India’s space program is no longer just about launching rockets. From sending humanoid robots like Vyom Mitra into orbit, to mapping the deep ocean floor for minerals, to building the indigenous Bharat Space Station—India is scripting a technological revolution.
In this exclusive episode of Chakravyuh Podcast, Gaurav Sawant speaks to Dr. Jitendra Singh—Union Minister, diabetologist, and the mind behind many of India’s science; tech missions.
In this episode, you'll get to know
• Gaganyaan mission status & timeline
• Who is Subhash Shukla & Vyom Mitra?
• Bharat Space Station plans for 2035
• How India is monetizing space launches
• Quantum communication & NavIC satellites
• Weather forecasting innovations (Nowcast)
• India’s Deep Ocean Mission: minerals, fisheries & surveillance
• Use of satellites in national security & disaster management
• Insights on diabetes, fatty liver & lifestyle disorders
• Space-tech vs. critics: vanity or value?
• And why India’s ancient wisdom is being digitized
This is more than just a conversation—it’s a roadmap to India@2047.
Produced by Garvit Srivastava
Sound Mix by Rohan Bharti
In this exclusive episode of Chakravyuh Podcast, Gaurav Sawant speaks to Dr. Jitendra Singh—Union Minister, diabetologist, and the mind behind many of India’s science; tech missions.
In this episode, you'll get to know
• Gaganyaan mission status & timeline
• Who is Subhash Shukla & Vyom Mitra?
• Bharat Space Station plans for 2035
• How India is monetizing space launches
• Quantum communication & NavIC satellites
• Weather forecasting innovations (Nowcast)
• India’s Deep Ocean Mission: minerals, fisheries & surveillance
• Use of satellites in national security & disaster management
• Insights on diabetes, fatty liver & lifestyle disorders
• Space-tech vs. critics: vanity or value?
• And why India’s ancient wisdom is being digitized
This is more than just a conversation—it’s a roadmap to India@2047.
Produced by Garvit Srivastava
Sound Mix by Rohan Bharti
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is India Today podcasts.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
There is a soul starring Wade Mantra in the Yajur
vaid Oyna Rugadha Yin sir Ya Nanaka Jo rajas Vimana Deva.
With this, Vade Mantra talks about that supreme being that
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helps you travel through space Lok lokan Karana or.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Karanas is vi Bakti.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Now is that actually possible? Of course, traveling in space
is already happening. India's group Captain Subhanshu Shukla is part
of that mission in space.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
The first Indian in the International Space Station.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
That's happening almost for decades after squad leader Rakesh Sharma.
He was a costmonaut. Now we have an astronaut. But
what is India's big space plan? To talk more about it,
and India does intend to take huge leaps as already
taking those huge leaps. Is doctor j Dayane, the Minister
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of State, Independent Charge Science and Technology, Earth Sciences, Prime
Minister's Office and Ministry of Personnel.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Sir, welcome on Chuck Review podcast.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Thank you, thank you, sir.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
You wear multiple hats. You're a medical doctor.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
You look at space science very closely. You're a Member
of Parliament from.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Jammu and Kashmir.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
But if we were to talk about India's space plans,
first tell us about the broad overview, especially Group Captain
Schumanshu Shukla's mission.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
What do we hope to achieve through this?
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Yeah, of course, and before that, just picking up from
the shloka that you so beautifully recited to begin with
about the Earth being the voyage exploring the Earth, and
this is precisely what Shibashu said that Earth looks just
one you can't demarket boundaries, which is very much in
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keeping with us theym also, so I think that they're
also India has supiritually proved a point, so that connects
with your initial recitation. But having said that, as far
as the space plans are concerned, of course, India of
course has all is is is moving on its space
plans on all those levels which other nations which had
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launched themselves before us, like for example notably US then
USSR and also to some extent European Space Agency.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
But besides that, I think India has also qualified in.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Making initiative and undertaking initiative which were not so commonly
undertaken by the other nations we started off before us,
like for example, in the infrastructure development in this sectoral
doveloment today most of at least in the last eleven
years after privatey from Modi took over almost all the
infrastructure and the flagship programs. The Government of India have
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a very very important and heavy space technology company. Look
for example, look at the smart city program it started
by PRIVATEY to mody, the railway crossings, unmanned crossings, then
of course disaster forecasts. Now we are even offering our
help and our inpuls at least to all the neighboring
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countries in fied. Way back in twenty fifteen or sixteen,
we launched a satellite which was some people fanci well
ethoughtically could be named as Sark satellite. But then somehow
Pakistan did not offer to become a part of it.
Of course it is to their disadvantage. But we are
offering now inputs to all the other neighboring countries. Besides
that huge huge forage into the telemedicine communication of course
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what we are talking today, and also in some of
our governance programs. Interestingly, Samito program undertaken by the Government
of India very successfully. He has become almost a global
success story where using space technology, using drones, you can
map the farms, you can map the land. You've put
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the revenue officer and the patwari out of job. You
made the citizen the master of his destiny. So I
think India is now doing all that anybody else could
be doing, rather in a better way.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
And we have also proved that we are no longer followers.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
In more ways than one, we are also in fact
motivating or beckoning others to follow. Like for example, America
landed on the surface of Moon way back nineteen sixty
nine Neil Armstrong, and nineteen sixty nine is the year
when officially is was established.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
We were just being born. But today we are the
first to learn on this southern pool. So likewise, in
more ways than one.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
Now, for example, where Shwahi we were talking about the
various experiments, at least six or seven of them are
the ones which are.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Being contructed for the first time.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
No astronaut from any region, from any country has ever
done so. And what he's doing is going to offer
inputs to the rest of the world as well.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
So, for example, because that was reading, there is an
EMU that your your ministry has signed whether plants can
be grown in space?
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Tell us more about these experiments. So these you know,
plants that.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
You have exactly.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
That's a very interesting story because when I suggested to
this Gaerman issue the then chairman istry that we would
have and then also took the Secretary wire Technology into confidence,
many others were wondering why I was, you know, harping.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
On this idea.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
Then I told them, Okay, one day we may be
having a specialty called space biology, and even the medical
domain where I belong to, could be having a separate
specialty of space physicians. And then I told them from
my own experience that look here, about twenty thirty years back,
we had newly you know, come across a new emerging
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specialty called sports medicine. Nobody thought much about it, just
hit doctor in angel was not taken very seriously. But
today sports medicine sports physicians among the highest speed. I said,
tomorrow you may have space physicians who might be asked
even to accompany these voyages and expeditions.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
In the space. Now all that Virtue is doing is
doing it could have been done in a better way.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
You know, there's some very important life sizes experiments being
done for a myogenesis comparitive into the muscles, how the
muscles become dysfunction or tend to get wasted in the microgravity,
and how to strategize their recovery.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
So that is one.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
The other is the human impact of the use of
continuous use of electronic gadgets looking at these screen and
how with what frequency do you need to take give
rest to your faculty so to avoid any adverse cognitive effects.
Now this could have been done in a better way
by a wire technologies a physician, but we don't. But
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they are not trained to be there in micros So
now astronaut was trained as a doctor or as a
researcher to do and he's done it beautifully.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
He's picked up so well.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
I mean a fighter pilot, you know, a scientist is
also now being trained as a doctor to carry out
these experiments.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
But tomorrow we might have space physicians also trained to
acclimatize themselves to the micro gravity and accompany the crew there.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Correct amazing, What are India's big plans?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Because we hear a lot about Barti Anthrik stations, we
hear a lot about gagan Yan we hear about chandra
Yan four. So let's take it step by step. India's
manned mission or a human mission to space.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Delays.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
You're right, delays who As of now, the schedule is
twenty twenty twenty six, maybe the first quarter of it
and delay.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Of course, we had very ambitiously planned it to time
it with the seventy fifty year of everybody. Then unfortunately
COVID happened. That was an important novel and at that
point in time and the lockdown happened. Our astronauts are
the potential astronauts for undergoing training at the at the
in Moscow in one of the institutes, and they had
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to be called back. So the old thing God trailed.
So then there was a gap of one or two years.
Again the training had to be started again. Then there
was the Indian component of the training, so it took time. Meanwhile,
of course, this offer to accompany to the International Space
Station happened since we already had four of them already
undergoing to and virtually almost completed that training and also
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going through the quarantine group. Captain Nayer Krishna that Shahu
of course was a squad and leader at that time.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Now he's also a group captain, so the choice had
to be one of them.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
So this selection of Shibaju was also among from among
those four who are actually trained for Gagana, So it's
got very then the different Now, of course we are
into the test flights because there are different modules, the
crew module, the lab module, and getting it back safe
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is equally important. So it's going to be a whole
of size and a whole of government because the naval
guards are going to be involved in.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
That when they retreat them, reteing them back in the waters.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
And therefore, I think maybe by the end of this year,
if it all goes as we have planned, we'll have
the final test flight, which would be actually carrying a
robo astronaut and she will be a female robo who's
been named oo Mitra. And after that, when everything is
happens as per the en wes arched plan and we
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are satisfied on all accounts and even the safe the
security part, then maybe by the bigining of next year,
we'll have the first human being in space, Indian human
being in an indigenous flight of indigenous flight.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
So yeah, yum Mithra Mahilaku, you know this is something
that I wanted to understand and while you've spoken about it,
since we're doing a detailed conversation, I'd like to understand
the government's thought process on Yom Mithra before I come
back to Gaganyan and India's International or Indian space station.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
Now, I think if you take a holistic view and
you just try to assess the tone and tenor of
this government or the last one decade. Ever since Primeister
moy took over, there has been absolute democratization of opportunities,
democratization of the tasks allocated of He was the first
one who introduced girl students to Stanning schools, also had
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and female read periods, et cetera, et cetera. And I
think keeping the same spirit alive is like that and
we have and yes, as far as space sector is concerned,
I think we already have several women leaders and most
of our many of our projects are actually women led,
like for example, are very ambitious. UH solar project was
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a project one led by a woman, Nizarre. She's a
Tamilian UH and so ALSOI which was a great success.
Number two was Kalpana, so again a woman and so
also in many of our other projects. So I think
there's an absolute equivalent distribution of tasks and equivalent performance
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as well.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
So what will the view myth do uh tell us
more about that mission?
Speaker 4 (11:45):
She will perform all those tasks which would be expected
to be performed by the human being and the actual
human being who later on takes off of that voyage
the final she will conduct experiments.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
She will also.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Make an assessment of the micro gravity factors, the the environment,
atmospheric factors over there, and also take pictures. So it
will be because you see, there are three four components.
The one is the art observation, that is communications, third
is the navigation, So she will be dwelling into all
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those and then finally the actual human being who are
also tried on the same path brilliant and.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Each each aspect, you know, communication very important. Quantum communication
is something that you've emphasized on tremendously and will come
to quantum you know, communication in.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Just a moment.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Navigation.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
I want to learn more about navic Everyone talks about,
you know, either China's Baidu or they talk about America's GPS,
or you know the Russian system. How do we compare
to those that'll just come to that question. But staying
with gagan Yan, staying with our space station, there is
an international space station. The world is cooperating, you know,
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Exasper Bushman exactly, International space station, may Baratka Anthrix space Station.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
What is our thinking there?
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Yeah, we are following a sequence of events.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
And if we go by the schedule that we have
and we sive for ourselves as of today, then as
I said Gagan twenty twenty six, then Chandan four twenty
twenty seven, which is going to be very important, where
they're going to be multiple dockings and dockings, they are
going to be five components.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Are going to be a very interesting you know.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
From a from a scientific point of view, it's going
to create a lot of excitement.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
And you're happy about spade X.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Spade X is our It initiated us into the learning
of these docking and docking processes. JAN four will be
doing it in a much much, much majestic and magnanimous scale.
