Episode 4: Under the Rainbow (1981)

Surprisingly, not the nadir of Chevy Chase's career but it might be close!  Steve Rash's Under the Rainbow, a fictionalized recounting of the little people actors from The Wizard of Oz taking over a hotel across from the MGM soundstages. Against this event is story of Arch Duke Franz Ferdinand's son being hunted by the son of Gavrilo Princip (Robert Donner). Fortunately, the Duke is protected by Bruce Thorpe (Chevy Chase), his intrepid guard.  

Episode Transcript

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Weird. Hello everyone, and welcometo Chasing Chevy Chase and a Chevy Podcast,

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the podcast where we talk about ChevyChase and the movies that he's been
in. That there's nothing that creativegoing on here, I mean other than
the fact that I one of thehosts of this show, Christashi, and
joined by my two close compatriots inthis journey through the filmography of mister chevy
Chase. One of the one ofthe hosts, the host of the Projection
Booth podcast, mister Mike White.The pearl is in the river. I

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knew it. Whoever got picked firstwas doing that line. Find another one,
I could say, you dropped yourdiaphragm. That was number two.
Okay, let me find another oneone And also all the way from Cambridge

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and with Shawn and wake up Heavyyour friend and mine. He's ed Begley's
father, Mark Bank. This lookslike an aerial view of an unemployment line.
And uh, because I'm sure youhave no idea what we're quoting,
because why would you. On thisepisode of the Chasing Chevy Chase and a
Chevy Podcast, we're gonna be talkingabout nineteen eighty one's wildly problematic comedic film

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titled Under the Rainbow. So thefilm stars, like we've already kind of
alluded to Chevy Chase. It alsostarts Carrie Fisher, Eve Arden and the
one, the only, the iconhimself, mister Billy Party and uh the
film is uh, well, it'sit's based on the creation of the film

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The Wizard of Oz, and thenit also draws inspiration from the plot of
The Wizard of Oz. And thenit also draws inspiration from the framing device
of the Wizard of Oz. It'sreally inspired by the Wizard of Oz,
maybe not in the way that youwould expect. And it's all about a
hotel in Los Angeles across the streetfrom the MGM studio and the convergence of

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a of several groups of people atthis hotel. Uh. Yeah, that's
that's a nice gonna be lots there'sgonna be lots of mix ups in this.
Yeah, it's a comedy of errors. Yes, my favorite, my
favorite thing, So yeah, Iwill Uh this is one that I think
the three of us were pretty excitedto talk about because we brought it up

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several times as in like, arewe gonna watch this? Is this something
we're gonna watch, so, Mike, I'm gonna kick it to you first.
What did you think of Under theRainbow? I used to watch this
on cable a lot and that itwas pretty funny because as I was watching
it again for the show, Ibarely remembered anything from this movie. I

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just know that I saw it aton. I mostly remember, and this
says a lot about me. Imostly remember Carrie Fisher in her underwear.
That was pretty much my biggest memoryof it was her in the underwear.
And then maybe a little bit ofthe dog gag that we have going on
through here, the dog named Strudelthat keeps either being killed or suicided and

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the getting of a new dog.And apparently, and this doesn't really come
through too well in the finished film, but Eve Arden as the Duchess,
she can't see very well, soyou can get any type of dog,
or even just a muff with acollar on. And I think they cut
the muff diver line, now thatI think about it. They cut a

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lot of those lines. Yeah,yeah, but yeah, it was great
to revisit this one. And yeah, just to see Makeo in here.
I really like him and it remindedme of how much I liked Cork Hubert
or Hubbert when he was around.Yeah, I was kind of oddly delighted
going back and watching this movie,which I probably shouldn't be because by all

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intents and purposes, this is avery bad film. How about you,
Mark. This was one of myfirst time watches. I remember when the
film came out and it was universallypanned, and I was pretty heavy into
Chevy Chase at that time and allthings Saturday Night Live. So it probably

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was something that I wanted to seeand then decided not to or I mean,
I wasn't able to drive myself tothe theater, but I probably just
didn't push it on my mom oranything or anybody else to go see it.
And I don't know how I wouldhave taken it. I probably would
have enjoyed it more back then asa kid than I did yesterday when I

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watched it for the first time.But it was interesting. I was surprised
that what eighty five percent of ittakes place in the hotel. I wasn't
expecting that. I thought there wasgoing to be more antics on this set
of quote unquote The Wizard of Ozand other I had no idea. It
was like spies and Hitler and theJapanese invasion and all that stuff rolled into

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it, and how all these differentfactions merge on this one hotel on the
same day and you know, mixups ensue. So it was it was
interesting, but this is probably notone that I'm going to go back to
afterward. I was getting a lotof nineteen forty one vibes from it,
well, especially the whole Japanese invasionthing. I was going to bring that

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up because of the script and howthat opening is changed drastically from what's in
the script, and reading that parton the Japanese bode, I'm like,
well, did they cease nineteen fortyone and say no, we can't do
this, it's kind of already beendone. Or was it just to simplify
the story because most of the restof that stuff is tossed out as well,

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other than the opening with Hitler.Chris, what did you think of
Under the Rainbow? Oh, I'mstack rock. No, I was just
going to I was going to passit to Chris. Well, Mike,
we can no longer be friends.I am so deeply offended that you enjoyed
such a problematic film I mean theusage of the word Japs and nidgits.

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How dare they? No? Inall seriousness, I mean, this movie
Sovie was made in a time anda place where these kinds of things were
not only okay, but I thinkyou know, they were expected. And
then on top of everything else,it's a period piece. So again I'm
not necessarily saying giving the movie apass, but I understand what the movie's

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doing. I think the problem withthe movie is, for the most part,
it's not that it's you know,problematic or offensive. They said the
weird Midget, It's just not funnyfor the most part. And there's like
a lot of this movie that's notfunny. The fact that Chevy Chase in
this movie. I why is ChevyChase in this movie? Is my question?
Like why is Carrie Fisher in thismovie? In a lot of ways,

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like they they are not utilized tothe fullest of their abilities, and
the people that are are fine,but the movie seems like a really like
it's a bizarre idea. I wassharing that I was watching this movie with
a friend of mine and they werelike, what the fuck are you watching?
And I was like, yeah,beats the shit. Out of me
even and by the end of theI mean, the movie's framing device alone

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is so bizarre and so again likeit's so on the nose, given way
this is kind of talking about andthe title alone is in reference to it's
so on the nose that by theend of the movie, all I could
think was, and that's what you'redoing, Well, fuck you then,
Like it's just it kind of soursany modicum of goodwill that the movie has

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established, and modicum is the wordI would use, because this movie is
an hour and a half, feelslike two, and it barely lands any
of its comedy other than a couplereoccurring gags. But for the most part,
like I was befuddled by this movie'sexistence because to me, the people
that are in it at the timethat they're in it, like what wow,

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good for you, I guess,but kind of feels like a little
bit of a waste of Chevy chasingcarry Fisher's time. That's what I'll say,
just at the top, year isit a bad movie? Hey?
Bad is so insanely subjective. Ijust don't think it's a very funny movie,
which I think if we're talking abouta movie that's billing itself as a
comedy. That is a problem ifyou're not able to actually elicit any response

