November 27, 2022 • 61 mins
Shane Schulz is a Motivational Speaker, Health Advocate, and the Founder of the Speaking to the Heart Podcast? ?Network.
Through his struggles of depression, ptsd, chronic nerve pain and suicidality Shane has made it his purpose, to help others who are more like him than different be more than the challenges they face
In 2015 Shane took his purpose to the podcast world where he has built the leading health awareness podcast network featuring the patients voice Airing multiple shows weekly the Speaking to the Heart podcast network is designed to help its audience to reach outside of what their challenges are whether they be pain, illness or spiritually related so that they can learn to be who they are meant to be instead of how they may feel like or may merely exist to be!
It’s Entertainment, Education and Empowerment all in one! So no matter the platform Shane Schulz’s message will speak to your heart and empower you to take charge of your health and the wealth of what is possible!
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/can-a-playa-play--3433224/support.
Through his struggles of depression, ptsd, chronic nerve pain and suicidality Shane has made it his purpose, to help others who are more like him than different be more than the challenges they face
In 2015 Shane took his purpose to the podcast world where he has built the leading health awareness podcast network featuring the patients voice Airing multiple shows weekly the Speaking to the Heart podcast network is designed to help its audience to reach outside of what their challenges are whether they be pain, illness or spiritually related so that they can learn to be who they are meant to be instead of how they may feel like or may merely exist to be!
It’s Entertainment, Education and Empowerment all in one! So no matter the platform Shane Schulz’s message will speak to your heart and empower you to take charge of your health and the wealth of what is possible!
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/can-a-playa-play--3433224/support.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Yeah, yeah, old school, that's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Listening.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
This ain't for everybody. Some of y'all need to hear it.
I know you're in the trenches fighting, but check it out.
I'm gonna put it down like this. Why I can
give him things. Understand everything you're going through. It's all
part of the master plant or what. Just cause you
got saved, everything was gonna be pictures of Queen. You
better wake up, son, don't nothing come to a super
foot upright? Trust work is there reach the fire. But
(00:25):
you know what it said. He's who don't work, don't factors,
don't get said. Yeah, he's just said.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
He hoops his.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Hands to the pot, looks back to straight makes fit.
So y'all ain't been in the pitcher's five minutes and
you're not ready to quen.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I ain't mad. I'm just hitting you with the wheel.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
If you got for me, I was chill.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Now how you think that made you feel?
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Check this out?
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Deep gas. This here's ze Hue. Some of y'all as
saw or nothing. But your sun is trying to read something.
But I said he was there for the position parsed
by his claw. Trumple might be part of your testimony,
but it ain't been into the soap. Now I'm put
to such as proper side way back in the day.
Why I sing the look right here and see if
the church.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Get late king out n out working up. We can't lak.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Y can, yes he can.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Thinking not slaying the fiery problem of just tried you?
You say, why you what shut shake? What would Jesus do?
Why you're asking if you ain't trying to do what
he's saying. He told you he was gonna have tipulations,
but you thought he was playing one minute. You tell
her how good guy? There can't nobody be the talk
the next village of back fight, so fasten like your
moon walking. Oh yeah, I'm fitted to myself because I
ain't no better. It ain't like I've been falling at
(01:41):
every word a maying into the letter. But we told
us we gotta remember that. We say, yo, yeah, found down,
confessor say humble, let him annoy. It ain't eas as
I thought it was. I didn't lining if I told you,
but it showed up betting better all the time. Tuck,
that's ain't if we going through the kb heap. God
put that on this top, like they say, you can
shout out and walk to over the book. So why
(02:01):
you going through They don't even show. It's gonna be
on talk quay. We're blocking gifts.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
And wee can bake, well start to work it up.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Well, yeah, we're gonna stop it right there and say welcome. Everybody.
Just had to give a minute the big boy upstairs
because it's my belief and hope it is yours. Also
that somebody up there, you know, the most high it
gonna help us work this thing out we call life,
(02:43):
you know, because it's a lot, a lot, a lot
of stuff going on out there right about now, you know.
So with that being said, welcome to kind of play
and play. This is your host, Lamar Patterson. Alright it
then we made it another day. Anyway, We got a
fantastic show lined up for today. We have mister Shane
(03:05):
Schultz is gonna be joining us briefly, and we're gonna
be talking about this thing called life from suffering to success.
And I know everybody, everybody know what that's about, you know,
because we've all been through something some kind of way
and continue to go through some things. And I guess
the only difference is, you know, everybody deals with different
(03:28):
situations differently. So let's see as I guess with us,
mister Schultz, are you with us?
Speaker 3 (03:37):
I am here, Lamana. It's great to be here.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Oh, thank you, thank you so much for taking time
out to join us.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Oh, it's a pleasure, really is a pleasure. Always has
the opportunity in order to be able to speak with
you know, an accomplished host like yourself. You know, it's
a pleasure of mine as well.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Oh, thank you, thank you, And I'm working hard to
be all that I can be. Mister Shels, give me
one second. Let me introduce you. Today we have mister
Shane Schultz, who's a motivational speaker, health advocate, and the
founder of Speaking to the Hard podcast network. Through his
struggles the depression, PTSD, CHROWNIC, nerve pain and suicidal suicidal dality.
(04:22):
That's thanks suicidealdality. I got that one, Shane has made
it his purpose to help others who are more like
him than different, more than the challenges that he faced.
In twenty fifteen, Shane took his purpose to the podcast world,
where he's built the leading health awareness podcast network featuring
the patient's voice. Mister Seltz, thank you so much. For
(04:44):
joining us, and I know you have a wealth of
wealth of information to share with our listeners today.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Well, I hope so. I know that you have plenty
of good hosts that are that are there and co
hosts that have been with you everything, And I've listened
to quite a few a few of your shows there
and and so I hope that I can match up.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Oh man, you actually made it through them. Huh.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Well, the procrastination one had my had my attention. Let's
put it that way.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Oh man, listen, I have to listen to that one
over and over and over again. I wish more people
in the world would listen to that one.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Amen, Yes, sir.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Well Shane, Well, let's start off, Well, who is Shane's shuls?
That's the first one.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Well, you know, it seems like every host you know
ends up asking their visitor or their guest, you know,
who is this person? You know, why are you here?
What are you about? And you know, a lot of
people would look at it as being really kind of
arbitrary and oh, it's his name and everything like that,
(05:57):
but it really is a complex question because there's a
whole lot that's involved in our name and who it
is that we are. And first of all, my name
is Shane Schultz. You know, I was born and raised
in New York in a small town. I was born
in Troy, and I was raised in an outskirt town
called Abra Park out out in that way, I had
(06:21):
two loving parents, Laurie and Ken. I also had my
biological father, of which you know he had left by
the age of four. I have had the opportunity in
order to be own businesses. I've had the opportunity in
order to be able to you know, make a difference
(06:41):
in the world in a number of different ways. I've
also dealt with clinical depression, and I've dealt with suicidality,
and I've dealt with a lot of different struggles and
challenges in my life as to where I lived in
sixteen states in this country, and you know, in that experience,
I now utilize that experience as well as those you know,
(07:03):
events that have happened in my life in order to
be able to help others be more than the challenges
that they face.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Yes, sir, well, let's start off with the suicide of
suicide thing. I see you're talking about eight years old.
What would trigger something like that? What kind of thought would.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Go into that, some really, really honestly some dreadful ones.
You know, at age eight, a lot of people would say,
my god, what the world would you be so depressed
about as to where you would be thinking about taking
your own life at eight years old. And it's not
like you really think about it. It's that you actually
(07:47):
just kind of are in the event of it. And
let me explain. I was at my grandfather's house, my
grandmother and my grandfather's house. I was sleeping over and
I happened to be sleeping in my uncle's old room, right,
and so he was like a hero to me. My
uncle Donnie was like a hero to me, like a
big brother. So I wanted to know, you know, what
(08:10):
did uncle Donnie, you know, have around in his room
and everything. So I, you know, was snooping around and everything.
And I opened up a drawer and lo and behold,
there's a revolver. And you know the revolvers about, you know,
a forty four forty five. At the time, I really
didn't know I think it was I think it ended
up being told to me that it was a forty five.
(08:33):
And I took that revolver out of the drawer, and
I pointed it at my chest and I and I said,
you know, all I have to do is pull this
trigger and it's finally over. And a lot of people
would say, are you kidding me? You're at eight years old.
I mean, why in the world would you be doing that?
And all I can tell you, is Lamont is that no.
(08:54):
I hated my looks, I hated my voice, and I
really hated the way that I thought and felt. It
just so happens that I now make a living off
of my voice, my looks, and the way that I
think and feel. So you know, but the bottom line
is is that I had that revolver pointing at my
chest and as you know, at eight years old, your
fingers aren't all that big in order to be able
(09:15):
to handle something like that. So it was kind of
shaken and everything like that. And I literally said that,
and then all of a sudden, there was a voice
came from downstairs, and it was my grandfather's voice, and
it said, come on down for ice cream sodas, And
you know, it was a way of you know, the
higher power kind of saying, hey, look, you know you
(09:35):
have a choice. You can, you know, take yourself off
this Earth, or you can go get some ice cream
sodas with your grandfather. And I made that choice. I
made that choice to go get some ice cream sodas
with my grandfather. Now, he had no idea what was
going on, right, He had no idea that there was
any type of danger like that at all going on upstairs,
(09:57):
but you know he was. He really did make a
difference in my life that day.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Okay, well, question number two eight years old. I'm trying
to think of what I was doing eight years old.
I think I was riding the scooters and pairing up
roller skates.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
And I did that all too. You know, I did
all that. I jumped, I jumped bikes. You know, I
had a dirt bike, and I had a motorbike, you know,
a little moped and everything like that. I did that.
You know. I was a fan of Evil Knievel and
Steve Austin, and I played baseball. I did a whole
(10:38):
lot of different things. The problem is is that it's
really not what it is that we do. It really
is what is the situation, And the situation is is
that I was dealing with a mental health challenge even
at that young age. And we'll go a little bit
fer when I was.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Going down the road, Yeah, I was. I was going
to get into that. And now you're leading into my
next question too. Do you feel like that the mental
hell challenge is that you realized later on that may
have been contributed to that thought that you had when
you point the gun at your chest.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Yeah. I mean, there's no question about it that I
was dealing with some clinical depression. And here's the thing, Lamont,
there's a problem when it comes to that word depression.
And the reason why is because of the perception that
it leads to see. Everybody deals with depression in some manner, right,
and that's the emotion of depression. We all have had
(11:37):
things happen to us. We've had people who have left us,
We've had people who have passed away, We've had relationships
that didn't work out, we had jobs that didn't work out,
whatever that is. We've all had the emotion of depression.
What we did not all have is clinical depression. And
clinical depression literally has a nine points of criteria, okay,
(11:58):
of which you have to have five of those points
in order to be able to qualify quote unquote for
to be known as clinical depression. The problem is is
that we don't ever say clinical depression, and we just
say always dealing with depression, and then the next thing,
you know, somebody might have some sort of you know,
crass remarks saying what we all deal with depression, you
(12:20):
need to get over it, and you know that's just
really not the case.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
It is.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
It is something that is different, and that's where you know,
I try to educate, you know, I do the best
that I can to be able to entertain, educate, and
empower all in one spot. And so you know, I
can tell you this that my first suicidal situation was
at eight years old. My first suicidal attempt, my full attempt,
(12:45):
was at eleven years old. So it's not like I really,
you know, took a huge jump from eight to say
twenty eight. I went from eight to eleven before my
first attempt, So there definitely was something going on.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Shane, I know, I want you to clarify some things
to some of our listeners who I know you touched
on it briefly, but give us a little bit more
details about the difference between depression. I know that's a
general term versus the clinical depression.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Well, you know, clinical depression is well known for the
dread of it all. Like you don't even want to
get up in the morning. You don't want you know,
a lot of people will say, well, a lot of
people don't want to get up in the morning. Well,
what I'm saying is is like you don't want to
live through the day. You don't even want to get
it started, right, It's more than just staying home from
(13:37):
school or staying home from work. You know. Another thing
is is that you do not enjoy the things that
you did before. Like say, for instance, let's say you
enjoy watching football, or in my case, I love playing golf, right,
I mean I played golf when I was very very young,
and then all of a sudden, you just don't have
(14:00):
that liking anymore. You just don't enjoy it anymore. In fact,
you don't enjoy much of anything. You're really kind of
like on a on a dead space. You're kind of
like on an even keel all throughout, you know, so
that there's that and then there's you know, you could
This is where a lot of things people will say, well,
this can happen to a lot of things. Well it's true,
(14:22):
but again, these points of criteria are to show warning
signs like you could gain weight or or lose weight
in a very short period of time. You could have
your life being dictated by that depression. In other words,
like you lose jobs, or you don't go to school,
and therefore you don't you end up having too many
(14:43):
tarties at school and next thing you know, you're gonna
have to do the year over again. You know, there's
there's also those aspects of it too, so you know,
I mean, it's it's much more deeper than just the emotion.
