Clash Of Champions Presents Wrestling Review Rewind: WWE WrestleMania 21

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yo, yo, what is going on? My fellow wrestling fans.
Welcome to a brand new week, and welcome to a
brand new edition of what we like to call the
Clash of Champions, where we dive head first into all
the controversy, storylines, personalities, and everything in between a cents
around this world we know and love as professional wrestling

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for better or words. Sign your host, the vegan you
believe in Conscious Kurt aka the Professor aka Kurt GPT
and the Flesh as always, and my co host needs
no introduction, but the hell with it. He's about to
give y'all one anyway.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
That's right, ladies and gentlemen, this is tag team partner
Jonathan Randall, the Adventure himself at your guys' service, and
welcome to our soap opera that we call Professional Wrestling.
And boy, oh boy, he has so much going on
in the wrestling world as always, because wrestle Mania is
literally right around the corner right now, Kurt, and not

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only that, but today is also it's another special episode
as always, because we're going back in time. This time,
we're going back to April two thousand and five to
go back to Hollywood wrestle Mania twenty one, and it's
only ironic that I bring back my little friend this
right here, ladies and gentlemen, that I still have on

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DVD after twenty years.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
Yeah, shout out to my co host John Mantle. After
all these years, he still kept his DVDs and still
uses a DVD player. Yo, shout out to you for that, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Yeah. Man, I gotta keep it real, man, I can't.
I mean, it can't be too codependent on streaming these days, man,
because not everything that you want to watch is going
to be streaming, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
So yeah, we'll get into that a little later. But
before we get into our wrestling review, rewind part of
the show. We're going to take you back to this
past Friday on SmackDown, which took place in Chicago, Illinois,
the hometown of cmpunk. And this is the first SmackDown. Yeah,
and this is the first SmackDown in the States actually
in a month after the europe tour.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Yeah, that was a long European tour. I felt like
they're gonna be there forever.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
For like three weeks.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
But yes, And on Friday on SmackDown, we had the
reveal finally of the favor that Paul Hamon owes to
see M Punk and we finally got that reveal at
the end of the show as Punk, Seth Rollins, Roman Reigns,
and Paul Hamon were in the ring and Punk revealed
the fact that the favor that Haymon owes him is
for the match at WrestleMania for Hayman to be in

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CM Punk's corner.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
You know what, when I watched the whole entire segment,
two things that come to my mind as that whole
thing went down. At that moment, Kurt, it just felt
like Seth Rohms was like the third will in this
feud because he was just there to spectating to find
out what was going on. And as the favorite was revealed,
right and all of a sudden became an issue between

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seeing Punk and Roman Reigns, where like again goes back
to number one, Seth ROMs was like the third Wil
just completely left out of this whole situation. And it
goes back to what I've been saying for a long time.
I'm a firm believer of foreshadowing because seeing Punk in
this segment mentioned how Paul Hayman wanted to do this

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with him all the way back since twenty thirteen on
that episode of Raw about how he wanted to you know,
walk down the aisle with him in the main event
of WrestleMania are also in the championship match, and that
was a favorite that was owed. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
He also mentioned the fact that they had a conversation
on Big Show's bus, like back in two thousand and
six when like Hayman left DCW with like Big Show
in RVD and like Pump begged him, like not to leave,
because that's like when he left with the whole like
you know, falling out with Vince and he's like, yo,
please don't leave me. They're going to fire me. They're
gonna fire me. And then Hayman was like, don't worry
about it. You're gonna be fine on your main event WrestleMania.

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They won't be able to deny. Yes, they won't be
able to say anything to us anymore. And lo and behold,
almost twenty years later, it's finally happening. But when he
revealed that that was the favor that Hayman owed him,
Roman laughed it off, said like that's it, that's the favor.
Come on, he's not gonna do that. He's my wise man.
He's my wise man. And then as he's saying that,

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you notice that Hayman's crying, and then Roman like starts
to point it out and says like, YO, tell him no,
tell him you're not gonna be and then Hayman still
continues to hesitate, and then Roman's like, I'm going to
give you one last chance, say you're not going to
be in his corner. And then Hayman basically said, I'm sorry,
my tribal chief, I can't do that, and the crowd

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goes wild yep, and then Roman reigns gets pissed off.
He kind of like corners Hayman into the corner and
then Punk attacks Roman from behind lays him out with
the GTS and YO. The way Roman laid out for
this was very, very, very strange, like when Peter Griffin
fell down the stairs and family guy, that's exactly what
he looked like. Yeah, and then Pump like stared at

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Rollins briefly as he was about to leave the ring,
and then Rolin just standing in the corner laughing, I'm
telling you, bro. The seth Rollins in this scenario was
the rock in the SummerSlam two thousand main event.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Yeah, at that moment, he was like the third will.
And here's another thing, man that I didn't catch this
not until later on. So you remember that that promo
between Cody Roads and Roman Reigns back in March of
twenty twenty three, leading up to Russell MANA thirty nine.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
I kind of forgot about it, but then I saw
a post online, yeah today talking about it. How like
Cody said that everybody was gonna leave him one by
one from Solo.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Jimmy j and Event Paul Hayman. Yeah, and looks like
it's happening pretty much, talking about how a chief with
no tribe and it's funny again foreshadowing Kurt goes back
to what I was saying, everybody's leaving him man as
soon he said that this was gonna happen when he
lose his titles. Now, yeah, Roman didn't lose his title

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that year, but the following year he did, and then
it just felt like ever since then, it's just slow.
He's just been downhill for Roman.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
Yeah, basically has been. But hey, he hasn't changed really
anything about his character since he came back in SummerSlam
last year. He's still kind of been an asshole.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
Yeah, you kind of all right about that. That could
since a little heel attitude from him ever since he
came back a little bit. You're all right about that.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yeah, he hasn't changed it all. And there was a
good segment to close the show. But I will be honest,
that reveal of the favor was a little underwhelming considering
how long they've built this up.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
True, and I just felt like something just wasn't clicking,
something else is not there. It's like, that's the favor
for this whole entire time. I felt like he was
gonna be something more than that, you know.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
Yeah, I mean the storyline I'm still enjoying. I mean, yeah,
segments between the three of them, But yeah, that revealed
the favor. I don't want to say it was kind
of like the reveal of Vince McMahon as the higher Power,
but it was still right.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
You expect, we're pretty much we're expecting more in a sense,
you're kind of like, that's it. Like I thought it
was going to be like a bigger, you know, favor
than that.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
You know, I thought it was going to be like
a lifetime supply of muffins could see him punk likes,
but I guess whatever it is right, all right, But
we'll get into the Punk Roman and Seth scenario in
a few minutes when we talk about rob But also
what else happened on the sackdown was some very unfortunate news.
As Nick all, this was in the ring, and he

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talked about the fact that this is a part of
a job that he doesn't like, and then he brought
out Kevin Owens, and then Kevin Owens came out to
reveal that he needed next surgery and that he did
not know when he would be.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
Back, which means that Randy Orton and Kevin Owens the
match at Russell Mandy forty one is pretty much canceled,
which leaves Randy Orton with no opponent. This is very unfortunate,
is stuff like this, especially during this season where like
everybody wants to be careful and not get hurt, and

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it happens. Man, it really sucks when injuries happened, but
especially during this season when you're building up to a
good match for your biggest event of the year, it's
it's heartbreaking, and you know, again, you know, my best
wish is speedy recovered to Kevin Owens, you know, and
I also I feel bad for Randior in this situation too,
because this is a very good few going into this

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event and unfortunately, you know, hey, you know it's canceled now.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
So yeah, even Kevin Omen said that in the promo
that like, it really sucks that he's not going to
get to wrestle Randy ordinate WrestleMania. And he did like
a podcast interview like that same week, and he talked
about the fact that he's been dealing with his injury
for four months and when you think about that, especially
he's a match he had at the World Run but
with Cody, that ladder match, and also that non sanctioned

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match he had with Sammy Zane last month. He was
doing these kind of math just with his neck messed up.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
Hey, man, they needed surgery. Hey, you'll be surprised how
tough these athletes are. Man. You know, they'll they'll they'll grit,
They're grit they'll go through it just to you know,
for their their love and their love and passion for
the business, you know.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
So yeah, he even said that, like, you know, where
the amount of time he's been wrestling and also the
style that he wrestles, that it was only a matter
of time, but for something like this happened, and unfortunately
it happened right literally before WrestleMania, and I was I
was really hoping that this would be a swerve, kind
of like the Mark Henry fake retired.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Oh yeah, yeah, I was kind of.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
Hoping it would be something like that. But then when
Randy Gorton came out and then Kevin Owens and him
just like steady at each other when he walked away,
I'm like, Okay, this is real.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
This is I thought it was too when I first
heard of it, I felt like, I think he's gonna
be you know, that's part of the storyline, to fake it,
you know what I mean though, But no, this is real.
He's git hurt.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
Yeah. And I noticed as he was leaving like he
like said like some fan I think said something to him,
and then he stopped and the gut in the fan's face,
but they cut the camera away from it. Apparently the
fan said something about his weight.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
Yeah, I saw that that was that was messed up.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
Yeah, I hope that fan gets his ass beat.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
It was stupid.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
At that moment, like the at that moment when the
dude says he has to leave to get surgery, and
he's gonna miss WrestleMania. You're gonna say that dumb shit
to him? Go fuck yourself.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yeah, that's just you're not in his position. You're not
trained or know what it's like to be in the
ring to make that comment. It's messed up. So I
didn't I didn't like it one bit. And yeah, he
deserved to be called out by Kevin Owens at that moment.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
Yeah, but that's another story. So when Randy, when Randy
Orten was in the ring with Nick Alldi, just out
of nowhere for no reason, he lays him out with
an r KO.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
Nah, I mean story, I mean kfe wise. Yeah, he's pissed,
like fuck, I ain't gonna get my my my match,
you know what I mean. So yeah, look, and that's
another question what Kevin Owens is gone? But where does
this leave Randy Orton moving forward? And a lot of
people have been speculating who should be his opponent at WrestleMania.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
I think considering what he did to Nick Alldi and
also considering the fact he did the same thing to
Nick Alldi like a year and a half ago when
he first came back. I think it might be Nick Alders.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
That's a good that's a good, good one.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
Apparently he's been, you know, wanting to wrestle. He can wrestle,
and I guess this is this scenario creates an opportunity
for him to do so okay, yeah, well we'll see
by like Friday. I'm sure by Fridday, for sure, we'll
know what's going on. Yeah, it's funny when Randy Orton
arcaoed him all that time ago, he got fined fifty
thousand dollars and then Randy Orton gave him one hundred

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thousand dollars and then Nick Alders is like, what's that for?
And then Randy Orten was like, that's for when I
do it again.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
Right, Yeah, funny.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
We'll see what happens with that. And also on Friday
on Smack then it was made official. It is going
to be Naomi against Jade car Gill at WrestleMania.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
And this is very interesting because this is the first
time that we have a women's match out of WrestleMania
that's not for the title.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
Very interesting, well, first time in twenty years, first time
since two thousand and six.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
Oh yeah, yeah, you're right, the Yeah, the Playboy pillow
fight between Canus, Michelle and Tory Wilson. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
Yeah, but this is a much bigger deal.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
This is Oh yeah, this is much true.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yeah yeah, because people have been kind of campaigning for
this for a while, where like, you need more storylines
involving the women in Poe matches involving the women that
necessarily don't, you know, center around the title. I like this,
especially how great the story's been between the two of them. Yeah,
it's great. And this will be Naomi's first singles match
at WrestleMania two.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Oh nice, and also the Jake Cargill's debut at Russellmania too.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
Well, debut singles match you wrestled WrestleMania last year.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
Oh yeah, yeah, right right.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
We'll see what night Yeah it was the night win match,
But we'll see what happens with the rest of the storyline.
I have been digging this Naomi heel turn and all. Honestly,
I feel like there's some storyline's been doing more for
Naomi than it's been doing for Jade.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
Well, I mean yeah, because I mean, God to remember,
Naomi's the Naomi's the heel in this situation. So she's
gonna stand out more what heel, what you're supposed to do.
So yeah, it's not a surprise to me.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
Yeah, that owen Hart throwback out it is also standing
out to lie. Also on SmackDown, we had the WW
debut of Ray Phoenix, who picked up a win. You
look very impressive in his match, and you could even
tell that he was crying after the match was over.
He was very you know, happy and emotional that he
finally got to have this moment, and I'm happy for him.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
Hey, man, this just goes to show you how bad
a W is, how the environment is. Man, just to
get you emotional at that point, to be happy that
you're back. That goes ashit know, the other house where
you were at AEW. That goes to show you how
much you know turmoil is going on over there, which

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will which we'll get until later moving forward.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
Well, I'm sure that's a part of it also, but
just in general, we probably dreamed of being in WW
furs and even in the promo after the match he said,
I am WWEE. Yeah, I'm happy for the dude he
got out of that toxic gas situation. Hopefully in WW
things work out better for him. I like the fact
that they're keeping him and his brother pent A separate.
They can do their own thing, and then possibly they'll

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team up together at some point and for better or worse.
The biggest talking point that came out of SmackDown this
past Friday was a back and forth promo between women's
champion Tiffany Stratton and Charlotte Flair, with Wade Barrett aka
Jerry Springer being the mothering for because that's exactly what
this damn segment was. It was kind of a Jerry

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Springer show segment, Reality TV toxic bullshit and a wrestling ring.
That is exactly what this shit was.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
Pretty much. They just they literally just gloves off when
at it and literally went off script in this segment.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
Yeah, and even Charlotte was getting booed heavily every time
she tried to talk, and it just got to the
point where she said, like, you know what, I'm gonna
let you finish, and you could tell by that that
she got overwhelmed and kind of more nervous considering the
crowd reaction, and then Tiffany just like let her have it.
Tiffany talked about the fact that like her being twenty
five years old, she's a women's champion, And when Charlotte

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was twenty five years old, she was trying to play
volleyball getting drunk in her dad's basement. And then the
money line of the mall was when Tiffany said, when
I beat you at WrestleMania, your life in wrestling is
going to be just like your personal life. You're gonna
be all alone. And then she talked about her being
zero to three just like her marriage records and whatnot,

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and then she got right out of the ring and
when she said that, and then Charlotte randomly said, yeah,
that's why Lewick Kaiser's in my DMS.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
Yeah, I'm sure I can definitely tell for sure that
line was not planned, just because of the way it
came out.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
No, of course, not that ending that that Pacific ending
wasn't really planned at all. And that's what I'm saying,
like nobody expected that that that.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
Wow, I'm not gonna lie. This whole feud has been
a train wreck. It has not been that good in
the bill they've been doing for it, and this it
like really solidified all of it.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
Yeah, I mean, it gives us something to talk about, though,
But it's not this feud is not really on point,
like Jade and Naomi and Rha Bianca and EO Sky,
you know what I mean. It's just and it's crazy.
It's and you know, like WW removed that that part

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of that segment. But it's really funny how Charlotte, like
a couple of days prior to this, went public and
interview about you know, her person my life, mainly her divorce,
and then you know this comes up.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
Yeah, she was on Sherry Shepherd literally the day before,
and then yeah, Tiffany Stratton brought it up in the promo,
and then after this happened, it came out that yeah,
they were completely offscript in this segment and that there's
kind of heat on both of them, but more of
the heats on Charlotte because Charlotte's been the one who's
been instigating all of this and Tiffany Stratton was like

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more standing up for herself, especially when you look at
that back and forth like backstage promo they had a
few weeks ago. Yeah, like this is kind of like
I guess Tiffany's trying to get back at her, but yeah,
this just came off bad. And this is not the
first time we've seen Charlotte in this kind of scenario.
Remember that whole belt swap situation with Becky Lynch a
couple of years ago.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Oh god, yeah, you made a big issue about that.
We both did.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
It was bad, bro, it was unprofessional as hell.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
I know. But you know what, it's really kind of
sad that it's not a good look on Charlotte too.
You know, we're kind of taking most of the blame
because you're the like, you're the veteran. You've been in
this business longer, so you should know how to carry
yourself and condone yourself when it comes to situations like this. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
I mean, I don't know her personally, but from the
reports that are coming out and whatnot, it just seems like,
you know, she kind of maybe feels like she is
the queen, she is the best, She is above everyone,
and it's just so weird, like in a lot of
her feuds, like it doesn't really feel like it benefits
the other person as much. Like the only other person
I could think of who she really helped elevate off

