Lurking Beneath: The Legend of Champy, America’s Loch Ness Monster

For centuries, something has been said to stir beneath the dark waters of Lake Champlain. Locals call it Champ—a mysterious, serpentine creature with roots in Native American lore and sightings dating back to the 1600s. But is it just a myth, a case of mistaken identity, or something far more chilling?

In this episode of Chillworthy, we dive deep into the legend of Champy, America’s answer to the Loch Ness Monster. From historic encounters to sonar scans and grainy footage, join us as we unravel the eerie evidence, the skeptics’ theories, and the believers who swear the beast is real. Whether you're a folklore fan or a cryptid skeptic, this is one tale that might just make you think twice before stepping into the water.



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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:08):
You're listening to Chillworthy.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
A podcast we're two best friends discuss mysteries, murders, and
anything in between for your enjoyment.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
So if you're ready to hear some chilling and unsettling cases,
you're in the right place. Happy listening.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
Hi everybody, Hello, welcome back to our podcast, chill Worthy
with Brenton Talia.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
Hey. I thought I was going to make the introduction.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
I did as well, but then you were so then
I thought, oh, I guess I better here I do.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
So, Hi, Chiller's little public service announcement. Just wanted to
let you know that we did get extra chatty this episode,
and so I would not expect to hear anything, but
I would not expect to hear anything of relevance till

(01:14):
about twenty eight minutes in.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
We got in the weeds. I got in the weeds
just so you know, surprise, surprise.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
So all right, having said that, please enjoy the show.
How you doing pretty good? How about you? Good?

Speaker 2 (01:36):
I'm tired today? Well I didn't, but all of a sudden,
I do. Who the hellos Tata's hell out?

Speaker 1 (01:45):
Yeah? I hate it. I mean, we had.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
A nice run of pretty nice weather the last few days.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
Yeah, I guess compared to all the rain.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
But oh yeah, I forgot about all the rain, which
I'm pretty sure this coming week is like all rain
something like that.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Well, I don't like it, of course. Not.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
What have you been up to? Any readden any new
fish folk fish friends?

Speaker 1 (02:12):
That a crime needs to be cleaned.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
It's very lush, like a.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
Overly lush less thank you. No, I have not been reading.
I do have a new project i'd like to tell
the chillers about. Please do I really hope someone is interested.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
I think many will. Well, I hope I think many
will be.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
Don't want to take that for granted. Take that as
a for.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Sure granted I think makes sense.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
Yeah, all right, fine, I don't want to make assumptions, right, Yes,
So I created and I think I might have mentioned
this like months and months and months ago, like sort
of what in passing? But I created my own oracle deck. Yeah,
my own eighty two card oracle deck.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Now riddle me, slash us this What is typical of
an oracle deck? Literally? Anything goes like the free Okay.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
Yeah, there is no typical. That's the it's the beauty
of it, right, It's like the opposite of Tarot. You know,
Tarot follows a very strict structure. Oracle cards can be
literally whatever you want, however many you want. They can
mean anything or nothing.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Okay, now next question, why.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
Well, could I tell them though what it actually is?

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Yes, but don't yet? What why though? Eighty two?

Speaker 1 (03:42):
Just because I liked it.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
The number like you? So upon creating this, you were like,
I want to do eighty two cards? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (03:49):
Oh okay, shit, I knew every every Tarot deck has
seventy eight, and I didn't want There are oracle decks
out there that are like twenty thirty cards, and I'm like, no, no, no, no,
I still want it to be super intricate with like
all these different cards, and I don't know. I just

(04:09):
was like, I think I actually want a few more
than taro. But I knew I couldn't get it. Too
many cards you wouldn't be able to shuffle them correctly,
So I settled on eighty two.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
Okay, thank you for of course.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
So the deck is called the Rainfall and Reverie Oracle Deck.
You can now find it on TikTok under Brent Aaron
on TikTok so. I yeah, I just devoted my TikTok,
which I never made videos before, so it wasn't that
hard to devote it to that. But so now I
started doing card spotlights. I've been introducing the cards to everybody.

(04:44):
I just did my first like pick a card reading
things like that. So that's what I'm doing. And any
of the chillers that have TikTok, I would be completely
completely delighted if you would just follow that account because
it would be just nice to see. It would be

(05:05):
nice to see some followers on there. You don't have
to pick a card if you don't want to. So yeah,
it's a nature based oracle deck and you know, it
was a very fun project. And I'm selling them sporadically
at the moment, and I have a bunch of cards

(05:28):
on their way so that I can start selling them
at like local shops or maybe at local craft fares
and things like that. And certainly if anybody wants to
buy one from me, you just send Chillworthing an email
and I will be sure or the TikTok right of course,

(05:49):
either one, I'll be sure to put you on the
waiting list because they're gonna take like they're coming by
sea everyone, so it's gonna take a while. Writy bargey.
So yeah, that's what I've been up to.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
Very nice.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
Do you have any other questions as a lay person?

Speaker 2 (06:09):
Oh my god, no, fine, I don't.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
What about you?

Speaker 2 (06:18):
I feel so dozy and I never feel like this.
Maybe you drugged me downstairs. Yeah, I just feel like
I just when it's your turn to present, I'm not
gonna do that.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
I'm not gonna waste the pills.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
Oh my gosh, I just I don't know why.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
I feel like, Well, you better wake up, girl.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
I know, all right, Yeah, I was reading quite a.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
Bit and talk about dozy start what'd you say?

Speaker 2 (06:51):
Are you implying me talking about books will put you
to sleep?

Speaker 1 (06:55):
Probably?

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Fun? Okay? Since we just well, no, I guess really
what I should say? Since we met last I finished
The Color Purple. Yeah, yeah, very fascinating. Read like I
had a very different image in my head of what
that was going to be about. It was fantastic. The author,

(07:16):
Alice Walker, she is brilliant and the way that she
wrote this book. It's in letter form, and it really
highlights between two characters, like their difference in like just
how they have sort of survived in the world and
what life looks like to both of them in the

(07:37):
areas that they grew into being an adult, and like
the experiences that they've had. It was just it was
it was insane. It was so well done. I gave
it four stars. I also started Sandwich, which I think
I had talked I think I talked about it a
few episodes ago. It's just about like a family who

(07:58):
goes to the beach for a week at this beach house.
They've been doing it for years, but a lot of
like interesting themes come up. It's sad, but not like
terribly sad.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
It sounds like every book you've ever read. Right, I
couldn't say if I've heard about it before.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
Yeah, it was very good. I gave it four stars
as well.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
I also, so you're saying there's not a murder or something,
not so far. They just go to the beach, is
what you're reading about?

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Correct?

Speaker 1 (08:25):
Well?

Speaker 2 (08:25):
I finished as I said.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
Well you said not so far, So what do you
mean none of the family members died, like by falling
off a cliff or correct?

