The River Took Us: Pascagoula's Alien Encounter

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Speaker 3 (00:49):
Well we're having a back to back situation.

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Books, right, no books to talk about.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Sure you're thrilled.

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I mean you could have just split the other in half.

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So but you can ask me your zoo animal question.
Whatever that is?

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Speaker 1 (01:11):
What is it?

Speaker 2 (01:12):
What is what? Wait?

Speaker 1 (01:14):
What is you?

Speaker 3 (01:18):
Who you be?

Speaker 2 (01:21):
That reminded me of Michael and Holly. What is your
current favorite animal? If you were to go to a zoo,
of what a zoo typically has, even though we don't
condone zoos, and as a child, what was your favorite
zoo animal? They can be the same.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
Yeah, I mean I would assume as a kid, I mean,
I guess the elephants would really very exciting and big.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah, so.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
You know. But I also always had a nice camaraderie
with the zebras, did you you know I like z Bristol.
But now I would say, like I love little river otters.
Yeah they're not you know, so they're very yeah, active
and just sweet. So that's what I would say. What
about you giraffe?

Speaker 3 (02:13):
Giraffe giraffe straight through?

Speaker 1 (02:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah, But the fascination definitely began as a child. I
will never forget. I had this tiny, little miniature giraffe
stuffed animal that was probably like four inches maybe five,
tiny little thing and she had like a little puff
fluff you know where her forelock would be at the

(02:37):
top where oh yes, and no horns or anything on
this and I named her Tapanga and I loved her.
And I would just sit in front of those giraffes forever,
like I didn't want to leave them. I couldn't wait
to get to them, and I would just stare in awe.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
What a time?

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Right exactly?

Speaker 1 (03:04):
All right, Well that took about a sixty seconds, which
is great, which.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Is I think of other things, okay, aquarium, what not
that we condone them, but what is your favorite?

Speaker 1 (03:16):
And that's always tricky because if these animals came there
because they can't survive in the wild or something, then
I do you know, But like, I'm not I'm not
interested in like killer whale, bullshit freaking tenacum.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
So watch that documentary. If you haven't, haven't, you'll be
crying in your corn.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
It's horrible. So oh gosh, I don't know in terms
of that, I mean, I mean, I think octopus are
very fascinating to see.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
Yeah, they are smarty pants. So speaking of that, I
don't think I brought this book up. I don't remember
what year I read this. If it was last year,
we could have been doing the podcast or the year before.
Remarkably bright creatures. I don't know the author off the
top of my head. Is that how you say that?
Off the top of my head? Yeah? Yeah, And it's

(04:06):
a novel, but it's very accurate with how octopus are,
like intelligence level and like how mischievous they can be
and the trouble that they can get into like in aquariums.
And excellent, excellent book. I highly recommend it. I believe
I gave that one five stars. Okay, Yeah, all right,

(04:30):
so octopus child octopus?

Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yeah, octopus, no child, Probably dolphins, but I don't like
that either. Now, well, of course I don't think dolphins
should all should be held captive. But as a kid, yeah,
I mean, of course I wanted to see dolphins.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Did you ever swim with a dolphin?

Speaker 1 (04:49):
No?

Speaker 2 (04:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (04:50):
Maybe, but I mean I remember touching one at Discovery Cove.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Where was that?

Speaker 1 (04:55):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
Yeah, I think it.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
Was what Florida or Ohio something. I guess it was
SeaWorld Ohio.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
Yeah, I think that was the thing.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
Yeah, so what about you?

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Jellyfish and hammy heads? As an adult, As a child,
I loved everything. I don't honestly remember. I remember always
liking jellyfish. I remember loving sharks, but I don't think
I was like my preference for hammerheads was so prevalent,

(05:29):
like I was fascinated by them. I don't really remember.
Oh I did like what killed Stephen Irwin stingrays. I
did like stingrays. I did enjoy them. As an adult,
I'm like afraid of them. I love watching them. But
I'm just I wouldn't want to go swimming. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

(05:50):
I gotcha, Yeah, I would do it. Twist my arm.
But I'd be scaredy yeah, getting paled.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
I mean when we went to the Gatlinburg Aquarium, that
was a beautiful, beautiful place.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
Gosh, that was gorgeous. They had penguins. Correct, yes, yeah,
I feel like aquariums typically do.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
Well, it's your turn.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
It is so quite a hiatus.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
You want to lay it on me, I shall what is?

Speaker 2 (06:22):
I think You're going to be very surprised with my topic. Okay,
I am doing the Pascagoula alien abduction.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
I have no idea about any of this.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
I was hoping you didn't. I was nervous you would,
because you certainly are up on some of this more
than I am. Like, I am not.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
Aware at all.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
I feel like of any well now I am, but
of any alien abduction case.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
And but it's certainly different.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
So, oh my gosh, totally out of my wheelhouse of
interest and knowledge, you know.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
I do.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
But yally speaking, yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
Mean I'm excited to hear about it.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Well, good, I hope, Oh great? All right. So the
Pasco Gula abduction was in Pasco Gooula, Mississippi. Yeah. Charles
Hickson and Calvin Parker were the two men involved. I
will refer to Charles going forward as Charlie. Surely there

(07:24):
was quite an age difference between these two men. So
this occurred on October eleventh, nineteen seventy three. Charlie was
forty two, Calvin was nineteen, so they knew each other
through work. And if I'm so, some of these interviews
are a little tricky. I did my darkness trying to

(07:46):
find transcripts because their Mississippi accents not so much like
later on in life when they're interviewed, but at the
time of this occurring, Oh boy, you know, I'm terrible
with accents. I cannot understand anyone with any kind of
and this was particularly tricky. Like I don't think the
sound quality was good because it was the seventies. Their

