July 5, 2025 • 57 mins
She packed her car, emailed her professors, and vanished into the snow-covered silence of rural New Hampshire. On February 9, 2004, 21-year-old nursing student Maura Murray crashed her car along a remote stretch of Route 112—and was never seen again. What followed was a string of bizarre clues, unanswered questions, and chilling possibilities that continue to baffle investigators and obsess internet sleuths to this day.
In this two-part deep dive, the Chillworthy team unpacks the timeline of Maura's final days, the eerie details of her disappearance, and the many theories—ranging from a planned escape to foul play in the forest. Was she running from something… or to something?
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In this two-part deep dive, the Chillworthy team unpacks the timeline of Maura's final days, the eerie details of her disappearance, and the many theories—ranging from a planned escape to foul play in the forest. Was she running from something… or to something?
Click here to see all listening options and links
Find us on socials:
Instagram: @chillworthypodcast
Bluesky: @chillworthypodcast
Skylight: @chillworthypodcast
Youtube: @chillworthypodcast
Tiktok: @chillwotthypodcast
Click here to leave a donation to support the podcast
DISCLAIMER The content presented on Chillworthy, including all episodes, transcripts, social media posts, and associated materials, is intended for informational and entertainment purposes only. The podcast does not offer legal, medical, psychological, or professional advice of any kind. While the hosts—Brent and Talia—make a good faith effort to ensure that the information shared is based on publicly available sources and is as accurate as possible at the time of recording, Chillworthy does not guarantee the completeness, timeliness, or reliability of any statements made. Listeners should be aware that cases may involve ongoing legal proceedings or developments that evolve over time. The hosts are not licensed attorneys, journalists, law enforcement professionals, or forensic experts. Opinions expressed in the podcast reflect the personal views of the hosts and do not represent factual determinations or official findings. All individuals named or discussed are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Any resemblance to real individuals or entities, outside of those explicitly named, is purely coincidental. The podcast is not affiliated with or endorsed by any legal authority, news outlet, or investigative body. By listening to Chillworthy, you acknowledge and accept these terms and agree not to hold the hosts or producers liable for any inaccuracies, misstatements, or interpretations derived from the content.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
You're listening to Chillworthy.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
A podcast where two best friends discuss mysteries, murders, and
anything in between for your enjoyment.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
So if you're ready to hear some chilling and unsettling cases,
you're in the right place. Happy listening. Hello, Hello, everyone,
Welcome back to another episode of Chillworthy with Brent and Talia.
Hi everybody, how you doing today?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I'm doing very well, I thought, so how about you.
That's nice.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
It's a shame that phrase went out of style.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I agree. I think it's adorable. Makes me want what
probably makes you.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Sad about it does make me sad about peaches, except
I don't think I'm actually allergic to them. You've said
right right for the chillers, I think I was allergic.
I thought I was allergic at one point, but I
think it was actually whatever was sprayed on the peach.
But now I've sworn off peaches for the rest of
my life, even though I went to the allergist and
they did a pin prick of peach and I'm not allergic.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
But say that three times fast, pin prick of peach.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Seeing I can't, I shan't be doing it, so me
we're doing back to back episode. So that means no
new books. No, you know, nothing crazy however, uh dare
I ask? Is there anything you'd like to say that
you're happy about? Absolutely you want to share it?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Yeah, I think I'll say that I'm very grateful to
have memories.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
From from like childhood, Like I'm grateful we lived somewhere
that we could access water, like wild water specifically I.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
See in all forms, not all forms, but in several forms,
and I'm grateful for that. I think that does something
to a childhood and I'm grateful.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
I don't even know where to go from that, what
to say?
Speaker 2 (02:21):
That's fine, don't feel pressured to.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
I'm very thrown off by that.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Well what's yours?
Speaker 1 (02:29):
I'm not sure that's what I'm saying. I take time,
So I think one of the things that I love
am grateful for.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yeah, are you know?
Speaker 1 (02:44):
And just stick with me here, all right, as I
explain it. But DVDs okay, because we now live in
a world where people are far too dependent on streaming services, right, yes,
and you can't rely on those bastards well.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
And when they offer and what's getting ripped from That's
what I'm saying, held hostage, We are. I was gonna
say we're pirates now, but I guess the pirates are
the ones holding people hostage. Continue.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
So for me, as you've seen, I have a very
big book of DVDs, movies and some shows, but the
shows kind of are in a drawer. But I think
of DVDs as little pocket worlds, little mini pocket world,
elly picket, you can visit anytime you want, yes, And
without having those DVDs, you can't always get to your
(03:42):
little pocket world. So you know you want to have
you want to have a feel good movie, and you
want to watch Missus Doubtfire, right, Like, let's get real here,
where the hell are we supposed to find Missus Downfire
on such short notice on a streaming service that we
don't have to buy a new one to get, you know, like, hey,
watch stars and we'll let you see this twenty five
(04:02):
year old movie, forty year old movie. You know, No, God,
that's sad.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Yeah, you're right, But.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
I don't have to do that because I've got my
pocket world Missus Doubt Fire, where I can slip into
that world anytime I want, have a nice time. Right,
So you know, for Gully there, we're in.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
It absolutely you're not. I was gonna say, held hospital,
held top, We're not, no at their mercy.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
I was going to say, no, you're not at their mercy.
You're not the Golden Girls, the Golden Girls. You know
they cut the Golden Girls up all the time. No, no, no,
but I mean, like even like on Hallmark or something like.
I was watching it at the beach and I wasn't
watching it on like a DVD or anything. I was
just it was just on the TV. And there are
lines that are gone because they want to fit it
(04:50):
into the commercial breaks, or that.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
The commercial starts talking over. Literally one of the scenes
is terribly done. They don't care, no respect exactly.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
They don't have any respect for none. So that's what
I like. I like those DVDs. I enjoy having them.
I have a tiny little DVD player. That's all I.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Need because I feel like they're getting to right, That's
what I mean.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Pretty soon they'll be like vintage on eBay or something,
but I haven't and if I need it, I shall
use it. So all right, five minutes.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
In bad refreshing, not bad.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
All right, So today it's my turn. Yeah, hopefully everybody
recovered from that Friday the thirteenth episode. I thought you
were gonna say special.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
It was.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Well, no, it was special. Yeah, So today we're gonna
go back to basics. Back to basics.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Good.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
So this is a this is a case that I
have seen over and over and over again ever since
we started the podcast, but I never did it. But
it's so damn popular, so we're doing it today. Of it,
I'm not saying, well, maybe you came across it, but
like I'm just saying, when whenever I look up cases,
(06:11):
like if I'm like looking up chilling cases, scary disappearances,
this case always comes up, but I just never dig
into it, and this time I did. All right, So
all right, okay.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Fair's fair?
Speaker 1 (06:29):
All right. So today's case is the disappearance of Mara Murray.
Never heard of her, all right, So a little bit
of background on her. So MARAA Murray, m you r
are ay. She was a twenty one year old nursing student.
So she had a very nice personality, you know, right bubbly.
(06:55):
She was athletic. She was raised in an Irish Catholic
family in Hanston, Massachusetts, and she was the fourth of
five siblings. I guess in high school she was a star,
track runner, she's a runner, she's a track star or whatever.
But I don't I think it's a song. I could
(07:15):
be wrong. So she entered West Point, Wow did she? Yes?
She entered West Point to study chemical engineering.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
All of this is extremely impressive.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Military life wasn't for her and transferred to UMass Amherst
to pursued nursing. So although she had a lot of
like outward she looked like she had it all put
together outwardly, you know, track star, military blah blah blah,
(07:49):
she was facing some inside dilemma struggles. Yes, So in
late two thousand and three, she was caught using a
stolen credit card to order food, and I guess like
they came to some agreement that if she stayed out
of trouble for three years, they would just drop it.
(08:11):
I'm so sorry. Three months, three months, geez, that's it.
Maybe she was getting into a bunch of trouble out
of it.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
So, although friends did say that normally she was responsible
and driven, which made the fact that she did this
a little uncharacteristic. So now, obviously, as I said, because
I called it the disappearance of Mara Murray, she does disappear.
So in the weeks before her disappearance, though, Mara's behavior
(08:43):
was just suggesting that she was like going through some stuff.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Like a ratic impulsive.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Sure, yeah, thank you. So on Thursday, February fifth, two
thousand and four, while working at a campus security desk,
she had what appeared to be an emotional breakdown.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Caught on camera.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Did I say that, No, I am. This is an
America's Funniest Home videos. It's just I'm just telling you
something show me, all right.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Sorry.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
So, her supervisor found Maura in what she called a
distressed quasi catatonic state. What that's what she says, which
I remember. So, I was a big fan of General Hospital. Yes,
and they used to love putting people into catatonic states.
(09:45):
You know, if you think about a very easy way
to shut somebody up, put them on ice for a while,
in a storyline like, oh Laura can't come to the
phone right now, she's catatonic. Anyway, it went around like
it was very common. Yeah, huh So, anyway, I guess
this caught a tonic. I guess this catatonic state happened
(10:08):
after Maura had a phone call with her sister Kathleen,
who was struggling with alcoholism. The sister yes. So the
supervisor was saying that Mara was unresponsive and she just
kept staring out the window. She wouldn't tell her anything
except for two words. She just kept repeating over and
over my sister. So again very uncharacteristic for Mara, but
(10:33):
this was sort of like hinting around that something wasn't
quite right and something was going on that she was
very worried about.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
So with the.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
I'm killing the kids. So with this phone call though,
like was there argue.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
I don't know was there a fight or.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Was there crying? You're wiping your brow. I'm sorry to
bother you, you.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Know I do. I don't have much more information on
the phone call itself. I don't know what who the
sister's number was. I don't know how long they were
on the phone. I don't know if they had to
talk to any operators before or after.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
All.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Right, thank you though for checking.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
You're very welcome.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
That weekend, Mar's father, Fred, came to Amherst to help
her shop for used car and they were just going
to spend time together hangout. So on Sunday, February seventh,
they reportedly did go car shopping, although no dealership ever
said oh yeah, I saw them, but they say they went,
(11:45):
or like he says they went, and then they dined
with one of Mar's friends. So Fred had withdrawn four
thousand dollars in cash for the car proper right, you
got it, and he let Mar so, like I said,
they spent the day together. Then he lets Mara borrow
his car for the evening. So he had a pretty
(12:08):
new Toyota. So now early Sunday, around three thirty in
the morning, Maa crashes her father's car and.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
I'm sorry, where is he that he came to see
her up at school and then he let her take
his car out all night, Like where was he her room?
