm not gonna I can't talk about
my own stuff, not because I don't want to, but
because I physically feel like I can't. When it comes
to naming names and giving details. It's so hard to
go back to that space. It's so hard to be
in that mindset. It's so hard to have that level
of honesty. And maybe that's one of the reasons it
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was easier for Courtney because she's experienced those things too,
but not with Weinstein, so it gave her some of
that bravery, even saying I know I'll be liable if
I say it, even with being dropped by c AA
and being further blacklisted than she already was from handfuls
of conspiracy theorists. But it's a hard thing to do.
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Coming forward is really really hard. So if you've come
forward about your own experiences, I have nothing but respect
for you, and I'm sending you so much love because
it's such a freaking brave thing to do, it's such
an honorable thing to do, and it's such a scary
thing to do. I love you all very very much.
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Thank you for listening to this one. I'm going to
make sure there's a big trigger warning in the episode
description because I know this is really hard to hear about.
It's been really hard for me to even talk to
talk about. I should have talked about when Courtney Love
and Kathleen Hannah got in a fight instead. But it's
also important. It's important that we don't forget that these
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things happen and that people like Weinstein are held accountable,
because there's so many other Weinstein's out there. Maybe not
to this degree, but honestly, I think that there are,
and I think so many.
Speaker 3 (47:03):
People just do get away with this for so long.
Speaker 6 (47:06):
I mean, I'll do an episode on the Ditty verdict
because he got away with so much.
Speaker 3 (47:11):
That verdict shocked me.
Speaker 6 (47:13):
I really thought that he was going to go away
for life, and he got off on link more than
half the charges against him.
Speaker 3 (47:22):
So it's just so hard to understand.
Speaker 6 (47:25):
It's so that's why I think it's so hard to
come forward, because even when the case seems so tight.
Speaker 3 (47:30):
Like with Ditty, I thought they're really just going to
get him.
Speaker 6 (47:32):
People have known about him for so long, He's been
doing this for so long, and then still sometimes they
just get off.
Speaker 3 (47:38):
It's like Bill Cosby, like so.
Speaker 6 (47:41):
Many people came forward about that, and these people just
still even if they're originally sentenced, they can end up
getting off on technicalities, on having all this money and
power and being able to hire the best lawyers and
buy people off and threaten and threaten and threaten, and
it's just something something has, something has to change in
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the system, and I don't even know what that is
other than everything. Please send me your thoughts on this one.
I know that this was ninety percent rough and like
two jokes by Courtney Love, but I did want to
put them in there to show that there's still good
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moments that we have, and the good moments don't outweigh
the awfulness and the horror, but they don't mean nothing either.
We have to hold on to them or we'll all
just collectively go insane. And that's how I feel talking
about something like this. I mean names like Angelina, Joe
Lee and Gwyneth Paltrow and all the people that I
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didn't even get to because there's just so many to cover.
Speaker 3 (48:52):
It's just I just this is where I just run
out of words for it. So I'm gonna end this year.
Speaker 6 (49:01):
Thank you so much for listening to another episode of
Broad's next Door.
Speaker 3 (49:06):
This episode was written, edited, and recorded by me. When
I say we, I mean you and I. So if
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Speaker 6 (49:19):
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I am not, by any means a professional editor. I
will try and try and give you something lighter tomorrow
because this was so heavy for Courtney Love's birthday.
Speaker 3 (49:53):
But I feel like she would get it, and I
hope you get it too. I'll talk to you soon,
and I love you very much.
Speaker 8 (49:58):
By
Another big story we're following this noon.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Harvey Weinstein is in handcuffs. A disgrace Hollywood producer surrendered
to police.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
In New York City this morning to face.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Several sex abuse charges on As correspondent John Schumow explains,
this is the first criminal case to come from dozens
of allegations against Weinstein.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
Had fallen media mogul Harvey Weinstein carried books as he
walked into a New York City police priescinct to turn
himself in this morning. After being arrested, fingerprinted, and photographed,
Weinstein walked out a short time later wearing handcuffs. He
was whisked to the courthouse, where he was charged with
first and third degree of rape and two counts of
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forcible sex acts involving two separate women in twenty thirteen
and two thousand and four.
Speaker 5 (00:45):
This is kind of the first time he's facing this
same justice system as the rest of us.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
More than eighty women have accused Weinstein of sexual harassment, misconduct,
and even rape. Most cases remained out of the public
eye after he quietly made financial arrangements with the victims.
This defended his positions money and power to a warning
situation where he is able to violate and specually. Winstein's
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arrest follows months of investigation by the District Attorney's office
and a grand jury that interviewed hundreds of witnesses.
Speaker 6 (01:20):
Hello, neighbors, lovers, friends, and anyone who's ever had their
life ruined for telling the truth. I'm Danielli Scrima and
this is Broad's next Door. Grab your backstage pass and
put on your baby doll dress, because today we're getting
a broader understanding of what happens when a woman in
Hollywood opens her mouth before the media is ready to listen.
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This episode is about Courtney Love exposing Harvey Weinstein twenty
years ago. Today, July ninth is Courtney's birthday, so I
thought this would be a nice way to quickly honor
her for speaking out when.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Many people wouldn't. That's going to come out.
Speaker 6 (02:02):
Hi, Hello, how is everyone? I hope you are doing well.
If you are Courtney Love, I hope you're enjoying your birthday.
I do have a full curt and Courtney series in
the works, so this isn't going to touch too much
on Courtney's life or anything outside of this one instance,
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but just be on the lookout for that because that
will also be out sometime this summer. But let's get
into something that happened twenty years ago at the Comedy
Central roast for Pamela Anderson, when Courtney Love was on
the red carpet.
Speaker 7 (02:38):
And worldwide have come forward to accused producer Harvey Weinstein
of sexual misconduct. Actress director Asia Arhanto and two Italian
models say they were sexually assaulted by Weinstein. British actress
Lisette Anthony told police last week that Weinstein attacked her
in her London home in the eighties. Courtney Love has
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also spoken out of a rock star of the rock
Star Rather in two thousand and five came out showing
the star warning young women in Hollywood about the movie Titan,
Harvey white Stein.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Bikes Attarty, and four seasons Step here any More?
