May 8, 2021 • 19 mins
Our coverage of Senedd Elections 2021
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Your local radio station, Leslie Talk Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
It's Friday, May the seventh. Welcome along to our coverage
of the Sunni elections twenty to twenty one. Joining me
in the studio today is Glenoro Jones, former MP for
Command Shaw, and our political analyst. We'll be bringing you
(00:38):
all the results as they come in, along with interviews
with the candidates involved in the election process, your.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Stories, your platform. This is Shanna he Talk Radio.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Come along. My name's Alan Ellens. This is Tellie Talk Radio.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Hello, Yes, good afternoon. Now are you.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
John new sound full of life with friend?
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Well, I'm famish shigning and I've run my double vaccination,
so I'm hoping the world might start going back to
normal quite soon.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
So topic of normal, what do you reckon about this
campaign that generally?
Speaker 3 (01:21):
First of all, well, generally, I think it's been very
an exciting and very flat. Now. I know that COVID
has per some extent affected the way people campaign, but
I know that campaigning or traditional campaigning has been allowed
work for the last two or three weeks, so there's
really no excuse for not getting the calls on the
(01:43):
knocking on door and the meetings. And I think it's been.
This might well enter the chronicles of the most boring
election campaign on records.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
You know, well, I tend to agree with you because
I walked around a fair bit not canvasing with anything
of that guy.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Hardly saw any poster.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
I think I saw one well slipped them poster and
three Adam Price posters over the whole three weeks. And yeah,
that's all. It's it's it was undy. And talking of
Adam Price, how do you think Adam performed?
Speaker 3 (02:15):
I just don't think he comes over not no personal
very personal here either person But I think this is awful.
There's a strange English work called charisma. Yeah, I mean,
and he just doesn't have it. I mean Nicola Sturgeon
has this personality, Salmon has this presence. I mean even bodies,
(02:39):
I mean every guy's body has a clown, which is
but I mean it comes over. There is there is
a persona that is a personality, and I just don't
think that Adam just doesn't have that kind of person Do.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
You think that's a bit do you think that's a
bit unfair? You know, it wasn't an election charisma, was it.
Don't you think the whole COVID thing was like a
heavy burden on us all.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Oh, I think COVID is as effect in everything. But
I repeat, I think if you're a marginal politician, if
you like could, if you like a marginal view, then
there's some extent that's made for by presidence, by personality,
by charisma. I mean the kind of thing I mean,
(03:28):
you know, Gwinver Evans was was. I got a weak
personality in anyways, but he had a charisma.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
Yes, that's true.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
He had a status that people I will remember in
the sixteenties and nobody can ever call him Gwynlo. He
was always referred to as mister President because there's the
status he had. Yeah, but I don't think Adam's got that.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
No.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
I think if I was to make a combt on Adam,
it was he didn't make much play on the independence
issue now here in Scotland. Sturgeon never fails to talk
about it, never fails to emphasize the squattish message all
the time. I don't know, do you think Adam is
(04:12):
afraid to ask you the question?
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Yes, yes, there is. It's strange. I was talking to
a friend of mine only this morning about the results,
just on a chat on the phone. Clyde Cumbriy has
consistently consistently since the days of skin Evans, since the NASE,
has consistently denied, consistently hidden from the independence issue. And
(04:41):
I am convinced for it is worth is that this
current interest in independence from Adam Price and Pride Combriy
is simply a reaction to the growth of organizations like
Yes Cumbrie. I'm convinced of that his heart isn't in it.
