December 18, 2024 • 65 mins
It’s time to get real. In this thought-provoking and honest conversation, Al and Justice tackle the uncomfortable but necessary topic of racism—how it’s experienced, how it’s perpetuated, and what it takes to fight it.
From personal stories and napping habits (yes, napping!) to the deep influence of media and belief systems, this episode explores how stereotypes are formed and how they impact our lives.
They shine a light on the importance of teaching children about diversity, recognizing holidays like Juneteenth, and understanding Black history as a foundation for change. Because dismantling racism starts small—with open eyes, clear lenses, and the courage to grow into meaningful action.If you’re ready to think, learn, and reflect, this one’s for you.
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From personal stories and napping habits (yes, napping!) to the deep influence of media and belief systems, this episode explores how stereotypes are formed and how they impact our lives.
They shine a light on the importance of teaching children about diversity, recognizing holidays like Juneteenth, and understanding Black history as a foundation for change. Because dismantling racism starts small—with open eyes, clear lenses, and the courage to grow into meaningful action.If you’re ready to think, learn, and reflect, this one’s for you.
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Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/can-i-ask-you-something--6152063/support.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Do not ask you something? Sense it by say what? Video?
Here we go. I don't know about you, but I
never saw our conversations as uncomfortable. I had the understanding of, well,
if he's asking, he's wanting the truth, whether it's uncomfortable
(00:24):
or actually gonna hit him upside the head, it is
what it is, he acts for it.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
I think the uncomfortableness comes from kind of the whole
idea behind this podcast is like, I don't know if
it's okay if I ask this and not is my
question okay?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
But is me asking the question going to be perceived?
Is okay?
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Say what? All right? All right?
Speaker 4 (00:50):
All right?
Speaker 1 (00:52):
You know where you are? Can I ask you something?
Got your girl? Justice?
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Here?
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Hanging with what's formerly known as the artist al.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Tonight Listen, I'm a little disappointed, honestly, Like I always
give you these glowing intros as like the queen of
say what Radio? You just saved my.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Former formally known Yeah, formerly, I really yes, yes, because
I still don't know what you want to go by,
And it's kind of like, do you do you want
to be out tonight? Do you want to be Alex tonight?
Do you want to be a rod next week. I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Oh that's good.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Yeah, oh so good.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Shout out the skip that die and never should.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
It never should. Speaking of shoutouts, we had our first
shout out for the episodes or for the episodes as
of play. And I want to thank Daddy Carlos Chay Carlows.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
I thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. And actually,
on that note, before we get to season two, if
you got comments about what this nickname should be or
my stage name, we're taking suggestions days name. I understand
how dangerous this statement is. Throw it at us.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Please know you asked for this yourself. I just want
you to.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Know that you're heard it here. First, yep, I.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Am still trying to wake up, just so you know.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
And listen, just so the audience is clear. The time
right now is nine to twenty one pm. Justice, what what?
What time did you take your little tigger snooze?
Speaker 1 (02:48):
About three o'clock? Three alot?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Yeah, yep, have breakfast.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
It was just one of those where you you're like, Okay,
I'm gonna watch this YouTube video and then I'm gonna
go and like eat lunch or whatever. Yeah, I still
have any lunch?
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Oh, my gosh.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Oh yeah, yeah, I'm energized for the day. I will
tell you that.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Yeah, good good, enjoys the moonlight.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Hey, I am on UK time. That's what I'm that's
my story and I'm sticking to it.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
That's right. Welcome back, welcome back. So glad to have you.
Oh it's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Yeah, I just want to Hey, it happens, man, you
get past the start, and I'm not a napper. I'm
really not a napper. I know we're we're not into
the topic has but I'm not a napper. I have
always seen naps as something that is very unnecessary. Either
go to sleep or don't because I'm always scared that
I will not wake up in time. And today prove that.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Listen, I agreed to disagree here. I am such a napper.
I can nap with the best of them. I've napped
sitting up, I've napped like laying on stairs, all kinds. Yeah,
you know, you get into a zone. You're playing Barbies,
the barbies are going on the airplane. Obviously that's the
staircase and you go down. Yeah, it happens. I love it,
(04:21):
and I'll tell you what. Like, I'm not generally a
fan of like the ten minute naps that people talk about,
but I did one last week. I was literally just
sitting up mid sentence and fell asleep. And my youngest daughter,
she like pushed me and she's like, hey, did you
fall asleep for real? Like, yeah, I really did. Sorry,
but actually I'm going to go ahead and shout out
(04:42):
Natalie too. My youngest daughter. Today was a big day
for her, and this was her preschool graduation. Let me
tell you, I was not ready for this, No, you never.
I didn't think anything of it until we got there.
They hit that uh, I forget the name of it,
but they graduation music, the Dum Dum dude, and they'll
(05:07):
start walking down and the teachers are all like, you know,
tearing up, like giving their little speeches and stuff. Kids
are singing songs. Yeah, it didn't wreck me, but like
it minor really beat me up.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Definitely put you in a different state of mind.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yeah, by then you were getting ready to.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Yeah. I was probably already in dreamland at that point.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
She had a full day since then three o'clock.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Oh whatever are you asking me a question?
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yeah? Yeah, let's let's get onto that. Yeah, so tonight
I wanna. I want to dump jump in a little
bit deeper than we have and really just not even
dance around anything. I would like to talk about racism tonight.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Oh you do this when I'm when I'm just waking up.
I see, I got you.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
You slept six hours. You should be recharged? Are you kidding? So?
Oh man, there's so many layers to this, so let's
just start here. The idea of racism is really a
(06:19):
social construct, right, meaning us humans. We just made it
into existence. Lots of examples of different things we've done.
Racism is this. But when it really simplify it, it
dumbfountains me because and here's how I'll explain it in
my mind, And this is the question. There are people
(06:42):
out there in twenty twenty four that legitimately think the
color of someone's skin dictates something about them and either
makes them good or makes them bad. And my question
has for real like what it's a real thing, Like
(07:08):
people live on this stuff, Like there are groups dedicated
to getting together to talk about this. And I don't
understand that everybody's got a podcast. I get that, but
like these groups, so I guess, like from your perspective,
from the black perspective. How do you how do you
hear this? How do you understand it? Like, just can
(07:30):
you walk me through this thought process and some of
your experience so with it?
Speaker 1 (07:36):
The way I see it, it's like this, and people
have said this many many times. The contract kind of
came about in early not colonial, but even further back
than that, where it was just it needed to be
like a hierarchy to subjugate a race or type of people,
so to speak, and that has just lasted throughout the ages.
(08:02):
Is it kind of goes with some people and their
football teams. I know that's a weird correlation, but some
people like football teams because their dad like them, or
because their grandfather like them or whatnot. It really isn't
anything behind it, but that's what they know. And a
lot of the times the information that's given to them
(08:24):
isn't in the best life, it isn't in the best
frame or reference, but it is enough to antagonize a
response that is rooted in fear of some sort, and
beyond that it just continues just to be oh, well,
stay away from them and you won't have to worry
(08:45):
about this, which kind of just feeds into that narrative
and the cycle because if you're never around them, you
can never debunk it, right, So yeah, it's just meant
to it's just meant to continue to make one particular race,
or not even one, just racist in general, feel like
(09:06):
there's a cast system when it really has and always
is more about who has more power, who has more
money and access to it. So it's just like if
I can get you to pay attention to this the
London me Johnson, this quote is always hilarious to me.
If you can make the poorest white man hate a
(09:28):
black man, he won't see you picking his pocket. And
again I am paraphrasing this, but this is something that
he actually said in like a conference or something of
an official nature to like a press individual like he
said this, not like it wasn't the quiet part was
said very loud.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Yeah he's twice about that.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Yeah, so, but most people don't see it that way.
The only thing that they see is that it's just
taking things from them. And in my my experience, it's
it's been more of where I don't know you, but
I will, you know, invade your space, I will touch
(10:11):
your trys to touch your hair, and it's more in
microaggressions towards me, whereas dre D and Jules from a
cool black nerd have all experienced it in a more
direct way when it comes to things like, you know,
police and people holding the purse when it comes when
they are entered the room and things like that, or
(10:34):
walking down the street. I believe I told it on
a previous episode where things that I have not experienced,
dre D was always being like either pulled over by
the cops for just no reason and stopped. Uh. And
I actually had a conversation with a with a friend
of mine who is white as well, telling me about
(10:54):
because more than one of us, yeah we got yeah, yeah,
Drad has said this, more than I tend to collect
white people, that is what he has said, and that
it just cracks me up because I don't know how
like what the what the fuck?
Speaker 2 (11:09):
What was that term that justice found another random white person?
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Yeah, he said that, he said that, and I was
just like, I can't stand to I can't stand it.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
One of those was me, so thank you for picking
me up along the way.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
But he was like in shout out to Lando on this,
he was like, we talked about the shared experiences thing,
and he said one of the shared experiences that he
has had is kind of like the absence of most
of the experiences that minorities and people of color have
actually had to go through, specifically one where he has
(11:45):
been escorted out of a hood or like dangerous area
by the police. And when he said that, I was like,
the what He's like, Yeah, they were like you should
not be here at this point in time, and at
this time at night, We're gonna get you somewhere safe.
And he's just like, I'm just here to buy weed.
(12:05):
Why are you bothering me? Wait? When he said I
was like, damn, this is a criminal.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
But you know, all right, man, man, you said so
much there. And I really like the example of the
football team. So it's funny. Grown up in Chicago, I
was always pushed you know, Bears this, Bears that, And
I was probably, like I don't know, thirteen or fourteen
(12:33):
years old and you know, pretty ingrained into football, and
you know, I had Bears jerseys and stuff, and it
was just because like that's what you're supposed to do here,
like there's no other choice and here and ironically enough,
like here you're supposed to hate the Packers. Right. It
was weird because I came to this realization. I was like,
wait a minute, like we're we're like the Browns, but
(12:53):
in like a like a large market, so we think
we're better, right, And it's really one of the worst
run or organizations in professionals over history, right, Like they're
they're so bad all the time, but that's that's kind
of what they are. Like they ironically enough, go back
to history. They still talk about the eighty five Bears
(13:14):
here and everyone's just ingreened in it.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yeah. I've actually heard that from a few people who
have kind of like not necessarily lived for a very
long time in Chicago, but just kind of like, yeah,
I've been here for like five years or whatever. Yeah,
they love their Bears.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Yeah, yeah. And it's it's funny because even so, like
in the sports world, right, like you'll take a Tom
Brady who kind of transcends teams and you just appreciate
watching him. Michael Jordan did the same thing. Patrick Mahomes
is doing that right now, Travis Kelcey all over the
pop scene, right there are some people that transcend it,
(13:55):
I guess is the best way to say it. But
in general, people stick to their guns. That's so interesting.
So let me ask you this too. There's this, I
guess catchphrase out there, right or slogan that says that
racism is taught, Yes, very much, you believe that.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Okay, oh, artedly.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
How like I never took a racism class? Well, right,
but like, where how do you teach racism?
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Well, it's similar to what you were just saying about
the bears. It's just the things that are continuously shown
and taught to you. You were parrot it after a while,
whether you know it or not. It isn't until you
have a course of mind to kind of challenge the
status quo that you've been seeing for god knows how
long that you will tend to just move away from
(14:51):
that or not engage with it. But until then, that's
what most people do. For instance, the isis stuff or
the q andon stuff a lot of them when they
are recruiting people. It is just a lot of stuff
that's been bartering them. And in the beginning, a majority
of those people have said, who have seen the other
(15:12):
side state or start out that I thought this stuff
was crazy, but it was something that resonated with them
at one point in time. And they were like, I
get it, and they continued down the rabbit hole more
and more and more. But it was bombarded at them
for so long, and also it's taught earlier on by
(15:33):
other people unknowingly, just because of the system and the
way that society is kind of set up, especially in
the media. There was a picture or a story that
ran and the picture for it was very telling. There
was a young lady in their sports team. It was
a black woman, I'm assuming, but person of color. Let
(15:57):
me say that, holding her head because this was an
in Australia, so she could have been Aboriginal for all
I know. She was holding her head crying and her
teammates were kind of around her, comforting her. And the
headline rudd that the team will be punished for doping
or they have to face the consequence of doping or whatever.
