Reid Carter covers last week's bombshell developments starting with Georgia pageant queen Trinity Poague sentenced to life after jury convicted her of murdering boyfriend's 18-month-old son - texted roommate she wanted to punch the child. Brian Walsh murder trial heard from dead wife Ana's secret lover William Fastow who detailed their affair and her plans to leave husband - digital forensics revealed Brian searched for "William Fastow DC Real Estate" on Christmas Day 2022 before searching "Ana Walsh found dead." Luigi Mangione's suppression hearing reached day four on anniversary of Brian Thompson's assassination - body camera shows accused CEO killer told cops he didn't want to talk minutes after McDonald's arrest.
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Callaroga Shark Media, Good morning, I'm reed Carter. Monday, December eighth,
twenty twenty five. A lot happened in courtrooms last week.
Let me catch you up. Friday, Georgia, Sumter County. Former
pageant Queen Trinity Pogue, twenty years old, was convicted of
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murdering her boyfriend's eighteen month old son. Jury, deliberated less
than three hours, found her guilty of felony, murder and
cruelty to children. Sentenced to life in prison with possibility
of parole after thirty years. This was a woman who
texted her college roommate that she wanted to punch the toddler,
that she felt anger toward him, that she wished she
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could run him over with her car. Now she's going
to prison for the rest of her life. Massachusetts. The
Brian Walsh murder trial continued last week, with days four
and five bringing explosive testimony. Anna Walsh's secret lover, real
estate broker William Fasto, took the stand and detailed their affair.
Told the jury Anna was planning to leave her husband,
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that she'd discovered Brian was using her credit cards without permission,
that she worried about Brian finding out about the relationship. Meanwhile,
digital forensics showed Brian searched for William Fasto DC real
estate on Christmas Day twenty twenty two, then searched Anna Walsh,
found dead that same day before she was missing, before
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she was dead, while she was still alive and driving
up to Massachusetts after her flight was canceled. And New York.
Luigi Manjoni's suppression hearing hit day four Thursday, on the
one year anniversary of Brian Thompson's assassination. Body camera footage
revealed Mangioni told Pennsylvania police he didn't want to talk
(01:54):
just minutes after they approached him at that McDonald's. His
lawyers are fighting to exclude everything found in his back,
including the gun and the manifesto I'm reed Carter. Today,
trials in three states, a pageant queen who killed a baby,
a husband whose Google searches told the whole story, and
the CEO killer fighting to suppress his own words. This
(02:15):
is celebrity trials. Let's start with the verdict that came
down Friday afternoon. Americus, Georgia, Sumter County. Trinity Madison Pogue,
twenty years old, former Miss Donaldsonville twy twenty three, nursing
student at Georgia Southwestern State University, straight a student in
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her first semester, honor roll, active in pageants, picture perfect,
Southern Bell. Now she's a convicted murderer sentenced to life
in prison for killing an eighteen month old baby. January fourteenth,
twenty twenty four. Romeo Angelus, also called Jaxton Drew or
j D by his family, was found unresponsive in Pogue's
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college dorm room, eighteen months old, barely walking, couldn't even
speak in full sentences, yet rushed to the emergency room. Pulseless,
not breathing, skull fracture, brain bleeding, massive liver laceration. He
died three hours later. Five days after that, police arrested
Trinity Pogue charged her with malice, murder, felony murder, cruelty
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to children, aggravated battery. The baby's father, Julian Williams, had
left his son in Pogue's care while he ran out
for pizza, gone thirty five thirty six minutes. When he
came back, the baby wasn't breathing. The trial lasted four days,
and what the jury heard was damning. Prosecutors introduced text
messages Pogue sent to her college room mate Paris Permort.
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In August twenty twenty three, months before the killing, Pogue
texted about the baby. I feel anger toward j D.
Like I want to punch him. That sounds so bad.
Purmore testified. Pogue also said in person that she sometimes
got so ampngy she wished she could run the toddler
over with her car. Purmore didn't take it seriously, thought
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Pogue was just venting about a difficult relationship. The baby's
father was controlling, demanding required social media passwords, monitored Pogue's activities.
She was eighteen, he was twenty two, twenty three. Power
imbalance from the start, but venting about frustration is one thing.
Beating a baby to death is another. District Attorney Lewis
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Lamb laid it out in opening statements. Pogue resented this child.
She wanted her own baby with Williams, not to play
stepmother to his son. The weekend of January thirteenth and fourteenth,
Williams brought j D to stay with Pogue at her dorm.