Speaker 7 (03:12):
Love tweeted Saturday saying although I wasn't one of the
victims or one of his victims, I should say I
was eternally banned by CIA for speaking out against Harvey Weinstein.
The Producer's Guild will also meet later today to decide
whether or not to expel Weinstein's membership.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Here is the full clip.
Speaker 6 (03:29):
I know excent wrong. Do you any in mind for
a young girl moving to Hollywood?
Speaker 8 (03:35):
Okay, fine, Harvey White Sea bikes atarian your.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Four Seasons Deep.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
So let's talk a little about Courtney Love so much
more than just Kurt Cobain's widow, literally a human Molotov
cocktail of fashion, chaos and uncomfortable truths.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
She's been called a menace.
Speaker 6 (03:52):
A muse, and a mess, but today she gets the
only title that really matters. A woman who tried to
warn us. Picture the years two thousand and five, Laguna
Beach is on TV, Weinstein is still being honored at
award shows, and Courtney Love glammed out and probably three
eye rolls past tolerant is on the red carpet at
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the Pamela Anderson Comedy Central Roast Media Natasha Lajeiro asks
do you have any advice for young women in Hollywood?
Courtney pauses, you can see her way it. Then she says,
I'll get libeled if I say it. If Harvey Weinstein
invites you to a party at the Four Seasons, don't go.
That was it, one sentence, one brave, blistering truth, and Hollywood,
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well it did what Hollywood does best. It pretended it
didn't hear it. After the red carpet moment, Courtney didn't
get a thank you, she got a punishment. As she
said later in twenty seventeen, I was eternally banned by
CAA for speaking out against Harvey Weinstein. That's Creative Artists Agency,
one of the most powerful talent agencies in the world. Translation,
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she was dropped, was silenced, she was boxed out, and
her already controversial public image was sealed tighter than a
Mirror Max non disclosure agreement.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Because this was two.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
Thousand and five, this is still the era where if
you were a woman who spoke up, you weren't brave.
You were difficult, or crazy or dangerous. And Courtney, she
was labeled as all three, so they tried to erase her.
Fast forward to twenty seventeen, the Weinstein story breaks wide
open when ronan Pharaoh is publishing pullets er level investigations.
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Women everywhere, actresses, assistants, hotel workers are coming forward and
suddenly the forgotten clip of Courtney resurfaces.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
It goes viral. Millions watch it.
Speaker 6 (05:40):
I've posted it on my Instagram and I think it
has five million views and Suddenly it's not a cautionary
tale anymore.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
It's a prophecy.
Speaker 6 (05:50):
A woman who told the truth when it cost her everything,
who refused to play the game, or sit pretty or
pretend she didn't know. Courtney Love may not have been polite,
she may not have been on brand, but she was right.
How many people knew what Weinstein was doing. How many
people cough cough, Mary Meryl Streep called him god, how
many smiled pos for pictures, took the meetings, And how
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many people looked at Courtney Love and thought, ough, not her,
she's crazy, instead of listening to what she was trying
to say. It's easy to ignore the truth when it's
coming from someone you've already written off. But here's the thing.
The messenger doesn't have to be perfect. They just have
to be honest.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
And Courtney was.
Speaker 6 (06:29):
She warned women on public, in public, on camera, and
she was published punished for it. This is from El
Magazine in twenty seventeen. A full list of Harvey Weinstein's
accusers and their allegations. More than fifty women have now
come forward with allegations against Harvey Weinstein since The New
York Times. In the New Yorker each published their industry
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shattering investigations into which his alleged history of sexual misconduct.
The allegations against Weinstein include sexual assault, harassment, and unwanted advances,
and date back over the past three decades. In response
to the initial Times article, Weinstein issued a statement partially
acknowledging the accusations, saying, I appreciate the way I've behaved
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with colleagues in the past has caused a lot of pain,
and I insincerely apologize it for it. His attorney, Charles Harder,
said in a statement that the Time story is saturated
with false and defamatory statements about Harvey Weinstein, and threatened
to sue the paper. Lisa Bloom, another lawyer advising Weinstein,
said in his statement that he denies many of the
accusations as patently false. Blum and Harder have both subsequently
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resigned from representing Weinstein. In response to the New Yorker article,
Weinstein spokesperson Sally Hofmeister issued a statement in response, which reads,
in full, any allegations of non consensual sex are unequivocally
denied by mister Weinstein. Mister Weinstein has further confirmed that
there were never any acts of retaliation against any women
for refusing his advances. Mister Weinstein obviously can't speak to
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anonymous allegations, but with respect to any women who have
made allegations on the record, mister Weinstein believes that all
of these relationships were consensual. Mister Weinstein has begun counseling,
has listened to the community, and is pursuing a better path.
Mister Weinstein is hoping that if he makes enough progress,
he will be given a second chance. Here's a full
list of Weinstein accusers. Ashley Judd, who said how do
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I get out of the room fast as possible without
alienating Harvey Weinstein? She recalled thinking, I said no a
lot of ways, a lot of times, and he always
came back at me with some new ask. It was
all this bargaining, this coercive bargaining. Feeling panicky, trapped, Judd
said that in order to get out of the room,
she joked that she would have to win an oscar
for a Weinstein movie before she let him touch her.
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Zoe bra Brock shared her allegations via a Medium post,
stating that Weinstein harassed her during the can Film Festival
in nineteen ninety seven as a model. I was used
to predatory men and had become a deep at brushing
off unwonted advances and putting creepy perverts in their place,
admitting that, feeling sorry for him, I went out of
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my way to be entertaining and nice. Later in the night,
Brock said she had wittedly ended up alone with Harvey
Weinstein in his hotel room for what she thought was
a group gathering, where the energy shifted and I became
very uncomfortable. Weinstein emerged from the bathroom naked and kept
asking Brock if she wanted a massage, she said, and
she ultimately locked herself in the bathroom. I could see
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the guy felt truly remorseful, he was near tears, But
I also could tell that he had no idea how
messed up this apology was. How many girls were there?
