April 24, 2024 • 33 mins
Lace up your vibranium suits, folks, because this week on "Can I Ask You Something?", hosts Alex and Justice are delving into the heart of Wakanda. In this vibing episode, titled "The One About Black Panther," we celebrate the dazzling universe of "Black Panther."
Our hosts dissect the movie's profound resonance within the Black community, exploring themes of Afrofuturism and representation in STEM fields. 🚀🌍 They applaud the meticulous attention to detail and the powerful statements woven throughout the film. 🎬👑
The discussion also honors the legacy of Chadwick Boseman, reflecting on the deep emotional impact of his work and untimely passing. 😢💫Wrap up your visit by sharing your thoughts with us—Alex and Justice are all ears for your feedback! Tune in, get inspired, and let's keep the conversation going.
They’re just scratching that surface—all with a sprinkle of humor 😂 because, let's face it, sometimes you have to laugh to keep from crying. SayWHA Radio Network is at it again with ANOTHER podcast? Buckle up, because if we're stirring the pot, you bet it’s gonna be good! 🎧 Listen, learn, laugh, and maybe even challenge how you think about the world around you.
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Our hosts dissect the movie's profound resonance within the Black community, exploring themes of Afrofuturism and representation in STEM fields. 🚀🌍 They applaud the meticulous attention to detail and the powerful statements woven throughout the film. 🎬👑
The discussion also honors the legacy of Chadwick Boseman, reflecting on the deep emotional impact of his work and untimely passing. 😢💫Wrap up your visit by sharing your thoughts with us—Alex and Justice are all ears for your feedback! Tune in, get inspired, and let's keep the conversation going.
They’re just scratching that surface—all with a sprinkle of humor 😂 because, let's face it, sometimes you have to laugh to keep from crying. SayWHA Radio Network is at it again with ANOTHER podcast? Buckle up, because if we're stirring the pot, you bet it’s gonna be good! 🎧 Listen, learn, laugh, and maybe even challenge how you think about the world around you.
Don't forget to whip up some love for this episode by following on Instagram, and while you're at it, sauté your way over to our SayWHA Shop to grab some sizzling merch for all SayWHA Radio Network Podcasts: SayWHA Shop. 🛍️🎙️
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Should I ask you something? Sentit by Say What Radio? Here we
go go. I don't know aboutyou, but I never saw our conversations
as uncomfortable. I had the understandingof, well, if he's asking,
is he's wanting the truth, whetherit's uncomfortable or actually, don't hit him
upside the head. It is whatit is, he acts for it.
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I don't know. I think theuncomfortableness comes from kind of the whole idea
behind this podcast is like, Idon't know if it's okay if I ask
this and not is my question okay? But is me asking the question going
to be perceived as okay? Saywhat? Hello? I'm Justice, one
of the hosts of this podcast andfounder of Say What Radio Network. I
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wanted to kick this off by sayingthanks again for going on this journey.
You could be anywhere else, butyou're here with us. This episode was
recorded recorded earlier and talk about pastevents, but the discussion is show worth
listening to. Chiming in on socialmedia, sharing with friends and others,
and please forgive our mic quality.As we were trying to get our setup
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straight for this passion project, wewanted to bring into reality without further ado
here is can I ask you something? All right? All right, all
right, welcome back to another episodeof Can I Ask that? We've got?
Lovely needs no introduction, Justice onthe line, just to stick about
virtual bow, please virtue, thankyou, thank you, and I am
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I am the newbie al and forthose of you that's the joined us on
our last episode that was not formatwe really talked about for the show at
all, but put a good glimpseinto our friendship and what we talked about.
You'll have to rewind and watch thelast episode that finds out. But
really the theme of this episode iswe're gonna focus more on what we talked
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about here, and the idea isI've got a question that I don't know
if a lot of white people arecomfortable asking people of color. Justice and
I have a great relationship, strongfriendship, as you've heard on some of
the previous episodes. So I'm gonnaask the question Justice. I want first,
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I want to say all of thesay what radio branding. I don't
know if there's a bigger fan thanme, and we've we've gone through the
years talking about this. I thinkI've listened to every episode that is available
and some undercover episodes that are onlyfor certain years to hear. I've heard
a lot of the show. Beena big fan of jewels and cool black
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nerd and everything that's about. Andwhat's so funny to me is like most
of the stuff we're talking about onhere, I wouldn't say is my thing.
I'm not into gaming. I'm notreally into tech, but I appreciate
your passion for it and the restof the saywork radio crew, and I
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love hearing y'all talk about your passions, right, and that's the entertainment,
that's the piece. One of thethings that you and I had talked a
lot about is movies, Right,We've talked and most of the time you
bring it up and say, oh, have you seen this one? And
you get disappointed every time I say, no, no, I haven't seen
it. But one of the moviesthat I one of the movies I have
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seen that I've really grown to appreciateis the Black Panther series. And I'm
not a superhero action movie kind ofguy. Really, I generally like dumb
comedies, so this is not inmy wheelhouse. But I felt connected to
it, and there was a lotof hype that you had built up around
it, right, I think beforeI've never seen either of them, and
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a lot of backstory that you hadto fill me in on. So it's
like after I saw it, waslike, oh, I get that.
Now. Here's my question though.When Black Panther came on the scene,
it took over. It was biggermovie then I think I was expecting.
And so my question is why didblack people love Black Panther so much?
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And I think a lot of peoplehave this question a lot. So there
are other movies that have come outfor superheroes of color. You had Shang
Tea that came out and it didn'thit with the same level for well,
it was a big movie and itmade a lot of money, but it
didn't hit with the same kind oflike cultural phenomena. You had Blue Beetle
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recently, which was I, letyou know, superhero same thing. I
don't actually I do not know ifit actually made a lot of money,
and that that just maybe superhero fatiguein general. Yeah, I haven't heard
of that one. Yeah. Hell, even Wonder Woman when it came out,
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you know, female led, femaledirector, it still did not hit
with that level of just taking overlike it did. I want to you
know, Barbie's probably come close toit, even though it did probably make
more money than it did with youknow, with justin forr inflation and all
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the rest of that. I stilldon't think it it overcame what people were
like at that time, back intwo thousand, I believe it's seventeen.
