October 29, 2024 • 45 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:19):
Come in welcome. I'm e. G. Marshall.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
I'm sure you will agree that almost every religion holds
that the soul is immortal and recognizes a life after death.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
However, we're going to.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Be telling you about people who believe in reincarnation, and
they have a somewhat different approach to immortality. Those who
believe in reincarnation are convinced that your soul lives on
in another person's body in a later life. Some men
and women even claim they remember bits and pieces of
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their former lives. I see, I see a gallows. It's
a hanging one. I can hear the creak of the gibbet,
and in a rattle of chambers, I hear them plainly.
There are people watching, people dress strangely, dressed in clothing
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of a different century, some of them asking and drinking.
They're enjoying watching a man hang. A man like me, me,
David Mattson, lives today. I see them and they're hanging,
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and I know I was there.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
I was there.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Our mystery drama Terror on the Heath was written especially
for the mystery theater by Murray Burnett and stars Shepherd Strudwick.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
The KCBS mystery theater, the theater of the mind. There's
always news and more on seven four KCBS.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Are you a browser, I mean a browser in a bookstore.
If you are, you will readily acknowledge that bookstores are
sectioned off with books in various classifications. One of the
largest sections has become the how to books.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
On those shelves, the reader.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Can find a book that will tell him how to
do almost anything, from painting or sewing to.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Making a harpsichord. Everything that is, except a book telling
a man how to explain to his wife that he's
leaving her.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
David Darling, I didn't know this was serious, very serious.
But whatever it is, we'll whither it. We've had quite
a few ups and downs in ten years of marriage.
We'll handle it together.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
That's just it.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
This is this is something that you will have to
handle alone.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
I don't understand.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Look, jan I don't know any other way of saying this.
I'm going to leave you.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
You mean that, don't you?
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yes, I'm sorry, all right, David? Why I can't tell you?
Speaker 4 (03:40):
You can't tell me, David, Look at me. I'm the
woman you loved, at least I think you love me
for ten years.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
You're not going to I still love you, Jane, I.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Swear, then why are you leaving?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Because because I have to have to, you won't have
a thing to worry about. I'll take care of you
and the children, just as if I were leaving you.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
I just don't believe this whole scene. It's like something
out of Alice.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
In Wonderland or at Gallan Pole.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
What I think twenty five hundred a month should cover everything, But.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
If you mean about Edgar Allan Poe.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Nothing is twenty five hundred going to.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Be using words as a smoke screen to hide the truth.
We've never done that.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
I guess there's no way a man can ever tell
a woman he's leaving.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
All I want is the reason why you're leaving.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
That's just what I can't tell you. What are you
going to tell the children?
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Isn't that your job? You're the one who's leaving. Oh David,
this isn't like you. What's happened?
Speaker 2 (04:48):
I wish you was something simple and less cruel, like
being able to say, Jen, I've fallen in love and
I want a divorce. But it isn't like that all
And what is it like a horror story?
Speaker 1 (05:09):
No?
Speaker 2 (05:09):
No, no, Secretary's going to tell me that Dave Mason's
not into me. He'll see me and he's going to
It's all right, miss Manners, I'll see miss Danson coming on.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Well, thanks?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Now, what's this business about? You're leaving Jan? All about?
Speaker 1 (05:24):
I suppose this couldn't be avoided. Why would you wanna
avoid me, your best friend?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
What is all this stuff about horror stories? Ned Gar
Allan Poe or it's just a figures? Oh sure, just
enough to make you walk away from what I know
was a good marriage.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Thanks mam.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
And you're going to tell me why you're doing it,
but only only if you give me your solemn promise
that you won't tell Jan or Cicely.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
But that's exactly I know, I know, that's exactly why
you came to find out and try to help to
tell Jan. But that's the one thing you can't do. Okay,
you have my word. I'd like you to look at
these photostatic copies and English newspapers of the eighteen fifties.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
How you kidding bread them? Hampstead Heath terror strikes again.
Vicious killer claims a victim, nine year old girl, stabbed
to death. Look, David, I don't see what these are.
But these are just more of the same police baffled
by heath knifings, Inspector Gregory of Scotland yard brands, slasher esadist.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
That's enough to give you the general idea.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Yes, it's also enough to confuse me thoroughly.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
What the devil?
Speaker 2 (06:36):
The devil? That's a good word. Ever hear a reincarnation one?
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Oh no, Now, wait a minute.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
You're not going to try to make me believe that
you are the twentieth century reincarnation of this madman. And
that should make it obvious why I must leave jan
and cannot tell her why. And you believe this on
the basis of these newspaper clippings. Not quite long, there's more, more,
much more. It was incredible to me at first when
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was first about six months ago, I read a book
by Robert Ripple, a book that was a factual account
of the lives of three notorious criminals of.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
The nineteenth century.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I was impressed by the writing and by the author,
an assistant curator of the nineteenth century wing of the
Museum of English History. There was one criminal in particular
that fascinated me.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
I somehow felt I knew him.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
This Hampstead Heath, Knifer right, And that was when I
had the first dream dream. Yes, I had a few
drinks with Bob Ripple before coming home and we talked
about some changes, and I dreamed I saw Hampstead Heath
quite clearly. It's really a forest, you know. And then
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along a walk outside the forest, I saw a woman's figure.
I ran after her, and she turned to face me
with her hands outstretched, not to welcome me, long to
ward me off. And when I saw a face and
streaming blood, blood from knife slashes, and then.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
And then I woke up.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
All right, all right, so you had a nightmare. That
doesn't prove.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
That was only the first.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
They began to come more and more frequently, and in
greater and more monstrous de tale with women and young
girls and blood, and I don't want to open it up. Well,
all right, all right, I'll grant you it's pretty rough, David, but.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Still, okay, come on around behind my desk. What do
you see in the drawer? A knife?
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Not just any knife long, that's a switch blade with
a spring, lethal and illegal.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Okay, When did you get it? And why?
Speaker 2 (08:46):
I don't remember buying it, and I have no idea
of how it got there, but I distinctly remember the
first time I saw it there. It was a day
after I had my face slept by a girl I'd
never seen in my.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Life and been called a murderer.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
What I was coming back from a lunch with Bob Ripple,
the author of the book that Opened the floodgates, a
rather attractive girl in her early twenties approached us. I
don't know exactly how it happened, but suddenly we found
ourselves face to face and started to indulge in that
ridiculous walls of both stepping the same way to get
out of each other's well.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Oh, I know, I know.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Suddenly she looked full at me and hissed murderer and
fainted right there on the sidewalk. Well, she she was sick,
That was what Bob Ripple kept telling me as he
hustled me away.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
But why why would she call me a murderer?
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Well, I don't know. She's the one with problems. There's
nothing wrong with you, ln Do you think it's possible
but that maybe this girl was the reincarnation of one
of this killer's victims, and she recognized me as this killer. Oh, no,
I don't think it's possible, but obviously you do. It
was the next day that I saw the knife and
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my dass, look, Dave, look, you're in a state. How
would you like to see a face? Lone, my face,
my face on the picture of a nineteenth century killer.
What come with me and I'll show it.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
To you.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
Long.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
This is Robert Ripple, assistant curator of the nineteenth Century
wing of this museum.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Ah, nice meeting you, pleasure, Bob.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
And I waited the room with the photographic exhibits. Would
you fill on in glad you This particular exhibit started
because of my interest in the three notorious criminals of
the era. Naturally, I collected all the newspaper clipping, stories, drawings,
and photographs I could find and placed them in the
room along with other items that I drew them into
the collection. I hear, I exhibited the de Garret types
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of some of the fabulous characters of the period along
with the criminals, and heal, on, take a look at
this to Garrett type and tell me what you think. Uh,
let me see, well, good looking guy, nice face. And
if you want me to say he looks like you,
I'll say it. There's a great resemblance. All right, Who
is he?