(16:20):
And what was completely funny was that they it was
just this picture where it looked like it was her
who was caught and she was the only one doing
it and everybody else was fine. And in that one
picture told so many words but didn't say anything. A
teacher showed it to their class because they wanted to
(16:41):
kind of open up the narratives to this and just
ask the kids what they thought, and they said it, well,
it looks like she's the one who was doing it.
And he delved a little bit deeper into it, Well,
what do you think she did? What do you think
this says about people of color that they're bad? It
was really not necessarily eye open, but it was kind
(17:04):
of a short bent into how this stuff just kind
of throws at you. News magazines, if they still print them, newspapers,
all that stuff, what is shown to you and how
it is shown in that light kind of goes to it.
And the biggest thing for it is stuff like movies
or TV, even music, those are the biggest teachers to me.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Yeah, I agree, because it's not like the kids are
watching the news right and we can see it so
clearly there. But these tiny, seemingly tiny little details I
think we forget sometimes. I mean, big media doesn't forget
how much these kids are sponges and they're taking in
(17:50):
so much more than they're actually understanding. They're taking in
themselves and able to even verbalize to you. So to me,
this takes like on the parents and like active fighting, right,
which kind of leads into the idea of Eber and
Kennedy talks so much about anti racism, not just not
(18:10):
being racist, but actively fighting against that.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Yep. It tends to be more of a thing where
parents kind of go, well, they'll learn it, and it's like, no,
you have to teach them. That's why we have so
many people out here who don't watch their legs. So yeah,
Another thing that I think is, you have and I've
(18:35):
even seen this in my family. You have some people
who have been affected in some way, shape or form
by another person, They've been hurt, and they associated with
the entire race. Then you have others who have probably
had the same yet worse, but do not do that.
So it is a choice, and it is something that
(18:56):
is taught because after that, I will never forget. I
have a great uncle, a great great uncle who had passed.
When I told him that I was dating someone who
was not black, he was not having it, and it
was just because you know, the white man has done
this and that. And I was like, well, un you
(19:16):
don't necessarily even know if he's white. I didn't even
say what he was. I just said he was just black.
But that's that was how he felt. And my dad
who is who just turned eighty four and is still
like one of the most loving and caring like people
and so freaking smart when he tells me some of
(19:38):
the stories that he encountered as somebody growing up in Alabama.
Even when we try to research like family history on
his side, we can't because once they go to a
certain point, it literally starts to just say things like
you know, Negro child born or just I won't say
(19:59):
the exp but just the child born. And it's just like, okay,
is this her or this him? You know, trying to
figure that stuff out with it and some of the
stories that he has told me about having to get
off the side of the street, being spit on, being
hemmed up, jacked, other family members actually being lynched for
talking back and things like that, and still is just like, well,
(20:24):
you know, they didn't know. It was not necessarily their nature,
but it was what they were told they were supposed
to do. And I don't fought them for and and
like I said, my great great uncle which was a
little bit older than him, maybe five years five to
ten years or so when he passed, and you couldn't
(20:46):
have told him anything that white people had done that
was great and he was in the army and had
to work alongside them and stuff. But yeah, you couldn't
he would have this. This just I don't know, just
disappointment in them and just attributed to all of them.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Whereas my dad it was just like, yeah, no, that's
I don't believe that you and they would argue about
it a lot mmm.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
And and probably both had these great points that went
unheard because of the preconceived thoughts, right, I.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Will say this, they had great I won't say points
on both sides because I will be honest. My great
great uncle would he just would just it was just
even just mad, and I think that was mainly where
it was, and hurt and just wanted retribution for stuff
that had happened to him, whereas my dad was like, again,
(21:42):
I cannot fault them for stuff that they were told
that they were supposed to do. Yeah, they were an asshole,
but it was that person who was an asshole.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
So yeah, well maybe not even great points, right, but
points from perspective that exactly.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Yeah, it's it's scary, I guess from my seat trying
to raise my kids in a I'll call it a
relatively diverse town. It was much more diverse than where
I grew up.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
And that's you know, I'm I'm constantly picking places like
our church. For example, I specifically selected to start when
we were going to a new church, it was this
one because I knew I could see, like in their
posts and and their videos and stuff I was watching
on land that there was diversity, and they did talk
about it. They would go into these like very specific
(22:35):
topics and it was cool. But it's it's hard to
it's hard to manage it not around all the time.
I remember when and Gracie was probably four at the time,
we went down to Golf Shores, Alabama, and we stopped
at this Legacy Museum. And I've talked about that Brian
Stevenson's break downtown. Uh is Birmingham, I think I forget.
(22:59):
But great museum. Great spot if if you're in the area,
check it out, the Legacy Museum. But there were you know,
they had kids books at the end. And there's this
book I bought for Gracie called Don't Touch My Hair,
and it was we read that book every night for weeks,
right and and just slowly opened up like these little
conversations about why you shouldn't touch somebody's hair, and we
(23:23):
didn't even talk about race initially, and I didn't really
know if any of it was sinking in because you know,
at the same time, I don't want anybody touching her hair,
like it's it's a different thing, but like stay away
from her. She's fine, you can see her from a distance.
But there was where she was talking about bugs one
day and there was you know, some ant coming across. Well,
(23:45):
what kind of ant is it? And like, we don't
even have fire ants up here, but every aunt they
see they think is a bright red fire ant getting
ready to come burn their skin off. And Gracie said
to me, she said, oh, this this ant is a
black and like the little girl in that book that
we read, and she noticed it, and I was like, okay,
let's and so it was she was introduced to I
(24:11):
guess through that book right of like the accepting of people.
And then this was just about hair, right and you know,
we know like in the black community, especially with black women,
hair is a is a big deal. And there's a
lot of points. We could probably do three or four
episodes on that. Let's do that. That'd be fun. Yeah,
but even just like that small perspective, that introduction and
(24:34):
starting at four years old, saying hey, let's just talk
about people. And to this day when she talks about
her friends, like, I'll ask about them, right, And I know,
I really just wanted to make sure she's not hanging
out with all the white kids all the time only
but I'd be like, oh, talk to me about Eva.
What does she look like, right? You know, what kind
of hair does she have? Is she taller than you?
(24:54):
Shorter than you? And she will always at some point
say she won't lead with it, but she'd be like, oh,
she has the most beautiful brown skin. And I love
that because like as a kid, they don't have these filters.
They like us see it, they acknowledge itt oftentimes it's
the first thing we see. But now they're addressing it
(25:16):
in a different way. I don't even think I'm doing
it right, but it's a way right at least to
Ingraine something into that.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Yeah, where it's not different. And the reason why that's
a good thing is because you don't want situations like
I'll never forget this being in target or tart checking out,
and there was a lady and her daughter behind me,
and she was just staring at me in the cashier.
The cashier was of Indian descent and he had a
(25:48):
turban and everything. I'm not sure of his religion and stuff,
so I don't want to say like he was chic
or anything like, I don't really know, but he and
I explained, had exchanged pleasantries stuff in the beginning, and
you just and then when the lady walked up, the
little girl was just like just dead shocked seeing both
of us, and she goes, why did God paint them?
(26:12):
And it's just like I get what she's saying because
we were both just like me and the cashier were
both like waving to her because she was just like
so fascinated or whatnot. But the fact that she just
was like, you know, comfortable enough to be like God
painted you. And it was hilarious to me because she
the actual phrase that she had said, because I remember
(26:33):
that from like a Kevin Costner movie, if I'm not
mistaken it was. It was some movie like that. It
had Morgan Freeman and I cannot remember the name of it.
But it was just like the little girl and asked
him that as well. And I'm just like okay, yeah,
you definitely don't hang around any black people are even
have them near you to just be like, okay, I'll
(26:55):
ask that how old was she? She had to be
all of made these sticks, okay seven at the most.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
What was the parent's response.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Well, baby, it was kind of just like I don't
really know what to do in this situation. I'm super embarrassed,
and the little girl is just looking for an answer,
and I will never forget the cashiergers going like, yes
he did. He painted both of us in a beautiful
shade of brown.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Oh man, thanks for sharing that story, because it's it's man,
it's funny because I think about that all the time,
like if my kids are going to wild out and
say something, you know, in their innocence that just hit
somebody the wrong way, And I think about it a
lot because I want to be cognizant of my respects,
(27:50):
Like I think ninety five percent of the world is
going to be like, oh no, don't say that, and
like the quiet it it's an invitation for dialogue, right
mm hmm. So parents, if you're listening and your kids
says something, don't don't shush them, have the conversation and
(28:11):
if you're uncomfortable, have to tune into say what radio
haven't listened to?
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Can I ask you and you get some talking points?
Get some talking points. I would have liked the mom
to have, you know, actually had that conversation. Well baby, yeah,
well we talked about that people come in different shades
and you know, things like that or whatever. I would
have loved for that to have been the conversation. But
the fact that it was kind of left to us
(28:38):
to figure it out and not make this one make
the lady feel even worse or the little girl just
going like, okay, I'm asking questions here, somebody talk to me, right,
But yeah, that was that was one of those the situations.
And I haven't I I've experienced, like, of course, like racism,
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especially when it comes to like my hair and stuff.
And I've experienced it actually more in dating than I
have in anything which is vastly hilarious like.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Grown adults and stuff. Yeah, to be clear, you're not
dating children, like this is reset.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Yeah, yeah, I'm not dating the fact that you now
it's out there, thank you for them. But people are
like people. I mean, she didn't deny it. I'm not
dating children, but yeah, damn you. It is. It has
been just something that is really kind of strange when
(29:44):
it comes to it, because they'll be like, oh, well,
you know you're so beautiful, you're so this, but I
don't want to bring you around their fen and specifically
say I can't bring you around your family or get
very rude in DM and things like that for you
think you're all of that and whatnot. And I don't
(30:05):
get it. It's like I wasn't bothering you. I didn't
even like we were supposed to match. If we liked
each other, we matched just to throw barbs at me
for note, what the hell.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Throw barbs at me? Yeah, it's uh, you brought me back. Man,
How old is that? I must have been in first grade?
Oh man, this is a throwback hearing it here. First
I was madly brushing on this this girl. Her name
was was it Marisela or it doesn't matter at this point.
(30:39):
Oh she's listening because now true feelings are coming out here.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
But yeah, I was first grade and she was Mexican,
and I remember going home asking my grandma. I said, hey,
I had a question for you, and she goes, yeah,
I said, can you marry somebody that's a different color
than you. And I remember I remember her reaction, like,
without hesitation, she said, yep, you sure, Ken, you just
got to find somebody you love and that's who you marry.
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And my grandma is one of those that came from
She was from Kentucky during a period where I mean,
it was not really safe to be any color but
white in Kentucky. So even the fact that she said
that way back then, I wish I could remember this
girl's name.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Well, I would think that, you know, it would not
be great that you remember her name right now?
