October 3, 2024 • 57 mins
We have been fans since the 80s. And this artist is a true Canadian original. Dimetre and Craig talked with Jane about everything from the early days on Duke Street, to her latest project, with a couple of working titles that you'll only find in this episode!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, it's Craig from Revolution Radio Canada and the Canadian
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that's Revolution Radio dot Live. Thanks so much for listening
(00:21):
to Revolution Radio Canada and enjoy this podcast. So this
is Canadian as Heck Episode one zero one, our first
episode back after well last week. Really uncomfortable and yeah,
(00:46):
thank you for showing us that. Appreciate it. Your arm
keeps disappearing every time. Every time it goes upwards, it
completely disappears, and then when it's at the bottom of
the screen it reappears again.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
So you know what with the sorry I'm let me
interject here just for a second, because you said the
thing about the disappearing and the arm. Okay, if we
have the technology to make deep bake videos of Donald
Trump and whatnot and they look legit, do you not
(01:21):
think they could do something about this yanky ass fucking
virtual background garbage.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Pretty bad, isn't it. Yeah, Like, look at me, like
I've said many times, I look like you look like
Marty McFly. Yeah, I look like Marty McFly. And my
hands keep disappearing.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
And here's here's, here's Dimitri going. You know, fuck it,
I'm not even gonna bother.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Well, they won't let me restream, won't.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Let me restream, won't let you.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
No, like somebody has to. There's probably there once was
a way. Once there was a way get back, to
get back home. But once there was there was a
way for me to have a background.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
I was well done, that was great to meet.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
You're welcome, But uh I did. But I think that
I think that.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Norton wanted to update something on my computer and I
couldn't do my background anymore.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
So you know, so I blame it on Norton. Blame
it on Norton.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Can we can we I know, I know I brought
this up last Monday, But can we talk about how
absolutely beautiful my camera is?
Speaker 3 (02:33):
It's very very nice.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Did we talk about this last week?
Speaker 2 (02:36):
I did because I was like, I looked fucking like
not not that me personally, I look great, but like
like visuals like the technology bit.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
So why don't you get rid of that background? Why
don't you just use your your natural uh thing? So
then you're not.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Like the Jeremy Chris, the Army Chris has hid Craig
g Yo.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Well well, well, well it's the Army Chris. What's up?
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Because my background looks like that. That's lovely. I love
the brick perfectly, isn't that nice? And I love the
cat Jim.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Yeah, that's my cat Jim. Why isn't Chris. Why isn't
the Army Chris on this show?
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Chris? What are you doing?
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Bud?
Speaker 1 (03:26):
He will be.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
So anyway, anyway, we got we have we have a
treat for you, for you folks in the internet today.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
I don't know why I'm talking like this, but yeah, okay, Chris,
let us let us do this.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Let us do this little special thing and then we'll
we'll we'll we'll throw you a link and we can
get on this.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Yeah, we'll get you to jump on, buddy, okay.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
And it'll be less it'll be less of a chicken
head show.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Then Monday was.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
What do you mean chickenhead show? Oh dude, it.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Was like everybody like I thought I was doing irish.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
I don't know what the Army Chris, Yeah, the Army
Chris was talking about Scottish Dmitri, you know, and I
thought I thought I was doing Irish there, you know.
But anyway, anyway, hilarious anyway, Okay, earlier today myself and
Dimitri Alexi you not Dimitri uh McClellan, uh uhle Dimitri
(04:38):
and I had the great, great pleasure of speaking to
the incredible Jane Sibbery. Now this interview missed it. This
interview was freaking awesome. We were sorry, Derek missed it.
It was a wonderful interview. We're going to play it
for you now. At the end of that Army Chris
is going to set up the interviews about the thirty
and thirty five minutes long or something like that, so
(04:59):
it's probably.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
Got was forty by the time we all said start
stop thanking each other.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
So you yeah, that's true. We did thank each other
about twenty times. She was just wonderful. Well you'll see,
you'll see, you'll see for yourselves. Okay, uh so we're
going to play this interview. Here we are joined today.
You hang on a second, that slow down still.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Out like serious, eager, so eager.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
This was a fantastic interview. Chris I'm going to shoot
you the invite as of right now. You're going to
have it in about the next five minutes or so. Okay, Bud,
and you got to pick a song.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
A song, Thank you, Craig.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Jump on in a half hour.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Okay, Thanksig, Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Derek, And.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
What are you thinking us for?
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Just to start to thank you?
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Oh, thank you, Dimitri, Oh thank you, thank you. Sure,
we would like to say thank you to Row one.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Thank you, stream, thank you, restream, thank you.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
I would like to say thank you to Row one
seat too, thank you. We would like to say to
Row one seat three, thank you. Okay, we're just gonna
get this going. Okay, here we go. Wow. I enjoy this.
I know literally enjoy this interview with Ms Jane Sibbery.
(06:20):
It's freaking awesome. It was so much fun.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Look at that.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
We go enjoy you meet by a National treasure. Folks,
please welcome on the podcast today, the one the only
Jane Sibbery. Yay, weack, thank you, thank you so much
for being here. By the way, I love the glasses too.
I was actually going to say that to you if
off the top here when we were when we were
(06:45):
talking before. So yeah, if you don't need them, then
it's it's totally up to you.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
But uh.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Yeah, oh, Dmitri take it away. And it looks like
we've got somebody in the waiting room here.
Speaker 6 (06:56):
David. His name David, Yes, oh, yes, he's he's working
with me, so please let him in?
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Can we bring him in?
Speaker 6 (07:05):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Please?
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Do is it's what's David's last name? Olenik okay? And
what does and what does he do?
Speaker 6 (07:14):
Is he he is part of my amazing think tank
which just coagulated or galvanized catalyzed like four months ago
when I reached out needing help with the release so
that I just don't send an email out, so a
group of people have gotten together to make sure the
music does get out my new recording. Yeah, he is
(07:35):
sort of the mastermind of all this and much.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Yeah, I get your newsletter, so I've seen that, like
you've been back and forth between New York and Toronto
and uh and working working on this and uh and
the last I thought like it's probably like the we
can probably expect some new music around November.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
You're thinking, yeah.
Speaker 6 (07:58):
Yes, I have have to tour for November, so it'll
be there. May be something that comes out.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
But I have and I have my tickets for where huroom. Yeah,
I'm very excited. But I have seen you play before.
You did you did a song you did a songwriter
showcase at the Fox Theater and the Beaches in Toronto. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
so yeah, and I even got to meet you, bet
but like that was a thrill.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
But anyway, but.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Anyway, and now you're meeting for the second time to
meet Yeah, so that's awesome.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Good for you.
Speaker 6 (08:30):
So that anyway, all the all the lies are going
to fall away, like like a ceramic cup in the
middle of winter when you just tap it lightly. That's
what's going to happen to you.
Speaker 7 (08:45):
So so tell us how how is this new music
taking shape?
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Is it taking shape in a different way than previous
than previous albums have have come about?
Speaker 6 (08:59):
Yes, I wasn't sure if I do another recording, but
finally I had it sort of in my being to
create something and so I just did a lot of
it in my bedroom, you know, on my laptop, and
then started working with a dear friend, Renee Cologne, who
is also a fantastic musician producer in the States. So
(09:21):
together we have shepherded all the songs into a long
recording And yes, I've had to do it like recording
week at a time until I raised the money for
the next one. So it took quite a while in
a perfect way. But so it's means slow, but I'm
(09:41):
very pleased with the results answer your question. So, I
don't think I can put it out as a whole.
I have to keep you waiting for the next lump
of money to come in. So we thought the natural
thing is to just release one song at a time.
That's the plan anyway.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Okay, And is Sheba Record still a thing? Your ear
independent label?
Speaker 6 (10:10):
No, I don't really have a label anymore, but it's
the company that owns the music. Yeah, okay, I let
that go a long time ago.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
So prior to the new album your most you had
in twenty sixteen you put out Ulysses Purse and then
in twenty seventeen you did a remix with three new
songs and that collection was called Angels Ben Closer.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Yeah, why did you?
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Why did now you mentioned that you didn't feel like
you were going to release anything ever, again, what was
what was causing that?
Speaker 6 (10:46):
I think there wasn't enough magnetism in my being to
be a musician for quite a while. So then something
something changed inside me and I felt I had concentrated
enough love for music that I could do something again.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Awesome, So I feel so I just like I am.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
You know, way back in the beginning of your career,
or even before your career, you had you acquired a
degree in microbiology. Oh, Christopher Vaughnce is when I was
a boy? Album is such a classic. So who do
you know? So we had we already had. I wasn't
(11:33):
expecting comments in the in whatever stream.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
I wasn't expected either, Okay, Christopher Vaughan, Okay.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
So and so do you feel like like a background
in science has like fed your process at all in
making music?
Speaker 8 (11:58):
Is?
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Was she frozen?
Speaker 1 (12:00):
I'm not sure, Jane, are you there?
Speaker 9 (12:09):
They have.
Speaker 10 (12:11):
Maybe technical issues? Oh hold that thought, Tom tre okay,
Oh there we go. Yeah that was Oh she's back there.
Speaker 6 (12:26):
It's my link. I know you wanted something really solid,
but I am on hot hot spots.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
That's okay, no worries, it happens, no problem. Dmitri had
a question for you in regards to in regards to
your degree and.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Your science degree, do you feel like a background in
science has has uh has influenced you, like in the
way that you you approach creativity or anything like that.
Speaker 6 (12:48):
It's given me a sort of it's reinforced my desire
to like have sus substance before I say anything. You know,
partly where I took the degree is because the New
Age was sort of coming to be and it interested
me very much Like a lot of people, like all
the information about energy and all this, but most people
seem to be blowing through their hats. They didn't really
(13:09):
know what energy was. So I just I get frustrated
when it's too lucy goosey, because we need to depend
on things. Science is wonderful for that to a certain degree. Well,
I decided to just learn more about it and then
build from the bottom up. So an answer to your question,
did it affect I think honestly it's backwards. You know.
(13:33):
It's the way I am influenced what I studied.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Awesome and go ahead, Craig, Yeah, no, I was actually
just going to say, going back to of course, Jane Sibbery,
your the debut release back in eighty one on Duke
Street Records. We've spoken of Duke Street records several times
on this podcast of how unbelievably cool a label that
(13:59):
certainly you know that certainly was you were talking earlier
about working with a wonderful musician out of the United States.