Speaker 2 (08:36):
But I mean, like just in these two I have
not read any murders. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Then
I read a graphic novel by Kristen Radkey. I believe
it is how you say it. It's called Seek You,
and it's a journey through American loneliness. It was, you know, good,
very heavy read. So the author just goes through basically

(09:02):
loneliness and contributing factors. How different things in society going
back to I honestly don't remember, possibly the fifties to
like now, and different factors that play a part in
people's loneliness. What home, life, childhood, so many different things
at play. Very fascinating, but definitely a darker kind of book.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Then I read Mad Woman by Chelsea Beaker Byeeker Becker.
I don't think Becker, but I'm not sure. Oh my god,
this book was fantastic. I gave it four stars. Major
trigger warning for people. It is heavy with domestic violence,

(09:51):
heavy heavy, and I just feel like it is so
well done by the author. There's no way she is
not writing from experience. It's it's a novel, but oh
my god, it was so well done, fantastic. What is
this called mad Woman?

Speaker 1 (10:07):
So is it supposed to be a thriller or it's
not a thriller. It's just a look that up.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
I don't think thriller, but it has death, hold on,
hold on, hold on fiction, mystery, thriller, contemporary literary, literary,
literary fiction, and suspense are the categories. I did guess
three things, and that made me said, but it was fine.

(10:37):
It literally was just fine that way because it was
such a fantastic freaking book. So highly recommend. All right,
I am currently reading Jaws. I told you that I
was going to starting it ye leading up to July fourth,
which actually we have to talk about that as well.
Not very far. I'm like twenty five percent. I'd say,

(11:00):
very good, very fascinating. With the differences between the book
and the movie, which real quick I didn't mention this.
The author is Peter Benchley, and I had told you
that my mom got me the fiftieth anniversary edition, so
in that the white.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
Belief, that's when you were being yes, I do.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
Believe you're correct. So his wife, the author's wife, gives
the forward in this she is still living, he is deceased.
Then it gives the introduction of the original like printing
of this book by the author, and like just when
I said about the differences between the book and the movie,
So one part I wanted to read that I just

(11:41):
got so sucked into this. Okay, So he's talking about
in his intro because the movie was made very quickly
after the publishing of the book, like there wasn't a
big gap in between, which is like not terribly, I
feel like common no, you know, adaptation seller right, and
even that, like I was saying that I just think
it's so fascinating that sharks are now more popular. But

(12:05):
he talks about this in the intro too, how like
they really weren't then though, and for this book to
have taken off like it did and then the movie
no less well, actually let me read this first, so please.
So the very end of the intro by the author,
Originally he goes, I had never written a screenplay, but
I had asked for and been given permission to write

(12:27):
the first couple of giraffes of Jaws the movie. At
our first meeting, after an exchange of pleasantries, Richard Zanook
said to me, I'm paraphrasing here. This picture is going
to be an a to Z adventure story, a straight line.
So we want you to take out all the romance stuff,
all the mafia stuff, all the stuff that'll just be distracting.

(12:48):
You who have never read Jaws, you who have only
seen the movie. I can see you frowning. I can
hear you saying to yourself, romance, mafia, what is he talking?
What is he talking about? Where's all that stuff? Read on?
Please and discover for yourselves. Oh my god. That hit me,
Like I literally was saying those things to myself, like

(13:08):
the movie does not have anything with romance, nothing with
the mafia. So I'm saying all this to Action one
night and I said, this is a family movie.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
I told you yes, And she's like I was absolutely blown,
Like that blew my socks off.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
So was she. She just like looked over at me
and she's like, Joss is not a family movie. I say,
it surely is. That is always how I've.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
Thought of it, a feel good family film.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Oh my god. So then, like I said, like she
and I were talking about it, and I said, you know,
between the book being as popular as it was when
it was, then it's like when you think of the
movie and that it didn't have those themes in it
of romance, which typically are what people like to see,
Like that does boost popularity of movies, does not? Romance?

Speaker 1 (13:58):
Gross.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
I mean, I agree with you, but yes, and then
the Mafia. I feel like that was around like Godfather Time,
which like that was a huge hit. So like the
fact that Jaws didn't have any of that movie wise,
and it was still such a successful movie. I think
it's just wild. It's just incredible.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
Anyway, Well, all right, I told you that when I
was at the beach.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
I that's what I was about to get to mixed.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
For me or you, because I.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Still discussed I wanted to save it for the podcast.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
Yeah, well I did watch it because you know, part
of the Oracle cards is that I was taking them
to the beach because there was a like there's a
shop down there that was you know, kind of like
introducing the audience to them and stuff. So I took
them and personally delivered them and so but I was

(14:51):
there for a few days.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
And when in Rome you thought, well, yeah it.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
Was it was the fiftieth anniversary. I was there by
my myself, so I was like, all right, show me.
Of course, I've seen it multiple times before, have always
been very uncomfortable with it, and that theme absolutely remained.
I tried to like take myself out of it as
much as I could, so always like looking at the
trivia and like the goofs and keefs, and I will

(15:21):
say there were there were things I was seeing where
it was saying it was either the writer or the
director of the movie one.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Even Spielberger, one of those one of those Steven Spielberger movies.
I know you don't like that.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
I think that's the dumbest joke that goldkills ever did it.
It was either the writer of the book or the
maker of the movie. I don't remember who, but somebody
made a comment that said they regret, they regret doing
this because of how bad the rap got on sharks.
So I thought that was nice.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
The author talks about that in the intro as well.
I agree with you.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
And I mean, I can't necessarily say I don't think
that that shark. He doesn't strike me as a villain
like supposed to. Yeah, but he doesn't. He just still
seems like an animal to me that's hungry as shit
and scary as hell. So I have I was. I
said to you, I had visceral reactions whenever that shark

(16:19):
would pop out of the water, not because it was
like a jump scare, but because of how absolutely primal
my fear is on that creature disgusting. I think that
the man that quint Man is a total bastard.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
Well and fun fact which I know I said this
to you the other day, Like I think what just
helped with his role in that movie is he was
literally drunk in life throughout the filming of it. So
I just think it added to that character as sad
as that whole thing is.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
But and I feel like people probably you know, root
for for the police chief, but like I still think,
you know, the way he let that bastard of a
mayor bully him into keeping the beaches open, you know,
just because like whatever I don't go for it.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
You would enjoy that, at least so far. In the
book where I've read like he is he has a
stronger backbone in the book than in the movie, and
he tries to fight harder and is more oppositional, but
there's like other factors that like really just prevent him
from doing so. But like he definitely puts Offia a

(17:34):
bigger fight. I shall not say.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
I feel like in the movie at least, right I
feel like, okay, if you don't want to directly go
against the Mayor's orders, please that at least then have
it be like a whistleblower, like an anonymous letter to
a bigger authority than you, to be like there's a
problem here everybody.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
Well, there also is kind of this other side of
that when this issue is starting out in the in
the book, I mean of like writers, like newspaper writers
that play a part as well with kind of like
the whistle blowing bit that you're talking about, but also
like the complete controversy and like cover up that's going on.