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't want you falling asleep on
the couch.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
For weeks.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
But closing the question to you, where do you think
all of this necessarily comes from? Or in what do
you use? And I know it is something that a
lot of white people don't like to talk about, but
is it like noticed and people just don't want to
talk about don't see it? Because what I'm asking is
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it's a if you see something, say something type of situation,
and like you said, it has to be anti racism,
but similar to situations where people will be like I
have a you know, none of my male friends beat
women or attack women. Yet every there's a woman attacked,
like every other millisecond almost, so it's like you do
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know someone of it, it's just that nobody's calling them
out on it in that in those sort of sorts
of like situations. So how is it that that can
continue on necessarily?
Speaker 4 (32:33):
Man?
Speaker 2 (32:34):
It's I think a lot of what you described also
happens in the white community, you know. The I think
there's probably in reality. So if we think about people
on one side of the fence or the other, right,
like you know, we can claim member on one side
and activists on the other, not even we can't claim
member real clan members, right, I think there are probably
(32:56):
more people on the fence that don't have bad thoughts
but will also tolerate rough comments or you know, like
you you'll get somebody on the other side of the
fence that will say something right, and it could be
you know, super drastic, it could be just like a
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passive comment and it's not talked about, like it might
be looked down upon, but it's not going to be addressed.
I think that's the majority of what happens, I think,
and it's not a case of like a few bad apples.
That's not what I'm saying. But but I think it
is taught super early, and I think kids pick up
on that stuff. I think teenagers probably especially. I think
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and if you think about teenagers and you would reference
music earlier, right, and if they're listening to hip hop, right,
like there are I mean, like there are words that
we don't understand and and then there are words that
we should not say that and it becomes weird because
I remember so many kids being like, you know, they
would say the word as they were, you know, wrapping
(34:03):
along to us, something like, oh, it's okay, it's all
part of the song.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Yeah, no it's not.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
It's it's really not right. But but nobody is correcting that,
nobody's checking them because it's I don't know, I think
you almost growing up, you didn't want to be seen
as like somebody who is easily offended, and I think
that's that's what the perception would have been. It's like, oh,
look how soft they are. They won't even say the
N word in the song, like any kind of thought
(34:31):
around it. So yeah, certainly, the the culture that we're in,
whether I mean if it's sports, if it's music, if
it's Teve movies whatever. Like when we were growing up,
like there there was there was no Black Panther. Don't
fight me on this because you'll say, yeah, the comic
was there, but like in our face and like mainstream
(34:52):
media right, like we didn't really see another side. And
it kind of brings me to like the representation piece
of Like, you know, I can't remember if I shared
this story or now, but the very first discussion I
ever had with I, like on the DEI front was
with us. He was at the time Deputy mayor Steve
(35:13):
Anderson out of Shelbourne, Ontario. Shout out of Steve Anderson,
big fan of all his work, but he you know,
we had this like great behind the scenes conversation about like, hey,
we're going to do this this piece on you, but
I just want to get to know you and understand
this area a little bit better. I was like, can
you talk to me about representation? And that's where the
conversation started, and he kind of looked at me funny.
(35:34):
He's like, what do you want to know about representation?
And I said, look, I like all kids that were
around me growing up, I said, I could be whatever
I wanted to be. And they said, if you want
to be a doctor or a lawyer, a firefighter, or
a professional sports like whatever, it didn't matter. And I
could look anywhere and see somebody that looked like me
(35:54):
and those professions. And it wasn't a conscious thought, right,
because it was so visible all the time that I
was like, do whatever, it doesn't matter. Pick you know,
be a garbage man, be a whatever. It didn't matter
what you did because you could see it. And his
point was like, well I couldn't. And and I think
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that's a huge part of it.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Now.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
I think we are doing some things today that not
we the media, right, but like there there are people
fighting so that people can see black and brown and
different religions all in a better light that aren't necessarily
just the bad people. Right. It's black people aren't the
(36:37):
only villains in a movie, or brown people aren't, you know,
huh yeah yeah, people of color in general, right, Like, yeah,
which is cool, it's progress, but I don't know, to me,
it feels kind of small. It's it's I'm not dismissing it,
but like, can we do more?
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Yeah? Yeah, I get it, And it does kind of
feel like that because somebody like me I always still
saw it, like he said, because it wasn't in his face.
He felt like he couldn't. I was always of the
mind frame. And this may be because coming from a
female perspective, I was always told I couldn't do this,
I couldn't do that. But it was mainly more because
(37:18):
you're a girl type stuff. So I just always no, no,
you can you can't tell me what I can do.
So I no matter what, I always saw myself in
the situation that I wanted, other positions and things that
I wanted to do. I always saw myself in that
and imagine an imaginative way. But not everybody's a visual learner.
(37:42):
Some people can be told that, but other most people
are visual where they have to see it. Yeah, it
is a person in there, but I don't see myself
in it. M So the representation part does always affect
in a different way.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Yeah, And I don't want to dismiss that either, because
like what, I see that in you, right, And I
didn't know you when you were a child or anything.
But but you're also not average, right you are you
are more driven and more than the person. And so
so I think as a whole though we have to
think about to your point, the visual learners, the different
(38:21):
type Like there's so many different learning styles, right, and
all these like people will make these subsets of things,
like there's this thing out there called uh, I don't
know what to call it, but it's it's human design, right,
and and it's very detailed, very intricate, and I think
based some in some in astrology, but it pulls together
a bunch of different things, right. And so I read
this one time about like, Okay, who who am I?
(38:43):
According to this? And I was kind of dumbfounded at
how much like how accurate it was. And one of
the things in that that I learned about was that
I it's not even that I learned it. I think
I just realized it. But this idea that like I
am comfortable moving on feelings. There are some people that
(39:03):
need mountains of data to be able to make a
move and do what they want to do. But like,
but in general, like I can feel something, understand it,
know it, and move comfortably without having to make sure
every I has doted and every tea is crossed. And
it was interesting to me because like, that's it's also
part of my learning style, and I can see something
(39:26):
hands on and do it. Like I told you before
we started recording, something like I'm trying to learn the
guitar and so I'll watch YouTube videos, I'll read everything
I can do. But like you put me in the
room with somebody who can play the guitar and like,
be patient for fifteen minutes and I can pick up
a whole lot more doing that. And so that's not
that different from the representation piece of it.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
It really isn't, I think with majority of those types
of things, just like we said before, with how racism
can spread and be indoctrinated to a lot of people. Uh,
seeing it is believing it. And it also means that
when you do see it, it's not in a in
a half assed way. Like there was a movie that
(40:08):
came out, the Think's Association or something of Magical Negroes,
And when I tell you that would that was some bullshit.
The premise of the movie is literally magical black people
whose only task is to make white people feel better
(40:30):
without them knowing.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
What.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
Yeah, it is. It is completely asinine. But seeing something
like that, that's not representation, right, Seeing something like Black
Panther and then seeing something like Boys in the Hood
those are different versions of representation.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Mm hmm. So it depends on the lens you look
at it from.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Me exactly exactly. So having that having both of those
frames of reference is crucial to being able to see
that stuff. But it's also triggering for some people because
there is this feeling of kind of placating to like
black trauma. So some of those things that it depends
(41:18):
on how you're doing the representation. I'm sure that Asian
people or others wouldn't want to see like massacres from
their specific eras in their countries all the time, or
even just the times where you have like movies like
Breakfast at Tiffany's where you have someone who was whitewashing
(41:42):
an Asian character and sort of making them a caricature.
You don't want to see that type of stuff all
the time. But I'm also wondering if being able to
see what you should not do is something that should
be a part of it. You see what I'm saying,
Like being able to say no, don't do that.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Yeah? Yeah, I think given those examples, right, like you
can point out like, yeah, this is not good, like
can we all agree this is not good?
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Yeah? Yeah, I always just wonder if that is something
that is a part of the conversation, if that makes sense,
being able to say specifically what is uncomfortable, what is
not in those in those aspects. And I know that,
you know, there will probably be some people like, well,
you didn't talk about this, but there's like, well, oh no,
you know, there's reverse racism when it comes to things,
(42:31):
and I would like to specifically say when we are
talking about these sorts of things, racism is, in my mind,
something where another race is seen to be oppressed or
subjugated in some way, shape or form. There's also discrimination,
which is what can be conflated with both. And I
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do see that happen. As I said with my uncle, yeah,
just straight up did not care. But we can't. We
do have to put both in different lanes, if that
makes sense, because I think if we just throw it
all in the same thing, it's going to one get
money and two we don't actually solve either of the
(43:13):
problems because we're fighting trying to do the definitions at
that point.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
Yeah, man, that that's a whole nother debate too. And
I've had a lot of these discussions with some friends
and the idea of like, well, I mean just on
the bare surface of can black people be racist? Right,
and it's it's super interesting. But back to what we
started talking about on this, it all has to do
(43:39):
with power.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
Yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
If you don't have the power and you don't have
the control, it's a different Like I'm not saying that
it's correct, I'm not saying that susceptible or right, but
that's different than what we're talking about. What you're doing
is you're dumb and down or you're you're like you're
watering down. The idea of racism is like this bad thing.
I was like, well, black people can do it too, No, listen,
(44:05):
you don't have.
Speaker 4 (44:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And it's and those are.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
I don't know, let's call them like four hundred level classes, right,
Like those are those are tough, and those are intricate
and and it and I get frustrated too, like when
it feels like every time you bring up the idea
of racism in America, you go immediately back to slavery.
And the dangerous part about that, in my mind anyways,
(44:33):
is you're acting like it's an old thing. You're acting
like it's over, You're acting like it's well we don't
do that anymore, So what's about Yeah, no, no, no,
that was the birth of it, right, but but it's
still growing and at an unbelievable rate. And I think
(44:53):
it's it's almost I don't want to say it's scarier,
but like, but there's a scary aspect to it now
because it's it's not so overt. Yeah, you talked about
the term microaggressions, right, and it like even that's like
a relatively basic term that you know, you know when
you see it, hard to prove or whatever sometimes, but
that's what keeps it alive. It's it's those little, seemingly
(45:16):
little things that fan the flames that keep progress from stopping. Woof.
I'm on one now.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
And again we didn't preface this before, but again this
is us as two friends who want to have these
conversations and talk about it and open the dialogue for
others to also do the exact same thing with someone
that they feel comfortable with. And even may you may
actually go on to like a panel and talk about
(45:46):
these things. And I suggest that in those types of
situations that you be prepared that some stuff you may
not agree with but come away with at least learning
something and we are not. This is not like rage
baiting or anything like that, which I see a lot
of nowadays, especially on podcasts. We just want to have
(46:09):
the dialogue. We just want to do this journey. We
are passionate about this can work. Where do we start?
I just thought I needed to say that because especially
with this being a heavy episode.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
Yeah, yeah, well, if you got your your power and napping,
you're cool. Hey six hours you know what?
Speaker 1 (46:31):
Yes, I feel good. I feel really good right now.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
I'm glad you forged. They don't don't text me at
four am when you're getting ready to eat lunch.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
I just might because again in UK time.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
Yeah, it's I don't know, like I gets so when
we go in these topics, right, I think people kind
of default to People are always going to default to
their beliefs, right, and which is as great, it's fine,
But like I think sometimes you got to question your source, right,
understanding that like you can, you can listen to anything,
(47:08):
any topic you want to listen to, including this podcast,
with with a certain mindset about what you're expecting to
get out of it, and that's what you'll get. You're
gonna find your answers. You know you've heard, whether you
think you're right or you think you're wrong, you're right,
you know, And I think that's that's the danger in this.