Did that shit happen every day? Rose McGowan on this
one breaks my heart for her, because they really freakingly
destroyed her. According to the Times, McGowan reached a settlement
with Weinstein in nineteen ninety seven following an incident in
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a hotel room during this Sundance Film Festival. The one
hundred thousand dollars settlement.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Jesus Christ.
Speaker 6 (09:52):
That's nothing was not to be construed as an admission
by Weinstein, but intended to avoid litigation and buy peace,
per a legal document reviewed by the Times. While McGowan
declined to comment for the paper's articles, She's subsequently recused
Weinstein of rape in a series of tweets, stating overtly
what she had long suggested, h w raped me. Laura Madden,
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a former Weinstein employee, said that Weinstein asked her for
massages at hotels in to Dublin and London starting in
nineteen ninety one. It was so manipulative, she told The Times,
you constantly question yourself. Am I the one who is
the problem? Lisa Campbell Liza Campbell, artist and writer. Campbell
wrote an article in the Times of London stating that
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she met with Weinstein in nineteen ninety five in hes
hotel room for what she took to be a business meeting,
where he invited her to jump in the bath with him.
Come on, it'll be fun. We can drink champagne, you
can soap me up. What do you say, she recalled
Weinstein saying. Campbell said she felt fury and fear. And
told Weinstein, if you come back into this room with
no clothes on, I'm going to fucking lose my temper.
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After discovering the several exits were locked, she found an
locked door and left. Louise Godbold in a blog post,
Godbold alleged that in the early nineteen nineties, Weinstein trapped
her in an empty room and begged her for a massage,
putting his hands on her shoulders. No one needs that
kind of publicity, least of all the hundreds of women
Harvey must have propositioned over the decades, she wrote. Lauren
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Sivin journalist Sivin told Megan Kelly that Weinstein cornered her
at Manhattan's Chipriani restaurant, which was closed to the public
at the time. Chipriani attracts the most scumbag dudes, and
if you know what I'm talking about, you know exactly
what I'm talking about. I could not believe what I
was witnessing. Sevin said it was disgusting and kind of pathetic.
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More than disgusting than the act itself, which of course
was gross. The demeaning part of it all is that
just twenty minutes earlier he was having this great conversation
with me. I felt so great and flattered by it.
And then he said, steve there and be quiet. Just
a few minutes later, just negated any warm feelings I had,
and I realized, Oh, this is what it's all about.
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Azia Argento. Speaking to The New Yorker, Argenta alleged that
Weinstein invited her to what she took to be a
party at a hotel in the French Riviera, but when
she arrived wein only Weinstein was present. Argento said that
Weinstein changed into a bathrobe and forcibly performed oral sex
on her, and she told him to stop. He terrified me,
and he was so big, she said, it wouldn't stop.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
It was a nightmare.
Speaker 6 (12:30):
Argenta also said that she had consensual sex with Weinstein
several times over the next five years, and that she
felt obliged to submit to his sexual advances after the rape.
He won, she said, and this is not uncommon for
people to do that. So if you have the instinct
to judge why she would do that. A lot of
times women do that to try and regain some sense
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of control because you feel so broken down. And also
if you feel the need to say, why did they
go to his hotel room. What did they think was
gonna happen? This is such a common thing in the
entertainment industry. I haven't worked as much of these women.
I've produced like four films, but this is something I
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would do. If any director or producer, another producer asked
me to go, especially someone that powerful, I wouldn't have
a second thought, and I wouldn't think they were going
to rape me, because no one has. I've done that
with many, many people, and none of them have ever
done anything like that. Jessica Barth, the actors, told The
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New Yorker that during the twenty eleven Golden Globe Awards,
Weinstein invited her to a meeting to discuss her career.
When she arrived, she said he asked her over the
phone to come up to his room, where she found
out he had ordered champagne and sushi. Bart said that
Weinstein offered to cast her in a film and demanded
a naked massage, which she refused. Emma de con to
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Cone told The New Yorker that Weinstein invited to her
at lunch meeting in Paris, where he claimed that he
had a movie role in mind for her and asked
her to come to his hotel room to retrieve a
copy of the book upon which the movie was based.
When they arrived, she said, Weinstein disappeared into the bathroom
and emerged naked with an erection, at which point she fled.
I was very petrified, but I didn't want to show
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him that I was petrified, because I could feel that
the more I was freaking out, the more he was excited.
Don Dunning, a costume designer, told The Times that she
met Weinstein in two thousand and three at a nightclub
where she waited tables. She was an aspiring actress at
the time, and said that Weinstein promised her a screen
test for his then company, Mirror Max, and when she
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arrived at his hotel suite for a meeting, Weinstein was
waiting in a bathrobe with contracts laid out for his
next three film projects. She says he told her that
she could sign them, but only if she had a
threesome with him. When she laughed, assuming he was joking,
Weinstein said, you'll never make it in this business. This
is how this business works, Ambra. But Battalinia Gutierrez, the
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Italian model, claimed that Weinstein groped her in twenty fifteen
and reported the incident to the New York Police Department.
The next day, wearing a wire, she met with Weinstein
at the Tribeca Grand Hotel in Manhattan. The audio from
his meeting has been released by The New Yorker, and
it Weinstein seemingly admits to groping Gutierres and describes this
behavior he's used to Also In the taped confession, Weinstein
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repeatedly urges Gutierres to join him for five minutes and
warns her, don't ruin your friendship with me for five minutes,
mirror Sorvino. Sorvino told The New Yorker that Weinstein tried
to give her a massage and sort of chased her
around a hotel room at the Toronto Film Festival in
nineteen ninety five. A few weeks later, Sorvino says, Weinstein
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called her after midnight and showed up unexpectedly at New
York apartment. Harvey had managed to bypass my doorman, she said,
I hope the door terrified, she said. She told Weinstein
her new boyfriend was on the way, at which point
Weinstein left. Sorvino also told the magazine that she felt
her rejection of Weinstein had harmed her career. There may
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have been other factors, but I definitely felt iced out
and that my rejection of Harvey had something to do
with it.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Same thing with Rose McGowan. Lucia Stoller.