I wanted to ask you if you have seen any
issues recently with the with CANCN rules as far as
(14:20):
working internationally, as far as working with international musicians, because
I know Brian Adams actually has spoken out about this
a few times in regards to you know, maybe not
being Canadian content enough. I'm just wondering if if you've
seen any any issues like that, if there, if you've
had to deal with that in the past.
Speaker 6 (14:39):
Well that's for radio, isn't it. I mean, yeah, where
is radio now? I don't even think it exists the
same way as it used to. How can they have
Well maybe it does. I'm just out of the loop,
but I have no interest in it, so I haven't
watched it. I can't really, I can't. I can't really
speak to that.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Mm hmm. What what what avenues are you more interested
in these days? I mean, obviously streaming, I'm sure probably,
but what other avenues do you really kind of look
at and think this is where I really want to
have my material live live streaming.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
Yeah, no live shows, you know, Okay, because that's even
if I wrote and wrote and wrote and released music
and people liked it and the energy built to me
that I know now the most important thing is when
I play live. That's when I go out. I would
really miss it if I couldn't go out to see
how the world is. So like, when I play live,
(15:34):
it's so hugely important to about just telling me what's
happening in the world, how people are, all that kind
of stuff. It's huge. I would feel like half half
the man I am if I didn't if I didn't
play live, feel disconnected. So that's really important to me.
(15:55):
And secondly, in a more precise answer to your question, streaming,
I don't know if it's there yet. I don't know
if the right avenue is there yet, but definitely interactive important. Yeah, anyway,
Like I feel like you're being heard, Like the audience
needs to feel heard. That's huge. That's why you get
(16:18):
an expression like when the singer cries, the audience stops.
That's what it's all about. You know, the audience is
feeling heard until the singer backs up and thinks more
about herself than the audience, and the audience feels that
immediately and doesn't cry because they are now vulnerable, They're
(16:40):
not being held by the singer.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Given how given how important live performance is to you,
And and I remember you during the pandemic, like because
I've been I've been a part of your newsletter newsletter
recipients for a long time time. But how how how
(17:05):
hard was it to feed your soul? Like what like
when like live music went away during the pandemic, Like
and how like how did you manage? Like I know
that you did a lot of meditation, and you did,
and you actually hosted meditation sessions online, but like but
also like the performance, like, like, how did you sustain
(17:25):
yourself through that period?
Speaker 6 (17:29):
I think the meditations even was it was a nourishing
for everybody. It didn't matter it was music or not.
It was just had to keep connecting, connect, connect, because yeah,
everyone knows why. But that was very hard on everybody.
And interesting, I'm not saying hard is bad, you know,
(17:50):
it just was a bit of a wake up call
for a lot of people. And yeah, how about you,
how did you nourish yourselves?
Speaker 4 (18:00):
I think getting together with this gentleman like in the corner,
you know, and like and basically just sort of like
like talking about music that we love online, you know,
I think and I think that that was very important.
It was all but yeah, I had to get out
and walk around, you know. And did you.
Speaker 6 (18:23):
Learn to yourself too? I think a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Went, are you there? You think?
Speaker 11 (18:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (18:33):
I think we. I certainly managed to learn a lot
of interesting things about myself and I actually did a
lot of healing over the pandemic.
Speaker 6 (18:44):
Fantastic, fantastic.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (18:46):
I really did seem like that's what we need. But
we're all needing a lot of that, and a lot
of people maybe did mm hmmm.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
It's interesting, you know, Jane, it's it's this radio station,
radio station. This is an internet radio station, and we're
we love what we do and we just we adore
what we do and we're so lucky and fortunate to
speak to wonderful people like yourself, and this is this
for us has been very therapeutic, I think, just like
Dimitri said that, you know, we get to do this
(19:18):
on a weekly basis, and you know, we just celebrated
our one hundredth anniversary last week. We had Creamy Tea
singer Isquay Join Us Live. We had Trevor Hurst from
Aconnalline Crush, We had Brad Merritt from fifty four forty
and just you know, and and on and on and on,
and we just had all these wonderful guests that are
willing to talk to us. And because of that, we
(19:40):
just we just count our lucky stars. We really do
every day. And again, like we've we've already thanked you,
I think six times since you've come on the screen.
Speaker 6 (19:49):
You know.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
It's just it's it's awesome that we get to do this.
So this for me has been has been one of
the things that's that's kept me going.
Speaker 6 (19:57):
Yeah, so if it's so important, which we've all read,
it's like communication, Like can moments be any better than this,
Like the three of us talking right now, Like it's
it's like a ball of sunlight or something. You know,
how do you offer that to more people who don't
even know how to find, don't even know how they
(20:18):
could be nourished. Seems like this is a way to expand,
to be of service in some way.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Yeah, I I couldn't agree with you. Literally, you just
literally hit the nail on the head because that's one
of the things that moving forward now that we've essentially
we've done a hundred of these shows and we kind
of feel like we're we sort of think we know
what we're doing now, you know, I'm I mean, as
far as interview go, an interviewer goes, I'm no George Strombeloplast,
(20:47):
but I do the best that I possibly can, you know.
So what we want to do starting to move forward
is we want to advertise on our you know platforms, Facebook,
Instagram and try and get our word out there. And
we're hoping to get as any people involved in this
project as we can because I think there's a lot
of wonderful people out there that would be able to
contribute a lot of great content. So you know, that's
(21:09):
one way that I think we would love to reach out.
Speaker 6 (21:13):
And like a moniker that like, are you know Canadian
as heck come be nourished in a way you didn't
know you even needed, you know, simple everyday human beings
like yourselves. Let's do it sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Mm hmm, absolutely, yeah. You know, there's a great sort
I guess it's called like a mantra that I stole.
I stole from the great DJ Jazzy Jeff, and it's music, Colon.
It's not what I do, it's who I am. That's
one I just I just kind of live by that
(21:53):
every day. So you know, like I say, being able
to talk to wonderful folks like you, it's uh, I'm
living it and I'm lucky, you know.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
So. Christopher Vaughn.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Christopher Vaughn wants to know if the new album has
a working title yet.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
Many would you like to hear some?
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (22:12):
I think, Christopher Vaughn, I think this is a world
premiere here.
Speaker 6 (22:19):
Okay, well, a few things I'm sure of. I'm because
the songs relate to each other, and because I like
to link songs together, and when I do a live show.
By the end of the tour, it's like one long
story that goes together cohesively, all the songs. Anyway, it's
(22:39):
the way I am. So I'm going to call it
season one as the overriding Thing, and then Season one
will have its own name, like here are the possibilities
Season one? These hard knots k n ot s until
people kept saying nuts nuts? Are you saying nuts?
Speaker 9 (22:58):
Nuts?
Speaker 6 (23:01):
You have to test things out and then now I'm
thinking it was going to be called to Love Love,
but maybe that's for a later season, I think. And
then each song is an episode, really, you know, so
the first I think the first episode is season one,
whatever it is, and then episode one is bountiful, beautiful,
(23:24):
and then that'll go that's the next song, and so
then it's sort of an open ended recording. I just
keep adding to the next season or whatever, and I
don't have to think, oh, kind of get a whole
new recording. It's just like it just it felt like
a good thing for me to do. So season one
(23:46):
whatever the umbrella name is. But season one is fine.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
But the thing about so we're going to have like
numerous seasons coming out.
Speaker 6 (23:57):
Yeah, I hope so to a doubt.
Speaker 7 (24:03):
Hopefully because because the thing, the thing about your career
is that you it seems that you are you never
want to repeat yourself, ye, Like I think I think
that like every every time. Like I agree, Yeah, you've
never wanted to repeat yourself, Like when when like after
Speckless Sky you went in a hard different direction with
(24:24):
the walking, and then after and then after when I
was a boy, you went in a hard different direction
with Maria, And so is that fair to say like
that you never that you that you don't you change
direction and like and that excites you.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Probably right, like to change direction all the time.
Speaker 6 (24:44):
Yeah, as long as it's not patchy, you know, and
just doing it for the sake of change. But if
there's an inner guidance. I noticed that after the Speckless Sky,
even though they the first three records are widely different,
because they were widely different, they were all the same,
you know what I mean. It was weird, like every
(25:04):
record had a slow, beautiful and then fun upbeat, you know,
even though within it they had a wide variety. Because
they were all having wide variety, I've realized there's something missing.
So I had to pull out different colors more strongly
for each one. So the next one was I think.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
The Walking right Walking.
Speaker 6 (25:29):
Oh yeah, so that became more about autumn and geese
in a certain emotional tone. I realized that was really important,
or else you're putting out stuff that we need a
bit more guidance than that for how to Yeah, and
then I did that with Jane Sibbert. I think after
thirteen records, I thought, okay, that's enough. People don't even
(25:49):
know what record to start with, Like, let's start all
over a game with Issa. Yeah, now I've moved forward
to Jane sibbriy. But again, but it's funny like that
in a way, let we just say putting out a
song at a time is better than doing a whole record,
because we put it out as too much. People are
(26:11):
saturated and you don't honor. You think, but what about
that song in the middle that was about you know,
the beauty of someone's feet or something like that, and
that's on in this overwhelming massive music. So one song
at a time our figure. We can enjoy one song
at a time, and I'll have like a talk about it,
(26:31):
and people can tell me about that subject and in
some cases experts in the field, because some of the
songs are about you know, one of those about the
cash bill system, and I've talked to a lot of
people about that, so maybe people would enjoy hearing listening.
So it can sort of honor each song in a
way that maybe is easier for people to enjoy a song.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
It's all of shdang, do you are you? So that's
everything that you're saying is perfectly valid. Are you going
to miss.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
The the craftsmanship aspect of the crafting an album experience,
like by just but if we're only releasing a long
a time from now on.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
That's that's interesting. Yes, if I may just really quickly,
we've actually seen a lot of artists doing this podcast.
We've seen a ton of artists that are doing the
same type of thing that you're doing now, is doing
kind of a song at a time over maybe say
like a six month period or something like that. Do
like a song a month or something? Do you, like,
Dmitri says, do you think you'll miss the idea of
(27:40):
essentially crafting on an album?
Speaker 6 (27:42):
Oh no, but I am, Dmitri. I am in a
much bigger way than normal because now the crafting is
over within a season and over seasons, and it's story.
So I do feel I'm doing the same thing and
maybe like with the videos and then have repeating characters,
and even in the music arrangements, I have repeating voices.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
And then this is really interesting because to me, it
almost feels like you're releasing a Netflix series, did you.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Like, like legitimately, that's kind of what it feels like
to me that if you're doing almost kind of like,
what's the word episodic? Like, you know what I mean.
That's really interesting. I think that's a very very unique
way of going about releasing essentially a full length record.
