Vanished Without a Trace: The David Glenn Lewis and Bryce Laspisa Mysteries; WITH A TRIAL BY PODCAST

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
A podcast we're two best friends discuss mysteries, murders, and
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Speaker 1 (00:16):
So if you're ready to hear some chilling and unsettling cases,
you're in the right place, happy listening. Hello, Hello, everybody,
Welcome back to another episode of Chillworthy with Brent and Talia.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Hi, everybody.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Today's episode is a very special episode because we have
two fantastic guests with us, Emily and Kelsey from another
podcast called a Trial by Podcast. So if you would
please say hello to the Chillers.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
Hello Chillers, Hey.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
Thank you very much. So we are both going to
be sharing some stories and just doing a fun little collab,
so I hope everybody enjoys it.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
I'm going to enjoy it all right.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
So for our case, what we're going to do is
I'm going to tell the story of events and then
Talia is going to go over a little of the
like aftermath, slash theories.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Thank you theories.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
Love it okay, So and feel free to jump in
anytime you both want with literally anything, because she does
that all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yeah literally, don't worry.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
We are great at interrupting, so we'll be here. You
sorry in advance, I'm used to it, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
So this is going to be the case of David
Glenn Lewis so which I'll just call him David from
now on. But so, David was born on December eleventh,
nineteen fifty three, in Texas. Parents were William and Esther.
He graduated magna cumlada from Texas Tech University in nineteen

(02:07):
seventy five, and he graduated with a political science degree
and then went on to obtain a juris doctorate degree
from the same university in nineteen seventy nine. So David
married a woman named Karen Garrett in nineteen eighty two,
and then the couple had their one and only child,
which was a daughter named Lauren a year later. So

(02:31):
just a very brief description of David. He was described
by friends and family as being the kind of person
who enjoyed helping others. And David was very active in
several charitable organizations as well as his local church. So
that is the background on where we are going to
start the story.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
It's always the very involved, yeah, involved in the community,
you know, like strong in the church community.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
It's always the sadus stories.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
We were just saying that with our last podcast. It's like,
as Talia says over and over, nobody deserves to be murdered.
And I do agree with that. But when it's like
a particularly well round one individual, right wholesome person giving
back to the community, it does you know, it's just
breaks your heart, even Lord tragic.

Speaker 4 (03:18):
Yeah, it's a little harder. Yeah, absolutely so.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
January twenty eighth, nineteen ninety three, see.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
Ninety three, like hocus Pocus, thor Birch. That's how she
says it. Absolutely yes, whenever there's anything mentioned with like
anything three, I do that.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Nineteen ninety I told her, I told her I would
give her one of those.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
For this DA.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
I was warned, I love it.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
I want a second one. I want one more before
we finish. Can arrange it. I agree. I feel like
you'll find the perfect moment when we tell our story
that she's off the rails for.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
I said. I said to her when we were getting
ready for this, I was like, so, you know, I said,
I feel like a trial by podcast audience is going
to think one of two things. Either, you know, oh,
like what a charming new duo you've brought onto the
show for a guest spot or who the hell are
these two idiots?

Speaker 3 (04:18):
No? No, but that's what our audience loves. Like. I
feel like that's what our listeners think of us. They're like,
who the hell are these two idiots? Sorry mikes, but
I don't think that I love you guys are That's that.

Speaker 5 (04:32):
Should be our one of our new March slogans two
idiots with a mic, two microphones.

Speaker 4 (04:41):
No, I think they're gonna love you guys.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
I hope, I hope. So, yeah, you guys have good vibes. Well,
thank you?

Speaker 3 (04:47):
So do you? I do they do? Yes? Okay.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
So January twenty eighth, nineteen ninety three, So David served
as a county judge, and he did this from nineteen
eighty six to nineteen ninety and some of the things
like he covered cases that were misdemeanors, civil cases, probate matters,
and juvenile cases. But in nineteen ninety he lost his

(05:13):
reelection bid so he went back to practicing law as
an attorney instead.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
Of being a judge.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
So now we are on the day of January twenty eighth,
nineteen ninety three. So David leaves work that day mid day,
saying that he felt ill, and he decided to go
home early, but that evening, despite feeling unwell, he still
went to teach his government class at Amarillo College until

(05:41):
ten pm that night. This is one of the last
confirmed times that authorities think that they had a good
grasp on where David was. So now the next day,
January twenty ninth, this is a Friday, David's wife and
their daughter they depart for the like a week and
shopping trip, and they're going to be doing this in Dallas.

(06:03):
So they leave that morning, and I guess they don't
really have any interaction with David that morning, Like they
get up early and they.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
Leave, and no cell phones at that time, so it's
not like, you know, like I feel like normally you'd
be like checking in and what are you up to,
how's it going?

Speaker 3 (06:18):
You know, I do, and none of that. None of that, right,
I can't imagine because if my family doesn't text me
back in like two hours, I assume I'm like they're dead.
Something happened. Yes, always, I want to do a lot there.
Cell Phones were made for anxious people like I can't
imagine living without a cell phone.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
I would never have survived in the fifties.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
Well, I keep thinking about like GPS. I ever, I
wouldn't build my house even with GPS. I feel like
I still go.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
The wrong way. Me and Emily were following a GPS
one and she told me to turn left, and I
turned left. I was going the wrong way down a
one way street. That's how so imagine us without GPS.

Speaker 5 (06:59):
But the funniest part of that was that I said, Okay,
my bad, and then I tell you to turn another
right down, Sorry, go.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
This way another one. I did it like we.

Speaker 4 (07:12):
We went the right way once and then we went
the wrong way again.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
We can't be helped, no, I know, because you put
your faith in them regardless.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
I've just accepted it.

Speaker 5 (07:21):
We accept each other's flaws, and we just so happened
to have the same one in its directions.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
That's beautiful, you know.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
Okay, So anyway, David, he had he was not going
on this shopping trip right. He planned to stay home
because from what my research told me, there was a
big sports ball event happening called the Super Bowl. Oh
heard of it?

Speaker 3 (07:53):
Yeah? I am mildly aware of it. Yes, I remember
seeing the alex Earl commercials for it. That's it.

Speaker 4 (08:00):
That's all I remember.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
I have heard that a lot of people do care
about this though, yeah, one of them, but I know
that they're out.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yeah, yes, just a handful.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
So this was Super Bowl twenty seven, which was happening
on Sunday, which would be the day after this. So
during this day David is I guess, just hanging around
the house. I mean, there's not much. There's not much
said in terms of like with the police being able
to track his movements at this time. But on January thirtieth,

(08:38):
which is now Saturday, in the morning, a neighbor in
David's hometown says that they remember seeing David's Red Explorer
parked in the driveway and sometime during this day of
the thirtieth of January, this is when police believed that
this was the official last time David was ever seen.
So now January thirty first first rolls around, which is

(09:01):
the day of the Super Bowl, and that morning a
Potter County Sheriff's deputy noticed that David's Red Explorer was
parked outside of the courthouse in which you worked in Amarillo,
and he had noted that a man matching David's description
was seen across the street photographing this vehicle. I'm not

(09:25):
sure why, but he was. So that evening, around eleven
fifteen PM, Karen and her daughter come home to sort
of like some odd circumstances. So the first thing they
notice is that David is nowhere to be found. But
some of the circumstances were that the VCR was still

(09:45):
recording the Super Bowl game, so I guess it had
been set to record from the kickoff, which is something
that happens in football.

Speaker 4 (09:54):
And that before and I think they kicked the ball.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
Listen, I just want my demographic people to know this.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
List You're right, we gotta go step side.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Yes, I I'm trying to be very cognizant and mindful
of everyone.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
We appreciate that. Well, you're welcome. I'm sure they appreciate
it too.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
In the kitchen, another strange thing that they saw was
that there were two what appeared to be freshly made
turkey sandwiches in the refrigerator, and and David's wedding ring
and his watch were just left out on the counter.
There was also laundry that had been partially done, and

(10:36):
the clothes were still left in the washer and dryer,
but nothing in the house was like disturbed or missing
in terms of like right, like a robbery, or like weird,
weird things happening. It was there were weird things, but
not things that were weird in a way of somebody
might have come into yeah, like.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
Out of place, or yes, it's almost like he just
vanished into thin air.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
Yes, oh yeah, So now for my research. At first,
even though I just described all those things, Karen thinks
that there's nothing wrong. I'm chalking them up to the nineties,
you know. Yes, so Karen says, well, maybe he went
and watched the rest of the game with a friend,
or he returned to the office. So she didn't panic,

(11:24):
and she didn't call anybody even.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
No either, he didn't even know. I don't know about that.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
But I I honestly, I'm trying to like put myself
in her shoes. I'm like, if I just came home
and it's like his watch, his rings there, but like
everything seems normal, be like, huh, that's weird. Like I
wonder where he went, But I wouldn't be concerned at
this point like that something happened to him. I feel
like I just be like, that's weird. Why would he
leave these things? Home, but liked you just forget him
on the counter.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
Yeah, I left the sandwiches, sandwiches, I get hungry.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
Yeah, well me too, so but yeah, I mean, and
I agree, I mean as I wouldn't necessarily be calling
the police. But it is weird, yes, for sure. So
now we get to Monday. So David now he's failed
to show up for multiple work appointments, which is very
unlike him, and Karen finds out about this, and she
has grown now concerned, and now she has reported him

(12:25):
to the Amarillo Police. So that same day, an Amarillo
officer searching downtown discovered David's Explorer and a guess, once again,
it's parked out in front of the Potter County Courts building,
which is the same spot that they saw it over
the weekend. But if you remember, the car did apparently
move back to the house because the neighbors saw it

(12:47):
the next day, so at that point the car had
still been it wasn't just stationary.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
Bloating around, right, Interesting.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
So they check inside the suv and the police find
David's checkbook, his driver's license, to gas, credit cards, and
just like normal items that he would customarily keep in
the car, and the keys to the truck and to
the house were hidden under the floor mat.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
Was the very nineties thing to do.