Speaker 6 (16:23):
Stoller told New Yorker that she was approached by Weinstein
in two thousand and four while she was an expiring actress.
He began calling her, she said, and his assistant invited
her to a casting which turned out to be a
solo meeting with Weinstein, who was simultaneously flattering me and
demeaning me and making me feel bad about myself.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
She stated.
Speaker 6 (16:42):
He forced her to perform oral sex on him, despite
her saying no repeatedly. Gwyneth Paltrow told The Times that
at twenty two, Weinstein summoned her to his hotel room
and suggested they head to the bedroom for massages, which
she refused. She said she confided in her then boyfriend
Brad Pitt, who confronted Weinstein about the incident. Soon after this,
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Paltrow said, Weinstein called her and screamed at her for
a long time, berating her for disclosing what had happened
in the hotel room. At the time, Paltrow had just
been cast in the Weinstein produced movie Emma, and she
thought he was going to fire her. Angelina Jolie. Jolie
told The Times that Weinstein made unwanted advances on her
in a hotel room in the late nineteen nineties, which
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she rejected. I had a bad experience with Harvey and
Weinstein in my youth, and as a result, chose never
to work with him again and to warn others when
they did, she said in an email. And this is
a thing that kind of happened even when I first
started working in stuff, and this was like two thousand
and eight, two thousand and nine. When I started working
in film, I heard stories about Harvey Weinstein the same
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way I heard stories about Diddy. But it just seemed
like this information that you had and you could do
nothing with. Back to the list. Rosanna Arquette. Arquette told
The New Yorker that Weinstein invited her to his hotel
room in nineteen ninety five, where he asked for a massage,
then grabbed her hand and pulled it first towards his
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neck and then toward his erect penis.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
My heart was really racing.
Speaker 6 (18:18):
I was in a fight or flight moment, she said,
adding that she told Weinstein before leaving, I will never
do that. I'll never be that girl. She said that
she felt her career suffered as a result of turning
down Weinstein's advances. Judy Godresh, French actress god Rash I'm
butchering this name, told The Times that she took a
breakfast meeting with Weinstein at the cann Film Festival in
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nineteen ninety six. Can really was his hunting ground. Ossio
Argento said that at Cann before and I just absolutely
agree that he used it as a hunting ground. At
his hotel room, she said, he asked for her for
a massage. The next thing I know, he's pressing against
me and pulling off my sweater.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
She told the paper.
Speaker 6 (19:02):
I tried to negotiate this situation over the years and
negotiate with myself and pretend it kind of never happened.
I relate to that so painfully, because that's something we
do to try and minimize trauma. Is you kind of
try and recontrol the narrative and you ask yourself, was.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
It really that bad? Am I making more of it?
In my head.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
You kind of make yourself feel insane over it as
some kind of coping mechanism.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Back to the list.
Speaker 6 (19:30):
Catherine Kendall, Swinger's actress. Kendall told The Times that in
nineteen ninety three, Weinstein invited her to a screening, which
turned out to be a solo trip.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
With him to a movie theater. After the movie, she said,
he invited her to his.
Speaker 6 (19:42):
Hotel room and emerged from the bathroom in a robe,
asking for a massage. Everybody does it, Kendall recalled Weinstein,
saying he literally chased me. He wouldn't let me pass
him to get to the door. I just thought to myself,
I can't believe you're doing this to me.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
I'm so offended. Just a meeting.
Speaker 6 (20:01):
Tony Ann Roberts. Roberts sold the Time So that she
met Weinstein as a college junior waiting tables, that Weinstein
urged her to audition for a movie he planned to direct.
She said that he asked her to meet him at
his hotel, and when she arrived, Weinstein was nude in
the bathtub and told her that she would give a
much better audition if she were comfortable getting naked in
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front of him since her role would involve a topless scene.
Robert said she apologized to Weinstein as she left for
being too prudish to acquiesque his respect, but later felt
she had been manipulated and doubted that she was ever
under consideration for a role. I was nobody. How had
I ever thought otherwise? You weren't nobody, honey, you weren't nobody.
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Luisi at guys in a news conference, Guy said that
when she was shopping at a screenplay at two thousand
and eight Sundance Film Festival, this infuriates me.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
This infuriates me so much.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
She met with Weinstein at a restaurant to discuss her pitch.
She alleges that he invited her to his office adjacent
to his hotel room because also, remember these aren't like
regular hotel rooms. They're giant suites with like a sitting
area and offin desks and stuff. So having meetings in
a hotel room is not weird. When I was in
La last time, I had people to my hotel room
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to have meetings, and I didn't try and rape any
of them. Guys went on to say, I do not
think that Harvey Weinstein understands or comprehends how much pain
and suffering this brings to me and scores of other
women's Romola gare British actress. Garey told The Guardian that
she met with Weinstein at a London hotel for an
audition where it actually already had the audition, but you
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had to be personally approved by him. She said that
when she arrived at Weinstein's room, he answered the door
in his bathroom.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
I was only eighteen.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
I felt violated by it, As it has stayed very
clear in my memory. The transaction was just that I
was there. The point was that he could get a
young woman to do that, that I didn't have a choice,
that it was humiliating for me, and that he had
the power. It was an.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Abuse of power, It absolutely was. Heather Graham.
Speaker 6 (22:06):
Graham told Variety that Weinstein summoned her to his office
in the early two thousands, claiming that he wanted to
put her in one of his films. Later in the conversation,
he mentioned he had a gent agreement with his wife
he could sleep with whomever he wanted when he was
out of town. I walked out of that meeting feeling uneasy.
There was no explicit mention that to star in one
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of those films, I had to sleep with him, but
the subtext was there, she said. Graham added that she
declined a subsequent meeting with Weinstein at his hotel because
she did not want to be alone with him. Kara Delavine.
