Chillworthy Episode 13: Terrence Woods, Jr

In this episode of Chillworthy, we delve into the mysterious disappearance of Terrence Woods, Jr., a young and promising filmmaker whose life took an unexpected turn. On October 5, 2018, Terrence was on location in Idaho's rugged and remote Orogrande area, working as a production assistant for a British television documentary. What was supposed to be an ordinary day of filming ended in tragedy

Join us as we explore the puzzling circumstances surrounding Terrence's disappearance. We'll examine the theories that have emerged, and question what could have happened?

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:08):
You're listening to Chillworthy.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
A podcast where two best friends discuss mysteries, murders, and
anything in between for your enjoyment.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
So if you're ready to hear some chilling and unsettling cases,
you're in the right place, happy listening. Hello, Hello, and
welcome back to another episode of Chillworthy with Brent and Talia.
Hello everybody, So I have some things to say. You

(00:37):
have some things to say. Who wants to start our
things to say?

Speaker 3 (00:41):
You go first?

Speaker 1 (00:45):
All right. My things to say are the following. I
have finished two books since we last spoke. So last
I told you I was reading Incidents around the House
by Josh Mallerman.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Sounded terrifying, you're a description.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
So with that, it was the story about I think
she was eight years old and she lived in a
house that had this entity in it called the Other Mommy. Yeah,
and it had like coraline vibes, but a little bit
more adult, I guess, well, definitely a little bit more adult.
And so I finished that. I thought that was a
good read. I would give it, you know, four stars,

(01:24):
four stars. I would say four, I mean, but four
cusping on three and a half, not cusping on five.
Important right. And then the other book I just finished
was We Used to Live Here by Marcus Klearer clear

(01:45):
something I think, I want to say. He's Canadian?

Speaker 3 (01:48):
What was it about?

Speaker 1 (01:49):
So this book is very like psychological and you think
it's going one way and then it kind of turns
into something else. So basically, the short version is that
this lesbian couple who move they they're like house flippers.
They move into a house. It's just a normal house,

(02:15):
I guess, but it's it's I want to I think
it's in Canada, and it's kind of like a little
isolated and whatever. And so they're like flipping the house.
And one of them goes into town to go get
something and she's gone for like most of the day
and the other one is at home and there's a
knock on the door.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
Oh boy, oh boy?

Speaker 1 (02:38):
What else would you what else would you like to
happen at a door?

Speaker 2 (02:40):
I mean, fine, but you're saying, you know, it's kind
of a deserted setting, pretty desolate, right, Who the hell
is knocking?

Speaker 1 (02:48):
So it's this family.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
Great.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
So it's a dad, a mom and three kids. And
basically the dad is like, hey, sorry to bother you.
I know this is random, but we used to live
here or no, I used to live here when I
was little, and we, you know, we're in the process
of moving across country. We were passing the area and
I wanted to know if I could give my wife

(03:11):
and kids a tour of your.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
House two or three.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
So that's kind of what the premise of the story is.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
Let's stop right there.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
If I was if you lived in an extremely isolated
setting and this situation happened, what would.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
You say to that?

Speaker 4 (03:31):
No, I am, I don't.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
I don't think I would like the concept of it.
I don't think I would allow it to happen. However,
and this gives literally nothing away, But she is a
people pleaser, and I feel like I fall into that
category of like you know, she was like when she
had the normal reaction anybody would like, there are these
strangers who want to come in. I don't really want

(03:54):
them to, but I also don't want to be rude
like that was part of her part of her inner
dialogue as this started up.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
So like and on one hand, I'm thinking, oh, this
gives me a safer feeling vibe that it's this family
with kids and not just this man who shows up alone.
But then it's also like you don't know what these
people are up to. There are way more of them
than you, and you're by yourself. You're not going to
be yelling for anything that does have a dog.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
Oh so there's the dog.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
So anyway, that is the premise of what the book
is without giving anything away. And like I said, even
from that description, it sounds like the book is going
somewhere that it kind of isn't. But it was a
good book. A lot of people on TikTok were saying
it was one of the They were saying like it
was one of the scariest books they read this year.
Oh but I think it's scary, you know, for reasons

(04:48):
other than what we actually might think, right.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
I mean, if people are saying that they think it's
the most scary, that makes me.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
Terrified to read it. But how you've described it so.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Far sounds really good. And also the part how you
said you think it's going in one direction, but it
actually goes in another. I love when that happens. Like
when you think you're solid about what's happening in there,
you like to be wrong exactly exactly. So I think
I'm gonna try it. I like to Now season wise,

(05:19):
what would you say, because I was going to say
I like to read things. I hope to read them
in the month that they're supposed to be happening in.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
So is this like a fall book?

Speaker 1 (05:27):
I would say it's it's winter, okay, because a winter
storm does come through at one point. So yeah, it's
definitely like gives cold vibes.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
Okay, I'll add it to the winter list, thank you.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
And the only other thing I have to report on
is that last night I went to the Pentatonics concert
right which they were fantastic good and David Archiletta opened
for them, absolutely adorable.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
As I said earlier to you before we started, I
had no idea who that was, but I have since
done my homework and he.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
Does look like a little peach absolutely and sang espresso,
which I am absolutely just that song has like a
throat grip on me. What is that called?

Speaker 3 (06:17):
No idea?

Speaker 1 (06:18):
All right? But stranglehold? Maybe I will say that. But anyway,
if David is listening, and perhaps he is a chiller,
I'm available.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
Well you heard it here and now you heard it
here first, David, please comment.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
Now, what is it that you have to say.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
So to start with, I was sick recently, so my
voice is not normal sounding, so just putting that out there.
And I may be coughing a little bit in this episode,
so I apolog in advance.

Speaker 4 (07:02):
She's got.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
That's also why I'm trying to laugh minimally or laughed, laughed, laugh,
laugh softly, so it doesn't get the cough going, but
I'm sure it will be at some point. So all
I have is many book updates. Now. I believe I
said in the last episode that I had started Jurassic Parker.

(07:27):
I wanted to start it, okay, so I finished it.

Speaker 4 (07:31):
Oh oh my, oh my.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
I it.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
I don't know what to say. Of course, it's going
to have way more information or I should say, content
than the movie, like every other book turned into a
movie has. But there were so and also you have
to assume that a lot of details are going to
be different, that they're going to change things.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
Well, this was a wild ride.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
There were a lot of things that I just really
didn't care for in it. You know.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
Obviously a lot of the.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
Like action scenes were different, but some of them were
extremely different. Like if you don't want me to spoil anything,
stop listening now.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
But yeah, well, I mean, you know this has been
out since the nineties, so I.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
Think bookend movie, right, right, But I was.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
Going to say, spoiler alert, does the perk it out
of control?