She texted her roommate asking to sleep in her room
for a mental break. Saturday night, January thirteenth, the baby
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allegedly fell off the bed. Pogue took videos showing no injuries.
The baby seemed fine, roomate. Paris Permoort saw JD around
ten pm, awake, acting normal, no bruising, no signs of injury.
Sunday morning, January fourteenth, JD woke up healthy eight fredos,
drank mountain dew, acting like a normal eighteen month old.
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Then Williams left to get pizza gone. About thirty five
minutes when he returned, Pogue called and said the baby
wasn't breathing. Emergency room doctors testified about what they found.
Doctor Michael Bussman said JD arrived pulseless and unresponsive. Skull fracture,
brain bleeding, liver laceration, the kind of injuries that would
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cause symptoms within minutes, not hours, not the next day.
Doctor Jill Olek testified there was a zero percent chance
CPR caused the liver tear. The injury was on the
right lobe, away from where compressions are performed. She said
the severity fit high force blunt trauma, not a short
fall from a bed. GBI medical examiner doctor Anthony Clark
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described a complex fracture at the base of JD's skull,
bleeding on the brain, crushed right lobe of the liver,
crushed adrenal gland. He testified those injuries required very high
focused force, and the head trauma alone would have killed
JD within seconds to minutes after impact, not consistent with
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a household fall. Here's what the defense argued. Trinity Pogue
was an immature eighteen year old in a relationship with
a controlling older man. She made comments about not liking
the baby, but nobody testified they witnessed her cause harm.
The investigation was flawed. GBI found no physical evidence in
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her dorm room, no blood, no obvious crime scene. Defense
attorney Tim Gamble asked jurors to focus on reasonable doubt.
Argued Pogue was a second victim accused of a crime
she didn't commit. Pointed out that Williams told various conflicting
stories to hospital ste about what happened. But here's the
problem with that defense. The medical testimony was devastating. Every
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doctor who took the stand said the same thing. The
injuries happened minutes before the baby arrived at the er,
not hours, not overnight, minutes, and who was alone with JD.
In those minutes Trinity Pogue. The prosecution put it simply
in closing arguments, only one person was alone with j
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D during that time frame, the defendant, Trinity Pogue. Friday afternoon,
the jury came back after less than three hours. They
acquitted her of malice murder, meaning they didn't find she
planned to kill the baby, but they convicted her on
two counts of felony murder and first degree cruelty to children.
The killing may not have been premeditated, but it happened,
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and she did it. Judge sentenced her immediately life in prison,
with the possibility of parole after thirty years, plus an
additional twenty years for cruelty to children to run Concurrently,
Trinity Pogue is twenty years old. If she serves the
minimum before parole eligibility, she'll be fifty fifty years old
before she even gets a hearing, and parole isn't guaranteed.
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After the verdict, Pogue cried. The baby's father, Julian Williams,
sat in the courtroom wearing the same jacket he wore
when he rushed his dying son to the hospital. Testified
he never washed it because it's the last thing I
got to remember of him. A stain on the sleeve
his son's vomit. Romeo Angelus Jaxton Drew j D. Eighteen
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months old born June twenty fifth, twenty twenty two. Died
January fourteenth, twenty twenty four. He should be celebrating his
third birthday next summer, should be starting preschool, should be
running around a backyard, learning to kick a ball, saying
his first full sentences. Instead, he's dead because a twenty
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year old college student couldn't control her anger, because she
resented a baby who was just existing, just needing care,
just being a toddler. Some people are just evil, and
some evil hides behind a pageant, crown and a nursing degree.
Rest in peace, Romeo, someone has to say your name.
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We'll be right back with the Brian Walsh murder trial.
His wife's secret lover takes the stand and the Google
searches that prove Brian knew exactly what he was doing.
Welcome back to celebrity trials. I'm reed Carter Dedham, Massachusetts,
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Norfolk County Superior Court. The Brian Walsh murder trial continued
last week with days four and five of testimony. We've
been covering this case from the beginning, let me tell
you where we are. Brian Walsh, fifty years old, is
charged with first degree murder in the death of his wife,
Anna Walsh, thirty nine. Anna disappeared on New Year's Day
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twenty twenty three. Her body has never been found, but
prosecutor say Brian murdered her that day, then spent the
next several days dismembering her remains and disposing of them
across multiple locations. The evidence against him is overwhelming. We've
covered his Google searches before. How long before a body
starts to smell? Best ways to dispose of a body?