Speaker 1 (11:05):
You tell him?
Speaker 2 (11:07):
That man is Charles Mason, otherwise known as the Terror
of Hampstead Teeth, the killer who was hanged at Tyburn
December ninth, eighteen forty one. I can remember, I can
almost hear days it. Let him go back, Let him remember,
you can hurt him if you try to bring him back. Now,
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I can hear the wind and the creak of the gibbet,
and the chains, and the people, the people shaving their
eyes against the cool sun, looking up to see what
kind of monster was suspended in air, paying with his
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life the slashed and bleeding bodies of the women he
had mutilated.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Good lord, have you seen him like this before?
Speaker 6 (12:00):
Only once? What do you do if it follows the
pattern of the other time. He'll come out of it soon,
he's coming around.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
I guess I made a pool of myself.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
You couldn't help it, Dave, well on, what do you think? Well?
Speaker 2 (12:22):
I uh, uh self hypnosis? What self hypnosis? You read
Ripple's book. It impressed you. You you became involved. In
the several hours you were here, you saw that daghea
type that resembles you and now you've hypnotized yourself into
believing that you're a reincarnation of a murderous madman. I
don't blame you for not wanting to believe I'm the
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reincarnation of a killer like Charles May' Look what just
happened was frightening, but not necessarily any proof that you're right.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
H Uh, mister Ripple.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Did you write about the hanging of Charles Mason?
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Certainly, And there was nothing Dave said that he couldn't
have gotten from reading your books, that's right, or some
of the other books I showed him. There have been
many graphic descriptions of the hangings of Tyburn.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Ah. Well, there you are, Dave. I wish you were right, Dave.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Yes, I thought of something that might just solve your
friend's problem.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
All right, let's hear it.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
One of the most horrible Amazon's crimes was the murder
of a young lady named Letty.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Lagroux in eighteen thirty seven.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Her nude corpse was found on Hampstead Teeth horribly butchered.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Her clothes were never recovered. Or what are you trying
to say?
Speaker 2 (13:38):
If if Dave could remember what clothes Letty Lagroux was wearing.
But how can we check out whether I'm telling the truth.
I can give some kind of a description, but you
just said nobody ever.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
You'll have to trust me, Dave. I believe there might
be a clue if you're willing to give it a try.
Of course, we go back to the gallery. No, you
stay here, I'll go fast to the Garrett type of Mason.
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It's hard to see because there's a storm brewing. I
see the leaves browing and the trees bending. There's something else.
I figure a woman.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Oh please, I mustn't slip afore and he's following me.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
I know he's following your dead God.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
I say something growing a dress.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
Yes, it's a dress, alarm dress.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
The girl is holding it off. She's running.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
I have to carry gaining.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
I can see the leaves of the noise dress. What
color is the dress, David, Can you see she's gone gone?
The color of the dress? Why is it white? No?
Not white? Yellow? A yellow dress with a pale matching
scarf and a lace handkerchief.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
The hacketsif is white, but the dress is ye. There
have been some fairly convincing arguments on the side of
reincarnations There are a number of reputable people who insist
they can recall bits and portions of a life lived
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in another time. I know one young lady who vividly
recalls a light as a waitress in Jamestown during colonial days,
but I don't know of anyone who can recall being
a murderer. I'll be back shortly with that.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Two. Now back to Mistery.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Theater on New seventy four KCBS. Most people go to
museums to view the works of art. David Matson took
his best friend Lawn Henderson to a museum to prove
to Henderson that he Matson was really the reincarnation of
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a monstrous killer of the nineteenth century named Charles Mason.
He showed Lawn a deguerotype of Mason, and Lawn was
impressed by the resemblance, but he demanded more positive coof Bob.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
You said there might be some clue you could learn
something if I identified some clothes that a girl was wearing.
I did. Did you find the clue? I'm afraid we did, Dave.
Afraid that means.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
You believe that Dave is the reincarnation of Charles Mason.
I told you the clothes that Lenny le Grow wore
when she was slashed to death.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
I have never been found.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
What I didn't tell you was that some six or
seven years after her murder, a fine piece of white
cambric that at opted if they've been a lady's handkerchief,
was found on the heath, together with some yellow material.
Some historians were convinced that the handkerchief had been ladylig Rose,
and that the yellow material was part of a dress
she'd been.
Speaker 7 (17:12):
Wearing, but no one could prove it until now. Until now,
until you.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Just described a yellow dress and a white handkerchief. Hello,
mister Robert Ripple speaking.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Oh, this is missus David Matson.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
You don't know me well, the wife of the publisher.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Yes, that's right, I'd like to come and see you.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
What about my husband and the reason he left me?
Speaker 2 (17:56):
My dear missus Matson, I find this conversation was strip
you perfect stranger calling me to discuss your merital problems.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Why in the world would you believe that I would
be told to call you by whom Henderson? I can't
understand why mister Henderson preferred you to.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Me, because he's our best friend and iraction he finally
gave me your name is the one.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
He also has the information I have. That's all I
want tell mister Henderson. I find he's putting you on
to me cowardly.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Oh please, I.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Have no intention, Missus Madison, of seeing you or discussing
your husband and his actions at any time, now or
in the future.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
I must thank you, mister Ripple, for your courtesy and
showing me so much of your part of the museum.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Not at all, Missus Larson, when the curator called and
told me you were interested in becoming a patron of
the museum, because only natural we should try to show
you the sort of things in which we spend your money.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
Well, and you've impressed me very much, so if.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
You don't think me impertinent, Missus Larson, how much so?
Did you have any specific sum for a contribution in mind?
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Not precisely. I really need more information now I must
return to Boston later today. So well, I just want
to thank you for making time for me in your
busy schedule.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Pleasure.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Oh really this picture uh de gueratype, Missus Lawston.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
Whatever? Now why this man? He looks so familiar? Who
is he?
Speaker 1 (19:34):
A notorious killer man named Charles Mason, who was hanged
in eighteen forty one. Now if we could dare move
o's a moment.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Now, this vay seems a somewhat strange request, but I
would like this bagariat type.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
I beg your pardon.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
I'd like to purchase him. Or let me say, I
would make a substantial bequest to the museum if I
could have this picture.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
And why would you.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Want that particular picture, Missus Larsen, I take it no
other will do.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Well, surely I don't have to explain what you do?
Speaker 1 (20:07):
God, what what are you doing?
Speaker 2 (20:10):
What calling a guard to escort you out of the building.
Missus Matson, what why are you? And I'd advise you
not to make a fuss because if you so much
just utter another syllable, I'll call the police and have
you arrested for impersonating a donor when you had no
such intention.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Now get out of here. I honestly wait.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
I did help him, Missus match But as I told
you before, mids been on the golf course all afternoon.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
I told you to get a message to him that
it was a matter of life and death.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
We have tried, Missus Machin, I don't know why he
hasn't called rot.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Now listen, tell him I'm coming out to see him,
and he should wait there for me, no matter what happens.
That picture, that picture, it was exactly the face of David.
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I've got to find a long he's trying to avoid me.
It's too dark now for him to be out on
the golf course. Ooh ouch, well it's gravel. I should
have remembered to change my shoes. I think I'll walk
on the grass. Who's that? Is there anyone there? I
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know you're behind that bush, and I'm not in the
mood to play any stupid games. Go only I got
really nice? Oh fun?
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Oh Jan Jan? Do you realize that guy could have
killed you?
Speaker 4 (21:55):
I don't know. I I don't know why he came
at me, but I'm very glad you got there when
you did.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Well, I didn't.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
I missed catching him. Didn't you see his face? No?
Speaker 4 (22:05):
No, he came up from behind me. He he circled
around the bushes.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Ah, I see.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Do you think you should stay in this house alone?
