Gary

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, before we get started, I just want to warn
you guys at today's episode is going to contain some
talk of child abuse, drug abuse, and intimate partner violence.
And if any of those things make this a very
heart listen for you, go ahead and turn this shit
off and I'll see you in the next one later. Hey, guys,

(00:25):
Princess here and welcome to another episode of By Pumpkin
Bonus Edition. So before it gets started, I just want
to let you guys know, those who've been following along
who were asking me about my dad, he I talked
about it. I've been on Princess Diaries, and I think
some people I don't know. I feel like I feel
like I'm finding out more and more people who know

(00:46):
we personally are listening to this podcast, which is fine
as long as you don't ever fucking mention it to
me and give me no feedback and never go hey,
you know I was listening to the podcast. No no, no,
But for those who were, for those who were keeping track,
my dad is out of the hospital. He uh he

(01:09):
had callon cancer, I mean, does he still have? They
cut it out and then they also took his appendix
and so he went in on they scheduled it for Monday.
He went in on Tuesday. I took some of my
bad ass kids to visit him because it was a
delay around here for snow and ice. So I some

(01:33):
of my kids didn't go to school to eleven fucking
thirty and at night. Is what I feel like. I
just feel like, I just feel like, uh, I just
feel like, if you go to school at eleven thirty,
you might as well just stayed to fuck home. Anyway,
I took them and see my dad. They were sufficiently

(01:53):
loud and annoying in the hospital, which is what he wanted.
And then the next day, Oh, I also bought him
some flowers from the gift shop because I'm a Putts
and I like, literally, I should have just gone to
the Walgreens, but I spent my life savings on some
fucking flowers from the from the gift shop because I
was already in there and there's no parking, and my

(02:16):
mother neglected to tell me. This story is getting too long,
but my mother called me many times to let me
know that I needed to park on the right side,
the right to the right. You gotta go to the right. Listen, listen, listen,
did you know you have to go to the right
when you go in. She said this to me a
million fucking times. Why does my mother do this stuff

(02:37):
to me anxiety? Why do I do it to other
people in anxiety? And so so, although she told me
a million times what direction to go in, what sign
and look for, she never told me to have free
valet there, which is I mean, she would never do
a valet, but still she knew it was there, and
we had to park so far away and it was
cold as shit. Fine, when you go see my dad,

(02:57):
we was spending a million dollars. Listen, he's alive. So
I me and my mother spent a long time arguing
about are you in debating? I don't know. We both
enjoy it, so I don't know if it's arguing, we're
not mad. So it might be debating about where the
appendix is because they didn't originally intend to take it out.
And my mom thinks it right by your buttthole, like

(03:22):
literally in the flesh of your butt, which is not true.
And I thought it was closer. I thought it was
closer to like where your lungs are, but then they
were like, no, it's in your stomach, and I was like, okay,
so that makes sense because I was thinking it was
like new your lungs like near your breast, and my
breasts are down by my ankles, so I thought it
was you know anyway, and then we had a nice

(03:43):
debate on how to spell it. So she's she's perfectly
healthy too. Anyway, my dad's home and that's good. I'm
happy about that, and may he continue to be as
healthy as he possibly can't be. Anyway, if you saw
the description, you know it to episodes about it's a
documentary that was on Peacock in twenty twenty four. It's

(04:05):
called Gary. Now. Did I hear anybody talking about this
fucking documentary? Absolutely not. I saw it like available several times,
and I was like, somebody talking about Gary Coleman. No,
why am I talking about Gary Coleman, Because guys, I'm
one hundred and six years old, and I was like,

(04:25):
I'd like to talk about Gary Coleman. Why not? I remember,
Gary Coleman is one of the two dwarf black children
that were adopted by white people on TV during the eighties,
And that's not true, Okay, so I won't did it Run?
Different Strokes ran for seven years? And I guess it

(04:46):
happened in the seventies and Webster happened in the eighties.
Different Strokes was about a a couple of brothers whose
mother died and was the maid at this at this
rich white guy's house, and he decides to adopt them. Uh.

(05:07):
Webster is about a little black boy whose father. I
know his father played in the NFL, and maybe his
mother and father died in a plan they both died
at the same time, and so he has to be
adopted by his father's best friend who also played in
the NFL. Somebody Papadopoulos. Now why do I remember her name?

(05:32):
Because I was like, what the fuck is a Papadopolis?
But you know what, I Uh, for a long time,
I didn't know what the fuck that was. And then
I met some Greek girls, and uh, I got a
better understanding what the fuck I was talking about. Anyway,
So his name was Webster, and all of these things

(05:54):
are very hmm those shows. Different Strokes was far more
popular than Webster. I preferred Webster, okay, but I wasn't
alive what Different shops. That's probably my I preferred Webster

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when the Webster air Webster had to be mid eighties
had to be or I wouldn't have I would have
had to catch it in reruns. There's no way was
I watching it. No, I don't know, but I prefer Webster,
but Different Strokes was more popular. Both of the shows
featured diminutive black men. Okay, and for a long time

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I thought that both of them had Dwarfism, which is
not true. Neither one of them do. But because they
were smaller in stature, they were able to play younger
for longer, which is something that as child stars, is
very valuable. If you can be older, and that means

(07:01):
that that different laws apply to you, you can you
have a better memory for lines, You're you're, You're more
easily directed, but look much younger. You're you're, You're exactly
what everybody wants. So and also those two shows both
played were about transracial adoption, and they both played on

(07:29):
like white savior complexes, uh very and and and they're
both good sources of adoption inspiration propaganda, which is what
I call most Hallmark movies involving adoption. It's just okay,

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I for I don't know who how many new people
are around here, but for those who are new, the
the the act of adoption is fairly neutral. It's traumatic.
It's a traumatic thing to go through, but lots of
being born traumatic. It is trauma. But but the act
is a fairly neutral thing that can be either beneficial

(08:14):
or harmful depending on the details and the actions of
the people involved. Right. But if you come across some
adoption inspiration propaganda, some notes, some some some features of
it will be like that the people the adopters, save

(08:36):
the adoptees lives by adopting them, and God brought like
stuff like that, stuff like like uh, denying the adoptees,
uh entire like life like only focusing on the life
after the adoption. Just basically like I was, can I

(09:01):
explain it. It's just like if you see like the
slogan wanted, chosen, adopted, that's likely some place where adoption
inspiration propaganda is being used. I'm not saying that the
characters in these shows being adopted was bad. I'm saying

(09:24):
that it was. It was. It was very much like
thank God they were adopted, you know. And I remember
these shows because I remember them being it being so
interesting that they were similar shows and you know how
like especially in the early aughts where NBC would come

(09:46):
with the show, and then like ABC would have the
same show but it was called something different or barely
called something different, like wife swap or what was the other.
I didn't watch either of them, but you know it
would be a lot like that. This was a case
that that really interests me as a young age. And
also I remember when Webster got that chemistry said and
burnt down his room, not the whole house. That's weird.

(10:09):
They didn't have a big house. Catherine was the woman's
name that was married to mister Papadopolis. I don't remember
what it was, like George or something, George Papadopoulos and she.
They didn't have children, and I think they were purposely

(10:29):
child free, which was also an interesting thing for someone
to say on the on the TV during the eighties.
And Webster was like Webster just happened. Well, and let
me stop talking about Webster except for to say this,
the guy played Webster. Emmanuel Lewis throughout pop culture is

(10:53):
always compared to Gary Coleman, And from what my understanding is, well,
Emmanuel Lewis is still life. But my under to any
Emmanuel Lewis had a different life than Gary Coleman, and
that one he he had a family, and we'll get
into Gary's he had a family who was who and

(11:14):
they call him Manny. I learned that from watching him
on the Surreal Life and who he was very close to.
Apparently like he stopped acting and went to college. He
had lots of hobbies and it seemed like he had
a good group around him. And like, we've talked so
much about child stars, right when we talked about Quiet

(11:36):
on the set and we talked about I'm Glad my
mom is dead, we talked so much about child stardom
and how so many of them don't get that's it.
Being a child star is not a guarantee that you
will convert that to an adult movie star or TV star.
And the reason is that a lot of child star

(11:56):
work doesn't require so I mean, am I saying that
there's no talent, but there's it's a different type of
talent than being an adult actor. A lot of them
are to to brand it with that, with that character
that they played, and being on sets and being in

(12:20):
Hollywood is dangerous to children. I don't know how else
to put that. It just is. And I feel like,
like there's so many exposures to the dark sides of life,
and they're treated like adults a lot sooner than they

(12:42):
should be. And so many child actors don't they're not
gonna be adult act And actually, and like Janet mccurtiy said,
like you don't, there are very few people that are
gonna be on a Nickelodeon show and then they get
to go off and be in a like you don't

(13:03):
get to do you don't get to do things. You
get to do this, and then you get to do
a revival twenty five years later. And so it's such
a short shelf life. And afterwards took me a lot
of darkness. And Gary Coleman is absolutely one of the
poster people for the darkness. So let's just let's just start.

(13:31):
Gary was born in nineteen sixty eight in Chicago. At two,
he got sick from a fever and the doctors realized
he had a congenital kidney defect. Like through the treatment
like him him having this stubborn fever. He got checked
out and he had a co general kidney defect. One
was atrophied all the way, like it was not gonna
do a goddamn thing. It was like, get somebody else

(13:51):
to do it, get that other kidney to do it.
And then the other kiddy was like, I'm barely hanging on.
So he had one good kidney and good was not
was not a good descriptor of that kidney. So when
he was five, he got a kidney transplant, and I
found out to be so again. I just told you
that I thought Gary Coleman had dwarfism. Okay, I've always

(14:15):
thought that, but so it was surprised to find out
it was actually kidney disease. And I was kind of
shocked that he got a kidney at five, because he
would have to get a kidney that was not a
five year old kiddy. I just finished reading A Well
Trained Wife Chef's Kiss, all the all the all the

(14:36):
the content warnings though, all so many content warnings, like
all of them, like every single one of them. Like
pet death. There's a lot of wild pet death in
this book. Rape, drug abuse, UH, intimate partner violence like
really weird scary intimate intimate partner violence, like a lot

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of stuf. Okay, why was that? Okay? Okay, I remember
I was talking about it. Her name is Tia Levings.
I think Anyway, TIA's she was in the Quiverful movement
as a young Christian wife. She was she was brought
up very Christian and then she got into the movement.

(15:24):
So she was having a lot of babies, like, she
had so many fucking babies. She's like twenty two years old.
And one of her babies was born with a heart
defect and like it it only had two she only
had two two chambers, and so she had to get
a lot of like surgery, and then like one option

(15:45):
was to get a heart transplant. And as soon as
I'm listening to this audiobooks, soon as I heard, I
was like, what the fuck do you get an infant heart?
You have to get these organs have to be similar song,
and I guess, I guess I heard somewhere that like
your organs don't like do too much growing overall, like

(16:06):
in your body, like in terms of like or maybe
that was maybe I've heard that from somebody stupid. I
don't know, but TIA's baby would have to get an
infant heart, and she was third on the list, and
like infant hearts don't come, of course they don't. I
don't like any heart, like, oh my god, so I

(16:31):
mean she and the baby doesn't make it, but she
does get better. It's the whole thing. But anyway, A
well Trained Wife is an excellent book on and she
was in that documentary Shiny Happy People. Okay, So if
that will tell you anything about the type of content
in the book, it's a lot. But I just read

(16:55):
that and then I'm listening, I'm watching this, and I'm like,
I'm surprised. Where did Gary get a five year old's
kidney from that? That seems like not a thing that
was just gonna automatically happen, but he got it. And
they say at the hospital he came out of the
anesthesia laughing and giggling and calling his parents name, and

(17:17):
I just wanna like, I'm gonna come back to that,
and they say, like two weeks after he was doing
handstands and stuff. He was very like charismatic child already,
but like, even going through this he was he was
still like in little entertainer and stuff. And I'm gonna
come back to when I talk about them saying he

(17:37):
was a little entertainer. But let me get finish with
the kidney stuff. So he had to take immuno suppressed
sen he the the drugs that suppressed his immune system
to make the kidney take right, So this is somebody
else's kidney. You put it in your body and your
body's like who the fuck are you? And the doctor

(18:00):
give you a lot of medicine to your doctor so
that your body is gets like real hazing. It's like,
I think I know you. I guess I'll work with
you and that way the kidney will work. But I
should I should be like a medical school doctor, like
I should like I'm with the medical school, but I
should teach medical school because the way I'm describing these

(18:20):
functions is like very good anyway, Like call me anyway.
That those drugs he had to take to suppress his
immune system to for that kidney to take kept him.
It affected his growth and he doesn't have dwarfism. He didn't.