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Can you be charged with murder without a body? How
to dismember a body? Searched all on January first and second,
twenty twenty three, the day his wife supposedly left for work,
and the day after. Before trial began, Walsh pleaded guilty
to misleading police and conveyance of a human body. Those
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guilty Please He admitted, he lied, admitted he moved her remains.
The only question now is whether he killed her. Day
four brought testimony from William Fastaw, real estate broker in Washington,
d C. The man Anna Walsh was having an affair
with Fasto met Anna through a real estate referral in
early twenty twenty two. Anna worked for Tishman Speyer, a
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major commercial real estate firm, and wanted to buy a
town home in d C. Fasto helped her find one.
She purchased it in March twenty twenty two, but the
relationship didn't stay professional. Fasto testified they became close friends,
then confidants, then engaged in an intimate relationship. By early
summer twenty twenty two, it was serious. They traveled together
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Dublin for Thanksgiving, planned to celebrate Christmas Eve at the
Annapolis Yacht Club. Here's what the jury learned. Anna was
planning to leave Brian had confided in Fasto that she
was unhappy that Brian's legal situation was affecting her life
and her relationship with their children. Brian had pleaded guilty
to federal fraud charges involving fake Andy Warhol paintings and
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was awaiting sentencing on house arrest, a convicted fraudster who
couldn't even leave the house with us permission. Anna discovered
Brian was using her credit cards without her knowledge, running
up charges. She made over three hundred thousand dollars a year.
He was dependent on her income, and he was stealing
from her on top of it. Fasto testified Anna was
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worried about Brian finding out about the affair. She thought
he was suspicious. She wanted to tell him herself rather
than have him discover it. December twenty fifth, twenty twenty two,
Christmas Day, Anna's flight from DC to Boston was canceled
due to weather. She drove up to Massachusetts instead, arriving
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late that night. And here's where the digital evidence becomes devastating.
Massachusetts State Police Trooper Connor Keith testified about what they
found on Brian's devices. Christmas Day, December twenty fifth, twenty
twenty two, Brian searched for William Fasto, DC real estate.
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He was looking up his wife's lover. Then he searched
Anna Walsh Tishman Speier looking up his wife's employer. Then
Christmas Day plane crash, Then Anna Walsh found dead. Let
me repeat that. On Christmas Day twenty twenty two, while
Anna was still alive, still driving up to Massachusetts, Brian
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Walsh searched for Anna Walsh found dead. That's not idle curiosity.
That's planning. That's a man imagining a future where his
wife is gone. The searches continued December thirty first, twenty
twenty two, New Year's Eve, Brian searched for best divorce
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strategies for men, Best states to divorce for a man, Washington,
d C. Divorce Attorneys in Laws. He was researching divorce,
planning his exit strategy, but something changed between December thirty
first and January first. Instead of divorce searches, Brian started
searching for murder four fifty five am January first, Best
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ways to dispose of a body? How long before a
body starts to smell? The timeline is crystal clear. Something
happened overnight. Anna went from planning to leave her husband
to being dead. Day five continued the forensic evidence Trooper
Keef detailed Brian's movements through cell phone location data January
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first through January fifth, twenty twenty three. The iPhone tracked
him to Low's CVS stop and shop, home goods, home depot,
multiple apartment complex dumpsters in Abington and Brockton, a trash
facility in Peabody. Investigators found items in those dumpsters and
trash facilities. Anna's green hunter boots, a black jacket with
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reddish brown stains, her COVID vaccination card, her purse, a hammer, wire, snips,
hack saw, shears, tape, tivex suits, tarps, protective booties, items
covered in blood, hair, evidence of dismemberment. DNA analyst Davis
Gould processed the Walsh family volvo. Found reddish brown stains
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on the driver's visor, the passenger visor inside, exam style
gloves on the trunk mat. Five areas tested positive for blood.
In the trash bags recovered from dumpsters and the recycling facility,
Gould found two white towels with reddish brown stains, a
bathrobe with blood, slippers with blood and hair, carpet pieces
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with blood, hydrogen peroxide bottles. All the supplies Brian purchased
on surveillance video on January second, used bloodied discarded on
a Walsh was thirty nine years old, a Serbian immigrant
who built a successful career in commercial real estate, mother
of three boys. Trapped in a marriage with a convicted
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fraudster who was stealing her money, she tried to build
an exit a town home in DC, a relationship with
someone who actually respected her, a plan to get out.
Brian found out or suspected, and instead of letting her leave,
instead of divorce, he chose murder, then spent days methodically
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destroying her body and disposing of the evidence. The trial
continues this week. The prosecution will present more forensic evidence,
more witnesses, more proof of what Brian Walsh did to
his wife. Anna Walsh should be forty one years old now,
should be living in her DC town home, should be
raising her three sons, should be building a new life
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away from her controlling, thieving husband. Rest in peace, Anna.