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from the audience that's mildly meant tobe you know, Oh that was humorous,
So I'm gonna laugh like there wasreally none of that in this movie.
It's unfortunate. The script was interesting. I was very surprised by the
differences between the script and the movie, and I think we're going to be
hitting on this quite a bit aswe talk about this, because that framing
device of Kansas nineteen thirty eight isnot there. We do get the introduction

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of the pork Hubert Hubbert character.He's part of that's more of a I
would say Overville than it is.I was thinking shantytown, but yeah,
they called it something else on thescript, and we do get him eventually,
but before we get to him,we have the introduction of that fireside

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chat that we see him listening to, and that's where we get introduction of
the Chevy Chase character, Bruce Thorpe, and he's a secret Service agent and
he's there with FDR. And it'svery, very plain to me that they
were thinking Chevy Chase when they wrotethis script. Because he is constantly fumbling

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and tripping throughout the entire script.He is gripping over his own feet,
or over curbs or these kind ofthings. And in this he's trying to
help FDR with the microphone and hescrews up the microphone, like these kind
of things. I'm just like,well, this is chevy Chase all over
and it was so odd that Ithink every single one of those pratfalls were

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cut out of the final version ofthis film, which then leads me,
or leads back to your question,Chris, why was chevy Chase in this?
Because it could have been anybody.He is so whitebred in this movie,
and they don't play on his charismavery much at all. They just
don't really play on chevy Chase verymuch at all. For all intents and

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purposes. When you read the script, this is Arry Fisher's movie. This
is any clerk trying to wrangle allthese things, and chevy Chase, his
character Bruce Thorpe, is just anotherobstacle to get in the way. And
I think that the planning on theDuke and the Duchess, it gets old
pretty darn quick, especially just theDuke being afraid of everything all the time,

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and yes, that does pay offlater in the movie, but it
also doesn't pay off. I thinkthey make one mention of Sirijevo. It
doesn't pay off that this is moreof a historical movie in the script that
he is the son of arc DukeFranz Ferdinand, and that Robert Donner's character
is the son of and I apologizeto my history teacher. I can't remember

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the name of the assassin that tookout Franz Ferdinand, but he's that guy's
son. So it's this historical conflictthat we have entered into by having the
duke and the duchess and then theassassin, and boy o, boy do
they cut the assassins rolled down quitea bit as well, though I was
laughing that it was Robert Donner playingat it Italian with a very thick accent,

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But yeah, it was Robert Donner, and I love Robert Donner.
Chris. We just saw him recentlybeing asked all about the weather reports and
if it rained last Tuesday on thatepisode of Colombo. I think he was
in one of my favorites, anyold port in a storm. I just
saw him on an episode of sixMillion dollar Rn playing nice Sattie. So
yeah, I was like, ohhim again. But he'll never be anything

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for me other than exitd or fromthis more him mendy h. He's so
good every time he shows up.That's all I think of. That was
a perfect role for that guy,and the other changes that they make that
you've already alluded to with the Duchess'seyesight, because I'm reading. I read
that script real quickly, pretty muchright after I watched the movie, and

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I'm like, did they mention theeyesight in there as to why she doesn't
know it's a different dog or not? I can't remember now. It's really
brief, and I think it's justthat the very first there's time we see
her, she says like, oh, you know, who is your friend
or something like that, like shedoesn't know who they are, rather than
she can't see them. And thenwhen she mistakes all the little people for

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children children right, But does someoneexplicitly say her eyes are bad? Does
the Duke say that? I don'tthink he does. She asks, no,
there's none of that in the movie. She asks Chevy, is that
your dog? And he's like,no, it's yours. So all the

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indication is that she can't see,but in the script, the Duke says
she can't see and she won't wearglasses because she's vain. And then,
like we already mentioned the Japanese openingbeing cut, and then this stuff with
FDR is really just the fireside chatat the beginning. He's supposed to be
in the finale where that's part ofwhy we've got all of the little people

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for the munchkins there to a paradeand wave to FDR as he's driving by,
and that's how the script ends.And all that's gone when we're introduced
to like you said, to Tohohimself and Naka Murray who's played by Miko
and this and that's also we getI mean, yeah again, it's so

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similar to stuff we've already seen,a whole tank full of pirana and that
he's feeding his pirana, and he'salso got a parrot there and at one
point Naka Murray takes a photograph ofthe parrot and that's what shows off and
introduces the gun camera that can murderanything that he takes a picture of,

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basically, which of course comes backlater in the film, but we don't
know that we don't know that he'sholding a gun in his camera the entire
time. So when he shows upand there's all of the Japanese tourists,
we also don't know who he is. He shows up late to the movie.
You're just like, oh, whois this new Japanese guy? Because
it should have just been it shouldhave been a lot more funny that he

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shows up dress exactly the same asall of these other Japanese men and talk
about just an out overplayed cliche thatyou're Japanese tourists really like to take photographs.
So it's all of these what isit, Chris the the Japanese Amateur
Photography Society, Right Photographic Society.Yeah, oh, the acronym catch the

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acronym there people without us having tosay it. Wait, are you telling
me stuff? It's not you're tellingme it has it aged well? And
you thought murder murdered by death wasbad. They set up all of these
things before we get to the hotelitself. Yeah, we've got Hitler and
little Auto played by uh uh uhBilly. Yeah, the whole thing too.

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Of when we've got the Hitler scene, they make a big deal about
one of the guys that is therehaving only one arm, And I noticed
that they actually have the guy therewith one arm, but they don't do
anything with it. It's like,what, why is this? Why is
this guy even here? I waswaiting for the Harold and Maud salute from

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him, right, See, Iget that now. I just saw that
movie for the first time. Ifinally get the little Harold and Maud salute
thing. We just I just watchedit with my kid the other night.
Nice. We had just pivot andtalk about that for an hour. Yeah,
I heard that so much better,so much better. Well, that's
the thing. I mean. Ina lot of ways, this movie has

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a lot of potential just on theface of it. Chevy Chase and Carrie
Fisher, right, Like, we'veseen Chevy Chase and Goldie Hawn already twice
and they were fantastic together, Likethey were the centerpiece of the movies that
they were in. And in foulPlay's case, like that was Goldie Hawn's
movie and Chevy Chase was just apart of it. And this could have

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been similar. I mean to bothof your points, like the idea that
the script is the Carrie Fisher character, and like the and I think the
lot of ways the movie itself alsois because I think there's two stories kind
of vying for control of the movie'sattention. I think that, like I
just I have a hard time understandinghow they bungled it this badly when they

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have two people that are so charismaticon screen and whenever they're on screen together,
I mean, especially there's a momentlater in the film where they're locked
in a freezer together. It isso not off putting, but like it
doesn't land the way that they wantit to at all, And it's like,
man, you guys really fucked thisup because Chevy Chase and carry Fisher,

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we know, are our known quantitiesand are good at what they do,
so it's not them, and likethat's the I think that's the thing,
Like, you know, with theconversation around like talking about movies and
stuff is really being cognizant of howmany steps also go into a failure.
And this is you know, ittook a lot to get to the point
where this is the version of themovie on screen that we're getting with these

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to people, and it is wildlyunfunny and they are wildly like uncharismatic,
and they have zero chemistry when they'reon screen together, like really none.
It's surprising because again they're a frontand center on the poster through all the
advertisement, They're all over it,and like they are not only really not
great together on screen, but neitherone of them are really in this enough

