Case 328: Kirsty Jones

*** Content warnings: Sexual assault ***23-year-old Welsh backpacker Kirsty Jones had her whole life ahead of her when she set out for a two-year trip across Asia, Australia and South America. Tragically, that trip was cut short just two months in when Kirsty was found strangled to death in her room at The Aree Guesthouse in Chiang Mai, Thailand.
Thai police anticipated a quick arrest, but what followed was a media circus and bungled investigation that left the Jones family and young travellers everywhere desperate for answers.
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file on your preferred platform. From a young age, Kirsty
Jones was sure of one thing. She wanted to see

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as much of the world as possible. At fourteen, she
decided that, after finishing high school, she leave her family's
three hundred acre farm just outside the small Welsh village
of Tredeomen and to spend a year traveling around Australia.
In nineteen ninety six, eighteen year old Kirsty did just that.

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She met her travel companion through a classified ad in
her local newspaper, and off they went. While Kirsty's parents,
Sue and Glynn Jones were naturally worried, they supported their
daughter's wonder last. Kirsty was a vibrant, smart and independent
young woman who craved adventure and new experiences. They knew

(02:51):
there was no point trying to hold her back. The
gap year in Australia was transformative for Kirsty. Parents remarked
that she left Wales as a child and came home
an adult. Her rich scratched for the time being, Kirsty
spent the next couple of years at Liverpool University, completing

(03:11):
a double degree in English and Media studies, but her
next adventure was never far from her mind. While studying,
Kirsty spent her spare time working two jobs to fund
her next trip. This time, she'd set her sights on
something bigger. Kirsty planned to spend two years backpacking solo

(03:34):
through Asia, Australia, New Zealand and South America. She felt
it was something she had to get out of her system.
After that, she promised her parents she'd settle down. While
Sue and Glynn Jones had their reservations about Kirsty traveling alone,

(03:54):
they weren't as worried this time. Around twenty three year
old Kirsty was old, wiser, and more experienced than when
she'd left on her gap year, and they were proud
of her for following her dreams. They also knew she
wouldn't be alone for long. Not only did she have
plans to meet up with her best friend and boyfriend

(04:16):
along the way, but people were naturally drawn to the
confident and outgoing Kirsty, and it wouldn't be long before
she'd connect with other backpackers. Technology had also come a
long way since Kirsty's gap year travels, and this time
she'd be able to keep in touch with her family
via email and video calls. Kirsty set off for her

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trip in May two thousand. She ventured through Singapore and
Malaysia for several weeks before reaching Thailand. She'd been looking
forward to this ever since she'd first have visited the
Land of Smiles on her way home from Australia a
few years earlier. Kirsty spent some time in the hustle
and bustle of Bangkok before heading north to Chang Mai

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for a change of pace. Located seven hundred kilometers north
of Bangkok in the Thai Highlands, Chang Mai is a
favorite among backpackers who were drawn by the laid back lifestyle,
Buddhist temples, thriving nightlife, and affordability of the mountain city.
Following Thailand's economic collapse in nineteen ninety seven, westerners could

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make their money stretch a long way in Chang Mai
with as little as three British pounds, affording you an
authentic Thai meal and beer at a restaurant with a
view over the Maeping River. Sue and Glenn Jones loved
getting email updates from Kirsty. After a week in Chang Mai,
she regaled them with stories about her three day track

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in the Mecham Mountain region, where she'd rode elephants and
visited native hill tribes. Kirsty had only been gone for
two months, but already it was shaping up to be
the adventure of a lifetime. In August two thousand, Sue
and Glenn traveled to Spain with two of their friends

(06:09):
to celebrate their twenty five year wedding anniversary. On the
evening of Thursday, August ten, they were getting ready for
dinner when there was a knock at the door of
their hotel room. Their friends were standing there, looking devastated.
They told Sue and Glenn they'd just seen something shocking

(06:29):
on the news. It was around four thirty pm on

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the afternoon of Thursday August ten, two thousand, when police
scanners around Chang Meire buzzed with the grim announcement. A
cleaner at a local hostel had just entered the room
of twenty three year old Kirsty Jones, only to discover
a horrific scene. The young backpacker was lying face down

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on the bed, naked from the waist down. A sarong
was tied tightly around her neck. Police rushed to the
crime scene. A two story building called the Arie Guesthouse
and Massage School. The Erie was typical of the area.
Located on one of downtown Changmei's many narrow laneways, it

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offered backpackers and budget travelers and no frills placed to
stay at the affordable rate of around one pound a
night for a single room. Guests of the nine room
lodging could mingle in the small, shady garden and open
air bar, while the owners also ran a massage school
from the second floor. Kirsty had chosen the Arie as

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her home base during her stay in Changmi. Officers made
their way down the hallway and into her bedroom on
the first floor. It was a basic room, containing nothing
more than a rickety double bed with an old wooden
dresser and a tabletop fan. A thin mattress adorned with

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a bright floral pattern sat atop the bed, while cheap
floral curtains hung haphazardly from the window that overlooked the hallway.
By the time police entered the room, they were not
the first ones there. Tipped off by the local police scanner,
an entire television crew had already arrived and taken footage

(08:44):
and photos of the scene. While curious onlookers peered in
as police began assessing the room, they didn't stop to
seal off the crime scene, and reporters and photographers continued
to trickle in. Local journalist Pim mckamisinki was among them.