So I think about like the church, for example, and
(47:29):
I'm not I'm not attacking the church here, but when
we were down at that museum there there were so
many different like new like actual news articles, like lippings
from old newspapers, and there would be like respected leaders
and pastors and churches talking very openly, similar to you're
talking about Linda Johnson earlier about like how we need
(47:53):
to control the Negro because they're dangerous for us. And
you're like, oh, like it's it's weird, and just read
it today because nobody is going to be that overt
about it. But but that is is a force, right
if you're if you're a strong believer and this is
your your worship leader saying this is right, this is
(48:15):
what we need to do, a lot of people won't
question it. Yeah, and today's context. Right, if you think
about politics, which I don't like talking about, you can
like you can get an idea for what people think, right,
Like they're the politicians up in front in the limelight
are not going to be shy and hide their feelings
and what they're thinking, or they're going to be you know,
(48:36):
sort of sinky or whatever. But like, you know, you
know what people are thinking, and it's it's super dangerous
because you will, you will feel so strongly about them
on one topic and you know, let's say it's you know,
economic stuff, right, that you will if you're not careful,
you will just blindly agree and fall into these concepts
because that's who you trust. And it's ridiculous. You know,
(48:59):
there's still some people out here that think Jesus is white,
Like okay, let's let's go back historical context here and
let's just think like the Middle East today is the
Middle East of them? Right, Jesus all right? For real?
(49:20):
And then that spins back into the media, right like
every movie you've seen, he is he has been light skinned.
Speaker 1 (49:29):
The Meloden Challenge.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
Yeah, And it's but even that, it's such a such
a simple concept, right like in the church they talk
about every nation and tongue, not just the ones that
look like us. But that's how we that's how we
receive it, that's how we hear it.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
So as soon as you said that, I thought about
a show that I just saw that. I just finished
such a good show, show done. If it's crazy enough.
Everybody knows my low the for Hulu, but they put uh,
they put out a good show on Netflix, not Netflix,
but FX. It was called Showgun and you could watch
(50:14):
it on Hulu. And one of the things, the essential
themes of it are to the victor go the spoils,
and those who are the victors write history. So if
you're the person in power and you're the person of
you know, some status, you're gonna write what you think
(50:35):
is best and what makes you look the best or
feel the best, no matter where you are. In this
particular show, it has been kind of li likened it
to like Game of Thrones or whatever, where it's very
calculating in these decisions and things on the future of
Japan and where it would go, who would belong to
(50:57):
which is crazy to even think, but when you said that,
that just made me think of it. Whoever is in
charge or whoever is has the ability, they're gonna write
what they feel is the narrative that needs to be told.
So in most narratives, he is Melanin challenged.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
Mm hmm, yeah, it's it's really fair that brings me
back to I don't know if we have time to
go into this, but like this this whole idea of
critical race theory.
Speaker 5 (51:28):
And whether or not it's allowed to be taught in schools,
and like even like during Black History Month, right, like
you're you are super famous for anybody that's ever worked
with you over any period of time, during Black History
Month of fun facts and things that like even after
I've been I've been looking at him for years.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
Right, and there's still new new things popping up, Like,
but that's that's history, right, Like it's that new information.
It's just things that have been either whitewashed or forgotten
or were just completely dismissed. I remember we learning about
Jordan Washington Carver, that's we did him. Martin Luther King Jr.
That was, Yeah, learned about Malcolm X. We didn't learn
(52:12):
about so many others, right, that made big waves, big
impacts because we weren't supposed to. That doesn't help the narrative, yeah,
because why the power exactly? Yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:27):
And I remember there was an interview with Tom Hanks
recently regarding the same thing. He was just like, I
can't believe some of the stuff that I'm learning at
this age about black history or just history in general.
He was talking about the Black Wall Street. He was
just like, why is that not talked about? Like the
pictures that I see that come from that are amazing,
(52:51):
and then the aftermath is just heartbreaking. And I think
I've said this before on the show when we talked
about it previously, those things were taught to us to
kind of keep it going, and it would just be
in if you had a black teacher, they would be like, oh,
you know, hey, this, this, this and this, and in
certain instances there would be some pushback from parents about
(53:15):
teaching those types of things. So I don't know, even
if you don't have the power, you do have people
that want to spread that or keep it as if
it's kind of like a folk tale or something like that,
or word of mouth, which is you know how much
most history is. But you do have people that still
are like, Nope, don't want to hear about it. Mm hm.
Speaker 2 (53:33):
Another good example juneteenth. Oh so, and I think this
is funny because so like, this is this at you
multiple ways, right, like from your culture you live in Texas,
like you're around this stuff.
Speaker 1 (53:47):
But man, what it was?
Speaker 2 (53:51):
What year? Was that was it twenty twenty one, when
June teenths was recognized as a national holiday in the
United States, that was crazy, that is Yeah, it's super crazy.
I had heard of Juneteenth. I didn't know a lot
of the history of it. I've learned since, but but like,
I didn't really know anything about Juneteenth. And I remember
(54:12):
talking to you about it, like, hey, so Juneteenth fun.
You're like yeah, and like you like you had history
of family parties and story upon story upon story about
how you celebrated Juneteenth, and how many people listening right now.
I still don't even really know what that history is.
Speaker 1 (54:30):
Yeah. Yeah, it's wild, it is. And I think also
that was one of those instances in my eyes, this
is just me. I was thinking that that was just oh, well,
that's just a black thing. That's just what we do.
So it's it's okay that and it's I shouldn't have
thought about it like that. I was like, well, why
(54:50):
can't we have our own, not our own, but have
it as I recognize holiday as it is independence. You know,
we have so many other or holidays that are based
on other things from not just our culture but other cultures.
And it is significant whether most people want to believe
it or not. It made an impact on some people
(55:13):
who built this country. So to say that it isn't
it shouldn't be recognized, which is an argument for some folks,
But it was just not talked about in other subcrals
just because I think it was like what you want
to really understand what Juneteenth is, kind of like what
(55:35):
you were saying before, not necessarily you don't want to
not offend, but make them uncomfortable when you're like, well,
you know, June teenth is when they free the slaves,
and then immediately you'll see like this kind of it
really does look like a shade is coming down where
just the change in people's faces sometimes when we can
bring that up. So yeah, I don't think a lot
(55:58):
of black people talk about but I mean in Texas
it was just always talked about, it was done, and
it was actually recognized for a long time. You can
take you could take it off. So I just thought
that everybody did. And I was in college when I
realized that that that wasn't a thing.
Speaker 2 (56:15):
Yeah yeah, oh man, stop me if I've already said
this point. But one of my friends in Canada was
making fun of me. One day about something and she
made the comment that you understand the world is bigger
than the United States, right, And I don't eve remember
what the context was, but it was like, huh, I
really like, we're not programmed to think outside of what
(56:38):
we're supposed to think about. And again, the power and
whatever entity you want to call it, right, but like,
but but the power being put over us, Like, Na,
you don't need to worry about that. Don't think about that.
We're not gonna know jazz Holiday. Yeah, it seems like
a little thing. But but how many people like her
(56:58):
Juneteenth and were like, oh great, look how woke we're becoming.
Speaker 1 (57:02):
Right, shut up again. It's still hilarious to me that
people use that and they use it so wrong. It
it's like a bad dad joke to me. It was
just like, really, you're just gonna you're gonna keep using
that completely wrong? All right? Cool, all right, there's a joke.
Speaker 2 (57:24):
Here about you not being woke at seven pm tonight
because you were. You're slumpery.
Speaker 1 (57:33):
You will not hate on me for my my power nap.
Speaker 2 (57:37):
There's not a nap younger than I do most nights.
Speaker 1 (57:42):
My power slumber.
Speaker 2 (57:45):
I don't know you this is like vampire diaries or something.
I don't know what you call it.
Speaker 1 (57:51):
You know what's so horrible? I felt so bad my godmother,
who just recently had surgery. She had sent me a text,
Hey baby, can you bring me this? I had other
people send me a text. The front desk call me
because there was a delivery firm. I didn't hear any
of this.
Speaker 2 (58:09):
Man, you're out out.
Speaker 1 (58:11):
The TV was watching me when I got up because
it was still on, Like, hey, yeah, that's so good,
so good. I think that's going to be a mortalized
it will.
Speaker 2 (58:25):
I think we need to change our artwork somehow, where.
Speaker 1 (58:31):
You just hey, I want to ask you something.
Speaker 2 (58:32):
I want to ask them, Hey, wake up, I got
a question. It's five pm. Oh man, it's a normal
time to be having a conversation. Oh man. No. I
do want to say though, for for anybody listening that
that wants to learn more about this, Like I encourage
(58:54):
everybody to learn as much as you can. Right, question
whatever you want to, Like, it's another thing I think
we're taught not to not to question a lot of
aspects of reality, and it's it's just part of life, right, Like,
you're not wrong for being taught this, but stand up right,
like think for yourself through some of these topics. And
(59:14):
that's kind of how this whole question tonight started as like,
and I'll rewind back to it, is like there are
people out there that believe the color of your skin
dictate something about your personality. That's a ridiculous statement.
Speaker 1 (59:28):
But we are, what.
Speaker 2 (59:32):
Hundreds of years in to this country that was built
on this faulty idea or this ethically wrong idea. So
we're not past it because nobody wants us to be
past it. And if you look like me and you're
wondering how do I get involved? What do I do?
(59:53):
One of the most prolific questions somebody asked me early
on was what are you willing to to give up
to do the right thing? And it was so heavy,
and it was like, well, I don't know, Like I
don't want to I don't want to give up my status,
I don't want to give up my safety whatever. But ultimately,
(01:00:16):
like you, you're going to be and I don't say
this to sound scary, but if you want to go
down this road right and advance the human race instead
of your race, you have to be willing to give
up everything. And I think about that all the time.
And nobody, like nobody took my house, right, Like, that's
not what I'm saying. But but there are gonna be
(01:00:36):
some people that look at you funny, right, And I
think you you really have to think about it and
make a decision. Is is this what's happening today wrong
enough for me to be willing to stand up and
make a change in whatever way? Right, Maybe you record
a podcast, maybe you do some things at work, maybe
like it. It doesn't matter what you do. But I
(01:01:00):
think making that decision is a big deal and it
should be taken seriously.
Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
And I would also like to say you do give
up a lot, but it's kind of like you preparing
for a marathon. You there's so much more that you
are going to gain. The experiences is going to be
so much more richer. You're going to see life so
much more different, and you just change where you are.
You're I call it since I'm much more of a gamer.
(01:01:29):
You've reached the next level that Inboss is gone. You
are onto the next one. So that's much more of
an enriching life and experience, especially when you only got
to see it through one lens and now you got
another one, and not only is the writer, but it's clearer,
and it's just going to continue to get like that
(01:01:50):
with the people, the experiences, and the things that you
accumulate on the journey. So I mean we are proof
of it. Like starting this, I'm pretty sure on the
day that Al sent me that email to have a
video chat with me about a random content creation thing,
(01:02:13):
he never thought he'd be recording a podcast years later
talking about this type of stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
Nope, And you're right, it's it's those little things, right,
and I can I can trace all of this back
to like very little emails, conversation steps, whatever, like start small, fun,
but don't be afraid to let it grow. And I
love the example of like the different lenses. How many
people have you heard that like that eventually got glasses
(01:02:40):
that said, man, I didn't realize how much I couldn't
see it until I got this new lens. Don't rightfully
choose to not get a clearer lens like that. It's
pardon me, but like that's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
Come on, I mean it's just like, yes, everybody loves
to see those types of videos when somebody gets lenses
or hearing aids or something, especially like when you're kids
for the first time, and yeah, they just recognize it
and you can see like the joy in them. You
just experienced life so much more richer.
Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
So yeah, and like, look, we don't even have the
clearest lens yet we're working. We get it. Nope, but
it is clearer than when I started.
Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
I stills from my slumber. Yeah, my nap.
Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
Listen, why don't you Why don't you go get yourself
take yourself out to breakfast. Every restaurant is closed, but
go ahead and go out to breakfast. Start your day
off right.
Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
You will not, you will not. You will not disrespect
my slumber habits. I don't. I don't know how to
napp Somebody teach me. If you got tips. It's either
all or nothing with me. And yeah, I'm probably gonna
be up till about five tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
Will we got nothing going on in the morning, Like
we have to interact with the rest of society.
Speaker 4 (01:04:15):
That is not at all.
Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
It's not like Mother Day. Weekend isn't upon us.
Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
Now you'll be fine.
Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
Oh yeah, thank you everybody for tuning in again. We
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Do not ask you something? Sense it by say what? Video?
Here we go. I don't know about you, but I
never saw our conversations as uncomfortable. I had the understanding of, well,
if he's asking, he's wanting the truth, whether it's uncomfortable
(00:24):
or actually gonna hit him upside the head, it is
what it is, he acts for it.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
I think the uncomfortableness comes from kind of the whole
idea behind this podcast is like, I don't know if
it's okay if I ask this and not is my
question okay?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
But is me asking the question going to be perceived?
Is okay?
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Say what? All right? All right?
Speaker 4 (00:50):
All right?
Speaker 1 (00:52):
You know where you are? Can I ask you something?
Got your girl? Justice?
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Here?
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Hanging with what's formerly known as the artist al.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Tonight Listen, I'm a little disappointed, honestly, Like I always
give you these glowing intros as like the queen of
say what Radio? You just saved my.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Former formally known Yeah, formerly, I really yes, yes, because
I still don't know what you want to go by,
And it's kind of like, do you do you want
to be out tonight? Do you want to be Alex tonight?
Do you want to be a rod next week. I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Oh that's good.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Yeah, oh so good.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Shout out the skip that die and never should.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
It never should. Speaking of shoutouts, we had our first
shout out for the episodes or for the episodes as
of play. And I want to thank Daddy Carlos Chay Carlows.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
I thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. And actually,
on that note, before we get to season two, if
you got comments about what this nickname should be or
my stage name, we're taking suggestions days name. I understand
how dangerous this statement is. Throw it at us.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Please know you asked for this yourself. I just want
you to.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Know that you're heard it here. First, yep, I.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Am still trying to wake up, just so you know.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
And listen, just so the audience is clear. The time
right now is nine to twenty one pm. Justice, what what?
What time did you take your little tigger snooze?
Speaker 1 (02:48):
About three o'clock? Three alot?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Yeah, yep, have breakfast.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
It was just one of those where you you're like, Okay,
I'm gonna watch this YouTube video and then I'm gonna
go and like eat lunch or whatever. Yeah, I still
have any lunch?
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Oh, my gosh.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Oh yeah, yeah, I'm energized for the day. I will
tell you that.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Yeah, good good, enjoys the moonlight.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Hey, I am on UK time. That's what I'm that's
my story and I'm sticking to it.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
That's right. Welcome back, welcome back. So glad to have you.
Oh it's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Yeah, I just want to Hey, it happens, man, you
get past the start, and I'm not a napper. I'm
really not a napper. I know we're we're not into
the topic has but I'm not a napper. I have
always seen naps as something that is very unnecessary. Either
go to sleep or don't because I'm always scared that
I will not wake up in time. And today prove that.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Listen, I agreed to disagree here. I am such a napper.
I can nap with the best of them. I've napped
sitting up, I've napped like laying on stairs, all kinds. Yeah,
you know, you get into a zone. You're playing Barbies,
the barbies are going on the airplane. Obviously that's the
staircase and you go down. Yeah, it happens. I love it,
(04:21):
and I'll tell you what. Like, I'm not generally a
fan of like the ten minute naps that people talk about,
but I did one last week. I was literally just
sitting up mid sentence and fell asleep. And my youngest daughter,
she like pushed me and she's like, hey, did you
fall asleep for real? Like, yeah, I really did. Sorry,
but actually I'm going to go ahead and shout out
(04:42):
Natalie too. My youngest daughter. Today was a big day
for her, and this was her preschool graduation. Let me
tell you, I was not ready for this, No, you never.
I didn't think anything of it until we got there.
They hit that uh, I forget the name of it,
but they graduation music, the Dum Dum dude, and they'll
(05:07):
start walking down and the teachers are all like, you know,
tearing up, like giving their little speeches and stuff. Kids
are singing songs. Yeah, it didn't wreck me, but like
it minor really beat me up.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Definitely put you in a different state of mind.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yeah, by then you were getting ready to.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Yeah. I was probably already in dreamland at that point.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
She had a full day since then three o'clock.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Oh whatever are you asking me a question?
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yeah? Yeah, let's let's get onto that. Yeah, so tonight
I wanna. I want to dump jump in a little
bit deeper than we have and really just not even
dance around anything. I would like to talk about racism tonight.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Oh you do this when I'm when I'm just waking up.
I see, I got you.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
You slept six hours. You should be recharged? Are you kidding? So?
Oh man, there's so many layers to this, so let's
just start here. The idea of racism is really a
(06:19):
social construct, right, meaning us humans. We just made it
into existence. Lots of examples of different things we've done.
Racism is this. But when it really simplify it, it
dumbfountains me because and here's how I'll explain it in
my mind, And this is the question. There are people
(06:42):
out there in twenty twenty four that legitimately think the
color of someone's skin dictates something about them and either
makes them good or makes them bad. And my question
has for real like what it's a real thing, Like
(07:08):
people live on this stuff, Like there are groups dedicated
to getting together to talk about this. And I don't
understand that everybody's got a podcast. I get that, but
like these groups, so I guess, like from your perspective,
from the black perspective. How do you how do you
hear this? How do you understand it? Like, just can
(07:30):
you walk me through this thought process and some of
your experience so with it?
Speaker 1 (07:36):
The way I see it, it's like this, and people
have said this many many times. The contract kind of
came about in early not colonial, but even further back
than that, where it was just it needed to be
like a hierarchy to subjugate a race or type of people,
so to speak, and that has just lasted throughout the ages.
(08:02):
Is it kind of goes with some people and their
football teams. I know that's a weird correlation, but some
people like football teams because their dad like them, or
because their grandfather like them or whatnot. It really isn't
anything behind it, but that's what they know. And a
lot of the times the information that's given to them
(08:24):
isn't in the best life, it isn't in the best
frame or reference, but it is enough to antagonize a
response that is rooted in fear of some sort, and
beyond that it just continues just to be oh, well,
stay away from them and you won't have to worry
(08:45):
about this, which kind of just feeds into that narrative
and the cycle because if you're never around them, you
can never debunk it, right, So yeah, it's just meant
to it's just meant to continue to make one particular race,
or not even one, just racist in general, feel like
(09:06):
there's a cast system when it really has and always
is more about who has more power, who has more
money and access to it. So it's just like if
I can get you to pay attention to this the
London me Johnson, this quote is always hilarious to me.
If you can make the poorest white man hate a
(09:28):
black man, he won't see you picking his pocket. And
again I am paraphrasing this, but this is something that
he actually said in like a conference or something of
an official nature to like a press individual like he
said this, not like it wasn't the quiet part was
said very loud.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Yeah he's twice about that.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Yeah, so, but most people don't see it that way.
The only thing that they see is that it's just
taking things from them. And in my my experience, it's
it's been more of where I don't know you, but
I will, you know, invade your space, I will touch
(10:11):
your trys to touch your hair, and it's more in
microaggressions towards me, whereas dre D and Jules from a
cool black nerd have all experienced it in a more
direct way when it comes to things like, you know,
police and people holding the purse when it comes when
they are entered the room and things like that, or
(10:34):
walking down the street. I believe I told it on
a previous episode where things that I have not experienced,
dre D was always being like either pulled over by
the cops for just no reason and stopped. Uh. And
I actually had a conversation with a with a friend
of mine who is white as well, telling me about
(10:54):
because more than one of us, yeah we got yeah, yeah,
Drad has said this, more than I tend to collect
white people, that is what he has said, and that
it just cracks me up because I don't know how
like what the what the fuck?
Speaker 2 (11:09):
What was that term that justice found another random white person?
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Yeah, he said that, he said that, and I was
just like, I can't stand to I can't stand it.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
One of those was me, so thank you for picking
me up along the way.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
But he was like in shout out to Lando on this,
he was like, we talked about the shared experiences thing,
and he said one of the shared experiences that he
has had is kind of like the absence of most
of the experiences that minorities and people of color have
actually had to go through, specifically one where he has
(11:45):
been escorted out of a hood or like dangerous area
by the police. And when he said that, I was like,
the what He's like, Yeah, they were like you should
not be here at this point in time, and at
this time at night, We're gonna get you somewhere safe.
And he's just like, I'm just here to buy weed.
(12:05):
Why are you bothering me? Wait? When he said I
was like, damn, this is a criminal.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
But you know, all right, man, man, you said so
much there. And I really like the example of the
football team. So it's funny. Grown up in Chicago, I
was always pushed you know, Bears this, Bears that, And
I was probably, like I don't know, thirteen or fourteen
(12:33):
years old and you know, pretty ingrained into football, and
you know, I had Bears jerseys and stuff, and it
was just because like that's what you're supposed to do here,
like there's no other choice and here and ironically enough,
like here you're supposed to hate the Packers. Right. It
was weird because I came to this realization. I was like,
wait a minute, like we're we're like the Browns, but
(12:53):
in like a like a large market, so we think
we're better, right, And it's really one of the worst
run or organizations in professionals over history, right, Like they're
they're so bad all the time, but that's that's kind
of what they are. Like they ironically enough, go back
to history. They still talk about the eighty five Bears
(13:14):
here and everyone's just ingreened in it.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yeah. I've actually heard that from a few people who
have kind of like not necessarily lived for a very
long time in Chicago, but just kind of like, yeah,
I've been here for like five years or whatever. Yeah,
they love their Bears.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Yeah, yeah. And it's it's funny because even so, like
in the sports world, right, like you'll take a Tom
Brady who kind of transcends teams and you just appreciate
watching him. Michael Jordan did the same thing. Patrick Mahomes
is doing that right now, Travis Kelcey all over the
pop scene, right there are some people that transcend it,
(13:55):
I guess is the best way to say it. But
in general, people stick to their guns. That's so interesting.
So let me ask you this too. There's this, I
guess catchphrase out there, right or slogan that says that
racism is taught, Yes, very much, you believe that.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Okay, oh, artedly.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
How like I never took a racism class? Well, right,
but like, where how do you teach racism?
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Well, it's similar to what you were just saying about
the bears. It's just the things that are continuously shown
and taught to you. You were parrot it after a while,
whether you know it or not. It isn't until you
have a course of mind to kind of challenge the
status quo that you've been seeing for god knows how
long that you will tend to just move away from
(14:51):
that or not engage with it. But until then, that's
what most people do. For instance, the isis stuff or
the q andon stuff a lot of them when they
are recruiting people. It is just a lot of stuff
that's been bartering them. And in the beginning, a majority
of those people have said, who have seen the other
(15:12):
side state or start out that I thought this stuff
was crazy, but it was something that resonated with them
at one point in time. And they were like, I
get it, and they continued down the rabbit hole more
and more and more. But it was bombarded at them
for so long, and also it's taught earlier on by
(15:33):
other people unknowingly, just because of the system and the
way that society is kind of set up, especially in
the media. There was a picture or a story that
ran and the picture for it was very telling. There
was a young lady in their sports team. It was
a black woman, I'm assuming, but person of color. Let
(15:57):
me say that, holding her head because this was an
in Australia, so she could have been Aboriginal for all
I know. She was holding her head crying and her
teammates were kind of around her, comforting her. And the
headline rudd that the team will be punished for doping
or they have to face the consequence of doping or whatever.
