Clash Of Champions Presents Hulk Hogan Dies At 71, Rushed Summerslam Build, Fully Loaded 1999 Wrestling Review Rewind

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yo, yo, what's going on in my fellow wrestling fans.
Welcome to a brand new week, and welcome to a
very bittersweet edition of what we like to call the
Clash of Champions, where we dive head first into all
the controversy, storylines, personalities, and in this case, unfortunate deaths
that center around this world we know and love as
professional wrestling. I am your host, the vegan, you believe in,

(00:23):
Conscious Curt aka ker Gpt and the Flesh as always,
and my co host needs no introduction, but the hell
with it, He's going to give you all one anyway.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
That's right, ladies and gentlemen. This is Jonathan Randall the
Adventure himself, and welcome to our special edition of our
wrestling rewind recap. We'll be going back to July nineteen
ninety nine reviewing Fully Loaded nineteen ninety nine, which took
place in Buffalo, New York. But before we get into that,
we do have wrestling news to jump ahead this past week.

(00:56):
But unfortunately this weekend, I'm sorry, this whole week has
been pretty tragic, especially earlier this morning.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yes, we've had some weird celebrity deaths take place this week,
which included Malcolm Jamal Warner from The Cosby Show passed
away on Monday. Also, legendary rock and roll artist Ozzie
Osbourne died on Tuesday. And then the wrestling related one
and possibly arguably the biggest one of them all. This morning,
the news came out that Whole Coogan aka Terry Balaya

(01:26):
passed away at his home in Florida of cardiac arrest
at seventy one years old.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yeah, as it was reported, he had cardiac arrests and
they tried to rush him to the hospital, but as
soon as they got there it was too late to
save him. Seventy one years old. And yes, this is
a very tragic and shocking passing.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
Yeah, it's very shocking.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
It still hasn't really hit me yet because I was
like scoring through my Facebook and I saw somebody post
saying that first Malcolm Jamal Warner, then as the Osbourn
now Hulk Hogan.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
I'm like, no, it can't be, it can't be.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
And then I'm scrolling up on Facebook and I even
checked Google and whatnot, and it was all there, Hogan's
passed away.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yeah. I was the same way too, you know. I
found out on social media It's kind of like similar
when when Kobe passed away a few years ago, didn't
believe it was I thought I was like a hoax
or something like that, but I had to verify and
double check, and yeah it was true. And this is
very shocking. I mean, we had a lot of deaths
in the world of wrestling, but this one right here.

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Not saying everyone everybody else in the past didn't hit,
but this one. It's Hulk Hogan, you know. And despite
of what a lot of people may think of him,
especially over the past few years, what he has did
and said, you cannot deny the fact as a wrestler,

(02:57):
he was an icon. He is a legend, and he
like an impact on professional wrestling. Professional wrestling will not
be here as today if it wasn't for him. There's
no denying that.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
And you know what's the weird part of this. Today
is the ten year anniversary of when the whole racist
story came out, when like the whole audio got leaked
and all that went down. Today's the ten year anniversary
of that.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Wow, did not know that?

Speaker 1 (03:21):
Yeah, it's crazy, and yeah that was like a huge
black guy to his legacy. I think it's one of
those things that people like never really forgave him for.
And it's understandable, and it's not even just that. It's
like a lot of other things he's done over the
years that we've heard about that he's even admitted himself
that kind of made you less of a fan than
you were of his initially. But regardless of that, regardless

(03:42):
of the personal feelings you feel towards him, myself included,
you're lying to yourself if you say that he wasn't
one of the main reasons that wrestling became mainstream, became popular,
And you'd also be lying to yourself if you said
that he wasn't the reason many of you became a
fan in the first place. I know myself, when I
first started watching wrestling in nineteen ninety four, one of

(04:03):
the main people I gravitated towards that I adored was
Hulk Hogan. It was just different with him, just that personality,
that larger than life persona, the yellow and red, the
ripping of the shirt, the real American theme song, the posing.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
Yeah, there was just nothing like it.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
And as a little kid, as an eight year old kid,
I ate it all up and Yeah, for years, he
was one of my favorites and one of the people
I just really honestly looked up to and looked at
as like the example of what to be. I mean,
I know in years that passed beyond that, I learned
things about him that maybe, you know, not look at
him the same way. But those childhood memories, especially when

(04:41):
I first discovered wrestling and first discovered Hogan specifically, I
can't ever let those go. I can't ever forget those.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
Yeah, there's no denying in that, absolutely, you know, because
you're right, you would be lying to yourself if he
did not leave an impact on it. Especially I mean
no offense, Kurt. I mean at your age or older,
you know, who was the first guy who was the
first icon in your life that in wrestling? You know,

(05:08):
Hulk Hogan to me, started that trend of superstardom in
professional wrestling. Their area, their their fan base, just something
about them that just makes everything you know good. You know,
was Hulk Hogan, and it led to you know, Stone

(05:29):
Cold and then The Rock, John Zena, so on so
far so and you know, when I first started watching
Professor professional wrestling, you know, Hulk Hogan was a bad guy.
He was in the nWo, but he was still popular though.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
Yeah, he was the figurehead behind two big wrestling booms,
the one in the eighties with the whole Comania run
and then in the nineties with the whole nWo run.
And he did one as a good guy and one
is a bad guy. That is unheard of. Yeah, yeah,
that aighties run. Especially, he was one of the most
famous people on earth. Like with Michael Jackson, with Prince,

(06:08):
with Whitney Houston, Madonna, all the Magic Johnson, all the
people who were famous during that time frame, Hulk Hogan
you could throw into.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
That mix to that dude was everywhere.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
And without Hogan, without Hogan becoming mainstream and blowing up
the way he did and helping wrestling blow up the
way it did, there's no Attitude Era, There's no Stone Coat,
Steve Roston blowing up and becoming as big as he did,
the Rock, John Cena, anybody else down the line. Hulk
Hogan was the first one who really had that crossover appeal.
And regardless of whether you like to do it or not,

(06:41):
you have to give flowers and you have to give
props where it's due.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Thank you, And as a wrestling fan, you have to.
And like I said alluded to earlier, he is the
one who started that trend of superstardom in the business.
And also, like you're right, Hulk Hogan was everywhere. You know,
he was that guy where. Man, this guy's so big
and popular, he could be used everywhere, and you didn't

(07:07):
have to be a wrestling fan to know who he was.
Non wrestling fans, I guarantee you in the eighties, you know, oh,
I don't watch wrestling, but I know who hul Covid is.
You saw him everywhere, not just in the ring, but
also in movies. You know, his his little short you

(07:28):
know that he had in Rocky three. That was and
this was before he got there, but you look back
at it, that was like, oh my god, you know
what I mean. And then he was everywhere man, and
he started that, and you have to give him his
respect and his flowers. I've been hearing a lot of people,
some people on social media, mainly Twitter, talking about like, oh,

(07:49):
you know, he deserves to die and all that. Look,
I don't condonet. I don't support them wishing death on
somebody or being happy that somebody died. It's a bit
too much to be saying something like that, But I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
Look, I have n't been the biggest fan of him
in the last I would say decade or so. I
even wrote a dis to him last year that I
posted all over my social media. Yeah, I have not
been shy on this show to talk about my feelings
about Hull Hogan in recent years. But with that aside,
even if you don't like somebody personally, and even if
they were a horrible person, to be happy that they died,

(08:26):
to celebrate that they died, that speaks every bit as
poorly on your part by saying those kind of things,
And like celebrating the death of someone else, you're not
any better than the person who's death you're celebrating.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah, And whether.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
That's Hull Hogan, I'm sorry, whether that's Hull Cogan, whether
that's Trump, any evil person or horrible person that's ever lived,
to ever like celebrating be happy that somebody died, That
is a bad look. I don't care what anyone thinks
of me for saying that.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
I mean that this is a very bad look. I agree, man.
Look like I said, Man, he hasn't come off in
the right way. You know, past you know, like ten
years or so. But as the wrestler, you cannot deny
the fact what he's did for his business, you cannot.
And just so many, just great moments. Man, I don't

(09:14):
even know where to begin. You could go back to
he cann't leave. You know, he was like one of
the founders of WrestleMania. You can say that he was, yeah,
one of them.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
The first pretty much eight to nine WrestleManias were built
around him.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
Yeah, like when you think of like those godfathers, those
people who like WrestleMania was famous for, it's Hogan, it's Sean,
it's Undertaker, it's macho man, Austin Rock.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
Yeah, but Hogan was the first one.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
And let's not forget the one more important thing that
a wrestler needs on how popular they are. You know,
that is the hit factor, not just that. Oh yeah,
it goes without saying, my god, he before Stone holds
the Austin was like the top seller merchandise because he
was the one who surpassed Hogan, right, Hogan's merchandise at

(10:06):
that time.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
Whoa you watched those shows from back then, the whole
crowd is filled with people wearing Hogan shirts. Hulk rules shirts,
Hogan bandanas, Hogan foam fingers, you name it.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Just and you know, I was watching a clip from
Russell Many eighteen when Hogan kicked out from the rock
bottom and just hearing that crowd just erupted like that,
that it just it gave me it. To this day,
he still gives me goosebumps. Because Hogan was a bad guy,
but he got a babyface reaction that's unheard of. I

(10:45):
did not expect that. I know, you did it, and
nobody else did. That's how popular and how much the
fans loved this guy, good or bad. They still love
this man. This was their first or you know, this
is what I remember. I remember Jerry Lawler during that
match said that Hogan was like the Bay Roof of wrestling.