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Writing for Chang Meye publication City Life. She later recalled
that around twenty people had entered Kirsty's room before any
forensic evidence had even been collected. Some reporters rummaged through
Kirsty's clothes and toiletry bag, one of them tutting in
judgment as he held up a packet of condoms. One

(09:26):
camera operator even turned Kirsty's head from side to side
to get the shot they wanted. None of the police
officers present seemed even remotely concerned. Not only had the
crime scene been severely compromised. Another problem for the police

(09:47):
was that they couldn't find a forensic pathologist who was
available to come to the Ore guesthouse to examine Kirsty's body. Instead,
her body was eventually taken to the Chang Mei Hospital,
where an autopsy did determined that she had died from asphyxiation.
Severe internal bruising indicated she'd been violently raped. Seamen found

(10:09):
in her body gave the police the confidence that her
killer would be promptly found and brought to justice straight
off the bat police were convinced that Kirsty had been
killed by someone she knew. Her room was located inside
the guesthouse and could be padlocked from both the inside

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and outside. There were no signs of forced entry, which
led the police to believe that Kirsty might have invited
the perpetrator inside. They were also convinced the killer had
been a farung the tie word for a foreigner. Kirsty
had been sodomized, which they reasoned was a sexual act

(10:50):
that thire Man didn't engage in. The most obvious explanation
for the police was that the killer had also been
staying at the Ore guesthouse. While the cheap rates of
the hostel drew in backpackers from all over the world,
it also attracted some dubious customers. Thailand has long been

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known as a destination for those looking to escape their
lives back home, and despite the country's strict anti drug laws,
illicit drugs were readily available in Chang Mai. One French
backpacker told The Guardian, you can get almost anything you want.
The year before Kirsty Jones was murdered, the Ore guesthouse

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had been closed down for six months after one of
its guests died of a heroine overdose. Given this ill repute,
police were certain that they'd find Kirsty's killer among the
IRE's clientele. One by one, each of the guests were
taken to the city's main police station for questioning. Twenty

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seven year old Nathan Foley was an Australian backpacker who
had stopped over in Thailand on his way to visit
relatives in the UK. He'd met Kirsty at there and
the two had got chatting. Both solo travelers, Nathan was
thankful to have someone to talk to, and the pair
had explored the city together. Nathan told the police that

(12:24):
on the evening of Wednesday, August nine, the night before
Kirsty was killed, he'd gone out to dinner at a
local restaurant with Kirsty and a British backpacker named Sarah Wiggert.
Nathan claimed that he'd left Kirsty and Sarah at about
ten pm and went back to the re where he'd
taken a couple of sleeping pills and gone straight to sleep.

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Sarah Wiggert wasn't staying at the RI, but at a
different hostel nearby. Police tracked her down and brought her
in for questioning. Sarah was horrified to hear what had
happened to Kirsty. The two had met on a three
day trekking trip which had ended just two days prior,

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and they'd bonded over their shared experiences as solo female travelers.
Sarah told the police that after Nathan Foley left the
previous evening, she and Kirsty visited the night markets, which
were about a twenty five minute walk from there. They
strolled around until about eleven pm, by which point Sarah

(13:29):
had had enough of shopping and was ready to go
back to her hostel. Kirsty stayed on saying she had
some more presents she wanted to buy. Another. Long term
Mari resident Stephen Trigg told the police that at around
one am, he'd heard a commotion coming from Kirsty's room.

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It sounded like a woman was screaming, get out, get out,
leave me alone. Stephen claimed he went to investigate, but
the screaming stopped, so he went back to bed, assuming
it had been nothing more than a lover's tiff. Stephen
was a seasoned traveler who had been staying at the
are for several months. He said it was common to

(14:14):
overhear these types of arguments and they didn't usually result
in any problems. The are's tire manager, forty seven year
old Surin Chan Pranat, lived upstairs and also ran the
massage school there. A known drug dealer, he had been
arrested twice before for possession of heroine, Suran told the

(14:38):
police that he too had heard the screams coming from
Kirsty's room. Suran said he'd been in the shower at
the time and had gone downstairs to Kirsty's room with
Stephen Trigg to investigate. He pressed his ear to the
door but heard nothing. Not wanting to invade a guest's privacy.

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He went back to bed and told Stephen to do
the same. Kirsty's autopsy confirmed that she had been killed
around the same time the screams were heard coming from
her room, with Sarah Wigert being the last person to
see her alive at eleven p m. Police deduced that

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Kirsty had likely returned to the guesthouse at around midnight
and was killed within an hour of returning. They didn't
know if she had walked the twenty five minute route
home from the markets or caught a local taxi known
as a tooktook. A search of the ares manager Suren

(15:40):
Champrenet's room revealed cannabis and amphetamines, and he was placed
under arrest for possession. Suspicion that Suran could have been
involved in Kirsty's murder was raised when a postcard was
found in his room that featured a white woman tied
up in bondage, but Suran's girlfriend, Pantepa, who also lived

(16:01):
at the arree, supported Seurin's story. She said that he'd
been in their room all night except for when he
heard the noise coming from Kirsty's room and went downstairs
to see what was going on. Police were also highly
suspicious of twenty eight year old Stuart Crichton, another Australian

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man who had also been staying at the Eree for
several months. Anknown heroin user with the history of street fighting,
Stuart claimed to have no knowledge of Kirsty Jones's murder,
yet a search of his room turned up cannabis and heroine,
prompting police to also place him under arrest for possession

(16:43):
and hold him in custody. Another long term Arie resident
also proved to be a dubious figure after he claimed
to be a former Mormon elder and CIA spy who
had come to Thailand to recover from a head injury.

