November 3, 2021 • 46 mins
Welcome to the thirteenth episode of the Cinemassacre Podcast!! In this episode most of the band (Rex Viper) is in the studio to chat about video game soundtracks and other musical stuff. Adam, the bassist, and Justin (backing vocals) were working at TooManyGames during this filming.
Cinemassacre Podcast #13 - Favorite Video Game Soundtracks (with Rex Viper)
Cinemassacre Podcast #13 - Favorite Video Game Soundtracks (with Rex Viper)
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you know, I'd like to doa little State of the Union address
here on cinema Massacre. October wascertainly a hell of a month for all
of us. James was currently kneedeep writing and getting episode two hundred ready
for the end of November. Episodeone ninety nine, the second part of
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the Commodore video, came out theHalloween one. Hope you like that Monster
Madness, as you may know,was you know, a lot of fun
to do. We got that completelyout there. Just took a lot out
of us, but I hope everyonereally enjoyed it. It's great doing again
after all these years. Aside fromthat, me and Kieran are going to
be at Retroworld Expo this weekend inHartford, Connecticut, so come and hang
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out with me and Kieren up there, and you know some of the guys
from Hacked the movies and stuff likethat. So yeah, I just wanted
to say hi because I'm not inthis episode. James talks to all the
other guys in rex Viper during TooMany Games weekend when everyone else is busy,
so you know, we're kind oftrading who's busy and who's not.
Next week we should get completely backto schedule with me James and Kieren on
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the podcast talking about movies and gamesand all that kind of stuff. So
yeah, good talking to you guys, and see you later. Welcome to
the Cinemassacre podcast. This is arex Viper special edition. We got most
of rex Viper here right now.Let's tell you really quick the origin of
the band, like how this allstarted. So we got together to practice
one time, just to you know, figure out what our sound was going
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to be, what we were goingto do, and we rented out this
like this like weird like place thatwas converted from like a warehouse, and
it was just like to get toit, you gotta go through this alley
and there's all this like graffiti andlike you know, Neon signs and broken
glass everywhere, and uh, soyou know, we'll show up and then
we're loading out, um loading inall of our equipment and everything and uh,
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you know, we got all ourgear and our amps and everything.
And then all of a sudden,bunch of guys show up and they're wearing
like sunglasses, like even though thisis night, and they're they got like
these colored mohawks, and uh theygot like brass knuckles, and shit,
I'm like brass knuckles, Like isthat even like a thing. And then
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then they got like a club withspikes on it, and you know,
like like chains and like you know, um uh fucking uh swords and like,
these guys are gonna kick our ass. They're gonna steal all our gear.
If we're lucky, you know,we'll lose our gear out, you
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know, best case scenario. Worstcase scenario, we're gonna lose our lives.
So, you know, we thinkwe're doomed. Then all of a
sudden, this ninja star comes andtakes out the street and in a flash,
I just saw the silhouette of likethis guy. I just stand in
the alley and I heard one ofthe guys just yell, oh shit,
it's Rex Viper and they just ranand we're like, who is Rex Wiper?
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Like we didn't have a name forthe band yet, you know,
and we heard that. We're like, boy, like those guys just just
took off like this. Whoever thisguy was was the bane of their existence.
This guy meant business and we nevergot a good look at him or
anything, but we kind of owethe band to him. So we named
the band after Rex Viper. Andnow if we see those guys, they
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run screaming like utsunk yea. Thisis so maybe so whoever this guy is
maybe at one of the shows,he might show up and hopefully he's got
our back. Yeah, he isnot the trucker guy from the Big Riggs
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review chick. Yeah, yeah,you know. He he's not really a
tough guy. He's actually kind ofinsecure with himself, the Big Riggs guy,
mister Riggs. But his real nameis Bart following you Riggs, but
he doesn't like people to know thatand saying yeah. So he was kind
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of like the fictional roadie of theband, and he named himself after the
band, which was named after theguy who was a mystery character at this
point. Um. Now, ofcourse, the real story is this band
was formed out of quarantine in themiddle of twenty twenty. We've we've you
know, gone through some lineups becauseit's very difficult to form a band when
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some of you are in America,some of you in Canada, and some
are on the East and West coast. So it's a it's a tricky thing.
It's kind of just a yeah,it's cool that we've managed to get
this all together. So, um, just um introduce everybody here. Um,
if you wanted to go down thetable here, James Harding, Sure,
yeah, from Villainist James Arling fromVillainis that's me. Yeah, So
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I've you might be able to tellfrom the accent that I'm not originally from
Canada, but so yeah, Ilive in Toronto. I have been playing
in a Bank of Villainess for sevenyears just with some great friends of mine,
Jilliary and Jaco, And our dealis that we started off kind of
making original Saga Genesis sounding music usinglike the gen MDM, which he can
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use to sort of turn the Genesisinto like a MIDI synthesizer. So I
don't know anything about keyboards. Ican't play them, and so the idea
is that I would sort of takeit together and you know, stick some
shit into a piano role and dowhat I can, and then we'd kind
of strap into the roller coaster andjust rock out on top of it.
So we've got keytars and Jill sortof things lead with me and everything.
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It's really good fun and kind ofthrough playing that I've met James Ronald over
here, the mester repicd game musichimself, just kind of being through part
of that scene into round now,and we've been very good friends for a
long time, yea and yeah.And so as to the story as to
how I got involved with this,I got a I got a text from
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Chans Ronald, maybe a few weeksinto quarantine, and I was I was
in my apartment that had no airconditioning, kind of sweating my balls up.
I just get a text going likedo you want to sing my two
Wings? I said, yeah,sure. I had no context. You're
not the greatest text or in theworld. I just give you whatever.
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So often I'll just get a textgoing like do you want to do this?
The answer is really yes, Especiallyat that time, it was definitely
yes because I had nothing to do, and so yeah, screamed my face
off in my bedroom for a bit, and that's how the first song came
about for me. I don't know. Yeah, this is how we get
people into trouble by just being like, hey, do you want to do
this? And now we're in likeplaying a show in Pennsylvania and yeah,
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you were saying to me earlier likeyou tend to get people into situations,
and I'm now one of those people. Welcome. Yeah, and he sings
and plays guitar by the way Ido. Yeah. I don't know if
we did I did some guitar ona Power of Love it not Yeah,
Yeah, it was very does Yeah, it was very good guitar for sure.
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Yeah. And then going down thetable, uh drums h Brad.
Yes, I'm Grady him in aband currently called eight Bit. We right
before Quarantine went to Australia and anEast Coast tour. It was very cool,
had a very good time there.Came home with tons of plans,
everything to do, and then Quarantinehit so um. After that, I
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was kind of stuck at home andstarted I was practicing all the time and
big video game music fan listen toit my whole life, have obsessions with
certain composers. So I started makingInstagram videos and doing little, you know,
one minute clips this here and there, making reels, making different I
GTV on Drumboy Advance and I've beenposting those for the last six months.
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And uh, you know, Iwas talking with Adam and Adam said,
you guys were kind of in apinch with a show coming up, and
started talking about practicing possibly with RexViper. Yes. I started nailing those
down and the story was written.So Adam is the UFO guy in case
like anyone's wondering. Yeah, he'sbeen bamed up for this last episode and
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this guy knows too much. That'syeah. Yeah. Oh, by the
way, I wanted to get everybodyhere if possible, but it was just
you know, very difficult. Umso, um, we got most direx
viper here. But uh, youknow, just to give a shout out
to all the other members, peoplewho are in the band, people who
have been in the band. Youknow, we Adam on bass justin doing
backup vocals and the hype man,uh and um Kieran did some keytar on
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the first two songs. Yeah,and uh, Jeff did drums on the
first four songs as well, boththe you know, the recorded version,
and he's in the video as well. Um. And unfortunately he has some
other commitments because drums are the hardestthing when you're in a band, because
you need to have the space youneed to have, like you know,
because he's in a small apartment andeven with electronic drums, it's really loud,
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so he doesn't have time to recordfor us unfortunately, or make it,
you know, fly all the wayto the show because it us up
of all his vacation time for sure. But you know, he's a great
friend of mine and we talked itover and he said, yeah, this
just isn't possible for me right now, you know. He was honest,
and um, you know that's theway it goes in a band. It's
like just you change members out,especially when you're on two different coasts and
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all kinds of you know places.And yeah, when when when former band
I was in had twenty nine members, Oh wow, not not not including
the final members, like that mightbe more than Black Sabbath or like Spinal
Tap, our last drummer. Heexploded, but huge, huge fan on
the backs of Jeff. Two.The drum tracks are incredible. Yeah,
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it's and it's tiger Nuts and it'sit's so much fun to play. Yeah,
So I mean, really great jobout to Jeff on those and I'm
loving it. So yeah, James, oh yeah, there are three genes.
I was gonna say, I'm oneof three James's. And also we're
like sort of like book ending thethings sent a lot of time, little
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people be out of town. Therewill be a quiz at the end of
this. It's nice and easy too, because if I forget somebody's name is
just Yell. James James and upset. Oh sorry, you know someone will
have the ends and we saw himJames from Epic Game Music. I have
a YouTube channel where I do coversof video game music h and also I
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write video game music for a living, So if anyone needs video game music
out there, you know, likeyou know, I'm I'm, I'm I'm
your guy. Uh yeah. SoI got involved with Rex piper By.
I guess you reached out to mefor the Mighty Wings thing, and just
just with the general concept and wewere just putting together who we want for
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this, and like Adam, Ithink was already like he's he's he's sort
of like the core of finding peoplenow, you know what I mean,
Like he's like the rock you knowthat people get. Yeah, but yeah,
and then I asked Harding to dovocals because he said it's like,
get someone who's super good at singing. And I'm like, hmm. We'd
recently had some pretty like heavy karaokenights as well, yeah, like slamming
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out the Bungelby and I can seethe wheels sun and you know yeah yeah,
And I think originally, you know, it was just supposed to be
Mighty Wings for the Top Gun moviethat was coming out, which at this
point still hasn't came out because ofcourse I forgot about it was the original
because we're like, yes, theTop Guns coming out. I think I
remember telling you like, oh,we gotta get this out in time for
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the Top Gun Maverick movie, andthat was going to be made twenty twenty,
wasn't it. Yes, I thinkyeah. I think it was even
delayed from like even before that.I think like twenty nineteen at some point.