Speaker 1 (12:28):
What? I don't know if he was staying in a
hotel or whatever. But so yeah, I'm not sure where
the father was staying. But she ends up crashing her
car on a sharp curve in Hadley, Massachusetts. Apparently it
was a pretty bad crash because it was eight thousand
to ten thousand dollars worth in damage that she did
(12:49):
to this new Toyota.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
But not total.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
So that's good, that is the bright side. Right, So
she was she was not sighted or tested for a
DUI at that time, but the accident left her pretty
shaken up. Now, have you ever been in a car accident,
like a legit car accident as a.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Driver, Yes, I need to go knock on something quickly. No, okay,
have you.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
I think somebody backed into me?
Speaker 5 (13:23):
What?
Speaker 1 (13:23):
No, hit me from behind once? Very lightly.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
That happened to me, right, But that I mean we
didn't have to call anybody.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Yeah, yeah, okay, I think that's about the extent of it.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Were you in a bad one ever as a passenger?
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (13:39):
I wasn't. Several as a child who was driving my
mom for I believe it was two of them.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Neither were two or three?
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Right? Neither were her faults, I can't remember.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
I didn't think they would be.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Yeah, yeah, good call man. I one was definitely a
tractor trailer, but I feel like both actually were one
of them. I was like stuck in the car and
I was sleeping in my car seat. I slipped through
the whole jaws of life commotion. That doesn't surprise me, right,
I wish my sleeping patterns were still like that. Now
(14:15):
I wake up every five freaking seconds.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
What can you do?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Right? And then my grandmother and I weren't a very
bad one. Well, we weren't hurt. Nobody was hurting any
of these. I was probably like thirteen ish, I want
to say, maybe a little bit younger wheels.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Like in general, yeah, getting there, in general, getting there.
By that point, still I was warming up a little meek, right,
it was cooking, It was cooking up. Yeah, So I
was probably like maybe.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
I was marinating.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Yeah, And we were like sitting in traffic and then
a car like was flying up the road and rear
ended us, and I mean, I want to say four cars.
We were like obviously the last one or not. I
guess we were the first one. And then like several
cars in front of us were also affected. So yeah, okay,
(15:09):
I got totaled though all of these cars.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
So anyway, she is very shaken up, so her dad
later says, Maraa was very upset. It still haunts me.
I think she felt like she let me down. So, oh,
here we go. Maraa did stay that night at her
dad's motel room, so he was staying at a hotel.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Okay, but then why did she need to borrow his car?
Where was she going?
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Oh? I mean, she's in college, isn't she.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
But he's coming to visit her, he's.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
So they should be bonding at three thirty am.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
No, but I mean where is she frolicking off to
in his car?
Speaker 1 (15:48):
I mean, don't you You were never out late in college?
Speaker 2 (15:51):
I surely was.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
I bet you surely were.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
But I was not doing those things when family was visiting.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
You weren't playing Freddy forty hands or whatever when your
mom was there. No, I was not.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
I held bick.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
You put on a farce.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Oh my god, I cleaned.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Studious last and a beret.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
All right, and my duck tape with my buttle.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
You were able to wipe yourself out, all right? If
you'll allow me, I would love to yes, back to this.
She stayed at her father's motel room that night. At
around five a m. Sunday, a call was placed to
(16:50):
Mara's father's phone. Tomorra's boyfriend, so a call.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
So her dad called her boy.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
From Yes from Fred's phone, Tomora's boyfriend. He was an
army lieutenant and his name was Bill.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Billy Billy's boy right.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
In Oklahoma.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Oh, long distance relationship?
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yeah, so Bill?
Speaker 1 (17:15):
You know when this was the night of that crash.
He consoles Maura over the phone about the crash, though
he sensed something more was bothering her. But that's what
they said, right exactly, That's what they talked about. So
the next day Fred finds out that insurance is going
to just cover the wreck, which lovely, so he rents
(17:36):
a car. He drops Maa off back at campus. If
that's all right with you, she's went back to school. Okay, good,
happy to hear it. Just making sure and Fred heads home.
So before leaving, they agree that they're going to talk
again Monday night over the phone and they're going to
go over the insurance paperwork.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
You know, I.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Am still sitting I ask so little. I alert, yeah, yeah, yeah,
ya you go. It's like and I feel like this time,
it's like your adrenaline has been spent from you presenting
where you're sitting there, sweating, shaking.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
I was not truly how Darien, my eyes are.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Sound Sanderson for a second. But as soon as I
start talking, I mean, I might as well do a
sleep meditation for.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
You, I yawned once. I am not sitting back. I'm
not putting my head back, I'm not shutting my eyes
I'm I'm.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
The middle of the afternoon.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Everyone, correct, My eyes are big and open, all.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Right, I'm just not even gonna look up. Good, great, fine, wonderful.
So they're gonna go over insurance information Monday night. None
of mars friends or family knew that by Monday evening
she would basically never be seen again. All right, So
(19:12):
now we are on February ninth. This is the day
where this stuff happens. On Monday morning, February ninth, two
thousand and four, it had just snowed in Amherst from
a recent storm. Classes were canceled. What a wonderful feeling
that must be.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
I agree. Which, now that's not a thing really right,
because of like what are you saying, cyber whatever you
call it.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
Like cyber Monday, like having I don't know that kids
can just remotely attend or something.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Well said, So snow days.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Are gone, snow days or no days. Baby. So Marra began,
I don't know, like started she started acting a little
bit strange, right, So classes are canceled. She starts kind
of putting this little like plan together. So now I said,
this is Monday. But just after midnight on Sunday night,
(20:20):
she had. I guess her Internet history had been like
looked at and whatever. She had searched map quest. That's
a blast from the past.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
That my first well no, not my first job out
of college, my second. I guess. I was so heavily
dependent on map Quest, and it's insane to think about,
like you had to make sure you like printed everything out. Well, yeah,
keep them all. Where else are you going? Do you
have multiple stops? Did you get them all? Like, do
it from this place to this place in the order
(20:49):
that it was? It's insane to now think of that age.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Yeah. So after just after midnight, like that morning, I guess,
is when she searches map quest for directions to two places.
The first is the Berkshires in western Massachusetts, and then
she also searches Burlington, Vermont Lovely Aero. So it's unclear
(21:14):
if she printed these out, if she printed out these directions,
but later evidence suggests that she was considering both of
these destinations as a place she was trying to go.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Was she a skier?
Speaker 1 (21:27):
I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
So around one pm on Monday, Mara emailed her long
distance boyfriend Bill and said, you know, a very nice
but kind of detached message, and she told them that
she doesn't feel like talking to anybody lately, and she
just promised she'll call him later. So all right, that
(21:50):
would send me into a spiral, but fine. She also
called a condo owner in Bartlett, New Hampshire area, where
her family had usually vacationed, and she was inquiring with
him about renting a condo for an upcoming week, but
she didn't actually make a reservation. So shortly after this
(22:12):
is about one twenty five ish on Monday afternoon, maraa
emails one of her UMass professors and her work supervisor
informing them that she had to take a week off
due to a death in the family. I'm shocked you
to go, well, well does somebody die?
Speaker 2 (22:28):
I was just gonna say, but there was no death, so.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Yes, in reality, nobody had died. She was just trying
to justify a sudden like a get away. Right at
two oh five, phone records show that Mara called a
recorded hotline about booking hotels in Stove, Vermont, which I mean,
she's all over the.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Place exactly exactly, not sticking to one area at all, Paul.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
This lasted about five minutes on the phone. She then
phones Bill and she leads him a voice message again
saying I guess I missed you, but we'll talk later. Whatever.
So clearly Maa is making some weird preparations or plans,
but nobody knows what the hell they are and know.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Like credit card charges are going through, like she is
not actually booking anything.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
No, okay, So she doesn't tell any of her friends
or family any of these. Now I'm yawning, uh oh oh,
thanks to you. Yeah, hey, oh hey oh.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
That umbrella song is in my head? Who sings that? Rihanna?
Rin Rihanna.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
So she doesn't tell any of her friends or family,
none of these specific plans, and according to investigators, there's
no indication that she actually informed any one of her
destination or any evidence that she had even picked one.
So now we're in the afternoon, Maraa acts her nineteen
ninety six black Saturn Sedan.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Now this is the new car that her progressed.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
So yeah, and she packs it pretty thoroughly, right. She
loads it up with clothing, toilet trees, textbooks, her birth
control pills as if she's going on a long trip.
So when the campus police later searched her dorm, they
found most of her belongings neatly boxed up and the
(24:28):
art removed from her walls, as though she planned to
leave school for good. I was going to come back.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
When you said that about the car being packed, I
was thinking like an extended trip or like actually moving out,
which the stuff off the walls. Yeah, right, unsettling big time.
And that it wasn't even the end of the year,
Like we're not talking summer.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Right, because then that would be normal. Yes, you got it.
And it's weird because you're saying like, so she you know,
wasn't summer. She was just moving out right right? Oh
rightioh So anyway, so yes, it was weird. Like Talia said,
(25:10):
it was very weird.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Keith didn't catch that.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
So on top of one of the boxes there was
a printed email to her boyfriend that hinted that there
was trouble in their relationship.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Oh shit.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
So sometime between three fifteen and three point thirty pm,
Marra leaves campus and she hits the road. Before departing Amherst,
she stops at an ATM and she withdraws two hundred
and eighty dollars in cash, which was pretty much all
the money she had security camera footage back in the
two thousands. Yes, security camera footage shows that she was
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alone at the ATM. She then stops at a nearby
liquor store and she purchases about forty dollars worth of alcohol,
including Bailey's Irish Cream Kalua vodka in a box of Franzia.
I was gonna says, A lot.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Of stuff it is, but none of them are heavy
hitters except the.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Vodka, all right, Well.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Like I just feel like those are softy things, like
not like like she didn't go get oodles of tequila.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Truer words I've never been spoken, or.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Oodles of vodka I don't know, but yes.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
I mean box of frenzia that could do some damage.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Yeah, and with the event.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Yeah, that's the way you were boozing it up, I
guess in college, I assume.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
But the plethora, like you commented on that she got like.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
For her having a party, right, exactly.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Exactly, good call, good call something. I mean, there's definitely
like an an unhinging seeming to be going on.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Yes, so well again she's captured on surveillance there too,
and she was by herself and she buys all these items.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Does she look okay, does she look.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
She looked all right.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
So at some point in the afternoon, Maraa also picked
up an accident report from the Registry of Motor Vehicles
for her dad's insurance claim that they were going to
have to work on because they were supposed to talk
that evening. If you recall, I do so, around four
point thirty in the afternoon, she starts driving north. She
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checks her voicemail one last time. So the call, this
call like checking her voicemail, was the final recorded use
of her cell phone. And after that Maraa just goes
completely off the grid.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Like no pinging? Did they ping back then? Phones?