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While none of the questioning resulted in an arrest for
Kirsty Jones's murder, the police remained convinced that she had
known her killer. They considered the possibility that Kirsty could
have invited the perpetrator into her room, where she then
refused his sexual advances. Feeling rejected, he could have turned

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violent and launched an attack. The senior investigating officer put
forward a controversial theory when he publicly suggested that Kirsty
could have engaged in consensual sex and had been strangled
to death by accident. This comment not only deeply upset
Kirsty's already heartbroken family, but added further criticism to the investigation,

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which had been receiving widespread media attention from the moment
reporters arrived at the crime scene. This theory led suspicion
to fall on Nathan Foley, the Australian man Kirsty had
dinner with the night before she died. Not only had
they spent the most time together, but after Kirsty's body

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was found, it had taken police a few hours to
track Nathan down, leading them to wonder if he was
trying to hide. But Nathan Foley adamantly denied having anything
to do with the crime or having any romantic interest
in Kirsty. With no evidence or witnesses to suggest otherwise,
he was free to leave the station, but the prospect

(18:34):
of facing the overly zealous press was too daunting. The
phone at the police station had been ringing non stop.
Kirsty's travel buddy, Sarah Wigert, later recalled to Murder in
Paradise that while she was waiting to be interviewed, one
officer had handed her the phone and said it's for you.

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It's the press office wanting to find out what happened.
Sarah was stunned. She hadn't even given her account to
law enforcement at that point, yet they were already encouraging
her to speak to the media. Aware of the attention
the case was receiving already, Nathan Foley opted to remain

(19:17):
in police custody, where he requested protection. He, along with
all of the are's other male residents, were required to
provide DNA samples for testing while investigators waited for the results.
Immigration authorities were alerted to stop any of the suspects
from leaving the country. One investigator told the press that

(19:41):
while they didn't know exactly what happened, they were certain
one of the are guests or staff members were responsible.
Kirsty knew her killer, he stated, we are confident we
will make an arrest in seven to ten days. There

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was one resident of the Irie guesthouse who was noticeably absent.
Thirty two year old Andy Gill was a british Man
who had been living in Thailand on and off for
the past twelve years. A well known character among Chang
Mei's expat community. Andy had once been married to a
Thaire woman, and the two had a child together. Two

(20:25):
years before Kirsty's murder, Andy had taken over ownership of
the ire after its tie owner moved overseas. Curiously, when
Kirsty's body was discovered, Andy was nowhere to be found.
It took the police two days before they finally tracked
Andy gil down at a local bar. He claimed that

(20:49):
on the night of Kirsty's murder, he hadn't been at
the guest house. He'd been out with a tai friend
who could vouch for his whereabouts. But a quicker background
check on Andy revealed that he was actually in Thailand illegally,
having overstayed his visa by two years. For this offense,
he was promptly placed under arrest and given a small fine.

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With three of the are residents under arrest for offenses
unrelated to Kirsty's murder, the story quickly became a media sensation,
both in Thailand and overseas. Not only did the case
include a cast of colorful characters whose faces were splashed
across the news, but it touched on the worst fears

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of every parent whose children were off backpacking in foreign lands.
Dozens of journalists from major media outlets converged in Changmi,
speaking to anyone who was willing to talk back. In Wales,
Kirsty's family struggled to come to terms with it all.

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Her parents, Sue and Glynn, returned from their wedding anniversary
trip to Spain immediately after hearing the news. Utterly devastated,
the pair remained under sedation at their family home. Kirsty's
twenty one year old brother, Gareth, had been out driving
the tractor on the family farm when he heard the

(22:16):
news about Kirsty's murder on the radio. He told British
newspaper The Independent. I just cannot believe what has happened
at the moment. I'm just pretending Kirsty is still away
on holiday and will eventually come back. I just want
to keep on working to take my mind off what

(22:37):
has happened. I don't know what my parents will do.
My mother will not be able to cope. Kirsty's murder
put Chang Mai under the global spotlight for all the
wrong reasons. Like so much of Thailand, Chang Mei's economy
relied heavily on tourism, not just from backpackers, but from

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travelers of all ages and backgrounds. With the intense scrutiny
of the international press highlighting every misstep of the investigation
and criticizing the offensive theories shared by the police chief,
concerns were high about the negative impact the story would
have on tourism. The pressure was on for the police

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to solve the case fast. A few days into the investigation,
they got the breakthrough they'd been hoping for when the
cleaner who'd discovered Kirsty's body came forward to change her story.
The cleaner had originally claimed that she'd found Kirsty's body

(23:45):
at around four thirty on the afternoon of Thursday, August ten,
but this had been a lie. She admitted that the
discovery had actually been made at around ten thirty am,
and not by her, but by the arizoner, Andy Gill.
The cleaner told the police that Andy and the guesthouse manager,

(24:08):
Suren Champrenat had asked her to hold off making the
report for almost five hours while they dealt with some
other issues. When questioned about this allegation, Andy Gill admitted
it was true. He claimed it was late on Thursday
morning when surin Champrenat approached him to say that there

(24:30):
had been some commotion coming from Kirsty's room the night before.
Andy asked if anyone had seen Kirsty yet. Suran told
him no, adding that her room was padlocked from the outside.
According to Andy, his first thought was that Kirsty might
have gotten in a fight with someone and had run away.

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He wasn't worried that something bad might have happened to her.
He was more worried that she had run off without
paying he bill. Andy had a spare key for the padlock,
so he went and unlocked Kirsty's room, only to find
her lying face down on the bed inside. He could
tell straight away that she'd been raped, Andy claimed. He

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got out of there as quickly as he could. He
went upstairs to fetch Surin and brought him back down
to see the scene for himself. Andy's first thought was
to call the police, but he knew they'd discover he
had overstayed his visa and this would put him in
big trouble. Also, if word got out that someone had

(25:39):
died in the guest house, he knew the bad publicity
would be detrimental for his business. Instead, Andy took off
trying to get hold of someone in immigration who could
sort out a new visa for him before they alerted
the police. Surin chan Prenat supported andy story, but he

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also added something else. Suran claimed that after showing him
Cursty's body, Andy took the padlock from her door and
washed it. When he was sure any fingerprint evidence had
been destroyed, he put it back on its hinge. The
police were very interested in this detail. It not only