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Well? Why not? It's my own home.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
But Chen, you're not completely wrong.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
I appreciate your concern. They'd never have let me out
of the emergency room at the hospital. If they didn't
think I was okay, No, I'm as bandage it. It
doesn't bother me at all. But you do me. Why
did you send me to Ripple?
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Oh? Jan, how much do you know about reincarnation?
Speaker 4 (22:38):
You mean the belief that your soul lives on in
someone else's body after you die. Yes, yes, well what's
all that got?
Speaker 5 (22:47):
No?
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Wait, David's involvement with Ripple's book has somehow convinced him
that the soul of this nineteenth century killer, Charles Mason,
was in his body.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
Oh that's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Yes, that's what I thought too.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
Then you believe yadise.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
After reading Ripple's book, Dave told me he felt strangely
familiar with all the events that related to Charles Mason.
He said, he felt as if he'd almost lived them.
He went to the museum to talk with Ripple about
this strange phenomenon, and then he saw the picture, and
well you saw it.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Can you deny that you.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Allowed a resemblance to convince you that David was the
reincarnation of a nineteenth century criminal. I refuse to believe that.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
There's more.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
Jack, Nothing that you can say will convince me reincarnational. Listen.
People have been arguing about whether there really is such
a thing as a soul for century.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Now listen to me.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
David looked at that picture and went into some sort
of a trance.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
He recalled actual.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Scenes and incidents from more than one hundred years ago.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
David is a bright man with a vast store of knowledge.
His subconscious must retain for his readings from hundreds of
books and manuscripts, and then, because of some quirk and
his vivid imagination, he's able to recall it.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
No, I know, I felt the way you did, and
I brought up the subject of self hypnosis. It was
then that David described the clothing of one of Mason's victims,
and that's one thing he couldn't have read or heard anywhere.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
Then you must believe that David was right to leave me.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Well, he loves you, what else could he have done?
Speaker 4 (24:32):
Trusted that love, trusted our years together, trusted the strength
that's made our marriage work, and told me the truth
and tried to work it out together.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Well, how do you go about working something like this out?
Speaker 1 (24:44):
If David really is.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
I'm not going to consider that possibility.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
You have to why because of that bandage you're wearing
on your arm, and it was somebody went after you.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
With a knife.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
I know, And why would anyone want.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
To slash you? I don't know.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
We live in a viole.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
No, no, jan No, this happened at the club. This
was no ordinary mugging.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
What are you trying to say?
Speaker 2 (25:08):
I'm look, Are you sure there wasn't anything familiar about
the man who attacked you, something that might.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Remind you of trying to make me think it was David?
Aren't you? You are trying to make me say it
was David? You think it was David, don't you?
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Jan? Look? Please, we have to get out of my house.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Well, please be reasonable, I said, and I meant.
Speaker 5 (25:31):
Her, Oh lord, Oh, I'm so glad you came now.
I apologize for my.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Behavior the other night. There was no no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
I forgive you. Jan I understand. But what do you want.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
From me now?
Speaker 4 (25:54):
To go with me? To see Jason Beckwith and tell
him everything you know about about this strange delusion of David's.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Jason Beckwith he's.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
A professor of Romance languages at the university, and he's
also a highly regarded student of the occult. I shouldn't
say student. He's an acknowledged authority.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Jan, have you seen today's paper?
Speaker 2 (26:17):
No, then you haven't read the story about the woman
who was killed in the park last night.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
Lon, I promised I wouldn't lose my temper no matter
how many ridiculous times hold it.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
It's not ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
A woman was slashed to death in Hudson Park early
this morning by a.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Man with a knife. Now that's a newspaper.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
I suppose that you don't have a sneaking suspicion that
that man with a knife might have been David.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
You bet I have.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
David is not a killer, all right?
Speaker 1 (26:41):
All right?
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Why don't you call him and ask him where he was?
Speaker 4 (26:44):
He couldn't kill anyone.
Speaker 8 (26:46):
Are you afraid to call him?
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Hello?
Speaker 4 (27:00):
David Darling?
Speaker 1 (27:02):
How are you? Jan?
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Look Dan, if you didn't get to check, I'm sorry,
but I I really have been bombed out for the
last past few days. I don't know why I'm.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Bombed whether kind of talk his guys?
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Look, Jan, I I'm not the guy in you.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
Don't you try to tell me who you are? David.
You're talking to the girl who married you.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
You just saw what you're up against but I do
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
You know, I know exactly what you believe, and I
also know it's a lot of nonsense. Oh, darling, I
want you to come home.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Lone should never have told you he betrayed me and
did you no good.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
I can't face you now. Ever, Well he hung up
on me. And what about last night?
Speaker 4 (27:59):
He couldn't remember? He well, I guess you must have
been drinking.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Bombed out was the phrase he used, which amounts to
admitting that he doesn't have an alibi for last night.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
He doesn't need an alibi. David is not a criminal.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
He thinks he is. Well.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
He's getting a lot of support from.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Some of his best friends.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
And please believe I thought it. You wanted the museum
you didn't see and hear why?
Speaker 4 (28:21):
And you haven't lived with David for ten years? You
think you can ever know David as I do?
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Well, how can I answer that?
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Don't try? Just come along with me and keep the
appointment with Professor Beckwith.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
It's not unusual for a wife to believe in her husband.
It's also not too startling to find that her husband
doesn't believe in himself. However, it's both strange and frightening
to find a wife that seems to be willing to
reach back into the past to prove her husband's innocence.
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I'll be back shortly with Act three.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
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Speaker 2 (29:12):
On New seventy four k CDs. The Power of Love
against the power of death, the power of good against evil.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Most of us like to believe.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
That good will triumph, but very few of us are
ever asked to put our beliefs to the acid test.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Janice is doing just that.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
She refuses to believe the evidence that her husband, David,
is the reincarnation of a nineteenth century killer, and she
and her husband's best friend have come to an appointment
with an expert on reincarnation and the occult remarkable hm
most interesting, in fact, one of the most remarkable stories
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I've ever heard, Professor, you can take my word for it.
I saw just what I told you. Nothing came from
my imagination, My dear Henderson, do stop calling me, professor,
and do stop being so defensive.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
I know you told me the truth.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
You don't mean you believe David is a reincarnation of
that killer.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
My dear missus Matson, Jan, my dear Jan. Before I
can answer that question, and before you panic, you have
to understand more.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
But the whole theory of reincarnation.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
That's why we're here now.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Reincarnation is part of some, but not all, Oriental religions,
the belief that the soul needs to be reborn, and
final liberation and release from this need is the highest
possible achievement.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
But why is there a need to be.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Reborn because of impurities in the soul?
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Oh or sin professor Ah, I'm sorry, mister Beckway. The
final liberation of the soul, Henderson, is possible only for
a human being who has attained purity of thought.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
And if one doesn't have this purity.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Of thought, then a new life is generated from an
old just as a new candle is lighted from.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
An old one.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
A new life. You said, that's right, completely new and
completely different, trying perhaps to rid yourself of impurities.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Possibly, well, then how do you account for the almost
total recall that Dave had for the events and crimes
connected with Charles Mason. One explanation would be that he
remembers them.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
But if David was striving for a new life, I.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Didn't say there wouldn't be traces and memories of another life.
And I believe David has surfaced these memories, but that
doesn't necessarily prove David Matton is the reincarnation of Charles Mason.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Well how else could Dave have none.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Could have experienced the things he recalled?
Speaker 1 (32:01):
I suspectator, Oh no, no way back with. I was
in the museum and you weren't.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
I saw and heard a deep emotional involvement on Dave's part.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
He was no spectator Henderson.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
You've just put your finger on the single most significant
bits of evidence in this who Storge history. In fact,
it's the cornerstone of a theory I'm beginning to form.