(08:09):
way of speaking was just nothing that I've ever heard before.
And I'm listening to this like I and I even Ashley.
I was like, do you know what they're saying? And
she did better than me, but she still didn't catch everything.
So I did find the transcripts, Oh okay, but they okay.
So if I understood what Charlie was saying, I don't

(08:31):
know if he owned it or if he ran it.
And that's when he referred to it as like his shipyard.
So it was Charlie's and Charlie was Calvin's boss at
the shipyard charter. I'm sorry, Calvin was a ship fitter.
Do you know what that is? Hell, I was gonna
say I didn't. So they're known for their work and shipbuilding,
ship repair, and also maintenance, so they focus on the

(08:53):
structural aspects of ships and marine vessels.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
So that this was the nineteen year old shipfitter.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
Yeah, correct, correct. I don't like they never No one
ever got into what Charlie did specifically, So I don't
know if it was like a supervisory role like obviously,
I'm sure he was probably a ship fitter or something else.
Climbing the rinks.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
Yah.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
So they were done at work and they wanted to
go fishing, so they got down to the Pascoogoula River
and the fish were not biting, so they were talking about, like,
you know, let's just go somewhere else and see, you
know what the deal is elsewhere. Yeah, So they go
down to the West Bank and they set up and

(09:34):
they hear a hissing sound.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
May I just asked you, we know what is this?
In the morning or the evening.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
I want to say, I get into that later on
because I wanted you to hear. You know, I know
nothing about anything typical of an alien abduction, Like I
don't know. I've never looked into that.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
I don't think I do either.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
I thought you did know.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
Some basic stuff.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
Like what finalities, Well, well, loss of time maybe I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
But even that I didn't know. I didn't know that.
I didn't know, you know what, what are we typically
seeing and hearing? Not so much?

Speaker 1 (10:14):
Well, okay, I mean I don't Yeah, bigfoot stuff maybe right.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
I thought you knew that and you were familiar, but
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
So this was.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
I was just very fascinated and like this particular story
really fascinated me because they were consistent that to me,
it was like insane, Like these are two men friends,
different generations, right, I had nothing to gain by this.

(10:48):
You'll hear one of them in particular, had a very
difficult time afterwards, Like nobody was asking for this, no one.
Neither of them were known in the community for you know,
coming out with some strange stuff like this wasn't a
pattern with them. They didn't hang in those crowds. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
So I just felt like I got a very genuine

(11:10):
vibe from this. And what was interesting about this case
is I have the transcript of their interview and then
the investigators left the recorder going in the room with
them and left, and the men didn't know that they
were being recorded. And what they're saying to each other
is still very It bolstered their case. And the conclude, well,

(11:33):
jumping way ahead, so.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
All right, easy.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
The conclusion is I'm done.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
At least tell some of the story.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
First, all right, right, They hear the hissing sound like
I said. Then they see two flashing, pulsating blue lights,
and Calvin commented like he thought the police were there
because he was nervous to even go in this air,
and he thought they were coming to arrest them for trespassing,
because I guess when they arrived. He said to Charlie, like,

(12:06):
I forget what he said what sign was posted, but
it was something along the lines of like essentially please
don't fish here kind of thing or something. Maybe it
was about hours. I wasn't clear on it, you know,
with time of day or whatever. But so Calvin expresses
his concern to Charlie and Charlie is like, we're fine,
Like we're not going to leave it. We're staying here now.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
Okay, all right.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
So they observed an oval shaped object. It resembled an
egg like turned on its side. It was thirty to
forty feet across and eight to ten feet high. For reference, like,
I'm terrible with imagining what that is, like I don't understand,
Like I don't know how to imagine it in my head.
So maybe you're better about it than I am. But

(12:50):
just for reference, I looked up as a charctor trailer
because I was thinking, oh, we're probably talking bigger than
a tractor trailer or not. So a standard tractor trailer
typically measures about seventy two feet long. The trailer itself
is fifty three feet long, and the tractor or the cab,
I don't know what you call it is nineteen feet long,
eight and a half feet wide, thirteen and a half

(13:11):
feet tall. So it was way smaller than the entire
charger trailer and also shorter than the trailer itself of
fifty three feet Now height wise, though kind of not
far off, like eight to feet eight to feet eight
to ten feet high, the trager trailer was thirteen and

(13:33):
a half feet, so just so you have that perspective.
So they were commenting, just giving a summary that they
were conscious but paralyzed. So initially they were saying, we
felt like we were paralyzed by fear. But then they're like,
it wasn't fear. We couldn't move, like go for that shit.

(13:55):
I don't go for that shit at all while you're
floating on water. Nonetheless, they were not fine, yes, but fine, right,
semi but right. So three bulky looking creatures, probably four
and a half to five feet tall, and they looked
like they were built like football players. Their skin was

(14:16):
very gray and wrinkled, resembled elephant's skin.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
All right.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
They had no eyes that the men could at least observe,
so they thought they were people at first. Their heads, though,
were attached directly to their shoulders. They had no neck,
and where their ears and nose should have been were
just spikes coming out like essentially like a unicorn horn.
That's like the drawings that have been done that the

(14:42):
men tried to describe what they said, Okay, ears went
farther out than the nose spike. Their arms moved from
their shoulders like ours are like how ours connect. But
they moved in a way that was like very mechanical,
almost robotic and gliding, and they hovered over the ground
like they didn't walk. They just kind of glided through

(15:03):
the air. So okay, not very far off the ground.
But they both commented too that when the door of
this craft opened, they're looking at them, the three figures
are starting to come towards them, and almost like instantly,
they're upon them. So there was like, no, they didn't.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
Have to walk.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
Clearly they weren't walking, but they weren't just immediately standing
there in front of them. Okay, So they had robotic
slit mouths and crab like pincers as their hands, which
I'll get more into those details with how they described them.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
I mean, it's reminded me of Rosie from the Jets Sense.