Speaker 3 (08:29):
It does?

Speaker 2 (08:29):
And like the Dynasty, do you.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
Imagine if that didn't happen in the book? Well, I know,
I mean anyway, sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
No, totally fine. The dinosaurs get off the island.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
So there's that part.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
They are of course breeding on their own, which also
happens in the.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
Movie, but to a way larger.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
Extent in the Life finds a Way.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
Absolutely the parts you know how much I love Malcolm,
but the parts where he's trying to explain chaos theory
and explain like why he thinks things are the way
they are, you get a little in the weeds. But
I mean that is how he is. Almost everybody dies.
Lex and Timmy are not like in the book. Timmy

(09:10):
is older than Lex and Lex is really young, like
younger than I think Timmy.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
Probably was in the movie.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
These things obviously aren't huge deals.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
But she's the one that gets shocked.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
That isn't even in it never even happens. I excellent question, yep,
doesn't happen. She is not the computer one. Timmy isn't either,
but he's the one who basically like figures things out
on the computer. So and honestly, I didn't really care
for the writing either, So I'm not going to go
into every single action packed event that happens in the book.

(09:42):
But there were way more than the movie. The ones
in the movie, A lot of them were just completely
created for the movie.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
Clearly, that t.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Rex scene in the beginning, you know, nearer there, when
the fence goes down, right, that isn't this? Gennaro makes
it through quite a.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
Bit of the book.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Was the goat involved?

Speaker 2 (10:05):
The goat was involved? Oh yes, okay, not like leg
falling onto the.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
Fine roof, you know? So did they called the raptor
a clever girl?

Speaker 3 (10:17):
No, I was looking for that too. Nope. There were
a few quotes.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
That stayed the same and I highlighted them, but I
was like highlighting a ton of the differences that I
was finding, and I don't know it just it didn't
pack the punch that I was hoping for.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
So I gave it three stars. I'm so ashamed to
say that, but it is what it.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
Is, so really quick before we move on. You're telling
me that doctor Sadler dies.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
She lives, Okay, She and Grant both live.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
Fine, the kids live.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
Malcolm Hammond, Wu, Gennaro, Arnold Nedrie obviously all dead.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
So it's just not going to work out for the movie.
I Wu dies, well, exactly, coon making all those extra monsters.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
Right, and which is consistent in the book. But I
mean and.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
Wu dies a horrific death.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
Horrific all right, Well, three stars for Jurassic Park, right.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
I also started Home Is Where the Bodies Are. I
gave that four stars. So that's about three adult siblings.
Mother is in hospice when the book starts. She passes away.
She says something to the one daughter kind of gets
the daughter's wheels turning, like, what are you talking about?
The dad went missing several years ago. And I don't

(11:39):
want to give too much away. And I don't remember
how much was in the description of the book, but
it was very good. It each chapter is a perspective
of a sibling. It alternates, okay, And they basically are
going through everything in the house deciding whether they want
to sell the house or not. And they come across
this videotape from the ninety based off what's on this videotape.

(12:02):
They're like, oh my gosh, what is happening with our
parents kind of thing, who are both now gone and
not in the picture. And then they're just kind of
figuring that out themselves now. So it's like a mystery.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
But you're not done.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
Oh yeah, I am. I finished it.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Oh yeah, So how many stars?

Speaker 3 (12:20):
I said four?

Speaker 1 (12:21):
Oh? Oh yeah, yes you.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
Did, yes, yes, And I had mentioned Jackpots summer. Ah, yes, okay,
So finish that obviously. I think I said that in
one of our most recent episodes, and I really liked it,
and I.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
Gave it five stars. Yeah, I gave it five.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
So I found a book by the same author called
The Last Summer at the Golden Hotel, very similar in
at least in the description to like dirty dancing theme.
Did you watch that movie?

Speaker 1 (12:51):
Did you like that movie? I? No, I don't even
think I watched it.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Ok So they'll like camp sort of.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
Right, you know, I do know what theme.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
You Okay, So I was like, oh my gosh, that
would be such a good summer book. So just finish
that one the other day. Not a huge fan. I
gave it three did not nearly pack the same punch.
Good writing still, but I just did not care for
this one as much at all.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
All right.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
And lastly, boy, I know I am boy, oh boy.
I'm in the middle of the villa and I love it.
I'm only I want to. I don't honestly remember. I
think I'm like approaching fifty percent, maybe a little bit more.
But it alternates between the seventies and present day, and
it's like involving this villa in Italy and it's.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
Like a murder house and I love it, I really
love it.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
All right. Well, I was going to say, please keep
us posted, but I know you will.

Speaker 4 (13:49):
I sure will, all right, all right.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
Well, if everybody's still there, We're at about the fifteen
minute mark and we are going to start today's episode
for for real, all right. So today's episode, as our
normal disclaimer, internet's a crazy place. We're doing the best
we can with the information we found. If we're wrong,

(14:14):
we apologize and yes, and collaboration is always welcomed. So okay,
So the case that we're going to be doing today
is the disappearance of a man called Terrence Woods. I
did the you know, the research on this case, and

(14:37):
I it's I don't know, it's a very like weird case.
I don't know how else to say. It's just very
strange what happens here. But so a little bit of
background on Terrence Woods. So Terrence Woods Junior. He was
born in nineteen ninety one in Maryland and he grew

(14:58):
up there with a very close no family. So from
a young age, Terrence was known for his vibrant personality
and he was just very curious about the world around him.
His family describes him as a kind hearted, intelligent, and
creative individual who had a strong passion for storytelling, which

(15:19):
is important for what he ended up doing for his work,
which was being a television producer. Terrence attended the American
University in Washington, d C. Where he earned a degree
in film production.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
That's a really good school.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
His education provided him with both the technical skills and
creative insights necessary to thrive in this very competitive world
of media production. After graduating, Terrence quickly makes a name
for himself in the film and television industry, where he
worked on various high profile projects that were both like