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to I think validate the amount oflike usage that they have in the advertising
for the movie, like it reallyis the it really is the the little
people characters movie, it really is, and the and the Duchess and Dutch
character, like you know, theDuke, like it's their movie kind of
feels like more than anybody else's,which is my least favorite part of the

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films in that hole because that's wherea lot of those mix ups come around.
With Digello I think is Robert Donner'scharacter's name trying to kill him and
those poor Japanese guys they all getoff. That was kind of mean spirited
to me in a way for alighthearted romp. Just as the Elevator,
Well, the guy that plays isKedo, the one who ends up getting

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the script from Carry Fisher. Imean, he's a great guy. He's
so nice, and I'm like,oh, well, he would actually be
a really good romantic partner for CarrieFisher's character, the way that he takes
an interest in her job, andhe's just like, oh, this is
gonna be a great film, andjust seems like the nicest guy. And

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yeah, when he gets off,it's like he ends up with his face
and a plate full of guacamole,and it's like, oh, this is
so disrespectful to this guy, andhe and all of these other Japanese tourists
end up start lining up the inthat meat locker you know, you got
tiny played by one of the film'swriters, Pat McCormick, taking this guy

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inside of the taking these guys inthe meat locker and just leaving him hanging
there. Because of course there's thiswhole thing of the boss is gone,
and so the hotel is being runby the boss's nephew, I believe,
who's played by Adam Rkin, avery young Adam Markin. I forgot when
he started in acting because I justremembered him more from like northern exposure type

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of stuff. I forgot about allthe pre northern exposure roles that he had.
I thought he was really good inthis, and he does a good
job. It does basically his dad'stype thing of being this like put upon
person and he gets really upset aboutthings. I've always liked Adam Arkin quite
a bit, and this doesn't doanything to disuade me from liking him.

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I mean, he's playing playing thekind of character I would expect it Adam
Markin to play in this movie,right like that. Yeah, yeah,
he's great. And that's the thing, like we know, you know,
all the actors in this movie arefantastic and pretty much everything else we've seen
them in. It's just what whatthe writers have done is really I think,
don't I don't understand what they werethinking with some of this stuff,

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because it's just it's too much goingon at once, and like these kinds
of comedies, I'm not saying theydon't make them very much anymore, but
they don't, like they don't makemovies like this anymore that are just like
high concept and also just like allover the place constantly, like there's so
much going on, it kind ofwraps its. It kind of wraps itself

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in loops after a while, likeokay, and then oh but then,
by the way, this isn't actuallyall happening at all, and it's like,
Wow, movie good God, liketaken the final step here at the
end. It honestly, it's oneof these movies that feels like it thinks
it's cleverer than it actually is.You mentioned I think in our message thread

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about how it seems like jokes areunfinished, and I believe a lot of
it has to do with toning downthe raunchy humor of the script because there
are a lot more double entendres andracy comments. It's not I don't know
if they were afraid they were gonnaget an R or something or what,
but it's pretty tame. There's nowhat like two swear words in the movie

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maybe and one of those is inin the script because it's at the end
of the film with a different ending. But there's a lot more of that
talk between Carrie Fisher and Chemmy Chase, where it's you know, what's going
on? What is that your gun? Things like, I mean, that's
in the movie, but there's othercomments like that between them that are gone.

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And then the Munchkins. The actorsthat are going to play the Munchkins
are way naughtier in the script,and that the bringing the prostitute there the
sex worker to the hotel. It'smore straightforward in the script where we know
that's what's happening, But in themovie it's like they excised some of that
and there's just a shot of oneof them walking out of the room and

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saying the line, and so it'ssort of out of context now, like
what's going on in that room andall the stuff with Tiny in the script
where the girls are after him constantlybecause he's this big, huge guy and
they strap him down to the floora llah what do they say, travels
and had their way with him.Yeah, that's completely gone. They Zelda

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Rubinstein confronts him on the staircase thereand that that's about it. And so
a lot, a lot is goingon, but there are so many missing
pieces that it's even more fractured,I think than it would have been with
that stuff in there. Well,there is way too much going on though,
it's like I can't keep up withYeah, it's very very screwball comedy,

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right, but yeah, you reallyrob it of a lot of stuff
by removing the setups or the punchlines. You know, I don't know if
it was the editor, if itwas the director. Steve Rash, who
at this point had directed The BuddyHolly Story in seventy eight, which was,
from what I remember, a prettybig hit and so even earned an

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Oscar nomin a for Gary Busey.He did a fantastic job of doing Buddy
Holly himself. And then he alsodirected Rich Hall's Vanishing America in nineteen eighty
six, which I really like thata lot, but I think that was
mostly because I like Rich Hall alot. But yeah, this one,
I'm like, what were you doing? Why were you outing these things?

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Like to cut out so much ofAnnie's introduction where you've got her on the
MGM lot and it was probably expensive. But they do get back to the
lot later ron which again reminds meof Pewee's Big Adventure where he's terrorizing the
lot, and it should have beena lot more of that. But like
her interacting with Clark Gable, thefact that that guy who we see her

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talking to, that that's Louis b. Mayer, and we kind of figured
that out later on when she saysLouie, Louie Louis, and that guy
could have been named Louie whatever,Louis Armstrong, whatever, but it's not
This is Louis B. Mayer askingfor a favor, and this is going
to get you, you know,the next thing, you know, move

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you up in the world type ofthing. The fact that we're shooting Gone
with the Wind and Wizard of Ozand all of these other films, they're
just they're not paying attention to thatstuff. They're not setting it up that
this is a big Hollywood story andthat we're getting ready to shoot this massive
film Wizard of Oz, and wedon't get Burt Lar, we don't get

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any of these other people that aresupposed to be there. She passes by
at one point, Laurel and Hardy. She says, that mean the Merciless
needs a helmet. It's just allof these things, like we eventually where
it's like, well, I guessthat's Esther Williams, but we don't know's.
It's really tough. If you hadn'tread the script or are pretty knowledgeable

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about what was going on at thattime in the movies, you wouldn't get
the pool scene at the end thatexactly introduced earlier in the script, like
you say, and all that.Yeah, I had no concept that that
was supposed to be Louis b.Mayer. Until I read the script,
I was like, oh, yeah, I mean, does he even look
like that? I don't know.You get the card table thing, you
get the you get the Scarlett o'hrathing because they put a pin on it

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at the end. But oh,and it seems weird to me that some
of this specific Wizard of Oz thingsin the script or dropped as well.
And I don't know if that's partof that. You can't say this because
they mentioned the yellow Brick road anumber of times, but they never say
Toto for the dog. They justsay are the dog auditions supposed to Yeah,

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And in the script it's like,are the Toto auditions supposed to be?
You know, Homer asks what bringsall the dogs into the hotel?
And I'm like, was that arights thing or some of these other cuts
rights things as well, or justuh, let's kind of dumb it down
for the audience or I don't know. It seemed odd though, that there

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were a lot more specific nods tothe Wizard of Oz in the script.
I mean, you've got Emerald Cityin the movie, but it's almost like,
you know, we're recording this onSuper Bowl Sunday, but it's almost
like all of the references to theBig Game, you know, because you
have to pay to use the wordsuper Bowl and they have to be approved

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by whoever to use the term superBowl. So it feels very much like
that, Like we're making a movieabout things that happen over a rainbow with
Kansas and there's a dog and there'sa you know, a lion, and
it's you know, just like nudge, nudge, nudge, like Okay,
yeah, you're putting your elbow rightthrough my ribs here, like please stop.
I get it. But at thesame time, I don't get it.