Speaker 6 (28:35):
Yeah, I think. I think people love stories, and I
think the reason people will like love Netflix. It's a
reaction to like when we were like six years old
and we said, please, please, please, read another chapter, please,
and you have to go to sleep and lie there fidgeting.
And then now we get to like read ourselves as
many stories as we like all night long, and no
(28:57):
one can tell us we can't. I think it's very immature,
but we love Netflix.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
So Christopher Vaughan loves to love love and then and then.
But I think that this is a suggestion because it
says to love love ellipsis then love loves you too,
and then he's got a happy emoji.
Speaker 6 (29:22):
No, No, that's pretty Christopher. But I don't think it's
true because love always loves you always never never, like
no matter if we're committing suicide or whatever. Love is,
I believe it's it's always there. The only difference is
(29:44):
what gets in the way of feeling it. So you
don't love love to get something back A that's conditional,
and that's not what it's about, I think. But but yeah,
thank you Christopher. Come up with something else, something else
love and you can simplify your life and all you
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all you're going to do with every action from this
moment forward is to love, love and love us everything.
So to love you're I mean, all the hard things
I love are horrible things we say to ourselves about ourselves,
Like okay, can we can we actually love the way
we speak to ourselves and just say, oh, a poor
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little thing. Yeah, you had to do that for some
good reason. But let's just get on with the party.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
You know, Jane, you just seem like this person. That's
not only do you seem you are a wonderful person
to talk to, but I just feel like I can
just literally be, you know, so relaxed and comfortable with you.
Sometimes when you're speaking to celebrity, it's not the easiest
thing in the world. But like classical example, you were
asking how we were, you know, how we managed to
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deal with the pandemic and the things that we were.
You know, we're able to do saying awful things to yourself.
One of the things that I managed to overcome over
the pandemic was my imposter syndrome, which I struggled with
for fifteen years, you know, and that that's one of
the things that I was I was able to deal
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with over the pandemic.
Speaker 6 (31:16):
So did you actually get to the bottom of it
and released it through going deep enough or how did
you do that?
Speaker 1 (31:25):
So I actually was seeing a therapist and I'll be
straight up on so I'll tell you exactly how it happened.
Why not he kind of saying to me, He said
to me, you know, can you can I talk to
you about your imposter syndrome, but I want you to
be the imposter syndrome. And I was kind of like, okay,
you know, you sort of second guess and you're thinking
(31:47):
the whole hocus pocus thing and stuff of you know,
kind of medicine and this and that. And I was like, yeah, sure,
I'll be the imposter syndrome. So he asked me the
question of why do you stop Craig from doing certain
things you know that you don't want him to do,
And I said, because I'm trying to stop him from
getting hurt. And then my therapist said, it sounds to
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me like you really care for Craig, to which I
burst into tears. And it was the frame was completely
flipped backwards where I was looking at it a certain way,
as this is a negative thing that I'm dealing with,
and he turned it into a positive and that was really,
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you know, getting to the root of it. That was
really what helped me deal with it.
Speaker 6 (32:37):
And how do you make sure the root sticks? I mean,
you remove the root of it and then you replace
it with a whole different reframe, But how do you
make sure it sticks and grows in a positive way?
Like don't you find it sort of easy to go backwards?
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Yeah, that's a great question. It is easy to go backwards.
And I think it's because I lived in that headspace
for so long that I never want to go back
there again. And I know I don't ever have to
go back there again because I know that I am enough.
You know, I'm a great dad. You know, I like
to think I'm a great husband, and you know, a
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good person. And again, being able to do all of
the wonderful things that I do on a daily and
weekly basis helps me to not fall back into that pit.
Speaker 6 (33:25):
That's great. We all, aren't we all in the same boat?
That's fantastic, And I love hearing stories of that because
then it sort of inspires me or makes me remember
different moments I've had, Like you, Pat, you know, a
reframe that was really powerful.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Yeah, I wanted to ask you, Jane, talking with Dimitri
about just the breadth of the material that you have.
Would you consider yourself a concept based writer as far
as your music goes, like like doing concept albums, I
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guess is what I'm getting at.
Speaker 6 (34:04):
I don't think that word is necessary. I think most
artists are creating a thing, you know, but has to
tie together somehow, because I mean, that's how you generate energy.
Everything you create something that, like when you're cooking, it
generates more energy within it. So I think most musicians
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are like that. I think so are artists. So concept
I'd say that's sort of a given, but maybe not
answering your question the way you want. But so I'm
trying to like.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess concept can just a good
storyteller exactly exactly. That's the I guess that's probably pretty
more more of what I'm getting at as opposed to
kind of like concept based like Dark Side of the
Moon or something like that. You know, like it's a
that's kind of that's really more what I'm getting at,
Like just a great story.
Speaker 6 (34:57):
Oh definitely. I'm a dark side of the moon type person.
Like telling a story. I mean, that's what that is,
and people love stories. I mean to go right back
to those cold winter nights when we're in bed under
our you know, furs, at like five pm and someone's
got to tell stories. They better be bloody good.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
So exactly.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Craig was talking about Duke Street earlier.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
Yeah, anyway, looking back, it was looking back like the
roster was you ar Bergmann FM, Chalk Circle, Mo Kaufman
Like at the time at the time with you being
inside of it, did it seem did it seem at
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the time like it was like a really cool place
or that it was like a like did it seem
cool at the time or was it kind of or
was it a or was it a struggling small concern?
But that was like, how was Duke Street the Duke
Street experience for you?
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Looking back?
Speaker 6 (36:01):
Well, I'm a different person now, Dmitri, But then you
know I would be in sometimes in conflict with them,
you know about different things. The feeling I had to
defend my what I think I can offer. So, but
that was then and now I just see its like
Andy Hermant was great. You know, it was all fun
(36:23):
and all these bands whatever, you know, we were all
learning how to do it. No one really knew how
to be a band. No one really knew how to
be a record company president. We did, okay. It wasn't
like we all hung out that all the bands hung out,
but yeah, it was fine. And then at a certain point,
(36:43):
I guess I was also connected to Wyndham Hill and
then A and M and then Warner Repriez. Yeah, diffused
the the Duke Street energy. But it was all fun.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
And also I do have to ask another eighties question.
You were you were part of the Tears are not
enough recording?
Speaker 3 (37:07):
And I just have to.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
Think, like, like we've all the only other person in
that recording that that Craig and I have talked to
so far was Andy Kim. So I just wanted like,
could you tell us a little bit about your memories
of that day.
Speaker 6 (37:21):
Yeah, I just watched it, so I can. I can
tell you that I was sort of out of it.
All I knew was my manager said you have to
be here for this, and that I didn't know what
was happening. I tuned in later and I'm more tuned
in now, you know, to what it was. It was
really quite sweet, you know. And the video they documentary
they did is funny, and you know, Bruce Allen, the
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only part I really didn't like was when there was
a certain pride in using a real musician who played
French horn to get them to play one note, and
then you know, you have a fine musician sitting there,
and then they seem sort of proud, but they sampled
one note and he can go away. I really didn't Yeah,
(38:04):
but but I mean they we all make mistakes. Maybe
they maybe the people who made it or sorry they
put that into but it's who we were. So and
I loved as I sort of woke up a little
bit during the day, you know, I got to talk
to Joinie Mitchell and and Neil Young and people who
(38:25):
who I love, and then meet other people. When I
watch the video, like this year, it's a whole different perspective,
isn't it, Like and it can and then like I
just it was sweet. It was just super sweet, you know.
And then if you watch the American one that has
a whole different vibe too, depends on the director, the editor.
(38:49):
But yeah, but all in all, it's sweet because it's
all it's all us, and you know, we think we
are like whatever.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
Yeah, I would be absolutely destroyed by people that I
used to I used to work for CF and Y,
So a lot of the people that I'm still good
friends with are obviously maybe a bit dark music and
dark film fans and what have you, And they would
absolutely slay me if they knew that I did not
(39:19):
ask you anything about the Crow. Yeah, if just how
you managed to get involved with that project, is there
anything you could tell us about?
Speaker 6 (39:29):
It? Probably came through Reprise Warner Reprise, because all of
a sudden, you know, someone wanted me, Graham Ravelle, who's
a notorious songwriter for film. He wanted me to come
in to sing it and write the words. And it
came through. Yeah, just like Big Hollywood sent me a
(39:52):
rough cut. I didn't like it. Then I watched it
again and then I said, Okay, I could do it.
And then I went to Hollywood, to LA, to this
very strange suburb of new homes and sort of days
looking people and like fake neighborhood things, and you know kids.
Everything was like I would say, not nourishing, like disconnect.
(40:16):
It's like a bit of like, is this really what
life is supposed to be? Like Yeah, so that's always
useful to be learning and seeing and things like that.
And then I wrote, wrote he wanted the course to
be it won't rain all the time, we can't rain
all the time from the film fair enough, But I
(40:38):
couldn't get that out of my mouth, so I changed
it to it won't rain all the time. It's very
different it can't rain all the time, that it won't
rain all the time. But so yeah, I just got
swept into it with the usual you know, record company thing,
which is also what happened with Katie Lang. You know,
they said, oh, let's put two people together. They'll together,
(40:59):
they'll make it thing special. Who could we get to
blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
That wasn't getting Katie Lang. Wasn't your idea? No oh wow,
No okay.
Speaker 12 (41:10):
Because you because you you you do edit on Calling
All Angels and then you do edit a game with
let Me be Your Living Statue, which I so gorgeous.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
Thank you. You two work together so well.
Speaker 6 (41:28):
That doesn't have anything to do with who thought of
it though, But yes, I think it was the hand
of the greater involved. But lots of bubbles to pop,
you know. We don't want to fool ourselves, right, We
want to see true and then beyond that there's always
depth and mystery. But no, it wasn't like oh I
must sing with Katie Lang. But it ended up being
(41:49):
a beautiful thing.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
Yes, absolutely, between the two of us.
Speaker 6 (41:55):
Somehow it was an alchemy that was valuable of value. Yeah, so.
Speaker 4 (42:02):
What how why do you feel that your two voices
work so well together?
Speaker 6 (42:10):
Why do you think it?
Speaker 7 (42:15):
It's like, uh, I think that there, I think that.
Speaker 4 (42:21):
I think that just like you would never feel. It's
I think it's a textural thing in my ears.
Speaker 6 (42:29):
You know.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
It's just like.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
I don't I don't know how you decide who's whose harmonies,
who does what harmony? Like when you two work together,
obviously you're you're you, you two know what you're doing musically.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
I don't know. I don't know how you decide that it.
