Clash Of Champions Presents Wrestling Review Rewind: WWE WrestleMania 31

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yo, yo yo, What is going on? My fellow wrestling fans.
Welcome to a brand new week, and welcome to a
brand new edition of what we like to call a
Clash of Champions where we get into the different personalities, storylines, controversies,
and everything in between, for better or worse that centers
around this world we know we love as professional wrestling.

(00:23):
I'm your host, the vegan you believe in, conscious Kurt Aka,
the professor in the flesh as always, and my co
hosts needs no introduction, but the hell with it. He's
about to give y'all one anyway.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
That's Roy Legend, gentlemen, what's up wrestling fans? As tag
team partner Jonathan Randall the adventure himself and it's been
a while since we Grace Grace see you guys with
our presence. I was a little sick this past week
when I'm filming better It's today is opening day for
us for you, for you baseball fans, and I'm excited.
It should make it a holiday. But we are still

(00:56):
in the middle of the holiday right now in the
wrestling world, because we're still in the row to WrestleMania
headed to Las Vegas, and you know, it's kind of
not getting you know, the appropriate you know, praise from
our fans, you know. As far as the build up.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
Yeah, it's kind of been a little up and down.
But we'll get into that in a few minutes. But
speaking of our show, Clashroom Champions, it's very funny. Today
is a very special anniversary. Today is the thirty seven
year anniversary of the very first Classroom Champion special that
was produced by NWA back in nineteen eighty eight, which
went on opposite WrestleMania Ford and that show is mainly

(01:37):
remembered for the coming out party of Sting as him
and Rick Flair went to a forty five minute draw
and that was the match that pretty much puts Sting
on the map.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
That's really good speaking, that's funny you mentioned by anniversaries,
because today, I mean it is our special back in
time segment episode. This is the right time to do it,
and we'll be going back to March twenty ninth, twenty fifteen,
because we will be recapping russell Mania thirty one and

(02:10):
in a couple of days, by the time this episode
is released, lady and gentlemen, it will be the ten
year anniversary. Crazy. It's been ten years already though, but
we'll get into that later. But first, we have been
gone for a week and a lot has been going
on the past couple of weeks in the wrestling world
with our build up to russell Mania.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
Yes, and the main thing that's kind of been going
on is the Giants Cena He'll turn and since we
last spoke to you guys, Giant Cena made his very
first appearents in front of fans, which happened last week
in Belgium, and damn it felt like two thousand and
six all over again because John Cena came back into
that crowd through the arena to a horde of booze,
and yet he did not have one fan in that

(02:50):
entire place. But from what he said in that plomo,
when everything that he got off his chest did not
seem like he gave a shit.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
No he didn't. He pretty much was I, you know
what you thought about me? What about me? What about
my needs? Pretty much? You know, he's pretty much saying
how everything he's given, you know, for the fans, for
this business for the past twenty five years, it's like, well,
what do you thought about me? That's pretty much where
he was coming off from in that segment. We were

(03:17):
hoping that prior to this his heel promo, we were
hoping that we were gonna get a you know, a
different attire from him, even more importantly, a new theme song.
But we didn't.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
Yeah, he basically said, you guys were expecting that, so
guess what, you're not gonna get it. You get nothing.
A bunch of ungrateful assholes. He talked about how like
it's been a toxic relationship between him and the fans
for the last twenty five years, and they've always treated
him poorly. They've always been shitty to him. So now
he's breaking up with them. He's dumping their asses. It's
a rap. It's finished. He's dumping them, just like Miles

(03:53):
dumped Terry and Soul Food when he hooked up with
the cousin and cousin Faith and all that shit. That's
what John Cena did. These damn things ends.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
But what do you thought about the segment though? What
do you thought about the promo? The segment was good,
The promo was good.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
It was basically what you would expect to hear him
say after like all the years, the fans kind of
like gave him a mixed reaction and Shannon Sena sucks
and you're a loser, like the night after WrestleMania twenty eight.
So yeah, it's probably stuff he probably wanted to say,
like when he was going to do that initial He'll
turn in twenty twelve that got mixed, so now he
got the chance to say it now. And it was

(04:30):
good and all, but then I've Cody Rhodes came out
a few minutes later to interrupt, and before Seena could
say anything to him, Cody cut him off and said,
it's not kid, It's Cody Rhoades, w W Champion. And
if this John Sena shows up to WrestleMania, I'm gonna
put him in retirement early. And I hope you find
the real John Cena between then and now as opposed

(04:52):
to this whiny bitch.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
Yeah, the way cook literally cooked him. You know, we've
seen a lot of you know, John Zena promos, and
he's usually we know and know him forgetting the last
say in his promos, but this time it was a
bit different. It was really different because Cody Roads was
the one who got the last word.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
Yeah, scene didn't say anything. I was really expecting a
back and forth. Yeah, for them to like, you know,
fight each other, because YO, see him beat the hell
out of Cody Road did elimination chamber. He kicked him
in the walls, he hit him with the robecks, the
championship belt, and Cody just came out and was like, oh,
mellow and calm. You must have smoked some good ass
weed over there in Belgium if he came out there
so calm. Considering that scene, I did all that stuff

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to him.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
But I mean he did come off calm though, But
at the same time, he said what he needed to
say off his chest, you know what I mean, what
he said was the right thing to say. You know,
he's pretty much like, look whatever John Zena I'm getting.
If I'm getting this type of person is not the
one that I won.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
Yeah, it was fine for what it was, but what
was not so fine was the backup following the segment.
He got this past Monday on Raw from Glasgow, Scotland,
seeing I got the same reaction, the same like quard
of booze reaction from the audience, and he went on
about the fact that the fans rejected the Spinner belt
when he debuted it.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Twenty years ago, Tonny that he mentioned that, Yeah, it was, and.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Then he tied that into the fact that now it's
his mission to ruin wrestling for the audience, and the
way he's going to go about ruining wrestling is by
retiring Hiss WWE champion pretty much.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
And you know, we went into that promo because look,
we didn't get anything about him chasing the title in
his first segment. We got that in the second segment
this time.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
And not even that, not even the fact that he
didn't mention the title in the first segment, but one
thing he never mentioned in either segment was Cody.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
It was Cody, right, You are right about that.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
He's focusing on the fans.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yeah, pretty much on the fans and have like another
face face off of each other next week.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
Yeah, because Monday on Raw in London is supposed to
be seen his last advertise appearance until WrestleMania.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah, man, I heard about that, and that's a bit weird, man,
Like you're you're going to wrestle Mania, right, So next
next week will be with the thirty first right my
Birthday Yesterdy movie. Yeah, and then after that you have
like about what two weeks away until wrestle May three weeks. Yeah,

(07:30):
three weeks. That's that's a bit odd that you're not
going to be on TV. You know around that time.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
There's still a chance you can maybe show up at
one of those ross possibly to go home row before WrestleMania.
Like in this segment, Cody came out once again to
confront Sena and he like unbutton his shirt, he unbuttoned
his tie and all that, and then he laid the
ww title in the middle of the ring and told
John Cena straight up, come and take it. And you
know what John Cena did, walked away like a deadbeat dad. Yes,

(07:59):
John Cena walked the way. But as he was walking away,
Cody told him straight up, the way you're leaving now
is the same way you're gonna leave at WrestleMania empty hand.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
I don't know, man, I'm kind of not getting the
whole lot from this build up. I don't I don't know.
Maybe we'll see something more next week, but I'm not
getting enough spice in this feud going on right now,
if I'm being honest.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
Well, for one, in seeing as promos, he hasn't mentioned Cody.
Another issue was the fact that after seeing it pulled
off the heel turn. You didn't see him for over
two weeks.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
Three.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
Another important issue that's kind of weird that they haven't
brought up is the Rock. The Rock has been brought
up and spoke spoken about it all since Seene has
come back, And yeah, just like the first segment last
week was fine, like you know, it was a nice introduction,
but then for this week to kind of be more
of the same and like a repetitive part of what

(08:56):
last week was, Yeah, it was a bit of a letdown.
So as they spice it up this coming Monday on Rock,
considering that it's seen his last advertise appearance into a WrestleMania,
then yeah, this build from the last month or so
always been pretty much a dud.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
That's what I'm saying. I'm not really getting much and
we're not really getting you alsome kind of to me,
I didn't really get the the like the reasoning why
Xena did what he did, you know, like who I
did it for a rock or stuff like that. I

(09:31):
don't know. I'm just not getting enough from this feud.
There's been other build ups for WRESTLEMANA, it's been pretty
much being pretty good which we'll get into later, but
I don't know, man, we gotta wait until we see
what they're gonna do next week. But right now, I
don't want to see the same repetitive stuff, especially on
John Zena's case, especially with the rumors saying how this

(09:53):
is going to be his last appearance before Mania, which
is not a good thing.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
Yeah, they need to do like a back and forth,
like take shots of each other, like you know scene.
It could bring the fact that you know, you're just
a copy of me, You're a copy of what I
did ten years ago, and then Cody could rebound and say, nah,
that people actually like me. They just rejected you because
you were weird and they could tell you were a puppet,
but they actually liked me as opposed to you. So yeah,
they haven't been doing any of that in this whole

(10:17):
build and that's kind of been a disappointment. So unless
they do that this Monday on Raw, then this build
and storyline has every right to be criticized.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Mm hmm. It's not looking good for Russell man, if
I'm being quite honest. I mean as far as the
ticket sales, and then you know, somewhat of the build
up I don't know, man, I think the only applause
that I'll give Mania right now is for the stuff
that they're doing around the city for the weekend when
they get here. You know, the Hall of Fame ceremony
being at the Fontaine Blue, you know ww World coming

(10:50):
back at the Convention Center. You have you know, Smacked Raw, SmackDown,
NXT standing delivered you know in town as well. And
also we just I just found out the other day
that Living Color, the rock band that performed CM Punk's
theme song, will be performing at Downtown Fremont on Fridays.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
Well they were actually well that song was popular in
the eighties before Sampunk was even a wrestler.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
I know, I know though, but still though you get
my grift though, But they'll be performing at Fremont. As
far as you know, my Vegas locals, just like myself.
They will be performing at Downtown Fremont April eighteenth.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
Maybe see them Punk will make a cameo.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
Let's just hope they perform at Russellmania as well.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
That'd be great because I got to see them perform
at WrestleMania twenty nine when I was there, and that
performance and that match were the only highlight of that
whole show. Yeah, but it's crazy, like not even just
a scene in Cody Roads Built has been getting a
lot of criticism. Even the women's triple threat between Biancorrria
and EO has kind of been weird the last two weeks.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
It's something. You know what, man, if there's one word
I want to describe that whole feud between those three men,
it's toxic. It is completely just like weird and and
just like okay.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
Although Bianca Bellair's outfits has been a major highlight.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
Of them, I don't know what's worse. I mean, because
you know, the past couple of days, I just it's
been a lot of backlash because the reaction that Bianca
bel Air got from a Scotland crowd this past Monday
about how she was getting booed, and you know, you
know a lot of black wrestling fans pretty much took
their frustrations out on social media saying that, oh, it's

(12:32):
not right, it's not fair. Look, I'm gonna point this out.
It's really not It's not a big deal. You got
to remember that wrestling fans have a right to taboo
and sure whoever they want.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
And chances are They're not booing her because she's black.
They're probably booing her because they're like EO Sky and
possibly real Ripley Moore and for the fact that I'm
not gonna lie. In the last couple of segments with Bianca,
she's been coming off a little.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
Heelish, true though, and also she kind of comes off that, Yeah,
and this is a bit weird. Why you know, you
guys are complaining about that, and you shouldn't because like,
if you think that's bad, imagine if she does lose
that wreusselmana they they're really gonna have a whole mouthful
to say. But when you look at this feud Kurt
the way I look at it, I kind of feel
bad for Eel Sky because she is being pretty much

(13:19):
disrespected ever since she's been a champion. She's kind of like,
look like she's being tossed to the third wheel. It's
like Ria Ripley and Bianca Bella are pretty much getting
into it, and then when EO Sky wants to step in,
they pretty much shove her, shove her off to the side,
and that's kind of like, well, that's disrespectful. You know,
I'm the champ.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
Yeah, And it's crazy for how popular Bianca and Rio
Ripley are, EO Sky has pretty much been the baby
facing this whole feud, especially.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
If you judge it by the crowd and the third will.
Yeah that's true.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
Also, but just in general, you could like definitely tell,
like from the segments they've been having recently, that the
fans are more behind EO Sky than either Bianca or Ria.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
I don't love them. I mean, I whoever thought that.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
Would have been a thing like two or three months ago?

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah, I mean, because like we were pretty much just
talking about hey, just real Ripley versus Bianca bel air,
and then all of a sudden, you know, the whole
situation you know with Rea, you know costed EO Sky
the match, you know, the qualifying match, and then you know,
Ria decided, hey, look I'll give you a title shot,
and then out of nowhere, you know, EO Sky wins,

(14:21):
which you know that surprised all of us, and now
guess what, all three of them are in the mix now,
which I'm okay with. But it's just that's why moving forward,
that's why, like to me, I think EO Skott needs
to win this match.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
Well I'll get into that in a second. But it's
kind of really spiced up early the last week or
so since we spoke to you guys where EO and
Bianca were having the contract signing for the match, and
then after they both signed the contract, Ria comes out,
you get into Bianca's face again, and then Bianca pie
faced EO and then Beyonca gets head but by Rhea
and then EO Sky gets power bomb onto Bianca on

(14:59):
the table and then Rias signs the contract herself. If
this had been like WrestleMania twenty when Sean signed the
contract before Crispin, why did that would have been month
but you know they already signed the contract like that, shit's.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
Not Yeah, that was weird, and then Adam Pierce was
kind of like, well, I can't do anything about it.
Of course, you can't do anything about it because both
signatures has been on there already.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
Yeah, and then they escalated this past Monday on Raw
when Adam Pierce was talking about how the signature's not
valid but Rio Ripley's entitled to a rematch, and then
EO came out talking about how she'll take on both
of them. Then Bianca came out and talked about how
Ria didn't earn it so she doesn't deserve it, and
then Ria came out got into Bianca's face, and then
Ria pie faced CEO again and then yeah, like Adam

(15:47):
Pierce had to hold her back, and then Adam Pierce
said straight up, now it's going to be this coming
Monday on raw Eo and Ria and a rematch for
the championship, and that led to a big drawl between
the three of them that ultimately Beyonca got the better
rule of when she Ko d's EO on top of
Rihea outside the ring, which is actually dope. And then
backstage she bargin at Adam Pierce's office like complaining about

(16:08):
who she's gonna face at WrestleMania, even though Adam Peuch
just made a match to decide who she's gonna face
a few minutes ago. And then Adam Pierce, tired of
all this shit, basically said, now in this match, you're
going to be the guest referee.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
Oh my god, problems, problems, problems, and.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
That Bianca's like, I don't have any re experience. I've
never been a referee before.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
What the majority of the wrestlers who do become referees
in a special match don't have an experience this is
this is completely chaotic.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
That's what I mean. Like, that's what I mean. The
way Beyonda's coming off in some of these segments. Yees,
she comes off a little heelish.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
Yeah. Like I said, man to our black wrestling fans,
stop complaining about oh because of the fact that she's
getting booed. And they make a comment saying, because Oh,
Europe is racist because they're brewing her.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
That has nothing to do with it. I mean, look,
I'm not gonna say that there aren't fans who probably
did bore because of that. That's very possible. But to
think that the majority of them booter just because she's
black is ridiculous. Yeah, it's a huge, gigantic stretch.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
Come on, it is not that serious. Like, if you're
going to take that argument, guess what Jake Cargill got
cheered on SmackDown while they're in Europe Italy. Yeah, Italy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
So Jade Cargill suffered her first pin and fall loss
in w W at the hands of Live Morgan due
to Naomi's interference, and Naomi.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
Let her have it.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
Like I said, she needed to get, you know, even
with Jade after recently she came up with like this
new Owen hard type out with all the danger signs
and everything all over her, and then she knocked Jade
Cargill off the apron onto the announced table, kind of
mirroring what most likely she did the Jade when she
put her out a few months ago. So yeah, you

(18:00):
though it's not official. I know we are definitely getting
this match at WrestleMania, yep. But as far as that
triple thread goes with EO, Bianca and Rhea, I'm starting
to think that Naomi and Jade situation is probably gonna
play into that match also, And somehow, some way, Bianca

(18:21):
is going to win the title back.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
That would be so weird if Yo loses it, man,
because like you just got the title, I know, but
and it's like you're just kind of like being shoved
to the corner like that man and no respect and
you lose it. That would be weird. That would be
kind of I don't know, man, that's the way you see.
I like what you're saying, But it's like, man, I
feel bad for Ill in this situation because.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
Beyonca's undefeated at WrestleMania. So that's part of the reason
why I'm thinking she's not going to lose here, and
I'm also starting to feel that she's probably more than
likely going to turn here. Yeah, it's kind of going
in that direction. And who knows, maybe Naomi might help
her win and they might be heals together. Anything is possible, man,
that's one thing I've learned about this. Yeah, anything as possible.

