Cola From The OBGMs - 2.0

This musician is one of our all time favourites.  He is so gracious with his time, and this conversation really goes in depth into the band's writing style, and an awesome and hopeful conversation about the state of the music industry in Canada, and of course somehow always leading back to our Wavelength friend, Jonny Dovercourt!!  Can't wait to see The OBGMs live coming up at Velvet Underground...!

The OBGMs' webite:
 https://theobgms.com/

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, it's Dimitri here from Canadian as Heck. Can you
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
You can start, we can start.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
Oh bye, welcome back to Canadian as Heck.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Right there right there through the OBGNS.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
How you.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Yeah, I think this is episode one five, if I'm
not mistaken, episode nice right, yeah, yeah, that's one four points.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
Shut up about that crowd, all.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Right about that crop? Yeah, so listen, let's let's let's
take it away. Boys, Let's get her going, shall we.
We friends are are one of our Revolution Radio besties here.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Cole Anthony has joined us from the OBGMS. Around of
applause and let's get around of applause happening.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
Yeah, man, you.

Speaker 4 (01:21):
Guysn't show me super love like forever, and like I
really I really really do appreciate it. Like there's not
really a day that goes by that I'm not appreciative of,
like the love. Yeah, and I wish the world had
a little bit more of that crazy times.

Speaker 5 (01:40):
Right, Yeah, it won't.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
It won't get much more crazy than tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (01:46):
What's happening tomorrow? Right?

Speaker 3 (01:49):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Derek, Sure, yeah, Derek is, Derek is. Derek is doing
what we call in Canada. You you plead the fifth
in the United States and Canada. It's eleven C. Just
so you guys know, really high.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
Leven of the charter, right okay.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Part of me, Jenny, the right not to incriminate yourself.
Jenny just told me eleven C. That's that's in the
charter in Canada.

Speaker 5 (02:13):
This will be good for my criminal you know, pull
your microphone is on. You've just incriminated yourself, right.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
Yeah, exactly, I pleaded the eleventh C.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Eleventh. There it is, dude. Again, we really appreciate you
being here. So we've got we got some great stuff
to talk about tonight, my friend. So let's get to it.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Yeah, brand brand new album came out came out a
few weeks ago called Sorry It's Over.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
Yes, Yes, with a title like.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Sorry. He's in Outawa, so from time to time he
may have to repeat himself.

Speaker 5 (03:00):
As we know it really is it really is.

Speaker 6 (03:06):
Why is he there with the title with a title
with a title like sort okay, with a title like
sorry it's over, we have no worry about.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Oh, he's a good question with a title like sorry
it's over. Is there something that the obgms are not
telling us?

Speaker 3 (03:25):
No, No, okay, we are not We're not breaking up.
We're not breaking up. That's that's not happening. Sorry, Sorry
it's over. Was more?

Speaker 4 (03:38):
Uh Like that's Denz's idea. I mean, obviously Den's is
the voice of the band, and it's basically like the
album cycles through this well, not just this traumatic relationship
that he's had, but a series of traumatic and awful

(03:58):
like relationships, friendship, business dealings all smashed into one.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
So sorry it's over. Those are over. You know what
I mean?

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Got it?

Speaker 3 (04:08):
So, yeah, don't worry. We're not breaking up. We're not
gonna like I'm gonna be doing music until I'm dead.

Speaker 4 (04:17):
So it just is what it is. Yeah, we're this
is this is not ending. In fact, we were literally
yesterday just talking about the fact that we need to
get the next album up and ready.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
For twenty twenty five. So wow yeah, like wow, Like,
let's think of the times right now, right Like it's
kind of like you have to keep going, you have
to keep pumping out records.

Speaker 4 (04:44):
And not only that, Like, first of all, pumping out
records not a problem. I think, like when we're all
in the room together, it's easy to do. Like and
not only that, but I think dens is, especially as
of like the last four or five years, it has
been like a complete workhorse. And like he'll he'll do

(05:08):
sessions by himself where he comes and like we'll fully
write out certain parts and then meet with us and
then completely change those parts. And then and then we'll
completely change those parts and then we'll go through them
a million times, get to the studio, completely change everything
again and just hammer it out and hammer it away and.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
Like so once again, like making music is not a
problem for us.

Speaker 4 (05:34):
And even at that, like when we're thinking about how
music essentially gets done right, Like I was talking to
Jesse from DFA about this, but he's just like he's like,
if you think about the Rolling Stones, he's like, he's like,
in his opinion, they don't have like one amazing album,

(05:56):
but they got hits throughout all their albums, right, So
it's just like and and the thing is too is
like the type of artist.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
I am, like I am, I'm not after.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
Like like per se a hit, but I am after
making great bodies of work. I would not stand I
would not stand beside a record that I was not
field like at all. I just wouldn't like it. And
I think I would make that vocalized. And I think
Den's is so like if I was complaining about it,

(06:31):
he would get so mad that he would do everything
in his power to make that song likable to me
in order to move forward.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
With it, you know what I mean? And yeah, so yeah, yeah,
so it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
Stop and this is and this is your first album
that you've made with Simon? Yes, and so how did
how did he how did he acclimatize himself?

Speaker 4 (06:58):
So, man, Simon, it was he leveled us up, Like period,
he leveled us up. If you've ever heard this guy
played guitar, it's fucking insane, Like it's completely insane. And
he's he like me, is has been known for doing
like a lot of sessions and like with different artists
and whatnot, touring with other artists and whatnot, Like he's

(07:19):
known for that. So he already came in prepared when
we first hired him. He was like he was, he
was like, I'm in like like whatever you guys need,
and he instantly leveled up every single song that we
already had. So then when we came in and we
were working with him in his studio, and I've worked
with him on projects other than the Obigms, right like

(07:40):
just outside of outside of our band, like you know,
whether it be sessions that we've worked on or sessions
that we worked on. And dude, he's obsessed with making
great records and and he's also amazing player. So it
was kind of like Denon's had a moment in time

(08:03):
when we were rehearsing, It's.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
Like where where are you ten years ago?

Speaker 4 (08:12):
So yeah, so it was honestly, he's the perfect fit
and I can't wait to make.

Speaker 7 (08:17):
More records with him, like like as mentioned and as
and as we mentioned last time, gorgeous mane of hair.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
Oh dude, he cut his hair and it's still amazing.
It's still amazing.

Speaker 4 (08:34):
Like so his hair was like devils and he cut
it up to his shoulders, but when he plays, it
still covers his face, so it still looks amazing.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
That handsome bastard.

Speaker 5 (08:48):
I enjoy the fact that nipples is a point of measurement.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
It absolutely is because I used to have hair pass
my nipples.

Speaker 5 (08:56):
And you know, you know, as a life happened.

Speaker 4 (09:00):
Life happens, and stress happens, and then you just you
lose a little bit, so you'll get rid of all
of it.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
Yeah, children take all of it. My daughter has like
the bost terrific head of hair.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
So does my daughter. Yeah, and beautiful hair.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
And I'm just like, yeah, thanks for taking that away.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
Right, it's like your first try and you get perfect hair.
My hair sucks, right, you know, and.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
Yours is better than mine.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
You have for maybe a little bit longer, my friend,
just a little Derek, don't fucking say it. Anyone's gonna
say it. It's going to be that guy there anyway.

Speaker 5 (09:46):
Okay, I like them in first position. That actually makes
me feel good.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
That I could. I'm not just gonna leave it. You
look good. You look like you're the host, the actual host.
Here's that too, absolutely, So listen, we got to talk,
my friend. Are you getting a new set of drums

(10:10):
for the new tour? What's happening?