The emotion is something that is on the surface level.
It something that what you'll find, like you'll say, like
your emotional bucket, right, it's when you all of a sudden,
(15:05):
you know, your bucket overflows and next thing you know,
you've got some tears going in your eyes. You got
some upset, and that's going within you. You're deeply upset
or you're deeply saddened, and that is emotional. But when
it comes to clinical depression, you're talking about something that
goes on twenty four to seven, three hundred and sixty
five days out of the year, and that that's even
(15:27):
with the medications that you know that people will prescribe
in order to be able to help you. I mean,
you're still dealing with it. You just find a way
to be able to manage it a little bit differently
if things are going on and even keel.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Right, okay, got it helping people cope with it a
little bit more. But it's an ongoing situation.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Right.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
So you mentioned that you were dealing with your issues
at an early age and did you come to a
conclusion as tool why.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Well, yeah, at age thirty five, you know me, Yeah, honestly,
you know. I mean, because what happened was, here's the thing.
I had a lot of advantages that people don't get
to have. And Laman, I'm sure you can understand this
when I say this. I had two loving parents. Okay,
(16:23):
that's a pretty big thing. This year, right, I didn't
have to asolutely absolutely right, you know. So I didn't
have to worry about a roof over my head. I
never had to worry about food on the table. Christmases
were pretty darn good. You know. My parents made sacrifices
(16:44):
in order for me to get a very good education.
I went to the number six high school in the
country in regards to academics, so I had a lot
of advantages that people don't get to have. Now here's
the thing again, we're not talking about some and that's
on the surface level here. You know, when my mother's
side of the family dealt with alcoholism as well as bipolar,
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so there was there was that aspect of things. My
biological father's side also dealt with bipolar, alcoholism and depression.
So it's like, this is something that that is like
does go down through the genetics of what it is
that that we end up with. Now that doesn't mean
that it's always going to end up that way, but
(17:33):
it could certainly be seen as Okay, well that makes
more sense, you know, but yeah, you know, so so
here it is it's like like I said, I mean
I played golf. I mean I love playing golf. I
got two hole in ones one number of different championships,
both individual and team play. You know. I love doing that.
(17:57):
I love playing baseball, love doing all those things. And
in fact, I was on a race car team. My
father was an engine man on a race car team
here in the local area, was a dirt modifi and
we won at eight track championships in thirteen years that
I've been there. And you know, so I had a
lot of things as to where it's like, hey, you
know what the wavelength was hitting the peak versus the valley.
(18:20):
You know, but here's the problem when dealing with my
depression and everything like that, you're not talking about like
for me, it's not like mania. It's not like an
extreme up and then an extreme low. It's really in
regards to just like an even keel. You are flatlined,
so you really don't feel all the highs and you
(18:44):
don't feel all the lows. You don't feel them, but
you're still experiencing them. And that's where people kind of
get a little bit confused because they say, well, if
I'm not feeling them, how am I experiencing them? Like say,
for instance, I also deal with PTSD post traumatic stress
and you know, those who are going through post traumatic
stress disorder, you'll notice that like say, for instance, something
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happens and they don't flinch, right, they're not even involved
because they're already on that even keeld. They're already there.
As to where it's like they're in a frame of
mind that isn't allowing them to feel as much. Okay,
And then next thing you know, there's a problem like
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all of a sudden, they just make a decision that
they're either gonna, you know, make an attempt to take
their life or they're gonna lash out at somebody just
out of the blue or something in that sense. The
reason is is because even though that you're not feeling
the emotions, they are happening within at the same time anyways,
So you know, this is something that needs to be
understood when it comes to the education point. You know,
(19:52):
just because you're not feeling these things doesn't mean that
you're not experiencing them.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Yes, complex, yeah, very complex. Yeah wow. And that's why
it's so confusing when somebody is dealing with it too,
you know, because the society will give you all the
cliches in the world, the simple answers, when in fact
it is not a simple answer. There is a lot
(20:23):
to it, and that includes when you're taking the medications
and even more so because if you're taking medications in
order to be able to help you and let me
make this very clear, I am not against taking medications.
I believe that medications do have a place, and I
believe that they're to help us regulate ourselves to the
point as to where then we're able to do the work.
(20:43):
In other words, you mentioned coping skills, So that's important
as to where you do to work in order to
utilize your coping skills to be able to help you
a little bit further, to manage it a little bit
different instead of just kind of going through the day
without processing things. So you know, I mean, that's it's
a real deal. It's a very real situation that a
(21:05):
lot of people go through.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yeah, because most people are saying most people think being
depressed is triggered by circumstances, right, like can't find a
job or you know, something going on in their life
that's society and dumped on them and that's the cause
of their depression.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
But.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
It seems like it could be a lot of other
things that plays into that.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Yeah. In fact, those things are on top of what
it is that somebody might be dealing with, so it
really compounds. And so that's why you know you end
up finding that person. Is to where you'll have somebody
like say, for instance, let's say that they make an
attempt at taking their life, or they or at least
(21:54):
they lash out or they get in trouble with the
police or whatever the case may be, and their loved
ones will sit there in those I don't know what
happened or or they'll say, you know, like how did
this happen? Like where did we go wrong? Type of thing,
and they're not realizing that all of life's normal circumstances
(22:14):
that everybody goes through life is not the easiest thing
in the first place. And then put it on top
of something that you're dealing with when you're talking about
clinical depression or any type of mental health challenge, whether
it be bipolar, PTSD, codependency, whatever. On top of that
is life's circumstances, life on life terms, they say, and
(22:35):
it just is added to it. It's not like it's
just kind of replacing it. It's just added to what
it is that we go through.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
You mentioned that you came to terms or realized that
you were having some issues at age at thirty five.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Correct, Yeah, yeah, did.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Something trigger that? Did an incident occur as something trigger
that awake me or cause you to leak out, I
mean seek out for some type of assistance at that point.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Well, in twenty eleven, I low at the end of
twenty eleven, I lost everything that I could lose. And
you know, whether it be my job, whether it be
the girl that I was with, or whether it be
my career or what have you. It was very traumatic
to me and I lost everything, and I knew that
I was in trouble. I knew that I was in
trouble because I had made multiple attempts to take my life.
(23:33):
And one of the things that one of the societies
god to make.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Anybody she looked that would make anybody want to take
their life if they had lost everything.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
They lost that pay yes exactly. And and you know,
going from making just about six figures a year to
wondering where you're going to get your next paycheck, you know,
I mean it was and it was on December twenty third,
you know. Wow. So there was a whole lot that
was going on, and I did. I made an attempt
(24:06):
at taking my life, and as a result, I had
what amounted to a stroke. And so while doing that,
throe the way that I had made the attempt taking
my life, which was with carbon monoxide. I uh, there
are uh side effects that go along with that, and
they are they last for a very long period of time.
(24:29):
So I was sitting there, be honest with you, I
couldn't even get a sentence out. I mean I was
constantly stuttering. I was constantly going through all this thing.
I had tremors going throughout my entire body. They thought
that I.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Carbon monoxide. Are you talking about the car and the
garage with the garage door closed type thing?
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Tight? Something like that. It was. It was with a car.
I was outside and and uh, I actually ingested. I
actually took the hose and put it in my mouth
versus just let it be in the car. Yeah, I
was serious.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
You was serious? Yeah, yeah, well yeah, you were really serious.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Yeah. Absolutely, And you know, so here it is, I'm
having tremors going throughout my body. They thought that I
had Parkinson's even because they thought that it might have
been dormant because you know the way that things were
going on, and they didn't know if it was still
side effects from the carbon monoxide. So I went to
(25:30):
every single, you know, therapy that you could possibly imagine,
whether it be speech therapy, whether it be physical therapy,
whether it be psyche therapy, depression, whatever. I went to
all sorts of different things because I literally had to
put my life on hold in order to learn why
the heck do I think and feel the way that
I do, and I got some I finally got some
(25:54):
answers as I did, started doing the work in that sense,
and you know, then I started realizing it from my
past and everything like this, like you talk about. I'll
give you an example in regards to depression you had mentioned.
You know, what's that like and why is it different?
One of the attempts that I had made, I was
(26:16):
actually two stories high, and I was simply I was
passed out and I was hanging from two stories high
and I fell from two stories high because the banister
gave way, and as I did, I went in between
the two banisters that were the floor down below. And
(26:38):
as I went down between there, I landed on my
head into some tin shelving and the hardwood floor and
knocked out right. I was knocked out, and I woke up,
and I noticed that my glasses were on the floor
and they were in front of me. Now here's the thing,
(27:00):
I said, Damn, my glasses broke. Not not ow Yeah,
not me, you know, not that maybe I broke or
whatever the case may be. You know. So I'm sitting
here and I'm like worrying about my glasses more than anything.
And then I came to realize, you know, it's like, okay,
(27:21):
all right, maybe you broke something, you know, and then
start moving around and everything like that. And I didn't
break anything, but you don't fall like that and don't
get banged up. Now here's the kicker. I ordered a
pizza an hour later. That's how familiar I was with
my pain. That's how familiar I was with the the
(27:44):
circumstances that was going on within me. I was very
familiar with the cycle and to the point is to
where you know what. But I was a survivor too.
I was a fighter. I know that you have a
show called in the Ring. I was. I threw hands
for a while, you know. So it's like that's the
way that I do things. And you know, so I
(28:05):
was a fighter and I was dying at the same time,
and you know, it was it was a hell of
a life that I was going through. I was at
a in the hospital at one point in time, and
I had made the attempt to take my life. And
they they they said, listen, you're awfully comfortable in your depression.
(28:27):
I'm like, I'm saying, I'm like, you got to be
kidding me, right, Like how comfortable can I be if
I'm trying to take myself off of this art, Like, seriously,
how comfortable do you think that I really am? And
at the time, you know, I was a little bit
definitely defiant. And there's an old thing when it comes
to therapy and everything, and that is that feelings aren't facts.
