May 18, 2024 • 51 mins
PLD is off so it's up to Matty & Jarvi to put up these two sports movies up against each other in 5 custom made categories! Which one comes out on top?
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The following is brought to you bythe p l D Projects Network. It's
me, it's me, It's pl D. It's me, it's me.
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It's Matty g okay, and I'mRichard and this is class action,
the classiest movie show on the interwebs. How easy was that to see how
it goes? Yeah, that's howit goes, dude. How are you
doing? Man? Doing good?We met up? We met up.
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Damn it, you killed the joke. Ah. I was gonna say,
it's been a while since last week, but as Joe, we just noticed
he came. He was in Londonthe other day. We went up in
notting Hill, went for some cassadillas. And now it sounds like I'm from
London. He shout, like,you're from London. Yeah, we went.
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We went to see the Harry PotterPlatform nine and three quarters. Yeah,
where we went to see platform nineto three quarters. There was a
massive queue to take a photo witha sign where Maddy. When we went
inside the store, Maddy was yellingout loud nerds for everyone in the store.
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Seriously. I was like, okay, well this is probably they were
going to throw us in a fewminutes, but they didn't they didn't.
It was just the irony that Iwas yelling out nerds when I spent the
weekend before at a Star Wars fanconvention with a bunch of nerds. But
that's fine. Nerds run the worldapparently, and that's yeah. But yeah,
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it's been a minute since I've beenon Class Action. Shout out to
you and Paul for last episode holdingDown the Fort. That was the one
episode I fucking gutted I had tomiss the right movie one in my opinion,
my my proxy vote, my proxyboat. You know, I swung
the tide as it should have been, but one though, it was very
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close. I even said to youthe other day, well, yeah,
the other day when we were hangingout that some of your points, while
they were very well put, Ithink at the time I would have taken
severe umbridge with But we're not herefor that. We're here today to talk
about two We have two Europeans onthe show. No pod unfortunately, you
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know, he's got real life shipto do. But we got two Europeans
talking about two movies about two Americansports franchises. Yeah, that's that's pretty
crazy, though we're not sure,Well, we're going to do a good
job. But we're not like,yeah, we're not an American, so
we're going to just we're just goingto talk shit. Did you ever play
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rounders at school? Was that athing in Estonia? Round explained the game.
It's essentially just baseball, but witha smaller like one held Wooden wouldn't
back it sounds like cricket. No, cricket is like you have the longer
bat and you hold it like thatround as you literally have one as a
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one handed bat about that long.It's essentially baseball and you just whack it
and then run around the field toget back to where you started. Essentially
baseball, just with a one handedbat. Oh, never done that sounds
it sounds like something you could beatsomeone upward ulf No, I'm just saying
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me, no comment, no comment. I may may not. I've got
a atention for that. The guythrough the ball and it hit me in
the nose. He had it comingshout to William Harold in the chat,
Kelly always out. We took toit ubridge with umbridge. Is that a
very British word. I've never heardumbrage. It just basically means you were
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wrong and they held you to accountfor it. It sounds like Umbradge,
like from Harry Potter. Oh youhave never that's probably where That's probably where
the character got the name from.But yeah, today is a very big
one because, as I said,two Europeans discussing two American sports movies.
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We're doing Moneyball versus Air. Javi, I hate to ask you this because
since we're covering them both on theshow today, have you seen Air?
And what did you think? Pleasetell me you see? Yeah, yeah,
of course, of course I see. It was a couple of weeks
ago now, and Air is mynumber one movie of twenty twenty three so
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far. Yeah, wow, Dungeons, Dungeons and Dragons had the number one
spot a week later he got bumpedby Air. I still I still need
to see that. So wait,where's uh, it's it's not not on
the moving on wim hear and chat. You guys are going to talk about
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the Michelle Young movies just announced foran hour right, No, because I
have no idea what movie was justannounced. I have been working, and
I'm sure Javi has been recovering fromhis his vacation. Damn it, I
woke up thinking about those things.I was like, oh, oh,
take me back. I was likeone of those Jack's hashtag take me back?
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Yeah, what were on? Yeah? I thought Air was well,
so much more than I was expecting. Initially. I thought I was just
going in for, you know,a fun, corporate level movie that's gonna
have like awesome Matt Damon and awesomeBen effect. They're gonna be riffing,
They're gonna be enjoying themselves. Itdid deliver on all of that, but
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I did not expect how much deeperthe movie goes. And there were some
like amazing speeches, like three speechesthat made this the number one movie of
the year so far. It wasfrom Jason Bateman, Viola Davis, and
Matt Damon. They all had threebig speeches in that movie which were which
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were just so much fun. AndI mean the music We'll get into that
when we talk about it in thecategory. But Airs some fucking bangers,
Yes, yes, yes, yes. My overall thoughts were, I like
this trend that we seem to begetting. It's been slowly building over the
last few years with the social network, just the jobs now with Air,
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in that you have these movies thattalk about successful brands and successful companies and
the legacy that they have built.This one specifically, it's not about Nike
as a brand. It's about theJordan which iron three pairs of Jordan's,
like that is a staple of likefootwear and like the whole sneaker culture.