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the top of my head, really is real. Ripley from
that match two years.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Ago from Russell mana thirty nine correct.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
Other than that, I can't really think of any other
people she's like really made or elevated to that next level. Yeah,
it doesn't really ring a bell. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Even like when the match was made, right, I said,
Tiffany Stratton really needs to win this match because of
you know, look, it's nothing agains Charlotte fe but like
Tiffany retaining the title, this will really you know, be
good for her, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (19:10):
Yeah, just in general, ever since Charlotte came back, it
just has been a weird vibe. I don't know if
the personal stuff she's dealing with outside of the ring
is a part of it. It's possible that it is.
But ever since the World Rumble, she just has not
been clicking, And it's possible that she could end up
losing at WrestleMania then taking time off. But regardless whether

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Tiffany Stratton wins or loses at WrestleMania, more than anything else,
she needs to have a breakout performance where she gurns
people's respect, she earns people's love and admiration, and where
people look at her differently than they look at her now.
I think, more than anything else. She needs that. Whether
it's she wins the match or she loses the title,

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that's exactly what will make her a bigger start.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
I think that will make up for it, you know.
Not a really good build up in a storyline, though,
but making up for it will be. Hey, if they
put on a good match, they'll make up for it.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
Yeah, but after what we saw Friday on SmackDown, maybe
it's best we don't see them interact on TV anymore
until WrestleMania.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Oh god, no, you're absolutely right about that. But the
thing is how they're gonna He's We're like, what two
weeks away, what are they gonna Yeah, about a week
and a half away. They don't interact with each other,
which I mean, I don't blame the business for doing it,
but it's like, how are you gonna capitalize on what
happened and what you're gonna be doing moving forward for

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that feud itself? You know.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
I guess we'll see what happens is Friday on SmackDown.
But yeah, this was not a good look at all.
Nobody came out of this segment looking good. No, right,
In any event, we did have rob this past money
getting into another women's storyline heading into WrestleMania. The show
kicked off with Adam Pierce calling out Eo Sky, Bianca Butlair,
and Rio Ripley to the ring and he took responsibility

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for what happened the week before in that match where
Bianca was the referee, and he basically said, it was
wrong of me to think that any three of you
could be professional in that kind of setting.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
They were never professional with each other for the like
the longest before before that match, before the contract signing,
just ever since Eel Sky became the new women's world champion,
all three of them have not been professional with each other.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
Yeah, not at all. But Adam Pierce finally made it official.
We've been waiting pretty much a whole month for this
to finally be made official. It is mean to be
Eo Sky, Rio Ripley, and Bianca Belair for the women's
world title in a triple threat match. Yes, and it's funny.
Bianca Belair the top she was wearing on raw, My
old coworker actually made that for her.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Are you serious?

Speaker 1 (21:52):
Yeah, one of my old co workers. She's like a
fashion designer. And then I saw a post like the
outfit that Bianca Belair was wearing and that apparently that
was out that she made for Oh wow, yeah, good ship,
shout out to Missy.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
But then after the announcement, Bianca said that she wasn't
mad anymore. She wasn't mad the way she would have
been a month ago if Adam Pearson made this triple
threat match, because now she really wants to get her
hands on Rhea and she wants to show that she's
not afraid of her. And then Rio Ripley was trying
to talk, and then Bianca just cut her off and
then got into each other's faces, and then Eo tries
to get into the middle of them, and then Rio

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Ripley pie faces her again, and then Eel Skuy acts
like she's about to leave the ring, but then what
she does instead of leaving the ring, she missile drop
kicks Ria onto Bianca and knocks them both down. Good
for Io, Good for her, she did that.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
Good. She's been disrespected in his whole few Kurt, I
don't know how many times I have to say it.
She's been disrespected ever since she's been the champion. It's
like she became the champion and it's like, oh, everybody's
just focused on Bianca and Rio Ripley and a shove
her to the side and eels I was like, wait
a minute, I'm the champion, worp. Come on now, you

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know what I mean. I don't blame her for it.
That's why I mean my first predict, my early predictions,
you know, for this russelmeya. Look, the fan in me
once really loves the Ria Ripley, you know what I mean.
I would cheer for her, but it's like professional me.
It's like I kind of want io Sky to win.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
She's definitely gonna get cheered the loudest I think out
of the three of them when the match happens. Yeah,
and just judging by the last three weeks and the
state's not being any different than overseas, I think Bianca
Bella is gonna be the heel in this whole thing
by the time we get to Oh yeah, because she
got booed again this week. Every time she talked, she
got booed.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Oh she got oh my god. And that episode was
in the States, it was in Minnesota. She got booed.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
She got booed again. Yeah, you didn't hear it.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
No, I don't know. I probably missed it though, but like,
because look, the only time that I remember she got
heavily booed was when they're in Scotland.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
She got booed. Last week in London, she got booed again.
This week she got cheered.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
I remember, I remember she got cheered in London.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
I don't recall I.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
Remember she got it sounds like she was getting sheered
in London. I was like, oh, you know, because everybody
was making a big deal, oh, oh my god, Europe is racist.
And then when I was watching that episode, I was like, wait, Mante,
London's cheered first, so I don't want to hear anybody complaining.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
Yeah, it's weird because she really didn't do anything wrong. Technically,
it's been real who's been the one who's been trying
to implement herself into this whole thing after she's the
one who screwed up and cost herself the title all
those weeks ago.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
And lost the title to begin with.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
That's what I mean. Yeah, Ri has been more of
the heel in this whole story than anything else, and
it's weird that they're kind of like, you know, turning
on Bianca one. Technically she hasn't done anything wrong, but
considering that she's getting this reaction this and the fact
that she's done nothing wrong, I think this is going
to lead to a heel turn.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
It's okay, but everybody's like making an issue about him, Like, God,
why is you know Bianca getting booed? And I'm just like, guys,
fans have the opinion.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Yeah, yeah, I'm not going to make this a whole
race thing by any stretch.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
But I'm getting tired of hearing it. It's like, I
don't think race has nothing to do with it. They're
going to cheer and boo who they want.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
But admitted be so it is noticeable that they're turning
on her.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Well, we'll see what happens with that. So that match
is official for WrestleMania. Also official for WrestleMania after this
man put a piece of metal in his mask to
pick up the win for himself and the Creed Brothers
to beat the LWO. It is going to be raymis
Stereo against El Grande Americano.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yes, yes, well you know what, Kurt, we may potentially
see a big reveal at wrestle Mania. Let's just say
if raymons Steria wins this match, he will reveal the
identity of El Brondo and Maricano.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
This will be the first time Raymonds Stereo faces another
masked wrestler at WrestleMania. Hey look this is interesting. Hey,
look at least Dad Gables finally getting singles match at
WrestleMania for ones.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
Wait wait, wait, wait, we don't know if it's shut
the hell up? Come on now, you gotta play on along.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Now this is not Batman and Bruce Wayne. Well, yeah
that is anyway. Also made official for WrestleMania, we have
a four way for the Intercontinental title between bron Breaker, Penta, Dominic, Mysterio,
and Finn Balor.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
I knew was gonna happen, Yes.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
So did I. Yeah. They were backstage in the Judgment
Day clubhouse and Finn Baalor came in talking about how
like they made the match of four away. He kind
of acted like he was disappointed about it, but then
he said, hey, i'f some more the merrier with Dominic
being in there. And then he said that, yeah, people
always thought that Dominic was a loser, that he can't
win a title, that he's not really anything special. But

(26:50):
now you get to prove them wrong.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
You know what, Kurt another prediction. I'm at a crossroads
because it's like, I love brown Breaker and I love Penta,
you know what, man, And a part of me is like, oh,
I really want Pena to get this moment, you know,
to win a singles title. But do not be surprised
and Dominic Mysterio wins his match though.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
Oh yeah, I know. I can definitely see him winning too.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
That's an upset. He's that wall card in that match,
could sneak in there and just win and surprise everybody.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
And finally, this will be his first WrestleMania match not
involving his dad.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
Yeah, I'm happy for him. I'm really happy for Dominic.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
So hey, he had a great match against Penca later
in the show. Him and Penca had a solid match.
He actually put on a good performance. You even hit
Pencer with a Mexican Destroyer at one point.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
But then Penza eventually won, and then Carlito attacked him
from behind, and then bron Breaker came out and bron
Breaker nol Ie hit Carlito that spear I've ever seen.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
I saw another angle or camera angles from the right
side the way that bron Breaker just jumped like he
literally just like he jumped from like a few feet
mid air and hit Carlito whoa, whoa, yeah, to the
point where Carlito I pretty much had to talk about
his own funeral on Twitter. That was hilarious.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
I think literally, I think literally that spear is the
definition of like tearing somebody in half. That's literally what
the hell he did to Carlito there. And even bron
Breaker's girlfriend left the comment under that that image and
she said, that's exactly what he does to me when
I come home every day.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
Oh lord, you gotta do it. Somebody somebody made a
meme say whenever I come home to see my dog
and how my dog reacts when I said, was fun.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
Whenever I have a girlfriend. Again, that's exactly the kind
of treatment she's getting. I'm not even saying hello. Well,
that's another story. So then Breaker gets into the ring.
He spears Dominic. He also spears Penta. But then Finn
Bala comes out and lays out bron Breaker with like
with a scorpion death drop. I guess you can call it,
although it's not technically the name, and then he held
up the title. But I did notice that he did
that help up Dominic after Dominic got speared.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Yeah, it's gonna be like that. I mean, it's gonna
be every man for himself fatal four way, you know
what I mean. So, yeah, they're gonna cross paths and
they're gonna like one of them is gonna get a
pin and you know, Dominics is probably gonna break the
pinfall and tensions is gonna rise. Hey man, this is
not a surprise, but I love this build up. This

(29:25):
is one of the the uh the matches on the
on the low card where I'm kind of like, I'm
very interested in this match.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
Yeah, it should be interesting. I like all the storylines
going on in it, and yeah, all the talent in it. Yeah,
I think it'll definitely deliver. But Yo, this is that
damn Live Morgan's fault. She stays making trouble.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
I mean, without her, Dominant wouldn't been in this match,
So I mean.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
Yeah, she's on some Yoko Ono shit.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
All right.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
But anyway, speaking of Live Morgan, her and Raquel Rodriguez
will be depending the women's tag team titles at wrestle
Mania against the winner of a tag team Turmoil match.
It'll take place this Friday on SmackDown and Two of
the participants who will be teaming together in that Turmoil
match face each other for the women's in her Continental title.
On Raw, it was Labravalkure defending the title against Bailey.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
That was a good match.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
Yeah, had a great match.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
I really looked like Bailey was gonna pull off the
win and get the win the title, but no, but
she didn't unfortunately though. But regardless of a great match
between those two.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
Yeah, Bailey had her like in the Boston Crab at
one point, but then yeah, she noticed that Libra wasn't
gonna tap out, and then she tried to hit her
with a rose plant, but then Labra reversed it into
a pin and then won. And Yeah, Bailey surprisingly didn't
want to shake her hand at first. She kind of
like slapped her hand away, but then she but then
she turned around and hugged her a few seconds later.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Yeah, just frustrated. I mean, you almost had the win
and then you lose.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
So yeah, but they're definitely winning that Turmoil match on Friday,
considering the other teams that are in it, and also
considering the storyline. Yeah, they're definitely winning that match.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Let me see it. Oh, we forgot to mention that
his also has been on the card that La Knight
would be defending his US Championship against Jacob Fatu.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
Yes after Jacob Botsu won a Number one Contenders match
against bron Strowman, a last man standing match. Yeah it
was a great match, but Jacob Batu picked up the win.
And yet you have yeah, you will now be challenging
for that United States title at WrestleMania. But probably the
standout segment of the night on Monday, we had Gunther
and jay Us face off.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
Oh oh, and boy, we talked about how last week
jay Us needs to come out there swinging, no yeating
and all that and none of that hand waving with
the fans, none of that. And his appearance even told
the whole story because his dudes weren't all black. He
did come down from the crowd, but he wasn't you know,

(31:57):
eating and all that. He wasn't doing that. Literally just
walked down the walk down the stairway, got in the
ring and literally got serious about how you know, talking
about Hey, you know, you have kids, you have a mom.
You know you're talking about how your day goes and
you know I had to go to my mom, you know,

(32:18):
tell her what happened, and then pretty much you know, saying,
my mom told me, how come you didn't defend Jimmy.
The blood on him is a blood on his hands
as well. And just the one thing that that really
struck me in that segment at the end is about how, like,

(32:39):
you know, the night before Russell Mania, I'm gonna, you know,
pray with my son and I'm gonna, you know, talk
to God and you know and ask him, you know,
forgive me what the person he's going to become at
wrestle Mania.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
Yep, he said that he's not scared of going through
it anymore. He said he's gonna ask for forgiveness for
the man he's gonna become at WrestleMania. And he told
going through the cases, wife and kids hug him really tight,
because a WrestleMania, he's coming for that title, for his family,
for his brother, and for himself. So gun Throw better
get his ass ready. And you can tell by the
look on Gunther's face that he was shook up.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Yeah, he was for the first time. He was pretty shook.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Yeah, physically physically, Gunther has been given upper hand though,
but that verbal segment that we saw, yeah, Jay had
the edge.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
Yeah, so this is exactly the version of Jus. So
we've been like hoping for demanding and after what happened
there was Brother Jimmy last week, it's exactly what was needed.
It would have been cool if he you know, through
through hands and going through and all that, but I
think what he did here was a lot more effective.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Yeah, trust me. Yeah. I mean we were all saying, oh,
he needs to throw some hands though, but no, this
one right here, we had to get your point across.
So very interesting. I'm very curious what's going to happen
next week for the going home episode of Raw in Sacramento,
so hopefully.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
Honestly, I don't think I need to see any more
segments between them anymore, especially after this.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
No no, no, of course, not no, you're right, no.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
Yeah, but now this match really feels like a major
championship match at WrestleMania, because there wasn't feeling that way
a few weeks ago, but after these last two segments
between the two of them, now it feels like a
big deal again.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
M hm, yep, especially after what happened last week and
you know this this past week.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
Yeah, yes, but in the maiden segment of the show,
we had Paul Hayman talking about how he's loyal to
Punk and he's loyal to Reigns, but just because he's
loyal to both of them, that doesn't mean he'll ever
be disloyal to either one of them. And then Seth
Rollins comes out to interrupt and how he goes in
to talk about how that's all bs and how Roman

(34:51):
doesn't care about Hayman because of the fact that after
Roman lost the championship at WrestleMania last year, he disappeared
and left Hayman like in the clutches of the New
bloodline with Solo and Jacob Battu, and like Roman didn't
come to save him when they all attacked him on
that one SmackDown and put him to the announced table,
and he also said Punk also didn't come to save him,
and Punk didn't do anything to help him, and the

(35:13):
only reason why Punk did him that favorite to be
on women's team at Wargames wasn't because he was trying
to be a good person and help Hayman out. It's
because he wanted to use it to get a favor
from him. And then he goes on to talk about
how we could take Hayman out of this equation so easily,
and like it'll be quick, it'll be painless, all that

(35:33):
good stuff, and then he starts to say that Punk
said when he came back to he wasn't here to
make friends, he was here to make money. So he's like,
how much are you worth, Paul? Are you worth this much?
And then he like shoved him. Are you worth that much?
And then he slapped him, and then he try to
shove him, and then Hayman grabbed his hand and said,
don't you ever put your hands on me again?