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And Yeah, another match we had made official for WrestleMania
this past Friday on SmackDown, although it's weird because there's
no stipulation or prize on the line, is the triple
threat between seem Punk, Roman Reigns, and seth Rollins.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
Yeah, and they pretty much well, it was Roman Reigns
they apparently on smacked Down this past Friday in Italy
and pretty much saying, hey, seeing Punk cost me to
Roy Rumbles, so I cost him his match in a
steel cage match at Madison Square Garden. Seth Ronins tried

(19:43):
to kill me, so guess what, I try to do
the same thing to him. Anybody got a problem with
the tribal Chief, come confront me, come let me know,
and then seth Rawlins comes out. I'm pretty much saying like, hey,
I you know I almost got the job done. You
know you made a big mistake, and you know we
have so many chapters between us. I think we need

(20:03):
to make another one. And then out come see him
Punk pretty much saying, how you know you've Roman? You
know you forgot that it was every man for himself
after Royal Rumble, and pretty much he was talking about
his favor from Paul Hayman still which we still don't
know yet to this day. Hopefully we'll find out later on.
And he was talking about thanking Paul Hayman to delivering

(20:25):
Roman reigns and me, and then he goes and beats
up Roman rains and they have an all out brawl
between the three of them to the point where security
had to get involved.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
Yo, I'm not gonna lie. These brawls are starting to
get old.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
There's like a it's like too many.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
Yeah, they had a Yeah, they had a braw last Friday.
And then Punk and Violins had that brawl a few
weeks ago. And then Charlotte Flair and I'm sorry, Charlotte
Flair and Tiffany Stratton had that brawl two weeks ago
on SmackDown two where Tiffany Stratton like jumped on top
of the security guards and like didn't even touch Charlotte.
I'm like, damn, who knew she was more mad at
the security guards than her.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
My thing is with all of these bras they've been having,
like how much insurance policies they have on these security guards. Man,
It's like they're getting hurt left and right, and they
keep coming back and back.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
Yeah, some weird shit, but yeah, these bras are like
really getting repetitive. And look, this match does look interesting,
even though there should be more of the stipulation to it.
And yeah, Punk had a great promo one day on Raw,
even though he was the only one they're out of
the three, talking about how don't forget I brought the
two of you into this business and I can't wait
to be the one who takes you both out of

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this business.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
Yeah, but also let's not forget. Prior to him saying that, Kurt,
he had talked about, how, well, you know what, I
do have a wrestle Manian match, but is it really
the one that I want? He is foreshadowing the type
of Wrestlemnian match that he really wanted. Kurt is a
championship match. It's one thing when you have a match
with wreussell Mania though, but the championship match at that

(22:06):
event is the one that he's been yearning for for
the longest time. He mentioned about how he had his
opportunity at the Royal Rumble, you had a second opportunity
out elimination Chambers. So and then with this contract signing,
this will coming Friday, I think we're gonna see some
type of stipulation or whatever is going to be added

(22:29):
into that contract. We're gonna see what's gonna happen, because
I've been look, I've been trying to tell everybody that
when you have these kind of matches, when you have
like a three away or fra away and there's no stipulation,
doesn't make any sense. You have to have a stipulation.
What are you know, these men fighting for? What's the goal?

Speaker 1 (22:48):
Yeah, I'm sure they'll add something to it, but more
than likely this is definitely going to be the night.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
One main event, oh of course. Yeah. And be prior
to all that, we were all thinking that we'll be
Gunther and Jay us So and a lot of the
fans were kind of like crapping on Jay us right now,
because especially after what happened not this past week, but
the week prior where he had that botched mistake where

(23:13):
Jay he's still trying to do a flip over the
top rope, but he fell kind of you know, tripped
over it, and they're kind of like, yo, this is
the dude that wants to be champion. It kind of
been crapping now there and.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
Now they're implementing it into the storyline because on Rob Monday,
after him and Jimmy teamed up and beat a Tom down,
under Booter came out again to attack Jimmy and Jay,
and then Jay was getting ready to spear going through,
but then he tripped and then going through is like
just started pounding on him before Jimmy could come and
save him. Backstage, when Jimmy was talking to Jay and
like kind of giving him a motivational speech, like that

(23:45):
was brought up again about the you know flip from
last week and also the spear from this week, and
like Jimmy was basically telling Jay, like, Yo, this Jay
doesn't have a chance with WrestleMania. But the Jay that
I knew, the Jay's that was my partner for years
and we won the titles together and were the champions
for hold on that Jay has a chance Yeah, and
then Jimmy confronted going Through a few seconds later and

(24:06):
then challenge him to a match is coming Monday on
Raw Where's going Through? Accepted? But Jimmy slapped a ship
out of going Through.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
What the five words said to the face? Man, I
was one hell. But the fact that he got away
with it too though. I thought Goo was gonna attack
him at first though, but he didn't do anything about it.
I was like, oh my.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
God, Yeah, he got a way for it for now.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
But yeah for now though, but.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
Wow, yeah he slapped going Through the way that John
Witherspoon's backed his mom and Friday after next.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yeah pretty well. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
I can't stand that movie, but that was one of
the few funny parts of it.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
Man, that's gonna be interesting match though next week though,
to have Jimmy Jimmy over his Goo Through. So we're
gonna see how that's gonna play out.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
I know how it's gonna play out. Going Through is
gonna fuck his ass up.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
Yeah, and then Jay's gonna get involved. We're gonna see
what's gonna happen. But I don't know, man, it hasn't
been a point where Jay had like an offensive advantage
over Guther. It's just been all goother these past few weeks.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
Yeah, but I feel like the few is getting a
little bit better now with the inclusion of Jimmy. Yeah,
so like these like slip ups with Jay were the
kind of implementing it into the story where like Jay's now
having OUs, So that's making it a little better compared
to what it's been the last three weeks. But still
even with that aside, I don't think it's gonna go
on last over the Triple Threat.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
No oh no. I mean even before the match was announced,
we're kind of still like, well, yeah, you know, Goon
th Ja made an event. But then once that Triple
Threat was added in, I was like, oh, yeah, they're
definitely It's no there's no way, there's no way. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
I mean, look, I get that it's the championship match,
but at the end of the day, it's just not
a bigger match than that one.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Yeah, with the star part that you have in that
match with those three people.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
Yeah, and you know, Dave Meltzer said that this match
is where the triple because there's no history between those
three guys is he talking about so was.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
He talking about? Of course there's history. I mean, come on,
you shouldn't be surprised, man, I mean, come on.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Yeah, he said some weird ship from time to time.
But that's another story. But from what we saw last month, Yeah,
but from what we saw last Monday on ra there's
another match we're likely getting at WrestleMania because in the
main event, we did see bron Breaker defend the Uncontinental
title against Penta, but dominated the stereo and Carl Leito's
interference caused a qualification. And then Finn Balor came out

(26:33):
and he's acted as if he was going to attack
Dominic with the steel chair, but instead he handed it
to him, and he and Finn Baller basically got the
better of Breaker and also Penta. They beat the hell
out of them both with the chair and even at
one point Dominant tried to tease Penter, joining him to
be a judgment day, but obviously Penter wasn't falling for it.

(26:54):
But multimately they got the better of him, and yeah,
Finn Balor hit Penta with the gras and the three
of them stoods all at the end of the show
for presuming the judgment day to be like reunited at
least for now, but from what we saw from that segment,
we're definitely getting probably a starway with domin Finn, Pensa,
and Breaker for the Icy title.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
Yeah. Ever since the week before that, when the match
between bron Breaker and Finn Valor, you notice there's a
camera shot of Dominic Mysterio looking at the inner that'll
belt outside of the ring. So that was already the
planning of the Seeds where I was like, Okay, I
think I see dom going for that title. So it's
not a surprise to me that eventually they're going to

(27:38):
book a four way between the four I think is good,
especially for Dominic Mysterio and also for Penta too. I
want to see Penta go after that title as well,
so it's good for him and also for Dominic Mysterio.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
So yeah, it'll be Dominiqu's first WrestleMania match not involving
his father, so that'll be Yes, it's gonna be Penca's
first WrestleMania, bron Breakers first WrestleMania, and it would have
been nice to see like a bron Breaker in Pensus
singles match at WrestleMania because they kind of teased that
last week, but they did. Having Dominic and Finn Balery
involved like gives them more stories to tell, and also

(28:11):
it's probably more of a way to get everybody on
the show.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
True, that's very true. Yes.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
And also another match we'll probably see it WrestleMania is
Ray Mystereo against this newcomer, El Grande Americano.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
What do you think about the storyline for one, because
here's another situation where the fans, there's some there's some fans.
This is offensive. Like, dude, it's just the storyline. It's
not offensive. It's funny. You have the funniest thing. I
saw the whole video package of Oh they even impleted
the Gulf of America people, Oh my god. And then

(28:48):
they're all, oh, where he came from. He's one of
the greatest lucha wrestlers of all time and.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
He gets jacking time.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
But it's it's a funny. It's it's hilarious. I like it.
It's funny. Theme music, yo, His steam music cracks me.
Oh my god, Oh my god. Whoever came up with
the theme that should get a raise because I like
it's like, it's an American, but it's in It's literally

(29:25):
it's in corrinos and it's like a Mexican version of
like an American song. I like it.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
Yeah, this is kind of the w W version of
the movie Natural Debrie pretty much.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Yeah, but I like it. I like the starline. It's funny.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
I wasn't sure what to think of it at first,
but like, after what we saw this week, it's definitely.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
Growing on me. Oh yeah, yo.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
And yet Chad Gable goes into Adam Puch's office claiming
to be sick, sick, and that he can't do the
match with Dragon Leaves. So then he recommends Our Grande
Americano the takes place. They agree, and then El Grindea
Americano takes off, dragging Thee's masks and then dragging me
trying to cover his face, and then Grindia Americano puts

(30:10):
him in the ankle lock and then gets to win.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
Yeah yeah, I tell you, hey, I'm telling you man.
It's one of those things when you really.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
Think about it.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
I was like, this is not gonna work, but it's working.
It's working, yo.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
But honestly, that was the best matching the whole show
on Monday was that match.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
Yeah, so we're probably gonna get like, probably Raymonstereo against
El Grindea Americano, probably like in a mask versus mask
match something along those nights.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
Interesting.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
Interesting, Yeah, and over on smacked on. Obviously we're gonna
get Naomi and Jade. You know, I'm loving this new
Naomi look as a heel, though you can definitely tell
she grew up a big fan of Owen Hart.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
Oh yeah, I like to meme.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
That I saw online of that new well Fit where
it said where she's toxic and there's all the warning
signs all over her, but you still like her anyway.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Oh god.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
And then we have Tiffany Stratton and Charlotte for the
women's title, and that match does not feel very important,
especially after Charlotte basically cook Tiffany Stratton and that like
you know, back and forth like interview they had on
Friday on SmackDown where Tiffany was like saying, when I
become your age, I'm gonna be even better than you,
and then Charlotte's response was, by the time you're my age,

(31:29):
you'll be lucky if you can still work here. Damn.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
Yeah, yeah, like I said before, I'm still sticking to
this opinion. I think Tiffany Stratton really needs to win
that match badly.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
At the very least, she needs to have like a
standout performance. Whether she wins or losing, she needs to
have like that standout performance.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
That is true, though, you know, but I'm also looking
at the fact, like she just won the title.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
You know, well, it has its not necessarily just want it.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
But true. But who has defendited against like.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
Niagat Jack's but the match ended on at the qualification. Yeah,
you know what I mean, Well, Bailey, she'd be Bailey, Okay. Yeah,
but they need to spice that feud up a little
bit too.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
This is the first time that she they're actually doing
like the actual in depth storyline going sun event with
the title, you know. So yeah, I'm looking at at
that point. So yeah, we'll see what happens with that.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
Also, since we last booked to you guys, it's official
we're gonna get Randy Orton and Kevin Owens at WrestleMania.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
Oh yes, yes, yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
Also we're gonna get Damien Priest and Drew McIntire. That's
also been made official. I do like the story. They'd
be kind of like I'm telling with it, where Drew's
bringing up the fact that that Damien's kind of like
screwed him over so many times in the last year,
from you know, the money in the bank cashion last year,
the clash of the castle, so the other money the
Cashion when he tried to cash him but then Punk

(32:52):
messed it all up. Yeah, and then eliminating him from
the world Roumbow and elimination Chamber. So yeah, I mean, look,
I'm sure it's not the most appealing for Drew considering
the year that he's had, but Yo, they're making it work.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
They're really making it work. They're they're kind of like
you have, you need to have your your you're justified
reasons for the feud, you know, and what they did
that that history. Again, I like those kind of storylines
when you I like to call them cold case feuds
because you're pretty much you're going over stuff that happened,