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I would love for there to belike a movie about the about sneaker culture
and like you know, buying,buying like vintage shoes. I feel like
the Jordans were like the ones thatreally spark that off. So it's kind
of like its own little like it'sown little genre in a way. Well
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for sure, form I actually Ireally like it. I really really really
like it. Do you is thata movie? Do you think this movie
will get some well in the Oscarsrace for next year. I don't think
so, because I feel like,no, no, I don't. I
would like to because I think Iwould like to see Viola Davis walk away
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with something and she was just Ithink she was so integral to this part
of the movie, and we're goingto come into that. I'm going to
bring up a point in that vein. I feel like, if there is
one person in this movie that shouldbe up for something, it should be
Via the Davis. Yeah, sheshe brought the spirit of Michael Jordan,
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who will spoiler Michael Jordan isn't inthe movie as a face. He's just
the boys. No, they BenAffleck set out not to because he's he's
a legendary athlete that should I feellike, shouldn't be recast. You could
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the agent do it, do himlike that, But I don't know,
the fact that we didn't get tosee his face I think made his legend
even more sort of menacing, orthe presence of him you felt like,
oh shit, he's in the roomright now. But Viola Davies was the
spirit of that legend, so sheshe pretty much carried what she had to
do and who Michael Jordan was aswell. And there there were a whole
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lot of is there were a wholelot of like licensing things around this movie.
I was watching There's a show andComplex where they take like actors and
athletes and celebrities, they take himsneaker shopping, and it was Matt Damon,
Ben Affleck and Chris Tucker and theywere saying they were there's so much
that like they couldn't promote the shoearound the movie, like they couldn't do
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like a signature Jordan line for themovie. They couldn't like monetize off of
the shoe. It was like reallyweird, like they could use it,
but like only in certain ways,and there was a whole, a whole
bunch of stuff around it. Soyeah, I'm a I'm all for more
of these. But let's get intoour first game. We've we've been playmbling
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somewhat for for ten minutes here.So with Pod not here, we decided
we're going to do an Ed Harrisrecasting because he's not here so we can
do whatever we want. Yeah,I mean we usually do wheel now,
but this is POD's game and we'rejust rubbing it in his face because he's
not here. I mean, whythe hell not? Yeah, and you
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could. And the reason why weeven started doing Ed Harris is because,
spoilers, POD's favorite actor. Andhow does he say it? Always he's
the best, the best character,he's the best character. He elevates the
movie. He's always had a movie. He makes the great movie perfect,
a good movie great, a badmovie watchable. Yeah yeah, yeady,
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yeady. Yeah, So now whatare we gonna do it? We're going
to recast Ed Harris or put EdHarris into a role. So we either
take someone out of the movie andput ed Harris in, or we come
up with our own role for EdHarris to play. I'm not gonna put
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that on screen, just no.I think that's hilarious, but for obvious
reasons, I'm not gonna touch thatfor the fucking tempt goal. But job,
you said you had one for Moneyball, so I'm gonna let it go
first. So fair warning. Wedecided right before the show to do Ed
Harry. We're going to complete Yeah, pretty off the cuff, but there's
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there's loads of choices here, andI feel like, I think Ed Harris.
I think Ed Harris would have beenso great the head of the scouts
that sit at the table, theold timers. There's a guy like Ken
Medlock who plays Grady Feuson. Yeah, he's like the you know, the
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leader of the packcourt at the tableand you got to listen to us.
Put Ed Harry says one of thosecharacters. I mean, he's way scarier,
way more scary. I would love. This is a complete comedy casting,
so probably wouldn't even fit the role, but we wun't even fit the
movie. I would love for themto like put a little bit of makeup
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on it Harris, make him looklike a little bit younger, and have
him as like some old veteran player. Oh yeah, that was like on
the retiree circuit or somewhat something,or like I was just about to retire,
but they were like, no,let's let's get him back for one
more season. Like he's still gota little bit of spark left in him.
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We can pull him back for oneseason and give him like that real
underdog story. So I would havehad Ed Harris as like some like like
like Kevin Costner from For Love ofthe Game, like yeah, picture someone,
Yeah, yeah, something like that. That would be. That would
be what I would put Ed Harrison, and like I would change the story
and that they win the final game, but it's like Ed Harris that wins
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it for him. Well that's that'sfor Love of the Game. You're pretty
much retailing for Love of the Game. Yeah, pretty much. When when
you were saying, yeah that youwant to put makeup on Ed Harris,
I thought you were going to gowith Billy Beans's daughter, Casey Bean.