(18:44):
He never had dwarfism. He just because he was on
this strict meda this it affected his growth, like his
hormones or something like that. That's why he was of short stature.
That said, when I have not been keeping up with
Gary Coleman and when they were showing him like leaving
court and stuff, Gary Coleman looks like I guess I

(19:06):
just assumed he still looked ten, but no, he looks
like a twelve thirteen year old. Like if I were
not paying attention, it's probably the reason it is that
big bushy mustache then, But if I were not paying attention,
I would just assume he was like a twelve year old,
like if he was just probably as soon as I
started talking to him, I would be like, Oh, he's
not fucking twelve. But like from a distance, I'd be like, oh,

(19:28):
that's a twelve year old kid. That's about the height
he ends up, so oh, it's done at his growth.
And it added to the fullness of the cheeks. You
if you remember our an old character on uh on

(19:49):
different strokes, different strokes with an apostrophe by the way, anyway,
had full, full cheeks, and that also contributed to his
youthful parents. It was the drugs. Anyway. He was told
that if he was lucky he lived twelve and then
he need another kidney transplant. I will talk more about
the kidney when I talk about him getting sick, But

(20:12):
let's go back to his mother saying he was always
an entertainer, and no, no, this is something child people
parents of child stars say all the time. Oh, they
were always entertaining. She was so driven. Yes, she was
driven right to that audition by you. By you, you
drove her there in your car. But if I were described,

(20:33):
because I'm watching video and stuff of him, if I
would describe him as a kid, it seemed like he
was a character right. He was very charismatic. He liked
to be a show off. He did not mind being
in front of crowds, and he didn't mind like he
was never gonna be somebody that was gonna have the
hardest time standing up in front of the teacher, standing

(20:54):
up in front of the classroom to deliver a report.
That's just not That wasn't his thing. But he also
had a lot of balls. Like he was just I
don't know, it feels like the way to describe him,
and also the way it's shown in the home videos
and stuff, it just feels like Gary was just like

(21:14):
a da da like came out like that. Now, does
that mean that he has to con that you need
to get him into child acting. No, you don't have
to do that. I'm also not going to sit here
and pretend like Gary Coleman's family grew in Chicago, getting

(21:36):
there was he seven eight? When this when he really
starts working seven year old into movies and TV was bad?
Was like a bad choice because ultimately money does matter.
I mean I hate to be saying that, but it does.
And growing up in poverty you and all these specific

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put you at risk for all these specific things that
you don't that we don't even necessarily realize are related
to it. And I don't know, if one of my
kids was getting offers, I could I turn down money
like that for a couple of hours on set? Could I? Yes?

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Because I have a job. But I'm just saying, like,
do you understand what I'm saying? Guys, Like, if somebody's like,
does your kid want to make twenty five thousand dollars,
I feel like I feel like an asshole being like, no,
my kid doesn't want to. Maybe my kid does want
to put twenty five thousand dollars in a savings account.
Who knows, I don't know. We'll get to his parents
in a minute here, though, We'll get to those motherfuckers.

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But she says that he's just like I don't know,
He's just a lively kid, And at least that's the
way I've described and she was like, he was an entertainer,
and I would say, he's just a lively kid. He
was just real funny and not shy and always putting
on a show. They were in an apartment store and
they hot again this is like the seventies, so they
had like models modeling like a department store, run models

(23:13):
runway show, like fashion show, and he was like, could
I do that? And his mother was like, I guess
and Gary and Gary's own words went because Gary's dead, guys, right,
you guys know that. But they show us Gary's words
through Howard Stern interviews through I mean, he's done a

(23:34):
million interviews, so like you'll get the voice from interviews
and stuff like, or you'll see footage from an interview
and that'll tell you and that'll be Gary telling you,
speaking to you, or at least in an edited version.
But Gary says he wrote a letter to the department
store and asked to be in the fashion show and
they said okay. And at the fashion show, there's putting in.

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At the fashion show, he is like so fucking cute,
and there's a child agent or there's somebody there that's like,
you need to get that kid, an Asian and and
you know lots of things film in Chicago. Being a
child actor in Chicago could be something that you could,
you know, do in your spare time. And I mean

(24:17):
not all the things, but I'm saying you could do
some things in Chicago. And so he got an agent.
The agent says, he came in a three piece suit
at seven, and he had a lot of personality and
a great laugh. So the agent took him on and
he starts getting commercial work. They show us Gary Coleman
as a seven year old in a bank commercial and

(24:42):
I swear to God, if that child were on TikTok today,
I instant follow instant double tap, double tap, double tap. Okay.
He is so fucking cute. I get it. I get it.
And even though he's I wouldn't call him super professional,
like he's not, he's he's he's not super professional with

(25:04):
the lines, I wouldn't say he's got perfect line readings
that said. He's a kid. So he's so that's even better, right,
it's even better. He's kind of laughing and he's it's
so fucking good. It's so fucking good. And I'm like, yeah,
I see it. I fucking see it. I would die
for that little child, like and and Liz and I
text each other all the time with the with the uh.

(25:26):
No child should be on the internet, No child should
be in TV movies. But oh my god, look at
this child. Because we are hypocrites like I am, there's
so many kids on the internet that I'm that I
just adore. But also I shouldn't know shit about them.
I should know anything about their bedtime or how they

(25:46):
get their hair done or what they're doing. I should
know shit about them. They need some fucking privacy. Why
are you telling me this? And why am I loving it?
And I also, don't get me wrong, I said, I've
been kind of radicalized to the point I'm like, get
all the kids off all the screens. But at the
same time, I do understand that as a child, like

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seeing someone who mirrors you and like looks like you,
and as your age is really important. We bemoan all
these tweens out of here fucking up sephoras and acting
like they're twenty eight years old. And it's because they
don't have tween role models the way we used to.

(26:31):
Everybody's aging up and stuff, and it's either baby shit
or as soon as you're out of that, it's like,
all right, you're twenty five, let's go. And no they aren't.
And so having children influencers, I mean, I don't know
if I want to say influencers, but having content for

(26:52):
children by children is really nice, right. The problem is
that a lot of times it's not four children by
children and the at the the workers. Because that's what
we have to say. Guys, guys. Do I love Bash
True in Oakland? I sure fucking do. I love Braylan,

(27:14):
I love Nyla, but Braylin and Nyla and Bash to
a certain Bash not as much. And Oakland and Truth
and truth Y are working. They're working. They're their jobs, okay,
And that's the truth. And like as much as and
I I'm sure, like I don't know there the these

(27:35):
kids like they have great lives. They're their whole families
are you know, everybody knows Auntie uh miss boy. But
their families seem awesome. I seem. I'm gonna say seem
because I don't fucking know. All I know is what
videos I see and it and and I do believe
from what I've seen that they seem to really care

(27:58):
about their kids and what happens with them, and and
their exposure on the internet that said, here they are,
here they are, and it's not my kids watching them.
I'm watching them. So complicated, right, complicated. So inter Norman Lear, Right,

(28:23):
he's getting Garret Corman's getting commercials. And what happens is
that he that he goes out for Norman Lear Show
and he's in there Forever and Cassie Age is having
such a great of time and they end up flying
to LA to do some further stuff and he gets
a part on Good Times. Now, who the fuck is

(28:43):
Norman Lear? A lot of a lot of you don't
know who the fuck Norman Lair is. But Norman Lear
belongs in the category of TV giants, like like Aaron Spelling,
like like Chuck Laurie, regardless, So how you feel about him,
Chuck Laurie is going to be remembered to somebody who's

(29:04):
fucking prolific in TV creation and show shows. What what
song does Chuck Laurie sing? Theme song that I adore
the Chuck is it the Ninja Turtle song? I don't know,
it's one of It's a it's I love theme songs.
And he sings. He's actually the singer one of my
favorite ones from when he was like, you know, like
a pa or like working lowly on productions. Ryan Murphy,

(29:29):
for better or for worse, will be known as a
prolific produced TV producer. And the thing about Norman Lear
shows you're taking you're talking All in the Family, right,
you're talking, uh well, moving on up, moving on up.
The one that has Lenny Kravitz Mama on it, duds

(29:50):
The Jeffersons, which is a spin off of All in
the Family. Two two seven is a spin off of
of All in the Family, I mean of of the Jeffersons.
Maud is a spin off of something and The Different

(30:11):
Strugs is a spin off of Mad. Now here's the
thing about Norman Lear that I really really love about
Norman and Lear is that all of his shows existed
in the same universe because he had all these fucking
spin offs. He just like look and see like a
fucking character and be like making a show around like character.

(30:34):
He Also his shows were kind of known for tackling
like very special when when we make those jokes about
this is a very special episode of Punky Brewster, I
don't think normally dear Punky Brewster, but I'm about to
check what else he did? What else he did? When
we joke this is a very special episode, then that's

(30:58):
that's the thing. That's what they would address, like stuff
from right now, from what was going on, Like all
in the family would do that good times all the time.
Uh you know what, sim what I feel like would
have been a Norman Lear show The Neighborhood, which I
only know because I'm on Peacock right. No, I'm on

(31:20):
Paramount Plus watching ghosts or something else or Mattlock or
something else. I don't I don't have no business watching.
What I mean by I'm too young to be watching it.
By the way, I think I'm also gonna go get
into uh water aerobics, and I do not care from
the youngest person there. I have been watching. One of
my kids is on the swim team, so when he's
doing his practice, I'm like in the indoor, like over

(31:41):
there watching him and stuff. And on the other half
of the pool sometimes they have their you know, their
water aerobics, and baby, these are like eighty year olds,
and guess what, I wanna be there with them. I
feel like I could if it's fucking water aerobics. Anyway,
what I was saying when I say I know business

(32:01):
watching those shows, I mean they're meant for eighty year olds.
But after I watched that, the neighborhood will sometimes auto
play on my TV. And what is the neighborhood? It's
Cedric the Entertainer and Tisha Arnold. Tanisha Arnold, Tsha Arnold.

(32:23):
You know, she's the mama from Everybody Hates Chris. She
was on Martin If She's not a long life. She's
one of the people singing in the movie the movie
version of Little shapaharas uh Drio. That's her. That's her,
and Tisha Arnold, Tisha, that's her and Tisha Campbell. Tanisha

(32:44):
Arnold I think her name is. Anyway, she's on there.
The chick from Two Broke Girls and Schmidt from The
New Girls right from The New Girl is on there.
And it's about a white couple that moves in in
a black neighborhood. Uh from Michigan and they move into
a black neighborhood in LA and yeah, they just talk

(33:06):
about like why do white people do this? And why
do that? Would have been Norman Lear would talk about
things like that, which are not what was on TV
at the time. He's obviously a legend and getting on
one of his show is a big deal. Like I said,
Saffran's son Maud, I mean, there's so much shit here
that I don't know what the fuck it is because
it is well before my time. But okay, but obviously

(33:30):
I know mad because of b Arthur obviously the Facts
of Life. Yeah, because different strokes. The housekeeper on the
Different Strokes is missus. Uh do wop on the Facts
of Life, which is a great theme song. All of
these shits had great fucking theme songs. We don't have

(33:52):
great theme songs anymore, Like even the Neighborhood, which is
that Lil Wayne singing that song, Welcome to the Hood,
Welcome to the Hood, Welcome to the Hood. That's that's
the theme song. I we need to bring back Facts
of Lifestyle fucking theme songs. A theme song that's catchy,
that that the lyrics tell you exactly what this please?