I don't know. Yeah, I'msure it's on Wikipedia. Look at
all the release dates for the newTop Gun. It's fun to it.
Yeah, let's see what happens withthat. Oh yeah. And I also
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produce like most of the music,so if anyone has any problems with that,
you can send them to me,please do Yeah. Yeah, James
here puts together like an arrangement andthen we all play to that, we
record our tracks. Well, there'sfeedback everyone sort of like this yeah,
oh absolutely yeah, and then there'slike, you know, a final mix
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at the end of course, sodo you do that as well? Yeah.
It's great for on my end,as this thing, it's like throw
a bunch of fait back out andwe all sort of do this and got
them on the table, And it'dbe great if you did this and then
you just run and we just causethat little bit of suffering feed. Yeah
exactly. No, No, it'sit's it's and I just get to sit
back and enjoy myself and then listento it when it comes in. Yeah,
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it's it's it's my job to takethe ideas that people get and just
stick them in there somehow, right, because like people have so many good
ideas in this band, Like it'scrazy, like we have like this list
of just all these songs we wantto do. It goes on and on
and on, and like you know, we're randomly texting each other, Like
Adam a lot of times he'll textme and be like, Yo, we
should mash this up with this songanyway. Moved the mic over. M
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Hi. I'm Dino and I'm ina band called Cheap Dinosaurs and I play
keyboards, play also play for RexSpiper. Yeah, and I know Adam,
so he kind of asked me todo it. I was just like,
yeah, yeah, Adam knew youfor a long time, and he
knew Brad twenty years years and wewere acquainted like twenty years very strange,
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yeah, surreal. Mm, likewe didn't hang out like a lot,
but we definitely did hang out beforeyou. We did a lot in that
time, though. I think weprobably just don't remember exactly. I mean,
we're probably drinking a lot during thattime. It was Yeah, it
was college. So uh yeah,that was about twenty years ago or more.
Maybe, I don't know, definitelymore now. Yeah, well anyway,
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yes, go on if you havemore, Okay, I don't.
I don't have very much. Youknow, I don't actually have a big
whip. Oh I do write videogame music too, Yeah, yeah you
do. So there's actually two peopleon here at least. There you go.
So the idea of the band issort of like all the game tunes
and training montages that you remember.It's like workout music for nerds, um.
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And uh, you know, sincewe intend to play video game conventions
a lot, you know, we'llbring you some video game music, but
matched with movie nostalgia, um,all those motivational, uplifting songs to to
get you going. But there's alot of video game tunes that we want
to do because we all have,you know, our favorites. And stuff
which just goes on and on.But uh, have we talked about our
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favorite video game soundtracks or your songsin particular, So yeah, I don't
know whoever wants to start, justgo for it, all right, So,
like probably my favorite soundtrack, andalso it's one of the best games
ever just in my opinion. That'sa huge claim. But a Final Fantasy
four, Like you can't look atthis guy already. It's like it's a
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good yeah, but it's it's it'sjust so interesting because like you know,
of course it has that sort ofchip sound that's super Nintendo, but like
it's kind of orchestral, but likethe rhythm of it is sort of like
the drums and base of like arock thing going on. So this sort
of has this driving, you know, low end and then like you know,
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airy themes and stuff like that's justa very interesting, you know thing.
But like you know, you know, we're talking game music. You
know, you can't not say MegaManabout something, right, Like, like
any MegaMan soundtrack is eight out often at worse at worse, yeah for
sure. Yeah, you know,like MegaMan two, three, ten out
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of ten almost like nine point ninepoint eight or whatever. Yeah, yeah,
yeah for sure. Yeah, yeah, I'm not as familiar with Final
Fantasy four I was. I wasall about six, like that's when I
jumped on six, yeah, whichwas three on Superintendent. But uh yeah
yeah yeah that that's one of myfavorites. Actually, the fanfare in three
superb Yeah, like when when youwin that battle, like there's there's some
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funk. Oh yeah, it's good. Yeah yeah yeah, yeah. It's
very cinematic, like it was oneof the first games that I heard that
sounded like this soundtrack could be amovie, you know. Yeah, well
definitely. That's the one where FinalFantasy got like it's footing and voice and
like knew what it was going tobe from from then on, you know
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what I mean. One of myfavorites is the first level of Super Contra.
It's like as soon as that startsup, it's just like gets you
so pumped up that it's not thethe not the first Contra but super yah.
Um, I mean that's good too, but um Super c just that
first level, like right when youyou like drop into the level and then
like you know, it just startsup, it's like get ready, you
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know, it just has that tensefeeling to it. Yeah, yeah,
I start of speaking about things thatget you pumped up. Like I'm a
huge sucker for orchestral hits and youcan't get any better than any Ninja Turtles
soundtrack. Oh how your Turtles andTimes? Yeah tracks, never thought just
like, I'm just such a fanof anything that's got loud orchestral hits and
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it We've got some gems going onin the livest coming up where Dino has
got some orchestral hits coming up,and I just like turn those up.
I just like that Janet Jackson kindof Jimmie jan Terreo a style of production,
and like, if you ramp thatup like they've given the Ninja Turtles
soundtracks, it's just amazing most ofthe time for video game music, though,
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like I think, out of everybody, I'm probably the most sort of
saga based guy. I never reallyhad a Nintendo growing God, it feels
awful to admit that. Like Icame into Nintendo games and music and stuff
super late, because growing up Ihad a second Gens and that was my
world. You know, I'd bereading the manuals and everything and getting that
was my identity for a good fewyears. I totally get it. I
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mean too, I was. Igrew up on Second Master System. Yeah,
absolutely, And that's got such adistant sound, like next to Little
Chirp. Yeah, that's so likefor me video game music, and like
the stuff that I really love isthe stuff that can really get the best
out of the Second Genesis chips.So I'm talking like Streets of Rage one
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and two the soundtracks by user Cairo, because he's bleeding that chip drive for
everything that it's worth, and he'staking all of his knowledge of house music
and just making the ultimate kind ofsuper cool, kind of sober funk key
like brawler theme. It's just likelike it gets you pumped up, but
it's also got that like laid backcool to it. And he I'm just
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amazed at how he managed to getthis just a quick thing, like I'm
actually on the same soundtrack as that, Like that that was like a mind
blowing moment. Yeah, I'm like, okay, like act Raisers, it's
Rage. We talked about it theother night. I mean, it's funny.
You get us all together for theshow and we spent what we were
up till four in the morning talkingvideo game. This is perfect. Yeah.
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Yeah, so like we've been yeah, thanks to each other, and
it's it's we were talking about likethat Uso Kashiro. It's it's music of
the time, which blows my mind. It's not like he's emulating something.
He's playing what he's what's on theradio at that time. And that's so
crazy to me that he's able tomake hits right that it stands to now,
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like and they're still here still soundtris pressed and violently sound fantastic.
Yeah, and I listen to thatwhen I'm cooking, and yes, it's
cool too. Like everybody has mentionedsongs that I've played on drums, and
that's like it's videos that I've doneor things that I've listened to forever.
And I have a cheat answer,and my answer is the Konami sound team,
because the Konami Sound Team we weretalking like they've done everything. There's
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Metal Gear, Red Alert, likethat Red Alert song is super good.
Gratius too, I've just like starteddigging into because it's like that Famicom So
now I'm listening to it and it'slike there's a hit after hit on that
track. You know, it's reallygood. Killer Instinct is one of them
one. Yeah, the whole KillerInstinct soundtrack, but actually was the first
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game where I remember it coming withthe soundtrack with the CD Killer cuts.
Um yeah yeah, and all differenttypes like full Doors theme has like that,
We're kind of like machine kind ofsound to it. Yeah, clanging
and clanging like a lot of that, and then um, you know a
cinder is like a speed metal one, and then um uh the saber Wolf
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one. I remember that. Itwas like, um, one of the
first things I ever tried to editwith two VCRs at the time was the
horror movie clips set to the saberWolf theme because I just or something.
Yeah that's cool. Yeah, yeah, the organs in there, they're like
all over too. It just startsslow and speeds up. Yeah. And
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that's even wrote some downs, That'swhat I mean. I have some in
my phone, but I'm gonna trynot because it's endless. Another big one
for me, and this is somethingI've returned to forever, and this is
since I had it on Super Nintendo. I'm I like jazz and I'm really
into golf games and every golf gameas a banger, like from start to
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finish, and Pebble Beach Golf,links as Smooth Jazz, Elevator Music,
Bossa Nova and even Funk all onthe same soundtracks. So it's like all
these different things, all these differenttypes from the same composer or a team
of composers, I'm sure you know. And that's that's when I go back
to all the time, Like,um, the soundtrack to any Es Golf,
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it sounds like this. It soundslike sign up for sure. You
didn't that with something? Yeah,of course, yeah, crazy bus,
we got to cover crazy this mighthappen. Don't get too excited. I
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mean kind of stuff that like youwouldn't expect is you know, if you
know, like the NES soundtrack toPictionary or something like that. You know,
just you know, you know,my lore isn't totally a part,
but like legend has, you know, he will write what he wants and
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if you hire him, you're gonnaget what he gives it, like that
Pictionary Manu screen slams. There's apoint like I used to like go to
work on the bus and I'd havethat on repeat just because it just get
pumped up in the morning. Youwouldn't think that picture. Yeah, it's
just out there. But like yeah, dude a solo on the like,
yeah, timpone was from like outerspace, like like the sounds he could
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get with with that much a limitand like what like you know, be
any assid or the whatever you knowsoundtrack and stuff like that. I think
he did that, and like thetechnical mastery of the chip stuff is just
incredible on them. Yeah for sure, Silver Surfer, I think you like
is that Jeff? Wait? Iknow there's like the Dynasty. Yeah,
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okay, well I don't know that. I don't know eat it. I
was asking you maybe they're all thesame. I don't know. Could be,
yeah, could be. It mightbe an easy answer. But like
the entire Street Fighter soundtrack, Ohyeah, and that's one that I've listened
to since it came out right andand everybody's iteration of it or everybody's cover
of it. I eat it allup, like no matter what it is,
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you know, um Chung Lee's board, Like people get super creative because
there's a crowd in background, soyou hear a little ambient noises things like
that, and all of them arejust like blood drivers, right, you
know, get your pumps. SoI like how even the things you wouldn't
expect like the Back to the Futureum any S theme, which I complained
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about previous, So I'm like,what is this, Like this sucks,
you know, and then wed ina million years, I never would have
thought to cover that. But it'sit's it's just one of those ideas that
like Snowball and it's like, yeah, I guess we're doing it. Yeah,
because I think at the time Idid the review, which was like,
you know, fifteen years ago,so I didn't know that it was
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actually Power of Love like sped upuntil I've seen, like you could look
up all different YouTube videos people havesped it up and matched it with the
other song or slowed it down tomake it yeah, not sped it up.