Speaker 3 (10:12):
No?

Speaker 2 (10:13):
No, okay, so if I'm not, But if I'm not mistaken, though,
you've got a sweet you have Wait a second, Ludwig's No, no,
no again, no Tama. Yes, you've got Tama's that's right. Okay.
I knew it wasn't Yamaha or Purple, so I thought
I would start with the big three, right, So good

(10:35):
for you.

Speaker 4 (10:35):
It's funny too, so so yeah, I have Tama art Stars.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Yeah, the art stars, that's right.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
I play in a drum line and the Yeah, that's wicked.

Speaker 4 (10:49):
I play in a drum line and it's it's really fun. Actually,
I actually love it.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
I wish I could do it every day, to be
honest with you. But anyway, playing this drum line and
all of the are drummers.

Speaker 4 (11:01):
And I thought I was obsessed with drums. I was
absolutely wrong. These guys are obsessed with drums.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
They sent me, like, my boy, he sent me this
beautiful It was a beautiful fucking Yamaha Tour custom, which
is my like one of my favorite kids.

Speaker 8 (11:16):
Right.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
They're beautiful and great, they're amazing, But they don't have
like a big color palette, right. They have this like
it was like this ocean blue finish. Like is this
limited edition edition Joint.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
Thirteen's fourteen sixteen twenty two the biggest Tom's ever?

Speaker 8 (11:38):
Wow?

Speaker 5 (11:38):
And I was just like, okay, twenty two inch tom.

Speaker 4 (11:42):
No, no, no, twenty two inch k but like but
like a fourteen inch like raf tom.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
Yeah, that's huge. That it's massive, right, that's like cutting
a floor tom in half and putting it on top
of your bass drum. That's nuts, like exactly, that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
Yeah, yeah, it's nuts. And I was like, okay, I
just gotta figure this out. And then not only did
it not happen, but my boy Matt, he was like, yo,
you better get him quit and I was like, okay,
I'll get him. And I didn't get them.

Speaker 4 (12:20):
And not only did I not get them, I went
to a gig and one of the other drummers bought it.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Ohally, did they let you play it?

Speaker 8 (12:31):
No?

Speaker 2 (12:31):
Oh, sure, that's true.

Speaker 4 (12:32):
It's wherever he keeps his drums. We have, we have
our drum line drums like you know. Yeah, but it
was just like it was just like, yeah, he kind
of scooped them, We swooped it, and they were for
a good price too.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
I just couldn't make it work, like at the time,
which is why I haven't bought me drum. It's like
something just keeps coming up.

Speaker 4 (12:52):
I told you guys earlier, like my interface like just
went out, fine whatever, my computer fixing.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
I have a hard drive.

Speaker 4 (12:59):
That I got to get some like old stuff off of,
like employee stuff.

Speaker 5 (13:05):
Though, like that is so expensive, you know, it's.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
So expensive just to retrieve all of that.

Speaker 4 (13:10):
And then it's just like it's just this thing here,
this thing there, and and it's just thing after thing
after thing, and it's just like there's no way that
I would be able to muster up the cash. And
on top of that, the thing that I need more
than the drums is new symbols. So I was working
on a sponsorship from Bosphorus because the representatives they're amazing,

(13:33):
They're fantastic. The guy here, he contacted me, I bought
my high hats are from them. They're awesome. And then
I hit him up like so I can come through
and look for more. And then not only did he
not respond, but Simon swooped in and he had to

(13:53):
connect that Sabian and you know, to to to some
two big symbols for the price of board. Okay, you
know what I'm saying, Like, I mean, come on, you know.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
No, that's that's fantastic. Good for you. I don't have
an endorsement or anything. But I happen to old, happen
to be old dear friends with the with the Canadian
representative of Yamahon Pisty. So that's what I have sitting back.

Speaker 4 (14:21):
Yeah, you probably just have stacks and stacks of metal
behind the.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Yeah, I mean, I've got a few. If you need
any first session or anything like that, you give me,
you know, shoot me a call, I'll be I'll be happy.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
But you know what, I might just do that if
it depends on how If you.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Need other sounds, no problem. I'd be happy to drive
a ride, crash and hats to you, no problem.

Speaker 4 (14:44):
Yeah, hell yeah, man, Like especially like we obviously how
this next record goes, Like I'm hoping we hop in
at least by February.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
Right record to record.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
Oh wow, you guys have got tunes already.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
No no, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
Okay, so you're you're just probably start writing now, I guess, yeah,
start writing now.

Speaker 4 (15:03):
Like even though like we got like this little tour
coming up, and like just got off of the Australian
tour too, which wasn't really a tour, it was a festival.
We just played like four shows, so yeah, and made
a bunch of connections out there.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
That was a that was a whole experience too.

Speaker 5 (15:21):
Like you know, we'll talk about like playing upside down.

Speaker 4 (15:28):
It's it's it's weird because you know, toilet goes counterclockwise.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
It really does.

Speaker 5 (15:33):
It really does.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
Such a trip, man, Yeah, it's it's a trip. You
want to hear the biggest trip though. I went to
Homie's house yesterday and his toilet goes counterclock lives Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
Fuck?

Speaker 5 (15:45):
Did he manage that?

Speaker 2 (15:46):
How did you have? How did you fly back from
south of the equator so quickly?

Speaker 3 (15:50):
I have? I have no idea. What wh Where do
you live on Duffered? He lives on Duffered in Toronto?
So I was like I noticed it, like you know,
I'm just suppoted to take a fuss. And then I
flushed it and I was like, Eh, that's not supposed
to happen here.

Speaker 5 (16:11):
Maybe it's a directional thing. Maybe maybe the the like the.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
Like the pistons are pointing the opposite way.

Speaker 5 (16:19):
Like instead of going one, yeah, they're going the opposite way.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Maybe Dufferin's on a weird axis or something like that.

Speaker 5 (16:26):
Maybe his toilet's on a slight angle.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
Yeah, it could be that too. Oh I hope the
house was not leaning. Oh my god, that would.

Speaker 5 (16:34):
Be It's different, it's not.

Speaker 9 (16:36):
It's not out of the question. Yeah, not leaning. No,
you were talking about tunes. Yeah, and now do you
create tunes out of jams or like do you go
in with written No.

Speaker 4 (16:54):
We all flex ideas and bring ideas. Dens comes up
with the most because he's a psycho path and like
he makes the time for it. Like one thing I'm
learning about, like being in a band is like you
make the time for what you can do. It's it's
harder for me because.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
I'm a dad of two now right straight up, and
and and on top of that, like doing sessions and
working for myself and stuff like that. It's it's hard
to make the time right now. But as soon as
I get to make the time, I'm gonna have more
demos than everybody period period. But right now Denz is

(17:35):
king of that, and he's been king of that for
a while too. I can't free so but like a
lot of times, what happened is ideas will be brought
and they'll be tested and they either work or they don't.
Sometimes it's just a little note like we were doing,
like even for Liar, I wonder if I can play it.

Speaker 5 (17:58):
Well, we're gonna hear Liar later.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
Okay, you know what, I'm not even gonna nothing.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Do it, right, dude, you pull up a guitar and
then tease us like that you can't you know what
I mean?

Speaker 3 (18:17):
You know. But so here's what happened.