(26:24):
suggested that Andy had a level of knowledge about crime
scene investigations, but it also raised the question of why
he would think to destroy this evidence. It also didn't
explain why Surin Champrenat hadn't alerted the authorities if it
was so he could get rid of any illicit drugs

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he had. The discovery of cannabis and amphetamines in his
room suggested he hadn't done a very good job. Curiously,
Suran had also been the one who told the other
guests to go back to bed after hearing the commotion
coming from Kirsty's room. For the police, all of this
suspicious behavior, I had them wondering what were these two

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our quality content. Andy Gill and Suran Chan Prenett quickly
rose from persons of interest to suspects and remained in

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custody due to their respective visa and drug charges. The
results of the DNA tests were expected on Saturday, August nineteen, nine,
days in to the investigation, but when that highly anticipated
day came, the police announced there had been an unexpected
delay during an unrelated press conference, a thirty four year

(29:02):
old man named Nirrong Pajana Tamrong Pong walked into the
police station wanting to file a complaint. N Rong was
a member of the Kharan Hill tribe, an ethnic minority
in northern Thailand. He worked full time as a tour
guide and had guided the three day trek through the
Mei Chem district that Kirsty Jones had been a part

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of in the days before her death. While n Wrong
remembered Kirsty, she had been just one of his many clients,
and the two hadn't spent any one on one time
together or had any notable interactions. According to Nuong's official complaint,
He'd been walking down the road when a van suddenly

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pulled up next to him and a handful of men
jumped out. They grabbed Nirrong and threw him face first
into the back of their van, blindfolding him and forcing
him to take a sip of an unknown substance. The
next thing Narong remembered was waking up in what looked
like a cheap motel room. He was surrounded by men

(30:09):
in plain clothes who he assumed to be police officers.
The men urged Narrong to confess to Kirsty Jones's murder.
They reasoned that he was a second class citizen and
should help his country by helping to close the case,
which had already gone on too long. The men said

(30:31):
that a confession would get him a prison sentence, Refusing
to confess would result in an execution Nearrong claimed that
over several hours, the men stripped him naked, beat him,
and stood on his chest and stomach while ordering him
to confess. They plucked and burned off some of his

(30:53):
pubic hair. One of the men then ordered Nerong to
masturbate to the point of ejaculation. When he refused to
do so, the man attempted to do it for him,
only giving up when it was obvious he wasn't going
to get the desired outcome. The men allegedly told Narong
that if his DNA didn't match the sample found at

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the scene of Kirsty's murder, they would make it match.
No wrong was terrified. Still, he refused to confess, telling
himself that God would protect him as he'd done nothing wrong. Eventually,
Norong passed out, and when he came to he was

(31:37):
in a police station in the outskirts of chang Mei,
with no idea of how he got there. Without explanation,
he was free to leave no wrong. Was a member
of the Chang Mai Guide Association, a group that supports
licensed tour guides in Chang Mai. He went straight to

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the headquarters and told them what had happened. Fearing that
Nerong could be framed and used as a scapegoat, an
employee of the association encouraged him to take his story
to the media before filing a complaint with the police.
Nerrong arranged to speak to local journalist Pim M. Kamasinki,

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who had been covering the Jones case from the outset,
and Andrew Drummond, an independent British journalist living in Thailand.
Telling them about his ordeal, he pulled up his shirt,
revealing a badly bruised torso. His story was published by
the international and Thai media, prompting the Chang My Guide

(32:40):
Association to protest in the streets. The police denied having
any knowledge of the attack on Narrong Pojana Tamrong Pong.
They claimed whoever had kidnapped him had been part of
a rogue unit and said that Noong's claims would be
investigated fairly. The truth about who was behind the kidnapping

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was never revealed, but as Pim M. Kamasinki later wrote,
like many ethnic minorities in Thailand who have been used
as police and society scapegoats, Nerrong knew he was in
an extremely dangerous situation. The fact is he is lucky
to have escaped without a forced signed confession, let alone

(33:26):
his life. Regardless of who was behind the attack, no
Wrong's story added yet another source of humiliation for the
chang My police as they entered day ten of the
investigation with no arrests. When the results of the DNA
tests were finally in, police were hopeful that it would

(33:48):
put an end to the media circus once and for all,
but the results of the test were not what anyone
was expecting. The DNA found on Kirsty's body didn't match
any of the Erie guesthouse residents or its owner. It
also didn't belong to a Farong. The DNA proved without

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doubt that Kirsty's killer had been a Southeast Asian male. Regardless,
the police remained convinced that a foreigner had been involved
in the crime. They told the press that despite the
are's foreign clientele being cleared by DNA, they weren't ruling
out the possibility that one of them could have been

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complicit or acted as an accomplice in Kirsty's murder. A
fresh set of blood tests and hair samples were taken
from each of the ARE residents for a second set
of testing. Even though the ARES manager Suren Champrenet's DNA
didn't match that found on Kirsty, he became the prime suspect.

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Police attained three of his tire associates, as well as
one of his French friends, and obtained a DNA sample
from each of them. They also called for any Tooktook
drivers who may have given Kirsty a write home from
the markets on the night of her murder to come forward.
The senior investigating officer continued to come under criticism after

(35:22):
he made some bizarre comments in the press about the
extent of Kirsty's injuries, leading him to believe that her
killer had been well in doubt. He also said that
Surin Champrenet had an unusually large penis because he'd injected
it with olive oil to increase its size. Fed Up

(35:42):
by the lack of progress and the media backlash his
controversial statements were attracting, the senior investigating officer was removed
from what the international press had scathingly dubbed a shambolic investigation.
A reward of thirty thousand times bart, the equivalent of
roughly five hundred British pounds at the time, was offered

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to any one who had information that could solve the case.
While not a significant amount by UK standards, the average
monthly wage for a worker in chang Meyer was around
to eight thousand bart or one hundred and thirty pounds,
giving any locals who had information an attractive incentive to
come forward. While the police waited for the results of

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the second lot of DNA tests, they maintained that the
case wasn't a difficult one to solve and it wouldn't
be long before they detained those responsible. Meanwhile, Kirsty Jones's
body was flown back to Wales, whereover eight hundred mourners
gathered at a church near her family's farm to attend

(36:51):
her funeral. Among them were the parents of other backpackers
who had died while traveling overseas. While it was hugely
painful day for Kirsty's parents, they felt so proud of
their daughter that so many people from all walks of
life had taken the time to pay their respects to her.