Speaker 6 (42:49):
Was Katie Laning. She just came in with these lines,
you know, and I just kind saying with her. A
lot of it was her creatively, you know, we said, okay,
let's break down this course and you're seeing you seeing it,
but her lines, she just did it.
Speaker 4 (43:07):
So you're talking about are you talking about calling all
angels or a living statue?
Speaker 1 (43:10):
Right?
Speaker 6 (43:11):
Calling all angels? And then living statue was probably the
same thing. She's just a full on musician. And I
think the blending is to a certain degree, like we
all carry our soul on our human voice to a
certain extent, and I think we might perhaps be sisters
(43:32):
in a way like spiritually. So there was a blending
of spiritual energy that is the texture that you said,
work together, you know, and her like when I would
solo her tracks, it would shock me and I'd feel,
you know, like, oh, there's the real thing. I'm not
a real singer. I know I'm not a real singer.
(43:52):
I know that, but she's a real singer. And it
would shock me when I'd solo her tracks and say,
oh my god, everyone in the studio would go, what
is happening here? With her voice. I think it's somehow
her soul is more apparent on her voice.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
Yeah, oh wow.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
I uh.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
I could listen to your talk for hours so.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
That it would be, but it would be, it would be,
But your time.
Speaker 6 (44:22):
Is fine changing stories and stuff and then you keep
you interested and I'd get sued for scandal.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
And yeah, oh, dear, thank you so much for joining
us today. Jane.
Speaker 6 (44:38):
It's been what you're doing. I think it's wonderful. And
and what you said about nurishing yourself through the pandemic,
it's so true about what you're doing. So I wish
you all the best. And you both seem very honest
and real and can't do better than that, you know.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
Thank you, Jane. You're just you. Oh you are just awesome.
That's so really. I there's a million, you know, wonderful,
you know, descriptives that I can give about you, but
you're just like you're just You're a national treasure. You're awesome,
and you just we just can't thank you enough for
for your We can't thank you enough for the music
(45:14):
and the memory of that.
Speaker 6 (45:15):
I hope you really enjoy the new music.
Speaker 4 (45:17):
I'm really Yeah, well I'm sure I will. I'm sure
I will. Just speaking for myself me too, but but yeah,
as I said before, uh, Jane, everybody out there. Jane
is touring all over like all over North America throughout
November and the the very beginning of December, you can
(45:40):
go to Janesibbery dot com to check for tour dates
she's got, like she's hitting Winnipeg, Saskatoon, Calgary, Edmonton, Duncan,
n Naimo, Courtney, Victoria, Vancouver.
Speaker 3 (45:50):
Chilli Whack.
Speaker 4 (45:53):
And then and then Toronto and her last, her last
Canadian date on this website so far is Ottawa.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
But but yeah.
Speaker 6 (46:03):
Yeah, I'm not going to Newfoundland, which is one of
my favorite places on the planet. But yeah, but so
it's a it's a compartmentalized Canadian tour. I'm not fa
I just want to say that. But I only meant
to do it to raise some money to finish the recording,
and now it's become sort of a big deal. And
I put in as many dates as I could, so
(46:23):
I'm playing almost every night. And I don't know if
that was a good idea, but I look forward to
getting out on the world stage and feeling people. I
really do. And I didn't want to go for too
long because I have a beautiful rescue dog and I,
you know, we're I didn't want to make him insecure.
Speaker 3 (46:42):
So there's can ask Can I ask what type of dog?
Speaker 6 (46:46):
He's a Jindo Akida Mix's okay. He's from Korea and
came over with an agency and I just lucked out.
He was like six or so. He's so peaceful and
he had to work off a lot of trauma at first,
had walk nightmares for a long time. But he's processed beautifully.
(47:06):
All these things came out and now it's Oh, it's
I just I'm so lucky.
Speaker 3 (47:13):
Good for you, So ken, let let me so I
wanted to after this interview. I wanted to.
Speaker 4 (47:22):
I had planned to play the song moreag Oh that
was on Ulysses Purse and Angels Bend Closer, and just
because like I just felt like that song kind of
makes me well up. Do you have anything that you
want to tell us about to create the creative process
(47:44):
in writing that song.
Speaker 3 (47:46):
And where it comes from.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
I do.
Speaker 6 (47:49):
First of all, the Ulyssie's first version is better because
I used the basis for it were bells from Saint
Paul's Cathedral in England. This wind came up. I was
there with my dog Guillem, and the bells started ringing
and my hair and my skirt blew up. I wasn't
wearing a skirt. But don't tell anything.
Speaker 3 (48:10):
Storytelling you just told everybody.
Speaker 6 (48:15):
Imagine what like. Yeah, so that was key, and they
left that the bells out of the the Angel's been
closer version, so that rhythm and those sounds became part
of it. And honestly, part of it came from when
I my first of three dogs, I was told he
didn't have a great will to live because he was
(48:36):
very sick, and so she did just tell him about,
you know, what will happen if he does live. So
I would say, oh, and in the fall, you'll see
this and that, and the leaves will and they'll have
a different smell. And I went through all the seasons.
So in a way, that was a bit of a
template for me telling a young person, you know, all
amazing things are going to see and feel in here.
(49:01):
And it's a song I wish i'd heard when I
was younger. Absolutely, I mean some greater view of the world,
you know, So that song means a lot to me
and I live where all the moss and liking is
that I mentioned in the song up in northern Canada.
How I am so lucky, I don't know, but yeah,
(49:22):
so I'm surrounded by beautiful, microscopic things.
Speaker 4 (49:26):
As a microbiologist would be yeah, absolutely, I don't.
Speaker 6 (49:31):
Really believe in germs, so I don't know how that goes.
Speaker 1 (49:37):
Oh wow, Nibery, thank you, thank you, thank you so
much for hanging out with us today on Canadian as
Heck episode one oh one, and uh, we just really
appreciate your time and again thanks for the music and
the memories. Have a great day, all the best.
Speaker 3 (49:53):
Thanks a lot much.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
You should.
Speaker 3 (49:57):
Yeah, I was.
Speaker 4 (50:01):
Yeah that I'm gonna We're going to play that song
that Jane was talking about at the end of the interview,
which was which came to be when she was outside
the Saint Paul's Cathedral in London, England with her dog
and uh nice and it comes from her twenty sixteen
album Ulysses Purse.
Speaker 3 (50:20):
I'm so I until we spoke to until Craig and
I spoke.
Speaker 4 (50:24):
To her today, I wasn't sure if this was advice
to a child, if this was advice from her mother
to her or something else. It also there is a
cellist named Morag Northey who holds Sibbery as one of
her her heroes, so I was thinking maybe this is
advice to her. At any rate, it turns out it
(50:48):
was inspired by her ailing dog. So this is moragg
by Jane Sibbery on Canadian as Heck on Revolution Radio, Cannon.
Speaker 3 (50:58):
Don't make me cry. You gonna cry, You're gonna cry.
Speaker 1 (51:02):
I'm a dog guy.
Speaker 3 (51:03):
You guys know that, dude. Well, then then take the tellers.
Take comfort in this.
Speaker 13 (51:22):
M dode die, rise from your mossy. Leave you like
(51:59):
and dreams behind. The deer have left clip trails for
you to fall, left the bad, to.
Speaker 6 (52:11):
Press the bad to the end. Today has some fans
fish for you.
Speaker 9 (52:24):
Oh time, there's a man an look on your.
Speaker 11 (52:34):
Land.
Speaker 6 (52:35):
Rose.
Speaker 3 (52:36):
Stay.
Speaker 9 (52:39):
He's a head, some stranger with lots of wistism, and
he's calm to help you on your wand.
Speaker 6 (52:57):
Oh my dar and you have so much love ahead
of you. Some days you'll feel like you can fly,
or like Hercules.
Speaker 14 (53:08):
Standing against the azure sky.
Speaker 15 (53:13):
In other days you feel like you don't have the
will to carry on, to carry out your dreams.
Speaker 6 (53:21):
You'll choke on truth and your body. You will get
sick and stay.
Speaker 8 (53:30):
But the wondrous thing is Help is everywhere, and it
comes in the strangest ways. So poetic and poignant is
affair like in springtime when people broods rise from the mouth.
Speaker 6 (53:48):
They're happy, they're.
Speaker 8 (53:49):
Laughing, they're calling for love at.
Speaker 6 (53:52):
The top of their lungs like you.
Speaker 14 (53:54):
Thought you never could, and they did instead.
Speaker 6 (53:58):
Healing is in the day.
Speaker 14 (54:02):
Life is a precious ring given to us by love
to polish and shine with.
Speaker 6 (54:08):
All wheelern with all wheat, earn.
Speaker 15 (54:13):
Perhaps forgiving others and getting on with love in ourselves
instead and.
Speaker 16 (54:19):
Shining will be the eyes of your friends.
Speaker 15 (54:22):
Holding your perfection when you can't, when you rec't, your
soul descend into the darkness on your way to the
miracle of skin.
Speaker 16 (54:35):
The gift of your sensitivity is truly a gift, though
you'll be told it's a weakness, a handki. In fact,
you'll be the sand the ocean before we see safe.
This also means, though you'll be standing in the village
square feeling nauseous and deaf, just be picking up leave
(55:01):
after all the hangings it took place there.
Speaker 14 (55:11):
When things feel desperate and insane, all beauty dune, remember
the choice.
Speaker 1 (55:18):
That always yours to make.
Speaker 11 (55:22):
In the blink of an all of the all seeing,
you can choose to change call in two diamonds with
compassion and love and greater understanding.
Speaker 1 (55:36):
Instead, And as we learn to do such things, we.
Speaker 9 (55:41):
All are hard and soul and might.
Speaker 14 (55:45):
With the intensity of single sight, we'll see things we've
never seen before.
Speaker 8 (55:54):
They say we.
Speaker 6 (55:55):
Will do they so much.
Speaker 9 (56:01):
To helps we love, which will be every living thing.
Speaker 14 (56:11):
Daney touched, the things that turn you on, that whatever
makes you dark and dull and drained to be gone,
even if people.
Speaker 6 (56:21):
Criticize and say you're wrong. This makes your life.
Speaker 8 (56:28):
It's beautiful end.
Speaker 14 (56:31):
Life that shines with your own life, a life where
you wake up every day excited.
Speaker 6 (56:39):
To be up and on your way, and that makes
your love.
Speaker 1 (56:44):
Of this world.
Speaker 6 (56:47):
Your separation has no place, is your place.