(18:18):
So they definitely, like in every book adaptation for a movie,
there's like so much more to the book. Yeah, they're
speaking of that. Also, I said to you the other day,
just the Alex scene is handled very differently in the book,
like they don't show any of that or obviously it's
a book, but like something happens, there's one possible witness.

(18:40):
Other than that, no one sees what happened, so like
they're looking at it as like he's kind of a
missing person, you know, they're kind of waiting to see
if a body shows up, like all they have.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
Like it's not obvious that he's killed, correct.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
Right, So it's I'm enjoying it. It's very very good.
It's better than I was expecting it was going to be,
so stay tuned definitely, thus far better experience than dress.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
Makes me very sick, I know.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
And speaking of that, we have to tell the chillers
we saw the new one, right.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
I wasn't blown away same.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
I think I disliked it more than you did. Neither
of us were thrilled though.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
But what's insane, though, is when we're sitting in there,
you were making all of these positive comments. I was,
oh my god, whoa, whoa Wow.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
I wouldn't say those were positive. It had a lot
of jump scar reactions that worked on me. I was
covering my eyes like my distance I cover that I
do in horror movies. I was doing that. I jumped
multiple times. But it doesn't like, yeah, that's great from
a horror movie perspective, but like what I wanted it

(19:47):
to be. Like all with the others. How the others
all resonated with me, even though ones I didn't really
like that much. Nothing like this.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
This was just they were mutants. Oh yeah, they were mutated.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Yeah, and you know, I love my velociraptors. And they
barely made a splash in this, which I think is
just better for them, and what splash they did was
not positive, so at least it was brief and fleeting.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
I also started I remember that book that I bought
when we went to the bookstore recently ish, and I
was like obsessed with the premise of it. The hyper canes.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
Oh oh, yes, I thought they were mega canes.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
Jesus right, that's why you didn't, I was saying, it is, Well,
I stopped reading it, so I okay. So I started it.
I forget when I only got to forty percent, but
then I stopped so I could start Jaws, so I
have to go back to it. But I started it
when it was like super rainy. And this is called
All the Water in the World by Aaron erin Cafel.

(20:54):
I'm not sure Aaron erin, Well, it's E I R
v N like Siren.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
I don't know. I don't know, so you know what
I do know? Though we're at twenty minutes.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Yeah, well we have more to talk about. Well, all right,
And lastly, I'm currently reading I'm at sixty five percent
Rare Birds by Jeff Miller. It's about a little boy
he's twelve, his mother has like major cardiac issues that
are going on like as for as long as he
can remember. Basically his father passed away. It's just him

(21:25):
and his mom, no other siblings, and they have moved
like all over the country over the years to try
to get her like help at different clinics throughout the US,
and they just like landed in Miami, Florida. And no,
I'm sorry, not Miami, Florida, Florida. I think it's Sugarland
is the town. And there's a major like bird theme

(21:49):
in it. That's fantastic that I'm enjoying, kind of like
a coming of age vibe.

Speaker 4 (21:55):
You know I do?

Speaker 1 (21:57):
And uh yeah again once again, I'm speed.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
No, my gosh, you would not like coming of age. Hello,
those are some of my faves. So it's fine so far,
I'm enjoying it. It's not like the best thing I've
ever read, but I'm definitely going to continue and you know,
finish it.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Well, I would hope you would, right, So that's it. Okay, Well, right,
that's all the time we've gone.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Oh it's not. Actually, what are you happy for? What
are you grateful for? What do you find soul soothing?

Speaker 3 (22:26):
Well?

Speaker 1 (22:26):
I saw this article today, and I was going to say,
because I think this is very nice news to hear.
This happened in South Carolina and apparently there was an
endangered bird that's native there and he's been endangered for
a long time, and this is the first time since
the nineteen seventies that the bird has returned to the

(22:48):
state of South Carolina that's wild and he is called
the red cockaded woodpecker.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
Oh woodpecker.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
So their population was like really really dwindling for years,
but there was recent recovery efforts which were like about
like land protection and habitat yabit habitat habitat habitat management,
and they proved successful. So they are now back there,

(23:23):
you know, living in the states, right, So I mean, well,
not thriving yet, but they have re emerged, which is fantastic.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
Hell yeah, So I am obsessed with woodpeckers. They're absolutely
one of my favorite Probably are they my favorite bird?
Let me think about other birds here? Uh well, I
love sandpipers. I'd say top three. They're up there. And
ever since I was a little girl, I remember we
had one in our neighborhood. Oh my god, I love

(23:50):
the sound. Just yesterday walking around outside heard one. I
just love that sound. I think they're magical.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
What's yours? What your thing that you're happy about?

Speaker 2 (24:02):
So this morning Ashulely put on this like little mini
documentary about Golden Girls. Yeah to be if anyone's interested
in watching. It had a lot of the same stuff
that we've like always seen they say exactly. But you know,
they had like a stelgetty Son. God love him so

(24:25):
freaking cute. I don't remember ever seeing him or like
hearing about him. He was precious. He had a T
shirt on for it that was like her face and
that said picture at Cecily. It was I know, I know,
And he was just a joy. And they had different people,
Like there's a podcast that I feel like we haven't
discussed on here, but we've discussed it among ourselves. I

(24:48):
don't know if you've ever listened to I haven't.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
I wish they would let us guest star out on
a ONEI yeah those people guys, yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
Yeah, so one of them. I don't. I was like
Ashley was watching it, but I was in and out
of the room as she was watching it, so I
didn't see everything. But but there was a drag queen
on that was giving, you know, their interpretation of different
things with the show, and right one of the topics
was like, you know, for its time, how insanely popular

(25:18):
Golden Girls was, and like not necessarily at a time
where you would have thought it would do well and
as well as it did with the different topics.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
And theme, very progressive.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
Exactly, and they were saying, how you know it basically
it was such like a pillar basically in the LGBTQ
community because chosen family was such a theme of the show,
which is such a theme and the LGBTQ community and
like so important, And I just loved that and I

(25:47):
and I'm just grateful that that show existed when it
did where some people depending on like how isolated they
felt or like the loneliness that they felt, and like
if that is literally the only way that they could
connect for time, especially like by themselves in their own
house or hopefully we're.