(28:51):
And I would kind of like snap back at them
and I'm like, well, here's a fact for you. I
feel this way, you know. And so they they came
to me and they said, you seem to be really,
you know, comfortable in your depression. So I'm like, okay, check,
please let me the heck out of here. And to
also I wanted to That's when I made the decision
(29:13):
that I was going to go home and I was
going to work on what the what the language of
mental health really is and how to determine how somebody can,
you know, how to relate with somebody with mental health
versus mental wellness, and that was something that was important
to me.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Wow, that's some powerful stuff, Shane. And it's kind of
scary in a sense, man, because there's a lot of
people that's walking around that's dealing with this issue internally,
and people don't know. And you think about the suicide
attempts in America day, and it makes me wonder how
(29:57):
many of these people had similar issues and not knowing
how to deal with it, and the ones that choose
to take themselves out and ones that choose to take
others out with them.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Indeed, indeed, and you know, that's another thing is is
the fact that you know a lot of people do
think and you have mentioned it is like it's due
to circumstances. It really is not. What it is is
that it's something that they live with. Three hundred and
sixty five days out of the year, somebody will say,
you know, when it comes to suicidality, oh he was weak,
(30:30):
or oh he took the easy way out, or oh
you know it was because of this. In most cases,
when it comes to suicidality, it's something that has been
festering for quite some time. It might be something that
might be for a couple of months, it might be
something that's for a couple of years, it might be
a couple of decades. That comes from when you were
(30:51):
a kid, and everything's just kind of compounding. You know,
there's that aspect of things. It is not easy to
then make the decision take your own life.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
I'll be thinking about it now, just just thinking about
it now, saying that's that's a scary thought, man, because
I love me. I might hurt somebody else, but I'm
not going to hurt me.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Yeah, yeah, it is.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
It's just a scary thought.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Yeah. And you know, and so when somebody is sitting
there and they're making these cliches and these simple these
simple statements, they really don't have a clue with what
the real deal is. And as that's going on, you know, somebody,
The way I explain it to like when it comes
to suicidality is that you kind of go back in
(31:37):
the box. Now, we're both innovators, right, We're both entrepreneurs.
We're both trying to you know, make a dent in
the world. And when we say these things, we say, hey, look,
you know we're going to think out of the box.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Right.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Well, when it comes to suicidality or depression or mental
health in itself, you kind of go falling back into
the box. And I'm not just talking about mental health
health as in like mental illness. I'm also talking about
mental health. As I said, you know, there's a lot
of us that go through this. People who deal with
chronic pain, for instance, people who deal with chronic illness
(32:12):
as well as mental illness deal with this thing. So
you kind of adapt to what the diagnosis is or
what the symptoms are. So you kind of like go
back in the box. Now you're in the smallest thing
that you could possibly imagine, and you're with you, yourself
and you and you're your own worst enemy, and you know,
(32:33):
so next thing, you know, you start asking questions. And
like I said, it's not easy to just make the
decision that you're gonna take yourself out. But here you're
gonna start asking yourself some questions and you're gonna say,
you know, well, won't your parents miss you? Your parents
are gonna miss you. They're gonna they love you so
very much. They're gonna they're gonna be so upset because
you passed away and you did this. And then you
(32:55):
start answering your questions. That's where the problem is because
you start answering questions like the.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Yeah, answering your own questions.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Now you're in trouble because now you're sitting there and
you say, yeah, they will love me and they'll miss
me and everything in that sense, But they won't have
to go through what they've been having to go through
for so many years. They won't have to, you know,
be there while I'm in the hospital. They won't have
to hear how I lost my job. They won't have
(33:25):
to hear how I lost my relationship. They won't have
to you know, I won't be that burden anymore. And
then the next thing would be, well, well, won't your friends,
you know, miss you? And you know, it's like, yeah,
but here's the thing, do they really know me? Because
what they know of me is on the surface. What
(33:46):
they know of me is that happy guy, that that
guy who smiles and who jokes around a lot, and
who does who participates in a lot of different things.
That's who they know. They don't know what's deep down
inside in the darkness. So yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Tears of a clown where you laugh and smiling on
the outside but crying and hurting on the inside.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
You got it. You got it. And that's what a
lot of people deal with. And you know, and what
I try to do is whether it be through my
as an individual, whether it be a life improvement coach,
or whether it be a motivational speaker or whether it
be through the speaking of hard podcast network, is that
I try to identify with what people are are going
(34:33):
through through my own experiences, and in doing that, I
now know how to help them because I know what
helped me and while that was working, now I can
utilize my empowerment skills to be able to bring them
to another level so that they can see that they
can be more than the challenges that they face, even
(34:53):
though they might be going through some stuff.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
And truly that makes you a great speaker. And people
tend to listen more to people that can actually talk
from their actual experiences versus those that got it out
of a book. Right, I mean they can hear they
can hear you, they can hear your struggle, they can
hear your pain, they can hear your sincerity. I mean
(35:19):
they know that you know what you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Right.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
That's that's why I've got the audience that I have
is because of my transparency. It's not believe me, it's
not because I went to school for this craziness, you
know what I mean. It's like I didn't go to
school in order to build a podcast network. I didn't
go to I didn't even go to broadcasting, you know
what I mean, It's like I was going to be
a lawyer. That was by intent. I was going to
(35:47):
be a lawyer at some point in time.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
I guess we both came in from the left field
because it definitely wasn't my attention to do this either, right, that.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Just happened to be good at it, you know, I mean.
And then next thing, you know, it's like I started
getting my audience because I was being transparent, because I
was able to say, hey, look, yeah I've made some
left hand turns in my life, and yeah I've gone
through some stuff and I can talk to you about
it so that you can understand that I can identify
(36:20):
with what you're going through. And you know, and while
you realize that I understand it now now I can
help you and you know, but at the same time,
I'm also you know, I'm a hardcore too, because I'm
not going to sit there and just let you be stuck.
I'm not just going to sit there and let you
justify why it is or validate why it is that
(36:40):
you think and feel the way that you feel, because
that's really not my purpose. My purpose isn't to validate
who it is that you are. My purpose is to
help you realize that you're more than the challenges that
you face and to take you to another level. That's
what it is that I that I do. So when
people sit there and they say, oh, well, you don't understand,
and sometimes the answer is, I'm not meant to understand.
(37:04):
I'm not meant to understand what it is that you're
going through. I'm meant to be able to help you
process through it so that we can now leave it
behind like a snake skin, leave it behind so that
you can then go up to another level and you
can start doing what it is that you are meant
to do versus what it is that you feel like
or what you may merely be existing to do.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Right, Shane, they tell me that you've lived in sixteen states.
I mean, what's that about.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
That was all about trying to find a place to fit, man,
I mean that that was really all it was. It
was always trying to find you know, whether it be
through my mental illness. And I also dealt with addiction,
you know, so addiction was something that kind of like
was very familiar to go right along with the feelings
that I was having, you know, when it came to,
(37:57):
you know, finding that that release, that outlet to be
able to deal with some of the stuff that was
being thought and fell through me, you know. And so
in dealing with those those challenges and life on life
terms as they are, you know, I mean I've dealt
with I was actually I was sexually assaulted three times.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Yeah, an Ashy, Are we talking about drug addiction, food addiction,
sexual addiction? What type of addiction?
Speaker 3 (38:26):
I was speaking of anything but drugs and alcohol? Really,
I mean I loved what I liked, you know what
I mean. It's like whether it be sports. I never
thought that, you know, liking statistics and sports was going
to leave me in a sports gambling. I never, you know,
thought that the you know, I thought everybody loved sex
(38:47):
the way that I did. Apparently I'm a little bit
more than what some might think, you know, you know.
And then there's you know, or how about the little
things like just like being reckless sometimes you know it's
like you left your you left your wallet, uh in
your in your car and you know your car is unlocked, okay,
(39:08):
and then you go ahead and you take the gamble
that is going to be there because you're not going
to go back to your car. Instead, You're gonna go
do what you're gonna do, and oh, it'll be there later,
you know, when when I get back, you know, those
types of things. I mean, it was just, you know, certainly, uh,
you know, not a well mined uh when it came
to those types of things. And I had to go
(39:31):
through a twelve step program in order to be able
to learn a little bit more, learn that, you know what,
I wasn't a piece of garbage like I thought that
I was, and like society might have thought that I
was because of me being an addict and from that
that term, you know, and I was dealing with some
stuff and I had to learn that, you know, I
had a process through some stuff and and after doing that,
(39:53):
I started learning a little bit. And be quite honest
with you, what I utilized to be able to help
others certainly does go along with my experiences as well
as twelve step as well as what I call the
optimal frame of mind.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
And I think the hard part a lot of people
know that there's an issue that exists and they need help.
But I guess the hard part is taking that other
step and actually going out and trying to do something
about it. Yeah, yeah, I mean it kind of makes
me wonder, It kind of makes you one or too
shame because you know, there you hear about a lot
(40:30):
of people that that's they're attempting suicide, but they do
what is it suicide by police or something where they
create a situation to have somebody else do it, which
is actually the same thing. And it kind of makes
me wonder, are some of these people still dealing with
some of these other depression issues, even the ones that
(40:53):
going to Walmart someplace and starts shooting up the place.
And it makes you think these other people are innocent,
They have nothing to do with nothing. Now, what would
create a situation in one's head that would make them
want to go and do that? And then you listen
to the news. They got all this big stuff about,
(41:14):
you know, taking guns out of the market and going
after the people that sell guns. Don't sell guns, don't
sell guns. But then you know, I come from Texas
to where I grew up, shouldn't be because in twenty
two then I've never seen you know, you heard a
guy say, we've never seen a gun pick itself up
and go shoot somebody. So then it makes you think
(41:34):
about why aren't they putting more focus on the people
they may have issues that go out and do these things.
I'm trying to see, you know, I don't know if
my question is making sense, but it seems.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
Like, oh no, it's making sense. It's something. I mean,
it's a trending topic now right. I mean, it's definitely
a trending topic, and I can actually talk to you
about it in something that you would understand and a
little bit as well, you know. I mean, here's the thing,
a mental somebody who's dealing with depression, somebody who's dealing
(42:11):
with mental health. They do not need a gun. They
don't need a gun. They don't need a gun for themselves,
they don't need a gun for anybody else or any
protection wise or anything like that, because it really is
something that could be an issue. Now here's the bottom
line when it comes to the news and everything in
this sense, it is so over dramatized in everything in
(42:32):
that sense, and that is that, Okay, we have a
shooting here, So what do we do. First thing that
they do is they start to look and see if
they have a mental health diagnosis, see if they're taking medication.
See I there to see if they have a psychiatrist,
see if they have a history of mental health. That's
the first thing that they do. Now here's the reality
of the situation. The majority of people who deal with
(42:56):
mental health are likely to hurt themselves before they'll hurt
anybody else. And when I say the majority, I'm talking
like ninety eight percent. Okay, now here's the situation that
that happens when it comes to mental health. And I can,
I can actually go along with what it is that
you're saying. You're from Texas, You've you've had the familiarity
(43:20):
of with having a gun to be begun, whatever the
case may be, for forever right now. I had the
opportunity in order to be able to work with Marjorie
Stoneman Douglas and Marjorie Stoneman Douglas was the school that
was in Florida that unfortunately had seventeen deaths due to
(43:41):
a mass shooting. And the young man that was the
shooter dealt with mental health like in a big, big way,
And it was very very evident, you know what I mean,
There was no question about it. He had problems with
his anger issues. He definitely, I mean, it's never they
(44:02):
won't say because of hippo violation or anything in that sense.
He definitely has, you know, some symptoms of what would
be like autism or something in that sense, and a
high spectrum, but he also deals with obvious anger issues
and so forth, I mean constantly, and yet he was
able to get multiple guns and ammunition. Now's who is
(44:29):
you know, responsible for this? First of all, he is,
that's number one. Second of all, the person who's selling
the gun definitely should have some ownership. Now here's the thing.
There was multiple, multiple times as to where cops were
(44:49):
called in on this particular person for a number of
different reasons. That should have been in the list somewhere
that would have been very easy to pick up, you
know when they go ahead and they put in their
driver's license number or their or their social Security number
or something in that sense, but for whatever reason, they
kept on following through the cracks. Now, do I personally
(45:11):
think that everybody in the world needs a gun? No?