Speaker 4 (18:20):
We had a song and it was it was done,
or at least at most it was done, and Ian
Desa came through and he really yes, he came through
to like hear us playing like in practice, and he
was just like he's like, you know, the song is
really really great. He's like instead of playing the chord

(18:40):
like this and it was like pretending like he couldn't play.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
And then obviously yeah, exactly, just switched the positioning just
like a little bit. He's like tried this out and
it completely changed the song, like completely, and now Liar
is what it is. And like, in my opinion, if
that's the one that as soon as it hits like

(19:04):
we just got like Jesse just sent us back the
mix or the master for the the master for the
clean version. As soon as that touches radio, I think
that's that's it like I think that's the one. So
it's really strong. Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
So's so's it's over and uh changes, thank you changing
like so like and changes has sat on it?

Speaker 3 (19:30):
Yeah, Sate is she's mad mad.

Speaker 4 (19:35):
Yeah, and we've we've seen Sate since Sate was playing
with Donna, who was playing with Prince, right, Like the
reason why the Saya Baba Taliba project like ended was
because Donna went to go.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
Play with Prince like in third like that. Why yeah,
that's why. So Donna's at third Eye girl, Yeah, okay,
so like that's and that's that's why it ended.

Speaker 4 (20:03):
Like and like if if like, let's say, you know,
by some sort of like we enter up into a
different dimension and Princess stilive, if Prince called dense to
the side and it's like I need you on this
is that I would be like, dude, if you don't
go do that, you're a fucking idiot. Like you're an idiot.

(20:27):
This is Prince. This is not like you know what
I mean, This is not just some guy like this,
Prince do that. Like, so, yeah, you.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
Could play Princess tunes though, dude, you'd be fine. Yeah,
the whole band. Yeah, to back up, Prince. Oh, that
would be fucking amazing, kidding.

Speaker 4 (20:47):
Amazing, That would be so crazy. That would be the
hardest I.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Drive to the United States to drive if you were
playing for Prince dude.

Speaker 4 (20:59):
That would be oh sick, Yeah, I mean r I
p to another legend, yeah him, Quincy Jones died today.
Oh yeah, yesterday, right and right, like yeah, it's it's
it's wild to see this new era of music where
it's kind of like we're not turning out legends in

(21:21):
the same way.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
And I feel like music.

Speaker 4 (21:25):
Is not I don't want to say not respected in
the same way, but it's not respected in the same
way like as.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
It used to be. Like music used to really be
taken seriously, like and not to say that it's not,
but it's just to say it's different portions of it
has taken seriously. Right.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
The audience is very fragmented, Yeah, you know, like it's yeah,
we don't have mass like mass audiences for a lot
of people anymore. You know, they're just a few people,
you know. Yeah, people people really like somebody, they glom
onto them.

Speaker 4 (22:03):
Yeah, it's it's it's so true, like look at him,
So what Tyler the creator just released the Chromacopeia and.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
I don't want to go see that show. Boom, I
really want to go see that show.

Speaker 4 (22:16):
I'm pretty there's nothing, there's not a doubt in my
mind that that's gonna be one of the best live
shows you see this year, right yeah, yeah, that's gonna
be sick. Like but like even for him, like he's
somebody that doesn't have any radio hits and like like
not only that, but parents still haven't quite heard about him.

(22:40):
He knock Taylor Swift off of the number one spot
on Billboard.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
That's crazy, like and if.

Speaker 4 (22:48):
You get my opinion, I don't even think this is
the album that should have done it. I feel like
Igor should have done it. And I felt like, call
me if you got lost, should have done that Wolf.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Yeah, I mean there's so many there's so many records.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
So many great records. But I think they said he
sold the equivalent of two hundred thousand in less than
a week, and yeah, and basically what that means is
it's gonna go no less than diamond by the end
of the year. Right.

Speaker 4 (23:18):
So, and then at first, like I wasn't sure how
people were receiving it went to my boy's house and
his daughter was like, has the shirt?

Speaker 3 (23:27):
Has the album? The LP? Like has everything from it already?

Speaker 4 (23:32):
So like, however, he's tapping in with these kids And
I still don't know quite how because I don't really
see him on Twitch.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
I don't see him on TikTok. I don't see he.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
Like he was so huge on Vine there for a
long time, like he was he had a massive Vine presence. Yeah,
but my daughter, she's fourteen, she adores Tyler, you know what.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
There you go like, yeah, yeah, he just loves him. Yeah,
he's like the voice of a generation.

Speaker 4 (23:58):
And like, I, you know what, we might as well
talk about this now.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
Too, And I think I've spoken about this before. I
remind me, I don't know how to track.

Speaker 4 (24:15):
The numbers properly when it comes to when it comes
to rock music, whether it's metal, whether it's punk, whether
it's grunge, whether it's just like radio top forty pop rock. Like,
I don't know how to track the numbers right because
like right now, we're going through this phase where we're

(24:39):
really really paying attention to where we're being streamed, how
we're being streamed, how long people are listening, Like we're
really focusing in on the.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
Data right to Yeah, you really got it right, because
it's the only it's the only thing that you can
really really catch.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
But it is once you managed to get all of
the different places where you can get numbers from. The
good thing of it is is the numbers don't lie
exactly as opposed to something like, oh, I don't know,
you know, I don't know, I can't even use I
can't even give you an example of something that could
be maybe you know, sort of padded as far as
stats go, or anything like that. But you know, once,

(25:20):
once you know that, you know you're getting this many
spins on Apple Music this week, spins on you know,
Spotify and all these different places. You know, there's that's
the problem for you guys, is you have so many
avenues to look at.

Speaker 4 (25:34):
It's it's and you have to group them all together.
But the good thing is is that all that data
is now available right right. The bad thing is is
that I think the only tried and tested and true
numbers that translate over are the top tennis, Spotify, It's
Taylor Swift, It's the Weekend. It's like you know what

(25:57):
I mean, put it this way. I'm talking to somebody
about I was talking to my neighbor about this because
like they just found out that, like I really really
do this right, And I was just like, Okay, that's cool,
except for the fact that what in twenty twenty two,
Red Hot Chili Peppers was the number one roasting touring

(26:18):
band in the world, the number.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
One there, they're not They're not even in the top
twenty of like most streamed artists on any platform period. Yeah,
the Strokes can do any They could do any like
like any stadium across the world.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
They could they could do three nights sold out at
Air Canada Center.

Speaker 10 (26:43):
Three nights sold out, Yeah, easily. Yeah, So one thing
that doesn't reflect one thing I can tell you.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
And actually Derek and I know this firsthand because we've
we've actually spoken with a few people in the industry.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
The number one most listened to style of music in
Canada is classic rock. The number two most listened to.
This is actual fact. The number two most listened to
style of music in Canada is alternative rock. Number three

(27:19):
is adult contemporary, Number four is hip hop, and then
that high It's it's, it's it's actually it's it's quite
huge because of all of the big urban centers, right,
it's it's huge, and you know, and Toronto exactly right,
So those numbers make up such a massive amount of

(27:41):
the spins because of the fact that there's there's so
many radio stations in those in those areas. But again,
all of these numbers are coming from radio, which is
really interesting because I don't know, like, have you like
have you guys been played on Indy eighty eight, No,

(28:04):
I don't know, you should.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
I think, I agree, I think I think a few
years ago I heard all my friends.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
So when we made our major push, they were playing
all my friends and people were calling me and telling
me about it. But other than that, they know about us,
they have our records, they have them, right, But like,
what does it come down to, right, Like if it's
not payola, Like it's always going to be payola, right,

(28:36):
Like it has to be something.

Speaker 4 (28:38):
I mean, once again, they know who we are, Like
you know what I mean, They've said they've loved that,
they love us, they say that, but like at the
end of the day, it's just like it comes especially
for the fact that like we're independent now, we are
officially independent. We're officially like independent, no label nothing right.
Everything is coming from our.