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After the service, they had a family friend to read
a statement on their behalf which said, the circumstances of
Kirsty's death make coming to terms with her loss all
the more difficult, and we hope and pray for a
swift conclusion to the investigation in Thailand. Kirsty was a
wonderful daughter and we miss her terribly. But she loved

(37:34):
to travel, and she made friends all over the world.
Her zest for life and her love will always live
with us. Kirsty's murder raised hot debate over the dangers
of women traveling alone and called into question the overall
safety of Thailand as a tourist destination. British journalist Image

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and Tilden had traveled solo through Thailand at a similar
age to Kirsty and remembered the trip fondly. She wrote
an article for The Guardian arguing that Kirsty's tragic death
shouldn't deter other young women from visiting the country, stating
that while it was understandable that people would feel cautious,
this was an isolated, tragic incident and it didn't mean

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that an evil murderer was now lurking in every hostel,
preying on young women. Imagen went on to explain an
integral part of the delight of being in Southeast Asia
is that the hostels don't have alarms and infrared security systems,
nor front doors with the British standard five bolt locks.

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Travelers and locals alike are relaxed and friendly, and there
is nothing of the barely suppressed aggression that seems to
lurk in so many British cities. In fact, I feel
more threatened on my nightly walk home from the tube
in South London. Imagen said the experience of traveling alone

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was one of the best things she'd ever done, as
it gave her an enormous amount of confidence and courage.
I urge every woman to try it themselves and not
succumb to what seems essentially a misogynist hysteria, she wrote.
If a young man had been found murdered, there would
be no comment on his traveling companions or lack of them.

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Back in Chang Mai. The police were called to the
Ari guesthouse after Surin Champernat's girlfriend, Panteepa, threatened to take
her own life unless Surin was released from custody. Pantepa
had been insistent that Surin had nothing to do with
Kirsty's death. She claimed that he'd injured his back several

(39:54):
years earlier and it impacted his ability to have sex
with d sur And in jail and the erie empty
of guests and massage students, Panteepa was struggling. She already
suffered from the detrimental effects of a brain injury she'd
sustained years prior, and now she had no income and

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no partner. She wasn't even allowed to visit Surin in jail.
Her friends had also deserted her in a bid to
distance themselves from the case and the prying reporters. By
the time police arrived at the Iri, Pantepa had locked
herself in her room and was crying hysterically through the door.

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She said she couldn't take it anymore. Suddenly, all the
lights went off in the building. Police broke down the
door and found Panteepa hanging by the neck from a
nylon rope. She was released and rushed to hospital, where
she made a quick recovery. A few days later, panteae

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Peba spoke to journalist Pim Mkamasinki about the hardships she'd
faced in the wake of Kirsty's death. It would be
nice if people cared for the living as much as
they do for the dad, she said. On Thursday August
thirty one, the results of the second set of DNA

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tests were in again. There were no matches for the
first time since the investigation commenced twenty one days earlier.
The police were forced to admit that the case might
not be as easy to solve as they initially thought.
One by one, each of the aree suspects were officially

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ruled out and given their passports back, all except manager
Suren Champrenat. Even though his DNA didn't match that found
on Kirsty's body, police theorized that he could have been
complicit in the crime, perhaps working in cahoots with members
of a foreign mafia gang that had, report addedly been

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operating out of the night market. Then came another highly
controversial theory. According to the chang My police, it was
possible that whoever had raped Kirsty had purchased semen from
someone else and planted it at the scene to detract
attention from themselves. Apparently this was something they'd seen done before,

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As the chief of police explained on the documentary Murder
in Paradise, investigators tested this theory by going out and
seeing if it was possible to buy seamen. He confirmed
quote it was available. There are people that will sell sperm,
maybe a laborer or someone who needed cash fast, or

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a prostitute who had saved some from a previous client.
Rumors quickly began circulating that on the night of Kirsty's murder,
a foreign man had paid a Tooktook driver for his seamen.
The press quickly picked up on the story, and newspapers
ran wild with outrageous claims. Journalists Pim Camsinki and Andrew

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Drummond visited the professor of forensic medicine who had been
working on Kirsty's case, and asked him if the planted
seaman theory was plausible. The professor immediately dismissed the idea.
He explained that the deep penetration of the offender's DNA
confirmed without a doubt that whoever had raped Kirsty had

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also killed her. According to the professor, the evidence also
indicated that only one person had been involved in the crime,
and that person had undoubtedly been an Asian man. With
suspicions still on Suren Champrenet, five weeks into the investigation,

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he came forward with a confession. On the night of
Kirsty's murder, Suran claimed that he'd seen a light on
in her room. Through twitching curtains, he caught a glimpse
of a man's legs and face. He thought he recognized
the man, but it wasn't until Suran saw him leave
the room that he knew for sure it was the

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Arie guesthouse owner, Andy Gill. Police weren't sure what to
make of Suran's claims, as he had a reputation for
running his mouth, but it gained credibility when Suran's girlfriend,
Pantepa began supporting his story. A month into the investigation,

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Andy Gill was arrested and charged with conspiracy to rape
and murder Kirsty Jones. It was the first time such
a charge had ever been made under ty law, but
given that none of Andy's DNA was found on Kirsty's body.
Police didn't have enough everdence for an outright murder charge. Instead,

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they theorized that Andy could have acted with the Thai accomplice. Alternatively,
they considered whether Andy could have watched Kirsty have sex
with another man and then slipped into her room and
tried to make a move on her himself. When she
resisted his advances, he launched a violent attack and strangled

(45:24):
her to death. Andy Gill was transported to a prison
in Bangkok. Under Thai law, police had just sixty days
to find his alleged co conspirator. After that, they either
had to commit him to trial or let him go.