Speaker 5 (26:04):
Over there, that they had a safe space. I feel
like this show also exists as a safe space. And
I just love how they were also talking about how
like I didn't realize that Golden Girls was syndicated before
it even went off the air, Like it started syndication
in nineteen eighty nine and it is still continued, I mean,
never ever lapsed. And I just I think that's absolutely heartwarming.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
I just I think it's the best show ever created.
And I'm not joking.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
I mean, I agree, I know you're not, and I agree.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
It's a piece of art.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
Oh my gosh, Yes, that's that. Oh that was another
thing I wanted to say to you. So do you
know I meant to say or I started to say
this to you when I first got here today, but
I wanted to save it for here. It also said
in this that Rue McClanahan, after Gigi's went on to
star in Wicked for a brief time on Broadway, you
knew that I did not, so not that I'll know

(26:59):
whatever you say. But who as who?

Speaker 1 (27:01):
Like?

Speaker 2 (27:01):
Who was she?

Speaker 1 (27:02):
What was Madam Morrible?

Speaker 2 (27:03):
What is? Who's that? Is that?

Speaker 1 (27:04):
Like a she was a teacher at the school that
they went to?

Speaker 2 (27:07):
Uh huh? Is it like a likable character?

Speaker 1 (27:09):
No?

Speaker 2 (27:10):
Oh shit? Really yeah?

Speaker 1 (27:12):
Like a villain kind of likable?

Speaker 2 (27:14):
But then not uh huh uh huh like that cutie
little woman in Pink and Harry put her that one.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
I wouldn't say she was ever likable? Yeah, you're right, so.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
No nasty little thing, but we didn't realize just how nasty.
But I mean, I suppose when you first saw her,
I guess is what I'm talking about. She was cutie,
but then.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
You very quick Yeah that's me. So all right, Well,
good job for what with you know, really putting that
into words. Thank you, delicately, beautifully poetically.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
So now that we're twenty seven minutes, how about you
tell us why we're here today?

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Absolutely, I shall, and my topics are almost always shorter
than yours, so you know, I think it's all going
to work out because the topic, like, it doesn't matter
that we just did all this for you know, a
freaking hour, because.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
Absolutely all right, how about you tell us.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Put my hair up pulled on one minute? So my
topic today is champ He or she is the sea
monster who lives in Lake Champlain.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
Oh all right, I mean may be a cousin to
the Lochness monster in a way funny no, no, uh yeah,
I agree. Well, I'm sure in the cryptic world that
it would be considered a cousin another sea serpent.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
I'm going to get to that in terms of dinosaur world,
because there's some theories, of course, that it's a plusiosaurus,
which I think better than moses Saurus roast well, but
that then, which I'm not going to get into this
right now. But do you know what a zouglidon is?

(29:01):
Because I never heard of that?

Speaker 1 (29:03):
Sure, don't.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Okay, it's an apex predator. I'll get to this, Yeah,
to this all right. So for those of you who
are not familiar with I guess New England, Sure areas.
Lake Champlain, which is where champ or Champy lives, is

(29:27):
one hundred and twenty five mile long. I did not
know that it was that big. It's freshwater shared by
New York and Vermont, with a little portion extending slightly
into Canada. Yeah, so it has drawn a ton of
tourism into Burlington, Vermont specifically, and then Plattsburgh, New York.

(29:47):
Those are the two areas.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
That now Burlington, Vermont, Vermont. Isn't that where Mara Murray
was talking about going, because I could have sworn I
said that, and you said it's a lovely area.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Well, I said that because we've been.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
There, right, No, not because you were there with Mara.
I'm just saying, like, I think that's where she was
looking to go before she disappeared.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Anyway, come up, I see what you're yes saying, yes, right, okay,
go ahead, all right, So there have been over three
hundred reported sightings of champ E.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
Yeah, let's call, well, which are you going with?

Speaker 2 (30:23):
I guess Champy. I mean that's what I would like
to cry, I think. So it's very endearing and right, okay,
sweet angel, and you know it.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
I haven't even heard about him yet.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
Well, if he's a muck monster, he's not fine.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
All right. So the first sighting was in eighteen nineteen,
and it just became a regional icon at that point, which,
like I said, then promoted tourism. Champi's well, Champion's namesake
slash Lake. Champlain's namesake is Samuel Das Champlain. I know

(31:01):
if I'm saying that correctly.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
Samuel Jackson, I don't know, man that he supposedly was
the first to see Champion.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
Oh okay, but it was misleading because based off what
he said, it was like the characteristics that he described
in one of his journals. It was not anything besides
a long nose gar which hold on, I'll show.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
To you like an alligator gar Nah.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
Well, I guess you could say that.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
I've seen pictures of those beneath the surface, and that's chilworthy.
I'll tell you that.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
I was thinking more. Hold on, I'm finding it this. No,
just like a long nose large fish.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
Yeah, is that what you're talking about? Basically? But they're big.
They're big sometimes like big big o's. Yes. Well but okay,
so he was mistaken.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Hold on, I have to go back to that part
in my notes. Yes, so he was mistaken. Well, what
you're talking about there are varieties of this in terms
of like size, like he was saying that it was
as it was a serpent, and it was thick as
a barrel, had a head like a horse.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
Oh my god, that's disgusting already.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
Yeah, yeah, scary, I agree.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
Nothing just looking at you from under the water apps
a freaking lily.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
Not yeah, not great, I mean jarring, I would think.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
Yeah, I would say. Anyway, So.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
Varies in length, with the largest being eight or ten
feet long. He was saying that he saw some five
feet long which were as large as his thigh, the
head being as big as his two fists, the snout
was two and a half feet long, and that it
had a double row of very sharp and dangerous teeth.
He compared it to a pike fish. He claimed that

(32:54):
it had scales so strong that a dagger could not
pierce them.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
And did he try to pierce them? I suppose somebody.
I'm dang poetic.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
Ten he was a mile okay. So in eighteen nineteen
there was a report entitled Cape and Serpent on Lake Champlain.
Captain Crumb reported the sighting.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
I know of Captain Crunch, I any relation.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
Enormous serpentine monster. He estimated the monster to be one
hundred and eighty seven feet long.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
And that's a specific estimate I know.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
And how do you eat?

Speaker 1 (33:44):
Like?

Speaker 2 (33:45):
I don't know, man, And that it was approximately two
hundred yards away from him. So I'm very bad with yards.
I don't know if you're better, but I packed it
up just to give you.

Speaker 5 (33:53):
Well.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
First I looked up an American football field, and then
I thought, are you going to appreciate though that distance?
Like to under?

Speaker 1 (33:59):
Like? Absolutely right?

Speaker 2 (34:00):
So an American football field is one hundred and twenty yards.
I figured this you would be better with an Olympic
sized pool.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
A pool is fifty.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Four point six eight yards.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
So four of those basically correct. Well, that's a long
way away, sir.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
Exactly exactly, So despite the great distance, he claimed to
have witnessed it, being that two sturgeons and a billfish
were following it, and he was able to see that
it had three teeth and eyes the color of peeled onions.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
Gag me, what this man is like that has the
vision of a hawk?