Speaker 14 (56:52):
But a sound for bells and wings and the opposite
to grace bells and twins, and the off sync to
greate bars weird off syc to Greates bells wad topsy
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to Revolution Radio Canada and enjoy this podcast. So this
is Canadian as Heck Episode one zero one, our first
episode back after well last week. Really uncomfortable and yeah,
(00:46):
thank you for showing us that. Appreciate it. Your arm
keeps disappearing every time. Every time it goes upwards, it
completely disappears, and then when it's at the bottom of
the screen it reappears again.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
So you know what with the sorry I'm let me
interject here just for a second, because you said the
thing about the disappearing and the arm. Okay, if we
have the technology to make deep bake videos of Donald
Trump and whatnot and they look legit, do you not
(01:21):
think they could do something about this yanky ass fucking
virtual background garbage.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Pretty bad, isn't it. Yeah, Like, look at me, like
I've said many times, I look like you look like
Marty McFly. Yeah, I look like Marty McFly. And my
hands keep disappearing.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
And here's here's, here's Dimitri going. You know, fuck it,
I'm not even gonna bother.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Well, they won't let me restream, won't.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Let me restream, won't let you.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
No, like somebody has to. There's probably there once was
a way. Once there was a way get back, to
get back home. But once there was there was a
way for me to have a background.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
I was well done, that was great to meet.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
You're welcome, But uh I did. But I think that
I think that.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Norton wanted to update something on my computer and I
couldn't do my background anymore.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
So you know, so I blame it on Norton. Blame
it on Norton.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Can we can we I know, I know I brought
this up last Monday, But can we talk about how
absolutely beautiful my camera is?
Speaker 3 (02:33):
It's very very nice.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Did we talk about this last week?
Speaker 2 (02:36):
I did because I was like, I looked fucking like
not not that me personally, I look great, but like
like visuals like the technology bit.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
So why don't you get rid of that background? Why
don't you just use your your natural uh thing? So
then you're not.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Like the Jeremy Chris, the Army Chris has hid Craig
g Yo.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Well well, well, well it's the Army Chris. What's up?
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Because my background looks like that. That's lovely. I love
the brick perfectly, isn't that nice? And I love the
cat Jim.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Yeah, that's my cat Jim. Why isn't Chris. Why isn't
the Army Chris on this show?
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Chris? What are you doing?
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Bud?
Speaker 1 (03:26):
He will be.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
So anyway, anyway, we got we have we have a
treat for you, for you folks in the internet today.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
I don't know why I'm talking like this, but yeah, okay, Chris,
let us let us do this.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Let us do this little special thing and then we'll
we'll we'll we'll throw you a link and we can
get on this.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Yeah, we'll get you to jump on, buddy, okay.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
And it'll be less it'll be less of a chicken
head show.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Then Monday was.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
What do you mean chickenhead show? Oh dude, it.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Was like everybody like I thought I was doing irish.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
I don't know what the Army Chris, Yeah, the Army
Chris was talking about Scottish Dmitri, you know, and I
thought I thought I was doing Irish there, you know.
But anyway, anyway, hilarious anyway, Okay, earlier today myself and
Dimitri Alexi you not Dimitri uh McClellan, uh uhle Dimitri
(04:38):
and I had the great, great pleasure of speaking to
the incredible Jane Sibbery. Now this interview missed it. This
interview was freaking awesome. We were sorry, Derek missed it.
It was a wonderful interview. We're going to play it
for you now. At the end of that Army Chris
is going to set up the interviews about the thirty
and thirty five minutes long or something like that, so
(04:59):
it's probably.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
Got was forty by the time we all said start
stop thanking each other.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
So you yeah, that's true. We did thank each other
about twenty times. She was just wonderful. Well you'll see,
you'll see, you'll see for yourselves. Okay, uh so we're
going to play this interview. Here we are joined today.
You hang on a second, that slow down still.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Out like serious, eager, so eager.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
This was a fantastic interview. Chris I'm going to shoot
you the invite as of right now. You're going to
have it in about the next five minutes or so. Okay, Bud,
and you got to pick a song.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
A song, Thank you, Craig.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Jump on in a half hour.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Okay, Thanksig, Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Derek, And.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
What are you thinking us for?
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Just to start to thank you?
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Oh, thank you, Dimitri, Oh thank you, thank you. Sure,
we would like to say thank you to Row one.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Thank you, stream, thank you, restream, thank you.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
I would like to say thank you to Row one
seat too, thank you. We would like to say to
Row one seat three, thank you. Okay, we're just gonna
get this going. Okay, here we go. Wow. I enjoy this.
I know literally enjoy this interview with Ms Jane Sibbery.
(06:20):
It's freaking awesome. It was so much fun.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Look at that.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
We go enjoy you meet by a National treasure. Folks,
please welcome on the podcast today, the one the only
Jane Sibbery. Yay, weack, thank you, thank you so much
for being here. By the way, I love the glasses too.
I was actually going to say that to you if
off the top here when we were when we were
(06:45):
talking before. So yeah, if you don't need them, then
it's it's totally up to you.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
But uh.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Yeah, oh, Dmitri take it away. And it looks like
we've got somebody in the waiting room here.
Speaker 6 (06:56):
David. His name David, Yes, oh, yes, he's he's working
with me, so please let him in?
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Can we bring him in?
Speaker 6 (07:05):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Please?
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Do is it's what's David's last name? Olenik okay? And
what does and what does he do?
Speaker 6 (07:14):
Is he he is part of my amazing think tank
which just coagulated or galvanized catalyzed like four months ago
when I reached out needing help with the release so
that I just don't send an email out, so a
group of people have gotten together to make sure the
music does get out my new recording. Yeah, he is
(07:35):
sort of the mastermind of all this and much.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Yeah, I get your newsletter, so I've seen that, like
you've been back and forth between New York and Toronto
and uh and working working on this and uh and
the last I thought like it's probably like the we
can probably expect some new music around November.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
You're thinking, yeah.
Speaker 6 (07:58):
Yes, I have have to tour for November, so it'll
be there. May be something that comes out.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
But I have and I have my tickets for where huroom. Yeah,
I'm very excited. But I have seen you play before.
You did you did a song you did a songwriter
showcase at the Fox Theater and the Beaches in Toronto. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
so yeah, and I even got to meet you, bet
but like that was a thrill.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
But anyway, but.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Anyway, and now you're meeting for the second time to
meet Yeah, so that's awesome.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Good for you.
Speaker 6 (08:30):
So that anyway, all the all the lies are going
to fall away, like like a ceramic cup in the
middle of winter when you just tap it lightly. That's
what's going to happen to you.
Speaker 7 (08:45):
So so tell us how how is this new music
taking shape?
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Is it taking shape in a different way than previous
than previous albums have have come about?
Speaker 6 (08:59):
Yes, I wasn't sure if I do another recording, but
finally I had it sort of in my being to
create something and so I just did a lot of
it in my bedroom, you know, on my laptop, and
then started working with a dear friend, Renee Cologne, who
is also a fantastic musician producer in the States. So
(09:21):
together we have shepherded all the songs into a long
recording And yes, I've had to do it like recording
week at a time until I raised the money for
the next one. So it took quite a while in
a perfect way. But so it's means slow, but I'm
(09:41):
very pleased with the results answer your question. So, I
don't think I can put it out as a whole.
I have to keep you waiting for the next lump
of money to come in. So we thought the natural
thing is to just release one song at a time.
That's the plan anyway.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Okay, And is Sheba Record still a thing? Your ear
independent label?
Speaker 6 (10:10):
No, I don't really have a label anymore, but it's
the company that owns the music. Yeah, okay, I let
that go a long time ago.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
So prior to the new album your most you had
in twenty sixteen you put out Ulysses Purse and then
in twenty seventeen you did a remix with three new
songs and that collection was called Angels Ben Closer.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Yeah, why did you?
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Why did now you mentioned that you didn't feel like
you were going to release anything ever, again, what was
what was causing that?
Speaker 6 (10:46):
I think there wasn't enough magnetism in my being to
be a musician for quite a while. So then something
something changed inside me and I felt I had concentrated
enough love for music that I could do something again.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Awesome, So I feel so I just like I am.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
You know, way back in the beginning of your career,
or even before your career, you had you acquired a
degree in microbiology. Oh, Christopher Vaughnce is when I was
a boy? Album is such a classic. So who do
you know? So we had we already had. I wasn't
(11:33):
expecting comments in the in whatever stream.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
I wasn't expected either, Okay, Christopher Vaughan, Okay.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
So and so do you feel like like a background
in science has like fed your process at all in
making music?
Speaker 8 (11:58):
Is?
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Was she frozen?
Speaker 1 (12:00):
I'm not sure, Jane, are you there?
Speaker 9 (12:09):
They have.
Speaker 10 (12:11):
Maybe technical issues? Oh hold that thought, Tom tre okay,
Oh there we go. Yeah that was Oh she's back there.
Speaker 6 (12:26):
It's my link. I know you wanted something really solid,
but I am on hot hot spots.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
That's okay, no worries, it happens, no problem. Dmitri had
a question for you in regards to in regards to
your degree and.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Your science degree, do you feel like a background in
science has has uh has influenced you, like in the
way that you you approach creativity or anything like that.
Speaker 6 (12:48):
It's given me a sort of it's reinforced my desire
to like have sus substance before I say anything. You know,
partly where I took the degree is because the New
Age was sort of coming to be and it interested
me very much Like a lot of people, like all
the information about energy and all this, but most people
seem to be blowing through their hats. They didn't really
(13:09):
know what energy was. So I just I get frustrated
when it's too lucy goosey, because we need to depend
on things. Science is wonderful for that to a certain degree. Well,
I decided to just learn more about it and then
build from the bottom up. So an answer to your question,
did it affect I think honestly it's backwards. You know.
(13:33):
It's the way I am influenced what I studied.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Awesome and go ahead, Craig, Yeah, no, I was actually
just going to say, going back to of course, Jane Sibbery,
your the debut release back in eighty one on Duke
Street Records. We've spoken of Duke Street records several times
on this podcast of how unbelievably cool a label that
(13:59):
certainly you know that certainly was you were talking earlier
about working with a wonderful musician out of the United States.
I wanted to ask you if you have seen any
issues recently with the with CANCN rules as far as
(14:20):
working internationally, as far as working with international musicians, because
I know Brian Adams actually has spoken out about this
a few times in regards to you know, maybe not
being Canadian content enough. I'm just wondering if if you've
seen any any issues like that, if there, if you've
had to deal with that in the past.