Speaker 5 (13:20):
Yeah, I guess my grandpa used to keep all his
keys in his cars, and I said, Grandpa, somebody's going
to take your cars.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
Wolzer wasn't the visor thing.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
The visor my only advice for people. My car got
stolen last year.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
It was a lot.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
It was because it was a Kia and there was
like a security issue with kias. I'm part of a
class action. But my advice to anyone leaving their keys
in their cars, make sure you have gap insurance because
your car gets stolen.

Speaker 4 (13:52):
It's really expensive.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
Oh my, get that gap insurance, guys, it's worth the
extra twenty bucks a month.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
Well, Italian and I both had our cars broken into
ones And what did you say?

Speaker 2 (14:04):
Oh my, I was just thinking of that. So I
said to him, this was years ago, and I got
in my car one morning to go to work and like,
it just didn't feel quite right. And my car is
no longer like this, but years ago just a mess,
like there was shit everywhere, and I just it was
the catch all for everything and anything.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
So a girl car.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
Sounds like my car sounds like my car, and I thought,
I felt like whoever and someone had clearly been in
and they were looking around for something and didn't find
anything of value to them. And I said to him,
I feel like they got in and thought this is
a disaster. I mean, have time to look for anything,
like I'm out.

Speaker 6 (14:45):
And they just called it, they said, cars just a
security tactic. I'm never cleaning my car out again. I
love it because I.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
And I do remember once I was, I tell you,
we have got to just clean out at least the trunk.
And when I met her, I was like a flea
market in the fat not necessarily antiques, but more like
dollar store items over the years, collectibles.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
Yet I love it all right now.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
So now we're on February second, and the investigation into
David's disappearance picks up more momentum in Texas, and so
the police, I guess, took David's car and processed it
and again going through it one more time, they still
noted nothing suspicious, like there wasn't, you know, like blood

(15:42):
or any anything like that. So the police had a
high profile missing person's case on their hands, because I mean,
he was a former judge. Oh yeah, so you know
that's could have been after right, That's what they are
dealing with. And David's family and friends began a frantic
search and they started doing like media appeals for the

(16:03):
missing attorney slash former judge, and they were just in
full swing looking for him. So now this is a
bit of a weird case to try to to try
to tell chronologically. So that is what was going on,
but now simultaneously there were other things going on, which
I will now fill in the gaps for you. Okay,
I did my best to do this good. So on

(16:27):
the day that they think one of the last days
David was seen, after I guess doing some investigating, it
was reported by a I guess an acquaintance slash friend
of David's, that they had seen David running through the
Amarillo airport. Which what are they doing just hanging out there?

(16:49):
I don't know, but they said they saw him running
through the airport. I want to say, the day after
the wife and daughter left for their shopping trip. And
although it couldn't be one hundred percent verified, David had
a very distinctive pair of glasses, but like, I don't know,
they were just really big, like seventies.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
He had experienced issues like.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
The huge glasses. So there was big ones. Yeah, sir
magoo the coke bottle. Yeah, like they give you like
the bubble out eyes.

Speaker 4 (17:21):
Okay, I can picture it.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
Yeah, I was just like I almost want to say,
serial killer esque glasses.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Serial killer glasses are like the aviator non sunglass aviators.

Speaker 4 (17:33):
Though, yeah, je every Dahmer glass.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
Yeah, that's where my Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
Well, for any listeners, you can feel free to type
his name in Google because he does have his picture
there with his glasses on. So, like I said, one
of the neighbors, which I believe, on that Friday, saw
him running through the airport. Also though, on January thirtieth,
which was the Saturday, after looking again looking into the case,
somebody mysteriously deposited five thousand dollars into David and his

(18:04):
wife's joint bank account, but investigators could not determine who
made this deposit, and no direct link to David could
ever be confirmed. I don't even know how that's possible,
but maybe in the nineties it wasn't.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Didn't you have to go in person to make a
deposit In the nineties, there was no mobile anything.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
Yeah, but maybe there were just no cameras, so like
they can't they couldn't say for sure it was David
and not somebody else. But but in my mind it
has to be him because if someone killed him over something,
why would they give five thousand dollars to his account?
You know, right, it seems counterproductive.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
Maybe maybe No, you're right, that definitely doesn't make sense.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
So now February first, again, this is stuff that's filling
in the blanks. Karen had later admitted that David had
told her a few weeks before this was all going
on on that he thought that he might be in
danger because of a high profile case that he was
going to be involved in.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Which don't you find it odd though, that nobody else
said that, Like if that were the case, I would
think he would say to not just his wife, like
maybe colleagues or no.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
Yes, no, I agree, Like you would think people at
work would know at least which case he's referring to, Like, yeah,
this one's a little bit sketchy, like these people are
people are a little bit.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
Scary, right, Hey.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
I think it was just convenient for Karen to say
I don't get a good vibe from Karen from the start.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
But Talian never gets a good vibe from anyone.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
Yeah, this spouse is always like I have one eyebrow
up at the spouse.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
And I guess the detective who was running the case
did not get on with her very great because she
refused to take a polygraph exactly.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
That's my other good for her though. I wouldn't take
a polygraph either. But back in the they didn't have
true crime and stuff, so you didn't know, like people
didn't know that much about polygraphs and how they're used
against you and those sorts of things. So it is
a little bit sketch like at that time that she
wouldn't want to take it.

Speaker 5 (20:13):
Yeah, I also feel like they've relied a lot heavier
on polygraphs back in the day.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
Yeah, you know, well they used to do like truth
zerum and everything like that's yes, I love it, dude.
Let's get a little truth serum. Do you episode truth Zerum?

Speaker 1 (20:32):
Okay, so now we're still we're still on February first. Okay,
so February first. A taxi driver. This is where it
starts to get really far out there. A taxi driver
in Dallas, which is three hundred and sixty miles away.
Keep in mind, he came forward to say that on

(20:53):
February first, he had picked up a nervous man resembling
David from a hotel and had driven him to the
Dallas Fort Worth International Airport and David, well, I shouldn't
say the nervous man will call him because of course
this wasn't verified either, but the fare was paid in cash,

(21:17):
and the taxi driver said that the man who paid
took out a wad of one hundred dollars bills to
do so, which could kind of be consistent with the
fact that David just got a five thousand dollars deposit
in his bank account, so maybe he had cash on hand.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
Sorry, Miah, So what happened now after this five thousand
dollars deposit? Was there a withdrawal or.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
Maybe he had six thousand and deposited five thousand of
it and kept like the other the rest in cash.
Either way, good for this nervous man. I've never had
wads of hundreds to me in my pocket either. My
anxiety could never I'm like, somebody's gonna know, Yeah, that
would make me nervous to have lots of hundreds in
my body.

Speaker 4 (22:04):
I'd be like I might go missing.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
But anyway, like I said, at the end of the day,
they could not confirm that this was actually David, but
the guy really thought he matched the description. This taxi
driver man forward.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
Too like hees absolutely still said something yes, I agree.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
So on the night of February first, an even stranger
development occurred. Not three hundred and sixty miles away, but
let's try sixteen hundred miles away. So around ten thirty
on February first, a motorist driving down a highway in Moxie, Washington,

(22:47):
like Washington State, spotted what looked to be a disoriented
man walking in the roadway of State Route twenty four.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
What we're gonna say, Kelsey, and I'm sorry, he's from Texas, right, yes, okay,
So we're thinking maybe he that's where he was running
to the airport.

Speaker 4 (23:06):
Maybe he flew to Washington.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
Right right, okay, okay. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
So when these people saw this random man in Washington
State like looking very uneasy walking down the highway, they
were concerned. So they decided that they were going to
turn around to warn other drivers about this man just
kind of standing in the road. Unfortunately, by the time
they returned, the man had been struck by a vehicle

(23:32):
and which actually resulted in a hit and run because
he died and the vehicle never stopped. So, like I said,
the victim died at the scene. He carried no identification
and he was purely listed as an unidentified John Doe
by the authorities in Washington State.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
That is so sad. Yeah, but he was just standing
in the middle of the.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
Road looking very like what would you say, yes, disoriented?
Thank you surely?