You'll have five components the two launching sites because the
weight will be too much, so those five will go up.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Then you know, they will inter lock and then they'll separate.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
If we have an a center module, we have a
center module, we have a transport module, we have a
return module. So the center goes down, picks up the
samples from the surface of Moon, transports it, it transfers
it to the center module. Sorry, this is a center module,
transfers it to the center module. A center transfers it
to the transport module. Transport module comes back, and there's
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a return module. It merges into that. And then finally
the return comes back with all that stuff. And at
the end of it, we'll have just twenty percent of
the payload returning back home. So it's going to be
it's going to give us a tremendous, tremendous amount of
precision as far as locking and undocking process circles. And
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then after twenty seven twenty eight is Venus mission. We
have planned and of course on this international space station
by twenty thirty VI, which is going to be named
as a bar Antriction Station.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Barret Anthrix Station will be in space for for for
a very long time. And how many astronauts of us,
how many gagnya trees of us will be in it,
and how long will they be there?
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Yeah, they see this that that depends on the nature
of the experiment and the scale of the experiment, like
for example, now also in the International Space Station, we
already had seven Lloyd over there and then three have
been now added, so it's now makes it alose ten
and eleven. So at any given point of time the
number would be varying depending on the experiment, but we
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would be you know, in the true sense both arm network,
both make in India and that's complete.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Yeah, yeah, indigenous make in India.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
So truly living up to Prime Minister more these all
these three important mantras, even this Gangarian is going to
be totally indigenous, totally Arthur Network and totally making India. Yeah,
right from the nut bolt up to the astronauts, everything,
everything couse. And this is also a very good example
of a whole of science and whole of industry because
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the nut boards the other equipment would be manufactured, developed
by different institutes, different factories across the country and of
course assemble there brilliant.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
And it's not just the government that's doing this, the
private sectors of course. I believe a lot of efforts.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
In space.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Oh yeah, that's been a turning point. There's been turning one.
It couldn't have been possible, but for primary amority. Because
these two sectors, and I can say with all the
confidences may command space sector and more so the nuclear sector,
they had been reconciled to be working behind a wheel
of secrecy. So nobody even demanded that they should be
open to the private sector because everybody thought, it's like,
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you know, that is a norm.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
But when we put across that in today's world, today's time, it.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Doesn't make any sense, you know, hiding behind a whaler
secresy when the whole world is watching you through so
many means and primus to more you was so forthcoming.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
He allowed us to open the space sector.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
And this year we also announced in the opening up
the nuclear sector, which is something which was unbelievable for.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
All these stakeholders.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
And after this space sector opened up, because you see
this process is very recent. Only in twenty nineteen we
set up a new public sector unit called NSIL News.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Space India Limited. Twenty twenty we came out with new
reforms and also a separate agency called in Space.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
So I think we have also produced a model, institutionalized
model of public private participation. So this in Space is
responsible for deciding the nature of collaborations, the scale of collaborations,
and also the identity of the entities who from government,
who from private, who from domestic, who international? And FDI
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is also now allowed, So that has done a monoculos change.
For example, we were just about one digit startups still
about three four years back. Now we've propt three hundred
three hundred, yes, and we were our space economy was
just discimal. Today it is more than eight billion US
dollar just in two three years, and it's growing so
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fast that our projections indicate that in the next eight
to ten years we will be going a four to
five times maybe forty to forty five billion US dollar,
which in other word means that when India moves from
this economy four to three two and one. Of course,
the value edation is going to come from the sectors
which had not been fully explored in the past, So
this is going to be an important factor the space sector,
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like also the ocean resources. We have a vast ocean
eleven thousand kilometer coastal area. Before this government came, nobody
had looked at that site. It's a huge wealth lying
inside that minerals, metals, fisheries. So we've launched deep ocean mission,
which was also annouced by primester motive from the rappers,
so red fod.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Not once but twice in his independence.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
So all these sectors, this is how we we look
at it scientifically and ask ourselves, how is the valuation
going to come from?
Speaker 3 (19:04):
How do we make that quantum leap from four to one?
Speaker 4 (19:08):
It will happen because of the resources which have not
yet been fully explored or have remained under explored, and
also our Himalian resources there also.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
We started looking only for the first time.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
This purport retribution, which aminated from gentlemen Kishmi, is now
spread all over to truck hundred.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Himachal, all the Himalian states.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
So space is going to play a very important role
in also supplementing our future economic growth.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Sir Apney's space.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
You spoke of space, and one thing if I could add, yes,
another notable feature is that though America started before us,
but we are making a good revenue by launching American
satellites from Siia Equa. You will be amused when I
tell you that we have so far earned about one
hundred and ninety two million US dollars and about two
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hundred and seventy two million euros from the European satellites
and the Americans log lights. Yeah, we are now lending ourselves.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Is there also correct?
Speaker 2 (20:08):
I want to understand because this is brilliant, as you mentioned,
you know how this is generating revenue. The Prime Minister
spoke of how our missions and our Mars mission, you know,
was made at much lesser cost than the movie.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
But what I want to understand is those people who say.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Make more roads, make more bridges, make more hospitals, make
more schools, this is vanity. You're wasting money in space.
How much money you've spent on Strauman Shushoe Club? Was
that actually required? How would you respond to them, sir?
Speaker 3 (20:43):
That is because there is need to need for the
change of mindset.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
What has happened is that over the years, partly because
of the norms and the priority is followed by the
earlier governments and also the social contexts, the average citizens
mind Bridge Indian City's mind has got conditioned in a
certain fashion. So he tends to look at everything in silos.
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He is not, it's not he's yet trying to understand
that making roads is also helped by space technology. You
can make faster roads faster highways, lesser cost, lesser.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Time, and much much more concrete.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
By combining all these so integrated, synergized approach is what
is going to give us a global rule. And that's
that's all the success stories across the global app So
when we talk of space technology, we are not limiting
only to the launch of rockets.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
That's only a very small component, though he's talked about
much because it sounds romantic. You know that looks good, yeah, yeah, like.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
And three, I was in a lighter way in telling
some of the media Fhrads, I said, our space, our
scientific endeavors never found a place in the mainstream media.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
But fortunately space has given us space.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
So general for you know, it's got the imagine nation
and I think the entire country was glued to the
television both at the time of launching and as I
said after we've opened up to the private sector thanks
to Prime Minister Modi. At every given launch we have
about a crowd of not less than ten twenty thousand
drawn from right from the dark up to Kanaquari and
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media persons to the tune of nearly fifteen hundred two thousand.
So that has given us visibility and also showcased US
domestically as well internationally. But what is less talked about
is that, like you know, it's like army. Indian army
does tremendous amount of work in peace time. It finds
it attracts news and attention only during the warfare, which
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is very short and very infrequent, but it's all the
time working Sathava.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
You know, school worked.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Similarly, our space technology is full time working in the
infrastructure sector, railways, in roads, in telemedicine, hospital care, disaster.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
We are now among the best in our forecasts.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
So and even in our deportion mission, space technology is
important partners with us. So I think space technology besides
sending rock and even if you talk of rocket says
you rightly mentioned, we are so so cost effective that
for example, our general are was just about six hundred coro. Simultaneously,
the Russian mission was also said, which was about you know,
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ten times though it didn't mean successful. Yeah, though it
didn't meet with the kind of success that they had desired.
So I think they're also because we one seldom spoken
aspect of our space programs is that we had dearth
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of resources, but our humor resource was abundant, like for example,
if you go back to the archives, you'll find those
very touching photographs of carrying some of his sman bicycle carriageway.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
But that's fascinating.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
So we had talent, We had potential.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
Or Nishtati commitment, Lake and a cool party that enabling Meliu,
which is expected from the policy makers, excepted from the
political dispensation of the day that happened only after twenty fourteen.
Or could train Kiakma even if we have a dearth
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of his horses, so Hawara speed Kama. So when we
moved out of ear Sorvid, we didn't go like that
like a bulletry. You started rotating like this.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
You know, it's just like in the Young Earth corbet
in my younger days.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
First time and I got a car, it was the
second hard car. So there was a natural tendency go Alan,
this is a neutral I mean that was considered to
be a Norman and my generation in those types. So
similarly ja he sai he ended neutral l then to
enter into the next orbit. Then you took a shot
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and entered into Moon's orbit the Moon, unlike the simultaneous
Russian mission, which we felt like this like a bullet tread.
That's why the time span taken by it was lesser.
So what I'm trying to say is that heads soft
to our experts. They had reconciled to lack of support
from the political dispensation of the earlier years, but they
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were determined to make up for it through their own
personal inborn human.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Resource and tremendous tremendous.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
You mentioned many aspects, but there's one aspect that I
want to focus on, which perhaps we'll know for the
first time, the role of the Ministry of Science during
Operations Sindhur.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Operation Sindur made.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
This spectacular victory that India had. Tell us about the
role that our satellites played.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
Yeah, of course the defense part I will not be
out of turned for me to speak the inter cases.
But yes, the entire warfare happened primarily through two.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Sectors. One is space technology, other is atomicology.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
And I think on are the days when you had
infantries and cavalies, you know, coming into action. I think
in the times to come ue in the air raids
will be off, you'll have missiges and then maybe AI
driven missiges. You just write the address precise and then
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I think we are moving towards that day and time.
So this and what is significant is that all these
technologies were only the last ten years. In twenty fourteen,
when this government came in, the defense sector was virtually
had come to a stand still, no new purchases, we made,
no new technologies being gover So in these ten years
all these dots, so what transfer technologies happened. The equipments
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were developed way. Institutes across the country were involved in this.
The Indian Institute of Sciences in Bangaluru, the different I
t is across the I can't put VIDE and of
course is THRO, so all of them joined together to
and VRDU. Of course, and in fact, the team which
developed the Sakash system, they were telling us the other
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day that even we didn't know it will be so
precise and accurate. So I said, that means you've got
an opportunity to test it on the Pakistan soil.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
So Pakistan became our live lab.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Absolutely, So what I'm trying to say, and now it
has provert that we are second to none, and in
more ways than one, we are now also offering ques
to others or others are looking forward to pick up cues.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
From us SO Operationsindhur also pointed out the need for
more l e o's or low Earth orbiting satellites, and
they China, which one of the Army generals, the deputy
chief clearly mentioned China was aiding Pakistan and they have
I'm told, over a thousand low Earth orbiting satellites and
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then we need to push a lot more.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Where are we on.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
AliOS, No, we are actually as I said broadly, we
are into four categories.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
One is navigation, other is communication, third is Earth.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Observatory and fourth is size satellites which are mostly dedicated
to research. So these Earth observatories also performed you know,
similar kind of task for various reasons. Now, the Nizara
satellite which is going to be got delayed. Actually we
had planned for January of February, but then the American
component somehow took type. So this is going to be
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very fascinating. This is going to take pictures of Earth
to the dimensions of just twelve inches every few months,
every few months. So they will be so and our
geospecial program is one of the best. Now we have
totally overalled our surveyor of India. Uh, you know, methodologies,
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and the Swamith also is linked to that, so we
are already into it.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Now. The ultimate objective.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
Is picking of the pictures and to what use it
is to be put It may not necessarily be used
for warfare, as China tries to put it up. We
might also be using it for welfare programs, for mapping,
for very important input gathering, like for example, in Swormouth,
it used to be so many revenue disputes, disputes and
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revenue advocate was a different section of you know, lawyers
who made a fortune out of this.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
There were no revenue lawyer criminal. So I think that's
not going to be relevant anymore.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
And for the benefit of our viewers, a satellite takes
images and tells you precisely, how.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Does that have to say?