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And the other thing that I thinkreally is a shame about this movie
is that, you know, Isaid screwball comedy, it's not screwball enough.
Like they say that there were onehundred and fifty little people that worked
on this movie, and I onlyreally could tell you maybe a thirty of
them. Like it looks like they'reabout thirty people, is what I'm trying
to say. It doesn't look likeyou have one hundred and fifty little people.

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It does not feel like this isa mass because really, towards the
end, when they go back tothe movie studio, it should feel like
an invasion of all of these littlepeople, and the hotel should feel like
an invasion of all these little people. But there are certain times where it's
like, oh, well, there'sa couple guys here, there's a couple

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of people over here, there's awoman and a man over here, But
like, it doesn't feel like thismass of humanity, and that's what we
should really get, Like you getthat you mentioned the line about, you
know, the aerial view of anunemployment line, Like, okay, yeah,
we have quite a few there,but it still doesn't feel like just
a mass of people. And Idon't know if that's because of the way
that it was shot or that wedidn't have enough extras, that we just

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didn't have enough little people in theseshots, but it just doesn't feel as
chaotic, Like this movie should bechaos and debauchery, but it's not.
And it's weird that it's based it'sa movie based on a urban legend basically
of their bodiness at this hotel thathas been pretty much denied by everybody on
the movie. I wondered too aboutthe there's a scene when they get to

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the movie theater, to the moviestudio and somebody accidentally triggers a gallows and
somebody hangs and I'm like, okay, well, first off, they just
murdered that person. Funny stuff.But then I'm also like, is this
a reference to there were those rumorsfor years and years like, oh yeah,
in the background, you can seethere's a little person. They hung

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themselves. They were so destraught aboutworking on the movie that they hang themselves,
and there you can see him inthe background, hanging from one of
the trees. I'm like, well, that would have been interesting because there's
even like a book I think Ican't as Stuart Kaminsky. I think I
wrote it called Murder on the YellowBrick Road, and it's all about that,
you know, rumor of somebody beingmurdered behind the scenes on a Wizard

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of Oz. I had heard aboutthat, and that's what I assumed that
was in reference to, right,Like, well, what else? Yeah,
I think in the script they mentioneda specific Western so I kind of
went, you know, post watchingthe movie, my mind just went back
to that. But that's another thingthat's missing, is that Chevy Chase riding
on the Horse of Many Colors.Oh right, yeah, that's gone.

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I mean he doesn't even chase them, Rollo does exactly well. And that's
the other thing, like the Wizardof you mentioned Mike, like the Wizard
of ozness of the movie, andagain like they end up. I feel
like where the Wizard of ozness ofthe movie ends up really exhibiting. I
guess I'm kind of revealing its handat the end of the movie. It
makes itself very obvious what the actualWizard of Oz like point of references with

(30:51):
the framing device of the movie.But yeah, it's like, what a
wasted opportunity you have here, Likethe end of this movie should have been
a bigger version of what happens atthe end of Blazing Saddles, Like that's
what I was expecting, like andand it's kind of that, but not
It's it's like that if you watchBlazing Saddles and said, how can we

(31:14):
do this but not really put inthe effort, like not really like you
said, make it as kind ofover the top and as crazy ass again,
like as the movie wants to be, because as a as a slapstick
screwball comedy, the end of themovie needs to be like the end of
What's Up, Doc, where it'slike this big thing through wherever, and

(31:34):
like this movie has has the notionof that, it understands that it's it
starts the process of getting there withthat, but it never I don't think
it executes it's it's hand the wayit wants to, because again I don't
think ultimately. I think it's ultimatelyabout something else. And it feels like
three different stories trying to get attention, and the movie ends on the story

(31:56):
that is the least interesting of allthree, which is the story that ends
up being the main story of themovie, and that's like the least exciting
one of all three. Well,he's not. He has his moments in
the middle chunk of the film,but other than the opening and the ending,
excuse me, it's not really hismovie. He helps Carrie Fisher a
couple of times get out of herissues with Billy Bardi and that, and

(32:21):
I mean, should we just getout there what the ending is for all
the people that are really disappointed thatwe might spoil this movie for them,
as opposed to the FDR parade,which doesn't read that interesting in the script
either. Actually it they do.They pull the Wizard of Oz ending where
this is all Rollo's dream and likeyou, Mike, I thought, Oh,

(32:43):
we're doing this, or whichever oneof you said that. But it
was a cheat because we didn't seeall those people in that Shanning town before.
Chevy Chase's voice at the beginning ofthe movie. Was he the postal
worker? That's the only thing Icould think of, right, because they
obscured the Yeah, I think youremployee's face. I heard his voice and

(33:07):
I was like, that's chevy Chase'svoice. And that's when I realized,
like, is something going on here? But like, I heard chevy Chase's
voice at the beginning of a movie, and I was like, that's weird.
It's like Harrison Ford and et forno reason. Yeah, or was
he somebody shouts got gun it?Somebody shouts off screen to him at some
point like be careful, half pint. So it was either him, because

(33:29):
I didn't bother to go back andwatch the beginning, but I had that
thought. I'm like, I thinkhe's the postal worker or somebody else there.
But we don't see the Duke andDuchess. We don't see Robert Donner,
we don't see carry Fisher there,we don't see tiny none of the
I mean, unless they're I guessI should go back and watch and see
if their backs are turned or ifthere's people that they could be back turned.

(33:49):
Yeah, Like I was rewatching ita little while ago, and like
you can see there's a couple ofpeople that sit down in front of the
radio and their backs are to us, and I'm like, okay, okay,
that's Duke and I'm not sure whothis other person is. So yeah,
it does very much feel like acheat though, because well, yeah,
the abs, they're not hidden inmakeup like they are on a Wizard

(34:13):
of Oz. It maybe catch thatthat's Bert Law and the other guys and
all that, right, but youwould know it was Chevy Chase. Like
that's the problem. That's why theyobscure it's Chevy Chase, because they're not
going to be in makeup. Wellthey they It's much more of the shijoke
of fistful of Vienne from Kentucky Friedmovie, where suddenly our main character is

(34:37):
uh, you know, waking upand he's in drag and you have all
those and then you have the amazingwhat's uh the doctor's name, the bad
guy when he uh he pulls outhe still has the fake arm thing,
you know, that is hilarious theway that they do this. There's no

(34:58):
comedy to it. It's just aframe device that was not earned whatsoever.
Yeah, I thought a lot aboutabout the end of that of Kentucky Fried
Movies, A fist full of yen, and like I thought about that because
that was the last time that wehad seen it, and like, how
strange, because it really does workthere, like and it's mind for some

(35:19):
like that for me is probably thefunniest part of that whole thing, Like
because again I didn't resonate with itas much as y'all did, But like
I loved that they used that therebecause it was funny there. Here it's
just to what end? Why?Like like why what? What is what
comedic? Anything is being mined here? I failed to see what the point

(35:40):
is other than the fact that like, well, the movie within the movie
is about the Wizard of Oz,but like that's just somebody's dream, is
what we end up finding out.So like it's I don't I don't understand
it. It's very lazy to me, is what it feels like. It
feels like they wrote themselves into acorner and then just said, we don't
know what to do with this.Always there of us, there's an old

(36:01):
dream like, Yeah, I thinkthey simplified stuff a little too much to
get to that ending. Yeah,then that's why all that other stuff is
gone. But the thing it remindedme of, which I sometimes feels a
little bit of a cheat, isJacob's Ladder and how the one of the
major complaints of that film is thatit's it's a future for him that doesn't

(36:25):
make sense because he wouldn't know thesespecific songs had been made since he's dying
before they were ever created, whichis, you know, whatever, neither
here nor there. But why wouldyou dream about the making of the Wizard
of Oz when you have no ideawhat that thing is? But it's a
real thing that exists, So Imean, unless he read the L.