Clyde Cumbery is an organization. Heart isn't in it. It's
a party you consume with various different issues which had
(05:02):
got nothing to do with independence. As you rightly observed,
Nicholas Sturgeon has stuck to her guns and said this
is what we believe in good, bad or indifferent. And
you know, I was thinking this morning of the number
of people who stood for Gullard, for propel as independents
who are former members of ply Co Emry. The one
(05:23):
who stands out to my astonishment you probably know this
the the Glard candidate for Police Commissioner in Southwales. Nysquent
Is Clayton Jones now Clayton Jones was a leading counselor
and in ply co Emery, a very committed nationalist, very liked,
(05:43):
very active, very committed, and here he is standing against
ply Coomery. Now people like him as sending a message
that the party doesn't he.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Understand John the manifesto and the mantra we're hearing from
labor and plight Gamery conservatives for that man is jobs, jobs, jobs,
thousands of jobs, No unemployment, no understand no sixteen year
olds out of work. You are an expert on this
on the economy. Have they got things wrong here? Is
this just bluster in the wind? Can they deliver on
(06:14):
these promises? This a big, big ask, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
The answer to that, of course, is we can't deliver
in these promises. It's very very easy to say we're
going to conjure up this number of jobs here, there
and everywhere. But these things simply don't happen overnight. And
you know, it's interesting to learn the lessons of history.
The best lesson of history perhaps is the Marshall Plan
in Europe baster the Second World War. The victors sat
(06:41):
down and thought very carefully, how do you rebuild a
shattered economy over a period of time. So I'm not
suggesting for a minute, and the economy weals as a
shatter as the European economy goes after the Second World War.
But the approach needs to be the same. And what
we've got is piecemeal ideas. We've got no one sitting
down and saying, look, where were we going to be
(07:02):
in twenty forty that's the target. Where are we going
to create jobs? And I think the thing that really
annoyed me alan about this particular election is how many
of the parties talked about the future being built on
green jobs. Though I wish somebody would tell me what
a green job is doesn't mean we all dress up
(07:23):
as Martians. Maybe. I mean, I know, perhaps we all
playing incredible health in school plays or something and we've
had this nonsense playing to the gallery, or we've create
lots of green jaws. Problem over, it's it's not as
simple as that. It needs a long term, well thought
out program to rebuild, certainly the Welsh economy and for
(07:45):
that matter, parts of England which are just as badly off.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
See the the other thing John is Buckley Gerordo Again.
The other thing is I don't think the Welsh politicians
in the center that being straight to the Welsh people
about the power. But the very limited economic powers we have.
If you look at the Welsh budget, I don't think
ten percent less less than that is involved with any
(08:11):
economic powers. Whatsoever is health, education, social care and many
other things. The powers of the Assembly in terms of
job creation is very limited. Do you agree with that?
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Stranger? That could all? I don't strange to find out
things like education feed into economics, things like planing, local
authority planing feed into economics. And I think I remember
given a talk after the nineteen ninety seven referendum, but
the powers of as the family then was. Remember that
(08:48):
the thesain Aires now is has the powers of the
Wes Development Agency quite clearly written in. It has the
powers of the Development Board for roadal wayos quite clearly
written in. It has powers able to have to access
the National Loan Fund for example, and the powers of
economic development clearly clearly and explicitly with the same and
(09:13):
clearly are the economic powers. They don't have control over
interest rates, for example, but in this age can re
interestrates not at zero? So much of the mechanisms for
driving economic growth actually do line with the same.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Use them to the end done.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Are you saying that they don't use those powers well
enough effectively enough.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Absolutely absolutely they the powers that they have are not
quite clearly not being used. It's all very well throwing
money about doing some of these jobs saving schemes of
years past, but the worst available agency, for example, had
had planning powers, building factory building powers, financial powers, the
(10:02):
developer of vote for rural Wales and even why their
powers in terms of economic development those powers exist. The staff,
it's quite a large staff actually in the economic development
you know, because I was for a short time the
advisor there, so the then minister clearly didn't like what
I was saying. Surprise, surprise. The basic problem I think
(10:23):
there's been. We've had one, two, three, three economic development
ministers who know nothing about economics. It's as crude as that.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Doctor, Doctor John Bold, thank you very much. It's been
an education as always on the economy. And we're going
to go now to listen to Leslie Gilbert. He's a
shopkeeper Internetlie and this is what he had to say.