Speaker 3 (29:56):
And now that is not even challengeable in the code now.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Secondly, in the present context, also our space center in
Silong is engaged in drawing demarcations across the northeastern borders
with Maya and mar and other places, because earlier they're
always dispute where to what extent strates India and then myronment.
So all this is going to make a very precise
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uh you know outcomes which will not only be meant
for warfare, but otherwise also it could be used depending
upon the circumstances in the requirement.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
So the use of.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Space, for example, in Swambittur is used for the common
man absolutely so similarly it is.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Used for the common man and then made by the
common man. Finally he becomes the master. He loves to
do it himself.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
True. True.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Let's talk about something that the government that you're focusing
on very extensively is quantum communication. So can you explain
this revolution in terms of communication, the satellite based communication.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
I'm glad you asked that, because see, we are among
just four or five nations in the world in that
elite club which has now launched officially a dedicated national
quantum mission in QM.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
It was launched by the Prime Minister only last year.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
And that also proves the point as I always keep
saying that till about two decades back, we were always
a decade and a half behind others, like, for example,
television happened in America in nineteen fifties. The famous American
election of nineteen sixty where Kennedy turned the tables on
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Nixon was the outcome of our presidential debate on the television.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Here we didn't know what is television about? What is
debate about?
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Because we got to see the first rahas aware in
nineteen seventy one said.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Two games nineteen eighties where yeah TV.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
And also only in the capital city of Delhi. True
state has got it much later. So we were always
running behind. Now it's no longer, so we are ahead
of others. And so also in the contromission and quantum
communication is going to be very interesting, both from the
point of view security, from the point of view of communication,
from the point of view of medical management. Like for example,
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in case of medical management, you have these radiations for
cancers and sometimes you have collateral damage or these cells
you are trying to focus on one cell. You also
in the process in edvertentiary destroy energy. But this will
not happen with quantum options. You would be precisely hitting
the cell that you are without causing any collateral damage
here or it will be supers Similarly, in part terms
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of communication, now you have encrypted here in mobile Yeah,
what's spared all but that and this encrypted also is
difficult to you know, uncover, but that would be virtually
impossible because to tell you precisely what you have a
server number, you have an individual identity number, which is
usually the method followed in these encrypted conversations, so that
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that maintains the confidentially.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
But there the the the I D number would be
would have to be would have to be.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
Detected by making calculation based on multiplication of two digits,
and there could be multiple, you know, like for example,
your ID number is ten, then I could be making
it could be one into one into ten becomes ten.
It could be point one in two hundred also makes
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it ten. It could be point zero zero one into ten.
So then were multiple, uh, you know, multiple.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Solutions leading on to that digit.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
Now, which is the solution which has been selected as
an identry will be virtually impossible to uncover. Once we
did a side of exercise and apparently it seemed that
it might take lacks of use.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
So it is going to be such a you know,
and that would enable us.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
To keep our information and our communication services confidential and
at the same time also avoid being infringed by others
who have that technology. So I think that is going
to be the need of art very soon. It's going
to be a part of our normal functioning.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
We are also looking at navig our own navigation satellite
guiding US.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
I mean, it's already happening, I'm told, in a very
big way.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
But how does that also benefit our people and does
that give us the kind of independence that we want
even in for example, warfare, that we are not dependent
on the American system that once held us held us
back during operations.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
Absolutely depending on others for defense, of course, and also
for other reasons. For example, if there's a sudden disaster
catastrophe happening, then we have to procure pictures of the
other satellites that might sometimes not be a very convenient option.
Here we have this also started by this government. And incidentally,
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what is fascinating is that the year twenty twenty four
ended with the speedex mission around thirty first STARTUS Severn
and the year twenty twenty five started with the Navik
which was also our one hundredth launch. Incidentally, so you
can understand how the auspicious timings of the year in
the contemporary India are being matched by our space events.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
And this, as you said, it will make us network.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
It will also give us more procedure depending on the
Indian you see Indian data for Indian solutions. We didn't
have Indian data enough in any sector of size, even
in medicin, and we for quite a few generations we
were reading textbooks written by the Western authors and applying
that treatment on our patients.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
So for the first time we started. So this navik
is also going to.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
Be an endeavor in that direction, is going to generate
our own data which would be then applicable in number
of our flagship programs in the future, Indigenous solution, Indigenous
data and Indigenous methodologies.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
You know, what you pointed out is very very interesting
that even for medicine, we were studying Western books a lot,
you know, about what they did, whereas the West was
studying so truth. The West was studying, you know, what
our ancient sages had.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Had studied in medicine.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Similarly, like in medicine, are we doing the same in
terms of science? Do we have any historical civilizational knowledge
of where we were and how we can eurogas? Anytime
you mentioned anything.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Like this, people mock you. They say, you know, they
live in a fool's paradise, But what's the truth?
Speaker 4 (36:47):
Yeah, no, I say, very nicely put by you, we
got I think now the world is getting awakened to
the tradition Indian knowledge, and this government has also set
up a separate section digitalizing tradition knowledge. And in the CSI,
which is also a STUTI with Themistry of Science and Technology,
we have set up a separate exclusive hell called TKDL,
that is Traditional Knowledge Digital Library. We are now in
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the process of digitalizing all the scriptures and the region knowledge.
Not much to learn, like for example, a small example
I'll give you in nineteen nineteen nine, twenty twenty, there
was a huge cyclone in Rosa. Correct, everything went upside down,
the poles, the electric poles, the trees and the only
one structure which remained untouched was the con arch temple.
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So I got fascinated with though I was not a
part of the government, so I engage some of the
friends who actually studied and then it was so fascinating
to understand the poles were designed like that.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
They were designed like yeah they were they would allow
the winds to you know, slip away.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
There were no corners, no, I mean, so there was
so much of knowledge based on observation and that data
we didn't have for the first time.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
Now we are and you're rightly mentioned.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
Not only in the traditional our ancient history of the
mid evil history, the Westerners are coming here. Even in
twentieth century, most of our tropical diseases or communication communicable
diseases which were which were more prevalent in the Indian
subcompetent were researched one way the Westerners.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
Now, if you go to the.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
General hospital in Chennai, which is the oldest which was
founded by the Britishers after the Calcutta that was the
second you have a small plaque outside their lap which
reads this is the room where doctor dona On works
dona On bodies in which many so they would come
to India because they didn't have these disease over there
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to study the Indian problems, the Indian diseases, particularly tropical
they would come to India. So unfortunately we didn't have
the means and also possibly we didn't have that orientation
which is now started happening.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Very very interesting, you know, because I've always wanted to
know how in times like for example, we read Raja
Ram when he came back from from Lanka to Ayodhya.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
He came on the pushbuck woman. Yes, what does that mean?
Did we have aviation in that time. What kind of
aviation did we have? We've seen some some of those things.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
So many things happening.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
Actually, we sometimes tend to make you believe or suspect
whether this was so in those times. Like for example,
now AI driven options are being worked upon where you
could have the images visual images thrown directly on your retina,
so if you're cornea's non functional, you could still see
the image.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
So that reminds you of Mahabara, you know somethings.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
So and this is this is the goverment which is
credited for having created an exclusive ministry of ayush and
particularly after COVID, the Westerners have also started taking interest
not only in yoga but also in all the other
Indian methods of management and medical treatment.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
So you men, we sign the moment you mentioned sign
the cyclone.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
There's weather prediction, weather pattern, use of satellite to study
of predictorin or to predict the weather.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
How accurate are we there? And what more is being
done in that field?
Speaker 4 (40:17):
Yeah, I'm glad you asked that. Of course, there's no
end to doing what we are doing. Only this year
after this government came in more th three point oh
prime Minister launched Mossum Mission Mossum, which is going to
give us, you know, global standards and best benchmarks ever.
(40:39):
But even before that, we have already started off and
it's already been done in some of the more rainfall
prone cities like Mumbai, like Chennai, we have three sets
broadly a long range forecast, a short range long range
of course weekly for short ranges two forty eight and
now also we have started up forecast called now.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
Now now means.
Speaker 4 (41:07):
And is so effective and so reliable that people in
Mumbai now see the what's up the app in their
watch to decide whether to carry a marilla or not.
So I was telling them you could make small jingles,
you know, to publicize it granny.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
So I mean, this is become. We have started, you know,
now forecasting even the the mysteries of nature. So we
are into it.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
In Delhi, the n c R, we are in the
process of upgrading it because sometimes, of course, to be
very modest, there were complaints last year that some of
the forecas were not happening very accurately as people expected.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Because now people are so you know, sensit.
Speaker 4 (41:52):
There's so much dependent also on the forecas and that's
because when we talk of Delhi, we talk we we
have to realize it's not of the Yore. We're talking
of l which is extended to Haryana also into so
but we are on the job. We have automated weather
stations which are known as e w s, so we
are in the process of increasing their numbers so that
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they are at frequent distances so that the forecast will
be more precise. And I think this is going to
be a completed in the next couple of months, next
couple of months, so.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
We will have accurate weather prediction for the next several hours.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
Yeah, yeah, actually so much now that even sometimes.
Speaker 4 (42:28):
For example, once I had to go for some program
and it started raining there and the DM, the young lady,
caught up and she said that the entire lipad which
they had made has gone hayy, So.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
How do you plan it now?
Speaker 4 (42:45):
So I said, wait a minute, So I checked with
my people, the IMD. They said the rain is going
to stop after maybe forty minutes like that, so that precise. Yes,
So I called up the DM. I said, how long
is this going for you to reconstrut that? She says
about thirty minutes, So I said, then what you do
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is you start off after forty minutes and I take
off after forty minutes because my flying time is also
about thirty minutes.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
Wow, so it's going to save a huge amount of time.
Speaker 4 (43:16):
Now, for those who say that space technology is a
waste of money, I think this is also one of
the answers. We are saving time, why we are saving energies,
we are saving state exchequer.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
So so much of saving of the resources is happening.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
So one of the aspects that the world is looking
at very closely, and you hinted about that initially, is
deep sea exploration. And when it comes to India, given
a huge coastline and our exclusive economic zone and others
who are trying to come into our waters, what are
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we doing there? The role of space, the role of science,
and you wear multiple hats, how do we harness that wealth?
Get that Sonik heym sal.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
I'm so glad.
Speaker 4 (44:08):
Shaved higher because this is something not talked about often,
and that is why privatestor Modi spoke about it twice
consecutively in his two Independence DA addresses twenty twenty two
maybe twenty three men because he was trying to awaken
the Indian mind to this vast wealth which is lying unexplored.
(44:28):
So in fact, there was a group of youngsters from
Australia last year, so in a lighter way, and I
told them, I said, your island called Australia, your country
called Australia, your continent called Australia, but your ocean not
called Australia. My ocean called Indian ocean. And then I
try to give them a philosophical, you know, explanation.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
America made.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
This.
Speaker 3 (44:59):
There was no banking system in place to ten JR
p K. Don't go k a hint drop you can.
Speaker 4 (45:20):
Till twenty fourteen fifteen, there was no attention given to
this vast, vast resource. As you rightly pointed out Gyaras
kilometer Lamba a coastal area or.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
And if you explored and almost.