Delavine shared an instant at graham post detailing her allegations
against Weinstein. Early in her acting career, Weinstein asked her
whether she had slept with any women and gave her
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unsolicited advice on the impact her sexuality might have in
her career. A year or two later, she said she
attended a meeting with Weinstein and a director about an
upcoming film, which ended up with her, Weinstein, and another
woman in a hotel room she asked. She alleged that
Weinstein asked the two women to kiss. I swiftly got
up and asked him if he knew that I could sing,
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and I began to sing, she wrote, explaining that she
thought by singing she could make this situation more professional,
like an audition.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
After singing, she.
Speaker 6 (23:18):
Stated that she excused herself on her way out, and
Weinstein tried to kiss her on the lips. Sarah and
Massey Massey told Variety that while she was interviewing for
a jobs Weinstein's nanny in two thousand and eight, he
opened the door in his underwear and conducted the interview
without getting dressed. Claire Forlannie, the British actress, posted a
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statement on Twitter saying that she had evaded advances from
Weinstein on several occasions. Nothing happened to me with Harvey,
but by that I mean I escaped five times.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
I was twenty five.
Speaker 6 (23:50):
I remember him telling me all the actresses who had
slept with him and what he had done for them.
Florence Darryl French actress Daryl told people that Weinstein pursued
her relentlessly after they'd met in nineteen ninety four, then
propositioned her at a Paris hotel in which his wife
was in.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
An adjoining room.
Speaker 6 (24:07):
I was in shock when you have someone so physically
disgusting in front of you, continuing and continuing as though
this was all perfectly normal. What happened to me may
not be illegal, but it was inappropriate, very inappropriate. Sophie Dix,
English actress told the Guardian that Weinstein tried to force
himself on her at a hotel room in the mid nineties.
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She stated that she locked herself in the bathroom. I
quickly closed the door again and locked it. Then when
I heard room storms come to the door, I just
ran Kate Beckensale. So these are some really big names
that this happened to, showing how easy this is for
this to happen to anyone, and how confident he was,
even after Brad Pitt screamed at him and the whole
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Gwyneth Paltrow thing happened, that he could just keep doing this.
Kate Beckensale stated that Weinstein called her true meeting at
the Savoy when she was seventeen and was surprised to
be called to his room. She said, Weinstein answered the
door in a bathroom and offered her alcohol. I was
incredibly naive and young, and it did not cry to
my mind that this older, unattractive man would expect me
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to have any sexual interest in him. A few years later,
she said, Weinstein asked her if he had tried anything
with me in that first meeting. I realized he couldn't
remember if he had assaulted me or not. Tara Subcough,
the fashion designer and actress, told Variety about it on
alledged encounter with Weinstein during the nineteen nineties. She said
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she could feel he had an erection, She got quiet
and got off his lap quickly. She added, Weinstein asked
her to come outside with him and do other things
I don't want to share, and claimed that she was
blacklisted as a result of rejecting Weinstein. Melissa Sage Miller,
the actress, told The Heffington Post that Weinstein made uninvited
advances toward her in two thousand while she was filming
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the movie Get Over It. On one occasion, she said
that wine Winstein tried to coax her into his hotel
room and asked for a massage. There were other actors
around for some of these things. Though she says she
wasn't entirely silent about the encounters. At the times, she
was encouraged not to formally speak out. I was never
told are you okay? Do you want to say anything?
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Do you want to report this? Minka Kelly Kelly shared
her story in an Instagram post, stating that after meeting
Weinstein at an industry party, he requested a general meeting
room in his hotel room. Uncomfortable with this, Kelly said
she asked to meet at the hotel restaurant instead, with
an assistant present. After five minutes, Kelly said, Weinstein asked
the assistant to leave. All I knew was not to
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offend this very powerful man and to get out of
this situation as quickly possible, she said. Trish Goff, the model,
told The New York Times about a lunch meeting with
Weinstein in two thousand and three, during which they were
seated in a private restaurant room. Goff said that Weinstein
reputedly asked about her love life and put his hands
on her legs. When we finally stood up to go,
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he started grabbing my breast, grabbing my face and trying
to kiss me. The horrible thing is, as a model,
it wasn't that unusual to be in a weird situation
where a photographer or someone feels they have a right
to your body. Angie Everheart Everheart stated on a KOs
morning radio show that Weinstein masturbated in front of her
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during the Venice Film Festival. Mia Kirshner, the Canadian actress,
wrote in an op ed for The Globe the Weinstein
harassed her in a hotel room. She did not detail
the ordeal beyond saying Weinstein attempted to treat me like
chattel that could be purchased with the promise of work
in exchange for being disposable at his office. Eva Green,
the actress, told Variety that she met Weinstein for a
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business meeting in Paris, where he behaved inappropriately and I
had to push him off. I got away without going further,
but the experience left me shocked and disgusted. Lizette Anthony,
British soap actress. Anthony told London Sunday Times that she
became friendly with Weinstein after meeting him in New York
in nineteen eighty two. A few years later, she told
a paper that she met Weinstein for a drink at
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his home in London. The next thing I knew he
was half undressed and he grabbed me. It was the
last thing I expected. He pushed me inside and rammed
me up against the coat rack. He was trying to
kiss me and shove inside me. She said that she
pushed Weinstein away, but he was too heavy and finally
I just gave up. Alice Evans in an essay for
the Telegraph, the actress alleges that when she first met
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Weinstein at the Canned Film Festival. He asked her to
go into a hotel bathroom with him, saying I want
to touch your tits, kiss you a little. When she refused,
she claimed that Weinstein said, let's hope it all works
out for your boyfriend, referring to a screen test Evan's boyfriend,
Eoan Gruffud, had just completed for a Weinstein project. He
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did not get the role, and Evan stated in her
essay that she suspected of her rejection of Weinstein had
hurt his chances. Sarah Smith, a former Mirramax employee in
London going by the alias Sarah Smith for legal reasons,
told The Daily Mail that Weinstein raped her twenty six
years ago. So this went on for like over three decades,
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for like forty years. He grabbed me and he was
so big and powerful. He just ripped my clothes away
and pushed me, threw me down. Then I kept shouting no,
stop and tried to push him off, but he forced
himself on me. Smith stated that she kept saying no throughout,
and once it was over, Weinstein told her to get out.