They would slow it down so thatit sounds like the the original.
Um. And that's the idea ofdoing that song. It was like,
well, how about we play Powerof Love by Huey Lewis, but then
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speed it up into where it turnsinto like the any S theme. Yeah,
and also a street Fighter. Itwas just a coincidence that, um,
I mean, I'm not sure itwas a coincidence or it was actually
an influence, but uh that youknow, Mighty Wings, but cheap Trick.
The main riff sounds exactly like theKen theme and street Fire. Yeah,
it's different enough, it's the samesong. Oh yeah, well you
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know it's the best way to putit. Yeah, that one. Whether
it's like yeah, and that soundtrack, I mean, they had to make
music from all over the world,so yeah, I'm sure you have to
look for resources. Oh yeah,Well if that was the soundtrack to the
Guile stage with the plane in theback, you'd be like, Okay,
that's too Maybe just maybe it wasand they were like, wait, this
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is too similar. Let's, youknow, put it on the Ken theme.
So I don't know, just justan idea. Yeah, sometimes when
you write music, um, peoplewill be like okay, I want a
song that sounds like this, andthen you'll show them and they'll say,
Okay, it doesn't sound enough likethat. So maybe it was a situation
like that, right, can youknow? Yeah exactly? Maybe. Yeah.
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Cheap drink. We're queen under pressure. I mean I've always one of
that because like I'm not as advancedon music as you guys. So like
when I when I'm looking at aguitar, like I'm I'm learning a lot,
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like I've played, you know,for a long time with it twenty
years. But I would also playdrums. I would also make movies,
and I'd also do this and thatstuff. I never really focused on it,
but lately I've been doing it alot more, you know, for
the band. And as I've beendoing it, Mark Miller from Sound Theory
Studio dot com has been helping meout, um, you know, learn
some guitar. He's actually sitting overthere by the way. Uh yeah,
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and uh, you know, whenI first picked up a guitar, I'd
always be like, well, howmany things could you really do without repeating
other songs? Because I'm just lookingat how many you know, notes you
could play. So that's what I'mstarting to learn, is like how it
really is this like limitless thing.But at the same time, there's always
going to be something that sounds kindof like something. Yeah, I grew
up like a major slash guy likeI was on the Guns and Roses forums
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back in the early two thousands,and that's the wild West of Guns and
Roses like fandom because he wasn't inthe band anymore, and you had to
decide whether you were going to getin the Buckethead camp. It was amazing.
I can't be too much of afan of Buckethead though, because I
can't play like that. I needI need you to give me a pantatonic
scale and tell me that that's that'smy level of like musical expertise. But
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like I was huge into that.And then I was like, in terms
of like my influences and what Igo for in terms of production, I'm
a big nine inch nails guy.Helps that, you know, to have
another pale guy at the large notesthat throws himself around on stage and maybe
isn't like doesn't have the greatest rangeor something, but but goes for it.
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And I like that. That's myfavorite. And then one of the
one of the things that sort ofgot me into this scene of video game
adjacent um kind of rock hybrid musicis a band from Japan called Politics,
and they're one of my favorite bandsin the world. Um So the point
where my wife and I kind ofhijactor on honeymoon to go and see him
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in Tokyo for their twentyth nivals.So we got married and then just like
fucked off to Tokyo and Sofari sics. It was amazing, so they they
don't necessarily use um, you know, video game synthesizers too much, but
it's very adjacent to that. Andthey did this, like in the mid
two thousands, they did this coverof Suzie Quatre's Wild One, which has
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like a game boy solo in thein the bridge of it. And someone
played that to me in a carand I was like, what is that?
Play a million times? And thisis going to be me now and
I I really just absolutely haven't workedback. Yeah, oh you a question.
I Um, my first concert backafter Quarantine, um, you know
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was Green Day and Weezer and Inoticed, um, singer Weezer his guitar.
He has a strap with like alightning the lightning strap. Is that?
Is that where you got it?I mean possibly, yeah, I
mean the lightning strap's pretty ubiquitous.Like Rivers. Rivers from Weezer is known
really really known for it. Mywife got that for me as a as
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a gift, like because if yougo into like a like a guitar center
or something like that. I don'tknow how often you like browse the wrecks
of guitar straps, but they usuallyeither really really plain or super hideous,
like they'll look like someone's carpet orthey'll be like ten Beatles quotes on it
or something like that. It's like, I like the Beatles, but I
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don't know if I need to wearthis every time something. So the lightning
strap is like this, you know, I think a bunch of people use
it, but like I'm a bigfan of it because it, you know,
looks cool, looks lightning man.But also it's not like, you
know, the plainest thing ever,and like, yeah, I love it.
Oh cool. I like that thesevideos give the opportunity to like just
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um, get some ridiculous stuff thatyou wouldn't normally get. Like with in
the Eye of Tire Electronics video,I use a strap that just has like
bullets, like like a ramble.That's how they know you mean business.
Yeah. I love flashy. SoI mean my druma is a sparkled cat.
It was going to be sparkling nomatter what. The flashier the better.
(31:29):
Putting some glitter on this on thestair talking and then do a story
of inhaling glitter so that you're gonnaplease please please tell that that is a
great story. I don't think Ineed to tell the whole story. But
I did end up getting filmed withglitter in my mouth and I had to
spit it out and it stuck tothe inside of my mouth instead, and
it wasn't great sounds out. It'snot to advise. Yeah, no,
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I tried to regurgitate it, butit wasn't going It didn't go down.
So everything else came up better thanthe cinnamon challenge, GA challenge. I
know about that. Man, whathave we started? Um? But wait,
going back to Buckethead. Yeah,Also this goes in the thing of
flashiness, Like that guy isn't justreally good at guitar, he also does
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like none chuck stuff while he's onstage, and he like does the robot
like pop and lock. Like thatguy is just good at everything and like
to show off that he's good ateverything. He's still anonymous, like he
doesn't you know think so, Butlike I think it's one of those things
where if he's such todd enough,you put it. Yeah good, Yeah,
I mean I'd rather just normal'st Bucketheadand just leave it at that.
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Yeah, what are you hoping forat the end of that role? Oh,
he's just a guy. He's justa guy. Well, that's that's
that's most likely the case. It'snot like he's some other famous guitarist,
which I think everyone's like, ohyeah, yeah, yeah. People thought
he was Paul Gilbert for a while, which like, I don't think that
holds up until but you know,back in the early two thousands of episode
Tough Thing, Paul Gilbert talk bucketheadthough, so I think that's on that
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he taught him and then became him. Yeah, yeah, it's gonna envelope
him. It's a mantle fast It'syea, O favorite are we doing?
Are we could do your favorite drummerif you are? Yea? When it
comes up with drummers, three ofmy big my big three are Danny Carey,
right, I mean incredible, alwaysincredible h Neil part from Rush Yep,
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that's that's probably my number one.And then another big one for me
is a drummer named Ed Shaughnessy.I had chops for probably sick my first,
like you know, as soon asI can grow facial air, because
I would watch his drum videos,him versus Buddy Rich, just doing things
on the late shows and things likethat. He used to wear this big
green opal like necklace. I ateit all up, and that's part of
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the flashiness. I think that's whyI got some of that. But he's
he's just incredible and it's everything.It's jazz, it's rock, it's super
fast, progue kind of feel.So I think I'm a progue guy kind
of, you know, with mydrummer taste. Yeah, well with music,
everyone slowly becomes progue. That's allthat happens. Like we accidentally wrote
a progress. We're accidentally I thoughtyou of having about ten different ideas crammed
(34:07):
into it, like congrats, it'sseven minutes now. But yeah, like
my favorite guitarist and sort of band, I guess Dick Dale. I don't
know if he gets it's so good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's
probably most people know surf music,right, yeah, surf music, but
yeah for the for the pulp fictiontheme. Oh yeah yeah. But like
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surf music is just the mood,you know what I mean. It's like
very specific. But um, heactually plays his guitar upside down and left
handed, and that's how I playso a lot of the way. Yeah.
Also also like Jimi Hendricks, solike it's also huge influence. You
know. What's funny is that Ididn't realize it until a few videos in.
I think I think we were talkingabout one time and then it was
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like, oh that's right. Yeah, like wow, because when I look
at it on camera, I justsee what the guitar looks like when I'm
looking down at it. I'm okay. It didn't strike me as being like
I knew you're a lefty, butI didn't know that it was upside down
clipped around. And then when Irealized that, it was like, oh,
okay, yeah, well it's weird. It kind of makes more musical
sense because all the low notes areon the bottom and the high notes are
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on the top. Right, youknow, yeah, yeah it does.
I mean it sounds backwards to me, but like it's a rumb It sounds
perfect as a cool party trick.You know. It's just like, you
know, put it right handed,and I'm like, oh wait, I'll
just play it upside down and everyone'slike, oh my god, because you
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get a lot of questions going likethat can't be real, especially because you've
been doing your YouTube videos for years. I mean, like I saw James's
YouTube videos before I met him.I saw I saw a flyer for a
DJ gig he was doing a wingrestaurant, Like the week that I moved
to Canada, I was like,I've got to see this guy. And
I saw your YouTube challenge. Youknow, since the beginning, you've been
(35:58):
getting what's going to like he's pretendinghe can't do Yeah, I know people
think you yourself to that way.Yeah. Yeah, So I borrowed my
friends guitar and they were right handed. So that was just the natural progression.