(15:57):
documentaries and reality TV show and he worked with some
pretty big networks and including like the Discovery channel, which
is when this incident happened.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
That's a lot of success right out of school.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
Oh yeah, you know, I mean clearly he was super
talented and that's I mean, what a young age to
already be doing all of this.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
You know, Yes, I agree, And it's important to note
for later in the story that he was very good
at his job and he came highly recommended by a
bunch of people. This case was actually famous enough that
it made it on the Doctor Phil's show.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Oh wow, like his family went on.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
Yeah, yeah, so you know, but it is important to
note that he was, like, he was good at his job,
and he he always like went above and beyond. And
some of the people I was listening to their interviews,
some of his friends who worked with him on different projects,
said like, you know, he was very like proactive. He
was he was always like thinking a few steps ahead

(17:02):
on what the production team would need and stuff like that.
So he was just good at his job. So a
little bit about his like more of his personality. He
was outgoing, empathetic and sensitive, and he just had a
way of connecting with people from all different walks of life,
which made him not only a great colleague to have

(17:25):
but a beloved friend and family member. So there were
some indications a little bit before this incident happened that
Terrence might have been dealing with some personal challenges. Friends
and family mentioned that in the months leading up to
his disappearance, because he does disappear, Terrence exhibited signs of

(17:45):
stress and fatigue, and he I guess, reportedly had confided
in some of his close friends and or associates that
he was feeling overwhelmed and was considering wanting to take
a break from work to folks on his well being.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
You know, when you think of what I was saying earlier,
just how much success he had so fast and at
such a young age, the pressure that he must have
been feeling had to be very intense.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
I would think, well, and this is something I'm trying
to think how to say it. Like, because of the
nature of the type of shows he was doing, he
was in different terrain, Like it was different parts of
the world. Right, it wasn't just a TV studio set.
I mean it was like the Discovery Channel. I mean

(18:35):
you're out in various climates, yes, like challenging places, and
obviously that's going to take a toll on somebody also
because it's tough conditions. So now we're getting in this story,
we're getting closer to basically like what the project was

(18:55):
that was ended up being his last project ever, sadly.
So he started working for the Discovery Channel, but it
was also for raw TV W W R A W
and so because I think it was like he had
been based in London for a while, so he he

(19:18):
was working like with that television production company for the
Discovery Channel and this project was taking place in Idaho.
So he was hired to be the production assistant for
this documentary series for the Discovery Channel that was focusing
on abandoned gold mines in these remote areas. And because

(19:40):
of the fact that they were remote areas, you know,
the work the like the crew was very isolated, and
the terrain was very rugged, the typical terrain we always
talk about, right right, very common. So for Terrence, this
type of assignment was not entirely out of the ordinary though,
because he had previously worked on similar projects that demanded

(20:02):
kind of this rough terrain adaptability, and.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
They were all together, like if there was a whole
crew out there, It's not like he had to go himself,
you know, what I mean like this, right, So I
feel like the fact that they were there all together
you would think meant safety, but apparently not well.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
So speaking of that there were including him, there were
twelve crew members. So he had expressed some apprehension about
this particular shoot. And I saw on the Doctor Phil
interview that he actually had told his dad, his brother,
and his cousin that he was feeling like uneasy about

(20:43):
making this trip, but he why, he didn't go into detail.
But despite this, he did tell them that, you know,
he had already made a commitment to this job assignment,
so he was going to do it anyway.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
It's interesting when you think of how seasoned he was
that something like this would throw him. I mean, I
know nothing about Idaho or gold mines, and I don't
know the conditions of getting in them, going down in them,
what they look like, how hostile of an environment it is,
and how dangerous. But it's interesting that for that, of

(21:19):
all things, he would be telling multiple family members that
he was really not feeling it.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
Yeah, And I don't know if it had to do
with the actual location or the topic, or potentially the people, right,
which we will get into in a second.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
Yeah, like Idaho folk.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
You mean no, I mean like the documentary crew people.
So this is in the fall of two thousand and eight,
is when he becomes part of this production crew. And
the show was titled gold Rush Dave Turren's Lost Mine.
So this show, like I said, focused on exploring and

(21:56):
I guess reviving abandoned gold mines and some of the
most remote and challenging terrains in the United States. I
have never heard of it before, but I.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Was about to say that I did, like, oh, I
remember that show about a gold mine. But then when
you said the rest of it, like the continuation of
the title, then.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
You lost me.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
But I feel like I do remember a gold mine show.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
Are you talking about city slickers?

Speaker 2 (22:21):
I don't say.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
All right, maybe. So this episode was taking place in Idaho,
specifically the Ororo Grande area within the Nez Pierce Clearwater
National Forest another National forest.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Which means danger.

Speaker 4 (22:38):
Yes, and you know it.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
I do know it. So the project was very demanding
and it required long days of shooting in just treacherous environments.
And as I said, the crew consisted of twelve professionals,
including himself. So now we get to you know, he's
arriving now in Idaho?

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Can I ask something please? Thank you? What month is
this in September? What is the weather in Idaho in September?

Speaker 1 (23:07):
I don't know, Yeah, yeah, Idaho. No, I don't know.
I would imagine it's similar to late summer, early.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
Fall, but that's just an assumption.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
Yes, it's an assumption.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
Okay, thank you.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
Sure. So he gets there September twenty eighteen, and like
I said, there were just some indications that he wasn't
totally feeling the project, but he committed to it, so
he went anyway. So the crew sets up their base
operations in a small town near the filming site, and
they have like accommodations at local lodges and or campgrounds.

(23:48):
So the daily routine involved traveling to the remote filming
location where this gold mine was. Often it required some
of those off road vehicles and some hiking to reach
some of these spots. The workload was very heavy, with
early starts and late finishes, but that's all typical for

(24:10):
this kind of show that they're shooting like nothing.

Speaker 3 (24:13):
He wouldn't have been used to.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
R yes, I think so. So there were some reports
that Terrence was just kind of feeling a little homesick
and overwhelmed. And I'm assuming it was some of his
friends who made these reports, you know, because it had
mentioned it when I was doing this research a couple
of times.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
How far into the trip was he feeling like this,
like really upon getting there or they were.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
Well, I guess technically you could say the first day
when he or the day before the first day when
he told his daddy didn't even want to go. But
I guess it's just important to keep saying that due
to the conditions that this show was filming, like it's
not unusual for somebody maybe not to be having like
the best time out there, Like these are harsh conditions, tricky.