Speaker 4 (15:47):
Eye.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
She had eyes, but she did and her little duly
didn't you have a bow too? I liked her, but
she could be a little crickety crankity. I guess who
did you like on the Jets? And it was your favorite?

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Idn't even say. I don't know if I had a favorite.
It was yours sister, right. It always threw me off
that she had white hair. I always found that odd.
I'm just saying, I mean, why, who the.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Hell knows George? And who was mom?

Speaker 5 (16:18):
Jane?

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Oh Jane?

Speaker 1 (16:19):
Wait, maybe you're right, did you? Jane?

Speaker 2 (16:23):
And Elroy was the brother?

Speaker 1 (16:26):
It's true.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
I was just gonna say it. Who was the dog? Yeah?
I love the show so much. I don't know who
the hell anybody was. I love the sound effects in
that show. I loved those sounds. That was a very
ASMR show to me.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
I mean, I liked that people lived so high up,
did you. Yeah?

Speaker 2 (16:47):
I liked how they got around.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
Of course, and then the crossover episodes with the with
the flint.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Stone el Yes, I did like the Flints the most bizarre. Yeah,
but I liked it.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
I like, Yeah, but the Flint's suns were never my
cup of teas.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
So we've talked about that before. You were not a
fan of them? No, all right? So two of them
grabbed Charlie, one grabbed Calvin, took them onto the ship
to be examined and experimented on. I see, I'll get
into those details and something else.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
I'm not a fan of they.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
So, but they both commented that when this ended and
they were they found themselves back on land. They assumed
both of them this was hours, Like we've been up
there for hours and it was only twenty minutes.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
So that's pretty wild.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
The whole thing is wild. I mean, I'll say bonkers.
So another interesting thing is that night there were fifty
reports of people in this town in Mississippi that saw
strange lights in the sky. Of course, no one ever
was able to say what it was, but I think
that's interesting that as this is all going on, before

(18:04):
these men reported it, reports were coming in on these
streets being seen in the sky.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
Well, I don't even know how we're supposed to react
to this anymore, because now that it's been confirmed by
the government that we have aliens living in the oceans,
which nobody seems to care about. Still, what's the difference.
I mean, like, I feel like it used to be
you listen to this stuff and you're always like, all right,

(18:31):
sounds really far out there. I mean, don't you think
we'd have proof aliens? But now we can't even say
that anymore because apparently there is proof, they're just not
showing this or whatever. So I don't even know how
I'm supposed to react to this.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
Like, yeah, I guess this is old news. Well it's like.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
It's like, okay, so what is this just this actually
had Like I guess it just takes the it takes
the not no no, no, Like I feel like it
takes the veil between okay, Like you know, these guys
were probably just throwing a few beers back and got
a little too whatever. Right, But now I'm saying, it's like,
but now that's sort of removed to be like this

(19:09):
could have happened. It doesn't have to be as crazy
a stretch as it once was, let's say, five years ago.
That's what I'm trying to say. Like, I don't know,
I just find it like it's just I feel like,
ever since that was finally confirmed, it's like you have,
I have a different reaction in my head to be like,
all right, sure Freddy, surely Charlie keep popping them back.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
Well, and I mean, I'm not even gonna really try
to not do this any other way. We just know
that my topics go all over the place and aren't organized.
But like that was one of the criticisms, of course,
and that actually is asked directly of him in the interview.
But they both passed sobriety tests. They both I know,
we don't agree with this or believe in it, but

(19:58):
they both passed polygra tests. And there was also some
voice stress test or something done from one of the interviews,
and they passed that as well. I have that farther
down in my note, so I forget exactly how they
referred to it. But also these men struggled, not so
much Charlie, but Calvin struggled in his life going forward

(20:20):
so much as a result of this. Like Charlie did
not avoid the limelight. He participated in interviews. He wanted
to talk about it. He was very open and candid
about it. Calvin was so rocked by this. He wanted
nothing to do with the public. He stayed out of
the public eye. He was supposed to get married. He
did eventually cooperate with not cooperate, but participate in interviews, you know,

(20:40):
on shows and stuff.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
And he did actually also publish a book.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
He ended up passing away at the age of sixty
eight in August of twenty twenty three. And you know,
he described it. He was like known in his family,
like we don't talk about that. Don't ask dad about this. Friends,
you know, very good friends of his. He's like everyone
respected didn't want to discuss this. Nobody questioned me, and
I forget. He and his wife went to a funeral,

(21:06):
and I forget.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
Why you don't talk about Bruno?

Speaker 3 (21:11):
What'd you say?

Speaker 1 (21:12):
We don't talk about Bruno? That song from Encanto.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
Oh I never saw?

Speaker 1 (21:18):
Oh, okay, anyway, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
So you know, basically it was getting to the point of, like,
you know what, his wife was really encouraging him, like
put this down, put your story down somewhere, which you
can get the book on Amazon. I have it farther
down so I can let you know, you know the
name of it.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
But and you would imagine if he was looking for fame,
he would have done that a long long time exactly.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
It was almost like for himself, for closure. And you know,
he this one interview he did participate in much later on.
The interviewer was like kind to him, but he was like,
you've had several nervous breakdowns since this, right, And he
was like, yeah, I wouldn't call them that. He's like,
he kept referring to it as like this has really

(22:00):
affected his nerves, Like his nerves are shot. He had
several field marriages, several field relationships. He feels as like
a result of like the effect that this had on him,
his wedding was scheduled for the month at his first
wedding was scheduled for the month after this occurred, so
like going into that marriage, he was not in a
good place. He did end up getting hospitalized, he said

(22:22):
in this interview, as a result of just having to
try to deal with all of this and the conclusion
of all these interviews with the Sheriff's department, because they
contacted they tried to contact It's not Keegan Well real quick.
The book is called My Story Pascagoula The Closest Encounter

(22:45):
and then by Calvin Parker, Yes.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
Are we done hearing about the actual event?