Speaker 6 (14:39):
Well that's for radio, isn't it. I mean, yeah, where
is radio now? I don't even think it exists the
same way as it used to. How can they have
Well maybe it does. I'm just out of the loop,
but I have no interest in it, so I haven't
watched it. I can't really, I can't. I can't really
speak to that.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Mm hmm. What what what avenues are you more interested
in these days? I mean, obviously streaming, I'm sure probably,
but what other avenues do you really kind of look
at and think this is where I really want to
have my material live live streaming.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
Yeah, no live shows, you know, Okay, because that's even
if I wrote and wrote and wrote and released music
and people liked it and the energy built to me
that I know now the most important thing is when
I play live. That's when I go out. I would
really miss it if I couldn't go out to see
how the world is. So like, when I play live,
(15:34):
it's so hugely important to about just telling me what's
happening in the world, how people are, all that kind
of stuff. It's huge. I would feel like half half
the man I am if I didn't if I didn't
play live, feel disconnected. So that's really important to me.
(15:55):
And secondly, in a more precise answer to your question, streaming,
I don't know if it's there yet. I don't know
if the right avenue is there yet, but definitely interactive important. Yeah, anyway,
Like I feel like you're being heard, Like the audience
needs to feel heard. That's huge. That's why you get
(16:18):
an expression like when the singer cries, the audience stops.
That's what it's all about. You know, the audience is
feeling heard until the singer backs up and thinks more
about herself than the audience, and the audience feels that
immediately and doesn't cry because they are now vulnerable, They're
(16:40):
not being held by the singer.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Given how given how important live performance is to you,
And and I remember you during the pandemic, like because
I've been I've been a part of your newsletter newsletter
recipients for a long time time. But how how how
(17:05):
hard was it to feed your soul? Like what like
when like live music went away during the pandemic, Like
and how like how did you manage? Like I know
that you did a lot of meditation, and you did,
and you actually hosted meditation sessions online, but like but
also like the performance, like, like, how did you sustain
(17:25):
yourself through that period?
Speaker 6 (17:29):
I think the meditations even was it was a nourishing
for everybody. It didn't matter it was music or not.
It was just had to keep connecting, connect, connect, because yeah,
everyone knows why. But that was very hard on everybody.
And interesting, I'm not saying hard is bad, you know,
(17:50):
it just was a bit of a wake up call
for a lot of people. And yeah, how about you,
how did you nourish yourselves?
Speaker 4 (18:00):
I think getting together with this gentleman like in the corner,
you know, and like and basically just sort of like
like talking about music that we love online, you know,
I think and I think that that was very important.
It was all but yeah, I had to get out
and walk around, you know. And did you.
Speaker 6 (18:23):
Learn to yourself too? I think a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Went, are you there? You think?
Speaker 11 (18:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (18:33):
I think we. I certainly managed to learn a lot
of interesting things about myself and I actually did a
lot of healing over the pandemic.
Speaker 6 (18:44):
Fantastic, fantastic.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (18:46):
I really did seem like that's what we need. But
we're all needing a lot of that, and a lot
of people maybe did mm hmmm.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
It's interesting, you know, Jane, it's it's this radio station,
radio station. This is an internet radio station, and we're
we love what we do and we just we adore
what we do and we're so lucky and fortunate to
speak to wonderful people like yourself, and this is this
for us has been very therapeutic, I think, just like
Dimitri said that, you know, we get to do this
(19:18):
on a weekly basis, and you know, we just celebrated
our one hundredth anniversary last week. We had Creamy Tea
singer Isquay Join Us Live. We had Trevor Hurst from
Aconnalline Crush, We had Brad Merritt from fifty four forty
and just you know, and and on and on and on,
and we just had all these wonderful guests that are
willing to talk to us. And because of that, we
(19:40):
just we just count our lucky stars. We really do
every day. And again, like we've we've already thanked you,
I think six times since you've come on the screen.
Speaker 6 (19:49):
You know.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
It's just it's it's awesome that we get to do this.
So this for me has been has been one of
the things that's that's kept me going.
Speaker 6 (19:57):
Yeah, so if it's so important, which we've all read,
it's like communication, Like can moments be any better than this,
Like the three of us talking right now, Like it's
it's like a ball of sunlight or something. You know,
how do you offer that to more people who don't
even know how to find, don't even know how they
(20:18):
could be nourished. Seems like this is a way to expand,
to be of service in some way.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Yeah, I I couldn't agree with you. Literally, you just
literally hit the nail on the head because that's one
of the things that moving forward now that we've essentially
we've done a hundred of these shows and we kind
of feel like we're we sort of think we know
what we're doing now, you know, I'm I mean, as
far as interview go, an interviewer goes, I'm no George Strombeloplast,
(20:47):
but I do the best that I possibly can, you know.
So what we want to do starting to move forward
is we want to advertise on our you know platforms, Facebook,
Instagram and try and get our word out there. And
we're hoping to get as any people involved in this
project as we can because I think there's a lot
of wonderful people out there that would be able to
contribute a lot of great content. So you know, that's
(21:09):
one way that I think we would love to reach out.
Speaker 6 (21:13):
And like a moniker that like, are you know Canadian
as heck come be nourished in a way you didn't
know you even needed, you know, simple everyday human beings
like yourselves. Let's do it sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Mm hmm, absolutely, yeah. You know, there's a great sort
I guess it's called like a mantra that I stole.
I stole from the great DJ Jazzy Jeff, and it's music, Colon.
It's not what I do, it's who I am. That's
one I just I just kind of live by that
(21:53):
every day. So you know, like I say, being able
to talk to wonderful folks like you, it's uh, I'm
living it and I'm lucky, you know.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
So. Christopher Vaughn.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Christopher Vaughn wants to know if the new album has
a working title yet.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
Many would you like to hear some?
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (22:12):
I think, Christopher Vaughn, I think this is a world
premiere here.
Speaker 6 (22:19):
Okay, well, a few things I'm sure of. I'm because
the songs relate to each other, and because I like
to link songs together, and when I do a live show.
By the end of the tour, it's like one long
story that goes together cohesively, all the songs. Anyway, it's
(22:39):
the way I am. So I'm going to call it
season one as the overriding Thing, and then Season one
will have its own name, like here are the possibilities
Season one? These hard knots k n ot s until
people kept saying nuts nuts? Are you saying nuts?
Speaker 9 (22:58):
Nuts?
Speaker 6 (23:01):
You have to test things out and then now I'm
thinking it was going to be called to Love Love,
but maybe that's for a later season, I think. And
then each song is an episode, really, you know, so
the first I think the first episode is season one,
whatever it is, and then episode one is bountiful, beautiful,
(23:24):
and then that'll go that's the next song, and so
then it's sort of an open ended recording. I just
keep adding to the next season or whatever, and I
don't have to think, oh, kind of get a whole
new recording. It's just like it just it felt like
a good thing for me to do. So season one
(23:46):
whatever the umbrella name is. But season one is fine.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
But the thing about so we're going to have like
numerous seasons coming out.
Speaker 6 (23:57):
Yeah, I hope so to a doubt.
Speaker 7 (24:03):
Hopefully because because the thing, the thing about your career
is that you it seems that you are you never
want to repeat yourself, ye, Like I think I think
that like every every time. Like I agree, Yeah, you've
never wanted to repeat yourself, Like when when like after
Speckless Sky you went in a hard different direction with
(24:24):
the walking, and then after and then after when I
was a boy, you went in a hard different direction
with Maria, And so is that fair to say like
that you never that you that you don't you change
direction and like and that excites you.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Probably right, like to change direction all the time.
Speaker 6 (24:44):
Yeah, as long as it's not patchy, you know, and
just doing it for the sake of change. But if
there's an inner guidance. I noticed that after the Speckless Sky,
even though they the first three records are widely different,
because they were widely different, they were all the same,
you know what I mean. It was weird, like every
(25:04):
record had a slow, beautiful and then fun upbeat, you know,
even though within it they had a wide variety. Because
they were all having wide variety, I've realized there's something missing.
So I had to pull out different colors more strongly
for each one. So the next one was I think.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
The Walking right Walking.
Speaker 6 (25:29):
Oh yeah, so that became more about autumn and geese
in a certain emotional tone. I realized that was really important,
or else you're putting out stuff that we need a
bit more guidance than that for how to Yeah, and
then I did that with Jane Sibbert. I think after
thirteen records, I thought, okay, that's enough. People don't even
(25:49):
know what record to start with, Like, let's start all
over a game with Issa. Yeah, now I've moved forward
to Jane sibbriy. But again, but it's funny like that
in a way, let we just say putting out a
song at a time is better than doing a whole record,
because we put it out as too much. People are
(26:11):
saturated and you don't honor. You think, but what about
that song in the middle that was about you know,
the beauty of someone's feet or something like that, and
that's on in this overwhelming massive music. So one song
at a time our figure. We can enjoy one song
at a time, and I'll have like a talk about it,
(26:31):
and people can tell me about that subject and in
some cases experts in the field, because some of the
songs are about you know, one of those about the
cash bill system, and I've talked to a lot of
people about that, so maybe people would enjoy hearing listening.
So it can sort of honor each song in a
way that maybe is easier for people to enjoy a song.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
It's all of shdang, do you are you? So that's
everything that you're saying is perfectly valid. Are you going
to miss.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
The the craftsmanship aspect of the crafting an album experience,
like by just but if we're only releasing a long
a time from now on.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
That's that's interesting. Yes, if I may just really quickly,
we've actually seen a lot of artists doing this podcast.
We've seen a ton of artists that are doing the
same type of thing that you're doing now, is doing
kind of a song at a time over maybe say
like a six month period or something like that. Do
like a song a month or something? Do you, like,
Dmitri says, do you think you'll miss the idea of
(27:40):
essentially crafting on an album?
Speaker 6 (27:42):
Oh no, but I am, Dmitri. I am in a
much bigger way than normal because now the crafting is
over within a season and over seasons, and it's story.
So I do feel I'm doing the same thing and
maybe like with the videos and then have repeating characters,
and even in the music arrangements, I have repeating voices.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
And then this is really interesting because to me, it
almost feels like you're releasing a Netflix series, did you.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Like, like legitimately, that's kind of what it feels like
to me that if you're doing almost kind of like,
what's the word episodic? Like, you know what I mean.
That's really interesting. I think that's a very very unique
way of going about releasing essentially a full length record.
Speaker 6 (28:35):
Yeah, I think. I think people love stories, and I
think the reason people will like love Netflix. It's a
reaction to like when we were like six years old
and we said, please, please, please, read another chapter, please,
and you have to go to sleep and lie there fidgeting.