Speaker 4 (45:35):
Twelve states lying in the explore, I think the amount
of minerals metals officially would be almost as much as
you are getting on the lad. In fact, take the
like a civil servan Kara illegal mining ABA, illegal mining.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
BB was a mana illegal fisheries water and island.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
Islands for your deep sea deep sea fishing deep fish.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
In fact, I think it's it's your government, I think,
which is focusing quite a bit.
Speaker 3 (46:20):
I want to understand your deep ocean mission.
Speaker 4 (46:23):
This in this includes all these aspects, fishery, metal minerals,
even diving into the sea to have a naked eye
direct view. Interestingly, what I am trying to discuss with
the concerned expertsssion one Indian in this space, one Indian
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deep Seamara sea bed is about aimeterm. So first would
be fifty KI trial final.
Speaker 3 (47:03):
Dp C submarine.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
And again, since this is so fascinating and there are
there are India's adversaries who want to come into this
area and they know what we have here, how does
that knowledge get spread widely that we have to spend
a lot of resources in protecting our assets in the ocean,
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that we need a more powerful navy, we need, we
need more in exploration. There's a map in the Navy
Chief's office with which I'm very fascinated by, which shows
India as the center of the world. But if you
look at India's mapsir south is you know that tip
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Yahamara matha he or b what Malay oriented approach Hamara
ocean orientation?
Speaker 3 (48:15):
We I me until this government came, I wonder why
no intention or in fact him.
Speaker 4 (48:23):
Malayaka explored, we have so many you know, states and
u territories lying in the lap of Himalaya.
Speaker 3 (48:33):
J Levender.
Speaker 4 (48:34):
You know we have now almost within three four years,
we have three thousands startups engaged in Leavender. Cultivation has
become a lucreative source of Lively Corporates B M, B
A K. So actually orientation, there's a lot of opportunities
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also for Lively.
Speaker 3 (49:11):
We are ocean.
Speaker 4 (49:15):
Space a sophisticated sector available at our backyard.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
Ham. We're a seafaring nation, yes, but seafaring.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
So if I may just kind of switch gears now
to something that India is grappling with and you are
one of the best people to talk to us about
its space or oceans hard you know in a body
can after.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
You're a medical doctor. You're a diabetologist.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
I believe you've written eight nine books on di it
is and unfortunately we are seen as one of the
diabetes capitals of the world.
Speaker 1 (50:05):
Why what do we change? How do we get rid
of this?
Speaker 3 (50:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (50:08):
Absolutely, the number of reasons. Of course, until a few years,
for a few years, we were the diaptyes capital. Now
we've also become fatal liver capital. If you go to
any op D in the hospital, every third or fourth
patient coming there for any other complaint, maybe an E
N T complaint CO cold cover. But if you take
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the history, he would be having a history, would be
having underlying diptyes which may or may not be known
to him or her or every third Indian having a
fatty liver and combined to that obesity. As Bribe mister
rightly mentioned, we are number three in childhood obasity in
the world.
Speaker 3 (50:45):
I mean they are so dubious, dubious records to have.
Speaker 4 (50:53):
Phenotype genetic Our Indian phenotype is such that we are
more prone to metabolic disorders, particularly time to dive like Cuba,
Osy studies, England Europe Team jr PI vulnerability factor just
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go home control cars to an extent their central obesity
mistal fat. Now Europeans and Americans apparently look bulky. Many
study key about is a b sallet city check a
couple of Europeans, a couple of Indians, Asians, Asian.
Speaker 3 (51:40):
Fat livered European as they can under fat. So my.
Speaker 4 (51:51):
Luckily are you know sartorial habits is also you know
design like that you can wear a six meter long sardi,
you can wear a.
Speaker 3 (52:00):
Log, you can you This is actually a storehouse or
disease or is.
Speaker 4 (52:10):
Like a central obesity is a risk factory independent of
the overall away city, whether you are theme lean otherwise.
But if you are central ubis, you are at risk
and prevalence in fact, even normally you know, even case
of these other things, females are said to be less
prival but the so I think this, these are some
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of the factors which at least can be controlled by
lifestyle modifications, by your eating habits, activity.
Speaker 1 (52:51):
As a as a diabetologist.
Speaker 3 (52:56):
Die. Yeah, but how how how you know how youllerged?
Speaker 4 (53:04):
Scientifically, there are three components of right. One is quality,
other is quantity, and third is distribution distribution.
Speaker 3 (53:12):
Distribution traditional.
Speaker 4 (53:19):
've got timing quality or quantity, This will lead to
your celer even if the quality is less quantity. So
I'm just say ideally you your Western concept which was
of course adopted from Indian and yeah, supper supper is
(53:42):
the Western concept which is actually adopted from the ancient
Indian athos and supper followed by bedtime snack. So this
distribution component is ignored, which is not taken care of
any any of the most of these, you know options
(54:04):
which are being advised. So if if you listen to
what your body says, the body the actually we eat
more than what we require. H we don't need to
eat so much. So if you're if you're if you
just listen to what is your activity or a lighter way.
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Indian forest officer worker there is no more now retired
as a chief of conservator forest and died and so
I said, I was new into.
Speaker 3 (54:43):
The practice, which is how many a.
Speaker 1 (54:58):
Managem b d.
Speaker 4 (55:18):
And there's also a waste of money in fact, and
also you are consuming what some other have not might
have consumed. So this could be have being a huge
social implication. So I think we need to also enlighten
ourselves in a more holistic manner.
Speaker 1 (55:35):
One you saying we should eat less to you saying is.
Speaker 3 (55:38):
We actually is required eat as much as the body requires.
That's it. But because then the signal goes that you
are full over it, which is so true.
Speaker 1 (55:56):
I mean all of us, we just would.
Speaker 2 (56:04):
The diabetes no, And I know I'm digressing from the topic.
As a doctor, what is your advice?
Speaker 1 (56:11):
I think.
Speaker 4 (56:13):
In a single sentence, just go back to your ancestors
lifestyle and don't fancy that's also not scientifically given and
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oriental food oriental food habits. I mean this is actually
what I sometimes say, diabetes is too serious a subject
to be left to a diabotoll just alone. It has
a huge social cultural component also, we as of today
we have no definite eating habits, unlike some of the
European countries which are more homogeneous sham and so we
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are having North Indian, we are having South Indian. We
have Italian pizza so Hamara kakha or beach Chinese week hali.
So we are all actually our social and cultural habits
are also evolving. We are very young Democracy X for
your work at Trier, whereas like for example, in Western
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countries they would not have they'll have their own set
of you know, recipes.
Speaker 3 (57:36):
It's currently confusion in our eating.
Speaker 4 (57:40):
Which is sometimes it's cause very good for the balate,
but not always good for the gut.
Speaker 1 (57:46):
Very interesting.
Speaker 2 (57:47):
So eat for the gut and not for the palate
is your advice. So again I know I'm digressing a little.
Speaker 1 (57:53):
Like in Isa Pach it was a very important visit
not just the Brick Summit, but.
Speaker 3 (58:03):
Also the and I think you've made a record in
getting a head of state.
Speaker 2 (58:07):
Twenty sixth I believe, but it's being mocked at by
some political leaders within our country. You heard what Punjabi
finished said, he unable to pronounce even the names of
the countries he visited.
Speaker 1 (58:20):
What do you make of that thing?
Speaker 4 (58:22):
That we would have to come out of that mindset
and understand the prime minister is prime minister of every Indian.
He's not Prime minster of BJP alone so as to
make some other political party fight a fault with it.
So when they when you tend to look for that
narrow prism, then these kind of thoughts happen.
Speaker 3 (58:41):
If you grow about this, then you'll take pride in this.
Speaker 4 (58:44):
So if you look at Ghandhi, you don't say Ghanthi
of Congress and the BJP holds him an equal reverence.
Speaker 3 (58:52):
So I think we need to evolve. As I said,
we are still an evolving nation.
Speaker 1 (58:56):
But the Panja Jahajari they yeah, Joe, I think that.
Speaker 2 (59:24):
China debt trap, diplomacy, counter economic models say never that
will help all countries and they then are closer to
US global South, especially.
Speaker 1 (59:39):
Lack of understanding.
Speaker 2 (59:40):
Hey, yeah, there's political mocking democratic wing.
Speaker 4 (59:45):
But let us all accept in all humility, regardless of
what the political affreation may be, regardless even what the
ideology may be.
Speaker 3 (59:54):
Even for those who do not subscribe to the ideology
of the ruling party of the they will they not
confess that.
Speaker 4 (01:00:04):
The biggest brand massater that India today has is Prime
Minster Moody.
Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
Deep ocean mission.
Speaker 4 (01:00:23):
Much and we know his word carries greater trustworthy, does
greater credibility, greater reach.
Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
Or job.
Speaker 4 (01:00:38):
When you have to project something about India, I think
the easiest methodology available.
Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
To us is to operate through Prime Minister moy One.
It has been said.
Speaker 4 (01:00:52):
From a very narrow prism of uh view, but common
citizen of India would not subscribe to that.
Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
Just some raj uh Biharme Voter Card Revision johor vote.
Speaker 4 (01:01:22):
Supreme Election Commission is an independent body combined condition Congress.
When they would be interfering in the working of the
independent bodies I c b IH Election Commission, they are
taking time to understand that this is a government led
by Primariter Modi which does not interfere in the working
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of the independent constitutional bodies, sal engage how many BJP
is a party with a difference.
Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
But you have all these opposition parties who are ganging
up and they insist that this entire exercise of the
election Commission. They're looking at the election Commission as an
extension of the bartle and the party and they're saying
it's happening at the best of the BJP.
Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
Why is it happening just now?
Speaker 4 (01:02:21):
Just they are saying it is happening at the behest
of the BJP because when they were in the ruling dispensation,
they were doing it at the behest of Congress or
the behest of the ruling party. So they think the
BJP also would to follow the same pattern as they
were doing. That's why he said BJP is a party
with the difference. They don't understand the working on. We
follow the norms of democracy within the party outside the
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party in equal measure. And if it is happening incidentally
at a time when the elections are closed, I don't
think you need to attach motives to that. That means
it's a very subjective observation, or maybe it suits your
imminent prospects of defeat.
Speaker 3 (01:02:59):
You're preparing ground on an explanation for that.
Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
So when we talk about, you know the use of science,
the use of technology, can this also be used to
prevent the threats that our country faces at various borders.
We spoke of operations ind but then there's a threat
that we face on the Bangladesh border. There's a threat
that our country faced at the Mayanmar border in Manipur.
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There's a threat that we face all along the India
Tibet border. Where does science and technology help India? You know,
in twenty twenty we were told that we were surprised
when the Chinese came to Tibet so quickly at.
Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
Our borders and the India Tibet border.
Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
How do you view that? No, I think we are
now much ahead of that.
Speaker 4 (01:03:41):
We have very precise surveillance systems in place all along
the border, along the international border.
Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
Incidentally, my constituency has a sizeable.
Speaker 4 (01:03:54):
Span of ib international border, as it's to be seen
to be void. How they are being deployed over there.
So these are electronic sullness monitoring systems both by thermal
detections otherwise you can even visualize and even the tunnel
detection and technologies are being applied.
Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
Both Heli Board and others.
Speaker 4 (01:04:17):
So I think we are now much ahead in that
and that's why we've been able to cut down on
infiltration a considerable measure compared to what it was Ara River.
Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
But that also is being attended to and.
Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
On other boarders like Myanmar, on India Tibet.