Speaker 2 (34:36):
Then you're going to say a hog and that it
had a belt of red around its neck and a
white star on its forehead. Captain Crum is a goon.
Let's just say, all.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
Right, an easy I think he's telling stories and series
my opinion, but whatever, right.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
In eighteen eighty three, Sheriff Nathan Mooney claimed he had
seen a water serpent about twenty rods, which that means
one hundred and ten approximate yards, which is a slight
what ten yard difference from an American football? Well, really,
I should say two pools?

Speaker 1 (35:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, slightly better? Right, Well, I was thinking
back to the crumb man unless unless he had a
telescope he was looking at I don't.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
Know that good. Well, if he's seeing shit this closely,
which this next.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
Do I mean when he's talking about birthmarks and stuff.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Oh, Sheriff Mooney here said that he could see round
white spots inside its mouth.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
Get the hell out of here. They have to be
they have to be looking through something. I mean.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
This creature appeared to be twenty five to thirty feet
in length, and his sighting led to many more alleged
eyewitnesses coming forward with their own accounts of seeing Champion.
Now this year not gonna like at all. In eighteen
eighty three and eighteen eighty seven, P. T. Barnum of
barn Him and Bailey. Oh, I'm waiting for it to click.

(36:05):
He was offering rewards for people.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
I bet he was him. I bet he was a
monster off And I'm for real freaking Barnum and Bailey, Okay,
so angry.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
Yeah, I know, as you should.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
They're horrible.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Oh absolutely, it's amazing. So no, I feel like we talked.
We personally talked about this before, but I don't know
if we ever did on here, but I feel like
we did. You have been to a circus when you
were little?

Speaker 6 (36:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (36:33):
Same, Yeah, my mom took me and my god, I
feel like I was five six of the most. We
never went back. I dare say I liked it. You
dare say that, I dare say I did.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
As a child. If you see an animal or not
even an animal, I guess, could you know arabit?

Speaker 2 (36:52):
There's they're sure man.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
But of course you're going to be like wow, because
you don't understand that the obscene nature of it. I
remember going as well, and I remember seeing the lions. No, no, no, no,
the protesters shit you out there that so you know

(37:16):
I I but no, that is completely I mean, we
do so much horrible things to so many animals in
so many different venues. But when it just gets down
to just purely for entertainment reasons, good god, But no,
that's it.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
I know, man. I also remember the elephants.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
Oh remember them too, And.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
They did have a sad vibe to me even then,
like I could know what was going on.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
Right right, Okay, we got to get off this topic.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
All right. I want to show this to you though,
because I'm going to be talking about it. So this
is called the Mancy photograph, So of Champion. So in
nineteen seventy seven, Sandra Mancy took this picture. She was
on vacation with her family, and it appears that Champion
has his head out of Lake Champlain. Okay, now the

(38:06):
like entire lake is no deeper than.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
Fourteen feet okay, deep enough for me.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Yeah yeah, but if it's okay, it's just interesting, like
that's pretty shallow.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
I was. I'm bringing it up on my computer so
I can see the picture better.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Yeah, okay, So it just seems unlikely, like forget about
being able to hide out in this water, but to
just comfortably swim, you'd find it. Possibly.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
He looks like he's got a cutie little head, like
a bronosaurus. Oh yeah, not like an alligator gar just
so we all get the picture to relate here. Yeah, yeah,
like a cute little bronosaurus out for a swim. Little
foot Oh my god, oh my god. I have on
my my my shirt. Italia's wearing the Land Before Time shirt.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
It's really good. He has them all on here. We
talked about Earl.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
I'm actually surprised that it has Chomper on there, jumper,
because he appeared later on. He wasn't in the first movie.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
They are very inclusive on the shirt.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
I'm just saying he wasn't in the original anyway, that
I man, I know, I do.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
So there were two investigators who came out. I'm not
sure where they were from or like in terms of
I don't know who they were affiliated with. But one
was Joe Nicol and one was Benjamin Radford, and they
went out and they met with Sandra, and she looks
like a cutie pie, and everyone looks jovial in the
photo that I found of the three of them. But
the one investigator, Joe, did not find any of this

(39:46):
to be probable. Like, now look again at the photo
that you brought up. He was saying that he thinks
it was either a rising tree trunk coming out of
the water or a log that got like lodged in
there at a weird angle.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
It's a pretty damn weird angle.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
Gonna say, it's so rubbery like soft, you know what
I'm saying, Like there aren't sharp angles to it. So
I don't know about that. So the there was a
book hold On. So there's a book called The Untold
Story of Champ by Robert E. Bartholomew. And he goes

(40:20):
into like a deep dive. And this photo that Sandra
took was sent to Philip Raines, who was a nautical
expert at the State University of New York at Plattsburgh,
which is, you know, the town a nautical expert, so
he could examine the photo and then hopefully, you know,
authenticate it. And there were two vital elements of this

(40:44):
picture that Sandra, not that she was like trying to
be difficult, but like she just didn't have the information
and it didn't make her look very credible. Okay, So
they couldn't verify it because she claims she threw away
the negative.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
Oh for good, which you know does she worked for
the police department. Ridiculous now, to be.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
Fair, though, nineteen seventy seven, and we'll forget nineteen seventy
seven us growing up, like we didn't. I remember we
kept the negatives, but I don't remember us ever going
through them.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
Like no, but you also weren't taking pictures of sea monsters.
I mean, it's a little different when you're taking it
fall from your dog in the backyard versus a freaking dinosaur,
Like you might be a little more careful, like, hey,
I had this really cool negative I just developed of
a sea monster. We don't need this anymore. Come on,
and there's really nothing for scale either.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
It's so funny that you say that basically, yes, that's okay,
which is gonna lead me to another thing that okay
art art. So she threw away the negative. And then
the other thing is she couldn't quite say where she
was when she took the photo of course, so Sandra
kind of got not that Sandra got blown to bits,
but Sanda his stewory got blown to bits.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
So you know, with her, I'm still not saying she
was fake in anything. I'm just saying I.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
Don't think she I don't think she was setting this
up like here, let's do this, let's get investigators out here,
let's say it's champy. I think she probably saw some
malarchy and ran with it. And then I don't think
she's like a schemer, right, yeah, So they were just

(42:29):
completely unable to authenticate it. There was it was just
impossible to determine. Also, I didn't realize this without the negative,
there was no way to magnify it, so they couldn't
like enlarge it, they couldn't be able to see more detail.
And they also doubted that it was even taken in
Lake Champlain. Ah, I know, I know.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
What a freaking I know, a bunch of bullshit.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
So he raised many you know, potential red flags that
he detailed in his book. Okay, so now in two
thousand and.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
Five, I'm sorry, Can I say something quick?

Speaker 2 (43:07):
Absolutely? I just welcome it just because Oh did I
say something inappropriate?