I you said Ed Harris would makeup immediately where I went Ed Harris singing
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at the end, Yeah, reallyguitar. Okay, where are you putting
him in an there's an obvious choicewhere Ed Harrison air. I would have
him as the Christmasina character. Imean he's constantly on the phone, he's
yelling, he's anxious, he's arrogant. I mean just the phone slam you
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know, Ed Harry says, downthat down and yeah. I mean it's
an easy one for me, easyone. As the Ed Harris is David
Fox just slamming the phone down becausehe's up there and they're down here.
I would and we phoned the wronggoddamn room. He wants to speak to
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Michael, but Michael's in like theoffice upstairs, and he's like, no,
he's up there, you're down there. You call the wrong goddamn border.
Yeah. I would go with PeterMoore, the guy who designed the
shoe, so something about like EdHarris just in a basement obsessing over basketball
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shoes. Peel would be having afit. You're you're, you're, you're
putting it. Harry's down in thebasement. Hey, if he makes if
he makes bad movies watchable, heshould be able to do anything right.
He should light up the basement.He should, Yeah, he should light
up that basement. But something abouthim just like being like this odd,
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weird, quirky dude. That's likeyeah, and then Ben Affleck just walks
up to me and goes, Ineed the greatest basketball shoe ever made.
And then Harrih's just being like done. I feel like he could. I
feel like he could do it.Dorky at Harris. I'd like to see
that Darky at Harris. I don'tthink he's ever played darky, though you
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probably do it. I would besurprised if he hasn't. But like,
that's that's a man's man. I'msure has like nineteen thirty seven there come
up. He'd probably come up withsome robbery played. But yeah, that
is our casting. We've got afew in the few in the chat.
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I'm not going to touch that one. How. I like that. I
like that Ed Harris is Jerry SloaneOkay, Oh yeah, Sloan was the
first balls player to have his jerseyretired. Oh cool, mm hmm.
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Yeah, there's I think there's loadsof robles you can put out of Harrison.
I mean, he is the mosthe's the greatest character act of all
time. So yeah, these moviesseem like they're very well made for him,
Ed Harrison, So it's is MichaelJordan with Ed Harrison's voice than the
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previous one. Okay, yeah,yeah, yeah yeah, but okay,
Jarvi, actually, before we do, if this is your first time watching
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appreciate it. But Javi, forthose of you who have never seen an
episode of Class Action, what isit? Well, class Action is a
show where we take two movies,actors, franchises, we put them up
against each other and with custom madecategories we decide which movie, person franchise
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is the winner. Now we saycustom made categories. Now having done this
show for like thirty episodes, nowwith the new iteration, these categories are
pretty much becoming, you know,pre set categories, which I think is
actually a damn good idea. Ithink movies should all be on a level
playing field. So the ones thatwe have, we kind of switch out
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the last two, but main themain three ones are usually the same,
and for this instance, we havebetter lead. So we're putting Brad Pitt
against Matt Damon. We got bettersupporting cast, we got all the supporting
cast against the supporting cast. Whichmovie has the better story, which movie
has the better music, and whichhas better legacy? So this is going
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to be an interesting one. Wedon't well, we're going to speculate the
shit out of it because we gotno idea how it's going to fare against
time. To explain the legacy category, it's one that I came up with.
It's which of these movies we're stillgoing to be talking about in ten
years time, which one do wethink is going to have the blungevy overall?
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So that's it's kind of a mixof rewatchability and I guess by your
cell if you guys have watched Ama, they have their category of by or
sell. It's kind of a mixof that and rewatchability. So it's a
new category. We're gonna give ita go. We're gonna give it a
shot. But Jabi, why don'tyou tell us what is our first category
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for this week? Okay? Sofirst one is better lead. We're putting
Brad Pitt against mer Duermon. Andthen this, I mean, before we
get into this, all of thecategories, all the decisions are like they're
so close for me, they're alsodamn close. So whichever way I'm going,
I just want you to know Ilove both movies and this is purting
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me. Yeah, this is agreat movie. And we've we've already got
like a kind of snap judgment inthe chat the great Mike Deacon from What
the Show People gonna remember air becauseof the content? Mmm, what do
you mean because of the content?Because of this show? Oh? This
show? Yeah, because of classaction We're content. And another one from
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Chris though, I think money willbeats out in every category, every category,
every huh. Okay, Okay,let's get into it. Do you
want me to start or do youwant to go first? You go ahead,
you start off this one for me. I gotta go, Damon,
I go. I gotta go.Matt Damon, I think he I think
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you put in a more impassioned performancethan Brad Pitt. I feel like some
points Brad Pitt was just they're beingBrad Pitt. If it makes sense,
He's there to like be broody andcool and edgy. But that's that's Brad
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Pitt, like in every movie,like he's just Brad Pitt is one of
those guys. He can play himselfand you're like, wow, that was
amazing, because Brad Pitt is amazing. Matt Damon in this goes from down
in the dumps, like miserable ofhis life, creates that this brand like
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he's all in on it. There'sthat sense of desperation in there, and
I think that comes across in thismovie because it's his and Afflecks first movie
with their production company, So inthat sense, this movie kind of mirrors
their real life situation. And Ithink that led Damon to be more like
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to put more into it because itwas sort of relating to him. I
don't I don't know about Brad Pitt'spersonal life. I don't know if he
is an no ocalan athletics fan,but it just seemed to me that there
was more like, I don't wantto say that he finds more passion,
there was more passion into his performance. Then then I got from Brad Pitt,
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Yeah, I completely know what youmean, but I think this is
this is pretty easily Brad Pitt's categoryand your reasons, your reasons. I
think I think Matt Damon plays agreat sonny of a car. I think
you're spot on. He's passionate.I mean, he hits all the beads.