(33:29):
you know, from the past, either if it was like
from a year ago or even from a couple of
years ago, and it pretty much, you know, comes back
around into a storyline. So I like those. I like
those kind of storylines.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
And Russell, Yeah, it fucks with it too, So yeah,
we're gonna get that match. We're probably gonna get like
a three or four a way for the US title
with like l A Knight, Jacoba Tou Bron Strowman, and
maybe they'll add so into it.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
Maybe we'll get that, Oh I thought, because the way
I've been looking at it looks like it's just been
kind of like to the point where I'm I thought
I was just gonna see Jacob Fatu in solo one
on one because they kind of been buttoning heads with
each other for a minute.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
But since they're involved with La Night of the whole
US title situation, I think they're probably gonna get added
into that. So that's kind of where I'm saying. And
if they do have a singles match, you'll probably be
maybe a backlash or sometime later this.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
Year, oh, which will be in Saint Louis by the
way it was announced.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
Yeah, and they need to make the main event on
that show, Randy Orton against John Cener.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
We'll see, depending on what happens, we'll see either Randy
Orton and John Cena or Randy Orton and Cody Rhodes.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
Yeah, all right, but yeah, we'll definitely see what happens
with that being since we last spoke to you guys,
the Street Profits won the tag team titles from DIY,
the first time they've been the champions in four years.
So now they're going into WrestleMania as the champions. So
we'll probably see them like in a multi team match
with like DIY MotorCity machine Guns pretty deadly. Probably see

(34:55):
something along those lines.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
But good for them though, they they that was a
good moment for I was really happy for them. Yeah,
me too. It was a good look.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
They got to have hold nice sort of versions of
the titles compared to the titles.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
That they had. Yes, yeah, yeah, that that's a good
point yep from Rob.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
We're probably gonna get the War Raiders against New Day
for the tag team titles. I think that'll make sense.
And from what we saw on Monday, I think we're
probably gonna get Live Morgan in on Mikeuel Rodriguez defending
its women's tag titles against Libra Valkuira and Bailey.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
Oh right, and yeah, because Laravakira had a match against
Raquel Rodriguez Women's inn Account title this past Monday, Yes,
and she won.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
Even though Live Morgan tried to interfere and then live
in miquel The taped her afterwards and then Bailey came
out to a rescue. But I did notice Bailey kind
of staring at the Women's Icy title Libra, so tag
title match they could do, possibly Libra against Bailey for
the Women's Icy title. Yeah, so that's kind of looking
like what the WrestleMania card is going to be. I

(36:00):
think it'll still ultimately turn out well in the end,
like when the show happens, But as far as the
bill they've been doing to get there, it's.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
Been a little hidden miss true. But you got to
remember it's funny how ten years ago Wressell Maana thirty
one didn't really have that much of a good build up.
And guess what, we got a great wrestleming, one of
the greatest, one of the greatest of all time.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
And we'll get into that in a few minutes, but
before we do, I want to spend congratulations to Ricochet
and Samantha Irvin. They just got mad.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Yeah, congratulations to them.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
I saw that right, Yeah, it looks like a beautiful wedding.
Congratulations to them both. Wish them the best. And also
it's been announced that the Natural Disasters will officially be
going into this year's Hall of Fame. Yeah, congratulations to them.
Also rumored to go into the Hall of Fame this
year is also Kamala oh okay announce yet and potentially

(36:50):
Ken Shamrock.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Oh wow, yeah interesting.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
Hearing his name float around. Davely, it should be Demolition
going in this year, But I don't have anything against
the Disasters going in, and I definitely don't have anything
against Ken Shamrock going in.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
I think that would be very interesting that Ken Shamrock
gets inducted if he gets inducted into this year's Hall
of Fame, especially the fact that it will be here
in Las Vegas, the home of UFC, where he originally
started from. So I thought, I think that would be
pretty pretty much poetic if that happens.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
Who knows, maybe the Rock can induct him hmm, or
maybe Steve Blackman. Maybe Steve Blackman will make an appearance
an induct.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
Him, Yeah, I wondered. Yeah, hm.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
And it came out yesterday Soreya made the announcement that
she's officially done with AW.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
Yeah, yeah, I heard about that. And I'm also Gail Kim.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
Got fired from TNA. Yeah, it rehired Tessa Blanchard, who
has a horrible reputation, who's like has accusations of being
racist and like just a horrible person all around. But
yet Gail Kim was like very well liked, very well
respected by everybody. They let somebody like that go weird, Yeah,

(38:06):
it doesn't speak well in the hiring and firing process. Nope, Yeah,
no one why Jordan Grace maybe wanted to get out
of there, all right, but yeah, And also did you
see Swarve Strickland's interview on.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
Lad TV.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
Did you see like any clips of that, No, where
he talked about the whole Booker T thing about like
you know what Booker T said about his comments about
why WW let him go and how Squore basically used
like the card of the fact that he got let
go because he was black. He used that as a reason.
And then when you're talking about like what Booker T
said about that in response, he basically said, Booker T

(38:44):
can't say anything because of the fact that Vince mc
mahn said the N word right in front of him
on live TV.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Uh, that's a bit silly to say that. Swarf said that, right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
He's saying like, Yo, you can't say anything when vincemc
mann literally said that word right in front of you
on live television and you did nothing about it.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
Well, from one, if Swerve was smart, he would have
known that the whole thing that was the work, that
was a shoot. It's not like it was actually happened
in real life or whatever, you know, but the whole
thing was a shoot.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
Look, it was a dumb ass segment. Don't get me wrong,
it's cringe worthy. I'll never watch that shit again in
my life. But yes, it was a skit, very bad skit,
but it was a skin.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
It was a shoot. Well, a shoe would mean that
it was real. Oh I mean, not a shoe, you
know what I mean. But it was a segment. So
if Swerve was smart, he would know that he's not
going to like react in a real way in a
segment like that, you know what I mean. So I
thought that was a bit that's a that's a bit
silly thing to say that.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
Yeah, because I remember Booker T was saying that like
he's bringing up the race issue too much. Because remember
that Swerve interview from the Breakfast Club where he basically said, like,
you know how they treat the black wrestlers, and granted,
they haven't been very kind to the black singles wrestlers recently,
I'll admit that.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
Well, you know what, I've noticed. It's funny because you
were just talking about the US title Picture, right was
it a couple of weeks ago or a few weeks ago,
Kurt Brandy Orton and Carmelo Hayes were having a couple
of good matches between each other, to the point where
I was like, oh, you got to push Carmelo now,

(40:25):
at least get him into like a US title picture
because he's working with Orton and never working with each
other very well.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
I'm sure he'll get there at some point, but I
will admit there is a difference between how well the
black wrestlers are doing on the male side in WWE
compared to AEW. Oh yeah, that's a fair argument because
in a w you have Swerve Strickland, you have Ricochet,
you have the Hurt Syndicate, and as far as WWE goes,

(40:54):
you have yeah, Carmelo Hayes, but he loses more often
than that. You have our truth. Ar truth is more
of a comedy act, you.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
Know what, man, and I wish like, look, I'm not
hating on the comedy act of our truth though, but Dude,
when you look at his work, like a long time ago,
when he was working for DNA back in the day, Dude,
I was watching a promo from him. I was like,
oh my god. He was like legit, like good on

(41:24):
the mic, like I'm not talking about he was very
serious on the mic. And I was like, oh my god,
how come they didn't? Dude? They could have easily could
have used that use that character for ww though. But
obviously they had different plans though. And I mean, I'm
not hating like I said, I'm not hating on the

(41:44):
comedy act that he does, but there's so much potential
you could do with him. And I saw that promo
and I was like, oh my god, like this whole
entire time.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
He was even in that movie The Wrestler. He had
a cameo with that. I actually watched it last week.
He was actually in one scene. Okay, so it was
Ernest Miller. Ernest Miller's the Duty Wrestlers.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
And the Ernest Cat Miller. Yeah, he's the Duty Wrestlers.
In the last match at the end of the movie,
those dance moves he did back in w c Doubles hilarious.
Everybody even had James Brown show up on w c W. Kurt,
I remember, first get some I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
First Rocky four gets James Brown to make a cameo
and then w CW gets some.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
Main Oh man, Yeah, I like, I like.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
Swerve, but some of these comments, I'm kind of like
iffy about it.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
I don't know, man, I just I hate it when
they when people try to use the race card thing.
It's just it's annoying.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
Look, I think he was definitely unfairly fired a couple
of years ago, and he actually died into that and
talked about how like top Dollar was kind of the
one who was responsible for that because he kind of
was like asking questions to the office about be Fab
because be Fab actually got fired before them, and he
was like asking questions kind of I guess, aggressively, and
I kind of like rubbed off that on the rest

(43:06):
of the group and that's kind of why they got
that goal. So yeah, look, I don't think he was
fired fairlyas Worth Strickland, but I don't think they literally
just fired him and the rest of the crew just
because they're black. Yeah, I don't dot there's some racist
things that go on in WW in the office with
some certain people in charge. I don't doubt that there's
some prejudices that do exist. But to play it in

(43:29):
every single last situation, and in this one specifically, I
don't think it's necessary.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
And it goes back with the Bianca bell Air situation.
It's like, oh my god, they're boon or because because
she's black, Europe is Europe is racist, and I'm like, okay,
for one, not to you know, beat up a dead horse,
as Old Saint goes. But it's like, look, majority of
the fans who are complaining about that, look no offense.
You guys have not even step out of the country

(43:56):
to know whether or not certain countries are racist. And
yet there's so much that is going on within our
own country.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
Yep, you can't deny that at all. And to be honest,
I dislike Elon Musk more than I dislike Trump these days. Yeah,
the whole thing's a mess. And like I said, this
is kind of the equivalent to saying that Kamala Harris
didn't win the election and people didn't vote for it
because she's black. And look, I'm not gonna say that
there aren't people who didn't vote for it because of

(44:28):
those reasons, but just in general, let's be honest, the
Democrats did not run a good campaign and a lot
of people were kind of tired of their toxic bullshit
that they refuse to take any accountability for. And look,
I don't like Trump, I don't like what's going on
right now. I think it's horrible. But the Democrats definitely
have some blame in this situation that they need to
find the acknowledge because if they don't, we're just going

(44:49):
to be in the same situation in the next election
and the election after that and so on. All right,
but enough of that political bullshit. Are you ready to
jump into our pro wrestling dolorium?

Speaker 2 (45:03):
That's yes, indeed, Oh yes, indeed, I'm ready. So yes.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
It's been ten years since this very memorable show known
as WrestleMania thirty one, which took place at Levi Stadium
in Santa Clara, California.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
And I actual twenty ninth watch twenty.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
Ninth of that year, and I am very familiar with
this show because I was there in person.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
You were there in person. I'll ask you some lot
of questions about this event that you were there, WrestleMania
I attended. Yes, yeah, but before we jump into Wresselmena
thirty one, we will be discussing events and stuff that
took place during that month of twenty fifteen. No, I
mean there are some interesting things though, actually on the

(45:46):
music side, actually though, but do you remember the song
see You Again by Woz Khalifa?

Speaker 1 (45:52):
Of course, I do remember that song very well from
that time period. Actually, a few days after this WrestleMania,
I went to Vegas and I was staying with my
best friend. We actually cooked pass over dinner together, and
that day were in the dinner together, We're listening to
the radio and one of the songs they played constantly
on the radio was that song So You would Get
from Whisky leaflu.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
So March ten. That got commissioned by the film on
Pharious seven as a treatment to Paul Walker who passed away.
That was pretty much like the whole theme of that song.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
Yeah, he's in the whole video. Yeah, it's the fast
even song.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
Yeah. Are you familiar with one direction breaking up that month?
I'm not familiar with that, knowing that, No, they pretty
much I think too, of the artists I think they
broke up that month. Here's another one March twenty third,
which is my younger brother's birthday. By the way, Chris

(46:46):
Jenner and Bruce Jenner divorce after thirteen years of marriage.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
Oh that's so sad.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
And this is the whole before, this is before you know,
Bruce Jenner did a whole sex change though, But yeah,
I didn't. I kind of out about that. Yeah, they
got a divorce. Can you tell me what was the
number one song uptown Funk Bruno Mars. That was a
very popular song. They're playing a song a lot on
the radio, though, but it was a good it was

(47:13):
a it was a good song though, that song. They
were playing that song like clubs and everywhere, Yeah, pretty
much everywhere.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Yeah it was Mark. It was Mark Ronson actually.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
But yeah, yeah, I remember.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
There was a meme on Facebook that was hilarious, a
vegan is meme where it said that so you think
you can get protein off of a vegan diet and
the response was don't believe me, just watch and then
they play the song, Oh wow, I already know I'm
one vegan protein Sexy Motherfucker.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
One of my favorite albums that came out that month
and it's been ten years now. Is a to Pimp
a Butterfly by Kendrick was released on March fifteenth. That
was a very very good album. I was actually just
listening to it last week and I just forgot how
good that album was. If very good, Tuck, Yeah, that

(48:09):
whole album had a message, man, it was a very
deep message. And then throughout the whole album very good.
All of his music is deep, bro.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
But in all, honestly, my favorite Kendrick albums would have
to be that Section eighty mixtape, which actually came out
before like his actual first album.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
Oh yeah, okay, so good kid. Mad City was dope. Yeah,
very very Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
Mister Morale, mister Morale from a couple of years ago.
I personally liked a lot.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
I have that on vinyl and I just recently got
GNX on vinyl as well.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
Yeah, that We Cry Together saw and they gave me
vibes of Jody and you got from baby Boy.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
Straight up. Can you tell me what was the number
one movie on March twenty ninth.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
I think it was this movie called Home.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
I don't know. It was an animated movie. I never
seen it. Yeah, I never seen that kind of like
I was like, I never heard this movie though, but yeah,
that was the number one movie that day. Though.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
But as far as movies, I remember around this time,
I think I saw this movie with Will Smith and
that girl who played Barbie what was her name?

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Again? Oh? Is it called a Focus or something? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (49:17):
I saw that movie that month, and yeah, I was.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
Kind of that movie. I never seen that movie. Was
that movie good? It was? Okay?

Speaker 1 (49:22):
Nothing right home about? What was that movie about?

Speaker 2 (49:25):
Again? He's like a like a con artist or something
like that?

Speaker 1 (49:27):
Or yeah, I mean, look it was better than a handcock,
but that's not really saying much.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
Oh okay, yeah it was on It was on Netflix,
so I never had an opportunity to watch it though.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
But also around that time, another movie that came out
was that Get Hard movie from Will Ferrell.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
And Kevin Hart. Oh, I never seen that.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
It was funny for what it was. I saw it once.
I enjoyed it for what it was.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
Okay, what was Kurt Cadet doing in twenty fifteen? Well,
at this.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
Point in twenty fifteen, I was actually getting ready to
move to Vegas, actually Vegas. One month after this WrestleMania,
I drove my car from South Florida to there. But
around this time, I was going on my birthday trip,
which was going to consist of going to San Francisco
for WrestleMania and then going to Vegas to see my
best friend and also get things situated from my move.