Speaker 1 (27:46):
I guess I think they did.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Yeah, but the grid done done.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Now we're in the evening. So it's believed that Maraa
drove north on Interstate ninety one and then east into
New Hampshire, heading toward the White Mountains.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Well then, I guess I was gonna ask you, but
I guess scratch.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
This great, So the sun sets early.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
If she was supposed to go meet her dad, she obviously.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
On the phone they were gonna talk.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Oh, I thought this was going to be in person
about the introance they were going to talk on the phone.
I was gonna say, she's obviously not driving to him.
Got it, Yes, got it?
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Okay, the sun sets early that day.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
I'm so sorry. Oh, I'm so sorry. Now this area
of New Hampshire that you're saying this is one of
the places that she called. No, it's not no, okay.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
She Well, unless this place was in the White Mountains,
I don't freaking know.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Yeah, all right, sun setting.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Sun setting. It's a little bit after seven pm.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
You know.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
I love that dusk time when it's snowy out though,
and it's like that twilight. Look it's not it's not
like a warm sunset. It's like a something else.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
It's like a sad think it has a set.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
I love it. It's just oh it's so peaceful and quiet.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Yeah, sounds nice.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Well, it wasn't nice this night. So Mar's saddurn that
she's driving, spins out of control on a sharp corner
en route one to twelve near the village of Woodsville
in Haverhill, New Hampshire. So around seven thirty a local resident,
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Faith Westman, frantically calls nine to one to one to
report that a car had crashed into a snowbank by
her house.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Don't you find it odd? Which if this is because
of the weather, fine, But like this girl's been in
two car accidents in two days.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Well, I think she's probably frantic about something or or
extremely distracted or something. Yes, yes, So Faith said that
the car was against the snowbank, it was facing the
wrong way on the road after apparently hitting a tree.
So in that initial call, she also reported seeing a
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person in the car, and this is strange. She comments
that the person in the car, she says, it looked
like a man smoking a cigarette in the driver's seat. Now,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
I just got the chills, bad, chillworthy bad.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Now.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Her husband later said that he didn't see a man,
and Faith herself would concede she might have just seen
the glow of a cell phone light, which she mistook
for a cigarette's embers.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
But did the husband say I didn't see a man
smoking a cigarette, I saw a woman. Or did he
say I didn't see that it was a man's smoking.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
I just think he said he didn't see anybody like
what she's staying r Yeah, Okay, So Maraa had worn
her hair up for the night, so I guess from
a distance, she might have looked like she had short hair.
Maybe she didn't obviously appear female at that moment. But
whatever Faith saw, Mara was alive at the crash scene
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around like I said, seven thirty pm. Twenty minutes later,
police arrive, MARAA is no longer there. Nobody ever sees
Mara again.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
You are kidding me. No, that's extremely unsettling.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Is the door left open?
Speaker 1 (31:36):
It's also a little bizarre that the people who called
the police didn't go over to check on the personal.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Or stay or even keep their eyes on the situation
from a distance. Nothing.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
You would have been Your eyes would have been peeled
at that window.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
I would not have.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
No, you wouldn't have gone You would have gone out,
But I would have dared. I would have I mean,
your nose would have been flat up against that glass.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
I wouldn't have gotten that close. I would have been
scaredy what if it was a trap?
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Anyway, So this accident occurs, like I said, along this
dark road route one to twelve.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Would there have been footprints from snow potentially?
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Yeah, we'll get there, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, So this
road had woods on either side of it and there
were rolling a few homes nearby. So maraas Saturn, hits
this tree at a tight right hand turn and spun
to a stop partly in the road, and its front
end was pretty damaged. So hearing the impact faith she
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looks out the window. She sees this car is not
looking good, and within minutes another neighbor, Butch at Wood
he was a school bus driver. Oh, he happened upon
the scene as he was driving home in his school bus.
So he pulls over and he finds maraa alone next
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to the dented car. Because like I said when I said,
nobody ever saw her after, Like, these things are happening simultaneously.
You know, You've got the neighbor looking out the window
calling the police, and now the school bus driver is like,
it's not like this happened an hour after the neighbor.
So this is all happening like in real time together, right, Okay.
So he pulls over. He finds her, like I said,
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standing out, you know, in front of her car. The
temperature was below freezing and Mara was shivering and she
was just in a light coat. So Butch noted that
she did not appear injured. He said, there was no blood,
nothing was broken. She was just cold and a little
bit shaken up. So he offered to help and said
he would call the police from his house. So I
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guess Mara pleaded with him not to call nine one one.
She was already insisting that she had called Triple A
for roadside assistance. But Butch knew that this was unlikely
true because cell reception in the mountain area was virtually nonexistent. Okay, So,
sensing Mara's anxiety, he he wasn't like pressuring her or whatever,
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Like I feel like he didn't want a spooker, right,
He's like, okay, okay, all right, you know stuff something
like that does it. But later he did say that
she seemed upset. He said he was like, I don't
think she was intoxicated, but she did not seem like
she was in a good place.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
It makes me wonder, though, like maybe you'll get to
if all the liquor in her car like looked like
she had begun with any of it. But it makes
me wonder, even if she didn't appear intoxicated to him,
why would you not want to call the police, Like
what why would you have such a strong reaction to that.
I mean, obviously she got into an accident, and she
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had just gotten into an accent. I'm sure I could
just be that, I suppose, but I don't know.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
And little does she know the police have already been called.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
By the other lady, right exactly so.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
But Butch is obviously concerned. So he drives one hundred
yards down the road to his house and he phones
nine to one one by himself. Now, I have heard
reports where he offered for her to come with him,
but she didn't go.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
I know, I know, I'd rather take my chances on
the wild road, not going back to Butchi's Butchy boys,
he was trying to help, know that, yes, and he
was a dear sweet man, it seems, but you never know.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
I agree, I know it's a very you don't know
what to do with that now. So while on the phone,
he could no longer see Marri's car from his house,
but he did notice that several other cars had passed
by on this road before the police arrived. So, whoever
those passing drivers were, none of them have ever come forward.
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So now we're back to faith. Who was the neighbor
lady or that neighbor lady. But the lady in the neighborhood. Yes,
so her call had already been dispatched by the Haverhill
Police sergeant Cecil Smith. I'm sorry, Cecil Smith. So he
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he gets dispatched at seven point thirty. So according to
the official log, Cecil arrives at approximately seven forty five,
so not too long, right, saying take reasonable. But by
that time Maa is gone. So another kind of weird
thing is another local resident driving home again like this
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all happens very quickly. Again around seven thirty seven, she
claims that she saw a police suv already there. I
thought you were gonna say I got the chelse ahead
of that official time that the other cops said he
got there. And she said when she saw the police car,
it was parked nose to nose with Mara's car, but
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nobody was around either vehicle, like.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
In a car jumping battery jumping setup.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Sure, right, right, but just nobody was there. So I
guess this person says, you know, look, I only stopped briefly.
I didn't see anybody. I just continued on my way. Then,
but this person's account completely contradicts the log of the
other you know, policeman.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Then I got the chill set all right, then it's chilworthy, right.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
So whether this was a case of just timing confusion
or whether it was an accurate sighting a like of
a different vehicle, nobody knows. It's just a weird discrepancy.
What is clear, though, is that by the time law
enforcement and ems did reach location, Mara had vanished without
a trace, basically in a span of minutes. It says,
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if she just stepped off the face of the earth
in that short window, leaving her wrecked car behind on
a snowy bank next to the road, she.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Wasn't even dressed like properly for the weather. Based off
of what Butch says, like it makes me very nervous
for her, and just surrounded by woods on each side.
Mm hmm, like it's like a hostile environment for that season.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Yes. So investigators examined the Saturn and the immediate area.
So the car was found locked, Its windshield was cracked
on the driver's side, both airbags had deployed, and the
impact had crumbled the front left headlight and pushed the
engine's radiator into the fan, so the car was not drivable.
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Inside the Saturn, police discovered evidence that Mara had been drinking.
There were red stains that looked and smelled like wine,
including some splashed on the driver's side door and the ceiling,
and an empty beer bottle on the seat.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
She didn't even buy beer at the liquor store, you knows,
Oh that's true.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
And for the wine to be slocked about, like whether
she was driving and drinking or if she pulled over
and was just drinking in the car, It's like, I'm
getting such a vibe vibe of like desperation of like
sucking anything down she can, and that for it to
make like a mess like that, Like she just doesn't
sound like she was in a good state at all.
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I wonder what it was that like rocked her so badly.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
I think we all do.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
I think we're gonna say. I think we all know
it's gonna say, well, I don't.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
So. A damaged cardboard box of Phronsia wine was on
the rear seat behind the driver's seat, and there was
a coke bottle that had contained a reddish liquid with
a strong alcoholic odor, and that was also in the
back seat. I guess. So it appeared that Mara might
have mixed a cocktail for the road, I guess. Along
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with these, several personal items were found, so Maraa's triple
A card, the blank accident report that she picked up
that she was going to go over with her dad
later maps slash directions to you know, Burlington, Vermont. There
were a pair of gloves, There were CDs, make up,
a diamond jewelry piece, and I guess Mara's favorite stuffed animal. Ah.
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There was also a book titled Not Without Peril about
mountain adventures in the White Mountains, and that was found
in the car as well. So but strangely, there were
some crucial items missing. For example, Maraa's debit card was
not there, or any of her credit cards nor her
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cell phone could be found, and in the time since
none of them have ever been used again. So Mara's
keys were gone too, and presumably you know, with her.
Police later noted that some kind of the alcohol that
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she brought, like certain bottles of liquor, were not in
the car either anymore, implying that she may have taken
them with her when she left the scene.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
That just is Ah, I don't know, like I guess,
if she's not in a great frame of mind, she's
already been drinking. We don't know how intoxicated she was.
It's odd to me that you would think, like, I'm assuming, well,
really where was she going to go?
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Though?