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He delivers a really solid performance,but I could see him being switched
out by another actor. Now withPitt, I think Brad Pitt is,
like we talked about the cruisiest cruise. Brad Pitt is the pitiest pit in
this movie that we've ever seen him. But I think the same pit but
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it really works well in this movie. I think he's performed like the way
he is the kind of arrogant,sort of has that know it all like
feeling about him. He has towardsthe players, kind of like he doesn't
want to get involved in their personallives. So yeah, it's it's much
it's a much more subtle performance.But I think like because there's there's they
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have pretty similar struggles. Matt Damonhas his family struggles, Brad Pitt has
his family struggles as well, butI think he does it with more nuance,
with more sort of tenderness and subtlety. And I think I can't really
recast Brad Pitt with anyone else.I think he's You're completely right, he
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does the Brad Pitt thing. ButI think it's the best Brad Pitt that
Brad Pitt has done. If thatmakes it, wow, it's just it's
just it, no, no,the best Brad Pitt. Oh, Brad
Pitt does. So you got Okay, So it's it's the best version of
himself exactly exactly. Yeah, ButI think for this character and for this
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movie, it's it's just spot on. It's superb. So because of that
recast factor and the fact that Ican't think of anyone as Brad Pitt as
Bill Bean, gotta go with,I gotta go with Mindy Ball, Krista
and the chass name, Brad Pittworks sixty percent every time. Okay,
absolutely Okay, that's that's fair.I will remember every time I put my
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shoes on nice you know, fellaNike guy, William Arata like that,
Mike Deacon. These are boyth phenomenalmovies. You are not wrong. You
are not wrong. My friend KellyPiteous Pit put that on a T shirt?
What about what about prettiest Pit becausehe's a pretty guy. I think
we can change it's the prettiest pit. Pretty piteous sounds kind of like dirtier
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for someone. Anyway, Moving on, better supporting cast. Second category.
This is fucking impossible, dude,this is this is such a tough category.
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You have a you have Viola Davis, Jason Bateman, Chris Tucker,
Ben Affle like Christmasina. Then youhave Moneyball Jonah Hill, Robin Wright,
PSH, Chris Pratt and the oldTimers Scouts, which who I think are
freaking awesome castings. I know noneof these guys. I know none of
these actors, but they are sodamn well cast in this movie. I
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said it in the intro as well. I think Viola, Davis and Bateman
out of the supporting cast, giveamazing speeches. Then in Moneyball, you
have Jonah Hill, who is.I think this could be Jonah Hill's like
true like breakout roll when it comesto acting. I mean super Bad was
a few years before that. Thisis like his first time where he's really
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sinking his teeth into like a seriousrole, and I think it works so
well. I mean, he's hedoes some of that Jonah Hill stuff that
comed a bit, like when he'son the phone, he does that,
like that one scene where he justfreaking thumps when he gets the deal done.
I think that's a great moment.I think, psh. Whatever he's
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doing in the movie, he's likelike he has that look that freaking terrifies
me. He's if Henry Cavill wasin air, would you be picking instead
of money? Well, you alwaysgotta come on, no, no,
not always, not always. It'sjust that I'm not going to get into
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it. I'm not going to getdragged into this. And and Chris Pratt
also, he's having sort of momentthat was Chris Patt first you didn't Okay,
Well that's good. That's a goodperformance. And it's just him coming
off of this goofy thing trying toget into more serious stuff as well.
Yeah, I think I think ViolaDavis and Jason Bateman, like, these
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two have these great speeches that elevatethe movie for me. But I think
overall, Moneyball has more of asupporting cast. I think what PSH and
Johannah Hill do is untouchable in thatregard. Yeah, even though we were
talking about Viola Davis and how prettyawesome she is. So for me,
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I find it hard putting Via theDavis into the supporting category. I would
I would put her as more andthat that's not me like invalidating your argument.