Speaker 4 (01:04:35):
There were sometimes you know, some contraversi or contradictions about
the exact border that's also being in that also, the
Space Department has been made a partner to actually work
out that and our yes, our center at Shilong is
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also working on that also to precisely define at the market.
Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
That works in along the Bangladesh border, all.
Speaker 4 (01:05:02):
The borders wherever it is required. The Home Ministry is
also working closely. In fact, the Northeastern Council, which when
I was the donorm message that happened, the.
Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
Northeastern Council, which is earlier.
Speaker 4 (01:05:17):
Affiliated only to the Donor Mistry, has now also been
made subservient to the Home Ministry, the Ministry of Home
Affairs for this precise reason as well.
Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
So we've had a brilliant conversation and you know, there's
so much else that I would to talk to you about,
perhaps you know we will do that at.
Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
A later date. Thank you for joining me here on
the Chuck Review Podcast.
Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
Many thanks, thank you, thank you. I enjoyed
This is India Today podcasts.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
There is a soul starring Wade Mantra in the Yajur
vaid Oyna Rugadha Yin sir Ya Nanaka Jo rajas Vimana Deva.
With this, Vade Mantra talks about that supreme being that
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helps you travel through space Lok lokan Karana or.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Karanas is vi Bakti.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Now is that actually possible? Of course, traveling in space
is already happening. India's group Captain Subhanshu Shukla is part
of that mission in space.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
The first Indian in the International Space Station.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
That's happening almost for decades after squad leader Rakesh Sharma.
He was a costmonaut. Now we have an astronaut. But
what is India's big space plan? To talk more about it,
and India does intend to take huge leaps as already
taking those huge leaps. Is doctor j Dayane, the Minister
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of State, Independent Charge Science and Technology, Earth Sciences, Prime
Minister's Office and Ministry of Personnel.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Sir, welcome on Chuck Review podcast.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Thank you, thank you, sir.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
You wear multiple hats. You're a medical doctor.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
You look at space science very closely. You're a Member
of Parliament from.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Jammu and Kashmir.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
But if we were to talk about India's space plans,
first tell us about the broad overview, especially Group Captain
Schumanshu Shukla's mission.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
What do we hope to achieve through this?
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Yeah, of course, and before that, just picking up from
the shloka that you so beautifully recited to begin with
about the Earth being the voyage exploring the Earth, and
this is precisely what Shibashu said that Earth looks just
one you can't demarket boundaries, which is very much in
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keeping with us theym also, so I think that they're
also India has supiritually proved a point, so that connects
with your initial recitation. But having said that, as far
as the space plans are concerned, of course, India of
course has all is is is moving on its space
plans on all those levels which other nations which had
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launched themselves before us, like for example notably US then
USSR and also to some extent European Space Agency.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
But besides that, I think India has also qualified in.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Making initiative and undertaking initiative which were not so commonly
undertaken by the other nations we started off before us,
like for example, in the infrastructure development in this sectoral
doveloment today most of at least in the last eleven
years after privatey from Modi took over almost all the
infrastructure and the flagship programs. The Government of India have
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a very very important and heavy space technology company. Look
for example, look at the smart city program it started
by PRIVATEY to mody, the railway crossings, unmanned crossings, then
of course disaster forecasts. Now we are even offering our
help and our inpuls at least to all the neighboring
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countries in fied. Way back in twenty fifteen or sixteen,
we launched a satellite which was some people fanci well
ethoughtically could be named as Sark satellite. But then somehow
Pakistan did not offer to become a part of it.
Of course it is to their disadvantage. But we are
offering now inputs to all the other neighboring countries. Besides
that huge huge forage into the telemedicine communication of course
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what we are talking today, and also in some of
our governance programs. Interestingly, Samito program undertaken by the Government
of India very successfully. He has become almost a global
success story where using space technology, using drones, you can
map the farms, you can map the land. You've put
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the revenue officer and the patwari out of job. You
made the citizen the master of his destiny. So I
think India is now doing all that anybody else could
be doing, rather in a better way.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
And we have also proved that we are no longer followers.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
In more ways than one, we are also in fact
motivating or beckoning others to follow. Like for example, America
landed on the surface of Moon way back nineteen sixty
nine Neil Armstrong, and nineteen sixty nine is the year
when officially is was established.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
We were just being born. But today we are the
first to learn on this southern pool. So likewise, in
more ways than one.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
Now, for example, where Shwahi we were talking about the
various experiments, at least six or seven of them are
the ones which are.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Being contructed for the first time.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
No astronaut from any region, from any country has ever
done so. And what he's doing is going to offer
inputs to the rest of the world as well.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
So, for example, because that was reading, there is an
EMU that your your ministry has signed whether plants can
be grown in space?
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Tell us more about these experiments. So these you know,
plants that.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
You have exactly.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
That's a very interesting story because when I suggested to
this Gaerman issue the then chairman istry that we would
have and then also took the Secretary wire Technology into confidence,
many others were wondering why I was, you know, harping.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
On this idea.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
Then I told them, Okay, one day we may be
having a specialty called space biology, and even the medical
domain where I belong to, could be having a separate
specialty of space physicians. And then I told them from
my own experience that look here, about twenty thirty years back,
we had newly you know, come across a new emerging
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specialty called sports medicine. Nobody thought much about it, just
hit doctor in angel was not taken very seriously. But
today sports medicine sports physicians among the highest speed. I said,
tomorrow you may have space physicians who might be asked
even to accompany these voyages and expeditions.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
In the space. Now all that Virtue is doing is
doing it could have been done in a better way.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
You know, there's some very important life sizes experiments being
done for a myogenesis comparitive into the muscles, how the
muscles become dysfunction or tend to get wasted in the microgravity,
and how to strategize their recovery.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
So that is one.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
The other is the human impact of the use of
continuous use of electronic gadgets looking at these screen and
how with what frequency do you need to take give
rest to your faculty so to avoid any adverse cognitive effects.
Now this could have been done in a better way
by a wire technologies a physician, but we don't. But
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they are not trained to be there in micros So
now astronaut was trained as a doctor or as a
researcher to do and he's done it beautifully.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
He's picked up so well.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
I mean a fighter pilot, you know, a scientist is
also now being trained as a doctor to carry out
these experiments.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
But tomorrow we might have space physicians also trained to
acclimatize themselves to the micro gravity and accompany the crew there.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Correct amazing, What are India's big plans?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Because we hear a lot about Barti Anthrik stations, we
hear a lot about gagan Yan we hear about chandra
Yan four. So let's take it step by step. India's
manned mission or a human mission to space.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Delays.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
You're right, delays who As of now, the schedule is
twenty twenty twenty six, maybe the first quarter of it
and delay.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Of course, we had very ambitiously planned it to time
it with the seventy fifty year of everybody. Then unfortunately
COVID happened. That was an important novel and at that
point in time and the lockdown happened. Our astronauts are
the potential astronauts for undergoing training at the at the
in Moscow in one of the institutes, and they had
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to be called back. So the old thing God trailed.
So then there was a gap of one or two years.
Again the training had to be started again. Then there
was the Indian component of the training, so it took time. Meanwhile,
of course, this offer to accompany to the International Space
Station happened since we already had four of them already
undergoing to and virtually almost completed that training and also
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going through the quarantine group. Captain Nayer Krishna that Shahu
of course was a squad and leader at that time.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Now he's also a group captain, so the choice had
to be one of them.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
So this selection of Shibaju was also among from among
those four who are actually trained for Gagana, So it's
got very then the different Now, of course we are
into the test flights because there are different modules, the
crew module, the lab module, and getting it back safe
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is equally important. So it's going to be a whole
of size and a whole of government because the naval
guards are going to be involved in.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
That when they retreat them, reteing them back in the waters.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
And therefore, I think maybe by the end of this year,
if it all goes as we have planned, we'll have
the final test flight, which would be actually carrying a
robo astronaut and she will be a female robo who's
been named oo Mitra. And after that, when everything is
happens as per the en wes arched plan and we
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are satisfied on all accounts and even the safe the
security part, then maybe by the bigining of next year,
we'll have the first human being in space, Indian human
being in an indigenous flight of indigenous flight.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
So yeah, yum Mithra Mahilaku, you know this is something
that I wanted to understand and while you've spoken about it,
since we're doing a detailed conversation, I'd like to understand
the government's thought process on Yom Mithra before I come
back to Gaganyan and India's International or Indian space station.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
Now, I think if you take a holistic view and
you just try to assess the tone and tenor of
this government or the last one decade. Ever since Primeister
moy took over, there has been absolute democratization of opportunities,
democratization of the tasks allocated of He was the first
one who introduced girl students to Stanning schools, also had
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and female read periods, et cetera, et cetera. And I
think keeping the same spirit alive is like that and
we have and yes, as far as space sector is concerned,
I think we already have several women leaders and most
of our many of our projects are actually women led,
like for example, are very ambitious. UH solar project was
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a project one led by a woman, Nizarre. She's a
Tamilian UH and so ALSOI which was a great success.
Number two was Kalpana, so again a woman and so
also in many of our other projects. So I think
there's an absolute equivalent distribution of tasks and equivalent performance
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as well.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
So what will the view myth do uh tell us
more about that mission?
Speaker 4 (11:45):
She will perform all those tasks which would be expected
to be performed by the human being and the actual
human being who later on takes off of that voyage
the final she will conduct experiments.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
She will also.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Make an assessment of the micro gravity factors, the the environment,
atmospheric factors over there, and also take pictures. So it
will be because you see, there are three four components.
The one is the art observation, that is communications, third
is the navigation, So she will be dwelling into all
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those and then finally the actual human being who are
also tried on the same path brilliant and.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Each each aspect, you know, communication very important. Quantum communication
is something that you've emphasized on tremendously and will come
to quantum you know, communication in.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Just a moment.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Navigation.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
I want to learn more about navic Everyone talks about,
you know, either China's Baidu or they talk about America's GPS,
or you know the Russian system. How do we compare
to those that'll just come to that question. But staying
with gagan Yan, staying with our space station, there is
an international space station. The world is cooperating, you know,
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Exasper Bushman exactly, International space station, may Baratka Anthrix space Station.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
What is our thinking there?
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Yeah, we are following a sequence of events.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
And if we go by the schedule that we have
and we sive for ourselves as of today, then as
I said Gagan twenty twenty six, then Chandan four twenty
twenty seven, which is going to be very important, where
they're going to be multiple dockings and dockings, they are
going to be five components.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Are going to be a very interesting you know.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
From a from a scientific point of view, it's going
to create a lot of excitement.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
And you're happy about spade X.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Spade X is our It initiated us into the learning
of these docking and docking processes. JAN four will be
doing it in a much much, much majestic and magnanimous scale.
You'll have five components the two launching sites because the
weight will be too much, so those five will go up.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Then you know, they will inter lock and then they'll separate.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
If we have an a center module, we have a
center module, we have a transport module, we have a
return module. So the center goes down, picks up the
samples from the surface of Moon, transports it, it transfers
it to the center module. Sorry, this is a center module,
transfers it to the center module. A center transfers it
to the transport module. Transport module comes back, and there's
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a return module. It merges into that. And then finally
the return comes back with all that stuff. And at
the end of it, we'll have just twenty percent of
the payload returning back home. So it's going to be
it's going to give us a tremendous, tremendous amount of
precision as far as locking and undocking process circles. And
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then after twenty seven twenty eight is Venus mission. We
have planned and of course on this international space station
by twenty thirty VI, which is going to be named
as a bar Antriction Station.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Barret Anthrix Station will be in space for for for
a very long time. And how many astronauts of us,
how many gagnya trees of us will be in it,
and how long will they be there?