Speaker 2 (35:54):
Got real man for the first time. It's funny because that,
you know, prior to all that, Like I was alluding
to earlier, how seth Rons after that segment from SmackDown
that seth ROMs is kind of like the third Will.
But after what we saw, seth Rons pretty much implemented
himself as like yeah, he now he's one of the
top players in this feud now as always. But it

(36:17):
didn't stopped from there, because after that CM Punk did
arrive and attack seth Rollins and he even tried he
he was even about to curb stomp. Looked like he
was about the curb stomp seth Rons on the still steps,
but seth Rons ran into the ring and as soon
as seth as soon as seeing Punk got into the ring,
he got a curb stump from seth.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
Yeah, and then when Hayman was trying to check on Punk,
Rollins acted like he was gonna curb stop Hayman, but
then he stopped, and then he told Hayman, now you
owe me a favor. Oh shit, Now this few got
a lot more interesting now. It fuels a lot more
interesting with the whole teas of possibly Hayman aligning with
Rollins and which side he'll really be on.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
Yeah, and let's not forget Roman Reigns will be on
Raw next.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
Week, Yes, you will. You will be on Raw, so
we'll see what happens there. And yeah, Paul Hayman is
really feeling like Miss Elizabeth at WrestleMania five right now. Yeah,
those are some of the highlights of Raw. Yeah, this
feud is definitely spicing up a lot more. I'm really
liking where it's going. And yeah, we'll see what happens
at WrestleMania's definitely going to be one of the standouts.

(37:29):
And it better because it's a damn main event without
any Tidele on the line.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
Yeah, and I'm still kind of just like scratching my head.
How come there is no talks about maybe getting the
title shot or anything. Why is it all like, oh,
the favors that Hayman will be on my side. It's
just I don't know, I'm feeling sidetracked about this whole feud.
Like I love the build up and everything, but it's
just the whole favorite thing kind of just it's just

(37:55):
odd and weird to me.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
Yeah, it is a little strange a whole build up
to wrestle Man. He has been very up and down.
And one thing I've been talking with Wayne Keller about
when I've been co hosting with him the last few
weeks is how like it's kind of weird with certain
people on the show now they're like not really defined
as being babyface or heeled. There's like kind of too
many tweeners, too many like one day they're a good guy,
Oh they're a bad guy, like real people. One example,

(38:20):
bron Breaker and yeah, Romans, seth Rollins, all these other people. Yeah,
it's kind of like to the point where like you're
not sure who to cheer for, who to Root against.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
Yeah, that's that's that's a very good point.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
Yeah, because I've been expecting Round to turn heel pretty
much ever since the raw on Netflix in January.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Yeah, and he's kind of like, right, and you're kind
of like, well, do where are you at right now?
You know what I mean? So you know what I
think for bron Breaker, I don't know, especially in this
build up, I kind of really see him as like
a babyface now, especially after what's been going on, because
prior to that, I was kind of like, I don't

(38:57):
know where he's at. But now after you know, seeing
especially with the involvement of Finn Balor and Dominic, now
it's kind of like I kind of do see him
as a little baby face now, especially with the direction
with the fans. You know, yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
See it, but like it's kind of like still not
fully defined. And even when the three way with Punk,
Villins and and Roman, Yeah, it's kind of like who
do you cheer for?

Speaker 2 (39:18):
Of course I'm sure for seeing Punk that come on, but.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
You know what I mean, though, it's like no clearcut
heel of Route against True.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
Yeah, but in any event, last Sunday at aw Dynasty,
after Swerve Strickland did not win the AW championship from
John Moxley due to the Young Bucks making their return
and costing him the match. He ended up not winning
the championship, So this death Rider's bullshit storyline is gonna
drag on a little longer. So it looks like I
won't have too much of a reason to watch AW

(39:47):
for a while. And Swerve Strickland got on the mic
after the show went off the air, and at the
end of his promo that he was cutting, he literally said,
fuck Booker.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
T stupid pretty much rent free. Look. I get that
there's been tension between them, but the fact that you're
on another show, another promotion, talking about somebody else from
a different promotion. I don't give a damn if the
show was on air or off the air. The fact

(40:20):
that you're just you're literally talking about somebody else and
for another promotions, it just shows why that business is
getting the bad rep as they do.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
Yeah, this was not a good look.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
Yeah, that's another I don't give a damn, like about
Oh my god, because what you know, a Booker did
this and I don't care. It's very unprofessional to be
doing that.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
And Booker T even responded saying how he still wishes
for the best and all that he hoped he has
a great career here professional, but he just basically said that, Yo,
if you're really gonna cut a promo at the end
of the show and make it about the company that
you're in.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
As opposed to somebody else, thank you exactly, Thank you exactly.
Booker was being professional in this situation. He wasn't going
at him, Oh how light, No, dude, Like he's the
veteran this situation. He handled it professionally as he should.
Swerve has just rubbed me up like I never had
nothing against the guy. I don't. I don't have anything

(41:20):
against some professionally he's a great wrestler and all that stuff.
But it's just that just rubs me off the wrong way, man,
because why are you over here talking about a veteran
who in pretty much you really think about it, Yeah,
Booker T really is paving the way for a lot
of black male wrestlers and for the future. Why are

(41:42):
you over here talking about stuff what he did and
how he handled at the different promotion, Like what does
that have to do with you?

Speaker 1 (41:49):
Hey? Look, and I'll say it again as I said
last week, I don't like the fact that Booker T
defends a lot of ww's bullshit, and even when like
the you know, the situation with the black male wrestlers now,
he was even saying, how like it's from like a
lack of effort of some of them and they're not
stepping up and like working hard enough. But at the
same time, Booker T does have one of the better reputations,
not just from black wrestlers, but just wrestlers period. Throughout

(42:13):
all the years I've been watching wrestling, for the most part,
I've heard nothing but good things about Booker T. Not
even just from a performer standpoint, but just from the
way he carries himself, how he treats people, how professional
he is. Yeah, you hear nothing but positive things about
the dude. So, yeah, that was kind of whack for
him to say that, of all people to say that
to Booker T. He doesn't have to be friends with him,
he doesn't have to like him personally, but just to

(42:33):
say that shit at your own promotion show when the
dude doesn't even work there. Yeah, it came off bad.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
Yeah, exactly, that's another point. You're not even working there,
so why are you over here still like holding grudges man,
and still talking about them? That's not your business anymore.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
Yeah, not at all, like it just the kind of
things like that that kind of like really show you
the kind of vibe AW is on. And yeah, it's
kind of a vibe I don't like to fuck with.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
I don't know, man, if I was a professional rust,
especially after what I've been seeing from them the past,
you know, a couple of years, I don't want to.
I really don't want to work with those guys. I
would rather work at TNA the work at AW.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Possibly I wouldn't mind taking a backstage reporter job if
I got paid enough. And I'm not saying I would
be necessarily.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
Well, I mean that's completely different, you know what I mean.
But as far as like in the ring work, that's like, nah, dude,
I don't know if I could do that.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
Yeah, I mean, they still have great talent. They do
put on great matches and good pay per views for
the most part up until recently. But the biggest complaint
they've been getting is, yeah, the fact that they're too violent,
they like do unprofessional shit like that, and just the
fact that they've been like dragging this whole death writer
storyline where John Matzi is the champion for six months
and people are not into it, people don't like it.

(43:46):
It's really been dragging the show down. And honestly, I
can trace back the last few months of like you know,
watching aw lesson Less to when that storyline started and
they had the opportunity to finally end it and have
worked within the title with how pop the swerve is
and you know how much momentum he has, but they
still chose to drag this shit along.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
Just unprofessional man, And this is something like you never
do that. You don't. I don't care if it was,
you know, on air or off air. That's why a
lot of people are kind of like defending wolves off air.
I don't give it down. I don't give it him.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
I'm even lad dj vladd was getting involved in this.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
Oh you was offending himself. I was like, bro that
you of all people.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
Yeah, he was talking about how like Booker T used
to hang out with like this child molester or something.
He like showed pictures like Booker T with this like
supposed convicted child molester, and he talked about how like
he didn't make Swarve Strickland say anything. Sworth Strickland chose
to say those things on his own and all this
other jazz. Yeah, dj vladd doesn't have the best reputation.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
Kind of inated it, kind of integ.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
Yeah, maybe they should do a match with dj Ladd
as a special referee.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
Oh god, if I was a celebrity, if any point,
Oh really you know? Now now I know who to avoid.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
Now, Yeah, apparently dj vladd from like some of the
people we interviewed, like some of the things they said
on those interviews got them like in jail.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
Whoa, oh yeah, see huh point all right, but that's
another story.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
But by him, my brother, Are you ready to jump
into our wrestling galorean?

Speaker 2 (45:22):
That's right, ladies and gentlemen, I'm so ready. I'm so excited.
I'm always get excited when we talk about events from
especially from the Ruthleus Aggression era. Man, and can't wait.
Let's go, let's rock.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
Yes, we're taking you back to April third, two thousand
and five. It is WrestleMania twenty one aka WrestleMania Goes Hollywood,
taking place from the Staples Center in Los Angeles, California.
And even despite the fact that they did not have
you know, Stonecolts, Steve Boston and The Rock as the
headliners for this show. This WrestleMania still did over a

(45:56):
million pay per view buys.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
And this is very oh oh my god, a lot
of interesting stuff about this of the whole event. It
really takes me back. I had so much to say
about this event and what was going on surrounding it.
But before we get into WrestleMania twenty one, Curtis, there's
a lot of stuff that happened in the world in
April two thousand and five. Yes, there was, yeah, man,
a lot of interesting stuff, especially stuff certain things that

(46:21):
has still going on with now, right, So I thought
this was very interesting. I don't know if you remember this.
So back in April second, Bubba Stewart becomes the first
African American to win a major motocross event, pretty much
like those supercross motorbikes events. I don't know if you

(46:43):
remember that, but it was in Texas. He was the
first African American to win the event over there.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
Oh good ship. I did not know that, but yo,
that's what's up.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
April fourth, North Carolina defeated Illinois in the National Championship
Game in the Final four Clutch. April fifth, Shington Nationals
played their very first inaugural season that year, her first
season Washington Nationals baseball team.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
Also, what happened on April second, that weekend of this
WrestleMania The Pope died?

Speaker 2 (47:15):
Oh my god? Really? Oh that was Didn't they had
a did they have like a like a vote or
like a something for the to like a new pope
that year or something like that.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
I don't know what they did exactly, but I just
know he died like around that time, like that weekend.
Also a few days before this WrestleMania, Johnny Cochran died.
Oh and the Siamese Twins, the Siamese Twins also died
that week too. Really yeah, they all died that week
of this WrestleMania.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
Here's another thing. This took place after WrestleMania, right, so
April twenty third. Did you find it is very interesting?
YouTube's co founder, oh Joe Kareem uploads the very first
video on YouTube.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
Yes, this is the time that YouTube started.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
Yesterday is camp twenty years, crazy Son twenty years the
very first. Like, it's crazy how that started and how
much you know YouTube is still like a part of
our lives and how much you know, it's changed. It
got to the point where we're just streaming videos on YouTube,
to the point where you could watch TV on YouTube now,

(48:21):
Like that's crazy, man.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
Yeah, basically YouTube was what kind of did in MTV
and BT for music videos. Oh yeah, funny enough. Around
the time of this wrestle Mania, about a month before
this WrestleMania, the game was kicked out of g unit.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
Oh that's when it started feeding with each other.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
Yeah, it's so crazy. They had like two songs out
with each other at the time. They had how We
Do It? Yeah, I hated it or love It was
actually hot around the time of this wrestle Mania. I
remember it specifically. They were playing it all the time,
and it's so crazy that they were like beefing and
there they had like one of the biggest songs in
the country together.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
And it's funny. Speaking of fifty cent, can you tell
me what was the number one song April thirty, two
thousand and five, Candy Shop from his album The Massacre?

Speaker 1 (49:07):
Correct, Yeah, The Massacre and Look you were still hot
at this time. He was still popular, but this was
definitely a step down from Get Richard die trying true.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
Yeah, you're right about that.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
And also I was really starting to get turned off
by him because like, yeah, the music I didn't like
as much, and also I didn't like the fact that
he was like picking beefs was like a lot of
my favorite rappers at the time, Like he was picking
beefs with Jada Kiss, he was picking beefs with Nas,
picking beefs with Fat Joe obviously game. Yeah, I wasn't
really feeling this side of fifty at that point when
he was kind of, you know, starting beats with everybody.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
Wow, can you tell me what's the trying to tell
me what was the number one movie?

Speaker 1 (49:45):
Oh? I know what the number one movie was because
I saw it a few weeks after this WrestleMania. Sin City.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
I never really sat and watched that movie. Is that
a good movie?

Speaker 1 (49:53):
I love it. I love sim City. It's very well made, Terry.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
Or is that Robert Rodriguez.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
No, I think Tarantino maybe had a hand in making it.
But overall, I just really liked that movie a lot,
especially the way that it was made. Also the cast. Yeah,
it's a dope ass movie. Honestly, do cast. I think
it's in my top three favorites of that year. Okay, yeah,
Sin City, Forty Year Old Virgin, and Crash, with an
honorable mention to Hustle and Flow.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
Okay, Oh, I think one of my favorite movies from
that year I loved. When I think about movies in
two thousand and five, like the first movie that really
just comes to my mind The Star Wars Episode three
came out that year in May. Loved that movie. Thank God.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
I thought you were gonna say Fantastic four.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
No, no, that I did. Like Matta Gascard I came
out that year. Okay, King Kong was actually pretty good
movie that year.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
Never really saw. War of the World was good.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
That was okay, that that was okay. Move I'm trying
to oh like that Batman Begins. That was another movie.
How can we forget that one that was at was
on a tip of my tongue. I knew I was
missing something. Yeah, it was that movie.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
And honestly, I used to like this movie a lot
when I saw when it came out at the time,
but I'm not really feeling it as much anymore. Wedding
Crashers oh mm hmmm. Also Waiting came out of five.
Waiting that movie was mad funny.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
What was that about?

Speaker 1 (51:26):
The movie about everybody who works at the restaurant? Like
Ryan Reynolds is in it, justin Long and Anna Faris.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
I don't ever ever seen that.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
Yeah, it's about working in a restaurant. I've worked in
restaurants for years, so it's very relatable.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
Okay, So Kurt, I know you're you're a senior during
this time in yegh school.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
I wanted to get into that. Yes, I was in
my senior year of high school at the time of
this WrestleMania. I was about to go to my prom
and my senior trip and all that good stuff. And
it's funny enough, like the week before this WrestleMania, actually
went to visit New York for the first time in
six years. Oh wow, I was on spring break and
I was going. There was like some family drama that
cant be from going to New York because I used

(52:06):
to go every summer, but for some reason I was
unable to for a couple of years. And then this
year for my spring break, I was finally able to,
and you know, I had an incredible time. That was
such a great trip.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
So you were living in Florida at the time, right, Yes.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
I was lill in South Florida at that time. Been
funny enough, my high school made the news around the
time of this WrestleMania because one of the kids in
my senior class actually got expelled and arrested for selling
weed brownies on campus. What the hell?

Speaker 2 (52:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (52:33):
What?

Speaker 2 (52:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (52:36):
Was it not on the news. I didn't even find
out about it at school. I saw it on the
damn news.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
You're kidding.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
I'm dead ass serious. I was even questioning me about it.
My mom was questioning me about it, like he ever
sold me? Ay, I said, Mom, No, I knew the kid,
but I didn't know him like that, although I had
been experimenting a lot at the time, which I won't
get too deeply into. Oh my god, they tell the
truth that I did not buy from him.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
Okay, Bill Clinton, I did not. Don't go on records like,
I did not do that.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
I didn't, but like a run out of my bottom
edible a month before from one of my friends, like
and this was after school, This was at school, This
was after school. Okay, that kid specifically, I didn't know
who he was, but I didn't know him like that.
And yeah, just seeing him on the news. I'm like, oh, shoot,
this can't be happening.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
That's brownies.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
I bet he was making business, wasn't he.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
Yeah, but it's sad though. He had like a scholarship
to FSU and everything, and.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
Yeah, no, bro, that's all I was gone. Actually, was
he like a senior or junior?