(50:15):
And yes, this trip to San Francisco actually marked my
very first time ever visiting California.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
Oh wow, I'd never been.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
To California before until this trip.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
Yeah, okay, so it's pretty funny how crazy bills ten
years ago. So me twenty fifteen was that was actually
the first year that I started I went to UNLVA.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
Oh wow, around this time or after this, not.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Around that time though later I'll start the fall semester though,
But I wasn't in school during that time of WrestleMania
because I had already graduated from CSN like the semester prior,
so I really wasn't doing much, not necessarily, you know,
going out as much or anything. That didn't start to change,

(51:04):
not un till later that year though. But it's really
funny how that kind of that whole year in general
for me kind of like I started to see a
little bit of change in me I started, you know again,
I started un ov later that year. Twenty fifteen was
actually the first year I actually went to gold Spike
for the first time.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
Oh cool, that's what's up.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
A funny story. Funny story. My very first night that
I went there, I was under your impression where I
thought like, oh, you know how you have to go
to a club and you have to really be dressed
up and're not gonna let you go in. So I
literally had like a dress shirt, I had slacks and
you know, nice shoes to go because I didn't even

(51:44):
I thought there was a dress code or whatever, you know.
So when I go there, I'm literally just overdressed. I
see everybody just completely dressing very casual, and I was like,
oh my god, was I was very embarrassed. Funny story,
I was pretty embarrassed. I was like, man, I was like,
I can't believe actually, Like.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
Was that then actually started to see that maybe downtown
Vegas is a lot more fun than the strip?

Speaker 2 (52:06):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah absolutely. That's when I was
kind of like, yeah, you know, that's when I started
and I started to get the feel of what was
going on within the city and started you know, going
to you know, different restaurants and stuff and going out
to eat, you know, usually the places I usually like
to go to this day. But yeah, that's airs a

(52:28):
very funny first night of going there to go Spike,
and I really wasn't doing much. I was just I
didn't do anything. I just I went there with a
friend and be just chilled and just talk. That was it.
Nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with that, I'm I'm
not saying though. But the funny thing about that I
was I was completely overdressed. I was like, Wow, happens.

(52:49):
I can't believe I was over your overdressed and everybody
else is dressing all casual. I'm like, well, damn, maybe
the group. It's a tip for next time whenever I
come back here, which I did time and time after again. Though,
But yeah, it's crazy how twenty fifteen was for me.
I watched russell Mania thirty one at my friend's house.

(53:12):
We didn't have WW network yet at the time, so
my friend in we just want me and my brothers
we went over to his house to watch it.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
That sounds dope, And yeah, I was in that stadium.
I got there a little early, like about an hour
and a half before the pre show started, and yeah,
just a great vibe being around those fans who come
from like different places across the world, but you guys
all have that same thing in common. So with that regard,
you had that connection. And I will say it was
hot as hell outside.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
That I was just getting ready to ask you that, man,
because I was just I was watching I was watching
wressell MANA thirty one, you know, just recently yesterday, and
you know, we got to remember throughout the whole day,
the sun was out. Yeah, that was zumping about.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
This WrestleMania because it was like the first WrestleMania like
on the West coast. That would be.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
For the first time in ten years though, because you
got to remember ten years ago wressell MANNI wasn't Cali
but in La though, but it was indoors though. But yeah,
it was the first time that Mania was back on
the West coast because majority of the time they're always
on the East coast or of you know, the Midwest.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
Other than WrestleMania at nine, this is pretty much the
only WRESTLEMANI that pretty much took place in daylight for the.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
Majority of it.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
Yeah, it got dark like towards the end, like the
last mattress, So we got dark, but I get that
shows in the daylight.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
Man, I was just saying my side had to be hot.
It was really hot that day. I was. I was
just getting ready action that Vegas hot. But yeah, we're
still pretty hot because the sun was beaming down on you. Like,
do you like we're exactly where you're sitting at where
you're sitting on the side where the sun was shining
on you.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
I was sitting in the two hundred section, like behind
the announce stable area.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
Oh wow, okay, yeah, you're getting across from the entrance. Yeah,
so like that area you're facing an entrance. Yeah, I
was facing the entrance. Yes, okay, wow with good seats.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
The best seats I had at the WrestleMania was twenty eight.
But these are still good seats, especially for what I
paid for them. Being California. You remember how much he
paid for them, Like.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
Two fifty is maybe two fifty give or take. Yeah,
it wasn't too bad.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
And I just like the fact that stadium had vegan
options because obviously San Francisco, it's the Bay Area, and yeah,
I was it was just so dope to be in
that Stadium, and yeah, they had some vegan hot dogs.
I had to said wine.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
I got drunk off of wine there because they didn't
have any liquor. What Wow? Was it a Is it
a nice stadium? Though?

Speaker 1 (55:32):
So great stadium? Honestly, I would say it's the best
stadium out of all the stadiums I've been to for WrestleMania.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
Really over over at and T Stadium in Dallas.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
Well, that stadium's dope too, But the problem was it
was such a mission to get inside, like with the
whole like security situation, Like it took us like forever
to get in, Like we didn't get in until like
the beginning of like the ladder match. So like that
kind of ruined my experience. And Life Stadium or hard
Rock Stadium or whatever they call it now because it's
changed names so many damn times. That stadium is also cool,

(56:06):
but obviously it's an older stadium, so you know what
it has, it has that you know, Yeah, that and
MetLife Stadium's cool. It's fine. It's fine also, But obviously
the biggest dump of the stadium I've been toun no
disrespect to the city of Orlando, was the Camping World
Stadium where I went to for thirty three.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
Of course that's an old stadium. Now. The only reason
why it made it look good because you know they
you know, they designed it. Yeah, make it.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
I remember I remember Jericho talking about it on that
WrestleMania documentary about how that stadium was all old and
messed up, And then when I went there for that WrestleMania,
I'm like, holy shit, Jericho was not lying. The stadium
is old and in a very bad neighborhood too. Yeah,
the neighborhoods it's in. It's a mad schedule.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
So there's a lot of interesting facts about this event,
some stuff that I did not even know about. So
I it's a long one, but it really interesting though,
so says here Daniel Brian will become the first man
to win a World Championship, Intercontinental Championship, and tag titles

(57:17):
matches on Mania's main show three straight years.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
And it's so crazy. He won the inn Yeah, I'm sorry.
He won the ww title in the main event of
Wresselemania the year before, and then won the Intercontinental title
in the opening match of this WrestleMania.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
Yeah, very interesting though, but a very good way. Also,
a very good way to start off the match though,
which we'll get into later. Though, we're going to becoming
more of these facts that I see. The US title
match between Russif and John Zena. This was the first
US title match that they had at a wrestle Maana
for the first time in eight years. It's been a

(57:53):
long time. I think the last time they had one
was back in two thousand and seven, which was between
Chris bin Wall and MVP at Russell May twenty three.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
Yeah, I remember that, and yes, I remember the Russef
and John Cena Rocky four match from this WrestleMania.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
Hey, Hey, hey, Russa's entrance was dope. Oh no, it
was great. Yo. I loved it. I was dope, and
they're playing when they're playing the Russian national anthem, I was.
I was literally was like Rocky four, he has.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
The Russian soldiers come out and like Lina is just
holding he comes out in the tank.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
That was a badass. That was crazy. So I was
all right, which entrance you thought was more dope that one?
Or bray White's interesting because I liked the whole theme
of him walking with the scarecrows. I thought that was
very eerie. But also cool.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
At the same time, Ray Witwitt's entrance was great at
that show.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
That entrance was dope.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
The only thing that kind of heard it though that
was that it was still in daylight.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
That is true though it was still entrance though, don't
get me wrong, you have a good point. That is true,
though you kind of wish that taker in Bray Wyatt
I started like a little bit a little bit later
it was darker. And speaking of the time, it's funny
you mentioned about the daylights and everything. Kurt. This will
be the last WrestleMania that will be under that four

(59:13):
hour time limit. Yep, this show is pretty much exactly
four hours.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
And yes, from WrestleMania thirty two one, they would be
like five and a half hours. And now we have
two nights of WrestleMania because how long they were going.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
It's just it's crazy how how much change after this Mania,
because like yeah, like you said, the rest of the
WrestleMania's moving forward, which is over barely too long to
the point where I'm like, dude, is this thing, this
is this event over yet you would think it's like okay,
it will start like what four pm Pacific time, and
it's like already seven o'clock and they're still in the

(59:48):
middle of the car and I'm like, no, like what,
they're still in the middle of the car, Like it's
like it's beend what two and a half hours already,
you know.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
Yeah, but I will say this was probably the last
good WrestleMania until thirty seven. There was like a six
year period where the Wrestlemanians were kind of underwhelming, too
long yet disappointing. But yeah, this one was a very
good one, despite the fact that it had a horrible,
horrible build going into it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
It did, it did. And also, speaking of last you
know things, Kurt, this is a bit weird and shocking
at the same time. This will be the last wrestle
Mania in the month of March.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
Yeah, that's right. We haven't had a WrestleMania in March since.
And you know what's also funny, which is also maybe
a little sad. When I watched the show yesterday, this
was the last time I ever saw Roddy Piper alive.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
Oh yeah, I forgot he was in that backstage segment
with Daniel Bryan because Pat Patterson congratulated him. Then Roddy Piper,
then Ricky Steamboat, then Rick Flair, then Brett Hart, and
then I was like, oh my god, Piper, Yeah, that's
that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
That was the last time he appeared on WWETV because
he died four months later.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
Oh man, yeah, it doesn't make me. He made me
look good when you last saw him, though, like you know, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
He didn't look like he was unhealthy, that he was
like going through any health problems. But I just remember
that speech he gave on that Real Sports interview because
you remember that interview, right, that interview he got fired
from WW from in two thousand and three because of
like the things he said about the promoters like taking
advantage of the wrestlers.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
Oh no, I don't remember that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
This is like when he was in WW in that
O three run when he was like managing Sean O'Hare.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
He was talking about like how the promoters like you know,
use you and like you know, just take everything they
can from you until there's nothing left. And then like
after WW he heard the interview, he got fired. But
one of the things that he said in that interview
that did stick out to me was that I can't
take out my pension until I'm sixty five and let's
be honest, I'm not gonna make it to sixty five.
And he turned out to be right, because he died

(01:01:57):
when he was sixty one.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
Oh no, yeah man, yeah man.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
Dusty Rhades died like pretty much within a month and
a half of each other.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
Well, so here's another interesting fact. So The Rock talked
to Dana White into letting Ronda Rowsey appear at wrestle Mania.
That that's pretty crazy. So Dana White, who's the you know,
the owner of UFC, he pretty much wasn't really too
big on letting you know, UFC stars, you know, want

(01:02:28):
to do stuff and other, you know, other stuff like
ww wrestling mainly though, but The Rock pretty much had
kind of like says something Dana White to like kind
of convinced him that, hey, look, let's I want to
get Na Rowsey involved in a segment of wressell Mania,
which turned out great, by the way.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
Yeah, and The Rock literally did sn other New York
the night before.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
Yeah, I kind of forgot about that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
Yeah, it was crazy. And also one thing that was
really bad about this build up to WrestleMania was the
feud between brock Lesnar and Roman Reigns, which all started
to Royal Rumble when Roman Rings won the Rumble and
Daniel Brant got eliminated so early, and the fans just
shited all over it, even though I couldn't get the
dance to cheer him.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
Yeah, and that's we'll get into that later, which we
will talk about the matches going forward.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
Yeah, but one thing I was hoping, like going into
this WrestleMania, that they would somehow add Daniel Brian to
this match, which ended up not happening. And yeah, just
that whole build for this match. Like, up until the
week of WrestleMania, this match did not really interest me
that much at all. But then that week when Bracklesner
officially re signed with the company because he was contract

(01:03:43):
was supposed to expire with this WrestleMania. Like that week
when he resigned, that started to make it interesting again.
That's what we started to think. I wonder if he'll
end up pertaining. I wonder if Roman will end up winning.
Up until the week of this WrestleMania, I wasn't even
that excited for it, even though I was going. But
then the week of the show, that's when started to
kind of start to feel like wrestleminga.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
I was interested in it. You gotta remember at this time,
after Lesler won to Todd last summer sign, right, he
pretty much was like okay, John Zena, then he was gone.
Then he goes back into John Zena. But then you
added Seth Robinson to the mix, and then Roman Rains
was like a fresh new guy. So I was okay

(01:04:25):
with it, especially the night after Roy Rumble, because you
remember Kurt, I remember they had a storm, so they
didn't do anything, and they had that sit down interview
between Lesner and Roman, which I thought was pretty interesting.
So I was like, okay, I thought how they handled

(01:04:51):
certain things that they were doing was a bit weird,
because like, I didn't like to finish with Roy Rumble
till this day. It should have been Roman Ragings and
Daniel Bryant the last two in that match, and then
they go on having a They go on having a
Number one Contenders match at fast Lane the month before,
which I was like, okay, this should have been these
two and Royal Rumble though. But but yeah, they had

(01:05:14):
a great match with each other at Fastling though, but
you know, Roman Reigns wins. But still though not only
that you had that feud going on, but you also
had I think one match I was really into, very
interesting into going into that mania was Randy Orton versus
seth Rawlins. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
Out of all the storylines going into that wrestle Mania,
I think that one.

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
Was the most consistent. Yeah, that was very consistent. That
was the one that was going on for months. I like,
you had somebody who was already like kind of like
the face of the company, Rand new Orton, who was
you know, who was just recently champion not too long ago,
and you have a new upcoming guy who is the future,

(01:05:56):
seth Rawlins, and I just forget how it's crazy how
so much has changed. It's like mass seth Rons was
so much younger by that time, and it's like, man,
it's crazy how that was ten years ago. At that
time he was talking about how you know he's going
to be the future and he is. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
And they had that great feud for months where like
Rolin to put him out where he kurb stomped him
on the steps, and then Randy Worden was gone for
four months and then Randy Orden comes back and pretends
to be his friend, and then he turns on him
in a tag match and then Arcade was him through
the announced table. That shit was nuts. Yeah, yeah, but
I remember around this time, one thing I was not
happy with was the fact that they brought back the
Authority after they did that great angle.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
A oh yeah, that was just it was weird.

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
Yeah, after they did that great angle its of Avus
series where they got put out of power and that
Sava series match just to bring them back a month later.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
Yeah it was. Yeah, it was weird.

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
A lot of ww's creative flaws were very visible. And
I go back and watch this show.

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
Mm, very So let's just go ahead and start off
with the event.

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
So well, before we start off, it was another major
match that was going on in the show that did
have an interesting build, a Sting in Triple H match.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
Yeah, we'll get into that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
Even though it should have been Stinging the Undertaker in
many ways, it did have some interest because it was
things like first time at WrestleMania, held his first match
in WWE period, and that match ended up being funner
than I thought it would be. What you'll get into
in a few minutes, but yeah, this was maybe the
time they should have done Undertaker in Sting because they
had it litterally right in front of them, but like

(01:07:27):
many things in this period, they blew it true.