Once I learned that, I'm like, okay, I'm really doing it
wrong. It was too late,you know, like, yeah, that's
how I know your brain was alreadywired for the way. Yeah yeah,
yeah, but yeah, no,I do get a lot of comments and
(36:21):
being like, oh, well he'sjust faking it. Clearly, Well you've
done that. I remember one timeyou had a show where you've done a
video where you because you know,obviously we live in Canada, gets pretty
cold out of that. Yeah,And you did a couple of videos where
you were wearing gloves, yes,and you got a lot of comments,
guy like this is ridiculous, youcan't do that. Was so, and
then you had a show where youI've seen it happen. You put the
gloves on played guitar just to putit to bed. Yeah, yeah,
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I feel it. I didn't putit up because like I wasn't playing the
best on that song, so Ididn't want to be like, okay,
well yeah in the room and acouple of days it's really oh yeah it
was. It was. It was. It was probably really good at the
time, but yeah, you know, but yeah, no, people are
always like, oh, you can'tplay with clubs, and we you totally
can, Like there's no reason whyyou shouldn't. Like, there no reason
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you shouldn't. Yeah, so likeboom, yeah you do you know,
yeah, keys or anything he's wantto talk about really probably Yanni. Yeah
yeah, yeah, he's the man. I like Bernie Worl. He was
in Punkadelic too. He's like,yeah, I'm gonna say that about everyone.
It's just like oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a really good
(37:31):
musician. It's really good. Yeah. They really can play the keyboards,
you know. Yeah that but likewhat makes a good keyboards though, Yeah,
just knowing where to fit your soundand you know, you don't have
to you don't have to be blazingthe whole time. But because like if
you can like actually blend with withother musicians. People don't even notice you
until you start like to really openup, and then it's like, wow,
(37:54):
that sounded great. We just talkedabout that. We were like,
you know, playing playing to theband, right, like we can all
show off, right, and wecan show off all day it's one of
us. But like playing to theband or playing to the song is not
only difficult, but like so rewarding. Yeah, you know once you get
there, so oh for sure.Yeah. One thing, one thing I
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noticed with you playing that I didn'teven think of because you were saying like,
I'm not standing in the right place, yeah right, like during practice,
And I didn't even think that youhave to be standing in a certain
position to like hit some notes.Oh yeah, and I let moving my
feet too. He's got some yeah, yeah, I know. Those are
one of those things you just don'tthink of, just don't even think about.
(38:37):
Yeah, the bottom half years justhere right. Yeah. Tea mentioned
Goblin too. They did One ofthe Dead. I know I know them
from that. Yeah. Yeah,yeah, I did a whole album with
their stuff actually, wow, justcovering hey yeah yeah, well we're doing
covers for now. I'm not knockingcovers. I'm saying I've done it before
(38:58):
too. We do plan at someoriginal stuff eventually, but right now I
think phase one is covers, andwe're gonna like knock a bunch of these
out, so we'll see where itgoes. Yeah, I definitely have some
ideas for some like originals, butlike, you know, yeah, we
all really gotta like sit down.Yeah, we're really excited for a lot
of these these new songs we wantto do. Yeah, my favorite guitar
(39:19):
player is pretty obvious. Yeah,I had to pick one Tony Iomi and
actually I just happened to have myguitar here. Oh yeah, yeah,
this is the cool huh. Sobasically had this set up to sound uh
like Tony Iomi on Master Reality Volumefour Sabbath, Bloody Sabbath, and it's
(39:43):
in the C sharp tuning. Soum, I just really like playing with
that in that tuning because it justfeels like the strings are more relaxed and
uh just the way, you know, just the way it feels is great.
And you know, I mean Ilike to play a lot of the
Master Reality stuff and then sometimes Ijust go on my own tangents and make
shit up. But uh um,yeah, something about the sound that he
(40:05):
got is like so specific and hasbeen emulated so much since, and then
just kind of branched into all thesegenres of like you know, stone or
rock and doom metal or whatever somedesert rock I hear it called. But
it's all this big, big,this whirlwind of genres, and like,
I just love that stuff. Ijust am constantly trying to find more bands
that sound like that, and likethere's like a bunch of them, like
(40:29):
every day I'm finding out like,um, someone called Telekinetic YETI, and
they're really good. Yeah. Yeah, it's like Electric Wizard. There's also
Electric Citizen, and then there's um, there's a been called Egypt. I
mean you hear the sound and allkinds of things, like there's a corrosion
of conformity like an older one.And then uh, you know, Queen's
(40:52):
the Stone Age the Castle from theNortheast. That's like really good that kind
of sound too, The Castle.I'm gonna check that one. I'll check
it out, Yeah, okayus UmI think they're one of the more like
the considered more like one of theoriginal ones. Oh and of course there's
which Finder General, which was likevery they're like they're like the early eighties
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and they were only around for abrief time, and they basically sound just
like Sabbath. Like even the singerhas like an ausy type voice. And
then there's um Orchid that was likeanother one I just found out about him,
Like, oh my god, theyreally sound like Sabbath. I just
love it. I can't get enoughof that stuff. And the fact that
that sound like evolved out of hislike limitations physically, and that he had
(41:34):
to get the heaviest gauge strings andhe had to tune down and he had
to bend the strings a certain waybecause of you know, it's factory accident.
They have to have the bals andstuff on. Like the fact that
that accident sort of funds essentially anentire sound like yeah, you know,
at least influentially or whether he wasthe first person to sort of tune his
guitar or not, Like yeah,like the influence like Compy Denight and just
(41:58):
like the like coincidence of all ofthat and just how it spirals out.
It's just it's incredible. Yeah,And it was his right hand. It's
like these two fingers right like thesetips right here, but he's a lefty,
so he is playing on the stubsof his fingers. Yeah, man,
(42:19):
read his book. In his book, he talks about like how he
created these little like um rubber tipsand he like had to melt down like
some wax or something. And thenthere's something about a jacket, like he
used some leather from it a jacket. He'd rip off these pieces and kind
of use that to like cover itup, and because otherwise the strings would
keep like, you know, flickingoff. He goes into a lot of
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detail, explains like how he youknow, managed to play like when at
the time, you know, whenit happened, he thought his guitar playing
days would be over. But thenthere you go, he could make a
total change and you know, keepdoing what you do. Man, when
people are put in adverse circumstances,it's like they pulled through. You know
what I meant happened. I don'tthink I would stop playing drums. I
figured it out for something. It'sbeen a part of me so long.
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Yeah, just stick, just stickthe sticks and it just gets stick hands
whatever it is, one single pedal, whatever the case. Maybe you know,
just off the top of my head, how do you guys feel a
Pink floid. Oh yeah, I'vebeen looking at it. Yeah, I
wonder what gave me the idea,you know, like that's probably one of
(43:25):
the most influential bands of all time, you know what I mean of amazing
sound as well, right, yeah, just can't beat his phrasing in his
tones, like like since the dawnof time, like every like multi effects
pedal has got like a day ofGilmoll mode. Yeah, anyone may yeah
yeah yeah. And I don't thinkto this day never figured out what is
(43:47):
the sound of Pink Floyd because it'slike it's all different. It's just you
know, the Barrett stuff. It'sway different than like the Gilmore and Roger
Water stuff and then just Gilmore andlike it's it's just so like vast that
it's like Pink Floyd is just notreally like you can't really describe what it
(44:07):
is. Yeah, And to behonest, the first time, I think,
like, um, probably like aroundhigh school, I didn't get Pink
Floyd. I was like I don'treally understand, you know, what's the
deal. And I think the problemwas I was only hearing it on like
the radio. I hear like thesingles isolated from the rest of the album.
But the first time I listened toDark Side of the Moon, you
know, front to back and kindof got the whole like um cinematic journey
(44:30):
that kind of takes you through.It's like, well, this sounds like
a movie soundtrack, like this isand that's great, And that's what appeals
to me about them, because likeI'm a big soundtrack guy, Like I've
recently got to write my first one, and so get the idea of how
that is. FP three is guyfrom Bako coming out soon. That is
I know, you know, thatsort of fades into what would Lays have
(44:51):
become, like the stuff that Ireally love, Like I mean Junk Coppensive,
for example, is someone who directsand composes for his own movies.
Like I've got an entire shelf ofJohn Coffins a record so that I can
bust out at anytime. Like he'sjust such a fantastic composer and now has
a band with his godson and hisson and like they go out and to
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her and it's just like it's that'samazing as some him in New Bolk.
But yeah, going back to theDark Side of the Moon for a second,
Yeah, that's what sold me onPink Floyd. Um, I saw
it the first time. Do youguys know Dark Side of Oz like that.
Yeah, So there's a movie theaterin Toronto that would show that,
and like I was like not listeningto Pink Floyd and I was like,
I don't want to listen to yourhippie music whatever, And like my friends
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has dragged me to it, andI'm like, this is the best thing
I've ever seen. Oh my god. You know. So that's that's what
sold me. And that's been oneof my favorite bands since. Yeah that
Tornado Point. Oh yeah, yeah. Here see the NES version of Dark
Side of the Moon. It's ona NES cartridge, like they put on
a physical cartridge. I think it'scalled I think it's called Moon eight.