(11:06):
I was like, I agree with that.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
Yeah, you can't argue that at all. And just those
reactions he would get, especially like back in the peak
of the whole Comania era, it was electric. Yeah, I
told you, Like there were other stars of that era.
There was Macho Man, there was Ultimate Warrior, there was
Roddy Piper, There's Andrew the Giant, all those people, but
it was just different with Hogan. Like they liked and

(11:32):
even loved those other guys, but they adored Paul Hogan.
You just had that connection with Hogan, especially when you
were a kid, that you did not have with anybody else,
and that was one of the things that was so
special about him.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah, and that's as a wrestler, that's one of the
things you need to hit on. You need to have
the connection with the crowd. And that was one of
the things that Hogan was really good at, connecting with
the crowd, not just in his matches, but also in
his promos. What was the biggest things? What was like
the biggest things that he was all the saying eat
your vitamins and say you prayers, you know, like yeah,

(12:08):
that that would be by yourself motivating, and especially as
a kid during that time, you're just like, oh my God,
like I want to you know, eat my vitins, I
want to say my prayers. I want to train and
eat healthy and be like this guy, you know what
I mean, because he's just you know, look at this guy.
You know.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yeah, I remember they did that Hogan DVD a couple
of years ago. They like showed him like signing autographs
to this one place and literally some of the fans
that would go up to him, they would start crying
and just say that they, you know, stayed out of
gangs because of him, They didn't do drugs because of him.
Like he was legit, like their hero and like their
role model in a sense. Whether or not he was
that way in real life, that's another story. But just

(12:47):
that image of Hogan growing up, he just made you
want to be a better person, even if maybe he
wasn't that same person himself. Sometimes, Yeah, but it is complicated,
I will admit like it. At the end of the day,
it still is complicated. I mean I don't feel the
same sadness that I felt, you know, when Macho Man

(13:07):
passed away or others passed away. But at the same time,
I still do feel this loss, Like, especially as a
long time wrestling wrestling fan, this loss really hits different
in a way that no other death of any other
wrestler has.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
Yeah, especially if you're like a big fan of him
growing up, This really is hard, you know what I mean?
Especially you know if that was that person who you
visit the reason why I've gotten a professional wrestling because
of him. If you feel that way, then yeah, you
know but like I said, it is it's a mixed

(13:42):
reaction right now going on. You know, you have half
the people are saying how you know, are sadden? And
then you have the other half where like, you know what,
I don't care if you pass away or I'm glad
he's gone and all that blah blah blah. It's just
it's mixed.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
Yeah, and it's so it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
His last ever appearance on ww television will always be
remembered for that night of the Raw debut on Netflix
in La where he just got booed out of the building.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
Yeah, and even that even that they were talking, like
even like outside news sources were even talking about it,
you know, and we kind of, you know, we blew
it off of like, hey, you know, you don't know
what's going on, but this is the reason why he's
getting that reaction, and you guys are kind of like
making the big deal of it because of who he is.

(14:31):
And you fast forward now and look what's happened now.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
So it's yeah, it's sad. Yeah, it's really sad.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
And it's yeah, it's unfortunate that that's gonna be your
last memory of Hogan on WWETV was that and unfortunately,
I hate to say it, he did that to himself.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
Yeah I know. I mean, look, I'm not gonna justify
for what he did. And yeah, what he did was wrong.
Yeah you can't. You can't erase that, you can't. But
I'm just looking more on When I think of Hulk Hogan,
I try not to think about that. I try to
look at him and think of what he did for
us as a wrestling fans, what he did for the business,

(15:08):
you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
So it's complicated, but I try to look at both
sides of it. That's the way I try to look
at it. If you're gonna look at all the good,
it's someone, and you know, acknowledge all the good in someone,
you also have to acknowledge the bad. And yeah, those
bad things, admittedly they are just things I can't forget about.
But with that aside, I'll never forget those great memories
I had of Hogan when I first became a fan

(15:30):
in eight years old. All the great memorable angles and
matches he was a part of that I've enjoyed throughout
my years of being a fan, whether it was WrestleMania One,
whether it was the bodystem, the Andree at WrestleMania three,
the whole Makeupower storyline with Savage, the Ultimate Challenge with
Ultimate Boy at WrestleMania six, and Crazy Enough even though
he lost, That's one of my favorite matches and memories

(15:52):
of Hogan period.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Oh yeah, that was and him. You know, I look,
I wasn't born right, but four years old. I can't
imagine or edge Adam Copeland was at Russell Many six.
I can imagine if you're a whok with maniac that age,
seeing your Rustler lose. I know that was pretty much
like very just heartbreaking, devastating.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
Oh yeah, definitely. And then the Earthquake storyline that followed that,
where like Earthquake put him out and he got like
mad fans supporting mad fan letters like wishing for him
to come back. Yeah, it was crazy, man, Yeah, they
just That's like when you knew that Hogan was the
bigger star than Warrior, because as much as people liked Warrior,
he would not get that kind of reaction from the

(16:35):
fans that Hogan did, or have that kind of connection
with the fans that Hogan did. And then obviously he
went to WCW. It was kind of a little slow
for the first few years, but then when he turned
and formed the nWo, when that whole thing blew up. Yeah,
it was crazy. It was you hated him, you like,
you were like mad at him for turning. You were
mad at him for you know, doing what he was doing.

(16:58):
But admittedly it was the started like a huge wrestling
boom and probably the biggest wrestling boom there's been, at
least in my lifetime being a fan. Yeah, just Hogan
being a bad guy that will nWo run. It was
out of this world, out.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Of this damn world, and it was something that the
wrestling and rather it was WCW or WWF at the time,
it was something that it needed, Yeah, and it was
much needed. It was breaking away from old traditions from
the eighties and you're coming into new generation, new decade,

(17:30):
new time. Things needed to be different. And you would
think that Hogan turning Battle was going to be a
bad business decision. It was not. Financially and viewership wise,
his business wise, it was like the best decision that
that was ever made in wrestling.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
Because of that, Yeah, and he was a great heel
from that night he turned into that promo in the
ring and all the people were throwing garbage.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
You were like, damn, this is really gonna be big.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
And he did that role for like a good two
three years or so, and he had like Dennis Rodman
as his tag team part of a one point and Yeah,
he spray painted the belt with the nWo letters. Yeah,
he was running roughshot. Yeah, he was a great heel.
He was a great heel during that period.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
I'll never deny that.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
And then he had a nostalgia running WW like in
the early two thousands when he had the match with
Rocket WrestleMania. He had that one last title reign that
went on for like a month, and then he had
like the match with Danc at WrestleMania nineteen, he had
the great feud with Sean. Yeah, he had a good
run of the two thousands too. But then after that,
obviously things took a turn and then a lot of
his personal stuff started to come out.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
He had the reality show.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
A lot more of that came out too from that,
and then obviously the racist ran the Racist Rant is
probably the biggest black guy on his legacy more than
anything else.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
Yeah, man, And not only that though, but like I
think ever since that, I've noticed that, like during that
time up until now, it was like his family was
just under a lot of scrutiny too, you know, his
wife or his ex wife, you know, his ex wife,
his daughter even in like his son was in some
certain troubles at certain times, you know.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
And yeah, that was another thing that kind of made
him come off bad. Was like when his son got
put in jail for that incident where he crashed the
car and like the person who was in the passenger
seat turned into a vegetable pretty much for the rest
of his life. There was like audio release of Hogan
talking to his son on the floor is saying that
it was probably God's work because that dude had like
a bad aura to him. So was karma coming back

(19:28):
to him. And I think could use all that material
for the reality show the pop ratings. Yeah, that wasn't
a good look. That did not make him come off
for at allow not to mention the Wrestler's Union, how
he rated out Jesse Bnser for the whole Wrestler's Union thing,
all the times he didn't want to lose that, Like
the Brett Hart story. We talked about him the show before. Yeah,
there are a lot of black guys on Hogan's legacy.

(19:50):
There's a lot of things that he did throughout his
years that really charnished his legacy and like made you
less of a fan of his. And it's sad, it's unfortunate,
but that's some unfortunate reality of the situation.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Not only that, let's not forget about his feud with
Shawn Michaels as gray as that build up was. Like
I remember years ago when I, you know, when I
was watching Sean Michael's documentary about what transpired and to
lead up to it kind of rubbed me off the
wrong way when I heard like the true story behind that.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
Yeah, just things like that that made you kind of
look at him differently and say like you're, yeah, right,
you're like this dude is and who I thought he was.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Yeah, that's how Sean felt. It was kind of like
wait a minute, Like he doesn't want to like he
just wants to do a heel for his baby face,
and well, you know, I don't want to do this
and do that, and kind of like, huh, that's why
Sean overselled remember to approve a point with To this day,

(20:49):
somebody commented on Twitter saying, I'm going to watch SummerSlam
two thousand and five, if you know, you know, And
I was like, oh, yeah, I know.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
Oh man, Yeah, Like I said, it's complicated.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
Man.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
There's the good side of it, from like the memorable
moments and matters he was a part of, and in
many ways while he became a fan. But there's also
the dark side of it of all of his politiking,
his racist rants, like his issues with his family, like
you know, him his daughter not wanting to talk to him,
or his ex wife, and also the Trump supporting recently

(21:22):
openly supporting Trump and being on Fox News and like
ripping off his shirt and it says make America great again. Underneath, yeah,
like a lot of that stuff obviously like made you
look at him differently too. But and closing, I'll say this, Unfortunately,
when we get older, we start to see that our heroes,
the people we look up to idolizing, whether it's wrestlers

(21:44):
in this case, or actors or musicians, athletes, whoever it is. Unfortunately,
we learn that a lot of them maybe aren't the
heroes or maybe the good people that we thought they were,
and it does kind of tarnish our feelings towards him
and tarnish our fandom towards them. And while it's you know,
understandable and it's fair to you know, hold them accountable
for those things and maybe not be as much of

(22:07):
a fan of them for those things, it's also okay
to hold on to those good memories you did have
of them, whether you were at a concert enjoying their show,
or whether you were watching a game of theirs with
your family or with your friends, and like the great
memories you have of that, or maybe the great moment
shoot or great memories you had of watching Hu Cogan
and WrestleMania or w Cogan and WCW during the nWo run. Yeah,

(22:30):
like both of those things.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
Can be true.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
Like both of those things you can still hold on to,
and both of those things you can still you know,
view that person as whether it's the good side the
bad side, you don't have to pick one or the other.
So I'll say, is a long time Hogan fan. It
is complicated, it is weird. It still hasn't really fully
hit me yet that he's dead.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
But I'll always cherish, I'll always.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
Have good feelings of those good memories that I gained
from watching Hogan throughout my wrestling, fandom, those things out
I can never forget.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
I can never let go and.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
For what he contributed to wrestling, For what he did
for wrestling, to make it mainstream and make it popular,
and to make people like you and I become fans
and have a podcast in the first place. He won't
ever and I sincerely mean this, for better or worse,
he is somebody who won't ever be forgotten. And in
my life I will never forget. Condolences to his family

(23:31):
same pace.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
My conclusion to this not just for Hogan, but just
in general. We all have heroes and idols that we
look up to, not just in wrestling, but you know,
it could be an athlete, musician, or even a movie
start in Hollywood. Yeah, we all have people that we
look up to in the door and cherish, and we

(23:53):
don't never take those for granted because there's a reason
why we look up to them and we never want
to forget them. And I think the biggest thing is
that we what we learned from them to motivate us
in life. That's you know, for one thing. Yeah, it
is mixed emotions. And like I said before, regardless of

(24:17):
how you felt about him, you know, especially what he's
done over the past ten years. Just you cannot forget
about what he's did lasting in an impact, you know,
for us rustling fans, because I'm telling you without him,
and I and I mean this, without him, professional Russell

(24:39):
would not be here big as it is if it
wasn't for him, it really wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
Without him, there's no WrestleMania, there's no Summer Slam, there's
no Monday Night Raw, there's no Money Night Raw on Netflix.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
Without him, we don't have wrestling as popular as it's
become in these last forty years.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
And not only that, let's not forget Let's just say,
if Hogan ever turned heel in WCW, there will be
no Monday Night Wars.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
Yeah, no Monday Night Wars, no Attitude Era, no Stone Cold,
no Rock d X.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
The nWo was the catalyst for all that.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Yeah. And I'll go back to what Jerry Lawler said
back at wressell Man eighteen and guys, if you guys
are listening, go back and watch that match. If there's
any if I had to like, if there was like
a top ten or top five lists of Hulk Hogan matches.