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Yeah, they see this that that depends on the nature
of the experiment and the scale of the experiment, like
for example, now also in the International Space Station, we
already had seven Lloyd over there and then three have
been now added, so it's now makes it alose ten
and eleven. So at any given point of time the
number would be varying depending on the experiment, but we
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would be you know, in the true sense both arm network,
both make in India and that's complete.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Yeah, yeah, indigenous make in India.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
So truly living up to Prime Minister more these all
these three important mantras, even this Gangarian is going to
be totally indigenous, totally Arthur Network and totally making India. Yeah,
right from the nut bolt up to the astronauts, everything,
everything couse. And this is also a very good example
of a whole of science and whole of industry because
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the nut boards the other equipment would be manufactured, developed
by different institutes, different factories across the country and of
course assemble there brilliant.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
And it's not just the government that's doing this, the
private sectors of course. I believe a lot of efforts.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
In space.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Oh yeah, that's been a turning point. There's been turning one.
It couldn't have been possible, but for primary amority. Because
these two sectors, and I can say with all the
confidences may command space sector and more so the nuclear sector,
they had been reconciled to be working behind a wheel
of secrecy. So nobody even demanded that they should be
open to the private sector because everybody thought, it's like,
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you know, that is a norm.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
But when we put across that in today's world, today's time, it.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Doesn't make any sense, you know, hiding behind a whaler
secresy when the whole world is watching you through so
many means and primus to more you was so forthcoming.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
He allowed us to open the space sector.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
And this year we also announced in the opening up
the nuclear sector, which is something which was unbelievable for.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
All these stakeholders.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
And after this space sector opened up, because you see
this process is very recent. Only in twenty nineteen we
set up a new public sector unit called NSIL News.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Space India Limited. Twenty twenty we came out with new
reforms and also a separate agency called in Space.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
So I think we have also produced a model, institutionalized
model of public private participation. So this in Space is
responsible for deciding the nature of collaborations, the scale of collaborations,
and also the identity of the entities who from government,
who from private, who from domestic, who international? And FDI
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is also now allowed, So that has done a monoculos change.
For example, we were just about one digit startups still
about three four years back. Now we've propt three hundred
three hundred, yes, and we were our space economy was
just discimal. Today it is more than eight billion US
dollar just in two three years, and it's growing so
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fast that our projections indicate that in the next eight
to ten years we will be going a four to
five times maybe forty to forty five billion US dollar,
which in other word means that when India moves from
this economy four to three two and one. Of course,
the value edation is going to come from the sectors
which had not been fully explored in the past, So
this is going to be an important factor the space sector,
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like also the ocean resources. We have a vast ocean
eleven thousand kilometer coastal area. Before this government came, nobody
had looked at that site. It's a huge wealth lying
inside that minerals, metals, fisheries. So we've launched deep ocean mission,
which was also annouced by primester motive from the rappers,
so red fod.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Not once but twice in his independence.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
So all these sectors, this is how we we look
at it scientifically and ask ourselves, how is the valuation
going to come from?
Speaker 3 (19:04):
How do we make that quantum leap from four to one?
Speaker 4 (19:08):
It will happen because of the resources which have not
yet been fully explored or have remained under explored, and
also our Himalian resources there also.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
We started looking only for the first time.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
This purport retribution, which aminated from gentlemen Kishmi, is now
spread all over to truck hundred.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Himachal, all the Himalian states.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
So space is going to play a very important role
in also supplementing our future economic growth.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Sir Apney's space.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
You spoke of space, and one thing if I could add, yes,
another notable feature is that though America started before us,
but we are making a good revenue by launching American
satellites from Siia Equa. You will be amused when I
tell you that we have so far earned about one
hundred and ninety two million US dollars and about two
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hundred and seventy two million euros from the European satellites
and the Americans log lights. Yeah, we are now lending ourselves.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Is there also correct?
Speaker 2 (20:08):
I want to understand because this is brilliant, as you mentioned,
you know how this is generating revenue. The Prime Minister
spoke of how our missions and our Mars mission, you know,
was made at much lesser cost than the movie.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
But what I want to understand is those people who say.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Make more roads, make more bridges, make more hospitals, make
more schools, this is vanity. You're wasting money in space.
How much money you've spent on Strauman Shushoe Club? Was
that actually required? How would you respond to them, sir?
Speaker 3 (20:43):
That is because there is need to need for the
change of mindset.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
What has happened is that over the years, partly because
of the norms and the priority is followed by the
earlier governments and also the social contexts, the average citizens
mind Bridge Indian City's mind has got conditioned in a
certain fashion. So he tends to look at everything in silos.
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He is not, it's not he's yet trying to understand
that making roads is also helped by space technology. You
can make faster roads faster highways, lesser cost, lesser.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Time, and much much more concrete.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
By combining all these so integrated, synergized approach is what
is going to give us a global rule. And that's
that's all the success stories across the global app So
when we talk of space technology, we are not limiting
only to the launch of rockets.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
That's only a very small component, though he's talked about
much because it sounds romantic. You know that looks good, yeah, yeah, like.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
And three, I was in a lighter way in telling
some of the media Fhrads, I said, our space, our
scientific endeavors never found a place in the mainstream media.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
But fortunately space has given us space.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
So general for you know, it's got the imagine nation
and I think the entire country was glued to the
television both at the time of launching and as I
said after we've opened up to the private sector thanks
to Prime Minister Modi. At every given launch we have
about a crowd of not less than ten twenty thousand
drawn from right from the dark up to Kanaquari and
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media persons to the tune of nearly fifteen hundred two thousand.
So that has given us visibility and also showcased US
domestically as well internationally. But what is less talked about
is that, like you know, it's like army. Indian army
does tremendous amount of work in peace time. It finds
it attracts news and attention only during the warfare, which
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is very short and very infrequent, but it's all the
time working Sathava.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
You know, school worked.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Similarly, our space technology is full time working in the
infrastructure sector, railways, in roads, in telemedicine, hospital care, disaster.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
We are now among the best in our forecasts.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
So and even in our deportion mission, space technology is
important partners with us. So I think space technology besides
sending rock and even if you talk of rocket says
you rightly mentioned, we are so so cost effective that
for example, our general are was just about six hundred coro. Simultaneously,
the Russian mission was also said, which was about you know,
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ten times though it didn't mean successful. Yeah, though it
didn't meet with the kind of success that they had desired.
So I think they're also because we one seldom spoken
aspect of our space programs is that we had dearth
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of resources, but our humor resource was abundant, like for example,
if you go back to the archives, you'll find those
very touching photographs of carrying some of his sman bicycle carriageway.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
But that's fascinating.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
So we had talent, We had potential.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
Or Nishtati commitment, Lake and a cool party that enabling Meliu,
which is expected from the policy makers, excepted from the
political dispensation of the day that happened only after twenty fourteen.
Or could train Kiakma even if we have a dearth
(24:26):
of his horses, so Hawara speed Kama. So when we
moved out of ear Sorvid, we didn't go like that
like a bulletry. You started rotating like this.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
You know, it's just like in the Young Earth corbet
in my younger days.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
First time and I got a car, it was the
second hard car. So there was a natural tendency go Alan,
this is a neutral I mean that was considered to
be a Norman and my generation in those types. So
similarly ja he sai he ended neutral l then to
enter into the next orbit. Then you took a shot
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and entered into Moon's orbit the Moon, unlike the simultaneous
Russian mission, which we felt like this like a bullet tread.
That's why the time span taken by it was lesser.
So what I'm trying to say is that heads soft
to our experts. They had reconciled to lack of support
from the political dispensation of the earlier years, but they
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were determined to make up for it through their own
personal inborn human.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Resource and tremendous tremendous.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
You mentioned many aspects, but there's one aspect that I
want to focus on, which perhaps we'll know for the
first time, the role of the Ministry of Science during
Operations Sindhur.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Operation Sindur made.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
This spectacular victory that India had. Tell us about the
role that our satellites played.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
Yeah, of course the defense part I will not be
out of turned for me to speak the inter cases.
But yes, the entire warfare happened primarily through two.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Sectors. One is space technology, other is atomicology.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
And I think on are the days when you had
infantries and cavalies, you know, coming into action. I think
in the times to come ue in the air raids
will be off, you'll have missiges and then maybe AI
driven missiges. You just write the address precise and then
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I think we are moving towards that day and time.
So this and what is significant is that all these
technologies were only the last ten years. In twenty fourteen,
when this government came in, the defense sector was virtually
had come to a stand still, no new purchases, we made,
no new technologies being gover So in these ten years
all these dots, so what transfer technologies happened. The equipments
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were developed way. Institutes across the country were involved in this.
The Indian Institute of Sciences in Bangaluru, the different I
t is across the I can't put VIDE and of
course is THRO, so all of them joined together to
and VRDU. Of course, and in fact, the team which
developed the Sakash system, they were telling us the other
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day that even we didn't know it will be so
precise and accurate. So I said, that means you've got
an opportunity to test it on the Pakistan soil.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
So Pakistan became our live lab.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Absolutely, So what I'm trying to say, and now it
has provert that we are second to none, and in
more ways than one, we are now also offering ques
to others or others are looking forward to pick up cues.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
From us SO Operationsindhur also pointed out the need for
more l e o's or low Earth orbiting satellites, and
they China, which one of the Army generals, the deputy
chief clearly mentioned China was aiding Pakistan and they have
I'm told, over a thousand low Earth orbiting satellites and
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then we need to push a lot more.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Where are we on.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
AliOS, No, we are actually as I said broadly, we
are into four categories.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
One is navigation, other is communication, third is Earth.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Observatory and fourth is size satellites which are mostly dedicated
to research. So these Earth observatories also performed you know,
similar kind of task for various reasons. Now, the Nizara
satellite which is going to be got delayed. Actually we
had planned for January of February, but then the American
component somehow took type. So this is going to be
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very fascinating. This is going to take pictures of Earth
to the dimensions of just twelve inches every few months,
every few months. So they will be so and our
geospecial program is one of the best. Now we have
totally overalled our surveyor of India. Uh, you know, methodologies,
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and the Swamith also is linked to that, so we
are already into it.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Now. The ultimate objective.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
Is picking of the pictures and to what use it
is to be put It may not necessarily be used
for warfare, as China tries to put it up. We
might also be using it for welfare programs, for mapping,
for very important input gathering, like for example, in Swormouth,
it used to be so many revenue disputes, disputes and
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revenue advocate was a different section of you know, lawyers
who made a fortune out of this.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
There were no revenue lawyer criminal. So I think that's
not going to be relevant anymore.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
And for the benefit of our viewers, a satellite takes
images and tells you precisely, how.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Does that have to say?
Speaker 3 (29:56):
And now that is not even challengeable in the code now.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Secondly, in the present context, also our space center in
Silong is engaged in drawing demarcations across the northeastern borders
with Maya and mar and other places, because earlier they're
always dispute where to what extent strates India and then myronment.