Speaker 4 (24:03):
Yeah, Oh that's so sad.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
Yeah, that's I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
If I could just think, you know, I have been
broken down on the side of the road many times,
and on a highway specifically. It is so like scary
to me how your car will like rock from like
the tractor trailers.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
Oh yeah, how.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
Like windy and just it's such an overwhelming place to
be and if you're like not even able to think straight,
and like if he was lost or whatever was happening,
I just can't imagine how terrifying that must have been,
Like just what.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
A and the fact that someone the fact that someone
hit him and then just drove away, And I mean
I cannot obviously, like there are accidents that are genuine
accidents and especially if someone's just standing on the highway.
I'm sure that's horrific. If you're that driver and you
do that, you your life has changed forever. But to

(24:55):
just not stop, I just can't even How could you
do that? Like the anxiety would overwhelmed me. I yeah,
it's crazy. It's terrific too. You should always stop.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
A few days ago, well maybe not, maybe two weeks ago,
I was driving home. I just hit a pothole, and
my anxiety convinced me I hit something else, maybe a person,
maybe an animal, And I decided I was turning around
two blocks later to make sure that nothing had happened.
And nothing had happened.

Speaker 4 (25:27):
I've been there, I've been there.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
I don't like it. I don't like it.

Speaker 5 (25:31):
For the wrap around though you said, I don't know.
It gave me a funny feeling. So I'm gonna go
check it.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
Out because I was. I'm not sleeping tonight, I know it.

Speaker 4 (25:38):
Yeah, So yeah, good for you.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
So now we are February second in Washington. So the
man that was killed in Washington, he's now in the morgue.
I'm watching my cat doesn't put her tail directly on
my straw. He loves to do that, or God forbid,
even higher up on the tail, if you know what
I'm saying. Anyway, But now she's settled, so good. So

(26:04):
the autopsy of this John Doe determined that he died
from traumatic injuries consistent with a high impact vehicle collision.
So all right, that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yeah, but like no other like, it's not like he
was injured before or had been beaten or even dabbed,
or there was like blood loss going on and then
that happened.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
Hypothermia. That's always a true a very fun one for
most of these cases. But we don't know what the
weather was there, but I'm sure it was freaking cold
February second in Washington anyway, So there was no evidence of,
as Talia just said, a gunshot or stabbing wounds. Toxicology
tests found that there was no alcohol or any kind

(26:50):
of drugs in his system, so this indicated that the
man was sober and likely on foot by choice or
necessity when he was struck, and police had noted that
the stretch of road where he was hit was dark
and that the shoulders were not well defined, meaning that
a pedestrian could easily be accidentally clipped by a car.

(27:12):
Witnesses reported seeing a light covered Chevrolet Camaro speeding away
from the area around the time of the incident, but
investigators were never able to locate the vehicle or the driver,
and nobody ever came forward saying that they hit a pedestrian.
And as I said, the body had no idea on it.
So they were kind of stuck with just this concept

(27:32):
that this was just unfortunately an unknown man. He was
dressed in camouflage patterned I guess pants and a military
style jacket with work boots, so I guess he was
paired for something one could imagine.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Well, and I'll get to this when I go to
talk about the theories, but that was like something that
stood out that he didn't own clothes like that, Like
that was not a normal way that he dressed.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
Right, I can't pay I don't picture an attorney just
like in front camph and we're yeah, interesting, right.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
And the wife did say that she did not believe
that David owned such items. So but anyway, the John
Doe did not match any missing persons in the national database.
So now those are the two simultaneous stories that are happening.
I think we obviously know that there's going to be
a connection between these two stories.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
I have a feeling I might know what it is,
right exactly.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
I think you two have been doing this long enough,
just as we have to know that you know this
isn't two separate cases. I'm talking about so now in
between nineteen ninety three and two thousand and three, so
in the next decade, this is what basically happens. So
in the weeks and months following David's disappearance, investigators were
tracking all of those weird clues that I told you

(28:48):
about before, like the money being deposited and stuff like that.
They also discovered that two airline tickets had been purchased
under David's name around the time he vanished. But these
tickets didn't really make a lot of sense either, because
one ticket was for a flight on January thirty first
from Dallas to Amarillo, and the other one was February

(29:12):
first from Los Angeles to Dallas. So not I mean,
it would kind of makes sense if the second one
was from Dallas to Los Angeles where the taximan thought
he he saw this nervous man with the wad of
one hundred dollars bills, But it was the opposite direction
like it was coming.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
So there's no way he could have taken both flights
because they didn't.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
Line up right, I don't think so. All the taximan
was taking David to the airport in Dallas, not from
the airport, oh the you know, so so yeah, just
a lot of And the thing is, this was I
want this was what eight years before nine to eleven,
so like air travel was basically like just hailing a

(29:56):
taxi at that point, you know, you were doing all
this stuff that you're doing now. So by mid nineteen
ninety three, despite nationwide bulletins, all the leads had dried
up and David's case eventually goes cold. So then in
two thousand and two and Marilla authorities officially suspend their
active investigation, believing that there was no evidence of foul

(30:18):
play and suspecting that David might have just like pieced
out on his own. So now we are in October
of two thousand and four, eleven years after David disappears.
There is a crucial breakthrough that happens a detective by
the name of Pat Dinner.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
Stop tell ya stop the poor man children, the Dinner children,
Uncle Dinners, Dude, do you kidd Uncle Dinner, Judy's Boy,
mister Dinner. Oh no, oh oh.

Speaker 7 (30:56):
Oh that's rough. I'm sorry, tell me more about day.
So the detective he revisits, he was like just revisiting
some cold cases because he, I guess he had seen
like a few series on missing persons and he thought like,
let's try some non traditional methods to identify some people.

(31:20):
So back in this time's period, they actually referred to
Google as a popular It was like a popular search,
I think popular Internet search, yeah or something like not,
Like he just decided to Google it like it was
big deal, right, Like he was thinking out of the box.
So anyway, he starts looking this stuff up and within

(31:42):
a week, the detective had compiled a short list of
possible matches for the John Doe that was found in Washington,
and one of these possible matches was, in fact, David
Glenn Lewis. So what caught the detective's attention though, was

(32:02):
because the photograph that the detective saw was that the
John Doe as well as David both had very distinctive
brown tinted aviator style glasses. And he knew that these.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
Glasses I guess they had been kept by the Washington
Police from the hidden run. So I guess he just
had this feeling and went, you know, went with his
gut and saw that when they sent a picture of
the glasses again, they perfectly matched the style. And then

(32:38):
they actually got ahold of the glasses and saw that
they were also his very unique prescription. So this was
the first definitive sign that this man might be David Lewis.
But to be certain, Detective Ditter arranged for a DNA comparison.
So they actually took a tissue sample from the John
Doe which they had kept since nineteen ninety five three,

(33:01):
and also asked David's mother for a sample of her DNA,
and the DNA came back with a ninety nine point
one percent certainty that they were related.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
So and this is eleven years later, Yep. That is
just horrific to know that for eleven years this family
had no idea what happened to him. Just he's his
wedding ring and his watch are just on the counter,
and the whole time, you know, they knew what happened,
like somebody else knew what happened to him.

Speaker 4 (33:36):
You know, that's heartbreaking.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
I can't imagine right, because it all happened within like
a three day time span, but you know, their knowledge
of it was eleven years. So to wrap up my section, basically,
the Lewis family was notified, and by being notified, obviously
it brought an end to their I guess continued wonderings

(33:58):
and gave them a little bit of closure. So David's remains,
which were originally buried in Yakima, Washington, were now transferred
back to Texas so that, you know, he could be
buried close to where he lived with his family. So
now you know, we have the fact that the identification

(34:18):
of John Doe is actually David, but we have no
idea why any of these events transpired. And now, with
hope and a prayer, I'm going to give this over
to Calia and let her just talk about a few
of the theory series.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (34:38):
I am dying to hear these theories. My mind is like,
I have no idea what happened here.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
Yeah, I'm confused. I answers, Well, you probably won't get them.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
From what I said.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
Is what I should have said.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
Hey, you hold this, Yeah, thanks, I'm not going to
move it.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
Trust me.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
We have this ongoing issue in our episod and by we,
I mean me where I like, for hair, can I
have a friend abso? So, like we'll be talking and
you know, I need to have this right by my face,
and I just decide to put it down and I'm
looking out the window and I stretch and I have
my and then I go to talk. Oh yeah, thank you,

(35:17):
like exactly what just happened. And then I go to
talk and I forget what we're doing, and I think
we're just like in the same room having a conversation.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
For shit, yeah, I just can't.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
And then other times I'm holding it, but I hold
it over here. It's so stupid, and then you know,
we have to read.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
I mean, I like your setup, though I do like that.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
So Emily's we have like on this bar thing. I
don't love them. I want to get like floor stands
where it's just like perpendicular and comes out because when
I'm looking at Emily, like the MIC's right in front
of her face, so I can't really see your face.
I have mine like on a tabletop thing, like on
a little desk. But my problem is is while I'm
telling the stories, I'm a little bit Italian, so I