Speaker 3 (28:59):
Pocket, our corporation, like the theobgms incorporated, like you know
what I mean, everything for us absolutely and I think
this has been one of the best, one of the
best cycles that we've ever had, Like in fact, this
is the best album cycle that we've ever had period.

(29:20):
But the thing is is, like I don't know, I
can't speak to how do I say this. The industry
has changed so much that.

Speaker 4 (29:31):
I think that if it was what it was when
we released the Ends, like I think it would have
done that much more damage based on how good this
release is going, like you know, But at the same time,
like I know we're getting played on serious. I know
that for a fact we're getting played on serious. I

(29:53):
know we're getting played internationally, Like I know the numbers
like are are going up in Australia, in Max. I
know in the States it's also going up. I know
Canada is probably our strongest base obviously, but it's just
like once again, I ain't like once again, like if
we're only looking at the data, though.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
It only tells one side of the story. There was
a time where we had nothing and then we would
show up in Montreal and we'd play like a sold
out like two hundred seedar like in a city that's
not even ours sold out? Like how is that? How
do we track that? Like how do they know to
be here? Matter of fact, when we first went to Europe,

(30:37):
I remember, like I'll never forget this. We played Iceland
air Waves. It was a six hundred seater. We went
up and it was rammed, it was rammed to the
brim and people were excited to see us. I was like,
I was like, how did this happen? We went over
to Belgium.

Speaker 4 (30:57):
We played two shows there, two sold out shows, and
like the first one was bananas and the second one
it was just people standing up, but they were into it.
Like when we we played our whole set and we
thought they didn't fuck with us. We got off stage
and they they were cheering for more songs, but we
didn't have any at the time, like years.

Speaker 11 (31:18):
Ago, right, but like the whole catalog, yeah, And it's
just like but it's just like how did they know?

Speaker 3 (31:30):
Like how do they know?

Speaker 4 (31:31):
Even when we played France, Like we played frans a
few times, Like how did they know? Like I just
don't know, like and I'm trying to figure out how
to get that, Dad, I don't know, man, Like, I
have no idea.

Speaker 5 (31:45):
Yeah, what was that? What was that? What's that? What's that? Fucking?
What's that? App ja?

Speaker 3 (31:55):
Yeah, jazim.

Speaker 5 (31:56):
Now, I might be wrong about this, and I usual
am wrong about a lot of things me too. Okay, cool,
but they were they were I think it was Warner anyway.
So they had so they were they were like the
catalyst of information in real time because you could shazam

(32:20):
any song and that was it. It was. It was
based on the number the number of times that this
song not played, but the number of time that this
song is shazam. It's like, what is this?

Speaker 3 (32:34):
You're right?

Speaker 2 (32:35):
That right? Right? That does happen? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (32:37):
Yeah, So they had that, they had that data in
real time, and I believe it was Warner. I I
don't remember, but they basically started like their own like
kind of like label production kind of thing off of that.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
Yeah they did.

Speaker 5 (32:54):
They did because Warner wanted it and they were like,
we want it, we want to buy it, we want
all your data, and they went yeah no, yeah yeah,
but they like I remember when somebody somebody was talking
to me about it, and and I've subsequently talked about
it like this, like when when Lord came out.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
Yeah, time, I remember that.

Speaker 5 (33:18):
That was wild.

Speaker 3 (33:19):
That was a crazy time.

Speaker 5 (33:21):
But they had it tracked in they had it tracked
in real time and the only way I could explain
it to anybody, and this is really only people from
Ontario that have that, are that are our age. Know
what I'm going to say. Do you remember the interactive
bird flu map at the Science Center?

Speaker 2 (33:43):
Of course?

Speaker 5 (33:44):
God damn, yeah, that don't that No, okay, I don't
remember that.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
I don't even think I've seen it.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
Yeah, holy ship.

Speaker 5 (33:57):
So you had so it's it's just a big it's
a big tabletop, is a big desk, and you had
and there were there were interactive just little push buttons,
right because it was.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
Like I remember it now, I remember.

Speaker 5 (34:08):
Seventies and eighties, right, and you pushed a button, pushed
on you pushed the first button and it was in
chronological Oh that's a bad word to say.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
Don't make me play it again, Derek.

Speaker 5 (34:24):
You have you have these buttons in there in chronological order,
and their chronological order as pertains to uh countries. Yes, okay,
So like one side of the table had like Russia
and Northern Asia and the one side of the table
had like Australia and.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
Yeah, I had all the different continents and countries. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (34:45):
So and you pushed it and you pushed it in
a little light came on and that was the beginning
of of of bird flu or swine flu or whatever. Right, yea,
and then you went through and it subsequently went like
light light light light lights right, which which is basically
what happened with Lord.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
Right.

Speaker 5 (35:04):
It was like you could track it to New Zealand
and you were like dot dot dot dot dot dot,
and then it jumped over I think it jumped over
to uh to like southern Europe for a little bit
and danced around there, and then to northern Europe for
a little bit and danced around there, and then it
like hit the States. It hits hit like the east
coast and they were like okay, dot dot dot dot dot,

(35:26):
and then it hit the West coast and literally just
went right across the map and that was it.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
It was like a giant light yeah light.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (35:35):
It was pretty it was. It was It's like the
data itself is pretty interesting, like it's it's a really
unique it's a really unique time to be doing music,
and like, I like, I got a lot of friends
that do music right, and they're like, and they're so imagining.
Well they said, they say the same thing that you say, right,
It's like it's very it's a very hard thing to

(35:59):
track because nobody does accumulated data right, right.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
And the places that do, like I mean, it's usually
behind a paywall. Like chart Metric used to.

Speaker 4 (36:12):
Be really really good where they would give you a
certain amount of data. So when I was managing my brother, like,
I would go through it every morning, like, Okay, here's
where it's playing, here's where it's placed. But now I
think what a lot of the streamers are doing to
kind of like essentially nullify that is they're giving us

(36:35):
the data now. So for a long time, Apple wasn't
giving the data, and now Apple gives the data. Now
they're just like, please use use our thing to measure
your ship.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
They started doing the same thing with podcasts. Yeah, now
you can actually get you can actually get numbers on
podcasts from Apple. Yeah you couldn't for a long time.
Do you guys buy any chance release your music through
an aggregator, like like you mean or just your kid?

Speaker 8 (36:59):
Right?

Speaker 3 (36:59):
Oh? Yea so it's the only game in town.

Speaker 12 (37:01):
So those places don't provide numbers for you. They do
provide numbers. In fact, not only do they provide numbers,
they provide breakdowns. Right, Like once again, like what I'm
saying is is like not that I don't have the data.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
It's it's more so that like when it comes to okay,
how do we how do we take this album and
make a.

Speaker 4 (37:27):
Case to build and like let's just say a Midwest
to East coast tour, right, how do we make the case?
Because now in today's day age, Live Nation owns everything, right,
and because they own everything, they are essentially more important

(37:48):
than the booking agents in my opinion.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
Right, they're the ones who can forecast everything.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
Well, right, they're also half the booking agents as well too, right,
I mean.

Speaker 5 (38:00):
Because and they're forecasting everything because they're in charge of everything.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 5 (38:05):
They allow what they allow, and that's why they could
That's why they can forecast it, exactly.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
Craig go he went to the other side. Well, I
hope he's not going to stay there. I hope this
is still all right, this isn't still being recorded? Yeah,
all right, let's just keep going it like, blow my nose.
I'll be straight up honest with you. You guys are
my friends. I can tell you.

Speaker 5 (38:26):
I'm just worried.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
I'll do it live next time.