(25:02):
So the night before he disappears, which would have been
October fourth, is when the night before, so October fourth,
he sends his dad a text message and tells his
dad that he is going to be coming home early.
And I watched this part of the interview and doctor
Phil had said to the dad, like, did that send

(25:23):
up any red flags for you? And he said no,
like I was glad he was coming home, Like if
he didn't want to, if he didn't want to be
there anymore, then I was happy. To have him come
home like the man. Both the parents are very sweet. Yeah,
and so the dad just responded back with a message
saying to him to bring him a shock class because
I guess because Terrence was this world traveler, he would

(25:45):
always bring his dad these shockglasses from like everywhere he went.
And I did see on the interview that he had
the dad had like a basically like a China cabinet
of all these shock classes that his son brought with
him from everywhere.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
Did Terrence respond to the shock class question, I do
not know, so anyway, it's just that's you know, he
made it a statement to his dad that he was
going to be coming home earlier than normal, but basically
did not give any reason why and or details. So
no details as to how he was getting home.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
No, Okay.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
So now we get to the day of the disappearance,
which was October fifth, twenty eighteen. So this began like
any other day on the set. The crew was filming
in a particularly remote area, again in the Oral Grande region,
and they were focusing on this one specific abandoned gold mine.
So this area had because and I feel like this

(26:40):
is common for gold mines, which I know nothing about.
But when you think about it, like they're not going
to be found necessarily on a lot of flat land.
I mean, when you're gonna go mine, you're going into
something to mine. You know, You're not like on the prairie.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
Right, So good call.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
It's hilly. There's a lot of terrain, like up and
down elevation, I guess, is what I'm trying to say.
And it was just kind of like overcast skies, but
no severe weather. So the day progresses and it's reported
that Terrence's behavior becomes increasingly erratic. So according to some
accounts from the crew, he was just a little bit

(27:18):
more subdued than usual and he appeared more distracted than usual.
But despite this, he continues filming and doing what he
needs to do that's required at his job. So then
we get to late afternoon and this is when the
very strange and unexpected occurrence happens. So witnesses said that

(27:39):
Terrence and I. So there were a few different accounts
of this, but I think that, as I told you,
there were eleven other people there that were on the crew,
but there was also one local woman who was basically
kind of like she was shuttling the crew back and forth.
And I don't know if that meant like in shifts,

(28:00):
like maybe some of the crew would like if they
were going for lunch, like she would shuttle them back
to the town and then shuttle them all back up.
But the point is she wasn't part of the crew,
but she was there as a local who was helping
with this stuff.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
And she was not one of the twelve.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
That makes thirteen, right she was she Yeah, So not
counting Terrence and not counting her, there were eleven crew
members got it and then her, so he too. He
was speaking to her, he told her he needed to
use the bathroom. Well, in this kind of location, that
means going to pee in the woods, like there was
no bathroom, so he tells her he has to use

(28:36):
the bathroom. So he starts to move away from the group,
and one of the executives I guess on location was
in some type of vehicle. I don't know if it
was a four wheeler or just a normal car, but
he was sitting in it like reviewing something and ended
up looking over and he saw that. So the area

(28:59):
that Terrence went to was sort of on like an embankment,
like it wasn't a cliff face like the Grand Canyon
that just went straight down. But I mean it was
a very very steep decline down if you continue to
walk over it. And that's where he was headed to,
I guess, go use the bathroom. So the executive producer

(29:23):
was looking and saw that when he looked over that,
Terrence had put down his like radio. I guess they
had like walkie talkie kind of things, and he put
that down and he didn't see Terrence anymore. So he
got out of the car and kind of like jogged
over to where he had last seen Terrence walking, and

(29:45):
he got to the edge of this drop off and
he saw Terrence was already like ten to twelve feet
down this embankment, and he was like sprinting away from
the group. And he described it when I guess the
dad did have a chance to talk to this man,
and the man described it like he said, you know,

(30:08):
I saw Terrence. He was like ten feet down this
hill already, and he was running towards the forest like
a hare.

Speaker 4 (30:15):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
And so I want to say him and one other
crew member tried to chase after Terrence and started calling
for him because they had no idea like why he was,
why he was doing this, and this terrain was very hazardous,
and it would have been something where even like an
experienced outdoorsman, like the people we normally talk about, yeah,

(30:39):
would have had trouble getting down this embankment as fast,
like not falling down it, but getting down it.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Well and having to get back up to join everybody again.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
Like, well, that wasn't a problem from what they're describing.
He didn't ever plan on joining them again. So, like
I said, they tried to follow him, and they said
that he easily, he just got away from them, and
by the time he got to the bottom, he moved
so quickly that the forest just like swallowed him up,
and within moments Terrence had disappeared from sight, leaving the

(31:11):
crew just like baffled, like, what the hell just happened here?
What are your thoughts?

Speaker 2 (31:18):
I'm so confused by what would have caused this? And
you know, how did you say he worded it to
the dad he was coming home or he was leaving?

Speaker 3 (31:29):
He did specifically say he was coming, Oh, he was
coming home early.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
Coming home early. I mean this sounds I was going
to say, calculated, like he had a plan in place.
He's going to say he's going to the bathroom, ends
up really just trying to get away from this show.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
Crew. But it's a show, it's your job.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
It's not like they were holding you hostage. It's not
like I assume he wasn't being hurt or held against
his will or anything like that. Like it sounds like
a workplace, work environment, obviously in the middle of nowhere
in Idaho, but just such bizarre behavior. And then I'm thinking, like,
was he scared of something? Was he running because he
was afraid?

Speaker 1 (32:09):
But affrancially well, and that's the thing. There's a lot
of unanswered questions and a lot of weird shit. Yeah
that comes to light after that. Oh shit in my
opinion anyway, So the crew, once Terrence disappears, alerts the
local authorities and they do put out an immediate search,

(32:33):
which was it was like searched, so like the crew
had searched for a little bit, and then they, like
I said, informed the police. Can I just stop you ring?

