Episode 18: National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation (1989)

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Weird. Hello everyone, and welcome to the Chasing Chevy Chase Podcast.

(00:46):
I'm one of your host christas you have the Culture Cast,
and I am joined still as always by my two
good friends all the way from Cambridge and Shawn, Mark Begley.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
And why is the carpetal wet Todd?

Speaker 1 (00:58):
I don't know, Margo. One of the best reaction lines
in the entire movie. And the gentleman who I think
this is why Mark Begley and I are here. Let's
put it that way, your friend and mine. He's never
seen this movie before. Folks, Mike White of the Projection
both I think you mean burn rubber and eat my

(01:18):
dust exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Whatever rests.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
And yes, if you clicked on this episode of the
Chasing Chevy Chase Podcast, you know that we're talking about
the seminal Christmas classic, National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation, a film that, yes,
our dear friend Mike White has not seen before, which
I think is the one thing that would get me
to talk about this movie on a podcast, because I'm
not sure off hand I had much to offer about

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a movie I've seen every year for the last thirty
five fucking years of my life. So I don't talk
about movies like The Santa Claus very often either. And
this is kind of in that camp of a movie.
I've seen so much I can quote most of the
at least the important scenes, as I'm sure maybe Mark
Begley can as well. But yes, on this episode of

(02:03):
the Chasing Chevych's podcast, we're talking about nineteen nineteen eighty
nine's National Lampoon's Christmas Vacition. So the film is written
by God, damn.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
It, my eyes are fucking up right now. Hold on, yeah,
this to my center screen old man eyes at the
moment Hugh. Film is directed by Jeremiah s Checchick. Is
that how we're gonna say it? Is that how it's pronounced? Okay,
Jeremiah as.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
Chechick, written by the one and only John Hughes, And
it's based on characters by John Hughes, the characters that
we've already seen played by Chevy Chase and Beverly DiAngelo
in two prior National Lampoon's films. And the film does
once again center on the Griswold family, headed up by
chevy Chase's Clark Griswold, who wants to put on the
ultimate family Christmas by having both his family and his

(02:48):
wife's family in town for the holidays, and things go
awry almost immediately. So before we get two Mike's thoughts
Mark Begley, what when? How? How many times? Even because
it ain't just once?

Speaker 2 (03:03):
I wager yeah. I don't know when I first saw this,
have no recollection sometime and I don't even want to
say the early nineties, because I was watching weird movies
at that point. I had no interest in this when
it came out because I hadn't liked European vacation, didn't

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generally go see Christmas movies in the theater. That's never
been my thing, And probably caught it on cable or
something in the late nineties and was pleasantly surprised at
how good it was compared to the second film. Not
so surprised if I compared to the first film, I guess,

(03:44):
but it's not an annual staple. But I have watched
it a good I'm sure ten or so times over
the years, and it's one of my favorites of the
Chevy Chase films that we have discussed thus far. I
thoroughly enjoy it. I think it's well made. It's paced well,

(04:08):
and we've recovered from the disaster of European Vacation for sure.
And I think that Chevy Chase is in fine form
in this and still the main focus of the Vacation films.
But we've got a lot of people to fill in
the blank spots, I guess. And it's nice to see

(04:28):
so many wonderful faces in this. The supporting cast is fantastic,
and it's just it's one of those good, solid John
Hughes film For me, Yeah, I'd be inclined to agree
with most of the objective statements about the film that
you made, especially it's a good John Hughes movie, all right, Mike,

(04:49):
I think at least I know. I'm curious.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
I'm sure market yea, what did you think of national
influence Christmasization?

Speaker 4 (04:55):
Mike. So it's interesting how much of this movie has
made its way into my consciousness even without having ever
seen it. It's one of those things where you know,
it's like when people finally see Casa Blanca Casablanca and
they're like, oh, okay, yeah, I know this line. Oh
I've seen this before in another movie. Those kind of things.
This is definitely one where I was like, oh, like

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when they bring the tree home for Christmas, I was like,
I think there's a squirrel in that tree. Right, there's
a squirrel and it's not that tree, it's another tree.
But I was like, okay, I know that. I had
a coworker who came in when on Ugly Christmas Sweater
day and his sweater said I don't know, Margo very
big on it, and he was saying, yeah, my wife's

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got one that says, why is the floor all wet?

Speaker 2 (05:42):
Todd.

Speaker 4 (05:42):
So it's like there are all of these things. Are
like my family, my wife's family, every well almost every
time they get together, there's always talk of Christmas vacation.
There's this whole debate between my father in law and
my I guess uncle law where they're going back and
forth like oh, you're Eddie, No, you're Eddie, No, you're Eddie,

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and I'm like okay, yeah, Like these guys are definitely
talking about Christmas vacation. They're not talking about the original
vacation because Eddie's in that one, not in European vacation,
which might have maybe made it better had Eddie come
along with them and explored some of the on maybe
like have some bad experiences with a bidet or something.
I don't know, but it's yeah, it was just it
was strange to be able to see all of this

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stuff and then see all of the pieces around it
that I wasn't aware of whatsoever, So like the whole
thing with the Christmas tree taking over the living room,
or even who Todd Margo are. But I have to say,
I don't think it's very well put together, Like it
feels like it's missing a lot of stuff. And I
went through and I read the script, and the script

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is pretty much identical to what we ended up seeing
in the movie, even with the whole advent calendar transition
sequence that they have. It's very similar to that. But
it's like, who are Todd and Margo have? We had
experiences with Margo before the end of the movie seems
incredibly rushed. Once Brian dol Murray comes back into the

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film and then we have the whole thing with the
sewer gas and all of that stuff. It just feels
very very rushed towards the end of this movie. And
that also might play because there are two scenes that
are missing from the end of the film where there's
more of a wrap up and they just kind of,
you know, stop with Clark saying I did it and
then that's it. And I never really got the sense

(07:28):
that I never got Clark's motivation, like you're talking about
Chris as far as like, oh, he wants to get
these two families to come together. I don't think he
really likes the families. I think he likes his mom
and dad.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
I don't want I mean literally, I meant literally come together,
not I mean more than nothing, just literally because they
do not get along, correct, right.

Speaker 4 (07:49):
But it's like I'm like, is he really super excited
for the holidays? Like?

Speaker 1 (07:53):
And it's also he always overdes it. They always overdoes it,
and they do they do. I Mean that is the
one thing I appreciate about this movie that the other
movies kind of haven't mentioned, is that Clark has no
ability to not be like I don't know, is it
a perfectionist is kind of what they're getting at, or
his expectations are always out of whack with what reality
is going to be. I mean, we saw it a

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little bit in the Original Vacation where he goes ave
shit at the end. We saw it in European Vacation
where I mean, he drags his family to Europe and
then I mean everything goes awry. I don't know if
he's trying to get his family together, I don't know.
I guess, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (08:30):
I can get it a lot from those other movies,
especially the Original Vacation, where it's just like, hey, we
are going on this vacation. By the way, calling this
movie Christmas vacation is pretty bad for him because the
happening in here.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
I mean, well, it's Christmas vacation, and that that's the
end of the year vacation we all get for Christmas.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
But that's like days for most people.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
Now, yeah, most people get any time off like there,
you know.

Speaker 4 (08:53):
Also being a corporate drone, I will tell you do
not count on your Christmas bonus. Clark is such an
whole for putting seven thousand dollars down, by the way,
seven thousand dollars. This has to be an in ground pool,
because an above ground pool these days, twenty twenty five,
it's crossing about five grand to put that sucker together.
Nice twelve by twenty four pool, but seven grand as

(09:14):
a deposit for this pool. And yeah, don't fucking ever
count on your bonus, so briand Ol Murray was totally
within his rights as a corporate overlord to keep that
bonus out of the hands.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
I'll do liquors. Yeah, whoa so white everybody? What is gillea?

Speaker 4 (09:31):
If any of the people on my team at work
said like, oh, yeah, I made this deposit because I'm
counting on this bonus. Oh You're fucking stupid.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Yeah you're yeah, as some clown shit. I don't count
on anything until I see it in you know what
they say.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
There's no such thing as a sure thing.