(25:36):
Literally that is like top five. Oh yeah, no, watch
that match, no question about it. Pay close attentions to
what Jr. And Jerry King Lawler is saying during that match.
Even Jerry R. Even you know, to this day, I
think Lawler says that that's like one of his favorite
matches he ever called. Was that match between the Rock

(25:57):
and Hulk Hogan.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
I think Jim Rodd said that too.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
Yeah, okay, he mentioned how you know, Hulk Hogan is
the bay Roof of the of the w w E,
and I truly believe that he is. He is the founder.
And look, there have been I'm not taking anything away
from the ones that you know came before him, like
Freddy Classy, Freddy Lassi, and you know, I'm not taking

(26:25):
anything away from those guys. I'm not. I'm talking about
super stardom entertainment wise. For the business. It's Hulk Hogan.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
Yeah, there was only one and they'll never be another.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Like him, right, Rest in peace? All right?

Speaker 1 (26:43):
So moving on to our current wrestling news for the week.
We do have SummerSlam coming up next Saturday and next
Sunday taking place for Mettlife Stadium, and while the card
does look great, there are some great matches on this card.
I have to be honest, this show and this build
up of this show feels very very very rushed and
very very very thrown together.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
It's because we only have less We got a week
and a half left, and yeah, they it's kind of
it's a little bit of a bad timing of a
stretch man is not really a whole lot you could
do sadly, you know what I mean. It's kind of
weird how they bunched up everything within like a month.

(27:26):
You had Saturday Night's main event, you had Evolution, you had.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
It was not a part of the same company, but
aw all in and hell, they had Night of Champion
just two weeks before that, So that's like like four
major shows within.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
Like a five week period.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
That was a lot.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
M Yeah, for the biggest event of the year besides WrestleMania,
and considering that I'm going I have to be honest,
it doesn't feel that special the way it should feel special.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
And let's not forget this is the first time that
we're doing they're doing two nights for Summerslime.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
Yeah, and the two matches that are most guilty of
that lack of build and lack of feeling special are
the two main events, believe it or not.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Yeah, so we'll go back to SmackDown.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
Let's go back to Friday and saw, Yeah the scene
in Cody Rhodes contract signing or Cody signing the contract
on Seene his behalf, which I'm not sure we'll hold
off and court.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Oh, that's a good point because cau Zina could dispute
that and say like, well, wait a minute, tech, I
didn't sign. He forced me. And you look, there's a
picture of his signature. Signature doesn't even look that big
as Cody Rose. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
John Cena came out for the contract signing on Friday, like,
you know, trying to weasel his way out of it,
talking about how his schedule won't allow him to do it.
It's not a good time, they should postpone it. And
then him and him and Cody got into this brawl
because Cody chased them afterwards and got into this brawl.
And then Cody eventually laid out Sena and then he
made seen Us sign the contract. He's like forcedeing him
to sign the contract himself, and he revealed that the

(29:07):
match between the two of them for the ww title
at SummerSlam will be a street Fight.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
I like it. I like it.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
It makes sense because obviously seen is very limited these days,
so the street fight stipulation was like given more to
work with, and'll be a way to hide all of that.
So and they could do like a bunch of Shenanigans
in it too. So yeah, it makes sense.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
And I said this earlier. I even posted this on
our on our our Instagram page not too long ago.
I truly believe that this rematch will be better than
the one at russell Mania. You may will not have
no trap yet it will, trust me, we will not
have no Travis Scott shananigans or worry about oh my god,

(29:50):
if the Rock is going to show up or now
which was reported the other day that there's probably no
reports of him showing up. I don't care. But yeah,
I feel like because of the stipulation and because of
the mistake that they met at Russellmania, yeah, they have
no choice. And I truly believe that this rematch will

(30:12):
be better.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
Yeah, it has to be now with it just being
the two of them. Hopefully it's stays just between the
two of them, and if there's any Shenanigans, it's not
like from anybody random like Travis Scott or like some
random celebrity. So yeah, hopefully it just stays, you know,
between Sena and Cody, but it just hurts that the
build is kind of lackluster with Sena only being available

(30:35):
for one appearance during the month of July. His next
appearance probably won't be until SmackDown next week. And yo,
for the biggest match of like the entire show, like
the main event of the entire show, you only have
like one segment to build it up. I don't care
how big of the stars that they both are and
pastes three they've had, like you know, even before SummerSlam,

(30:55):
that is not enough time to build this. Not enough time.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
Yeah, and you have in a superstar caliber like that,
and it is a championship match, You're one of your
biggest events of the year. You have to tell a
story in your build up. You have to come on,
it's the rematch from wressell Mania this year that come on. Like,
I think the fact that they're not really hyping it
up in their build up it kind of shows like

(31:22):
it's really not important and that's kind of sad.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
Yeah, because after how bad that match in WrestleMania turned out,
you would think they want to redeem themselves, they want
to do a better job with the build for this match,
but yeah, it hasn't be any better.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
Yeah, they have no choice, So do I believe it
will be a better match. Yeah, I'm just not really
too high on their build up. They could have did
a little better job. I'm not saying what what happened
last Friday was bad. That was good. What I saw
was good, but it's like, Okay, keep it consistent and

(31:59):
make gravity take your crowd and your audience to wanting
to be more invested into this match, you know what
I mean?

Speaker 1 (32:06):
Yeah, definitely, And another match that's been guilty of a
very lackluster builders. The main event for Night one of
SummerSlam as it will be World Heavyweight Champion going through
defending his title against CM Punk, and they had a
brief segment this past Monday on Raw where CM Punk
came out and talked about how he doesn't know he's
gonna win or lose the match, but he's gonna do
the best he can and leave it all out in
the ring and that he won't quit. And then Gunther

(32:28):
comes out to interrupt and says he's gonna embarrass him,
he's gonna bully him, and he's gonna drop him like
a wet towel. And he's talking about how, like, you know,
unlike Punk, his ego was actually justified and his ego
actually produces results.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
And he just basically said before he left, like.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
At least you have these degenerates, referring to the crowd
cheering for you. And then gun Through just walked away
and Punk said nothing back.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Yeah. I saw that, and I was like, Okay, you
had that great little bit of a standoff from last
week after Punk won the Gauntlet match. That was cool.
It's like, oh my god, this is great. This is
gonna be amazing. Then you had this. I didn't like
how it ended. I'm not saying it was Punk's fault,

(33:13):
like I know the writers were behind this, but it's like,
wait a minute. When Gunth walked off, I just knew, like, okay,
Punk is gonna say something, but he didn't. I was like,
wait a minute, what was this? And I was very
disappointed with that segment. Man, this was their first one
on one segment that they had, and the reason why

(33:34):
I'm very disappointed in this segment and is build up,
especially because look, we already knew before that that John
Zeno was gonna only John zen and Cody Rows are
gonna have like one face face to face with each
other before summertime. So you already knew that, all right,
Your other championship match, this one that I'm referring to,

(33:56):
this is the one where you really need to like
step up your game and build up and you've got
to prove yourself now. And he didn't like goon, They're
talking to Punk like that, and Punk didn't even say anything.
That was just kind of like off very weak segment. Man,
Not that's that's unseeing Punk like for him. I know

(34:18):
he wouldn't allow that, but not saying again and I'm
I'm not saying it was his fault. It was just
that the Riders. I was like, bro, what are you
guys doing? Not a good way to start off your
uh yeah build up.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
Yeah, they don't have a lot of time to work with.
They only have a few weeks until Summer Slam. And Yo,
that segment was a huge waste because the main thing
I was looking forward to with this build up was
the back and forth promos between the two of them,
because I figured they would boast the hell out of
each other. But yeah, they just wasted that whole segment
on Monday, and they only have one more chance to
like really sell this match, which will be Rod this Monday.