Speaker 1 (53:37):
He was in my graduating class. Well, you would have
been in my graduating class if that not happened.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
And he had a scholarship to Florida State University. That
is sad, man. Wow.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
Yeah, it's crazy, man, yo, I'm telling you. My high
school was in a really nice area. It was kind
of like the Beverly Hills of that part of Florida.
But damn was there a lot of drugs and a
lot of shady craziness going on over there.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
Dude. It's always the high file places that has like
the you know when you look eternally, they got a
lot of stuff going on.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
Yeah. It was a crazy time, man, my senior year especially,
it was the most fun and the most chaotic year
of my life.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
I bet what was the name of your high school again,
Cyprus baby.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
They actually did a show about the school newspaper from
my high school on MTV. It was called the paper.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
Oh okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
Another thing that was going on during this time. One
of my best friends ell, you're friends with them online?
You you probably.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
Oh yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
Him and another one of my best friends we're not
really as close with anymore. The two of them were
really beefing at the time. They were like really not
getting along, going at it, having a bunch of like
personal issues. Yeah. It was an ugly period. It was. Yeah.
It was not easy seeing two of my best friends
just be at each other's throats. It was ugly. Yeah,
it was like. Yeah, I even wrote a story, like

(54:54):
a story I wrote on Amazon that I published a
year and a half ago. I wrote it all about
my senior year of high school, like all these events
they're in it. Wow, yeah, crazy time. How what were
you doing during this timeframe?

Speaker 2 (55:04):
Oh my god, I felt like it was just yesterday, dude.
So two thousand and five version of me was in
the seventh grade and middle school, living in Virginia Beach.
I was attending Larkspur Middle School, which is a very
nice school. By the way, you look at that school
and you'll think, like the size of it, You think like,
is this a high school because it's indoors and it's

(55:24):
two stories, right, so yet the bottom floors where the
sixth graders are at, and across the hall the no, no,
the bottom, the bottom lower level sixth grade. When you
go upstairs, one side was the eighth graders and the
other side was the seventh graders. But inside it was
a very it was a very unique school. I liked

(55:47):
that school. Had good times over there, and I was,
you know, living in Virginia Beach, you know, still trying
to adjust to the East Coast lifestyle out there, and
you know, just pretty much had my best friend who
lived right next door to me. You know, we'll play

(56:08):
you know, I'm still close with him to this day.
Man and me and him, you know, every day we'll
play hockey outside. And I even got him into wrestling,
surprisingly nice got him into wrestling. And we'll you know,
watch wrestling together. And he had his own trapeline in
his backyard and me and him my brothers will wrestle
on the trampoline and believe it or not, you'll think

(56:29):
this is funny that we were actually we were creating
our own a little wrestling promotion that before. Yeah, we actually, yeah,
Like I don't know why I got rid of the books.
So I actually had like a bunch of notebooks and
I'll book these matches. I was like the book and
I'll like write down these matches for these events, and

(56:49):
we will create our own pay per view names and
all that stuff. We're pretty much being promoters and we'll
just go in the trampoline and reenact the whole thing was.
It was really fun.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Yeah, I heard Virginia Beach is kind of hood. Is
that true?

Speaker 2 (57:05):
Not? No, no, no, I wouldn't necessarily say that it's
certain parts of Virginia Beach. You got your different parts
of it. You got like you know, like Chesapeake, and
you got like you got the other city, like Norfolk.
So you got two places. You got Virginia Beach and
you've got Norfolk, which is another city which is really
not that far. I would think that Virginia Beach is

(57:26):
kind of like the suburb of Norfolk though, but Norfolk
is kind of like hood a little bit. Virginia Beach
is really nice. There's this place called the ocean Front
kind of like you know how like you have a
like Mimmy has like South Beach. I would couldn't like
consider it close to it a.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
Little bittic appear kind.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
Of like that, yeah you know what I mean, Like
you go to the beach and you have like these
nice restaurants and bars and stuff, and it's a very
nice place man to go to. You'd be surprised how
chill and nice that place is. And yeah, man, just
a just seem to life out there and me being
in middle school and just being a kid still, you know,

(58:05):
watching wrestling and playing video games and you know, have
my best friend. I think having my best friend next
door really helped me living out there, because again, I
wasn't used to living out there. I didn't take moving
to Virginia very well because I just came from San
Diego and it was really different, and just having him
there was really kind of made up for it, you

(58:28):
know what I mean. And plus I had another best
friend who I met at that middle school who loved
wrestling just as much as I did. So yeah, that
build up just oh man, I got that whole build
up to wrestle Mania was fun, exciting, but also disappointing
because this was two days after April Fool's Day, so

(58:54):
at this time, Kurt right So I moved to Virginia
around two thousand and four. We had digital k I
was able to like, cool, I'm able to watch We're
all SmackDown, keep up with it? Right. So then literally,
like right after the Roar Rumble, we get rid of
our cable and I was a bit like surprised about that.
I was like, why are we getting rid of our cable?
You know what I mean? I was like, we had

(59:15):
two cable boxes. I was trying to tell my parents.
I was like, dude, like, just get rid of the
cable box in your guys' room. Who keep the one
in the living room? I thought I didn't know. I
thought it was because of money or whatever. Obviously, So
WrestleMania is building up, it's April full, it's April first,
and you know, my dad comes up to me and

(59:36):
my brother is like, yo, guess what. I was like,
We're gonna get our cable back. And I was like awesome.
I was like, yes, we're gonna order WrestleMania right. Cool? Right?
And it was it was mean though, I know. I
don't think it was really intentional on his heart on
his part to be mean though, but he pretty much
pulled April Ful's print on us. Yeah, I was not happy, dude.

(01:00:00):
I wasn't happy about it. I was like, did not
take it well. So, yeah, I unfortunately, as much as
I you know, knew what was going on, I unfortunately
missed this WrestleMania live. I'll make up for it the
following year.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
Yeah, I missed it live too. I almost missed it
live also because yeah, I would watch it at my
friend's house. But like, I kind of had like a
bunch of other stuff, like I mentioned a few minutes
ago going on, so I wasn't like as focused on
WrestleMania as I was in previous years. But then the
weekend of we decided, like, you know what, we'll watch
it together. I'll watch it at your house. And I
ended up watching it last minute and it turned out great.

(01:00:37):
It was a fun ass WrestleMania definitely one of the
better ones that I watched it at that time period.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Yeah, and just again you know the build up, man,
its just it brings me back, man, like wrestling was
so fun. I'm not downgrading what's going on currently now though,
but just especially as a kid my age, man, you're
just just you're in the moment and you're a bit
surprised about how far it has been. It's been twenty years,

(01:01:07):
and I felt like it's one of those eras where
we kind of like took it for granted just a
little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
Yeah, I feel the same way. I definitely took the
Ruth's Aggression era for granted, and I appreciate it a
lot more now. Although it wasn't perfect, it had a
lot of you know, bullshit in it, it still had
a lot of great stuff too.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
I loved every moment of it. And you know, like
when it came to the fifth anniversary of this event,
I was like, oh, five years, cool, ten year anniverse.
I was like, oh, ten years. But when it hit
the twentieth anniversary, that's when it dawned on me. I'm like, damn, dude,
it's been twenty years. Yes already, I remember like it
was yesterday. You know, I missed it live, but I

(01:01:47):
ended up buying it as soon as it came out,
and now I've been watching it like I know, this
event front the back man, just like every other DVD
that I have, And this event has so many interesting
facts about it. Not wait to get into it. So
April third, Ladies and gentlemen, Los Angeles, California is the
Staples Center. I still call the Staples Center. I don't

(01:02:07):
know why. It's crazy. It would be funny if I
go back in time and tell somebody, Hey, guys, it's
not gonna be called Staple Center anymore. It's gonna be
called it's gonna be changed to Crypto dot Com Arena.
Everybody's gonna be like, what the hell are you talking about?
But it is what it is. I still call it
Staples Center. Twenty thousand, one hundred and ninety three fans
at this event. This event sold out literally like less

(01:02:33):
than a minute.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
Yeah, it did have a quick sellout, and I think
it was one of the highest roulets events. Yeah, I
think it was one of the highest grossing events of
the Staples Center.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
Yeah. Fifth Mania to take place in Southern California. So
you got Russell MANI too, you got wressell Mania seven,
twelve sixteen, and this this upcoming one up at this point,
it was a fifth one. You know, until you know
thirty nine will come in.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
And argue it was the best win to take place
in Southern California besides Wressellmania thirty nine.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
I agree. I absolutely agree, because two thousand was kind
of like a letdown. Twelve's whatever you know, Yeah, it
was whatever you know?

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
But seven cool. Seven was cool. But yeah, two, I
don't even want to even mention.

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
Oh God, I don't that, Jesus.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
It's funny locations, it's funny. Out of the three locations,
the LA part was the worst part.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
Really.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
Yeah, the LA part of WrestleMania two is by far
the worst part of the whole show.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
Wow. So here's another interesting fact, so about this WrestleMania. So,
for when Staples Center celebrated their tenth anniversary in two
thousand and nine, right, because it opened up in nineteen
ninety nine, right, Yeah, funny how the year they opened
the Lakers won the title that year though, But anyway, they.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
Didn't win it this year. Hell, they didn't even make
the playoffs this year. In five.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
Oh no they didn't. You're right, yeah, they Lakers. It
was it was a it was a downtown for them
because they were in the finals the year before and
then that following year. Yeah they Yeah, downtime for them.
But anyway, Yeah, for the Staple Center's tenth anniversary in
two thousand and nine, wrestle Mania twenty one was voted
as ranked as number seven as the list of greatest

(01:04:15):
moments in that venues history, voted by the fans. Don't
blame him, it was the hype was real and even
I don't know if you ever watched this on DVD, Kurt,
one of the extras shows the hype around this event.
You know, during in the city, everybody was just hype
over this event. Man in La Yeah, and one.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
Way they were hyping up this WrestleMania with was those
WrestleMania trailers they were doing in the months.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
Beating up to Oh yeah, yes, that's That's one of
the reasons why I liked this event because they were
legit going Hollywood figurefully and literally, Kurt. Pretty much like
from the beginning of two thousand and five, we start
seeing these vignettes, these Hollywood trailer vignettes that these wrestlers
were doing, and it was very funny. I love all

(01:05:02):
of them. I think my personal favorite had to be
the pulp fiction one with Eddie Gerrel and Booker t
That was my That was my favorite one person. Yeah,
that was just the perfect because it was perfect to
put those two together because, like you know, they were
tag teaming with each other a little bit though, but
that was just the perfect pair to do that trailer.

(01:05:23):
I loved it. I love the ending how Booker T
looked like he's about to shoot the guy, just like
they did a pulp fiction, but he pulls out the
WrestleMania tickets and then Booker T was like, man, that
felt good. And then Edie Guerrero pulls out the guns like, man,
you know it's a good thing when you had to
use these, and the Bookers like, you know what, you
damn skippy, and Edie accidentally shoots the dude. Oh man,

(01:05:49):
that was clutch stuff. It was funny. But what was
your personal is gonna use that against Booker T? That
trail probably honestly, although this character is that aged well
at all.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
My favorite trailer was the one with you genis Forrest Gump.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
Oh that album was your favorite?

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
Yeah, when he's talking about that the WrestleMania moment and
then he's like in the middle of it, he like
punches the lady in the face. I was messed up
with so damn funny. Also the also the basic instinct
with Stacey KEEVESO that one was also.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
Oh god, that was And then freaking fabulous Mullah and
May Young oh oh in the end, Oh my god.
But I think I think another honorable mention will be
the I Like the Few Good Men one that was
funny h with.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
Cina and JBL.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
Yeah, I mean, come on, like freaking JBL's getting like
antagonized because oh do you let the bashings a ring side?
And JBL's trying not to, you know, to answer the question,
and Jonathan Coachman is the judge, and I was like.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
Oh my, it was.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
Funny, dude, it was funny stuff man.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
But also the Kurt Angle and Christy had me went.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
What do you thought about that one? Harry met Sally?

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
It was interesting. I mean, Christy Hemmy looked.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
Good as hell, you know what. Outside of the main divas,
Christy Hemmy was like one of my favorite divas.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
Yeah, she was a good looking woman. And also when
this trailer when like Angle was talking about like putting
the ankle lock on people, when she was getting all
turned off by it, and then Clena McMahon's like sitting
at the table across from him saying I'll have what
she's having.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
Did you ever like that movie?

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
I liked it. It was cool. I only watched it
maybe once or twice, but I liked it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
Oh my god, the Brave Heart, he's all we're talking, like,
oh my god, he's talking, He's about to go to war,
and the whole entire time there's just spears in front
of him, and then Rick Flair is on a donkey.
I'm like, oh god too, what they went over the

(01:07:52):
top and all these trailers. Man, especially I forgot to
mention this one Undertaker and Dirty Harry. That one was interesting.
That was kind of like wow.

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
Also the Taxi Driver won with like Batista, Sean White
Roster was doing it, Michael Cole was even in it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
Yeah, everybody was in it. But Big Show I felt
bathroom because every time he tried to say his line,
something will happen.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
Yeah. Batista kept saying you're talking to me, and he's like,
that's the line. And he's like, you're talking to me,
that's your line. Yeah yeah, he's like and then the
director says cut and he says, you're talking to me.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
Yeah. That one was ridiculous, but it was funny at
the same time.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
Jeeze dude.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
Yeah, And I mean they tried with the ones for
thirty nine, like those had some appeal to, but there
were nothing like these. There were nothing like the ones
that got here.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
This is why, And it's funny you mentioned thirty nine, Kirk,
because this is why I was really looking forward to
Russell mainga thirty nine. I was excited for it because, Okay,
they were coming back to LA but they're doing the Hollywood.
I'm like, oh my god. It was very nostalgic for me,
bringing me back to the days of Russell manning twenty one,
because like, oh my god, they're gonna they're gonna go
all out. I was even excited for the for the

(01:09:11):
stage reveal because like, oh my god, you're gonna do
They're gonna do a whole movie theater set like they
did for this one, which I'll get into later, but yeah,
I mean they did. They did the same thing for
twenty one. They did some trailer vignettes and then they
did a whole theater set, which I loved, and especially
with twenty one, I love from this ruthless aggression era, right,

(01:09:35):
Russell Mania twenty one is from that era. Is my
favorite stage. I love the stage. I love the whole
movie theater set that they did. When you look closely
on your right hand side. Whenever there was a match
going on, they'll say, now playing like, you know, Undertaker
versus Randy Orton, right, like you're at a like like

(01:09:56):
you're legit at a movie theater. And I love the
whole red carpet. I love the whole the lighting of it.
It just they made it legit like Hollywood. They made
it perfect and I loved it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:06):
Yeah, the stage was really dope. The setup of it
was really dope. And yeah, Lillian Garcia killed it singing
America the Beautiful the show.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
And then before the show started, they had another trailer
of Gladiator with Stone Cold Steve Boston.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
Oh, I forgot about that one. That was funny.

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
Yeah, that was a good look because he was going
to be a part of the show because he was
going to be on Piper's pit. And also it was
really cool about this WrestleMania timeframe. Was the Hall of
Fame they did the night before.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
Oh my god, the Hall the oh my god, the
lists of the Hall of Fame members from that class.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
Kurt Is, they all had ties to WrestleMania one. That's
the thing that every last one of them had ties
to was Yeah, they had.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
A little booklet right here, man, this is the list
is just wow, what a what a list for this lineup.
You can say, look, Hall of Fame always has a
good list though, but like when you think of two
thousand and five, this one just blows, just sets the
bar Man, Cowboy, Bob Wharton, Nikolai Volkoff, Iron Chic, Paul Orndorf,

(01:11:13):
Jimmy Hart, Roddy Roddy, Piper, and Hulk Hogan.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
Yeah, Piper and Hogan were by far the two biggest ones.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
I was.

Speaker 1 (01:11:21):
I was surprised when they announced that Hogan was going
in because he had kind of been on the house
with him for a while. And then when he announced
that he was going in, I'm like, oh, shoot, Hogan's
coming back, and yeah, this is around the times that they,
you know, started his reality show, so it kind of
made sense. Later that year, it was the first time
they actually broadcast the Hall of Fame on TV too.