(36:49):
Frank Baum book. But yeah,no, it doesn't make any sense.
And the book is very different fromthe movie as well. Yeah, even
when it comes to so this movieis set in nineteen thirty eight, we're
talking about Nazis, we're talking aboutJapanese people, and you know we mentioned
in nineteen forty one already the wholemcguffin of this is this map that is

(37:12):
they were saying it was an invasionmap of the United States. I want
to say, and please correct meif I'm wrong, Mark, but I
want to say, it's about PearlHarbor. Yeah in script, in the
script right, which makes a lotmore sense. The Pearl Harbor is still
three years away at this point,but at least this is like, oh,
they have foiled this plot in nineteenthirty eight, they'll use the exact

(37:35):
same plot in a few years andactually be successful about it in nineteen forty
one. So I don't know howthat works, but somehow that's what happens,
And like, yeah, they shouldhave it should have been something more
to that, because it really thosestakes are so low that you don't even

(37:57):
care about them at all. Youjust know, we shouldn't like Japanese people,
we shouldn't like German people because ofwhat's going on, and you know,
just it just kind of fizzles out, just kind of like what I'm
talking about. That was funnier thanthe whole movie. Thanks. Thanks.
The Pearl is in Zi River anothernice little I gotta get the you know,

(38:19):
Christmas story, can't say our elsthere. I love it, but
what's weird about that is then heactually finds the real guy like two minutes
later, So what was the pointof that? And then of course,
like you mentioned that poor a Kidogets killed anyway, for I guess,
no good deed goes unpunished. Butyeah, along with the photography and all

(38:44):
that other stuff, that was justanother and the dog dying multiple times,
the dog making the poison, youknow what, it would have been funny.
What would have been very funny withthe dog they again, it's written
better than it's directed. The wholething of Bruce when he's trying to eat
and the dog keeps sparking at himwhenever he tries to take a bite of

(39:05):
anything. It would have been funnyhad that been Benji on the other side
of the table bark at him.Anything would have been funnier than what we
got, right, Yeah, that'strue. And that's the thing, Like,
this is the first time I thinkwe've watched something, the three of
us for this show that's like unfunny, Like everything else has been like,
oh, you know, seems likeOld Times maybe wasn't as good as Foul

(39:25):
Play, but seems like Old Timestill had its moments like this is like
a date I would say, adeeply unfunny movie like Oh Heavenly I think
Oh Heavenly Dog was better than this, Like, and I don't think Oh
Heavenly Dog is much better than this. I think Oh Heavenly Dog has its
own like problems that we we weaddressed ad nauseum on that episode. But

(39:47):
I think at least there were momentswhere there was some comedy, even if
it was unintentional. Here it justfeels like almost all the jokes are happening
off screen, and then we're comingback when they're like transitioning in between the
jokes, Like, I don't knowwhen this movie is supposed to be funny,
it really you know, you mentionednineteen forty one, and I know

(40:07):
that you and I might be inthe minority in terms of I took that
movie. I know well Mark,Mark, Mark loves it. Mike,
You and I think might be inthe minority of the band we know.
Oh, I don't think you're inthe minority. I mean, I mean,
I know several people. I knowmore people that like it than don't.
But I know that like in thegrand majority of people. Yeah,

(40:30):
it's not like you know widely consideredto be a maze. It holds up.
Watched it sometime in the last twoyears, and it held up held
up for me. Man, Idon't know if I'd rather watch this or
that, but I will say thatI watched that one hundred times before I
watch this again. Both of theseare nineteen forty one. I'm gonna go
to bat for it, so that'sfair. I just think both of these

(40:52):
movies are deeply unfunny. At leastthis movie is not two hours. Hey
man, you gotta have the TimAthison and Nancy Allen's story in nineteen forty
one. Oh, it's key.It is key, just like the Eddie
Deason stuff too. Yeah, yeah, just gotta be there. Otherwise the

(41:12):
movie's not as good. That's theonly stuff I wouldn't mind missing. But
I do love the carousel going offthe pier. I think that's some great
miniature work. So I'm gonna I'mgonna say that stays in my version.
I mean, yeah, but thatbut like that is the thing, like
in terms of the movies that Iwould compare this to nineteen forty one is
a apt comparison, And I thinkthis movie is as unfunny as that movie

(41:37):
is, and I think in alot of ways it feels like a perfect
like like a perfect companion piece,like a double feature, a diabolical double
feature under the Rainbow in nineteen fortyone, Like, who's itching for that
double feature? Not this? You'regonna You're gonna definitely get a lot more
out of nineteen forty one, though, even just the miniature work, the

(41:58):
miniature work, the direction, Imean, it's still Spielberg. It's a
better night in nineteen forty one isa better movie. It's just a longer
movie. Williams in there getting egon his uniform. I mean, come
on, who doesn't love that?Oh? The general frying as he's watching
them dumb? Yeah, the wholeblack face white face thing with John King,

(42:22):
right, and yeah, yeah,Mickey Rourke is in that movie,
and who isn't it for hot second? And who doesn't love Mickey Rourke really?
And of course don't forget John Belushijust kind of being there. Yeah
he he says fresno in that movie. I remember leaping out of my seat
when I saw that at ten yearsold. Blue she said, Fresnoe.

(42:43):
Mike. Sometimes we can commiserate onthings, and sometimes we can't, but
I'm glad. One of those thingsthat we commiserate on is nineteen forty Yeah,
that in Transylvania six five thousand,right. I haven't seen nineteen forty
one since they put out that longeronce it a LaserDisc version of it,
and I was like, Okay,I'm going to watch this, and it's
going to show me that there wasa masterpiece here that was ruined by the

(43:07):
studios, and this is going toshow me just how funny this movie was.
No, I can't imagine a longercut working. Have you ever seen
the longer cut it goes? Imay have years ago. It's another half
an hour longer. It is,maybe not, though, maybe not.
I may just be thinking of theTV edit. Oh see, now it's

(43:30):
I like the movie, but I'mnot willing to watch an hour longer version.
How much do you really like nineteenforty one? I just can't imagine
that. Yeah, longer version wouldbe better, and I can't imagine the
two hour version is good to beginwith, to be beare, But I
think I think though in terms oflike the success of the storytelling, I
think to your point, now,I think the scope of nineteen forty one

(43:52):
is more interesting, and I thinkthat this movie's trying to have that scope.
I mean, again, we haveHitler like two seconds in to the
quote dream sequence of the movie unquote, but I mean Hitler exists through the
character of Billy Barty, and likethat's not I mean, like you know,
all jokes aside about his size,like the scale of that character,