(34:18):
Oh did you dude give me a break? I don't know. Yeah,
he did the Jeffersons, he did Nancy Want Nancy Walker
had a show. I didn't know that. Uh, that's the
mother from from a She's Wrotea's mother from the Mary

(34:42):
Tyler Moore show. Let me just get one more. I
want to see if there's anymore. And she was excellent,
so fucking she was so good, so good. Wow that
is yeah, One Day at a Time, One Day at

(35:06):
a Time. Oh and the remake the the reboot of
One Day at a Time on Netflix, although Netflix canceling
the last season on somewhere else on Netflix, We're just
Dean Muchado. I'm saying her name wrong, but it's based
on the Keeping Family Chef's kiss. Uh yeah, Like this
dude like just did a lot of shit. Now was

(35:28):
he a nice person? I'm I'm not gonna look too
hard on Wikipedia because if I do, then I'm gonna
find out that he used to kill babies but and
eat them. But he you wanted to be on a
normal layer. Sure, Norman Lear's shows, We're gonna we're excellent.
So anyway, Gary Coleman getting to be on that show

(35:50):
was a big deal. Like I told you, Different Strokes
was a show about a I think he was a
widower too. That they loved that. They were like, oh yeah,
make make sure somebody's theirs die. He was a widow.
I think he had a daughter, Dana Plato Pilate, the daughter.
We'll talk about Dana, and I think she was his

(36:10):
mate that Let me look this up because somebody's gonna
come out and it's gonna be like, that wasn't his maid,
and then it's gonna be like, then it's gonna be like, Princess,
you just assumed she was a maid because she was black,
and I'm like, yo, that's not I just remember this
one time I was still bargaining and these people call

(36:31):
these black people called me a racist because they said
I couldn't tell black people apart. Now here's the thing.
They were all sitting at the table that kept moving, moving, moving, moving,
And so when it came time to give out paycheck paychecks,
when it came out to give your checks, I gave
one check to the wrong person because he was in
the seat of a person that been anyway. And I'm

(36:51):
just like like, well, I don't wanna have to explain
this to you. So different Strokes started in nineteen seventy
eight and ended in nineteen eighty six. That makes sense, right.
MAUD was on for six years. Conrad Bain was on

(37:13):
MAUD for six years and it kind of like different
Strokes was kind of made up to be for Conrad
Baine and Gary Coleman. Those are the people they knew
were gonna be in it, and it's because he was
on Good Times and when they shows in the doctor
shows the clip from Good Times, Jannet Jackson is in it.
She's a little older, so this was this is later seasons.

(37:33):
Jenny Jackson's in it as Penny. We see j J. Walker,
we see Jimmy Walker. Uh, we see uh Florida Evans.
I love, I was in love that her name was Florida.
And Gary's doing this thing now now, is he an
excellent actor? No, he's a child. He's he's he's breaking

(37:56):
like he's he reminds me of the thirty Rock episode
where they do it live and and what's his name?
What is his name? I don't want to say the
black dude. What's his name? The black dude on thirty
Rock is determined Tracy. Tracy is determined to break. And

(38:24):
so he's like, kind of I'm being honest, like it's
Tracy kind of looks like Gary. But anyway, he's he's
just got a little smirk on his face. Like I'm
about to laugh right now. Okay, I looked it up.
The premise, that is the premise his housekeeper died and
and and the adopted her sons, and the original the

(38:49):
original title is gonna be like forty five minutes from Harlem,
even though it's like the upper east side of Harlem
is not that far. So yeah, that's what. So he
gets on there, and the other kids on that show
are Todd Bridges and Dana Plato. Todd Bridges plays Willis,

(39:12):
Gary Cohen plays Arnold, and Dana Plato plays Comrade Baines's daughter.
I let me talk about Dana Plato and Todd Bridges
for a second here, because we do hear from Todd
Bridges in this documentary, and about how when Gary, when

(39:38):
he met Gary, Gary was like ten, and he was
like thirteen, and he was like, oh, that's a little man,
because of just the way he would say lines and stuff.
And I don't know that he necessarily knew that he
was saying lines that way, but Gary was very funny.
I don't know if Gary knew how he was funny
or why he was funny, which is happens to a
lot of child actors. Anyway, they met there. Todd Bridges,

(40:01):
if you don't know, is the poster boy for child
actors that go that die young. And he didn't die young,
but they used to be bet so when he was
gonna fucking die, he was in onto a lot of drugs.
He's been arrested for drugs and guns. I don't remember
who it was that said Todd Bridges would saved their
fucking life. But he's been in the recovery space. Although

(40:21):
I'm not sure that he necessarily call himself in recovery.
I think that that, uh, there have been times when
he was not anyway. I don't know his tea like that,
but he's the poster boy for that. And Dana Plato
was too. In fact, all of them kind of were like, oh,
child actors who never got a job again, blah blah
blah blah. Dana Plato died of an overdose. She had

(40:42):
drug issues as well. Died of an overdose. And what
I remember most about that is that she died in
like a trailer and the man she was with, maybe
her husband or fiance, took pictures of her dead body
before she before he called nine one one. I think
I think that was the story at the time, and
that they ended up on the front page of the Inquirer,

(41:04):
which is so sad, Like I don't know, you know how,
Like I have like a real hard time with people
filming people panhandling or people on drugs and things like that,
or people in who are like going through a mental
a psychotic break or something and they don't know where
they are, And I have a hard time. There's a lot.
I'm not quite sure what bothers me so much about it.

(41:27):
I think it has a lot to do with shame
and consent and how especially if they're famous, how we
liked we want to see, oh someone so's a crackhead. Now,
let's what do they look like now? Like we And
I'm saying we because I'm a part of that. Like
I'm also like, like I just finished Carry Washington's Menmoir,

(41:47):
and I was like, what do Carry Washington kids look like?
And and in the memoir she was like, I don't
want people to look at my kids. And I'm already
type of Carry Washington kids. But I'm a part of that,
like that, like we're all like ghules, you know, And
there's something about that being upon a pestle and people

(42:09):
pushing you off, and and the shame and the and
the downward. There's something about that that really fucks with me.
And this idea that data Plato, who I don't, I'm
not when I say famous, she will always she would
have always been famous, would she had been wealthy, would
she been relevant? No? But people always be like y'all

(42:30):
know Dana Plato, you know, the girl from Yeah, And
to breathe your last breath on a mattress in like
a rundown trailer and then have someone take pictures of
it and sell it is humiliating to me, even in
death's the humiliation aspect of it. But when we like

(42:57):
I know that for I know that. In the early aughts,
we definitely talked a lot about child stars gone wild,
and we talked about our Lindsays and our Brittanys. But
before Lindsay's and our Brittanys, we talked about our Todds
and our Danas. Okay, And so even seeing like when
TOI Bridges got on the scround like, oh Ti Bridge

(43:18):
is so alive because he I mean for a long time,
like like he said they were he said a lot
of people lost money, bet no me to die first.
So oh, there's also some footage of the three childs
of the three of them playing with like a cardboard
box and like putting shit. My kids would do like
my kids always, especially my youngest kids, They always like

(43:41):
want me to give them my old Amazon box so
they could cut Like bearbrid made a TV with a
remote out of one and pretend to watch TV for
a while, even though there are many TV's he was
allowed to watch stuff like that. He makes dioramas in
his he they paint things on them and and and
pretend to be Panda Express and betend like they're running
the fucking Pantent Express like this. My kids have always

(44:04):
done this and watching them do this on camera because
there's footage of it. And I don't know how suf
that was or if that was for like entertainment tonight.
I don't know what that was for. But I'm watching
the footage of the three of them like playing in
this box. I was like, Oh, they were fucking young.
They were they were young. Todd Bridges was thirteen, and

(44:27):
I know that we all think that thirteen year olds
are like like that movie is it fifteen? Yeah, the
movie's fifteen or is it no, it's thirteen. The movie
It's fifteen and Pregnant is a is a movie with
What's your Name Kirstian Duns and thirteen is a movie

(44:51):
with Evan rachel Wood. So, but when we think of teenagers,
almost always people are talking about that the kids in thirteen,
but it's not necessarily true. And like watching Todd Bridges,

(45:11):
I'm like, those are kids, those are little fucking kids.
And then someone comes and goes, okay, we need you
in the set, and like Dana Plato pops out of
a box like okay, And I don't know. That really
affected me about how young they were over there, and
like all the bad things that happened to them. Anyway,

(45:33):
So we're gonna meet. We meet. We also meet Dion Meel.
Dion is very important. Okay. Dion has been Gary call
m his best friend since he was a child. What
does he look like? He looks like an off duty
Michael Jackson and personator circa early nineties. He does not
look hot like how Michael Jackson looked when he died.

(45:53):
He looks like Michael Jackson in the early nineties. And
when I say off duty, I mean does he look
exactly like him. No, but even when he puts on
like the hat and the outfit and moon walks on
Hollywood boulevar and you're like, oh, okay, and then you
have to take a picture with him so you can
be like, I took a picture that that's what he
looks like. That's what he looks like. A couple spins

(46:14):
and then you're like, Okay, I see it. I see
it now. I and and So I don't even know
if that's a compliment, because I don't think he's an
Michael Jackson impersonator. So I might be I might be
dragging him right now, but I'm not trying to. I'm
just trying to give you an idea what it looks like.
He was Gary Cleman's manager business manager at some point.
He was his best friend since he was a kid.
They've known each other since he was on the show.

(46:37):
We never quite get into what Dion's mother did for
a living or what his fam what family comes from,
And I tried to google it and didn't get much.
Dion's mother had to do an audit of the set
teacher okay for some reason, and she goes, do you
want to gum with me. They've got this new kid

(46:59):
on the set that's really fun, and she's on this
set that's really funny. She was talking about Gary Coleman,
and so Diancedea, I'll go and they go. They get introduced,
and they're like fast friends and they are friends for
the rest of their life. Of Gary's life anyway, So
I'm introducing people that are talking about him in this documentary.

(47:19):
Now different strokes made Gary Coleman crazy fucking famous. He
was the obvious breakout star. Knowing now that he and
Conrad Baine were the two that were in place when
they came out with the concept makes sense. He was
so little and cute, he sounded like an old man,
and he would use that catchphrase what you're talking about
at least three times in episode, even though he didn't

(47:40):
really love it. It came about accidentally, like someone wrote
that line from them, then he said it, and the
studio audience went wild, and then they're like, okay, put
that in every time. There are lots of guest stars.
We see Jenny Jackson, obviously, Nancy Reagan's on there, Muhammad Ali,
mister T and that fucking clip was funny. He as

(48:00):
fuck Gary Coleman is in a mister T wig so
it's really a ball cap with some hand on the
top of it, and he's got a lot of fake
gold jury on and he's dancing around and he turns around,
mister T is in the doorway, and I fucking die.
And I know you guys are like the pristiss. That's
not that funny. Guys, stop hating on sitcoms. Yes, they

(48:21):
are fucking funny. They could be perfect. Okay, this shit
was funny to me. It was a door but I
was like, this is why he was famous by nineteen
eighty three. Gary Coleman's like fifteen. Remember they thought he
was gonna die by twelve. He need a kidney by twelve.
And at the height of his success, he has a
big team around him. He's got a lawyer, he's got
a business manager, a publics as agent, in an entourage.