Speaker 2 (22:57):
No, I'm getting to that because there's an interview where
describe like the experiment and yeah, because that's what I like,
I really so I listened, So, yeah, we're going to
get there. It is. It's Kesler Air Force Base. So
they tried to contact them. Nobody wanted to hear it.
They contact the Sheriff's office. They eventually entertained them. They

(23:19):
actually sent the men to Keesler to be tested to
see if the men were radio an yeah, and they weren't.
So essentially what was concluded is that, yes, these men
went through a traumatic experience. I guess. Also, they were
both hypnotized for a period of the interviews, and all
they kept going back to was these men both went

(23:41):
through a traumatic event. We cannot conclusively say yes, an
alien abducted them and had experience like they were right right,
But it was just very difficult for Calvin, and he also,
I guess later on twenty eighteen, he told he participated

(24:02):
in an interview with the son Harold, and he told
them that he was so worried that they infected him
with something because again, I'm all of.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
I can't see that fear.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
Well, he so they both had puncture marks, and said.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
That alien germs. That's what I think of immediately, space germs.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Space is the cleanest place you can.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Pay other planet germs. I'm already thinking about Earth germs.
Good God, the possibilities in space are probably endless. Anyway, So.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
He was saying like he bathed in bleached when he
got home that night, because he he just was not
in his right mind and like panic or was he Well, I'd.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
Be doing that, I don't know what that says about me,
but right, hypochloric acid.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
So, but they were also saying that they so I
forget which one them thought this possibly Charlie, but they
felt that something they gave them was to calm them,
because he was like, you know, we were totally terrified,
but they did inject us with something and then this
odd tranquil feeling came over both of us, and we

(25:19):
should not have been feeling tranquil at that moment, so
he thought it was something that they administered. Now, the
two alien entities.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
Whatever they were, who grabbed Charles, the.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
One who grabbed Calvin, they both felt was like more
feminine and how it looked it had sort of like
a more gentle demeanor, not that the other two were
rough or anything, but just there was something about the
one being who quote unquote worked with Calvin.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
Well, she sounds nice.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
Right well, And he said that there were like she
was communicating with him telepathically and just kept saying, I'm
not going to hurt you, like you have nothing to
worry about. You were not going to be harmed in
any of this process. You were going to return to life,
like we're not doing anything to you that's dangerous.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
Or most reassuring, I would I would appreciate that right.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
The other thing that was very fascinating to me. And
you know, now I forget what I said when Charlie
passed away Calvin passed away in twenty twenty three. I think, yeah,
Calvin passed away in twenty twenty three, and Charlie passed

(26:37):
away of a heart attack at age eighty and twenty eleven.
And again Charlie coped way better. So I think the
fact that this worked out, that this woman came forward
when she did, but that Calvin was the one that
particularly struggled with all of this and he was alive
to be able to have this connection. So Maria Blair

(27:00):
was a witness from that night and she and her
husband were waiting for him to leave in a boat
to go work off shore. So she recalls it being
a warm night. She thinks it was around seventy three
seventy five degrees And meanwhile, what.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
An odd thing to remember seventy three to seventy five degrees.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
Then, like that makes me think the how genuine that is,
because I feel like when a night sticks out to you,
even though that was how many years ago. I don't
know if she took notes when she got home, but
like that's right, just very specifically thirty five years later,
and that she didn't even come out of this or
that she didn't come out with any of this until
twenty nineteen, you know, And again, what is she gaining

(27:46):
nothing from this?

Speaker 1 (27:48):
I get it, so, she said.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
While they were waiting, Jerry went to sleep, Maria saw
what she describes as a strange blue light streaking back
and forth. She said she was looking up at the sky,
seeing the stars, the Big Dipper and things, and that's
when she saw it rise up in the sky. She said.
The blue light was right over where the men were
reportedly abducted. She thought at the time that it was

(28:13):
a plane or a helicopter. She did not think that it.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
Was a UFO.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
She said.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
The blue light continued moving without noticeable sound for about
thirty minutes. Remember that that there was no sound really
when it went out of sight, she said, then she
heard something fall.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
In the water. It was like a loud splash.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
The water was just rippling, and when I looked down,
that's when it looked like a person was in the water.
I was looking just right below me. Can you imagine that.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
Save this. I'm trying to follow what you're saying. Where
was she standing? What was right below her?

Speaker 2 (28:46):
The wall? I think the edge of the water, the
river bank.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
You're telling me something was looking up at her from
the water, Okay, that's what I thought.