This is my personal thoughts. Iwould have her as like a co
lead because her character in that dealdoes not get done without her. So
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from how I viewed the movie andhow I came to the conclusion I'm about
to come to, I completely tookher out of the running. But when
I was thinking about supporting cast,my MVP for the supporting cast of of
Air was Chris Tucker. I thoughtChris Tucker. He had his Chris Tucker
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funny moments. And there was thisscene at the airport where he says where
he tells Sonny that Adidas have matchedthe offer and he's just like, dude,
I'm sorry, man, and thenhe's like he's hanging up, like
he's leaning up against the phone box, and it's it showed that like Chris
Tucker can really act like he's gotso many he's got so many tools in
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his toolbox other than the hahas andthe and the comedy. And then he
has the speech about how like healways goes to the parents like the parents
are the key, and that leads, you know, that leads Sonny to
be like, Hey, I'm gonnago do that. That's a good idea.
What Jonah Hill never ceases to amazeme at the level of range that
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he has, go like psh regardless, he's great in everything. Jonah Hill
can go from souper bad to thisand then turn around and direct something like
Mid Nineties, which is a culturalpiece on the nineties Los Angeles skateboard scene.
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Like that man is so multi talentedand multi faceted that you could almost
just drop him in anywhere in anymovie, in any role, and I
feel like he'd be able to doa good job and it wouldn't just be
oh, that's a Jonah Hill movie, like it would be someone else's movie.
But we're talking about Jonahill's performance inthat movie. If you get what
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I'm saying. Yeah, well hegot an Oscar nun for money Ball as
well, exactly, so I thinkI'm gonna have to give this the Moneyball
as well. Mm hm, goodcall. We're agreeing on the second category,
the important cast. Next one betterstory originally has the better story,
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better script, better story. Thisone, Yeah, this one. I'm
still up in the air, butaand I think I'm going to talk myself
into argument here up in the air. Very good, Jesus Christ. I
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know the the story of Moneyball isvery it. It's kind of it's kind
of a true story, but likethere's some parts of it that were like
skewed and taken and moved around.I do think I do come at this
with a little bit of bias becauseall the shoes in my closet are Nike.
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I'm a Nike guy. But there'ssomething about Air being an underdog story
of them having their backs like firmlyagainst the wall, everything on this one
thing that needs to happen, thisone success, this thing that they didn't
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even think was possible. You goto the start of the movie, they
don't even they right off getting Jordancompletely. I mean, you look at
the two scenes where so like they'rein Moneyball they're talking about what players they
can get, and in Air they'retalking about what players they want to go
for. Those two beats are verymuch the same. So comparing these two
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stories, it's kind of difficult becausethey're so similar. But I think I
think I'm going to give it toAir because that feels to me more like
a true underdog story. The Oakland, the Oakland, the Oakland as they
found a way to game the system, but they had this super genius who
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knew how to who knew how togame the system, had a sure thing
that and yeah it didn't work fora while, but they knew it would.
And I feel like there's something moreto the desperation and what was at
stake for Nike, for the NikeBasketball department at that time, especially up
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against Converse and Adidas. Like thoseare two I know Nike. Now,
what's weird is that Nike you ownsboth of them. So I feel like
the underdog story is a bit morepure to me in Air as opposed to
in in Moneyball. Mm hmmm,No, I think it gets your reasoning.
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Yeah, we're there. They hadto succeed or it would have been
game over. With Moneyball, theycould have lost another season, and you
know, life goes on, butthese people were just sweating and everything on
their one thing. Yeah, Iget your point. This is this again
is such a tough category with bothbeing true stories. I think Air delivers
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more straight forward story with minimal sidestories. I think Moneyball is a little
bit more layered, and we getlike many sides of Billy Bean with his
own struggles mixed in and the factthat he's trying to reinvent the game.
Both movies managed to tell like arelatively boring story in a really entertaining way
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because on paper, like these movies, they're not like blockbusters. They're they're
not movies like who cares about thegoings on in a boardroom in a billion
like billions of dollars worth company,Like yeah, exactly, like a corporate
level movie. I mean, where'sthe commercial appeal in that Air does it
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in a more I think, let'ssee in a more commercial way with its
visuals and the temple and the music. I think Moneyball is more intricate.
It's more slow build, but Ithink it manages to grab as the importance
of what's happening and how they changedthe entire game of baseball. This is
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really close because Air does the samething. It changes how deals were made,
it changes how a brand is viewedas But I think with the slow
build motion of Moneyball, I haveto go with Moneyball, even though there
is a more quincy and commercial choice. Yeah, I think, And I'm
because I'm more biased towards Air Jordansas well. I had that came across.