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Because she wasn't like familiar with the area. I was
gonna say, are you all right? I was going to
say that she must have been trying to get to
such and such, but there really was no such and such,
like she didn't know what was going on and what
was around there. But that you're thinking, you know, the
phone and the cards make sense to bring with you,
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but to not just leave the alcohol there is just well, yeah,
odd to me, Like you felt the need to take
those and mm hmm, like how much could you possibly consume?
You obviously I would think intend to go back to
get this damaged cart at some point. Why wouldn't you
just leave the alcohol there? No, just that's odd to me.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
So another odd discovery was that a dishtowel or a
rag had been stuffed into the Saturn's tailpipe. Mar's father
would later explain that he had instructed her to put
a rag in there to quite a noisy exhaust issue.
And I guess this is what the Saturn had happening
but that I'm not a car person, but that doesn't sound.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Right safe at all. Yikes.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
So nonetheless, there responding officers, you know, found that this
was pretty strange, and they were wondering if it was
an attempt to sabotage the car or a sign of
somebody else's involvement. At the crash site itself, there were
no footprints visible in the fresh snow heading into the woods,
and there were no obvious drops of blood or signs
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of a struggle on the road. The only confirmed sighting
of mar that evening were by the two neighbor people,
the Westmins, and by Butch So. In total, Maraa had
about seven to ten minutes after the bus driver drove
back to his house to either hide or to escape
before police arrived, and in that brief span she managed
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to just completely vanish investigators and locals. They poured over this, like,
they call it the critical seven minute window, and they
keep trying to imagine how a young woman could just
disappear so quickly on this rural road. God, I hate
when they describe a road like that, rural road without
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footprints or whatever.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
So they did consider several scenarios. But it's like, so
the first one, if Maraa had simply just run into
the woods to avoid the police because maybe she was
scared she was going to get a dui or whatever,
you know, it seems that she would have been pretty
easy to track. But there was about a foot and
a half of snow on the ground with hard crust
on top, as one noted, so like maybe she didn't
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leave footprints, but that.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
Snow that you have to break through as you're walking, so.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
There would be the holes. Like that's what I'm saying.
So if if it was really a hard crust, I guess,
depending on how heavi she was, she could have. But
the oh as if she walked across right right, But
the searchers were saying, like, I don't think that that's
really possible. He said, if you or I were to
walk off this road and into the snow, we would
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very easily sink into it. So but like I said,
there were no footprints found leading into the forest. So
and the snow hadn't melted or been obscured by new
snowfall in that time, like it wasn't snowing at that point.
So they concluded that Mara did not run off into
the wilderness, at least not within the immediate vicinity of
the crash, Like maybe she got onto the road and
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then ran off somewhere else. So they did use tracking dogs.
A tracking dog later picks up Maras scent from one
of the gloves, and it followed it east along the
road for about one hundred yards, then abruptly just loses
the trail.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
So if a car picked her up, right, so, then
she didn't go into the woods and she actually but
then how did nobody see her?
Speaker 1 (45:14):
I guess it's possible, so, you know, like you said,
for the scent to just stop like that, it obviously
suggests that she got into a vehicle. We don't know
if it was willingly or not, but that she got
into a vehicle and left the scene. I didn't think
of that, And Butch did say the cars were passing
exactly precisely. So if she was out on the road
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walking and shivering and probably holding herself, you know, because
of how cold she was, I mean, she would probably
whether it was a good Samaritan or not, she probably
seemed like somebody who needed help right well.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
And that also then scares me though, how you said
of those cars who passed that he saw and how
no one came forward. As ever, seeing her makes me
worry that one of them did get her and then
things did not go well.
Speaker 3 (45:58):
Right.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
So, despite the lack of immediate clues, one possible sighting
of Marara trickled in much later. A contractor driving home
that night between eight and eight thirty, so an hour
basically after she or after the police were called, claimed
that about four to five miles east of the crash site.
He said he saw a young person moving quickly on
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foot a long Route one twelve. She was headed eastbound.
He noticed the person was wearing jeans, a dark coat,
and a light colored hood, and this is a tire
that could have matched what Marara had on. However, the
witness did not report what he saw at that time.
He told people three months later, oh my gosh, after
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reviewing his work logs and the news of Mara's case,
he realized that this happened like the same night she disappeared,
around the same time, around the same road, right, So
I guess let's not be too hard on the right
A contractor.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
Man, he didn't connect it. It makes sense, you don't,
you know? You're seeing something that's right, not good.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
Right, So if that was her, it means that she
somehow covered several miles on foot, or maybe she did
hitchhike a little bit, but without any corroboration, and considering
how swiftly the official search team started the sighting is
pretty it's I mean, it still remains unconfirmed whether it
was her at all, So it's just another like weird
thing to add to the mystery surrounding this. So this
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will shock you. Law enforcement's handling of the case in
the first forty eight hours has been a subject of
a lot.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
Of scrutiny, horrendous right.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
So when Haverhill police traced the abandoned car tomorrow Murray,
they initially treated her disappearance as a missing person case
with a possible voluntary ankle.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
Absolutely, sometimes people just want to lead.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
She wanted to start again.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
With her koluwa. It's not funny, No, it isn't funny.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
So in other words, they entertained the idea that Maura
just ran off on purpose, she just wanted to disappear.
This early theory arose because the of the weird steps
that Mara had taken that day, like calling all those.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
Different places and travel plans and stuff. Yeah, but I'm
not thinking she wanted to start again. I'm thinking she
wanted to go on a trip. And I the vibe
I have is that she was trying to get away
from something for sure, not like someone was scaring or
she wanted to flee, but like something, you know, was
brought to her attention that was awful. If like you
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had mentioned, there was trouble with her and Billy Bill,
if something distasteful was brought to her attention, maybe it's
like I got to get the hell out of here.
I need a break, I need to get away, I
need to change of scenery, not starting again, especially at
her age, especially in the middle of the school year
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in college. Like, I don't know about this.
Speaker 1 (48:57):
So later in the week, investigators publicly stated that they
believed Maraa did leave amherst intending not to return, you know,
basically because of the stuff that they found in the
dorm room and how it was kind of taken down
and whatever. And they said that maybe she accepted a
ride from somebody after the crash and then she just
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continued on her way from there. In a press release
about a month later, authority said that they had found
no evidence of a crime, and they even dismissed speculation
of any serial killer that might have been involved. So
to them, at least early on, it seemed Mara's case
was that of a basically despondent or determined young woman
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who chose to vanish on her own. Yeah, so with
that mindset, the urgency and scope of the initial search
probably wasn't what it should have been.
Speaker 2 (49:52):
Slipped through the crep right.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
I feel like we should always think of that as
the last resort, and people think of it as the first.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
It's so awful.
Speaker 1 (50:02):
So on the night of February ninth, after finding the
car officers and the canine unit, they do a brief
search of the immediate area. A state trooper and the
bus driver Butch they drive up and down the local
roads search for Maura. No avail. There was no organized
ground search that was even conducted that night. The next morning,
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the police issued a BOLO which is be on the
lookout Fascinating for Marra, and finally labeled her as officially
missing around noon, twenty four hours after she was last seen.
New Hampshire Fish and Game officials were briefed and told
that if Mara hadn't turned up by the following day,
they would initiate a search. So Mara's father, Fred, he
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hadn't even been notified yet. A message about her car
being found was left on his home answering machine Tuesday afternoon,
but Fred was out of state for work. It wasn't
until one of Mara's sisters reached him in the evening
of the tenth that he learned his daughter was missing.
So of course Fred races to New Hampshire overnight. So
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by Wednesday now, which is thirty six hours after the crash,
a full scale search finally ramps up because now somebody's
actually there, who's like pressing them right with.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
This huge chunk of time that's gone by, with I'm
sure priceless clues that would have been so helpful.
Speaker 1 (51:32):
So State troopers, fish and game personnel, tracking dogs, helicopters
with thermal imaging. They were all deployed on February eleventh
in a coordinated effort. A tracking dog was given Mara's
glove and confirmed what the initial little canine helper had said.
The dog followed the scent along the road about one
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hundred yards and then just stopped cold, indicating that she
likely got into a vehicle at that point or beam up,
you know, after we heard about your Pascaloosa, the Fellows, Patagonia.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
Thing, Patagonia. Anything is possible.
Speaker 1 (52:11):
Of course, No footprints, no straps of clothing, no clues
were found in the snow or the surrounding wilderness. So
by nightfall on February eleventh, authorities were publicly leaning towards
the theory that Mara had either run off to avoid
trouble or perhaps harmed herself in the woods. By nightfall
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on February eleventh, authorities were publicly leaning towards the theory
that Mara had either run off to avoid trouble or
maybe she just harmed herself in the woods, despite her
family's strong belief that there was something else to blame.
So in hindsight, there were some missed opportunities and some
questionable decisions made during that early response. So critics noted
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that the police did not immediately treat Mara's car as
a potential crime scene.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
Why why would they, especially not knowing nobody saw her
leave it, Nobody saw It's just it's it's absolutely inexcusable, inexcusable.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
To me, so the Saturn was towed from the accident
the night that night of February ninth, but instead of
being impounded at a secure facility, it was taken to
the private home of a towing company operator and left
in his garage for several days. So this means that
any forensic evidence on or in the car could have
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been compromised or delayed. So her father, arriving that week,
was surprised to discover that the car was stored in
this tow guys a personal garage and could not believe
that he was only seeing it for himself that Friday. Additionally,
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when a nearby house just down the road from the
crash was searched because I guess they were searching nearby homes,
days later, there was a suspicious looking trail in the snow,
like pulling a body. Well, I don't know, but it
was suspicious. The items taken for testing because they took
some carpet samples and stuff. Those items that they took
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they sat untested for an extended period. Why, according to
one account, certain DNA evidence that was in the house
hold on to your nips was not analyzed for two years.
What right, which was a very frustrating for the Murray family.
Speaker 2 (54:45):
Yeah, it's so shameful. It is.
Speaker 1 (54:47):
I don't even understand. I just don't get it. I
don't get it, but I never will.
Speaker 2 (54:52):
No, And the frequency that we hear details like that,
this and stories just makes me sick, these poor families.
Speaker 1 (55:03):
So from the start of this, her dad felt that
there was a strong possibility of foul play, and that
this strong possibility was not taken seriously at all. He
had pointed out that authorities seemed more inclined to write
Mara off as an irresponsible runaway or just some suicidal
(55:23):
girl than to lock down the area and interview neighbors
aggressively in those first crucial hours. Well that's correct, sir.