(45:57):
Ok. I have a cartridge ofit ended up. Yeah, someone sent
sent it to me like a longtime ago, and basically like it's it
you played on your NES and it'sthe you know, tip tune of the
whole Dark Side of the Moon.But you can use your controller to sort
of isolate instruments when you want,and like, you know, it's it's
that's pretty amazing. That's awesome.Yeah, well, I know what we're
doing after this, I'll be oneBay right say that'd fetch a bit on
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Resett. Yeah that's cool. Allright, Well we're gonna go get ready
for the show. So um,look forward to some of our new songs
and we'll see you later. Thanksfor listening to this episode of the Cinemassacre
podcast. See you next Tuesday.Check out more episodes at cinemassacre dot com
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you know, I'd like to doa little State of the Union address
here on cinema Massacre. October wascertainly a hell of a month for all
of us. James was currently kneedeep writing and getting episode two hundred ready
for the end of November. Episodeone ninety nine, the second part of
(01:29):
the Commodore video, came out theHalloween one. Hope you like that Monster
Madness, as you may know,was you know, a lot of fun
to do. We got that completelyout there. Just took a lot out
of us, but I hope everyonereally enjoyed it. It's great doing again
after all these years. Aside fromthat, me and Kieran are going to
be at Retroworld Expo this weekend inHartford, Connecticut, so come and hang
(01:56):
out with me and Kieren up there, and you know some of the guys
from Hacked the movies and stuff likethat. So yeah, I just wanted
to say hi because I'm not inthis episode. James talks to all the
other guys in rex Viper during TooMany Games weekend when everyone else is busy,
so you know, we're kind oftrading who's busy and who's not.
Next week we should get completely backto schedule with me James and Kieren on
(02:20):
the podcast talking about movies and gamesand all that kind of stuff. So
yeah, good talking to you guys, and see you later. Welcome to
the Cinemassacre podcast. This is arex Viper special edition. We got most
of rex Viper here right now.Let's tell you really quick the origin of
the band, like how this allstarted. So we got together to practice
one time, just to you know, figure out what our sound was going
(02:43):
to be, what we were goingto do, and we rented out this
like this like weird like place thatwas converted from like a warehouse, and
it was just like to get toit, you gotta go through this alley
and there's all this like graffiti andlike you know, Neon signs and broken
glass everywhere, and uh, soyou know, we'll show up and then
we're loading out, um loading inall of our equipment and everything and uh,
(03:07):
you know, we got all ourgear and our amps and everything.
And then all of a sudden,bunch of guys show up and they're wearing
like sunglasses, like even though thisis night, and they're they got like
these colored mohawks, and uh theygot like brass knuckles, and shit,
I'm like brass knuckles, Like isthat even like a thing. And then
(03:28):
then they got like a club withspikes on it, and you know,
like like chains and like you know, um uh fucking uh swords and like,
these guys are gonna kick our ass. They're gonna steal all our gear.
If we're lucky, you know,we'll lose our gear out, you
(03:51):
know, best case scenario. Worstcase scenario, we're gonna lose our lives.
So, you know, we thinkwe're doomed. Then all of a
sudden, this ninja star comes andtakes out the street and in a flash,
I just saw the silhouette of likethis guy. I just stand in
the alley and I heard one ofthe guys just yell, oh shit,
it's Rex Viper and they just ranand we're like, who is Rex Wiper?
(04:13):
Like we didn't have a name forthe band yet, you know,
and we heard that. We're like, boy, like those guys just just
took off like this. Whoever thisguy was was the bane of their existence.
This guy meant business and we nevergot a good look at him or
anything, but we kind of owethe band to him. So we named
the band after Rex Viper. Andnow if we see those guys, they
(04:34):
run screaming like utsunk yea. Thisis so maybe so whoever this guy is
maybe at one of the shows,he might show up and hopefully he's got
our back. Yeah, he isnot the trucker guy from the Big Riggs
(04:58):
review chick. Yeah, yeah,you know. He he's not really a
tough guy. He's actually kind ofinsecure with himself, the Big Riggs guy,
mister Riggs. But his real nameis Bart following you Riggs, but
he doesn't like people to know thatand saying yeah. So he was kind
(05:19):
of like the fictional roadie of theband, and he named himself after the
band, which was named after theguy who was a mystery character at this
point. Um. Now, ofcourse, the real story is this band
was formed out of quarantine in themiddle of twenty twenty. We've we've you
know, gone through some lineups becauseit's very difficult to form a band when
(05:42):
some of you are in America,some of you in Canada, and some
are on the East and West coast. So it's a it's a tricky thing.
It's kind of just a yeah,it's cool that we've managed to get
this all together. So, um, just um introduce everybody here. Um,
if you wanted to go down thetable here, James Harding, Sure,
yeah, from Villainist James Arling fromVillainis that's me. Yeah, So
(06:02):
I've you might be able to tellfrom the accent that I'm not originally from
Canada, but so yeah, Ilive in Toronto. I have been playing
in a Bank of Villainess for sevenyears just with some great friends of mine,
Jilliary and Jaco, And our dealis that we started off kind of
making original Saga Genesis sounding music usinglike the gen MDM, which he can
(06:28):
use to sort of turn the Genesisinto like a MIDI synthesizer. So I
don't know anything about keyboards. Ican't play them, and so the idea
is that I would sort of takeit together and you know, stick some
shit into a piano role and dowhat I can, and then we'd kind
of strap into the roller coaster andjust rock out on top of it.
So we've got keytars and Jill sortof things lead with me and everything.
(06:49):
It's really good fun and kind ofthrough playing that I've met James Ronald over
here, the mester repicd game musichimself, just kind of being through part
of that scene into round now,and we've been very good friends for a
long time, yea and yeah.And so as to the story as to
how I got involved with this,I got a I got a text from
(07:10):
Chans Ronald, maybe a few weeksinto quarantine, and I was I was
in my apartment that had no airconditioning, kind of sweating my balls up.
I just get a text going likedo you want to sing my two
Wings? I said, yeah,sure. I had no context. You're
not the greatest text or in theworld. I just give you whatever.
(07:30):
So often I'll just get a textgoing like do you want to do this?
The answer is really yes, Especiallyat that time, it was definitely
yes because I had nothing to do, and so yeah, screamed my face
off in my bedroom for a bit, and that's how the first song came
about for me. I don't know. Yeah, this is how we get
people into trouble by just being like, hey, do you want to do
this? And now we're in likeplaying a show in Pennsylvania and yeah,
(07:53):
you were saying to me earlier likeyou tend to get people into situations,
and I'm now one of those people. Welcome. Yeah, and he sings
and plays guitar by the way Ido. Yeah. I don't know if
we did I did some guitar ona Power of Love it not Yeah,
Yeah, it was very does Yeah, it was very good guitar for sure.
(08:13):
Yeah. And then going down thetable, uh drums h Brad.
Yes, I'm Grady him in aband currently called eight Bit. We right
before Quarantine went to Australia and anEast Coast tour. It was very cool,
had a very good time there.Came home with tons of plans,
everything to do, and then Quarantinehit so um. After that, I
(08:37):
was kind of stuck at home andstarted I was practicing all the time and
big video game music fan listen toit my whole life, have obsessions with
certain composers. So I started makingInstagram videos and doing little, you know,
one minute clips this here and there, making reels, making different I
GTV on Drumboy Advance and I've beenposting those for the last six months.
(09:00):
And uh, you know, Iwas talking with Adam and Adam said,
you guys were kind of in apinch with a show coming up, and
started talking about practicing possibly with RexViper. Yes. I started nailing those
down and the story was written.So Adam is the UFO guy in case
like anyone's wondering. Yeah, he'sbeen bamed up for this last episode and
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this guy knows too much. That'syeah. Yeah. Oh, by the
way, I wanted to get everybodyhere if possible, but it was just
you know, very difficult. Umso, um, we got most direx
viper here. But uh, youknow, just to give a shout out
to all the other members, peoplewho are in the band, people who
have been in the band. Youknow, we Adam on bass justin doing
backup vocals and the hype man,uh and um Kieran did some keytar on
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the first two songs. Yeah,and uh, Jeff did drums on the
first four songs as well, boththe you know, the recorded version,
and he's in the video as well. Um. And unfortunately he has some
other commitments because drums are the hardestthing when you're in a band, because
you need to have the space youneed to have, like you know,
because he's in a small apartment andeven with electronic drums, it's really loud,
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so he doesn't have time to recordfor us unfortunately, or make it,
you know, fly all the wayto the show because it us up
of all his vacation time for sure. But you know, he's a great
friend of mine and we talked itover and he said, yeah, this
just isn't possible for me right now, you know. He was honest,
and um, you know that's theway it goes in a band. It's
like just you change members out,especially when you're on two different coasts and
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all kinds of you know places.And yeah, when when when former band
I was in had twenty nine members, Oh wow, not not not including
the final members, like that mightbe more than Black Sabbath or like Spinal
Tap, our last drummer. Heexploded, but huge, huge fan on
the backs of Jeff. Two.The drum tracks are incredible. Yeah,
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it's and it's tiger Nuts and it'sit's so much fun to play. Yeah,
So I mean, really great jobout to Jeff on those and I'm
loving it. So yeah, James, oh yeah, there are three genes.
I was gonna say, I'm oneof three James's. And also we're
like sort of like book ending thethings sent a lot of time, little
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people be out of town. Therewill be a quiz at the end of
this. It's nice and easy too, because if I forget somebody's name is
just Yell. James James and upset. Oh sorry, you know someone will
have the ends and we saw himJames from Epic Game Music. I have
a YouTube channel where I do coversof video game music h and also I
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write video game music for a living, So if anyone needs video game music
out there, you know, likeyou know, I'm I'm, I'm I'm
your guy. Uh yeah. SoI got involved with Rex piper By.
I guess you reached out to mefor the Mighty Wings thing, and just
just with the general concept and wewere just putting together who we want for
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this, and like Adam, Ithink was already like he's he's he's sort
of like the core of finding peoplenow, you know what I mean,
Like he's like the rock you knowthat people get. Yeah, but yeah,
and then I asked Harding to dovocals because he said it's like,
get someone who's super good at singing. And I'm like, hmm. We'd
recently had some pretty like heavy karaokenights as well, yeah, like slamming
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out the Bungelby and I can seethe wheels sun and you know yeah yeah,
And I think originally, you know, it was just supposed to be
Mighty Wings for the Top Gun moviethat was coming out, which at this
point still hasn't came out because ofcourse I forgot about it was the original
because we're like, yes, theTop Guns coming out. I think I
remember telling you like, oh,we gotta get this out in time for
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the Top Gun Maverick movie, andthat was going to be made twenty twenty,
wasn't it. Yes, I thinkyeah. I think it was even
delayed from like even before that.I think like twenty nineteen at some point.