And one reason is at the time, well not at the time, just
in general. Black Panther was thevery first superhero in Marvel comments that was
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intelligent. He was. He's actuallythe most wealthy superhero in Marvel Comics,
out doing Tony Stark and others.People don't know that because he sits on
vibranium, which is the most rareelement within that universe. So he also
is very articulate and he knows alot of things. And there's lineage,
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and one of the biggest things isyou have this afro futuristic society that is
just steeped in history, and it'skind of like feeling like this is what
we could be, this is whatthis is what we could aspire to be.
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There's a real don't know how tosay this other than just to say
it, but there's a real voidthat you feel sometimes as a black person
in America not really knowing where youcome from. And it isn't a pity
thing or whatever. It just itjust it's just there, kind of like
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having the keys to a house thatyou know where it is, just don't
necessarily I mean, you don't knowwhere it is necessarily you just don't know
how to get there, or youknow where the house is, you don't
have the keys to it, soto speak. Either way, Yeah,
yeah, go ahead. Sorry,because you have some people that are like,
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you know, we'll go back toyour own country, okay, And
then you have people from that countryand they're like, we don't want you
here either. So you see BlackPanther and it's just like, you know,
it's fiction, you know, it'sreally not real, but it's just
like, okay, well, thisis somewhere where I could I exists.
Maybe if you know the world wasa different place, this is where I
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could be. This is the waylife could be. And you just feel
it in your bones, and it'sa real sense of pride and history and
you just it's a sense of home, so to speak, or what you
would think that necessarily feels like forthat because you you always hear people and
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they're like, oh, you know, I'm Irish, or hell African people,
I'm Nigerian, or I'm Cicilian orwhatever. You can't really just said,
well fuck it, I'm texting right, you know? So and so
God the idea of like the afrofuturismterm, when you said that, that
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really hit So. I remember whenI first started breaking into like this corporate
DEI work that were doing, westarted talking about representation and it was a
real sticking point for me early onbecause I just I didn't get it.
I never I never had to worryabout representation because I always had plenty of
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it wherever I wanted, you know, that whole adage of maybe do whatever
you want. And I could lookaround and I'd see people that look like
me, and I never questioned,like is that something I could be?
Right? It was just like amI interested in it? And do I
want to do it? So themore I started to learn about representation and
how important that is for kids,especially to see someone that looks like them
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and something that they're interested in,it something they could aspire to. What
would you say that after futurism isI guess a fictionalized version of that or
a real version of that fiction totally, especially when it comes to Stem,
because the entire society in that movieis based on technology, but if you
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look at the whole landscape of Stem, you you know, barely see people
of color or you know, blackpeople within it. So seeing that entire
society being able to cloak themselves andbe like, oh, well, we're
just you know, humble people andthey've basically built this in the entire society
and been able to keep all ofthis wealth to themselves for years is very
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enticing. But also it's scary.It's like, if you knew you could
do that, would you do that? So that's another thing that's fascinating about
it. But I think one ofthe because he is a absolutely dynamic character,
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the villain in the movie. Ithink that's another reason why, because
there's a lot of people it doesn'thave to be black people, but people
in general who kind of sympathize withhim. Yeah, there's a line in
there right before he dies and thatjust gets you where he's just like,
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putting my body in the sea soI can be with my ancestors who knew
that death was a relief rather thanliving in slavery. And it's just like
and I'm you know, I'm paraphrasingnecessarily what he said. But when he
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said that and then he removed thestaff from his body and you know,
just killed over, it was justlike, oh my god. I remember
saying saying in the theater when Ifirst saw because I had tears on my
eyes, just the entire scene priorto that, you know, them having
to fight it out, and thenhim you know, seeing the sunset and
everything, but then him saying,I'm like, I can't believe he actually
said that. One, that's alot of things that they do not teach
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you in school. And then twothat is just like you know, you
you've heard I've heard that so manytimes over the years from elders, black
elders usually, and it's just like, damn, like he actually said that
in front a mixed company life forreal, right, So man, yeah,
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and I so, I mean allthese things you're saying, I can
I can hear it, I canunderstand it, and I can get where
you're coming from. But like thethe cultural phenomenon that it had, I
think also is is what really gotmy attention early on it because I didn't
know the movie was coming out andand I went an embarrassing amount of time
before seeing it. It's not superuncommon for me, but like when I
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see, you know, Lebron,who I don't He's not my favorite.
I don't love Lebron, But whenI see him doing the Wakanda forever and
crossing his arms like that, like, we can't underestimate how how big something
like that is. And it wasn'tjust him, it was it was everywhere.
And so I mean kudos to theteam for making the movie the way
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they did. Right, it wasobviously took their time. Obviously, Chadwick,
there's no better person that could havebeen Black. Oh you brought up,
You brought up the team. Soyou have the movie, you have
the subject matter, you have thesource material, which was already something that
was if you didn't know about thesource material prior to that, because a
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lot of people probably would have putit off and just like, oh it's
a comic book, Oh it's forkids. It's not really that big of
a poignant detail within our history.But you put it on the big screen.