Speaker 1 (43:12):
No, just because of underneath the photo that I was
looking at.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
Oh, I hope you're not about to say the next thing.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
I'm going to say, Well, you just skipped time. I'm talking,
but this is what you were just talking about. But
now you just jumped ahead in years.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
Are you back with Sandra in the seventies, Yeah, Okay,
go ahead.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
I just noticed that it's said here they're talking about
the missing negative, and it said that there was a
discrepancy over what happened to it. So Sandra said they
threw it away, something they did with all the negatives
of pictures they took. But her husband, talking to this
investigator alone, had said that they buried or burned it

(43:55):
because the experience that they had was so fearful.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
So I think he just sunk the story even deeper.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
Well, I'm just saying because then this guy goes on
to say, besides contradicting Sandra's account, if the picture was
so distressing as to necessitate burning it or burying the negative.
Why the hell do you keep the photo pinned up
on a bulletin board in your kitchen? So anyway, it's
not my case, but I did see them, and I
wanted to piss it.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
Along noting that, but like, how the hell close were
you to this? Let's be real, like tree stump and
you're feigning fear, you know what I'm saying. Nobody once
said anything about being on a boat in the water,
even if you're near shore, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
Of course, they make it sound like this, like this
thing was like a ghost captured on picture that you're
scared you're bringing home, Like this is not anyway anyway,
go ahead, Okay, So.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
There was a video taken by fisherman Dick A. Folter
and his steps on Pete Bodette summer of two thousand
and five, so close amination of the images from this
couldn't be interpreted as either like head neck basically Sandra's
photo that body region of a plusiosaur like animal. There's

(45:12):
also this thing has an open mouth and one frame
closed mouth in another. There's also a speculation whether it
was just a fish or an eel. So two retired
FBI forensic image analysts reviewed this tape and they felt
that it appeared to be authentic, unmanipulated.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
Now this is a different video picture.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
It's a video. Oh yes, yes, two thousand and five.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
The thing I can't look at yet. You're saying that one.
Oh sorry that Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
That's my most I'm most excited for that. Okay, okay,
so then into so actually sorry. Prior to this video
with the two men in two thousand and three, the
Fauna Communications Research Institute which was working as part of
like a Discovery Channel program.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
Like Flora Fauna, and they were all very lovely.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
Hell yeah, our dream is to have three dogs and
name them that which would involve I would imagine like
three puppies at the same time, it would I don't
think so. So they recorded sound.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
And you also refused to have female dogs.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
No, I've lifted that.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
That's only then because you were pushed into it. No, well,
of course when you and actually got together and her
dog came along.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
That is correct.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
I would not have exactly used to have any female
animals in your home.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
Correct, that is correct? Right, yes, yes, and Junie has
lifted the band.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
I see yes, anyway, sorry, go ahead, yes, all right.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
Okay, all right, so recorded the sounds. Okay, So the
sounds were described as being similar to those produced by
Bluogi's which is my language for beluga whale for anyone
who's confused, or dolphins, neither of which are known to

(47:22):
live and like Champlaine.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
Correct, so fascinating seawater.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
So an article described the recordings, and this article was
published to Scientific Literature, and it explained that quote, the
sounds were likely a form of echolocation, despite none of
the known native creatures being able to echo locate. Yeah,
very weird, right, okay, Now my favorite part Miah, have

(47:51):
you ever heard of the movie and also book Lucy
and the Lake Monster? No, okay, So it came out
last year, twenty twenty four, and it is a story
of Loofy.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
What does Loofy have to say? I love Loofy?

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Oh my god, do you remember how popular loof is
used to be? Grimy little buggers.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
I've been using African net sponges.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
African net sponges. One moment, I have to look this
up all.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
Over the tickety talk, which, of course that's nine My
life is from TikTok.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
At this point, what are we say? African sea, sponge
net sponge net sponge hold on now? Do you remember
now there was something? Hold on now? Oh, geez, Louise,
this thing, oh you know what? This reminds me of
those things that we would stick our fingers in his
children and like it would yank us and.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
A Chinese finger trap.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
This reminds me no.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
But okay, now, how.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
Do you know this is sanitary? That think?

Speaker 1 (49:02):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (49:02):
It says quick drying, so I.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
Hang it up every time I'm done with it.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
And you like it, I assume because of the back factor, like.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
I like all of it though, because it foams so good.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
What was that black soap? Will you? You probably still
use it? I do.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
It's in my bathroom right now. African black soap?

Speaker 2 (49:23):
I do? What was that one brand? Though? We'll have
to discuss soon with a nice smell? Yes that's what. No, Oh,
you don't use that anymore?

Speaker 1 (49:34):
I have some, but I haven't in a long time.
But yeah, that smells so good.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
Could I take a whiff of it before I leave?
See if I want to order it?

Speaker 1 (49:40):
But you know, get back to this. Sorry, killers, Sorry.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
You shouldn't have distracted me.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
I do try my best to keep things on track.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
You do all right?

Speaker 1 (49:54):
Now, the movie oh right, right right, loofy so lo.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
Seeing the Lake Monster was a book, is a book,
they made it into a movie. So it's the story
of Lucy who is an orphan and she believes in
champ and she and her grandpa Papa Jerry look for
him despite like being mocked. And I don't know, like

(50:20):
there's like other forces it sounds like that are within
the town, like trying to like dissuade them from bothering
and it doesn't care. You know, they were opposed to this,
So anyone who's interested. I did not watch it, but
it is available to watch on Prime for free. Case
like I said anything, Oh right, so okay, I'll get

(50:42):
to that. So during post production of the film and
Me Yeah, filmmakers were reviewing their drone footage that they
took Dreams Yeah, and on August second, twenty twenty four,
they noticed what appeared to be a large creature swimming
just below the surface of the water in Bulwagga Bay.

(51:05):
The alleged creature is visible in the bottom right portion
of the screen Bulwagga swimming behind a boat on which
the two lead actors of the film were aboard the
boat was eleven point eight feet from the tip of
the bow to the stern and fifty and a half
inches sorry, four point.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
Two feet, don't apologize.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
At the widest point, the alleged creature appears to be
larger than the boat. Now, that's what I sent you
that I want you to watch. Yeah, you know, it
does not take much for me to believe in anything.
Sea Monster esk like, I want to believe. I want
it to be true so bad.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
I want to believe right that.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
It doesn't have to be much for me to be like,
oh my god, absolutely, that's what's going on here. I
will say, I you see what you think, But I
don't think it appears that this creature is larger than
the boat. It's quite a distance away from.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
The boat, so I can click on this now.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
Yes, and it's very sad how short it is as well.
But they haven't released the full thing, the whole thing.
I think it's a bit of a stretch.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
So I hate to say that. I mean, I will
definitely say, like, there is obviously something down there, but is.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
It like floating vegetation?

Speaker 1 (52:26):
Is it a school?