(34:52):
And if they don't do anything despice it up, if
they don't do anything to get you like really you know,
to see this match, then Yo, they deserve to be
shitted on for how they've treated this bill big time.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Yeah. And because I was saying, like, oh my god,
of all the matches, I was really I'm looking forward
to aid his match. When I saw that, I was like, no, really,
that's it.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
It just feels like ww starting to kind of I
don't want to say fall off, but they're definitely taking
a step down compared to the last two years. I
was even talking with talking about that on Wade Keller
Show on Monday when we did the post rush or
we talked about the fact that like the collapse, you
don't really see it happened right away, but there's just
like certain little things you can tell about, like you know,

(35:36):
the pot of companies starting to like fall into a
down period or start starting to fall from their peak.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
And I have to be honest, like the last.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
Six or seven months or so with WW it definitely
hasn't felt as good as it did before. There's parts
of it that are still good, parts of it I
still like, but the flaws have been very noticeable.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
True, And like I said, man, like, this is a
this is a World Championship match. Your other championship match
is not gonna do anything else for the build up.
So for this one, you really need to up the
ante on this one, you know. And I look at
the match card. I love this match card. I believe
like this match card looks a little bit better than

(36:13):
last years, if I'm being quite honest. That's why. But
again it's the timing and then the we have like
a week and a half left. It's just they merge
all these events. They just bunched it up all at
the you know, at the wrong time. And let's not

(36:33):
let's not forget after Summers we have Clash in Paris,
which is later later that month in August.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
I least they have four weeks to build to that one.
At least they have like an actual like four week
period to build to it. But yeah, this is all
these shows be like very crunched together, and it has
taken away from the summerstem build big time, especially with
those two matches. But one match that does feel pretty
interesting that they really sold well on Monday is the
tag that's been made official since then, We're gonna get

(37:02):
Roman Reigns and Jay Usso against bron Breaker and Bronson Reed.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
Well Man. Having Roman Reigns back was of such a
great feeling. It was something that we really needed, and
that pop that he got was just amazing. It got
to the point where us wrestling fans and critics are asking,
are acting everybody and ourselves? The pop that he got
is Roman Reigns at the level of the Rock Stone

(37:27):
Cold and John Zena and I say, yes, he is
the needle mover.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
Yeah, And he got a great reaction on Monday. I
like that segment he had with Hayman Breaker and also
Bronson Reid where he was talking about how he like
you know, stayed home to raise the new bloodline and
he said that Hayman's not a wise man anymore, he's
a dumbass, and how he made him a part of
the family. He tried to make him a part of
the family and then he turned his back on him
for his best friend that left for ten years yeah,

(37:58):
and then bron Breaker tried to talk to him and
like say that I'm the big dog now.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
I'm the big dog now.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
And then Roman said I couldn't hear any of the
Trasher talking because of that mic of yours. So here's
a new mic, and he throws him the mic and
Superman punches him, and then obviously Reading Breaker get the
better of him. They double team him, and then Jay
Usso comes out to you know, come to his rescue,
and then they both be a Breaker and Read at
the same time. That was so fucking dope.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
Yeah, you just knew when Roman Raigns came back last week.
You knew that or they were going to do a
tag team match with each other. It was so obvious.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
So yeah, yeah, honestly, I'm looking more forward to this match,
and this match feels more interesting than either one of
the championship matches.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
Yeah, so we're getting that match.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
We had the tag match, and also it was made
official last week that we're getting Becky Lynch and Labra
Valkyria for the women's in Her Continental title, and this
past Monday on Ross, instead of specialist stipulations were added
to the match as if Lyra loses, she can never
challenge for the Women's in her Content title again as
long as Becky's champion. But then Labra put out a
stipulation she wanted to add to which will be noice qualifications,

(39:08):
no count out, there must be a winner.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
I like it. I like the stipulation because you go
back to the well, yeah, you go back to her
last two matches, especially when I backlash. Just a lot
going on, same thing at Money in the Bank. So
I love the stipulation and I'm looking forward to this
match as well.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
Yeah, for how great their feud has been over the
last few months, it's been the most consistent part of
Raw ever since it started. And yeah, this is finally
going to be the blowoff. But even though it's probably
going to be the blowoff, there's a certain somebody I
see getting involved in one way or another, and that
someone is Bailey, especially considering that she talked to Adam
Pierce behind Larra's back to get them a tag title

(39:54):
match on Raw Monday. The tag title match didn't get
it WrestleMania, and like you could like tell that Labra
wasn't happy about she wasn't feeling it, and throughout the match,
they kind of weren't clicking, but then as the match
went on, it looked like they had it won. But
then Libra was about to try to tag in Bailey,
but then Becky showed up from underneath the ring and
pulled her down and attacked her. And then when Bailey

(40:14):
went for the tag, Library was nowhere to be found,
and that led to Bailey losing the match. So you know,
Bailey's gonna have an Axtra grind for that, and she's
gonna definitely confront Libral over this, probably as soon as
Monday on Raw. And I could see her either being
the guest referee for the match between Lira and Becky
at SummerSlam, or maybe attacking Lira in a way afterwards.
But either way, Becky, I'm sorry, not Becky, because she's

(40:37):
already a healed Bailey is turning heel and it is
inevitable for a Babyface run. It's numbered, it's finished, And yeah,
she is turning heel between now and SummerSlam. It is inevitable.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
I could see that. But if I had to pick
between those scenarios that you said, Kurt, I would like
to see her as a special guest referee.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
Yeah, we'll get her on the show, because look, she
was left off of the wrestle Mania card. To leave
her off of the Summer Slam card too, you're asking
her and begging her not to renew a contract when
it's up. Oh yeah, yeah, so she should still definitely
be involved in one way or another, even though she's
like not technically in the match. She definitely needs to
find a way to get involved somehow. But I think

(41:17):
Lyra and Bailey's gonna be the feud coming out of
SummerSlam that we're going to see.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Another match that I'm looking forward to that was added
from this past Friday on SmackDown is Solos to called
defending his US title against Jacob Fatu, but this time
in a steal cage match.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
Oh that should be great and funny enough. This is
gonna be the first deal cage match of Summer Slam
since two thousand and one.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
Oh right, a tag match between Undertaker and Caine versus
DDP and Chris Ken Right.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
Yeah, less we say about that match the better, But
I think this match will definitely deliver in one. That
match is a squash match for a cage man. It
was the biggest squash match I've ever seen.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Yeah, with that kind of build up that they had.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
That it was a good build up.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
It was a good build up because you know it
was DDP stalking Undertaker's wife. But I was like, man,
that that build up in the match that they have
was kind of like okay, but anyway.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
Yeah, you could tell Undertaker didn't like DDP. But that's
another story. So yeah, we have that match of summerslim.
I figured it was gonna go down that way, but
I wasn't expecting the cage stipulation. But I'm not complaining.
We also have for the women's tag team titles that
Charlotte used her pull being Charlotte Flair to get her
in Alexa Bliss a shot at Roxanne Perez and Raquel Ribiguez.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
I like it. I like it. I like I like
the fact how Charlotte is Charlotte Flair is stepping in,
really getting comfortable and stepping into a new, uh transition
for her from being the top singles wrestler to now okay,
tag team and I only attack team. I want to
challenge for the tack team women's tag team titles. I

(43:02):
like it.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
Yeah, I like it too.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
It's definitely a nice switch up for her, But I
like how she made fun of herself where she said, Oh,
I just want to Adam Pierce's office and ask for
the match. Like I'm still Charlotte Flair. I can still
do those things and make them happen.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
Yeah, even as a tag team.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
Yeah, that's funny yourself.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
In addition to that, we have a triple threat for
the Women's World Championship, which features the new champion, Naomi,
defending against Rio Ripley and EO Sky.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
Funny how at Russellmania was a triple threat between EO Sky,
Rear Ripley and Bianca bel Air. Now is switch It's
not Bianco bel Air, it's Naomi. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
We'll see how well this match turns out. We'll the
top or be as good as that triple dow we
got at WrestleMania or even the match between EO and
Ria at a Evolution. But yeah, I'm really looking forward
to this match that that great angle we got at
the end of the Evolution, and you know, the great
match we saw even before that. It's really making this

(44:03):
match feel the special in the way that the main
events don't feel special.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
It's it's making the title now special again as well,
you know and exactly. You look at the ending from
that match between EO. Sky and rear Ripley, You're just like,
oh man in Naomi, you have no other choice to
make this a triple threat. It's the only best choice
he could do.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
Yeah, it's perfect. So we'll see how that match turns out.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
We also have his official on Raw Monday, Dominic Misterio
defending the Intercontinental title against AJ Styles after he's now
beneficially cleared.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
I loved last Monday how everywhere Dominic went, AJ Styles
was behind him, either as of or valet or or
was the security. What else did he do?

Speaker 3 (44:52):
He was an emt He was an Emtside that.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
That was just everywhere he went, he just wanted to
check a are you good? Are you mentally cleared? Obviously?

Speaker 1 (45:01):
Yeah, it was genius stuff. But now Dominic is officially cleared.
I think the way they paid it off of the
end could have been a little better. But besides that,
we're getting the match, so I guess that's all that matters.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
Look at least, you know, it's funny. I feel like
the undercard matches build up are doing so much better
than the world championship build ups. Isn't that sad?

Speaker 1 (45:23):
Yeah, but it happens sometimes. We've seen other Summer Slams
in the past where it's happened. Hell, even last year
kind of had that. Last year is make an event
the Cody and you know Sol's called match. We weren't
like really hype for that match compared to the other ones.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Yeah, of course, all right.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
But in any event, we also have Tiffany Stratton defending
the women's title against Jade Cargill. We're likely going to
get another match between Sammy's A and Carry and Cross
after what happened on Raw Monday were Cross beat.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Him good car, Cross is getting pushed getting pushed, Thank god,
thank god justice has been served.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
Good shit. Yeah, I'm happy that he's being elevated. And
you know, the Sammy few has been doing so good
for you, thank you. And I can see them adding
Stephanie Bacoor against Chelsea Green because of like the run
ins they've been having the last few weeks, and especially
when Chelsea Green interfered in the EO Sky and the
Core match and caused it to end in a no
contest again, So I can see him doing that match

(46:20):
on the show. So yeah, the card for SummerSlam looks great.
Despite the build and the lack of time they've had
to do a proper build, the card still looks good
and I think it'll still deliver in the end.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
And at the end of the day, that's.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
Oh my god. Let's not forget another tack team match.
That's between Rand Orton and country singer Jelly Roll versus
Lo your moral enemy, the douchebag fuck Logan Paul and
his tag team partner Drew McIntyre. This is a little
bit of a weird situation for Drew McIntyre. I kind

(46:51):
of feel bad for him, no offense, because you go
back to the summertime last year, using that great, amazing
feud with seeing Punk. Great match also was Seeing Punk
last year with seth Ron's as a special guest referee.
You go from there to now you're an attack team
match against Jelly Roll. But Rand new Orton too though.