Speaker 5 (38:28):
I'm just I'm just worrying.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Thanks for having my back, buddy, I appreciate it. Yeah. No,
I blow my nose really loudly. I figured I figured
our audience wouldn't want to hear that.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
So I was just thinking, next time, into the MinC next.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
Time, I'll shut the camera off the camera, I blow
my nose right into the microphone exactly. Yeah, so I guess,
I guess I fully understand what you're saying now is
it's almost too to the point where there's so much
data out there that what you're trying to do is
in order to book a tour, you want to know
where the most sales are to tap into those sales,

(39:04):
right And.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
Yeah, but here's so here's the other side of that now. Right.
So once again, Uh, this weekend, I'm at the gig
with my drum line buddies, and you know, one of
them is asking about the show that's coming up, and
I was like, yeah, remember November fifte.

Speaker 13 (39:27):
Yeah, at the Velvet Underground that is correct, yes, release, Yes,
that is the release party ceremony.

Speaker 5 (39:37):
It's like we're helping our elderly grandparents order food at McDonald's. Oh,
then yeah, you want you want you flat tacks? Pretty?

Speaker 8 (39:49):
What do you what?

Speaker 3 (39:51):
It's all good, Dmitri, don't worry. We don't.

Speaker 5 (39:54):
We know the connections, just like elections are awful.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
Yeah, it's all good, man, don't worry.

Speaker 5 (40:00):
Tris fault, Yeah, don't worry.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
Tree. You look great. You do? You look great? Buddy.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
You're talking.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
You were talking to your drum line bunny about the
release party.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (40:12):
So I I was talking about Homie and he's like, oh, Velvet,
He's like, yeah, we played there like earlier this year
last year. He's like, we were opening for uh, we
were opening for this guy who was like a TikTok stuff.

Speaker 8 (40:25):
Right.

Speaker 4 (40:26):
Numbers absolutely insane, both on all the streaming services and
on TikTok. So what happened was is that he sold
no tickets, ended up buying out all the tickets and
giving them away for free.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
Only twenty five percent of those tickets. Of the people
that he gave tickets to showed up only twenty five percent.
That is so once again you want to talk about numbers, right,
you want to talk about hard numbers the only game
in town.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
So he bought the venue essentially for the night, and
only twenty five percent of the house showed.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
Up, exactly like you can imagine if jo Rule exactly
did it and nobody showed up? Like can you believe
that he did it to himself? Right?

Speaker 2 (41:19):
Wow, you do it to yourself? You do, and that's
why it really hurts, as tom Yorke would say, right,
you know.

Speaker 4 (41:26):
Yeah, man, so once again like to present the case
of like data not telling the full story. Data is
not telling the full story. It's it's just not so
once again, like excuse me.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
Once again, it's just like how how are we supposed
to play this game knowing that there's this side that
is not full proof?

Speaker 5 (41:49):
It's just not Yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
I just want you. I just want you? And all
that's adorable?

Speaker 3 (41:57):
That is awesome?

Speaker 2 (42:00):
Is that?

Speaker 5 (42:01):
Or?

Speaker 7 (42:03):
No?

Speaker 2 (42:04):
What's what's thema? No? Sorry, Derek's gonna smack me for
that next time.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
Smack.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
How do you say it again? That's it?

Speaker 5 (42:17):
That's really She's scary beyond all reason.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
That is a cool name.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
That's a cool name. I like that.

Speaker 5 (42:22):
Where's the that's from the Emperor's New Groove. It is
a character character played by the amazing earth A Kit.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
Awesome, man, I love me some earth Kits.

Speaker 5 (42:30):
She doesn't. She is so cool and greatest catwoman alive.

Speaker 4 (42:35):
Exact, greatest catwoman alive, probably one of the most unique
like her. Her voice is like cool but unique. But
it's very cool and unique and very specific to the time.
But I don't know if somebody was speaking like that now,
if it would translate.

Speaker 5 (42:52):
Well, yeah, it's not gonna go over.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
Yeah, it's so specific to the time.

Speaker 5 (42:57):
My favorite, one of my favorite quotes from her was
she was doing an interview and it was I think
it was like the seventies, maybe maybe like the sixties. Yeah,
somebody asked her about getting married.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
Yeah, compromise. Yeah, why do I have to compromise?

Speaker 5 (43:16):
Do I need a man for it? And I was like, wow,
oh yeah, my god.

Speaker 8 (43:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
She was awesome.

Speaker 5 (43:22):
That she's and she still is awesome. She's She's absolutely fantastic.
If you haven't seen Emperor's New Review, should we told you?
I told Maya last week that she needed she she
needed to watch that. She was like done.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
We reviewed, We interviewed Maya Maulkin last week and she
was awesome. It was great. That was a great interview.

Speaker 5 (43:38):
So yeah, it was fun, great voice, great voice.

Speaker 3 (43:42):
Absolutely, I wanted to talk to you.

Speaker 4 (43:45):
I am looking for new movies to show my daughter
because like Disney has not been has not been doing
it for me.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
No, we won't talk about Disney.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
We won't talk about I heard cool, we heard good
thing about heard good things about the Wild Robot. That
the Wild Robot like that. Apparently it came to Tiff
this year and apparently it was amazing.

Speaker 4 (44:10):
Okay, I'll check it out. I'll check it out. I'll
give them one more chance because isn't the movie but
The Emperor. Like so I have watched it in parts,
but every every single time it was on the stream when.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
I was passing, I was like, this is awesome.

Speaker 5 (44:27):
So it's written, but it's like it's like classic, it's
classic Disney animation. It's done in that in that very
very almost blocky like Hercules was.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
Yeah, I love that anime style.

Speaker 4 (44:44):
One of the best animation styles that they have, like
straight straight up and yeah, so I'm totally down to
down to like make that movie night for my daughter.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
I'm going to do that and also and also for
for holidays, Arthur Christmas, Earth Christmas, Arthur Christmas, Arthur Christmas.

Speaker 5 (45:07):
A kid had a Christmas thing, and.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
That's what I thought, Yeah, I was.

Speaker 5 (45:15):
And and for the Canadian connection to this Disney conversation
movie conversation. Ready here it is Disney used to own Pixar.
Picks are now split. But Pixar pulls directly from Sheridan.
Oh yes, yes, absolutely, Disney and Pixar have like have
like have pulls directly from Sheridan. There's my there's my

(45:39):
Canadian connection, and and and and Pixar did heat Robert
de Niro. Therefore, Kevin Bacon.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
Heat is awesome. Heat is one of.

Speaker 5 (45:51):
The nobody else got that. It's the six degrees to Kevin.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
Making of course we got it.

Speaker 5 (45:56):
Smiling, Look at Dimitri's face. Dimitri's like, what.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
Pick picks started to not do heat? See that's where
we were going. It's just so good.

Speaker 5 (46:08):
It's so great movie.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
It's so good at movie. And so this is pictures.
A dead Man on the other is a great movie too. Anyway, Sorry,
it's a great movie. It's a fantastic movie. So listen,
our our man here is a dad of two. So
we just want to let you know we have had
you for an hour now, so I can stay for

(46:31):
about ten more minutes. Perfect good, because we have to
talk Oh we're oh, we're down, all right, So we
do have to talk to you about uh, the album
release party and upcoming shows, anything that's that's going on
as far as as far as all that goes.

Speaker 4 (46:49):
So for our album release, we have just announced that
we like our our opening acts will be Frankie Flowers.

Speaker 3 (46:59):
He's an awesome young act.