Do I think that there are way too many guns
in the country as is, And do I think that
there are people out there that have guns that really
don't really need them and really should not have them. Yes,
I believe that there's way too many out there and
so forth. Do I believe that people have the right
to protect themselves, Yes, I do, so I kind of
(45:34):
play the middle of the field, all right. I'm not
a black and white type of guy. But you know,
bottom line is is that mental health is thought about
on the surface level. It's not thought about on the
on the deep level. Because if it's on the deep level,
well then guess what. Now we've got issues because we
(45:54):
have situations as to where pharmaceutical companies you know, are
going to be called in question. Now we've got situations
when we've got hospitals that are going to be called
in question, We've got therapists that are going to be
called in question. There's gonna be a lot of different
things that are going to come along that people don't
really want the answers to quite frankly, so you know
what I mean. So what we're doing is is that
(46:15):
we're now finding out that hey, you know what, this
person's going through some stuff. Well, why didn't we know
that before? Like seriously, why wasn't that seen before? Because
I guarantee it was seen, it was just overlooked or
it was looked the other way.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
And that's what that second part. Yeah, that that's second
part because.
Speaker 3 (46:37):
Of the dollar. Yeah, it's looked the other way, or
it's that, or you know what, it's also the fact
of our individualistic society that's out there too. You know what,
if it's not if it's not dealing with me, then
I'm all right, you know what I mean. It's like
as well as I don't have to deal with it,
life's good. I got enough problems in my life. I've
got enough things that I go through. I got enough
(47:00):
and all that. Here's the bottom line though, when it
comes to mental health, one out of every four or
five people in our country deal with a mental health challenge. Now,
whether or not that they want to look at it
or not, that's a totally different scenario. But the reality
is one out of every four or five people deal
(47:20):
with mental health or they know somebody who deals with
mental health. Think about how many packs of four or
five people that you know, Lamont, and then you start
realizing how big of an issue that we really have here.
And so yeah, right, I mean even in a decent
sized family, you've got at least one or two, you know,
(47:42):
I mean for sure.
Speaker 2 (47:43):
And they're a look and they're in shane. They're in denial.
Speaker 3 (47:47):
Yeah, always right exactly, you know. And that's another thing.
That's why I say, you know, we do need to
take ownership. We do need to take ownership about what
it is that we're going through and everything in that.
The problem is is that people aren't like getting them
to sit down and say, hey, look, we really think
that this is the problem, and then you know, and
(48:09):
being able to have somebody say okay, yeah, maybe you know,
and then kind of learning what's going on. Listen. I
was thirty five years old when I had to take
myself out of my world, you know what I mean.
I may it's because I finally just had enough. I mean,
obviously I was willing to take myself out numerous numerous times,
(48:31):
but I finally came to the to the point is
to where I needed to know the answers. I needed
to know why it is that I was thinking and
feeling the way that I was. And then all of
a sudden, the education was there. All of a sudden,
you know, I started learning as to what this is
all about. Like think about codependency, for instance, I was
totally ignorant to codependency one time, I was in in
(48:53):
a group session and I was teaching somebody how to
do goal setting right. And it was coming from again
one of my experiences of failure right because I would always,
you know, I would set my goal to G. I
would go from A to G right because I would say, well,
I can make D easy and I can you know,
I can stretch myself to F. So let's make the
(49:15):
goal G. That means I'll reach outside of what it is.
And I'm mail by. I was always in personal development,
even when I was very young. I just didn't feel
it the way that they did. I wanted to, but
I didn't feel it. So I would go ahead and
I would set my goal to G. So I'm sitting
here in this in this group session, and I'm teaching
people how to do goal setting right because I finally
(49:36):
figure it out. You know, you got to go from A, B, C, D,
you know. And the reasons why, well, it happened to
be that the director of the program was substituting for
the supervisor at the time, and she was sitting there
and she was just watching me. And you know how
like your mother just like watches you. You know, it's
like and you know she knows something that you don't know. Well,
(50:01):
she was sitting there and she was just watching me,
and I said what And she goes, do you know
what codependency is? And I said, well, why would I
Why are we talking about codependency. I'm very independent, Like
I'm a very independent person. I've lived in sixteen states
in this country. I've done a whole lot of And
she's just like, oh, Shane, like you really don't know.
(50:24):
And so I was looking at her with my head
to the side, and I'm like, what don't I know?
And so I went home and I started reading about
codependency and next thing I know, Lamont, I started realizing
where a whole lot of my pain was and in
regards to codependency. And I was always a rescuer, and
I was rescuing everybody, and at the same time, I
(50:46):
was rescuing the people that weren't ready to be rescued,
you know, and it was creating a whole lot of pain.
So this is the thing. If you're not really working
on what works, if you're really not working on you
know what it's going to help you, then you are
just going to continue on throughout life. Because whether or
(51:06):
not that you are thinking about suicide, idality or not.
It's not easy to take yourself off this earth without
you know, unless unfortunately you would have the medical means
of being the situation. But you know, the bottom line
is is that we there's a lot of people out
there that are suffering. There's a lot of people that
just go through life on a daily basis and really
(51:27):
don't know why. Wow.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
Which brings about another question for me is because what
I'm well, not so much a question, but the statement
what I'm hearing is that change is not really going
to come about until you make a conscious decision that
you're ready to change. But that doesn't even come until
you honest with yourself and recognize that there is a problem.
(51:53):
Would you agree with that?
Speaker 3 (51:55):
Yeah? Absolutely, Yeah, because like you, like you mentioned, you know,
they're in denial, and it's like, yeah, they are, because
that's what society will teach us to do, you know.
I mean, it will tell us like say, for instance,
if you sit there and you you tell somebody, listen,
you got to get over it. You got to get
over you know, whatever you're depressed about, whatever that is,
(52:16):
you got to get over it, you know, because you're
going to lose your job or you're going to lose
your family. You know, I talk about it through a statement.
I kind of talk about through a concept called water
on a grease fire. And water on a grease fire
is something that relates to the relationship between the person
who is dealing with some challenges and the loved ones
(52:40):
that are trying to help them. And you know, when
we were younger and everything like that, we had you know,
fire safety and fire prevention and then all that, right,
we had those weeks at school and stuff, and they
teach us about, you know, fire and they would tell us,
you know that water is a pretty good thing when
fire is around, and you know, but the thing is
(53:04):
is that when we're talking about a grease fire, well
that's not really a good thing at all, is it.
And so what I'm talking about is water on a
grease fire. What happens is is that somebody will be
a loved one or something and they're they're they're just
trying to help a person. I've noticed that through you know,
just the average person that's out there. You know, human nature,
(53:27):
you know, we don't want somebody to fail or fall, right,
because if somebody falls, what happens, somebody tries to catch you, right,
and you know what I mean. So that's go ahead.
Speaker 2 (53:40):
I know I just said that in most instances, someone
to try to help you.
Speaker 3 (53:44):
But yeah, right, you're not earlier.
Speaker 2 (53:46):
Today about this individualistic society. Have some people are walk
by and just look at you and say, oh, you
fail down.
Speaker 3 (53:53):
Yeah that's true. I've been there too, trust me. I'm
talking about Yeah, I'm talking about hopefully the good ones, right,
you know, are gonna well you try to you know,
you're talking about your loved ones. Your loved ones are
going to like try to catch you right from from
falling into an abyss. So that's what it is that
we do. And you know, I mentioned the fact that
I used to throw hands, and I talk about this
(54:14):
is that if you are now you know you're you're
the manager and I'm the fighter, right okay, and you
your loved one of mine. And so you know that
I've prepared for this fight and I've been ready to
go and I'm really looking forward to win in this fight.
And you know what it is the sacrifices that I
made and everything in that sense, and I'm sitting there
(54:36):
and I'm in the fight and then all of a
sudden boom, I end up on the canvas. Now, you
as my manager, what's the very first thing that you're
going to say? Get your ass up, Get your ass
up right exactly. Now here's the thing you didn't necessarily
see what put me down. But the thing is is
that you're looking at it from the managers standpoint. You're
(54:58):
looking at it. It's like, damn, Shane, you you got
hit by much worse the last fight, or you got
hit by more than that before.
Speaker 2 (55:05):
You know, it's like.
Speaker 3 (55:07):
These punches, Get up right exactly, So like what the
hell are you doing on the on the ground? Get
your ass up. Well, the problem is is that you
didn't see that short right that hit my chin, you know,
before the left hit my jaw right, So you saw
the left, you saw the left that put me down,
but you didn't see the right, the short right. And
(55:29):
it's always the short ones right, it's always the short
ones that clip you. They always clip you and you're
next thing. You know, it's like, oh you know, you're
you're like where am I type of thing. So you
didn't see that short right that clipped my chin. Now
here's the thing you're telling me to get my ass up.
So now you're just like society. You're telling me that, hey, look,
(55:51):
you've been hit harder before. I've been hit harder before. Right.
You know, it's like you're sitting there and now you're
making it personal and you're saying, listen, you gotta get up.
You gotta do what you need to do because you've
done everything that you can in order to be able
to win this fight. You want to do this, and
you we're doing this for you, right And next thing
you know, I start trying to get up. But here's
(56:13):
the thing. I don't have my legs underneath me anymore.
Right now, you have experience in boxing, that's not a
very good thing because you're either going to go down
again or you're gonna go down hard in that.
Speaker 2 (56:29):
Way, Yeah, real hard, just that right exactly.
Speaker 3 (56:33):
You know, it's like Wilder is about ready to wind
up that left that is going to knock the hell
and you're not fury okay, It's like you're staying down.
And that's what water on a grease fire is. Everything
that we know as instinct to be able to help
somebody not fail or fall really works against us when
(56:54):
it comes to that relationship because we're sitting there and
we're telling you, listen, you don't understand. I'm not just
dealing with an emotion of depression. I'm dealing with dread.
I'm not actually having suicidal thoughts. I'm actually not wanting
to live anymore. I'm actually not wanting to be this anymore,
you know. And next thing you know, you're sitting there
(57:15):
and saying, you got to you gotta get over this,
you got to get better, you gotta do this, you
gotta do this, you gotta do this. And next thing
you know, you're creating that void. You're creating that void
to be bigger and worse and darker than what it's
ever been before. And that's really what society does, is
a proponent of is to you know, hey, look, this
(57:35):
is what you've got to tell your son, this is
what you've got to tell your daughter in order to
make sure that they don't just you know, don't either
number one, don't don't just go on disability or don't
just go to a therapist. You know, they're still working.
They need to be working, they need to be doing
this and being ridiculed and everything in that sense, even
from you know, from our political standpoint or from you know,
(57:59):
a family stamp point, or whatever the case may be.
That's what will happen. And you know, next thing, you know,
somebody is going to start hiding that they're going through
some stuff and that's where you find out. Hey, you
know what, it's not a good situation, you know.
Speaker 2 (58:14):
So, Shane, Shane, I don't want to cut you off
and listen, we down to the last minute and a
half of the show, and I want you to give
my listeners the opportunity to come look you up and
come check you out on your show.
Speaker 3 (58:27):
Well, listen, first of all, I want to say thank
you for the opportunity in order to be on your show.
I really do appreciate it. Love to have you on
our show at some point in time. Actually, you know,
it's real, real simple. I am Shane Schultz. You can
find me on Facebook. It's Shane Schultz Speaking to the Heart.
And that is because I own the Speaking of the
Heart podcast network, where I have eight different shows that
(58:50):
are designed to help people reach outside of what it
is that's a're ailed by. You know, I actually do promote,
or I should say I actually do produce each show.
I actually have developed each show. So there is a
reason why it is that I have somebody on my network.
They don't just get on my network for any particular
reason outside of what it is that's going to help
(59:12):
my audience, you know. So I have a number of
different shows that are there. If the website is speaking
to the Heart dot org. We also have a digital
toolbox which is called easy Card, and what that'll do
is that you do easy card dot com forward, slash
the number two and the word heart, and that'll get
(59:33):
you all linked up to what it is that we
do on on your desktop. And if you're listening to
us on cell phone or any mobile device you can
go to, you can go ahead and do a call text,
so you text six four six zero zero, and then
in the text, you go ahead and you type the
number two and the word heart, and you're linked with
(59:55):
us with everything that we got, so you know, I mean,
we've got shows that are in regards to to motivation.
We've got shows that in regards to healthy humor. We've
got shows that are regards to nutrition, meditation, we got shows.