She didn't tell anyone about the attack at the time.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
She said.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
We live in a more enlightened times now, but back
then I just thought no one would believe me.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Paula watch Awayak.
Speaker 6 (29:36):
She told The Buffalo News that Weinstein harassed her after
she was working as an intern on nineteen eighty one's
The Burning. She said Weinstein exposed himself to her in
a hotel room and asked him for a massage before
making a lewd remark that's not in my job description.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
She replied.
Speaker 6 (29:52):
I told him that I was happy to be part
of the project, but I would not touch him. He
finally gave up. Lauren Hawley the Actors, shared her her
account of harassment by Weinstein on the Canadian talk show
The Social.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Holly said that.
Speaker 6 (30:05):
Incidents took place in the late nineteen nineties, when she
was in her thirties and already acquaintance with Weinstein. Holly
said that she went to a hotel for what she
took to be a routine meeting, where Weinstein exposed himself.
After small talk, he returned wearing a bathrobe, she said,
and spoke briefly about some scripts he felt he could
she could be a fit for, before asking her to
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follow him into the bathroom. At this point, my head
was exploding. He keeps the conversation going. He finishes, turns
on the shower, He gets in the shower, He's continually
talking to me. He's in the shower asking me for responses.
After she dried off. After he dried off, Holly said
the Weinstein approached her while naked, asked for a massage,
and then began to threaten her when she refused. Amber Anderson,
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the actors, claimed to be an Instagram that Weinstein cowers
to her into a private meeting when she was twenty
and propositioned with her with personal relationship. He told me
not to tell anyone I was alone with him, told
me if I did, might affect opportunities. He tried to
take my hand and put it on his lap, which
is when I managed to leave the room. Lena Heaty,
the Game of Thrones actress, said on Twitter that she
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first met Weinstein during the Venice Film Festival, during which
he asked her to take a walk with him and
made some suggestive comment and gesture. Weinstein later asked her
to meet him for breakfast in la She said, he
asked me a few questions about the state of my
love life. We walked to the lift and the energy shifted.
My whole body went into high alert. I said to Harvey,
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I'm not interested in anything other than work. Please don't
think I got in here with you for any other reason.
In response, she wrote, Weinstein was furious, and after failing
to open his hotel room door, Haty said.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
That he walked her back to the elevator.
Speaker 6 (31:45):
Ordering her not to tell anyone about the encounter as
she left. Heather Kerr, the actor, shared her story in
a news conference with Gloria Alread, alleging that Weinstein exposed
himself to her and forced himself on her during a
private meeting in nineteen eighty nine. Marissa Coughlin, actress and writer.
Coughlin told The Hollywood Reporter that Weinstein invited to her
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to a hotel in nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
To discuss a film role.
Speaker 6 (32:10):
Though there were assistants present when she arrived, they soon left,
at which point Weinstein told her he wanted her for
a lead role in a film he was developing. She
then alleges that he propositioned her, saying he wanted me
to be one of his special friends and go into
the bedroom. I told him that I had serious boyfriend
and reminded him that he was married and that we
should keep this professional. I was so blindsided that Weinstein
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wanted to barter sex for movie roles, and that was
just dozens and dozens of women of the probably hundreds
and hundreds of women that this happened to.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
And I think that.
Speaker 6 (32:45):
Corney loves warning would have been too late for a
lot of people. But if all these tiny warnings would
have come together, it could have made a difference. It
could have stopped him sooner. And the guy has really
faced no consequences. He was charged and sentenced to twenty
three years, but that was overturned by New York Court
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of Appeals in twenty twenty. Then in twenty twenty two
he had his sentence from California, so he did do
jail time because the one couldn't cancel out the other.
And then three weeks ago there was another sentencing and trialed.
I think it was maybe about a month ago now,
So I guess it's not no consequences, but it's no
consequences for way too long.
Speaker 5 (33:29):
Charges here Weinstein.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
We have breaking news from New York City where the
jury has reached a partial verdict in the sex crimes
retrial of former Hollywood producer Harvey Weinstein. CBS News National
course whind It. Nicki Batiz joined us from Manhattan with
more on just breaking News and Nikki, we have verdicts
now in two of the three charges against Weinstein. Break
(33:51):
that down for us.
Speaker 6 (33:52):
What does this mean, Auntie?
Speaker 5 (33:53):
This is pretty unprecedented to see. We have three charges here.
Weinstein has found guilty on one charge of a criminal
sex act. He was found not guilty on another charge
of a criminal sex act two different victims. On the
third charge of raith, there's no verdict. The jury said
they haven't been able to come to a verdict on
that particular charge yet.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
The judge has.
Speaker 5 (34:14):
Released the jury for the day, told them to take
a break. They'll be back tomorrow morning to resume the
deliberations on that one charge they haven't reached a.
Speaker 9 (34:22):
Verdict on yet.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
It's pretty unbelievable down here.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
So I know that they have been released for the day,
but can you explain what happened with the jury during deliberations?
What are you hearing and what do you see from
this verdict? This partial verdict.
Speaker 5 (34:36):
So this is day five of deliberations and it sounds
like it's been pretty heated. Throughout there have been at
least three jurors who have asked to talk to the
judge on different occasions, saying there's been some arguments in
the jury room. People overheard talking about other jurors.
Speaker 6 (34:49):
Today, one jury walking with a walk or trying to
look off at the people.
Speaker 5 (34:53):
Took him in a room, and we were told in
court that that juror said another jury said to him,
I'll see you outside.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
You don't know me, actually threatening him.
Speaker 5 (35:01):
The defense then called for a mistrial, and Harvey Weinstein
himself spoke to the dungeon and said, look, this isn't fair.
This is my life on the line. This shouldn't be happening.
But the judge did proceed and essentially asked the jury
if they were had reached any verdict at all, which
is what led us to this partial verdict.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
So what is next for Weinstein and all of this?
What could ultimately happen.