Speaker 4 (09:47):
No, yeah, yeah, John Cusack will tell you that. But yeah,
the it's interesting how this movie doesn't really fit together
for me with some of this and just how quickly
some things result, and yeah, it just feels kind of
kind of thrown together, even though when I was reading
the script, I was like, Okay, yeah, this is pretty good,
and like they really stuck to the script like a lot,

(10:11):
Like I said, just maybe a little bit. There's oh
it's uh, it's Clark is singing. At one point he's
he finally actually sorry, he does the whole and not singing,
but he does the Night Before Christmas poem because they're
talking about that and he doesn't. I don't think he

(10:32):
actually says it in this version of the movie that
we see, but there is that in the script, and
he eventually looks outside and then he starts to turn
Night before Christmas into my you know cousin Eddie is
here with my boss wearing a chain and a bow
and all this kind of stuff. And I mean, that
was interesting that Eddie does that for Clark. But yeah,

(10:55):
it's just it's a it's a strange movie to me,
and there are some great parts, and I will agree
with you completely Mark that I think this is probably
the best chevvy chase thing that we've seen thus far.
I think this really nails it, and he gives probably
his best performance. I mean that freak out that he
had in the first movie when they couldn't go to

(11:16):
Wally World was fantastic. But him given that whole little
rant after he finds out that he's enrolled in the
Jelly of the Month club, that is fucking classic. And
of course I've heard that many times before, the whole Hallelujah,
where's the taielen all? Thing? That is awesome.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Well, that that rant and then the second rant about
you know bing Crosby dancing with Danny fucking Kay, that's
my favorite line from the movie. You have to wait
till the end of the film to get to it.
But he seems more present in this than the last
two or three things we've watched, at least, And you know,
the connection that he and Beverly DeAngelo have as these

(11:57):
two characters is always enjoyable. And her I don't know
how to properly you know this, this is what she married,
and she's she loves him, and it's all good. But
you know, at one point she's drinking the eggng there
towards the end of the movie, she just throws the
whole glass into the into the bushes, and I'm like,
that kind of sums it up perfectly for me. Their relationship,

(12:20):
and you know, whatever, he's going to do, whatever he's
going to do, and go overboard. As Chris mentioned, everything
he has to overdo. When have I ever overdone anything?
Russ He says at some point, And yeah, I mean,
I guess it's it's oddly structured, and I think that
comes with the idea of the ensemble and having so

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many people in this one.

Speaker 4 (12:42):
And we're still forever to realize that Diane Ladd was
even in this movie. She's like so backgrounded for so long.
It wasn't until the flashback and I was like, that
looks the Diane Ladd when she's in Wild at Heart
and yeah, and playing Lu's mom, you know, like the
same thing that I was like, Oh wait, that is
like John Randolph I got right away. E. G. Marshall, Robert,

(13:04):
Doris Roberts, you know, yeah, great, of course, Winning Hickey
and then even you know, was it Betty who was yeah,
Betty Boop totally yeah, but yeah, I was like, who
is that woman? Then finally I was like, oh, okay,
and dude, you're married to Beverly D'Angelo, who, in my
book is ten hundred times maybe like, not to disparage

(13:26):
Nicolette Scorsese, who I had to look up no relation
to Martin Swiss. She's attractive, but she's not that attractive.
She's nowhere near Beverly diangelod Angelo is one of the
hottest women that's ever lived.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
Yeah, I think we every time we watch one of
these we come to the same conclusion as like, why
would he be goofin with other women when you know.

Speaker 4 (13:48):
And you got that at home?

Speaker 1 (13:50):
Well, I'll tell you the final vacation film of the
original ones finally does something I think a little bit
more interesting and different with that. I think at times
this movie is very successful and at other times this
movie feels like an al Jaffy like sketch like collection
of like sketches, like vignettes. And that was that was

(14:10):
the thing. I kind of again again this time watching it,
because yes, I've seen this a lot, I mean almost
every year at this point. The lack of connective tissue
between a lot of the scenes hurts this movie because
you could just watch a lot of it completely out
of order, like just you know, this scene takes place
chronologically after the scene and ties up what happens in

(14:32):
this prior scene. But in terms of the overall narrative,
it does nothing. It could be placed literally anywhere. And
they even have like a kind of like a pseudo
framing device with the days before Christmas as a way
to kind of explain or get you the audience to
come along with the filmmakers. I mean, it's a good movie.
It's a comedy from the eighties, so I don't expect much. However,

(14:54):
to Mike's point and to your point, Mark. It's a
movie that I as like kind of seared itself into
at least the public conscious or the pop cultures. I
geist of a fair amount of people. It's not a
small amount of people. It's not as much as he
used to be. I don't know how much this movie
is being brought along by people my age and younger,
because that's the requirement, is you know, people either y'all's

(15:15):
age or my age, continuing to get movies like this
to be watched and not replaced by other Christmas movies.
And I'm not saying other Christmas movies aren't better. This
is just, you know, a Christmas movie for a certain
age of person. Like again, like, I'm not sure how
this movie would play with someone in their like teens
other than like the family of it all, which I get,
and like that's kind of what this movie traffics in, is,

(15:35):
like the holidays are fucked because families tend to be overwhelming,
and like, I think that's probably where the lasting appeal
of the movie is, is that kind of easy equation
because they get a lot of mileage out of it.
But ah, I disagree with y'all. I understand where you're
coming from. Though I think that for me, Fletch is
still the better chevy Chase performance in terms of the

(15:55):
Vacation movies. This is the best performance that he gives
of the Vacation movie.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
I still I still walk away from Fletch going I
believe this. I mean, I believe him more in Fletch
and in this movie. Again it's a little bit of
a put on, Like chevy Chase is an asshole in Fletch,
and it works in this movie. Like I just have
a hard time buying him as an asshole other than
this like self inflicted assholeery, which is seemingly what's going
on and has been going on in all these movies.

(16:22):
Because again to Mike's point, why are you fucking around
a Beverly di'angelo bozo?

Speaker 2 (16:26):
Like, what the hell?

Speaker 1 (16:27):
Well, he never he never fucks around a crop. So
he goes my wife's divorced and dead. He says it,
I mean, it says it in the subside.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
Just to be clear, I didn't I didn't mean to
say if it came out that way, that this is
the best chevy Chase thing we've seen, just that for
the last four or five films that we've watched. This
is by far and one of the for me, one
of the more enjoyable films that we've watched for the show.

(16:58):
I definitely don't think it's better than the first National
Lampoons Vacation. I don't necessarily think it's better in Caddyshack.
There are a lot that it's better than. But for enjoyment,
for me, I could I could easily watch this every year.
Half of the films that we've watched for this show
I will never watch again, oh, regardless of regardless of

(17:20):
Chevy Chase's performance in them, even it's just some of
them are really awful movies despite or because of him,
doesn't really matter. But you know, I about halfway through
the movie, I'm like, what is this? What is this
reminding me of this whole scenario of these two sides
of the family and the house grandparents specifically. I was like, Oh, yeah,

(17:43):
this is pretty in pink times vacation. Well almost as
the Sandals too, with the I mean sixteen candles, not
pretty in pink, That's what I meant. Sixteen candles. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
the fam both sides of the family coming in, taking
over the kids rooms, sleeping in the kids' beds for

(18:04):
for this big event, you know, and the two different
kinds of families that they are, you know, ones always
kind of trashy and the other is classy.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
And you don't get some get that from this Well
we get it from Eddie, but that's it. Yeah, we
definitely we get it from Cousin Eddi. But Cousin Eddie's
trashy to beget with. Like Cousin Eddie is is unto himself,
his own thing, you know, Like he shows up, you know,
almost halfway through the movie.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
His appearance is perfect though. That's one of my favorite parts, the.

Speaker 4 (18:35):
Best part of the movie.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
Yeah, So that's the That's and I was gonna say,
and that is my problem with this movie is this
is for me much more. This is my one of
my favorite Randy Quaid performances. And that's coming from someone
who considers Freak to be one of his favorite movies.
A performance that in that movie is I mean, I
mean everything about that performance and Freaked is is wild.

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But Cousin Eddie in this movie, every line that he
has for the most part, or the mannerisms. There's head
scene where they're drinking the eggnock together and he's just
in chevy Chase's space, like up in his face, and
you can just tell the chevy Chase like, get out
of my fucking space. Not obviously is the actor, but
as the character and one of my favorite.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
Lines in the movies.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
You know, I would be even more surprised if I
woke up tomorrow my head was sewed to the carpet,
which again perfectly encapsulates how someone like Cousin Eddie makes
you feel at the holidays, which is like, oh my god,
what what is this like psychotic person capable of I
have no idea, but I am unfortunately now in their
orbit for a small period of time, and that is

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cousin Eddie.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
He was not invited, so that you know, it's true.
He wasn't trying to get the whole family together to
have this Griswold family Christmas. But you know, here he is.
I love that they he mentions their older kids.