(01:11:42):
It was only the last two inductees that being Hogan
and Piper, but yeah, this is the first time they
did it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
It's very interesting because you mentioned about the Hall of Fame.
So one of the facts that I that I looked
up about it Paul Orndorf left his Hall of Fame
plaque at the hotel.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
Yeah he did. I heard about that. Yeah he didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
Was it was it accidental or was it just it
didn't really mean much to him apparently?

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
Oh yeah, I don't know, but guess that's just how
we felt.

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
And Yeah, I liked speech. I liked about how we
put Bob back in the camel clutch.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
Piper also had a great speech. Apparently he rehearsed his
speech for the comedian.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
Yeah. I read about that. I was like, hmm, interesting,
all right, But but in any of that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
Will get into some of the Hall of Fame inductees
later because they had them all over this show. But
in our opening match, for the very first time in
WrestleMania history, we had two halves of the Taxing Champions
face each other as Eddie Guerrero went one on one
with raymis Stereo.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
You know what, these are one of those matches where
I kind of at that time I took it for
granted just a little bit, But when I look back
at it, it was a great match.

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
It was a good match. I'm not gonna say it's
the best that they ever had against each other. But
it was a very good match.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
It was a great opener. I love I just I
love the chemistry between them and how they started off slow.
I think it was that that It was like, it's
those kind of matches that I took for granted, because
I mean, younger me was like, oh man, why are
they you know, doing that doing that? But as you
get I didn't understand the psychology and how to tell
a story in the ring, and they both told a

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story in the ring. Just great, start off the match slow,
you Matt Russell, and you pick it up from there.
And I loved it. Loved this match.

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
I noticed that Raymond Sterio was bleeding from his mouth
at one point. Yeah, he was constantly trying to adjust
his mask.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
Yeah, that was a it was a different mask he
was wearing that he usually does.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
Yeah, but this was a fun match. And I remember
that one spot when Guerrero hit Mysterio with that backbreaker.
Oh that looked rough.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
Oh that's one of my favorite spots. Another favorite spot
when ray did that little spinning splashed from instuttering on
onto the outside on the eddie, and that was great.

Speaker 1 (01:14:04):
Yeah, they didn't really have a lot of time to
work with you could. I definitely tell they were kind
of under time constraints, but you know, they made good time.

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
They they'd have.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
Yeah, and remister we ultimately picked up the wind out
of nowhere, and then him and Guerrero kind of like
briefly shook hands. This was kind of like the early
stages of their feud and it would like really start
to pick up as the months went on.

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
Yeah, because we'll find out what happened later that month.
But yeah, this is when we start to see the
cracks of their friendships. So but great match to start
off the night.

Speaker 1 (01:14:37):
And then and unfortunately, this would be Eddie Guerrero's last WrestleMania.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
Yeah, yeah, that's all. It's all. That's what it's remembered for,
Eddie Girrel's last wrestle Manium. You know what will happen
later that year. But yeah, great match between those two,
the great start off the night. And from there we'll
be cut off to a very interesting not alter case, no,
but like a like a meeting between the two world

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champions between JBL and Triple H. As j bil is
walking down the locker room with his pretty much with
his cabinet, talking about how you know, he's gonna make
you know, John Za bow down to him. He's going
to retain his title. And then he runs into Triple
H and Triple H you know, makes fun of him time. Oh,
he's a wrestling god and you know I'm the wrestling
god here. And it was it was a very interesting,

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funny meeting between those two. Actually they actually hadn't met before,
but it wasn't like on screen. It was actually on
the DVD extra. It was actually met at Survivor Series
two thousand and four and one of the DVD extras though,
But this was actually kind of like the first time
live on TV that you're seeing two world champions meeting

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each other.

Speaker 1 (01:15:48):
Yeah, and then Triple H. I'm just like kind of
mocking him talking about the whole wrestling guid thing. Then
he tells like Jbo, Yeah, if you keep saying how
good you are, maybe one day somebody will believe you.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
Oh and Brashaw, I was like, I am that good.
You have been watching my matches. I am that good.
I'm the longest reigning champion. Wrestling guys don't lose their
champion nine times, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:16:10):
So we triple should have hit him with that line,
saying the only reason why you had that title for
so long is because I didn't want to go to SmackDown.

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
Right, he could have, but yeah, that was a very
interesting thing though, and it was very funny how they're
gonna say, oh, let's just see find out who's who's remaining,
who's still standing. I'm like, oh, man, that's funny that
he said that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:30):
Yeah, you're both gonna get your asses kicked, but that's oh. Yeah,
we see Adam Sandler and Rob Schneider in the front row.

Speaker 2 (01:16:38):
Got to show the celebrities. Man, you're in Hollywood, you
got to show the celebrities, and.

Speaker 1 (01:16:41):
Adam Sandler especially, he's a big wrestling fan. Yeah, always
has wrestling references in his movies. And yeah, this is
around the time The Longest Yard came out. Yeah, The
Longest Yard came out like right after this.

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
Yeah, and from there we had our very first money
in the Bank ladder match, a match that pretty much
that Chris Jericho created.

Speaker 1 (01:17:03):
Yes, with Brian Gortz, they came up with the idea
for it, and Edge initially didn't want to be in
the match because he felt like, you know, doing the
ladder matches was kind of like beneath him at that point.

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
Oh yeah, I forgot about that, yeah, because he felt like, wait,
I've been doing this a lot, like why am I?
You know what I mean. But what he didn't see
at the time was the significance of this match. It
wasn't just any kind of, you know, ordinary ladder match.
It was a match that was going to determine for
you to get at that time a World Heavyweight Championship match,
because the match was for Raw, for the Raw brand, right,

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and it was a briefcase. That's pretty much. It was
gonna you know, hey, you use this briefcase you cashing
in any time within a year to get a title shot.
And that was the whole premise of this match. And
six man in this match and good lineup Chris Jericho,
Chris ben Wall, Christen Shelton, Benjamin Kane and Edge.

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
In credible lineup. And this was back when it was
only like a brand exclusive match, so there was like
nobody from SmackDown in it. This is probably why Booker
T didn't make the show.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
Yeah, And it's funny because they had a Battle Royal
before the show went on the air and Booker T
won that match. It was kind of weird not seeing
Booker t on the card. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:15):
And also another weird thing about this WrestleMania there was
not one tag team match on the whole show. Yeah,
Teddy Long's worst night of his life.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
Yeah, but man, this was a great match, man.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
Yeah, this match was a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (01:18:31):
It was blocking say, the MVP of this match, Kurt
was Shelton Benjamin. He stole that show. Oh my god.
I love Shelton Benjamin at that time, man, he was
one of the most underrated superstars, you know, during the
Ruth's Aggression era. I love his reenwork. It's just that
his mic skills held him back though. But he was

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an Intercomental champion at this time. But man, what a
great performer dude, and performed really great in this match.
I love the spot where Chris Jericho is about to
get the briefcase and then the ladder. The other ladder
is like tilted on that ladder, and Shelton Benjamin pretty
much runs up to that ladder, jumps on the other

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one in clothes lines Chris Jericho off that ladder.

Speaker 1 (01:19:15):
Oh that was incredible. I lost my mind when I
saw that the first time. I lost my mind holy shot.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
Wow, and and.

Speaker 1 (01:19:24):
Honestly one of the dumbest spots in the match when
I look back at it now, Chris Benoit, with a
bunch of staples in his head, does the diving head
but from the top of the ladder on the cane
and then bust his head open again.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
He was memorable though, but like, like you look at
it now when you look back, I know, yeah, I know,
but like.

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
He did.

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
He had he put on hell performance too, though, but man,
he at one point he was one. He was like
one armed because Caine put his his arm in the
middle of the ladder and he slamm.

Speaker 1 (01:20:00):
Yeah, you could like tell he like threw out of that,
like yeah, he was like barely able to hold his
arm up. And then yeah, he did that spot. He
tries to climb up the ladder again, but then Edge
hits his arm with a chair.

Speaker 2 (01:20:10):
Yeah, that was a sad one. That was devastating. You
knew he wasn't gonna win, I know, but it was
just devastating though. I mean, even when he fell off
the ladder the paint, He's like, ah ah, damn.

Speaker 1 (01:20:23):
Edge climbs the ladder, grabs the briefcase and becomes the
first ever miss the money in the bank.

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
Wow. And it was good for Edge to win that because, like, dude,
Edge like for months was like, you know, I need
to be champion and just obsessed with just being the champion,
like I need to be the guy. And this was
his moment.

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
Yeah, it was he finally got to shine. This is like, yeah,
one of the breakout moments for him, and he would
become an even the biggest star within that next year.
And we all know how that cashing would turn out
when he cash you on Sena. If he hadn't won,
the other person I would have liked to have seen
win was Christian.

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
Really, oh Christian. Christian was very underrated that year specifically.

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
Yeah, I was really liking Christian during this time, like
with the whole saying the peep stuff, the outfit he
was wearing. Did you did you see the drip that
he had when he came out.

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
I saw that it was a fight all golden, all golden,
Hey have come not forget not just that the captain
charisma lord you probably let's not forget his problem solver
Tyson Tomko too. He had it all man.

Speaker 1 (01:21:31):
Oh yeah, yeah, they definitely dropped the ball with him
and Shelton Benjamin. It would have been nice if he
went through, but he was already Icy Champion, So.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
That was funny how Tyson Tumkle was helping him climb
the ladder on his shoulders. I thought that was funny.

Speaker 1 (01:21:46):
That's what Rhino did for Edgend Christian at WrestleMania seventeen.

Speaker 2 (01:21:49):
Oh yeah, and it was you know, hey, you know,
it's funny speaking of Edgend Christian, they kind of had
a little reminisce, you know, throwback when they when he
both hit came with the two ladders.

Speaker 1 (01:22:01):
Oh yeah, that was dope. Yeah, but they weren't really
acknowledging that they were brothers anymore by this point, I know. Yeah, yeah,
And it's so funny. Out of all six of the
guys that were in this match, the only one who
still hasn't won a World championship is Shelton Benjamin.

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
Yeah too, bad man.

Speaker 1 (01:22:17):
He was still the breakout star of this match. He
definitely was the most impressive on the Bending Room.

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
MVP of that match hands down, but.

Speaker 1 (01:22:24):
Edge was the winner and he would go on to
have a great, incredible career from that point on and
getting into our next segment we had Eugene come out
to talk about his favorite WrestleMania moments. And I will say,
although I don't care for the character, the character is
somewhat offensive in some ways. The dude who played the
character was very good at it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:43):
He did really good at it, and that character, I'm
a bit surprised that he actually got like pushed into
like some major storylines. Even the year before that, Yeah,
he was. He came onto the scene as Eugene's as
sorry as Eric Bischoff's nephew. Right then he's put in

(01:23:04):
a tag team.

Speaker 1 (01:23:05):
With William Regal and then well before yeah, he was
in the he's like working with William Regal. Then they
put him in a storyline with Triple H where he's
like an honorary of evolution to the.

Speaker 2 (01:23:15):
Point where he even like he's cass in the world
title and he's in the marquee match with Triple H
a SummerSlam, and I was like wow, and then it
didn't like, you know, we fast forward later that year
he's even in a marquee match with Kurt Angle a
Summer Slam.

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
So yeah, but by this point, the whole Eugene experiment,
as far as him being like in those main event matches.
It was really pretty much a rap by this point.
He got that like one token match with Angle of
SummerSlam later that year, but it was way past the
peak of this character.

Speaker 2 (01:23:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:23:44):
Yeah, So he's coming out to talk about it is
like favorite WrestleMania moments and then he's interrupted by Mohammed
Hassan and Davari.

Speaker 2 (01:23:52):
That's one. That's one guy where Yeah, I feel so bad,
like they were like going in a right direction, but
it was a it was a mistake that the business
made and they had to pull the plug, damn it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:07):
Yeah, that whole terrorist angle they did on SmackDown later
that year.

Speaker 2 (01:24:10):
Yeah, oh for him, and in two thousand and five,
Kurt was a different world because we were literally on
the war on Terror at the time, man, and two
thousand and five was a completely different time, man.

Speaker 1 (01:24:22):
Yeah, but that character worked really well during that period.
Oh yeah, nine to eleven stuff that went down and
how like you know, Arab Arabs were getting like you know,
discriminated against and like you called terrorists and all that.
So yeah, that character worked perfectly. He had like a
lot of you know, legit gripes even though he was
an asshole about it. So, yeah, that character was definitely
one of those like what if stories.

Speaker 2 (01:24:43):
Yeah, man, And then it was funny if he had not,
you know, gotten released and his character not you know,
got put off to the shelf. Guess what he said.
They were supposed to make a world champion at SummerSlam
that year.

Speaker 1 (01:24:56):
Yeah, they were. He was gonna go against Batista. He
was supposed to win that Undertaker then go against Batista.
But obviously it didn't work out that way. But yet, Wow,
he was only in the company for a few months
and he was already working with main Eventalent, he was
working with with Sean, he was working with John Cena Undertaker. Yeah.
Then Muhammad Asan is like complaining about not being on

(01:25:16):
the WrestleMania card, and yeah, the whole conspiracy against him
because he's an Arab American also the nonsense, and then
he attacks Eugene, puts him in the camel clutch, and
then all of a sudden, hoo, Hogan's music hits.

Speaker 2 (01:25:29):
That pop was freaking loud.

Speaker 1 (01:25:32):
Oh my god. I've even talked to people who were
at that WrestleMania and they said you could literally feel
the building shake when Hogan came out, Kurt.

Speaker 2 (01:25:40):
I've forgot to say this though, but my best friend
from Virginia a Mario, Yeah, he was at that show.

Speaker 1 (01:25:48):
I can imagine how crazy it was to be in
that setting for that. And this was like way before
Hogan's personal shit was getting exposed. People still liked him,
people were still into him. So, yeah, Hogan got a
massive pop. This is right after you got put into
the Hall of Fame the night before. So it comes out,
makes the cameo and then he hits Muhammed Asam with

(01:26:08):
a few right hands, throws him out of the ring,
and Davari tries to hit him with a chair and
then he does the you some Davari and then he
hits the Vari, then throws him out of the ring,
rips his shirt off, and then just does the Hogan poses.

Speaker 2 (01:26:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:26:21):
I like.

Speaker 2 (01:26:24):
Hilarious.

Speaker 1 (01:26:25):
Yeah, and look back then, I ate this up. Yeah,
back then, like when he came out for this some
segment and laid waster Hassan and Davario. I loved it.
I was jumping up and down. It was fun. It
was the first time I ever got to see Hogan
like live at a WrestleMania, like you know, the night
they heard.

Speaker 2 (01:26:40):
Yeah, but it's just crazy, how how a lot, how
much time has changed in twenty years because we so loved,
like so beloved and you know, admired by the fans,
and you know, you look now, it's like it's the
complete opposite now.

Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
Yeah, and look forward to twenty years later and that
exact same city in La he comes out and gets
booed out of the building. Yeah. Yeah, I will say this,
that reaction Hogan got at that WrestleMania two thousand and five,
I don't think you'll ever get a reaction like that again. No,
I hate to say it, but yo, he brought this
on himself. Yeah, but still a fun segment. Nonetheless, I

(01:27:22):
still like it at the time.

Speaker 2 (01:27:24):
Very fun segment. And then you get to our next match.
This match, Kurt, This was one of my favorite matches
on his card. I actually love this match. Legend versus
Legend Killer, the Undertaker going up against Randy Orton. This
was a great match. And it's crazy how the original plans.
I can't believe they're actually were thinking about this, but

(01:27:46):
it is one of the facts that I found out.
One of the original plans was supposed to do Undertaker
and Kane versus Hide and Right and Gene Snisky.

Speaker 1 (01:27:56):
Oh yeah, I heard about that. Yeah I could kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
Yeah that I would not would have been okay with that.
Hell no, that would have sucked because that whole Hide
and Write few that Taker was doing, you know, that
was kind of like you needed to end it, and
it ended at the Royer Rumble and then Jensnisky feuding
with Cain. I mean, I don't know, man, It's just
you can't stretch those feuds out, not going into Mania.

(01:28:20):
It's just no.