(35:55):
start talking with my hands, and every once in a
while I just bump the desk really hard from underneath
and so loud in the microphone, so I have to
like go back and start over.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
Yeah, yeah, I can relate to the Italian struggles.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
Yes, yeah, I can't tell a story without talking with
my hands.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
Then I just sound robotic. Yeah, it's in our blood.
So the police really did not suspect foul play, and
their whole thing was that he left voluntarily, that this
was like something that he sort of thought up and
was a way to leave the family, not to say gently,

(36:35):
but kind of just slip out and irish goodbye. Yes, yeah, see,
consistent though with how he was of the person. So
they a lot of what I have is like what
you have already talked about. They thought what he had left,
it's like the fact that there was no evidence of

(36:55):
a struggle in the house. Everything was nice and calm. Now,
the other though, thought is that all of that was
done by whoever the perpetrator was, if there was one
like that, that was all stage, like all of this
was just intentionally left the way that it was to
make people think that like, oh, he just left on
his own, And then there was the other thing too,

(37:16):
I wanted to say, was like what you were talking
about with so much was going on in Texas and
so much was going on in Washington, the fact that
the DNA databases weren't like there was no way to
put in, Oh we have this man who's missing, let's
plug that DNA into something. And oh, over here in
Washington we have a John Doe hit and run, Like,

(37:36):
let's see if there's a match. Like, there was no
way to do that then for them for those agencies
and different departments to have like a way to communicate,
and that obviously things are very different now than from
in the nineties, so that didn't exist yet. That was
like a barrier for sure. Didty Detective Ditner or yeah,
Dinner not Diddy Detective Dinner really came through in the

(38:00):
end on just like piecing everything. Oh what I wanted to.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
Say too, the glasses.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
So I have terrible vision, terrible ever since I was
a kid, it's gotten much worse. And the fact that
the glasses, I just like, I can't even see my
own toes if I don't have my glasses.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
Aim. Really, yeah, you people.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
Don't understand if they do not face these straw, like
if their vision isn't that bad? Like you really, like,
what's your contact number? If you don't mind me?

Speaker 3 (38:33):
I don't. I think it's like negative three point seventy
five or something. I don't know what is yours?

Speaker 5 (38:41):
Like?

Speaker 3 (38:41):
Negative?

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Oh god, negative nine? No, I'm on another level, man.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
And I thought it was out of five.

Speaker 4 (38:51):
I thought it was out of five.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
I thought that was the max. Well that worries me.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
What is the max?

Speaker 3 (38:56):
The fintment nine and it's ten? Is there any for
me coming up?

Speaker 1 (39:00):
I feel like when her contacts must be so thick
she can barely blink right, Oh my.

Speaker 3 (39:06):
God, normal thinness. Are you candidate for LASIK?

Speaker 5 (39:11):
I was going to say, are you someone that would
consider doing LASIK?

Speaker 3 (39:15):
I mean, I'm scared, but me too. I think I'm
going to have to. I mean, what is the edge here?
You know? You know, contact life is the roughest life.
People don't understand. It's really first world problems. But man,
like waking up and just not being like, if I
wake up, I have to have my phone two inches
from my face to be able to see it.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
And I think, what if I was born into a
country that did not what.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
If we couldn't see for the rest like being blinde.

Speaker 4 (39:46):
I mean, I would never know what anyone looks like.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
I wouldn't know what tones looked like.

Speaker 4 (39:50):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
Right, one time she woke up and grabbed her hairband.
Oh my god, held hair tye hair like yeah, sorry,
her hair tie, held it up to her face where
you Kelsey had just said where your phone is like
an inch from your nose, and then discovered that it
was a centipede.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Oh, that's a real story, and I threw it.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
Well, yeah, it's a real story. Talk about a true
like an unsettling true crime case picking up a senathy.
It's a hair tie.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
Oh, head, that was under my pillow.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
That's where like my hand.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
I thought my hair ties under there.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
No, no, it.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Was I couldn't breathe. I had to take a while
to catch my bre Oh that's horrific. That's horrific.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
Yeah, I know that.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
But it's my least favorite book. I just I can't
get into them.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
I just know.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
More than legs. Yeah, why do you got so many legs? Dude?
You know, really a red flag when you have so
many legs? Any legs over four? No?

Speaker 2 (40:55):
Immediately, No, all right, all right, now let me here.
Oh so, now the thing with this case that like
how Karen had claimed he had this case that he
told her he was being threatened or whatever, that he
confided that his life was in danger. So according to her,
he refused to provide specifics. But someone did, I guess

(41:21):
report that he was scheduled to give a deposition the
week after his disappearance, and it was a three million
dollar malpractice lawsuit.

Speaker 7 (41:29):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (41:30):
I mean, I don't know. Is it enough that someone
would kidnap him? I suppose, and then he couldn't participate
in the deposition, but that was something that they felt
could because he had according to Karen, he had so
much information and it was wrongdoing. Oh and that was
the other thing, wrongdoing supposedly by former colleagues, Which then
is like I feel like apples and Oranges has nothing
to do with the malpractice. But we think like Karen's

(41:52):
just giving a lot of I mean, it didn't all
come from her, but I don't know. She just kept
saying he had a lot of information on wrongdoing among
his colleagues, then kind of threw.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
Them under a bus, as if like she was trying
to point to his coworkers, like you should check these
So was she saying that in the way of like
she thinks they did something to him, or that he
had a reason to run, like he would have run
off on his own.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Good question, Well, so, she I'll get to that answer.
So she said that he was willing to basically like
disclose whatever he needed to, and he was going to
tell the truth whoever it hurt, suggesting that during this
deposition it was going to expose someone. Again, not sure
how that was going to tie in if it was
a malpractice suit, like how that was going to have
anything to do with his colleagues. She thought that someone

(42:38):
basically kidnapped him to prevent him from being able to
participate and give.

Speaker 3 (42:42):
These details up. Okay, okay.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
Karen and other relatives just felt like it was inconceivable
that he would have left the family because he was
such a family man and the daughter what was her name, Karen.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
Was the wife.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
I forget what the doctor Lauren was It not that it.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
Matters, but her birthday was coming up, and I guess
that was just not something that he.

Speaker 4 (43:02):
Would have ever would have missed. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
Right. He was super involved in church as well, which
the friend who saw him at the airport, not that
it necessarily matters, but was someone from a church. And
then I think I already said this about oh so
the five thousand dollars deposit the police like that kind
of bolstered their whole thing too, that he loved voluntarily,
that he wanted to just start a new life. Not

(43:25):
that I mean, I can't imagine five thousand dollars, but
at the same time that you're starting a new life somewhere,
it's five thousand dollars really, although in the nineties, I
guess it would get you a little bit farther than
like today.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
A little bit, I guess, yeah. But Italian I always say,
like that's always there. We get very frustrated when the
police always go to they just wanted to start anew Yeah,
but I guess in this case, maybe it's more possible
than like a nine year old.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
But just wasn't someone with like a shaky life or
a shaky past, even like he was well known in
the community. He was a solid dude, like professionally what
no yet family Like it just doesn't really seem to
sound like, oh, I could see why David would be
doing this, and like what's he going to go do
then for work after this?

Speaker 3 (44:13):
Like you know, yeah, I feel like to me, it
sounds possible that he maybe was just trying to leave
his family. But then the fact that he was just
standing and that's where I get caught up is like
it almost seems like there was something like he was
having some sort of like psychiatric episode or something. But
why are you just standing in the middle of the

(44:35):
highway if you're trying to leave your family.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
That's odd to me, right, and not under the influence
of anything. Nothing wasn't his bloodstream like, It's not like
any other factor was at play.

Speaker 4 (44:45):
That Yeah, he wasn't like doing drugs or.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
Right even too like one of the things that Karen
was saying that he was tricked into going out to Washington.
But again, like he how he wasn't like this impressionable
didn't sound like this impressionable person who could easily be
swayed and an adult man, but judge who had been
a judge and like an accomplished attorney was tricked.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
It just doesn't.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
I don't know another thing the police were thinking or
I'm sorry, yeah it was it was a police officer
that this had the They referred to it as like
the ear markings of suicide, that possibly he was acting
well basically like what you were touching on Kelsey, like
that there was some sort of like psychiatric break going on,
and that maybe because of the deposition and the lawsuit

(45:33):
and that that was like wearing on him, and that
potentially he was like considering ending his life, went out
to this highway and that the hit and run like
that that's what he wanted to have happened, just.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
To odd that he would go to Washington to do so.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
Yeah, yeah, also mentioned yes, yes, correct, So.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
It's kind of all I have.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
There's no shame in that.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
Don't worry because our story is going to be leave
you very similarly where it's like here are some theories,
but none of them fully make sense and we have
no answers on what happened.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
Yeah, it does sort of like those two like I
hate when they're not resolved, but then I also like
it really makes you wonder and like possibilities are endless
but also so hopeless and awful that like you're never
going to know, like they're never going to know what's
really happened here with him, and like what I would
imagine not although eleven years it took for that breakthrough, well, right,
the hell knows.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
But back back in another ten.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
Right, Okay, this is kind of a big one, so
we've probably heard of it, but it is the case
of Bryce les Visa.

Speaker 4 (46:40):
Have you guys heard this name before?