And then now we get to like read ourselves as
many stories as we like all night long, and no
(28:57):
one can tell us we can't. I think it's very immature,
but we love Netflix.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
So Christopher Vaughan loves to love love and then and then.
But I think that this is a suggestion because it
says to love love ellipsis then love loves you too,
and then he's got a happy emoji.
Speaker 6 (29:22):
No, No, that's pretty Christopher. But I don't think it's
true because love always loves you always never never, like
no matter if we're committing suicide or whatever. Love is,
I believe it's it's always there. The only difference is
(29:44):
what gets in the way of feeling it. So you
don't love love to get something back A that's conditional,
and that's not what it's about, I think. But but yeah,
thank you Christopher. Come up with something else, something else
love and you can simplify your life and all you
(30:05):
all you're going to do with every action from this
moment forward is to love, love and love us everything.
So to love you're I mean, all the hard things
I love are horrible things we say to ourselves about ourselves,
Like okay, can we can we actually love the way
we speak to ourselves and just say, oh, a poor
(30:25):
little thing. Yeah, you had to do that for some
good reason. But let's just get on with the party.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
You know, Jane, you just seem like this person. That's
not only do you seem you are a wonderful person
to talk to, but I just feel like I can
just literally be, you know, so relaxed and comfortable with you.
Sometimes when you're speaking to celebrity, it's not the easiest
thing in the world. But like classical example, you were
asking how we were, you know, how we managed to
(30:53):
deal with the pandemic and the things that we were.
You know, we're able to do saying awful things to yourself.
One of the things that I managed to overcome over
the pandemic was my imposter syndrome, which I struggled with
for fifteen years, you know, and that that's one of
the things that I was I was able to deal
(31:14):
with over the pandemic.
Speaker 6 (31:16):
So did you actually get to the bottom of it
and released it through going deep enough or how did
you do that?
Speaker 1 (31:25):
So I actually was seeing a therapist and I'll be
straight up on so I'll tell you exactly how it happened.
Why not he kind of saying to me, He said
to me, you know, can you can I talk to
you about your imposter syndrome, but I want you to
be the imposter syndrome. And I was kind of like, okay,
you know, you sort of second guess and you're thinking
(31:47):
the whole hocus pocus thing and stuff of you know,
kind of medicine and this and that. And I was like, yeah, sure,
I'll be the imposter syndrome. So he asked me the
question of why do you stop Craig from doing certain
things you know that you don't want him to do,
And I said, because I'm trying to stop him from
getting hurt. And then my therapist said, it sounds to
(32:11):
me like you really care for Craig, to which I
burst into tears. And it was the frame was completely
flipped backwards where I was looking at it a certain way,
as this is a negative thing that I'm dealing with,
and he turned it into a positive and that was really,
(32:33):
you know, getting to the root of it. That was
really what helped me deal with it.
Speaker 6 (32:37):
And how do you make sure the root sticks? I mean,
you remove the root of it and then you replace
it with a whole different reframe, But how do you
make sure it sticks and grows in a positive way?
Like don't you find it sort of easy to go backwards?
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Yeah, that's a great question. It is easy to go backwards.
And I think it's because I lived in that headspace
for so long that I never want to go back
there again. And I know I don't ever have to
go back there again because I know that I am enough.
You know, I'm a great dad. You know, I like
to think I'm a great husband, and you know, a
(33:15):
good person. And again, being able to do all of
the wonderful things that I do on a daily and
weekly basis helps me to not fall back into that pit.
Speaker 6 (33:25):
That's great. We all, aren't we all in the same boat?
That's fantastic, And I love hearing stories of that because
then it sort of inspires me or makes me remember
different moments I've had, Like you, Pat, you know, a
reframe that was really powerful.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Yeah, I wanted to ask you, Jane, talking with Dimitri
about just the breadth of the material that you have.
Would you consider yourself a concept based writer as far
as your music goes, like like doing concept albums, I
(34:01):
guess is what I'm getting at.
Speaker 6 (34:04):
I don't think that word is necessary. I think most
artists are creating a thing, you know, but has to
tie together somehow, because I mean, that's how you generate energy.
Everything you create something that, like when you're cooking, it
generates more energy within it. So I think most musicians
(34:27):
are like that. I think so are artists. So concept
I'd say that's sort of a given, but maybe not
answering your question the way you want. But so I'm
trying to like.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess concept can just a good
storyteller exactly exactly. That's the I guess that's probably pretty
more more of what I'm getting at as opposed to
kind of like concept based like Dark Side of the
Moon or something like that. You know, like it's a
that's kind of that's really more what I'm getting at,
Like just a great story.
Speaker 6 (34:57):
Oh definitely. I'm a dark side of the moon type person.
Like telling a story. I mean, that's what that is,
and people love stories. I mean to go right back
to those cold winter nights when we're in bed under
our you know, furs, at like five pm and someone's
got to tell stories. They better be bloody good.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
So exactly.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Craig was talking about Duke Street earlier.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
Yeah, anyway, looking back, it was looking back like the
roster was you ar Bergmann FM, Chalk Circle, Mo Kaufman
Like at the time at the time with you being
inside of it, did it seem did it seem at
(35:43):
the time like it was like a really cool place
or that it was like a like did it seem
cool at the time or was it kind of or
was it a or was it a struggling small concern?
But that was like, how was Duke Street the Duke
Street experience for you?
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Looking back?
Speaker 6 (36:01):
Well, I'm a different person now, Dmitri, But then you
know I would be in sometimes in conflict with them,
you know about different things. The feeling I had to
defend my what I think I can offer. So, but
that was then and now I just see its like
Andy Hermant was great. You know, it was all fun
(36:23):
and all these bands whatever, you know, we were all
learning how to do it. No one really knew how
to be a band. No one really knew how to
be a record company president. We did, okay. It wasn't
like we all hung out that all the bands hung out,
but yeah, it was fine. And then at a certain point,
(36:43):
I guess I was also connected to Wyndham Hill and
then A and M and then Warner Repriez. Yeah, diffused
the the Duke Street energy. But it was all fun.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
And also I do have to ask another eighties question.
You were you were part of the Tears are not
enough recording?
Speaker 3 (37:07):
And I just have to.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
Think, like, like we've all the only other person in
that recording that that Craig and I have talked to
so far was Andy Kim. So I just wanted like,
could you tell us a little bit about your memories
of that day.
Speaker 6 (37:21):
Yeah, I just watched it, so I can. I can
tell you that I was sort of out of it.
All I knew was my manager said you have to
be here for this, and that I didn't know what
was happening. I tuned in later and I'm more tuned
in now, you know, to what it was. It was
really quite sweet, you know. And the video they documentary
they did is funny, and you know, Bruce Allen, the
(37:42):
only part I really didn't like was when there was
a certain pride in using a real musician who played
French horn to get them to play one note, and
then you know, you have a fine musician sitting there,
and then they seem sort of proud, but they sampled
one note and he can go away. I really didn't Yeah,
(38:04):
but but I mean they we all make mistakes. Maybe
they maybe the people who made it or sorry they
put that into but it's who we were. So and
I loved as I sort of woke up a little
bit during the day, you know, I got to talk
to Joinie Mitchell and and Neil Young and people who
(38:25):
who I love, and then meet other people. When I
watch the video, like this year, it's a whole different perspective,
isn't it, Like and it can and then like I
just it was sweet. It was just super sweet, you know.
And then if you watch the American one that has
a whole different vibe too, depends on the director, the editor.
(38:49):
But yeah, but all in all, it's sweet because it's
all it's all us, and you know, we think we
are like whatever.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
Yeah, I would be absolutely destroyed by people that I
used to I used to work for CF and Y,
So a lot of the people that I'm still good
friends with are obviously maybe a bit dark music and
dark film fans and what have you, And they would
absolutely slay me if they knew that I did not
(39:19):
ask you anything about the Crow. Yeah, if just how
you managed to get involved with that project, is there
anything you could tell us about?
Speaker 6 (39:29):
It? Probably came through Reprise Warner Reprise, because all of
a sudden, you know, someone wanted me, Graham Ravelle, who's
a notorious songwriter for film. He wanted me to come
in to sing it and write the words. And it
came through. Yeah, just like Big Hollywood sent me a
(39:52):
rough cut. I didn't like it. Then I watched it
again and then I said, Okay, I could do it.
And then I went to Hollywood, to LA, to this
very strange suburb of new homes and sort of days
looking people and like fake neighborhood things, and you know kids.
Everything was like I would say, not nourishing, like disconnect.
(40:16):
It's like a bit of like, is this really what
life is supposed to be? Like Yeah, so that's always
useful to be learning and seeing and things like that.
And then I wrote, wrote he wanted the course to
be it won't rain all the time, we can't rain
all the time from the film fair enough, But I
(40:38):
couldn't get that out of my mouth, so I changed
it to it won't rain all the time. It's very
different it can't rain all the time, that it won't
rain all the time. But so yeah, I just got
swept into it with the usual you know, record company thing,
which is also what happened with Katie Lang. You know,
they said, oh, let's put two people together. They'll together,
(40:59):
they'll make it thing special. Who could we get to
blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
That wasn't getting Katie Lang. Wasn't your idea? No oh wow,
No okay.
Speaker 12 (41:10):
Because you because you you you do edit on Calling
All Angels and then you do edit a game with
let Me be Your Living Statue, which I so gorgeous.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
Thank you. You two work together so well.
Speaker 6 (41:28):
That doesn't have anything to do with who thought of
it though, But yes, I think it was the hand
of the greater involved. But lots of bubbles to pop,
you know. We don't want to fool ourselves, right, We
want to see true and then beyond that there's always
depth and mystery. But no, it wasn't like oh I
must sing with Katie Lang. But it ended up being
(41:49):
a beautiful thing.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
Yes, absolutely, between the two of us.
Speaker 6 (41:55):
Somehow it was an alchemy that was valuable of value. Yeah, so.
Speaker 4 (42:02):
What how why do you feel that your two voices
work so well together?
Speaker 6 (42:10):
Why do you think it?
Speaker 7 (42:15):
It's like, uh, I think that there, I think that.
Speaker 4 (42:21):
I think that just like you would never feel. It's
I think it's a textural thing in my ears.
Speaker 6 (42:29):
You know.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
It's just like.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
I don't I don't know how you decide who's whose harmonies,
who does what harmony? Like when you two work together,
obviously you're you're you, you two know what you're doing musically.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
I don't know. I don't know how you decide that it.