I don't know. Yeah, I'msure it's on Wikipedia. Look at
all the release dates for the newTop Gun. It's fun to it.
Yeah, let's see what happens withthat. Oh yeah. And I also
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produce like most of the music,so if anyone has any problems with that,
you can send them to me,please do Yeah. Yeah, James
here puts together like an arrangement andthen we all play to that, we
record our tracks. Well, there'sfeedback everyone sort of like this yeah,
oh absolutely yeah, and then there'slike, you know, a final mix
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at the end of course, sodo you do that as well? Yeah.
It's great for on my end,as this thing, it's like throw
a bunch of fait back out andwe all sort of do this and got
them on the table, And it'dbe great if you did this and then
you just run and we just causethat little bit of suffering feed. Yeah
exactly. No, No, it'sit's it's and I just get to sit
back and enjoy myself and then listento it when it comes in. Yeah,
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it's it's it's my job to takethe ideas that people get and just
stick them in there somehow, right, because like people have so many good
ideas in this band, Like it'scrazy, like we have like this list
of just all these songs we wantto do. It goes on and on
and on, and like you know, we're randomly texting each other, Like
Adam a lot of times he'll textme and be like, Yo, we
should mash this up with this songanyway. Moved the mic over. M
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Hi. I'm Dino and I'm ina band called Cheap Dinosaurs and I play
keyboards, play also play for RexSpiper. Yeah, and I know Adam,
so he kind of asked me todo it. I was just like,
yeah, yeah, Adam knew youfor a long time, and he
knew Brad twenty years years and wewere acquainted like twenty years very strange,
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yeah, surreal. Mm, likewe didn't hang out like a lot,
but we definitely did hang out beforeyou. We did a lot in that
time, though. I think weprobably just don't remember exactly. I mean,
we're probably drinking a lot during thattime. It was Yeah, it
was college. So uh yeah,that was about twenty years ago or more.
Maybe, I don't know, definitelymore now. Yeah, well anyway,
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yes, go on if you havemore, Okay, I don't.
I don't have very much. Youknow, I don't actually have a big
whip. Oh I do write videogame music too, Yeah, yeah you
do. So there's actually two peopleon here at least. There you go.
So the idea of the band issort of like all the game tunes
and training montages that you remember.It's like workout music for nerds, um.
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And uh, you know, sincewe intend to play video game conventions
a lot, you know, we'llbring you some video game music, but
matched with movie nostalgia, um,all those motivational, uplifting songs to to
get you going. But there's alot of video game tunes that we want
to do because we all have,you know, our favorites. And stuff
which just goes on and on.But uh, have we talked about our
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favorite video game soundtracks or your songsin particular, So yeah, I don't
know whoever wants to start, justgo for it, all right, So,
like probably my favorite soundtrack, andalso it's one of the best games
ever just in my opinion. That'sa huge claim. But a Final Fantasy
four, Like you can't look atthis guy already. It's like it's a
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good yeah, but it's it's it'sjust so interesting because like you know,
of course it has that sort ofchip sound that's super Nintendo, but like
it's kind of orchestral, but likethe rhythm of it is sort of like
the drums and base of like arock thing going on. So this sort
of has this driving, you know, low end and then like you know,
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airy themes and stuff like that's justa very interesting, you know thing.
But like you know, you know, we're talking game music. You
know, you can't not say MegaManabout something, right, Like, like
any MegaMan soundtrack is eight out often at worse at worse, yeah for
sure. Yeah, you know,like MegaMan two, three, ten out
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of ten almost like nine point ninepoint eight or whatever. Yeah, yeah,
yeah for sure. Yeah, yeah, I'm not as familiar with Final
Fantasy four I was. I wasall about six, like that's when I
jumped on six, yeah, whichwas three on Superintendent. But uh yeah
yeah yeah that that's one of myfavorites. Actually, the fanfare in three
superb Yeah, like when when youwin that battle, like there's there's some
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funk. Oh yeah, it's good. Yeah yeah yeah, yeah. It's
very cinematic, like it was oneof the first games that I heard that
sounded like this soundtrack could be amovie, you know. Yeah, well
definitely. That's the one where FinalFantasy got like it's footing and voice and
like knew what it was going tobe from from then on, you know
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what I mean. One of myfavorites is the first level of Super Contra.
It's like as soon as that startsup, it's just like gets you
so pumped up that it's not thethe not the first Contra but super yah.
Um, I mean that's good too, but um Super c just that
first level, like right when youyou like drop into the level and then
like you know, it just startsup, it's like get ready, you
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know, it just has that tensefeeling to it. Yeah, yeah,
I start of speaking about things thatget you pumped up. Like I'm a
huge sucker for orchestral hits and youcan't get any better than any Ninja Turtles
soundtrack. Oh how your Turtles andTimes? Yeah tracks, never thought just
like, I'm just such a fanof anything that's got loud orchestral hits and
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it We've got some gems going onin the livest coming up where Dino has
got some orchestral hits coming up,and I just like turn those up.
I just like that Janet Jackson kindof Jimmie jan Terreo a style of production,
and like, if you ramp thatup like they've given the Ninja Turtles
soundtracks, it's just amazing most ofthe time for video game music, though,
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like I think, out of everybody, I'm probably the most sort of
saga based guy. I never reallyhad a Nintendo growing God, it feels
awful to admit that. Like Icame into Nintendo games and music and stuff
super late, because growing up Ihad a second Gens and that was my
world. You know, I'd bereading the manuals and everything and getting that
was my identity for a good fewyears. I totally get it. I
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mean too, I was. Igrew up on Second Master System. Yeah,
absolutely, And that's got such adistant sound, like next to Little
Chirp. Yeah, that's so likefor me video game music, and like
the stuff that I really love isthe stuff that can really get the best
out of the Second Genesis chips.So I'm talking like Streets of Rage one
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and two the soundtracks by user Cairo, because he's bleeding that chip drive for
everything that it's worth, and he'staking all of his knowledge of house music
and just making the ultimate kind ofsuper cool, kind of sober funk key
like brawler theme. It's just likelike it gets you pumped up, but
it's also got that like laid backcool to it. And he I'm just
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amazed at how he managed to getthis just a quick thing, like I'm
actually on the same soundtrack as that, Like that that was like a mind
blowing moment. Yeah, I'm like, okay, like act Raisers, it's
Rage. We talked about it theother night. I mean, it's funny.
You get us all together for theshow and we spent what we were
up till four in the morning talkingvideo game. This is perfect. Yeah.
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Yeah, so like we've been yeah, thanks to each other, and
it's it's we were talking about likethat Uso Kashiro. It's it's music of
the time, which blows my mind. It's not like he's emulating something.
He's playing what he's what's on theradio at that time. And that's so
crazy to me that he's able tomake hits right that it stands to now,
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like and they're still here still soundtris pressed and violently sound fantastic.
Yeah, and I listen to thatwhen I'm cooking, and yes, it's
cool too. Like everybody has mentionedsongs that I've played on drums, and
that's like it's videos that I've doneor things that I've listened to forever.
And I have a cheat answer,and my answer is the Konami sound team,
because the Konami Sound Team we weretalking like they've done everything. There's
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Metal Gear, Red Alert, likethat Red Alert song is super good.
Gratius too, I've just like starteddigging into because it's like that Famicom So
now I'm listening to it and it'slike there's a hit after hit on that
track. You know, it's reallygood. Killer Instinct is one of them
one. Yeah, the whole KillerInstinct soundtrack, but actually was the first
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game where I remember it coming withthe soundtrack with the CD Killer cuts.
Um yeah yeah, and all differenttypes like full Doors theme has like that,
We're kind of like machine kind ofsound to it. Yeah, clanging
and clanging like a lot of that, and then um, you know a
cinder is like a speed metal one, and then um uh the saber Wolf
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one. I remember that. Itwas like, um, one of the
first things I ever tried to editwith two VCRs at the time was the
horror movie clips set to the saberWolf theme because I just or something.
Yeah that's cool. Yeah, yeah, the organs in there, they're like
all over too. It just startsslow and speeds up. Yeah. And
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that's even wrote some downs, That'swhat I mean. I have some in
my phone, but I'm gonna trynot because it's endless. Another big one
for me, and this is somethingI've returned to forever, and this is
since I had it on Super Nintendo. I'm I like jazz and I'm really
into golf games and every golf gameas a banger, like from start to
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finish, and Pebble Beach Golf,links as Smooth Jazz, Elevator Music,
Bossa Nova and even Funk all onthe same soundtracks. So it's like all
these different things, all these differenttypes from the same composer or a team
of composers, I'm sure you know. And that's that's when I go back
to all the time, Like,um, the soundtrack to any Es Golf,
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it sounds like this. It soundslike sign up for sure. You
didn't that with something? Yeah,of course, yeah, crazy bus,
we got to cover crazy this mighthappen. Don't get too excited. I
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mean kind of stuff that like youwouldn't expect is you know, if you
know, like the NES soundtrack toPictionary or something like that. You know,
just you know, you know,my lore isn't totally a part,
but like legend has, you know, he will write what he wants and
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if you hire him, you're gonnaget what he gives it, like that
Pictionary Manu screen slams. There's apoint like I used to like go to
work on the bus and I'd havethat on repeat just because it just get
pumped up in the morning. Youwouldn't think that picture. Yeah, it's
just out there. But like yeah, dude a solo on the like,
yeah, timpone was from like outerspace, like like the sounds he could
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get with with that much a limitand like what like you know, be
any assid or the whatever you knowsoundtrack and stuff like that. I think
he did that, and like thetechnical mastery of the chip stuff is just
incredible on them. Yeah for sure, Silver Surfer, I think you like
is that Jeff? Wait? Iknow there's like the Dynasty. Yeah,
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okay, well I don't know that. I don't know eat it. I
was asking you maybe they're all thesame. I don't know. Could be,
yeah, could be. It mightbe an easy answer. But like
the entire Street Fighter soundtrack, Ohyeah, and that's one that I've listened
to since it came out right andand everybody's iteration of it or everybody's cover
of it. I eat it allup, like no matter what it is,
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you know, um Chung Lee's board, Like people get super creative because
there's a crowd in background, soyou hear a little ambient noises things like
that, and all of them arejust like blood drivers, right, you
know, get your pumps. SoI like how even the things you wouldn't
expect like the Back to the Futureum any S theme, which I complained
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about previous, So I'm like,what is this, Like this sucks,
you know, and then wed ina million years, I never would have
thought to cover that. But it'sit's it's just one of those ideas that
like Snowball and it's like, yeah, I guess we're doing it. Yeah,
because I think at the time Idid the review, which was like,
you know, fifteen years ago,so I didn't know that it was
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actually Power of Love like sped upuntil I've seen, like you could look
up all different YouTube videos people havesped it up and matched it with the
other song or slowed it down tomake it yeah, not sped it up.