Speaker 4 (47:00):
She's been going hard and heavy and we're really really
excited about her. We actually did a couple of writing
sessions with her as well, so we're pretty excited to
kind of like present her, even though like we haven't
finished our songs yet. So Frankie Flowers is up. And
then we also have Floyd, who's a like pretty buzzy

(47:21):
like band around Toronto right now, so we're really really
excited for that too. And like we're having our first
VIP as well, which is like kind of weird, but
like I'm particularly in charge of it.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
Like we got some like really really cool things from
and down.

Speaker 5 (47:37):
So we get tickets.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
Yeah, well yeah, look, let me set put together.

Speaker 4 (47:43):
It's been a lot of work, so let me see
what I could put together.

Speaker 3 (47:48):
And yeah, let me see.

Speaker 5 (47:51):
Or at least admitri get a ticket.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
It's a license. It's a licensed show, right.

Speaker 4 (47:57):
If I remember correctly, I believe it's all ages. But
it is licensed as in, like people can drink alcohol. Yeah,
if you're wondering, yeah, people can still drink.

Speaker 5 (48:10):
Greig doesn't go out unless you can drink.

Speaker 4 (48:12):
Oh yeah, yeah, don't worry. People can still drink. Like
they're not going to sacrifice the bar sales for nothing.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
No, I was.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
Actually talking, Derek. I was actually talking about I'd love
to bring my daughter because I think she would love
you guys.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
But yeah, yeah, yeah, great, she's it would be so
sick like in fact, like, yeah, I.

Speaker 4 (48:30):
Believe it's an all ages show, and I'm I think
this is going to be our first all ages headliner
that we've.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
Ever heard because we went and saw your old buddy Sebastian.
Yeah at History there are a couple of weeks ago.

Speaker 3 (48:45):
And oh you guys were there.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
I was, yeah, we were there. Yeah, my daughter and
I were there. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
I was in the pit.

Speaker 4 (48:53):
Are you serious? I was in the pit. Oh yeah,
oh Yeah, it was so not only did they have
a pit. So I remember seeing them for the first time,
I want to say, in like twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen,
and it was like their comeback show, like at Sound Academy.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
Yeah, and it.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
Was the wildest pit I'd been in up to that time.
And then I remember we're backstage, You're kicking it with Jesse,
and I was like, you know what, I'm not gonna
watch it from side side stage.

Speaker 4 (49:31):
I'm gonna we're gonna watch it out front and we're
just on the side, like me, Den's a couple of
other homies. Joe was there too, and like, I don't
know what it was, but the sound was just so massive.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
Like I told Jesse, it sounded like a series of
like explosions.

Speaker 4 (49:55):
But in the most positive way, Like you know what
I mean, It just sounded sound. It is so massive
that we just like out of know where, all of
us except Joe.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
Joe. I gave him my phone and my keys in
my wallet.

Speaker 4 (50:12):
I gave him everything you and we just yeah, and
we just pushed through to the middle and it was
it was wild.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
It was it was insane like it was, and I
thought it would end I was like, oh, maybe it's
just this one song I was there for I want
to say, ninety percent of the show.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (50:32):
And then and then at one point I was like,
how am I going to be able to find Joe?
And then like there was a moment where me and
Dan's took a break because we were just tripping sweat
and stuff like that. I was like, message, message him,
and then uh.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
I went backstage.

Speaker 4 (50:48):
I buck up with Joe and Joe's like, you know,
I thought like, oh, I'm never going to find this guy.
And then I look in the middle and I see
we're stupid pink hat just floating, just floating, just.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
Flow, bounced around like a pinball.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
There.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
Yeah, there is so that's yeah. But yeah, I was there.
I'm glad.

Speaker 4 (51:11):
I'm glad that you brought it to Like one thing
that I'm noticing and I'm seeing, especially with bands that
I love, is that now our generation has kids were like, hey,
let let mom or dad take you to this cool
ass fucking like concert, like even even like so, our

(51:32):
last show with Billy Talent was in port Port, Colburn
this summer, and half.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
The crowd was kids, kids, you know what I mean.
And and they're all so billy talent is having this
major resurgence right now amongst a new generation that's like, yo,
these are words to live by, Like this is something
to live by, right.

Speaker 5 (51:55):
It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
It's a way well it's wild too, because I mean
I look at something like a lot of the things
like my daughter listens to as well too, and she's like,
you know, do you do you know the Strokes? And
I was like, let me tell you a quick story
about the Strokes. And I tell her about the Strokes
playing the very first time the Horseshoe Tavern across the
road when I worked at Steve's Music. Yeah, and I'm

(52:18):
standing with an old friend of mine, Jeff, and he's like,
there's some band from New York or something like that
playing across the road. You want to go check them out?
And I was like, yeah, sure. We speak to our
buddy Anthony at the front door because we're all friends
with him. Yeah, of course, and he's like, yeah, yeah,
go ahead, dorm but it's fine. It's like, I don't know,
some band from New York or something like that, and
we walk in and it's the Strokes. Yeah, legitimately it's there.

(52:40):
It's there Toronto. It's their Canadian debut, and I saw
the very first and we're like the Strokes, who's never
heard of them before? And then that is so insane.
And then six months later I'm working at the edge
and they are everything like they are. They are the
saviors of rock and roll yea in the world.

Speaker 4 (53:00):
Like one of the bands that was kind of like
very instrumental in us starting a band.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
Really, I mean.

Speaker 5 (53:07):
From above, yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
Dankel Jones, the Carps, the Strokes. Oh and how can
I forget fucking why is their name slipping off my
head right now?

Speaker 5 (53:22):
Arctic Monkeys Oh yeah, of course, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (53:24):
Arctic Monkeys, Yeah, test Icicles another one, but yeah, just
like very instrumental in us, even starting.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
In Bay at all. That's like, you know, like it's
it's yeah, it's it's wild. I'm sorry, what was the question?

Speaker 2 (53:40):
I don't remember. Actually we kind of just don't remember
at all. But this is what we This is why
we just love talking with you because there's so much
that we can talk about, right, which is great. So
anyway we want to, uh, we're going to finish up
with you. Let's let's talk about as far as tickets
and everything goes how people are going to get tickets
for the Velvet Underground for the.

Speaker 3 (53:59):
Fifth it's it's so weird. Go to ticket Master.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
What yeah, ticket Master really Okay.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
Dude, I told you Live Nation. Live Nation is ticket Master,
Yeah of course, but like yeah, just so go to
everything at the OBGMS, like we have links to it.

Speaker 4 (54:23):
It'll see you directly there. Just come out, bring your home.
It'll be the best live show you see this year.
I guarantee you. I guarantee that, like for the level
that we're at and for the venue that we're playing for,
like these size venues, it will be the best live
show that you see this year.

Speaker 5 (54:42):
Velvet has decent new sound as well.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
It really really does. It has excellence and we got
our boy Dan sound for us and good yeah yeah,
like so yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
What time does the show start? What times everything?

Speaker 4 (54:58):
Doors are at seven, but the first act, like if
doors are at seven, the first act is gonna go
on by eight, second act is probably gonna.

Speaker 3 (55:06):
Go on by nine. We'll be on by ten.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Perfect.

Speaker 4 (55:09):
So like yeah, and it's the perfect like Friday night
flex we get up, sweat it out and if there's like.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
An after party or whatever that you want to go
to Like you're gonna be able to do that too,
Like you know what I mean, But it's gonna be
it's gonna be a sweaty Friday night, Like oh yeah, absolutely, it's.

Speaker 4 (55:29):
It's not a super early show, but it's it's like I've.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
Especially like being on tour. Yeah, Like you notice that.