Someone has to say your name. Let me update you
on Luigi Mangone, the man accused of assassinating United Healthcare
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CEO Brian Thompson last December. His suppression hearing continued last
week in Manhattan. Quick recap for anyone just joining us.
December fourth, twenty twenty four, Brian Thompson, fifty years old,
CEO of the largest health insurance company in America, was
shot three times walking to an investor conference in midtown Manhattan.
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The gunman fled on a bicycle. Five day manhunt. December ninth,
Mangione was arrested at a McDonald's in Altoona, Pennsylvania after
a customer recognized him from the wanted posters. Mangioni is
charged with first degree murder in New York state court
and murder charges in federal court. Federal prosecutors are seeking
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the death penalty. His state trial is scheduled for later
this year, but before any trial happens, his lawyers are
fighting to suppress key evidence, the gun, the manifesto, his
statements to police, everything found in his backpack. They're arguing
the search was illegal, that police questioned him before reading
his rights, that the whole the rest was unconstitutional. Thursday's
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hearing was day four. It was also the one year
anniversary of Brian Thompson's killing. United Healthcare marked the day
by lowering flags at their Minnesota campuses. The hearing revealed
new details about Mangione's arrest. Body camera footage showed what
happened inside that McDonald's. Officers Tyler Frye and Joseph Dettweiler
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approached Mangione after someone called to say he looked suspicious.
They played it casual, told him someone thought he was suspicious,
asked for his ID, Mangione handed over a fake New
Jersey driver's license with a phony name. Officers stepped away
to verify it. When they came back, they started asking questions,
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where was he from, what brought him to Altoona. Here's
the key moment. Officer Fry asked MANGIONI, you don't want
to talk to me or anything. Munjon indicated he didn't
want to talk. That happened roughly twenty minutes into the
encounter before he was formally arrested, before he was read
his miranda rights. His lawyers argue that moments should have
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ended all questioning, that anything after was obtained illegally, but
the officers kept talking. More officers arrived. By the time
Mangoni was told he was under arrest, roughly a dozen
cops had converged on the restaurant. He was handcuffed, padded
down multiple times, his backpack pushed away from him. What
was in that backpack? A nine millimeter handgun that prosecutors
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say matches the weapon used to kill Thompson. A notebook
containing writings about his disdain for health insurers and ideas
about killing a CEO at an investor conference, the fake
id he used to check into a New York hostel
days before the shooting. That's the evidence his lawyers want suppressed.
They argue police searched his backpack without a warrant, that
his statements before Miranda shouldn't be admissible, that the whole
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arrest was constitutionally flawed. Prosecutors argue the backpack search was
justified to ensure there was nothing dangerous inside, that Mangioni's
statements were voluntary, that he wasn't under arrest when he
made them. The hearing was supposed to continue Friday, but
Mangioni was out sick. It's expected to resume this week.
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Judge will eventually rule on what evidence gets admitted at trial.
Here's my take. Suppression motions are standard in criminal cases.
Defense attorneys always try to exclude evidence. It's their job.
But the evidence against Mangioni is overwhelming even without his statements.
Surveillance video from the shooting, his movements tracked across multiple states,
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the gun matching the ballistics, the manifesto detailing his motivations.
Even if some statements get suppressed, prosecutors have plenty to
work with. Mangione has pleaded not guilty to all charges.
He remains in custody. Trial scheduling will happen after the
suppression hearing. Concludes Brian Thompson was fifty years old, father
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of two. Minnesota native, rose through United Health Group over
twenty years to become CEO of their healthcare division. Shot
in the back walking to work. Whatever grievances Mangjoni had
about the healthcare system, murder isn't activism, it's terrorism, and
the jury will decide if Luigi Mangoni is guilty of
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exactly that. That's celebrity trials from Monday, December eighth, twenty
twenty five. Trinity Pogue, the Georgia Pageant queen, convicted of
murdering her boyfriend's eighteen month old son. Sentenced to life
in prison, possibility of parole after thirty years. She'll be
fifty before she even gets a hearing. Brian Walsh's murder
(21:41):
trial continues in Massachusetts. His wife's lover testified about their
affair and her plans to leave. Digital evidence shows Brian
searched for Anna Walsh, found dead on Christmas Day twenty
twenty two, while she was still alive, and Luigi Mangone's
suppression hearing continues this week. Body camera footage shows he
told officers he didn't want to talk minutes after they
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approached him defense, fighting to exclude the gun, the manifesto,
everything in his backpack. Tomorrow updates on all three trials
and whatever else breaks. I'm reed, Carter, this is celebrity trials.