Speaker 5 (28:52):
Then.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Also, you're saying now about aliens in the ocean.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
This was a river, but still close the hell enough
for me, I don't. Yeah, now that's gross.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
She still doesn't know what she saw on the water,
and she didn't think much of it until the next day.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
Even think much of it. You just told me she
watched the UFO drop something off into the water that
was then watching her from beneath the surface.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
Then the next day she heard about what Calvin and
Charlie told the Jackson County Sheriff's Department, and then she said,
I think I saw two men being abducted by a UFO.
She said she never talked to anyone about it except
her family, and that her husband wanted her to keep quiet.
He said, quote when she would talk about it, I

(29:38):
would tell her to just shut up. People are going
to think you're crazy, poor lady, she said. A recent
media report came up about the abduction, and then that's
what gave her the courage to come forward and motivated
her to give their story, Calvin and Charlie's story validation.
And then there's a picture of them, like her and
Calvin meeting and they were hugging. I just felt very

(30:01):
happy for him that he, like I said, he was
alive still to meet her and be able to Oh.
But the thing is, so they were separated at the
side of the river that she was on. It was
like she was on one side of the river, the river,
and then that's where the men were on the other
side where they had been fitting.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
Yeah, it's like a person on the other side of
the street with them the street, and then on the
other side of that street was that person.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Yeah, all right, I'm glad you understand.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
Oh wait, I do have to ask something. When you
said he was Calvin was having a hard time with
all this, do you mean so At first I thought
you meant because people like weren't believing him. Then I
thought you meant because of what the experience, Okay, because
of like he thought he was injected. Well, he was
injected with things just like I scared of.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
It's like, did I just see a freaking alien, Like,
what just happened? Did I go up on an alien ship?
Am I hallucinating?

Speaker 1 (31:01):
Like? Okay? And then everything knowing what was this girl's name,
Mary Maria? Maria come forward to say she saw this too,
just validated him more as well, like I'm not crazy, right.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
Because people did also then say dude, you're crazy him
and Charles h yes, yes, okay, and they did end up.
There is now a historical marker on the site, like
on the banks of the Pascal Gula River, and the
marker says.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
That, oh almost.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
The marker says, the Pascal Gooula UFO story remains the
best documented case of alien abduction. Wow, yeah, all right,
so and also yeah, some statistics for oh shit, So
I just looked up, like how common are we talking?
Like what's out there? Right? So only five to six

(31:57):
percent of the general population alleged to have been abducted
by it.

Speaker 5 (32:02):
Is?

Speaker 2 (32:03):
But I just thought it was higher. I don't know,
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
Well, Okay.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
The National UFO Reporting Center in the United States, which
documents sightings of unexplained aerial phenomena all over the world.
Interestingly enough, sightings have been picking up again there were
apparently two dips in twenty eighteen and twenty twenty one,
but then there were we were I guess five thousand
is like the typical for a year, and it was

(32:34):
back up to five thy and twenty twenty two. Now
for that area in Pascal Goula, I thought there would
be maybe statistics for that area. Nothing like a hotspot,
right exactly. No specific statistics on UFO sightings in the
Pasco Goula area beyond that event are not widely available.

(32:55):
So I thought that was disappointing.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
Yeah, now, are you someone who would have a vis
or reaction to this or would you go along with it?
Like like be me up, take me.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
I wouldn't be like take me, I'd be caught. I
don't think I would trust that I would return, Like
I would be very fearful of like are you kidnapping me?
And I'm not going to come back here? And even
if they tell me that I am, I don't. I
don't know if I believe it. I will say Ashley

(33:31):
and I had a very interesting conversation about the experiments,
which I promise I'm going to get to and I
was saying to her, you know, I just think it's
kind of insane how there's such a there's such a
theme of like anal probes like gosh, and you hear

(33:55):
it all the time. Again, I don't know much, but
I just feel like that is kind of something that
always sticks out with these abductions and experimentation and they're
sticking things up people's butts, and it just has always
struck me in my head as sexual, like that's always
where my head went. It actually goes well, I think

(34:15):
if this is real and this is truly happening, if
you think of like a species trying to understand how
our bodies work, that would be a great area to
figure out how our dis about a how our digestion works,
and like you know, it's an orifice and if we're

(34:37):
taking food in, how does it come out? How does
that work? And I know this was not a real story,
but it made me think of my last alien book.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
I told you about.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
Project Hail Mary and how that I don't think I
told you about this, but you know it's the human
and the alien. And one of the major discrepancies, does
that make sense to say, okay differences was how this
alien ingested and digested food and it was disgusting, and

(35:07):
it was like so now, to them, it was embarrassing
to eat in front of others, Like how we wouldn't
want to go to the bathroom in front of somebody else,
Like that would be something we would definitely want privacy
for and you wouldn't just do that in front of anybody.
To them, it was eating like.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
That freaking reminds me of Britney Murphy. And girl interrupted,
oh my god, well, yeah, eating disorder. She didn't want
to eat those chicken wings anywhere but her room.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
And then sticking the remnants under the bed.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
Well, yeah, I don't. I I was thinking about, like,
I know this is not quite the same, but like
when you take an animal to the vet, oh, temperature,
well not just temperature, but just in general, like checking
things out. That's a place that gets checked out absolutely.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
And they can't speak. We cannot communicate with aliens to say.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
Hey, sometimes no one works. But that well, that lady
talked to him and said, hey, you're fine, Oh chill.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
Ax, all right now, Mike. My initial plan was to
read like all of this transcripts like I don't think
we would No, let's not do that. She's like, maybe
the key parts, and it's like right, so to answer
some of your questions, not so much when this happened,

(36:25):
because I still can't find it or remember. I want
to say, like six ish the interview that was conducted
by the Sheriff's department. It was Sheriff Fred Diamond and
Captain Glenn Ryder. This occurred at approximately eleven o'clock that night,
Thursday evening. So yeah, there's just multiple references where these

(36:46):
men were not coming in like all right, this is
what happened. You're an idiot if you don't believe us,
Like even Charlie, who wasn't he was shook up for sure.
But Charlie leads this interview off with quote, even though
we'll be the laughing.