(47:13):
But it's a little bit weird though.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
Yeah, at least it's not Travis Scott in the match
which Drew McIntyre was very vocal about his appearance at
Wrestlevania in an interview recently.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
He was right, no lies were told. I'm sorry, no
lies were told. And what he said he meant what
he said and he was speaking the truth. I'm sorry.
Having Travis Scott it just involved. It was just odd.
And even having them when he was at Elimination Chamber,
it was just weird.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
I was just like, well, elimination elimination Chamber.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
I can excuse because he was kind of like a
background dude in that sense, even though he freaking busted
Cody's eye and gave him a black eye. But at
WrestleMania he was like more of like the center of
attention for it, which he didn't need to be, and
yet that whole thing just sucked. But I don't think
this match will sucked because you know, apparently Jelly Roll
has been putting in a lot of work. He's been
like really, you know, taking it seriously. So I think

(48:04):
I think in the end it will deliver. I think
at the end of the day, it will still be
a fun match.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
Yeah, it's a good way to bring other Like I've
said this for it, this is a good way to
bring other rust, bring new fans in it, because you
gotta remember your country. There are fans of Jelly Roll,
Jelly Row is a very popular country singer, and they
see this and gonna be like, oh, I want to
you know, he's wrestling. I want, you know, I want
to check this out. It was the same thing for

(48:30):
Bad Bunny a few years ago, you know. So yeah, yeah,
so let's see how it turns out. I think Jelly
Row will put in a good performance. I don't know
if Little Top you know, of the bad Bunnies of
the Logan pauls we've seen in the past, but I
think he'll still, you know, look presentable in his performance.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
So yeah, we'll see how it goes. And maybe Eminem
will be in their corner because him and Eminem had
that song together. Are on the Death of Slim Shady album.
Oh yeah, Eminem could be in their corner, and maybe
Kid Rock and be in Logan Paul and Drew McIntire's corner.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Well, I'm surprised them and I didn't show up to
Somersame two years ago when I was in Detroit.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
Maybe I had like a party to go to, like
one of those drug ballot parties he talked about back
on the Marshall Matthews LP. Now I'm just talking shit.
He doesn't He's been sober for eighteen years. I'm just
talking shit.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
Probably working at Moms. I want to try that new restaurant.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
Oh the mom Spaghetti, Mom Spaghetti. I wonder if they
had vegan options. All right, but my brother, are you rest?
Are you ready? Are you ready to jump into our
wrestling delorium?

Speaker 2 (49:28):
Oh? Hell yeah, let's go back to the nineties.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
Late nineties at that we're can I take you guys
back to July of nineteen ninety nine as we are
going to cover the fully Loaded that took place on
July twenty fifth of that year. And this is a crazy, wild,
unpredictable and out of control time for not only pro wrestling,
but pop culture as a whole.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
Yeah, and that event too. I was just watching that
event yesterday and not a whole lot of riding on
the event. I mean, it was pretty much centered around
just two matches that at being the main event between
stone Holds Steve Austin and the Undertaker in the first
blood match end of an era. If Austin lost, he

(50:11):
will never ever get a title shot again. But if
stone Cold won, no more Vince McMahon.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
Yeah, And in all honestly, I can't wait to get
into that match later because in many ways as big
as the SummerSlam ninety eight match was, with the whole
Highway to Hell build up, this match in many ways
felt every bit is big.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Of course because of the stipulation, because of Vince McMahon
being involved. And then let's not forget that classic title
change that they had the month prior to Night After
the King of the Ring when Austin beat Undertaker for
the title.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
That was the highest rated segment on Raw at that point. Yes,
they were doing work in ninety nine. I mean, granted,
the product was out of control, it was too crazy
for its own good, But as as far as ratings
and as far as making money, WW could do it
all wrong in nineteen ninety nine.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
I'm telling you right now. Out of all the years
in that Attitude era from ninety eight up until one,
I had to say ninety nine was probably like the most.
It was literally like the Wild Wild West, no pun
intended for a movie that came out that summer, which
we'll get into later.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
Yeah, funny enough, actually, let's get into that now. Actually
funny enough, around the time of this fully loaded the
number one movie that entire month of July of ninety
nine was the ill fated Wild Wild West.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
Oh my god, it was.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
Yeah, it was a number one movie that month.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
Wow, what was second? What was second?

Speaker 1 (51:38):
I think it might have been The Haunting. I know
The Haunting was a number one movie this weekend of
this show.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
It was, Oh, that was you know what's funny. I
was actually watching that movie with my girlfriend, like, was
it a year ago? I haven't watched that in forever.
That was kind of a it was okay move, but
a weird movie. Have you ever you ever seen that movie?

Speaker 3 (51:58):
Never saw it? No, I did not ever see.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
It with William No Liam Nilsen from Taking Right and
the upcoming Naked Gun too. Yeah, I know that was
weird anyway, Katherine Zeita Jones and Owen Wilson of all
peoples in that movie too.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
Owen Wilson was also an anaconda, which is very random. Yeah,
I know, by a snake.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
Yeah I know. Yeah, And don't not to spoil it
for you, though, Owen Wilson got his head got his
head freaking cut off, cut off in that movie. So yeah,
it's all.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
But other other fun movies that were out during this
time were Big Daddy, Actually Big Daddy I think was
number two for that month.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
I think it was Big Daddy.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
Oh cool, good love that movie.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
And also the south Park movie. The south Park movie
was mad funny.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
Let's not forget another movie. Another favorite movie of mine
came out that summer, The Wood. No you don't like
the Wog, No I do? I do? It was one
of them, was my my favorite favorite movie. But that's
Summer American Pie one of them. They app You're close though,
but not yet. It is. It is from Universal, okay,

(53:14):
Universal nine summer summer of ninety nine.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
Was it before after the show?

Speaker 2 (53:24):
Oh before.

Speaker 4 (53:28):
A couple months before a couple months yeah, shit, Universal,
The Mummy, Yes, there you go, you won the prize.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
The mom Yeah, The Mommy came out like right before
when Art died. Yeah, like around that time.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
Yeah, same thing for a Star Wars episode one man
back on wild West. You have no, I don't know.
I'm scared that. I don't know if I want to
tell you to watch that movie. Man, I don't. No,
You're gonna.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
I'm good after I think. If it's any worse than Handcock,
holy shit.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Honestly, if I had to pick this is just me
for guilty pleasure. If I had to choose between Wild
Wild West and Hancock, I'm picking wild West over it.
We cannot deny the fact that the music video was dope.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
Yeah, they even performed They even performed it on Abbot Elementary. Recently,
they performed the song on Abbed Elementary School dance.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
That is funny. Wow, that's funny. You cannot. I will
not deny the fact that commercial commercial success. It was
good though. I remember freaking they were like displaying that
movie on Burger King, Like I think you got like
a one of the Burger meals or whatever that you
got like glasses, Yeah, you got like the sunglasses from

(54:57):
the movie or whatever something like that. But yeah, that
is that is crazy though.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
Yeah, I remember how popular that song was, and you
have the hype behind the movie when it came out.
But then even Will Smith set himself that he was
embarrassed that the movie made the amount of money that
it did, Like he didn't like the fact that it
actually made money because he just knew that it wasn't
a good movie, kind of like how George Blooney knew
that Batman and Robin wasn't a good movie.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
You know. It's crazy about that. You know, it was
really crazy about that Wall Wall West movie. How Originally
so the directors wanted to cast Will Smith as Neo
in the Matrix, but he turned it down for Wah
Wall West. Damn sometimes, I know, I know that's I

(55:49):
even found out not too long ago that they wanted
to give Martin Lawrence to cast as Carter and Rushhower,
but I think he turned it down.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
Yeah, talker, it maybe would have worked with Yeah, Chris
Tucker was the better.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
Yeah, yeah, but the whole Yeah, Will Smith and then
Matrix Smith. That is freaking crazy he turned that down, man.

Speaker 3 (56:16):
Yeah, it is crazy.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
It also it was also crazy, including the movies that
were out of the time.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
Yeah, it's crazy. American Pie did come out like right
before this show.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
Yo.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
A lot of that ship from that A lot of
that ship from that movie would not fly today.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Yeah, who cares? I hate? How does generation takes a
lot certain movies from back then? Offensive? Come on? That
was just a movie.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
Well, the one scene, I'm the one scene I'm referring
to is when he like films Homegirls in his room
and like that was.

Speaker 5 (56:42):
The best scene. That was the best scene. That was
the funniest scene of them all. I love that scene
just had me dying. He literally did all that to
find out that now it's been filled shown in everybody
in the neighborhood.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
I was like, bro.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
Embarrassed itself, very embarrassing, but also it was also Let's
get into some of the music that was hot at
the time, and one thing that was really popping during
this summer of ninety nine were those Damn boy bands
like the Backstreet Boys in Sync. I think I remember
around this time watching TRL a lot with my cousins
when I because I was visiting New York at the time,
and yeah, like every day they would watch TRL that

(57:23):
damn like I wanted that way song would always be
number one mm hmm support. They had to retire it.
They had to retire the video after a while. That's
how long it was on that damn show.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
Because everybody, well, girls were obsessed with them, and I
remember I remember it was like a debate on who
was better. Backstreet Boys are in Sync.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
Also, Britney Spears was really hot at the time. Christina
Aguilera was also very hot at the time, which is funny.
Her song Genie in the Bottle was the number one
song around the time of this fully loaded show.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
Wow, oh wow, that is crazy. So like all those,
do you remember you know one song that I really like,
think about especially that year alone, remember that song Mambo
number five by Lou but of course, yeah, I love

(58:18):
that song.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
Also another song from Wild West.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
I was hot during this time, the battle most song
from Enrique Iglesias.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
Oh yes, yes, so okay, So my parents have the
movie on VHS, right, yeah, still have it. So you
know how I love how like certain movies, when you're
done watching the movie, they'll show a music video after. Yeah.
They did that for Soul Food too though, but oh yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
Had the DVD.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
They had all the music videos on their DVD.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
Yeah, so for Wah Wah West they showed the two
music videos. They showed of course the Wilsonith wilh Wah
West music video and then right after the show the Birique,
which was cool. I thought. I was like, okay, yeah,
I like that. I missed that when they that was
cool about vhs. Those certain movies you get and you

(59:08):
know they'll show like a music video, you know, after
the movie. I thought that was cool.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
Yeah, definitely I have to focus with that too. And yeah,
a lot of hip.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
Hop and R and B was white hot at the time,
including M and m's first album was out during this period.
Also the Rough Riders Volume one. The Rough Riders were
really killing it during this time. Cash Money Millionaires really
killing it during this time. Also Destney Shouts second album,
The Writing on the Wall, came out like right after
this show, with like Bill's Bills, really with Bill's Bill's

(59:37):
Bills and Boogaboo and all that, all those songs. It's
like before they had to split with the two girls
who left.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
Oh literally right before that. M Man, I feel like
nineteen ninety nine was I think that's one of those
years that doesn't get enough credit as the other years,
Like ninety nine was just an underrated year in the nineties.
It's the last year of the nineties.