Speaker 2 (32:44):
Yeah? Don't you find it fascinating? And I'm not at
all saying they should not have been looking for him,
So clearly something is wrong, something happened. They should be
trying to find him. But I think it's insane when
you think of past cases that we've done and families
are begging the authorities to look for their loved ones

(33:04):
and start a search. This man willingly ran away from
the group that he was with, and they got people
willing to search right away.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
Well, but I'm also wondering if that's what the difference was.
These people actually saw the fact that this man, like
all these other ones we talked about, they're all like, well,
they're missing, we don't know where they went where. These
people literally are out in the middle of nowhere. They're
not outdoorsman, one of their co workers starts like high

(33:33):
tailing it down a very very steep embankment and just
runs into the woods, not at all prepared to be
out there for any length of time. But I don't know,
I mean, I do know what you're saying. Yeah, I
just wonder if it's if it's purely the fact that
this isn't a person who disappeared without witnesses. This is
a person who seems to have disappeared in real time,

(33:53):
like acting because they could have thought he was having
a mental health crisis or like, I don't know, who knows, but.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
All right, and even his belongings, like the way that
he went down and how treacherous that sounded down that embankment.
I mean, he's getting home anytime soon, I would imagine, like.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
No, I don't think so, right, So he's.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
Telling his family that he's coming home early. But by
these actions so far, if he not to say I
was going to say, if he chose them not to
say that, he didn't choose what he was doing. But basically,
if he was in the middle of a crisis or something,
I mean, I just feel like this wasn't going to end.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
Well, well, that's correct. And he also specifically purposely left
his radio behind because he was holding it until he
decided to run, which was one of the reasons why
the guy, the original man said he even went to
check on him because he thought it was odd that
he saw his radio lying on the ground. Right, So

(34:48):
back to contacting the local authorities. So the search was
apparently launched almost immediately as night began to fall. The
search was a little bit more complicated, obviously by the
lack of light and the fact that you're in this
extreme rugged terrain, and despite the efforts of the crew
and the local search and rescue teams. There was no
trace of Terrance by the end of that day. Now,

(35:11):
they did bring in helicopters and used them. They also
used infrared cameras, which I think we talked about before.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
For like the body temp, body heat.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
Yeah, again, not found at all. Nothing was picked up.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
Now, riddle me this quickly. So say he goes.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
And does this, he's then deceased, will it not pick
up any body warmth? I mean initially there would still
be warm right.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
I guess it depends on the length of time, the timing.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
Yeah, yeah, but I feel like that would have been
fat well, I guess not not if he died suddenly.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
So now here is one of the things of note
in my opinion, that's like something doesn't sound right here
for our bingo sheet. They did bring in.

Speaker 4 (35:54):
Search dogs, okay, thank you.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
So they brought them to the shoot where you know,
where they were doing this TV show. The search dogs
picked up no scent of him ever being there at all,
like not even running down the hill. But these dogs
picked up zero scent of him ever existing where this

(36:17):
shoot was happening. So there's the first thing that is
a little hinky.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
I have the chills.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
Chill word, there's number two on the Bengo card right.
In fact, police also found no DNA whatsoever that Terrence
was ever in that location.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
That doesn't make any sense, I know.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
Now, does that mean that his radio didn't smell like him,
that they didn't pull any DNA off the radio? I
don't know. I didn't it. You know, through the interviews
and stuff I was looking at, it didn't completely go
into detail. It just made very clear that no evidence
of him being in that location was found.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
Even take the radio out of it, even equipment and
different objects. I would think that he would be in
contact with, touching, lifting, moving when they would arrive. I
would think a lot would have to be done. That
just doesn't even make sense.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
So in one of the interviews with the dad, he
made mention, he specifically made mention that his son wasn't
very athletic and was considered flat footed. He even kind
of said like he was making some type of statement, like,
I mean, for God's sake, we had to buy him
like these special insuls for his feet because of like

(37:33):
how flat footed he was. And the reason I guess
he was making this particular thing known was the story
that these people gave about how he so easily outran
them in this dense wilderness and nobody was able to
even keep up with him to see where he went.
The father is like, he just doesn't buy that version
of the story, like he was easy enough to sprint

(37:56):
down this major embankment and outrun anybody else. Who because
at the original time the crew member was only ten
feet away from him. It was just in an elevation,
so it probably looked further away. Another bizarre thing was
so the mom and dad eventually were flown out there.
They are divorced, by the way, so not that that

(38:18):
necessarily affects the story, but I mean.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
It makes things trickier, right, so.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
That you know they they are not together, so, but
they were both flown out there, and they only have
the ability to speak with three of the eleven people there.
So and this was at the police station. So that's
something that I'm thinking, like, so there were you're in
a remote area, there's only eleven people. This isn't a

(38:45):
small town, this isn't a resort, you know, where there's
a bunch of people coming and going. There's less than
fifteen people, and you're not going to get to talk
to each of those people, just literally to say did
you see something? Now, I don't know if the police
spoke I'm assuming the police spoke to everyone, but it's
just odd that they would let all of these people

(39:08):
go without letting the parents kind of just I don't know.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
To make them available, well.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
Right, yes, to have a little bit of a better
understanding of what they might have seen, like specifically, and wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
You also want to talk to those parents as one
of those people, like the fact that these people high
tailed it out of there. And dare I say, I
might be wrong, but when you brought up about the
dad being like wait, what he ran like that? Like
he would never do something like that, He wasn't capable,
it makes me suspicious of the crew. Did they do
something to him?

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Right? Well, I don't know, but that's certainly a concept.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
I don't have a good feeling.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
So to further make it weirder, one of the three
people that the mother spoke to, and I don't know
if it was the original one who saw you know,
the radio, or if it was one of the other
two people, But whoever this was, it sounded like it
was one of the people who would have been above
him in the hierarchy of like the way management right,
the job was set up, but she said that this

(40:11):
crew member decided to make it a point to focus
on the fact that he basically said to her Terrence
came very highly recommended and that he was very disappointed
with how her son, how his like job performance was, like,
he was shocked that he came so highly recommended because

(40:35):
basically he did a shitty job. Instead of focusing on
the fact.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
That this woman's son is missing, right, this.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
Guy sprinted off, apparently into the woods. We're focusing on
the fact that, like, hey, he kind of sucked.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
He's now a missing person. This poor woman just got there.
Her son is missing, and we're not in second grade
with our parents. At the meeting with the teacher to
review the report card, the well do you want this
woman to do about it? And what do you want
to say want Terrence to do about it? At this point?
What a time to bring that up at all, Like,
go to hell, dude.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
I could only imagine what those meetings were like with
your teachers.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
All I ever got in trouble for was talking too much.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
Get out of here. Shocking and from the interviews that
I saw with a bunch of his co workers, again
not the people he was with that specific job. What's
it called. I was going to say job duty, job assignment.
But like people he's worked with in the past, they
all said he was very like I told you in

(41:43):
the beginning, he was very on top of his job.
He understood how to do things. He was very like.