Callaroga Shark Media, Good morning, I'm reed Carter. Monday, December eighth,
twenty twenty five. A lot happened in courtrooms last week.
Let me catch you up. Friday, Georgia, Sumter County. Former
pageant Queen Trinity Pogue, twenty years old, was convicted of
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murdering her boyfriend's eighteen month old son. Jury, deliberated less
than three hours, found her guilty of felony, murder and
cruelty to children. Sentenced to life in prison with possibility
of parole after thirty years. This was a woman who
texted her college roommate that she wanted to punch the toddler,
that she felt anger toward him, that she wished she
(00:47):
could run him over with her car. Now she's going
to prison for the rest of her life. Massachusetts. The
Brian Walsh murder trial continued last week, with days four
and five bringing explosive testimony. Anna Walsh's secret lover, real
estate broker William Fasto, took the stand and detailed their affair.
Told the jury Anna was planning to leave her husband,
(01:10):
that she'd discovered Brian was using her credit cards without permission,
that she worried about Brian finding out about the relationship. Meanwhile,
digital forensics showed Brian searched for William Fasto DC real
estate on Christmas Day twenty twenty two, then searched Anna Walsh,
found dead that same day before she was missing, before
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she was dead, while she was still alive and driving
up to Massachusetts after her flight was canceled. And New York.
Luigi Manjoni's suppression hearing hit day four Thursday, on the
one year anniversary of Brian Thompson's assassination. Body camera footage
revealed Mangioni told Pennsylvania police he didn't want to talk
(01:54):
just minutes after they approached him at that McDonald's. His
lawyers are fighting to exclude everything found in his back,
including the gun and the manifesto I'm reed Carter. Today,
trials in three states, a pageant queen who killed a baby,
a husband whose Google searches told the whole story, and
the CEO killer fighting to suppress his own words. This
(02:15):
is celebrity trials. Let's start with the verdict that came
down Friday afternoon. Americus, Georgia, Sumter County. Trinity Madison Pogue,
twenty years old, former Miss Donaldsonville twy twenty three, nursing
student at Georgia Southwestern State University, straight a student in
(02:36):
her first semester, honor roll, active in pageants, picture perfect,
Southern Bell. Now she's a convicted murderer sentenced to life
in prison for killing an eighteen month old baby. January fourteenth,
twenty twenty four. Romeo Angelus, also called Jaxton Drew or
j D by his family, was found unresponsive in Pogue's
(02:59):
college dorm room, eighteen months old, barely walking, couldn't even
speak in full sentences, yet rushed to the emergency room. Pulseless,
not breathing, skull fracture, brain bleeding, massive liver laceration. He
died three hours later. Five days after that, police arrested
Trinity Pogue charged her with malice, murder, felony murder, cruelty
(03:21):
to children, aggravated battery. The baby's father, Julian Williams, had
left his son in Pogue's care while he ran out
for pizza, gone thirty five thirty six minutes. When he
came back, the baby wasn't breathing. The trial lasted four days,
and what the jury heard was damning. Prosecutors introduced text
messages Pogue sent to her college room mate Paris Permort.
(03:44):
In August twenty twenty three, months before the killing, Pogue
texted about the baby. I feel anger toward j D.
Like I want to punch him. That sounds so bad.
Purmore testified. Pogue also said in person that she sometimes
got so ampngy she wished she could run the toddler
over with her car. Purmore didn't take it seriously, thought
(04:06):
Pogue was just venting about a difficult relationship. The baby's
father was controlling, demanding required social media passwords, monitored Pogue's activities.
She was eighteen, he was twenty two, twenty three. Power
imbalance from the start, but venting about frustration is one thing.
Beating a baby to death is another. District Attorney Lewis
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Lamb laid it out in opening statements. Pogue resented this child.
She wanted her own baby with Williams, not to play
stepmother to his son. The weekend of January thirteenth and fourteenth,
Williams brought j D to stay with Pogue at her dorm.
She texted her roommate asking to sleep in her room
for a mental break. Saturday night, January thirteenth, the baby
(04:53):
allegedly fell off the bed. Pogue took videos showing no injuries.
The baby seemed fine, roomate. Paris Permoort saw JD around
ten pm, awake, acting normal, no bruising, no signs of injury.
Sunday morning, January fourteenth, JD woke up healthy eight fredos,
drank mountain dew, acting like a normal eighteen month old.