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Come on now, look I feel like a criminal. Now,
don't be silly, but I'm setting David up. He thinks
he's going to see me, And wait till you see
the look he gives me when you walk into his
ortic Come on, where are you going?
Speaker 4 (32:45):
You're going in the backway. If I passed the desk
the receptionist for phone David.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Oh, you know, Jan, you're really something else.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
I just hope that David.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
Let me worry about David law.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
All right, Dave.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
I'm sorry we used the backdoor, but it was my idea.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
We can Why didn't you call to tell.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
David you look awful, You look so tired. You know
you could use a vacation up at the lodge.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
We could, Jan, How I wish I could that It
was as simple as that. I'd love to go away
with you for a while, just the two of us.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
Well, we can't what I thought. I mean, we've got
some work to do.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
First, work, Yes on your head, now listen, Lon, what
is it. She's your wife and she's great, and she
has met with Professor Jason Beckweth and he's agreed to
work out an experiment.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
What kind of an experiment? Well, I think Jan.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Had better explain it since she's also going to be
part of it.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Sorry, Jan, it sounds too risky, darling.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
I've told you it's a control experiment.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Who's control?
Speaker 4 (34:00):
Yes, and Long will be there too.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
The plain truth, Jan is that I'm afraid, well, of course, and.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
You're afraid to come home, and you're afraid to see
me alone, You're afraid to face the night. Is that
the way you want to live for the rest of
your life? I may have to but don't you see
the experiment offers us a way out. I know you're
not Charles Mason in any way.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
And when you say it, you almost make me believe it.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
Well, it's true, so trust me, Oh.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
I trust you. It's me. I'm worried about. How's your arm?
Speaker 4 (34:35):
It's much better, you can see, it's out of the sling.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
The police haven't found who attacked you.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
Yet, they're working on it.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Now.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
When do you want me to arrange for this? Badly hurt?
Now it's just a surface cut. Now listen, David Darling.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
I'll be back in a moment. I'm I'm not feeling David.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
I'll be with you in a minute.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
Janny Long go after him what I don't want to
hurry David, and don't tell you if.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
I've gone down day? Why did you grab my hand on?
Why didn't you let me kill myself? Because that's no answer.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
You asked about the alternative and this is the one
that takes care of everything?
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Are you sure about that? What ore you?
Speaker 4 (35:26):
This is Jason beck quest Darling. We sent for him
after after your stupidity.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
I knew exactly what I was doing, and I knew
why then explain it to I don't have to explain anything.
You don't find it difficult to believe that the soul
of a man dead more than one hundred years has
been reborn in your body.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
It's been pretty well proven to me.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
And because you're afraid of the soul of this murderer
will force you into killing your wife or some other women,
you decided.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
To kill yourself. That's about it.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
And what happens to the immortal soul?
Speaker 1 (35:58):
What?
Speaker 2 (36:01):
What do you think will happen to that soul that
didn't die on the gallows at Tyburn in eighteen forty one?
What happens when David Matson blows his brains out? What
happens to that soul? I?
Speaker 1 (36:17):
I don't know think about it.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Does it go on to inhabit another body and continue killing?
I wouldn't know that, do you know? But I'd like
to try and find out if you'll help me and
go along with the experiment I have in mind.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
You wanna go ahead with this, Dave?
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Yes, okay, but I'm under orders to inform you that
this will be the last experiment into the past conducted
on these premises, and the Professor's briefed you on what we
hope to accomplish here tonight or not completely. I assume
it's the continuation of your trips into the past with
some additions.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Mister Ripple. Those marbles you have in that bag all right? Hm? Interesting?
Speaker 2 (37:11):
I assume they're going to play some part in the
proposed expand. Oh, they are, as will the clothing I
have in this box. He's had a knife. It is
with a sharp blade, as sharp as I could get it.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Don't you think that? I believe that.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
On the top floor of this museum there's a long,
narrow corridor which runs the length of the building.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Correct connects two rally use star rooms. I'm much for you.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
It's probably very stuffy up there is the window we
can open.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Well, yes, yes, good, With the.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Exception of Jan I suggest we all get up there quickly. Excellent,
mister Ripple. Er a corridor just as you described it.
And now the window's been opened and we're all gathered
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here ready to start.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
I thought Jan was She told me she had to
be part of the experiment. She'll be a long leader. David.
There were some things we had to keep from it.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Ripple, Is there anyway you could light this corridor better?
It's fine the way it is. Uh, I'll move down
the corridor.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Can you see this? Uh?
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Something shining a knife is quite visible to anyone with
normal eye side Professor good, now, Henderson, if you'll station
yourself about halfway down the corridor and wait there, and uh,
don't touch the marble.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Don't worry.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Never was any good at shooting marbles.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Back with where do you want me, professor?
Speaker 2 (38:51):
As we agreed, wherever you think you'd send the museum's
interest best.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
I think I'll stay near you. Fine.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Now what we have is the corridor, perfect view, and
along the corridor gleaming knife. And David, you stand on
my right, mister Ripple. That puts you on my left.
M and we all agree the corridor is quite empty. Now,
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mister Ripple, may I have the deguerotype?
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Here you are? Thanks? Now, David, look closely at this face.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
The face of a man named Charles Mason. And David,
as I drop the marbles one by one on the
stone floor, they'll start to bounce.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
And bounce, bounce, bounce back through the years.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Listen to them bouncing, bouncing on the long corridor of
time and the years. Slide by, slide by, alive with
the echoes of the past. Do you see them, David,
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I see them and hear them. I'm walking, walking along
near the top of the hill on the heath, and
I see.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
I see a single horse.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
He's silhouetted for a moment against the moon, but becomes riding, riding,
and he stops.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
In his thouse and he hides so carefully in the bush.
Bick with him. For Heaven's sake, what's happening. That's Ripple.
He's under two. He thinks he's there.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
They stand stone still, the man and the horse, the
bushes hid. A lady, A lady, she's walking. She has
a cape with a hood. I can't see her face.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
M damn the gavel, pretty lace and pretty face.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
I know. Help against sharp steel.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
No, no, it's Ripple.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
He's got the knife.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
He's down the card act Look on.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
I got him.
Speaker 4 (41:27):
I got him.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
Now I go day rolling on.
Speaker 4 (41:33):
Help say hold me.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
Robert Ripple was pure evil. He was also Charles Mason once.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
Perhaps perhaps he just saw an opportunity to destroy a
good man. When he discovered that the gratype and realized
the man in it looked exactly like you, he simply
took a name with photo and gave it a name.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
And gave me the horrors.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
But Professor, isn't there any chance of finding out who
the man in that picture really was?
Speaker 1 (42:10):
I'd like to know his real name.
Speaker 4 (42:12):
Oh, Dad, David, my darling. Let's just live in the
twentieth century. I admit it's difficult enough, but it's our
very own.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Here we are in the twentieth century. And I have
a little parlor game for you to play. Imagine yourself
is some famous character in history whom you know and admire. Okay,
now close your eyes and think hard, and imagine yourself
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alive back in those days. And as you think, you
may see some pictures in your mind that you've never
seen before. Try it. I'll be back shortly. I find
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this whole question of reincarnation fascinating, But there's an area
that's not very well covered in the books and essays
that have been written, and that is the question of
animals and their souls. Do they possess souls, and indeed,
do they return in some form as some other animal,
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or which I don't like to believe, are those of
us who sin greatly reduced to becoming animals before we
can stop trying to be reborn. Our cast included Shepherd Strudwick,
Marion Selders, William Redfield, to Lawn Clark and Chris Gambell.
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The entire production was under the direction of Hymond Brown.