(16:20):
And what was completely funny was that they it was
just this picture where it looked like it was her
who was caught and she was the only one doing
it and everybody else was fine. And in that one
picture told so many words but didn't say anything. A
teacher showed it to their class because they wanted to
(16:41):
kind of open up the narratives to this and just
ask the kids what they thought, and they said it, well,
it looks like she's the one who was doing it.
And he delved a little bit deeper into it, Well,
what do you think she did? What do you think
this says about people of color that they're bad? It
was really not necessarily eye open, but it was kind
(17:04):
of a short bent into how this stuff just kind
of throws at you. News magazines, if they still print them, newspapers,
all that stuff, what is shown to you and how
it is shown in that light kind of goes to it.
And the biggest thing for it is stuff like movies
or TV, even music, those are the biggest teachers to me.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Yeah, I agree, because it's not like the kids are
watching the news right and we can see it so
clearly there. But these tiny, seemingly tiny little details I
think we forget sometimes. I mean, big media doesn't forget
how much these kids are sponges and they're taking in
(17:50):
so much more than they're actually understanding. They're taking in
themselves and able to even verbalize to you. So to me,
this takes like on the parents and like active fighting, right,
which kind of leads into the idea of Eber and
Kennedy talks so much about anti racism, not just not
(18:10):
being racist, but actively fighting against that.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Yep. It tends to be more of a thing where
parents kind of go, well, they'll learn it, and it's like, no,
you have to teach them. That's why we have so
many people out here who don't watch their legs. So yeah,
Another thing that I think is, you have and I've
(18:35):
even seen this in my family. You have some people
who have been affected in some way, shape or form
by another person, They've been hurt, and they associated with
the entire race. Then you have others who have probably
had the same yet worse, but do not do that.
So it is a choice, and it is something that
(18:56):
is taught because after that, I will never forget. I
have a great uncle, a great great uncle who had passed.
When I told him that I was dating someone who
was not black, he was not having it, and it
was just because you know, the white man has done
this and that. And I was like, well, un you
(19:16):
don't necessarily even know if he's white. I didn't even
say what he was. I just said he was just black.
But that's that was how he felt. And my dad
who is who just turned eighty four and is still
like one of the most loving and caring like people
and so freaking smart when he tells me some of
(19:38):
the stories that he encountered as somebody growing up in Alabama.
Even when we try to research like family history on
his side, we can't because once they go to a
certain point, it literally starts to just say things like
you know, Negro child born or just I won't say
(19:59):
the exp but just the child born. And it's just like, okay,
is this her or this him? You know, trying to
figure that stuff out with it and some of the
stories that he has told me about having to get
off the side of the street, being spit on, being
hemmed up, jacked, other family members actually being lynched for
talking back and things like that, and still is just like, well,
(20:24):
you know, they didn't know. It was not necessarily their nature,
but it was what they were told they were supposed
to do. And I don't fought them for and and
like I said, my great great uncle which was a
little bit older than him, maybe five years five to
ten years or so when he passed, and you couldn't
(20:46):
have told him anything that white people had done that
was great and he was in the army and had
to work alongside them and stuff. But yeah, you couldn't
he would have this. This just I don't know, just
disappointment in them and just attributed to all of them.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Whereas my dad it was just like, yeah, no, that's
I don't believe that you and they would argue about
it a lot mmm.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
And and probably both had these great points that went
unheard because of the preconceived thoughts, right, I.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Will say this, they had great I won't say points
on both sides because I will be honest. My great
great uncle would he just would just it was just
even just mad, and I think that was mainly where
it was, and hurt and just wanted retribution for stuff
that had happened to him, whereas my dad was like, again,
(21:42):
I cannot fault them for stuff that they were told
that they were supposed to do. Yeah, they were an asshole,
but it was that person who was an asshole.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
So yeah, well maybe not even great points, right, but
points from perspective that exactly.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Yeah, it's it's scary, I guess from my seat trying
to raise my kids in a I'll call it a
relatively diverse town. It was much more diverse than where
I grew up.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
And that's you know, I'm I'm constantly picking places like
our church. For example, I specifically selected to start when
we were going to a new church, it was this
one because I knew I could see, like in their
posts and and their videos and stuff I was watching
on land that there was diversity, and they did talk
about it. They would go into these like very specific
(22:35):
topics and it was cool. But it's it's hard to
it's hard to manage it not around all the time.
I remember when and Gracie was probably four at the time,
we went down to Golf Shores, Alabama, and we stopped
at this Legacy Museum. And I've talked about that Brian
Stevenson's break downtown. Uh is Birmingham, I think I forget.
(22:59):
But great museum. Great spot if if you're in the area,
check it out, the Legacy Museum. But there were you know,
they had kids books at the end. And there's this
book I bought for Gracie called Don't Touch My Hair,
and it was we read that book every night for weeks,
right and and just slowly opened up like these little
conversations about why you shouldn't touch somebody's hair, and we
(23:23):
didn't even talk about race initially, and I didn't really
know if any of it was sinking in because you know,
at the same time, I don't want anybody touching her hair,
like it's it's a different thing, but like stay away
from her. She's fine, you can see her from a distance.
But there was where she was talking about bugs one
day and there was you know, some ant coming across. Well,
(23:45):
what kind of ant is it? And like, we don't
even have fire ants up here, but every aunt they
see they think is a bright red fire ant getting
ready to come burn their skin off. And Gracie said
to me, she said, oh, this this ant is a
black and like the little girl in that book that
we read, and she noticed it, and I was like, okay,
let's and so it was she was introduced to I
(24:11):
guess through that book right of like the accepting of people.
And then this was just about hair, right and you know,
we know like in the black community, especially with black women,
hair is a is a big deal. And there's a
lot of points. We could probably do three or four
episodes on that. Let's do that. That'd be fun. Yeah,
but even just like that small perspective, that introduction and
(24:34):
starting at four years old, saying hey, let's just talk
about people. And to this day when she talks about
her friends, like, I'll ask about them, right, And I know,
I really just wanted to make sure she's not hanging
out with all the white kids all the time only
but I'd be like, oh, talk to me about Eva.
What does she look like, right? You know, what kind
of hair does she have? Is she taller than you?
(24:54):
Shorter than you? And she will always at some point
say she won't lead with it, but she'd be like, oh,
she has the most beautiful brown skin. And I love
that because like as a kid, they don't have these filters.
They like us see it, they acknowledge itt oftentimes it's
the first thing we see. But now they're addressing it
(25:16):
in a different way. I don't even think I'm doing
it right, but it's a way right at least to
Ingraine something into that.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Yeah, where it's not different. And the reason why that's
a good thing is because you don't want situations like
I'll never forget this being in target or tart checking out,
and there was a lady and her daughter behind me,
and she was just staring at me in the cashier.
The cashier was of Indian descent and he had a
(25:48):
turban and everything. I'm not sure of his religion and stuff,
so I don't want to say like he was chic
or anything like, I don't really know, but he and
I explained, had exchanged pleasantries stuff in the beginning, and
you just and then when the lady walked up, the
little girl was just like just dead shocked seeing both
of us, and she goes, why did God paint them?
(26:12):
And it's just like I get what she's saying because
we were both just like me and the cashier were
both like waving to her because she was just like
so fascinated or whatnot. But the fact that she just
was like, you know, comfortable enough to be like God
painted you. And it was hilarious to me because she
the actual phrase that she had said, because I remember
(26:33):
that from like a Kevin Costner movie, if I'm not
mistaken it was. It was some movie like that. It
had Morgan Freeman and I cannot remember the name of it.
But it was just like the little girl and asked
him that as well. And I'm just like okay, yeah,
you definitely don't hang around any black people are even
have them near you to just be like, okay, I'll
(26:55):
ask that how old was she? She had to be
all of made these sticks, okay seven at the most.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
What was the parent's response.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Well, baby, it was kind of just like I don't
really know what to do in this situation. I'm super embarrassed,
and the little girl is just looking for an answer,
and I will never forget the cashiergers going like, yes
he did. He painted both of us in a beautiful
shade of brown.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Oh man, thanks for sharing that story, because it's it's man,
it's funny because I think about that all the time,
like if my kids are going to wild out and
say something, you know, in their innocence that just hit
somebody the wrong way, And I think about it a
lot because I want to be cognizant of my respects,
(27:50):
Like I think ninety five percent of the world is
going to be like, oh no, don't say that, and
like the quiet it it's an invitation for dialogue, right
mm hmm. So parents, if you're listening and your kids
says something, don't don't shush them, have the conversation and
(28:11):
if you're uncomfortable, have to tune into say what radio
haven't listened to?
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Can I ask you and you get some talking points?
Get some talking points. I would have liked the mom
to have, you know, actually had that conversation. Well baby, yeah,
well we talked about that people come in different shades
and you know, things like that or whatever. I would
have loved for that to have been the conversation. But
the fact that it was kind of left to us
(28:38):
to figure it out and not make this one make
the lady feel even worse or the little girl just
going like, okay, I'm asking questions here, somebody talk to me, right,
But yeah, that was that was one of those the situations.
And I haven't I I've experienced, like, of course, like racism,
(29:00):
especially when it comes to like my hair and stuff.
And I've experienced it actually more in dating than I
have in anything which is vastly hilarious like.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Grown adults and stuff. Yeah, to be clear, you're not
dating children, like this is reset.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Yeah, yeah, I'm not dating the fact that you now
it's out there, thank you for them. But people are
like people. I mean, she didn't deny it. I'm not
dating children, but yeah, damn you. It is. It has
been just something that is really kind of strange when
(29:44):
it comes to it, because they'll be like, oh, well,
you know you're so beautiful, you're so this, but I
don't want to bring you around their fen and specifically
say I can't bring you around your family or get
very rude in DM and things like that for you
think you're all of that and whatnot. And I don't
(30:05):
get it. It's like I wasn't bothering you. I didn't
even like we were supposed to match. If we liked
each other, we matched just to throw barbs at me
for note, what the hell.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Throw barbs at me? Yeah, it's uh, you brought me back. Man,
How old is that? I must have been in first grade?
Oh man, this is a throwback hearing it here. First
I was madly brushing on this this girl. Her name
was was it Marisela or it doesn't matter at this point.
(30:39):
Oh she's listening because now true feelings are coming out here.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
But yeah, I was first grade and she was Mexican,
and I remember going home asking my grandma. I said, hey,
I had a question for you, and she goes, yeah,
I said, can you marry somebody that's a different color
than you. And I remember I remember her reaction, like,
without hesitation, she said, yep, you sure, Ken, you just
got to find somebody you love and that's who you marry.
(31:03):
And my grandma is one of those that came from
She was from Kentucky during a period where I mean,
it was not really safe to be any color but
white in Kentucky. So even the fact that she said
that way back then, I wish I could remember this
girl's name.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Well, I would think that, you know, it would not
be great that you remember her name right now?
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't want you falling asleep on
the couch.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
For weeks.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
But closing the question to you, where do you think
all of this necessarily comes from? Or in what do
you use? And I know it is something that a
lot of white people don't like to talk about, but
is it like noticed and people just don't want to
talk about don't see it? Because what I'm asking is
(32:02):
it's a if you see something, say something type of situation,
and like you said, it has to be anti racism,
but similar to situations where people will be like I
have a you know, none of my male friends beat
women or attack women. Yet every there's a woman attacked,
like every other millisecond almost, so it's like you do
(32:23):
know someone of it, it's just that nobody's calling them
out on it in that in those sort of sorts
of like situations. So how is it that that can
continue on necessarily?
Speaker 4 (32:33):
Man?