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
So we'll start. Let's go ahead and start with the
event is a sunny day, bright day, completely different vibe
of russell Mania though, but I was digging it. But yeah,
we start off with a ladder match for the Intercontinental Championship.
This is the first time we had a ladder match
for Internconnental Championship since russell Mania ten.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
That's very true. Yeah, and I believe the first ladder
match in wressell Mania in five years since the Money
in the bank at twenty six.

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. So yeah, you had Daniel
Bryan Wade Barrett, who's an Interconnental champion going into that match.
Our truth starred us Kurt.

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
Oh God, that's wow.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
Come out.

Speaker 1 (01:08:12):
I'm like, yo, who would have ever thought that ten
years later this would be the WW champion.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
I'm saying, dude, it's so crazy. I was watching that match.
I was like, oh my God, like I can't I
still can't believe that was Cody Rhodes. Dude, I just
can't believe he still did that. And I felt bad
for him for that game.

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
Yeah, I thought they were gonna do Cody and gold
Dusted at WrestleMania because the month before, like going in
the fash lane like in February, they were kind of
like teasing it a little bit like Dusty Roads also
being involved in it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
But then they ended up not doing it. So then yeah,
he was a.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
Ladder match, and yeah, Brandy Rose was the ring announcer
for this match. Is funny enough?

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
Oh yeah, so yeah you had starred us Diana Ambrose.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
Oh shit, John Moxley in the flesh, Yo, what do
you think of that match last week with Cope? He
calls himself now where he had like.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
The spikes in his back too much? Kurt, Yeah, it
is over. It's too much. You gotta it's it's too much, man.
You don't have to go that far to prove your
point to try to get to me. It's not wrestling.
It was it was too it was too violent, it
was too graphic just to see that just to get attention.

(01:09:25):
It's not worth it, man.

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
Honestly, when I look at a lot of John Moxley's matches,
I think back at it now that maybe brock Lesner
had a point to maybe not do some of the
spots that John Moxy wanted to do with their match
at thirty two.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
Oh yeah, like.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
Looking at John Moxy's matches now, like maybe Brock had
a point. Yeah, I will say Dean Ambrose took the
nastiest bumping this whole match when Luke Harper power boudhim
when he powered bomb them through the damn ladders and
then he had like a cut in the back of
his head.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
Oh yeah, I didn't even notice that. Oh, let's not
forget was in his match as well. Yes, Dovsiglu was
in this match.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
Who had a hot in to twenty fourteen when he
was a sole survivor of that Survivor Series match and
had that great ladder bache Luck Harper. But then when
they brought the authority back and did all that bullshit, Yeah,
kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
Cooled him off. And yeah, speaking of Luke Harper, Luke
Harper was in his match too.

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
Man, It's like, wow, yeah, sad that he's not around anymore. Yeah,
it kind of really bummed me out when I saw
him come out that Yeah you really Yeah, look back
at it and you're like, damn you wish he was
still here and pray White too.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
Yeah, I just still can't get over the startus thing.
I'm just like Cody Rhoads. Cody Rhoads. Wow. And ten
years later he's the w W champion.

Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
It's so funned.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
The man event wrestle Manni, Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
It's so funny what he said about that startups period.
He kind of like felt more bad for his wife
for the fact that she had to deal with him
while he was like in that kind of mindset.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
Yeah, man's life. I just did that gimmick. Man. I
felt like, there's no way he's going to recover from this,
and long and behold, he's recovered greatly.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
So yes, and yeah, this match was fun. It was
a good opener. They had a lot of spots in it.
But ultimately Daniel Bryan had budded Dolv Zigler off the
ladder and then grabbed the Inner Continental title and held
the title, unfortunately for only a month or so because
he would have to forfeit it due to his concussion
and next issues acting up again and this would beat

(01:11:27):
into his retirement that would last for the next three years.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
Ah man, But it was his first time winning that
that championship and yeah, and I really get to have
a run with it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
Yeah, he literally had a year and then he forfeited
it after he wanted.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
Yeah, but I really liked the whole idea of him, Like, Okay,
he ends last year when in the world title and
then you start off the show the following year winning
another championship. Yeah, that was dope. Yeah, I did like that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
I would have liked to have seen him in the
main event of this show, but it didn't work out
that way. But I'm happy he's got to have this.

Speaker 2 (01:11:59):
Yeah. So onto the next match, we had Randy Orton
versus Seth Rollins, and this was a very underrated match.

Speaker 1 (01:12:05):
Oh yeah, as far as underrated matches at WrestleMania, I
put this in my top ten that people don't talk
about enough.

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
M very true, just the you know, just the chemistry
between Orton and Rowlins in this match, and we cannot
get over that ending of that match, one of the
best rkos ever.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
Yeah, when Rollins tries to like step on top of
Randy's back and then while he's in mid air, Randy
Orton drops.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
Him with an RKO try to do a curse.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
Yeah yeah, yeah, I remember, like right after this WrestleMania
they banned Rollins from using the.

Speaker 2 (01:12:42):
Curb stim for like three Yeah, man, I hated that.
I was like, what the hell is not that back?

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
Come on, they work for the people have problems because
of it, concussion problems.

Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
Oh yeah, but that's another story.

Speaker 1 (01:12:55):
But he got to use it on this night. But
trying to do it in this scenario backfired on him,
as Andy Orton gave us one of the best rkos
we've probably ever seen. Best out of nowhere.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
One take me back seeing that in person.

Speaker 1 (01:13:07):
That was nuts on, that was nuts.

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
It was great.

Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
Yeah, this is a good match, man, This is a
very underrated WrestleMania match. Like I said that, people don't
talk about enough, and I kind of missed the J
and J security dudes.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
I remember they I do. I actually, I'm telling you
right now, man, it's funny. I was on Twitter and
I was looking at at a post saying like which
version of seth Rawlins is the best? And that architect
seth Rawlins is one of my favorite Kurt, I have
to give a little bit of respect to the Monday

(01:13:46):
Messiah seth Rowlins if you remember that one from five
years ago. Very underrated, a very underrated gimmick that he
did that didn't last that long. I wish he would
would have did a little bit longer though. But that authority,
that uh, that architect Seth Rowans when he had his
first world title run man, that was that was my

(01:14:08):
favorite subject. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
I love those guys. It was a part of his act.
They were kind of like the modern version of Patterson
and Bristol.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
That's fun. Joey Mercury and Jamie normal. Yeah, Jane j
Security I missed. Yeah, that brings me back, man, that's crazy.
They should have probably like maybe media back for one
night only.

Speaker 3 (01:14:27):
And maybe oh gosh, Idia, Hey, I think Jamie was
trying to get it back, get away from his southern
roots and.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
Try to be all formal and that look. Put that
beside me. I'm not with media no more. Okay, just
a damn Ever, since she tried to take the Cruise
Away title away from me, I was like, No, I.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
Saw a recent picture of her. Yo, she still looks good.
Oh yeah, yeah, she still does interesting. But that's another story.
But onto our next match. For the very first time
in w W history, Sting performing at WrestleMania and he
had a very odd entrance, to say the least.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
I was getting ready to ask you about that because
at first, okay, so I'm gonna take myself back to
ten years ago, right, I didn't think much of it.
I was like, oh, okay, this is an interesting entrance.
But when I look back at it now, it was
kind of odd. I was kind of like, how does
this translates the sting as a as A as the character?

(01:15:28):
You know what I mean? Because don't get me wrong,
I like the whole idea of it. You have the
Japanese drummers and you know, the gong and all that.
But I was kind of like, hmmm, it's a bit
of an odd entrance when I look back at it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
Yeah, it wasn't a It wasn't bad that they weren't
bad at what they were doing.

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
It just that it didn't really fix it was character. Yeah,
like what was the whole point? And then he comes
out to a red robe? You know, you expect him
to wear black.

Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
Maybe maybe he grew up a fan of Hugh Hefner
or something.

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
I don't know, but it was a it was a
It was a a little bit of an odd entrance though,
but Kurt, but Triple H had the best entrance. Triple
H yes, oh ye had a Terminator the promote the
Terminator movie that came out later that year. That was

(01:16:22):
a whole point which I heard suck.

Speaker 1 (01:16:24):
By the way, I quit after the third one. That
the third one, I was done with it after that,
Well you didn't like the fourth one? I saw it
was PG thirteen and Army wasn't even in it, and
I said, yeah, I don't need to watch this.

Speaker 2 (01:16:37):
I mean, Christian Bell was in it. And they finally
did a Terminator movie where actually, okay, they're doing a war.
You're actually doing a Terminator film where okay, you're in
a war. It's PG thirteen. After the other one didn't, Matt,
I didn't. I'm not talking about the rating. I'm talking
about the whole storyline of the of the film. Because
you look at you look at the past Terminator movies,

(01:16:58):
the only time you heard about talking about the war
were just flashback some clips of it. That was it.
We actually got a full scale movie where I was like, oh,
you're actually anw We're in a war full movie. So
that's what interests me though, But that's another story.

Speaker 1 (01:17:14):
My conscience trying to force myself to watch that damn movie.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
It was Christian Bell was in it. Damn it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:18):
Come on, it's great. But sometimes even a great actor
can't save a movie that's not great. Look at George
Clooney and Batman and Robin Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
Anyway, interesting match. It was one of those matches where like, hey,
you got two guys facing each other for the first
time that you know, you got to fill each other out.

Speaker 1 (01:17:42):
But one thing that annoyed me about this build for
this match, and also like throughout the match they were
milking that Monday Night warship to death.

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
Oh they were even the announcers when you watched them
when you actually watched the match, because I know you
were there live though, but when you actually watch the match,
when you hear the commentary, yeah, they're going on and
on and on about that Monday Night War stuff. Sting
tried to put us out of jobs. Sting try to
put us out of business. I'm like, shut the fuck
of thing.

Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
Wanted to go down with the ship. You couldn't make
it in the big leagues. You guys won this war
like what fifteen sixteen years ago, and you still can't
get over it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:24):
I don't think they did when you look when you
look back at it, especially the of the decision that
they made. So the magic it's more. The magic get's
more interesting. When d X shows up, ro Dog, Billy
gunn Xbox show up to interfere.

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
Yes, but then followed by them was the nWo and Yoh,
they got a crazy reaction when they came.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
Oh yeah, they got a loud pop.

Speaker 1 (01:18:49):
It was Hogan, Haul and Nash and ironically enough, this
was the only time I ever saw Huole Cogan live.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
Out of every wrestling show I've ever been to in
my life, this is the only time I ever saw
Whole Coogan.

Speaker 3 (01:19:02):
It won.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
Wow, yeah, nuts, but it was fun though. The nWo
and the DX brow they had outside of the ring
that was dope. And then Hogan I took the sledgehammer
away from Triple H when he tried to use it,
a Sting had him in a scorpion Death black. And
then as Sting has Triple H in a Scorpion Death Black,
Sean Michael's out of Nowhere shows up and hits him

(01:19:24):
with a super kick.

Speaker 2 (01:19:26):
Yep, everybody was a bit of shock. That w can't
be shocked. I mean, come on, DX, me and Sean
Michaels is with DX, so I mean, what do you expect?

Speaker 1 (01:19:34):
But Sting and Shawn Michaels were like born again Christian buddies.

Speaker 2 (01:19:38):
Oh still, though, the whole point of this match was
pretty much like the Monday Night Wars. So yeah, I remember.

Speaker 1 (01:19:46):
I think Sean Michaels is like on one of Sting's,
like you know, Churt shows that he had online once a. Yeah,
the one comment I saw underneath I was very interesting
and said the guy who never worked for WW and
the guy who never worked for WCW.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
Oh wow, that is true. That's a good point.

Speaker 1 (01:20:05):
Yes, But the weirdest thing about this match was the ending.
As Sting was about to hit Triple H with a
Stinger splash, but then Triple H took a sledgeham and
I was broken in half by Sting's baseball bat and
nailed Sting in the face with it and shockingly got
the win off of that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:23):
Yeah, I want you to take me back. I know
you were really like shocked by the decision. I know
everybody else was. Yeah, it was weird.

Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
It was like, Yo, this is Sting's very first WW matches,
first WrestleMania, You're gonna have him lose, and especially like that,
even Scott Hall talked about this where like they were
doing the rehearsals for this match, like, you know, a
couple of days or a couple of hours before, and
when he found out about the finish to the match,
him and Hogan's like looked at each other and shot like,

(01:20:56):
are they serious?

Speaker 2 (01:20:57):
This is the way they're going to finish the match. Yeah,
that was one of the facts that I found out
that you know, some of them were shocked by the finish.
I shocked as well, not just the fact that triple
h one though, but also how he won. I I
wasn't expecting that, and like you said, it's one of
those decisions where I was like going into that match

(01:21:20):
at that time, I deep in my heart, I was like,
I knew Stein was gonna win, but he didn't. I
was really surprised about that. I was also surprised to
the fact that they shook hands after the match. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:21:32):
I mean, look, it was a cool personal moment for them,
I'm sure. Yeah, but look, this match was fun, but
d X and NW Oceananigan's really helped it out. But yeah,
that ending, like really was a sour way to end it.
And that mentioned overall more than anything, it should have
been Stinging Undertaker.

Speaker 2 (01:21:51):
Yeah, but I mean just again, the ending was just
it was it was weird. It was just like, of all,
like Triple H goes over, but how he how the
way he won. It was just like that's so weird.
I was like, and again it's Sting's first wrestle Mania, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:22:08):
Yeah, there's a big difference between how Sting was treated
in w W E and the way he was treated
in a w huge diffen.

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
Yeah, big difference. And you know it was funny, you know,
later down you know, later down the road. I mean
Stein will have a couple more matches later, you know,
this year though, but Sting never had a win in
w W.

Speaker 1 (01:22:28):
He had one win in a tag team match on raw.

Speaker 2 (01:22:31):
Okay, but as far as like one on one.

Speaker 1 (01:22:34):
Yeah, he only had two singles matches. He had that
one with h year and he had the rollins where
he got hurt.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
Yeah. Not a champions Yeah, but at.

Speaker 1 (01:22:44):
Least thing got to say he wrestled at a WrestleMania.
At least he got that. I'm sure true for him
in that regard, And that's true regardless of what the
outcome was. Like I said, at least he got.

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
To have that. You know, I know for a fact
that Tripleation Steam were relieved while they're were doing their
match though, because I know it wasn't that sunny as
much because the shade was over. They had shade over
the ring. Now.

Speaker 1 (01:23:08):
Yeah, but for the pre show matches and the first matches.

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
Oh god man, wow.

Speaker 1 (01:23:17):
We move on to our next match, the only women's
match in the show. We have the Bella Twins, Nikki
and Breed taking on aj Lee and Page.

Speaker 2 (01:23:25):
Yeah, it was an okay match, but it was a
fine match, but honestly it was more or less like
a match you would see on RA Yeah and yeah,
for like the stuff they were.

Speaker 1 (01:23:40):
Doing on TV and the week's leading up to this.
I remember this is actually around the time where the
whole Give Divas a Chance campaign started because they had
like a tag match on ROB with the women that
went only thirty seconds and everybody was pissed off about it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:52):
So this was.