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
And it went out with a bang.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
It really did in pop culture and in movies and
music and just in general. Like I was only was
it seven, yeah, seven. At the time, I was living
in Paradise. I was living in Hawaii, believe it or not.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
It's so funny.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
During this time, my mom was gonna meet my brother
and I moved to New York because we were living
at my Grandma's house and she had like an injury,
and because of the injury in her not being able
to work, my mom couldn't afford to keep us in Florida,
so she was gonna send us to live in New York.
So that was like a whole, like a dramatic situation
going on during that time. So like we didn't know

(01:00:49):
if we were going to ever come back to Florida
or if I was ever gonna work out what was
gonna happen. But eventually we did end up coming back.
A lot of drama surrounded that too, But yeah, there
was a lot of uncertainty routing me and my brother
at the time about like you know, where our future was,
where we were going to stay. Yeah, it was weird,
very very weird and dark times family wise.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
Oh no, I'm sorry to hear that, man, it is.

Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
What it is.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
But luckily I did have something like WWE to help
me kind of escape that at least for a little while.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
Yeah, that's crazy, I was. I look back at that time,
I'm so surprised I actually lived there during that time.
I am living in Hawaii and a lot of people
asking do I remember living of course I remember. I
was in elementary school, and that was the place where

(01:01:39):
I made my very first best friend. I was doing
a lot of things at the time. I was in karate. Actually,
well I had started karate the year before. Actually I
think I started like in ninety eight, I believe. But
during that time I was in karate. I think I
was a yellow belt at the time, and I was
already competing, like in a tournament already, and I was

(01:02:01):
you know, playing you know, random sports and just being
a kid and you know watching you know, being outside
of my friends and you know, video games like the
normal stuff with a kid did though, but I really
do remember doing karate over there.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
That's what's up. Yeah, I'm good to find God to
find those happens for you.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
Actually, this summer is like the first summer like where
I started to lose weight because like when I was
a kid, I was overweight. So like this summer was
like when I first started. It's like, you know, exercise
about my brother telling me to or anybody telling me to,
Like I was actually taking it seriously. I would like,
you know, run every day. I would do sit ups
like twice a day. Yeah, this is like the first summer,
like where I really started to like, you know, buggle
down to my weight and it really paid off.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
Nice.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
Yeah, good shit. But also one big event that actually
happened the weekend of this fully loaded show was Woodstock
ninety nine.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
Oh, this was in July.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
It was this weekend. It was yeah, the weekend of reloaded. Yeah,
and that show. That and that festival was fucking out
of control. That exemplified what the WWE product was at
this time because you had that festival. From the documentaries
I've watched and whatnot, Yo, I would not ever want
to go to a music festival like that. That does

(01:03:17):
not sound fun at all, even with all the great
musicians and great acts they had. Like I think I
posted a picture last week of DMX performing there. It
was like a sea of people surrounding it. Yeah, just
an iconic image, but as far as being there in person,
from the stories I've heard and the people who have
been there described it, no freaking thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
Is there a documentary where I can watch this.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
Yeah, it's on Netflix. It's called train Wreck the Woodstock
ninety nine Story.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
Oh cool.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
It divided in three parts, like the first parts about
the first day, second part, second day, third part third day.
Ironically enough, also in New York. It was in this
place called.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
Rome, New York, Rome, New York. That's interesting. I gotta
watch this. Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
Okay, Yeah, they had DMX there, they had Corn there,
They had James fucking Brown performing there.

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
It was so messed up.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
When Rosie Perez was on stage and also Shell Craw
was on stage performing, the crowd kept channing show your
tits at them.

Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
Crazy, And then they actually blamed a big reason why
the crowd got so out of control and like so
amped up.

Speaker 3 (01:04:25):
They blamed Limp Biscuit for it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
Oh yeah, I forgot them there, How I forget that?

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
Yeah, Yeah, it's crazy the performance of Corn, Like when
you see the way the audience is performing the corn
and like you see the whole waves throughout the audience,
it's insane. But just the way it was planned, like
just the like the conditions people were under being there,
how expensive everything was, like women were getting sexually assaulted,
people were all fucked up on drugs. People were setting

(01:04:52):
things on fire by the end of it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
Yeah, that whole thing was madness.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
Was this the last one that they had?

Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
They haven't had a Woodstock since. Yeah, they have not
had one since.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
And you don't think they'll ever go back.

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
I don't want to say they'll never do it, but
after how that one turned out, I would not be
surprised if we don't ever see one again.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
Okay, I'll watch the documentary since it's recommended by you,
and I'll be the judge by that. So yeah, because
I myself, I know what it's like to be at
a music vessels, so yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
And also the biggest news story that was happening around
this time was actually the JFK Junior plane crash.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
Oh my god, I forgot about that. Where did he
did he he crashed? Like? Was it? Where did he
crash that? I remember that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
I think it might have been somewhere in New York,
if not somewhere else. But yeah, I just remember they
were talking about that NonStop on the news during that time.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
Oh wow, yeah, yeah, I do remember that. That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:05:54):
It was nuts man. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
And that's kind of like where the whole Kennedy Family's
cursed thing like.

Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
Really took off.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Oh yeah mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (01:06:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
Sad story. Yeah, very yeah, very sad situation. How it
turned out. Yeah, it was a I would say between
that and the Columbine shooting. Those are like two of
the biggest news stories that year.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
Shit, yeah, that Columbas should have happened in May. Yeah,
no April for twenty of all days, no April April
have about four twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
And ironically enough, that's actually the same day that Ravish
and Rick fod died.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
All right, Yeah, before we get into fully loaded, it's
funny of very popular Nickelodeon cartoon.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
Debut the week before this show. You know what cartoon that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
Was, SpongeBob square Pants.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
That's right. I remember when they were promoting it because
it's like the end. When I was watching Nickelodeon, I
never got into it. It was never never for me.
But that show was probably one of the biggest cartoons
they ever did, probably next to World Rats.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
Oh absolutely, Oh my god. How can I forget about Nickelodeon.
That's you know, the literally the hate of my of
my childhood of Nickelodeon. Dude. Of all the shows that
we had, that Rocket Powered Up Rocket part was like
a one show that I just love that related to
me because of what I like to do, skateboarding, them

(01:07:14):
playing you know, hockey, sometimes surfing, snowboarding. They just did
a lot of things like, oh my god, like I
kind of do that. That's like I do this stuff
and it really related to me, and I love that show.
So yeah, man, I Nickelodeon was freaking amazing. I think
the Amanda Show debuted around that time too, not for sure,

(01:07:38):
maybe it was like ninety nine or two thousand, not
for sure though, but yeah, I love Nickelodeon. During that time,
I was.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
Like, I was like towards the end of my Nickelodeon
fandom at this point, because by this point I was thirteen.
I still watched it, but this was like me towards
like the end of it, Like by two thousand and
two thousand and one, I wasn't watching it as much anymore.
But I still do have my memories of this timeframe
of it. But what I do have good time, despite
how out of control and crazy it was at the time,

(01:08:04):
was ww's product, which brings us to our show recovering
today Fully Loaded ninety nine And unfortunately I don't have
a lot of time. I only have about twenty minutes
or so, so we're gonna have to skim through most
of it. So let's run down this card from Fully
Loaded ninety nine, which took place at the Marine Midland
Arena in Buffalo, New York, and the opening match we
had Edge defending the Intercontinental title that he had just

(01:08:26):
won randomly the night before from the man he took
it from in that same match, Jeff Jarrett, along with Deborah,
who was getting way bigger pops than him at the time.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
Of course because of the puppies. That's where Yeah, this was. Look,
I felt like this match is just pretty much like
the whole like Lower Carbridge just kind of just throwing together.
Let's just get through it and get to the main
event type of deal. There wasn't like a whole lot

(01:08:57):
of riding all these matches or what happened. And I
remember the only highlight that happened during that match, Gang
Gross showed up and he missed the blood bath which
was attended for Edge, which was weird.

Speaker 3 (01:09:11):
Yeah, that was the first time they got like backfired
on him.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
Yeah, he got like laid out by Edge because they
had like just like kind of felling off around that time.
They were like m breaking up the Brood, or at
least the original version of the Brood by that period.
And then Gang relevantually recovered and like you know, like
slammed Edge his neck into the ropes and then Jeff
Jerry hit him with the stroke. It wasn't called the
stroke at the time in WW, but that's what the

(01:09:34):
move was. And then Jeff Jeredy regained the title after
only losing it the night before Funny Edge's very first title.
He wins like at a non televised house show, even
if it wasn't Toronto.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
Still it's kind of strange, mm, that is weird.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
And then Jeff Jared celebrating with the title afterwards, and
then all of a sudden, Stone Cold Steve Boston comes out.

Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
And hits him with the Stunner.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
So the reason though, we kind of fast tracked. So
it was crazy how that event started. Because first of all,
let's not forget the intro that of that event. Of
all the intros they did in an Attitude era, that
is by far one of my favorite. It's one of
my favorite intros for a pay per view. Loved it

(01:10:16):
because it was an era I'll.

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
Be missing you when you go when you go, fuckly well,
I was classic.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
I like the entrance to where they had like the
picture of events bleeding like in the middle of it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
You had Austin on one side and Undertaking on the other.
Brilliant anyway, brilliant. So anyway, like literally like, well, no,
I'm sorry during Sunday Night Heat because we still had
chaos going on during that. I love how you had
chaos going on on Heat going into your pay per view,
and it did because Austin pretty much got attacked by

(01:10:55):
Undertaker and got busted open. So Austin was pissed off
about what happened and he was looking for Undertaker and
he pretty much took his anger out on Jeff Jarrett.
And I remember during that time, especially during that summer,
it felt like every time when Jeff Jarrett had a match,
Austin would come in just for the hell of it
and just beat him up. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
I think I was around the time that Vince Russo
was trying to get Austin a few with Jarrett, but
Austin didn't want to do it. So I guess that
was like the little of it they did do, oh,
which might have been a catalyst for them to go
in to WCW a few months later, but that's another story.
So on our next match, So on our next match
for the tag team titles, we had the Hardy Boys
and Michael Hayes who just became their manager around this time.

(01:11:37):
This is like when them Hardy Boys like first started
making noise. They had just won the tag team titles
from the Acolytes a few weeks before this, and at
this show they would be facing the Acolytes again and
a three on two handicap match.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
Yeah, and look, I know got no vince to Michael Hayes.
I know he was you know, retired and you know
not doing a whole you know, not doing a whole lot,
but my god, he was just getting just beating up
senseless in this match. But it was all pretty much
the Harder Boys was just pretty much doing most of
the work, but it wasn't enough, as Acolytes regained the

(01:12:14):
tag team titles in this match.