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I've never played baseball. I don'tgive a shit, but that movie
did manage to pique my interest andreally made me like, look up what
actually happened. Yeah, it hurts, but gotta go with Moneyball. No,
no, no, that's fine.That's very you know, equally is
compelling story. The thing with mewas for picking Air, I wanted to
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look at Jordan's legacy, or itwas tough for me not to look at
Jordan's legacy overall. The Air isnot about his legacy overall. You have
the bit at the end where itgoes through everything he accomplished and all that
he's worth and how much the shoeis worth now and yeah, and this
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highlights his low lights, like butthe movie is not about that. This
this wasn't a a Michael Jordan biopic. You know, if you want that,
go watch The Last Dance. Butthis was a movie about Nike,
the brand and the shoe. Soit was almost like I had to take
the Jordan part out of it andfocus solely on the Nike part of it.
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And that was that was pretty hardto do because even while I was
talking there, I was like,yeah, but you got the Jordan legacy.
No, can't think about that becauseit's not a story about his legacy.
It's one part of it. Dude, William, Well, that's I
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mean if the second one is,but if the second one is Lebron's bier
pick, then yeah, okay,next guy. Category this this, this
is this is a good one.This is better music and this this is
this is easy for me. Thisis the easiest category by far. I
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think Air just takes this so fuckingeasily. I mean, My Ball has
you know the score, it hasthe what is it? I think the
song is called the Might of RioGrande has that sort of electric guitar that
the song that's pretty much used inevery sports movie. It breaking fits into
Moneyball as well. But Air hassome of the best eighties hits, which
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just make this movie so damn enjoyable. I mean, the soundtrack itself is
a fist punt, this pump aupunt, this pump, and it makes this
so truly like a like an eightiesmovie. This is it's just listen to
it searching on Spotify. I mean, you'll have loads of fun with this
soundtrack. I mean, yeah,I'm looking at it now, and I
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mean as soon as you hit moneyfor Nothing like that, it starts off
with it You've got me, You'vegot me. That that song is is
timeless money for Nothing jicks for free? Like, do you know which movie
also starts with that same song withits opening title? We actually did it
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on the show recently, quite recently, I forgot. Yeah, it's Kingsman
first. Kingsman, Oh starts offwith money for Nothing straight, but then
you get like the Beverly Hills coptheme. At one point in the movie,
you got Shop Territory by Tangenty Bornin the USA by Bruce Springsteen,
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and then they have the full likeconversation about what Born in the USA is
actually about, and I was justlike, wow, I didn't think they
were thinking about that in the eighties. I felt like back then they were
just like, yeah, it's asong about being born in America. Yeah.
I didn't know that either. Thatwas a good story. I didn't
know, but you know, Igot educated on that as well. So
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yeah, I think this is anAir an Air double banger for me.
Yeah, like two points to anymoney Bone has like these great moments where
it builds up, it builds up, and he has the good song.
But it's just Air is just likeAll Rise. The entire play is like
All Rise. It's just it's it'sperfect. It's so damn good. Okay,
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are you keeping score though? Iam, okay, good, Yeah,
I am. We're not. We'renot. We're not having a miscount.
We don't have to issue another fuckingapology live on the channel. Final
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category, that's your category, Mattie, Better legacy, which one stands the
test of time? I think asgood as Moneyball is, there are better
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movies in this genre about baseball,about baseball sports in general, like sports
underdog stories. I think there arebetter movies the Moneyball that are more legendary.
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And the same can be said forAir because you have some network,
but you also have lower Lowers inHouse of Gucci like that. With this
new genre of brand bio picks,I think Air, we're going to look
back and see that that was oneof the building blocks of this genre ten
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years, ten to fifteen years fromnow. I would like to see money
will get that same respect. Butwhen you have other movies in similar veins
of it that are more like higherregarded. It's weird because I want to
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say Moneyball, but I think Ihave to say Air because of the how
do I put this, The opportunitiesthat are there to go forward with other
like legacy brands and tell their storieslike we've had how Segucci that sucked,
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Social Network incredible, Steve Jobs awesome. That's a matchup we're probably going to
do later on down the line.Ye yep, now you've got Air.
It's like, think of all theother ones that could come from this and
like tell a different story, theselike corporate bier pick stories. I think
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there's more possibilities there, and Ithink Air will be looked back on as
one of the building blocks that ofthis new genre, whereas Moneyball will kind
of be like, oh, that'sanother great movie amongst a bunch of other
great movies m so I'm going there, I'm going there. Yeah. I
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think it's a little bit unfair becauseMoneyball came out twelve years ago. But
money Ball has that argument for itthat it has aged extremely well so far.
There was no telling that movie wasmade more than ten years ago.
Like, seriously, you could havethat movie in the cinemas except for well
Brady has an aged either. Youcould sell this as a movie that came
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out this here, And I thinkthe story is very underrated. Like I
didn't know anything about baseball and thefact of how the game was changed,
but it mattered to me. Ithink Air story feels like I think Air
story will be remembered more because ofbecause everyone knows about Nike and Michael Jordan.
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It remains to be seen like howAir will do in the Oscars race.