Speaker 5 (35:21):
At the end of the line here, Well, no matter
what happens, Harvey Weinstein was convicted in a separate trial
in Los Angeles in twenty twenty two. He's serving a
sixteen year sentence in that case. So tomorrow he'll be
back in court here as the jury finishes deliberations on
that third charge. What happens with that is yet to
be determined. But I will note that even though the
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third outstanding charge is rape, it's in the third degree,
and under New York state law, those the degree degree
of a criminal sex act actually carries a harsh penalty,
a harsher penalty than the third degree rape charge. A
little confusing, but ultimately the outcome of this trial is
still to be determined in what his sentence lent Ultimately, but.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
It gets worse.
Speaker 10 (36:06):
More turmoil at the Harvey Weinstein Sexistaul Rade trial today
as the foreman refuses to go into the jury room
to finish deliberations, leading to a bombshell decision from the
judge that had Weinstein clapping. Amra Cogliano spoke with one
of the accusers.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Chaos at the Harvey Weinstein trial.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
This is your inside edition.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
The uses to go on deliberating the arguments among seven
women and five men were so ferocious that three jurors
actually asked to be and felt pressure to change his opinion.
He was even afraid to enter the jury room. Weinstein
applauded an open court as the judge was forced to
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declare a mistrial.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
The jury was deadlocked on the charge that.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Weinstein raped actress Jessica Man. Weinstein attorney Arthur I. Dallas,
spoke out after the trial ended in chaos.
Speaker 9 (36:58):
It's gross duror misconduct. Not only did you have a
guy being threatened to the point where he refused to
continue to deliberate, confused to be in the same room,
but we found out they were considering evidence, not admitted a.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Trial wunder spoke to reporters but did not want to
be identified.
Speaker 6 (37:17):
This is Kevin fever. You know, you're locked in a
room with like what was the sixteen or seventeen people
for weeks on end that I think most of us
just wanted to be old with that.
Speaker 9 (37:24):
We were leading towards a certain decision.
Speaker 6 (37:25):
We thought it was going to be guilty.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Yesterday, Weinstein was found guilty of sexual assault on former
production assistant Miriam Hayley nineteen years ago, but the seventy
three year old disgraced movie mogul was found not guilty
of sexually assaulting former Polish model Kaya Soecola.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
Some people just did not want to agree that we
were raped, But.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
She says she has no regrets about coming forward.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
I'm not on trial. Good for you, Han, good for you,
no losing for me.
Speaker 10 (37:54):
Weinstein claims all these sexual encounters were consensual, and you know.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
I bet that that piece of shit probably thinks that
some of them were.
Speaker 6 (38:05):
I think that he got so accustomed to being such
a monster that he thinks that some of them were,
even though they weren't, even though the power dynamic was
too skewed, even though he abused his power as much
as a human possibly can while being honored as this
mirror Max God the whole time. I mean, none of
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this really came out so publicly until twenty seventeen. That's
why it's like the Courtney Love clip resurfaced, because this
was something said about behind closed doors, that people warned
each other about in private, but where everyone was too
scared to come forward publicly. And you heard how some
big some of these names were. So I think that's
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why it's such a big deal that Courtney Love did
make that statement. And there were other people over the
years who alluded to things too, like Rose McGowan, whose
career was ruined by him. He really was a career ruiner.
He really acted like these women had to have SI
with him for work, and even though Courtney herself was
never put into this position, she had heard all these
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things just like everyone else has, but she's never been
one to keep her mouth shut. I'm going to end
this episode with some of the roast of Pamela Anderson
from that night where Courtney made this statement, because this
has all just been so upsetting and so dark. So
(39:27):
I know it's bad to go from super serious to
any kind of humor, but this just literally makes me
physically sick. I literally want to rip my hair out
and vomit and just punch a hole through drywall like
the guys I dated in my twenties, because it's just
so unfair. It's so unfair, and I hate when people say,
(39:50):
why did they go up to his hotel room? Why
did he think that he had this right over other
people's bodies and lives and careers. If you don't want
anything funny, turn it off now, because this is just
going to be lighter lending it on a lighter note
for a second, not that there's anything to make light
of here, but at this roast, Pamela and Courtney kind
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of riff and make fun of each other and are
there for each other in the kind of way that
women should be. That we should all be there for
anyone who's been in these situations before, we should all
speak up. You should have been roasted, literally like at flame,
like some medieval torture.
Speaker 8 (40:26):
And we are really, really close. And Pam and I
have our differences. She falls in love with musicians. I
fall in love with good musicians. No matter how much
we disagree, I can't stay mad at her. The other
day she sat on my sunglasses.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
She broke them, but it was my fault.
Speaker 8 (40:45):
I was wearing them at the time. Okay, I mean,
I don't know that this is true, but you know
it's been said on television and said in Rolling Stone.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
It's about both of us, you know.
Speaker 8 (40:52):
Apparently me and Pam both have both interpretations being the
best in the entire world.
Speaker 9 (41:00):
Because we give it off.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
The only Pam's the girl that you.
Speaker 8 (41:05):
Wanted to tell your friends about, and I'm the girl
that you want if you refuse to tell any of
your friends about. And like to see the doctor.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
Iams my real friend.
Speaker 8 (41:14):
This isn't like a joke, Ross, Like I'm here giving
my rock cred, all right?
Speaker 3 (41:20):
She and I have been friends for years my life.
Speaker 6 (41:23):
The Happy birthday to Courtney Love. I thank her for
speaking out twenty years ago, even though it did cost
her a lot, when she's already been labeled as so
much already. I personally love her, and all my love
goes out to these women who were victimized and brutalized
and survived the things that Weinstein did. I know that
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how destructive having things like that can be to you.
It just feels like completely losing your sense of personhood,
your sense of self. As some of them said, you
try and rationalize.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
It over the years. Was it really that bad? Is
that really what happened?
Speaker 6 (42:00):
And just like the idea of being an actress, or
being eighteen, or being a waitress or a nanny or
an employer, or being excited about your script or role
and having that all ripped away by this disgusting, disgusting
man and having juries right now, who are still hung
juries and mistrials instead of just everyone seeing him for
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the rapist that he is. He's seventy three years old.
He'll probably die in prison. I hope that he does.