Speaker 4 (44:06):
This is E. G.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
Marshall inviting you to return to our Mystery Theater for
another adventure in the macabre. Until next time, pleasant dreams, ye,
Come in welcome. I'm e. G. Marshall.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
I'm sure you will agree that almost every religion holds
that the soul is immortal and recognizes a life after death.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
However, we're going to.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Be telling you about people who believe in reincarnation, and
they have a somewhat different approach to immortality. Those who
believe in reincarnation are convinced that your soul lives on
in another person's body in a later life. Some men
and women even claim they remember bits and pieces of
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their former lives. I see, I see a gallows. It's
a hanging one. I can hear the creak of the gibbet,
and in a rattle of chambers, I hear them plainly.
There are people watching, people dress strangely, dressed in clothing
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of a different century, some of them asking and drinking.
They're enjoying watching a man hang. A man like me, me,
David Mattson, lives today. I see them and they're hanging,
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and I know I was there.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
I was there.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Our mystery drama Terror on the Heath was written especially
for the mystery theater by Murray Burnett and stars Shepherd Strudwick.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
The KCBS mystery theater, the theater of the mind. There's
always news and more on seven four KCBS.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Are you a browser, I mean a browser in a bookstore.
If you are, you will readily acknowledge that bookstores are
sectioned off with books in various classifications. One of the
largest sections has become the how to books.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
On those shelves, the reader.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Can find a book that will tell him how to
do almost anything, from painting or sewing to.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Making a harpsichord. Everything that is, except a book telling
a man how to explain to his wife that he's
leaving her.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
David Darling, I didn't know this was serious, very serious.
But whatever it is, we'll whither it. We've had quite
a few ups and downs in ten years of marriage.
We'll handle it together.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
That's just it.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
This is this is something that you will have to
handle alone.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
I don't understand.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Look, jan I don't know any other way of saying this.
I'm going to leave you.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
You mean that, don't you?
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yes, I'm sorry, all right, David? Why I can't tell you?
Speaker 4 (03:40):
You can't tell me, David, Look at me. I'm the
woman you loved, at least I think you love me
for ten years.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
You're not going to I still love you, Jane, I.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Swear, then why are you leaving?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Because because I have to have to, you won't have
a thing to worry about. I'll take care of you
and the children, just as if I were leaving you.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
I just don't believe this whole scene. It's like something
out of Alice.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
In Wonderland or at Gallan Pole.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
What I think twenty five hundred a month should cover everything, But.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
If you mean about Edgar Allan Poe.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Nothing is twenty five hundred going to.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Be using words as a smoke screen to hide the truth.
We've never done that.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
I guess there's no way a man can ever tell
a woman he's leaving.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
All I want is the reason why you're leaving.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
That's just what I can't tell you. What are you
going to tell the children?
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Isn't that your job? You're the one who's leaving. Oh David,
this isn't like you. What's happened?
Speaker 2 (04:48):
I wish you was something simple and less cruel, like
being able to say, Jen, I've fallen in love and
I want a divorce. But it isn't like that all
And what is it like a horror story?
Speaker 1 (05:09):
No?
Speaker 2 (05:09):
No, no, Secretary's going to tell me that Dave Mason's
not into me. He'll see me and he's going to
It's all right, miss Manners, I'll see miss Danson coming on.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Well, thanks?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Now, what's this business about? You're leaving Jan? All about?
Speaker 1 (05:24):
I suppose this couldn't be avoided. Why would you wanna
avoid me, your best friend?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
What is all this stuff about horror stories? Ned Gar
Allan Poe or it's just a figures? Oh sure, just
enough to make you walk away from what I know
was a good marriage.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Thanks mam.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
And you're going to tell me why you're doing it,
but only only if you give me your solemn promise
that you won't tell Jan or Cicely.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
But that's exactly I know, I know, that's exactly why
you came to find out and try to help to
tell Jan. But that's the one thing you can't do. Okay,
you have my word. I'd like you to look at
these photostatic copies and English newspapers of the eighteen fifties.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
How you kidding bread them? Hampstead Heath terror strikes again.
Vicious killer claims a victim, nine year old girl, stabbed
to death. Look, David, I don't see what these are.
But these are just more of the same police baffled
by heath knifings, Inspector Gregory of Scotland yard brands, slasher esadist.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
That's enough to give you the general idea.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Yes, it's also enough to confuse me thoroughly.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
What the devil?
Speaker 2 (06:36):
The devil? That's a good word. Ever hear a reincarnation one?
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Oh no, Now, wait a minute.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
You're not going to try to make me believe that
you are the twentieth century reincarnation of this madman. And
that should make it obvious why I must leave jan
and cannot tell her why. And you believe this on
the basis of these newspaper clippings. Not quite long, there's more, more,
much more. It was incredible to me at first when
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was first about six months ago, I read a book
by Robert Ripple, a book that was a factual account
of the lives of three notorious criminals of.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
The nineteenth century.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I was impressed by the writing and by the author,
an assistant curator of the nineteenth century wing of the
Museum of English History. There was one criminal in particular
that fascinated me.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
I somehow felt I knew him.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
This Hampstead Heath, Knifer right, And that was when I
had the first dream dream. Yes, I had a few
drinks with Bob Ripple before coming home and we talked
about some changes, and I dreamed I saw Hampstead Heath
quite clearly. It's really a forest, you know. And then
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along a walk outside the forest, I saw a woman's figure.
I ran after her, and she turned to face me
with her hands outstretched, not to welcome me, long to
ward me off. And when I saw a face and
streaming blood, blood from knife slashes, and then.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
And then I woke up.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
All right, all right, so you had a nightmare. That
doesn't prove.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
That was only the first.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
They began to come more and more frequently, and in
greater and more monstrous de tale with women and young
girls and blood, and I don't want to open it up. Well,
all right, all right, I'll grant you it's pretty rough, David, but.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Still, okay, come on around behind my desk. What do
you see in the drawer? A knife?
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Not just any knife long, that's a switch blade with
a spring, lethal and illegal.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Okay, When did you get it? And why?
Speaker 2 (08:46):
I don't remember buying it, and I have no idea
of how it got there, but I distinctly remember the
first time I saw it there. It was a day
after I had my face slept by a girl I'd
never seen in my.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Life and been called a murderer.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
What I was coming back from a lunch with Bob Ripple,
the author of the book that Opened the floodgates, a
rather attractive girl in her early twenties approached us. I
don't know exactly how it happened, but suddenly we found
ourselves face to face and started to indulge in that
ridiculous walls of both stepping the same way to get
out of each other's well.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Oh, I know, I know.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Suddenly she looked full at me and hissed murderer and
fainted right there on the sidewalk. Well, she she was sick,
That was what Bob Ripple kept telling me as he
hustled me away.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
But why why would she call me a murderer?
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Well, I don't know. She's the one with problems. There's
nothing wrong with you, ln Do you think it's possible
but that maybe this girl was the reincarnation of one
of this killer's victims, and she recognized me as this killer. Oh, no,
I don't think it's possible, but obviously you do. It
was the next day that I saw the knife and
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my dass, look, Dave, look, you're in a state. How
would you like to see a face? Lone, my face,
my face on the picture of a nineteenth century killer.
What come with me and I'll show it.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
To you.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
Long.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
This is Robert Ripple, assistant curator of the nineteenth Century
wing of this museum.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Ah, nice meeting you, pleasure, Bob.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
And I waited the room with the photographic exhibits. Would
you fill on in glad you This particular exhibit started
because of my interest in the three notorious criminals of
the era. Naturally, I collected all the newspaper clipping, stories, drawings,
and photographs I could find and placed them in the
room along with other items that I drew them into
the collection. I hear, I exhibited the de Garret types
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of some of the fabulous characters of the period along
with the criminals, and heal, on, take a look at
this to Garrett type and tell me what you think. Uh,
let me see, well, good looking guy, nice face. And
if you want me to say he looks like you,
I'll say it. There's a great resemblance. All right, Who
is he?