Speaker 3 (01:12:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
I love that one move when Jeff Hardy's gonna do
the springboard and then jb All hits him with the closed.

Speaker 3 (01:12:20):
Linine from Hell in midair. Good gods, nasty.

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
But just how dangerous for the Acolytes were. Man, this
is before they became the APA, right because they was
still part of the ministry from the Undertaker though. But
these two were just like you look at these two, Kurt,
and you're like, yeah, I don't want to face these guys. No, no, to.

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
Be in the hospital for a month at least. Yeah,
So they hit a Michael Hayes with that double power
bomb to win and regain the titles at least for
two weeks before they dropped them back to Canan next pack.
But yeah, it was just weird seeing Michael Hayes and
the Hardy Boys together.

Speaker 3 (01:12:59):
I almost forgo. I thought that was a thing for
a while.

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
And like the hardest and like they all dressed to same,
Like Michael Hayes is trying to dress cool, like trying
to dress like he's hip.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
Oh god, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
Crazy, the hard He's had like four managers within one year.
They had Michael Hayes, then they had Gang Grell as
a new group briefly. Then they had Terry. They had
Terry Runnolds for a little while, then they finally found
leader and then that that's like the one that clicked
for them.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
Yep, but they really hit They really hit their popularity
later that year at After No Mercy.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
Oh yeah, hands down. But this is kind of like
the early rumblings of it. Yeah, and in our next match.
We had Midian defending the European title that he took
from Shane McMahon's bag and never won against the man
who helped make that title famous, de Loo Brown.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
Yes, the famous, the legendary Delo Brown, very underwriter Rustler
during the Attitude era and very underrated his theme song
and his move set. I love the lowdown his modified
U frog splash which again not a whole lot of
a lot of riding in this match though, but hey,
you know, get through it, and they did, and d

(01:14:11):
Loo Brown regained the European title. Midian Midian midding what
a weird guy. I'll never forget when they the night
when they abducted him and brought him into the Ministry.
That was just creepy.

Speaker 3 (01:14:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:24):
It was always always kind of had him in like
weird characters and doing weird things, like he was like
the Vineus and the godwins. Then yeah, he was Midian
in the Ministry of Darkness. And then he did like
the whole naked Midian like storyline for Yeah, but Dlo Brown,
I will say this is my favorite period of de
Loo Brown, like when he first won back the European

(01:14:45):
title here, like when he had the rush he did
around this time. This is like my favorite period of him,
Like on fourth this is before the whole accident with
Drives happened.

Speaker 3 (01:14:52):
I kind of like derailed his momentum.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
But before that he was really killing it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
Oh, he was hot with special with the crowd. I
loved it was really funny when he was working along
with Mark Henry to help him, right.

Speaker 3 (01:15:10):
I'll never forget.

Speaker 2 (01:15:10):
There was a segment during Raw where he was pretty
much given all these healthy food and Mark Henry's like, man,
I'm from Texas. Man we meet. You got some some
mashed potatoes and some butter, and like, no, man, you
gotta stack but Tony.

Speaker 1 (01:15:30):
Yeah, but anyway, Yeah, so Delo Brownie game the upan
title here. So in our next match, we had Al
Snow defending the Hardcore title against the Big Boss Man
and yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:15:39):
My god, this match never made it to the ring.

Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
This match literally started in the highway. They fought backstage
and they fought out slade of the arena and then
Big Boss Man like handcuffed Al Snow to like a
pole or something like yeah, it's like the back of
like a fence, and then like Al Snow kept telling
him to put him out of his misery, like to
put him out of his misery. And then boss Man
took some kind of stick and just started beating the
hell out of our snow with it, to the point
where he was like spitting from his mouth. And then

(01:16:03):
boss Man put one foot on al snow and pinned him.
And that was all she wrote, Big Boss, new Hardcore Champion.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
Yeah, you cannot deny it. At that time, Look the
hardcore title. They were really making their matches pretty interesting
no matter what.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
Yeah, and there's some was the early rumblings of their
few that would get a lot more weird and a
lot more disgusting as the months went on.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
Kennel and Hell the Kettle Was it the Kettle and
the Cell match or something like that?

Speaker 3 (01:16:31):
Kennel from Hell match?

Speaker 1 (01:16:32):
Ye had unforgiven God all right, but the next let's
we say about that the better. So on our next match,
we had Kine going one on one with the Big
Show with Hardcore Holly as the guest referee.

Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
Weird.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
It's a good match on paper, but when you see
the match play out, it's not so good.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
I'm telling you. They were just trying to get through
this night. Man. I felt like, we're just not all right.

Speaker 1 (01:16:59):
No, I could see why they put Kan against Big
Show together because when you look at the two of
them stand face to face, you're like, oh my god,
this is like a monster match of rapid proportions. But
then when you see a play out, they just didn't
have that chemistry in the ring.

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
Look, the only like interesting thing that I saw freaking
Big Show like Military Press slammed Kine.

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
Outside of the ring. Yeah, that was crazy. This is
all the so around the time that Kane was teaming
up with x POC and even the Monday before this
on Raw, like because around the time the Undertaket was
trying to talk Kine into being on his side and
for him to dump x pock and then the Undertaker
at one point choke slammed x Pac and then Kane
saw it on the Titans Tron because he didn't see

(01:17:42):
it when it happened. And then Kane chokes slammed the Undertaker,
and then him and x POC finally.

Speaker 3 (01:17:47):
Hugged for the first time.

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
Yeah that was Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:17:50):
I like their tag team back then, especially like during
this good team.

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
Yeah I did too. It was a pretty interesting tag
team and in fact that They even became tag team
champions after this. But it was funny. You actually saw
like a like a like a softer human side of Caine,
you know, once they were tag team partners.

Speaker 1 (01:18:09):
Oh yeah, definitely. This is around the time you were
like became a lot more human. Yeah, that's the best
way I could put it. A lot more human. Yeah,
all right, but yeah, Caine had Big show up for
the choke slammer. I'm sorry, he was attempting a choke slam,
and then Hardcore Holly hit him with a chop lock,
and then Big Show chokeslam Caine, and then Holly did
a damn fast count and.

Speaker 3 (01:18:31):
Ranger show the match kind of shit.

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
Is that weird?

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
Yeah, it was a weird ending, weird outcome, but Big
Show was the Winter. And then after the match, x
pot came out and not Hardcore Holly down with a kick,
and then Undertaker came out in chokeslam XPOC and then
Undertaker and Big Show double team Caine, and then x
POC got laid out on top of Caine on by
the Undertaker. An Undertaker just left and this is like

(01:18:58):
the early rumblings of the under Taker in Big Show
Tag Team that we woulde become official the next night
on Raw.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
Yeah, and then as Undertaker goes back back to the
locker room, Austin was there lurking and attacks him and
then he buses on a ticker open. Now Undertaker's bleeding.

Speaker 1 (01:19:16):
Now yeah, Now the odds were even Undertaker busting open
Austin earlier in the show, and now Austin got him back,
So now they were both drawing first blood before.

Speaker 3 (01:19:27):
The match even happened.

Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
So yeah, I liked it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:30):
I liked how they built this story throughout the night.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
Yeah, it was kind of like you're watching an episode
of Raw because all this chaos is happening before the
pay per view. During the pay per view, it was
just like, my goodness.

Speaker 1 (01:19:41):
Yeah, it was madness, but it was fun madness in
that sense. And then on our next match, we had
Ken Shamrock against Steve Blackman in an Iron Circle match.

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
Yeah, I was like, what iron souls? What weird?

Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
It's like a it's just a match where like they're
just surrounded by bunch of cars and like all the
wrestlers are like standing outside of the cars and like
honking the horns and like turning on the bright lights
and then they just fight each other in the circle,
and whoever walks out of the circle after knocking the
other person down to the point where they can't get
back up is the winner.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:15):
Yeah, there wasn't much to this Ken sh It was
like very short. Yeah, it wasn't really very exciting for
the most part. It just sounds like something that that's
good on paper, but then when you see a play out,
it doesn't really pan out that way. Kind of reminds
me of the rounda Rousey and Shane a Basler match
from SummerSlam two years ago. But yeah, ultimately Ken Shecharmut
just started hitting black men with like his this or

(01:20:36):
like chains wrapped around them, and then Blackman was down
and then Ken Shamout just walked out of the circle
and won the match. This is like the second of
two matches that the crowd didn't even get to watch
live that like took place like backstage or somewhere else
in the arena.

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
True, Yeah, it's true.

Speaker 1 (01:20:52):
And in our next match we had for the rights
to DX, we had XPOC and road Dog against mister Ass,
Billy Gunn and China.

Speaker 2 (01:21:02):
Uh literally mister Ass because he was showing his ass
kind of like saying weren't the same attires China. This
whole thing was just pretty much ever since Triple H
and China left d X has kind of been like
civil war between them and road Dog and x PAC
and all of them. And yeah, and you forget that

(01:21:26):
the month prior to this, Billy Gunn won the King
of the Ring.

Speaker 3 (01:21:29):
Yes, he did win the King of the Ring.

Speaker 1 (01:21:31):
And then right after that, Triple H was talking to
China and Billy Gunn about how x POC and road
Dog or claiming all the rights to DX even though
they were the ones who left d X in the
first place, that being Triple H and Billy Gunn. And
then he said, I want you to take China and
I want you to fight them for the rights to DX.
So like that's how this whole thing started. For them,
it was like all about like, you know, the money.

(01:21:51):
It was all about you know, like getting the merchandise
royalties and all that. But then for XPOC and road Dog,
they actually like you know, lived and breathed DX. They
did the sucking things still, they started to be music.
They were like all about the DX life. So then
the match happened, it was what it was. And then Ultimately,
Billy Gunn got laid out with the pump pandles pump
handle drop. Yeah, the pump panel drop. It was called

(01:22:11):
by road Dog, and then x Pock and road Dog
won the match. There wasn't really much beyond that, to
be honest, and the thing that stood out most about
this match was Yeah, China and Billy Gunn's outfits.

Speaker 2 (01:22:21):
Yeah, I saw that. I was like, what the hell? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:22:25):
So yeah, that match was was what it was. And
then now we're at our main events and a strap
match to decide who would face the ww champion at SummerSlam.
We had the Rock going one on one with Triple H.