(44:13):
Like it doesn't feel like you guyswere mentioning about the map, Like it
just doesn't feel like that big ofa threat. So I don't know,
it doesn't seem like there's a lotof steaks with the movie for the most
part, but like nineteen forty onehas those steaks, so at least you
kind of have some steaks to it. I don't know. And that's the
other thing about this movie. Likethe best thing about this movie we haven't
really even talked about him is BillyBarty. Like he's the best part of

(44:36):
the movie, Like, without adoubt, he's just like he's fucking going
for it, and like good forhim. I kind of wish the movie
had just been all about his likeweird Nazi midget character, Like it's such
a fucking strange thing. And likethe way he looks is so strange,
and he's got the Hitler mustache andthe monocle. It's like, this is
such a strange thing. I'm totallyinto it. Though. It's so funny

(44:59):
because I mean, the the Nazisactively were killing little people in World War
Two. I mean, there's agreat documentary out there. I think it's
called The Seven Little People of Auschwitzor something like that. There might be
seven Dwars of Auschwitz. I wantto say. Peter Dinklic is the narrator
of it. And it's all aboutthese little people that were living in Auschwitz

(45:19):
and like trying to survive and tryingto stay there longer so that they weren't
put into the gas chambers. Andit's just it's kind of an awful thing
when you think, like, ohno, no, Hitler would have totally
been murdering Billy Barklay partie rather thanbeing like, oh, he is one
of our best spies. He isthe invisible man. No one can see
him. He's so great and yeah, and then he gets hitting the balls

(45:43):
by a Hitler salute. I mean, hey, you know what, instead
of watching the super Bowl today,when I go over to my friend's house
to watch it. I'm gonna suggestbe put on the Auschwitz Dwarf documentary instead
and we all have I watch it, Yes, I have. Hey,
everybody, instead of the super well, let's watch the documentary about the Dwarfs
of Ashwitz. Does that sound likefun to everybody else? I mean,

(46:06):
it is ironic. I wish themovie would have acknowledged that fact. But
you know again, I think justgiving Billy Party a little Hitler mustache is
a lot funny, especially when heis doing that with the Lollipop Guild outfit
as well. Yeah, those partsof the movie are funny, like but

(46:27):
like that's it. Like Billy Bartyis the best part of them. Anytime
he's on screen, the movie picksup for a moment because they're just like,
hey, Billy Barty, go forit, Like you're getting an opportunity
to do a thing. And you'reagain like you're the villain of the movie.
You're ostensibly like third or fourth buildin the movie, like go for
one of the leads. Yeah,and he does. Like he's the best

(46:50):
part of the movie because he's goingfor it. And you know, I
know that, you know, ifyou do some research about the movie,
you'll find that Chevy Chase supposedly wasall sad because Kenny passed away, which
you know what, now, thisis what second movie that we're having Chevy
Chase, for whatever reason phoning itin. I mean, wasn't o heavenly
dog him phoning it into but literally, yeah, put the phone up to

(47:15):
the mic, right, I ama dog. Yeah yeah, But like
if that was what was going on, cool, But I don't think Chevy
Chase phoning it in really is theproblem with this movie. It is the
writing and it is their Yeah,there's one distinct Chevy ad lib and it's

(47:39):
the second line that Mike quoted atthe beginning, you dropped your diaphragm,
right, because in the script hedoesn't say anything. He says, you
dropped your dot dot dot, andyou know it's obviously not a diaphragm.
It's a compact. But that's thatfeels. And the no no rape,
you know, no no rape,no rape, I'm not raping you seem

(47:59):
like the only thing that he addedto the script really, unlike Caddy Shack,
unlike seems like old times. Everythingelse moving forward like a lot.
Once he becomes Chevy Chase, ChevyChase guy with nobody else needed. He
will start doing that all the time. And I will honestly say, I
kind of missed that and the pratfalls. I was waiting for the pratfalls the

(48:24):
Holy Being, like Mike said,they're in the script. Maybe he was
trying to get out of that.Yeah, maybe I broke his hip or
something. It's just it's odd becauseI don't particularly care for that most of
the time. But I kind ofmissed it in this I'll see. We
talked about it last time, andI think we were of the same mindset

(48:45):
that nobody enjoyed it. Yeah,it when it's so obviously fake and goufage,
look at a fell in the bush. Oh I fell in the bank.
Oh no, yeah, yeah,it has to be more organic,
you know, is right right?He was doing that and things like like

(49:07):
foul play. But he by thetime we get to it seems like old
times. It's like, okay,yeah, seems like old hat here,
guys, let's give it something else, just so that the uh we we
don't get too many tweets about thiswas actually Warwick Davis, who narrated the
Seven Dwars of Auschwitz from twenty thirteenas opposed to there was a fictional film

(49:32):
about the Seven Dwars of Auschwitz.So but yeah, I forgot, so
I can watch both of them.I forgot. I forgot that doctor Mengela
was at Auschwitz and liked to experimenton these people. They were the owitz
Owicz family. They were a musicalact, and then they became victims of

(49:54):
doctor Mengela. Soy times, yes, so that that's what was going on
with little people in World War two. Put that in your pipe and smoke
it. The other thing that Ifound interesting, too was this whole thing
of I'm sorry, we're just gonnaleave it on. Doctor Mangela killed short
people. And but the funny partsof the movie, Now, well I
was gonna say that. Also,it's very interesting the part where quirky uh,

(50:17):
where Rollo meets up with all ofthe other little people, and that
had me wondering, when you werea little person in nineteen thirty eight,
how are you aware of there beingother little people? Obviously this is maybe
there were like newsletters or newspapers forlittle people, but it was just like

(50:37):
how odd would have been like pictureyourself as a little person, you know,
in that shanty town in that thatHooverville or whatever, and you've lived
your life for all this time,how awhere are you of other little people
that are around? Because it isjust such a small fraction of the population,
it must be mind blowing when yourun into another little person much less

(51:00):
and this is kind of where thecrux of the whole movie is much less
hundreds of little people, and thenyou're suddenly like, no, wonder there's
debauchery and stuff because it's like,finally I found people my own size,
and we can party together, wecan fuck, we can do whatever we
want. We're all on equal footing. Now we're not in this big person

(51:20):
world. You know. I kindof like that idea. That's like that,
and that's what it should have been, and like that's where the concept
of the movie should have come from, not like trying to integrate it into
something else, like trying to makeit part of another story that should have
been the main story that they're telling, like the stuff with Chevy Chase and
Eve Arden, Like that gets inthe way of telling that story, which

(51:45):
is the more interesting story. Becauseyeah, the idea of like, oh,
these people now have a like evenif it is just temporary, they
have this like moment in time togetherwhere they can do whatever the fuck they
want, Like there is something tobe said for that, and like you
said, Mike, like there's alot that could have been mined there and
a lot of fun and interesting directionsthat it could have gone, and instead

(52:05):
it's just like there's within the hotel, there are three separate movies going on.
Ostensibly, there's a spy movie,there's a weird assassination mad cap movie,
and then there's the Little People movie. And Carrie Fisher is in the
Little People movie, which is whyif this movie were more about them,
it would just be more her movie, because she is the one who's actually

(52:29):
tasked with making their lives easier whilethey're there for the Wizard of Odds,
it would have been more. Ialways assumed that's what the movie was about.
I had no concept that looking atthe poster or seeing that you know
through the years that chevy Chase isa secret service agent tasked with protecting a