Speaker 1 (01:23:53):
Kind of like around that period. And also around the
time women in NXT were starting to make noise, so
I figured, like, yo, it's cool that they have them
on the show and whatnot, but it's kind of like
weird that of all the matches they gave them a WrestleMania,
they just gave him.

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
A random tag team match.

Speaker 1 (01:24:08):
I thought that we're gonna do look, maybe a four
way or something, but yeah, just a random tag team
match like this.

Speaker 2 (01:24:13):
Yeah, but it was.

Speaker 1 (01:24:14):
Fine, Like the match was cool for what it was, like,
there was nothing wrong with it. But I did watch
this list like ranking the worst match from every WrestleMania,
and for this WrestleMania, although it wasn't bad, they ranked
this match.

Speaker 2 (01:24:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:24:27):
The person who was reviewing it said, like, yo, there
was just nothing wrong with this match, but like compared
to everything else on the show, it was just yeah,
kind of like nothing really that out of you. Yes,
and AJ, Lee and Page actually ended up winning the
match after AJ put Nikki and the Widow's peak. I
believe it was called yeah gotta to submit. And I

(01:24:50):
did notice that Paige was crying when her and AJ
hugged each other after the match, and then I would
kind of get an idea of why. A few days later,
as AJ announced her retirement.

Speaker 2 (01:24:59):
Yeah, I was just gonna react too, because I think
that AJ would leave eventually the company later on. So yeah, yeah,
this was whatever her last matches.

Speaker 1 (01:25:06):
He wrestled on Rod the next night, and then the
Friday after this WrestleMania, it came out that she was done.

Speaker 2 (01:25:12):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:25:14):
And actually that's one of the reasons why they turned
Naomi heel around this time, is because they initially wanted
AJ to turn heel, but since AJ left, Naomi did
it instead.

Speaker 2 (01:25:23):
Wow. Yeah, cool little showcase for the four women here.

Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
They were the top four women in the company here
at the time, so the matress fine for what it was.
And in the Rocky four match, we had Hussef defending
the United States Championship against John Cenah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
So yeah, like I said alluded to earlier, I loved
Russ's entrance, the hale, the playing the Russian national anthem,
and then the tanks coming out. Oh. I was like, Oh,
that's so badass sad though he's going to lose, I
just knew that Zena was gonna win this match. And
funny how the last time John Zena was in a

(01:26:07):
US Championship match at Russe Solmania was his very first
Wreusse Solmania back in two thousand and four russell Mania
twenty Madison Square Garden, when he defeated the Big show.

Speaker 1 (01:26:17):
Yep, and just from the way this feud was going,
and especially considering that Rusceffic beating Sena.

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
At Fast the month before, Yeah, you're.

Speaker 1 (01:26:24):
Like, yeah, John Cena's winning this match. There's no way
he's losing. And lo and behold John Cena. After a
miscommunication between rucef and Lana, russephf ran into not Lana
and not Througholphie Apron, So Johnson fits Russef with the
fu and wins the United States Championship for I believe
the fourth time.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
Poor Lana. And also, let's not forget in this match,
John Zena performed a new repertoire on his move set.

Speaker 1 (01:26:52):
Yeah, the stunner from the flinging stunner or whatever it
was called.

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
Yeah, I was like, what in the world you just do?

Speaker 1 (01:27:00):
That was weird?

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
Yeah, weird. But yeah, even though.

Speaker 1 (01:27:02):
This match was predictable and like really nothing with me
that stood out that much, the run that John Cena
went on after.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
This with the US pre Title Oh yes.

Speaker 1 (01:27:12):
The US Title Open challenges he was having throughout twenty
fifteen was the best stuff on the product at the.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
Time, which brought Kevin Owens in.

Speaker 1 (01:27:20):
Yes, and that was a way better few that Seena
had this year than this one was, And funny enough,
he would get this match on two more pay per
views after this.

Speaker 2 (01:27:32):
Yeah, they had an interesting They had a chain match
with each other extreme rules a month later, and then.

Speaker 1 (01:27:38):
I feel like an e quick match at Payback.

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
Something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:27:42):
Yeah, yeah, this you definitely dragged down a lot longer
than it should have. But yes, and honestly, russep for
the role he was on going into this restaurant. Oh
my god, but this last year after he lost this match.

Speaker 2 (01:27:55):
Yeah, he wasn't the same. Sadly, he wasn't the same.

Speaker 1 (01:27:58):
And also Lana wasn't the same either, No, they weren't.

Speaker 2 (01:28:01):
I felt bad for him, man, because he had a
dominant twenty fourteen year dominant. I love the character, I
you know, I love how you know, he he had
a piece of America of winning the US title and
using that to rub and everybody everybody's faces. He was undefeated.
I love that. I love the character. I loved it.

(01:28:23):
But it's kind of sad though, Like you know, all
good things, you know, don't last forever. Yeah, he loses
the title wrestle Mania, but then after that he just
just wasn't the same. Anymore afterwards.

Speaker 1 (01:28:32):
Yeah, him and Lana. They ended up breaking them up
after this, and then with Dolf Ziggler and Summer Ray
was with like Rusef and she was dressed like a
lot of them. Yeah, I hopefully it was a mess.
Russep really didn't catch fire again into the whole Rusef
Day stuff that came a couple of years later. Yeah,
which they did not take advantage of the way they
should have, but should happen, all right, But moving on

(01:28:54):
to our next part of the show. We had a
segment involving Triple Ah and Stephanie McMahon where they had
now the attendance record for WrestleMania, and then they went
on to clote about the fact that it was all
because of them.

Speaker 2 (01:29:05):
Yeah. Yeah, and pretty much we own everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:29:09):
I gotta say, not only like that twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen,
Poroy was not only peak Triple H and Stephanie's heels
in a sense, it was peak Stephanie McMahon attractiveness too.

Speaker 2 (01:29:19):
Oh, she was very attracted.

Speaker 1 (01:29:21):
Yeah, she still looks good now. She still looks good now,
but damn it. During that period when they were doing
the authority stuff, Oh my God, yeah, another story.

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
So anyway, they're pretty much talking about how they own
everybody and then out comes the Rock, and.

Speaker 1 (01:29:42):
This segment would explain why Triple H beats Sting earlier
in the show. They had him beat Sting earlier in
the show because they knew he was doing this segment
with The Rock and Round the Lads, so they had
to have him win so they could do that. But
I still don't know the decision regardless.

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
Yeah, so then.

Speaker 1 (01:30:01):
The Rock, you know, talks trash to Triple Ah Stephanie,
and then the Rock makes a comment that Stephanie wouldn't
be in power if it wasn't for Vince McMahon's Johnson.

Speaker 2 (01:30:11):
Yeah, I did like.

Speaker 1 (01:30:13):
That other line where like he said that while the
Rock left his hard in San Francisco, Triple Ah, you
left your balls in Stanford, Connecticut.

Speaker 2 (01:30:21):
I for one before before he even said all that.
I loved how because the Rock was like challenging him
to go at it one more time, just like they
did back in the day. But funny when Triple Ah
talks about how like, yeah, we had one hell of
a run though, but yeah, I remember when he most
beating him through most of it and I laughed, so,
I mean, he just had a point, but I did

(01:30:43):
laugh though, and he's like, I got nothing to prove
to you, and he like he walked off. I thought
it was just this funny stuff what he was saying,
but it was true.

Speaker 1 (01:30:50):
Including Wresselmania two thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:30:52):
Yeah, it was funny. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:30:57):
But then Stephanie ends up slapping the Rock and then
she like starts talking to the Rock saying, what you're
gonna do about it?

Speaker 2 (01:31:02):
You're not gonna get out of my ring.

Speaker 1 (01:31:05):
She's like, yeah, I get out of my ring. See
East Babe boy, Bye bye bye bye, and the Rock
instead of leaving, he walks to the side of the
ring of the front row where Ronda Rousey happens to
be sitting m hm. Then Ronda Rowsey jumps the barricade
and her and the Rock get back into the ring,
and the Rock says, the rock wouldn't hit a woman,

(01:31:25):
but I do know somebody else who would be.

Speaker 2 (01:31:27):
Happy to pretty much Triple h you know, talks about
how like, hey, you know to be talking about my wife.
Last time you be talking about my wife, and the
rocks like, oh I hear you. The last thing else said,
and he goes on beating up Triple H just like
he did back in the old days, and then Ronda
Rousey does a arm takedown to Triple H.

Speaker 1 (01:31:49):
And then Stephanie tries to slap Ronda Rousey, but then
Rona catches her arm and like puts her kind of
like and somewhat of an armlocks. She like you know,
has her by the arm and you know has her
like in her control. But then she just like aps
and throws and then Stephanie leaves the ring. Wow, that
was a bit of a letdown though. I thought she
was gonna do more to Stephanie, like maybe a line,
but then yeah, just doing that that was kind of

(01:32:10):
a not what I was.

Speaker 2 (01:32:11):
Hoping for, true though, but regardless, so you have to
say that's that was a very interesting and memorable celebrity
moment in the history of Russell Nania. Oh definitely.

Speaker 1 (01:32:21):
And it's so weird, like you look back at ten
years ago with that wrestle media, with like all the
aura and how popular round of rousing was back then,
and you kind of see what she became like in
that last ww run.

Speaker 2 (01:32:33):
Yeah, and it's funny how like that takes place and
then three years later she'll make her debut in the WWE,
and then she'll being involved in that mixed tag match
with kurd Angle against the same two people who she
confronted Tripleation.

Speaker 1 (01:32:49):
Stephanie McMahon, I love kurd Angle, He's great, but honestly,
I wish it had been the Rock in that spot,
and I wish they had done that match a lot
sooner than they did. I think they were supposed to
do something with Rock and Triple H the following year
at WrestleMania, but it didn't work out. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:33:04):
So yeah, like.

Speaker 1 (01:33:06):
From this segment, you thought you were gonna get like
a mixed tag at some point, but then they never
really got to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:10):
Took three years to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:33:11):
Yeah, they got to it, though it was with Angle
instead of Rock. I mean, it was still a great match,
don't get me wrong, but yeah, you really got the
vibe you were going to get that mixed tag. But regardless,
still the fun segment definitely one of the highlights of
the show. Definitely went on long as fuck.

Speaker 2 (01:33:25):
Though, No, I mean I don't blame him because, like
I kind of wanted them at this point, I was
kind of waited for him. The sun needs to go
down at this point, like, could it get dark a
little bit? Because I'm it was sunny throughout the whole
of Van Kirk. I know I was there. And then

(01:33:48):
do you had a hat on that day or I
didn't have a hat on that day or anything to
keep you cool.

Speaker 1 (01:33:54):
By this point of the show, I was fine, wasn't
a big deal, Okay, But then we had the return
of the Undertaker for the first time since the streak
ended at WrestleMania the year before, against yes, and many
people's opinions his successor bray White.

Speaker 2 (01:34:12):
And look, I know we didn't get Undertaker versus Sting
as we all hoped though, But I was still intrigued
by this match though, because of them, like the styles
between these two. You have a character like the Undertaker
and a very unique character of bray White, And I
thought it was very unique that these two were coming
together and I liked it.

Speaker 1 (01:34:31):
Yeah, I like their entrances. And you know what's funny
about this. You know what's funny about this? You bray
White had to carry this whole feud pretty much and
the week leading up to it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:40):
Oh, of course he did, because he's the one who
called out the Undertaker, right, And the only thing the
Undertaker did was pretty much that had a voiceover, and
it has him, you know, the thunder hitting the rocking chair.
That was pretty much it. But yeah, it was you
are right about that. It was Bray White who was

(01:35:01):
carrying the whole storyline going into this match. And an
interesting fact about this match, bray whittt was hurt throughout
this whole match. So his ankle, like the day of
the show, Yeah, during rehearsals and he had he had
his bracestoft and he was in a lot of pain.

(01:35:22):
And I didn't know this. I just found this out
yesterday when I was I knew that.

Speaker 1 (01:35:27):
I knew that the day of the show that that happened.

Speaker 2 (01:35:28):
Really about you.

Speaker 1 (01:35:31):
Know why, you know, I keep up with this ship.
I should probably not keep up with it as much,
but hey, I had my sources.

Speaker 2 (01:35:37):
But yeah, I applaud bray White for just you know,
willing to.

Speaker 1 (01:35:45):
You know, got it out. Yeah, definitely got it out.
And he was still he was still great as a
character at this point. But the one thing that was
missing from him that I wish they hadn't done was
break up him from the White family.

Speaker 2 (01:35:58):
Also that and I also that, and I just wish
that they could have pushed him a little bit more
harder into like a championship run during that time.

Speaker 1 (01:36:09):
Yes, and maybe had brack Lesner not broken the streak
the year before, maybe he could have been the one
to break the streak this year. M m yeah, because
the Undertaker always says that he would have preferred to
have the streak and at the hands of somebody else
who could have benefited more from it. And for the
comparisons they make between the Undertaker and bray Wyatt, who

(01:36:29):
would have been better to benefit from it. True, but
they still had a good match year. Undertaker looked a
lot better here than he did it WrestleMania the year before.

Speaker 2 (01:36:37):
Oh yeah, yeah, And that's the one thing I want
to get into because I was very concerned. As much
as I was excited for this match, I was very
concerned because we saw what happened last year and Undertaker
has some health issues though, But when when you saw
Undertaker now, he looked completely different. He just he looked
more in shape, He just looked more himself. And also,

(01:37:00):
how was he going to be able to perform in
his match? Was he gonna be off his game, and
it really wasn't didn't really miss a beat in this match, and.

Speaker 1 (01:37:09):
This match was good, and the highlight of this match,
honestly was when ray White was doing like that spider
waltch that he always does and then the Undertaker sit up.

Speaker 2 (01:37:17):
Yeah, love that, love the whole sequence. Loved it, loved it.

Speaker 1 (01:37:21):
And ultimately the Undertaker won after hitting two tombstones under
bray Wyatt. Bray White kicked out of the first one,
but the second one was enough to get the job done,
and the Undertaker.

Speaker 2 (01:37:31):
Was back back redeem himself from last year's loss.

Speaker 1 (01:37:37):
And look, it was great to see him back and
all that, but I'll be honest, from this point on,
like after the streak ended, his matches at WrestleMania just
didn't have that same feeling.

Speaker 2 (01:37:47):
It didn't because you go to the following year they
had that just the weirdest of all the Undertaker matches,
including his one with Gihant Gonzalez, his match against Shane
McMahon and Hell in the Cell was by far was
just like the most odd thing that they ever did,
booking that they ever did. It made sense.

Speaker 1 (01:38:09):
It was great to see Shane back, but yeah, this
is a very odd match and the only highlight of
it was Shane jumping off of the cell.

Speaker 2 (01:38:16):
I didn't just see what's the whole point of the match. Also,
at hell in a cell match, I thought I was
just like, what are they doing?