Now it's out there and it's madethis real. It's larger than life
now and it was brought to lifeby these people who, as you said,
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looked at every single detail within it, from the costumes to the makeup,
to the sound, to the colors. There is a theme within the
movie, and I didn't recognize ituntil they actually were talking about it because
I saw them making of the film. When they're in like some sort of
underground casino and T'Challa is accompanied bytwo of his guards, which are women
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again another thing, Yeah, avery powerful statement, are flanked by him,
and if you look at the waythat they're flanked, they represent different
colors. One has on red,he has on black, and the other
has on green. And when Ididn't recognize that while I was watching it,
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I remember thinking, like, thecolor palette throughout the movie is gorgeous,
but looking at it, he waslike, you know, this represents
you know, the you know that, the dichotomy of the again, the
afrocentricness, the you know, Africa, Homeland, all of that, and
I was just like, oh mygod, none of that made sense to
me at the time, but itwas just like, yeah, but every
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single thing within it made a statement. And as you said, the women
being his guard's powerful statement, theway that he actually showed himself as Black
Panther. Even though he was shownin Civil War as Black Panther still did
not compare to how he came outas Black Panper in this movie with the
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trumpets and everything. And it wasjust like, wow, I remember him
jumping on that car and using theenergy that was a you know, shot
at him, he absorbed it andpushed it into the car and then he
flipped off of it, and Iwas just like, what that tell TONI
could never but all of that.And again, when you know me,
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I've always been a big superhero person. Seeing that just lit up. But
as a kid, and it's crazynot to think about it now, but
the nephews who are now teenagers,when they were like that, all they
that was all they wanted to Challais to Challa that. And even now
they see that as like a sourceof strength and pride and stuff that they
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can go to, whereas before itgoddamn wrestling wrestling mean a wrestling people.
It's just like, oh my god, But that was what they watched,
that was what they knew. Soyou see this now and you realize that
that stuff does make a difference,it does matter, and that's why everybody
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wanted to push it out there,see it, show it. So you
had Lebron, as you said,putting it out there, and the cast
was amazing. And knowing now thatliterally Chadwick was a superhero. The man
had stage four colon cancer going throughall of this and was doing a lot
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of his own stunts yep. Ontop of like every movie he did,
let's say, in those past whatfive years was powerful? I mean just
from a society standpoint, powerful.He played the dopest characters. He got
fully into character like that, thatdude is a superhero. Yeah, yeah,
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outside, Yeah, you know whatI noticed. You always like to
point out these funny things you knowabout me, like, hey, whenever
you bring this up, your voicedoes this or whatever. I notice every
time I bring up Lebron James,I have to clarify and maybe this is
just a Chicago thing that he's notmy favorite, because I don't want anybody
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mixing it up thinking I'm saying anythingother than that. I'm just pointing out,
is nobody nobody ever asks that oreven hints at it or throws win
to it or anything. You justlike, you know, Lebron's not my
favor and where did where did thatcome from? Man? Does I feel
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like at any of the moment,any moment bending the bull is going to
be looking over my shoulder just givingme the looky like not you man,
you you saw such championships. Idigress. I say all that to say,
you have that as kind of likeit's the quintessential like picture showing that
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this is where we could go,this is what we could be. And
it, as I said, kindof it's chicken suit for the soul type
thing for a void that is there, especially since a lot of the media
and stuff that is out there canbe very disheartening. It's like, I
mean, these are powerful movies.They're they're great and everything, but they
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really do depict hard life, youknow, like boys in the Hood,
minister Society and all the rest ofthat. And it's just like that that's
wonderful and everything, But where's thegreatness of all that stuff? I love
coming to America? And that's thereason why people do like seeing it because
you want to see the MOUNDA whilewe kind of was the mounda yeah,
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yeah, And I think because ofall those factors we talked about, like
they made that movie like bulletproof,right, whether you get all of these
references that you're talking about or youjust see it for like this this badass
movie, you're gonna see it andyou're going to appreciate it. Yeah,
And I don't know what time frameis and you know when things came out
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of record or whatever. But likethe kids like to watch one of the
Spider Man shows. It's a it'sa cartoon Spidey and his Amazing Friends,
I believe is the name of it. And Black Panther is a regular on
this show, likes he's I thereconstantly, and I never had any exposure.
Again, didn't grow up in comicbooks or anything, but I didn't
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have exposure. I didn't know anythingabout Black Panther until this blockbuster movie was
coming out. Now they're they're gettingto see that, and it's it's opening
up opportunities for conversations. I'm notlaying all of this on them right now,
but it's laying some groundwork, andit gives me a frame of reference
to come back to, right,Like, hey, think about Black Panther,
right and some of the struggles hehad and in these episodes, And
as silly as that sounds, Ithink those things are the things that build
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over time. Mm hmm. Yeah, everybody is amazing for this. That's
the one with like they're like thekids or whatever. Right, yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah, Ithink I think that was new. I
think so too. Yeah, Idon't know. My oldest is six tomorrow.
Shout out to Gracie, Happy birthdaytomorrow. But you know they're they're
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showing up on Disney Plus and andthat's kind of where they get that exposure
to it. So it all tiesat all times in right, mm hmm.
Yeah. Yeah, It's it's crazyhow it doesn't only affect us,
it's just you. You just acthow or why they love We loved it
so much, and yeah that's thereason why. But you you'd be surprised
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how it affected It wasn't it wasn'tjust black people. But that was a
few of the reasons why. AndI have the main reason. That's the
why. So let me ask youthis then, like when you when you
hear someone like me, right,when you hear a white person talking about
the movie knowing I don't get itthe way you get it, right,
and it's it's inherently not the same. But like, do you feel icky
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about it or you just are youjust appreciative, like, hey, let's
talk about it and let's let's openit up and let me let me show
you some of these things. No, I don't feel icky about it.