Speaker 3 (46:41):
Oh? No, Okay, this is one that I've heard on
a bunch of different podcasts and I've been wanting to
cover it. It's very similar to another case that we
already covered, the case of Brandon Swanson, who was another
nineteen year old kid who went missing. Yes one, yes, yes, Okay,
so you know the Brandon Swanson case. You will see

(47:03):
a lot of similarities with this one. So in August
twenty thirteen, nineteen year old college student Braceless Visa vanished
without a trace. His SUV was found wrecked near Castaic Lake, California, but.

Speaker 4 (47:16):
Bryce was gone.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
The car had been driven off a twenty five foot
cliff and it was crashed. The back window was kicked out,
and Bryce was nowhere.

Speaker 4 (47:25):
To be found the crash.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
He survived the crash. There were a couple drops of
blood found in the car, but like nothing crazy, a
couple drops after you went off a twenty foot cliff. Wow. Yeah,
there was no no, there were no confirmed sightings of him.
There was no body. There was just a trail of
strange behavior leading up to one of the most baffling
disappearances in recent history, in my opinion. So Bryce had

(47:51):
recently returned to Sierra College in Rockland, California to begin
his sophomore year. He was majoring in graphic and in
streal design woo to Emiliashia's graphic designer. Oh, but he
seemed to be thriving in schoold. He was creatively gifted,
he was charismatic, and he was well liked by his friends.

(48:12):
He was social. He seemed to just be like living
a happy, successful college student life. So those who knew him,
they described him as funny, warm, and incredibly talented. Now,
his parents, Karen and Michael Laspiza, had recently relocated to
Laguna niguel after retiring, but they kept in close contact

(48:33):
with Bryce, who was their only child. So they're living
hours apart at this point in time, and just weeks
into the semester, those closest to Bryce began noticing some
really abrupt and unsettling changes in his behavior. His roommate
Sean Dixon and his girlfriend Kim Sly observed Bryce becoming

(48:55):
increasingly erratic. He confessed to them that he had been
abusing Vivance Whiz, a stimulant prescribe for ADHD. And I
want to like talk a little bit about vivance. I
have ADHD. I've never taken viavance, but I've taken Adderall
in the past, and from what I've heard is like
vivance is just like a really crazy strong version of

(49:16):
adderall pretty much like it's you know, it's a type
of amphetamine, and it's something that you know if you
are not taking it as prescribed, it is like abusing
like a drug, Like it's not just a normal like
oh I took too much advild type of thing, like yes,
it can really fuck you up. It can really fuck
you up. And he was not prescribed this medication at all,

(49:39):
like he was just getting this from from elsewhere. Now,
on top of that, he started drinking really heavily, and
he reportedly like was finishing large quantities of liquor in
short spans, like just drinking straight liquor, and his friend
started to notice his moods shifting, not only like while
he was drinking and taking these drugs, but like us

(50:00):
all the time, because what people sometimes don't realize is
drinking heavily. Like alcohol is a depressant, but it's not
just a depressidant while you're doing it. It's a depressant
the day after, while you're withdrawing from it. So he
was just becoming more withdrawn and unpredictable and erratic behavior,
and it was just it was disturbing to his friends

(50:22):
to see such a big shift in such a short.

Speaker 4 (50:24):
Period of time.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
Now, all of this came to a head on August
twenty seventh. That day, Bryce suddenly broke up with Kim
over a text message, and he basically just told her
she'd be better off without him, which is concerning because
from all accounts like they had a really good relationship.
It's not like they were fighting a lot or anything

(50:45):
like that. On top of the breakup, he started giving
away some of his most prize possessions. He gave his
Xbox and sports people will know this. The people that
like the sports uh yeah, they if they like the
sports ball, they'll like the Xbox. But it's basically like
a gaming concept. Fascinating. Yeah, there's there's yeah, I'm.

Speaker 4 (51:09):
Appeeling the whole demographics.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
Okay. So he gave away this Xbox and he also
gave away a pair of diamond earrings, like real diamond
earrings that his mom had given him as a gift,
and he sent this cryptic message to Sean, his roommate,
and basically this message sounded like a goodbye message. Now,
obviously Sean is concerned. He was already concerned about Bryce

(51:34):
before all of this, just his behavior, and now he's like,
what is going on. So Sean is a good friend,
and he calls Bryce's mother, Karen, and he's like, look,
you need to check on Bryce. Something is not right here.
And if any young people are listening, and the way
I'm talking about Bryce sounds like one of your friends,
you should call their mom. Sean did the right thing here,

(51:58):
So good friend. Oh yeah, good friend. And so Karen
calls Bryce to talk to him because she's like, what
is going on with you? And Bryce basically assured her
that he was fine and everything was good and blah
blah blah. But Karen says, like, in hindsight, he did
sound a little off, even though he was saying all

(52:19):
of the right things. It's like the way he was
saying them was concerning to her. Now that night, Bryce
ends up going to Kim's to like spend time with him,
even though he had just broken up with her over text,
and Kim again found his behavior so concerning that she
literally took his keys away from him, and she's like, no,

(52:40):
you can't leave, and Bryce.

Speaker 4 (52:42):
Was insisting on leaving.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
And this is one of those situations that's a little
bit difficult because when you're in the moment, it can
feel one way, but when we're looking at it in hindsight,
it's like, well, was this just a she didn't want
him to break up with her, so she's trying to
make him stay, or was it really that there was
something bad going on? And this is where it gets

(53:05):
a little bit like my heart breaks for his mom
a little bit, because Kim ends up talking to Karen
on the phone because Brice basically calls his mom and
he tells her, Hey, Kim won't let me leave. She
won't give me my keys back, and so Karen's like,
give the phone to Kim, let me talk to her,
and Kim tells her, you know, I'm really he's acting
really strange. I just don't think he should drive like

(53:27):
he's being really weird. He's trying to leave, and Karen
told her, Kim, you need to give him his keys back,
and that ends up being not I don't want to
say a bad decision, because I see why she did it.
You can see it's like, well, you know, my son's
breaking up with this girl. She's upset about it, and
she just doesn't want him to leave. And you know,

(53:49):
I think that wasn't actually the case, but from the outside,
it's really hard to know.

Speaker 4 (53:54):
And I my heart breaks for Karen. Yeah, me too.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
That sucks.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
Kim could have not been playing with a full set
of balls either at that point.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
Exactly exactly. You don't. And these kids are young, like
you know, when you're in college, you're dramatic, you know,
so I was, at least I was. So Karen convinces
Kim to give the keys back to Bryce, and Bryce
at this point decides that he is going to drive
all the way home to his parents' house in Laguna Neguel,

(54:24):
which was approximately four hundred and fifty miles away and
would typically take seven to eight hours by car, depending
on traffic nights, So just last minute, that's a full
days tar ride for sure. That is crazy. He's not
at the road.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
Like, he's not going home in twenty minutes.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
I anything more than like an hour or two to
just decide. Last minute to me is I don't know.
We already talked about like I don't like driving, I'm
not good with directions. This this is me out already. Now.
What followed was a baffling sequence of events that suggested
that Bryce wasn't just driving home. He was like just

(55:04):
drifting around. Around one am that night, so this is
technically the warning of August twenty ninth. He called his
mom and he sounded alert, but records later revealed that
he was already really far from campus, heading south on
Interstate five towards their home. Now. Later that morning, he
ran out of gas near a town called button Willow,

(55:25):
which was a remote stop along the highway, and a
roadside assistance worker named Christian ended up delivering gas to
Bryce because I guess he just ran out of gas
on the side of the road, and he noticed that
Bryce seemed tired but otherwise fine. Christian didn't really find
anything concerning enough that like raised alarms. But this encounter

(55:46):
would not be their last, so Christian leaves, but he's
going to come back because hours later, Bryce was still
in the same spot on the side of the road,
hours later, and he had the gas.

Speaker 4 (56:00):
Yeah, so why are you still there?

Speaker 2 (56:03):
And I'm sorry all August August, so it was probably hot.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
Yeah, I mean it had it hot in California.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
Yeah, and August, which button willow sounds like a quaint,
quaint little yeah, yes.

Speaker 3 (56:17):
It does, Yes it does, but it also sounds spooky
a little bit.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
Agree.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
I mean, I.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
Guess I picture like Christian as this handsome Hallmark movie
man you know, who comes out to like get him
his gas, if you know what I'm saying, and then
checks on Christian.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
Is we I will marry this man. Christian, great guy.
We love Christian he is. He is a hall He's
a Hallmark king.

Speaker 4 (56:46):
For sure.

Speaker 3 (56:47):
We thank you.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
You continue to you.

Speaker 3 (56:50):
Know, the vibes. So Christian returned to check on Bryce
because Haaren, Yeah, what a fun guy, what a guy?
Because Okay, this is what I happened, is like, this
is like a roadside assistance. Like I don't know if
it's Triple A or whatever, but it's like a company
that they you know, they.

Speaker 4 (57:07):
Pay for every month.

Speaker 3 (57:08):
So Karen knew that Christian had delivered this gas Bryce,
and when she like hadn't heard from Bryce, didn't know
what was going on. She called Christian back and she's like,
can you check on, like go see if he's still there,
because he hasn't like come home yet. And so he
goes kind of thinking he's not going to find anything,

(57:30):
but he finds Bryce exactly where he left him, and
Bryce again tells him, Oh, I'm fine and.