(48:42):
And his parents were his like regular managers. And his
parents were a lot, especially his dad. His dad created
a hostile working environment on the set a lot. They
didn't want him there. He'd be coming in with like
the stars here, the stars here, And they interviewed both
his mother and his far I guess they're still together,
which is shocking to me. But his father was like, well,

(49:04):
I was told he was the star. I know, but
did you think that you should like come in going
the stars here? Y'all can get to work. And now
is that what you thought you should do? Is that
what you thought you should do? Is that? Is that?
Is that appropriate? Is that nice? Did you do that
to be nice? Whenever I whenever someone's like why I

(49:25):
was telling the truth, or well I only said that
because they said this, I always go back. Remember when
Brandy Glanville said, like let out that adrian Maloof's kids
were had by surrogate and apparently Adrianne Mloof was like
a suit of fun out of them and stuff like
it's so long ago, Remember like when someone would care

(49:47):
about something like that. Although I think it's cultural for
Adianne Maloof, I think anyway, And it just put this
whole thing. Adrienne was the first one out to come
to a a reunion for Beverly Hills and she got
fired and that kind of became the rule from then on,
at least the next season. You gotta be gone. And

(50:09):
I remember the aftermath of it and everyone's talking Brandy's there,
Adrian and Paul are not there, Mauricio's there, and because
Kyle's there, and she keeps going, it's true, it's true.
I only say the truth. I only say the truth.
And I don't know why this is so stuck up here.

(50:30):
But Mauricio is sitting there, He's like, Okay, but did
you say it to be nice? Is that why you
said it? You know, with this accent and everything. He
wasn't Mo back then. He was Mauricio. Mauricio, Did you
say it to be nice? Is that why you were
saying it? And I think about that all the time,

(50:50):
especially when my kids were like, I didn't say I
wasn't your I'm thinking, well, did you say it to
me nice? Is that what you're trying to tell me?
You said it to be nice? You were like, oh, okay,
this will make everybody in the room feel good? Or
or were you there? Were you there to start the ship?
Which one was it? And that's how I feel about
Geir Gooman's daddy. Anyway, Gary started getting really baby had

(51:12):
two He had, like I said, he had this big entourage.
He knew he was the star of the show. His
parents really encourage him to act like he was a
start of show. He actually told the onset hairdresser to
come in so she could slap her. Now, this black
lady's interviewed several times. Okay, now, obviously she was not
an old black lady back then, but she had told

(51:35):
him that day that if he slapped her, they would
have to shut down different in the different strokes. She
would fuck him up, she'd beat his ass. And she
she leaned to the camera and said that, and I
was like, yeah, Gary, she was gonna whoop your ass.
She did not care that she was a starter show
before she was about to tell yo, little she was
gonna tell you. She was gonna turn you everywhere but

(51:57):
loose every which way, but loose. That's what she was
about to do with you. I believe her. I believe her.
This bitch like she can fight, and she like she
don't mind whooping a child. She don't mind fighting a child.
She don't mind beating a child's ass. And I do
mean that both ways, like as in uh spankings and
also just like an all out fucking fight with a child,

(52:18):
like just to like to throw your shoes off in
the street and whoop the ass. Fight like this, You're
lucky Gary, That's what I'm trying to say here, Like
she was gonna beat your ass, baby. So back to
the kidneys. In nineteen eighty five, Gary's transplanet kidney was
absorbed by his body. When Dion said, I was like,

(52:38):
what what It just absorbed? What? What is it mean?
I wanted to google it, but I was afraid I
was gonna get a picture and I didn't want to
see that. But it just like, I don't know. I
thought if the kidney like failed the kidney, if the

(52:58):
body was like rejecting the kidney, I thought it would
just like stop working and kind of like atrophy like
his like one of his first kidneys did. But this
is an idea that like what day I'm just imagining
Gary goes in for his yearly appointment and they do
an ex ra and they're like, bitch, the knny is gone.
The kidney's gone, Kenny's gone. Your body ate it, He's gone.

(53:20):
There's a little note here saying you couldn't do it,
no work xoxo that kitty used to have. I could
not had to pause, I could not take it. I
was like, what does that mean? So who would have known?
Watching a Gary Coleman documentary, I would have been like, Yeah,
there's a lot of new shit I'm finding out here, Brody.

(53:41):
So so Deon tells us that from nineteen eighty five
to the day he died, Gary Coleman had no kidneys.
I had no clue you could do that, no clue.
And so immediately I was I was like again I
had paused. I was like, what the fuck are you
talking about? But pause, It's like, okay, So Gary Koleman

(54:03):
didn't have any kidneys. All right, that's apparently a thing.
What's he gotta do. He's gotta go to dialysis a
bunch then, right, And Dallas is for those who don't
know when you're when your kidneys aren't functioning correctly, or
they have low functioning, or maybe you only got one.
A lot of times your kidney's clean your blood. So
what you gotta do is you have to go to

(54:25):
the hospital or wherever you go for dialysies, sometimes in
the hospital, sometimes in the clinic, whatever your dialysis clinic.
You gotta go there, you sit in a chair, they
hook up all these like tubes to you and they
literally take all your blood out, wash it up with
some Dawn dish soap or whatever. They clean it up
over there, and they put it back in there. They

(54:45):
get they I guess it's not Dawn dish shop, but
it's not. It's not Dawn power wash. It's they're filtering
your your kidneys filter your blood, so they're filtering out
impurities in your blood, and then they put it back
in you. And it takes three or four four hours.
It takes a long fucking time, bro. And when I unpausted,

(55:05):
that's what Dian was saying, that he was going every
he was going like three four times a fucking week
for three or four hours at a time to get
this dialysis. And I was like, oh my god. And
he's still working at this point. Usually by the time
people were doing shit like that, they're old or they're
disabled in a way that they cannot work. And he's

(55:27):
still working. He's still the bread winner. He's sick a lot.
He would vomit during scenes. The hair dresser actually spent
a lot of time with him. I guess she didn't
have to whoop his ass that day. And still evetting
her out in the fucking street fighting Gary Coleman, I mean,

(55:48):
and she was gonna win. I don't know what Garrey
thought he was going she was gonna win. But one
of the production producers, because they just hung out a lot,
like she spent a lot of time in his room
and stuff. One of the producers was like, like, well, how's
Gary doing, and she said he's sick, and which is true,
he's sick. And they said, okay, So they shut down

(56:08):
production for like two days, which is not enough, but
it's also more than what I would have thought they
would have done. I can imagine production being like, get
to work, kids, but apparently I shut down for two
days because Gary's just not feeling well and like, let's
give him a break. And the dad was really mad,
and they actually came like rolled up on the hairdresser
and was like yo uh. He was like, what makes

(56:35):
you get the right blah blah, and she's like, they
asked me if he was sick, and I said he
was sick, So that's what I said. Now, she didn't
tell me she was gonna whoop, his daddy asked, but
I believe that was gonna happen too. Both of you
almost got your ass whoop by the hairdresser because she's
seeming like she I'm just saying, she's seemed like she
don't she don't, she don't take no guff, get out
her face, all right. Now, we hear from Gary's agent

(57:00):
and he says that that's the opposite of what he saw.
He said a lot of times, there's a lot of
ways to make a lot of money, and he and
they would come to the parents about it and they
would be like, oh, Gary, like he was supposed to
go on a tour of Australia and do a bunch
of shows and appearances there, and they would have made
a buttload of money. And they're like, Gary's not feeling well,
so no, we're just gonna he's gonna rest for a while.

(57:21):
I don't know if I believe the agent. It's not
that if everybody's telling one story and somebody else is
telling another story, the person not in not matching everybody
else as a liar, that's not true. But until I
know otherwise, there's a lot of people telling this one story.
Until I know why they're all telling that story and
you're telling this story, I mean, it just seems like

(57:44):
they're probably being more truthful. When Gary was seventeen, he's
growing out of the role. All right, he was ten
when he started. He's seventeen now. He's damn near grown man.
Maybe not a real real grown up, but literally grown.
And his character is still so young. And seven years

(58:10):
is a long time to do a sitcom, right, I've
talked about this before. I forget what the name of
it is. But the fact is is that sitcom characters
become themselves more and more as the season's go on.
And that's why when you watch a great sitcom like Riva. Okay,
y'all stop sleeping on the fucking sitcoms. Not everything can
be dexter. Not everything can do that, and everything can

(58:31):
be a fucking what is that shit that y'all love
to fucking death that often gives me heartburn? What is
her name? White orchid? Is a white orchid or white orchard.
It's the one where rich people go into a resort
and then and it's always like some weird class thing
or whatever. Not everything can be that. Something's gotta be

(58:53):
riba and we gotta love it. Okay, it's a fuck
what a thief song that fucking snaps? All right, that's
a real song too, by the way, I know because
it's on my everyday playlist and sometimes it comes up
and I'd be grooving anyway. Like on Riba, Van goes

(59:16):
from being like just a doorkey adopey teen boy to
being like, how did Van even open this door? Like,
because people get closer and closer to they more and
more themselves. Seinfeld is one of them, like go go
to anything that ran forever and you're like, oh. Towards
the end, they become characteratures of the character that they

(59:37):
started off with. And and so, I mean seven seasons
a long time and he doesn't want to play a
kid like like that. This is all common, but the
network they want to make the money that they they
don't want to fix nothing that they broke, so they
want to do what they did. So different strokes end.

(01:00:06):
And when it was over, Gary did not want to
work in entertainment. He just didn't want to. He wanted
to do something else. But you know, Gary Coleman LLC
was not happy about that. You know, his mom and
daddy and the agent and the parents were putting together
shows and things that and Gary's like, I do not
want to do this. I don't want to act anymore.

(01:00:31):
And he was just really upset by it. Gary had
a suicide attempt that later that year. He calls Deanna
say goodbye, and Dean recees over to find him alone.
They cried together and find him alone. He was like
at a piano and he was just hitting one key
at a time, and they cried together and they talked
it through. And I wanna say this though, I'm sure

(01:00:58):
that Gary was going to kill himself with pills or something,
and maybe he'd been drinking any of those sortain things,
which I can't believe. Gary Coleman was fucking drinking with
no kidneys. No, not a kidney, and not a kidney.
Took the fucking seen just out here, dren Okay, okay,
I actually isn't deliver that's effected, but the alcohol. Never mind,
go ahead and drink Gary, go ahead. I'm sorry, doctor

(01:01:20):
Princess was very sorry. I just so fucking judge. You'm like,
how dare you? And I don't even I mean him,
my fucking fat street, I even know you. He had
no kidney. So I watched. I'm still like stressed about it,

(01:01:43):
and the man is dead already, he's and I'm still like,
I can't believe you didn't have any kidneys, just going
on and on about the ship anyway. But so I'm
sure that Gary, I don't know how Gary was planning
to kill himself, but I don't know how he was
playing the complete suicide. But Babe, Dion did not say

(01:02:04):
there were pills and whiskey there. But we get b
footage of a heavy filter on the piano with a
bunch of pills and whiskey on it, and I'm just like,
what does that have to do with what Dion is
saying besides the piano? Dion? And if Dion did say that,
why wouldn't you why wouldn't you show us him saying
that I don't know? I was like, come on, guys,

(01:02:28):
do better? Who edited this? Anyway? They went to Hawaii
to kind of get away again. He doesn't want to work.
He and he just like he feels suicidal. He feels
like he's nothing. He's still ill, you know, like this
is a this is a boy that they that they
told you was dying when he was two. Then then

(01:02:50):
he had a kidney transfer when he was five. They
told you he was gonna he was gonna last till
he's twelve. He's now seventeen with no kidneys and a
parent can drink as much as you want. And he
doesn't want to do this anymore, and so he feels awful.
He's finding his parents feels awful, and they go to

(01:03:13):
Hawaii and they kind of just like hang on Hawaii
and do shit. And it's there that Gary really starts
asking about money, question about his money. Now. I want
to point out something here. This is again when I
was thinking about Emmanuel Lewis, about how Emmanuel Lewis did
Webster for however long it was probably like for you

(01:03:34):
if it was no, it's non near long is a
different strokes and maybe a couple other things, and then
just lived and just went off. He went to college
and he probably I think he works in marketing or something.
And and he went to Clark Atlanta Greade School. And

(01:03:58):
I don't think. I don't think he says a family
or anything like that, but maybe he's because I'm trying
to imagine him with some children. That's why I'm asking.
That's what I'm thinking, like does he have kids? But
maybe he's uncle Manny and they're like, ohay man, he
tellsu bout your life and he's like, yeah, man, I
used to be Webster did you know that, And it's

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just a story he told. He got some money, and
that's a story he told. Not it didn't define his life.
Maybe it defines his life to me, because that's all
I know him from, But I don't think it defines
his life. And maybe I'm wrong about that. But Gary
Coleman did not have that option. Even as he's trying
to get out of he's he's done being arnold. And

(01:04:38):
even after that, he just he can't even get them
to leave him alone. So Gary's like looking at his
money and he started doing accounting of the money, and
he termined into his business relationship with everybody. The lawyer
is gone, the publicist is gone, the business manager gone,

(01:05:01):
the agent is gone, and the parents are gone. And
then he did all that in eighty eight, and everyone
assumes it's Dion's fault. Like even even the agent is like, well,
I think Dion is hanging out with this big child
star and thinks this is my job to getting to
be into a manager and this and this and that.