If you want to tune in, John, it's Onnestie Online.
Dot News is a media player there. Click on the
link and you can hear us live all day covering
the election. But it's been a pleasure than problem. There
(10:58):
we go. That was doctor John Ball, an expert on
the economy. We should say.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
My calculation is Labor will have twenty five the Tories
who have nine, Picombrie will have five, although it's not
be declared. I doubt whether Blacket and Ran there will
be won by the Liberal Democrats unfortunately for Bill Blowell.
But that's how it goes to be the majority government.
(11:27):
Labor least thirty one. So their six short. People say
you can govern with just twenty nine thirty yes, one
or two people have tried it to four. Rodby Bogan
did it, but in the end they had to agree
some sort of a deal with somebody. So how does
(11:51):
Labor go from twenty five, say, to twenty nine. They
need to win some four regional seats and it can't
be done. It can be done, so the better it is.
I suspect that Labor will end up with around twenty nineteen.
And that is a surprise because everyone thought that the
(12:16):
Tories their gains in the North of Wales, Wrexham Gallon
in particular, from it south, but they did they did
Baage one. People are talking of one or two others. Then,
of course the biggest shock I suspected terms of pri
Cabrie was they aren't Wood losing. Now that was a
(12:37):
real surprise. Quite factly, plight about a disaster.
Speaker 6 (12:43):
Pretty poor.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
I wasn't going to say the Wood disasters.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
And it's wrong really, but.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
A poor result. You know, when you look at results,
people will say that the analysis will be compared with
twenty sixteen, which is.
Speaker 6 (12:57):
Fair enough the last setif and in that I think
libers up about five percent, but both Conservatives and Pricumburry
are down and the Liberal Democrats were frantly decimated.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
But when you could pare these elections with the general
election only a year and a half ago, the Tories
are down ten percent and pri Couberry are down twelve percent.
Now you've got to ask a question, how is it
that ply Coumtury did so much better in the sense
(13:30):
in the Westminster elections, but at the Senate elections, you
know the center should be their strong point, really, but
they're done worse than in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Will Adam Price survivor as a leader?
Speaker 5 (13:44):
Then given that, well you'll have questions to answer, no doubt,
you know they could end up in double figures. They
could end up with about ten maybe eleven at the
end of the day and the tour. But the Tories
I believe will be the opposition, not pri Cambrige.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
You you've always said that to reen Up your worth
might have been a better candidate for leader. Sorry, reen
up your wealth might have been a better candidate for
leader well at the.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
Time, not that I had any influence of any kind,
but all the stuff I was writing on they should
vote for readap your own and there are many reasons
for that, which we all go into them. You're a
bit an the best definition as a checker career. You know,
(14:34):
why did he finish being MP in twenty ten where
he had a safe seat? You know what it earth
went on? What his business? What did the serious trouble?
He's a charismatic guy, I'm told I don't quite see it.
But he's a good speaker, he's a good interviewer.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
But maybe he's over ambitious.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
And that just been the accusation I have heard from
any over the years. And for instance, There about a
Festival was one hundred and twenty nine pages long, unbelievable.
What on earth was it that long? For it didn't
getify your key areas. And there will be one other question,
(15:22):
of course, did you play the independence argument correctly? Yes,
he will have he will have questions.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Election.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
I'm just watching the result of Lee Waters. Testy HELLI
Mary Jones is.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
Just on now what is the majority?
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Well, well, they're just announcing now what the result is.
I'll tell you now, actor Lee Waters has been elected.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
It's probably got it's probably got up a fair bit.
It was only three hundred last time.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Yeah, I haven't seen the number, but he's been elected anyway.
Speaker 5 (16:00):
Yes, well, if the track is the same as with
the rest of Wales, the labor vote is up everywhere,
up by about five percent compared to twenty sixteen, but
just up a little bit compared to the twenty nineteen
general election. The big shot is a poor return for
tourist and a pretty poor one for Pricubrie as well.