(05:16):
Then Williams left to get pizza gone. About thirty five
minutes when he returned, Pogue called and said the baby
wasn't breathing. Emergency room doctors testified about what they found.
Doctor Michael Bussman said JD arrived pulseless and unresponsive. Skull fracture,
brain bleeding, liver laceration, the kind of injuries that would
(05:37):
cause symptoms within minutes, not hours, not the next day.
Doctor Jill Olek testified there was a zero percent chance
CPR caused the liver tear. The injury was on the
right lobe, away from where compressions are performed. She said
the severity fit high force blunt trauma, not a short
fall from a bed. GBI medical examiner doctor Anthony Clark
(06:01):
described a complex fracture at the base of JD's skull,
bleeding on the brain, crushed right lobe of the liver,
crushed adrenal gland. He testified those injuries required very high
focused force, and the head trauma alone would have killed
JD within seconds to minutes after impact, not consistent with
(06:21):
a household fall. Here's what the defense argued. Trinity Pogue
was an immature eighteen year old in a relationship with
a controlling older man. She made comments about not liking
the baby, but nobody testified they witnessed her cause harm.
The investigation was flawed. GBI found no physical evidence in
(06:42):
her dorm room, no blood, no obvious crime scene. Defense
attorney Tim Gamble asked jurors to focus on reasonable doubt.
Argued Pogue was a second victim accused of a crime
she didn't commit. Pointed out that Williams told various conflicting
stories to hospital ste about what happened. But here's the
problem with that defense. The medical testimony was devastating. Every
(07:06):
doctor who took the stand said the same thing. The
injuries happened minutes before the baby arrived at the er,
not hours, not overnight, minutes, and who was alone with JD.
In those minutes Trinity Pogue. The prosecution put it simply
in closing arguments, only one person was alone with j
(07:27):
D during that time frame, the defendant, Trinity Pogue. Friday afternoon,
the jury came back after less than three hours. They
acquitted her of malice murder, meaning they didn't find she
planned to kill the baby, but they convicted her on
two counts of felony murder and first degree cruelty to children.
The killing may not have been premeditated, but it happened,
(07:50):
and she did it. Judge sentenced her immediately life in prison,
with the possibility of parole after thirty years, plus an
additional twenty years for cruelty to children to run Concurrently,
Trinity Pogue is twenty years old. If she serves the
minimum before parole eligibility, she'll be fifty fifty years old
before she even gets a hearing, and parole isn't guaranteed.
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After the verdict, Pogue cried. The baby's father, Julian Williams,
sat in the courtroom wearing the same jacket he wore
when he rushed his dying son to the hospital. Testified
he never washed it because it's the last thing I
got to remember of him. A stain on the sleeve
his son's vomit. Romeo Angelus Jaxton Drew j D. Eighteen
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months old born June twenty fifth, twenty twenty two. Died
January fourteenth, twenty twenty four. He should be celebrating his
third birthday next summer, should be starting preschool, should be
running around a backyard, learning to kick a ball, saying
his first full sentences. Instead, he's dead because a twenty
(08:55):
year old college student couldn't control her anger, because she
resented a baby who was just existing, just needing care,
just being a toddler. Some people are just evil, and
some evil hides behind a pageant, crown and a nursing degree.
Rest in peace, Romeo, someone has to say your name.
(09:16):
We'll be right back with the Brian Walsh murder trial.
His wife's secret lover takes the stand and the Google
searches that prove Brian knew exactly what he was doing.
Welcome back to celebrity trials. I'm reed Carter Dedham, Massachusetts,
(09:41):
Norfolk County Superior Court. The Brian Walsh murder trial continued
last week with days four and five of testimony. We've
been covering this case from the beginning, let me tell
you where we are. Brian Walsh, fifty years old, is
charged with first degree murder in the death of his wife,
Anna Walsh, thirty nine. Anna disappeared on New Year's Day
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twenty twenty three. Her body has never been found, but
prosecutor say Brian murdered her that day, then spent the
next several days dismembering her remains and disposing of them
across multiple locations. The evidence against him is overwhelming. We've
covered his Google searches before. How long before a body
starts to smell? Best ways to dispose of a body?
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Can you be charged with murder without a body? How
to dismember a body? Searched all on January first and second,
twenty twenty three, the day his wife supposedly left for work,
and the day after. Before trial began, Walsh pleaded guilty
to misleading police and conveyance of a human body. Those
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guilty Please He admitted, he lied, admitted he moved her remains.