Speaker 4 (57:36):
I'm just blowing off some steam. I'm just like relaxing.

Speaker 3 (57:39):
But at this point, it had been more than six
hours since his car had been refueled, six hours he
was sitting there right like I get a.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
No, no, well, true, we don't know.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
But here's the thing is, like I get pulling over
to take a nap or something like you are feeling like, oh,
I'm going to fall You don't want to fall asleep
while driving, but like for six hours, six hours, yeah,
and like when Christian got there, he was awake. It
didn't seem like he was pulling over to nap basically. Now,
eventually Christian ends up following him for at least a

(58:17):
few miles, like he's like, you got to get on
the road, like your parents are concerned, you need to
go home, Like, I'm going to follow you, and he
followed him to make sure he was going towards the
parents' house so he could like assure Karen like, look,
I followed him, he's.

Speaker 4 (58:31):
On his way, and he does that.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
He confirms he's heading south, and he does it for
a long enough period of time where he feels like, Okay,
he's actually going to go home now, and eventually Christian
turns around because he's not going to drive all the
way there. Karen spoke to Bryce several times that day,
and each time he promised he was on his way.
So Christians saying, yes, I've seen him driving that direction.

Speaker 4 (58:55):
He is on his way.

Speaker 3 (58:57):
Bryce is telling her he's on his way, but he
never arrives by ten pm that night, because remember it
was around like one am that morning that Christian originally
brought him the gas, So this is going on. This
is an all day thing. By ten pm, Bryce still
had not shown up, and growing increasingly frantic, his parents

(59:18):
contacted the police and asked them to intervene.

Speaker 4 (59:21):
They're like, something is wrong. We need somebody to.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
Go get him. Now. They were able to track his
cell phone signal and they located him, shockingly still in
Button Willow. He made twenty four hours later. Nearly twenty
four hours after he first left his apartment, Bryce had
barely made any progress toward home, and it's like he's
telling everybody he's going home. So when officers arrived, they

(59:47):
found Bryce alone but coherent. They administered a field sobriety test,
which he passed. They searched his vehicle. They found no drugs,
no alcohol, nothing of concern, and when they asked him
what he was doing, Bryce portedly responded calmly, without indicating
any distress, and at their urging, he contacted his parents
once more. They're like, look, your parents are concerned. You

(01:00:10):
need to go home, and you need to call them
and tell them that you're on your way home. And
so he does again. He calls them again and says
that he is on his He's finally heading home now
around two oh eight am on August thirtieth. So we're
like a day and a half into this whole thing.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
And I say something quickly, Yes, I feel like my
parents would have been already on the road drive into
little Button Willow, so very least we're going to intercept
each other somewhere because this is nuts.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:00:42):
One, I what did he say when they asked him
what he was doing?

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
Like what what was his response? He just was like,
I'm just like blowing off steam, like I'm going to
go soon, like for six hours.

Speaker 4 (01:00:54):
I agree, like to me and.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
The I always try to give people grace because obviously
these people have seen the worst contant coquences possible and
they know the mistakes that they've made. If this was
my child, by like the by the time Christian had
found him the second time and he was still there,
I would have said, Christian, can you please stay with him?

(01:01:19):
Like we will. I'll pay you one thousand dollars to
sit with him, and I am on my way. Just
please sit with him for a few hours until I
get there. Yeah, keep eyes on him because it's something
it seems evident that this is some sort of mental health. Yeah,
he's very much okay. I just it's concerning to me.

(01:01:40):
And he keeps saying he's getting like why don't you
want to go home? Why don't you want to go home?
And of course they didn't have the context of the
fact that he had given away some of his things
and like sent this goodbye message to his friend, so
we have a little bit more context than they did.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
But that's true, all right.

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
I agree, Like I would have been on my way,
that's but that's just me. Around two am on August thirtieth,
Bryce spoke to Karen one last time. He told her
he was too tired to continue driving and he planned
to pull off and rest, but instead of stopping on
the shoulder of the I five, surveillance footage captured his
vehicle exiting the freeway at Lake Hughes Road near Castaic Lake.

(01:02:22):
Two hours later, the same cameras caught his SUV again
in the same area, suggesting that he was just circling around.
Like he's just driving around this area. That's so weird, right,
tells her he has to stop.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
He literally does the opposite, doesn't take her like he's
taking a rest for all these hours. Then when he
says he's going to take a rest, he just drives aimlessly,
not like it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
Just it's yeah, it's weird, very sad.

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
It may like what was going through his mind? What
was going through his mind? Now? At approximately five thirty am,
the police discovered his two thousand and three Toyota Highlander
at the bottom of a twenty five foot embankment near
the lake's boat launch area. The suv was on its side,
with the rear window kicked out from the inside. Inside

(01:03:06):
of the vehicle were Bryce's belongings, his cell phone, his wallet,
his laptop, and other personal effects. Blood on the headrest
indicated that he may have sustained a minor injury. Again,
this was like drops of blood. It wasn't a ton
of blood where you think, oh, you know, he this
could lead to him passing away, right, okay, But again

(01:03:27):
there's no sign of Bryce himself. So they did have
search and rescue efforts, which began immediately. They had divers
scoured the lake. K nine units tracked Bryce's scent from
the crash to a nearby truck stop, where it abruptly ended,
suggesting that maybe he caught a ride.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
Nothing truck stop, truck stops.

Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
Not ever, No, uh uh.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
Big adventure has taught me anything. Nothing that happens at
truck stops.

Speaker 3 (01:03:56):
Yes, that's all right, that's like just a true crime
life rule, like one place to avoid. Don't light up
a room and don't hang out at trucks crostops. Never good.
Now they also had helicopters with thermal imaging, ground search
teams and volunteers combing through the surrounding hills and brush area.
And this is immediately right after they find his vehicle,

(01:04:19):
So this is it's not days or weeks later that
they're looking for him, it's hours later. Yeah, they got
right on that. But despite these exhaustive exactly exactly, and
with all of these exhaustive efforts, no trace of Bryce
was found. The terrain around Castaic Lake is rugged, there's
thick brush, there's steep drops, there's hidden ravines, and volunteers

(01:04:40):
walked miles and miles in sweltering heat, calling out Bryce's
name and searching for any clue, clothing, footprints, anything. Again, nothing, literally,
nothing vanished into thin air. Basically, the dive teams searched
the lake multiple times using sonar and divers looking for remains,
but remains were never Even the most remote areas of

(01:05:02):
the park were come through, and again not a drop
of evidence outside of that vehicle. In the days that followed,
several potential sightings were reported, but none were confirmed. Sadly,
a couple days later, a burned body was discovered near
Castaic Lake, sparking a brief wave of panic, but it

(01:05:23):
was determined to be unrelated to Bryce's case. I can't
imagine for that family hearing that a burned body was
found and then it's not him. And after that, weeks
just turned into months and months turned in two years,
and the case faded from the national headlines, but it

(01:05:44):
never left the minds of his parents, or his friends,
or the growing community of true crime followers that have
been captivated by this mystery. Now, many theories have been proposed.
Some believe that Bryce suffered a mental health crisis, possibly
induced by his substance abuse, and wandered into the wilderness
where he succumbed to the elements. But like with that,

(01:06:06):
I'm like, how did they not find him? That's what
I don't understand about these, Like with Brandon Swanson, I
always think the same thing, how does he just disappear?
I can see how they go off into the woods
and they sadly something happens and they pass away, But
I don't understand how they're never found, Like, not a
piece of their clothing, not a piece of.

Speaker 4 (01:06:26):
Their remains, nothing. It's mind boggling to me.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
And just to clarify you, said that this, did you
say the search dogs were the ones that took it
to the truck stop and then after that that was it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
Yes, So they had dogs tracking his scent, and they
used two different dogs and they both confirmed the same path.
So basically, from the crash site, they tracked his scent
all the way to a truck stop and then it
stopped there and they boat both of these dogs. And
this was two separate occasions, two different dogs, so they
are basically using one to confirm the other. Yeah, and

(01:07:03):
they the set ended. So to me, it sounds like
he must have gotten into a vehicle with.

Speaker 4 (01:07:08):
Somebody, right, Yeah, I think you're right, But I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
Now other people think that he may have intended to
take his own life. And of course there was no
suicide note or like final message that was ever found,
but he did send that one message to his roommate,
which I could not find the contents of this message,
but basically his roommate, Sean said, it sounded like an odd,

(01:07:33):
like very vague goodbye, and Sean was confused by it,
like why are you saying goodbye?