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And they show us footage from Howard Stern, Gary talking
on her Howard Stern Stern, and he it was like
two years before his death. Maybe I think that's what
it said. And he talks about Dion as a positive
force in his life, and that like basically, when he

(01:05:43):
has no problem talking about the people who took advantage
of him, he has no talking problem talking about that
agent and saying that agent turned on him when he
did not want to do things anymore. That's when he
started feeling pressure all the time. But he doesn't say
he doesn't say that about Dion. And this is a
couple of years before he died, so it's it's been
over a long time. The ride has been over a

(01:06:06):
long time. So I just feel like it's clear from
Gary that that's not how he feels. Now. I want
to stop here because the dad says that Dion was
a demon and that he warned him that if he
ever tried to do anything to or with Gary, he'd
kill him. So like Dion's obviously gay. I almost when

(01:06:33):
we roll it back, he's obviously queer. I don't know
anything else about it, but he's obviously queer. And Gary
Coleman's daddy. What you thought he was? Fucking Gary? What
what is going on? And like we're here talking about

(01:06:54):
there's a problem. We're gonna really get into the money. Shit,
there's a problem with this fucking money. And you'll the
problem is that you thought Gary might be gay with Dion.
I don't care if Gary Coleman sucking all the Dixon Hollywood.
Where is the goddamn money? Okay, Now, I'm nothing to
do with this. And that also I'm like, okay, okay,

(01:07:17):
I see it now. So he's been hanging out with Dion, Dion's, Dion's.
Dion has been clockable the whole fucking time. All the
pictures we see with it's he's clockable. Okay, So I'm
now picturing again this from that, I'm this is what

(01:07:41):
I'm getting. Oh, already, you didn't want Dion around him
because he's queer, And now it seems like Dion is
the one that spear heading y'all getting fired and people
and and and Gary asking so what about these accounts?

(01:08:06):
And yet and still you focus on whether or not
he's trying to fuck Gary. And don't get me wrong,
Gary was a child actor, and he should have been
worried about people on set trying to fuck him. To
be honest, everything everything we've heard about child actors, he

(01:08:26):
should have been worried about that. But I just found
this to be such a weird time for him to
be saying that you didn't like Dion, you didn't like
his influence, and you didn't and you didn't like the
fact that he was so obviously not hetero. So Dion

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becomes the business manager in late nineteen eighty seven. Everyone
thinks that he's writing and Gary's coattails. Dione says he
had a successful family. He didn't need Gary for more money,
like to know more about that. He was a trusted friend.
He said, he'd been a trusted friend for many years
and that's how he got in that position. And it
wasn't supposed to be long term. So for two years,

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Gary is investigating his fucking finances. He lawyers up and
they start to go through it, and they find out
that in that seven years or maybe let's say, let's
call it ten, let's call it ten, because he started
getting commercials. We seven that in that time, in that decade,
Gary Coleman earned eighteen million dollars. Eighteen million dollars in

(01:09:35):
nineteen eighty seven, money, nineteen eighty eight, money, Jesus fucking Christ,
that's a lot of money. During that time, he earned
eighteen million dollars and before taxes, he's paid twenty percent

(01:09:57):
to his parents because they're his managers. His agent got
ten percent, his business manager got five percent, and he
had two lawyers and they got seven point five percent.
They show us to supply chower on the TV. This
does not seem on reasonable to me. These all seem
standard industry's standards. I mean, the fact that your parents

(01:10:19):
are your managers is something that happens with child stars
all the time. But yeah, this all like, it doesn't
seem anybody's taking more than they're supposed to with this split, right,
and that's all before taxes, guys. And then so even
the money they gave, Like you have to pay taxes
on the money that your agent gets because it's income

(01:10:46):
even though you never saw it. When Sidney Sweeney was
talking about how she has to keep working she can't
tainification blah blah blah, we all made fun of her,
like because that's what they does. Uh yeah, but she
wasn't or wrong and that like, you have to have

(01:11:06):
fashion houses wanting to dress you, because how can you
fucking afford to do it? Everything you it's the split
is hard. You have to you kind of need to
be eaten free places, because especially if you're if you're
a working actress or Cidney Sweeney's famous. But the cut,
the split is a lot. That's all I'm trying to say.

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But then they mentioned that twenty five percent of Gary's
money was supposed to go into a blocked account. I
don't know if they meant a Cougan account that's what
they're talking about, but it was a blocked account that
twenty five percent of his money was supposed to go into.
Maybe they didn't mean that, but like it was the law.
But is the Coogan count twenty five percent? I don't know.
But anyway, in Gary's case and Gary and I think

(01:11:53):
the Cougan thing came later, and Gary's twenty five percent
was supposed to go in this fucking blocked account and
they did it, and I was like, oh, okay, they
set it up. But again and again his parents went
to the court and petitioned to take money out of
this blocked account for investments real estate stuff, a building

(01:12:14):
in Utah, a shop, a strip mall here, blah blah blah.
One hundred percent of the investments failed. Okay, A broke
clock is right. Twice a day what's going on with you?
You can't even get okay, what the fuck are y'all doing? Okay?

(01:12:36):
And also, if you wanted to invest, why didn't you
invest the money you made as a salary. Why are
you investing? Is this Gary's investment? Or is an investment
for you? I'll get back to that. There's also a
series of loans from that blocked account that were never

(01:12:57):
paid back. And when the lawyer, like, when this was
brought to Gary's mama, she said those were gifts. Gary
wanted her to have those gifts. Three hundred thousand dollars here,
two hundred thousand dollars there. They were written down his loans.
But she says they were gifts. And the most egregious
of all this got be so fucking hot. Guys, they

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took seven hundred and seventy thousand out of that blocked
account and put it in a pension fund. Then dissolve
the pension fund, and they the parents received that money
as members of the pension. Now, when I washed this,

(01:13:39):
I was like, when they says they put in a
pension fund, I was like, okay, yeah, Gary needs a pension. Like,
imagine if Gary could have made eighteen fucking million dollars
in ten years, and then got to go to fucking
college and became a dentist somewhere, and he got to
be Gary Comban the dentist, you know what I mean?
Whoa and and and he got to invest in stuff

(01:14:01):
and he got to whatever. But he was Gary Coleman
the dentist. And and he had like a fucking three
quarters of a million dollar pension whence time he was eighteen,
and that would be administered by somebody, and uh that
his retirement from would grow until he was actually time
for him to fucking retire? Set up nice? What's what's

(01:14:23):
wrong with that? So when they were like the pension
was for the moment, Dad was like, what the fuck
is Gary putting money in your pension like this? Now,
maybe I don't know much about fucking pinches, you know what,
I probably don't, but it doesn't make sense that only

(01:14:43):
Gary was contributing to your pension. You contribute to your pension,
and then your employer. I mean I guess he was
your employer, but not in that way, not in that way.
He wasn't like you guys were w two employees. No,
it doesn't make any fucking sense. Somebody how like, that's
the problem, me trying to make sense out of something
that wasn't made in no sense sense to be seen
here because I was hot. I was hot when I

(01:15:03):
was watching this, like like I had to pause. I
had angry, hot fucking tears. I don't know why, I
just you know what it is. I thought they fucked
up the money. I thought. I thought there was no
block to count. I thought they just like he got
the they get his checks, and and they bought too
many cars or too many houses they didn't fucking need,

(01:15:26):
didn't paid taxes on it. Then they lost the house
and they couldn't sell it like shit like that. I
thought they were on drugs, right, I thought Gary was
on drugs, and so were they. I don't know. I
thought they fucked up. I thought they got swindled a
few times. I I understood that they fucked over his money,
but I thought they did it in good faith. I

(01:15:46):
think that's the problem. I thought they did any good faith.
I didn't know they were dirty John in him. I
had like that pension shit was straight up fucking fraud.
That was straight fucking fraud. Those loans that are gifts,
And I understand that it happens with family all the time.
But I came into this believing that Gary Coleman was

(01:16:09):
a dwarf or had I don't like the way I
said that Gary Coleman had dwarfism, that his parents like
lost all his money, not stole all his money. That's
what I thought. And so I was so fucking high
at this eighteen million dollars in nineteen eighty eight money.
Are you fucking crazy? Eighteen million dollars? And here's the

(01:16:33):
other thing. Gary Coleman is gravely ill. Let's back, let's
not forget. He ain't got go goddamn kidneys. Okay, So,
and so I'm god of health assurances he had, Who's
gonna pay his He's gotta go to fucking dialysis three
or four times a week. Who's gonna pay his fucking
medical bills? And y'all out here stealing from him? Are

(01:16:55):
you all crazy? You're ill? Little child? Who did begin
you're stealing from him? Jesus Christ. I was so fucking upset.
I don't know. It's so triggering, Like why would you
fucking steal from him? I just thought you were idiots,
not villains? Oh my god, Like this is a man

(01:17:18):
who's gonna need to be medical care for the rest
of his life, and who knows what kind of medical
care he's gonna need. He might try to know a
shot to get the kidney. I don't fucking know. But like,
I'm like, who's gonna pay those fucking bills. Oh, he's
been dying since he was two years old. You guys

(01:17:41):
are stealing from him. Jesus, that's evil, bitch, that's evil.
So Diana and Gary go to his parents' house once
they get all the accountings six years there's a picture
of him sitting on all the lawyer boxes. I was like, Oh,
this is the time to be posing all cute Gary.

(01:18:04):
It was cute, though, but they go to be like, listen,
this is what the lawyer found and his parents. Diane says,
his parents were in Dean Nile. She went right off
their back. They were like, we're your parents, Your money's fine.
Shut up. So in nineteen ninety he files a lawsuit.

(01:18:25):
And when he files that lawsuit against his parents for
mismanagement of funds and the loans and all the stuff,
and like in the illegal shit they did, they filed
to get a conservative ship over him. He's twenty two
at this point, which is another dastardly fucking thing. So

(01:18:48):
I've talked like I've talked a bit about conservative ships
on here. We talked about Brittany, we talked about Wendy
and how important it is to know that you're not
supposed to easily get a conservative ship. There are plenty
have conservative ships out there, but they're mostly to do
with people who are indigent, right, people who are disabled
and don't have an income and don't have eighteen million

(01:19:09):
dollars over ten years, and the conservative ship is so
that this person can handle their affairs, right. Most of
people have conservative ships do not have money attached to
them like that. But here's the thing. You should not
be able to just get a conservative ship. It should
be hard for you to get it. And it can't

(01:19:31):
just be because somebody's a drug addict or because you
don't like who they're hanging out with. Because every time
I say this, I'm like, somebody's misunderstanding out there. But
you're allowed to be a drug addict. You're allowed to
be mentally ill too. Being mentally ill does not take
away every single one of your rights. Now. Now, obviously,
if you have a loved one who's mentally ill and
they're harming themselves and others around them. They're you are

(01:19:55):
definitely trying to I can understand you're trying to get
them help and things like that. But just being ill
does not mean that you no longer hold these rights
that are like that are basic to the rest of us.
That's not it's not That's just not how it's supposed
to be. We should ask questions about when people get

(01:20:20):
current reserve ships. We should ask questions about Wendy Williams's
financial situation in which a bank was able to to
initiate those proceedings. We should ask questions because it's not
supposed to be easy. H And again, I don't want
to sit here and pretend like I don't think Wendy
Williams something's going on. That's not I DI did a
whole fucking it was probably fucking three hours, so I

(01:20:42):
talked about Wendy Williams. But I still the questions must
be asked. And it's not because it's not just about
Wendy Williams or Brittany or even Gary Coleman. It's about
all of us. Okay, I found that dastardly I found
that the furious that they spent up all his money.