Speaker 1 (01:28:21):
Yeah, yeah, this is a much better situation for Undertaker
and also went away a much better situation for Randy
Orton because they tried to turn face and he was
initially going to be against Triple H in this WrestleMania title.
Obviously his baby face turned didn't work out well, so
they turned again, and yeah, they had a great feud
going into this Mania where like Orton's Slaptaker in the

(01:28:42):
face and then like to show that he wasn't afraid
of the Undertaker and was willing to do anything to
beat him. He like r kaol Stacey Keebler, who was
like his on screen girlfriend at the time, and then
they had that one setment on SmackDown where Cowboy Bob
tried to beg Undertaker to show mercy on a Randy,
but it was all a setup for like Randy to
lay him out with.

Speaker 2 (01:28:59):
Your you know what. Everybody talks about how two thousand
and nine version of Randy Orton is her favorite, but
like dude, two thousand and five version Orton was very underrated.
I love the involvement with his death throughout the whole year.
This was a different stepping stone for Orton because that
whole year he was feuding with Undertaker. That feud really

(01:29:20):
helped him and did it did, But this is also
peak like bad attitude Randy Orton, I know off yeah,
I know off off outside of the ring, yeah though,
but like we're talking about in the ring, even in
the ring, Orton was just like whoa he oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:29:36):
He was incredible as a character, as a character and
also in ring wise. Yeah, this is my favorite favorite
version of him in a way, but it's so funny
he told a story like on that, you know, especially
they did about the Undertaker.

Speaker 2 (01:29:46):
And Randy Orton view that you know, miss rehearsals, Yeah, he.

Speaker 1 (01:29:50):
Missed a rehearsal for this match, and like they were
all like looking at him like, yo, what the fuck
is your problem?

Speaker 2 (01:29:55):
Yeah, I know, he had a bad attitude at a time, man.

Speaker 1 (01:29:57):
And it's funny that was his birthday weekend to his
these actually the day after line, so he was probably
partying for his birthday and yeah, probably like a party
too hard and overslept and yeahs you.

Speaker 2 (01:30:07):
Had an induct your dad into the Hall of Fame
the next day too, yeaheesh.

Speaker 1 (01:30:12):
Yeah, that's probably one of those moments that he's ashamed of.
But good for him that he's you know, turned his
life around since.

Speaker 2 (01:30:18):
Great match.

Speaker 1 (01:30:20):
Oh yeah, this match is great.

Speaker 2 (01:30:21):
This match was And that entrance my Undertaker was unique
too though, because like you see Undertaker coming to the ring,
but he wasn't walking.

Speaker 1 (01:30:29):
It was like, you know, he was on those wheels. Yeah,
those wheels.

Speaker 2 (01:30:32):
I know, he's on a little platform and I know,
but you can't see because the smoke was there. But
you know, the whole mystery and the character that's what
makes it. That's why Undertaker's freaking a legend, man. And
you look at the entrances like, well that's a dope entrance.

Speaker 1 (01:30:46):
But yeah, yeah, and this was also the first time
they really made the streak like a prize, like where
they marketed it, marketed, where like who can be who
could end the streak? Yeah, this is like the first
WrestleMania where they did this.

Speaker 2 (01:30:59):
And this is I love this match and the storyline
because you got to remember at this time, before rand
Yorton was the viper and the apex predator, he was
the legend killer curs. The list the list of the
names that Orton has defeated prior to this match, Shawn Michaels,
sadly Shawn Michaels, r v D. The Rock, Mick Foley,

(01:31:25):
Chris Dude had a resume. Dude was the youngest world
heavyweight champion at the time. Man, So this dude had
a resume and he was one of those upcoming superstars.
And and it's funny how this whole storyline started because
I remember he was backstage talking to Jake, to Snake
Roberts and talking about how like no.

Speaker 1 (01:31:43):
No, no, no, it wasn't Jake, No, Billy Grant. There
was Billy.

Speaker 2 (01:31:48):
Oh that's right, Billy Grant. My bad. Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 1 (01:31:51):
There was talk about there was a segment a few
weeks before this like on the Highlightel where Jake the
Snake out and then he laid him out with an
r KO one.

Speaker 2 (01:32:00):
Okay, but yeah, but Billy Graham was, you know, he's
pretty much trying to get advice about like, hey, you
know many is coming up. You know what I gotta do?
And Billy Graham was like, you know what, just take it, dude.
Even Sean Michael said the same thing to him, like
you just gotta seize that moment and take it. And
then that's where he thought of, like, you know what,
I want to challenge challenge the Undertaker at wressell Mania.

(01:32:20):
So a whole legend versus legend killer fit perfectly with
him because it's the legend of the Undertaker, it's the
legend of the streak. So yeah, this is where the
whole you know, wressell Mania streak came into play Man.

Speaker 1 (01:32:33):
So yeah, this was a fun match, Like Randy Orton
was like countering all the Undertaker's.

Speaker 2 (01:32:38):
Moves, oh and even the snake eyes At one point,
I was like, my god.

Speaker 1 (01:32:43):
And then there was even one point that his dad
Cowboy by board and interfewed and hit Undertaker with the cast.

Speaker 2 (01:32:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:32:50):
Yeah, twenty years and that hands the leaden heel.

Speaker 2 (01:32:52):
Yeah, dude, but I think the best counter of them all. Oh,
I know what you're gonna say, Undertakers about the choke
slam rand Ney Orton, and Orton counters that into RKO.
Oh my god, that crowd went crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:33:08):
That was ah yo. Wow. R kotis seth Rillins at
WrestleMania thirty one, which is incredible, But this one is
a very close second as far as the ones.

Speaker 2 (01:33:18):
Thank you Funny Hell was like ten years in the
making for that one at the time. But yeah, that
was wow.

Speaker 1 (01:33:25):
Even though he hit that r KAO still was not
enough to win the match. And then he goes and
tries to do a tombstone to the Undertaker, but then
Undertaker reverses it into his own tombstone on the Orton
and that was all she wrote. The Undertaker was thirteen and.

Speaker 2 (01:33:40):
Oh and that was another good counter too.

Speaker 1 (01:33:42):
It was, But unfortunately Randy Orton injured his shoulder in
that spot and he was out for a few months
after this.

Speaker 2 (01:33:49):
It will He had a match the Falling Night though
he got hurt. He re ended. He was kind of
like heard it again the Fallowing Night because I had
a match against Batista. But yeah, he it was that
night that he hit he got his shoulder injured. So yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:34:01):
Yeah, but regardless, great performance by Ordoney in his match,
and there was another stepping stone for building up his
career and another win for the Undertaker and building up
the streak.

Speaker 2 (01:34:13):
I have to say, if there's a list of favorite
Russell Many Undertaker matches, this is one of them.

Speaker 1 (01:34:19):
Yeah, it's definitely one of the better ones, especially from
this era. It's definitely one of the better ones.

Speaker 2 (01:34:23):
Yeah, I love that.

Speaker 1 (01:34:25):
That's so crazy. The streak would go on for almost
another decade after this. Yeah, yeah, there's this peak Undertaker
in the ring. Honestly, like this mid two thousands period. Yeah,
this is the best he was in the ring.

Speaker 2 (01:34:37):
Yeah, Ti Taker was on fire.

Speaker 1 (01:34:39):
Yeah, he was in a tip top shape too. Like
you look at like his physique. It's really oh.

Speaker 2 (01:34:43):
My god, especially oh you look at his physique in
two thousand and seven, oh that year when he won
the title, he.

Speaker 1 (01:34:51):
Was on the Rocky four dye. Anyway, in our next
man we had for the women championship, Tris Stratus defending
the title against Christy Hemy with Lida in her corner.

Speaker 2 (01:35:08):
Yeah, and this whole match was pretty much based off
of jealousy because at this time, Christy hemy was on
the cover of Playboy and all.

Speaker 1 (01:35:14):
Honestly, I think that was probably the main reason why
she was putting this match, other than the fact that
Leda was injured at the time.

Speaker 2 (01:35:20):
Yeah, I guarantee you if Lida wasn't hurt, they probably
would have did Leader versus Tris Stratus.

Speaker 1 (01:35:25):
Maybe they were going to they were going to get hurt,
so that's why they had to switch their plans. Yeah. Yeah,
that's like another WrestleMania match that like, you know, you
kind of wish you got, but caused it to not happen.

Speaker 2 (01:35:37):
True, the match was, you know, not really not a
lot of whole writing on this match. This is Christy
Hemmy's very first match.

Speaker 1 (01:35:46):
But it wasn't her first match. It's like a first
like major match and.

Speaker 2 (01:35:51):
Okay, but I did love Tris stratus outfit though.

Speaker 1 (01:35:54):
Who didn't like trist Stratus's outfit?

Speaker 2 (01:35:56):
It was very Hollywood esque. Yeah, she was loved it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:01):
Yeah, that outfit is the reason why I have a
thing for women who were suspenders, oh straight up.

Speaker 2 (01:36:06):
But anyway, Yeah, it looked like Christy Hemmy had a
roll up on tris Stratus. I first looked like she
was gonna win it though, but she didn't, you know.
And then as soon as that happens that she ran
into that chick kick from trist Stratus.

Speaker 1 (01:36:18):
Yeah, it kind of came out of nowhere to finish.
But obviously, realistically, you weren't gonna expect Christy Hemmy to win,
even though she was popular because she won the total
she won like the Divasearch contest, and she was on
the cover of Playboy. I remember seeing that Playboard magazine
at the airport like around this time too. Oh you did,
because I went to New York for that trip like
around this time, and yeah, when I was at the airport,

(01:36:39):
yeah I saw that magazine. I didn't buy it, Yeah,
attempted to, but that's another story. Yeah yeah, yeah, Look,
I mean it was kind of like something they threw
together because their hands were tied.

Speaker 2 (01:36:53):
So it was what it was. Yeah, it was whatever,
just like a you know, like I said, not a
whole lot of writing on the map. They're just trying
to get through this match into this next match, which
is arguably the best match of the night and.

Speaker 1 (01:37:09):
Arguably one of the best matches in the history of WrestleMania, and.

Speaker 2 (01:37:13):
At this time this match really broke my heart because
of the finish. But uh yeah, and we're talking about
Shawn Michaels versus Kurt Angle, and this match started at
the Royal Rumble. Kurt Engle gets into the ring, dominating everybody,
and then surprisingly, out of nowhere, he gets eliminated by
Shawn Michaels and an Engle comes back into the ring

(01:37:34):
and eliminates him, And all of this pretty much stems
from personal professional jealousy because at this time, Kurt Engle's
talking about how when he won the Olympic gold medal
in nineteen ninety six, everybody was talking about how Shawn
Michaels stole the show at wrestle Mania twelve that year
in the Iron Man match against Brett Hart, and that

(01:37:54):
ate him up, and you know, you know, it's the
one thing I loved about the matches they did at Mania.
I love how they did these inter promotional matches where
they have a guy from Raw Face the guy from
SmackDown for the first time ever. They make it very
unique and very unique and good for the build up

(01:38:14):
because they.

Speaker 1 (01:38:15):
Kind of like, you know, played more on the whole
brand supremacy thing and every separate things. It was kind
of a treat when you got to see a rod
SmackDown guy to go against each other at this event. Again,
especially with these two with their credentials and their skills,
you were like, yo, take my money right now.

Speaker 2 (01:38:30):
The build up was was great, especially what Kurt Angle
carried it. Because Kurt Angle's literally just like picking a
part at Sean Michael's at his past. He brings, he
beats up Marty, he has a match with Marty Jannetty,
and then worst of all, she gets Sherry.

Speaker 1 (01:38:48):
Yeah, Sherry, Sean's manager, like he does the sad.

Speaker 2 (01:38:51):
Yeah, they get to sing the boy Toys Sexy Boy song.

Speaker 1 (01:38:55):
I said, I mean, look, I said it a few
weeks ago. I told you this as great as the
Sean Michael version of Sexy Boy was, that Sherry version
of it is very underrated.

Speaker 2 (01:39:04):
I don't really care too much about that version. I
love it. God rests her soul, Okay, but it didn't
like whenever time I hear that, it just didn't fit him.
That's why I.

Speaker 1 (01:39:16):
Think he was about was his manager. He was like
switching up his look.

Speaker 2 (01:39:19):
Of course, she was going to sing the song and
it didn't fit him. That's why Sean kind of like
because especially when you watch that documentary, he kind of
like wanted to be a little more edgy and more cool.
I think that's why they did another version. But like, yeah, man,
like that that version no offense to her, God Rest
her soul, but like that version was just not not
it doesn't fit Sean.

Speaker 1 (01:39:40):
I remember Bobby he used to whistle along with it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:43):
He did.

Speaker 1 (01:39:44):
Yeah, like at Summerstan ninety two. You could hear him
like whistling.

Speaker 2 (01:39:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:39:48):
And Yo, that match Angle had with Marty Jeanetty was good.
I mean Angle, but it was a good match. Marty
Jeanetty was gonna get a job, but then he got
in trouble again, so he got fired.

Speaker 2 (01:39:58):
Oh god, they even though Marty Jerry even prior to that,
he was doing a tag team match with sewn on
Raw Resistance.

Speaker 1 (01:40:05):
Yeah, they killed it. That was the night that Jake
the Snake came back.

Speaker 3 (01:40:08):
To for THEA for this time period, totally tell you, man,
But yeah, this is a great match, and oh this
was this is also something new.

Speaker 2 (01:40:21):
Sean Michaels a sporting new ring gear in this match.

Speaker 1 (01:40:25):
Yeah, when the match started, I'm like, yo, is he
gonna take those off?

Speaker 2 (01:40:28):
I thought it was just like, what is he wearing?
I was like, that's usually wear his traditional wrestling tights.
But I found out that the reason why he switched,
because you know he's wearing he was wearing a heavy
knee brace. It was like more support and more room,
which I understand, and it looked good on him. I
ain't gonna lie that wrestling time look good on him.

Speaker 1 (01:40:47):
Hey, yeah, it grew on me over time, and hey,
anything's better than the Survivor Series two thousand and two outfit.
Oh god, Yo, this match was badass on babe.

Speaker 2 (01:40:58):
And or know, you know, so one take out the
one thing I'll take from his match. In the beginning
of this match, you know, we're always used to seeing
Kurt Angle dominate their opponent, Matt Russell, but Sean was
the one who was pretty much had the upper hand
in Matt russelling Kurd Angle.

Speaker 1 (01:41:17):
Oh yeah, in the early going, yes he did. But
then Angle regained the advantage when he Angle slams Sean's
back into the post.

Speaker 2 (01:41:25):
Oh yeah, I was rough man.

Speaker 1 (01:41:30):
And there was just one spot where I think, like
Angle like just clothesline Sean like right.

Speaker 2 (01:41:34):
In the mouth. Mm hmmm yo.

Speaker 1 (01:41:37):
And but then Sean eventually came back, and then Sean
did that springboard moon salt on the Angle like on
the announced table and the table didn't break.

Speaker 2 (01:41:44):
Yeah, that was one of our favorite spots.

Speaker 1 (01:41:47):
That was bad shit, son.

Speaker 2 (01:41:48):
Yeah. Then they crawled back in the ring. Even Kurt
Angle was bleeding from the mouth from that splash too,
Yeah he was.

Speaker 1 (01:41:55):
He was, yeah, roughed up from this, and then they
were but an Angle like attempted the wound salt at
one point and then he missed. Yeah, and then Sean
went to like the top rope, and then Angle caught
him and hit the angle slam in the top.

Speaker 2 (01:42:08):
Row and then he still kicked out.

Speaker 1 (01:42:10):
Yoh. They had crazy spots. And then Angle's getting pissed
off and then he's like yelling in Sean's facing your
days are done, Your days are done. Your finish, You're done,
and then Sean just clocks him with the super kick.

Speaker 2 (01:42:22):
And then one of the things, like, you know, one
of the things I hate about wrestling. They don't do
this anymore right when somebody does their finisher, you know how,
like they're so tired and they're taking her time to
make the pinfall that you're just you're like, hurry up
and pin him and cover him. That's what happened. I
wish they would do more of that. It is to

(01:42:43):
create the suspense in the match. But yeah, man, Sean
was so fatigue that you know, it took him forever
to make that pinfall covered and yeah, Kernan angles still
kicked out.