(16:23):
But for the Live Dens. This is what's interesting. Its
historical in this way as well. It is probably the
first time, well in a long, long long time, that
there is no constituency MP for the Liberals in the
seventh or Westminster. You know, that's historically. That is hard
(16:50):
to take in because you know, the bastard of Wales
at the end of the nineteenth century the beginning of
the twentieth century. They hardly ever been out of a
picture of Eddy Eddy constituencies. But to end up in
Westminster and the Sative with no mp ms, that's that's
(17:13):
a heck of a blow.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Well, it's been a nine hour day and we're absolutely
you know, we've we've covered this. I think we've done
reasonlyly well compared to you know, well, I don't know
what else that is around. I mean the BBC have
been doing things, you know, obviously the big players have
been doing. I think we've done well. We've covered a
huge area. We've interviewed so many people. We are hoping
(17:36):
Lee Waters will call us now shortly with his uh
foreign interview after winn Internet Lee that was one of
the marginals. So Guinoro, because you're on the mobile and
Lee Waters is going to forne the mobile, I'm going
to have to say that's it for us for this
evening and very good.
Speaker 5 (17:56):
Maybe we'll do another one tomorrow when the final finals.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yeah, we can do something on the region. It's on
the final result.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
Yeah, well, but the problem will be you saying if
Labor is going to go with a loan on say
twenty nine, just short of a real majority, they will
have to form a government program that keeps tricavery happy.
You know what I mean? They or they will always be.
(18:25):
They will always be on a knife ench as to
the votes in the setting. They've got to somehow, even
though they won't be by be a coalition of they
will have to be behind the scenes agreement that Pride
in general accepts labors new government policy. Okay, well we'll
(18:46):
see it.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
We'll we'll have a look at tomorrow then, but for now,
I shall leave it there. And it's been great, a
good day, as I said, and covered an awful lot.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
So the problem, that's fine, don't worry that you.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Thanks for your help, and I'll speak to you soon.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Okay, Joel, your local radio station we aten Aslie Talk Radio.
Your local radio station, Leslie Talk Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
It's Friday, May the seventh. Welcome along to our coverage
of the Sunni elections twenty to twenty one. Joining me
in the studio today is Glenoro Jones, former MP for
Command Shaw, and our political analyst. We'll be bringing you
(00:38):
all the results as they come in, along with interviews
with the candidates involved in the election process, your.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Stories, your platform. This is Shanna he Talk Radio.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Come along. My name's Alan Ellens. This is Tellie Talk Radio.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Hello, Yes, good afternoon. Now are you.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
John new sound full of life with friend?
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Well, I'm famish shigning and I've run my double vaccination,
so I'm hoping the world might start going back to
normal quite soon.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
So topic of normal, what do you reckon about this
campaign that generally?
Speaker 3 (01:21):
First of all, well, generally, I think it's been very
an exciting and very flat. Now. I know that COVID
has per some extent affected the way people campaign, but
I know that campaigning or traditional campaigning has been allowed
work for the last two or three weeks, so there's
really no excuse for not getting the calls on the
(01:43):
knocking on door and the meetings. And I think it's been.
This might well enter the chronicles of the most boring
election campaign on records.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
You know, well, I tend to agree with you because
I walked around a fair bit not canvasing with anything
of that guy.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Hardly saw any poster.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
I think I saw one well slipped them poster and
three Adam Price posters over the whole three weeks. And yeah,
that's all. It's it's it was undy. And talking of
Adam Price, how do you think Adam performed?
Speaker 3 (02:15):
I just don't think he comes over not no personal
very personal here either person But I think this is awful.
There's a strange English work called charisma. Yeah, I mean,
and he just doesn't have it. I mean Nicola Sturgeon
has this personality, Salmon has this presence. I mean even bodies,
(02:39):
I mean every guy's body has a clown, which is
but I mean it comes over. There is there is
a persona that is a personality, and I just don't
think that Adam just doesn't have that kind of person Do.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
You think that's a bit do you think that's a
bit unfair? You know, it wasn't an election charisma, was it.