Speaker 2 (01:22:37):
And ladies and gentlemen. This is the night where the
real Triple H or the game was born. So earlier
that night, on Sunday Night, Heat Jr. Had To sit
down interview with Triple H and Triple H real pretty much.
He had his own pipe bomb. His real evil side

(01:22:57):
came out angry about how he's been treated, angry about
what happened at the Curtain Call three years prior, talking
about how this is his time. He doesn't give a
damn about Jesse Ventur being at SummerSlam, how he's gonna
become the new champion at Summer Slam is not about
anybody else but him. This is the night where the

(01:23:19):
game was born. That segment on Sunday Night.

Speaker 3 (01:23:23):
He yep, that's the first time he called himself the game.

Speaker 1 (01:23:26):
He was dropping f bombs, he was going off about
everything he'd been put through in those last few years.
And yeah, this was the turning point for Triple H,
like the way like the Austin three to sixteen speech
was a turning point for Rostin and the pipe bind
for Punk was a turning point for him. That interview
was a turning point for Triple H.

Speaker 2 (01:23:44):
Yes, I did.

Speaker 3 (01:23:45):
Like before the match, like.

Speaker 1 (01:23:46):
They were interviewing the Rock backstage, and they showed the
Rock being interview on screen where Triple H can see him,
and the Rock was just like roasted him, making fun
of him about the whole speech, saying you cry like
a baby about Oh, I wanted to say goodbye to
my friends.

Speaker 3 (01:23:57):
They held me back, They held.

Speaker 1 (01:23:59):
Me back, And He's like, yeah, they didn't hold you
back because you wanted to say good bye to your
hoolipool friends. They held you back because you absolutely suck. Yeah,
I'm bumm that they edited out the few package for
this match on the show. Oh they did, Yeah, probably
because they showed the footage of the DX parody of

(01:24:21):
the Nation where Mark Henry It is impersonated by Xpac
with the black face.

Speaker 2 (01:24:26):
Oh right, right right. Yeah. Overall, this match was it
was okay. It's not at the level of their Summer
Slam match from ninety eight or the few that they
had the following year, especially that backlash and Judgment day, like,
but but I mean it is what it is. Like, Look,

(01:24:48):
it's a number one contenders match for to get a
title shot. It was okay, and then towards the end,
of course, China got involved, and then you know, Billy
Gunn got involved, which cost The Rock the match and
Triple H was your winner, and that would set up
the few between The Rock and Billy Gunn later on,
which will go into SummerSlam the following month. Yeah, I know,

(01:25:12):
but but yeah, this was a match that Triple Ah
needed because after that segment like, okay, you got to
you you need to really need to push this guy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:25:22):
By that point, The Rock had already been the champion
three times and main evented WrestleMania, So yeah, Triple H
knew this a lot more the match itself. It was fine,
like the strap, to be honest, the strap, I don't
even think they needed because use it that much and
I I'm sorry, go ahead, no, And I thought like
it was a strap match.

Speaker 2 (01:25:40):
I thought it was like, oh, they have to touch
the turn bubbles, but no, it was just a regular
they were just using just to hit each other with it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:48):
Yeah, but I mean it played into the finish when
like you know, the Rock had Triple H beat and
then Billy Gunn pulled the strap.

Speaker 3 (01:25:53):
That kind of like played inside.

Speaker 1 (01:25:55):
The match ended in the rock rock Bottom, Billy gun and
Triple HLA's the Rock out with the pedigree. And that's
all she wrote. And actually they documented this match on
an episode of that show True Life, because like a
round the time that show debuted and they did an
episode about wrestling, about being a professional wrestler, and they
followed around Triple H and China and they yeah, showed
this match. Oh okay, interesting, Yeah, it was that same

(01:26:16):
week that WW was on MTV, like the week before SummerSlam.

Speaker 3 (01:26:19):
Okay, show that whole week was like WW.

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
Related, right right right right, all right?

Speaker 1 (01:26:25):
But yeah, so Triple H wins the match. Here he
beats the Rocks, the number one contended for the title
at SummerSlam. And we have the main event, Stone Cold
Steve Boston defending the w W Championship against the Undertaker
in a first blood match with the stipulations we mentioned earlier.
If Austin wins, Vince mcmahn has to leave, but if
the Undertaker wins, Austin can't ever get another title shot.
And before the match, Vince McMahon for all time stake

(01:26:46):
came out to new commentsary but funny enough, he was
on crutches during this time because actually on July fourth,
like a few weeks before this show, we got into
a car accident that injured his buttocks.

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
Damn. I liked how when he was walking towards the ring.
I love how Jay Hard mentioned how you Vincement will
fire you in a bored meeting if you sneezed house.
Just like, what the hell? What a weirdo? What a
weird You can't control your allergies? Bro? Serious? All right?

Speaker 1 (01:27:21):
But anyway, Yeah, we have the match. The matches and
start in the ring. The match starts in the highway.
They start like brawling all over the Aisleway brawling into
the crowd, and yeah, they're both compromised. They're both compromises.
They both got busted in earlier. And then yeah, they're
brawling all over the place. And then there's one point
where Undertaker kind of bumps into the referee. I think
he was supposed to, but it didn't go the way
it showed, so like the Undertaker kicked him down and

(01:27:42):
then he like just fell into the ropes randomly, like
he randomly fell into the ropes. And then Shane McMahon
comes out, and then Austin just clocks his ass with
a chair, and then Undertaker regains the advantage and he's
about to finish off Austin while the referee is down.
And then as he's about to, as he's about to
and Shamai picks up a chair. Then Xpop shows up
to get revenge from earlier in the show and kicks

(01:28:04):
the chair into Undertaker's face.

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
Yeah, and then awesome Proceedo will get the camera from
the cameraman and he used the camera to hit Undertaker
and that's when Undertaker gets busted open, but the referee
Earl Hender's still out. Taker takes advantage over Austin. He's
looked like he's about to give him a tombstone. But
Earl Henner gets up and he sees that Undertaker's bleeding

(01:28:26):
and he calls the match, and the match ended. But
it really didn't end I really think about it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
Hell No, Undertaker knocked down the referee and then Austin
starts bleeding on a Taker on Austin, like, are both
like battling each other while they're both like dripping blood
all over the place. Undertaker even knocks down Shane McMahon,
The Rock and Triple h even coming and make run ins. Yeah,
this whole thing was chaos and like a whole bunch
of officials need you to come out to separate them. Yeah,
to be honest, I think the postmatch is better than

(01:28:55):
the actual match.

Speaker 2 (01:28:57):
I agree. It was literally the wall. It was no
pun intended but damage. So much was going on.

Speaker 1 (01:29:03):
Yeah, but I was just so happy, like when I
watched his match A Night of Air with that Austin won. Yeah,
it was just such a thrill, such a relief because
of the stipulation. And then right after the match, Austin
stunned Vince and then like after he was brawling with
Undertaker and made it back into the ring.

Speaker 3 (01:29:17):
He helped Vince.

Speaker 1 (01:29:18):
Up, or pretending to help Vince up, and we all
knew what was coming from this. As he helped Vince up,
he gave him one last stunner for old times sake,
and then Austin celebrated with the with the beer raised
his hands up, raised the title as blood was stripping
all over his face. And that's how Fully Loaded ninety
nine came to an end.

Speaker 2 (01:29:39):
Overall, what would you give this event?

Speaker 3 (01:29:42):
Eh?

Speaker 1 (01:29:42):
I guess of I'm being nice when I say this
a five out of ten. I'll say the main events,
the main events were good, and the Hardy's and Acolytes
match was good.

Speaker 2 (01:29:52):
Too, five point five out of ten. Yeah, it's I
will give of what the chaos going on during that
night with you know, Austin getting busted open and him
looking for the Taker, and then he has the tag
team match, and then also look the DX tag match.

(01:30:16):
I like how road Dog and Xbox got the win huge.
The direction from the from the crowd was really good.
That was a huge pop that they got great, and
then of course the last two main event matches.

Speaker 1 (01:30:29):
So yeah, the show is another prime example of just
how ww's product. Like in ninety nine, it was still popular,
everybody was still watching it, but other than the main events,
like the main event, angles everything, most of the undercard
wasn't really that interesting. It would not get interesting until
the next year, which was obviously two thousand and fully loaded.

Speaker 3 (01:30:50):
Two thousand was a way.

Speaker 1 (01:30:52):
Stronger show, way better show than the show we just reviewed.

Speaker 2 (01:30:56):
I feel like in general, like i've like pretty much
a majority of the pay reviews from ninety nine, like
the product was really hot, like you know, rawl and everything,
good ratings and all that viewership, but when it came
to their pay per views I felt like most of
their pay per views didn't really like deliver.

Speaker 1 (01:31:16):
Yeah, I mean the main event delivered here. The main
event definitely had a big match field to it, Like
it really felt like it was a big deal. Like,
like I said, in a way, this match was as big,
if not bigger, than the match Austin An Undertaker had
at SummerSlam the year before. I think it was a
better match than the one they had at SummerSlam.

Speaker 3 (01:31:33):
But yeah, like it really oh yeah, it really felt
like a big deal.

Speaker 1 (01:31:36):
So like one thing I'll give WW as far as
like this show goes is that the main event felt
like a big deal and it delivered.

Speaker 3 (01:31:42):
And lived up to the expectations of that.

Speaker 2 (01:31:45):
Yeah, like the main events they did well on, but
it was like just in general as a pay per
view event, it was kind of just like a little
bit of like a led down. Like I felt like
the early pay per reviews from that year was good.
I like Ror Rumble, Saint Valentine's Day, Massacre, okay, I

(01:32:06):
was okay with Russe Somania Backlash was okay. But I
think the summer pay per views were kind of and
then towards the end of the year just like oh no,
like yeah, don't get me started with the rest. Oh man,
I get it.

Speaker 1 (01:32:17):
But still, regardless of memorable time in WW probably the
peak of their business during the Attitude era financially and yeah,
it was the wild Wild West, to say the very least.

Speaker 3 (01:32:27):
But guys, guys, we're out of time. I gotta get going.

Speaker 1 (01:32:30):
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And yeah, just crazy that whole Cogan is dead. Yeah,
I still can't believe it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:50):
Yeah, crazy that he passed away. Let's not forget Malcolm,
Jamal Warner and Ozzy Osbourne. Rest in peace to all
three of them. And yeah, follow us. Also you will
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is for the birds. And more importantly, it says a
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