So all this is going to make a very precise
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uh you know outcomes which will not only be meant
for warfare, but otherwise also it could be used depending
upon the circumstances in the requirement.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
So the use of.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Space, for example, in Swambittur is used for the common
man absolutely so similarly it is.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Used for the common man and then made by the
common man. Finally he becomes the master. He loves to
do it himself.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
True. True.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Let's talk about something that the government that you're focusing
on very extensively is quantum communication. So can you explain
this revolution in terms of communication, the satellite based communication.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
I'm glad you asked that, because see, we are among
just four or five nations in the world in that
elite club which has now launched officially a dedicated national
quantum mission in QM.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
It was launched by the Prime Minister only last year.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
And that also proves the point as I always keep
saying that till about two decades back, we were always
a decade and a half behind others, like, for example,
television happened in America in nineteen fifties. The famous American
election of nineteen sixty where Kennedy turned the tables on
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Nixon was the outcome of our presidential debate on the television.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Here we didn't know what is television about? What is
debate about?
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Because we got to see the first rahas aware in
nineteen seventy one said.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Two games nineteen eighties where yeah TV.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
And also only in the capital city of Delhi. True
state has got it much later. So we were always
running behind. Now it's no longer, so we are ahead
of others. And so also in the contromission and quantum
communication is going to be very interesting, both from the
point of view security, from the point of view of communication,
from the point of view of medical management. Like for example,
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in case of medical management, you have these radiations for
cancers and sometimes you have collateral damage or these cells
you are trying to focus on one cell. You also
in the process in edvertentiary destroy energy. But this will
not happen with quantum options. You would be precisely hitting
the cell that you are without causing any collateral damage
here or it will be supers Similarly, in part terms
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of communication, now you have encrypted here in mobile Yeah,
what's spared all but that and this encrypted also is
difficult to you know, uncover, but that would be virtually
impossible because to tell you precisely what you have a
server number, you have an individual identity number, which is
usually the method followed in these encrypted conversations, so that
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that maintains the confidentially.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
But there the the the I D number would be
would have to be would have to be.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
Detected by making calculation based on multiplication of two digits,
and there could be multiple, you know, like for example,
your ID number is ten, then I could be making
it could be one into one into ten becomes ten.
It could be point one in two hundred also makes
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it ten. It could be point zero zero one into ten.
So then were multiple, uh, you know, multiple.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Solutions leading on to that digit.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
Now, which is the solution which has been selected as
an identry will be virtually impossible to uncover. Once we
did a side of exercise and apparently it seemed that
it might take lacks of use.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
So it is going to be such a you know,
and that would enable us.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
To keep our information and our communication services confidential and
at the same time also avoid being infringed by others
who have that technology. So I think that is going
to be the need of art very soon. It's going
to be a part of our normal functioning.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
We are also looking at navig our own navigation satellite
guiding US.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
I mean, it's already happening, I'm told, in a very
big way.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
But how does that also benefit our people and does
that give us the kind of independence that we want
even in for example, warfare, that we are not dependent
on the American system that once held us held us
back during operations.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
Absolutely depending on others for defense, of course, and also
for other reasons. For example, if there's a sudden disaster
catastrophe happening, then we have to procure pictures of the
other satellites that might sometimes not be a very convenient option.
Here we have this also started by this government. And incidentally,
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what is fascinating is that the year twenty twenty four
ended with the speedex mission around thirty first STARTUS Severn
and the year twenty twenty five started with the Navik
which was also our one hundredth launch. Incidentally, so you
can understand how the auspicious timings of the year in
the contemporary India are being matched by our space events.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
And this, as you said, it will make us network.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
It will also give us more procedure depending on the
Indian you see Indian data for Indian solutions. We didn't
have Indian data enough in any sector of size, even
in medicin, and we for quite a few generations we
were reading textbooks written by the Western authors and applying
that treatment on our patients.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
So for the first time we started. So this navik
is also going to.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
Be an endeavor in that direction, is going to generate
our own data which would be then applicable in number
of our flagship programs in the future, Indigenous solution, Indigenous
data and Indigenous methodologies.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
You know, what you pointed out is very very interesting
that even for medicine, we were studying Western books a lot,
you know, about what they did, whereas the West was
studying so truth. The West was studying, you know, what
our ancient sages had.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Had studied in medicine.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Similarly, like in medicine, are we doing the same in
terms of science? Do we have any historical civilizational knowledge
of where we were and how we can eurogas? Anytime
you mentioned anything.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Like this, people mock you. They say, you know, they
live in a fool's paradise, But what's the truth?
Speaker 4 (36:47):
Yeah, no, I say, very nicely put by you, we
got I think now the world is getting awakened to
the tradition Indian knowledge, and this government has also set
up a separate section digitalizing tradition knowledge. And in the CSI,
which is also a STUTI with Themistry of Science and Technology,
we have set up a separate exclusive hell called TKDL,
that is Traditional Knowledge Digital Library. We are now in
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the process of digitalizing all the scriptures and the region knowledge.
Not much to learn, like for example, a small example
I'll give you in nineteen nineteen nine, twenty twenty, there
was a huge cyclone in Rosa. Correct, everything went upside down,
the poles, the electric poles, the trees and the only
one structure which remained untouched was the con arch temple.
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So I got fascinated with though I was not a
part of the government, so I engage some of the
friends who actually studied and then it was so fascinating
to understand the poles were designed like that.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
They were designed like yeah they were they would allow
the winds to you know, slip away.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
There were no corners, no, I mean, so there was
so much of knowledge based on observation and that data
we didn't have for the first time.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
Now we are and you're rightly mentioned.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
Not only in the traditional our ancient history of the
mid evil history, the Westerners are coming here. Even in
twentieth century, most of our tropical diseases or communication communicable
diseases which were which were more prevalent in the Indian
subcompetent were researched one way the Westerners.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
Now, if you go to the.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
General hospital in Chennai, which is the oldest which was
founded by the Britishers after the Calcutta that was the
second you have a small plaque outside their lap which
reads this is the room where doctor dona On works
dona On bodies in which many so they would come
to India because they didn't have these disease over there
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to study the Indian problems, the Indian diseases, particularly tropical
they would come to India. So unfortunately we didn't have
the means and also possibly we didn't have that orientation
which is now started happening.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Very very interesting, you know, because I've always wanted to
know how in times like for example, we read Raja
Ram when he came back from from Lanka to Ayodhya.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
He came on the pushbuck woman. Yes, what does that mean?
Did we have aviation in that time. What kind of
aviation did we have? We've seen some some of those things.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
So many things happening.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
Actually, we sometimes tend to make you believe or suspect
whether this was so in those times. Like for example,
now AI driven options are being worked upon where you
could have the images visual images thrown directly on your retina,
so if you're cornea's non functional, you could still see
the image.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
So that reminds you of Mahabara, you know somethings.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
So and this is this is the goverment which is
credited for having created an exclusive ministry of ayush and
particularly after COVID, the Westerners have also started taking interest
not only in yoga but also in all the other
Indian methods of management and medical treatment.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
So you men, we sign the moment you mentioned sign
the cyclone.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
There's weather prediction, weather pattern, use of satellite to study
of predictorin or to predict the weather.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
How accurate are we there? And what more is being
done in that field?
Speaker 4 (40:17):
Yeah, I'm glad you asked that. Of course, there's no
end to doing what we are doing. Only this year
after this government came in more th three point oh
prime Minister launched Mossum Mission Mossum, which is going to
give us, you know, global standards and best benchmarks ever.
(40:39):
But even before that, we have already started off and
it's already been done in some of the more rainfall
prone cities like Mumbai, like Chennai, we have three sets
broadly a long range forecast, a short range long range
of course weekly for short ranges two forty eight and
now also we have started up forecast called now.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
Now now means.
Speaker 4 (41:07):
And is so effective and so reliable that people in
Mumbai now see the what's up the app in their
watch to decide whether to carry a marilla or not.
So I was telling them you could make small jingles,
you know, to publicize it granny.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
So I mean, this is become. We have started, you know,
now forecasting even the the mysteries of nature. So we
are into it.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
In Delhi, the n c R, we are in the
process of upgrading it because sometimes, of course, to be
very modest, there were complaints last year that some of
the forecas were not happening very accurately as people expected.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Because now people are so you know, sensit.
Speaker 4 (41:52):
There's so much dependent also on the forecas and that's
because when we talk of Delhi, we talk we we
have to realize it's not of the Yore. We're talking
of l which is extended to Haryana also into so
but we are on the job. We have automated weather
stations which are known as e w s, so we
are in the process of increasing their numbers so that
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they are at frequent distances so that the forecast will
be more precise. And I think this is going to
be a completed in the next couple of months, next
couple of months, so.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
We will have accurate weather prediction for the next several hours.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
Yeah, yeah, actually so much now that even sometimes.
Speaker 4 (42:28):
For example, once I had to go for some program
and it started raining there and the DM, the young lady,
caught up and she said that the entire lipad which
they had made has gone hayy, So.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
How do you plan it now?
Speaker 4 (42:45):
So I said, wait a minute, So I checked with
my people, the IMD. They said the rain is going
to stop after maybe forty minutes like that, so that precise. Yes,
So I called up the DM. I said, how long
is this going for you to reconstrut that? She says
about thirty minutes, So I said, then what you do
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is you start off after forty minutes and I take
off after forty minutes because my flying time is also
about thirty minutes.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
Wow, so it's going to save a huge amount of time.
Speaker 4 (43:16):
Now, for those who say that space technology is a
waste of money, I think this is also one of
the answers. We are saving time, why we are saving energies,
we are saving state exchequer.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
So so much of saving of the resources is happening.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
So one of the aspects that the world is looking
at very closely, and you hinted about that initially, is
deep sea exploration. And when it comes to India, given
a huge coastline and our exclusive economic zone and others
who are trying to come into our waters, what are
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we doing there? The role of space, the role of science,
and you wear multiple hats, how do we harness that wealth?
Get that Sonik heym sal.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
I'm so glad.
Speaker 4 (44:08):
Shaved higher because this is something not talked about often,
and that is why privatestor Modi spoke about it twice
consecutively in his two Independence DA addresses twenty twenty two
maybe twenty three men because he was trying to awaken
the Indian mind to this vast wealth which is lying unexplored.
(44:28):
So in fact, there was a group of youngsters from
Australia last year, so in a lighter way, and I
told them, I said, your island called Australia, your country
called Australia, your continent called Australia, but your ocean not
called Australia. My ocean called Indian ocean. And then I
try to give them a philosophical, you know, explanation.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
America made.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
This.
Speaker 3 (44:59):
There was no banking system in place to ten JR
p K. Don't go k a hint drop you can.
Speaker 4 (45:20):
Till twenty fourteen fifteen, there was no attention given to
this vast, vast resource. As you rightly pointed out Gyaras
kilometer Lamba a coastal area or.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
And if you explored and almost.
Speaker 4 (45:35):
Twelve states lying in the explore, I think the amount
of minerals metals officially would be almost as much as
you are getting on the lad. In fact, take the
like a civil servan Kara illegal mining ABA, illegal mining.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
BB was a mana illegal fisheries water and island.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
Islands for your deep sea deep sea fishing deep fish.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
In fact, I think it's it's your government, I think,
which is focusing quite a bit.
Speaker 3 (46:20):
I want to understand your deep ocean mission.
Speaker 4 (46:23):
This in this includes all these aspects, fishery, metal minerals,
even diving into the sea to have a naked eye
direct view. Interestingly, what I am trying to discuss with
the concerned expertsssion one Indian in this space, one Indian
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deep Seamara sea bed is about aimeterm. So first would
be fifty KI trial final.