Don't you think the whole COVID thing was like a
heavy burden on us all.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Oh, I think COVID is as effect in everything. But
I repeat, I think if you're a marginal politician, if
you like could, if you like a marginal view, then
there's some extent that's made for by presidence, by personality,
by charisma. I mean the kind of thing I mean,
(03:28):
you know, Gwinver Evans was was. I got a weak
personality in anyways, but he had a charisma.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
Yes, that's true.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
He had a status that people I will remember in
the sixteenties and nobody can ever call him Gwynlo. He
was always referred to as mister President because there's the
status he had. Yeah, but I don't think Adam's got that.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
No.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
I think if I was to make a combt on Adam,
it was he didn't make much play on the independence
issue now here in Scotland. Sturgeon never fails to talk
about it, never fails to emphasize the squattish message all
the time. I don't know, do you think Adam is
(04:12):
afraid to ask you the question?
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Yes, yes, there is. It's strange. I was talking to
a friend of mine only this morning about the results,
just on a chat on the phone. Clyde Cumbriy has
consistently consistently since the days of skin Evans, since the NASE,
has consistently denied, consistently hidden from the independence issue. And
(04:41):
I am convinced for it is worth is that this
current interest in independence from Adam Price and Pride Combriy
is simply a reaction to the growth of organizations like
Yes Cumbrie. I'm convinced of that his heart isn't in it.
Clyde Cumbery is an organization. Heart isn't in it. It's
a party you consume with various different issues which had
(05:02):
got nothing to do with independence. As you rightly observed,
Nicholas Sturgeon has stuck to her guns and said this
is what we believe in good, bad or indifferent. And
you know, I was thinking this morning of the number
of people who stood for Gullard, for propel as independents
who are former members of ply Co Emry. The one
(05:23):
who stands out to my astonishment you probably know this
the the Glard candidate for Police Commissioner in Southwales. Nysquent
Is Clayton Jones now Clayton Jones was a leading counselor
and in ply co Emery, a very committed nationalist, very liked,
(05:43):
very active, very committed, and here he is standing against
ply Coomery. Now people like him as sending a message
that the party doesn't he.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Understand John the manifesto and the mantra we're hearing from
labor and plight Gamery conservatives for that man is jobs, jobs, jobs,
thousands of jobs, No unemployment, no understand no sixteen year
olds out of work. You are an expert on this
on the economy. Have they got things wrong here? Is
this just bluster in the wind? Can they deliver on
(06:14):
these promises? This a big, big ask, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
The answer to that, of course, is we can't deliver
in these promises. It's very very easy to say we're
going to conjure up this number of jobs here, there
and everywhere. But these things simply don't happen overnight. And
you know, it's interesting to learn the lessons of history.
The best lesson of history perhaps is the Marshall Plan
in Europe baster the Second World War. The victors sat
(06:41):
down and thought very carefully, how do you rebuild a
shattered economy over a period of time. So I'm not
suggesting for a minute, and the economy weals as a
shatter as the European economy goes after the Second World War.
But the approach needs to be the same. And what
we've got is piecemeal ideas. We've got no one sitting
down and saying, look, where were we going to be
(07:02):
in twenty forty that's the target. Where are we going
to create jobs? And I think the thing that really
annoyed me alan about this particular election is how many
of the parties talked about the future being built on
green jobs. Though I wish somebody would tell me what
a green job is doesn't mean we all dress up
(07:23):
as Martians. Maybe. I mean, I know, perhaps we all
playing incredible health in school plays or something and we've
had this nonsense playing to the gallery, or we've create
lots of green jaws. Problem over, it's it's not as
simple as that. It needs a long term, well thought
out program to rebuild, certainly the Welsh economy and for
(07:45):
that matter, parts of England which are just as badly off.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
See the the other thing John is Buckley Gerordo Again.