Speaker 1 (01:42:54):
Yeah, he literally put his hand up at the last second.

Speaker 2 (01:42:57):
Yeah, I think I think that was a bad I
think I was a bad move on the ref because
it was it was a SmackDown ref officiating that match, Kurt.

Speaker 1 (01:43:08):
Yeah, it was a rough spot, but y know, the
Angle ended up getting his hand up. But then as
like Sean trying to get back up, Angle traps him
in the ankle lock. Sean tries to grab the rose
with an Angle like lapses the legs around Sean's Sean
can't grab the rope. Sean's holding on as long as
he can. He's like he's about to tap out multiple times, but.

Speaker 2 (01:43:27):
He didn't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:43:28):
Yeah, and then he held on as long as he could,
but then eventually he had no choice but to tap
out and Kurt Angle won the match.

Speaker 2 (01:43:37):
I was heartbroken, man, because I really, especially with you know,
with the storyline and and everything, I felt like, dude,
Michael's I think it's it's position for Michaels to win
this match, especially what Kurt Angle has been doing to him,
offending him and all that stuff. You know, During this
build up, I was like, yeah, Michael's is gonna win.

(01:43:58):
But then no, surprisingly Kurtin and I think having Angle
to win was Michael's decision because he noticed that because
when I read one of his books, he had mentioned
about how pretty much the majority of the baby Faces
that were going over on the show. Yeah, and he

(01:44:19):
decided that, like, look, we need to do something different.
So he decided to like, look, let's just have Angle
go over.

Speaker 1 (01:44:26):
Yeah, he lost nothing by losing. I mean, I can
understand why you were disappointed being a fan.

Speaker 2 (01:44:31):
But at that time, yeah, I was hardbroke.

Speaker 1 (01:44:33):
I was like, damn it.

Speaker 2 (01:44:33):
I was like, no, no, damn it. But you know,
when I look back and I was whatever though, But
at that time, Kurt I was freaking pro seawn Michaels,
you know what I mean. So he lost the match.
That devastated I was freaking numb to that man.

Speaker 1 (01:44:47):
So yeah, yeah, but incredible match. Both men deserved the
round of the clause for their performance. And it's crazy
they only rehearsed one spot for this match.

Speaker 2 (01:44:56):
Before I heard about that. Yeah, yeah, Angle even.

Speaker 1 (01:45:00):
He said he made more money for this match than
he did for the match in nineteen with Brock the
main event.

Speaker 2 (01:45:04):
Really yeah, that was a championship match.

Speaker 1 (01:45:07):
WrestleMania was more successful at least pay per view by
ray wise. True, Yeah, WrestleMania nineteen was a huge letdown
when it came to buys on pay per view. As
great as that WrestleMania was, it was just like not
a hot time for wrestling. But yeah, incredible match. Even
Bobby and I think said this is the best match
he'd ever seen. Really yeah, And Bobby He's seen a

(01:45:29):
lot in his career, so yeah, for him to say
that at this stage in two thousand and five year old,
that is really saying a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:45:34):
Throw Yeah, but they both get a round of a
same thing with Shawn Michaels and we go to our
next segment and is this one at that time kind
of like lifted my spirits up because I was just
so like God I can't believe Sean lost, but this
one really had a lifted me up. And that one
is Piper's Pit, Pladies and Gentlemen, fresh off of his

(01:45:55):
Hall of Fame induction.

Speaker 1 (01:45:56):
The night before we had Piper's Pitt for the first
time that WrestleManias is WrestleMania five. Yeah, this Piper's Pit
was slightly better than that one, as the guest for
Piper's Pitt would be none other than Stone Cold Steve Austin.

Speaker 2 (01:46:11):
Yes, and this is a very interesting one because Roddy
Roddy Piper's talking about how who's the baddest one of
them all, who's the rebel and all that, and I
hear stone Cold, but to Piper's he's kind of like
a little offended because wait a minute, now, I was
that first guy before Austin came in. I want to
meet this guy. It was funny how he's talking about

(01:46:32):
who's the rebel and then he's like bullshit. I thought
that was funny he said that. So anyway, Austin shows
up and then he's taking about you're the rebel honey
slaps and I was like, whoa. Then Austin slaps him back,
talking about Hey, thanks for having me, having me out here,
son of a bitch, slaps him back, and then talks

(01:46:54):
about how, you know, you know, I was, you know,
pissing Vince McMahon off first. I was here when wressell
Manni didn't have a number and all that, and just
like you, Roddy Piper is a little pretty much laying
down the loss, saying how like I was that first guy.

Speaker 1 (01:47:11):
Yeah, he was one of the godfathers of WrestleMania. Because
people always talk about how big the first WrestleMania was
and how it was built off of Holgan and mister T.
Piper was every bit as important to that first WrestleMania
as they were.

Speaker 2 (01:47:23):
True, very true. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:47:26):
So they're going kind of like back and forth a
little bit until Carlito comes out, and Yo, it's so
chippy seeing how much younger he looked back then compared to.

Speaker 2 (01:47:33):
That, Oh man, carl dude, that's another underrated guy during
that time, Carlito. Very I love Carlito at that time,
very fun. I love his catch phrases and what gets
me pretty much talking about I looked at you two
fighting like little girls. Neither of you two is cool.

(01:47:57):
I love that Sonny.

Speaker 1 (01:47:59):
Yeah, being involved in this segment was what inspired him
to start the Carlito's Combana segments.

Speaker 2 (01:48:04):
Oh I love that show. I was actually actually saw
that live. Oh yeah, I'm sure they have nice peanut
coladas on I bet they do. Oh I do, Oh
yeah they do. But anyway, yes, but anyway, it's funny
Roddy Piper talk about like who the hell are you?

(01:48:25):
And you look like Alfalfa and all that, and get
your ass in his ring and he's pretty much telling
them like, you know, Carli was telling him like, look,
this is his time. Both of you guys leave this ring.
And it's funny how Piper's like, oh, you want me
to follow him? He said, and then he's all like no.

(01:48:46):
I was like, you know what, He's about to split
the apple, and I love how Piper grabbed the apple
and he spat the apple in Carlitle's face, and then
you know, Carlile puts a beat down on Roddy Piper,
and Austin's laughing about this. At first he's laughing, but
then he's like, now it's no more games, and then
he beats him up and then he gives him a stunner.
All is good as well that you know, Piper and

(01:49:07):
Austin celebrating having a beer with each other. But of course,
you know, whenever you're having a beer of Austin, you
know what's gonna happen. You're gonna get stunned. And Austin
gives Roddy Piper to stone cold stunner. So that was
the end of the segment, but very funny segment for
Piper's fit though.

Speaker 1 (01:49:25):
Yeah, it was pretty funny. And yo, I definitely yeah,
I definitely learned and never drink beer with stone Colds
Steve Boston.

Speaker 2 (01:49:31):
Oh, I mean there's really nothing. I mean, there's nothing
to be a shame that can stone.

Speaker 1 (01:49:37):
You gotta watch your settings if you if you're drinking
with him at a bar, it's one thing, but if
you're drinking with him in the ring, you better protect yourself, right. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:49:47):
But anyway, Yeah, it was a fun setting because.

Speaker 1 (01:49:50):
The Hall of Fame the night before. It was also
the first time we had seen Austin on TV in
a while. He'd been gone since like after WrestleMania before,
so it's cool to see him again. And this is
where the show kind of falls off the cliff.

Speaker 2 (01:50:02):
Yeah, so from there, we go to our very first ever,
for the first time in WrestleMania history, a sumo match,
Big Show versus one of the greatest sumo wrestlers apparently
in Japan, Aqui Bono, who's apparently literally like the same
like weight as Big Show over five hundred pounds.

Speaker 1 (01:50:23):
He just has a bigger stomach than Big Show though, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And this match went all of one minute as Aqui
Bona basically made you an easy work of Big Show
knocked them out of the ring to the floor and
that was all she rolled.

Speaker 2 (01:50:38):
Was this like supposed to happen where they're just like,
all right, we're gonna just go at it right No?

Speaker 1 (01:50:46):
Or I'm not sure. I did hear something about this
being punishment for Big Show because he did something and
they were doing this to kind of like embarrass him.
The only people who really hurt really was us for having.

Speaker 2 (01:50:59):
This through this. Uh what was worse that or seeing
Big Show wear that little sumo thong.

Speaker 1 (01:51:08):
I mean I saw him wear that before once when
he teamed Rakishi, so I wasn't like anything surprising, but
oh god, yeah, this was not a good look. And
even Big Show I think set himself that it was
embarrassing to kind of be a part of this, oh understandably.
So yeah, this is why they like got on Big
Show's case for like having like a bad like WrestleMania record.

Speaker 2 (01:51:26):
Have a bad look at. I don't know, man, if
I was, if I was at that show, I probably
would have like just left real quick to you know,
like let me, you know, look for something to eat.
I guess or killed time. But uh yeah, I mean
Ocubona won the matches whatever though, and then we're on
to our next match. And this was for the w

(01:51:47):
W Championship, and this is between jv L and John Zena.
Great build up, but yeah, the match didn't like And
I was really thinking about this, salt what I was
going to say about this match yesterday. Great build up,
great build up, all starts with you know JBL costing

(01:52:09):
John Zena the United States Championship and even blowing up
his custom Spinner US belt and it just went off
from there. Great build up. And then you know, of course,
you know, John Zena put his hands on Theodore Long
and and then you put the rule, hey you can't
strike JBL or you lose your title shot. So it
was a very interesting storyline. But man, the match didn't

(01:52:34):
didn't deliver, and I felt like they were so concerned
about let's just put the belt on him instead of
telling the story in the ring first.

Speaker 1 (01:52:47):
Yeah, and honestly, one of my highlights of this match was.

Speaker 2 (01:52:51):
Yes, thank god, Yes, that's what I was getting ready
to get into. Ladies and gentlemen, how can we not
forget the wrestling God's entrance? See, not only does he
come out and to a limo Kurt, he comes out
with the police, and not only that he has his
own money one hundred dollars Bradshaw's falling down from the

(01:53:12):
ceiling all what an entrance for JV. Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:53:18):
Yeah, it was a great entrance. Yes, and yeah, he
regard thisss of what you thought of the character, of
whether or not you were a fan of his. The
fact is he still held the title for that long
and he went into WrestleMania as the champion.

Speaker 2 (01:53:29):
You never think at that time he will be going
into Wrestleman as the champion like a year prior almost.

Speaker 1 (01:53:35):
Yeah, Like, if you watch WrestleMania twenty and you like
told me that, yo, Bradshaw is going to be the champion,
and one of the main events at WrestleMania next year.
I would have been like, no, that's not gonna happen,
come on now. And then one year later the dudes
in one of the main events defending the championship. And
more than anything, the one thing you can credit jbl
for is that he put John Cena on the map

(01:53:56):
as a main eventor he did just like Guerrero did
for him. That's what he did for Johnson.

Speaker 2 (01:54:02):
Yeah, of course. And then look you think about Russell
Mantonio on this was like the crowning of a new
era because you have your two faces for the future.
Now you have John Zena, you have Batista. Right, this
was that night, but it just wasn't in the way
you hope it will be, because it's just it didn't

(01:54:23):
like delivered. You will think that, you know, especially for
John Zena's case. It's like, you know, a big marquee matchup,
championship match at your biggest event of the year, and
it's kind of like the delivery of the match was
like not what you expected, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:54:39):
Yeah, I mean, ultimately it accomplished what it needed to,
but the match itself, honestly, going into the show I
expected more from and then the match was kind of
just basicsna write home about, but it gave us John
Cena as the new WW champion and it was a
great celebration. He won the match, he like like celebrated
in the audience, like he fell into the crowd while
holding up the belt. And yeah, it was great. It

(01:55:01):
was this was the beginning of John Cena being the
face of the company. All of that could be traced
back to this match and.

Speaker 2 (01:55:07):
That tonight twenty years ago. Cannot believe it's been twenty years.
And then from there, he debuted the Spinner Belt right
after this. I know you're not a fan of it,
but well, well it was actually a couple of weeks
after because the following I remember that the following episode
they were in San Diego. I remember that episode and
he still had the original belt, and then I think
that following week that's when he debuted the Spinder Belt. Yeah,

(01:55:30):
but yeah, just a great Yeah, it was a great
moment for Xena. But but but then again, you know,
just the match was disappointing, but it is what it is.
And onto our next match. But before that next match,
we had the inductees, We had Hall of Faming inductees
that came out to the stage, which was a great
It was kind of funny seeing Cowboy Bob Wharton show

(01:55:52):
up and he's hurt. He's like, oh yeah, I heard,
but he's heard from that that boot that he took
from the Undertaker earlier that night at the That was
kind of funny. He was still selling. That's good on
him though.

Speaker 1 (01:56:04):
Yeah, they had all the dibus come out in a company. Yeah,
Joy Giovanni if you remember her, she accompanied Jimmy Hart
and then yeah, I think Maria Kanellis accompanied Cowboy Bob
out and then Stacy Keeper came out with Holgan. Yeah,
it was cool to see all of them get and recognized. Yeah,
it was a nice such the evening. But then on
to the main events.

Speaker 2 (01:56:25):
Yes, ladies and gentlemen, and this build up, Oh my god.
I don't know. If I had to choose between both
those championship matches, which match was kind of like better,
I had to say this one.

Speaker 1 (01:56:37):
Yeah, I'd say so too. Yeah, this is the best
build ups to any WrestleMania match period this.

Speaker 2 (01:56:42):
Yeah, and it was a slow build. It was a
slow build, but it took its time and it was
so perfect and that ladies and gentlemen, is Triple H
versus Batista for the World Heavyweight Championship. And man, this
whole build up was pretty much started since like late
two thousand and four, and you really think about it.

Speaker 1 (01:57:03):
Yeah, they were teasing the dissension between the two of
them a few times. There was this one segment on
Raw where like they acted that they were going to
go at it, but then there was like all the swerve.
But then right after that, like in the months going on,
they were like really teasing issues between them were like
I think Bautista won like a beat the clock match,
like in record time over Triple H for the Elimination Chamber,

(01:57:24):
and Triple H got mad at and they got in
the space and there was this one time where like
I think Bautista like, oh, Triple H money, and then
Batista's like, yo, I'm gonna pay you back later, and
then tack.

Speaker 2 (01:57:39):
Even was like no, I got it, Like no, I
don't want his money yours. I was like, oh my god,
I remember that.

Speaker 1 (01:57:46):
But the real, but the real bad one, like the
real one that stood out was Elimination Chamber when Randy
Orton hit Batista with the r KO and Triple H.
Instead of saving Batista, he just laid there and watched
him get pinned.

Speaker 2 (01:57:58):
Yeah, I remember that. I remember how that the following
night they show footage of that and I was like,
whoa oh.

Speaker 1 (01:58:05):
And then Batista wins the World Rumble and then Triple
trying to convince him to go after Jbo's title. He
even had this one night on Raw where like somebody
driving Jbo's limo tried to run down Batista but it
wasn't really ja.

Speaker 2 (01:58:18):
Yeah, and he was all doing that, tried a lot
of fire under it, and then you know, Batista hears
all of it, and this is the night where he
makes this yeah, because remember they're talking and then Batista's
outside of the locker room. He hears everything, and this
is the night where he's going to make his decision
on what he's gonna do. Either he's going to stay
on Raw or he's gonna go to SmackDown. And even

(01:58:41):
Eric Bischoff prior that, was trying to convince Batista to stay.
Of course, he was, yeah, of course. You know, this
is when Eric Bischoff was kind of pretty cool at
the time. This is when when Eric Bischoff wasn't a
jerk GM. So when you have a whole beard, remember
that you had a beard.

Speaker 1 (01:58:57):
Yeah, he had the plant hair. I guess when Eugene
shaved off his head shape off the shitty personality.