Speaker 1 (01:38:23):
But this way, when I go back and watch parts
of that WrestleMania, I do not go back to watch
that match.

Speaker 2 (01:38:27):
I do watch Shane McMahon's entrance though, Oh yeah with
his kids. Yeah it was great.

Speaker 1 (01:38:32):
But yeah, it was, you know, great to see the
Undertaker back. But like I said, like, yeah, I just
didn't feel the same with his WrestleMania matches.

Speaker 2 (01:38:38):
From this point on. Yeah, that is true.

Speaker 1 (01:38:41):
Great why I got to work with the Undertaker in WrestleMania.
That's one of the things he could say he got
to do in his career. Well obviously he can't say
it anymore because he's passed away, but yeah, that's definitely
a career highlight from.

Speaker 2 (01:38:52):
Yeah, and when I want to look back at that
break White character, dude, I miss that's my favorite version
of Bray White, that mysterious character. And also the theme song.

Speaker 1 (01:39:03):
Yeah, that's the song Slap And that's why I like
the why it so much? Like when they first debuted
them was that they kind of felt like characters in
the way that other people on the show didn't feel
like characters at the time. Yeah, because like when you
watch wrestling, when you watch ww you want to see
people on the show where if you saw them in
the street, you like, you know, look twice at them
and say, Yo, who the fuck are those people? And
that's exactly the vibe you got from Bray White and

(01:39:25):
the rest.

Speaker 2 (01:39:25):
Of the crew, exactly like like the Undertaker, You're just
you're looking at characters. You're kind of like whoa you know.

Speaker 1 (01:39:32):
Yeah, but gone too soon. But at least he got
to do a match of WrestleMania with Undertaker, and hell
he got to do a segment with the Rock and
John Sena.

Speaker 2 (01:39:39):
The next year. Yeah, that is true, and then we
had our main events. Yes, ladies and gentlemen. And I'm
going to tell you something. The vibe as far as
the crowd that I was getting from this match, it
really reminded me of John Zena versus Triple h R.
Russell Many twenty two. The hype and just the crowd,

(01:40:03):
just like you have the crowd cheering for the heel
over the babyface.

Speaker 1 (01:40:08):
Yeah, it was definitely more pro brock lesnar in that crowd.
Definitely from being there. Yeah, the crowd, I can definitely
tell you from just hearing everyone and hearing everybody talk
throughout that night, they were not feeling Roman Reigns, and
it was it was to the point where I felt
bad for him because I'm like, Yo, he's great at

(01:40:29):
what he does, he's talented, but it's just the presentation.

Speaker 2 (01:40:32):
Of him and shit, he just pushed, pushed too fast. Yeah,
I just look.

Speaker 1 (01:40:37):
Yeah, I dreaded his entrance, like when he came out,
because I'm like, yo, they're gonna let him have it,
and I'm like, yo, it's not his fault, it's not
his fault. But yeah, I just felt really bad for
him at the time because I'm like, yo, it's not him,
it's the people who are making him do this bullshit.

Speaker 2 (01:40:52):
Yeah, It's it's crazy. I was watching a russellmana and
it's like I was a completely completely different Roman Reigns
we see now, Yeah, oh my god, it's so crazy
how it kind of makes me not just cringe just
a little bit because it's like, damn, that was Roman

(01:41:15):
Reigns back then, and you look at him now how
he carries himself now and you look back at Roman Reigns,
you know ten years ago, it was like, wow, oh.

Speaker 1 (01:41:27):
That was like when you do you know, suffering suck
attached promos. Wow, Yeah, it was awful. Yeah, that presentation
of Roman Reigns was awful. But it's actually marked the
last time he would come through the crowd of the WrestleMania.

Speaker 2 (01:41:40):
Yeah. I thought it was weird that he stuck with
that entrance.

Speaker 1 (01:41:43):
That was another thing that was wrong with Roman, Like
after they split up the Shield, is that like you know,
Rollins and Ambrose kind of like you know, adopted their
own style. They had like different music, different gear, all
that good stuff. But Roman just kept all the Shield stuff.
He's still dressed as if he was in the Shield,
came out through the crowd, had the same music like
he was in the Shield. So yeah, there was nothing
about him that made him different.

Speaker 2 (01:42:03):
Yeah, man, and he even he still kept the same
theme song when he did the Tribal Chief thing, just
for a year and then about a couple of months
later then they finally changed it to the you know,
to the theme song really has now that I truly
love them, but but yeah, rest is history, but yeah,
completely different Roman reigns.

Speaker 1 (01:42:26):
Yeah, and for his anti Roman range, as this crowd was,
this crowd was very pro brock Lessner. Oh yeah, yeah,
they they were hot for brock Lesner. They went make
ship when he came out.

Speaker 2 (01:42:37):
Regardless of that crowd. I mean I wasn't there though,
but you were there. That crowd was white hot for
that match.

Speaker 1 (01:42:44):
Yes, this was the most hot and the most intrigued
the audience was for the entire show, like the Stinging
Triple H match they were into, but this match specifically,
this is the match where they were the most apped
up because I told you like a little while ago
that they had brock Lesbers. We signed with the company
the week before because this contract was supposed to expire

(01:43:04):
like at this WrestleMania. So him we signed and kind
of created a different dynamic where like, who knows, maybe
he'll retain after all, anything's possible. And also the fact
that you know, woman was being so rejected by the
audience at the time. You're like, if Roman wins the
title here, it's not gonna get really a good reaction.

Speaker 2 (01:43:22):
Yeah. Interesting fact about this match. So this match was
supposed to go ten minutes longer.

Speaker 1 (01:43:28):
Oh shit, Yeah, but that rocking Ronda Rousey Triple H
segment brand so long they'd probably cut time from Yeah,
both the last few matches.

Speaker 2 (01:43:36):
That's true, That's very true. Yeah, man, this when this
match started, like like I said, it was giving me
vibes of John's universits Triple H as far as like
the crowd vibes of course, in any you know, typical
brock lessoner match that we see during that time during
his second run, you know, as always brock Lessners dominating

(01:43:57):
the match, always doing suit plex after suit plex. This
is where the sup plex City bitch term came from
from that match.

Speaker 1 (01:44:05):
Yeah, that's exactly the first time he used it. I
remember I saw a video online a few days later
where instead of doing that wax City Bitch song, they
did a remix with suplex City.

Speaker 2 (01:44:14):
Yeah, suplex City suplex City Bitch. Yeah. No matter how
many times Roman rings shoy to mount offense, Lester will
keep coming back, but the match, the turning point of
the match will happen outside the ring when Roman rings
put shoves brock Lesson onto the steel pole and brock
Lesner is busted open.

Speaker 1 (01:44:36):
Yep, Roman definitely took a beating like I had never
seen him take a beating.

Speaker 2 (01:44:41):
Thing. He was even laughing. He was laughing too. He
was smiling during the match because he's getting up.

Speaker 1 (01:44:47):
I cringed so hard at that one spot where like
Brock caught his leg on the apron and then just closed.

Speaker 2 (01:44:54):
Yeah, even the crowd felt.

Speaker 1 (01:44:57):
Yeah, he took a beating in this match. Like I said,
I really he felt for him, like throughout this whole scenario,
but he hung in there.

Speaker 2 (01:45:04):
He turned the.

Speaker 1 (01:45:06):
Tide and like back Rock into the post. Then he
hit Rock with like multiple Superman punches.

Speaker 2 (01:45:10):
And they're almost that counted out.

Speaker 1 (01:45:12):
They're not gonna do a count out of the main event.

Speaker 4 (01:45:14):
Of restaurant, I know, but I'm just saying no, Like
the ref was literally literally out of nine nine count
unless there's still days and confused and he gets into
the ring at the last second.

Speaker 2 (01:45:25):
So I'm just a funny point to point out though.

Speaker 1 (01:45:29):
When Roman rebounded. Though, when Roman started hitting those Superman punches,
the crowd was really amped up. I mean it was
kind of like if people were like really on the
edge of there's yeah, like yo, is he actually gonna win?

Speaker 2 (01:45:39):
Exactly Like I said, I was literally getting WrestleMania twenty
two vibes from this match, and that's one of the
things I loved about this match, and also another little
I thought I thought of like what I thought I liked,
So whenever I'm watching WrestleMania, I liked the what's the word,
the pageantry of it. I love the design, the whole lighting.

(01:46:01):
Once it finally got dark, you finally got to see
the lighting it's dark. I love the lighting where it's
all red, the red lighting across the stadium. I love that.
I was like, finally got dark. So it's just that's
an interesting thing. I wanted to point out that I like.

Speaker 1 (01:46:16):
Yeah, definitely, and yeah, you definitely like felt a different
vibe when it got darker towards the end of the
show in this match, and yeah, people were like really,
you know, on the edge of their seeing those last
few minutes, and that Rooman hits a spear, but then
Rock kicks out and then Brock ends up hitting another
F five, which which is actually the fourth F five
hitting this whole match, but he's too tired and too
beat up to cover room and as they're both down,

(01:46:39):
seth Rollins's music hits.

Speaker 2 (01:46:42):
Yes, and that camera angle. I'll never get that camera
angle of him running down the ramp and the camera's
behind him and shown him running down the ramp and
then the crowd goes crazy and he decides to cash
in his money into ban briefcase and the match is
now a triple threat triple a triple threat match for

(01:47:04):
the title.

Speaker 1 (01:47:05):
Yeah, and then Rollins kicks him Roman out of the ring.
He hits Rock with a curb stop, then he tries
to go for another curb stop and then Brock catches
him for an F five and then Roman spears Brock,
but then Rollins hits Roman with his own curb stop
and then gets the pin on Roman and seth. Rollins
becomes the first person to cash and the money in
the bank at WrestleMania and wins the WWE title and

(01:47:29):
he hauls ass right afterwards.

Speaker 2 (01:47:33):
Coin the hests of the century and it was the
heightst of the century because something like this has never
been done at wreussell Mania. We look at the pass
money in the bank winners, whether if you're a man
or woman. Usually they'll cash it in at a different event,
either like Raw or SmackDown or any other different pay
per view, but never has this been done out of

(01:47:55):
wrestle Mania. It's called the Heights of the Century, Kurt
because the magnitude of match, and you never expected this
to happen.

Speaker 1 (01:48:03):
Yeah, for not really expecting much of this match going
into WrestleMania that year. The match itself was great, and
then the cash and at the end, which is out
of nowhere in a huge surprise.

Speaker 2 (01:48:15):
And the fact that you look at who was involved
in the match. You gotta remember Brock Lesson is the
champion in this match, so you never would think that,
I mean, he's never going to drop the title. But
for and remember Lesson wasn't wasn't even pinned.

Speaker 1 (01:48:30):
That was and that's why they were so brilliant the
way they pulled this off. This established that instead of
giving Roman the title when the fans are rejecting him
and the fans aren't really feeling him, this allowed somebody
else to be the champion and rollins that being a
heel at the time, without pinning Brocks. So brockets protected
in that sense and where people kind of like feel
bad for Roman because somebody else interfeered in his match

(01:48:52):
and cross him the championship, which was definitely felt by
his family at ringside because I heard his dad's seeker
while out at the outcome with this match.

Speaker 2 (01:49:00):
He was, he was and no happen. This is a
last This was actually like a last minute decision when
they decided that ROMs was gonna win. And also this
was the first time to my knowledge, pretty much like
the first time and what almost what fifteen years that

(01:49:21):
we had a heal win at the end of the event.

Speaker 1 (01:49:26):
Yep, first times in triplation in two thousand, well technically
Austin at the end of WrestleMania seventeen. Oh yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah,
but yeah, this was very well done. This will definitely
go down as one of the best cash ins ever.
Also one of the best endings to WrestleMania ever, one
of the best main events to WrestleMania ever, could say.

Speaker 2 (01:49:48):
One of the most one of the most shocking endings
of WrestleMania.

Speaker 1 (01:49:50):
Oh, hands down. And yeah, just Rally's getting to have
that moment at the end of WrestleMania closing it as
the champion. Yeah, I I mean, he's had great moments
in his career since then, but I don't think anything
since then it's top.

Speaker 2 (01:50:04):
Died, No, without a doubt, and Karl want to just
want to take you back at that moment when Rollins,
when they hit the three count. I could see the
crowd going wild, though, but take me back with being
there after he won it.

Speaker 1 (01:50:22):
Yeah, it was bananas up in that stadium, man. I
remember it was hot and everybody lost their mind when
the Rock won at the end of WrestleMania twenty eight
when I was there for that, but this was every
bit is crazy if not crazy, wow, yeah everybody, Yeah,
just didn't see it coming. And after that match was like,
you know, so explosive and had you so amped up

(01:50:42):
for it to end that way with that kind of
a shocking ending. Yeah, you were like, holy shit, this
is one of the best wrestling shows I've ever seen
in my life.

Speaker 2 (01:50:50):
Yeah. Crazy, how that that whole event with not a
good build up but just completely just pulled away all
over our eyes and gave us one of the one
of the best WrestleManias ever. And I think this is
wressell MANA thirty one is pretty much like one of
my favorite modern day WrestleMania's.

Speaker 1 (01:51:13):
It's kind of top five, but if not top five,
definitely top ten all right, which is funny I'm doing
another episode of the show for Wade Keller for PW
Torch and tomorrow show we're going to be banking our
top five favorite WrestleMania Oh okay, yeah, and last week
we did our favorite WrestleMania endings and this is my.

Speaker 2 (01:51:32):
Number four pick, really my number four pick. Yeah, I
just can't believe it's been ten years. Well, in a
couple of couple of days will be the ten year
anniversary man and it's remembered whoever think seth Rawlins loses
you know early that that day and you wouldn't even
think about seeing him again, and we did.

Speaker 1 (01:51:54):
He kind of pulled like a Brett hard in ninety four,
only with Brett Harder was a scheduled match and in this.

Speaker 2 (01:51:58):
Scenario, I was out of the Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:52:01):
It were all worked out because of the sense that
you know, Rollins was now the champion and like, you know,
they could have kind of centered the show around him
for a while while Roman kind of still has some
time to kind of you know, win over the fans
and you know, build more momentum, which kind of worked
up but didn't work. And it's so crazy out of
all these years, and especially after going back to watch

(01:52:21):
that WrestleMania yesterday. It just boggles my mind that they're
not going to do like a Roman and Rolin singles
match at WrestleMania this year.

Speaker 2 (01:52:29):
That's honestly what I wanted for this year because when
I saw the interaction between those two at the Roar
Rumble a couple of months ago, I already is like,
you have to do a match. This is perfect.

Speaker 1 (01:52:42):
They have so much history yet just and it goes
back to like ten years ago and they still haven't
like done like a proper singles match, like really settled
their feud.

Speaker 2 (01:52:51):
And this is all about Roman never getting over the
betrayal from seth rawlins Man which.

Speaker 1 (01:52:55):
Crossed him the title at WrestleMania last year. Yes, yeah,
it's strange, but I mean the triple Thread I'm sure
will still be great, will still have its appeal.