Speaker 2 (55:31):
Oh yeah, I agree with him completely.
Speaker 1 (55:33):
So on that depressing note, I noticed that we have
hit about an hour and we've still got pretty much
to talk about. Right, So what I think will do
is make this a two parter, and when we reconvene,
we will talk about the theories, the speculations, and the
(55:54):
aftermath of what happened that night.
Speaker 2 (55:57):
Sounds I was gonna say, awful, sounds off awesome.
Speaker 1 (56:03):
Well if you say so, alright with you? All right?
So everybody. On that note, we look forward to seeing
you again.
Speaker 2 (56:13):
We always do.
Speaker 1 (56:14):
There you go, and until then, Stacy and stay chill.
Speaker 2 (56:19):
Bye everybody.
Speaker 1 (56:21):
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Speaker 2 (56:43):
We try to approach each topic with a sense of
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
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Speaker 1 (00:16):
So if you're ready to hear some chilling and unsettling cases,
you're in the right place. Happy listening. Hello, Hello, everyone,
Welcome back to another episode of Chillworthy with Brent and Talia.
Hi everybody, how you doing today?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I'm doing very well, I thought, so how about you.
That's nice.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
It's a shame that phrase went out of style.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I agree. I think it's adorable. Makes me want what
probably makes you.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Sad about it does make me sad about peaches, except
I don't think I'm actually allergic to them. You've said
right right for the chillers, I think I was allergic.
I thought I was allergic at one point, but I
think it was actually whatever was sprayed on the peach.
But now I've sworn off peaches for the rest of
my life, even though I went to the allergist and
they did a pin prick of peach and I'm not allergic.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
But say that three times fast, pin prick of peach.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Seeing I can't, I shan't be doing it, so me
we're doing back to back episode. So that means no
new books. No, you know, nothing crazy however, uh dare
I ask? Is there anything you'd like to say that
you're happy about? Absolutely you want to share it?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Yeah, I think I'll say that I'm very grateful to
have memories.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
From from like childhood, Like I'm grateful we lived somewhere
that we could access water, like wild water specifically I.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
See in all forms, not all forms, but in several forms,
and I'm grateful for that. I think that does something
to a childhood and I'm grateful.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
I don't even know where to go from that, what
to say?
Speaker 2 (02:21):
That's fine, don't feel pressured to.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
I'm very thrown off by that.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Well what's yours?
Speaker 1 (02:29):
I'm not sure that's what I'm saying. I take time,
So I think one of the things that I love
am grateful for.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yeah, are you know?
Speaker 1 (02:44):
And just stick with me here, all right, as I
explain it. But DVDs okay, because we now live in
a world where people are far too dependent on streaming services, right, yes,
and you can't rely on those bastards well.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
And when they offer and what's getting ripped from That's
what I'm saying, held hostage, We are. I was gonna
say we're pirates now, but I guess the pirates are
the ones holding people hostage. Continue.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
So for me, as you've seen, I have a very
big book of DVDs, movies and some shows, but the
shows kind of are in a drawer. But I think
of DVDs as little pocket worlds, little mini pocket world,
elly picket, you can visit anytime you want, yes, And
without having those DVDs, you can't always get to your
(03:42):
little pocket world. So you know you want to have
you want to have a feel good movie, and you
want to watch Missus Doubtfire, right, Like, let's get real here,
where the hell are we supposed to find Missus Downfire
on such short notice on a streaming service that we
don't have to buy a new one to get, you know, like, hey,
watch stars and we'll let you see this twenty five
(04:02):
year old movie, forty year old movie. You know, No, God,
that's sad.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Yeah, you're right, But.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
I don't have to do that because I've got my
pocket world Missus Doubt Fire, where I can slip into
that world anytime I want, have a nice time. Right,
So you know, for Gully there, we're in.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
It absolutely you're not. I was gonna say, held hospital,
held top, We're not, no at their mercy.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
I was going to say, no, you're not at their mercy.
You're not the Golden Girls, the Golden Girls. You know
they cut the Golden Girls up all the time. No, no, no,
but I mean, like even like on Hallmark or something like.
I was watching it at the beach and I wasn't
watching it on like a DVD or anything. I was
just it was just on the TV. And there are
lines that are gone because they want to fit it
(04:50):
into the commercial breaks, or that.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
The commercial starts talking over. Literally one of the scenes
is terribly done. They don't care, no respect exactly.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
They don't have any respect for none. So that's what
I like. I like those DVDs. I enjoy having them.
I have a tiny little DVD player. That's all I.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Need because I feel like they're getting to right, That's
what I mean.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Pretty soon they'll be like vintage on eBay or something,
but I haven't and if I need it, I shall
use it. So all right, five minutes.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
In bad refreshing, not bad.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
All right, So today it's my turn. Yeah, hopefully everybody
recovered from that Friday the thirteenth episode. I thought you
were gonna say special.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
It was.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Well, no, it was special. Yeah, So today we're gonna
go back to basics. Back to basics.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Good.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
So this is a this is a case that I
have seen over and over and over again ever since
we started the podcast, but I never did it. But
it's so damn popular, so we're doing it today. Of it,
I'm not saying, well, maybe you came across it, but
like I'm just saying, when whenever I look up cases,
(06:11):
like if I'm like looking up chilling cases, scary disappearances,
this case always comes up, but I just never dig
into it, and this time I did. All right, So
all right, okay.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Fair's fair?
Speaker 1 (06:29):
All right. So today's case is the disappearance of Mara Murray.
Never heard of her, all right, So a little bit
of background on her. So MARAA Murray, m you r
are ay. She was a twenty one year old nursing student.
So she had a very nice personality, you know, right bubbly.
(06:55):
She was athletic. She was raised in an Irish Catholic
family in Hanston, Massachusetts, and she was the fourth of
five siblings. I guess in high school she was a star,
track runner, she's a runner, she's a track star or whatever.
But I don't I think it's a song. I could
(07:15):
be wrong. So she entered West Point, Wow did she? Yes?
She entered West Point to study chemical engineering.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
All of this is extremely impressive.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Military life wasn't for her and transferred to UMass Amherst
to pursued nursing. So although she had a lot of
like outward she looked like she had it all put
together outwardly, you know, track star, military blah blah blah,
(07:49):
she was facing some inside dilemma struggles. Yes, So in
late two thousand and three, she was caught using a
stolen credit card to order food, and I guess like
they came to some agreement that if she stayed out
of trouble for three years, they would just drop it.
(08:11):
I'm so sorry. Three months, three months, geez, that's it.
Maybe she was getting into a bunch of trouble out
of it.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
So, although friends did say that normally she was responsible
and driven, which made the fact that she did this
a little uncharacteristic. So now, obviously, as I said, because
I called it the disappearance of Mara Murray, she does disappear.
So in the weeks before her disappearance, though, Mara's behavior
(08:43):
was just suggesting that she was like going through some stuff.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Like a ratic impulsive.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Sure, yeah, thank you. So on Thursday, February fifth, two
thousand and four, while working at a campus security desk,
she had what appeared to be an emotional breakdown.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Caught on camera.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Did I say that, No, I am. This is an
America's Funniest Home videos. It's just I'm just telling you
something show me, all right.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Sorry.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
So, her supervisor found Maura in what she called a
distressed quasi catatonic state. What that's what she says, which
I remember. So, I was a big fan of General Hospital. Yes,
and they used to love putting people into catatonic states.
(09:45):
You know, if you think about a very easy way
to shut somebody up, put them on ice for a while,
in a storyline like, oh Laura can't come to the
phone right now, she's catatonic. Anyway, it went around like
it was very common. Yeah, huh So, anyway, I guess
this caught a tonic. I guess this catatonic state happened
(10:08):
after Maura had a phone call with her sister Kathleen,
who was struggling with alcoholism. The sister yes. So the
supervisor was saying that Mara was unresponsive and she just
kept staring out the window. She wouldn't tell her anything
except for two words. She just kept repeating over and
over my sister. So again very uncharacteristic for Mara, but
(10:33):
this was sort of like hinting around that something wasn't
quite right and something was going on that she was
very worried about.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
So with the.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
I'm killing the kids. So with this phone call though,
like was there argue.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
I don't know was there a fight or.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Was there crying? You're wiping your brow. I'm sorry to
bother you, you.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Know I do. I don't have much more information on
the phone call itself. I don't know what who the
sister's number was. I don't know how long they were
on the phone. I don't know if they had to
talk to any operators before or after.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
All.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Right, thank you though for checking.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
You're very welcome.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
That weekend, Mar's father, Fred, came to Amherst to help
her shop for used car and they were just going
to spend time together hangout. So on Sunday, February seventh,
they reportedly did go car shopping, although no dealership ever
said oh yeah, I saw them, but they say they went,
(11:45):
or like he says they went, and then they dined
with one of Mar's friends. So Fred had withdrawn four
thousand dollars in cash for the car proper right, you
got it, and he let Mar so, like I said,
they spent the day together. Then he lets Mara borrow
his car for the evening. So he had a pretty
(12:08):
new Toyota. So now early Sunday, around three thirty in
the morning, Maa crashes her father's car and.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
I'm sorry, where is he that he came to see
her up at school and then he let her take
his car out all night, Like where was he her room?
Speaker 1 (12:28):
What? I don't know if he was staying in a
hotel or whatever. But so yeah, I'm not sure where
the father was staying. But she ends up crashing her
car on a sharp curve in Hadley, Massachusetts. Apparently it
was a pretty bad crash because it was eight thousand
to ten thousand dollars worth in damage that she did
(12:49):
to this new Toyota.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
But not total.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
So that's good, that is the bright side. Right, So
she was she was not sighted or tested for a
DUI at that time, but the accident left her pretty
shaken up. Now, have you ever been in a car accident,
like a legit car accident as a.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Driver, Yes, I need to go knock on something quickly. No, okay,
have you.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
I think somebody backed into me?
Speaker 5 (13:23):
What?
Speaker 1 (13:23):
No, hit me from behind once? Very lightly.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
That happened to me, right, But that I mean we
didn't have to call anybody.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Yeah, yeah, okay, I think that's about the extent of it.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Were you in a bad one ever as a passenger?
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (13:39):
I wasn't. Several as a child who was driving my
mom for I believe it was two of them.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Neither were two or three?