The only question now is whether he killed her. Day
four brought testimony from William Fastaw, real estate broker in Washington,
d C. The man Anna Walsh was having an affair
with Fasto met Anna through a real estate referral in
early twenty twenty two. Anna worked for Tishman Speyer, a
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major commercial real estate firm, and wanted to buy a
town home in d C. Fasto helped her find one.
She purchased it in March twenty twenty two, but the
relationship didn't stay professional. Fasto testified they became close friends,
then confidants, then engaged in an intimate relationship. By early
summer twenty twenty two, it was serious. They traveled together
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Dublin for Thanksgiving, planned to celebrate Christmas Eve at the
Annapolis Yacht Club. Here's what the jury learned. Anna was
planning to leave Brian had confided in Fasto that she
was unhappy that Brian's legal situation was affecting her life
and her relationship with their children. Brian had pleaded guilty
to federal fraud charges involving fake Andy Warhol paintings and
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was awaiting sentencing on house arrest, a convicted fraudster who
couldn't even leave the house with us permission. Anna discovered
Brian was using her credit cards without her knowledge, running
up charges. She made over three hundred thousand dollars a year.
He was dependent on her income, and he was stealing
from her on top of it. Fasto testified Anna was
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worried about Brian finding out about the affair. She thought
he was suspicious. She wanted to tell him herself rather
than have him discover it. December twenty fifth, twenty twenty two,
Christmas Day, Anna's flight from DC to Boston was canceled
due to weather. She drove up to Massachusetts instead, arriving
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late that night. And here's where the digital evidence becomes devastating.
Massachusetts State Police Trooper Connor Keith testified about what they
found on Brian's devices. Christmas Day, December twenty fifth, twenty
twenty two, Brian searched for William Fasto, DC real estate.
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He was looking up his wife's lover. Then he searched
Anna Walsh Tishman Speier looking up his wife's employer. Then
Christmas Day plane crash, Then Anna Walsh found dead. Let
me repeat that. On Christmas Day twenty twenty two, while
Anna was still alive, still driving up to Massachusetts, Brian
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Walsh searched for Anna Walsh found dead. That's not idle curiosity.
That's planning. That's a man imagining a future where his
wife is gone. The searches continued December thirty first, twenty
twenty two, New Year's Eve, Brian searched for best divorce
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strategies for men, Best states to divorce for a man, Washington,
d C. Divorce Attorneys in Laws. He was researching divorce,
planning his exit strategy, but something changed between December thirty
first and January first. Instead of divorce searches, Brian started
searching for murder four fifty five am January first, Best
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ways to dispose of a body? How long before a
body starts to smell? The timeline is crystal clear. Something
happened overnight. Anna went from planning to leave her husband
to being dead. Day five continued the forensic evidence Trooper
Keef detailed Brian's movements through cell phone location data January
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first through January fifth, twenty twenty three. The iPhone tracked
him to Low's CVS stop and shop, home goods, home depot,
multiple apartment complex dumpsters in Abington and Brockton, a trash
facility in Peabody. Investigators found items in those dumpsters and
trash facilities. Anna's green hunter boots, a black jacket with
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reddish brown stains, her COVID vaccination card, her purse, a hammer, wire, snips,
hack saw, shears, tape, tivex suits, tarps, protective booties, items
covered in blood, hair, evidence of dismemberment. DNA analyst Davis
Gould processed the Walsh family volvo. Found reddish brown stains
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on the driver's visor, the passenger visor inside, exam style
gloves on the trunk mat. Five areas tested positive for blood.
In the trash bags recovered from dumpsters and the recycling facility,
Gould found two white towels with reddish brown stains, a
bathrobe with blood, slippers with blood and hair, carpet pieces
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with blood, hydrogen peroxide bottles. All the supplies Brian purchased
on surveillance video on January second, used bloodied discarded on
a Walsh was thirty nine years old, a Serbian immigrant
who built a successful career in commercial real estate, mother
of three boys. Trapped in a marriage with a convicted
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fraudster who was stealing her money, she tried to build
an exit a town home in DC, a relationship with
someone who actually respected her, a plan to get out.
Brian found out or suspected, and instead of letting her leave,
instead of divorce, he chose murder, then spent days methodically
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destroying her body and disposing of the evidence. The trial
continues this week. The prosecution will present more forensic evidence,
more witnesses, more proof of what Brian Walsh did to
his wife. Anna Walsh should be forty one years old now,
should be living in her DC town home, should be
raising her three sons, should be building a new life
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away from her controlling, thieving husband. Rest in peace, Anna.