They would slow it down so thatit sounds like the the original.
Um. And that's the idea ofdoing that song. It was like,
well, how about we play Powerof Love by Huey Lewis, but then
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speed it up into where it turnsinto like the any S theme. Yeah,
and also a street Fighter. Itwas just a coincidence that, um,
I mean, I'm not sure itwas a coincidence or it was actually
an influence, but uh that youknow, Mighty Wings, but cheap Trick.
The main riff sounds exactly like theKen theme and street Fire. Yeah,
it's different enough, it's the samesong. Oh yeah, well you
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know it's the best way to putit. Yeah, that one. Whether
it's like yeah, and that soundtrack, I mean, they had to make
music from all over the world,so yeah, I'm sure you have to
look for resources. Oh yeah,Well if that was the soundtrack to the
Guile stage with the plane in theback, you'd be like, Okay,
that's too Maybe just maybe it wasand they were like, wait, this
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is too similar. Let's, youknow, put it on the Ken theme.
So I don't know, just justan idea. Yeah, sometimes when
you write music, um, peoplewill be like okay, I want a
song that sounds like this, andthen you'll show them and they'll say,
Okay, it doesn't sound enough likethat. So maybe it was a situation
like that, right, can youknow? Yeah exactly? Maybe. Yeah.
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Cheap drink. We're queen under pressure. I mean I've always one of
that because like I'm not as advancedon music as you guys. So like
when I when I'm looking at aguitar, like I'm I'm learning a lot,
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like I've played, you know,for a long time with it twenty
years. But I would also playdrums. I would also make movies,
and I'd also do this and thatstuff. I never really focused on it,
but lately I've been doing it alot more, you know, for
the band. And as I've beendoing it, Mark Miller from Sound Theory
Studio dot com has been helping meout, um, you know, learn
some guitar. He's actually sitting overthere by the way. Uh yeah,
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and uh, you know, whenI first picked up a guitar, I'd
always be like, well, howmany things could you really do without repeating
other songs? Because I'm just lookingat how many you know, notes you
could play. So that's what I'mstarting to learn, is like how it
really is this like limitless thing.But at the same time, there's always
going to be something that sounds kindof like something. Yeah, I grew
up like a major slash guy likeI was on the Guns and Roses forums
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back in the early two thousands,and that's the wild West of Guns and
Roses like fandom because he wasn't inthe band anymore, and you had to
decide whether you were going to getin the Buckethead camp. It was amazing.
I can't be too much of afan of Buckethead though, because I
can't play like that. I needI need you to give me a pantatonic
scale and tell me that that's that'smy level of like musical expertise. But
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like I was huge into that.And then I was like, in terms
of like my influences and what Igo for in terms of production, I'm
a big nine inch nails guy.Helps that, you know, to have
another pale guy at the large notesthat throws himself around on stage and maybe
isn't like doesn't have the greatest rangeor something, but but goes for it.
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And I like that. That's myfavorite. And then one of the
one of the things that sort ofgot me into this scene of video game
adjacent um kind of rock hybrid musicis a band from Japan called Politics,
and they're one of my favorite bandsin the world. Um So the point
where my wife and I kind ofhijactor on honeymoon to go and see him
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in Tokyo for their twentyth nivals.So we got married and then just like
fucked off to Tokyo and Sofari sics. It was amazing, so they they
don't necessarily use um, you know, video game synthesizers too much, but
it's very adjacent to that. Andthey did this, like in the mid
two thousands, they did this coverof Suzie Quatre's Wild One, which has
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like a game boy solo in thein the bridge of it. And someone
played that to me in a carand I was like, what is that?
Play a million times? And thisis going to be me now and
I I really just absolutely haven't workedback. Yeah, oh you a question.
I Um, my first concert backafter Quarantine, um, you know
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was Green Day and Weezer and Inoticed, um, singer Weezer his guitar.
He has a strap with like alightning the lightning strap. Is that?
Is that where you got it?I mean possibly, yeah, I
mean the lightning strap's pretty ubiquitous.Like Rivers. Rivers from Weezer is known
really really known for it. Mywife got that for me as a as
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a gift, like because if yougo into like a like a guitar center
or something like that. I don'tknow how often you like browse the wrecks
of guitar straps, but they usuallyeither really really plain or super hideous,
like they'll look like someone's carpet orthey'll be like ten Beatles quotes on it
or something like that. It's like, I like the Beatles, but I
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don't know if I need to wearthis every time something. So the lightning
strap is like this, you know, I think a bunch of people use
it, but like I'm a bigfan of it because it, you know,
looks cool, looks lightning man.But also it's not like, you
know, the plainest thing ever,and like, yeah, I love it.
Oh cool. I like that thesevideos give the opportunity to like just
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um, get some ridiculous stuff thatyou wouldn't normally get. Like with in
the Eye of Tire Electronics video,I use a strap that just has like
bullets, like like a ramble.That's how they know you mean business.
Yeah. I love flashy. SoI mean my druma is a sparkled cat.
It was going to be sparkling nomatter what. The flashier the better.
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Putting some glitter on this on thestair talking and then do a story
of inhaling glitter so that you're gonnaplease please please tell that that is a
great story. I don't think Ineed to tell the whole story. But
I did end up getting filmed withglitter in my mouth and I had to
spit it out and it stuck tothe inside of my mouth instead, and
it wasn't great sounds out. It'snot to advise. Yeah, no,
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I tried to regurgitate it, butit wasn't going It didn't go down.
So everything else came up better thanthe cinnamon challenge, GA challenge. I
know about that. Man, whathave we started? Um? But wait,
going back to Buckethead. Yeah,Also this goes in the thing of
flashiness, Like that guy isn't justreally good at guitar, he also does
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like none chuck stuff while he's onstage, and he like does the robot
like pop and lock. Like thatguy is just good at everything and like
to show off that he's good ateverything. He's still anonymous, like he
doesn't you know think so, Butlike I think it's one of those things
where if he's such todd enough,you put it. Yeah good, Yeah,
I mean I'd rather just normal'st Bucketheadand just leave it at that.
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Yeah, what are you hoping forat the end of that role? Oh,
he's just a guy. He's justa guy. Well, that's that's
that's most likely the case. It'snot like he's some other famous guitarist,
which I think everyone's like, ohyeah, yeah, yeah. People thought
he was Paul Gilbert for a while, which like, I don't think that
holds up until but you know,back in the early two thousands of episode
Tough Thing, Paul Gilbert talk bucketheadthough, so I think that's on that
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he taught him and then became him. Yeah, yeah, it's gonna envelope
him. It's a mantle fast It'syea, O favorite are we doing?
Are we could do your favorite drummerif you are? Yea? When it
comes up with drummers, three ofmy big my big three are Danny Carey,
right, I mean incredible, alwaysincredible h Neil part from Rush Yep,
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that's that's probably my number one.And then another big one for me
is a drummer named Ed Shaughnessy.I had chops for probably sick my first,
like you know, as soon asI can grow facial air, because
I would watch his drum videos,him versus Buddy Rich, just doing things
on the late shows and things likethat. He used to wear this big
green opal like necklace. I ateit all up, and that's part of
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the flashiness. I think that's whyI got some of that. But he's
he's just incredible and it's everything.It's jazz, it's rock, it's super
fast, progue kind of feel.So I think I'm a progue guy kind
of, you know, with mydrummer taste. Yeah, well with music,
everyone slowly becomes progue. That's allthat happens. Like we accidentally wrote
a progress. We're accidentally I thoughtyou of having about ten different ideas crammed
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into it, like congrats, it'sseven minutes now. But yeah, like
my favorite guitarist and sort of band, I guess Dick Dale. I don't
know if he gets it's so good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's
probably most people know surf music,right, yeah, surf music, but
yeah for the for the pulp fictiontheme. Oh yeah yeah. But like
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surf music is just the mood,you know what I mean. It's like
very specific. But um, heactually plays his guitar upside down and left
handed, and that's how I playso a lot of the way. Yeah.
Also also like Jimi Hendricks, solike it's also huge influence. You
know. What's funny is that Ididn't realize it until a few videos in.
I think I think we were talkingabout one time and then it was
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like, oh that's right. Yeah, like wow, because when I look
at it on camera, I justsee what the guitar looks like when I'm
looking down at it. I'm okay. It didn't strike me as being like
I knew you're a lefty, butI didn't know that it was upside down
clipped around. And then when Irealized that, it was like, oh,
okay, yeah, well it's weird. It kind of makes more musical
sense because all the low notes areon the bottom and the high notes are
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on the top. Right, youknow, yeah, yeah it does.
I mean it sounds backwards to me, but like it's a rumb It sounds
perfect as a cool party trick.You know. It's just like, you
know, put it right handed,and I'm like, oh wait, I'll
just play it upside down and everyone'slike, oh my god, because you
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get a lot of questions going likethat can't be real, especially because you've
been doing your YouTube videos for years. I mean, like I saw James's
YouTube videos before I met him.I saw I saw a flyer for a
DJ gig he was doing a wingrestaurant, Like the week that I moved
to Canada, I was like,I've got to see this guy. And
I saw your YouTube challenge. Youknow, since the beginning, you've been
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getting what's going to like he's pretendinghe can't do Yeah, I know people
think you yourself to that way.Yeah. Yeah, So I borrowed my
friends guitar and they were right handed. So that was just the natural progression.