I'm okay to talk about it.I love you know me. I love
superheroes, so right, I'm hereto just just chat my boss. We
Actually it's crazy. We'll have likeone on one meetings and half of it
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is just talking about the Marvel showsthat are out or the Marvel stuff or
something about superheroes in some way shapeof I don't know how we get on
this, but that's what ends uphappening. So it never really just occurs
to me most of the time.Sometimes that does come up, But I
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think Spidy Synth goes off because Ithink that maybe weekend clan members m I've
been double. I assume what shedid their times too great time, I
think. But I think that that'swhat it is though. Yeah, so
yeah, I just kind of disengageat that point. Yeah, yeah,
then it turns into a whole differentthing. Yeah. I remember there was
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one person who asked me about it, and they were actually asking me about
the second movie, and they werespeaking on that scene with Queen Ramanda and
everybody knows that theme and if youdon't, they were just saying how it
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had affected them and thinking about thestuff that they've been through in their life
and just trying to be able to, you know, get up and go
to work and carry on the nextday. But she had to do it
for a kingdom and losing her son, her husband, her daughter, and
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still looked like the pillar of strength. And in that one moment, she
just cracked. And they're sitting therethinking about that one person that put them
off in traffic, and they werejust like, I don't know if I
can compare anymore. And I waslike, you know what, I get
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it, Susan, You're right,I totally get it. Yeah. I
wanted to. I wanted I wantedto say, you know, like a
little bit more. It was justlike that, that's a regular day for
a lot of us. But shewas trying to connect and I was like,
you know what, I thank youfor that, Susan. Shout out
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to Susan, thanks for trying.Yeah, yeah, we won't have to
go through like all the all thecasting characters. But I when Angela Bassett
is Queen Ramanda, like come on, like m that personal opinion that might
have been as good as as Chadwickas T'Challa, like from not as that
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main person, but just quality offilling that role. Man. But I
do want to ask you though aboutwhat kinda forever? Right? So we
had a lot of conversations about thismovie. I actually went I remember is
the night before Thanksgiving. I meanit was a last minute thing. I
saw there was a show in nearby, and I went late by myself at
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like ten thirty at night and watchedit, right, And so I had
a little bit of catching up todo when it came out, and you
know, rewatched it a couple oftimes. But sure, he's another one
that just so so impressed with butas a as a black woman. But
let me just ask you from theentire perspective, right, we know what
happened to Chadwick, right, Weknow he wasn't coming back for this other
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movie. We heard all those stories, We knew the movie was still coming
out, and probably had a goodidea it was gonna be surey, But
knowing everything you knew about real lifeand the movie and the progression of how
that went, like did it haveadditional impact as a black woman seeing another
strong black woman just take over andgo, but not without ultimate struggle this
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entire time in a very real way. Oh yeah, oh yeah, I
definite. I related to that somuch. And there was Jules and I
actually talked about this a little biton Cool Black Nerd when this came out.
He was saying how he didn't itwas something that he did not like
about the way she He was justlike, I think it was. He
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was saying that he didn't like howmad that she was just randomly about doing
this or being black panther. Now, I was like, I got every
single part of it, and hewas he was saying, I don't,
I don't get it. It wasjust like, you know, she was
just mad about him, you know, being gone, and I was just
like, it's just another thing onyour plate. Yet again, not only
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do I have to run the entiretechnology for this country by myself, I
gotta develop it, I gotta understandit, I gotta show it to everybody
else for this country. Then Igotta deal with trying to be able to
figure out how to do the plumba. See, now that we've fin you
know, done, this. Mydad's gone. My cousin tried to take
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over, We had a coup thatfailed. My cousin just again tried to
tear us apart. Now I amhere trying to keep my brother alive,
and I couldn't keep him alive.Knowing that I've done all this in my
life, I've done way more thanthis, and I know I can do
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it, but I couldn't keep himalive. Now I got to deal with
that for the rest of my life. So, Okay, while trying to
grieve that you got fish sticks,come in here and try to try to
try to take over because we gotthey got vibranium too, or well,
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I forgot exactly why he was mad. But while doing that, now I
gotta protect or figure out how toprotect the country again too, mh.
And again I gotta figure this out. When I couldn't figure it out to
figure to help my brother. NowI figured it out. And not only
have I figured it out, Igotta fight this mother fucking now while trying
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to grieve my brother and not goto a place that I really want to
go, which is to rip yourdamn head off, which will make me
feel so much better. But Igotta be the bigger person. Why can't
I just do me? Just justjust just five seconds, please, please
just give me five seconds. Andthen the only time she was able to
(28:33):
get that five seconds is after allthat was done, after all that was
done, is she's on the beachchilling. She's able to you know,
she's she did all that, andshe's thinking that, you know, hey,
I've come to a place. I'mgood, letting go grieving. Yes,
my brother's gone, I'm good.Here this chick come, oh yeah,
(28:55):
this is Charlie Junior. God damnit. Yeah, one thing after
another, not five seconds to takea break, breathe, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, but again,just like Queen Ramonda, ultimately all
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with breaking exactly yep, yeah,yeah, I can. I've certainly been
madder about a whole lot less.Again, understand it's fiction, but but
a lot of this is a isa parallel to a lot of people's daily
lives. Oh yeah, very muchso. Yeah, Queen Queen Ramonda is
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is very much who I would,you know, strive to be. That
break that she had, it wasjust like are you serious? Now?
It was just like okay, butshe, you know, she pulled it
back together. It was just inthat that that one moment she was just
like, you know, you're notabout to rob me right now? So
yeah, yeah, but yeah,in the in Sherry's performance I related to
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very very much, especially with herbeing very unsure about the spiritual thing.
And it was only because she wasstruggling her being a scientific person pretty much
all her life. So yeah,well that compounded with all the grief and
stress too. Right, it's unlessyou've got that strong foundation to begin with.
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Even if you do, it'll rockyour world. Well it's not even
that necessarily having everything being based infact and science and pretty much yourself,
and essentially that's been broken because youcould not save your brother. It was
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her faith was shaken, and itwas like if I can't even believe in
myself, I'm gonna believe in somethingelse. Yeah. So she was just
mad at everything, and it wasjust rage building up in her. So
it was a thinly. I wasreally surprised that they they did not use
that within the story. That energyshe was building up was coming from inside
(31:10):
her and rather than you know outside, you know, right right, right,
But yeah, yeah maybe, Andthere's a whole nother funny like was
I'll call him the government, butyou know the detective, the the US
official, right, that was themuta child that was helping. Like,
that's a whole nother like funny pointof you know, doing very little,
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but you know, making it seemlike you know, in the in the
US version, if you did likea side by side of that movie,
he saved the day he did it. He saved the entire planet, right
just by being present, really wasand listened. No, I'm just being
sarcastic. Mind listen, my mindlives in an alternate universe too, right
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that that's a whole separate movie thatwould never air. Right, I hate
you very much, hate you manwell Justice, thank you for talking to
me here about this and and andthe other conversations we've we've had, like
you you're really gonna you're really gonnahit me with them the Guest podcast send
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off. Listen. I know you'rethe host of this show, but I
just want to thank you for yourtime, for your efforts, your energy
and just just being available. No, I'm just kidding, but for this
fan in the green room eating USsnacks and you go sit hit me with
this whatever. Listen, you knowhow appreciative. I am that I can
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come and ask these questions because inreality, this is where when when someone
like me can't ask questions that evenseem so silly, right to try and
understand, like what's the appeal?Like your breakdowns and your description of the
first movie helped me. Look itwill kind of forever through a whole different
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lens. I was watching that acouple of times. I've seen it now
I constantly watch through these these differentperspectives and try and think about it.