Speaker 2 (52:27):
I don't think it's a school of things it does
look to be like a mass of something.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
Yes, it looks to me like a whale, but I
know it's not obviously right. But it reminds me of
like a little humpback whale or something. Doesn't look like
a bronosaurus by any means. No, But I mean I'm
glad I'm not on that boat. That's all I can say.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
Had the opposite thought in my head, but also sad
because it didn't get anywhere near the boat. So it's
I mean, that's a drag, you know. I mean, I
suppose depend.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
On that's not a drag, need it or not? Right, Listen,
I'll take Mothman any day.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Are you joking?

Speaker 1 (53:04):
Now? I I'd rather be driving in the car and
see Mothman chasing down the car than being in a
boat and seeing little Champi or Busty or Busty Bamboozle
coming up.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
Behind me bamboozl. All right, So but this is the thing, Well,
two things I want to talk about. One I found
more details that I forgot to mention when we were
talking about Barnum and bailet Well, really, to be fair, Barnum,
so when I was saying how he had put out
the reward. Yeah, so back to that just quickly. So

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he had offered fifty thousand dollars at the time. Now
let's not forget eighteen seventy three.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
Yes, yeah, fifty.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
Thousand dollars price for anyone who could bring him. Quote
the hide of course he wants.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
He sounds like astan, you know, sick.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
Well, look up a picture of him, because he certainly
didn't look like him. He looks like a.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
Kookie dude, all right, he didn't look like this.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
Like to look up his picture and you'll know what
I'm saying, Barnum. You said, yes, pet, Barnum. He looks
like he got electrocuted one night by himself. Well, I
guess he doesn't have to be by himself. But he
looks Cook's movie.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
Oh yeah, he's not. Doesn't look like a stun and no.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
No, okay, So quote the height of the Great Champlain Serpent,
and he wanted to exhibit it in his World's Fair
Show seventy three. In eighteen eighty seven, he put up
a twenty thousand dollars bounty for the sea serpent, dead
or alive. He suggested that a search party with boats
and gatling guns be used.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
Well, that's like what happened in Jaws.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
True, you know they're all out there. I'll be bopping
around that man goes those people are going to die
in that boat whenever. I forget what that scene was.
That was an okay scene and they didn't that we
know of.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
No, you're correct, all right? What was I going to
say to you?

Speaker 1 (55:10):
Now they were out there with like harpoons? You said, yeah,
But I don't have.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
Anything else I want to say about that. Okay, So
what I'm most interested in here is, like I did
a bit of a deep dive so crypto zoology, which
I'm sure you know what that is. I of course
seen that. Yeah. So it's basically like the search for
monsters and mythical creatures. And I guess, are we technically crypto?

Speaker 1 (55:34):
Are we searching for them? No? Are we out there?

Speaker 6 (55:38):
No?

Speaker 2 (55:38):
But I was going to say, like me and sea monsters,
you and you in you and sasquatch esque, what do
you say, Bigfoot? Thank you that those are something that
we're fascinated by. Does that make us? Does that make
we a cryptozoo? I would say not correct, I agree,

(56:00):
I don't think because we are not.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
I just gave my dog a pill.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
I'm not a veterinarian, so I have to be administering
medical aids to a lot. But I'm anyway saying we haven't.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
I think if we would ever get off the couch,
maybe we'd be a little bit closer. But as of
right now, no, I.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
Have explored many a body of water, man made and
naturally from the shore from the sure correct looking for
sea monsters. All right, So two theories are that Champi
is a zooglidon.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
I don't know what. I've never even heard of that.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
So me neither.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
I didn't eat That doesn't shock me.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
That's so funny. You're an asp Well, this might jog
your memory because it's also called a bascillosaurus.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
Of course, no, I know bulbosaur.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
That thing was so hideous, right, the pokemon was a
terrible dinosaur at.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
The d Rex and you thought it was called the bulbosaurus.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
Its freaking was.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
It was terrible, you know. I saw a review on
it and they said that I guess it wasn't didn't
really come across in film like they were supposed to
have in the first few drafts of it. But it
was supposed to be because these things on the island
were so mutated. They were supposed to make it seem
like it was constantly in pain, you know, like just

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because it wasn't supposed to exist. You know, it had
all those extra like limbs and it was horrifying, right,
But they it didn't really come off that way. It
just kind of came off more like angry, angry and
hungry angry.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
I can certainly relate to that the majority of the time.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
All right, anyway, all right, so what are you showing me?

Speaker 2 (57:56):
So this is saying that they or an early ancestor
of modern whales with a serpentine like appearance. This is
what they look like, kind of varying in Okay, but

(58:16):
but please pay attention to that. So that's size wise
what we're looking at in terms of a human to them, I.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
Thought that was a finn. Oh okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
That's the whole body of one, right.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
I thought the human was a little fin on the matter. Okay, okay,
so they are, okay, yeah, I'm good with those.

Speaker 4 (58:39):
Well, they're an apex predator, so that's the thing. Yes,
But like my point is, if this.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
Has been going on for centuries, that Lake Champlain has zouglodons.
It people would boats would be getting capsized, swimmers would
be getting killed like it.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
Well, now, when's the last time we've seen an orca
eat a person in the wild. When's the last time
we've seen an orca tip over a boat? I mean,
you're right, thank you, you're right. It's not like Jaws.
That's why that's fake. Everybody Jaws, I mean jaws, sharks, mark.

(59:30):
They are not my favorite, but they're not villains.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
Thank you for being fair.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
Fair is fair?

Speaker 2 (59:39):
Now, this I thought was fascinating when you think of
most likely So okay, I okay, where size wise? What
is your impression of a plusiosaurs? Are we talking bronosaurus big?
Where in your head are they size wise compared to us?

Speaker 1 (59:58):
A school bus?

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Okay, so.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
Well where are you thinking?

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
I was thinking like a brontosaurus in the water.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
Okay, Well that's big, big, Yes, that's what I'm thinking about.
Half of that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
Maybe, Okay, So this is.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
No especially in a lake. I don't know their saltwater cousins.
Maybe big, bigger, big, right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
So this is what I had originally shown you at
the top of the zoogladon and the bottom picture is
a typical plesiosaurus. What that's how small they are.