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Regardless of this looming deadline, a spokesperson for the Chang
Mai Police said, we are confident we are on the
right track. There is no mystery anymore. The stakes were
high for Andy Gill. If the charges against him proceeded

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to trial, a guilty verdict could result in a possible
death sentence. With the wheels of justice turning very slowly
into Thailand, it could mean years in one of Bangkok's
notoriously harsh prisons before the trial even went ahead. From
behind bars, Andy Gill vehemently denied having anything to do

(46:28):
with Kirsty's rape or murder, and remained steadfast that the
only reason he'd fled after finding her body was that
he panicked about his expired visa. Those who knew Andy
were shocked to discover that he had been accused of
the crime. A friend of Andy's told the prass, this

(46:49):
is unbelievable. There is no way Andy did this. This
whole investigation has been a joke. I know Andy well
and he is just not cap of doing it. As
the sixty day deadline loomed, the police failed to uncover
any physical evidence to place Andy Gill, or an alleged

(47:11):
co conspirator, at the scene of Kirsty's murder. Then, on
Thursday November thirty, twelve days before the deadline, the charges
against Andy were suddenly dropped and he was released from prison.
The acting district attorney explained that the testimony provided by
Suren Champrenet and his girlfriend Pantepa couldn't be relied on.

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But journalist Andrew Drummond had been secretly following correspondents sent
between Andy Gill and his father in the South of France.
He discovered that while Andy had been in prison. His
father had sent four payments through to Andy's ex wife
in Chang Mai, totaling fourteen thousand pounds. One fax from

(47:58):
Andy's dad to Andy his ex wife said, here is
the transmission note for the remainder of the money. Hope
it arrives soon and Andy will be out of their
clutches sometime next week. Andrew Drummond came to the conclusion
that the fourteen thousand pounds had been paid off to

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someone in the chain my court system to secure Andy
Gill's freedom, although according to Andrew this wasn't a sign
of guilt. He told the documentary Murder in Paradise, from
my experience covering foreign cases, there is a demand for
payment from one direction or another. I've seen twenty British

(48:43):
men charged with offenses against young children in the last
five years, but I've only seen one case get to court.
They've all got out and they've all paid money. They've
paid money to get off a charge they could have
been jailed for. I don't see this in the case
of Andy Gill. You can't say, well, that man's guilty

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because he's greasing palms. He's doing it because he doesn't
want to be in jail for five years on a
charge in which he's not guilty. Andy Gill admitted that
the money had been used to get the charges against
him dropped, but he claimed it had nothing to do
with him being guilty. He said he'd simply presented the

(49:28):
prosecutor with his side of the story and let him
come to his own conclusion. Given that the courts had
no evidence to uphold the charges anyway, they let Andy go.
Everything in Asia works through greasing the wheels, he explained.

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into Kirsty's murder was back to square one. As the
weeks turned into months, it looked less and less likely
that the case would be solved. Eventually, the one year
anniversary of the crime came and went with no breakthroughs.
In Wales, the Jones family tried to spend the day

(51:36):
remembering Kirsty as she was when she was still alive,
rather than focus on the tragic circumstances of her death. Still,
finding whoever was responsible remained paramount. In a public statement,
the Jones family said, one day we hoped to see
justice done for the safety of other backpackers, but most

(51:58):
importantly for curse. Someone somewhere should pay the price for
robbing us and Kirsty of what should have been a wonderful,
happy life. With no progress in the case by its
one year anniversary, investigators from Wales traveled to chang Meyer
to meet with the Thai authorities, only to be told

(52:20):
that Kirsty's case had been closed. After a quote considerable
amount of negotiation, the Attorney General agreed to reopen the
case with assistance from the Welsh Police. The original team
of Thai investigators were removed from the case and replaced
by a new group of detectives. Months later, in January

(52:43):
two thousand and two, the case was back in the
headlines after it was revealed that two witnesses had come
forward claiming that on the night of Kirsty's murder they
saw two men hanging around outside of the Aree guesthouse.
One of them was a higher ranking officer within the
tourist police force, dressed in civilian clothing. Unsubstantiated reports began

(53:09):
appearing in Thaire newspapers claiming that DNA supported the theory
that Kirsty had been killed by a Thai policeman. Some
claimed that the initial investigation had been deliberately botched to
protect the real offender, as the truth would have a
detrimental effect on the reputation of the Thai police force
and subsequently the tourism industry. At a press conference in Bangkok,

(53:36):
the Welsh detectives refused to comment on this theory, with
one remarking instead, despite the setbacks, I want to make
the point that there are some very good policemen in
Thailand who want to pursue the case properly and seem
very willing to do so. A Welsh reporter for the

(53:57):
Western Male newspaper said that it didn't matter whether or
not the killer was a policeman because quote the new
allegation muddies the waters of an investigation already tar black
with intrigue and tension. It also adds almost intolerable pressure
on the royal type police to gain a conviction at

(54:18):
any price. A number of exhibits taken from the crime
scene were flown to the United Kingdom to be examined
using the advanced technology available at the Forensic Science Service laboratory.
At this stage, the DNA sample simply proved that Kirsty's