And it's because of conversations like this. So thank you for your time.
Accept my thanks or not you're gettingthat. I'm wondering how many people like
listening through this? It was justlike I already knew that. Why he
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didn't know that most Yeah, that'sbut thank you for listening now, thank
you for tuning in. Catch ussometime next week. We may be on,
we may not be, but hopeyou hit that like button. Leave
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saying bad channel. I hate you
Should I ask you something? Sentit by Say What Radio? Here we
go go. I don't know aboutyou, but I never saw our conversations
as uncomfortable. I had the understandingof, well, if he's asking,
is he's wanting the truth, whetherit's uncomfortable or actually, don't hit him
upside the head. It is whatit is, he acts for it.
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I don't know. I think theuncomfortableness comes from kind of the whole idea
behind this podcast is like, Idon't know if it's okay if I ask
this and not is my question okay? But is me asking the question going
to be perceived as okay? Saywhat? Hello? I'm Justice, one
of the hosts of this podcast andfounder of Say What Radio Network. I
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wanted to kick this off by sayingthanks again for going on this journey.
You could be anywhere else, butyou're here with us. This episode was
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straight for this passion project, wewanted to bring into reality without further ado
here is can I ask you something? All right? All right, all
right, welcome back to another episodeof Can I Ask that? We've got?
Lovely needs no introduction, Justice onthe line, just to stick about
virtual bow, please virtue, thankyou, thank you, and I am
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I am the newbie al and forthose of you that's the joined us on
our last episode that was not formatwe really talked about for the show at
all, but put a good glimpseinto our friendship and what we talked about.
You'll have to rewind and watch thelast episode that finds out. But
really the theme of this episode iswe're gonna focus more on what we talked
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about here, and the idea isI've got a question that I don't know
if a lot of white people arecomfortable asking people of color. Justice and
I have a great relationship, strongfriendship, as you've heard on some of
the previous episodes. So I'm gonnaask the question Justice. I want first,
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I want to say all of thesay what radio branding. I don't
know if there's a bigger fan thanme, and we've we've gone through the
years talking about this. I thinkI've listened to every episode that is available
and some undercover episodes that are onlyfor certain years to hear. I've heard
a lot of the show. Beena big fan of jewels and cool black
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nerd and everything that's about. Andwhat's so funny to me is like most
of the stuff we're talking about onhere, I wouldn't say is my thing.
I'm not into gaming. I'm notreally into tech, but I appreciate
your passion for it and the restof the saywork radio crew, and I
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love hearing y'all talk about your passions, right, and that's the entertainment,
that's the piece. One of thethings that you and I had talked a
lot about is movies, Right,We've talked and most of the time you
bring it up and say, oh, have you seen this one? And
you get disappointed every time I say, no, no, I haven't seen
it. But one of the moviesthat I one of the movies I have
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seen that I've really grown to appreciateis the Black Panther series. And I'm
not a superhero action movie kind ofguy. Really, I generally like dumb
comedies, so this is not inmy wheelhouse. But I felt connected to
it, and there was a lotof hype that you had built up around
it, right, I think beforeI've never seen either of them, and
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a lot of backstory that you hadto fill me in on. So it's
like after I saw it, waslike, oh, I get that.
Now. Here's my question though.When Black Panther came on the scene,
it took over. It was biggermovie then I think I was expecting.
And so my question is why didblack people love Black Panther so much?
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And I think a lot of peoplehave this question a lot. So there
are other movies that have come outfor superheroes of color. You had Shang
Tea that came out and it didn'thit with the same level for well,
it was a big movie and itmade a lot of money, but it
didn't hit with the same kind oflike cultural phenomena. You had Blue Beetle
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recently, which was I, letyou know, superhero same thing. I
don't actually I do not know ifit actually made a lot of money,
and that that just maybe superhero fatiguein general. Yeah, I haven't heard
of that one. Yeah. Hell, even Wonder Woman when it came out,
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you know, female led, femaledirector, it still did not hit
with that level of just taking overlike it did. I want to you
know, Barbie's probably come close toit, even though it did probably make
more money than it did with youknow, with justin forr inflation and all
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the rest of that. I stilldon't think it it overcame what people were
like at that time, back intwo thousand, I believe it's seventeen.
And one reason is at the time, well not at the time, just
in general. Black Panther was thevery first superhero in Marvel comments that was
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intelligent. He was. He's actuallythe most wealthy superhero in Marvel Comics,
out doing Tony Stark and others.People don't know that because he sits on
vibranium, which is the most rareelement within that universe. So he also
is very articulate and he knows alot of things. And there's lineage,
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and one of the biggest things isyou have this afro futuristic society that is
just steeped in history, and it'skind of like feeling like this is what
we could be, this is whatthis is what we could aspire to be.
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There's a real don't know how tosay this other than just to say
it, but there's a real voidthat you feel sometimes as a black person
in America not really knowing where youcome from. And it isn't a pity
thing or whatever. It just itjust it's just there, kind of like
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having the keys to a house thatyou know where it is, just don't
necessarily I mean, you don't knowwhere it is necessarily you just don't know
how to get there, or youknow where the house is, you don't
have the keys to it, soto speak. Either way, Yeah,
yeah, go ahead. Sorry,because you have some people that are like,
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you know, we'll go back toyour own country, okay, And
then you have people from that countryand they're like, we don't want you
here either. So you see BlackPanther and it's just like, you know,
it's fiction, you know, it'sreally not real, but it's just
like, okay, well, thisis somewhere where I could I exists.