(01:21:04):
They dirty john to him and when he come to
ask questions, they're like, oh, let's get a conservative ship.
And I'm sorry. I know a lot of people are
like are like a little softer on his mom than
anybody else. But nah, I didn't like the look of her.
I didn't like it. When we're watching that old news
footage and she's walking, she kind of puts her hand out.
She kind of puts her hand out to like flick

(01:21:26):
her watch and then like flicks her eyes at everyone
else and keeps walking. I'm like, nah, nah, I don't
like this. They're in this together. I refuse to put
blame on one of them and not the other. And
that's es suially what happens to go in the court.
Gary's on his side. He's kind of slumped down in
his chair because you just told your parents like, hey, bruh,

(01:21:50):
where the fuck is my money? And they responded by
telling the judge that you are crazy and you can't
take care of yourself, and they need to have they
need to have they need to have like control over
your finances. I don't know, I mean, cause then you
can have financial, conservative ships, and personal like you can.
There are all kinds of aspects. I don't know all
the details of what they said about him, but that

(01:22:11):
is so gross. That's so fucking gross. And I can
s and Gary sitting there in that courtroom just basically
being like, fuck my life. I'm like, yeah, yeah, he's
been fighting with his parents. And guess what if he
had gone to Canada and made that TV show about

(01:22:33):
being a little detective, they wouldn't be mad at him. Mmm,
like I'm mad. You know. I don't have any real
beef with my parents right now. Like I I've had beef,
They've done things I don't like. And when I was
younger we had a rocky relationship. We have a fine
relationship now. But imagine me having real beef over my
with my parents because I won't go do a sh

(01:22:56):
a little detective show where I'm literally little detective and
I just want to stop acting, and they're like no,
because we need the R twenty percent. Get the fuck
out of here, Chris Janter. Actually it depends on which kid,
because if it's Rob then it's fine, but somebody else
it's gets your ass to work. So sorry, sorry, I

(01:23:17):
don't let should be talking about Kardashians. I haven't thought
about them in so fucking long, and it's because I'm
not on social media I'm supposed to. I guess I'm
technically out of my cocoon, but like it looks ghetto
out there, so I haven't. Every time I open an app,
everybody's screaming, so I just close it back up. So
I actually I have no idea what the Kardashians are doing.

(01:23:38):
I'll find out eventually. So what happens is the judge
has a private meeting with him in chambers and comes
out and lets his parents fucking have it. She like
he doesn't come close to needing a conservatorship. This is

(01:24:00):
basically she was like, get your fucking asses out of here,
you hose. She was so mad, She's like sneering, and
I'm glad she did that because Jesus Christ. So that
gets dismissed. But the three years of litigation with the
when he fils suit, they finally get a judgment saying
so this is nineteen ninety three, I guess they finally
get a judgment saying that his parents need to give

(01:24:22):
him back one point three million dollars because they've taken it.
And I want to be clear, they're not saying this
parents haven't taken, haven't done things that were immoral, and
that we're wrong. They're saying that legally, this is what
we can prove or this is what they could prove
to the judge, and judge built this is what we
can prove that they took and they should not. So

(01:24:46):
one point, and it's not even the twenty percent or something.
So again, when they showed me that pod graph on
the screen, I was like, that sounds like Inder Street
standard to be coolly honest, But okay, they're not talking
about that twenty percent. Okay, they're talking about like money
you stole and it is Mama still saying they don't

(01:25:08):
know they didn't get any money, so how can they
give it back? And basically they've been a strange from
then on. I mean the moment you tried to get
me locked up, and like Brittany would have been, we
would have never spoken again. Never. And I don't even
know what's going on with Britney right now, but I
know that every now and then she's she's on Instagram
talking about how she wanna how she wants to just
you know, she wants to just make amends, and then

(01:25:32):
later on she's like, no, I don't, which is fine,
but I don't think she ever make amends with none
of those motherfuckers. They should never be her presence again,
none of them. Okay, I wouldn't. I don't know. I
don't know if you're gonna steal my purse, bitch, I
don't know what you're gonna do. Ken't be captive anyway.
Let me stop talking about her. So I want to

(01:25:54):
talk about Gary Coleman's love life. We hear from two
exes on here. One is Shannon, his ex wife we
have a lot of time about, and one's another lady
whose name I don't know. I know she's a way
faced white girl, okay, which was I guess Gary's type.
But here's the thing. Gary didn't have sex. He was
a virgin until he died, apparently. And I don't know

(01:26:18):
if that means he's never done any sexual contact or
he means he's never done penetration. I don't fucking know.
I don't really need to know, but he's explained that
he just doesn't have a libido, which I'm not surprised by.
I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if he did have one,
but I'm not surprised when I think about the fact

(01:26:38):
that his motherfucker's walking around here with no kidneys and
he's on all this medicine. I'm assuming he's getting three
the dialysis three or four times a week. I don't know.
I don't know if I want to bust it open
with all that going on either, but he's just never
had it. But it is date and she said he
was very romantic. He loved the hold hands, kiss and snuggle.

(01:27:01):
I was all right, well, that's honestly the best part. So,
I mean, I do like the other stuff. But like
if somebody were to tell me, I just like getting railed.
I don't ever want anybody to snuggle me. I'd be like,
maybe should try to snuggle. But if someone goes I
don't have any penetration sex, they just snugle. I'm like, Okay,

(01:27:21):
that's fine. Honestly, I mean, I'm not saying you shouldn't,
you should never do it. You probably like it, but
honestly the snuglin's great. So also, so like they date
it and we see here a like premieres with him
and stuff. He always wanted to do like action adventure stuff.

(01:27:42):
He's only four to eight, and he always wanted to
do action. He wanted to be like a fill in.
He wanted to like roll and like pull out a
gun and stuff. And I thought, I was like, oh,
if Gary Coleman was allowed to say he'd be on Power,
he'd definitely be in the Tyler Perry movie and they
would let him be an action damn it. And really

(01:28:02):
the only acting work he was getting was riffs. That's
the only jobs he can really get was riffs off
of different strokes. He could do like they did a
they did a Fresh Prince of bel Air episode where
him and Conrad Vain are like, look at it, it's
cute and just little stuff like that. And he hated
saying that catchphrase. And but he just felt like if

(01:28:26):
it's sound as stupid coming from now, yeah, because you're
a grown ass man, I understand you're not Arnold. And
that's the thing he hated this. People always thought he
was Arnold and I and I do you know a
part of I know whenever actors or like celebrities say
stuff like that, were like, suck it up, Buttercup, if
you wanted to go be a farmer in Iowa. You
should have been, but you decided to be this. I

(01:28:48):
do and and I and to be honest, I'm not like,
I'm not saying that it's not that, but also I
do understand that every person that speaks to you that
wants you to do anything, he wants you to be arnold.
And you're not fucking arnold. It's hard. He was doing
like payday loan commercials for money and direct to vhs

(01:29:11):
like movies, and then he got a security officer job
at a mall and he always wanted to be a cop,
so it was kind of his dream. And I don't
know why, but I kind of teared up at that
because I was like, I do know why. I love
when people get to do the thing that they really
want to do, as long as not hurting other people.
But when somebody's like gets to do something that they

(01:29:34):
always thought was so unattainable, I don't know. I was like, Oh, good,
you got to do it. But they say he was
in going to a store to buy like in the mall,
going to the store to buy a bulletproof vest. When
this when the incident happened, I'm like okay, they liked

(01:29:56):
he started being a security card. What's going on? Asked
him for an autograph and she signed it. This is
according to a witness, he signed it. It's part of
being Gary Coleman. That's what you gotta do. And the
lady was like, this is for my son, could you
add more to it? And Gary apparently felt like he already.

(01:30:21):
I don't even know if she said like this this
is for my son, could you add a little more,
you know, like me and Chipotle, like, could you put
a little more on there? Like trying to make eyes
at the person. But I don't know if she said
that way, if she said, damn, can you put a
little more on here? I don't know. I don't know
which one it was. But Gary tears the picture in
half and goes what for and says something like that,

(01:30:42):
and the lady like he already he already didn't like
being Arnold, and this person is like coming up to
him in his space and wants to be and like
wants him to like not even when I say performer,
I don't mean literally for but I mean, like, do

(01:31:03):
an act do something that is linked to me being Arnold? Right?
But he does it because I guess he gets messed
with a lot about it. And then when she's not,
when she's just like put some more on there at
at a poem or whatever, he's like, He's like, no,

(01:31:26):
fuck you, bitch, I'm not doing it. So then she
I don't even know if said fuck you, but he
but he ripped it up. And then she goes and
that's why you didn't make it as as an adult actor.
I don't know. I just put a little sauce on that,
but that's basically what she said. And then Gary Coleman,
all four foot eight of hm, pushed her in her
fucking face and uh, yeah, you can't do that. He

(01:31:50):
can't do that, And I mean it was he was.
He was like a laughing stock from this, like he
had to go to court. We saw a bit with
Dave Chappelle. Dave Chappelle, it's just like on his knees
in a cop uniform pretending to be Gary Coleman. Like
here's the thing about the Chappelle Show, Like Dave Chappelle
is whatever. But the Chappelle Show often felt like some

(01:32:13):
people just got a hold of to like some like
a costume box and just was like what is gonna
make us all laugh the fucking hardest. It really like
when he's doing Rick James and shit like that, Like
it really felt I don't know, it was just so
fucking funny, guys. It was so funny. It's like your

(01:32:35):
funniest night with all your cousins in hanging out in
your room. You guys are making each other laugh so
hard your stomach's hurt. Like it's I don't. It just
felt like that. But anyway, I was like, damn, Dave Chappelle.
You know, I've been seeing a lot of references. This
is references to things that I'm like, there's gonna be

(01:32:56):
a time where people don't know what the Dave Chappelle
show was. They don't even get it. We're gonna get
a documentary on the Dave Chappelle shows. People don't know
what it is. I was watching The Wedding Planner because
I'm Me and Bunny are gonna watch all Jennifer Lopez's
romantic comedies because I need her to see Jennifer Lopez
doing something she's good at. Oh, something shady. I didn't

(01:33:18):
mean it, j Lo. He's taking some hits. He believed
that wasn't twenty twenty four. That was like literally last
year that she did that. I'm so sorry she did that.
That that weird ass the documentary and then the weird

(01:33:41):
ass like musical video. I'm sorry. I will say this
is I've always said this about Jaylaen. You know I
might be you know, I'm gonna be a j little fan.
I'm decided to be a j little fan because this
woman is alert. Is is unembarrassable, unembarrassable, and you know

(01:34:02):
what that I got whatever Jeene that you have for embarrassment,
Jenny didn't get none of it, and I got seventeen
of them because Jennifer, I've been embarrassed for you a lot.
But okay, anyway, I'm like, we're gonna watch all of
j Loo's romantic comedies because I want you to see
her doing something that she's actually good at and maybe
she should go back to doing. And well, I'm gonna

(01:34:24):
take that back because the last one was Marry Me,
and it was the one with Owen Wilson looking like
Ellen and no chemistry at all. But okay, The Weddings,
The Wedding Singer, The Wedding Planner is an excellent movie.
So I'm we're watching it, and Jenny goes home from
her from her being a perfect wedding planner and has

(01:34:45):
a perfect little salad and she's sitting on the couch
and she's like eating the salad and she's watching Antiques
Road Show. Do you guys remember when we had like
a couple of shows where people would show what they
junk from their moment attic and be like how much
can I get for that? And every episode was like nothing, nothing, Actually,

(01:35:06):
this was made in China last year. And then one
person will be like, this is worth a billion dollars.
I know, I know it's been your mother's been using
it as like an expandage for thirty years, but this
is worth a billion dollars. Congratulations, Like do you remember?
I mean, I didn't even watch the show, but it
was like such a moment in pop history, pop culture.