Speaker 4 (19:56):
He's which, well, since we have it's two new kids here,
yeah it's Riswolds. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
So that kind of reinforces my thought that it's sort
of a gag to have, you know, the swapping out
of the kids all the time, I guess, and until
we get to Vegas Vacation. I mean, does it the
original Audrey return for that? No, no, no, no, it's
the one it's two more people.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
It's Ethan Embury and I forget what the other actresses name.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
She does return, though, for the one that I think
is just solely Randy Quaid Death Noation too.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yeah, yes, Hawaiian Island Adventures.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yes she she returns for that.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
But by the way, we we did not, we did
not require as a watch for this because we're not
including that.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
So don't get any bright ideas, because well, here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
It doesn't have Chevy Chases, right, there's there's.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
That's the problem. Like it is.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
It is the best example of the worst kind of
movie being made around the early two thousands, which is
a quote comedy sequel unquote to a movie that a
comedy that nobody asked for a sequel to. Because I
don't know what what is left to be said with
this movie that the next movie doesn't say is the
funnier part because there's another movie in between now and then,

(21:12):
Like with cousin Eddie and Chevy Chase and everything. It's
and it's with the actress from Vegas vacation who plays
Audrey in that movie. So it's it's so bizarre, it's
it makes zero sense.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
Well, you know, it's the whole thing. You have to
see the scene where Fred Willard is injecting Randy Quaid
with what was it like, a toxic waste to see
how he fares against the monkey playing tic tac toe,
which I'm curious if that's a nod to modern problems.
I was curious if the all the sledge coming out
of the sewer here is a nod to modern problems

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as well. As soon as I saw the green sludge,
I was like, oh, you better be careful. You might
get psychic abilities if that gets on you. But to
go back to what you're saying before, and just to
also clarify, I don't think this is the best Chevy chase.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
Okay, so I misinterpreted, y'all.

Speaker 4 (22:00):
I just think that his performance is really fully formed,
and I can see where you're coming from. Like, I
like Fletch as a character and as a movie a
lot better than this. I will definitely watch Fletch again
before I watch this movie, which much the chagrin of
my in laws, apparently because they like to watch this one,
and they also watch Home Alone. I was getting a

(22:22):
lot of home Alone vibes from this twelve weeks because
of John Hughes Angle, I guess and Chicago, even though
this is fake, Chicago.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
Is fake, isn't it?

Speaker 1 (22:33):
My god?

Speaker 4 (22:34):
So is the snow. You know, the snow is as
fake as you can possibly get in this.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
Movie except in the opening scene.

Speaker 4 (22:41):
Oh you mean the animated sequence.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
No, no, no, no, the tree. Yeah, I was, hey,
didn't we talk what did we talk about? An animated
sequence for last Funny Money? Oh?

Speaker 4 (22:51):
Funny Yeah, Yeah, this is great.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (22:55):
You watch this movie and you think or I think
about Funny Money, and I'm just like, oh my god,
because it's kind of the same thing. It's a house
where there's a lot of people running around. That one
again felt so much like a play, and the outside
felt so much like, you know, the backlock kind of thing.
But this is so much better, and you're like, oh,

(23:16):
just thinking about relief lunacy of like you know, the
wife getting droke and the mob.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
Let's not stop stop reminding me.

Speaker 4 (23:27):
He's so much happier with this, and I'm glad, like
you know, Nicholas guests didn't turn out to be a
secret mobster or some horseshit like that and said, he's
just an asshole, that's all he is.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
There just you know, they're just a foil for his
Oh yeah, they're there to put a pin on his dude.

Speaker 4 (23:44):
Margaret Dumal to his Marx brothers.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
Yeah, and do we need to know their history? Not?
Not really, It's obvious that they've lived there for a
while and know that he's a goon, and they're straight
laced and uptight and that's just what you have to
deal with when you live around other people, unfortunately Herbs
of nineteen eighties. Yeah, that opening, see, this is the

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thing for me.

Speaker 4 (24:10):
There are talking about the Christmas tree hunt.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
This Christmas tree weird opening.

Speaker 4 (24:14):
Scene and attack them come.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
Yeah, that stunt just always blows me away. I love
it when he pls under that semi truck. And there
are moments in this movie that are so perfectly comedically
time that I appreciate, and they come, you know, every
ten minutes or so. There's one. So that's the first
one for me. And of course they're kind of recreation

(24:38):
of the famous crash and the desert that they do
in the first one, but they end up in the
right spot this time, luckily, And you know, the whole
thing of getting the tree and walking through the actual
real snow in Colorado for that scene. But the other
one that involves the snow is this never fails to

(24:59):
get huge laugh out of me. Is the sled and
you know this, it's shit. You know it's gonna go fast.
But the way that they did that is so perfectly
ridiculously fast, just a splits like a I don't even
know one point in zero zero zeros are a one
percent of a second and he's just gone. And it

(25:21):
gets me every time. And so those little, those little
nuggets throughout the film, his performance being spot on in
this one, and I I am, I gotta disagree. On
a personal level, he will always be Griz Clark Griswold
to me, the fletch stuff is not what I grew
up with watching or whatever. And I know it's I

(25:41):
get I always understand what you're saying, Chris, is that
this fits his personality more the fletch stuff, the person
of Chevy. You don't you don't buy him as a dad.
But I for me, that's the whole point of the
Griswold family. Is that he's not a good dad, and
he's not necessarily a good hush. He's not awful, he's
not you know, he doesn't beat these people or anything

(26:03):
like that, but he's he's out of his element and
and overdoes it. And I think that's kind of why
he overdoes it, is because this is not who he
really is, and that, to me works. He's sort of
the perfect guy to not be a good dad, right
because you don't see Chevy Chase, and as I discussed
on one of the episodes, apparently he is though a

(26:26):
girl dad. You know, he's got like three girls. He's
been married to his wife for decades. And that's always
a surprise to me to think about, Like, you don't
hearing all these awful stories about Chevy Chase from just
about everybody that he's worked with, and you're like, he
must be just horrendous at home, and apparently he's not so.
But those little touches throughout the film that the cat

(26:47):
blowing up is just again, so it's like perfectly time,
the woosh of the fire, when uncle the uncle sets off,
the stories to Christmas Tree. That stuff tickles me. And
why I think I like this as much as I do.

Speaker 4 (27:02):
Well. Apparently Chris Columbus was supposed to direct this. It's
just like I had such a bad time when I
met Chevy Chase. I don't want anything to do with them.
Can you guys tell me a little bit about the
attic stuff, because I think there were two addicts scenes
in the script, and that might just be one addict
script or one addict scene in the movie. He finds

(27:23):
all those old gifts? Did he forget those up there?
Is that what we're supposed to gather? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (27:30):
Yeah, like when he did this, he's done this before, hiding,
and he's hid them so well that he hasn't remembered
to go back and get them. Yeah, all right.

Speaker 4 (27:40):
I was very confused by that. I was just like,
why are these Mother's Day gifts up here? Why hasn't
he given those to Beverly D'Angelo.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
Yeah, And that's that's my understanding of it, is that
he does this and then oh, then he doesn't remember
to go get the gifts or he can't find them
because he's hid them so well. All he has to
do is has to do is walk up the steps
and put them up there. I mean, no one else
is going to be going up in the attic, right,
so why he has to find a little crevice to

(28:10):
shove them in. And that's really the only scene where
we get the typical slapstick humor from him with the
boards and I don't mind that scene so much.

Speaker 4 (28:18):
Well there's that. There's a ladder scene as well. Well, yeah,
looked very much like a certain friend of mine who
recently had in it.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yeah that uh right, when he pulled that out, I
was like, oh, yeah, there's ladder play in this, and
I wasn't on that kind of it. I wasn't on
that kind of ladder, but uh and not quite that
high but just about when I had my little accident.
So it was actually kind of giving me anxiety watching

(28:49):
those scenes. Wow, which I totally believe.