Speaker 6 (42:49):
Was Katie Laning. She just came in with these lines,
you know, and I just kind saying with her. A
lot of it was her creatively, you know, we said, okay,
let's break down this course and you're seeing you seeing it,
but her lines, she just did it.
Speaker 4 (43:07):
So you're talking about are you talking about calling all
angels or a living statue?
Speaker 1 (43:10):
Right?
Speaker 6 (43:11):
Calling all angels? And then living statue was probably the
same thing. She's just a full on musician. And I
think the blending is to a certain degree, like we
all carry our soul on our human voice to a
certain extent, and I think we might perhaps be sisters
(43:32):
in a way like spiritually. So there was a blending
of spiritual energy that is the texture that you said,
work together, you know, and her like when I would
solo her tracks, it would shock me and I'd feel,
you know, like, oh, there's the real thing. I'm not
a real singer. I know I'm not a real singer.
(43:52):
I know that, but she's a real singer. And it
would shock me when I'd solo her tracks and say,
oh my god, everyone in the studio would go, what
is happening here? With her voice. I think it's somehow
her soul is more apparent on her voice.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
Yeah, oh wow.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
I uh.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
I could listen to your talk for hours so.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
That it would be, but it would be, it would be,
But your time.
Speaker 6 (44:22):
Is fine changing stories and stuff and then you keep
you interested and I'd get sued for scandal.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
And yeah, oh, dear, thank you so much for joining
us today. Jane.
Speaker 6 (44:38):
It's been what you're doing. I think it's wonderful. And
and what you said about nurishing yourself through the pandemic,
it's so true about what you're doing. So I wish
you all the best. And you both seem very honest
and real and can't do better than that, you know.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
Thank you, Jane. You're just you. Oh you are just awesome.
That's so really. I there's a million, you know, wonderful,
you know, descriptives that I can give about you, but
you're just like you're just You're a national treasure. You're awesome,
and you just we just can't thank you enough for
for your We can't thank you enough for the music
(45:14):
and the memory of that.
Speaker 6 (45:15):
I hope you really enjoy the new music.
Speaker 4 (45:17):
I'm really Yeah, well I'm sure I will. I'm sure
I will. Just speaking for myself me too, but but yeah,
as I said before, uh, Jane, everybody out there. Jane
is touring all over like all over North America throughout
November and the the very beginning of December, you can
(45:40):
go to Janesibbery dot com to check for tour dates
she's got, like she's hitting Winnipeg, Saskatoon, Calgary, Edmonton, Duncan,
n Naimo, Courtney, Victoria, Vancouver.
Speaker 3 (45:50):
Chilli Whack.
Speaker 4 (45:53):
And then and then Toronto and her last, her last
Canadian date on this website so far is Ottawa.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
But but yeah.
Speaker 6 (46:03):
Yeah, I'm not going to Newfoundland, which is one of
my favorite places on the planet. But yeah, but so
it's a it's a compartmentalized Canadian tour. I'm not fa
I just want to say that. But I only meant
to do it to raise some money to finish the recording,
and now it's become sort of a big deal. And
I put in as many dates as I could, so
(46:23):
I'm playing almost every night. And I don't know if
that was a good idea, but I look forward to
getting out on the world stage and feeling people. I
really do. And I didn't want to go for too
long because I have a beautiful rescue dog and I,
you know, we're I didn't want to make him insecure.
Speaker 3 (46:42):
So there's can ask Can I ask what type of dog?
Speaker 6 (46:46):
He's a Jindo Akida Mix's okay. He's from Korea and
came over with an agency and I just lucked out.
He was like six or so. He's so peaceful and
he had to work off a lot of trauma at first,
had walk nightmares for a long time. But he's processed beautifully.
(47:06):
All these things came out and now it's Oh, it's
I just I'm so lucky.
Speaker 3 (47:13):
Good for you, So ken, let let me so I
wanted to after this interview. I wanted to.
Speaker 4 (47:22):
I had planned to play the song moreag Oh that
was on Ulysses Purse and Angels Bend Closer, and just
because like I just felt like that song kind of
makes me well up. Do you have anything that you
want to tell us about to create the creative process
(47:44):
in writing that song.
Speaker 3 (47:46):
And where it comes from.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
I do.
Speaker 6 (47:49):
First of all, the Ulyssie's first version is better because
I used the basis for it were bells from Saint
Paul's Cathedral in England. This wind came up. I was
there with my dog Guillem, and the bells started ringing
and my hair and my skirt blew up. I wasn't
wearing a skirt. But don't tell anything.
Speaker 3 (48:10):
Storytelling you just told everybody.
Speaker 6 (48:15):
Imagine what like. Yeah, so that was key, and they
left that the bells out of the the Angel's been
closer version, so that rhythm and those sounds became part
of it. And honestly, part of it came from when
I my first of three dogs, I was told he
didn't have a great will to live because he was
(48:36):
very sick, and so she did just tell him about,
you know, what will happen if he does live. So
I would say, oh, and in the fall, you'll see
this and that, and the leaves will and they'll have
a different smell. And I went through all the seasons.
So in a way, that was a bit of a
template for me telling a young person, you know, all
amazing things are going to see and feel in here.
(49:01):
And it's a song I wish i'd heard when I
was younger. Absolutely, I mean some greater view of the world,
you know, So that song means a lot to me
and I live where all the moss and liking is
that I mentioned in the song up in northern Canada.
How I am so lucky, I don't know, but yeah,
(49:22):
so I'm surrounded by beautiful, microscopic things.
Speaker 4 (49:26):
As a microbiologist would be yeah, absolutely, I don't.
Speaker 6 (49:31):
Really believe in germs, so I don't know how that goes.
Speaker 1 (49:37):
Oh wow, Nibery, thank you, thank you, thank you so
much for hanging out with us today on Canadian as
Heck episode one oh one, and uh, we just really
appreciate your time and again thanks for the music and
the memories. Have a great day, all the best.
Speaker 3 (49:53):
Thanks a lot much.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
You should.
Speaker 3 (49:57):
Yeah, I was.
Speaker 4 (50:01):
Yeah that I'm gonna We're going to play that song
that Jane was talking about at the end of the interview,
which was which came to be when she was outside
the Saint Paul's Cathedral in London, England with her dog
and uh nice and it comes from her twenty sixteen
album Ulysses Purse.
Speaker 3 (50:20):
I'm so I until we spoke to until Craig and
I spoke.
Speaker 4 (50:24):
To her today, I wasn't sure if this was advice
to a child, if this was advice from her mother
to her or something else. It also there is a
cellist named Morag Northey who holds Sibbery as one of
her her heroes, so I was thinking maybe this is
advice to her. At any rate, it turns out it
(50:48):
was inspired by her ailing dog. So this is moragg
by Jane Sibbery on Canadian as Heck on Revolution Radio, Cannon.
Speaker 3 (50:58):
Don't make me cry. You gonna cry, You're gonna cry.
Speaker 1 (51:02):
I'm a dog guy.
Speaker 3 (51:03):
You guys know that, dude. Well, then then take the tellers.
Take comfort in this.
Speaker 13 (51:22):
M dode die, rise from your mossy. Leave you like
(51:59):
and dreams behind. The deer have left clip trails for
you to fall, left the bad, to.
Speaker 6 (52:11):
Press the bad to the end. Today has some fans
fish for you.
Speaker 9 (52:24):
Oh time, there's a man an look on your.
Speaker 11 (52:34):
Land.
Speaker 6 (52:35):
Rose.
Speaker 3 (52:36):
Stay.
Speaker 9 (52:39):
He's a head, some stranger with lots of wistism, and
he's calm to help you on your wand.
Speaker 6 (52:57):
Oh my dar and you have so much love ahead
of you. Some days you'll feel like you can fly,
or like Hercules.
Speaker 14 (53:08):
Standing against the azure sky.
Speaker 15 (53:13):
In other days you feel like you don't have the
will to carry on, to carry out your dreams.
Speaker 6 (53:21):
You'll choke on truth and your body. You will get
sick and stay.
Speaker 8 (53:30):
But the wondrous thing is Help is everywhere, and it
comes in the strangest ways. So poetic and poignant is
affair like in springtime when people broods rise from the mouth.
Speaker 6 (53:48):
They're happy, they're.
Speaker 8 (53:49):
Laughing, they're calling for love at.
Speaker 6 (53:52):
The top of their lungs like you.
Speaker 14 (53:54):
Thought you never could, and they did instead.
Speaker 6 (53:58):
Healing is in the day.
Speaker 14 (54:02):
Life is a precious ring given to us by love
to polish and shine with.
Speaker 6 (54:08):
All wheelern with all wheat, earn.
Speaker 15 (54:13):
Perhaps forgiving others and getting on with love in ourselves
instead and.
Speaker 16 (54:19):
Shining will be the eyes of your friends.
Speaker 15 (54:22):
Holding your perfection when you can't, when you rec't, your
soul descend into the darkness on your way to the
miracle of skin.
Speaker 16 (54:35):
The gift of your sensitivity is truly a gift, though
you'll be told it's a weakness, a handki. In fact,
you'll be the sand the ocean before we see safe.
This also means, though you'll be standing in the village
square feeling nauseous and deaf, just be picking up leave
(55:01):
after all the hangings it took place there.
Speaker 14 (55:11):
When things feel desperate and insane, all beauty dune, remember
the choice.
Speaker 1 (55:18):
That always yours to make.
Speaker 11 (55:22):
In the blink of an all of the all seeing,
you can choose to change call in two diamonds with
compassion and love and greater understanding.
Speaker 1 (55:36):
Instead, And as we learn to do such things, we.
Speaker 9 (55:41):
All are hard and soul and might.
Speaker 14 (55:45):
With the intensity of single sight, we'll see things we've
never seen before.
Speaker 8 (55:54):
They say we.
Speaker 6 (55:55):
Will do they so much.
Speaker 9 (56:01):
To helps we love, which will be every living thing.
Speaker 14 (56:11):
Daney touched, the things that turn you on, that whatever
makes you dark and dull and drained to be gone,
even if people.
Speaker 6 (56:21):
Criticize and say you're wrong. This makes your life.
Speaker 8 (56:28):
It's beautiful end.
Speaker 14 (56:31):
Life that shines with your own life, a life where
you wake up every day excited.
Speaker 6 (56:39):
To be up and on your way, and that makes
your love.
Speaker 1 (56:44):
Of this world.
Speaker 6 (56:47):
Your separation has no place, is your place.
Speaker 14 (56:52):
But a sound for bells and wings and the opposite
to grace bells and twins, and the off sync to
greate bars weird off syc to Greates bells wad topsy
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