We just did a show that we started call Probably Served,
which is for the military service community, not only the
(01:00:18):
military servicemen and women, but also the components of in
which include like your family, your parents as well as
your children that are involved in that. You know, so
we know what a lot of things that are going
on out there and we're there to help. So it's
all about entertainment, education and empowerment all in one spot.
Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
Thank you so much, Shane, and we're definitely going to
look forward to having you back with us again and
appreciate you. And for those that join the show late,
it'll be available in its entirety worldwide and one minute,
so you can't say you didn't hear it. Ask your mama,
ask your daddy, ash your neighbor, ask the milkman. Somebody
take you where you can hear this show and we'll
be back next week. Thank you very much, have a
(01:01:01):
blessed week. Kind of player player out
Yeah, yeah, old school, that's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Listening.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
This ain't for everybody. Some of y'all need to hear it.
I know you're in the trenches fighting, but check it out.
I'm gonna put it down like this. Why I can
give him things. Understand everything you're going through. It's all
part of the master plant or what. Just cause you
got saved, everything was gonna be pictures of Queen. You
better wake up, son, don't nothing come to a super
foot upright? Trust work is there reach the fire. But
(00:25):
you know what it said. He's who don't work, don't factors,
don't get said. Yeah, he's just said.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
He hoops his.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Hands to the pot, looks back to straight makes fit.
So y'all ain't been in the pitcher's five minutes and
you're not ready to quen.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I ain't mad. I'm just hitting you with the wheel.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
If you got for me, I was chill.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Now how you think that made you feel?
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Check this out?
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Deep gas. This here's ze Hue. Some of y'all as
saw or nothing. But your sun is trying to read something.
But I said he was there for the position parsed
by his claw. Trumple might be part of your testimony,
but it ain't been into the soap. Now I'm put
to such as proper side way back in the day.
Why I sing the look right here and see if
the church.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Get late king out n out working up. We can't lak.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Y can, yes he can.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Thinking not slaying the fiery problem of just tried you?
You say, why you what shut shake? What would Jesus do?
Why you're asking if you ain't trying to do what
he's saying. He told you he was gonna have tipulations,
but you thought he was playing one minute. You tell
her how good guy? There can't nobody be the talk
the next village of back fight, so fasten like your
moon walking. Oh yeah, I'm fitted to myself because I
ain't no better. It ain't like I've been falling at
(01:41):
every word a maying into the letter. But we told
us we gotta remember that. We say, yo, yeah, found down,
confessor say humble, let him annoy. It ain't eas as
I thought it was. I didn't lining if I told you,
but it showed up betting better all the time. Tuck,
that's ain't if we going through the kb heap. God
put that on this top, like they say, you can
shout out and walk to over the book. So why
(02:01):
you going through They don't even show. It's gonna be
on talk quay. We're blocking gifts.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
And wee can bake, well start to work it up.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Well, yeah, we're gonna stop it right there and say welcome. Everybody.
Just had to give a minute the big boy upstairs
because it's my belief and hope it is yours. Also
that somebody up there, you know, the most high it
gonna help us work this thing out we call life,
(02:43):
you know, because it's a lot, a lot, a lot
of stuff going on out there right about now, you know.
So with that being said, welcome to kind of play
and play. This is your host, Lamar Patterson. Alright it
then we made it another day. Anyway, We got a
fantastic show lined up for today. We have mister Shane
(03:05):
Schultz is gonna be joining us briefly, and we're gonna
be talking about this thing called life from suffering to success.
And I know everybody, everybody know what that's about, you know,
because we've all been through something some kind of way
and continue to go through some things. And I guess
the only difference is, you know, everybody deals with different
(03:28):
situations differently. So let's see as I guess with us,
mister Schultz, are you with us?
Speaker 3 (03:37):
I am here, Lamana. It's great to be here.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Oh, thank you, thank you so much for taking time
out to join us.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Oh, it's a pleasure, really is a pleasure. Always has
the opportunity in order to be able to speak with
you know, an accomplished host like yourself. You know, it's
a pleasure of mine as well.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Oh, thank you, thank you, And I'm working hard to
be all that I can be. Mister Shels, give me
one second. Let me introduce you. Today we have mister
Shane Schultz, who's a motivational speaker, health advocate, and the
founder of Speaking to the Hard podcast network. Through his
struggles the depression, PTSD, CHROWNIC, nerve pain and suicidal suicidal dality.
(04:22):
That's thanks suicidealdality. I got that one, Shane has made
it his purpose to help others who are more like
him than different, more than the challenges that he faced.
In twenty fifteen, Shane took his purpose to the podcast world,
where he's built the leading health awareness podcast network featuring
the patient's voice. Mister Seltz, thank you so much. For
(04:44):
joining us, and I know you have a wealth of
wealth of information to share with our listeners today.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Well, I hope so. I know that you have plenty
of good hosts that are that are there and co
hosts that have been with you everything, And I've listened
to quite a few a few of your shows there
and and so I hope that I can match up.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Oh man, you actually made it through them. Huh.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Well, the procrastination one had my had my attention. Let's
put it that way.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Oh man, listen, I have to listen to that one
over and over and over again. I wish more people
in the world would listen to that one.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Amen, Yes, sir.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Well Shane, Well, let's start off, Well, who is Shane's shuls?
That's the first one.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Well, you know, it seems like every host you know
ends up asking their visitor or their guest, you know,
who is this person? You know, why are you here?
What are you about? And you know, a lot of
people would look at it as being really kind of
arbitrary and oh, it's his name and everything like that,
(05:57):
but it really is a complex question because there's a
whole lot that's involved in our name and who it
is that we are. And first of all, my name
is Shane Schultz. You know, I was born and raised
in New York in a small town. I was born
in Troy, and I was raised in an outskirt town
called Abra Park out out in that way, I had
(06:21):
two loving parents, Laurie and Ken. I also had my
biological father, of which you know he had left by
the age of four. I have had the opportunity in
order to be own businesses. I've had the opportunity in
order to be able to you know, make a difference
(06:41):
in the world in a number of different ways. I've
also dealt with clinical depression, and I've dealt with suicidality,
and I've dealt with a lot of different struggles and
challenges in my life as to where I lived in
sixteen states in this country, and you know, in that experience,
I now utilize that experience as well as those you know,
(07:03):
events that have happened in my life in order to
be able to help others be more than the challenges
that they face.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Yes, sir, well, let's start off with the suicide of
suicide thing. I see you're talking about eight years old.
What would trigger something like that? What kind of thought would.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Go into that, some really, really honestly some dreadful ones.
You know, at age eight, a lot of people would say,
my god, what the world would you be so depressed
about as to where you would be thinking about taking
your own life at eight years old. And it's not
like you really think about it. It's that you actually
(07:47):
just kind of are in the event of it. And
let me explain. I was at my grandfather's house, my
grandmother and my grandfather's house. I was sleeping over and
I happened to be sleeping in my uncle's old room, right,
and so he was like a hero to me. My
uncle Donnie was like a hero to me, like a
big brother. So I wanted to know, you know, what
(08:10):
did uncle Donnie, you know, have around in his room
and everything. So I, you know, was snooping around and everything.
And I opened up a drawer and lo and behold,
there's a revolver. And you know the revolvers about, you know,
a forty four forty five. At the time, I really
didn't know I think it was I think it ended
up being told to me that it was a forty five.
(08:33):
And I took that revolver out of the drawer, and
I pointed it at my chest and I and I said,
you know, all I have to do is pull this
trigger and it's finally over. And a lot of people
would say, are you kidding me? You're at eight years old.
I mean, why in the world would you be doing that?
And all I can tell you, is Lamont is that no.
(08:54):
I hated my looks, I hated my voice, and I
really hated the way that I thought and felt. It
just so happens that I now make a living off
of my voice, my looks, and the way that I
think and feel. So you know, but the bottom line
is is that I had that revolver pointing at my
chest and as you know, at eight years old, your
fingers aren't all that big in order to be able
(09:15):
to handle something like that. So it was kind of
shaken and everything like that. And I literally said that,
and then all of a sudden, there was a voice
came from downstairs, and it was my grandfather's voice, and
it said, come on down for ice cream sodas, And
you know, it was a way of you know, the
higher power kind of saying, hey, look, you know you
(09:35):
have a choice. You can, you know, take yourself off
this Earth, or you can go get some ice cream
sodas with your grandfather. And I made that choice. I
made that choice to go get some ice cream sodas
with my grandfather. Now, he had no idea what was
going on, right, He had no idea that there was
any type of danger like that at all going on upstairs,
(09:57):
but you know he was. He really did make a
difference in my life that day.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Okay, well, question number two eight years old. I'm trying
to think of what I was doing eight years old.
I think I was riding the scooters and pairing up
roller skates.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
And I did that all too. You know, I did
all that. I jumped, I jumped bikes. You know, I
had a dirt bike, and I had a motorbike, you know,
a little moped and everything like that. I did that.
You know. I was a fan of Evil Knievel and
Steve Austin, and I played baseball. I did a whole
(10:38):
lot of different things. The problem is is that it's
really not what it is that we do. It really
is what is the situation, And the situation is is
that I was dealing with a mental health challenge even
at that young age. And we'll go a little bit
fer when I was.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Going down the road, Yeah, I was. I was going
to get into that. And now you're leading into my
next question too. Do you feel like that the mental
hell challenge is that you realized later on that may
have been contributed to that thought that you had when
you point the gun at your chest.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Yeah. I mean, there's no question about it that I
was dealing with some clinical depression. And here's the thing, Lamont,
there's a problem when it comes to that word depression.
And the reason why is because of the perception that
it leads to see. Everybody deals with depression in some manner, right,
and that's the emotion of depression. We all have had
(11:37):
things happen to us. We've had people who have left us,
We've had people who have passed away, We've had relationships
that didn't work out, we had jobs that didn't work out,
whatever that is. We've all had the emotion of depression.
What we did not all have is clinical depression. And
clinical depression literally has a nine points of criteria, okay,
(11:58):
of which you have to have five of those points
in order to be able to qualify quote unquote for
to be known as clinical depression. The problem is is
that we don't ever say clinical depression, and we just
say always dealing with depression, and then the next thing,
you know, somebody might have some sort of you know,
crass remarks saying what we all deal with depression, you
(12:20):
need to get over it, and you know that's just
really not the case.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
It is.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
It is something that is different, and that's where you know,
I try to educate, you know, I do the best
that I can to be able to entertain, educate, and
empower all in one spot. And so you know, I
can tell you this that my first suicidal situation was
at eight years old. My first suicidal attempt, my full attempt,
(12:45):
was at eleven years old. So it's not like I really,
you know, took a huge jump from eight to say
twenty eight. I went from eight to eleven before my
first attempt, So there definitely was something going on.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Shane, I know, I want you to clarify some things
to some of our listeners who I know you touched
on it briefly, but give us a little bit more
details about the difference between depression. I know that's a
general term versus the clinical depression.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Well, you know, clinical depression is well known for the
dread of it all. Like you don't even want to
get up in the morning. You don't want you know,
a lot of people will say, well, a lot of
people don't want to get up in the morning. Well,
what I'm saying is is like you don't want to
live through the day. You don't even want to get
it started, right, It's more than just staying home from
(13:37):
school or staying home from work. You know. Another thing
is is that you do not enjoy the things that
you did before. Like say, for instance, let's say you
enjoy watching football, or in my case, I love playing golf, right,
I mean I played golf when I was very very young,
and then all of a sudden, you just don't have
(14:00):
that liking anymore. You just don't enjoy it anymore. In fact,
you don't enjoy much of anything. You're really kind of
like on a on a dead space. You're kind of
like on an even keel all throughout, you know, so
that there's that and then there's you know, you could
This is where a lot of things people will say, well,
this can happen to a lot of things. Well it's true,
(14:22):
but again, these points of criteria are to show warning
signs like you could gain weight or or lose weight
in a very short period of time. You could have
your life being dictated by that depression. In other words,
like you lose jobs, or you don't go to school,
and therefore you don't you end up having too many
(14:43):
tarties at school and next thing you know, you're gonna
have to do the year over again. You know, there's
there's also those aspects of it too, so you know,
I mean, it's it's much more deeper than just the emotion.