Speaker 4 (41:48):
Proactive, so glowing reputation.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
Right. So it's odd not only that this man decides
to focus on his bad job performance while he's missing,
but it just sounds so uncharacteristic of him to begin with. Agreed,
And then we have one of the last details that
is extremely strange as well. So, after all this initial

(42:17):
investigation happened and whatever and stuff, the dad is the
one that ends up with Terence's suitcase that he took
on the trip. So I don't know how long it took,
but the father eventually unpacked the suitcase, and you know,
I don't know, like I said, I don't know the timeline,
whether it was a few weeks because he you know,
it was like a painful thing, or maybe he did

(42:38):
it right away because it was fresh and they were
looking for him or whatever. But either way. He did
eventually unpack the suitcase, and at first he said he
didn't notice this, but as he continued to unpack it,
it was just becoming blatantly obvious that the suitcase was
filled with nothing but clean, folded clothing. Even the underwear

(42:59):
and socks were still folded and clean. And he said
the only dirty thing in the entire suitcase was a
pair of muddy shoes that had been wrapped up in
a plastic bag. And then he said, like, okay, so
there were these muddy shoes, but everything else was clean.
So what did he not change in four days? Because
he would have been he would have been on that

(43:21):
when the father, sorry, when Terrence went missing, that was
supposed to be day four that he had been there.
So he didn't change his outfit at all, including underwear
and socks for four days.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
When was the text message that Terrence sent his dad?

Speaker 1 (43:37):
It would have been five days before he no, I
guess not. I was going to say he sent the
text message the day before he disappeared the day so
that would have been on day three.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
But this makes me think he did not go missing
when they're claiming he went missing. This makes me think
he went missing very early on in the trip.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
This whole story about the cliff.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
And the putting the radio down and the day of
that happening, I feel like that's not true.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
Well right, I mean that's what it sounds like to me. Also,
so was he even the one that sent the text message?

Speaker 4 (44:10):
Ah, good call? And I didn't think of that.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
Oh, I didn't think of that.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
Because it's like, is there a better way to make
it seem like somebody's still bebopping around if they're sending
a text message to a family member saying Hey, I'm
going to come home early, but leaving it vague, I mean.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
No details, and then makes this whole thing even more
of a mystery, Like Wally texted he was coming home early.
This is a well, the whole thing is uncharacteristic. But
something seems off with this crew. Oh, I don't trust
them at all.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
So saying all of that, we're going to enter in
now to the theories and speculations. So before I go
into that, do you have any thoughts on what what
is your theory on? I mean, do you think it
was foul play by the crew? It sounds I.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
Think they killed them, all right, I think that story
of him running is bullshit. I don't think that even
happened at all. I think they I mean, even if
you think about it, the reason it makes no sense
is because it makes no sense.

Speaker 4 (45:10):
Like because well should.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
Like there's no logic in that whatsoever. The only thing
I was thinking with him running suddenly like that and
away from them, I'm thinking, well, maybe he was hallucinating,
maybe he saw something he was you know, running from that,
or he heard something. But there if that was going on,
and that was something that he was experiencing, you would
think that that would be something that would have made

(45:36):
it difficult for him with work, Like if that was
a struggle of his, I don't think professionally he would
have been doing as well as he was doing in
that field for so long and built the reputation for himself.
So if there was no history of that having happened,
all of a sudden, he's just running away from people
and he's very paranoid.

Speaker 4 (45:54):
And.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
I don't believe.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
I just I don't believe these people, and.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
I don't understand what exactly happened that they all of
a sudden decided that they were going to go after
him and target him like this and kill him.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
Right, Well, I mean we don't know if they actually
killed him. Well, but because I mean I'm thinking, well,
what if an accident happened due to their like like
lack of due diligence or something like he fell into
the mine and because it wasn't safe or they didn't
you know whatever, and they were trying to cover I mean,
who knows. Obviously all of the speculation, But the other

(46:30):
thing was did he run away at that specific time
because somebody had threatened him? And I mean who knows.
Like they're out in a very remote area, So if
somebody is really threatening you, and then maybe you're like, well,
this might be my only chance to get away, and
you sprint away when you are quote unquote going to
the bathroom because you want to make sure you get

(46:51):
away safely. Like I have no idea.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
But and even that, I mean, he had no hope
of really getting anywhere safely. He had no vehicle. They're
in this remote.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
Look well hold that thought he did not have a vehicle.
That is true. But one of the things that was
made mentioned was that and this is this goes more
along the lines of was this planned by him to leave?
Which is at the bottom of that embankment was a
road that he would have had to cross to I guess,

(47:21):
get further into the forest. And so some people were
speculating that if he decided he was the one that
wanted to leave the area in this way, did he
arrange for someone to pick him up because he had
to run across this road. So I don't believe that
to be the case. But I mean, I know I
described it as a very desolate area, and I mean

(47:43):
it is, But there was a road. I don't think
it was a paved road, but I think it was
some type of access point that he did have to
run across to continue on his way if he did
actually leave and go the direction that they're claiming he went.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
But again, who's traveling on this road? But I don't
think anybody, not many people.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
If it's that I.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
Mean, I'm saying, if he planned it, that's the.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
MyH to have someone lined up already. Yes, yes, not
by Heppen, since no Heapen.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
So here are the biggest theories I guess of what happened.
So the first one is mental health crisis. One of
the most prevalent theories is that Terrence may have just
been experiencing a mental health crisis in the moments leading
up to this disappearance. This theory is particularly supported by
the accounts of some of the colleagues and his family members,

(48:35):
who noted that he had been showing signs of distress
and fatigue and just an overwhelming desire to return home.
And like we talked about the high pressure environment of
this film stuff like, I guess that could start to
wear you down, and if you did have an underlying
mental condition like that could probably spike some of those
issues when you're applying, like all that pressure of what

(48:58):
your job is the only and when they're talking about
the mental health part of it, they're like, well, did
he have some type of panic attack? Which I mean,
as somebody who has them, I can't say I've ever
run into the wilderness from it, but everybody does handle
it differently, So you know, people were saying, like, was

(49:19):
he up there, had this overwhelming sense of panic and
basically like fight or flight kicked in and he chose flight,
and he just took off.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
To the point that no one could then find it.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
I know, I'm just just a theory, baby, I'm not
It's not my theory, I know so, And like you said,
I mean, yeah, it could explain the suddenness of his
erratic behavior, but it doesn't explain the fact that he's
just now gone into thin air.