Speaker 5 (37:01):
The laughing stock, even though I'll be the laughing stock
of the country, I'll tell what I've seen and the
experience I've had, Charlie.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Crave exactly all right, So I'm gonna go down a
little bit. He's describing the sounds, he's explaining.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
And excreting what he's seeing.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
He makes multiple comments referring to Calvin as he just
went hysterical. He says that multiple times in his interview.
Another time he references it, I was so scared. Well,
you can't even imagine Calvin done went hysterical on me
or Calvin.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
I'm trying to imagine between the two of us, who
would handle this better if we were out there. I
think you would too.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
And try to make a friend.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
I think you'd be rude, to be honest, I think
you'd stare them down if that. I think if that
nice female alien was like, hey listen, sweetheart, it's gonna
be fine.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
I think you can't be told.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
I think you would dip your head, look over your glasses,
and slowly start like just giving your daggers for you know.
That's what I think would happen.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
Fine, And what would you be doing?

Speaker 1 (38:18):
I try to be polite, I think, but I'd be
scared shitless.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
Well, I would be extremely frightened, and I just I
don't want to make anyone mad, So I see why
you think i'd be like that, But you know I wouldn't.
I would worry they're not going to understand me. I
don't know if you would understarely do it?

Speaker 1 (38:38):
Sarely do as well? We make do.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
And I'd have so many questions, but would they be answered?
What I understand them.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
Well, I know, I always keep thinking about it in
terms of like when we if we come across an
animal in the wild, we're not really concerned about what
they're thinking about. We only want to know what we
want to know. And that's what part of me thinks
about aliens, is like they're there to not necessarily enrich
our lives by answering these questions at the universe, but

(39:12):
more so like how do you got going on down there?

Speaker 2 (39:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (39:16):
And how do you function? And you know, we'll tag
you for later we're out ski.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
Oh, we'll be like little birds with little things around
Like I don't know, that's just how I I think.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
Like the sheep, I think it would be lovely if
there was a big conversation that happened. But I'm saying
like we as humans don't care too much about conversing
with or trying to help other little things understand us.
And you know that's damn right going off on a tangent.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
Okay, all right now, I'm gonna read the conversation between
Charlie and the sheriff, and I'm not going to keep
going back and forth. Charlie said, The sheriff said, you'll
just have to do it in voices, all right. So
Charlie says, two of them just floated around behind me
and lifted me off the ground by your arms, yes,

(40:07):
by my arms, with their pincher things. They must have
done something. I was just raised right off the ground.
They didn't use no force though, no force. They didn't
hurt me. I didn't feel nothing. And then they say,
how is your buddy doing? Then he just passed down
on me. They glided me right into that thing, you know,
just how you would guide somebody. All of us moved

(40:27):
together like we were floating through the air. Now that
sounds nice. Peaceful birds maybe not birds. When I got
in there, they had me, you know, they just kind
of had me there. There were no seats, no chain.
They just moved me around. I couldn't resist them. I
just floated. I felt no sensation, no pain. They kept
me in that position for a while. Then they would
raise me back up. You said they had some kind

(40:50):
of instrument on you, didn't you, Yes, some kind of instrument.
I don't know what it was. I didn't see anything
I could call an instrument that I've ever seen before. Well,
what did it look like? Could you describe it, No,
I can't. Was it like an X ray machine? No,
it wasn't. There is no way to describe it.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
Well.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
Then he goes on to describe it. It looked like
an eye, like a huge eye. It had some kind
of attachment to it that moved. It looked like a
big eye, and it went all over my body, up
and down, and then it left me. Oh no, I'm sorry,
he said. Then they left me, and he says, they
left you inside that machine. They left me right by myself,
in the position they had me in. I couldn't move,

(41:28):
just my eyes could move. I don't know how long
they left me there like that. I don't know if
I stayed conscious, but I think I did. And then
they did come back. How long did they leave you?
I don't know. I never wore no watch. Well how
long would you say, though, I'd say twenty to thirty minutes.
Then when they came back, they laid me back over again.
He goes, you didn't try to talk to them, ask

(41:50):
them what was going on? Yes, I did, but I'd
get a buzz and sound out of one of them,
that's all. They didn't pay me no time my talking
or anything.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
I'm sorry, which guy is.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
This, Charlie, the older man forty two? Okay, all right,
now they're about to shame him for the reporting. So
let me remind you. They tried to go to the
air Force base. Nobody wanted to hear it. Told them
to contact the sheriff's office. All right, So the sheriff goes,
was this right after dark? Charlie says, no, I wasn't
too long after dark. Why you waiting this time of

(42:27):
night to call us about it? Well, mister Fred, when
I got out of there, I knowed nobody wouldn't believe me.
I went by them. Oh yeah, he went to the
freaking newspaper. That's where he went first. I forgot about this.
He went by the Mississippi Press. He beat on the door.
He said to the man sitting there, I want to
see a reporter. He was told there's no reporter there
until the morning. So he called the sheriff's department. No,

(42:48):
and he thought to himself, if I call the sheriff's department,
they're not going to believe me. If I call the
police department, they're not going to believe me. The sheriff goes, well,
how would you know that unless you tried, and dear
Charlie goes, well, I.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
Apologize for that.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
That was just my way of thinking everyone's very kind here.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
Well, the sheriff doesn't seem too kind now, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
Charlie and Calm are very kind.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
I do think it's an odd choice, though, to go
to the press right away.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
I agree you're right.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
I feel like, yeah, in a way, it is a
little that.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
Does strike some you know, concern. He did ask if
he had anything to drink. Now, like I told you,
they did pass sobriety tests. But Charlie does say I
didn't have anything to drink. But in the forty five
minutes to an hour before I called you all, I
have drank. I needed to settle my nerves. So now

(43:41):
the sheriff goes. You remember leaving, and Charlie goes leaven
where he goes the ship where they put you out,
and he goes. The only thing I remember is that kid, Calvin,
just standing there. I've never seen that sort of fear
on a man's face that I saw on Calvin's. It

(44:01):
took me a while to get him back to his senses.
And the first thing I told him was son, ain't
nobody gonna believe this. Let's just keep this whole thing
to ourselves.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
How about no.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
Good paper.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
Well, the more I thought about it, the more I
thought I had to let some officials know.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
What do they do after they let you go?