The emotion is something that is on the surface level.
It something that what you'll find, like you'll say, like
your emotional bucket, right, it's when you all of a sudden,
(15:05):
you know, your bucket overflows and next thing you know,
you've got some tears going in your eyes. You got
some upset, and that's going within you. You're deeply upset
or you're deeply saddened, and that is emotional. But when
it comes to clinical depression, you're talking about something that
goes on twenty four to seven, three hundred and sixty
five days out of the year, and that that's even
(15:27):
with the medications that you know that people will prescribe
in order to be able to help you. I mean,
you're still dealing with it. You just find a way
to be able to manage it a little bit differently
if things are going on and even keel.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Right, okay, got it helping people cope with it a
little bit more. But it's an ongoing situation.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Right.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
So you mentioned that you were dealing with your issues
at an early age and did you come to a
conclusion as tool why.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Well, yeah, at age thirty five, you know me, Yeah, honestly,
you know. I mean, because what happened was, here's the thing.
I had a lot of advantages that people don't get
to have. And Laman, I'm sure you can understand this
when I say this. I had two loving parents. Okay,
(16:23):
that's a pretty big thing. This year, right, I didn't
have to asolutely absolutely right, you know. So I didn't
have to worry about a roof over my head. I
never had to worry about food on the table. Christmases
were pretty darn good. You know. My parents made sacrifices
(16:44):
in order for me to get a very good education.
I went to the number six high school in the
country in regards to academics, so I had a lot
of advantages that people don't get to have. Now here's
the thing again, we're not talking about some and that's
on the surface level here. You know, when my mother's
side of the family dealt with alcoholism as well as bipolar,
(17:12):
so there was there was that aspect of things. My
biological father's side also dealt with bipolar, alcoholism and depression.
So it's like, this is something that that is like
does go down through the genetics of what it is
that that we end up with. Now that doesn't mean
that it's always going to end up that way, but
(17:33):
it could certainly be seen as Okay, well that makes
more sense, you know, but yeah, you know, so so
here it is it's like like I said, I mean
I played golf. I mean I love playing golf. I
got two hole in ones one number of different championships,
both individual and team play. You know. I love doing that.
(17:57):
I love playing baseball, love doing all those things. And
in fact, I was on a race car team. My
father was an engine man on a race car team
here in the local area, was a dirt modifi and
we won at eight track championships in thirteen years that
I've been there. And you know, so I had a
lot of things as to where it's like, hey, you
know what the wavelength was hitting the peak versus the valley.
(18:20):
You know, but here's the problem when dealing with my
depression and everything like that, you're not talking about like
for me, it's not like mania. It's not like an
extreme up and then an extreme low. It's really in
regards to just like an even keel. You are flatlined,
so you really don't feel all the highs and you
(18:44):
don't feel all the lows. You don't feel them, but
you're still experiencing them. And that's where people kind of
get a little bit confused because they say, well, if
I'm not feeling them, how am I experiencing them? Like say,
for instance, I also deal with PTSD post traumatic stress
and you know, those who are going through post traumatic
stress disorder, you'll notice that like say, for instance, something
(19:07):
happens and they don't flinch, right, they're not even involved
because they're already on that even keeld. They're already there.
As to where it's like they're in a frame of
mind that isn't allowing them to feel as much. Okay,
And then next thing you know, there's a problem like
(19:28):
all of a sudden, they just make a decision that
they're either gonna, you know, make an attempt to take
their life or they're gonna lash out at somebody just
out of the blue or something in that sense. The
reason is is because even though that you're not feeling
the emotions, they are happening within at the same time anyways,
So you know, this is something that needs to be
understood when it comes to the education point. You know,
(19:52):
just because you're not feeling these things doesn't mean that
you're not experiencing them.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Yes, complex, yeah, very complex. Yeah wow. And that's why
it's so confusing when somebody is dealing with it too,
you know, because the society will give you all the
cliches in the world, the simple answers, when in fact
it is not a simple answer. There is a lot
(20:23):
to it, and that includes when you're taking the medications
and even more so because if you're taking medications in
order to be able to help you and let me
make this very clear, I am not against taking medications.
I believe that medications do have a place, and I
believe that they're to help us regulate ourselves to the
point as to where then we're able to do the work.
(20:43):
In other words, you mentioned coping skills, So that's important
as to where you do to work in order to
utilize your coping skills to be able to help you
a little bit further, to manage it a little bit
different instead of just kind of going through the day
without processing things. So you know, I mean, that's it's
a real deal. It's a very real situation that a
(21:05):
lot of people go through.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yeah, because most people are saying most people think being
depressed is triggered by circumstances, right, like can't find a
job or you know, something going on in their life
that's society and dumped on them and that's the cause
of their depression.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
But.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
It seems like it could be a lot of other
things that plays into that.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Yeah. In fact, those things are on top of what
it is that somebody might be dealing with, so it
really compounds. And so that's why you know you end
up finding that person. Is to where you'll have somebody
like say, for instance, let's say that they make an
attempt at taking their life, or they or at least
(21:54):
they lash out or they get in trouble with the
police or whatever the case may be, and their loved
ones will sit there in those I don't know what
happened or or they'll say, you know, like how did
this happen? Like where did we go wrong? Type of thing,
and they're not realizing that all of life's normal circumstances
(22:14):
that everybody goes through life is not the easiest thing
in the first place. And then put it on top
of something that you're dealing with when you're talking about
clinical depression or any type of mental health challenge, whether
it be bipolar, PTSD, codependency, whatever. On top of that
is life's circumstances, life on life terms, they say, and
(22:35):
it just is added to it. It's not like it's
just kind of replacing it. It's just added to what
it is that we go through.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
You mentioned that you came to terms or realized that
you were having some issues at age at thirty five.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Correct, Yeah, yeah, did.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Something trigger that? Did an incident occur as something trigger
that awake me or cause you to leak out, I
mean seek out for some type of assistance at that point.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Well, in twenty eleven, I low at the end of
twenty eleven, I lost everything that I could lose. And
you know, whether it be my job, whether it be
the girl that I was with, or whether it be
my career or what have you. It was very traumatic
to me and I lost everything, and I knew that
I was in trouble. I knew that I was in
trouble because I had made multiple attempts to take my life.
(23:33):
And one of the things that one of the societies
god to make.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Anybody she looked that would make anybody want to take
their life if they had lost everything.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
They lost that pay yes exactly. And and you know,
going from making just about six figures a year to
wondering where you're going to get your next paycheck, you know,
I mean it was and it was on December twenty third,
you know. Wow. So there was a whole lot that
was going on, and I did. I made an attempt
(24:06):
at taking my life, and as a result, I had
what amounted to a stroke. And so while doing that,
throe the way that I had made the attempt taking
my life, which was with carbon monoxide. I uh, there
are uh side effects that go along with that, and
they are they last for a very long period of time.
(24:29):
So I was sitting there, be honest with you, I
couldn't even get a sentence out. I mean I was
constantly stuttering. I was constantly going through all this thing.
I had tremors going throughout my entire body. They thought
that I.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Carbon monoxide. Are you talking about the car and the
garage with the garage door closed type thing?
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Tight? Something like that. It was. It was with a car.
I was outside and and uh, I actually ingested. I
actually took the hose and put it in my mouth
versus just let it be in the car. Yeah, I
was serious.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
You was serious? Yeah, yeah, well yeah, you were really serious.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Yeah. Absolutely, And you know, so here it is, I'm
having tremors going throughout my body. They thought that I
had Parkinson's even because they thought that it might have
been dormant because you know the way that things were
going on, and they didn't know if it was still
side effects from the carbon monoxide. So I went to
(25:30):
every single, you know, therapy that you could possibly imagine,
whether it be speech therapy, whether it be physical therapy,
whether it be psyche therapy, depression, whatever. I went to
all sorts of different things because I literally had to
put my life on hold in order to learn why
the heck do I think and feel the way that
I do, and I got some I finally got some
(25:54):
answers as I did, started doing the work in that sense,
and you know, then I started realizing it from my
past and everything like this, like you talk about. I'll
give you an example in regards to depression you had mentioned.
You know, what's that like and why is it different?
One of the attempts that I had made, I was
(26:16):
actually two stories high, and I was simply I was
passed out and I was hanging from two stories high
and I fell from two stories high because the banister
gave way, and as I did, I went in between
the two banisters that were the floor down below. And
(26:38):
as I went down between there, I landed on my
head into some tin shelving and the hardwood floor and
knocked out right. I was knocked out, and I woke up,
and I noticed that my glasses were on the floor
and they were in front of me. Now here's the thing,
(27:00):
I said, Damn, my glasses broke. Not not ow Yeah,
not me, you know, not that maybe I broke or
whatever the case may be. You know. So I'm sitting
here and I'm like worrying about my glasses more than anything.
And then I came to realize, you know, it's like, okay,
(27:21):
all right, maybe you broke something, you know, and then
start moving around and everything like that. And I didn't
break anything, but you don't fall like that and don't
get banged up. Now here's the kicker. I ordered a
pizza an hour later. That's how familiar I was with
my pain. That's how familiar I was with the the
(27:44):
circumstances that was going on within me. I was very
familiar with the cycle and to the point is to
where you know what. But I was a survivor too.
I was a fighter. I know that you have a
show called in the Ring. I was. I threw hands
for a while, you know. So it's like that's the
way that I do things. And you know, so I
(28:05):
was a fighter and I was dying at the same time,
and you know, it was it was a hell of
a life that I was going through. I was at
a in the hospital at one point in time, and
I had made the attempt to take my life. And
they they they said, listen, you're awfully comfortable in your depression.
(28:27):
I'm like, I'm saying, I'm like, you got to be
kidding me, right, Like how comfortable can I be if
I'm trying to take myself off of this art, Like, seriously,
how comfortable do you think that I really am? And
at the time, you know, I was a little bit
definitely defiant. And there's an old thing when it comes
to therapy and everything, and that is that feelings aren't facts.
(28:51):
And I would kind of like snap back at them
and I'm like, well, here's a fact for you. I
feel this way, you know. And so they they came
to me and they said, you seem to be really,
you know, comfortable in your depression. So I'm like, okay, check,
please let me the heck out of here. And to
also I wanted to That's when I made the decision
(29:13):
that I was going to go home and I was
going to work on what the what the language of
mental health really is and how to determine how somebody can,
you know, how to relate with somebody with mental health
versus mental wellness, and that was something that was important
to me.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Wow, that's some powerful stuff, Shane. And it's kind of
scary in a sense, man, because there's a lot of
people that's walking around that's dealing with this issue internally,
and people don't know. And you think about the suicide
attempts in America day, and it makes me wonder how
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many of these people had similar issues and not knowing
how to deal with it, and the ones that choose
to take themselves out and ones that choose to take
others out with them.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Indeed, indeed, and you know, that's another thing is is
the fact that you know a lot of people do
think and you have mentioned it is like it's due
to circumstances. It really is not. What it is is
that it's something that they live with. Three hundred and
sixty five days out of the year, somebody will say,
you know, when it comes to suicidality, oh he was weak,
(30:30):
or oh he took the easy way out, or oh
you know it was because of this. In most cases,
when it comes to suicidality, it's something that has been
festering for quite some time. It might be something that
might be for a couple of months, it might be
something that's for a couple of years, it might be
a couple of decades. That comes from when you were
(30:51):
a kid, and everything's just kind of compounding. You know,
there's that aspect of things. It is not easy to
then make the decision take your own life.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
I'll be thinking about it now, just just thinking about
it now, saying that's that's a scary thought, man, because
I love me. I might hurt somebody else, but I'm
not going to hurt me.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Yeah, yeah, it is.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
It's just a scary thought.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Yeah. And you know, and so when somebody is sitting
there and they're making these cliches and these simple these
simple statements, they really don't have a clue with what
the real deal is. And as that's going on, you know, somebody,
The way I explain it to like when it comes
to suicidality is that you kind of go back in
(31:37):
the box. Now, we're both innovators, right, We're both entrepreneurs.