Speaker 3 (49:45):
Right.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
So then the second one, which I briefly mentioned, is that,
you know, did he choose to voluntarily disappear, which, of
course for the Bengo KRD is our favorite one. He
just wanted to start again, just wanted to start again.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
Fresh beginning, right, and what a way to begin that.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
I'd love to get the get the numbers on how
many people actually do quote unquote just start again. I
guess we wouldn't know that because they started again.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
Absolutely nobody knows.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
Right, but I mean it sounds it's always big on
the speculation, you know list. But anyway, and the only
reason that this is a theory is, like I said,
because of the fact that if he wasn't intending on
disappearing like dangerously into the forest, he did have to
cross a road. So it's not as if he necessarily

(50:39):
would have so easily gotten lost because he had to
literally cross a road, and or, as I said, he
could have had somebody waiting to pick him up.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
So even that though, if you would think about it,
if they picked him up and then eventually I assume
made their way back into town used highways, I feel
like surveillance would have picked him up somewhere. Maybe not,
or there would have been a sighting. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
I just feel like the fact that though the.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
Dogs couldn't pick up a cent is odd to me,
of course, or at all. I mean, you know though, yeah,
they do always know you're correct, You are.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
Correct, thank you. What do you have to say?

Speaker 2 (51:20):
Just dawned on me, though? What if he legit never
was there?

Speaker 3 (51:26):
Like this just.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
Dawned on you. You don't need lightning to strike you.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
It's just like this suitcase thing.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
And how I said that, I feel like that they
probably killed him early on your theory.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
Or there was an accident. So I was just gonna say,
I don't want them hunting us down right, And if
anybody is listening, she's the one saying killed.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
Your theory about the accident and that they you know,
panicked and that something went wrong. Which if that's the
case too, and he's down in this gold mine or
somewhere else, that would make sense why there's no trace
of him at that location. Where they claim he went
running from. Right, But yeah, I'm thinking, well, that must
be some scientific error that the dogs aren't picking up
his scent and there's no DNA. But no, it's because

(52:17):
he freaking never even was there in the first place.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
Well, and even when I was thinking about the accident thing,
I'm thinking, like, does that also you say something did
happen to him very early on like day one, and
it was covered up? Like does that also make sense? Then?
Why instead of saying, instead of reporting to his family

(52:40):
how good of a job he was doing, does that
make sense to tell them how shitty of a job
he was doing? So that it's kind of like, yeah,
and now he just abandoned the job altogether.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
Like it goes along with that narrative, Right, Yeah, good call.
I don't know they're scoundrels.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
Well, they might be. But speaking of the gold mine,
when I was listening to the sheriff talk, he did
bring up that one of the reasons potentially they're saying
that his body might never have been found was because
in areas that used to be booming with gold mines,
not only are the mine entrances there, but there are

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also different things called air shafts that are kind of
littered among the forest, but like by that point they're
overgrown with brush and stuff. But it's basically like a
shaft that would just drop you pretty far down. So
if he was running and happened to fall into one
of those, like he would still doesn't explain the dog

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thing or the suit well or the suitcase thing, if
we're going off of what the crew had said. But
the point just basically being like, it's not completely crazy
if they had helicopters and infrared lights or cameras that
if he happened to fall, even say, twenty feet into
a hole, then he's not going to be found, you know,

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unless you happen to know which Holly fell into and
where it is exactly.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
And even his survival falling, I mean that kind of
a drop, he would never have survived it. So you're
also not talking about someone who's yelling for help.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
Right, Yeah, which brings us to the next one, which
was just was his death an accident? Now they're not
necessarily saying was it an accident and was it covered up?
But did he just happen to he took off for
whatever reason, and then he did fall into one of
these things, and it was just like an accidental disappearance
where he might not have meant maybe he was just
trying to get away from something and ended up falling

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into one of these like air shafts and that was it. Yeah,
and then we've got foul play. So some including you ye,
have speculated that foul play might have been involved, and
theory is based on the possibility that somebody else, whether
it was from within the crew or an external party,

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might have had a motive to harm him, although no
direct evidence has ever been found that actually supports this theory.
But it's just the fact that his behavior was very unusual,
like he was a great worker who knew what he
was doing. He wasn't known for just randomly running off

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into the woods. And from what it sounds like his
previous experience, he could have run off into other woods
at other times and decided not to the idea that
he wanted to quote unquote start again. He was very
close with his family, His parents were extremely distraught, So
it doesn't sound again like a person who basically has
like no ties to his old life and just wants to,

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you know, start over. So that's I don't know, that's
just you know, I mean, people are talking about that,
but at the same time, it's like nothing was ever
brought to light that would be like, oh, okay, you
know it was Charlie.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
Well, the police didn't seem to dig very deep into Charlie,
Bob and Lenny, who were on this crew.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
Well true. The last one, which of course, like this one,
is as always it's always out there wildlife.

Speaker 4 (56:03):
Okay, So like I know think for.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
This No, I don't think so either, but whatever. So yeah,
I mean those are basically the theories that seem to
be floating around up there the most.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
I don't think the police dove nearly as deep as
they should have on this staff, on the crew, whatever
you call it. Yeah, I feel like we heard nothing
about that their names, questioning them, did they have any suspects,
It's just like because they said he ran, that must
have been what happened, and then we're not going to
look at anyone with suspects.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
Well. The one thing though, that I feel like sort
of doesn't support that big theory of like this is
a big cover up is literally just that that would
have to mean that that entire crew was in on it,
like everybody there decided that they would rather make up
this story than say what really happened. And if you like,

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let's pretend, for example, that he did fall into one
of those minds chefs. It's like, so what the guy
on camera b thinks that that's his responsibility so much
that he that you know, he's gonna get in so
much trouble that he's not gonna come clean like this happened.
Like I can understand the people in charge quote unquote,
maybe there were like two or three people in charge,

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and they were like, oh my god, we can't, like
we should have never let this happen, like we were
so whatever, so irresponsible. But you're telling me everybody like
the snack guy. I don't know if there was a
snack guy, but you know what I mean, Like that
would have to be pretty well, that would have to
be a pretty well oiled machine to be like, we
are keeping every one of you eleven people silent, including

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the chick from down the street. So that's my only thing.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
We didn't hear from her though maybe she's the one
saying something's up with this group, something is funny. I
don't know, something's not quite right, and they silenced her
they snuffed her out, well, I don't know, not literally
figuratively snuffed her out.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Oh, just to sort of wrap this up in terms
of like that was obviously all the day the disappearance,
what potentially could have happened to him. From the parents'
point of view, they were obviously immediately alarmed. They thought
that this is extremely you know, unlike him. So Terrence
Woods and Valerie Woods, which was his mother, they were

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notified and then they were shocked. Like I remember in
the interview when the person had called his dad, his
dad just kept saying, like, I don't even understand what
you're saying. What do you mean he just ran away?