Speaker 4 (55:37):
A lot of these acts, even the big ones, like
they don't do super late shows. Like that's the thing
of the past now too, And I think it's once
again Live Nation owns everything, right, so their workers they're
gonna send home by a certain time.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
We were out a DFA by ten after eleven. I
was like saying, it's ten after eleven and we're going home,
Like we watch we watched train Wreck with a couple
of other tunes, right because we watched you know, I
just thought it was brilliant the way that they Sorry,
we're talking about this now we go off on another
tangent with our friend collec Anthony from the oggms. So
but they I love the fact of how they they

(56:14):
did it. They just fucking tune tune, you know, turn
it out, little girl, uh, you know, romantic rights, but
like one after the other after the other. I think
at one point, I think at one point in time,
Jesse was just kind of like, hey everyone, and then one, two, three,
and then they just they just kept going. So they
played the record in full start to finish. It was
done in forty five minutes. It was just fucking brilliant.

(56:36):
That's work and roll for you. And then Jesse comes
on and says that record was recorded right over there,
and the crowd went fucking insane, and I'm like, I remember,
I remember being at the radio station when that fucking
cover came in and I was like, what the fuck
is this? And then of course, and then of course

(56:58):
Romantic Rights came on, and I was I was an
instant fan.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
That was due.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
I've been a fan ever since.

Speaker 4 (57:02):
That that was that was the one that did it
for me too, And it was just like it like
once again, it changed my life, like it literally, And
I hope Jesse never hears this then, but it changed
my life, Like I hope some bastards doesn't hear this either,
But it literally changed the way I thought about music,

(57:23):
like completely, right.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
I was. I was raised on gospel music and and.

Speaker 4 (57:29):
And not only that, but like when I started listening
to secular music.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
It was only hip hop and.

Speaker 4 (57:36):
Yeah, like we were raised in the neighborhood where you
could get beat up for listening to rock unless it
unless it was like smells like teen Spirit or or
something from Billy talent.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
Like I'm a Scarborough boy. It was all. It was
all hip hop, house and and reggae. Yeah, it was
exactly was great. It was fucking great. I loved that dude,
you know, was awesome.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
It was awesome. Like but like as soon as like
my musical palette like opened, like it's like really fucking opened,
you know, and it changed my life.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
One of the best things about that show. One of
the best things about that show too, to just finish
up with because I adored df and that's why I went,
oh ship with Cola. I was gonna wear my shirt tonight.
I was gonna wear the I bought the I bought
the DFA shirt, so I was gonna wear that tonight.
But anyway, the version that they did, oh there you go,
nice and he's even he's even frozen on camera, so

(58:34):
it stayed on for longer. Perfect right there. It is.
So the version of pull out as they did was
it lasted about a minute and five seconds and it
was so good, right and everybody and at the end

(58:55):
of it, the crowd is basically screaming and laughing at
the same time. And there's this big guy with a
d f A shirt and he and I look at
each other, We're like, that was twice the fots is
the record and the records like.

Speaker 5 (59:08):
No, no, it was fly Benny Hill song.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
That kind of sound like that a little bit. Don't
tell Jesse that, don't don't then and then you're gonna
start dancing behind me and yeah.

Speaker 8 (59:24):
Dude, there was a moment. Oh I'm sorry, go ahead,
hang on a sec. Dmitri, Sorry, no, go ahead, Okay, yeah, okay.
You guys got dates in December and January as.

Speaker 5 (59:38):
Well, Yes, yes, we do, n there.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
We yeah, so our dates here, let as well cool
them up.

Speaker 5 (59:50):
But I believe December thirteenth in Ottawa.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
Yes, in Autawa.

Speaker 4 (59:53):
We're doing it with the flat flat Liners like they've
they've been alis of arts like we've we've done a
mini tour with them before. They're so sick, like they're awesome,
and Paul like we're drummer buddies, like you know what
I mean, He's awesome, right, like yeah, just having a
great time with them, really really looking forward to playing

(01:00:14):
with them again, like the last time. Is really really
sick for the For January seventeenth and eighteenth.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
We are doing Wealth and Hamilton and I'm not sure
who we're playing with yet, but if we can, I
wish I could announce we're working it out right now,
like who we're gonna have.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
Open the show if you can do me a huge favor. Yeah,
when you guys figure it out, Yeah, if you could
jump on here and have a chat with us, hell yeah,
would be great. Announce it here and we'll put it out.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
I'm gonna tell y'all straight up.

Speaker 4 (01:00:56):
Anytime you guys need me here, like I have such
a good time with you, guys, like.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
I will make time for you guys, like I always
always just hit me up if I can, I will. Peria.

Speaker 5 (01:01:08):
I have an interesting question called please, do you want
to do a show?

Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:01:13):
Sure, we're done.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
Yeah yeah, well.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
He means on Revolution Radio, yeah radio station. Yeah yeah
yeah yeah. So if you guys ever wanted to do anything,
even a monthly thing, let us know. So, Like what
we're doing is we're now starting to reach out because
Revolution Radio we're going to Yeah, I'm actually gonna get
you to check out the website and I'll tell you
why in just a second.

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
This is exciting.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
We're stach. We're going to start stretching out all across
the country because we're called Revolution Radio Canada. We essentially
want to start having home bases and all the different
provinces and we want to get the country involved in
what we do. We're absolutely in love with what we
do and we're honored and privileged to speak with find
people like yourself. So the fact that we can we
can do this on a daily basis is amazing. So

(01:01:59):
for us, we podcast twenty four to seven, I'm going
to get you to write down a website if you
don't mind, right now.

Speaker 5 (01:02:06):
Okay, give him a pen. What are you doing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
This in my hand? I'm just saying, right to Dune Derek.

Speaker 5 (01:02:14):
Hold on, three D hous of Beef, three D House
of Beef.

Speaker 4 (01:02:18):
Oh no wait, holding on, pulling up the notes, holding
on all right, Yeah, I'm here ready.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
Yeah, it's all one word Revolution Radio dot live as
in live music. That's our website. Okay, Revolution Radio dot Live, Yeah,
got it. I want you to go onto the shop section.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
And buy some shit.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
No, I want you to know this is actually legitimate.
I want you to whichever T shirt you like, we're
gonna buy you one. So you let me know which
one you want, what size you want, and I'm gonna
ship it to you. Listen, fab you can't you can't. No, no, no,
no do that. Yeah no, trust me. We're going to
do that for you because we love you. You've been on
with us now three times. Dude. We asked you. You

(01:03:03):
had fun with us the first time, and then we're like,
we've got to hood coming up, right, and you're like, dude,
I'm in, Like just tell me when I'm in.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
And I still apologize for attending late on that one.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
No, it was perfect. You were actually perfect because the
front of the show, dude, was so busy. At one
point in time in the waiting room, I had I
had Trevor Hurst from the frontal line crush, I had Skuay,
and I had the boys in Mellow Honey, Yeah, all
in the waiting room at the same time, and I'm like,

(01:03:33):
this is great, thank you so much for joining us.
Next We've got and like I was just going from
one to the next to the next to the next,
it was insane. So when you showed up.

Speaker 5 (01:03:42):
Did like rooms is nobody can sit there and talk
right exactly right, that's the problem. You're literally sitting stuck
in the blank screen. You're sitting stuck looking at a
blank screen waiting to come in. Like Dave from Mellow
Honey sat and waited for fifteen minutes, Oh god, fifteen
minutes because he he thought that I was asking him

(01:04:02):
to jump on to do a sound check at eight
fifty five, and I'm like.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
No, I said nine to fifteen, dude, are you And
he's like, oh, whatever, I don't care. I'm just chilling
and working on some music. I'll just wait.

Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
Oh man, that's he waited for fifteen minutes. Damn man.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
Like our buddies in Mellow Honey, you know, shout out
to them as well too.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
Good, you're you're tight with those guys. So so that's
you know, the fact. When you showed up, it was like, oh,
Cole is here, but I let you win, and then
it was like we could just chill.

Speaker 4 (01:04:31):
It was perfect. It was It was a lot of fun.
I had so much fun. Like I mean, I spent
the first ten to fifteen minutes feeling bad for being
that late. Yeah, but like, yeah, I'm sorry, guys, that
won't happen again.

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
I promise it.

Speaker 5 (01:04:45):
Don't even worry about it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
And the fact that you got to chalk to chat
with Johnny Dovercourt again, that was really cool.

Speaker 3 (01:04:51):
I thought I was.

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
I thought it was like making a little sort of
like intro there and you're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're
we're good. Yeah, yeah we we Johnny Dovercourt and esc
way back. So I think that's awesome, right, we we got.

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
Something to pop it for for wave like like it's
could be sick.

Speaker 8 (01:05:07):
Yeah, oh yeah, definitely, I will say anymore what we
love Johnny Dovercordy's again.

Speaker 5 (01:05:13):
Look at you and everything. I'll there it is.

Speaker 3 (01:05:18):
Yeah, everything we have everything with you sick.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
That's great. Well, listen, Cola, we really appreciate your friend.

Speaker 6 (01:05:28):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
Sorry, go ahead, Dimitri, go ahead. You're gonna try to
yeah yeah, hopefully hopefully your internet's okay.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
So the song, so we're gonna we're gonna play liar
and just like tell us a little bit like why
this song we're talking about this song earlier? Why does
it mean so much to you and the band?

Speaker 4 (01:05:51):
So I didn't hear the lyrics in completion until the
record was recorded. And I know it's I know, it's
very introspective.

Speaker 3 (01:06:06):
Was that I news? Uh? So Denz writes up to
the twenty thirty hours, all right, okay all the time?

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
So yeah, like any good lyricist, Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
Up to twenty third hour he's writing, and like it's
it's introspective, but like a in a way in which
it's it's it's introspective, but it's fucking huge on top
of that, like you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:06:38):
Yeah, and it's it's it's like maybe I'm not who
I say, Like you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:06:44):
Like I think we all kind of feel like that sometimes.

Speaker 5 (01:06:46):
Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
It's like Chris Chris Rock famously said that when you
go on a first date, you're not dating the person,
you're dating the representative.

Speaker 4 (01:06:54):
Exactly easy and and that's the perfect way to put it.
It's just it's like and and maybe it is that.
So I think it's something that we could all relate to.
So and and also here you know what I might
as well And.

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
Oh no, I'm not going to do this.

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
Twice in one episode.

Speaker 3 (01:07:24):
Hold on, He.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
Teases with the acoustic guitar.

Speaker 4 (01:07:28):
Twice m hm hmmm, whatever, I'm messing it up. But
like but it's just like once again like it's it's
hard to shunk. It's it's it's so sick. So yeah,

(01:07:53):
that's like, it's it's it's one of those things where
it's like when you make something and you know you
have something, it's a different kind of feeling.

Speaker 3 (01:08:03):
It's a it's a it's a different feeling.

Speaker 4 (01:08:05):
And and truthfully, making this album, all the songs that
we were making, I kind of felt like that, you
know what I mean, Like where I was like, Yo,
there's something special about this.

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
There's something special about this. And people that I really
like respect like in terms of like their tastes all
said the same thing.

Speaker 10 (01:08:27):
Like all said ian Ian D saw all the guys
from Billy Talent, like fucking all all.

Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
The guys from pop. Yeah. I speak to Jesse often,
Jesse like it's it's just like it feels like that,
and this feels like kind of like the.

Speaker 4 (01:08:51):
Like you know, the point of like in plays when
there's like there's three acts, but the second act is
like right at the right where everything the climax feels
like the quin.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
So fantastic, my friend.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
Yeah, and the Den's did something different with the video.
The video is really nutty. Yeah, it's crazy, right, Yeah,
that's not the.

Speaker 3 (01:09:22):
Yeah, it was. It was perfect.

Speaker 4 (01:09:26):
It was absolutely perfect and funny enough. It kind of
indirectly directly kind of goes into the whole path of
like being a liar too, right.

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
Yeah, that's actually good call.

Speaker 5 (01:09:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:09:42):
Absolutely, he's really been in his bag, like with the
videos and whatnot.

Speaker 4 (01:09:48):
It's been insane. It's been it's been insane. So I'm
I'm super like happy with what he did with it.
And yeah, yeah, and I'm just super happy with with liar.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
I'm super happy with this record. It's it's it is
the climax in my opinion of of of the record.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
Yeah, congratulations, I'm sorry, it's over. Great another great, another
great ob GM's album. This is your fourth right.

Speaker 3 (01:10:22):
This is officially our fourth like recording, but our third album.

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
Yes, Okay, because I can't I do can't I do
count interchorus.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
Okay, maybe they don't.

Speaker 5 (01:10:41):
That sounds painful.

Speaker 4 (01:10:43):
Yeah, it's it's you know what it is about that.
I think I've spoken to you guys about this before.
It's the fact that it was so we thought we
were the best and looking at it or listening to
it now, I cringe so hard. I can't survive through
one song. But I think the people who saw it

(01:11:05):
it hurt it. They were like, this is not there yet,
but there is something here.

Speaker 3 (01:11:11):
They just don't know what it is.

Speaker 5 (01:11:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:11:13):
Yeah, and that's the saving grace of that record.

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
But that's it. Okay, that's it.

Speaker 4 (01:11:24):
Like it's and funny enough. We were we were talking
about things that we're going to do during the the
I P and uh. Joe brought up like doing like
one of the a couple of songs from that do it,
and Den's was like, nah, that'll be for like the

(01:11:44):
last show we ever played. Okay, so that's not coming
for a while.

Speaker 3 (01:11:53):
Yeah, we're not going.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
To be hearing that version that those tunes from from
the first record for a long time. Hopefully. That's great, buddy, absolutely,
Uh Cola, you are just a proper dude. You really,
you're fucking dmit.

Speaker 4 (01:12:07):
Derek, Like, you guys are awesome. I have so much
fun coming here to take it with y'all.

Speaker 5 (01:12:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:12:14):
Yeah, man, Like, let.

Speaker 4 (01:12:16):
Me see what I can do about these tickets and
make sure that we have enough that we can like
I can pass you guys.

Speaker 5 (01:12:24):
Well, yeah, well we will mind. We don't mind coming
pan for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:12:28):
I don't want.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
I don't mind. I don't mind buying the ticket, so
you don't have to worry about that. But I do
want to ship you a shirt. I'm not joking about that.
So what I want you to do is I want
you to you made your choice. I want you email.
So you got my email, email it to me and I.

Speaker 5 (01:12:45):
Should I should upload the shirt that I just sent Craig. No,
don't you do that shirt one?

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
It says the Derek Show. Remember when he put up
The Derek Show. I remember that. No, No, don't.

Speaker 5 (01:13:00):
Gonna make your shirt.

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
Don't make this shirt, Dmitri Derek, don't you make me
play your song? Now that you know what Cola, I'm
gonna I'm gonna send you that. I'm gonna I'm gonna
send you that that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:11):
You don't send nice.

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
Well, I already sent it to Connor, so I'm gonna
send it to Cola.

Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
So wants it?

Speaker 3 (01:13:21):
Wants it?

Speaker 5 (01:13:22):
Thanks for tuning in. This has been Canadian as Hack
episode one oh five with Cola from the O B
G ms, we'll get to you next week. Have a
great weekend week, all the other stuff in the days
in between,