(52:49):
duke and duchess. I just assumedthat he was another studio exach or maybe
even studio security or whatever. Ijust assume it was all about that rumor
of them being wild and crazy duringthe filming of that. Have them be
wild and crazy on the set.Have them be wild and crazy. I
mean the sets right across the street, the lot, the studio a lot,

(53:12):
right, So why not have stuffof them actually shooting the movie.
They probably couldn't do that, butyeah, the other stuff in there threw
me for a loop. When Iwas watching it yesterday, I had some
indication because I know, we relooked at the script briefly during one of
our other recordings, and I'm like, oh, what's all this there?
Hitler and the and the Japanese arein this too. Oh it's you know,

(53:34):
but Chevy going to the Queen Maryto pick up a duke and duchess.
I'm like, where is this?How does this all lead to the
same spot them all on the hotelwhich is supposed to be a fancy hotel
according to the script, but itkind of like a rundown hotel. Me
totally looks run down. Yeah,and that whole thing like we don't get

(53:55):
enough Adam Arkin to know that he'slosing his shit. It. I kind
of like the one of the scenesthat isn't mucked around. What too much
from the script to the movie iswhen Karry Fisher's character is saying like,
hey, listen, all this stuffis going on, and I'm having all
these problems, and she just rattlesoff all this stuff, and then she
talks with she's talking with Chevy Chaseand he's like okay, and they just

(54:20):
kind of go off on their ownthing. And then an American's character comes
in, Henry, and he's like, listen, I'm having all these problems.
He basically says the same thing,and Chevy Chase says, oh,
this is where I came in,and then leaves the room. I was
like, oh, well, thatwas kind of funny. These two characters
are in the same problems and they'reboth rattling off all of these details.
All right, that's pretty good,but yeah, it doesn't really work with

(54:43):
the rest of this. He shouldhave been much more him stuck on the
chandelier. I thought it was agood thing for him to have happen because
it also gets him out of theway a little bit. But again,
there's not that many little people around, like most of them have already left
and have run over to the studioat that point. Well, that was

(55:04):
a confusing part for me because shekeeps saying, you need to get get
to the studio, and it's likethey're having dinner. They're going to go
to the studio in the evening andget fitted, but they're not going to
shoot until tomorrow. It just itreally seemed and it matched up with the
script pretty well. That seemed oddto me, Like we're sure horning this
in because we've already established that thisis about the Wizard of Oz. So

(55:28):
we've got to have them. I'vegot to be wrangling them and getting them
to the studio. And then theythen they come straight back in their costumes
and continue to party. And whyis one of them in a Is there
a cowboy in the Wizard of Oz? Is there a cowboy Munchkin? No?
No, but was that guy's dressedup like a cowboy the whole time?
Well, and well yeah, becausethat's the thing is like each one

(55:49):
of these munchkins are supposed to havetheir own personality. So it's the right
called Smokey who ends up being themayor of munchkin Land, and they call
him Smokey at one point, buthe had a me in the script.
It was like, oh, yeah, Smoky, he's doing this, He's
doing that. Yeah, like you'vegot the ventriloquist guy and the whole thing
of like the Ventriloquist dummy actually seemsto be aware of things, like the

(56:15):
dummy can listen to conversations and thenreport those back to the ventriloquist, which
is odd, but it might haveplayed as funny. And then you're talking
about the whole thing with the costumes, like, yeah, you get Billy
Bardie and you get Rollo, bothof them wearing the Lollipop Guild type costumes.
You get Smokey wearing the mayor costume. And then what should have been

(56:37):
a funny joke was for whatever reason, Tiny takes the second dead Japanese guy
into a bar puts him on astool. And that's also something that is
missing, is that Tiny is araging alcoholic and he's not supposed to be
drinking this whole weekend, but yetwe just constantly see him drinking, and
he sets the guy down on thebar stool. The frickin' mortician who says,

(57:02):
you know, not only is shemerely dead, but she really most
is sincerely dead from the Wizard ofOz. He's the guy who says,
I don't think he can help thisguy at all. And I'm like,
that's supposed to be funny. There'ssupposed to be a joke here. He
is a mortician and he's supposed tobe but they like cut to him so
quick, and it really doesn't registerwho he is what he is. I
had no idea. That didn't registerwith me at all. Right, but

(57:25):
that should have been a funny joke. Yeah, and they should have.
He should have recited the line exactly, which which they probably couldn't do exactly
for whatever reason. And it's like, why are we having this revolve around
the Wizard of Oz if you can'teven use specifics other than the title,
because that's also the title of thebook, which is probably in the public
domain. And yeah, that thatmissing stuff, I think is what really

(57:52):
hampers the film. Those like whatwhat was the point of that? And
I think the dummy gets a littleextra scene in the script as well,
where he's in the window right ofthe sex dungeon that they have Tiny trapped
in, right, and then BillyBardi and Mako supposedly knock him off or
something and he's committed suicide. Thedummies committed suicide, And yeah, just

(58:16):
weird, weird stuff left out,and the stuff that's left in they didn't
reshape to have it make sense.That's really I'm not going to say that
had they filmed that script exactly asit was written, especially because this was
a first draft, I believe fromJuly of eighty if memory serves, had

(58:37):
they shot that exactly the way itwas, it would have been a funny
film, okay, but it wouldn'thave been a masterpiece, but it would
have been way better than what weended up with. Yeah, it would
have connected some of the dots,and I think I would have actually appreciated
a little bit more of the raunchyhumor because it seems kind of castrated.
When you watch and read that backto back, it's like, oh,

(59:00):
there there. It felt like therewas stuff missing, and now I'm seeing
what it was that was missing becauseI expected. I mean, they show
a naked lady at the end,you see bush. I mean it's brief,
but I'm were they scared of anR and that stuff got cut out
or just not used at all?Or what why show women in a shower

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if you're going to cut out allthe the lantana? Yeah, that was
weird. The whole shower thing.Yeah, I'm like, are we gonna
get Are we going to get someearly eighties PG unity here? Yep?
Yeah, breasts on Bush. Yeah, you get the joke of a little
person being under a woman's skirt,but you get that in the Gone with

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the Wind sequence, rather than themovie ending with one of the little people
being under amy skirt and then awhole line of little people that goes around
the street. And I guess it'sall of the what is it? All
the people want to look up herskirt or something? Thing is That's what's
going on. It's so strange.That's how the movie ends. In the

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script, Chris, there's no flashover to uh to Kansas. It's like
all of these people underneath any skirt. And then also, oh, I
forgot that. There's a rainbow thatshows up and Rallo and his girlfriend Lana,
who is barely in the movie atall. She's one of the Lullaby
League characters that they follow the rainbowand find a fucking pot of gold in

(01:00:30):
a bunch of bushes, and Rolloends the whole movie say well, I'll
be a son of a bitch.Yeah, yeah, I mean, is
another one that gets cut. Yeah, she her part gets way reduced.
It's not that big in the script, but still she has a lot more
lines and a lot more to do. And I'm so disappointed that that wasn't

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the ending of the movie. Ican tell you if the FDR stuff is
gone, which is fine, Imean, yeah, that was a little
bit of a bridge too far attimes where it's like, oh, and
all of this is coming together becauseof FDR coming to town. Okay,
right, and there's assassination right yeah, yeah, then I am right.