The other thing is I don't think the Welsh politicians
in the center that being straight to the Welsh people
about the power. But the very limited economic powers we have.
If you look at the Welsh budget, I don't think
ten percent less less than that is involved with any
(08:11):
economic powers. Whatsoever is health, education, social care and many
other things. The powers of the Assembly in terms of
job creation is very limited. Do you agree with that?
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Stranger? That could all? I don't strange to find out
things like education feed into economics, things like planing, local
authority planing feed into economics. And I think I remember
given a talk after the nineteen ninety seven referendum, but
the powers of as the family then was. Remember that
(08:48):
the thesain Aires now is has the powers of the
Wes Development Agency quite clearly written in. It has the
powers of the Development Board for roadal wayos quite clearly
written in. It has powers able to have to access
the National Loan Fund for example, and the powers of
economic development clearly clearly and explicitly with the same and
(09:13):
clearly are the economic powers. They don't have control over
interest rates, for example, but in this age can re
interestrates not at zero? So much of the mechanisms for
driving economic growth actually do line with the same.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Use them to the end done.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Are you saying that they don't use those powers well
enough effectively enough.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Absolutely absolutely they the powers that they have are not
quite clearly not being used. It's all very well throwing
money about doing some of these jobs saving schemes of
years past, but the worst available agency, for example, had
had planning powers, building factory building powers, financial powers, the
(10:02):
developer of vote for rural Wales and even why their
powers in terms of economic development those powers exist. The staff,
it's quite a large staff actually in the economic development
you know, because I was for a short time the
advisor there, so the then minister clearly didn't like what
I was saying. Surprise, surprise. The basic problem I think
(10:23):
there's been. We've had one, two, three, three economic development
ministers who know nothing about economics. It's as crude as that.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Doctor, Doctor John Bold, thank you very much. It's been
an education as always on the economy. And we're going
to go now to listen to Leslie Gilbert. He's a
shopkeeper Internetlie and this is what he had to say.
If you want to tune in, John, it's Onnestie Online.
Dot News is a media player there. Click on the
link and you can hear us live all day covering
the election. But it's been a pleasure than problem. There
(10:58):
we go. That was doctor John Ball, an expert on
the economy. We should say.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
My calculation is Labor will have twenty five the Tories
who have nine, Picombrie will have five, although it's not
be declared. I doubt whether Blacket and Ran there will
be won by the Liberal Democrats unfortunately for Bill Blowell.
But that's how it goes to be the majority government.
(11:27):
Labor least thirty one. So their six short. People say
you can govern with just twenty nine thirty yes, one
or two people have tried it to four. Rodby Bogan
did it, but in the end they had to agree
some sort of a deal with somebody. So how does
(11:51):
Labor go from twenty five, say, to twenty nine. They
need to win some four regional seats and it can't
be done. It can be done, so the better it is.
I suspect that Labor will end up with around twenty nineteen.
And that is a surprise because everyone thought that the
(12:16):
Tories their gains in the North of Wales, Wrexham Gallon
in particular, from it south, but they did they did
Baage one. People are talking of one or two others. Then,
of course the biggest shock I suspected terms of pri
Cabrie was they aren't Wood losing. Now that was a
(12:37):
real surprise. Quite factly, plight about a disaster.
Speaker 6 (12:43):
Pretty poor.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
I wasn't going to say the Wood disasters.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
And it's wrong really, but.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
A poor result. You know, when you look at results,
people will say that the analysis will be compared with
twenty sixteen, which is.
Speaker 6 (12:57):
Fair enough the last setif and in that I think
libers up about five percent, but both Conservatives and Pricumburry
are down and the Liberal Democrats were frantly decimated.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
But when you could pare these elections with the general
election only a year and a half ago, the Tories
are down ten percent and pri Couberry are down twelve percent.
Now you've got to ask a question, how is it
that ply Coumtury did so much better in the sense
(13:30):
in the Westminster elections, but at the Senate elections, you
know the center should be their strong point, really, but
they're done worse than in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Will Adam Price survivor as a leader?