Speaker 3 (47:03):
Dp C submarine.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
And again, since this is so fascinating and there are
there are India's adversaries who want to come into this
area and they know what we have here, how does
that knowledge get spread widely that we have to spend
a lot of resources in protecting our assets in the ocean,
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that we need a more powerful navy, we need, we
need more in exploration. There's a map in the Navy
Chief's office with which I'm very fascinated by, which shows
India as the center of the world. But if you
look at India's mapsir south is you know that tip
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Yahamara matha he or b what Malay oriented approach Hamara
ocean orientation?
Speaker 3 (48:15):
We I me until this government came, I wonder why
no intention or in fact him.
Speaker 4 (48:23):
Malayaka explored, we have so many you know, states and
u territories lying in the lap of Himalaya.
Speaker 3 (48:33):
J Levender.
Speaker 4 (48:34):
You know we have now almost within three four years,
we have three thousands startups engaged in Leavender. Cultivation has
become a lucreative source of Lively Corporates B M, B
A K. So actually orientation, there's a lot of opportunities
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also for Lively.
Speaker 3 (49:11):
We are ocean.
Speaker 4 (49:15):
Space a sophisticated sector available at our backyard.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
Ham. We're a seafaring nation, yes, but seafaring.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
So if I may just kind of switch gears now
to something that India is grappling with and you are
one of the best people to talk to us about
its space or oceans hard you know in a body
can after.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
You're a medical doctor. You're a diabetologist.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
I believe you've written eight nine books on di it
is and unfortunately we are seen as one of the
diabetes capitals of the world.
Speaker 1 (50:05):
Why what do we change? How do we get rid
of this?
Speaker 3 (50:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (50:08):
Absolutely, the number of reasons. Of course, until a few years,
for a few years, we were the diaptyes capital. Now
we've also become fatal liver capital. If you go to
any op D in the hospital, every third or fourth
patient coming there for any other complaint, maybe an E
N T complaint CO cold cover. But if you take
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the history, he would be having a history, would be
having underlying diptyes which may or may not be known
to him or her or every third Indian having a
fatty liver and combined to that obesity. As Bribe mister
rightly mentioned, we are number three in childhood obasity in
the world.
Speaker 3 (50:45):
I mean they are so dubious, dubious records to have.
Speaker 4 (50:53):
Phenotype genetic Our Indian phenotype is such that we are
more prone to metabolic disorders, particularly time to dive like Cuba,
Osy studies, England Europe Team jr PI vulnerability factor just
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go home control cars to an extent their central obesity
mistal fat. Now Europeans and Americans apparently look bulky. Many
study key about is a b sallet city check a
couple of Europeans, a couple of Indians, Asians, Asian.
Speaker 3 (51:40):
Fat livered European as they can under fat. So my.
Speaker 4 (51:51):
Luckily are you know sartorial habits is also you know
design like that you can wear a six meter long sardi,
you can wear a.
Speaker 3 (52:00):
Log, you can you This is actually a storehouse or
disease or is.
Speaker 4 (52:10):
Like a central obesity is a risk factory independent of
the overall away city, whether you are theme lean otherwise.
But if you are central ubis, you are at risk
and prevalence in fact, even normally you know, even case
of these other things, females are said to be less
prival but the so I think this, these are some
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of the factors which at least can be controlled by
lifestyle modifications, by your eating habits, activity.
Speaker 1 (52:51):
As a as a diabetologist.
Speaker 3 (52:56):
Die. Yeah, but how how how you know how youllerged?
Speaker 4 (53:04):
Scientifically, there are three components of right. One is quality,
other is quantity, and third is distribution distribution.
Speaker 3 (53:12):
Distribution traditional.
Speaker 4 (53:19):
've got timing quality or quantity, This will lead to
your celer even if the quality is less quantity. So
I'm just say ideally you your Western concept which was
of course adopted from Indian and yeah, supper supper is
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the Western concept which is actually adopted from the ancient
Indian athos and supper followed by bedtime snack. So this
distribution component is ignored, which is not taken care of
any any of the most of these, you know options
(54:04):
which are being advised. So if if you listen to
what your body says, the body the actually we eat
more than what we require. H we don't need to
eat so much. So if you're if you're if you
just listen to what is your activity or a lighter way.
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Indian forest officer worker there is no more now retired
as a chief of conservator forest and died and so
I said, I was new into.
Speaker 3 (54:43):
The practice, which is how many a.
Speaker 1 (54:58):
Managem b d.
Speaker 4 (55:18):
And there's also a waste of money in fact, and
also you are consuming what some other have not might
have consumed. So this could be have being a huge
social implication. So I think we need to also enlighten
ourselves in a more holistic manner.
Speaker 1 (55:35):
One you saying we should eat less to you saying is.
Speaker 3 (55:38):
We actually is required eat as much as the body requires.
That's it. But because then the signal goes that you
are full over it, which is so true.
Speaker 1 (55:56):
I mean all of us, we just would.
Speaker 2 (56:04):
The diabetes no, And I know I'm digressing from the topic.
As a doctor, what is your advice?
Speaker 1 (56:11):
I think.
Speaker 4 (56:13):
In a single sentence, just go back to your ancestors
lifestyle and don't fancy that's also not scientifically given and
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oriental food oriental food habits. I mean this is actually
what I sometimes say, diabetes is too serious a subject
to be left to a diabotoll just alone. It has
a huge social cultural component also, we as of today
we have no definite eating habits, unlike some of the
European countries which are more homogeneous sham and so we
(57:06):
are having North Indian, we are having South Indian. We
have Italian pizza so Hamara kakha or beach Chinese week hali.
So we are all actually our social and cultural habits
are also evolving. We are very young Democracy X for
your work at Trier, whereas like for example, in Western
(57:29):
countries they would not have they'll have their own set
of you know, recipes.
Speaker 3 (57:36):
It's currently confusion in our eating.
Speaker 4 (57:40):
Which is sometimes it's cause very good for the balate,
but not always good for the gut.
Speaker 1 (57:46):
Very interesting.
Speaker 2 (57:47):
So eat for the gut and not for the palate
is your advice. So again I know I'm digressing a little.
Speaker 1 (57:53):
Like in Isa Pach it was a very important visit
not just the Brick Summit, but.
Speaker 3 (58:03):
Also the and I think you've made a record in
getting a head of state.
Speaker 2 (58:07):
Twenty sixth I believe, but it's being mocked at by
some political leaders within our country. You heard what Punjabi
finished said, he unable to pronounce even the names of
the countries he visited.
Speaker 1 (58:20):
What do you make of that thing?
Speaker 4 (58:22):
That we would have to come out of that mindset
and understand the prime minister is prime minister of every Indian.
He's not Prime minster of BJP alone so as to
make some other political party fight a fault with it.
So when they when you tend to look for that
narrow prism, then these kind of thoughts happen.
Speaker 3 (58:41):
If you grow about this, then you'll take pride in this.
Speaker 4 (58:44):
So if you look at Ghandhi, you don't say Ghanthi
of Congress and the BJP holds him an equal reverence.
Speaker 3 (58:52):
So I think we need to evolve. As I said,
we are still an evolving nation.
Speaker 1 (58:56):
But the Panja Jahajari they yeah, Joe, I think that.
Speaker 2 (59:24):
China debt trap, diplomacy, counter economic models say never that
will help all countries and they then are closer to
US global South, especially.
Speaker 1 (59:39):
Lack of understanding.
Speaker 2 (59:40):
Hey, yeah, there's political mocking democratic wing.
Speaker 4 (59:45):
But let us all accept in all humility, regardless of
what the political affreation may be, regardless even what the
ideology may be.
Speaker 3 (59:54):
Even for those who do not subscribe to the ideology
of the ruling party of the they will they not
confess that.
Speaker 4 (01:00:04):
The biggest brand massater that India today has is Prime
Minster Moody.
Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
Deep ocean mission.
Speaker 4 (01:00:23):
Much and we know his word carries greater trustworthy, does
greater credibility, greater reach.
Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
Or job.
Speaker 4 (01:00:38):
When you have to project something about India, I think
the easiest methodology available.
Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
To us is to operate through Prime Minister moy One.
It has been said.
Speaker 4 (01:00:52):
From a very narrow prism of uh view, but common
citizen of India would not subscribe to that.
Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
Just some raj uh Biharme Voter Card Revision johor vote.
Speaker 4 (01:01:22):
Supreme Election Commission is an independent body combined condition Congress.
When they would be interfering in the working of the
independent bodies I c b IH Election Commission, they are
taking time to understand that this is a government led
by Primariter Modi which does not interfere in the working
(01:01:43):
of the independent constitutional bodies, sal engage how many BJP
is a party with a difference.
Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
But you have all these opposition parties who are ganging
up and they insist that this entire exercise of the
election Commission. They're looking at the election Commission as an
extension of the bartle and the party and they're saying
it's happening at the best of the BJP.
Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
Why is it happening just now?
Speaker 4 (01:02:21):
Just they are saying it is happening at the behest
of the BJP because when they were in the ruling dispensation,
they were doing it at the behest of Congress or
the behest of the ruling party. So they think the
BJP also would to follow the same pattern as they
were doing. That's why he said BJP is a party
with the difference. They don't understand the working on. We
follow the norms of democracy within the party outside the
(01:02:43):
party in equal measure. And if it is happening incidentally
at a time when the elections are closed, I don't
think you need to attach motives to that. That means
it's a very subjective observation, or maybe it suits your
imminent prospects of defeat.
Speaker 3 (01:02:59):
You're preparing ground on an explanation for that.
Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
So when we talk about, you know the use of science,
the use of technology, can this also be used to
prevent the threats that our country faces at various borders.
We spoke of operations ind but then there's a threat
that we face on the Bangladesh border. There's a threat
that our country faced at the Mayanmar border in Manipur.
(01:03:23):
There's a threat that we face all along the India
Tibet border. Where does science and technology help India? You know,
in twenty twenty we were told that we were surprised
when the Chinese came to Tibet so quickly at.
Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
Our borders and the India Tibet border.
Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
How do you view that? No, I think we are
now much ahead of that.
Speaker 4 (01:03:41):
We have very precise surveillance systems in place all along
the border, along the international border.
Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
Incidentally, my constituency has a sizeable.
Speaker 4 (01:03:54):
Span of ib international border, as it's to be seen
to be void. How they are being deployed over there.
So these are electronic sullness monitoring systems both by thermal
detections otherwise you can even visualize and even the tunnel
detection and technologies are being applied.
Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
Both Heli Board and others.
Speaker 4 (01:04:17):
So I think we are now much ahead in that
and that's why we've been able to cut down on
infiltration a considerable measure compared to what it was Ara River.
Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
But that also is being attended to and.
Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
On other boarders like Myanmar, on India Tibet.
Speaker 4 (01:04:35):
There were sometimes you know, some contraversi or contradictions about
the exact border that's also being in that also, the
Space Department has been made a partner to actually work
out that and our yes, our center at Shilong is
(01:04:56):
also working on that also to precisely define at the market.
Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
That works in along the Bangladesh border, all.
Speaker 4 (01:05:02):
The borders wherever it is required. The Home Ministry is
also working closely. In fact, the Northeastern Council, which when
I was the donorm message that happened, the.
Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
Northeastern Council, which is earlier.
Speaker 4 (01:05:17):
Affiliated only to the Donor Mistry, has now also been
made subservient to the Home Ministry, the Ministry of Home
Affairs for this precise reason as well.
Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
So we've had a brilliant conversation and you know, there's
so much else that I would to talk to you about,
perhaps you know we will do that at.
Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
A later date. Thank you for joining me here on
the Chuck Review Podcast.
Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
Many thanks, thank you, thank you. I enjoyed
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