Speaker 1 (11:05):
You tell him?
Speaker 2 (11:07):
That man is Charles Mason, otherwise known as the Terror
of Hampstead Teeth, the killer who was hanged at Tyburn
December ninth, eighteen forty one. I can remember, I can
almost hear days it. Let him go back, Let him remember,
you can hurt him if you try to bring him back. Now,
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I can hear the wind and the creak of the gibbet,
and the chains, and the people, the people shaving their
eyes against the cool sun, looking up to see what
kind of monster was suspended in air, paying with his
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life the slashed and bleeding bodies of the women he
had mutilated.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Good lord, have you seen him like this before?
Speaker 6 (12:00):
Only once? What do you do if it follows the
pattern of the other time. He'll come out of it soon,
he's coming around.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
I guess I made a pool of myself.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
You couldn't help it, Dave, well on, what do you think? Well?
Speaker 2 (12:22):
I uh, uh self hypnosis? What self hypnosis? You read
Ripple's book. It impressed you. You you became involved. In
the several hours you were here, you saw that daghea
type that resembles you and now you've hypnotized yourself into
believing that you're a reincarnation of a murderous madman. I
don't blame you for not wanting to believe I'm the
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reincarnation of a killer like Charles May' Look what just
happened was frightening, but not necessarily any proof that you're right.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
H Uh, mister Ripple.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Did you write about the hanging of Charles Mason?
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Certainly, And there was nothing Dave said that he couldn't
have gotten from reading your books, that's right, or some
of the other books I showed him. There have been
many graphic descriptions of the hangings of Tyburn.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Ah. Well, there you are, Dave. I wish you were right, Dave.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Yes, I thought of something that might just solve your
friend's problem.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
All right, let's hear it.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
One of the most horrible Amazon's crimes was the murder
of a young lady named Letty.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Lagroux in eighteen thirty seven.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Her nude corpse was found on Hampstead Teeth horribly butchered.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Her clothes were never recovered. Or what are you trying
to say?
Speaker 2 (13:38):
If if Dave could remember what clothes Letty Lagroux was wearing.
But how can we check out whether I'm telling the truth.
I can give some kind of a description, but you
just said nobody ever.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
You'll have to trust me, Dave. I believe there might
be a clue if you're willing to give it a try.
Of course, we go back to the gallery. No, you
stay here, I'll go fast to the Garrett type of Mason.
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It's hard to see because there's a storm brewing. I
see the leaves browing and the trees bending. There's something else.
I figure a woman.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Oh please, I mustn't slip afore and he's following me.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
I know he's following your dead God.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
I say something growing a dress.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
Yes, it's a dress, alarm dress.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
The girl is holding it off. She's running.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
I have to carry gaining.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
I can see the leaves of the noise dress. What
color is the dress, David, Can you see she's gone gone?
The color of the dress? Why is it white? No?
Not white? Yellow? A yellow dress with a pale matching
scarf and a lace handkerchief.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
The hacketsif is white, but the dress is ye. There
have been some fairly convincing arguments on the side of
reincarnations There are a number of reputable people who insist
they can recall bits and portions of a life lived
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in another time. I know one young lady who vividly
recalls a light as a waitress in Jamestown during colonial days,
but I don't know of anyone who can recall being
a murderer. I'll be back shortly with that.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Two. Now back to Mistery.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Theater on New seventy four KCBS. Most people go to
museums to view the works of art. David Matson took
his best friend Lawn Henderson to a museum to prove
to Henderson that he Matson was really the reincarnation of
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a monstrous killer of the nineteenth century named Charles Mason.
He showed Lawn a deguerotype of Mason, and Lawn was
impressed by the resemblance, but he demanded more positive coof Bob.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
You said there might be some clue you could learn
something if I identified some clothes that a girl was wearing.
I did. Did you find the clue? I'm afraid we did, Dave.
Afraid that means.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
You believe that Dave is the reincarnation of Charles Mason.
I told you the clothes that Lenny le Grow wore
when she was slashed to death.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
I have never been found.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
What I didn't tell you was that some six or
seven years after her murder, a fine piece of white
cambric that at opted if they've been a lady's handkerchief,
was found on the heath, together with some yellow material.
Some historians were convinced that the handkerchief had been ladylig Rose,
and that the yellow material was part of a dress
she'd been.
Speaker 7 (17:12):
Wearing, but no one could prove it until now. Until now,
until you.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Just described a yellow dress and a white handkerchief. Hello,
mister Robert Ripple speaking.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Oh, this is missus David Matson.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
You don't know me well, the wife of the publisher.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Yes, that's right, I'd like to come and see you.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
What about my husband and the reason he left me?
Speaker 2 (17:56):
My dear missus Matson, I find this conversation was strip
you perfect stranger calling me to discuss your merital problems.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Why in the world would you believe that I would
be told to call you by whom Henderson? I can't
understand why mister Henderson preferred you to.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Me, because he's our best friend and iraction he finally
gave me your name is the one.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
He also has the information I have. That's all I
want tell mister Henderson. I find he's putting you on
to me cowardly.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Oh please, I.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Have no intention, Missus Madison, of seeing you or discussing
your husband and his actions at any time, now or
in the future.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
I must thank you, mister Ripple, for your courtesy and
showing me so much of your part of the museum.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Not at all, Missus Larson, when the curator called and
told me you were interested in becoming a patron of
the museum, because only natural we should try to show
you the sort of things in which we spend your money.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
Well, and you've impressed me very much, so if.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
You don't think me impertinent, Missus Larson, how much so?
Did you have any specific sum for a contribution in mind?
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Not precisely. I really need more information now I must
return to Boston later today. So well, I just want
to thank you for making time for me in your
busy schedule.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Pleasure.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Oh really this picture uh de gueratype, Missus Lawston.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
Whatever? Now why this man? He looks so familiar? Who
is he?
Speaker 1 (19:34):
A notorious killer man named Charles Mason, who was hanged
in eighteen forty one. Now if we could dare move
o's a moment.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Now, this vay seems a somewhat strange request, but I
would like this bagariat type.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
I beg your pardon.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
I'd like to purchase him. Or let me say, I
would make a substantial bequest to the museum if I
could have this picture.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
And why would you.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Want that particular picture, Missus Larsen, I take it no
other will do.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Well, surely I don't have to explain what you do?
Speaker 1 (20:07):
God, what what are you doing?
Speaker 2 (20:10):
What calling a guard to escort you out of the building.
Missus Matson, what why are you? And I'd advise you
not to make a fuss because if you so much
just utter another syllable, I'll call the police and have
you arrested for impersonating a donor when you had no
such intention.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Now get out of here. I honestly wait.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
I did help him, Missus match But as I told
you before, mids been on the golf course all afternoon.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
I told you to get a message to him that
it was a matter of life and death.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
We have tried, Missus Machin, I don't know why he
hasn't called rot.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Now listen, tell him I'm coming out to see him,
and he should wait there for me, no matter what happens.
That picture, that picture, it was exactly the face of David.
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I've got to find a long he's trying to avoid me.
It's too dark now for him to be out on
the golf course. Ooh ouch, well it's gravel. I should
have remembered to change my shoes. I think I'll walk
on the grass. Who's that? Is there anyone there? I
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know you're behind that bush, and I'm not in the
mood to play any stupid games. Go only I got
really nice? Oh fun?
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Oh Jan Jan? Do you realize that guy could have
killed you?
Speaker 4 (21:55):
I don't know. I I don't know why he came
at me, but I'm very glad you got there when
you did.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Well, I didn't.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
I missed catching him. Didn't you see his face? No?
Speaker 4 (22:05):
No, he came up from behind me. He he circled
around the bushes.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Ah, I see.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Do you think you should stay in this house alone?