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And then that's how Mako and BillyBarty kill each other. Is it's the
same kind of setup, but uhor no, it's not something one of
them gets killed. I guess it'sBilly Barty because he is there to assassinate
FDRs and that whole plot line isgone. It's it's just the handoff of
the map. But he gets killedat the end, right, in one
of the same kind of mistaken ways. Yeah, you get that nice moment

(01:01:36):
of Mako and Robert Donner, Makotaking the photo which reveals that it's the
killer camera, and then Donner atthe same time shooting Mako, like because
the duke ducks down and the twoshoot each other. It's like, oh,
okay, that was kind of effective. Yeah, and then the thing

(01:01:58):
where chevy Chase's character is like,oh, this guy saved the duke even
though he was there to murder theduke, Like Noah, good job,
Chevy, yeah, real, real, good at your job there, And
like had they had something about himeither being good or bad at his job,
and it seems like he would havebeen bad at his job based upon

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the prat falls and the spring upof the microphone, But as it is,
we don't know if if he's goodor bad. He just seems to
be there. And that's this wholething in this movie is he seems there.
And that's the shame about this movie. And you know, to go
back to the idea about what thisshow ultimately is about, and it's about
us talking about chevy Chase. Heis, of all the people in the

(01:02:44):
movie, like he's just lost inthe shuffle like everybody else. Like I
wouldn't say he's more lost in theshuffle than anyone else, but he's as
lost in the shuffle as everyone elseis. And again I don't there's so
little about the role that makes methink like, oh, it's Chevy.
It had to be Chevy Chase,like Nope, not really, like it
could have been anybody. And Iwouldn't say that's the case for foul play

(01:03:07):
or even seems like good Times.It seems like good Types, seems like
old Times, or even Caddy Shacklike those movies I think really benefit from
it specifically being Chevy Chase, andthis movie should have and it didn't,
And that, for me is thebiggest shame because again, given what this
show is about, and given whatthe focus of our show is and the
name is, this is barely aChevy Chase movie, and his inclusion in

(01:03:29):
the movie does not do much tospark any sort of joy while watching the
movie. Frankly, all it makesme think is why were you even involved?
And believe you, Maria condoed ChevyChase. I love that phrase.
Yeah, it's a great phrase.I liked the Texas switch with Otis and
the elevator crashing. That was nice. I kind of like that the elevator

(01:03:51):
operator's name is Otis, right.That a funny to me, as old
timey guys know what that is inreference to any I just walked into an
elevator and looked down. Well theyshould know hopefully. Yeah, that's where
you don't want your phone or yourkeys to fall through. Is where that
little otis sign is. Yeah.I've had so many co workers where it's

(01:04:13):
like it was almost like magic.It just got sucked through that. I
keep my keys and my phone inmy pockets. It's a it's an irrational
fear of mine that it's going tofall out of my hand and just slip
right through that crack. That's anirrational fear of mine as well. Also,
my phone is going to fall intoone of those sewer drains. Yes,

(01:04:33):
here, let me just walk overthis thing where the thing that I
have in my pocket is perfectly shapedto fall just right through. Yeah,
we all text down here. Yeah, maya telephone? Yeah, Jesus Hian,
Chrissy, I want your telephone back'shand through the thing. Yeah,

(01:04:57):
that's that's it for the telephone.That's funny, frizy you. That's twenty
first century right there. Instead ofa quote he loses his cell phone.
You can't watch TikTok on this judge. Yeah, pay the five dollars for
insurance. He yeah, yeah,Now morel blacks for you. God,

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what's our next movie, and onthe next episode of Chasing Jemmy, Chase
and Chevy podcast, We're going tobe taking a dtour a future d tours
as a version of Mike White oncesaid in a version of the show,
you did not get to hear fromnineteen ninety eight a film that is not
really a Chevvy Chase vehicle, buthe is in it for a little bit,

(01:05:45):
and it's a it's a Bob Saggatdirected Norm McDonald vehicle known as Dirty
Work that I am excited to watchbecause it is a favorite comedy of mine.
And I mean, who doesn't loveNorm McDonald, right? I mean,
you know how many movies get tobe a Norm McDonald vehicle, like
one like this one? Ever seenit? Another one I've not seen,

(01:06:05):
so I've never seen it either.I was getting this mixed up with Dirty
Deeds? Was he in that movie? He be Norm MacDonald, right,
But there was a movie called DirtyD's from I think it was. Is
that the Emilio Estevez and Charlie Sheenmovie? No, that's Matt Work.
Yeah, I want to say thatthat was from like the nineties, But

(01:06:28):
I know there's one with Neil Vintimigliathat's also called that Wow. Yeah,
but no, I thought that therewas one from I thought the nineties because
I remember the trailer for it whenI was working at Blockbuster. Oh yeah,
I mean dirty. Dirty Work isa movie that I'm really excited for
y'all to see. I'm not surehow well it's held up for people other

(01:06:50):
than myself, who like saw itin a time where like these kinds of
movies were acceptable and now it's likemaybe not so much anymore, these kinds
I mean, like even with Underthe Rainbow. So I know that Dirty
Work is a little bit of maybea stretch for this show, but we're
going to be talking about it anyways. And yeah, if you don't like
it, too bad. So untilthen, where can people find you and

(01:07:13):
the things that you work on,mister Mark Bagley, Well, you can
find me. You can find meon social media, all social media at
wake Up Heavy, including the letterboxif you're interested in what I'm watching,
And you can find my shows wakeUp Heavy and Cambridge of mashaan Over on
wordingwaymedia dot com or on my websiteWakeupheavy dot com. How about you,

(01:07:36):
Mike, Well, you can findme Yes. I'm also on a lot
of social media's including Blue Sky andthreads Sure why not and truth Social Mike
Don't Forget and True Social. Yes, I definitely I'm spitting a lot of
truth bombs there. You can findall about how Taylor Swi is controlling the

(01:08:00):
Super Bowl and that everything is hasbeen set up this whole time based upon
the color usage in NFL graphics totalk about the Super Bowl. Yeah,
I've got all of those things.Yeah. You can hear me talk about
yes, or you can hear metalk about movies over at Projection with podcast
dot com where every week. Yeah, I'm spitting truth over there as well,

(01:08:27):
and giving you all the facts thatabout Taylor Swift's eras tour and all
the hidden messages inside of that movie. How about you, Chris, You
doing an episode on the Taylor Swiftmovie would be somehow at both at the
at the same time, the worstand best thing I can think of at
the moment. I have seen thatmovie and it is a three and a

(01:08:49):
half hour concert movie. Damn.I mean, you know cool. I've
seen better concert movies, folks.And there's my five second take, and
I don't ever have to do one, so you can find everything else that's
not five seconds over at the cultureCast and various other things that are found
at weirdingwaymedia dot com, including thisshow and a lot of other stuff,

(01:09:11):
just a lot of things that I'mon or I produce or I work with
other people on. So yeah,weirdingwaymedia dot com where we can go to
find this show, all those showsand pretty much everything Mike in Ark just
mentioned. So yeah, like rateand review the show wherever you get it,
more than likely iTunes, and youknow, share it to Chevy Chase.
We'd love to hear what he thinksabout what we think about his stuff,

(01:09:32):
given that, you know, Iseems like Chevy Chase is just still
kicking it, which is cool,Like he's still just hanging out, enjoying
himself. I saw him on apodcast a while back, Like, you
know, good for him, right, you know, he's he's soul live.
I've barred, have crossed at thisday and age, and yeah,

(01:09:55):
we'll catch you on the next episode.