We're both trying to you know, make a dent in
the world. And when we say these things, we say, hey, look,
you know we're going to think out of the box.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Right.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Well, when it comes to suicidality or depression or mental
health in itself, you kind of go falling back into
the box. And I'm not just talking about mental health
health as in like mental illness. I'm also talking about
mental health. As I said, you know, there's a lot
of us that go through this. People who deal with
chronic pain, for instance, people who deal with chronic illness
(32:12):
as well as mental illness deal with this thing. So
you kind of adapt to what the diagnosis is or
what the symptoms are. So you kind of like go
back in the box. Now you're in the smallest thing
that you could possibly imagine, and you're with you, yourself
and you and you're your own worst enemy, and you know,
(32:33):
so next thing, you know, you start asking questions. And
like I said, it's not easy to just make the
decision that you're gonna take yourself out. But here you're
gonna start asking yourself some questions and you're gonna say,
you know, well, won't your parents miss you? Your parents
are gonna miss you. They're gonna they love you so
very much. They're gonna they're gonna be so upset because
you passed away and you did this. And then you
(32:55):
start answering your questions. That's where the problem is because
you start answering questions like the.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Yeah, answering your own questions.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Now you're in trouble because now you're sitting there and
you say, yeah, they will love me and they'll miss
me and everything in that sense, But they won't have
to go through what they've been having to go through
for so many years. They won't have to, you know,
be there while I'm in the hospital. They won't have
to hear how I lost my job. They won't have
(33:25):
to hear how I lost my relationship. They won't have
to you know, I won't be that burden anymore. And
then the next thing would be, well, well, won't your friends,
you know, miss you? And you know, it's like, yeah,
but here's the thing, do they really know me? Because
what they know of me is on the surface. What
(33:46):
they know of me is that happy guy, that that
guy who smiles and who jokes around a lot, and
who does who participates in a lot of different things.
That's who they know. They don't know what's deep down
inside in the darkness. So yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Tears of a clown where you laugh and smiling on
the outside but crying and hurting on the inside.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
You got it. You got it. And that's what a
lot of people deal with. And you know, and what
I try to do is whether it be through my
as an individual, whether it be a life improvement coach,
or whether it be a motivational speaker or whether it
be through the speaking of hard podcast network, is that
I try to identify with what people are are going
(34:33):
through through my own experiences, and in doing that, I
now know how to help them because I know what
helped me and while that was working, now I can
utilize my empowerment skills to be able to bring them
to another level so that they can see that they
can be more than the challenges that they face, even
(34:53):
though they might be going through some stuff.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
And truly that makes you a great speaker. And people
tend to listen more to people that can actually talk
from their actual experiences versus those that got it out
of a book. Right, I mean they can hear they
can hear you, they can hear your struggle, they can
hear your pain, they can hear your sincerity. I mean
(35:19):
they know that you know what you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Right.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
That's that's why I've got the audience that I have
is because of my transparency. It's not believe me, it's
not because I went to school for this craziness, you
know what I mean. It's like I didn't go to
school in order to build a podcast network. I didn't
go to I didn't even go to broadcasting, you know
what I mean, It's like I was going to be
a lawyer. That was by intent. I was going to
(35:47):
be a lawyer at some point in time.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
I guess we both came in from the left field
because it definitely wasn't my attention to do this either, right, that.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Just happened to be good at it, you know, I mean.
And then next thing, you know, it's like I started
getting my audience because I was being transparent, because I
was able to say, hey, look, yeah I've made some
left hand turns in my life, and yeah I've gone
through some stuff and I can talk to you about
it so that you can understand that I can identify
(36:20):
with what you're going through. And you know, and while
you realize that I understand it now now I can
help you and you know, but at the same time,
I'm also you know, I'm a hardcore too, because I'm
not going to sit there and just let you be stuck.
I'm not just going to sit there and let you
justify why it is or validate why it is that
(36:40):
you think and feel the way that you feel, because
that's really not my purpose. My purpose isn't to validate
who it is that you are. My purpose is to
help you realize that you're more than the challenges that
you face and to take you to another level. That's
what it is that I that I do. So when
people sit there and they say, oh, well, you don't understand,
and sometimes the answer is, I'm not meant to understand.
(37:04):
I'm not meant to understand what it is that you're
going through. I'm meant to be able to help you
process through it so that we can now leave it
behind like a snake skin, leave it behind so that
you can then go up to another level and you
can start doing what it is that you are meant
to do versus what it is that you feel like
or what you may merely be existing to do.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Right, Shane, they tell me that you've lived in sixteen states.
I mean, what's that about.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
That was all about trying to find a place to fit, man,
I mean that that was really all it was. It
was always trying to find you know, whether it be
through my mental illness. And I also dealt with addiction,
you know, so addiction was something that kind of like
was very familiar to go right along with the feelings
that I was having, you know, when it came to,
(37:57):
you know, finding that that release, that outlet to be
able to deal with some of the stuff that was
being thought and fell through me, you know. And so
in dealing with those those challenges and life on life
terms as they are, you know, I mean I've dealt
with I was actually I was sexually assaulted three times.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Yeah, an Ashy, Are we talking about drug addiction, food addiction,
sexual addiction? What type of addiction?
Speaker 3 (38:26):
I was speaking of anything but drugs and alcohol? Really,
I mean I loved what I liked, you know what
I mean. It's like whether it be sports. I never
thought that, you know, liking statistics and sports was going
to leave me in a sports gambling. I never, you know,
thought that the you know, I thought everybody loved sex
(38:47):
the way that I did. Apparently I'm a little bit
more than what some might think, you know, you know.
And then there's you know, or how about the little
things like just like being reckless sometimes you know it's
like you left your you left your wallet, uh in
your in your car and you know your car is unlocked, okay,
(39:08):
and then you go ahead and you take the gamble
that is going to be there because you're not going
to go back to your car. Instead, You're gonna go
do what you're gonna do, and oh, it'll be there later,
you know, when when I get back, you know, those
types of things. I mean, it was just, you know, certainly, uh,
you know, not a well mined uh when it came
to those types of things. And I had to go
(39:31):
through a twelve step program in order to be able
to learn a little bit more, learn that, you know what,
I wasn't a piece of garbage like I thought that
I was, and like society might have thought that I
was because of me being an addict and from that
that term, you know, and I was dealing with some
stuff and I had to learn that, you know, I
had a process through some stuff and and after doing that,
(39:53):
I started learning a little bit. And be quite honest
with you, what I utilized to be able to help
others certainly does go along with my experiences as well
as twelve step as well as what I call the
optimal frame of mind.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
And I think the hard part a lot of people
know that there's an issue that exists and they need help.
But I guess the hard part is taking that other
step and actually going out and trying to do something
about it. Yeah, yeah, I mean it kind of makes
me wonder, It kind of makes you one or too
shame because you know, there you hear about a lot
(40:30):
of people that that's they're attempting suicide, but they do
what is it suicide by police or something where they
create a situation to have somebody else do it, which
is actually the same thing. And it kind of makes
me wonder, are some of these people still dealing with
some of these other depression issues, even the ones that
(40:53):
going to Walmart someplace and starts shooting up the place.
And it makes you think these other people are innocent,
They have nothing to do with nothing. Now, what would
create a situation in one's head that would make them
want to go and do that? And then you listen
to the news. They got all this big stuff about,
(41:14):
you know, taking guns out of the market and going
after the people that sell guns. Don't sell guns, don't
sell guns. But then you know, I come from Texas
to where I grew up, shouldn't be because in twenty
two then I've never seen you know, you heard a
guy say, we've never seen a gun pick itself up
and go shoot somebody. So then it makes you think
(41:34):
about why aren't they putting more focus on the people
they may have issues that go out and do these things.
I'm trying to see, you know, I don't know if
my question is making sense, but it seems.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
Like, oh no, it's making sense. It's something. I mean,
it's a trending topic now right. I mean, it's definitely
a trending topic, and I can actually talk to you
about it in something that you would understand and a
little bit as well, you know. I mean, here's the thing,
a mental somebody who's dealing with depression, somebody who's dealing
(42:11):
with mental health. They do not need a gun. They
don't need a gun. They don't need a gun for themselves,
they don't need a gun for anybody else or any
protection wise or anything like that, because it really is
something that could be an issue. Now here's the bottom
line when it comes to the news and everything in
this sense, it is so over dramatized in everything in
(42:32):
that sense, and that is that, Okay, we have a
shooting here, So what do we do. First thing that
they do is they start to look and see if
they have a mental health diagnosis, see if they're taking medication.
See I there to see if they have a psychiatrist,
see if they have a history of mental health. That's
the first thing that they do. Now here's the reality
of the situation. The majority of people who deal with
(42:56):
mental health are likely to hurt themselves before they'll hurt
anybody else. And when I say the majority, I'm talking
like ninety eight percent. Okay, now here's the situation that
that happens when it comes to mental health. And I can,
I can actually go along with what it is that
you're saying. You're from Texas, You've you've had the familiarity
(43:20):
of with having a gun to be begun, whatever the
case may be, for forever right now. I had the
opportunity in order to be able to work with Marjorie
Stoneman Douglas and Marjorie Stoneman Douglas was the school that
was in Florida that unfortunately had seventeen deaths due to
(43:41):
a mass shooting. And the young man that was the
shooter dealt with mental health like in a big, big way,
And it was very very evident, you know what I mean,
There was no question about it. He had problems with
his anger issues. He definitely, I mean, it's never they
(44:02):
won't say because of hippo violation or anything in that sense.
He definitely has, you know, some symptoms of what would
be like autism or something in that sense, and a
high spectrum, but he also deals with obvious anger issues
and so forth, I mean constantly, and yet he was
able to get multiple guns and ammunition. Now's who is
(44:29):
you know, responsible for this? First of all, he is,
that's number one. Second of all, the person who's selling
the gun definitely should have some ownership. Now here's the thing.
There was multiple, multiple times as to where cops were
(44:49):
called in on this particular person for a number of
different reasons. That should have been in the list somewhere
that would have been very easy to pick up, you
know when they go ahead and they put in their
driver's license number or their or their social Security number
or something in that sense, but for whatever reason, they
kept on following through the cracks. Now, do I personally
(45:11):
think that everybody in the world needs a gun? No?
Do I think that there are way too many guns
in the country as is, And do I think that
there are people out there that have guns that really
don't really need them and really should not have them. Yes,
I believe that there's way too many out there and
so forth. Do I believe that people have the right
to protect themselves, Yes, I do, so I kind of
(45:34):
play the middle of the field, all right. I'm not
a black and white type of guy. But you know,
bottom line is is that mental health is thought about
on the surface level. It's not thought about on the
on the deep level. Because if it's on the deep level,
well then guess what. Now we've got issues because we
(45:54):
have situations as to where pharmaceutical companies you know, are
going to be called in question. Now we've got situations
when we've got hospitals that are going to be called
in question, We've got therapists that are going to be
called in question. There's gonna be a lot of different
things that are going to come along that people don't
really want the answers to quite frankly, so you know
what I mean. So what we're doing is is that
(46:15):
we're now finding out that hey, you know what, this
person's going through some stuff. Well, why didn't we know
that before? Like seriously, why wasn't that seen before? Because
I guarantee it was seen, it was just overlooked or
it was looked the other way.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
And that's what that second part. Yeah, that that's second
part because.