Speaker 2 (58:32):
Like it's not logical. It's very hard to wrap your
head around it. And that's what I mean, Like it
doesn't even sound believable. It sounds so far fetched. It's
like that's the best these people could come up with,
is their story?

Speaker 1 (58:46):
Right, I know, it's it's very Yeah, it's bizarre. The
family is still focused on the case. They are still
advocating for the case, you know, they still are trying
to find updates from the police in Idaho. And there
was this other well there's two other things really, so

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The first one is that family was very critical, which
you are as well as am I, of the investigator's
early dismissal of foul play as a big possibility.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
So, while authorities have leaned towards theories involving accidental death
or mental health crisis much more, the Woods family has
consistently argued that all possibilities, including foul play, should be
thoroughly explored. And watching that Doctor Phil episode, both those
parents were definitely acting like something was not right in

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terms of with the film crew, even in terms of
with like the sheriff department and stuff, because and Doctor
Phil did have one of the sheriffs on, and the
sheriff he was the one who's explaining about like the
air pocket and stuff, the air shafts.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
A nice convenience story, just.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
Saying wow, he said what he said, and it was
just like the Doctor Phil questioned him on. Didn't you
find it odd though, that when they met with the
parents that the first thing that they were complaining about
was that he had a poor work performance and the
sheriff denied ever hearing that in the interview. I'm assuming

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the interview wasn't taped or.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Whatever, but all very convenient, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
I mean, it wasn't like he was like, oh my god,
they would have never said that. He was just like
I just don't remember them saying it. So yeah, you know, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
Like somebody lying on the stand. I don't recall. I
don't recall. I don't recall. Very convenient.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
And it sounds as though the family, like I said,
it's still very engaged because not only was this on
Doctor Phil Now this was a few years ago, but
I think there have been some very recent interviews with
the parents and stuff. So I think that there's like
very high on the you know, advocacy and attention to
this case, like you know.

Speaker 4 (01:01:07):
Train yeah, and the only other thing.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
And I don't have any details on this before you ask,
just because this case was pretty involved, so like I
just didn't continue on with this part of it. But
it's very interesting and it could be like a bonus
follow up thing, right. Something that was particularly fascinating was
the same day, about forty miles away, in the same

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type of area like national park Shocker National Park esque,
ding ding Ding, a woman went missing the exact same
day who was like, she wasn't a park ranger, but
she was somebody who was out in the park doing
some type of job, I want to say, And I
think she might have been like in her maybe fifties,

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and you know, so it was just like, it looks
like it's completely unrelated. But at the same time, she
disappears and still to this day she also is gone
without a trace. They never found her, they never found him.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
Well, she doesn't have a film crew saying that she
started sprinting and doing relay races crew.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
But I also don't know what or who reported right
what she did. But I'm assuming she did not run
off a cliff as well, but we don't know right.
So that is pretty much the very weird story about
Terrence Woods Junior.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
This is deeply disturbing. I feel terrible for his family,
his poor parents. I think the police department should be ashamed,
and they.

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
Did a terrible job.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
Talk about poor performance. It's the police department. And I
am extremely skeptical of this crew.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
Well, I think I think that makes sense. I mean, yeah,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
It's just I don't trust that. I don't trust what
they're reporting, and they can say whatever the hell they want.
I think you bring up a very good point with
how many of them there are, and that they're all
going to join in on the story together, because I
was thinking, well, maybe they weren't. Whatever happened, maybe every
member of the crew wasn't physically there to see it
or be aware of it. But like what you said,

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what their story was, with what they reported to the
police would have involved all of them, you know, they
would have if he had already gone missing several days before,
then the rest of the crew who maybe hadn't been
involved in it, but was there by day four or
five of this supposed missing date, they would have still
had to basically co sign on this story of him hunning.

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So yeah, that's I agree that that definitely makes this
more muddeled.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
But I mean it sounds like it would make one
hell of a fiction book, oh you know what I mean,
like that typical twist and turns of like how did
we end up here? But in real life, I mean
I don't know. Yeah, absolutely, I would take a lot
like that would be like the perfect storm to get
everybody in on it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
Yeah, so, and that no one faltered on it. But
also I'm thinking how hard did the police press? Like
maybe this was really easy to pull off? Because they
weren't even looking at them as suspects.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
Something just popped into my head that I forgot to mention.
Not that it impacts the strangeness, it just makes it
more strange. But I do remember it was concluded that
one of the crew members needed to undergo therapy from
that day and that's all. Yeah, that's all that they said.

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I think that was on the Doctor Phil show.

Speaker 3 (01:04:41):
Because they couldn't live with their guilt.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
Well or but well, people were like, what did they
see that made them well.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
That's their mistake, thinking that an event happened that particular.

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
Yeah, alleged, I'm just saying, right, but yes, somebody did
have to Actually I think it was like a younger
person have to undergo therapy. But and I know that's
like such a shitty way to introduce that because I
don't have any of that of the details, but I
just something you said reminded me about that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
So I something is just not right about this group
and what they alleged, and this story I think sounds
so weak and strange. I also think if he was
having a mental health emergency and that is what caused
this erratic behavior to suddenly happen wouldn't the family have
been like you know what there was you know there
was a bit of a history or like, yes, something

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did happen before we had seen instances of this or something.
Give me a break.

Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
I think they're.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
Liars, all right, alrighty, I know you don't have any
closing thoughts for the chills.

Speaker 4 (01:05:43):
I never do, Oh never do.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
But you want me to ask.

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
Yes, please keep asking.

Speaker 4 (01:05:48):
You never know, so I don't really either.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
I mean, you know, if, like I said, I might
do a little update on our next episode of that
woman because I don't think there was like a whole
bunch to go into, but just kind of to wrap
that part up, just I mean, she deserves a name at.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
Least absolutely, so absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
Maybe we'll do that. Yeah, yeah, you do have something
to say.

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
I do.

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Right commented, thoughts drop.

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
Us a line. Yes, yes, well I think that that
pretty much wraps it up. I hope David Archiletta listens
to this and uh, you know, as always stay safe
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