Speaker 4 (28:54):
That attic scene is also where we get to see
Clark kind of reconnecting with his past with those home
movies and everything. But again it's just like, well, Okay,
you know, it's weird because I don't know, maybe it
is the assholeishness of chevy Chase that's keeping me from
really connecting with him as far as being like very
into Christmas, because there are some people that are really

(29:15):
into Christmas. Like, yeah, I've got a coworker who it's
like October first, and she'll be like, Okay, it's now
so and so many days to Christmas. It's like, lady,
you need to wait. We haven't even hit Halloween yet.
We are nowhere near Thanksgiving. Like maybe we till November first,
But even with the local radio stations around here, when they,

(29:37):
you know, start pumping out their Christmas music, it's literally
the November first. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no,
day after Thanksgiving then you are allowed, but not one
minute beforehand.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Yeah, it's not even that. It's not even that. We
don't even get the sense of that with Chevy Chase
like that, I think, Mike, to your point, maybe my
biggest missed opportunity is of all the things.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
And places for them to go. This is what you
just say, Yeah, stay in her home.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
Yeah, stay at home. I mean, like again, I get it,
there is plenty to be mined at home. I'm not
saying there isn't like we barely see their home life
in any of the other movies, you know, two for Jack,
you know, you know, one for Clark. We saw that
in European Vacation, and then we saw a little bit
of their home life in you know, the first movie
when they were going to buy the car from Eugene
Levy in actual Chicago in that movie, not fake Chicago

(30:23):
in this movie. I think that's probably my one of
my biggest kind of peeves about this movie is, like
you said, the vacation of it all, it does kind
of almost feel like it should have just been its
own thing. But then, what do you call it when
you've got you know, Chevy Chase to do it?

Speaker 2 (30:37):
Yeah? Exactly.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
Yeah, I mean again.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
You're stuck with the title. I mean, there's no going
around this.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
Yeah, stuck with the title. And yeah, it almost it
almost makes yeah to your point, both your points, Like
it makes me wish that Eddie had been in European
Vacation because it might have salvaged that movie, which I mean, again,
I enjoyed it more than y'all, but even having Randy
Quaid in it a little bit would have been great.
And they clearly understand that because they brought him back
for this movie. And this is only the third vacation,

(31:05):
so he's in two of the three so far, and
he's in the next one, so he's in three of
the four, So European Vacation ends up being aside from
the new remake, which is the one I'm leaving out,
He's in three of the four Vacation movies, so his
his not being in the European Vacation film does hurt
that film overall one percent. Because again, I think the
best lines in this movie are Cousin Eddi's. I think

(31:27):
the best characterization is Cousin Eddi because I believe that character,
like that is Randy. That's just Randy Quaid, like like
you said, Mark with the with the sledding where he's
just like bingo, like you get some real nice clark
like shit like that those lines you warned them. Yeah,
like those those lines and that performance from Randy Quaid

(31:48):
is just it's it's fantastic. But there is a issue
again of this movie just kind of not feeling like
a movie but more just like a bunch of vignettes
because like, yeah, they go sled aging and they go
they go like what Christmas boxes? Can we check? Let's
check them? Is kind of what this movie feels like,
which I mean, you know, you know, you know, there
are episodes of The Simpsons where they go to other

(32:10):
countries and we have the same problem.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Same with the vacation movies.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
It's like, at what point are we hewing to the formula?

Speaker 2 (32:16):
No pun intended, there's no, it's not a story. It's
not a three act structured film, these these movies, and
I'm fine with that. I don't have to have that
in every movie I watch. It's a vibe.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
Movie is a vibe more than anything else, right, And.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
They throw in the bonus thing as are whatever. It's
not a red herring, but.

Speaker 4 (32:40):
It's the through line of the movie definitely.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
As much as there is the pool.

Speaker 4 (32:43):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, which sorry real quick, don't mean
to interrupt you, Mark, But when he is looking out
at the pool area and starts to have fantasies about that,
and then the Mary from the store, uh, the Scorsese
character comes back again in that fantasy totally like Phoebe

(33:05):
Kates from Pep Kates, Oh shit, what's her name? From
Fast Time's a Richmond Hot? And then Klein's wife. Yeah,
it's so reminded me of that scene. But when that
little girl is downstairs and surprises him, I really expected
him to turn away from that window and somehow for
us to know that he's got a massive erection. I mean,

(33:25):
totally inappropriate, but just like I really was expecting that,
Like he's pressed up against that window. I was just like, man,
he's probably fucking that wall right now, think about brad Chick.
But no, you know, and that SAME's the sweetest scene
of the movie, is him with that little girl.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
Yeah, and I was thinking the same thing. And there
is one point when her eyeline kind of goes down
and I and I was expecting like a shocked face
and I'm glad they didn't do that because wildly inappropriated
with a child that age in the scene. But at
one point it does look like she looks that way,
and I was like, oh, and then it cuts like

(34:04):
super fast. I'm like, maybe they shot something weird and
decided not to use it. I don't know, but yeah,
that that would have been interesting for whatever. I don't
even know what this film is rated. They get an
effort in so on, assuming it's PG. Thirteen. We don't
get bever lea'angelo's tits in this one, so it's not
our Oh I.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
Didn't give Beverlely d' angelo's tits and last one either.
It was only the.

Speaker 4 (34:27):
First we did. It was just an implied tittage.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
Yeah, it was the nurishing in the video, but we
don't actually see it.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Yeah, right, and there were the naked gals in the
club that they go to. But I still think that
one was was not our either, if I'm not mistaken.
It was though, just the first one.

Speaker 4 (34:44):
Those breasts from air plane too. It's still pugy fine.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
Yeah, but by eighty nine, I think if they had
had four pairils of boobs in this, they would have
been pushing it.

Speaker 4 (34:53):
Through two Reagan administrations wearing yestration.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
Now. Yeah, and hey, you know what we're all so,
you know, some how in one day talking about a
movie where they have Julia Louis Dreyfus as the villain.

Speaker 4 (35:05):
Like wise, yeah, that is interesting.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
Sure, I guess, Well she's I mean again, like that's
the asterisk. I mean again, like that's the that's the trailer.
That's the only trailer that I'd see. The dey trailer
I saw is that she's in the movie.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
So she doesn't see that she is a person and
she's a marvel villain, isn't. I mean the stuff that
I've seen her in so far the show I can't
remember what show she's in, Captain America the and.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
Winter Soldier Winter Soldier, yeah, or Falcon in Winter Soldier
whatever it is.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (35:36):
And then she shows up at the end of Black
Widow and I think she's in a couple other things
and it's like, yeah, what, I don't know what her
motivation is. I don't know who her character is, but yeah,
it's so. I mean, this is pre Seinfeld Juli right,
she's me snl oh, She's fantastic.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
Yeah, she's great. I mean like, I like, mean, like
more to the point again, not to ruin anything, Like
I like Melouis Drif's, Like, she's really good when they
let her just be mean.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
She plays bitchy really really really well. I didn't realize
that Christopher Guest had a brother, and now I like,
can't unsee it. I looked at it. I realize that
everyone in a while.

Speaker 4 (36:16):
I see it on the face, but not that much
like he's the look.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
On his IMDb page though, because that's how I realized.
And I'm like, Nicholas Guest as as Tony as Todd,
and I'm like, who's this?

Speaker 4 (36:30):
I was.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
I hadn't watched the movie yet. And I'm like, well,
he sure looks like Christopher Guest and sure enough, and
it's in this it's hard to tell.

Speaker 4 (36:39):
Was it a Walter Hill movie that where it's like
all the guys playing, yes, all the brothers. Yeah, see
in that too, was.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
It the Yeah, and Randy Quaid and Dennis Quaid as well,
the Carroting the Carroting brothers. And I remember seeing that
on TV years ago on elemon It it's probably horse crap,
but I loved it. Then I'm like, oh, they got
all the brothers together anyway, Yeah, yeah, they look a
lot alike in certain angle. At certain angles, it's like,

(37:08):
oh yeah, I totally see it now.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
I wouldn't ever guess that in a million years. So
just watching the.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
Movie, and I love the uh ice missile. It's one
of my favorite gettings and all that's another one I
will know.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
Timing on those things is just like is perfect that
thing just bazooka is out of there and credits through
the window.

Speaker 4 (37:26):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
Yeah. Yeah, even this.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
Movie that are just you know, it's we've it's it's
part of the pop like the little the Wally World
glasses that's like a thing now I mean you can
buy that in ear rings, you can buy that as
an ornament, you can buy it like literally to have
like that. You know, I have a pair of Clark
Griswold Christmas vacation socks like and and one foot is

(37:49):
him with like the Santa Alfan on and the other
one is that like jacket that he's wearing with the
pajamas that have the dinosaurs on them. Like that's again
like this is a movie that has kind of again,
parts of it have transcended the movie itself, like beyond
what the what the movie ever could have anticipated?

Speaker 4 (38:07):
Oh you know, you know, I had no idea, Like
I listened to We Hate Movies the podcast, and there
are so many times where Andrew Jupin says bend.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
Over and I'll show you and I'm yeah, which I say, well, yeah, exactly,
say that fairly often as well.

Speaker 4 (38:24):
And there's there's a line I'm like, oh, okay.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
I say, yeah, but it has nothing to do with
this movie.