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Well? Why not? It's my own home.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
But Chen, you're not completely wrong.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
I appreciate your concern. They'd never have let me out
of the emergency room at the hospital. If they didn't
think I was okay, No, I'm as bandage it. It
doesn't bother me at all. But you do me. Why
did you send me to Ripple?
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Oh? Jan, how much do you know about reincarnation?
Speaker 4 (22:38):
You mean the belief that your soul lives on in
someone else's body after you die. Yes, yes, well what's
all that got?
Speaker 5 (22:47):
No?
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Wait, David's involvement with Ripple's book has somehow convinced him
that the soul of this nineteenth century killer, Charles Mason,
was in his body.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
Oh that's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Yes, that's what I thought too.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
Then you believe yadise.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
After reading Ripple's book, Dave told me he felt strangely
familiar with all the events that related to Charles Mason.
He said, he felt as if he'd almost lived them.
He went to the museum to talk with Ripple about
this strange phenomenon, and then he saw the picture, and
well you saw it.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Can you deny that you.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Allowed a resemblance to convince you that David was the
reincarnation of a nineteenth century criminal. I refuse to believe that.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
There's more.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
Jack, Nothing that you can say will convince me reincarnational. Listen.
People have been arguing about whether there really is such
a thing as a soul for century.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Now listen to me.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
David looked at that picture and went into some sort
of a trance.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
He recalled actual.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Scenes and incidents from more than one hundred years ago.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
David is a bright man with a vast store of knowledge.
His subconscious must retain for his readings from hundreds of
books and manuscripts, and then, because of some quirk and
his vivid imagination, he's able to recall it.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
No, I know, I felt the way you did, and
I brought up the subject of self hypnosis. It was
then that David described the clothing of one of Mason's victims,
and that's one thing he couldn't have read or heard anywhere.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
Then you must believe that David was right to leave me.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Well, he loves you, what else could he have done?
Speaker 4 (24:32):
Trusted that love, trusted our years together, trusted the strength
that's made our marriage work, and told me the truth
and tried to work it out together.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Well, how do you go about working something like this out?
Speaker 1 (24:44):
If David really is.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
I'm not going to consider that possibility.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
You have to why because of that bandage you're wearing
on your arm, and it was somebody went after you.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
With a knife.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
I know, And why would anyone want.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
To slash you? I don't know.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
We live in a viole.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
No, no, jan No, this happened at the club. This
was no ordinary mugging.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
What are you trying to say?
Speaker 2 (25:08):
I'm look, Are you sure there wasn't anything familiar about
the man who attacked you, something that might.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Remind you of trying to make me think it was David?
Aren't you? You are trying to make me say it
was David? You think it was David, don't you?
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Jan? Look? Please, we have to get out of my house.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Well, please be reasonable, I said, and I meant.
Speaker 5 (25:31):
Her, Oh lord, Oh, I'm so glad you came now.
I apologize for my.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Behavior the other night. There was no no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
I forgive you. Jan I understand. But what do you want.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
From me now?
Speaker 4 (25:54):
To go with me? To see Jason Beckwith and tell
him everything you know about about this strange delusion of David's.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Jason Beckwith he's.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
A professor of Romance languages at the university, and he's
also a highly regarded student of the occult. I shouldn't
say student. He's an acknowledged authority.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Jan, have you seen today's paper?
Speaker 2 (26:17):
No, then you haven't read the story about the woman
who was killed in the park last night.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
Lon, I promised I wouldn't lose my temper no matter
how many ridiculous times hold it.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
It's not ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
A woman was slashed to death in Hudson Park early
this morning by a.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Man with a knife. Now that's a newspaper.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
I suppose that you don't have a sneaking suspicion that
that man with a knife might have been David.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
You bet I have.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
David is not a killer, all right?
Speaker 1 (26:41):
All right?
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Why don't you call him and ask him where he was?
Speaker 4 (26:44):
He couldn't kill anyone.
Speaker 8 (26:46):
Are you afraid to call him?
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Hello?
Speaker 4 (27:00):
David Darling?
Speaker 1 (27:02):
How are you? Jan?
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Look Dan, if you didn't get to check, I'm sorry,
but I I really have been bombed out for the
last past few days. I don't know why I'm.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Bombed whether kind of talk his guys?
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Look, Jan, I I'm not the guy in you.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
Don't you try to tell me who you are? David.
You're talking to the girl who married you.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
You just saw what you're up against but I do
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
You know, I know exactly what you believe, and I
also know it's a lot of nonsense. Oh, darling, I
want you to come home.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Lone should never have told you he betrayed me and
did you no good.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
I can't face you now. Ever, Well he hung up
on me. And what about last night?
Speaker 4 (27:59):
He couldn't remember? He well, I guess you must have
been drinking.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Bombed out was the phrase he used, which amounts to
admitting that he doesn't have an alibi for last night.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
He doesn't need an alibi. David is not a criminal.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
He thinks he is. Well.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
He's getting a lot of support from.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Some of his best friends.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
And please believe I thought it. You wanted the museum
you didn't see and hear why?
Speaker 4 (28:21):
And you haven't lived with David for ten years? You
think you can ever know David as I do?
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Well, how can I answer that?
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Don't try? Just come along with me and keep the
appointment with Professor Beckwith.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
It's not unusual for a wife to believe in her husband.
It's also not too startling to find that her husband
doesn't believe in himself. However, it's both strange and frightening
to find a wife that seems to be willing to
reach back into the past to prove her husband's innocence.
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I'll be back shortly with Act three.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
The radio station that lets you use your mind. You're
listening to mystery theaters.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
On New seventy four k CDs. The Power of Love
against the power of death, the power of good against evil.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Most of us like to believe.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
That good will triumph, but very few of us are
ever asked to put our beliefs to the acid test.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Janice is doing just that.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
She refuses to believe the evidence that her husband, David,
is the reincarnation of a nineteenth century killer, and she
and her husband's best friend have come to an appointment
with an expert on reincarnation and the occult remarkable hm
most interesting, in fact, one of the most remarkable stories
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I've ever heard, Professor, you can take my word for it.
I saw just what I told you. Nothing came from
my imagination, My dear Henderson, do stop calling me, professor,
and do stop being so defensive.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
I know you told me the truth.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
You don't mean you believe David is a reincarnation of
that killer.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
My dear missus Matson, Jan, my dear Jan. Before I
can answer that question, and before you panic, you have
to understand more.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
But the whole theory of reincarnation.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
That's why we're here now.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Reincarnation is part of some, but not all, Oriental religions,
the belief that the soul needs to be reborn, and
final liberation and release from this need is the highest
possible achievement.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
But why is there a need to be.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Reborn because of impurities in the soul?
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Oh or sin professor Ah, I'm sorry, mister Beckway. The
final liberation of the soul, Henderson, is possible only for
a human being who has attained purity of thought.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
And if one doesn't have this purity.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Of thought, then a new life is generated from an
old just as a new candle is lighted from.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
An old one.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
A new life. You said, that's right, completely new and
completely different, trying perhaps to rid yourself of impurities.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Possibly, well, then how do you account for the almost
total recall that Dave had for the events and crimes
connected with Charles Mason. One explanation would be that he
remembers them.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
But if David was striving for a new life, I.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Didn't say there wouldn't be traces and memories of another life.
And I believe David has surfaced these memories, but that
doesn't necessarily prove David Matton is the reincarnation of Charles Mason.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Well how else could Dave have none.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Could have experienced the things he recalled?
Speaker 1 (32:01):
I suspectator, Oh no, no way back with. I was
in the museum and you weren't.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
I saw and heard a deep emotional involvement on Dave's part.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
He was no spectator Henderson.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
You've just put your finger on the single most significant
bits of evidence in this who Storge history. In fact,
it's the cornerstone of a theory I'm beginning to form.