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Right? Neither were her faults, I can't remember.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
I didn't think they would be.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Yeah, yeah, good call man. I one was definitely a
tractor trailer, but I feel like both actually were one
of them. I was like stuck in the car and
I was sleeping in my car seat. I slipped through
the whole jaws of life commotion. That doesn't surprise me, right,
I wish my sleeping patterns were still like that. Now
(14:15):
I wake up every five freaking seconds.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
What can you do?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Right? And then my grandmother and I weren't a very
bad one. Well, we weren't hurt. Nobody was hurting any
of these. I was probably like thirteen ish, I want
to say, maybe a little bit younger wheels.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Like in general, yeah, getting there, in general, getting there.
By that point, still I was warming up a little meek, right,
it was cooking, It was cooking up. Yeah, So I
was probably like maybe.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
I was marinating.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Yeah, And we were like sitting in traffic and then
a car like was flying up the road and rear
ended us, and I mean, I want to say four cars.
We were like obviously the last one or not. I
guess we were the first one. And then like several
cars in front of us were also affected. So yeah, okay,
(15:09):
I got totaled though all of these cars.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
So anyway, she is very shaken up, so her dad
later says, Maraa was very upset. It still haunts me.
I think she felt like she let me down. So, oh,
here we go. Maraa did stay that night at her
dad's motel room, so he was staying at a hotel.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Okay, but then why did she need to borrow his car?
Where was she going?
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Oh? I mean, she's in college, isn't she.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
But he's coming to visit her, he's.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
So they should be bonding at three thirty am.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
No, but I mean where is she frolicking off to
in his car?
Speaker 1 (15:48):
I mean, don't you You were never out late in college?
Speaker 2 (15:51):
I surely was.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
I bet you surely were.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
But I was not doing those things when family was visiting.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
You weren't playing Freddy forty hands or whatever when your
mom was there. No, I was not.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
I held bick.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
You put on a farce.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Oh my god, I cleaned.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Studious last and a beret.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
All right, and my duck tape with my buttle.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
You were able to wipe yourself out, all right? If
you'll allow me, I would love to yes, back to this.
She stayed at her father's motel room that night. At
around five a m. Sunday, a call was placed to
(16:50):
Mara's father's phone. Tomorra's boyfriend, so a call.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
So her dad called her boy.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
From Yes from Fred's phone, Tomora's boyfriend. He was an
army lieutenant and his name was Bill.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Billy Billy's boy right.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
In Oklahoma.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Oh, long distance relationship?
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yeah, so Bill?
Speaker 1 (17:15):
You know when this was the night of that crash.
He consoles Maura over the phone about the crash, though
he sensed something more was bothering her. But that's what
they said, right exactly, That's what they talked about. So
the next day Fred finds out that insurance is going
to just cover the wreck, which lovely, so he rents
(17:36):
a car. He drops Maa off back at campus. If
that's all right with you, she's went back to school. Okay, good,
happy to hear it. Just making sure and Fred heads home.
So before leaving, they agree that they're going to talk
again Monday night over the phone and they're going to
go over the insurance paperwork.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
You know, I.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Am still sitting I ask so little. I alert, yeah, yeah, yeah,
ya you go. It's like and I feel like this time,
it's like your adrenaline has been spent from you presenting
where you're sitting there, sweating, shaking.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
I was not truly how Darien, my eyes are.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Sound Sanderson for a second. But as soon as I
start talking, I mean, I might as well do a
sleep meditation for.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
You, I yawned once. I am not sitting back. I'm
not putting my head back, I'm not shutting my eyes
I'm I'm.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
The middle of the afternoon.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Everyone, correct, My eyes are big and open, all.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Right, I'm just not even gonna look up. Good, great, fine, wonderful.
So they're gonna go over insurance information Monday night. None
of mars friends or family knew that by Monday evening
she would basically never be seen again. All right, So
(19:12):
now we are on February ninth. This is the day
where this stuff happens. On Monday morning, February ninth, two
thousand and four, it had just snowed in Amherst from
a recent storm. Classes were canceled. What a wonderful feeling
that must be.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
I agree. Which, now that's not a thing really right,
because of like what are you saying, cyber whatever you
call it.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
Like cyber Monday, like having I don't know that kids
can just remotely attend or something.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Well said, So snow days.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Are gone, snow days or no days. Baby. So Marra began,
I don't know, like started she started acting a little
bit strange, right, So classes are canceled. She starts kind
of putting this little like plan together. So now I said,
this is Monday. But just after midnight on Sunday night,
(20:20):
she had. I guess her Internet history had been like
looked at and whatever. She had searched map quest. That's
a blast from the past.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
That my first well no, not my first job out
of college, my second. I guess. I was so heavily
dependent on map Quest, and it's insane to think about,
like you had to make sure you like printed everything out. Well, yeah,
keep them all. Where else are you going? Do you
have multiple stops? Did you get them all? Like, do
it from this place to this place in the order
(20:49):
that it was? It's insane to now think of that age.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Yeah. So after just after midnight, like that morning, I guess,
is when she searches map quest for directions to two places.
The first is the Berkshires in western Massachusetts, and then
she also searches Burlington, Vermont Lovely Aero. So it's unclear
(21:14):
if she printed these out, if she printed out these directions,
but later evidence suggests that she was considering both of
these destinations as a place she was trying to go.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Was she a skier?
Speaker 1 (21:27):
I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
So around one pm on Monday, Mara emailed her long
distance boyfriend Bill and said, you know, a very nice
but kind of detached message, and she told them that
she doesn't feel like talking to anybody lately, and she
just promised she'll call him later. So all right, that
(21:50):
would send me into a spiral, but fine. She also
called a condo owner in Bartlett, New Hampshire area, where
her family had usually vacationed, and she was inquiring with
him about renting a condo for an upcoming week, but
she didn't actually make a reservation. So shortly after this
(22:12):
is about one twenty five ish on Monday afternoon, maraa
emails one of her UMass professors and her work supervisor
informing them that she had to take a week off
due to a death in the family. I'm shocked you
to go, well, well does somebody die?
Speaker 2 (22:28):
I was just gonna say, but there was no death, so.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Yes, in reality, nobody had died. She was just trying
to justify a sudden like a get away. Right at
two oh five, phone records show that Mara called a
recorded hotline about booking hotels in Stove, Vermont, which I mean,
she's all over the.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Place exactly exactly, not sticking to one area at all, Paul.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
This lasted about five minutes on the phone. She then
phones Bill and she leads him a voice message again
saying I guess I missed you, but we'll talk later. Whatever.
So clearly Maa is making some weird preparations or plans,
but nobody knows what the hell they are and know.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Like credit card charges are going through, like she is
not actually booking anything.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
No, okay, So she doesn't tell any of her friends
or family any of these. Now I'm yawning, uh oh oh,
thanks to you. Yeah, hey, oh hey oh.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
That umbrella song is in my head? Who sings that? Rihanna?
Rin Rihanna.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
So she doesn't tell any of her friends or family,
none of these specific plans, and according to investigators, there's
no indication that she actually informed any one of her
destination or any evidence that she had even picked one.
So now we're in the afternoon, Maraa acts her nineteen
ninety six black Saturn Sedan.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Now this is the new car that her progressed.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
So yeah, and she packs it pretty thoroughly, right. She
loads it up with clothing, toilet trees, textbooks, her birth
control pills as if she's going on a long trip.
So when the campus police later searched her dorm, they
found most of her belongings neatly boxed up and the
(24:28):
art removed from her walls, as though she planned to
leave school for good. I was going to come back.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
When you said that about the car being packed, I
was thinking like an extended trip or like actually moving out,
which the stuff off the walls. Yeah, right, unsettling big time.
And that it wasn't even the end of the year,
Like we're not talking summer.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Right, because then that would be normal. Yes, you got it.
And it's weird because you're saying like, so she you know,
wasn't summer. She was just moving out right right? Oh
rightioh So anyway, so yes, it was weird. Like Talia said,
(25:10):
it was very weird.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Keith didn't catch that.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
So on top of one of the boxes there was
a printed email to her boyfriend that hinted that there
was trouble in their relationship.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Oh shit.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
So sometime between three fifteen and three point thirty pm,
Marra leaves campus and she hits the road. Before departing Amherst,
she stops at an ATM and she withdraws two hundred
and eighty dollars in cash, which was pretty much all
the money she had security camera footage back in the
two thousands. Yes, security camera footage shows that she was
(25:50):
alone at the ATM. She then stops at a nearby
liquor store and she purchases about forty dollars worth of alcohol,
including Bailey's Irish Cream Kalua vodka in a box of Franzia.
I was gonna says, A lot.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Of stuff it is, but none of them are heavy
hitters except the.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Vodka, all right, Well.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Like I just feel like those are softy things, like
not like like she didn't go get oodles of tequila.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Truer words I've never been spoken, or.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Oodles of vodka I don't know, but yes.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
I mean box of frenzia that could do some damage.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Yeah, and with the event.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Yeah, that's the way you were boozing it up, I
guess in college, I assume.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
But the plethora, like you commented on that she got like.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
For her having a party, right, exactly.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Exactly, good call, good call something. I mean, there's definitely
like an an unhinging seeming to be going on.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Yes, so well again she's captured on surveillance there too,
and she was by herself and she buys all these items.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Does she look okay, does she look.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
She looked all right.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
So at some point in the afternoon, Maraa also picked
up an accident report from the Registry of Motor Vehicles
for her dad's insurance claim that they were going to
have to work on because they were supposed to talk
that evening. If you recall, I do so, around four
point thirty in the afternoon, she starts driving north. She
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checks her voicemail one last time. So the call, this
call like checking her voicemail, was the final recorded use
of her cell phone. And after that Maraa just goes
completely off the grid.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Like no pinging? Did they ping back then? Phones?
Speaker 1 (27:46):
I guess I think they did.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Yeah, but the grid done done.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Now we're in the evening. So it's believed that Maraa
drove north on Interstate ninety one and then east into
New Hampshire, heading toward the White Mountains.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Well then, I guess I was gonna ask you, but
I guess scratch.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
This great, So the sun sets early.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
If she was supposed to go meet her dad, she obviously.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
On the phone they were gonna talk.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Oh, I thought this was going to be in person
about the introance they were going to talk on the phone.
I was gonna say, she's obviously not driving to him.
Got it, Yes, got it?