(54:39):
killer had been a Southeast Asian mail The UK forensic
experts re examined the sarong that had been used to
strangle Kirsty and detected seamen and skin cells that allowed
them to provide a full DNA profile. At the time,
there was no centralized DNA database in Das, Thailand for

(55:00):
the authorities to test the profile against. They compared it
to the samples taken from the persons of interest in
Kirsty's case, including the tourism police officer witnessed outside there
there were no matches to any of them except one.
While tour guide Nrong Pojana Tamrongpong had been cleared from

(55:24):
the investigation, the DNA profile resembled his strongly enough to
indicate that the killer could be one of his relatives,
a member of the Karan Hill tribes. Welsh police recommended
that mass DNA screening be carried out within certain parameters
in Changmi, with the regional police declining to do so,

(55:47):
members of the press tried to track down any members
of Neong's family who could possibly fit the profile of
Kirsty's killer. This line of inquiry seemingly fizzled out. Then
in April two thousand and two, a year and a
half after Kirsty's murder, came another twist. Stories started circulating

(56:10):
in the press that two trans women had come forward
claiming that Suren champrenat the Arie guesthouse manager, had paid
them to plant seamen at the scene of the crime.
Thy investigators dismissed the claims as wild speculation, while Welsh
detective said the information was being received with caution. They

(56:33):
reiterated that the fluids found on Kirsty's body could only
have come from the person who killed her. By the
third anniversary of Kirsty's murder, her family's heartache was as
raw as ever. We will never get over losing Kirsty,
the Joneses said in a public statement. We are trying

(56:55):
to live without her and get on with our lives
as best we can. Some days this is easier said
than done. A young, beautiful, vibrant life has been lost
and she is very much missed by so many. Knowing
there is someone somewhere responsible for Kirsty's death is never

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far from our minds. Things in Thailand tend to move
incredibly slowly, so we have to be patient. We shall
never give up hope of catching her killer. This is
the very least that Kirsty deserves. Welsh detectives remained actively
involved in the case and were confident that Kirsty's killer

(57:39):
would be identified. We have a piece of the killer
and will always have that, one detective said. We have
the DNA profile of the person believed to be the offender,
and we are confident someone will match that profile and
be brought to justice. But the TEA was hindered by

(58:01):
a lack of action from the Taire Police. As the
years continued to pass without an arrest, it seemed like
the Taie authorities only acted when pressure was placed on
them by the UK Police or Foreign Office. Welsh Police
suggested several lines of inquiry that Thai investigators didn't follow

(58:21):
up on, including the mass DNA screening in Chang Mai,
as well as reinterviewing key witnesses. Given that the Taire
police remained in charge of the investigation, Welsh police felt
as though their hands were tied. In two thousand seven,
Welsh politician Roger Williams took the issue to Parliament, voicing

(58:43):
the deep frustration that Kirsty Jones's family felt at the
botched investigation and slow progress of the TAIE authorities. He stated,
the family and police do not have unrealistic expectations of
the Thai authorities. All they aresk is for a methodical
and professional investigation of what is a very detectable crime.

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I ask the Minister to use all the facilities at
the disposal of the Foreign Office to encourage the Thai
authorities not to give up on this case for the
sake of the family and the safety of young people
traveling in Thailand. Sue Jones described her family's experience of
dealing with foreign law enforcement to Wales Online. Unless you

(59:30):
are in this situation, you don't realize what it is like,
she said. You automatically think that someone will be holding
your hands, but that is not the case. You have
to work it out as you go along. It is
extremely frustrating for us because we fire questions at the
Thai authorities through the Foreign Office, and anything they don't

(59:52):
want to answer, they will just avoid. Their way of
doing things is completely different and we have to understand that,
but it is hard to be patient. The investigation seemingly
went nowhere until over a decade later in twenty eleven,

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when a mysterious video popped up on video sharing website
YouTube from an Australian retiree living in Changmi, identifying himself
only by the username mister ajp Allen. The man claimed
he knew the identity of the second man who had
been seen loitering around outside the Erie guesthouse with the

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tourist police officer on the night of Kirsty Jones's murder.
According to mister ajp Allen, it was a tire professor
who worked at Changmi University and also happened to be
the younger brother of the police officer. Speaking to the
camera in a deliberately clear and slow manner, Allen said

(01:00:56):
the Department of Special Investigations has all the details but
will not act just in case I am wrong. I
won't be taking this off the internet until the British
Embassy oversees a DNA test on this lecturer from the university.
When the Jones family were made aware of this allegation,

(01:01:17):
all they could do was hope that the professor in
question would be subject to a DNA test. Obviously, if
it is him, that will be a good thing, Sue
Jones told BBC News. If it isn't, it eliminates him
from the investigation. A detective from the Welsh Police told

(01:01:37):
Wales Online that while the YouTube video wasn't evidence itself,
it was still a viable line of inquiry and they
felt it was important to rule it out. It is
not about solving it for us. He said, it is
about solving it for the Jones family and for Kirsty.
She is the one who deserves to have the truth,

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and we will leave no stone unturned until every line
of inquiry is exhausted. When no breakthroughs came by August
twenty twelve, Sue Jones flew to Thailand ahead of the
twelve year anniversary of Kirsty's death, to announce a ten
thousand pounds reward for information that led to an arrest.

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For the first time. She also visited the Erie guesthouse
and saw the room in which her daughter was murdered.
At an emotional press conference, Sue said, I am convinced
there is someone who has information that could lead to
the arrest of the person who took away my daughter's life.