But I think that's also a bigfactor of how the movie will be
remembered and the legacy for this,which again Moneyball has going for it has
a lot of Oscar nominations. AaronSorkin wrote, Moneyball, you can feel
that in the story in the script. I do think that Moneyball is rewatchable,
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but Air in this regard the commercialappeal of Air and the fact that
it is more rewatchable. It's aneasier watch to me, and because of
the brand and because of Michael Jordan, it does have a better legacy.
And this category is going to Airas well. Yeah, I was.
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I was not expecting that. Iwas expecting you go with Air, So
no, I went with Air.Sorry, I thought you were gonna go
with Moneyball. But uh yeah,this was a lot closer than I thought
it would be. Yeah, well, I I went. I think I
went. Well, I'm not gonnasay what I what I did, because
you're gonna you're gonna tell the score. I mean, the only if we
(43:38):
look back to this conversation, theonly like slam dunk argument that I I've
just had was more home run orhome run. Yeah, god, I
even said slam dunk without knowing thepun. The only pun that I was
making. That's what I'm here for, the pun, minister. Yeah.
Yeah, but like the only onethat we had a definitive this is this
(44:01):
is the way sorry, different showarguing for was was for music. We're
fairly back and forth on the castand the story, which shows how great
both of these movies are. Ithink you're right that Air is probably the
more rewatchable of the two. Fromsay, if I'm with just someone,
(44:22):
any random person, and want tostick a movie on, I'm more likely
to stick on Air than Moneyball,unless it's unless I'm like with you or
Paul, or I'll go for aBen Bateman who loves money. Yeah.
Yeah, like I'll watch money Ballif I've got Bateman over. But you
know, if I've got some otherlike random person over, I'll stick Air
(44:44):
on. But you're sick in theair, like Jesus, we gotta,
we gotta, we gotta. ShallI read out the score? Now we
do it? Let's I want toknow which one because I actually got no
idea. So Air versus Moneyball?What's the score? Score? Do we
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have a winner? We do havea winner. Had a score of six
to four. Oh your winner?Ah Air one? Air one? Holy
shit. I thought it was gonnabe Moneyball. I was. I was
looking at the score while you weremaking your final argument, thinking, holy
(45:28):
ship, are we about to havea hung jury here? Or we're gonna
have to because Pod didn't put ina proxy bote. I asked pr D
before the show if if you wantedto put in a proxy boat. I
didn't. I didn't hear from him. So oh, he hasn't seen the
movie yet. He and PJ haven'tseen the movie. I know Chris is
going to be a freaking livid nowbecause he wanted Yeah, Chris, Chris,
(45:50):
there's already living. Look at this. I believe I'll get any nominations
for Oscars and the winner is youknow, you know, I think I
think it might get some nomination.I think Ryola Davis, like you said,
he's gonna get a nomination. Ithink the script might get a nomination
because it was a blacklisted script,right that got made that Yeah, it
was a blacklisted script that I can'tremember. It was actually took over the
(46:14):
script with beneficcan that damould help withpenning it out eventually. But there was
another Jeremy somewhere, No Connory,someone Jeremy Connery something like that. I
can't remember by heart. But yeah, I think Air will get some love.
But Air got love on Class ActionAir versus Moneyball. Air came out
on top because Air is on top, and let's send this, Okay,
(46:44):
do you want to talk about thenext one that that we're going to do?
I mean, I kind of alludedto it is that next? Is
that the next one that we're officiallydoing? Yeah? I think so?
Do you want to lock it infor I'm getting we're getting really intelligent movies.
I like this because the show.The show is called class action,
but like we did a whole runof like putting eighties action movies against each
(47:08):
other, doing something a little different. We'll get back to the Jesus action.
I mean, look, we gotMission Impossible, the new Mission Impossible
coming up. That's gonna be that'sgoing to be heavily featured on the show.
I'm putting in that we should doa Mission Impossible tournament, but you
know that's that's what that will reopenthe p s H versus Cavill argument.
(47:32):
And I don't think we need toreally go through that. But is going
to polarize you? Easy, easy, Easy? Where came the folks find
you? Oh no, I didn'teven say well, I was so busy
looking for the thing to close theshow up, but I wasn't even concentrating.
(47:55):
We are going to be doing theSocial Network versus Steve Jobs mm hmm,
and then maybe after that we coulddo the Big short versus Wall Street
or something like that. Is itboth movies by Aaron Sorkin? In some
regards? Isn't Steve Jobs directed byAaron Sorkin? Isn't it that? Or
was that? Or was that Fincher? I think it was Fincher. Oh
(48:19):
no, it was Danny Boyle Mybad Danny Boyd but Aaron Pennant. Yeah,
and the Social Network directed by Pincher. Mhmm, okay, so that
will be in a couple of weekstime. We thank you everyone in the
chat for joining us. We knowwithout Paul it's kind of a an easier
sell, but we missed Paul.I haven't done other than holy snokes.