Speaker 4 (38:33):
Yeah yeah. And I really even like the reveal of
cousin Eddie that they get the the lights all lit
up and then that great thing going around and everybody
they's so happy about stuff, and then they like comes
over and it says hello to Ed and he's got
Catherine there with them. I think that's her name. His

(38:54):
wife barely in the movie, but I think the daughter
is in the movie more than she is.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
Yeah, I mean, what could possibly ruin this moment for him?
Right right?

Speaker 4 (39:06):
And there he had, Yes, he's had his moment of playoff.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
Yeah, he finally got it. Well, he didn't finally get
it to work. He thinks he finally got it to work.
And it's beautiful.

Speaker 4 (39:15):
And I mean, I think Homer Simpson definitely owes a
lot to Clark Griswold because the moment of him lighting
up the tree, I mean it's basically like I mean,
for Homer though his like display is absolute garbage, you know.
And then you like look next door to the Flanders
and there's Flanders with like, you know, crazy amounts and
they probably are all synced up to music and all

(39:37):
that kind of stuff. I'd the owle neighbor like that
kind of stuff. And it's like, but so Clark being
able to succeed, But yeah, it is like one of
his few moments of triumph, Like he does actually have
a few in this movie, which is surprising that he
gets his bonus, or is supposed to get his bonus,
that he the lights actually do come on, that it
ends up being a decent Christmas for him. I mean,

(39:58):
it's very I don't think it's mistake that they're playing
It's a Wonderful Life on TV at the beginning, because
it's kind of that moment towards the end, you know,
with Zuzu's pedals and all that stuff, where it's like,
all right, God bless us all of it, you know,
and the whole thing of like him at the end,
like the final line I did it, Like he has succeeded.
This is like the one time where Clark was wolved,

(40:20):
like really comes out on top. This is the summer
of Clark.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
Yeah, he does. And it's nice to have that in,
you know. I mean, it's fun when everything goes wrong
and blah blah blah.

Speaker 4 (40:30):
But and that might be why they cut the final
scene that I was talking about. There's two final scenes
after his moment of triumph. Everyone's going to bed and
everyone everything's good, you know, having visions of sugar plums
dancing in their heads and all that stuff, and then
he ends up seeing what's the dog's name Snots and

(40:52):
Not gives him a very let's say, longing look and
ends up humping his legs where the end and he
basically just accepts it.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
Clark is just like, okay, letting it, let it ride out.

Speaker 4 (41:06):
Yeah, you gotta let him finish, you know, come on.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
That's what because of Eddie said when it started. Just
let him finish.

Speaker 4 (41:13):
And then there is a post credit scene. I recently
watched a video on YouTube about post credit scenes, and
you know how Marvel's ruining the world because of post
credit scenes. Oh my god, you know, call the police.
There was supposed to be a post credit scene where,
you know, the way I think it's in the movie,
the way that the explosion Jennisons up the sleigh and

(41:37):
reindeer and you see them up in the sky burning
and everything. Well you get to see when they come
down and they come crashing down on Todd Marco's bedroom
of course, wishing each other Merry Christmas and holding each other. So, yes,
it does.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
I was, and Nick Fury showed out there at the end.

Speaker 4 (41:57):
Exactly, Yes, we're gonna put you in vacation to cousin
Eddie's Island or whatever that is.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
Cousin Eddie's Island Adventure.

Speaker 4 (42:08):
Island Adventure.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
Yeah, it is, it is.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
Yeah, it's an affront to what one would consider Again,
I mean, you know, comedies in the mid two thousands
were I don't know, with the advent of DVD, from
changing the vhs to DVD, a lot of things that
really had no right in being as popular as they
are got really popular.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
So there was a.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
Possibility that Christmas Vacation two might just, you know, stumble
into being a fun movie. That's not what happened, though.
Like you know, I think of a movie like Grandma's
Boy that came out literally nobody saw it in theaters,
but it had a massive life like lifespan on DVD
because of the advent of DVD, and I think that's
what they were trying to do with that movie. I

(42:50):
watched some clips from it, I have seen it. I
actually own it on DVD, which is again like not
a thing anyone else should be doing. But I bought
it from I was like, they're a blockbuster Hollywood video
that was closing because it's in the packaging of one
of those stores like that, like certain plastic slipcover and
when you open the box, it's like I said, it's
either Hollywood Video or Blockbuster, but it's.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
Not a good movie.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
And again, like this movie, I don't know how you
would make a sequel to this movie without just doing
the same thing again and just calling it vacation Vegas vacation.
So that's why I don't even understand why why did you?
Why did the world meet? A Christmas Vacation sequel that
has nothing to do with Christmas that's then set on
an island and it isn't f Clark Griswold right exactly?

Speaker 2 (43:32):
Is it because Rusty always says we should have gone
to Hawaii? Is that why they do it? No? I know,
I think he says that in the first movie and
says it in this one.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
I think, to Mike's point, it's probably just the money, money,
money of it all.

Speaker 4 (43:46):
Yeah, it's I mean, it looks like I was made
for about a dollar fifty eight, so it's very very
cheap looking.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (43:54):
It kind of reminds me of another National Lampoon property
that was a club dress.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
No, that's not club, that's not that's not that's.

Speaker 4 (44:05):
Another like there's another National Lampoon island vacation one though,
isn't there.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
Well, there's all there.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
There's a lot of those like again, like in the
mid two thousands, they were just making all kinds of
movies and throwing the National Lampoon's name and Wilder wild Man.
Wilder's fun. Then Wilder too, wild.

Speaker 4 (44:22):
By Wilder is very fun. I will completely with that, right.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
It's like it's like one of the best things Ryan
Reynolds did at that time, Like I in a lot
of ways, you know, he's been he's been playing that
character since, like oh boy. But there were a lot
of a lot of National Lampoon stuff that came out
in those like two thousands, like the twentousands to the
twenty ten's.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
Like that were just awful.

Speaker 4 (44:44):
Like no, like Orpoons the Beach Party at the Threshold
of Hell from two thousand and six.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
I wish that was a real movie.

Speaker 4 (44:51):
It is a real movie that I'm making.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
It sounds like you put it into chat GPT because
of the specific line from Christmas Vacation the Threshold of
Hell line.

Speaker 4 (45:02):
Oh yeah, no. No. There's also there's a great thing
called National Lampoon Presents Robodoc. That's robo doc, which should
not be confused with the documentary about RoboCop. This is
about a robot doctor. So yes, right, one came up
quite a blightful Yes, yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
National Lampoons everybody making quality films since when the hut
off is Christmas Vacation, Animal House? Yeah, Animal House to.

Speaker 4 (45:31):
Christmas Vacation maybe yeah, well I mean again, I why
actually I take it back loaded, weapon isn't there?

Speaker 2 (45:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (45:38):
Yeah, I was gonna say, I was I say, I
like at least parts of Vegas Vacation. It does check
a box more than this movie does, which is we
go somewhere and boy, the vibe of nineties Vegas is
strong with that movie, which was the every family must
go to Vegas families are Welcome in Vegas, which was
like the strangest thing ever.

Speaker 4 (45:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
So again, like I would say, probably the National Lampoons
movies stopped being good after Vegas Vacation, which is the
last oh unquote mainline vacation movie before we get that
again reboot that just calls itself vacation, not National Lampoons vacation,
just vacation. So yeah, you know, I I don't know

(46:20):
if twenty years from now we'll still be talking about
Christmas Vacation as much we will, you think, so, I
think the other I think that No, I think that
other things will replace it, like I think things like Elf,
things like I don't know, other contemporary things come out
that I think people are more interested in, and like
the anachronisms in this movie are going to kind of
fall even further out of like favor.

Speaker 4 (46:42):
You know, people aren't gonna remember what SAS magazine has
very much.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
But I mean looking into it spoking cigarettes indoors.