Speaker 2 (44:21):
There was a buzz and sound and then it was gone.
Can you describe the vehicle? Yes, and he.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
Describes what I said to you earlier. The sheriff asked if.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
There were any lights on the inside of the craft.
He said, I didn't see any.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
Bulbs, but it did glow light.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
It was an extremely bright light. Fine, all right, So
now Sheriff Diamond and Captain Ryder left the room. The
recorder is still.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
Going, Oh right, I do not know this. So they're
being interviewed together.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
Yes, okay, Calvin didn't speak.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
No, I'm so sorry.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
No, I'm so sorry. They were interviewed separately, and then
they were brought back together into this room. Charlie's voice
was shaky as he said to Calvin, I can't take
much more of this. Calvin sounded frantic. Sounded Calvin sounded frantic, Yeah,
Calvin goes. I got to get home and go to bed,
get some nerve pills, or see the doctor or something.

(45:14):
I can't stand it. I don't want to.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
Go half crazy. Charlie says, I tell.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
You when what we went through, I'll get you something
to settle you down so you can get some damn sleep.
I can't sleep yet. Like it is, I'm just damn
near crazy. Well, Calvin, when they brought you out, when
they brought me out of that thing, God damn, it's
like I never in hell got you straightened out.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
I don't know what to see.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
Like some of this I don't understand. I like the
vernacular or like that sentence doesn't really make sense. But
I guess these men are spiraling, so they're not really
going to make sense.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
It was just saying I never got you calmed down
like you've been.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
You know, never in hell got you. I don't know,
so I don't. I guess. Calvin's voice rises and says,
my damn arms, my arms. I remember, they just froze
up and I couldn't move, just like I stepped on
a damn rad I'll snake. Charlie sighed and said they
didn't do me that way. Now, both men were talking
as if like talking to themselves. Calvin said, I passed out.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
I expect.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
I never passed out in my whole life. Charlie said,
I've never seen nothing like that in my whole life.
You can't make people believe this. Calvin said, I don't
want to keep sitting here. I want to go see
a doctor. Charlie said, they better wake up and start
believing us. They better start believing. Calvin said, you see
how that damn door came right up. Charlie said, I
don't know how it opens. Son, I don't know. Calvin said,

(46:29):
it just laid up and just like that, those sons
of bitches, they just came out. Charlie said, I know
you can't believe it. You can't make people believe this.
Calvin said, I paralyzed right then. I couldn't move.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
And you did see this video?

Speaker 2 (46:43):
No, I heard it, Okay, if you'd like, I just.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
No, no, it's okay. I just I meant like you
did witness.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
Well, this is the one I could hear it that
I couldn't understand them, so I had to get the transcript. Yeah, yeah, okay.
So Charlie says they won't believe it. They're gonna believe
it when these days, but it might be too late.
I knew all along there were people from other worlds
up there. Hell yeah, I knew it all along. I
never thought it would happen to me, though, Calvin. And

(47:11):
it's like even this they're back and forth is so like,
he says, all that they're kind of like both just purging.
I feel like their thoughts right, like no rhyme or reason.
So on the heels of Charlie saying that. Calvin goes,
you know yourself that I don't drink, and Charlie says,
I know that, son. When I get to the house,
I'm going to get me another drink though, going to
make me sleep.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
He's a drinker exactly.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
He says, Look, what are we waiting around here for?
What are we waiting for? Calvin starts to get panicky
and says, I gotta go to the house. I gotta
go home. I'm going to get sick. I'm going to
get out of here. Charlie got up, left the room.
Calvin was in there alone to himself. Calvin said, it's
hard to believe. Oh God, it's awful. I know there's
a god up there. And then he starts praying and
then it goes out. It just breaks my heart like

(47:56):
the turmoil that I mean clearly that they were both
going through. But Calvin, I just feel like it like
broke him, you know.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
Yeah, which I mean, what what an experience?

Speaker 3 (48:12):
Exactly exactly, So that's basically it.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
Now, you specifically said you were going to talk about probing.
You like literally brought that up as yes, it's a
part of the story. Yet I've never actually made that appearance.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
See here. I thought it was in one of the
things I was reading, but I guess I was just
talking about the big eye going through the body scan.
Let me just go through.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
Well, I forget if I said this part or not,
but what started.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
The knowing about the experiments. There was this other podcast
that I started listening to. I couldn't listen to the
whole thing. It was an odd format, but they covered
this case and they brought up the anal probe. They
brought up the puncture marks from the needles, they brought
up you know, the telepathic communication. More than that, though,

(49:15):
I couldn't find h Yeah, that's all I got, man.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
Sorry, Well, I mean, what a wild experience for those
two men.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
I know, I know, I mean, you know, the other
thing is like how we were going back and forth
with how would we act presented with this kind of
run in? My other thing is like, would you say anything,
like would you report it? I'd have to I would not.