Speaker 2 (01:53:04):
But yeah, not.

Speaker 1 (01:53:05):
Doing Roman and Set at WrestleMania yet, Yeah, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:53:08):
Kind of a it's a bummer. It's a bummer, and
I'm just some hoping what the you know what they're
going to bring out of this contract signing this upcoming Friday,
because you have to deal with stipulation, you have to.

Speaker 1 (01:53:22):
Maybe they'll get some eight goods for punk because he
likes those donuts and those muffins.

Speaker 2 (01:53:26):
Oh he does, he does, he does.

Speaker 1 (01:53:31):
Yeah, But yeah, this is an incredible WrestleMania, incredible ending
and it it kind of sucked that it took us
two hours to get out of that place afterwards, but
it was worth.

Speaker 2 (01:53:43):
I bet. Yeah. I mean I kind of had the
same feeling when when it was for wressele maina thirty
not a couple of years ago. We we just couldn't
find O.

Speaker 1 (01:53:50):
That was the biggest reason why.

Speaker 2 (01:53:51):
But still, oh, right out of ten, what would you
rank this WrestleMania nine up at nine? Nine?

Speaker 1 (01:54:02):
Yeah? And San Francisco is a great city, even though
it was technically in Santa Clara, which was an hour
outside of where I was staying in San Francisco. Yes,
San Francisco is a beautiful city, man, one of the
best cities.

Speaker 2 (01:54:13):
Which one is closer, which one is close to those
San Jose or San Francisco, because remember they had the
Hall of Fame ceremony in San Jose and San Jose. Yes,
San Jose is probably closer. And Raw and Raw was
in San Jose the next.

Speaker 1 (01:54:25):
Night, Yeah, it was, but it is what it was.
I was actually close to the Oakland when I was
there for that trip. Actually, Oh, try to take the
train and get to that wrestle medium before my cousin
came into town and I rode with him. I rode
to the train and actually passed by the old Raiders stadium. Oh,
put it this way. The stadium and also the neighborhood
the stadium is in is a much better look and

(01:54:47):
a much bigger upgrade compared to where it was before.

Speaker 2 (01:54:52):
Really, Yeah, there's.

Speaker 1 (01:54:53):
Stadium in Oaklands, like in the middle of the hood,
and that stadium is like old and you.

Speaker 2 (01:54:58):
Know, broken down. Yeah, we that place. That's why the
Raiders moved to Vegas, and that's why the Oakland A's moved.

Speaker 1 (01:55:05):
Yeah, and the Warriors too. The Warriors don't play in
Oakland either anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:55:09):
Yeah, there's state there Arena Oracle arenas literally what just
what right across from the stadium. And then they eventually
moved to San Francisco.

Speaker 1 (01:55:18):
Yeah, I'm not gonna lie that. Those parts of Oakland
I saw in that train ride, yet they were not pretty.

Speaker 2 (01:55:25):
It is what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:55:25):
But yeah, San Francisco is definitely a beautiful city. The
Golden gay Bridge area where all the water is and
all that is really doped to look at. But damn
a lot of hills, bro a lot of hills.

Speaker 2 (01:55:36):
Oh I bet, I bet, I bet, A lot of
great vegan food.

Speaker 1 (01:55:39):
And unfortunately, one thing I didn't notice when I was there,
a lot of homeless people.

Speaker 2 (01:55:44):
Oh man.

Speaker 1 (01:55:45):
Yeah, You'll literally be on one black and you'll be
like around like regular people, and then you'll walk over
the one block and you'll be surrounded by homeless people.

Speaker 2 (01:55:53):
Wow. Yeah, really weird. M So it's uh, we're still
in the Rustlemania season because I feel like we need
to do and we're going to be talking about another
WrestleMania next month. I think will be appropriate that. Yeah,
we went back to ten years ago. I feel like
next month will be going back another ten years, will

(01:56:13):
be going back twenty years because I think, oh twenty one.

Speaker 1 (01:56:18):
Nice, that's a good idea. That was the year I
graduated high school too. Yeah, oh yes, a lot of
good memories.

Speaker 2 (01:56:25):
WrestleMania two thousand and five was a hot year in WWE.
That was the beginning of a new era for that
wrestle Mania because you were crowning your new faces of
the company, John Zena and Batista, and yeah, it's very memorable.
WrestleMania one of my favorites. And yeah, I can't wait

(01:56:45):
to review that for next.

Speaker 1 (01:56:47):
Month me either. I'm looking forward to it. Yeah, WrestleMania
twenty one is definitely a classic.

Speaker 2 (01:56:52):
I cannot believe in twenty years, I.

Speaker 1 (01:56:55):
Will say the two thousands were probably the best decade
for WrestleManias.

Speaker 2 (01:56:59):
Oh, absolutely, no doubt.

Speaker 1 (01:57:02):
Although this decade is building up a good case so far.

Speaker 2 (01:57:05):
Oh it is, Oh, of course. You know. It's funny
because whenever I do like a WrestleMania marathon, I'm always
watching the ones from the ones that I grew up on,
like the two thousands and nineties and all that stuff,
and you know, maybe like a couple from the eighties,
but I never really like watch any like, you know,

(01:57:25):
more up to date, the modern ones, you know what
I mean. So I think I want to rewatch thirty seven.
Always like thirty seven was good. Yeah, thirty seven was
always had always had like a very hard soft spot
for thirty seven. I want to rewatch thirty eight and
also thirty nine of course. So yeah, I want to
rewatch like more like the modern ones. Like the more recent,

(01:57:48):
you know, recent ones from a couple of years ago,
because look, the past couple of WrestleMania's have They've been
really decent, very good. I've been very good.

Speaker 1 (01:57:57):
You're the last four were either great and yeah, they
definitely made up for like some of those crappy ones
we were getting for a few years, like you know,
oh god.

Speaker 2 (01:58:05):
Like those like like those late twenty ten ones were
just like my god.

Speaker 1 (01:58:10):
The hands in general were shipped for w W Jeez.

Speaker 2 (01:58:14):
Thirty two, thirty three was way too long. I thought
I was about to pass out. Thirty four was that
one where I'm like, damn it. If they would have
did two nights, it could have been a good event.
Thirty five was like, oh god, thirty six COVID year,
Oh you know.

Speaker 1 (01:58:30):
Yeah, but I was actually watching this list ranking the
ten worst WrestleManias. You know what's WrestleMania. They ranked his
number one.

Speaker 2 (01:58:37):
That's worse. Yeah, worst WrestleMania.

Speaker 1 (01:58:41):
Yeah nine, nope, number nine, No, it was on. They
were both on the list, but those were not the
worst ones.

Speaker 2 (01:58:49):
No, No, thirty six.

Speaker 1 (01:58:53):
No thirty six, Man of gets a pass because their
hands were tied.

Speaker 2 (01:58:57):
So that was okay, So if it's not nine, if
it's not eleven, damn thirty two?

Speaker 1 (01:59:11):
No, that was on the list. I'll give you a hint.
The anniversary of that WrestleMania is actually today.

Speaker 2 (01:59:17):
Wait a minute, what's today? Today's the twenty seventh.

Speaker 1 (01:59:20):
Yes, and I just mentioned that a specific event happened
on that day, the first Classic Champions that went a
posed to another event.

Speaker 5 (01:59:29):
No, March twenty seventh, I have it's taking you a minute.
I wonder what WrestleMania is on twenty seven.

Speaker 1 (01:59:41):
There was only one WrestleMania on March twenty seventh, ever,
and that was the one that was ranked up.

Speaker 2 (01:59:45):
Wither one on this list? Damn four? Yes? Four? What
that was number one? Yep? The whole four.

Speaker 1 (02:00:00):
Yeah, it wasn't good.

Speaker 2 (02:00:02):
I would rather watch four over nine and see Savage
go through the gauntlettle becoming champion. I cannot watch Russell
many nine. I can't watch I Oh.

Speaker 1 (02:00:15):
I'll admit WrestleMania four is not good. The only really
good part of that whole show was really Savage winning
the title at the end. But I would have put
another WrestleMania as the worst over that one, like two.
I would have ranked probably two as worse than four,
and also twenty seven I would have ranked worse than
the four too.

Speaker 2 (02:00:32):
Oh yeah, I forgot about twenty seven.

Speaker 1 (02:00:34):
Yeah, twenty seven was god awful.

Speaker 2 (02:00:36):
Son the look the only good thing about that event
was Triple h and Taker and seeing Punk and Orton.

Speaker 1 (02:00:42):
Yep, I wasn't even watching at the time, but either
watching at the time.

Speaker 2 (02:00:47):
I knew the Rock was hosting, but I still wasn't
intrigue of watching it.

Speaker 1 (02:00:52):
Yeah, it was so trash, but yeah, twenty seven, twenty
seven was bad, Two was bad. Four wasn't grade even
five sultics up for the main event.

Speaker 2 (02:01:01):
I felt like five just dragged. It just completely dragged.

Speaker 1 (02:01:05):
And it also dragged.

Speaker 2 (02:01:07):
Yeah, five just completely dragged to the point I was like,
just please get to the main event already. Like the
first time I watched.

Speaker 1 (02:01:14):
That WrestleMania when I was a kid, I felt the
same way. I'm like, when's the Hogan and Savage match gonna.

Speaker 2 (02:01:21):
Dragged? But then six, I'm like, oh I could watch six.

Speaker 1 (02:01:24):
Yeah, six, seven and are good six seven and have
their own appeal to it. Yeah, but then nine, nine
and eleven are garbage. Also, thirteen sucks too. Also thirteen
is not that good.

Speaker 2 (02:01:35):
I felt like eleven they did an overhaul of celebrities.
I was like, my god, like, how many celebrities you
need for us event? Jesus my god. Everywhere I turned
it was a celebrity look except Jonathan Taylor Thomas. I
like him. That was That was okay, But yeah, Salt
and Pepper, Pam also Pamela Anderson was cool to see
her pama Aarison too though. But I just felt like

(02:01:56):
everywhere was just like, my god, it was like celebrities
here and there left. I was like, whoa, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:02:01):
Jenny McCarthy was there, Nick Tatro was there, freak the
all pro tem.

Speaker 2 (02:02:07):
For Lawrence Dale, Lawrence Taylor. I love Lawrence Taylor's involvement.

Speaker 1 (02:02:10):
Now wat Tyler, how could we forget him? But it
was It was so funny when Jonathan Taylor Thomas beat
Bob Becklan in chests, like Bob Backlan had a melt
down over him.

Speaker 2 (02:02:22):
I think the fact what made it even worse was
the fact was the location too though.

Speaker 1 (02:02:26):
Oh god, yeah, that was the first WrestleMania believe it
or not that I actually watched live on pay per
view the night it aired.

Speaker 2 (02:02:32):
It wasn't a good hard for Connecticut.

Speaker 1 (02:02:34):
Look, it wasn't a good show, but it was at
least fun, like, you know, for that night because I
had like people over. It was a good time. But damn,
so Mania.

Speaker 2 (02:02:41):
Sucks of all places, hard for Connecticut, it's their own base.
I don't care.

Speaker 1 (02:02:47):
Also, thirteen was trash. Fifteen also wasn't good.

Speaker 2 (02:02:50):
I could sit through fifteen, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:02:53):
Because the product was good at the time. That's kind
of what makes up for the show sucked. But at
least the product at the time was hot.

Speaker 2 (02:02:58):
I mean I could sit through fifteen was like, no problem.
I think Jeredy King Lawlers and Nicole's commentary was pretty
funny though. But I could sit through fifteen. Sixteen I
was like, oh.

Speaker 1 (02:03:09):
Yeah, that one was bad. First great as that year
was for them, that was like one of the worst WrestleManias.

Speaker 2 (02:03:14):
God, it's so funny those WrestleManias there in the attitude
era was like just they weren't hitting except for seventeen.

Speaker 1 (02:03:22):
Fourteen was like, eh, fourteen was okay. Fourteen wasn't bad,
but it wasn't a classic.

Speaker 2 (02:03:27):
Yeah, And then I mean my personal pinion, I could
sit through fifteen and sixteen was just like, oh my god.
I was like, okay, the triangle ladder match, I was
like okay, but like every other match was just like eh, yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:03:40):
The only Spingles match in that old show was the
Cat and Terry.

Speaker 2 (02:03:44):
Yeah, and then you're just kind of just like all right,
just just give me to the main event and you're
like the ending, You're just like whoaple h one what
and like what you know.

Speaker 1 (02:03:53):
But then from seventeen on they were really good. Like
from seventeen, hit.

Speaker 2 (02:03:57):
Hit after hit after hit after hit, those box office
numbers blah blah, this child.

Speaker 1 (02:04:06):
Yeah. From two thousand and one to two thousand and eight,
WrestleMania had a great run.

Speaker 2 (02:04:10):
Oh yeah, head after hit except twenty three was a
little bit.

Speaker 1 (02:04:15):
Was like, you know, I feel the same way about eighteen.

Speaker 2 (02:04:18):
Boy, it was just like to you it was just yeah,
it was cool.

Speaker 1 (02:04:21):
Like I'm not calling it a bad show, but like
you know, I wouldn't call it a great WrestleMania was
by any stretch.

Speaker 2 (02:04:27):
I like that one because like that's kind of like
for I was like that was kind of like the
very first one that I saw live on pay per views,
So it just like that I guess like, oh, you're first,
you know what I mean. So, but twenty three was
just kind of like it was good. I thought it
was good.

Speaker 1 (02:04:47):
I thought that Money in the Back match was grade
ben By and I loved it. The NAT was grade.
The Battle of the Billionaires was fun.

Speaker 2 (02:05:05):
The story, the build up for that was just unbelievable.
You cannot deny that. You cannot deny the build up
was just this out of the world because everybody who
was everybody was talking about it. Donald Trump even showed
up on RAW on a couple of occasions. Was just like, Wow,
he's really dedicated to this. Come on.

Speaker 1 (02:05:24):
Looking back at it now, you kind of wish he'd
got in his head shaved instead.

Speaker 2 (02:05:29):
Well, at least he got stunnered, hitty stunnered with that.

Speaker 1 (02:05:34):
I wish you why they had hit him with the
moment Spike.

Speaker 2 (02:05:39):
Yeah, I think we're gonna show on time though. But yeah, yes,
ladies and gentlemen, Yeah, we're still on the road to
wrestle Mania. It has been great going back ten years
ago talking about wressel Man of thirty one and uh yeah,
next month we'll talk about Ussell May of twenty one
from two thousand and five, but yes, follow us on
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(02:06:39):
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(02:07:02):
out for those episodes and also the most recent episode
we're going to do tomorrow and until next time. For John,
I know this is conscience Kurt with another edition of
Flash Champions. Take care, have a good weekend. Happy birthday
to me this Monday birthday. Thank you, and remember don't
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Speaker 2 (02:07:21):
The birds and ladies and gentlemen. Always stay safe, stay blessed,
and always stay adventurous. And to my baseball fans, Happy
Opening Day, whoever whoever's your team is is a great
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Can't say it any better than that.

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