Speaker 2 (32:34):
It's I think a lot of what you described also
happens in the white community, you know. The I think
there's probably in reality. So if we think about people
on one side of the fence or the other, right,
like you know, we can claim member on one side
and activists on the other, not even we can't claim
member real clan members, right, I think there are probably
(32:56):
more people on the fence that don't have bad thoughts
but will also tolerate rough comments or you know, like
you you'll get somebody on the other side of the
fence that will say something right, and it could be
you know, super drastic, it could be just like a
(33:17):
passive comment and it's not talked about, like it might
be looked down upon, but it's not going to be addressed.
I think that's the majority of what happens, I think,
and it's not a case of like a few bad apples.
That's not what I'm saying. But but I think it
is taught super early, and I think kids pick up
on that stuff. I think teenagers probably especially. I think
(33:40):
and if you think about teenagers and you would reference
music earlier, right, and if they're listening to hip hop, right,
like there are I mean, like there are words that
we don't understand and and then there are words that
we should not say that and it becomes weird because
I remember so many kids being like, you know, they
would say the word as they were, you know, wrapping
(34:03):
along to us, something like, oh, it's okay, it's all
part of the song.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Yeah, no it's not.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
It's it's really not right. But but nobody is correcting that,
nobody's checking them because it's I don't know, I think
you almost growing up, you didn't want to be seen
as like somebody who is easily offended, and I think
that's that's what the perception would have been. It's like, oh,
look how soft they are. They won't even say the
N word in the song, like any kind of thought
(34:31):
around it. So yeah, certainly, the the culture that we're in,
whether I mean if it's sports, if it's music, if
it's Teve movies whatever. Like when we were growing up,
like there there was there was no Black Panther. Don't
fight me on this because you'll say, yeah, the comic
was there, but like in our face and like mainstream
(34:52):
media right, like we didn't really see another side. And
it kind of brings me to like the representation piece
of Like, you know, I can't remember if I shared
this story or now, but the very first discussion I
ever had with I, like on the DEI front was
with us. He was at the time Deputy mayor Steve
(35:13):
Anderson out of Shelbourne, Ontario. Shout out of Steve Anderson,
big fan of all his work, but he you know,
we had this like great behind the scenes conversation about like, hey,
we're going to do this this piece on you, but
I just want to get to know you and understand
this area a little bit better. I was like, can
you talk to me about representation? And that's where the
conversation started, and he kind of looked at me funny.
(35:34):
He's like, what do you want to know about representation?
And I said, look, I like all kids that were
around me growing up, I said, I could be whatever
I wanted to be. And they said, if you want
to be a doctor or a lawyer, a firefighter, or
a professional sports like whatever, it didn't matter. And I
could look anywhere and see somebody that looked like me
(35:54):
and those professions. And it wasn't a conscious thought, right,
because it was so visible all the time that I
was like, do whatever, it doesn't matter. Pick you know,
be a garbage man, be a whatever. It didn't matter
what you did because you could see it. And his
point was like, well I couldn't. And and I think
(36:15):
that's a huge part of it.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Now.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
I think we are doing some things today that not
we the media, right, but like there there are people
fighting so that people can see black and brown and
different religions all in a better light that aren't necessarily
just the bad people. Right. It's black people aren't the
(36:37):
only villains in a movie, or brown people aren't, you know,
huh yeah yeah, people of color in general, right, Like, yeah,
which is cool, it's progress, but I don't know, to me,
it feels kind of small. It's it's I'm not dismissing it,
but like, can we do more?
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Yeah? Yeah, I get it, And it does kind of
feel like that because somebody like me I always still
saw it, like he said, because it wasn't in his face.
He felt like he couldn't. I was always of the
mind frame. And this may be because coming from a
female perspective, I was always told I couldn't do this,
I couldn't do that. But it was mainly more because
(37:18):
you're a girl type stuff. So I just always no, no,
you can you can't tell me what I can do.
So I no matter what, I always saw myself in
the situation that I wanted, other positions and things that
I wanted to do. I always saw myself in that
and imagine an imaginative way. But not everybody's a visual learner.
(37:42):
Some people can be told that, but other most people
are visual where they have to see it. Yeah, it
is a person in there, but I don't see myself
in it. M So the representation part does always affect
in a different way.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Yeah, And I don't want to dismiss that either, because
like what, I see that in you, right, And I
didn't know you when you were a child or anything.
But but you're also not average, right you are you
are more driven and more than the person. And so
so I think as a whole though we have to
think about to your point, the visual learners, the different
(38:21):
type Like there's so many different learning styles, right, and
all these like people will make these subsets of things,
like there's this thing out there called uh, I don't
know what to call it, but it's it's human design, right,
and and it's very detailed, very intricate, and I think
based some in some in astrology, but it pulls together
a bunch of different things, right. And so I read
this one time about like, Okay, who who am I?
(38:43):
According to this? And I was kind of dumbfounded at
how much like how accurate it was. And one of
the things in that that I learned about was that
I it's not even that I learned it. I think
I just realized it. But this idea that like I
am comfortable moving on feelings. There are some people that
(39:03):
need mountains of data to be able to make a
move and do what they want to do. But like,
but in general, like I can feel something, understand it,
know it, and move comfortably without having to make sure
every I has doted and every tea is crossed. And
it was interesting to me because like, that's it's also
part of my learning style, and I can see something
(39:26):
hands on and do it. Like I told you before
we started recording, something like I'm trying to learn the
guitar and so I'll watch YouTube videos, I'll read everything
I can do. But like you put me in the
room with somebody who can play the guitar and like,
be patient for fifteen minutes and I can pick up
a whole lot more doing that. And so that's not
that different from the representation piece of it.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
It really isn't, I think with majority of those types
of things, just like we said before, with how racism
can spread and be indoctrinated to a lot of people. Uh,
seeing it is believing it. And it also means that
when you do see it, it's not in a in
a half assed way. Like there was a movie that
(40:08):
came out, the Think's Association or something of Magical Negroes,
And when I tell you that would that was some bullshit.
The premise of the movie is literally magical black people
whose only task is to make white people feel better
(40:30):
without them knowing.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
What.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
Yeah, it is. It is completely asinine. But seeing something
like that, that's not representation, right, Seeing something like Black
Panther and then seeing something like Boys in the Hood
those are different versions of representation.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Mm hmm. So it depends on the lens you look
at it from.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Me exactly exactly. So having that having both of those
frames of reference is crucial to being able to see
that stuff. But it's also triggering for some people because
there is this feeling of kind of placating to like
black trauma. So some of those things that it depends
(41:18):
on how you're doing the representation. I'm sure that Asian
people or others wouldn't want to see like massacres from
their specific eras in their countries all the time, or
even just the times where you have like movies like
Breakfast at Tiffany's where you have someone who was whitewashing
(41:42):
an Asian character and sort of making them a caricature.
You don't want to see that type of stuff all
the time. But I'm also wondering if being able to
see what you should not do is something that should
be a part of it. You see what I'm saying,
Like being able to say no, don't do that.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Yeah? Yeah, I think given those examples, right, like you
can point out like, yeah, this is not good, like
can we all agree this is not good?
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Yeah? Yeah, I always just wonder if that is something
that is a part of the conversation, if that makes sense,
being able to say specifically what is uncomfortable, what is
not in those in those aspects. And I know that,
you know, there will probably be some people like, well,
you didn't talk about this, but there's like, well, oh no,
you know, there's reverse racism when it comes to things,
(42:31):
and I would like to specifically say when we are
talking about these sorts of things, racism is, in my mind,
something where another race is seen to be oppressed or
subjugated in some way, shape or form. There's also discrimination,
which is what can be conflated with both. And I
(42:52):
do see that happen. As I said with my uncle, yeah,
just straight up did not care. But we can't. We
do have to put both in different lanes, if that
makes sense, because I think if we just throw it
all in the same thing, it's going to one get
money and two we don't actually solve either of the
(43:13):
problems because we're fighting trying to do the definitions at
that point.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
Yeah, man, that that's a whole nother debate too. And
I've had a lot of these discussions with some friends
and the idea of like, well, I mean just on
the bare surface of can black people be racist? Right,
and it's it's super interesting. But back to what we
started talking about on this, it all has to do
(43:39):
with power.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
Yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
If you don't have the power and you don't have
the control, it's a different Like I'm not saying that
it's correct, I'm not saying that susceptible or right, but
that's different than what we're talking about. What you're doing
is you're dumb and down or you're you're like you're
watering down. The idea of racism is like this bad thing.
I was like, well, black people can do it too, No, listen,
(44:05):
you don't have.
Speaker 4 (44:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And it's and those are.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
I don't know, let's call them like four hundred level classes, right,
Like those are those are tough, and those are intricate
and and it and I get frustrated too, like when
it feels like every time you bring up the idea
of racism in America, you go immediately back to slavery.
And the dangerous part about that, in my mind anyways,
(44:33):
is you're acting like it's an old thing. You're acting
like it's over, You're acting like it's well we don't
do that anymore, So what's about Yeah, no, no, no,
that was the birth of it, right, but but it's
still growing and at an unbelievable rate. And I think
(44:53):
it's it's almost I don't want to say it's scarier,
but like, but there's a scary aspect to it now
because it's it's not so overt. Yeah, you talked about
the term microaggressions, right, and it like even that's like
a relatively basic term that you know, you know when
you see it, hard to prove or whatever sometimes, but
that's what keeps it alive. It's it's those little, seemingly
(45:16):
little things that fan the flames that keep progress from stopping. Woof.
I'm on one now.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
And again we didn't preface this before, but again this
is us as two friends who want to have these
conversations and talk about it and open the dialogue for
others to also do the exact same thing with someone
that they feel comfortable with. And even may you may
actually go on to like a panel and talk about
(45:46):
these things. And I suggest that in those types of
situations that you be prepared that some stuff you may
not agree with but come away with at least learning
something and we are not. This is not like rage
baiting or anything like that, which I see a lot
of nowadays, especially on podcasts. We just want to have
(46:09):
the dialogue. We just want to do this journey. We
are passionate about this can work. Where do we start?
I just thought I needed to say that because especially
with this being a heavy episode.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
Yeah, yeah, well, if you got your your power and napping,
you're cool. Hey six hours you know what?
Speaker 1 (46:31):
Yes, I feel good. I feel really good right now.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
I'm glad you forged. They don't don't text me at
four am when you're getting ready to eat lunch.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
I just might because again in UK time.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
Yeah, it's I don't know, like I gets so when
we go in these topics, right, I think people kind
of default to People are always going to default to
their beliefs, right, and which is as great, it's fine,
But like I think sometimes you got to question your source, right,
understanding that like you can, you can listen to anything,
(47:08):
any topic you want to listen to, including this podcast,
with with a certain mindset about what you're expecting to
get out of it, and that's what you'll get. You're
gonna find your answers. You know you've heard, whether you
think you're right or you think you're wrong, you're right,
you know, And I think that's that's the danger in this.
So I think about like the church, for example, and
(47:29):
I'm not I'm not attacking the church here, but when
we were down at that museum there there were so
many different like new like actual news articles, like lippings
from old newspapers, and there would be like respected leaders
and pastors and churches talking very openly, similar to you're
talking about Linda Johnson earlier about like how we need
(47:53):
to control the Negro because they're dangerous for us. And
you're like, oh, like it's it's weird, and just read
it today because nobody is going to be that overt
about it. But but that is is a force, right
if you're if you're a strong believer and this is
your your worship leader saying this is right, this is
(48:15):
what we need to do, a lot of people won't
question it. Yeah, and today's context. Right, if you think
about politics, which I don't like talking about, you can
like you can get an idea for what people think, right,
Like they're the politicians up in front in the limelight
are not going to be shy and hide their feelings
and what they're thinking, or they're going to be you know,
(48:36):
sort of sinky or whatever. But like, you know, you
know what people are thinking, and it's it's super dangerous
because you will, you will feel so strongly about them
on one topic and you know, let's say it's you know,
economic stuff, right, that you will if you're not careful,
you will just blindly agree and fall into these concepts
because that's who you trust. And it's ridiculous. You know,
(48:59):
there's still some people out here that think Jesus is white,
Like okay, let's let's go back historical context here and
let's just think like the Middle East today is the
Middle East of them? Right, Jesus all right? For real?