Maybe if you know the world wasa different place, this is where I
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could be. This is the waylife could be. And you just feel
it in your bones, and it'sa real sense of pride and history and
you just it's a sense of home, so to speak, or what you
would think that necessarily feels like forthat because you you always hear people and
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they're like, oh, you know, I'm Irish, or hell African people,
I'm Nigerian, or I'm Cicilian orwhatever. You can't really just said,
well fuck it, I'm texting right, you know? So and so
God the idea of like the afrofuturismterm, when you said that, that
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really hit So. I remember whenI first started breaking into like this corporate
DEI work that were doing, westarted talking about representation and it was a
real sticking point for me early onbecause I just I didn't get it.
I never I never had to worryabout representation because I always had plenty of
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it wherever I wanted, you know, that whole adage of maybe do whatever
you want. And I could lookaround and I'd see people that look like
me, and I never questioned,like is that something I could be?
Right? It was just like amI interested in it? And do I
want to do it? So themore I started to learn about representation and
how important that is for kids,especially to see someone that looks like them
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and something that they're interested in,it something they could aspire to. What
would you say that after futurism isI guess a fictionalized version of that or
a real version of that fiction totally, especially when it comes to Stem,
because the entire society in that movieis based on technology, but if you
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look at the whole landscape of Stem, you you know, barely see people
of color or you know, blackpeople within it. So seeing that entire
society being able to cloak themselves andbe like, oh, well, we're
just you know, humble people andthey've basically built this in the entire society
and been able to keep all ofthis wealth to themselves for years is very
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enticing. But also it's scary.It's like, if you knew you could
do that, would you do that? So that's another thing that's fascinating about
it. But I think one ofthe because he is a absolutely dynamic character,
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the villain in the movie. Ithink that's another reason why, because
there's a lot of people it doesn'thave to be black people, but people
in general who kind of sympathize withhim. Yeah, there's a line in
there right before he dies and thatjust gets you where he's just like,
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putting my body in the sea soI can be with my ancestors who knew
that death was a relief rather thanliving in slavery. And it's just like
and I'm you know, I'm paraphrasingnecessarily what he said. But when he
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said that and then he removed thestaff from his body and you know,
just killed over, it was justlike, oh my god. I remember
saying saying in the theater when Ifirst saw because I had tears on my
eyes, just the entire scene priorto that, you know, them having
to fight it out, and thenhim you know, seeing the sunset and
everything, but then him saying,I'm like, I can't believe he actually
said that. One, that's alot of things that they do not teach
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you in school. And then twothat is just like you know, you
you've heard I've heard that so manytimes over the years from elders, black
elders usually, and it's just like, damn, like he actually said that
in front a mixed company life forreal, right, So man, yeah,
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and I so, I mean allthese things you're saying, I can
I can hear it, I canunderstand it, and I can get where
you're coming from. But like thethe cultural phenomenon that it had, I
think also is is what really gotmy attention early on it because I didn't
know the movie was coming out andand I went an embarrassing amount of time
before seeing it. It's not superuncommon for me, but like when I
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see, you know, Lebron,who I don't He's not my favorite.
I don't love Lebron, But whenI see him doing the Wakanda forever and
crossing his arms like that, like, we can't underestimate how how big something
like that is. And it wasn'tjust him, it was it was everywhere.
And so I mean kudos to theteam for making the movie the way
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they did. Right, it wasobviously took their time. Obviously, Chadwick,
there's no better person that could havebeen Black. Oh you brought up,
You brought up the team. Soyou have the movie, you have
the subject matter, you have thesource material, which was already something that
was if you didn't know about thesource material prior to that, because a
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lot of people probably would have putit off and just like, oh it's
a comic book, Oh it's forkids. It's not really that big of
a poignant detail within our history.But you put it on the big screen.
Now it's out there and it's madethis real. It's larger than life
now and it was brought to lifeby these people who, as you said,
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looked at every single detail within it, from the costumes to the makeup,
to the sound, to the colors. There is a theme within the
movie, and I didn't recognize ituntil they actually were talking about it because
I saw them making of the film. When they're in like some sort of
underground casino and T'Challa is accompanied bytwo of his guards, which are women
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again another thing, Yeah, avery powerful statement, are flanked by him,
and if you look at the waythat they're flanked, they represent different
colors. One has on red,he has on black, and the other
has on green. And when Ididn't recognize that while I was watching it,
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I remember thinking, like, thecolor palette throughout the movie is gorgeous,
but looking at it, he waslike, you know, this represents
you know, the you know that, the dichotomy of the again, the
afrocentricness, the you know, Africa, Homeland, all of that, and
I was just like, oh mygod, none of that made sense to
me at the time, but itwas just like, yeah, but every
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single thing within it made a statement. And as you said, the women
being his guard's powerful statement, theway that he actually showed himself as Black
Panther. Even though he was shownin Civil War as Black Panther still did
not compare to how he came outas Black Panper in this movie with the
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trumpets and everything. And it wasjust like, wow, I remember him
jumping on that car and using theenergy that was a you know, shot
at him, he absorbed it andpushed it into the car and then he
flipped off of it, and Iwas just like, what that tell TONI
could never but all of that.And again, when you know me,
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I've always been a big superhero person. Seeing that just lit up. But
as a kid, and it's crazynot to think about it now, but
the nephews who are now teenagers,when they were like that, all they
that was all they wanted to Challais to Challa that. And even now
they see that as like a sourceof strength and pride and stuff that they
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can go to, whereas before itgoddamn wrestling wrestling mean a wrestling people.