Speaker 3 (46:37):
Of the dollar. Yeah, it's looked the other way, or
it's that, or you know what, it's also the fact
of our individualistic society that's out there too. You know what,
if it's not if it's not dealing with me, then
I'm all right, you know what I mean. It's like
as well as I don't have to deal with it,
life's good. I got enough problems in my life. I've
got enough things that I go through. I got enough
(47:00):
and all that. Here's the bottom line though, when it
comes to mental health, one out of every four or
five people in our country deal with a mental health challenge. Now,
whether or not that they want to look at it
or not, that's a totally different scenario. But the reality
is one out of every four or five people deal
(47:20):
with mental health or they know somebody who deals with
mental health. Think about how many packs of four or
five people that you know, Lamont, and then you start
realizing how big of an issue that we really have here.
And so yeah, right, I mean even in a decent
sized family, you've got at least one or two, you know,
(47:42):
I mean for sure.
Speaker 2 (47:43):
And they're a look and they're in shane. They're in denial.
Speaker 3 (47:47):
Yeah, always right exactly, you know. And that's another thing.
That's why I say, you know, we do need to
take ownership. We do need to take ownership about what
it is that we're going through and everything in that.
The problem is is that people aren't like getting them
to sit down and say, hey, look, we really think
that this is the problem, and then you know, and
(48:09):
being able to have somebody say okay, yeah, maybe you know,
and then kind of learning what's going on. Listen. I
was thirty five years old when I had to take
myself out of my world, you know what I mean.
I may it's because I finally just had enough. I mean,
obviously I was willing to take myself out numerous numerous times,
(48:31):
but I finally came to the to the point is
to where I needed to know the answers. I needed
to know why it is that I was thinking and
feeling the way that I was. And then all of
a sudden, the education was there. All of a sudden,
you know, I started learning as to what this is
all about. Like think about codependency, for instance, I was
totally ignorant to codependency one time, I was in in
(48:53):
a group session and I was teaching somebody how to
do goal setting right. And it was coming from again
one of my experiences of failure right because I would always,
you know, I would set my goal to G. I
would go from A to G right because I would say, well,
I can make D easy and I can you know,
I can stretch myself to F. So let's make the
(49:15):
goal G. That means I'll reach outside of what it is.
And I'm mail by. I was always in personal development,
even when I was very young. I just didn't feel
it the way that they did. I wanted to, but
I didn't feel it. So I would go ahead and
I would set my goal to G. So I'm sitting
here in this in this group session, and I'm teaching
people how to do goal setting right because I finally
(49:36):
figure it out. You know, you got to go from A, B, C, D,
you know. And the reasons why, well, it happened to
be that the director of the program was substituting for
the supervisor at the time, and she was sitting there
and she was just watching me. And you know how
like your mother just like watches you. You know, it's
like and you know she knows something that you don't know. Well,
(50:01):
she was sitting there and she was just watching me,
and I said what And she goes, do you know
what codependency is? And I said, well, why would I
Why are we talking about codependency. I'm very independent, Like
I'm a very independent person. I've lived in sixteen states
in this country. I've done a whole lot of And
she's just like, oh, Shane, like you really don't know.
(50:24):
And so I was looking at her with my head
to the side, and I'm like, what don't I know?
And so I went home and I started reading about
codependency and next thing I know, Lamont, I started realizing
where a whole lot of my pain was and in
regards to codependency. And I was always a rescuer, and
I was rescuing everybody, and at the same time, I
(50:46):
was rescuing the people that weren't ready to be rescued,
you know, and it was creating a whole lot of pain.
So this is the thing. If you're not really working
on what works, if you're really not working on you
know what it's going to help you, then you are
just going to continue on throughout life. Because whether or
(51:06):
not that you are thinking about suicide, idality or not.
It's not easy to take yourself off this earth without
you know, unless unfortunately you would have the medical means
of being the situation. But you know, the bottom line
is is that we there's a lot of people out
there that are suffering. There's a lot of people that
just go through life on a daily basis and really
(51:27):
don't know why. Wow.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
Which brings about another question for me is because what
I'm well, not so much a question, but the statement
what I'm hearing is that change is not really going
to come about until you make a conscious decision that
you're ready to change. But that doesn't even come until
you honest with yourself and recognize that there is a problem.
(51:53):
Would you agree with that?
Speaker 3 (51:55):
Yeah? Absolutely, Yeah, because like you, like you mentioned, you know,
they're in denial, and it's like, yeah, they are, because
that's what society will teach us to do, you know.
I mean, it will tell us like say, for instance,
if you sit there and you you tell somebody, listen,
you got to get over it. You got to get
over you know, whatever you're depressed about, whatever that is,
(52:16):
you got to get over it, you know, because you're
going to lose your job or you're going to lose
your family. You know, I talk about it through a statement.
I kind of talk about through a concept called water
on a grease fire. And water on a grease fire
is something that relates to the relationship between the person
who is dealing with some challenges and the loved ones
(52:40):
that are trying to help them. And you know, when
we were younger and everything like that, we had you know,
fire safety and fire prevention and then all that, right,
we had those weeks at school and stuff, and they
teach us about, you know, fire and they would tell us,
you know that water is a pretty good thing when
fire is around, and you know, but the thing is
(53:04):
is that when we're talking about a grease fire, well
that's not really a good thing at all, is it.
And so what I'm talking about is water on a
grease fire. What happens is is that somebody will be
a loved one or something and they're they're they're just
trying to help a person. I've noticed that through you know,
just the average person that's out there. You know, human nature,
(53:27):
you know, we don't want somebody to fail or fall, right,
because if somebody falls, what happens, somebody tries to catch you, right,
and you know what I mean. So that's go ahead.
Speaker 2 (53:40):
I know I just said that in most instances, someone
to try to help you.
Speaker 3 (53:44):
But yeah, right, you're not earlier.
Speaker 2 (53:46):
Today about this individualistic society. Have some people are walk
by and just look at you and say, oh, you
fail down.
Speaker 3 (53:53):
Yeah that's true. I've been there too, trust me. I'm
talking about Yeah, I'm talking about hopefully the good ones, right,
you know, are gonna well you try to you know,
you're talking about your loved ones. Your loved ones are
going to like try to catch you right from from
falling into an abyss. So that's what it is that
we do. And you know, I mentioned the fact that
I used to throw hands, and I talk about this
(54:14):
is that if you are now you know you're you're
the manager and I'm the fighter, right okay, and you
your loved one of mine. And so you know that
I've prepared for this fight and I've been ready to
go and I'm really looking forward to win in this fight.
And you know what it is the sacrifices that I
made and everything in that sense, and I'm sitting there
(54:36):
and I'm in the fight and then all of a
sudden boom, I end up on the canvas. Now, you
as my manager, what's the very first thing that you're
going to say? Get your ass up, Get your ass
up right exactly. Now here's the thing you didn't necessarily
see what put me down. But the thing is is
that you're looking at it from the managers standpoint. You're
(54:58):
looking at it. It's like, damn, Shane, you you got
hit by much worse the last fight, or you got
hit by more than that before.
Speaker 2 (55:05):
You know, it's like.
Speaker 3 (55:07):
These punches, Get up right exactly, So like what the
hell are you doing on the on the ground? Get
your ass up. Well, the problem is is that you
didn't see that short right that hit my chin, you know,
before the left hit my jaw right, So you saw
the left, you saw the left that put me down,
but you didn't see the right, the short right. And
(55:29):
it's always the short ones right, it's always the short
ones that clip you. They always clip you and you're
next thing. You know, it's like, oh you know, you're
you're like where am I type of thing. So you
didn't see that short right that clipped my chin. Now
here's the thing you're telling me to get my ass up.
So now you're just like society. You're telling me that, hey, look,
(55:51):
you've been hit harder before. I've been hit harder before. Right.
You know, it's like you're sitting there and now you're
making it personal and you're saying, listen, you gotta get up.
You gotta do what you need to do because you've
done everything that you can in order to be able
to win this fight. You want to do this, and
you we're doing this for you, right And next thing
you know, I start trying to get up. But here's
(56:13):
the thing. I don't have my legs underneath me anymore.
Right now, you have experience in boxing, that's not a
very good thing because you're either going to go down
again or you're gonna go down hard in that.
Speaker 2 (56:29):
Way, Yeah, real hard, just that right exactly.
Speaker 3 (56:33):
You know, it's like Wilder is about ready to wind
up that left that is going to knock the hell
and you're not fury okay, It's like you're staying down.
And that's what water on a grease fire is. Everything
that we know as instinct to be able to help
somebody not fail or fall really works against us when
(56:54):
it comes to that relationship because we're sitting there and
we're telling you, listen, you don't understand. I'm not just
dealing with an emotion of depression. I'm dealing with dread.
I'm not actually having suicidal thoughts. I'm actually not wanting
to live anymore. I'm actually not wanting to be this anymore,
you know. And next thing you know, you're sitting there
(57:15):
and saying, you got to you gotta get over this,
you got to get better, you gotta do this, you
gotta do this, you gotta do this. And next thing
you know, you're creating that void. You're creating that void
to be bigger and worse and darker than what it's
ever been before. And that's really what society does, is
a proponent of is to you know, hey, look, this
(57:35):
is what you've got to tell your son, this is
what you've got to tell your daughter in order to
make sure that they don't just you know, don't either
number one, don't don't just go on disability or don't
just go to a therapist. You know, they're still working.
They need to be working, they need to be doing
this and being ridiculed and everything in that sense, even
from you know, from our political standpoint or from you know,
(57:59):
a family stamp point, or whatever the case may be.
That's what will happen. And you know, next thing, you know,
somebody is going to start hiding that they're going through
some stuff and that's where you find out. Hey, you
know what, it's not a good situation, you know.
Speaker 2 (58:14):
So, Shane, Shane, I don't want to cut you off
and listen, we down to the last minute and a
half of the show, and I want you to give
my listeners the opportunity to come look you up and
come check you out on your show.
Speaker 3 (58:27):
Well, listen, first of all, I want to say thank
you for the opportunity in order to be on your show.
I really do appreciate it. Love to have you on
our show at some point in time. Actually, you know,
it's real, real simple. I am Shane Schultz. You can
find me on Facebook. It's Shane Schultz Speaking to the Heart.
And that is because I own the Speaking of the
Heart podcast network, where I have eight different shows that
(58:50):
are designed to help people reach outside of what it
is that's a're ailed by. You know, I actually do promote,
or I should say I actually do produce each show.
I actually have developed each show. So there is a
reason why it is that I have somebody on my network.
They don't just get on my network for any particular
reason outside of what it is that's going to help
(59:12):
my audience, you know. So I have a number of
different shows that are there. If the website is speaking
to the Heart dot org. We also have a digital
toolbox which is called easy Card, and what that'll do
is that you do easy card dot com forward, slash
the number two and the word heart, and that'll get
(59:33):
you all linked up to what it is that we
do on on your desktop. And if you're listening to
us on cell phone or any mobile device you can
go to, you can go ahead and do a call text,
so you text six four six zero zero, and then
in the text, you go ahead and you type the
number two and the word heart, and you're linked with
(59:55):
us with everything that we got, so you know, I mean,
we've got shows that are in regards to to motivation.
We've got shows that in regards to healthy humor. We've
got shows that are regards to nutrition, meditation, we got shows.
We just did a show that we started call Probably Served,
which is for the military service community, not only the
(01:00:18):
military servicemen and women, but also the components of in
which include like your family, your parents as well as
your children that are involved in that. You know, so
we know what a lot of things that are going
on out there and we're there to help. So it's
all about entertainment, education and empowerment all in one spot.
Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
Thank you so much, Shane, and we're definitely going to
look forward to having you back with us again and
appreciate you. And for those that join the show late,
it'll be available in its entirety worldwide and one minute,
so you can't say you didn't hear it. Ask your mama,
ask your daddy, ash your neighbor, ask the milkman. Somebody
take you where you can hear this show and we'll
be back next week. Thank you very much, have a
(01:01:01):
blessed week. Kind of player player out
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