Speaker 4 (46:50):
I yeah, I remember Assassin Magazine. I never looked at
it with the flashlight undercovers. I did try that that's
sexy wasn't a maxim because Saxy and SAS was pretty
good and did some good journalism. But yeah, I think
you're right because unfortunately, Uncle Joe and David aren't getting
any younger. They're kind of like the people that I
know that love this movie. So yeah, maybe once this

(47:13):
older generation passes away. Yeah, I mean, but I'm still
holding out for like, you know, the U A Christmas story,
like that's my Christmas movie. Yeah, it comes to these,
you know, but I know christmasification. There's a lot of
other people's Christmas movie. But yeah, to your point, Chris,
I don't know if young people are watching this one
as much. Maybe I just don't you know, connect with that.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
Yeah, you know, I wondered that as well.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
I ask, you know, during the holiday time.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
I think we talked about it last year when we
did some of Richard's stuff, like what are holiday movies
that people care about? And I would always kind of
ask the people in my life that last year, and
this movie came up a lot. I mean, this is
not just a movie that I've watched a lot, and
it's not just a movie that Mark has seen a
fair amount of times. It's a movie that a lot
of I mean again, has a cottage industry surrounding it
really does of like things that you can buy, you know,

(48:05):
merchandizing T shirts, you know, all kinds of stuff and
like it not, you know, not just at the holiday time.
I mean, you know, there's there are just some movies
from the eighties and nineties that are merchandized to hell,
and this is one of them, just like Ghostbusters, just
like Caddy Shack. I'm trying to think they're like a
couple other movies that are just like merchandise to hell.
Even now, like Where's the Airplane merchandise, right, Like, where's

(48:28):
the naked gun merchandise? But I can tell you all
the Christmas acation merchandise that I'll see at Marshals and
Home Goods at the holiday time because they're gonna have
a fuck ton of it because they always do, and
that's the Christmas of it all. And I think maybe
that's where this like has the the chance to stick
it out is because it is a Christmas movie. So
the argument against can also be the argument for. Uh,

(48:49):
but you know this movie, Like I could also see
people just being like, I'm sick of this fucking movie
because I see it every year and I'm bombarded with
constant stuff, even in twenty twenty five from this movie,
Like you said, Mike, like you hadn't seen it until now.

Speaker 4 (49:04):
Yeah, my wife is so not happy with me watching
this movie. She's like, I was like, what did David
and Joe show it too much during the holidays? No,
I've seen I've seen it before. I'm like how many times?
Oh once, I'm like oh wow, And you're niece.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Like, okay, it's not a perennial classic like Home Alone,
maybe since that was the very next year. They're very
close and you know, time as far as when they
were made, and it wouldn't it. I don't think it
is stuck like that as far as people's annual viewings. Maybe,
but yeah, I mean Chris has a good point. You

(49:42):
do you don't see Home alone merch, do you. I
mean there's there's been bobbleheads and.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
There's like yeah, and there's like a Lego set. There's
a Lego set of the house.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
But I mean, like nobody else socks.

Speaker 4 (49:54):
Yeah, we're moving there from that?

Speaker 2 (49:57):
Is that walling World cups or whatever.

Speaker 4 (50:00):
There's that cameo in the second one, and I think
that guy in the cameo ended up being like doing
other stuff. There was a guy with the orange hair.
The kid asked some directions, is.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
The best actor in the second movie?

Speaker 1 (50:12):
I heard he's in the best in the greatest saying
the only scene worth watching an entire vim?

Speaker 4 (50:17):
Could I talk real quick about the music for this movie?

Speaker 2 (50:19):
Howay?

Speaker 4 (50:21):
No? How surprised it was by Angelo? By the Lamente. Yeah,
I had probably already started working with Links at this point.
If now it was very soon, Okay, he he did,
that's right, right. I really think of the renaissance of
you know, Twin Peaks and industrial symphony and hotel room

(50:41):
and those kind of things. But yeah, that's right. You'd
done the score for Blue Velvet and then pretty good
music here though, the music when Clark is sledding, I'm
just like, what the fuck is this? It was like
the weirdest music for I was like, this doesn't really fit.
But and I have to say, I never thought I'd
be sing this out loud, but I kind of miss

(51:02):
Lindsey Buckingham like that. Yeah, a Staples song wherever it
is from the beginning and end, I'm just like, this
really isn't hit me. I mean, I'm sure this is
hitting it for somebody. This probably works for someone, but
not me.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
Yeah, it's all right. I think they were really pushing
for that Christmas you know, anthem type thing that would
would be perennial for people. I like the Ray Charles
song in there.

Speaker 4 (51:25):
That is good.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
Yeah, And I was a prim like oh yeah. When
they started playing, I was like, oh yeah, I remember
always enjoying this when it comes on. I mean I
don't I don't think i've heard the song any at
any other point, but yeah, angel little bit, didn't he
do Chris am I mistaken. Didn't he do the score
for Parenthood? I think so sounds yeah yeah, because.

Speaker 4 (51:44):
I think that movie I would send forever. But I
remember like kind of a lot.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Yeah yeah, Chris and I did an episode on it
for my show a while back. Yeah, fantastic. Speaking of
Randy Quaid, I mean, if you want to have Randy
Quaid as a lead, that's how you go. Man, one
fuck up, one fucked up? Weirdo?

Speaker 1 (52:02):
Wait, parent, no tring about parents?

Speaker 2 (52:05):
Parents? I was not to say, like, wait a second,
no parents? Yeah? Parents?

Speaker 1 (52:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
Yeah, I'm like, we're uh what the second? Yeah yeah, sorry, no.

Speaker 4 (52:15):
No, that's fine, Okay, Now I have to look up
who did Parenthood the soundtrack?

Speaker 2 (52:19):
But yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a good movie to Parents.

Speaker 4 (52:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
Parents. I was talking about Parents, But Parenthood is a
fun movie too.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
But Parents is a good Randy Quaid performance as well.
But I think again, like it's more of like the
sinister that this lacks. And I think in a lot
of ways like that's you know, I don't know, Randy
Quaid's kind of been playing this character since the last
Picture show.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
Like again, just like a good.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
Old boy, but to what level of good old boy?

Speaker 2 (52:44):
Yeah? Common Clay, you know, a moron, man, He's kind
of that in the last detail even.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
Yeah, I mean one of the only things he's not
is the freaked He's like, he's literally the ring master
in Freak but he's still kind of an idiot in FREAKD.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
Like, you know, I don't know Randy wid hashend stay too.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
Yeah, well, oh god, yeah. So much of my online
like life has been tied to the name that I
use online to play video games, which is Eagle twenty
Fox two, which comes from a scene with Randy Quaid
in Independence Day. Like, I don't know something about Randy Quaid.
His performances are so I would say naturalistic is probably
the word I would use. I just don't know if

(53:23):
he's ever playing a character, if he's just not playing himself,
and you know, yeah, good or bad.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
He used to do on Twitter as Ourfucker's baby, Oh
my god, I remember those Those were some while I've
never thought I want to see Randy Quaid's ass, and
I've seen it, old man, Randy Quaid's ass.

Speaker 4 (53:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, give me the last details Randy Quaid's ass,
but not this one. Oo. Yeah, and that big fucking
beard that he's wearing. It just looks like a homeless prophet,
just like Jesus Mike.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
That just reminds me of the other thing that tickles
me is when he touches that I don't know what
that whirlingig thing is that mobile and it just amragingly falls.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
A lot, honestly for me in touch.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
The thing that we haven't talked about enough. I feel like,
is U is great?

Speaker 1 (54:12):
Gregs guy years fucking William Hickey is just Unhe in
this movie so good?

Speaker 4 (54:18):
He's always so good.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
Yeah, yeah, uh oh he's in a movie with is
he in that movie Peter Fonda? And is it ninety
two degrees in the Shade?

Speaker 3 (54:30):
Is he am?

Speaker 2 (54:30):
I thinking of that movie? It could be Yeah, and
he and like even back then that was I think
in the seventies. It's like, oh man, he's been old forever.

Speaker 4 (54:39):
He's been Oh yeah, we talked about him. I think
he's a wise blood the youhn Houston fell.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
Oh maybe That's what I'm thinking of.

Speaker 4 (54:45):
Yeah, and he looks so incredibly old in that even
though Yeah, and then he's like what they say I
was reading in the Trivia's like twenty years younger than
the woman that played Betty Boop, the grandmother or the
aunt I should say, and it it's like, oh, well,
sure doesn't look it. I mean, especially if he's got
the bald cap and the the toupee and everything. I

(55:06):
was like, that's that's nice. I'm trying to remember. There's
one line that makes me laugh a lot. I think
it's when they're having dinner. And it's not the line
of you know, working on a bone or whatever, which
I've heard of I don't know how many times.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
Oh yeah, yacking on a bone.

Speaker 4 (55:21):
So yacking out a bone.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
Thank you, yacking on a bone. I was just yacking
on a bone.

Speaker 4 (55:25):
Clark was is he talking about like aliens or something?
And then Eddie's like, really Clark, And like just Clark's
reaction to that is great, I mean pretty Again, I
think the movie for me really succeeds when it's Chevy
Chase and Randy Quaid on screen together, you know, And obviously,
I mean it's the it's the dichotomy between the two characters.