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Okay, the sun sets early that day.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
I'm so sorry. Oh, I'm so sorry. Now this area
of New Hampshire that you're saying this is one of
the places that she called. No, it's not no, okay.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
She Well, unless this place was in the White Mountains,
I don't freaking know.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Yeah, all right, sun setting.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Sun setting. It's a little bit after seven pm.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
You know.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
I love that dusk time when it's snowy out though,
and it's like that twilight. Look it's not it's not
like a warm sunset. It's like a something else.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
It's like a sad think it has a set.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
I love it. It's just oh it's so peaceful and quiet.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Yeah, sounds nice.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Well, it wasn't nice this night. So Mar's saddurn that
she's driving, spins out of control on a sharp corner
en route one to twelve near the village of Woodsville
in Haverhill, New Hampshire. So around seven thirty a local resident,
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Faith Westman, frantically calls nine to one to one to
report that a car had crashed into a snowbank by
her house.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Don't you find it odd? Which if this is because
of the weather, fine, But like this girl's been in
two car accidents in two days.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Well, I think she's probably frantic about something or or
extremely distracted or something. Yes, yes, So Faith said that
the car was against the snowbank, it was facing the
wrong way on the road after apparently hitting a tree.
So in that initial call, she also reported seeing a
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person in the car, and this is strange. She comments
that the person in the car, she says, it looked
like a man smoking a cigarette in the driver's seat. Now,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
I just got the chills, bad, chillworthy bad.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Now.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Her husband later said that he didn't see a man,
and Faith herself would concede she might have just seen
the glow of a cell phone light, which she mistook
for a cigarette's embers.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
But did the husband say I didn't see a man
smoking a cigarette, I saw a woman. Or did he
say I didn't see that it was a man's smoking.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
I just think he said he didn't see anybody like
what she's staying r Yeah, Okay, So Maraa had worn
her hair up for the night, so I guess from
a distance, she might have looked like she had short hair.
Maybe she didn't obviously appear female at that moment. But
whatever Faith saw, Mara was alive at the crash scene
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around like I said, seven thirty pm. Twenty minutes later,
police arrive, MARAA is no longer there. Nobody ever sees
Mara again.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
You are kidding me. No, that's extremely unsettling.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Is the door left open?
Speaker 1 (31:36):
It's also a little bizarre that the people who called
the police didn't go over to check on the personal.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Or stay or even keep their eyes on the situation
from a distance. Nothing.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
You would have been Your eyes would have been peeled
at that window.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
I would not have.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
No, you wouldn't have gone You would have gone out,
But I would have dared. I would have I mean,
your nose would have been flat up against that glass.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
I wouldn't have gotten that close. I would have been
scaredy what if it was a trap?
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Anyway, So this accident occurs, like I said, along this
dark road route one to twelve.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Would there have been footprints from snow potentially?
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Yeah, we'll get there, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, So this
road had woods on either side of it and there
were rolling a few homes nearby. So maraas Saturn, hits
this tree at a tight right hand turn and spun
to a stop partly in the road, and its front
end was pretty damaged. So hearing the impact faith she
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looks out the window. She sees this car is not
looking good, and within minutes another neighbor, Butch at Wood
he was a school bus driver. Oh, he happened upon
the scene as he was driving home in his school bus.
So he pulls over and he finds maraa alone next
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to the dented car. Because like I said when I said,
nobody ever saw her after, Like, these things are happening simultaneously.
You know, You've got the neighbor looking out the window
calling the police, and now the school bus driver is like,
it's not like this happened an hour after the neighbor.
So this is all happening like in real time together, right, Okay.
So he pulls over. He finds her, like I said,
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standing out, you know, in front of her car. The
temperature was below freezing and Mara was shivering and she
was just in a light coat. So Butch noted that
she did not appear injured. He said, there was no blood,
nothing was broken. She was just cold and a little
bit shaken up. So he offered to help and said
he would call the police from his house. So I
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guess Mara pleaded with him not to call nine one one.
She was already insisting that she had called Triple A
for roadside assistance. But Butch knew that this was unlikely
true because cell reception in the mountain area was virtually nonexistent. Okay, So,
sensing Mara's anxiety, he he wasn't like pressuring her or whatever,
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Like I feel like he didn't want a spooker, right,
He's like, okay, okay, all right, you know stuff something
like that does it. But later he did say that
she seemed upset. He said he was like, I don't
think she was intoxicated, but she did not seem like
she was in a good place.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
It makes me wonder, though, like maybe you'll get to
if all the liquor in her car like looked like
she had begun with any of it. But it makes
me wonder, even if she didn't appear intoxicated to him,
why would you not want to call the police, Like
what why would you have such a strong reaction to that.
I mean, obviously she got into an accident, and she
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had just gotten into an accent. I'm sure I could
just be that, I suppose, but I don't know.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
And little does she know the police have already been called.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
By the other lady, right exactly so.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
But Butch is obviously concerned. So he drives one hundred
yards down the road to his house and he phones
nine to one one by himself. Now, I have heard
reports where he offered for her to come with him,
but she didn't go.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
I know, I know, I'd rather take my chances on
the wild road, not going back to Butchi's Butchy boys,
he was trying to help, know that, yes, and he
was a dear sweet man, it seems, but you never know.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
I agree, I know it's a very you don't know
what to do with that now. So while on the phone,
he could no longer see Marri's car from his house,
but he did notice that several other cars had passed
by on this road before the police arrived. So, whoever
those passing drivers were, none of them have ever come forward.
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So now we're back to faith. Who was the neighbor
lady or that neighbor lady. But the lady in the neighborhood. Yes,
so her call had already been dispatched by the Haverhill
Police sergeant Cecil Smith. I'm sorry, Cecil Smith. So he
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he gets dispatched at seven point thirty. So according to
the official log, Cecil arrives at approximately seven forty five,
so not too long, right, saying take reasonable. But by
that time Maa is gone. So another kind of weird
thing is another local resident driving home again like this
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all happens very quickly. Again around seven thirty seven, she
claims that she saw a police suv already there. I
thought you were gonna say I got the chelse ahead
of that official time that the other cops said he
got there. And she said when she saw the police car,
it was parked nose to nose with Mara's car, but
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nobody was around either vehicle, like.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
In a car jumping battery jumping setup.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Sure, right, right, but just nobody was there. So I
guess this person says, you know, look, I only stopped briefly.
I didn't see anybody. I just continued on my way. Then,
but this person's account completely contradicts the log of the
other you know, policeman.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Then I got the chill set all right, then it's chilworthy, right.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
So whether this was a case of just timing confusion
or whether it was an accurate sighting a like of
a different vehicle, nobody knows. It's just a weird discrepancy.
What is clear, though, is that by the time law
enforcement and ems did reach location, Mara had vanished without
a trace, basically in a span of minutes. It says,
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if she just stepped off the face of the earth
in that short window, leaving her wrecked car behind on
a snowy bank next to the road, she.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Wasn't even dressed like properly for the weather. Based off
of what Butch says, like it makes me very nervous
for her, and just surrounded by woods on each side.
Mm hmm, like it's like a hostile environment for that season.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Yes. So investigators examined the Saturn and the immediate area.
So the car was found locked, Its windshield was cracked
on the driver's side, both airbags had deployed, and the
impact had crumbled the front left headlight and pushed the
engine's radiator into the fan, so the car was not drivable.
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Inside the Saturn, police discovered evidence that Mara had been drinking.
There were red stains that looked and smelled like wine,
including some splashed on the driver's side door and the ceiling,
and an empty beer bottle on the seat.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
She didn't even buy beer at the liquor store, you knows,
Oh that's true.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
And for the wine to be slocked about, like whether
she was driving and drinking or if she pulled over
and was just drinking in the car, It's like, I'm
getting such a vibe vibe of like desperation of like
sucking anything down she can, and that for it to
make like a mess like that, Like she just doesn't
sound like she was in a good state at all.
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I wonder what it was that like rocked her so badly.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
I think we all do.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
I think we're gonna say. I think we all know
it's gonna say, well, I don't.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
So. A damaged cardboard box of Phronsia wine was on
the rear seat behind the driver's seat, and there was
a coke bottle that had contained a reddish liquid with
a strong alcoholic odor, and that was also in the
back seat. I guess. So it appeared that Mara might
have mixed a cocktail for the road, I guess. Along
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with these, several personal items were found, so Maraa's triple
A card, the blank accident report that she picked up
that she was going to go over with her dad
later maps slash directions to you know, Burlington, Vermont. There
were a pair of gloves, There were CDs, make up,
a diamond jewelry piece, and I guess Mara's favorite stuffed animal. Ah.
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There was also a book titled Not Without Peril about
mountain adventures in the White Mountains, and that was found
in the car as well. So but strangely, there were
some crucial items missing. For example, Maraa's debit card was
not there, or any of her credit cards nor her
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cell phone could be found, and in the time since
none of them have ever been used again. So Mara's
keys were gone too, and presumably you know, with her.
Police later noted that some kind of the alcohol that
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she brought, like certain bottles of liquor, were not in
the car either anymore, implying that she may have taken
them with her when she left the scene.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
That just is Ah, I don't know, like I guess,
if she's not in a great frame of mind, she's
already been drinking. We don't know how intoxicated she was.
It's odd to me that you would think, like, I'm assuming, well,
really where was she going to go?
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Though?
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Because she wasn't like familiar with the area. I was
gonna say, are you all right? I was going to
say that she must have been trying to get to
such and such, but there really was no such and such,
like she didn't know what was going on and what
was around there. But that you're thinking, you know, the
phone and the cards make sense to bring with you,
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but to not just leave the alcohol there is just well, yeah,
odd to me, Like you felt the need to take
those and mm hmm, like how much could you possibly consume?
You obviously I would think intend to go back to
get this damaged cart at some point. Why wouldn't you
just leave the alcohol there? No, just that's odd to me.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
So another odd discovery was that a dishtowel or a
rag had been stuffed into the Saturn's tailpipe. Mar's father
would later explain that he had instructed her to put
a rag in there to quite a noisy exhaust issue.