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Come on now, look I feel like a criminal. Now,
don't be silly, but I'm setting David up. He thinks
he's going to see me, And wait till you see
the look he gives me when you walk into his
ortic Come on, where are you going?
Speaker 4 (32:45):
You're going in the backway. If I passed the desk
the receptionist for phone David.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Oh, you know, Jan, you're really something else.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
I just hope that David.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
Let me worry about David law.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
All right, Dave.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
I'm sorry we used the backdoor, but it was my idea.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
We can Why didn't you call to tell.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
David you look awful, You look so tired. You know
you could use a vacation up at the lodge.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
We could, Jan, How I wish I could that It
was as simple as that. I'd love to go away
with you for a while, just the two of us.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
Well, we can't what I thought. I mean, we've got
some work to do.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
First, work, Yes on your head, now listen, Lon, what
is it. She's your wife and she's great, and she
has met with Professor Jason Beckweth and he's agreed to
work out an experiment.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
What kind of an experiment? Well, I think Jan.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Had better explain it since she's also going to be
part of it.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Sorry, Jan, it sounds too risky, darling.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
I've told you it's a control experiment.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Who's control?
Speaker 4 (34:00):
Yes, and Long will be there too.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
The plain truth, Jan is that I'm afraid, well, of course, and.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
You're afraid to come home, and you're afraid to see
me alone, You're afraid to face the night. Is that
the way you want to live for the rest of
your life? I may have to but don't you see
the experiment offers us a way out. I know you're
not Charles Mason in any way.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
And when you say it, you almost make me believe it.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
Well, it's true, so trust me, Oh.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
I trust you. It's me. I'm worried about. How's your arm?
Speaker 4 (34:35):
It's much better, you can see, it's out of the sling.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
The police haven't found who attacked you.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
Yet, they're working on it.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Now.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
When do you want me to arrange for this? Badly hurt?
Now it's just a surface cut. Now listen, David Darling.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
I'll be back in a moment. I'm I'm not feeling David.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
I'll be with you in a minute.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
Janny Long go after him what I don't want to
hurry David, and don't tell you if.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
I've gone down day? Why did you grab my hand on?
Why didn't you let me kill myself? Because that's no answer.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
You asked about the alternative and this is the one
that takes care of everything?
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Are you sure about that? What ore you?
Speaker 4 (35:26):
This is Jason beck quest Darling. We sent for him
after after your stupidity.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
I knew exactly what I was doing, and I knew
why then explain it to I don't have to explain anything.
You don't find it difficult to believe that the soul
of a man dead more than one hundred years has
been reborn in your body.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
It's been pretty well proven to me.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
And because you're afraid of the soul of this murderer
will force you into killing your wife or some other women,
you decided.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
To kill yourself. That's about it.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
And what happens to the immortal soul?
Speaker 1 (35:58):
What?
Speaker 2 (36:01):
What do you think will happen to that soul that
didn't die on the gallows at Tyburn in eighteen forty one?
What happens when David Matson blows his brains out? What
happens to that soul? I?
Speaker 1 (36:17):
I don't know think about it.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Does it go on to inhabit another body and continue killing?
I wouldn't know that, do you know? But I'd like
to try and find out if you'll help me and
go along with the experiment I have in mind.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
You wanna go ahead with this, Dave?
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Yes, okay, but I'm under orders to inform you that
this will be the last experiment into the past conducted
on these premises, and the Professor's briefed you on what we
hope to accomplish here tonight or not completely. I assume
it's the continuation of your trips into the past with
some additions.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Mister Ripple. Those marbles you have in that bag all right? Hm? Interesting?
Speaker 2 (37:11):
I assume they're going to play some part in the
proposed expand. Oh, they are, as will the clothing I
have in this box. He's had a knife. It is
with a sharp blade, as sharp as I could get it.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Don't you think that? I believe that.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
On the top floor of this museum there's a long,
narrow corridor which runs the length of the building.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Correct connects two rally use star rooms. I'm much for you.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
It's probably very stuffy up there is the window we
can open.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Well, yes, yes, good, With the.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Exception of Jan I suggest we all get up there quickly. Excellent,
mister Ripple. Er a corridor just as you described it.
And now the window's been opened and we're all gathered
(38:08):
here ready to start.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
I thought Jan was She told me she had to
be part of the experiment. She'll be a long leader. David.
There were some things we had to keep from it.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Ripple, Is there anyway you could light this corridor better?
It's fine the way it is. Uh, I'll move down
the corridor.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Can you see this? Uh?
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Something shining a knife is quite visible to anyone with
normal eye side Professor good, now, Henderson, if you'll station
yourself about halfway down the corridor and wait there, and uh,
don't touch the marble.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Don't worry.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Never was any good at shooting marbles.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Back with where do you want me, professor?
Speaker 2 (38:51):
As we agreed, wherever you think you'd send the museum's
interest best.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
I think I'll stay near you. Fine.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Now what we have is the corridor, perfect view, and
along the corridor gleaming knife. And David, you stand on
my right, mister Ripple. That puts you on my left.
M and we all agree the corridor is quite empty. Now,
(39:21):
mister Ripple, may I have the deguerotype?
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Here you are? Thanks? Now, David, look closely at this face.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
The face of a man named Charles Mason. And David,
as I drop the marbles one by one on the
stone floor, they'll start to bounce.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
And bounce, bounce, bounce back through the years.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Listen to them bouncing, bouncing on the long corridor of
time and the years. Slide by, slide by, alive with
the echoes of the past. Do you see them, David,
(40:16):
I see them and hear them. I'm walking, walking along
near the top of the hill on the heath, and
I see.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
I see a single horse.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
He's silhouetted for a moment against the moon, but becomes riding, riding,
and he stops.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
In his thouse and he hides so carefully in the bush.
Bick with him. For Heaven's sake, what's happening. That's Ripple.
He's under two. He thinks he's there.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
They stand stone still, the man and the horse, the
bushes hid. A lady, A lady, she's walking. She has
a cape with a hood. I can't see her face.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
M damn the gavel, pretty lace and pretty face.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
I know. Help against sharp steel.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
No, no, it's Ripple.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
He's got the knife.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
He's down the card act Look on.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
I got him.
Speaker 4 (41:27):
I got him.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
Now I go day rolling on.
Speaker 4 (41:33):
Help say hold me.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
Robert Ripple was pure evil. He was also Charles Mason once.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
Perhaps perhaps he just saw an opportunity to destroy a
good man. When he discovered that the gratype and realized
the man in it looked exactly like you, he simply
took a name with photo and gave it a name.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
And gave me the horrors.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
But Professor, isn't there any chance of finding out who
the man in that picture really was?
Speaker 1 (42:10):
I'd like to know his real name.
Speaker 4 (42:12):
Oh, Dad, David, my darling. Let's just live in the
twentieth century. I admit it's difficult enough, but it's our
very own.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Here we are in the twentieth century. And I have
a little parlor game for you to play. Imagine yourself
is some famous character in history whom you know and admire. Okay,
now close your eyes and think hard, and imagine yourself
(42:49):
alive back in those days. And as you think, you
may see some pictures in your mind that you've never
seen before. Try it. I'll be back shortly. I find
(43:20):
this whole question of reincarnation fascinating, But there's an area
that's not very well covered in the books and essays
that have been written, and that is the question of
animals and their souls. Do they possess souls, and indeed,
do they return in some form as some other animal,
(43:42):
or which I don't like to believe, are those of
us who sin greatly reduced to becoming animals before we
can stop trying to be reborn. Our cast included Shepherd Strudwick,
Marion Selders, William Redfield, to Lawn Clark and Chris Gambell.
(44:03):
The entire production was under the direction of Hymond Brown.
Speaker 4 (44:06):
This is E. G.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
Marshall inviting you to return to our Mystery Theater for
another adventure in the macabre. Until next time, pleasant dreams, ye,
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