It's just like, oh my god, But that was what they watched,
that was what they knew. Soyou see this now and you realize that
that stuff does make a difference,it does matter, and that's why everybody
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wanted to push it out there,see it, show it. So you
had Lebron, as you said,putting it out there, and the cast
was amazing. And knowing now thatliterally Chadwick was a superhero. The man
had stage four colon cancer going throughall of this and was doing a lot
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of his own stunts yep. Ontop of like every movie he did,
let's say, in those past whatfive years was powerful? I mean just
from a society standpoint, powerful.He played the dopest characters. He got
fully into character like that, thatdude is a superhero. Yeah, yeah,
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outside, Yeah, you know whatI noticed. You always like to
point out these funny things you knowabout me, like, hey, whenever
you bring this up, your voicedoes this or whatever. I notice every
time I bring up Lebron James,I have to clarify and maybe this is
just a Chicago thing that he's notmy favorite, because I don't want anybody
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mixing it up thinking I'm saying anythingother than that. I'm just pointing out,
is nobody nobody ever asks that oreven hints at it or throws win
to it or anything. You justlike, you know, Lebron's not my
favor and where did where did thatcome from? Man? Does I feel
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like at any of the moment,any moment bending the bull is going to
be looking over my shoulder just givingme the looky like not you man,
you you saw such championships. Idigress. I say all that to say,
you have that as kind of likeit's the quintessential like picture showing that
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this is where we could go,this is what we could be. And
it, as I said, kindof it's chicken suit for the soul type
thing for a void that is there, especially since a lot of the media
and stuff that is out there canbe very disheartening. It's like, I
mean, these are powerful movies.They're they're great and everything, but they
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really do depict hard life, youknow, like boys in the Hood,
minister Society and all the rest ofthat. And it's just like that that's
wonderful and everything, But where's thegreatness of all that stuff? I love
coming to America? And that's thereason why people do like seeing it because
you want to see the MOUNDA whilewe kind of was the mounda yeah,
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yeah, And I think because ofall those factors we talked about, like
they made that movie like bulletproof,right, whether you get all of these
references that you're talking about or youjust see it for like this this badass
movie, you're gonna see it andyou're going to appreciate it. Yeah,
And I don't know what time frameis and you know when things came out
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of record or whatever. But likethe kids like to watch one of the
Spider Man shows. It's a it'sa cartoon Spidey and his Amazing Friends,
I believe is the name of it. And Black Panther is a regular on
this show, likes he's I thereconstantly, and I never had any exposure.
Again, didn't grow up in comicbooks or anything, but I didn't
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have exposure. I didn't know anythingabout Black Panther until this blockbuster movie was
coming out. Now they're they're gettingto see that, and it's it's opening
up opportunities for conversations. I'm notlaying all of this on them right now,
but it's laying some groundwork, andit gives me a frame of reference
to come back to, right,Like, hey, think about Black Panther,
right and some of the struggles hehad and in these episodes, And
as silly as that sounds, Ithink those things are the things that build
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over time. Mm hmm. Yeah, everybody is amazing for this. That's
the one with like they're like thekids or whatever. Right, yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah, Ithink I think that was new. I
think so too. Yeah, Idon't know. My oldest is six tomorrow.
Shout out to Gracie, Happy birthdaytomorrow. But you know they're they're
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showing up on Disney Plus and andthat's kind of where they get that exposure
to it. So it all tiesat all times in right, mm hmm.
Yeah. Yeah, It's it's crazyhow it doesn't only affect us,
it's just you. You just acthow or why they love We loved it
so much, and yeah that's thereason why. But you you'd be surprised
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how it affected It wasn't it wasn'tjust black people. But that was a
few of the reasons why. AndI have the main reason. That's the
why. So let me ask youthis then, like when you when you
hear someone like me, right,when you hear a white person talking about
the movie knowing I don't get itthe way you get it, right,
and it's it's inherently not the same. But like, do you feel icky
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about it or you just are youjust appreciative, like, hey, let's
talk about it and let's let's openit up and let me let me show
you some of these things. No, I don't feel icky about it.
I'm okay to talk about it.I love you know me. I love
superheroes, so right, I'm hereto just just chat my boss. We
Actually it's crazy. We'll have likeone on one meetings and half of it
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is just talking about the Marvel showsthat are out or the Marvel stuff or
something about superheroes in some way shapeof I don't know how we get on
this, but that's what ends uphappening. So it never really just occurs
to me most of the time.Sometimes that does come up, But I
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think Spidy Synth goes off because Ithink that maybe weekend clan members m I've
been double. I assume what shedid their times too great time, I
think. But I think that that'swhat it is though. Yeah, so
yeah, I just kind of disengageat that point. Yeah, yeah,
then it turns into a whole differentthing. Yeah. I remember there was
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one person who asked me about it, and they were actually asking me about
the second movie, and they werespeaking on that scene with Queen Ramanda and
everybody knows that theme and if youdon't, they were just saying how it
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had affected them and thinking about thestuff that they've been through in their life
and just trying to be able to, you know, get up and go
to work and carry on the nextday. But she had to do it
for a kingdom and losing her son, her husband, her daughter, and
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still looked like the pillar of strength. And in that one moment, she
just cracked. And they're sitting therethinking about that one person that put them
off in traffic, and they werejust like, I don't know if I
can compare anymore. And I waslike, you know what, I get
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it, Susan, You're right,I totally get it. Yeah. I
wanted to. I wanted I wantedto say, you know, like a
little bit more. It was justlike that, that's a regular day for
a lot of us. But shewas trying to connect and I was like,
you know what, I thank youfor that, Susan. Shout out
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to Susan, thanks for trying.Yeah, yeah, we won't have to
go through like all the all thecasting characters. But I when Angela Bassett
is Queen Ramanda, like come on, like m that personal opinion that might
have been as good as as Chadwickas T'Challa, like from not as that
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main person, but just quality offilling that role. Man. But I
do want to ask you though aboutwhat kinda forever? Right? So we
had a lot of conversations about thismovie. I actually went I remember is
the night before Thanksgiving. I meanit was a last minute thing. I
saw there was a show in nearby, and I went late by myself at
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like ten thirty at night and watchedit, right, And so I had
a little bit of catching up todo when it came out, and you
know, rewatched it a couple oftimes. But sure, he's another one
that just so so impressed with butas a as a black woman. But
let me just ask you from theentire perspective, right, we know what
happened to Chadwick, right, Weknow he wasn't coming back for this other
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movie. We heard all those stories, We knew the movie was still coming
out, and probably had a goodidea it was gonna be surey, But
knowing everything you knew about real lifeand the movie and the progression of how
that went, like did it haveadditional impact as a black woman seeing another
strong black woman just take over andgo, but not without ultimate struggle this
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entire time in a very real way. Oh yeah, oh yeah, I
definite. I related to that somuch. And there was Jules and I
actually talked about this a little biton Cool Black Nerd when this came out.