(49:55):
I really don't think I would. I would totally think
I would convince myself, so, which I was basically doing
in this research. I'm thinking, what could explain this happening
to them psychologically? Some sort of drug induced what do
you say, not hypnosis hallucination, some sort of non drug

(50:17):
induced hallucination that they're who's randomly starting to hallucinate out
of nowhere, that they've never experienced those issues before. It
doesn't sound like anything should have triggered it. They both
went on to live normal lives afterwards, no problem whatsoever
with like their mental stability. Well, Calvin obviously struggled, but
not in that way. There was no other instance of

(50:40):
this happening again that either reported. They both in fact
reported later on in life at various times that nothing
like this happened to them. Again. It's just so I'm
saying all that, like, if it happened to me, I
would within minutes convince myself I made the whole thing
in my head. I mean, I would immediately convince myself
there's no way that just happened. There's no freaking way.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
What if it was with another person like these people.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
That's wild.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
And that's the other thing that I kept going back to.
This is two people who are reporting the not even
the exact same thing, like they had different things go
on in the ship and different experiences. That's even more
insane to me. I don't know, I don't know. And

(51:26):
also like sort of what a nightmare for Calvin if
I were Calvin, which I feel like I would be
Calvin in that situation, Not so much how he really
struggled over the years, maybe I would, but more so
that he wanted to stay out of the public eye
and like wanted to basically hide for the rest of
his life and not discuss this. And then the person
you experienced it with is giving interviews left and right,

(51:49):
and like not it all shining away from the public. Yeah,
I mean that is a form of hell to me.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
Very opposite ends of the spectrum for sure.

Speaker 4 (51:58):
Yeah, but you know this, this got me thinking, for sure,
And I know you're saying, you know, our government is saying,
yes there's alien life in the oceans.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
Yes, this is a real thing. What's everyone freaking out about?

Speaker 3 (52:14):
Of course there.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
Always has been. In my head that's still not the case, though,
like in my head.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
We don't.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
Oh, I agree, and I still think we should be
freaking out. Well I don't know, but nobody seems to care.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
I don't know if we should be freaking out, but
like I'm definitely like, holy shit, if it is the case.
But it's like I still can't fully wrap my head
around and believe it. I guess out of fear.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
Yeah, well, I don't know. Mine's just disbelief. I suppose.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
Yeah, Like.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
I don't know. It's wacky for sure.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, ye you did like et as
a child, not really were you afraid or just it's interested?

Speaker 1 (53:01):
I thought he was a little creepy, did you. And
I think I've only seen the movie like on once
or twice.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
Wow, I watched that a lot.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
No, the movie that stands out to me a lot
with the with alien esque things. And I don't remember
the name of the movie. I don't remember any of
the actors, but I know it existed. I almost want
to say it was with it probably wasn't, though, No,
it doesn't matter. It was a movie where a kid

(53:30):
gets abducted, yeah, and then gets dropped back off and
it appears to be like minutes, but he's actually time
traveled like twenty years.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
I don't like the time travel stuff.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
And so his parents are older, his sibling is twenty
years older now, and like, I don't know, I don't
remember what the what the plot of the story besides that,
but I clearly remember it.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
It doesn't ring a ball for me. What if this
I'm sorry happened. What if this is a memory of
yours and you were, like.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
I time traveled twenty years.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
Yeah, as a child, and you think you remember it
as a movie that you saw, but pretty sure not.
I don't know, man, I could walk outside tonight and
run into one of these.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
Absolutely, I've thought about that before. Oh I have too.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
I think I've thought about it though because of how
et unfolds, and I've watched the movie so many. Maybe
should watch that tonight, But I think like that whole
premise of this all starts at night with the freaking
skittle bits Reces whatever the hell it is Rese's I think,
I don't know, you know.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
Yeah, I don't, I don't know. I like to just
look up at the Night's Sky.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
Well, of course I do too, but I don't know.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
I'm gonna have to find the name of that movie.
I will find it.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
Oh my gosh. The things that we've talked about on
this podcast that we especially from childhood, where we're like
that freaking egg Man terrible terrible commercial. Oh my god,
that thing that was scary. Yeah, like, I feel like
we put a few things into Google while we're doing this.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
Oh, I'll find it. I'll freaking find it. But all right, Well,
I mean I congratulate you on on side of my yes, yeah,
and it's just nice to talk about something you didn't
end in death.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
I thought of that too, because initially when I heard
about this, I was like, these poor men probably died
and like went missing, and this is how it's being explained.
Like I didn't even hitting myself in the face. I
didn't have a clue how this would go. And then
I was like, ahhright, everyone's still well they're not actually.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
With us, not anymore, but of natural reasons, yes.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
So, but God rest their souls, and I commend them
for their bravery and just how difficult I'm sure even
for Charlie who was more open about it. That shit
has to mess with you, I would.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
Say, So, would you ever consider reading the book because
it's not a book you'd normally read. Now that you've
researched the case a little, does it hold any interest
to you?

Speaker 2 (56:25):
I think it does, and especially which one wrote it
he had never got his story out, and especially that
they did have slightly different versions of not to say
that anyone wasn't telling the truth, but just their experiences
were different. So I feel like, yeah, I think I
would look into it. The fact that you know, it
should be fairly easy to obtain one would imagine, right,

(56:48):
but yeah, I would be open to.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
Baby the click of a mouse, you can obtain it well.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
Right exactly, but yeah, to hear it directly, not like
these articles that I'm reading, but like he condoned this book.
He wrote it with someone like this is his version,
straight from the horse's mouth.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
Yeah, you've made that quite clear.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
I think maybe, Yeah, I think I'm going to look
into it.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
Man, we'll all be waiting with baited breath. Fine, all right, well,
thank you so much, You're so welcome. I will close
us out by saying, as always, stay safe and stay.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
Chill bye everybody.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
Thank you everyone you've just listened to Chilworthy. Thank you
for joining us on this latest episode. While we strive
to keep our discussions engaging and lighthearted, we also wanted
to take a moment to acknowledge the real lives and
events that are at the heart of these stories.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
We try to approach each topic with a sense of
curiosity and respect fully aware of the impact these events
have had on the individuals are loved ones. Our goal
is to honor their memories by keeping their stories alive
and shedding light on the mysteries that surround them.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
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