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
Giving away his belongings That's what I'm Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:07:42):
And breaking up with his girlfriend, like over a text,
over a text and his girlfriend that everybody said he
really loved this girl and they had a good relationship,
Like his friends were shocked that he would break up
with her. It wasn't like, oh, well we knew they
were having problems or anything like that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
Well, you know, the one thing that I think about
out is many many, many episodes ago, Talia and I
covered the suicide forest and yeah, and it's like, you
know those people, some of them camp out for days
as they're contemplating this. So it's kind of like, I
feel like that kind of jibs with he's in his
car for days because he's continuing to contemplate, like he

(01:08:21):
wasn't totally committed to doing it. And I have a
feeling that if you're thinking about that and you're not sure,
like you're not going to go home, because that's going
to definitely push you in the direction of not doing
it if you're then there with your family. So like,
I just feel like he was trying to buy himself
time to just think about it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:39):
Yeah, I agree, I wholeheartedly believe that that's what this,
like all of this driving around was about. But a
third theory suggests and I just sometimes I scoff at
these people are like he wanted to disappear, and he
like yeah, and blah blah blah. I'm like, look, the

(01:08:59):
kid is nineteen years old. He left his phone, his wallet,
his laptop, his keys, everything in that car. There's nothing
to say that he had been like saving up cash
or anything. I'm like to think that he could just
successfully And this is I believe it's hold on, let
Me twenty thirteen. So it's not like it's nineteen seventy
five where you can just fake a little document and

(01:09:22):
get a job. It's I just think that's BS in
this case.

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
Wouldn't you guys stoppable?

Speaker 3 (01:09:29):
When you guys were telling your story, like I knew
that was going to be one of the theories, But
the more you told the story, I'm like, wait, this
is actually a story where I think maybe this person
did leave purposely and one time the one k yeah,
Like it almost sounds like he wanted to do that,
Like he wanted to like go away and just start
a new life and have nobody know, and then he.

Speaker 4 (01:09:51):
Just happened to die while trying to do.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
It, you know what I mean, Like he circumstances yeah,
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:09:58):
It's so odd.

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
But again, this nineteen year old, no money, no idea, Like,
how could he just vanish so completely? Yeah, clothes on his.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
Back, that's it. But he's gonna he's gonna start a new.

Speaker 3 (01:10:10):
I'm like when I was nineteen, I couldn't even like,
I don't know, I was driving the wrong way down
one way street. So like, I definitely believe be able
to live. Yeah. Now, there's also, of course, the possibility
of foul play. Could bryce have been picked up at
the truck stop by someone with malicious intent. Could he
have encountered danger while disoriented and vulnerable, And some people

(01:10:34):
believe that he may have unknowingly cross passed with the
wrong person in those early morning hours. But again, there's
no evidence to point towards violence. There's no witnesses, and
in my mind, this theory is like completely speculative. I
do think it's possible that he was picked up by somebody,
but I think it's unlikely. There's a lot of signs

(01:10:55):
here pointing towards a mental health crisis, and that's that's
where I think this case differs from the case of
Brandon Swanson is because with Brandon there really weren't any
signs of a mental health crisis, and which made it
like a little bit more mysterious. And of course, you know,
if this was a mental health crisis and Bryce did

(01:11:16):
take his own life, it's still mysterious because what happened
to him? How did he get there? How? You know,
how do you just like completely have no trace of
him ever again yet? Right? Right, But I do think
it's possible that, you know, someone took him to a
second location and left him wherever he was asking to go. Now. Still,
others have speculated about medical explanations. Could he have suffered

(01:11:39):
a traumatic brain injury and the crash that led to
confusion or memory loss? Yeah, maybe, but I think there
are so many weird signs before the accident that, yeah,
that it's like, even if he did, it's like.

Speaker 4 (01:11:53):
There was already something going on here in my mind
for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:11:58):
What haunts many is how young man could seemingly vanish
into thin air within hours of speaking to his mother,
and the lack of answers has been devastating for his family,
and especially his parents, who continue to maintain a Facebook
page called Fine Bryce Les Visa. So I recommend everybody
follows that page, and they also would work with nonprofits

(01:12:19):
to keep the case alive and keep the case in
the media. Now. In twenty twenty three, the National Center
for Missing and Exploited Children released an age progression image
showing what Bryce might might look like at age twenty nine.
And this case. When I read that part of it,
because Emily and I are twenty nine, and I'm like,
that is so crazy, Like imagine if Emily went missing

(01:12:42):
ten years ago, and for the last ten years, I've
been wondering what happened to Emily and where she, Like
it breaks my heart for like his family, oh yeah,
but also his friends and his poor girlfriend, Like I
can't even imagine.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
Yeah, it's so want them forever, Like how do you
cover from that?

Speaker 4 (01:13:00):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:13:01):
I don't, And it's sets such a young age to
deal with that. Now, this image that they released, it
shows a man with slightly older features but the same
Like if you see a picture of braceless visa, if
you know this case, you can picture his face because
his face is very he has like this bright red hair,
he's got freckles, and he just has literally the biggest

(01:13:22):
like smile. And I know that, like we say that
about like a lot of victims, and like the beautiful smile,
Like he just has the biggest smile. Like you see
this one photo of him that's everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
He is a cutie pie.

Speaker 3 (01:13:35):
Yeah, it's it's just heartbreaking. And it also makes you
think too, like if he really just ran away and
he was trying to start a new life. I mean,
he was in the national media for a long time
and again still to this day. Like I just feel
like he's very recognizable if.

Speaker 1 (01:13:51):
You've seen his picture, yeah, well yeah, we just looked
it up. Yeah, when you think about Okay, so let's pretend,
which I don't think at all, is true, that he
wants and to start a new Then why the hell
does he keep picking up the phone for his mom?
I mean, if you're starting a new wouldn't you be
starting a new then? Yeah, like a new phone? Who

(01:14:12):
diss or whatever they say?

Speaker 3 (01:14:13):
And why would you crash the car and leave all
of your stuff in it? Why wouldn't you just drive
somewhere and take all of your stuff with you, Like, I.

Speaker 4 (01:14:20):
Don't get it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:21):
He was nineteen, he was allowed to leave. It's not
like the police would have picked him up and been
like you have to go on to your parents.

Speaker 5 (01:14:27):
And I'm sure he didn't have all that much money
saved to go and start all this, Like right, sure
he didn't. Wasn't prepared to start a new life, you know,
like he wasn't planning on it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:36):
I'm twenty nine and I couldn't start a new life
with me. Well that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
We are not twenty nine, but we couldn't either.

Speaker 3 (01:14:43):
That is correct.

Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
So you're saying it doesn't get better for some they'd
be responsible, but.

Speaker 3 (01:14:55):
I just keep telling myself. I'm like, uh, guys, listeners,
we need you to tell all your friends about it,
because I need enough money to start a new life.
If I need to, I probably won't, but just in
case now.

Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
Well, i mean, from the chill worthy side of things,
I'd like to say to the chillers, please follow a
trial by podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:15:17):
Thank you, start listening, Thank you, and we we concur
we say vice versa. As soon as I listen to
one of your episodes, I'm like, we're gonna vibe like
this is gonna be good vibes, good times, and I
know that all of our listeners are going to be
checking you guys out which I'm excited about. Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:38):
We always say we know we're on acquired taste, but
we sure are us too.

Speaker 3 (01:15:43):
That's why we get along so well. We're like we're
i don't know, red wines or something. It's like you
don't like us at first, but the more you drink us,
the more you drink a lot. Gotcha. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
Yeah, the car accident back to the case.

Speaker 3 (01:15:59):
Sorry, it's fun, but I was.

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
Thinking with the car accident, it makes me wonder was
his like level of being sort of like just scattered
and like not necessarily thinking straight. Was that accidental? And
then oh shit, still not thinking clearly, just got into
a car accident. I'm not going to grab my stuff,
like I just need to go get help and like
figure this out. And then came upon someone who like

(01:16:22):
you know, took advantage of him in like a vulnerable state.
But then also, do you think that car accident was intentional?
And he was like okay, yes, like I'm okay, I'm
going to try to kill myself and then it didn't work,
and then he is fighting to live, like fighting to
live necessarily, but like he kicks his way out of
the car like he's going to go get help, like
you know what wake up call? I need to go home.

Speaker 3 (01:16:44):
This is a fantastic question. And it was shown from
security footage that he was accelerating towards that offit. Oh
so it did seem to be purposeful. It seemed to
be purposeful. But again people say, oh, maybe there was
some medical thing that happened, But I just think there's

(01:17:04):
too much pointing to this was intentional and there was
a mental health crisis happening here, Yeah, for sure. But
it's heartbreaking because his family just continues to live in
this limbo and they've never moved from their home in
Laguna Neguel, just in case Bryce comes back. That shatters me.

(01:17:26):
To this day, his room remains just as he left it.
They mark each birthday, each anniversary, each new tip with
a mixture of dread but also hope and for them
not and I think for anyone, not knowing what happened
is the hardest part.

Speaker 1 (01:17:42):
Oh yeah, sure, now having any kind of closure ever.

Speaker 4 (01:17:47):
I genuinely can't imagine now.

Speaker 3 (01:17:50):
Like I mentioned earlier, Bryce's disappearance shares eerie similarities with
the two thousand and eight disappearance of nineteen year old
Brandon Swanson. So it's good to know you guys. I
didn't hear your episode on it. So now I'm like,
I have to go listen so we can discuss his
case further. And so you guys can check out their
episode on Brandon Swanson if you haven't heard this case.