Speaker 2 (01:59:04):
Anyway. So yeah, so they had the decision. Teddy Long's there,
Eric Bischoff's there, and you know, triple' is trying to,
you know, convince again Batista to go to SmackDown on
how you know, we could be the most dominant force
ever if you go and win the ww title. I'm
still the world heavyweight champion. And and then Batista's kind

(01:59:26):
of like, you know what I'm You're kind of right,
I'm gonna go to SmackDown. He makes his decision and
Eric Bischoff is his I don't know if you remember that,
but Eric Bischoff's like, damn it. He's slamming his hand
onto the onto the table, and it looked like it's official.

Speaker 1 (01:59:40):
Guys.

Speaker 2 (01:59:40):
Batista's going to smack down, but gives him the thumbs
up to Triple H and Rick Flair, and then he
goes the thumbs down just like Triple H did and
Randy Orton a year ago. Perfect and it just the
whole the crowd reaction was just perfect. Oh my god,
that reaction from the crowd was perfect, man. And then

(02:00:03):
he attacks Triple H and brick Flair and then he
Battista bombs Triple H onto the table and he tells
him that you know, I'm staring on raw and that
Russell manie, I'm taking the world title from you, and
it just it went off from there. It kept getting
bigger and bigger from that. The build up, Yeah, it.

Speaker 1 (02:00:20):
Was a great slow time for this. And yeah, that
one segment on Brow with a contract signing when Batista
did the thumbs down and sold Triple H, I'm coming
for your title and put him through the table.

Speaker 2 (02:00:30):
It was gold yes, gold Man.

Speaker 1 (02:00:33):
And then we finally get to this match. Triple H
comes out.

Speaker 2 (02:00:37):
With Motorhead for a second time.

Speaker 1 (02:00:38):
Ye loved it.

Speaker 2 (02:00:40):
The first one was better. The first one was better, though,
But you gotta understand, Motorhead is older at this time,
you know what I mean. And I think they were
touring at the time if I remember, because they're on
one on the DVD extra though, But I think they
were torn at the time. But still though it's always
great to see them perform. It's always great to see
a Russell Many live performance. I love life performance. This
is at WrestleMania. So anyway, you know, Triple H walks

(02:01:03):
out to the room with Motorhead, Great Batista comes out
and it's like a it's a stalemate between these two
tests there testing each other's strength. It was a decent match.
It was okay better, it was a look. It was
a better match than jbl and John Zena.

Speaker 1 (02:01:23):
They had a better story going into it, for one.
And it's so funny about this match. Apparently they wanted
to have the first match between them like on Raw,
like on a random run.

Speaker 2 (02:01:31):
I heard about that, and Triple H literally was like, no,
putting his foot down. And this is what I applought
about Triple Ah. This is one of the stuff that
helps him out now. This is why he's a good
leader now because of stuff like this. He's like, no,
we're not having a match on TV. We're gonna have
the match on the pay per view for the first

(02:01:51):
time ever.

Speaker 1 (02:01:52):
And one thing I did like about this is pretty
much the tail end of like the Triple H Reign
of Terror era.

Speaker 2 (02:01:57):
Yeah, yeah about that, Yeah, the turning point of this match.
So Triple H was pretty much kind of like dominating,
you know, half the match, and then once they get
outside of the ring, looks like Triple H was about
to look like he's about the pedigree him onto the
still steps, but then Bautista counters it and he literally
sling shots him into the still posts and then batist

(02:02:18):
in Triple H just busted open. He's bleeding and then
just Bautista literally just dominates from from there. Even Flair
gets involved. He gets a spinebuster from Bautista, and when
Batista's about the Batista b on Triple A, Triple H
low blows him. Then he tried to goes for the
pedigree and then he counters that. And then after that,

(02:02:39):
this is the first time we see Bautista do the
whole like he did that Ultimate Warrior style, like yeah,
you know, he's shaking the ropes for the first time.
Then he does the thumbs down again and then he
lips him up for the Batista bomb, and that was it.
We have a new World heavyweight Champion.

Speaker 1 (02:02:57):
Yeah, Batista got the job done. After that, right builded
it for this match and the Mata Batista got annointed
as the new face of the company or one of
the faces of the company along with Tina and Batista
won the title, got the Pyro, got the big cellar pro.

Speaker 2 (02:03:11):
I love that Pyros. I love that whole Pyros set
that they did. They had from the top. I love
that that was very iconic because one of like when
you show a highlight roll of Batista, they show that and.

Speaker 1 (02:03:26):
Look like I said, neither this match nor the JBL
and Sena match with the best matches on the show
by any stretch, but they both were significant for what
they accomplished. It as they anointed both John Cena and
Batista as the new faces of the company. Yes, because
after Austin and Rock left, they were kind of like
in a flux, they didn't really have like those new
like faces they could like really center the company around.

(02:03:48):
I mean, they had brock Lesnar, but that ended up
not working out thought and black Lester ended up leaving.
But with John Cena and Batista, they now officially had
that and I definitely could feel like a positive different
in ww and like the direction of the company from
them being anointed at the guys and everything that would
happen after this WrestleMania.

Speaker 2 (02:04:07):
You know what, Kurt, I look back two thousand and
five was one of my favorite years of WWE Mine
too yeah to in my top ten. I loved it.
It was the changing of the guard, especially at this event.
This is theft, the perfect place, in perfect setting to
do it at. You crown your new phases of the company,
John Zena and Batista. Great event overall, and this was

(02:04:31):
actually at this time before last year's WrestleMania curred. At
this time, Wressellmania twenty one was the last time were
both world championships change hands in the same night.

Speaker 1 (02:04:41):
Yep, last time at a WrestleMania. And it's so funny.
Speaking of the Rock, this is the first WrestleMania since
the Rock debut that he was not a part of.

Speaker 2 (02:04:50):
I heard a rumor. I remember I was listening to
Bruce Pritchard's podcast, like a long time ago. There was
like a rumor they were trying to get the Rock
involved for that Somnia, but it didn't work out because
you know, they were in LA and you know, so
that's why.

Speaker 1 (02:05:04):
This is also around the time the Be Cool movie
came out where he played the gay dude.

Speaker 2 (02:05:09):
I never seen that movie. I saw that, so they
I know Vince Vaughn's in that movie too though, but yeah,
I never watched it.

Speaker 1 (02:05:16):
Yeah, it's the sequel to Get Shorty.

Speaker 2 (02:05:18):
Oh really that's what it's supposed to be. The yeah,
Let's get you know that interesting.

Speaker 1 (02:05:23):
Yeah, but apparently Vince was like not happy with the
Rock playing that character and the really yeah apparently, so wow,
I didn't know that, and that dumb ass John Laurnais
like let the Rocks contract expire without like even trying
to resign him or renew him or anything.

Speaker 2 (02:05:41):
Really yeah wow, But it is what it is.

Speaker 1 (02:05:44):
I mean yeah, even though the Rock wasn't there and
like Austin was pretty much retired by this point, it
was still a great WrestleMania and it's still was like
a way of like, you know, moving into the future
as opposed to living in the past. Although they had
a lot of like old school people on the show.

Speaker 2 (02:05:58):
Like oh yeah Paper, Yeah, yeah, I love that too.
I love the involvement of Cowboy Bob Orton and Piper
and all them, and yeah, man, it was I just
I love the whole pageantry in the spectacle of that event.
It was just so just I love the whole Hollywood team.
That is why when Russell Maania thirty nine was coming up.
I was so excited because it just it brought me

(02:06:19):
back to this moment twenty years ago, and I loved
everything about this event.

Speaker 1 (02:06:27):
Yeah, it was a fun show. I remember, like, yeah,
I told you earlier, I almost wasn't gonna watch it,
but then at the last minute I ended up watching it,
and yeah, it was great. I had a lot of
fun watching this WrestleMania. I watched it religiously afterwards because
I taped it. Funny enough, this is like my last
full year of like being a wrestling fan for that era,
because I remember, like I stopped watching after WrestleMania the

(02:06:47):
next year. But yeah, this WrestleMania was definitely a fun,
fun time, a great show from top to bottom. I mean, look,
the main events weren't the greatest matches per se, but
the fact that Senia and Batista won the title for
the first time, that we're annointed as the new faces
of the company were.

Speaker 2 (02:07:03):
Afraid about it.

Speaker 1 (02:07:04):
Yes, And I'll say this, I'll compare it to WrestleMania
twenty in the sense that WrestleMania twenty had a mediocre
undercard but great main events, and then WrestleMania twenty one
had mediocre main events, but a really great, really strong undercard.

Speaker 2 (02:07:21):
Hmm.

Speaker 1 (02:07:22):
Yeah, so that's what the comparison I'll make between the two.
But still an incredible WrestleMania. A lot of people consider
this like in their top ten. I would say so too.
It's really hard, but I could definitely rank this my
top ten.

Speaker 2 (02:07:33):
Same if out of top ten, it goes on there.
And it's funny. You know. I want to talk about
spectacle and pageantry because this upcoming Friday, you're gonna talk
about wrestle Mania nine.

Speaker 1 (02:07:45):
Oh yeah, the documentary is dropping Friday.

Speaker 2 (02:07:47):
They're gonna talk about that first time the whole spectacle
im pageantry thing came about, and I'm very interested in
how they're going to talk about that because look, they're
in Vegas at the time, and they're all doing the
whole Casar Caesar's Palace theme, and I'm very intrigued to
watch that this Friday.

Speaker 1 (02:08:03):
Yo, since it's WrestleMania in Vegas this year, you know
who should make a cameo? Ooh the Hangover Crew? Oh lord, Yo,
that would be great.

Speaker 4 (02:08:12):
They have like a segment backstage yo with the APA.
They could have like some segments with the APA, the
like slip roofies in the JPL's whiskey God oh shit,
all right, but anyway, yeah, I was great. I'm discussing
WrestleMania twenty one. Definitely a memorable time for me personally.

(02:08:35):
Definitely a memorable time in WW as a whole. And yeah,
this is exactly what they needed. They needed that changing
of the guard and like you know, that stepped into
the future and this is exactly what this WrestleMania was.

Speaker 2 (02:08:45):
Would you think there's been like a recent change in
of the guard? Would last year be similar?

Speaker 1 (02:08:51):
I would say in a way. WrestleMania thirty eight was
thirty eight with the return of Cody Oh oh okay,
Yacabella was like really long title reign starting. Okay, It's
like the bloodline was really running strong, and like after
that they like really went on a tear and like
after that they had like Sammy Zane joined them and
all that. It's like, ok we started to get hot.

(02:09:12):
So yeah, WrestleMania thirty eight was like another one I
would throw in there as far as you know, became.

Speaker 2 (02:09:17):
A new era.

Speaker 1 (02:09:18):
Hmm interesting, Okay, none enough good things I could say
about this. WrestleMania definitely a classic.

Speaker 2 (02:09:25):
Or two thousand and five, Go Back. You know what's
another good movie I forget you know, it's another good
movie forgot to mention from that year Hitch Hitch.

Speaker 1 (02:09:31):
Yes, it came out right before this year. I came
out like a month or so before this WrestleMania. Oh okay,
And that one thing song was really hot at the time,
that song.

Speaker 2 (02:09:39):
From a Marie Oh yeah, that one.

Speaker 1 (02:09:41):
That's probably your biggest hit. And it's so funny for
a hitch. A lot of people say the movie should
have ended with like that one scene where she tries
to confront him and then she's like says, I'm sorry
I heard you, and then he says you didn't and
then he just like walks away.

Speaker 2 (02:09:55):
Ah. No, you need a happy ending in that movie.

Speaker 1 (02:09:58):
Yeah, I get it. But like a lot of people,
I guess the way like she acted in the way
like she treated him like a true I know.

Speaker 2 (02:10:04):
I agree that was messed up though, but hey.

Speaker 1 (02:10:06):
I was just happy that Kevin James got with his girl.

Speaker 2 (02:10:09):
That was a whole point. Yeah, that was the whole point.
It wasn't about Will Smith. It was all about Kevin
James trying to get the girl that he wanted. So yeah,
Like and at the end of the day, as far
as that character goes, it's like, yo, he's just literally
giving dudes dating advice, thank you.

Speaker 1 (02:10:23):
He's not teaching them to like hook up with girls
and they never talked to them again. He's just teaching
guys who like really like legit like a girl, you know,
how to get the girl to notice him.

Speaker 2 (02:10:30):
And how in the hurt that he went through he
kind of like, look, I'm just I'm not gonna I'm
gonna use.

Speaker 1 (02:10:36):
Something to help people. Oh man, that was such a
hard scene to watch when like he like catches his
girl making out with this other dude like in the
car and the rain shit. Oh man, yo, but he
looked out even man, this was way better than her.

Speaker 2 (02:10:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:10:50):
Right, but that's another story. But yes, uh for next month,
for May, I'm thinking about maybe we do Judgment Day
two thousand and two.

Speaker 2 (02:10:59):
I thought gonna say maybe. I thought I thought you
was gonna say two thousand though, but I'm okay of
O two. Maybe because we kind of.

Speaker 1 (02:11:04):
Talked about two thousand already with Army Gedding, so I
think we talk about like oh and also it was
technically the first wwe pay per view.

Speaker 2 (02:11:12):
If you think that is true. Oh my, that that
is very true. You have a good point, very true.

Speaker 1 (02:11:17):
That was also a fun time for me too. That
was my freshman year of high school. You know, that
was a great year.

Speaker 2 (02:11:22):
Shit, I was in the fifth grade.

Speaker 1 (02:11:26):
Damn, I was a freshman in high school. That was
the year I've met like a lot of my best friends.

Speaker 2 (02:11:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:11:31):
It was like my real like coming out year in
a sense. Yeah, not not that kind of coming out,
but you get what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (02:11:38):
I know, I know what you're saying. I know.

Speaker 1 (02:11:39):
Yeah, all right, but yeah, so we have next week. Yeah,
so next week we have our WrestleMania forty one prediction show.

Speaker 2 (02:11:46):
Yes, the biggest one that it's always the biggest prediction
show of all year when it comes to this, that's
the biggest one. So I can't wait.

Speaker 1 (02:11:52):
Yeah, it's gonna be lit. We have probably like thirteen
or fourteen natural.

Speaker 2 (02:11:55):
To predict from what we Yeah, yeah, potentially maybe eight
for Night one and seven for Night too, I believe.

Speaker 1 (02:12:03):
Yeah, we'll see how it goes. I'm actually gonna watch
WrestleMania at a bar in the city.

Speaker 2 (02:12:08):
They've been having some watch parties available here in Vegas.
I think I'm gonna have a watch party at the
Palms when I was driving around.

Speaker 1 (02:12:14):
From what I heard, Yeah, they're gonna have full audio
and everything. It looks like it'll be fun. I watch
an aw show at that same bar, like when I
first moved here in September.

Speaker 2 (02:12:21):
I'm just gonna I'm just gonna stay at home. My
my brother is gonna go. I'm like, damn it, I
want to go, but it's like, yeah, yeah, but it's
just it's too it's it's just it's too damn expensive.
So I'm just gonna stay home and watch it. So
just to go to a bar, no, no, no, no,
no no, my brother's going to he's going to WrestleMania.

Speaker 1 (02:12:41):
No, but I'm saying just to go to a bar
and watch, like go to that Palms bar, Like that'd
be fun.

Speaker 2 (02:12:45):
That's whatever. Now I'm just gonna stay home. It's better.

Speaker 1 (02:12:47):
I mean, I could just yeah, to be honest, I'm
getting tired of watching him alone, like at home and
all that. Like it's still great that it's WrestleMania, but
I'm kind of getting tired of just watching it. So
I kind of want to be around some wrestling fan,
maybe possibly network too. Get the name of the show
out there and all that. So yeah, it'd be a
good vibe. Get old drunk soon. I gotta eat before thocals.

(02:13:09):
Those places usually lack vegan options. Really, yeah, I don't
think I can probably eat a chips and saucer.

Speaker 2 (02:13:17):
All right, ladies and gentlemen, you got anything else before
we jet off? Not?

Speaker 1 (02:13:22):
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this is Conscious Kurt with another edition of the Class
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(02:13:43):
be an assholed in real life or social media, because
that taxing bullshit.

Speaker 2 (02:13:48):
Is for the birds and ladies and gentlemen. As I
always say, stay safe, stay blessed, and always stay adventurous.

Speaker 1 (02:13:56):
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