And I guess this is what the Saturn had happening
but that I'm not a car person, but that doesn't sound.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Right safe at all. Yikes.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
So nonetheless, there responding officers, you know, found that this
was pretty strange, and they were wondering if it was
an attempt to sabotage the car or a sign of
somebody else's involvement. At the crash site itself, there were
no footprints visible in the fresh snow heading into the woods,
and there were no obvious drops of blood or signs
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of a struggle on the road. The only confirmed sighting
of mar that evening were by the two neighbor people,
the Westmins, and by Butch So. In total, Maraa had
about seven to ten minutes after the bus driver drove
back to his house to either hide or to escape
before police arrived, and in that brief span she managed
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to just completely vanish investigators and locals. They poured over this, like,
they call it the critical seven minute window, and they
keep trying to imagine how a young woman could just
disappear so quickly on this rural road. God, I hate
when they describe a road like that, rural road without
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footprints or whatever.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
So they did consider several scenarios. But it's like, so
the first one, if Maraa had simply just run into
the woods to avoid the police because maybe she was
scared she was going to get a dui or whatever,
you know, it seems that she would have been pretty
easy to track. But there was about a foot and
a half of snow on the ground with hard crust
on top, as one noted, so like maybe she didn't
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leave footprints, but that.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
Snow that you have to break through as you're walking, so.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
There would be the holes. Like that's what I'm saying.
So if if it was really a hard crust, I guess,
depending on how heavi she was, she could have. But
the oh as if she walked across right right, But
the searchers were saying, like, I don't think that that's
really possible. He said, if you or I were to
walk off this road and into the snow, we would
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very easily sink into it. So but like I said,
there were no footprints found leading into the forest. So
and the snow hadn't melted or been obscured by new
snowfall in that time, like it wasn't snowing at that point.
So they concluded that Mara did not run off into
the wilderness, at least not within the immediate vicinity of
the crash, Like maybe she got onto the road and
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then ran off somewhere else. So they did use tracking dogs.
A tracking dog later picks up Maras scent from one
of the gloves, and it followed it east along the
road for about one hundred yards, then abruptly just loses
the trail.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
So if a car picked her up, right, so, then
she didn't go into the woods and she actually but
then how did nobody see her?
Speaker 1 (45:14):
I guess it's possible, so, you know, like you said,
for the scent to just stop like that, it obviously
suggests that she got into a vehicle. We don't know
if it was willingly or not, but that she got
into a vehicle and left the scene. I didn't think
of that, And Butch did say the cars were passing
exactly precisely. So if she was out on the road
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walking and shivering and probably holding herself, you know, because
of how cold she was, I mean, she would probably
whether it was a good Samaritan or not, she probably
seemed like somebody who needed help right well.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
And that also then scares me though, how you said
of those cars who passed that he saw and how
no one came forward. As ever, seeing her makes me
worry that one of them did get her and then
things did not go well.
Speaker 3 (45:58):
Right.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
So, despite the lack of immediate clues, one possible sighting
of Marara trickled in much later. A contractor driving home
that night between eight and eight thirty, so an hour
basically after she or after the police were called, claimed
that about four to five miles east of the crash site.
He said he saw a young person moving quickly on
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foot a long Route one twelve. She was headed eastbound.
He noticed the person was wearing jeans, a dark coat,
and a light colored hood, and this is a tire
that could have matched what Marara had on. However, the
witness did not report what he saw at that time.
He told people three months later, oh my gosh, after
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reviewing his work logs and the news of Mara's case,
he realized that this happened like the same night she disappeared,
around the same time, around the same road, right, So
I guess let's not be too hard on the right
A contractor.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
Man, he didn't connect it. It makes sense, you don't,
you know? You're seeing something that's right, not good.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
Right, So if that was her, it means that she
somehow covered several miles on foot, or maybe she did
hitchhike a little bit, but without any corroboration, and considering
how swiftly the official search team started the sighting is
pretty it's I mean, it still remains unconfirmed whether it
was her at all, So it's just another like weird
thing to add to the mystery surrounding this. So this
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will shock you. Law enforcement's handling of the case in
the first forty eight hours has been a subject of
a lot.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
Of scrutiny, horrendous right.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
So when Haverhill police traced the abandoned car tomorrow Murray,
they initially treated her disappearance as a missing person case
with a possible voluntary ankle.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
Absolutely, sometimes people just want to lead.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
She wanted to start again.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
With her koluwa. It's not funny, No, it isn't funny.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
So in other words, they entertained the idea that Maura
just ran off on purpose, she just wanted to disappear.
This early theory arose because the of the weird steps
that Mara had taken that day, like calling all those.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
Different places and travel plans and stuff. Yeah, but I'm
not thinking she wanted to start again. I'm thinking she
wanted to go on a trip. And I the vibe
I have is that she was trying to get away
from something for sure, not like someone was scaring or
she wanted to flee, but like something, you know, was
brought to her attention that was awful. If like you
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had mentioned, there was trouble with her and Billy Bill,
if something distasteful was brought to her attention, maybe it's
like I got to get the hell out of here.
I need a break, I need to get away, I
need to change of scenery, not starting again, especially at
her age, especially in the middle of the school year
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in college. Like, I don't know about this.
Speaker 1 (48:57):
So later in the week, investigators publicly stated that they
believed Maraa did leave amherst intending not to return, you know,
basically because of the stuff that they found in the
dorm room and how it was kind of taken down
and whatever. And they said that maybe she accepted a
ride from somebody after the crash and then she just
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continued on her way from there. In a press release
about a month later, authority said that they had found
no evidence of a crime, and they even dismissed speculation
of any serial killer that might have been involved. So
to them, at least early on, it seemed Mara's case
was that of a basically despondent or determined young woman
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who chose to vanish on her own. Yeah, so with
that mindset, the urgency and scope of the initial search
probably wasn't what it should have been.
Speaker 2 (49:52):
Slipped through the crep right.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
I feel like we should always think of that as
the last resort, and people think of it as the first.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
It's so awful.
Speaker 1 (50:02):
So on the night of February ninth, after finding the
car officers and the canine unit, they do a brief
search of the immediate area. A state trooper and the
bus driver Butch they drive up and down the local
roads search for Maura. No avail. There was no organized
ground search that was even conducted that night. The next morning,
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the police issued a BOLO which is be on the
lookout Fascinating for Marra, and finally labeled her as officially
missing around noon, twenty four hours after she was last seen.
New Hampshire Fish and Game officials were briefed and told
that if Mara hadn't turned up by the following day,
they would initiate a search. So Mara's father, Fred, he
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hadn't even been notified yet. A message about her car
being found was left on his home answering machine Tuesday afternoon,
but Fred was out of state for work. It wasn't
until one of Mara's sisters reached him in the evening
of the tenth that he learned his daughter was missing.
So of course Fred races to New Hampshire overnight. So
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by Wednesday now, which is thirty six hours after the crash,
a full scale search finally ramps up because now somebody's
actually there, who's like pressing them right with.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
This huge chunk of time that's gone by, with I'm
sure priceless clues that would have been so helpful.
Speaker 1 (51:32):
So State troopers, fish and game personnel, tracking dogs, helicopters
with thermal imaging. They were all deployed on February eleventh
in a coordinated effort. A tracking dog was given Mara's
glove and confirmed what the initial little canine helper had said.
The dog followed the scent along the road about one
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hundred yards and then just stopped cold, indicating that she
likely got into a vehicle at that point or beam up,
you know, after we heard about your Pascaloosa, the Fellows, Patagonia.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
Thing, Patagonia. Anything is possible.
Speaker 1 (52:11):
Of course, No footprints, no straps of clothing, no clues
were found in the snow or the surrounding wilderness. So
by nightfall on February eleventh, authorities were publicly leaning towards
the theory that Mara had either run off to avoid
trouble or perhaps harmed herself in the woods. By nightfall
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on February eleventh, authorities were publicly leaning towards the theory
that Mara had either run off to avoid trouble or
maybe she just harmed herself in the woods, despite her
family's strong belief that there was something else to blame.
So in hindsight, there were some missed opportunities and some
questionable decisions made during that early response. So critics noted
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that the police did not immediately treat Mara's car as
a potential crime scene.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
Why why would they, especially not knowing nobody saw her
leave it, Nobody saw It's just it's it's absolutely inexcusable, inexcusable.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
To me, so the Saturn was towed from the accident
the night that night of February ninth, but instead of
being impounded at a secure facility, it was taken to
the private home of a towing company operator and left
in his garage for several days. So this means that
any forensic evidence on or in the car could have
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been compromised or delayed. So her father, arriving that week,
was surprised to discover that the car was stored in
this tow guys a personal garage and could not believe
that he was only seeing it for himself that Friday. Additionally,
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when a nearby house just down the road from the
crash was searched because I guess they were searching nearby homes,
days later, there was a suspicious looking trail in the snow,
like pulling a body. Well, I don't know, but it
was suspicious. The items taken for testing because they took
some carpet samples and stuff. Those items that they took
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they sat untested for an extended period. Why, according to
one account, certain DNA evidence that was in the house
hold on to your nips was not analyzed for two years.
What right, which was a very frustrating for the Murray family.
Speaker 2 (54:45):
Yeah, it's so shameful. It is.
Speaker 1 (54:47):
I don't even understand. I just don't get it. I
don't get it, but I never will.
Speaker 2 (54:52):
No, And the frequency that we hear details like that,
this and stories just makes me sick, these poor families.
Speaker 1 (55:03):
So from the start of this, her dad felt that
there was a strong possibility of foul play, and that
this strong possibility was not taken seriously at all. He
had pointed out that authorities seemed more inclined to write
Mara off as an irresponsible runaway or just some suicidal
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girl than to lock down the area and interview neighbors
aggressively in those first crucial hours. Well that's correct, sir.
Speaker 2 (55:31):
Oh yeah, I agree with him completely.
Speaker 1 (55:33):
So on that depressing note, I noticed that we have
hit about an hour and we've still got pretty much
to talk about. Right, So what I think will do
is make this a two parter, and when we reconvene,
we will talk about the theories, the speculations, and the
(55:54):
aftermath of what happened that night.
Speaker 2 (55:57):
Sounds I was gonna say, awful, sounds off awesome.
Speaker 1 (56:03):
Well if you say so, alright with you? All right?
So everybody. On that note, we look forward to seeing
you again.
Speaker 2 (56:13):
We always do.
Speaker 1 (56:14):
There you go, and until then, Stacy and stay chill.
Speaker 2 (56:19):
Bye everybody.
Speaker 1 (56:21):
Thank you all you've just listened to Chilworthy. Thank you
for joining us on this latest episode. While we strive
to keep our discussions engaging and lighthearted, we also wanted
to take a moment to acknowledge the real lives and
events that are at the heart of these stories.
Speaker 2 (56:43):
We try to approach each topic with a sense of
curiosity and respect fully aware of the impact these events
have had on the individuals and their loved ones. Our
goal is to honor their memories by keeping their stories
alive and shedding light on the mysteries that surround them.
Speaker 1 (56:59):
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