Once I learned that, I'm like, okay, I'm really doing it
wrong. It was too late,you know, like, yeah, that's
how I know your brain was alreadywired for the way. Yeah yeah,
yeah, but yeah, no,I do get a lot of comments and
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being like, oh, well he'sjust faking it. Clearly, Well you've
done that. I remember one timeyou had a show where you've done a
video where you because you know,obviously we live in Canada, gets pretty
cold out of that. Yeah,And you did a couple of videos where
you were wearing gloves, yes,and you got a lot of comments,
guy like this is ridiculous, youcan't do that. Was so, and
then you had a show where youI've seen it happen. You put the
gloves on played guitar just to putit to bed. Yeah, yeah,
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I feel it. I didn't putit up because like I wasn't playing the
best on that song, so Ididn't want to be like, okay,
well yeah in the room and acouple of days it's really oh yeah it
was. It was. It was. It was probably really good at the
time, but yeah, you know, but yeah, no, people are
always like, oh, you can'tplay with clubs, and we you totally
can, Like there's no reason whyyou shouldn't. Like, there no reason
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you shouldn't. Yeah, so likeboom, yeah you do you know,
yeah, keys or anything he's wantto talk about really probably Yanni. Yeah
yeah, yeah, he's the man. I like Bernie Worl. He was
in Punkadelic too. He's like,yeah, I'm gonna say that about everyone.
It's just like oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a really good
(37:31):
musician. It's really good. Yeah. They really can play the keyboards,
you know. Yeah that but likewhat makes a good keyboards though, Yeah,
just knowing where to fit your soundand you know, you don't have
to you don't have to be blazingthe whole time. But because like if
you can like actually blend with withother musicians. People don't even notice you
until you start like to really openup, and then it's like, wow,
(37:54):
that sounded great. We just talkedabout that. We were like,
you know, playing playing to theband, right, like we can all
show off, right, and wecan show off all day it's one of
us. But like playing to theband or playing to the song is not
only difficult, but like so rewarding. Yeah, you know once you get
there, so oh for sure.Yeah. One thing, one thing I
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noticed with you playing that I didn'teven think of because you were saying like,
I'm not standing in the right place, yeah right, like during practice,
And I didn't even think that youhave to be standing in a certain
position to like hit some notes.Oh yeah, and I let moving my
feet too. He's got some yeah, yeah, I know. Those are
one of those things you just don'tthink of, just don't even think about.
(38:37):
Yeah, the bottom half years justhere right. Yeah. Tea mentioned
Goblin too. They did One ofthe Dead. I know I know them
from that. Yeah. Yeah,yeah, I did a whole album with
their stuff actually, wow, justcovering hey yeah yeah, well we're doing
covers for now. I'm not knockingcovers. I'm saying I've done it before
(38:58):
too. We do plan at someoriginal stuff eventually, but right now I
think phase one is covers, andwe're gonna like knock a bunch of these
out, so we'll see where itgoes. Yeah, I definitely have some
ideas for some like originals, butlike, you know, yeah, we
all really gotta like sit down.Yeah, we're really excited for a lot
of these these new songs we wantto do. Yeah, my favorite guitar
(39:19):
player is pretty obvious. Yeah,I had to pick one Tony Iomi and
actually I just happened to have myguitar here. Oh yeah, yeah,
this is the cool huh. Sobasically had this set up to sound uh
like Tony Iomi on Master Reality Volumefour Sabbath, Bloody Sabbath, and it's
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in the C sharp tuning. Soum, I just really like playing with
that in that tuning because it justfeels like the strings are more relaxed and
uh just the way, you know, just the way it feels is great.
And you know, I mean Ilike to play a lot of the
Master Reality stuff and then sometimes Ijust go on my own tangents and make
shit up. But uh um,yeah, something about the sound that he
(40:05):
got is like so specific and hasbeen emulated so much since, and then
just kind of branched into all thesegenres of like you know, stone or
rock and doom metal or whatever somedesert rock I hear it called. But
it's all this big, big,this whirlwind of genres, and like,
I just love that stuff. Ijust am constantly trying to find more bands
that sound like that, and likethere's like a bunch of them, like
(40:29):
every day I'm finding out like,um, someone called Telekinetic YETI, and
they're really good. Yeah. Yeah, it's like Electric Wizard. There's also
Electric Citizen, and then there's um, there's a been called Egypt. I
mean you hear the sound and allkinds of things, like there's a corrosion
of conformity like an older one.And then uh, you know, Queen's
(40:52):
the Stone Age the Castle from theNortheast. That's like really good that kind
of sound too, The Castle.I'm gonna check that one. I'll check
it out, Yeah, okayus UmI think they're one of the more like
the considered more like one of theoriginal ones. Oh and of course there's
which Finder General, which was likevery they're like they're like the early eighties
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and they were only around for abrief time, and they basically sound just
like Sabbath. Like even the singerhas like an ausy type voice. And
then there's um Orchid that was likeanother one I just found out about him,
Like, oh my god, theyreally sound like Sabbath. I just
love it. I can't get enoughof that stuff. And the fact that
that sound like evolved out of hislike limitations physically, and that he had
(41:34):
to get the heaviest gauge strings andhe had to tune down and he had
to bend the strings a certain waybecause of you know, it's factory accident.
They have to have the bals andstuff on. Like the fact that
that accident sort of funds essentially anentire sound like yeah, you know,
at least influentially or whether he wasthe first person to sort of tune his
guitar or not, Like yeah,like the influence like Compy Denight and just
(41:58):
like the like coincidence of all ofthat and just how it spirals out.
It's just it's incredible. Yeah,And it was his right hand. It's
like these two fingers right like thesetips right here, but he's a lefty,
so he is playing on the stubsof his fingers. Yeah, man,
(42:19):
read his book. In his book, he talks about like how he
created these little like um rubber tipsand he like had to melt down like
some wax or something. And thenthere's something about a jacket, like he
used some leather from it a jacket. He'd rip off these pieces and kind
of use that to like cover itup, and because otherwise the strings would
keep like, you know, flickingoff. He goes into a lot of
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detail, explains like how he youknow, managed to play like when at
the time, you know, whenit happened, he thought his guitar playing
days would be over. But thenthere you go, he could make a
total change and you know, keepdoing what you do. Man, when
people are put in adverse circumstances,it's like they pulled through. You know
what I meant happened. I don'tthink I would stop playing drums. I
figured it out for something. It'sbeen a part of me so long.
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Yeah, just stick, just stickthe sticks and it just gets stick hands
whatever it is, one single pedal, whatever the case. Maybe you know,
just off the top of my head, how do you guys feel a
Pink floid. Oh yeah, I'vebeen looking at it. Yeah, I
wonder what gave me the idea,you know, like that's probably one of
(43:25):
the most influential bands of all time, you know what I mean of amazing
sound as well, right, yeah, just can't beat his phrasing in his
tones, like like since the dawnof time, like every like multi effects
pedal has got like a day ofGilmoll mode. Yeah, anyone may yeah
yeah yeah. And I don't thinkto this day never figured out what is
(43:47):
the sound of Pink Floyd because it'slike it's all different. It's just you
know, the Barrett stuff. It'sway different than like the Gilmore and Roger
Water stuff and then just Gilmore andlike it's it's just so like vast that
it's like Pink Floyd is just notreally like you can't really describe what it
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is. Yeah, And to behonest, the first time, I think,
like, um, probably like aroundhigh school, I didn't get Pink
Floyd. I was like I don'treally understand, you know, what's the
deal. And I think the problemwas I was only hearing it on like
the radio. I hear like thesingles isolated from the rest of the album.
But the first time I listened toDark Side of the Moon, you
know, front to back and kindof got the whole like um cinematic journey
(44:30):
that kind of takes you through.It's like, well, this sounds like
a movie soundtrack, like this isand that's great, And that's what appeals
to me about them, because likeI'm a big soundtrack guy, Like I've
recently got to write my first one, and so get the idea of how
that is. FP three is guyfrom Bako coming out soon. That is
I know, you know, thatsort of fades into what would Lays have
(44:51):
become, like the stuff that Ireally love, Like I mean Junk Coppensive,
for example, is someone who directsand composes for his own movies.
Like I've got an entire shelf ofJohn Coffins a record so that I can
bust out at anytime. Like he'sjust such a fantastic composer and now has
a band with his godson and hisson and like they go out and to
(45:12):
her and it's just like it's that'samazing as some him in New Bolk.
But yeah, going back to theDark Side of the Moon for a second,
Yeah, that's what sold me onPink Floyd. Um, I saw
it the first time. Do youguys know Dark Side of Oz like that.
Yeah, So there's a movie theaterin Toronto that would show that,
and like I was like not listeningto Pink Floyd and I was like,
I don't want to listen to yourhippie music whatever, And like my friends
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has dragged me to it, andI'm like, this is the best thing
I've ever seen. Oh my god. You know. So that's that's what
sold me. And that's been oneof my favorite bands since. Yeah that
Tornado Point. Oh yeah, yeah. Here see the NES version of Dark
Side of the Moon. It's ona NES cartridge, like they put on
a physical cartridge. I think it'scalled I think it's called Moon eight.
(45:57):
Ok. I have a cartridge ofit ended up. Yeah, someone sent
sent it to me like a longtime ago, and basically like it's it
you played on your NES and it'sthe you know, tip tune of the
whole Dark Side of the Moon.But you can use your controller to sort
of isolate instruments when you want,and like, you know, it's it's
that's pretty amazing. That's awesome.Yeah, well, I know what we're
doing after this, I'll be oneBay right say that'd fetch a bit on
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Resett. Yeah that's cool. Allright, Well we're gonna go get ready
for the show. So um,look forward to some of our new songs
and we'll see you later. Thanksfor listening to this episode of the Cinemassacre
podcast. See you next Tuesday.Check out more episodes at cinemassacre dot com
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