I hope that it's hell for him. I really do,
And I hate wishing suffering on people, but he deserves
nothing good. He had things too good for too long,
and the entertainment industry can be so abusive as is.
(42:45):
To just think that a lot of people trusted him
and put their trust in.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Him and this is what he did.
Speaker 6 (42:51):
It's just it's horrifying and justice wasn't enough. Thank God
for Ronan Pharaoh doing that piece in twenty seventeen, because
I think that if journalists wouldn't have come forward, not
come forward, but like researched behind the scenes, I mean,
and try to get people to talk against Weinstein.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
It's just it's just like so hard for some of these.
Speaker 6 (43:15):
Guys to get people to come forward because you're threatened,
your career is ruined, your family is threatened. It's just
the insanity kind of never ends, and it's just so horrific.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
So I will do a.
Speaker 6 (43:29):
Longer episode on Courtney Love. I will probably never do
a Weinstein episode again because it's just so upsetting and
horrifying to me. And I think that we did cover
a lot of his victims today, and I don't know
whether to call them victims or survivors, because it's like
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they did survive it, but you don't fully survive that.
You lose a part of yourself. It takes a long
time to get that back. Anyone who has been sexually
assaulted or raped or abused like that, you know what
it does to you.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
It just it is so hard. It makes things so hard.
Speaker 6 (44:10):
I can't even talk about my personal experiences of things
that have happened to me because it's so hard to
go there. And I think that's why a lot of
women don't come forward. And another reason we don't come
forward is because these fucking dudes don't get in trouble.
They don't get in trouble when we do. And it
takes so many people to come together it before they
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can people can believe it. And I mean here you
had like a fifty over fifty women who had to
come forward and say stuff before anything was done. And
still I mean some of his convictions were overturned, like
the mistrial happened. It's just like the justice is definitely,
definitely not complete justice. And that is just so disappointing
(44:55):
to me. It's so hard for me on a personal level.
It really just it breaks my heart. It breaks my
heart all over again. So maybe I should have done
a lighter episode today. But I think this is important
to talk about. I think it's important to have the
kind of friendship like Courtney and Pamela did. I think
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it's important to speak out about these things, no.
Speaker 3 (45:22):
Matter the cost. But that's easier said than done.
Speaker 6 (45:25):
Like I'm saying, I'm not gonna I can't talk about
my own stuff, not because I don't want to, but
because I physically feel like I can't. When it comes
to naming names and giving details. It's so hard to
go back to that space. It's so hard to be
in that mindset. It's so hard to have that level
of honesty. And maybe that's one of the reasons it
(45:46):
was easier for Courtney because she's experienced those things too,
but not with Weinstein, so it gave her some of
that bravery, even saying I know I'll be liable if
I say it, even with being dropped by c AA
and being further blacklisted than she already was from handfuls
of conspiracy theorists. But it's a hard thing to do.
(46:08):
Coming forward is really really hard. So if you've come
forward about your own experiences, I have nothing but respect
for you, and I'm sending you so much love because
it's such a freaking brave thing to do, it's such
an honorable thing to do, and it's such a scary
thing to do. I love you all very very much.
(46:30):
Thank you for listening to this one. I'm going to
make sure there's a big trigger warning in the episode
description because I know this is really hard to hear about.
It's been really hard for me to even talk to
talk about. I should have talked about when Courtney Love
and Kathleen Hannah got in a fight instead. But it's
also important. It's important that we don't forget that these
(46:50):
things happen and that people like Weinstein are held accountable,
because there's so many other Weinstein's out there. Maybe not
to this degree, but honestly, I think that there are,
and I think so many.
Speaker 3 (47:03):
People just do get away with this for so long.
Speaker 6 (47:06):
I mean, I'll do an episode on the Ditty verdict
because he got away with so much.
Speaker 3 (47:11):
That verdict shocked me.
Speaker 6 (47:13):
I really thought that he was going to go away
for life, and he got off on link more than
half the charges against him.
Speaker 3 (47:22):
So it's just so hard to understand.
Speaker 6 (47:25):
It's so that's why I think it's so hard to
come forward, because even when the case seems so tight.
Speaker 3 (47:30):
Like with Ditty, I thought they're really just going to
get him.
Speaker 6 (47:32):
People have known about him for so long, He's been
doing this for so long, and then still sometimes they
just get off.
Speaker 3 (47:38):
It's like Bill Cosby, like so.
Speaker 6 (47:41):
Many people came forward about that, and these people just
still even if they're originally sentenced, they can end up
getting off on technicalities, on having all this money and
power and being able to hire the best lawyers and
buy people off and threaten and threaten and threaten, and
it's just something something has, something has to change in
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the system, and I don't even know what that is
other than everything. Please send me your thoughts on this one.
I know that this was ninety percent rough and like
two jokes by Courtney Love, but I did want to
put them in there to show that there's still good
(48:25):
moments that we have, and the good moments don't outweigh
the awfulness and the horror, but they don't mean nothing either.
We have to hold on to them or we'll all
just collectively go insane. And that's how I feel talking
about something like this. I mean names like Angelina, Joe
Lee and Gwyneth Paltrow and all the people that I
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didn't even get to because there's just so many to cover.
Speaker 3 (48:52):
It's just I just this is where I just run
out of words for it. So I'm gonna end this year.
Speaker 6 (49:01):
Thank you so much for listening to another episode of
Broad's next Door.
Speaker 3 (49:06):
This episode was written, edited, and recorded by me. When
I say we, I mean you and I. So if
you enjoyed or enjoyed is not the right word.
Speaker 6 (49:19):
If you appreciated this episode or you think someone could
benefit from it, share it with a friend like rate review,
leave five stars. It really really helps me out, especially
being a one woman show. I'm really trying to get
to the point where I can hire an editor and
record more and have these be better sound quality, as
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I am not, by any means a professional editor. I
will try and try and give you something lighter tomorrow
because this was so heavy for Courtney Love's birthday.
Speaker 3 (49:53):
But I feel like she would get it, and I
hope you get it too. I'll talk to you soon,
and I love you very much.
Speaker 8 (49:58):
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