Someone has to say your name. Let me update you
on Luigi Mangone, the man accused of assassinating United Healthcare
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CEO Brian Thompson last December. His suppression hearing continued last
week in Manhattan. Quick recap for anyone just joining us.
December fourth, twenty twenty four, Brian Thompson, fifty years old,
CEO of the largest health insurance company in America, was
shot three times walking to an investor conference in midtown Manhattan.
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The gunman fled on a bicycle. Five day manhunt. December ninth,
Mangione was arrested at a McDonald's in Altoona, Pennsylvania after
a customer recognized him from the wanted posters. Mangioni is
charged with first degree murder in New York state court
and murder charges in federal court. Federal prosecutors are seeking
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the death penalty. His state trial is scheduled for later
this year, but before any trial happens, his lawyers are
fighting to suppress key evidence, the gun, the manifesto, his
statements to police, everything found in his backpack. They're arguing
the search was illegal, that police questioned him before reading
his rights, that the whole the rest was unconstitutional. Thursday's
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hearing was day four. It was also the one year
anniversary of Brian Thompson's killing. United Healthcare marked the day
by lowering flags at their Minnesota campuses. The hearing revealed
new details about Mangione's arrest. Body camera footage showed what
happened inside that McDonald's. Officers Tyler Frye and Joseph Dettweiler
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approached Mangione after someone called to say he looked suspicious.
They played it casual, told him someone thought he was suspicious,
asked for his ID, Mangione handed over a fake New
Jersey driver's license with a phony name. Officers stepped away
to verify it. When they came back, they started asking questions,
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where was he from, what brought him to Altoona. Here's
the key moment. Officer Fry asked MANGIONI, you don't want
to talk to me or anything. Munjon indicated he didn't
want to talk. That happened roughly twenty minutes into the
encounter before he was formally arrested, before he was read
his miranda rights. His lawyers argue that moments should have
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ended all questioning, that anything after was obtained illegally, but
the officers kept talking. More officers arrived. By the time
Mangoni was told he was under arrest, roughly a dozen
cops had converged on the restaurant. He was handcuffed, padded
down multiple times, his backpack pushed away from him. What
was in that backpack? A nine millimeter handgun that prosecutors
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say matches the weapon used to kill Thompson. A notebook
containing writings about his disdain for health insurers and ideas
about killing a CEO at an investor conference, the fake
id he used to check into a New York hostel
days before the shooting. That's the evidence his lawyers want suppressed.
They argue police searched his backpack without a warrant, that
his statements before Miranda shouldn't be admissible, that the whole
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arrest was constitutionally flawed. Prosecutors argue the backpack search was
justified to ensure there was nothing dangerous inside, that Mangioni's
statements were voluntary, that he wasn't under arrest when he
made them. The hearing was supposed to continue Friday, but
Mangioni was out sick. It's expected to resume this week.
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Judge will eventually rule on what evidence gets admitted at trial.
Here's my take. Suppression motions are standard in criminal cases.
Defense attorneys always try to exclude evidence. It's their job.
But the evidence against Mangioni is overwhelming even without his statements.
Surveillance video from the shooting, his movements tracked across multiple states,
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the gun matching the ballistics, the manifesto detailing his motivations.
Even if some statements get suppressed, prosecutors have plenty to
work with. Mangione has pleaded not guilty to all charges.
He remains in custody. Trial scheduling will happen after the
suppression hearing. Concludes Brian Thompson was fifty years old, father
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of two. Minnesota native, rose through United Health Group over
twenty years to become CEO of their healthcare division. Shot
in the back walking to work. Whatever grievances Mangjoni had
about the healthcare system, murder isn't activism, it's terrorism, and
the jury will decide if Luigi Mangoni is guilty of
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exactly that. That's celebrity trials from Monday, December eighth, twenty
twenty five. Trinity Pogue, the Georgia Pageant queen, convicted of
murdering her boyfriend's eighteen month old son. Sentenced to life
in prison, possibility of parole after thirty years. She'll be
fifty before she even gets a hearing. Brian Walsh's murder
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trial continues in Massachusetts. His wife's lover testified about their
affair and her plans to leave. Digital evidence shows Brian
searched for Anna Walsh, found dead on Christmas Day twenty
twenty two, while she was still alive, and Luigi Mangone's
suppression hearing continues this week. Body camera footage shows he
told officers he didn't want to talk minutes after they
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approached him defense, fighting to exclude the gun, the manifesto,
everything in his backpack. Tomorrow updates on all three trials
and whatever else breaks. I'm reed, Carter, this is celebrity trials.
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