(01:35:27):
We will in just a few short years you will
say the Antiques Road Show and people be like, what
the fuck are you talking about? Like not just children
or not just young people, but like people in their
thirties and forties will be like, I don't know what
that is, because they won't I don't know what I

(01:35:50):
was thinking about it was like, they won't know. They'll
only know j Lo from that fucking documentary and that
and that eighty five minute long music video. They will
not know this bitch used to hit them out of
the park with a maid in Manhattan. They won't know.

(01:36:11):
They won't know anyway, So he got assault charges and
the case is husued. He was everyone's laughing and I'm
Jame Chappelle did a skit. He ended up getting ninety
day suspended. He cried in the courtroom. He was depressed
and he felt hopeless. It was a really it was

(01:36:31):
a really hard time for him. In two thousand and five,
he gets a movie called church Ball. I don't know
what that is. Whatever church Ball was doing out in
these streets, it went past me. So they filled it
in Utah, and so he goes up to Utah to
filming and he really likes it. He likes he liked

(01:36:54):
that he was just gear out there and not Gary Coleman, right,
So they're just like, oh, it's Gary. And he wanted
to move out there. And he had a girlfriend at
the time, the way faced girl that I don't I
don't care to remember her name, and she was like, okay, cool,
let's move out there. He's like, is that okay? Can
we do this together? And she was like yeah, and

(01:37:15):
she packs up their little apartment and moves them and
gets there. When she gets there, he comes out of
house and there's a woman with him and it's Shannon,
and Shannon is important. That's why I remember her name. Also,
she's got kind of like a reddish hair, and I
was like, oh, of course, your name is Shannon. And
she kind of tall. I grew up with like a tall,
redheaded Shannon. Shannon's nineteen. Okay, it's two thousand and five.

(01:37:41):
Please don't make me do the math to figure out
how fucking Gary Coleman is probably in his forties, I guess.
I don't know, But nineteen year old Shannon comes walking
out behind her and he's She's like, well, who the
fuck is that? Shannon says that the way face girl,
the wayface woman was cold towards her, and I was like, yeah,

(01:38:02):
because why'd you come walking out of that house with
her man like that? I mean, if I just driven
four days from fucking La to Utah to move with
my man and you came out, we have a problem.
I wouldn't be cold to you, I'd be hot to you.
I'd be hot rating your fucking face. Bitch. Sorry, I

(01:38:23):
want to explain why I would act like that, but
you know, you know why to act like that. Anyway,
They had an open relationship. Mm hmmm, open relationship. I
don't know if open relationship is what they'd say. Remember
Gary didn't have sex, so I have a feeling that
they Yeah, they were allowed to explore things. And she

(01:38:44):
so the wayface girl ends up going back to not La,
but wherever they lived in con when was La and
she because she was like, I'll let you explore this.
And that's the last time they were together. So I
wanna go back to the beginning of the documentary. And
the beginning of the documentary, we hear a nine one
one call. It's his widow mm, their exes they divorced

(01:39:08):
before he died, talking about his death, and we hear
a nine one call. She definitely sounds unusual. Now I'm
not saying because someone doesn't sound the way you want
them to an un nine one one call that they've
done something wrong, but I am saying it is. She
sounds very weird on this call, So we've Shannon says

(01:39:29):
she met him on the set of that church Ball
movie and that she was outside. She was just kind
of peeping and like Shannon, She's like, I just wanted
to see what they were doing on see they need
some extra if like, so you were like outside the production,
just kind of like trying to sneak your ass in there. Okay,
but Gary Selzer, you're too pretty to be here, go

(01:39:50):
on home. She was not too pretty to be there.
I don't want to talk about Shannon's looks. I mean,
I don't know. I talked about everybody. I literally called
this other woman I refused to know her name. I
called her away faced girl. But that that woman looked normal.
She was just she just look like like she got

(01:40:11):
away face. That's that's it. Shan. I don't want to
talk about her looks, and I just want to leave
it at that. Yeah, you know what, I'll talk about
her looks. Let me tell you what she looks like, y'all.
Y'all can watch American Dad. American Dad is the best
out of all of SETH McFarland's uh uh shows Okay

(01:40:36):
is very funny. You know, they got that that Roger
character something. This is gonna go right over a lot
of y'all's head. But for those who get it, are
gonna get it. You know how they got that alien
Roger who's always dressing up as different people, has all
these schemes and stuff, like he'll literally be in a
scheme where he's being conned by himself and another outfit.
Like basically, Roger is Andy Dick. Okay, he's Andy Dick.

(01:40:59):
In fact, the even episode where Andy where Andy Dick
came to live with him and like was too much
for Roger. He's Andy Dick. Okay, Shannon looks like Roger
dressed up in one of his lady costumes. That's what
he's and that's it. That's all I'm gonna say. That

(01:41:20):
look like a wig that came out of Roger's wig.
Crypt That's what that looked like. And she looked like
she here to be weird. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Eighty
percent of people listeners do not know what the fuck
up talking. But the ones that got it, they had
an image in their head, are like, damn this' as

(01:41:40):
you nailed it. Oh my god. Pause, Okay, I'm back. Now.
My husband, who is married to a woman who's sitting
in the closet talking to a microphone about a cartoon

(01:42:02):
character that looks like a woman on a documentary, an
unfortunate looking woman on a documentary. She's brought me a
sandwich and that really sobered me up a little bit.
Here it's time to wrap this ship up. So basically
Gary started with her and was like, you know, if sorry,

(01:42:26):
I just remember that I said she He said she
was too pretty to be there, and I was like, no,
she was not too free to be there. No, she
was not too pretty to be anywhere. But she He
flirted with her and was like going in and if
they say anything about it, telling Gary Coleman sent you,
She says, she's never seen different strokes. Of course, now

(01:42:48):
you're nineteen years old, where would you have seen different
strokes at where? When? When you were when you accidentally
fell into a black hole and went back in time?
But when would you have seen different strokes when? And
even now, like we don't even have reruns the way
we used to, Like people get into old shows, but

(01:43:10):
you get into it on Netflix and bing it. It's
not like there's nothing to watch or or you're not
actively watching TV, so you just letting it run and
like this is how I watched the Facts of Life.
I've never sat down and watched the Facts of Life
or different Strokes. It just was on a TV somewhere

(01:43:31):
and it doesn't happen more with streaming and everything. So
why why? She would never know, but you know, they
hung out. He brought her olive garden cake out and
she's like, I thought that was so sweet, and I
was thinking, yeah, he could have gotten with all the
I mean, did he bring the bread, was it warm?
Did he bring an extra remican of salad dressing so

(01:43:53):
I could dip my warm breadstick in it? I mean,
what did he order? Because it matters? I'm just asking.
So he told her his life story. She had never
seen different shows. Like I said, he he talked about
his parents fucking him over and they started dating. Gary

(01:44:16):
Coleman really made her life. He took her to Disney.
She said. It was like, I don't know, he took
it to Disney once and you're like, that's my life.
He bought her gifts. But she explains that she lost
her mother young and she always felt like she needed someone.
She always felt like that hole in herself and like
Gary really felt that for her. Other people said that

(01:44:39):
he was deeply in love with her. They got married
in two thousand and seven. Me too, Shannon, and they
had a reality TV plot in two thousand and eight.
Pilot in two thousand and eight didn't go. Was he ever
in the Surreal Life? I don't. I feel like when
was he? He should have been, he had to be.

(01:45:01):
There are several people in this stock that knew Gary
Coleman when when he lived in Utah and was not
very famous and he was married to Shannon, and they
said that Gary Coleman said all the time that Shannon
just wanted money. Uh, there's another unfortunate looking woman. What
was this woman? Like? You know, she like Jesus princess,
You're going to hell. You know, Like in like the

(01:45:22):
seventh grade, there's always somebody who's like really good at drawing,
like in your class, and you're all like, he's gonna
be an artist when he grows up. He's gonna like,
you know, make a lot of money drawing things. And
no he's not. He's gonna like work it insurance, but
it'll draw a little bit on the side sometimes, like
on napkins and things. But in the fifth grade or
sixth grade, You're like, yeah, he's he's this is a

(01:45:43):
Risen artists and he always draws like creepy ladies and
their forehead the space between their forehead and their brows
is like too much. Like he can't get the abortions down.
It's like a lot. It's like it's like a lot
happening the forehead and the brows. That's what that this

(01:46:03):
other lady looked like. But she was friends with both
of them. And she says that Shannon would sell autographed
pictures of Gary Coleman online. And I want to know
to hoops to hoofs did she tell these things too?
To hooves? Who? Who? Who is on Facebook? And parkt
Place or even hay or anywhere or offer up or

(01:46:25):
wherever going? Is that an autographic picture of Gary Coleen? Who? Who?
This my little hour here? Who is doing that? What
she said? Over a dollar? What would she do? I
need more information? But she would get these stacks of
these headshots of him as a child, as Arnold is

(01:46:48):
a child, and he would have to sign them and
then she would sell them online. And she said one
of the first times she saw Shannon screaming and like
going off on Gary's because she couldn't find the pictures
and she needed some money. I was like, what this
is not a business plan? Who is buying this? Not
a market for this? Is there a market for autographs

(01:47:12):
at all? Maybe like special like objects that are also autograph,
but not just like a picture? Is there? Do people
still do that? According to all these wonderful white people
in Utah who got to know Gary, his lawyer, his
theatrical agent, various things they fought all the time. They
would scream at each other, say very dominian things to

(01:47:34):
each other. She would say things about his size. She
would call him a failure. They fought all the time
about money. She wanted him to go get money all
the time. Shannon says it's not true, but there are
so many people in his life that said she that
he was trying to get away from her, right Like
it's like the lawyer says. Multiple times, Gary would be like,

(01:47:58):
I need to follow a straining order her. I need
to follow her training order on her. And what would
happen is he drawed up and then the next day
Gary comb been like, Oh, it's gonna be okay, don't
file it, don't file. I'm gonna try to figure something
else out they were physically violent with each other, and
at some point they got divorced, but they were still
living as roommates. But like I said, they're physically violing

(01:48:22):
each other. Gary Coleman was arrested at least once for
Shannon says that they beat each other and people people
hit each other. That's just what it is. And if
we're if we deny it, we're liars. Shannon, I do
not hit my husband. Now. I'm not gonna sit here
and pretend like I have not been in physical altercations
with past partners. When I was doing that, I was unhealed,

(01:48:43):
or at least less healed than I am right now.
I was fucked up, and so were they. And the
situation was fucked up. And it was a bad relationship.
And I was a bad person and the person that
was hitting me was a bad person too. And this
is not a this is not a healthy and normal
part of relationship in which the two of you just

(01:49:05):
start playing celebrity death match together. No no, no, no, no no.
And like, something was wrong, Something was wrong with me
when I was in those situations. Something was wrong with
me when I felt the need to be physically uh, don't.
I don't even want to say violent. But even though
even if we were like pushing each other and shit

(01:49:27):
like that, something was wrong with me when I was
engaging in that, and something was wrong with you and
Gary Shannon, that's not funny. So in twenty ten, Gary
has just gotten home from after dialysis. He wasn't feeling good,
because you don't feel good after diaalasis. They literally just

(01:49:48):
stole all your blood, put a little mister clean in it,
and put it right back in your body. So you
don't feel good. You feel exhausted. She's says that she
wasn't feeling great either. She had an inner ear problem
and she was laying down. And so when Gary Beck
got back from dalass you know, with all his blood

(01:50:09):
and like a little lunchbacks next to him, that he
was myself. I just be saying shit, what y'all listen this,
I just be saying shit. Gary just got back. He's
exhausted from his from his medical procedure. He has to
go to several times a week because he has zero kidneys.