He was saying how he didn't itwas something that he did not like
about the way she He was justlike, I think it was. He
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was saying that he didn't like howmad that she was just randomly about doing
this or being black panther. Now, I was like, I got every
single part of it, and hewas he was saying, I don't,
I don't get it. It wasjust like, you know, she was
just mad about him, you know, being gone, and I was just
like, it's just another thing onyour plate. Yet again, not only
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do I have to run the entiretechnology for this country by myself, I
gotta develop it, I gotta understandit, I gotta show it to everybody
else for this country. Then Igotta deal with trying to be able to
figure out how to do the plumba. See, now that we've fin you
know, done, this. Mydad's gone. My cousin tried to take
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over, We had a coup thatfailed. My cousin just again tried to
tear us apart. Now I amhere trying to keep my brother alive,
and I couldn't keep him alive.Knowing that I've done all this in my
life, I've done way more thanthis, and I know I can do
(27:26):
it, but I couldn't keep himalive. Now I got to deal with
that for the rest of my life. So, Okay, while trying to
grieve that you got fish sticks,come in here and try to try to
try to take over because we gotthey got vibranium too, or well,
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I forgot exactly why he was mad. But while doing that, now I
gotta protect or figure out how toprotect the country again too, mh.
And again I gotta figure this out. When I couldn't figure it out to
figure to help my brother. NowI figured it out. And not only
have I figured it out, Igotta fight this mother fucking now while trying
(28:11):
to grieve my brother and not goto a place that I really want to
go, which is to rip yourdamn head off, which will make me
feel so much better. But Igotta be the bigger person. Why can't
I just do me? Just justjust just five seconds, please, please
just give me five seconds. Andthen the only time she was able to
(28:33):
get that five seconds is after allthat was done, after all that was
done, is she's on the beachchilling. She's able to you know,
she's she did all that, andshe's thinking that, you know, hey,
I've come to a place. I'mgood, letting go grieving. Yes,
my brother's gone, I'm good.Here this chick come, oh yeah,
(28:55):
this is Charlie Junior. God damnit. Yeah, one thing after
another, not five seconds to takea break, breathe, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, but again,just like Queen Ramonda, ultimately all
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with breaking exactly yep, yeah,yeah, I can. I've certainly been
madder about a whole lot less.Again, understand it's fiction, but but
a lot of this is a isa parallel to a lot of people's daily
lives. Oh yeah, very muchso. Yeah, Queen Queen Ramonda is
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is very much who I would,you know, strive to be. That
break that she had, it wasjust like are you serious? Now?
It was just like okay, butshe, you know, she pulled it
back together. It was just inthat that that one moment she was just
like, you know, you're notabout to rob me right now? So
yeah, yeah, but yeah,in the in Sherry's performance I related to
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very very much, especially with herbeing very unsure about the spiritual thing.
And it was only because she wasstruggling her being a scientific person pretty much
all her life. So yeah,well that compounded with all the grief and
stress too. Right, it's unlessyou've got that strong foundation to begin with.
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Even if you do, it'll rockyour world. Well it's not even
that necessarily having everything being based infact and science and pretty much yourself,
and essentially that's been broken because youcould not save your brother. It was
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her faith was shaken, and itwas like if I can't even believe in
myself, I'm gonna believe in somethingelse. Yeah. So she was just
mad at everything, and it wasjust rage building up in her. So
it was a thinly. I wasreally surprised that they they did not use
that within the story. That energyshe was building up was coming from inside
(31:10):
her and rather than you know outside, you know, right right, right,
But yeah, yeah maybe, Andthere's a whole nother funny like was
I'll call him the government, butyou know the detective, the the US
official, right, that was themuta child that was helping. Like,
that's a whole nother like funny pointof you know, doing very little,
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but you know, making it seemlike you know, in the in the
US version, if you did likea side by side of that movie,
he saved the day he did it. He saved the entire planet, right
just by being present, really wasand listened. No, I'm just being
sarcastic. Mind listen, my mindlives in an alternate universe too, right
(31:56):
that that's a whole separate movie thatwould never air. Right, I hate
you very much, hate you manwell Justice, thank you for talking to
me here about this and and andthe other conversations we've we've had, like
you you're really gonna you're really gonnahit me with them the Guest podcast send
(32:17):
off. Listen. I know you'rethe host of this show, but I
just want to thank you for yourtime, for your efforts, your energy
and just just being available. No, I'm just kidding, but for this
fan in the green room eating USsnacks and you go sit hit me with
this whatever. Listen, you knowhow appreciative. I am that I can
(32:40):
come and ask these questions because inreality, this is where when when someone
like me can't ask questions that evenseem so silly, right to try and
understand, like what's the appeal?Like your breakdowns and your description of the
first movie helped me. Look itwill kind of forever through a whole different
(33:01):
lens. I was watching that acouple of times. I've seen it now
I constantly watch through these these differentperspectives and try and think about it.
And it's because of conversations like this. So thank you for your time.
Accept my thanks or not you're gettingthat. I'm wondering how many people like
listening through this? It was justlike I already knew that. Why he
(33:22):
didn't know that most Yeah, that'sbut thank you for listening now, thank
you for tuning in. Catch ussometime next week. We may be on,
we may not be, but hopeyou hit that like button. Leave
us a couple comments, tell uswhat you think we have being bad time,
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saying bad channel. I hate you
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