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
It's like a puppy, And well that can't be so
I was that's like a seal.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
The different comments a big seal. The different comments were like,
oh my gosh, I had no idea plesiosaurus like is
supposedly you know, that's small, Like I had a very
different image in my head. Blah blah blah, on and
on the comments went. But I just think that makes
more sense in terms of an animal being able to

(01:01:12):
hide in fourteen feet of water in Lake Champlain. That's
not that deep into spots, and also in terms of
being able to swim. I just thought that was interesting,
so real quick. The plesiosaur was an ancient aquatic reptile
which likely existed over two hundred million years ago in
the Triassic period until the Cretaceous period ended with the

(01:01:35):
mass extinction with the mass extinction event of dinosaurs, and
that was approximately sixty five million years ago. You know.
The other major discrepancy is all of these reported sightings
of Champy describe him or her between ten to two
hundred feet long. Ridiculous, all across the freaking board map board,

(01:01:59):
both Matt, Yeah, the moored. So the most common and
most plausible is probably, you know, just a large fish
such as a sturgeon or a gar pike. So there
was a New York Times article in nineteen eighty one,
and scientists in that article explained that temperature inversions caused

(01:02:24):
by lake water chilling lower.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
Layers of air chillworthy.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
Can cause visual distortions called superior mirages, where that's a stick,
a shadow, a swimming dog or other floating.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
A swithing dog in photos the nuts.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
Uppere elongated or much larger than like, you know, it's
not a freaking dinosaur head, it's your dog, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
Okay, you didn't like that? Did and I think that's dumb,
all right, the floating branches and stuff. Fine, but you're
telling me nobody's gonna know the difference between their dogs
swimming up to them and a lake monster the hell
out of here that they.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
Can't recognize the difference. That you have Joe Schmoe taking
a picture.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
Of a Collie and thinking of a losciraptor.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
But telling people this is champy while it's you know, barnaby.
That's what I'm fine saying. Now this I think is
just absolutely heartwarming.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
I'll be the judge of that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
Just case Champy does exist, there are like protection acts
and Vermont.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
Oh, okay, that is absolutely heartwarming, and.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
I just think it's it's.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
Just mister Barnum wasn't a part of that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
No, but even the time so Vermont was passed and
Night two and the New York passed a similar resolution
the following year, So it just very vaguely says that
it protects Champion. There's a sign that was erected in
New York. Legendary lake Monster lives here. Over three hundred

(01:04:19):
sidings reported since eighteen nineteen, up to two hundred feet long.
New York state law protects this regional icon.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
Maybe we could go there sometime.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
Beautiful to see Champion.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
Well, to take a look for me. If I from
the shore.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
If I see so much as a bubble or think
I see a bubble from the shore, absolutely, I'm telling
you that's that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
They probably have tours for looking for him. I bet
they do tours. They have them for Nassy. I don't
see why they wouldn't have them for this little fella.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
Good point, you're right, So yeah, that historical marker I
think is beautiful. I agree Port Henry Specif in New
York declares their waters a safe haven for Champ. That
was in nineteen eighty one. Oh, I'm sure I sound
I will sound like a koop for saying this wouldn't

(01:05:12):
be the first time ever. But I just think it's
absolutely beautiful that as like there's so much skepticism around
this and like this has not been able to be
proven that Champion is literally protected by law on both
sides of the lake by two different states, like just
in case.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
What Canada got to say about it all that makes
me a little You know, they are a couple.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
Mom's the word.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
Oh, I was gonna say, they are way too nice.
They are not going to be the ones that try
to kill that freaking sea monster. And we all know what.

Speaker 6 (01:05:49):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
I knew when you're right when you looked.

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
At me like that, I thought you were gonna say
that they have a bounty out on it, like get
out of here, No way Canada would do that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
It's just where I didn't go on a deep dive
about Canada. But it's odd like in all this stuff
that nothing came up about them specifically. But that's that
no big deal. So that's it. What are your thoughts?

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
Sounds like a sweet local legend, you.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
Know, oh legend only you think interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
Well, we can't prove it otherwise.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
I'm not saying we can.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
So that's what I'm saying. Yeah, I was gonna say,
I mean something like that. Again. Again, if I was
on land, I wouldn't mind pulling up a seat, maybe
getting some binoculars and having a few good looks around.

Speaker 6 (01:06:39):
You're going to say a few Bruskies absolutely like youless
but yeah, Cosmo or two and just you know, take
in the site, see what I see.

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
So what are your thoughts? I very much believe I
have to you want to be yes, I can, except
that you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
Know, these things just don't come out of f and
nowhere you know what I'm saying. Like and when I
was doing this research, I the one article had like
my god, like eight or nine sub I don't know
what topics. I guess related topics, one in China, one
in this place, one in that place, like so many.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
Different and I yes, in that place.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
And you know, not to speak of the I only
looked up like two others and just very you know,
brief overview. But like just back to CHAMPI alone. How
can this have started that many centuries ago? And it's
just wild to me like that this continues with eyewitnesses

(01:07:54):
and like people with these like accounts of content act contact,
but sightings. I guess I should say I I think
it's beautiful.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
Yeah, I think it's a lovely story.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
I don't know if I ever.

Speaker 1 (01:08:12):
Yeah, go ahead, nothing, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
I don't think I ever said the sun here. I've
definitely said it to you multiple times. But when I
was a little girl, and I don't know how old
I was when I first found out NeSSI was a thing,
and I, you know, my dinosaur obsession was going on,
so I think I was in the right frame of
mind for this. And then you know, introduced like the

(01:08:38):
connection to water, I was even more just fascinated. And
then there was this man made reservoir near where we lived,
and at my age then, like everything else, when you're little,
it seems like enormous. So to me, it was just

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this huge body of water.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
And vast yeah, massive.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
Yes, And I remember saying to my mom like there
could be something like lockness in there, and God love her.
I vividly remember her reaction. She didn't bet an eyelash.
She is that how that goes bad and I bad
and eyelash. Yeah, she without missing a beat so confidently,
was like absolutely, like absolutely could that could be in there?

(01:09:27):
And that's all I freaking needed to hear. I was
absolutely certain.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
Then you got on your floaties. Yeah that creeps me
out though, And.

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
Yeah, I have been sucked into this like thought since then?

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
How old were you when you first saw Jurassic Park? Like,
or was the dinosaur thing before Jurassic Park?

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
I feel like the dinosaur thing was probably four or
five ish. I'd have to ask her. Jurassic Park didn't
start it like I was our in my dinosaur mode.
I think if I hadn't been in my dinosaur mode,
Jurassic Park may have scared me. I didn't see it
in the theater, but I don't think I did at least,
but I'm pretty sure I saw it pretty early on

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of it coming out.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
I remember my dad saying he went to see it.
I clearly remember that as a kid. Yeah, being like
because when he said, it's about a park where dinosaurs
come to life, right, that's what he said. When he
got home, I think he went by himself if I'm
not mistaken. And I remember in my head, I thought
that that meant an amusement park where the dinosaur rides

(01:10:35):
came to life like not like real dinosaurs, And I
remember thinking about it like that as a horror movie.
Maybe they can make that next You.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
Heard it right here, right now.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
Those theme park people are always thinking, well, you know,
what a lovely story you've told, Thank you, story you've
woven together. So it was, you know, very nice, very
charming and lighthearted.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
Very excited to till it. You know, I didn't know
Champy existed. I believe you the thought of Champy until
a year ago, I want to say, Eshley told me
I had no clue that was a thing.

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
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