(55:48):
And obviously also I mean again, Shitter's full stuff like that,
you know, the snobs versus snobs of the movie.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
I do appreciate.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
Yeah, like I'm glad that there is some of that
caddy shack niss to the movie of having you know,
kind of you know, you have cousin Eddie back and
like that you can have a built in like pressure
point there. Yeah, I I this might I was controversial,
but I think this is probably my favorite vacation movie.

Speaker 4 (56:12):
I for me. Don't you think that's controversial. Yeah, I
like a lot of people's favor I.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
Yeah, but I but the problem is, like the original
Vacation is also really good.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
So it's like, you know, like I don't know if
I like it more in the first one or not.
Oh boy, that's tough.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
But see it's you know, the first one's really good.
It's like they are parts of that first movie. You know,
was quoting it as recently as yesterday. He kept up
for about twenty five miles, and then his little legs
gave out, Like I quoted that movie as recently as yesterday,
Like you know, they I don't know, Like the problem
with these vacation movies, at least this one, in the
original one, is I think they almost both make a
case for like needing like this is a one A

(56:48):
this is the one B to that movie's one A
and then Vegas and European are kind of like the
you know, offhand ones like, oh, you like Vegas vacation maybe,
or you like European vacation. But I think the original
and this one are the only ones where it's like,
I think you could make a case that these are like,
you know, comedies that will continue, hopefully to stand the

(57:09):
test of time maybe because again, traveling with your family
on in the summer and traveling to be with your
family over the holidays are two things that people are
still doing up until now, so you know, until they
take that away too.

Speaker 4 (57:21):
I mean that is a real I like, the ess
of these Christmas movies is the we're going to visit
my family, but it's usually the protect agonist is the
son or the daughter, We're going to visit my family
for Christmas kind of thing. So this idea of people
coming to them is kind of different, and you don't
see that all the time. So yeah, I mean, yeah,

(57:42):
I can complain and be like, oh, well they shouldn't
have called a vacation blah blah blah, but I mean
it's different the vacation for someone Well, I think that's
how way better than some other Christmas movies like Mixed Nuts.
I think that's probably one of my least favorite of
all time. Or what was that one with Ooh Robert
Towny Junior. We were in Jody Foster. Do you remember

(58:03):
that one?

Speaker 2 (58:06):
Isn't it like a dark, dark comedy one? Kind of yeah?
I like the edge of the first film, I think
more than there's no real edge in this one. No,
that's going back backtracking to that point, like I like.
I like that it's a little launchy and stuff.

Speaker 4 (58:25):
So it was directed by Jodie Foster. It was Holly
Hunter as the main character. I'm with you, Begley.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
I think that that the first movie's edge, I think
is what this movie is lacking. But I also think
it's probably allowed to not have it because it's a
family thing.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
But I wish it. It's a holiday film, you.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
Know, it can't be as mean, I guess, which seems
I don't know. That's kind of a bummer in my mind,
kind of a missed opportunity because they kind of pull
back on Chevy Chase. I mean again, they pull back
on him being as bad as he is in vacation,
Like he's bad in vacation.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
Right, he's a he's an idiot, and I was. I
just wanted to point it out. I was correct about
William Hickey being in ninety two Degrees in the Shade
And if you haven't seen that movie, you should fucking
see it. It's crazy.

Speaker 4 (59:11):
I got a direct that movie. I think I own it,
but I haven't ever watched.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
That directed by the guy that wrote Rancho Deluxe, which
is another amazing movie with Jeff Bridges and who's his
partner and that the guy from Law and Order Terry
orbut no, no, no, no, Sam Waterston, Harry Dean Stanton
and uh yeah, ninety two Degrees in the Shade though

(59:35):
it was crazy and wily Mickey's great and then Bridges
Marit of the Senate and Warren Oates just a wacko movie.
Fucking great.

Speaker 4 (59:45):
Anyway, real quick, I wanted to say the whole thing
with the crazy ant and the wrap it upper Cat
or Jello Bowles.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
She wrapped it from danagechat. Yeah, it is a great line.

Speaker 4 (59:55):
I mean it kind of reminds me of some of
my relatives where it's like, for years I was getting
used books from one of my relatives and it's like,
quit giving me your garbage, you know, like I appreciate
the idea of giving books, but also it was like, hey, listen,
I've known you for twenty years now, maybe you should
know my taste and stuff. The stuff you're giving me

(01:00:18):
is just looks like cast offs from the bargain table
at the library. I really don't need this in my life,
Thank you very much. Like you can't give me used
books as your main gift to me. That's more of
a here's a brown paper bag. I'm bringing it with
me to Christmas. Go through it and pick out any
books you might like. That's how you do it. You

(01:00:39):
don't give used books as a Christmas gift. I'm just
putting that out there.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
If your family's listening, some backed up you know trauma
there right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
Yeah, Jesus, I've gotten I've gotten stuff where it's like, yeah,
I know you got this last year from somebody and
you've just had it in your house for a year
and now you're giving it to me. So thank you.
Thank you for the remote caddie that doesn't fit on
our couch. Dad.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
Wow, another oddly specific thing, Jesus, Christ guys, send me a.

Speaker 4 (01:01:11):
VHS rewinder all how grateful I am, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
Do you guys have a lot of unresolved trauma we're
dealing with right here on this episode of the show.
Lots of Christmas gifts that were kissing people off. Oh god, yeah, yeah, well,
I mean that's I mean, isn't that the whole thing
about this movie? Like that's the whole point of the movie,
Like the holidays are just yet another opportunity to be disappointed.

Speaker 4 (01:01:35):
Oh yeah, I mean it's like Clark into that turkey,
you know, I mean, how disappointing is I hope.

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
It tastes half as good as it looks. And then
it's another one of those beats that kills me every time.
Just perfect, just perfect.

Speaker 4 (01:01:48):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
And it's just the way it opens.

Speaker 4 (01:01:51):
The disgusting prop I've ever seen in my life. Just
the yeah, the shit inside that looks like almost spider
webs or something.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
Yeah, the cy this and then everybody, yeah, the.

Speaker 4 (01:02:03):
Wristle and French crunch.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
Chevy Chase's face and he's like, like, I don't know what,
he's swishing the turkey around in his mouth or swishing
water around his mouth get rid of the taste of they.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
Like, yeah, and then when he eats the Joe that's
got the cat food in us.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
Yes, we get some pretty good we get some good
Chevy Chase mugging in this movie. A couple good momentary
mugging moments for sure with mister Cheffi Chase.

Speaker 4 (01:02:26):
Like I said, I think it's probably his best performance.
And of all these movies we've watched, I'm like, Okay, yeah,
you're really you're nailing this role. And I appreciate that
he is.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
He is present.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
I think you I think, yeah, Begley, you said it best,
Like he really is more present here than he has
been in fucking most things we've seen. And you know,
some of the things I.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
Can't exactly blame him for not being present for, like
Caddish to.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
Money or and you know this, however, like I'm glad
he showed up for this, because this is worth showing
up for.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
This is that good.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
I mean, it has its problems, but I think that,
you know, I think that the quotability outweighs what problems
this movie might have overall. And I think the movie
has kind of shown it, you know, it's it has
escaped the gravity of you know, the National Lampoon's name.
And I think it's become a Christmas movie now, which
I think is more important for it in terms of longevity,

(01:03:23):
would be for it to be seen as a Christmas
movie less a National Lampoons movie.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
Oh yeah, it's not the National Lampoon Isn't. Isn't front
and center even on the posters release kind of.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
Know what even calls a national input It is called
Christmas Vacation, You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
It's it's in between the poster, at least the main
poster with him being electrocuted. It's in between his name
and the title of the movie. So it's kind of like,
you know, it's it's not that important the other ones
that's right on top of the title, right, National Lapoon's Vacation,
National Lampoons, European Vacation. It's not on there at all
for Vegas vacation.

Speaker 4 (01:04:00):
So what I the line that I was talking about
before it was Wendy says, I heard on the news
that a pilot spotted Sanda sled on its way from
New York really Clark, Yeah, where Randy Quay That's just
like what yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
And then he likes out of my fucking really man
like for him him trying to figure out how to
fold his hands. Oh yeah, they're gonna say that for Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:04:23):
I love those little things like oh I'm putting in
a pool, I can't swim, Clark, I know, Eddie, I know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
Yeah, he has the best, like the Throwaways are the best.
And you know, we we we went, we mentioned him,
but we didn't really talk about him a whole lot.
Juliet Lewis and Johnny Galecki. Yeah, Big Bang Theory's.