(01:50:32):
And she's like, I'm tired too, and I have an
inter aar problem. Can you make some pizza rolls and
she and he was like yeah, And everyone that hears
the story is like, that's so weird that he was
making her dinner after dialysis, Like, yeah, that is a
little weird. She says she had a big boom and

(01:50:54):
she called him and she didn't hear me, so she
got out of bed and she went downstairs and saw him.
And on the nine one one call, she's very much
y'all come quick because this motherfucker is about to die.
There's so much blood. I can't be around that. I'm
gonna have a seize er if I get stressed out.
She refuses to give aid on the call, and she
says it's because she can't. She says she's been sick

(01:51:16):
and she doesn't want to be traumatized right now. Like
at some point, the not one call, the NAL one
call is a fucking doozy. At some point they're asking
her and she's like, I'm not in there anymore. I
can't be traumatized. The nine one one on operator wants
her to put pressure on the back of his head.
She's like, no, it's too bloody. He's like moving and
she's like, don't move, don't move here, put pressure on

(01:51:36):
the back of your head, like, I don't know. It
didn't sound again. I we gotta get better about like
not judging people reacting the way you want to. But
this sounds bad. I don't know how to make it
sound good. This doesn't sound good, Shannon. This sounds like
you could give a fuck. And maybe you could because
you guys are broken up. You guys had a volta relationship.

(01:51:58):
He tried to put over sharing or you several times,
even though you tell the documentary that you only got
a little piece of paper saying stay away from him,
but it was never served to you. I don't know
he wants you to stay away from him, Shannon, But fine, whatever.
And I maybe you didn't give a fuck if he died.
But you can't be like, oh, we were still great friends.
I'm still in love with him. We were just like
two best friends. We just weren't gonna be married. And also, oh,

(01:52:21):
I can't look at it. He's just gonna be dead,
Like you can't both those things can't be happy at
the same time. Were you high, were you were this something?
Were you pilled out? Were you was something going on
where you were kind of detached? What was going on?
Like there's there's more explanation here. The ambulance comes and
takes him away. She doesn't go. She doesn't feel well.

(01:52:43):
She pulls down the garage door and goes back and
goes back in the house and goes back to sleep.
I don't know that it doesn't look good. Sheh hana,
baby doesn't look good. She thought he she said, she
thought he was gonna go to the hospital, gets stitch
up and come back. So she went back upstairs and
went to sleep. She had like too much anxiety, and
she was sad she couldn't be in the hospital. She

(01:53:04):
calls him at the hospital later and she asked when
he's coming home. He says he has a headache, he's
gonna take a nap, and that's the last time she
speaks to him because the next day he's had really
bad brain bleeding, and while they were trying to take
him to do dialysis cause again he needs his dialysis
to live, he went into cardiac arrest. So you know,
a couple of days later, Shannon moses up him to

(01:53:25):
the hospital. She goes to see him. He's on a ventilator.
The doctors tell her tell her he's not gonna make it.
His head was full of blood and there was any
brain activity, so she took him off the ventilator. During
this time, she's calling people being like he's done, dude,
he's done. I don't know, Like he's calling Dion and

(01:53:47):
de Well, No, she's not calling anybody. Maybe she called
the the the agent he had in Utah, but everybody
else is trying to get in contact with her, and
she's just like real short and just like, I don't know, dude,
he's done. And his parents saw it on TV. They've
not spoken to Gary forever, and they called to have

(01:54:08):
Shannon call him, but she never did. And Shannon, this
is something I'll fault Shannon with. Why would she call them?
Like she's been married since you know this dude for
a couple of years and his parents are not apart,
Why would you call them? I wouldn't call them. She
never even met them. Like that's but here's the thing.

(01:54:36):
She took a fucking selfie with him when she said
her goodbyes before they took the villain her off, and
she sold it. They showed it to us on on
the documentary, but they blurred out Gary, but I mean
you still seal Gary looks horrible and he looks dead.

(01:54:57):
He looks dead. And I mean, guys, we live in
a digital world now, we live in a world full
of social media. We live in a world full of
fucking AI. No matter how bad it is, you're just
gonna have to accept it. And I'm not gonna sit
here and pretend like someone taking a selfie with someone
in the hospital that they're saying goodbye to is like

(01:55:19):
unheard of. Right, it's not unheard of. But what it
is is the fact that they got sold. And she's
young too, right, The fact that they got sold is
the problem. Also, Gary had an advanced care directive directive

(01:55:43):
saying he wanted at least two weeks of care, and
that was really interesting to me. I didn't know you
could say how many weeks of care you want it.
So I told this story before, but I don't know.
We're wrapping up, I'll tell it again. I don't know.
One night this will for head kids, Me and mister Curtis.
I couldn't really sleep, so I just want to talk
to mister curs And he had to go to work

(01:56:04):
in the morning. He needed to sleep, but I was like,
let's talk, let's talk, let's talk, and He's like, Okay,
for instance, what do we want to talk about re
laying in bed? TV's off. I was just in the dark,
and I was like, you know what, I'm gonna get
some questions from the Big Book of Questions or something
like that, something like deep questions you're supposed to ask
each other or whatever. So I'm asking. And the first
question I ask is like, if you are in a

(01:56:25):
coma and like not responsive and you need like a ventilator,
you need to do you need machines to live? Do
you want us to pull the plug or do you
wanna live? And mister Kurtiz was like pull the plug.
Pull the plug. Like I'm not there, pull the plug.
I was like, all right, cool, that's interesting. I don't
want you to pull the plug because I don't know

(01:56:47):
anything about other consciousness or the afterlife or anything. And
I'd be having like the best time ever in this
coma and I just want to, you know, and then
maybe they'll figure out something get me out of the home.
So just keep me on there as long as possible.
And mister Curtis was like no, But I was like,

(01:57:08):
what is no princess? Let me get this straight. You
want me you're not gonna be working, okay, and you
want the and the electricity bill is gonna be three
thousand times as much as it is right now because
you're on a ventilator and you want me to pay
all the bills. Is that what you're saying? And I
was like no, and he goes. He goes, Princess, Princess,

(01:57:31):
if you're alive, I'll do anything for you. I'll work
three four fucking jobs. I'll give you my kid. I
don't care. I'll give you anything. But if you're dad,
you're a fucking dad. It's done. If you see a
white light, you go to the white light. Don't come back.
You go, don't don't bankrupt me. I try to stake.
If you are halfway between, it was gone. He's like,

(01:57:53):
go into the white light. Go right now. He's like,
it's done, it's done. He's like, you always try to
do extra shit. If God Jesus called, you won't go
with him go And I was like, geez, Jesus, are
you okay? He's like pursus. He was so fucking set.

(01:58:17):
He was like spink. He was so fucking mad. I
was like, you know, he said, I'm pulling the plug.
I don't give a fuck. I'm pulling the plug. You
don't get to hold me. And I was like, I'm
gonna make my mom make a living well and make
my mom the paren He said, well, you better. She
might be paying them bills too, because it's not fair.
You're dead, it's not fair for you. He was just old.

(01:58:40):
He was so fucking mad. He was so mad. He
was still talking about the next day. He's like, that's
just selfish. Go into the light. Go now. That said,
I'm not going into the light. And if I do
go into light, I'm gonna haunt him. So so I'm
just letting you know anyway. But I didn't know you

(01:59:03):
could do like two weeks of I didn't know you
could put in your living willer. I didn't know you
could put down that. Hey, I want this amount of
time to try. And I think that's that's a good.
It's a good. That's a good compromise between being like, no,

(01:59:25):
take me off the machines right away, or saying, let's
give me a couple of weeks and then if things
aren't looking better, go ahead and take me off the machines.
I think that's reasonable. And everyone's really upset because he
was only in a VENTI later two days even dian
was like, you didn't want to give him a little
you didn't wanna. She didn't want to give him a
little time. You didn't wanna. You didn't wanna, you know,

(01:59:47):
consult a couple of people, or you just want to
walk there and was like and then yank this shit
out the wall, and Dianne, I love a little shady
I love a little shady cut, thank you. But she's right,
Like Dian's right, like we're all it's interesting. But Shannon says,
also in his advanced directive, said that if two or
more doctors say that his condition will not improve, then

(02:00:10):
go ahead and pull it. And Shannon says that, like
there are a bunch of doctors and they were all like,
it's not going to improve. Okay. I mean maybe she's like,
mister Criston was pulling the plug on me. So I
don't know. So the pulling the plug is not the
thing that I'm like concerned about. The thing is is
that it seemed like she was listen. The online theory

(02:00:31):
is that Shannon pushed Gary down some stairs. He was
only four to eight. The she says she found him
in the kitchen, so he fell in the kitchen, but
there's also a question where they fell on the stairs,
if he fell in the kitchen. The wound he had
was like a little wild for falling in the kitchen,

(02:00:52):
and did he hit his head on a counter, Like
there's a lot of questions and the way she was
acting when the dude and I won't call and everything
after was really like it was really I don't know, suspicious,
but it's been like there's no investigation or anything open.
It's just a sad end to Gary Coleman and I

(02:01:14):
and I did see that someone that posted that the
documentary like left out a lot of stuff about Gary,
like about who he was as a person, about how
like he loved trains. Loving trains is the same as
loving dollhouses, Like that's it's the boy way to love
a doll house, in my opinion, And that he had

(02:01:37):
like a huge train collection and he was supposed to
donate it on his death, like that's what he wanted,
but Shannon like sold it for eleven thousand dollars. I'm
assuming Shannon needs money. I don't know. I it's people

(02:01:58):
talk about his life and all these different things, and
they had a funeral, and the wayfaced woman that was
dating him before Shannon was like he did not want
a funeral. He always talked about how he just wanted
to like he just wanted to be left alone, and
because the people celebrating will be celebrating Arnold, and he

(02:02:20):
just wanted to be Gary and he just wanted like
I don't know, I know I laughed a lot throughout
this shit, but I do feel like he is a
He's a sad figure, you know. He is like the
fact that he just had like this big, big personality
and he got into acting as a child, and while

(02:02:42):
it was fun and he had a good time, he
did it and when it wasn't, he wanted to stop
and and he had to fight to do that. And
his parents, who they love him and they were supposed
to love him, and they and maybe they did love him,
but they didn't treat him lovingly, not like not this.

(02:03:05):
I'm still fucking hot about that fucking pinchion plan still hot,
Like and like here he is like living off of
signed autographs and and bit parts and shit, and like
he could have went to college. And I'm not saying
college is is like the is the magic bullet or whatever.
But I'm saying, like, what kind of life could he accept?

(02:03:26):
I mean, he could have he could have fucked up
his life. He could have he could have died, he
could have owed deed or whatever. I actually don't think
Gary Cohen was ever really in the drugs, and that's interesting.
No one talks about drugs in this except for that
b rol footage of with some pills. But like he
could have it. I guess I'm trying to say is

(02:03:46):
that it was his life to fuck up if that's
what he was gonna do, and no one was giving him,
no one was allowing him to move on, you know,
and then he's gotta go into a three year fucking
lawsuit with his goddamn parents in which they try to
get him declared and competent. Yeah, Like it was really sad,

(02:04:08):
but I called him as Utah white people. But there
are lots of people on this that literally loved Gary,
that fell in love with him and that, and that
really appreciating him and that we're a big part of
his life. And that's beautiful, right, But I still found

(02:04:28):
it to be very sad, and I feel and I
and I wish I don't know. I don't know what
I wish. I just do. I think Shannon killed him.
I don't know something going on in that house. I
don't know if she killed him, but she didn't help him.
That's what I know. She didn't help him. Everybody was like,
who is sitting there saying stuff like this when someone

(02:04:49):
they supposedly really care about has fallen. I don't love
bloods and blood and guts myself, but I don't know.
I try, I try, and I get in and I
go to the hospital. I'd be there with him. I
can name three people I hate right now that I
go to the hospital with. So I don't know. Yeah,

(02:05:12):
I mean, it's a sad inning for something on which
I had the pause because I was laughing too hard
to myself. But I honestly don't even remember what the
fuck I was talking about. I don't remember what was
I talking about. I was talking about the kidneys. No,
I don't remember what I was talking about. But look,
I'm laughing again because I'm like, I don't know what
it was, but it made me laugh really hard. Anyway.
I hope you guys enjoyed today's bonus episode, and I

(02:05:34):
will see you on the main feed on Sunday. Later

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