(01:18:13):
We also have an episode on Brandon Swanson. I think
it's I've put in here somewhere which episode it is,
but I'll get I think it's like twenty two or something.
But like Bryce, Brandon was driving home late at night
when something went terribly wrong. He called his parents for
help after his car got stuck in a ditch, and
he sounded disoriented, but not in distress. Now his parents

(01:18:36):
stayed on the phone with him for nearly forty seven
minutes as he walked along rural roads in Minnesota trying
to find a landmark. Suddenly, Brandon exclaimed over the phone,
oh shit, and then the line went dead and he
was never seen or heard from again. Now, both Bryce
and Brandon were young men navigating isolated areas at night,

(01:18:58):
seemingly capable of communicating with their families and thinking clearly,
right up until the moment that they vanished. Both left
behind functioning vehicles and disappeared without a trace. And in
both cases there were no signs of a struggle, no
definitive leads, and no evidence to explain what happened next.
And yes it was episode twenty two for US.

Speaker 1 (01:19:22):
Episode for US seventeen.

Speaker 3 (01:19:24):
Okay, good to know. But I'm one of those. This
is how I know I'm too obsessed with true crime.
Is like I love listening to the same case told
by every podcast I listened to, Like that's one of
my because everybody has a little bit of a different
take and they include little bit like different details and
things that maybe some others didn't find important. So I'm

(01:19:47):
really excited to listen to your episode on him now.
If you have any information on the disappearance of Braceless Visa,
you can contact the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department. Even
the smallest clue or maybe I'm not sure if this
is important. It could be the thing that could bring
closure to a family that has waited far too long
for it. If you take anything away from Bryce's story,

(01:20:08):
I think it should be this, pay attention to your
loved ones, pay attention to your instincts. If something feels
off it probably is off, and I would imagine I
obviously I've never spoken to his family. I don't know
their thoughts, but I put myself in their shoes, and
I imagine that this is one of the things where

(01:20:30):
I'm sure that they wish they had gotten in the
car and driven to him. And I don't say that
to criticize them. I say that to be like I
think often in life we sell ourselves. Oh, I'm just
being paranoid. It's gonna be fine, Like, let me just
chill out a little bit. And it's like, sometimes those
instincts are there for a reason. Your body in your

(01:20:51):
mind are telling you that something is off, and I'm
just I don't know, I'm a little bit, probably too paranoid,
but my mind is always better safe than sorry, And
this case breaks my heart every time.

Speaker 1 (01:21:05):
And like hindsight is twenty twenty exactly, like of course
you're like you just said you're thinking this might be
an issue, but it's probably not. And it's like, yeah,
I mean in those situations where you just try to
do something just because you know it might be a
little over the top, but it's because you would rather
be safe than sorry. Like I absolutely get that.

Speaker 3 (01:21:25):
Yeah, And like I think about when I was that age,
I called my parents with so many just like weird
bad scenarios. I'm like, Mom, I'm stuck on the side
of the road, or Mom, like, I don't know, I
got dropped off at these people's house, so now I
don't know how to get home or whatever. And it's
one of those things where it's like, you know, my
mom was probably like, oh my god, what are you doing?

(01:21:47):
But I ended up being fine. And that's what you
always expect, is that it's going to be fine and
don't be too paranoid like me, Like ninety nine percent
of the time, it is fine.

Speaker 4 (01:21:58):
Everything turns out okay.

Speaker 3 (01:22:00):
It's one of those things where it's like you gotta
I don't know, be That's what I like about true crime.
Everyone should be a little bit more paranoid in my mind,
safety first, yes, yes, well, and that is the story. Oh,
thank you so much, thank you, But I row we
we didn't. I didn't really go with like the theme

(01:22:21):
I was thinking. But I feel like our stories were
like very similar in a way, like Vanish without a
Place and yeah, yeah, so I had so much fun
doing this for me too.

Speaker 1 (01:22:33):
Oh it's been very nice.

Speaker 3 (01:22:34):
Yeah, I mean, okay, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:22:37):
The whole time beforehand, I'm like, you know, because we've
never done this before, we were like, I was nervous.
I was like, I don't know how this is going
to go. We know, we start out with one microphone,
still have only one microphone, but it all worked out. Yeah,
we're trying our best.

Speaker 4 (01:22:51):
Nice and smooth.

Speaker 3 (01:22:52):
Yeah, I think it will great.

Speaker 4 (01:22:53):
Okay, so can you guys like tell our listeners.

Speaker 3 (01:22:56):
Obviously we're gonna tag your stuff in the show notes,
but they can find Chilworthy where can it? What are
your social media accounts? Do you have a website?

Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
You want to look that up quick?

Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
Yeah, we are on Instagram.

Speaker 1 (01:23:10):
Since we don't have Ashley here, the social media manager.

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
Hold on a second, shout out, We're on Spotify, Apple, Yeah,
thanks breaker all of those.

Speaker 1 (01:23:23):
Yeah, but what is the Instagram? Yes, YouTube as well.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
Oh I don't know what the Instagram is.

Speaker 1 (01:23:27):
Oh you don't have it on your phone?

Speaker 3 (01:23:29):
No, hold on, I'll get one. Actually, I got your back.

Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
She'll be so disappointed in us and so thrilled and
thankful for you.

Speaker 3 (01:23:39):
I'm like, I know we daend at some point. Chill
we're at Chillworthy podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:23:46):
Oh god, we sound like idiots. Yes, no, don't, No,
you don't. We're like, yeah, we're online somewhere. We're on
the world Wide Web. Now for them, much smoother answer,
why don't you guys tell our listeners where to find you?

Speaker 3 (01:24:04):
Okay, so you can find us on Instagram and TikTok
at a trial by podcast. There is another podcast that's
like a legal podcast that's just trial by podcast, which
we did not realize until about fifteen episodes in. So
we are a trial by podcast. Okay, but when you

(01:24:26):
guys see us, you'll see a picture of a renaissance
woman wearing headphones and holding the gavel green background. And
if that's really confusing to you, you'll get it. Once
you see it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:38):
It's like perfect, Where did you guys come up with
that name?

Speaker 3 (01:24:41):
Okay? I wanted to call our podcast. I wanted to
call it allegedly, like just because so we don't so
everything has a blanket allegedly.

Speaker 1 (01:24:50):
Oh yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:24:52):
But then I lost it up and they were like
fifty podcasts called allegedly that were like true crime, but
then they were also like like celebrit gossip podcasts stuff
like that. And so then I went on chat Gypt
and I said, chatty Bet, give me fifty names for
a true crime podcast and almost try podcast. And I'm like,

(01:25:13):
oh my god, amazing. I never really thought of that.

Speaker 2 (01:25:16):
So shout out chatchy BT.

Speaker 1 (01:25:21):
I love my chatchy BT.

Speaker 3 (01:25:23):
Me too.

Speaker 2 (01:25:24):
I do not, but I just don't know how technology works.
So to be fair, don't go back.

Speaker 3 (01:25:29):
It's like Google but better. Once you try it, you're
never gonna be the same. It's it's my lawyer, it's
my therapist's by every It's an endless void of knowledge. Yeah,
it will probably kill us all one day.

Speaker 1 (01:25:44):
Oh yeah, but I'm always very polite when I talk
to it.

Speaker 3 (01:25:49):
Thank you please, and thank you too, because I'm scared.

Speaker 1 (01:25:54):
Tellia and I, you know, we went through the first
three episodes with a different.

Speaker 3 (01:25:59):
Name, and then.

Speaker 1 (01:26:01):
On the fourth episode she I told her something and
she was like, or no, she told me something and
I said, oh, I'm getting the chills and she said
Chillworthy and I thought, oh, that is a good name
for a podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:26:15):
I love it. I love it. Changed it. Yeah, went
back and what was your name before that?

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
Dumbfounded? Love it to love it?

Speaker 1 (01:26:26):
Yeah, that was fine also, but you know, yeah, just
edited out the other name and in the first three
episodes and changed it all up and.

Speaker 2 (01:26:36):
Yeah, yeah that's that.

Speaker 3 (01:26:38):
I like it. Well, thank you guys so much for
doing Thank you. I feel like it was so fun.

Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
Thank you for inviting us. Of course.

Speaker 3 (01:26:48):
All right, well we always end every episode, I always say,
and court is adjourned.

Speaker 5 (01:26:56):
We need to get to like smack, I know, I
should like sert like the Law and Order like yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
some sound effects.

Speaker 1 (01:27:07):
Well, we will also end with our goodbye message, which
is as always, stay safe and stage chill.

Speaker 4 (01:27:16):
Yes, I love it, Mike Drop, Mike Drop.

Speaker 1 (01:27:23):
You've just listened to Chilworthy. Thank you for joining us
on this latest episode. While we strive to keep our
discussions engaging and lighthearted, we also wanted to take a
moment to acknowledge the real lives and events that are
at the heart of these stories.

Speaker 2 (01:27:37):
We try to approach each topic with a sense of
curiosity and respect fully aware of the impact these events
have had on the individuals and their loved ones. Our
goal is to honor their memories by keeping their stories
alive and shedding light on the mysteries that surround them.

Speaker 1 (01:27:53):
If you enjoyed this episode, please remember to subscribe, rate
and leave a review, and don't forget to join us
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