(49:20):
And then that spins back into the media, right like
every movie you've seen, he is he has been light skinned.
Speaker 1 (49:29):
The Meloden Challenge.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
Yeah, And it's but even that, it's such a such
a simple concept, right like in the church they talk
about every nation and tongue, not just the ones that
look like us. But that's how we that's how we
receive it, that's how we hear it.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
So as soon as you said that, I thought about
a show that I just saw that. I just finished
such a good show, show done. If it's crazy enough.
Everybody knows my low the for Hulu, but they put uh,
they put out a good show on Netflix, not Netflix,
but FX. It was called Showgun and you could watch
(50:14):
it on Hulu. And one of the things, the essential
themes of it are to the victor go the spoils,
and those who are the victors write history. So if
you're the person in power and you're the person of
you know, some status, you're gonna write what you think
(50:35):
is best and what makes you look the best or
feel the best, no matter where you are. In this
particular show, it has been kind of li likened it
to like Game of Thrones or whatever, where it's very
calculating in these decisions and things on the future of
Japan and where it would go, who would belong to
(50:57):
which is crazy to even think, but when you said that,
that just made me think of it. Whoever is in
charge or whoever is has the ability, they're gonna write
what they feel is the narrative that needs to be told.
So in most narratives, he is Melanin challenged.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
Mm hmm, yeah, it's it's really fair that brings me
back to I don't know if we have time to
go into this, but like this this whole idea of
critical race theory.
Speaker 5 (51:28):
And whether or not it's allowed to be taught in schools,
and like even like during Black History Month, right, like
you're you are super famous for anybody that's ever worked
with you over any period of time, during Black History
Month of fun facts and things that like even after
I've been I've been looking at him for years.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
Right, and there's still new new things popping up, Like,
but that's that's history, right, Like it's that new information.
It's just things that have been either whitewashed or forgotten
or were just completely dismissed. I remember we learning about
Jordan Washington Carver, that's we did him. Martin Luther King Jr.
That was, Yeah, learned about Malcolm X. We didn't learn
(52:12):
about so many others, right, that made big waves, big
impacts because we weren't supposed to. That doesn't help the narrative, yeah,
because why the power exactly? Yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:27):
And I remember there was an interview with Tom Hanks
recently regarding the same thing. He was just like, I
can't believe some of the stuff that I'm learning at
this age about black history or just history in general.
He was talking about the Black Wall Street. He was
just like, why is that not talked about? Like the
pictures that I see that come from that are amazing,
(52:51):
and then the aftermath is just heartbreaking. And I think
I've said this before on the show when we talked
about it previously, those things were taught to us to
kind of keep it going, and it would just be
in if you had a black teacher, they would be like, oh,
you know, hey, this, this, this and this, and in
certain instances there would be some pushback from parents about
(53:15):
teaching those types of things. So I don't know, even
if you don't have the power, you do have people
that want to spread that or keep it as if
it's kind of like a folk tale or something like that,
or word of mouth, which is you know how much
most history is. But you do have people that still
are like, Nope, don't want to hear about it. Mm hm.
Speaker 2 (53:33):
Another good example juneteenth. Oh so, and I think this
is funny because so like, this is this at you
multiple ways, right, like from your culture you live in Texas,
like you're around this stuff.
Speaker 1 (53:47):
But man, what it was?
Speaker 2 (53:51):
What year? Was that was it twenty twenty one, when
June teenths was recognized as a national holiday in the
United States, that was crazy, that is Yeah, it's super crazy.
I had heard of Juneteenth. I didn't know a lot
of the history of it. I've learned since, but but like,
I didn't really know anything about Juneteenth. And I remember
(54:12):
talking to you about it, like, hey, so Juneteenth fun.
You're like yeah, and like you like you had history
of family parties and story upon story upon story about
how you celebrated Juneteenth, and how many people listening right now.
I still don't even really know what that history is.
Speaker 1 (54:30):
Yeah. Yeah, it's wild, it is. And I think also
that was one of those instances in my eyes, this
is just me. I was thinking that that was just oh, well,
that's just a black thing. That's just what we do.
So it's it's okay that and it's I shouldn't have
thought about it like that. I was like, well, why
(54:50):
can't we have our own, not our own, but have
it as I recognize holiday as it is independence. You know,
we have so many other or holidays that are based
on other things from not just our culture but other cultures.
And it is significant whether most people want to believe
it or not. It made an impact on some people
(55:13):
who built this country. So to say that it isn't
it shouldn't be recognized, which is an argument for some folks,
But it was just not talked about in other subcrals
just because I think it was like what you want
to really understand what Juneteenth is, kind of like what
(55:35):
you were saying before, not necessarily you don't want to
not offend, but make them uncomfortable when you're like, well,
you know, June teenth is when they free the slaves,
and then immediately you'll see like this kind of it
really does look like a shade is coming down where
just the change in people's faces sometimes when we can
bring that up. So yeah, I don't think a lot
(55:58):
of black people talk about but I mean in Texas
it was just always talked about, it was done, and
it was actually recognized for a long time. You can
take you could take it off. So I just thought
that everybody did. And I was in college when I
realized that that that wasn't a thing.
Speaker 2 (56:15):
Yeah yeah, oh man, stop me if I've already said
this point. But one of my friends in Canada was
making fun of me. One day about something and she
made the comment that you understand the world is bigger
than the United States, right, And I don't eve remember
what the context was, but it was like, huh, I
really like, we're not programmed to think outside of what
(56:38):
we're supposed to think about. And again, the power and
whatever entity you want to call it, right, but like,
but but the power being put over us, Like, Na,
you don't need to worry about that. Don't think about that.
We're not gonna know jazz Holiday. Yeah, it seems like
a little thing. But but how many people like her
(56:58):
Juneteenth and were like, oh great, look how woke we're becoming.
Speaker 1 (57:02):
Right, shut up again. It's still hilarious to me that
people use that and they use it so wrong. It
it's like a bad dad joke to me. It was
just like, really, you're just gonna you're gonna keep using
that completely wrong? All right? Cool, all right, there's a joke.
Speaker 2 (57:24):
Here about you not being woke at seven pm tonight
because you were. You're slumpery.
Speaker 1 (57:33):
You will not hate on me for my my power nap.
Speaker 2 (57:37):
There's not a nap younger than I do most nights.
Speaker 1 (57:42):
My power slumber.
Speaker 2 (57:45):
I don't know you this is like vampire diaries or something.
I don't know what you call it.
Speaker 1 (57:51):
You know what's so horrible? I felt so bad my godmother,
who just recently had surgery. She had sent me a text,
Hey baby, can you bring me this? I had other
people send me a text. The front desk call me
because there was a delivery firm. I didn't hear any
of this.
Speaker 2 (58:09):
Man, you're out out.
Speaker 1 (58:11):
The TV was watching me when I got up because
it was still on, Like, hey, yeah, that's so good,
so good. I think that's going to be a mortalized
it will.
Speaker 2 (58:25):
I think we need to change our artwork somehow, where.
Speaker 1 (58:31):
You just hey, I want to ask you something.
Speaker 2 (58:32):
I want to ask them, Hey, wake up, I got
a question. It's five pm. Oh man, it's a normal
time to be having a conversation. Oh man. No. I
do want to say though, for for anybody listening that
that wants to learn more about this, Like I encourage
(58:54):
everybody to learn as much as you can. Right, question
whatever you want to, Like, it's another thing I think
we're taught not to not to question a lot of
aspects of reality, and it's it's just part of life, right, Like,
you're not wrong for being taught this, but stand up right,
like think for yourself through some of these topics. And
(59:14):
that's kind of how this whole question tonight started as like,
and I'll rewind back to it, is like there are
people out there that believe the color of your skin
dictate something about your personality. That's a ridiculous statement.
Speaker 1 (59:28):
But we are, what.
Speaker 2 (59:32):
Hundreds of years in to this country that was built
on this faulty idea or this ethically wrong idea. So
we're not past it because nobody wants us to be
past it. And if you look like me and you're
wondering how do I get involved? What do I do?
(59:53):
One of the most prolific questions somebody asked me early
on was what are you willing to to give up
to do the right thing? And it was so heavy,
and it was like, well, I don't know, Like I
don't want to I don't want to give up my status,
I don't want to give up my safety whatever. But ultimately,
(01:00:16):
like you, you're going to be and I don't say
this to sound scary, but if you want to go
down this road right and advance the human race instead
of your race, you have to be willing to give
up everything. And I think about that all the time.
And nobody, like nobody took my house, right, Like, that's
not what I'm saying. But but there are gonna be
(01:00:36):
some people that look at you funny, right, And I
think you you really have to think about it and
make a decision. Is is this what's happening today wrong
enough for me to be willing to stand up and
make a change in whatever way? Right, Maybe you record
a podcast, maybe you do some things at work, maybe
like it. It doesn't matter what you do. But I
(01:01:00):
think making that decision is a big deal and it
should be taken seriously.
Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
And I would also like to say you do give
up a lot, but it's kind of like you preparing
for a marathon. You there's so much more that you
are going to gain. The experiences is going to be
so much more richer. You're going to see life so
much more different, and you just change where you are.
You're I call it since I'm much more of a gamer.
(01:01:29):
You've reached the next level that Inboss is gone. You
are onto the next one. So that's much more of
an enriching life and experience, especially when you only got
to see it through one lens and now you got
another one, and not only is the writer, but it's clearer,
and it's just going to continue to get like that
(01:01:50):
with the people, the experiences, and the things that you
accumulate on the journey. So I mean we are proof
of it. Like starting this, I'm pretty sure on the
day that Al sent me that email to have a
video chat with me about a random content creation thing,
(01:02:13):
he never thought he'd be recording a podcast years later
talking about this type of stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
Nope, And you're right, it's it's those little things, right,
and I can I can trace all of this back
to like very little emails, conversation steps, whatever, like start small, fun,
but don't be afraid to let it grow. And I
love the example of like the different lenses. How many
people have you heard that like that eventually got glasses
(01:02:40):
that said, man, I didn't realize how much I couldn't
see it until I got this new lens. Don't rightfully
choose to not get a clearer lens like that. It's
pardon me, but like that's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
Come on, I mean it's just like, yes, everybody loves
to see those types of videos when somebody gets lenses
or hearing aids or something, especially like when you're kids
for the first time, and yeah, they just recognize it
and you can see like the joy in them. You
just experienced life so much more richer.
Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
So yeah, and like, look, we don't even have the
clearest lens yet we're working. We get it. Nope, but
it is clearer than when I started.
Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
I stills from my slumber. Yeah, my nap.
Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
Listen, why don't you Why don't you go get yourself
take yourself out to breakfast. Every restaurant is closed, but
go ahead and go out to breakfast. Start your day
off right.
Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
You will not, you will not. You will not disrespect
my slumber habits. I don't. I don't know how to
napp Somebody teach me. If you got tips. It's either
all or nothing with me. And yeah, I'm probably gonna
be up till about five tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
Will we got nothing going on in the morning, Like
we have to interact with the rest of society.
Speaker 4 (01:04:15):
That is not at all.
Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
It's not like Mother Day. Weekend isn't upon us.
Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
Now you'll be fine.
Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
Oh yeah, thank you everybody for tuning in again. We
cannot say how much it meets us that you are
choosing us to be on this journey and just to listen,
even if you don't like some of the stuff that
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