Speaker 5 (13:44):
Then given that, well you'll have questions to answer, no doubt,
you know they could end up in double figures. They
could end up with about ten maybe eleven at the
end of the day and the tour. But the Tories
I believe will be the opposition, not pri Cambrige.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
You you've always said that to reen Up your worth
might have been a better candidate for leader. Sorry, reen
up your wealth might have been a better candidate for
leader well at the.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
Time, not that I had any influence of any kind,
but all the stuff I was writing on they should
vote for readap your own and there are many reasons
for that, which we all go into them. You're a
bit an the best definition as a checker career. You know,
(14:34):
why did he finish being MP in twenty ten where
he had a safe seat? You know what it earth
went on? What his business? What did the serious trouble?
He's a charismatic guy, I'm told I don't quite see it.
But he's a good speaker, he's a good interviewer.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
But maybe he's over ambitious.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
And that just been the accusation I have heard from
any over the years. And for instance, There about a
Festival was one hundred and twenty nine pages long, unbelievable.
What on earth was it that long? For it didn't
getify your key areas. And there will be one other question,
(15:22):
of course, did you play the independence argument correctly? Yes,
he will have he will have questions.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Election.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
I'm just watching the result of Lee Waters. Testy HELLI
Mary Jones is.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
Just on now what is the majority?
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Well, well, they're just announcing now what the result is.
I'll tell you now, actor Lee Waters has been elected.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
It's probably got it's probably got up a fair bit.
It was only three hundred last time.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Yeah, I haven't seen the number, but he's been elected anyway.
Speaker 5 (16:00):
Yes, well, if the track is the same as with
the rest of Wales, the labor vote is up everywhere,
up by about five percent compared to twenty sixteen, but
just up a little bit compared to the twenty nineteen
general election. The big shot is a poor return for
tourist and a pretty poor one for Pricubrie as well.
(16:23):
But for the Live Dens. This is what's interesting. Its
historical in this way as well. It is probably the
first time, well in a long, long long time, that
there is no constituency MP for the Liberals in the
seventh or Westminster. You know, that's historically. That is hard
(16:50):
to take in because you know, the bastard of Wales
at the end of the nineteenth century the beginning of
the twentieth century. They hardly ever been out of a
picture of Eddy Eddy constituencies. But to end up in
Westminster and the Sative with no mp ms, that's that's
(17:13):
a heck of a blow.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Well, it's been a nine hour day and we're absolutely
you know, we've we've covered this. I think we've done
reasonlyly well compared to you know, well, I don't know
what else that is around. I mean the BBC have
been doing things, you know, obviously the big players have
been doing. I think we've done well. We've covered a
huge area. We've interviewed so many people. We are hoping
(17:36):
Lee Waters will call us now shortly with his uh
foreign interview after winn Internet Lee that was one of
the marginals. So Guinoro, because you're on the mobile and
Lee Waters is going to forne the mobile, I'm going
to have to say that's it for us for this
evening and very good.
Speaker 5 (17:56):
Maybe we'll do another one tomorrow when the final finals.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yeah, we can do something on the region. It's on
the final result.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
Yeah, well, but the problem will be you saying if
Labor is going to go with a loan on say
twenty nine, just short of a real majority, they will
have to form a government program that keeps tricavery happy.
You know what I mean? They or they will always be.
(18:25):
They will always be on a knife ench as to
the votes in the setting. They've got to somehow, even
though they won't be by be a coalition of they
will have to be behind the scenes agreement that Pride
in general accepts labors new government policy. Okay, well we'll
(18:46):
see it.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
We'll we'll have a look at tomorrow then, but for now,
I shall leave it there. And it's been great, a
good day, as I said, and covered an awful lot.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
So the problem, that's fine, don't worry that you.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Thanks for your help, and I'll speak to you soon.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Okay, Joel, your local radio station we aten Aslie Talk Radio.
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