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With the passing of time, people's loyalties change and relationships end,
which may remove any previous reluctance to come forward. Something small,
which may seem irrelevant at the time, could now be
significant and add new pieces to the jigsaw that the
police already have. That same year, the DNA profile of

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Kirsty's killer was run through Thailand's national DNA database, established
in two thousand and four It contained profiles from around
eighty thousand individuals, including victims of the devastating Boxing Day
tsunami that had killed over five thousand people in Thailand.
There were no matches. In turn, Sue Jones made a

(01:03:30):
freedom of information request to the Foreign Office, seeking all
of the documents they had in relation to Kirsty's death.
She was told they couldn't release any material that could
jeopardize or hurt their relations with Thailand. While it was
their job to help any family concerned about a death overseas,

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they weren't allowed to interfere with any criminal investigations that
took place outside of the UK. In the documents they did,
many of the names had been deleted. Convinced that the
officials had consistently prioritized foreign relations over her quest for answers,

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Sue told Wales Online, I'm pretty sure somebody knows what happened.
They're probably too afraid to say anything or at somebody
in authority, but I'm ninety nine percent sure somebody knows.
In twenty fourteen, Thailand's police force was back under international

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scrutiny after British backpackers Hannah Witheridge and David Miller were
found murdered on the island of Katao. As covered in
episode two hundred and twenty of Case File, The investigation
into Hanna and David's death sparked major allegations of police
corruption and cover ups after the two prime suspects, both

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Burmese migrants, claimed police had tortured them into making false confessions.
In the years that followed, several other cases emerged involving
foreigners who died under mysterious circumstances on the island. While
most of the deaths were declared accidents or suicides by
the Thai authorities, it put the Jones family onto a

(01:05:16):
growing list of grieving families who called into question the
way Thai police handled serious crimes against tourists. For Kirsty's family,
each year that passed without a breakthrough in the case
wasn't just painful and frustrating, it was a race against
the clock. In Thailand, a twenty year statute of limitations

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exists on murder convictions. This meant that if Kirsty's case
wasn't solved within that time frame, a prosecution wouldn't be
possible even if new evidence became available. As this deadline approached,
Kirsty's family did every thing they could think of to
try and keep the TIE authorities interested in Kirsty's case.

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Despite all the hurdles they'd faced over the years, they'd
always remained positive that something good would come out of
the investigation eventually and someone would be punished for Kirsty's murder.
As Sue explained to Wales Online, you have to remain
positive because if you don't, you might as well give up.

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But that positivity became difficult to maintain as the twenty
year Statute loomed. In twenty seventeen, Welsh politician Chris Davies
asked than Prime Minister to reason May to step in
and help the Jones family. He urged, I ask the
Prime Minister to push the TAIE authorities to use recently

(01:06:52):
improved DNA techniques to bring the killer to justice, to
endeavor to provide more support for families lost loved ones abroad,
and finally to ensure that Kirsty's personal effects at last
returned back home to her parents from Thailand. The Prime

(01:07:13):
Minister offered her condolences to the Jones family, but said
it was not the place for the British government to
interfere with police investigations that take place in another country.
Kirsty's case was due to be closed on Monday, August ten,
twenty twenty. Her loved ones, as well as those who

(01:07:34):
had been following the case since the beginning, could do
little but hope that a new witness or some DNA
evidence unexpectedly came to light. Welsh television presenter Jonathan Hill
had traveled to Thailand with Sue Jones back in twenty
twelve when they announced the ten thousand pounds reward for information.

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He had been deeply impacted by the determination that Jones
family had had to see justice for their daughter. Jonathan
told ITV News be in no doubt that this case
is solvable. A targeted DNA screening of local man in
Chang Mai would probably have revealed the killer's identity, but

(01:08:18):
the case was always uncomfortable for the Thai authorities, and
no doubt there will be those who would rather be
consigned to history case closed. What is striking about the
last two decades is how Sue Jones has conducted herself
with such a dignity. She never wavered from her promise

(01:08:39):
to get justice for Kirsty. And there can be no
better demonstration of a mother's love for her daughter. Crushingly,
the twenty year statute of limitations came with none of
the answers Kirsty's family so desperately sought. Sue told BBC

(01:08:59):
News News, Kirsty has gone from our lives whilst her
killer remains at large. Had they been brought to justice,
the sadness and emptiness would remain the same, but it
may have brought us some closure. I hope we have
done her proud in trying to get justice. While Kirsty's

(01:09:24):
case may have closed without answers, she is never far
from Sue's mind, staying in contact with Kirsty's friends via
social media. It cuts Sue up inside to see them
all grow up, get married and have kids of their own.
She couldn't help but wonder what Kirsty's future would have

(01:09:44):
been like if her life hadn't been so tragically cut short.
You think would she be married now, Sue pondered to
Wales Online. Would she have kids? Would she be on
the other side of the world working or traveling. Despite
all the horrors her family had endured in the wake

(01:10:05):
of Kirsty's murder, there was one thing Sue was certain of.
When she traveled to Thailand for the first time, she
could see why Kirsty had fallen in love with the place.
It really is paradise, she told The Daily Mirror. The
people were lovely. They couldn't do enough for us. You

(01:10:26):
can't ride off an entire country because of something bad
that once happened there. The last thing Sue wanted was
for Kirsty's death to deter any other young people from traveling.
Travel made Kirsty street wise, confident and ready for the
challenger's life could throw at her. She said, I'd hate

(01:10:49):
to think her death would stop anyone fulfilling their dreams
of seeing the world. It was a sentiment she'd felt
strongly about Seein's the very beginning. As Sue told the
BBC after Kirsty's body was found, she had every doubt
in the world about her daughter traveling the world on

(01:11:10):
her own. Regardless, Sue said she never would have stopped her.
It's what she wanted to do. Sue stated, she wouldn't
have been happy doing anything else. Our children are like
grains of sand. The tighter we try to hold onto them,

(01:11:30):
the faster they run.

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