Speaker 4 (01:04:40):
Own oh ship that is okay?

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
Yeah, literally the fucking what whatever? I forget Leonard from
Big Bang Theory. He never has to work again, you
know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (01:04:50):
Forever?

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
Yeah, right, good for him. I'm on a commercial though
last night with her. They're on a commercial together acting
like their husband and wife, and I'm like.

Speaker 4 (01:04:58):
Oh, hey, I just watched I just watch him and
Juliet Lewis.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
No, no, no, him and the girl from Big Bang Theory.
It was kind of Hailee Kwako Yeah Kaylee Quaker Iowa No,
I don't remember what he I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:05:11):
But Adam Juliet Lewis NEPO baby, but probably one of
the better NEPO babies.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
I mean, coming from you would know, I mean, how
many people even know she's a NEPO baby, right, who
knows always Lewis LUs lives, who knows Jeffrey Lewis in
this in this world? You know? It was like, I mean,
I know the three of us do, but I think by.

Speaker 4 (01:05:31):
The time big thing for her, I mean like before yeah, like, yeah,
she was in Meet the Allow Heads and my stepmother
is an alien, but like nineteen eighty nine, I mean
she she was kind of up there with like Parker
Posey as far as like queen of the Indies, you know,
and like queen of the mainstream stuff too, like National
Natural Born Killers and California. I mean, she used to

(01:05:52):
be in some of My Fear. Oh yeah, what's edon
Gilbert Great? Yeah, Hate Fear was really put her on
the map hole shit. Yeah, I mean that was two
years after this.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
I mean, and I I know that I had seen
all those movies you just mentioned before I saw this
because I was surprised when I saw her. Introduction for
me was Cape Fear, And then I saw California theater.
I saw Natural Morren Killers in the theater.

Speaker 4 (01:06:17):
Yep, what's eton Gilbert Grape.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
I didn't see that in the theater, but I saw it,
you know, when it came out on video, and so
I had stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:06:25):
I was seeing California Romeo's Bleeding. I didn't see Husbands
and Wives. She's fantastic in Husbands and Wives too. What
was the other I even saw? I mentioned Mixed Nuts earlier.
She was in Mixed Nuts and I saw at the
fucking theater. How was I able to go see all
these movies during the nineties when I was in college.
I guess it was because I was working at a
movie theater.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
Hey, yeah, and yeah, so he's from Dustill Dawn.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
Fuck and then oh, sorry, from dust Till Dawn, Jesus.

Speaker 4 (01:06:51):
From Magnum Opus the other sister, Oh that happens open up.
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
I had seen her in all those before I ever
saw this, because I was like, oh, my god, she's
in this. This must have been one of her firsts
or whatever. And then him I didn't recognize until years
later seeing it and going, oh, you know, it's a
big bang theory kid. But at the time that I
saw it, I don't think I knew who he was.
But yeah, that just I think reinforces my personal theory

(01:07:21):
that it's just kind of a goof that they do that.
They constantly recast the kids, especially with Randy Quaid mentioning
his kids from the first film being older.

Speaker 4 (01:07:32):
Tessays I'm the best kisser. Yeah, yeah, I always get
Johnny Galachi and okay, uh, do you guys remember Men
in Black three? Did anybody watch? Yeah, the space Alien
that Knows the Future?

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
Wow? So the guy from A Serious Man, A Serious.

Speaker 4 (01:07:50):
Man, Michael shool.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
School barg Yeah, he's a doctor Strange's friend in the
MCU movies or he like his Matt, He's like mad
at him. And remember in Multiverse of Badness, like sitting
in the audience together, he's like, both of my cats
died and he's like, oh yeah, I lost people too, like,
which was a really weird scene. So you get Michael Stolebargain.
Johnny Galleci confused, I do. They kind of looked like

(01:08:13):
one another.

Speaker 4 (01:08:13):
Yeah, I think shape of their jawline or something. So yeah,
I don't. I don't know why that is. But when
I was watching Men in Black three, I was like, Oh,
it's that dude from uh from The Big Bang Theory.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
Yeah, yeah, no, Johnny Galecki, Baby, yeah, I love that.

Speaker 4 (01:08:28):
I think I mean, is fantastic. Yeah, I see him
and he's always so good.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
I don't know Johnny Galecky for anything other than this,
you know what I mean, Like it's this and Big
Bang Theory and that's it.

Speaker 4 (01:08:39):
He also reminds me a little bit of Dan Levy
for some reason. Maybe see eyebrows.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
Ah, yeah that I can see.

Speaker 4 (01:08:47):
Yeah yeah, no, But I'm kind of I kind of
want to keep talking about this movie just in order
to delay us having to watch the next movie we're
going to be talking about, because I'm I'm dreading the
next episode. I was, I was actually looking forward to
seeing National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation just because it is so
much the part of the popular culture. But nothing but trouble.

(01:09:10):
Fuck me, that's what.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
Fuck you, fuck me, fuck all of us, because it's
I've already done an episode on it, guys, It's good boy,
I've worked.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
I'm going I'm very curious about it. And no my
my my co host on Cambridge and with Sean Is.
He keeps asking when I'm like, dude, we haven't even
recorded it yet, and once we recorded, it's going to
be another six months before it comes out. So he's
he is and anticipating it the Cambridge to you with Sean, Yes, right,

(01:09:45):
which one of us is? Which?

Speaker 4 (01:09:46):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
Yeah, give me a badge and you and yeah, he
can't wait. So we got at least one person anticipating
that episode.

Speaker 1 (01:09:59):
No, we're going to be joined by Father Malone on
that episode, who will probably spend part of his time
defending the film.

Speaker 4 (01:10:04):
I'm sure he will.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
I'm looking forward to finally watching it. But I have
a feeling this is gonna be one that I chunk
up over a week.

Speaker 1 (01:10:12):
I think here, it's gonna be one where when we
get back on the next episode and we talk about
nineteen ninety one's Nothing but Trouble, Mark's gonna go. I
don't want to record with you guys anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:10:22):
I'm done.

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
I'm done. I'm not just done. I'm fucking done, thank
you very much. But we will be joined.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
I'm close a couple of times. We know that's we
keep tempting the man.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
Send for the man, don't tempt him, don't tempt him.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
But uh yeah, until then, until we come back and
talk about nineteen ninety one's nothing but trouble, where can
people find you? And the things that you work on
Mark Begley.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
You can find my two shows Wikipivy and Cambridge with
Sean Over on Weirdingwaynewedia dot com, Apple Podcasts, Spotify.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
Mike White, writer of The White Lotus. Where can people
find you?

Speaker 4 (01:10:59):
Well, you can find most of my work on HBO,
which is now called Max. We've changed our color scheme
now from blue and white to kind of a gray,
which is really out catching that Roku screen. Yeah yeah,
I mean I mentioned Parker Posey. Parker and I have
had a great time shooting that last season. So yeah,

(01:11:21):
just check me out there. Don't forget that Chuck and
Buck is still available on DVD.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
And if you want to check out what the other
Mike White does, he does a podcast called the Projection
Booth Podcast. The guy that you're often confused for Mike White,
the guy who does the podcast. Oh yeah, we're all
confused me. You can find me at Weirdingwaymedia dot com,
where all the podcasts I work on can be found.
But more importantly, the shows that I don't appear on
can be found, like adestv Ladies like Projection Booth, like

(01:11:48):
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and we're here for you. We make the content for you.
It's not like we don't enjoy watching movies.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
That's the secret. We hate.

Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
We actually hate watching movies. So that's the we're letting
you in on. It's you stuck around to the end
of this episode. Now you know the truth. So you know,
I kid, I kid. We'd be doing this even if
nobody listened, which is, you know, possibly also the case.

Speaker 4 (01:12:22):
I mean, I don't think they have too many listeners
for this one.

Speaker 1 (01:12:26):
Well, you know, I don't want to be doing pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
Yeah, it's doing pretty well.

Speaker 1 (01:12:30):
Yeah, All of a sudden, Mike White is the Richard
HadAM of this show where nobody.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
Listens to this thing?

Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
God, where have I heard that before? And yeah, as always,
like rate and review this show on iTunes, like rate
and review any content you get. Interact with content creators,
be it either on Patreon or on iTunes or YouTube,
wherever you get your content interact with the content creators
because they appreciate it, and uh yeah, they being us
because we're part of that group of people. So yeah, well,

(01:12:58):
we'll be back next month to talk about nothing but
trouble and around the bend on the last kind of
handful of movies for the Chasing Chevy Chase podcast. Thank

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