(48:44):
We haven't done a class action withthe three of us in a while.
I missed Paul. We give himship, but I do miss it.
We get we give pull ship butlike he does the same. Lost.
It's fine. We need we needto have PJ on the show at some
point as well. We need toget PJ back on. Yeah. This
is fun. This is always agood time. Jab Where can people find
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It's Matty g okay, and I'mRichard and this is class action,
the classiest movie show on the interwebs. How easy was that to see how
it goes? Yeah, that's howit goes, dude. How are you
doing? Man? Doing good?We met up? We met up.
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Damn it, you killed the joke. Ah. I was gonna say,
it's been a while since last week, but as Joe, we just noticed
he came. He was in Londonthe other day. We went up in
notting Hill, went for some cassadillas. And now it sounds like I'm from
London. He shout, like,you're from London. Yeah, we went.
(01:42):
We went to see the Harry PotterPlatform nine and three quarters. Yeah,
where we went to see platform nineto three quarters. There was a
massive queue to take a photo witha sign where Maddy. When we went
inside the store, Maddy was yellingout loud nerds for everyone in the store.
(02:02):
Seriously. I was like, okay, well this is probably they were
going to throw us in a fewminutes, but they didn't they didn't.
It was just the irony that Iwas yelling out nerds when I spent the
weekend before at a Star Wars fanconvention with a bunch of nerds. But
that's fine. Nerds run the worldapparently, and that's yeah. But yeah,
(02:29):
it's been a minute since I've beenon Class Action. Shout out to
you and Paul for last episode holdingDown the Fort. That was the one
episode I fucking gutted I had tomiss the right movie one in my opinion,
my my proxy vote, my proxyboat. You know, I swung
the tide as it should have been, but one though, it was very
(02:53):
close. I even said to youthe other day, well, yeah,
the other day when we were hangingout that some of your points, while
they were very well put, Ithink at the time I would have taken
severe umbridge with But we're not herefor that. We're here today to talk
about two We have two Europeans onthe show. No pod unfortunately, you
(03:15):
know, he's got real life shipto do. But we got two Europeans
talking about two movies about two Americansports franchises. Yeah, that's that's pretty
crazy, though we're not sure,Well, we're going to do a good
job. But we're not like,yeah, we're not an American, so
we're going to just we're just goingto talk shit. Did you ever play
(03:37):
rounders at school? Was that athing in Estonia? Round explained the game.
It's essentially just baseball, but witha smaller like one held Wooden wouldn't
back it sounds like cricket. No, cricket is like you have the longer
bat and you hold it like thatround as you literally have one as a
(03:58):
one handed bat about that long.It's essentially baseball and you just whack it
and then run around the field toget back to where you started. Essentially
baseball, just with a one handedbat. Oh, never done that sounds
it sounds like something you could beatsomeone upward ulf No, I'm just saying
(04:18):
me, no comment, no comment. I may may not. I've got
a atention for that. The guythrough the ball and it hit me in
the nose. He had it comingshout to William Harold in the chat,
Kelly always out. We took toit ubridge with umbridge. Is that a
very British word. I've never heardumbrage. It just basically means you were
(04:40):
wrong and they held you to accountfor it. It sounds like Umbradge,
like from Harry Potter. Oh youhave never that's probably where That's probably where
the character got the name from.But yeah, today is a very big
one because, as I said,two Europeans discussing two American sports movies.
(05:00):
We're doing Moneyball versus Air. Javi, I hate to ask you this because
since we're covering them both on theshow today, have you seen Air?
And what did you think? Pleasetell me you see? Yeah, yeah,
of course, of course I see. It was a couple of weeks
ago now, and Air is mynumber one movie of twenty twenty three so
(05:20):
far. Yeah, wow, Dungeons, Dungeons and Dragons had the number one
spot a week later he got bumpedby Air. I still I still need
to see that. So wait,where's uh, it's it's not not on
the moving on wim hear and chat. You guys are going to talk about
(05:44):
the Michelle Young movies just announced foran hour right, No, because I
have no idea what movie was justannounced. I have been working, and
I'm sure Javi has been recovering fromhis his vacation. Damn it, I
woke up thinking about those things.I was like, oh, oh,
take me back. I was likeone of those Jack's hashtag take me back?
(06:12):
Yeah, what were on? Yeah? I thought Air was well,
so much more than I was expecting. Initially. I thought I was just
going in for, you know,a fun, corporate level movie that's gonna
have like awesome Matt Damon and awesomeBen effect. They're gonna be riffing,
They're gonna be enjoying themselves. Itdid deliver on all of that, but
(06:35):
I did not expect how much deeperthe movie goes. And there were some
like amazing speeches, like three speechesthat made this the number one movie of
the year so far. It wasfrom Jason Bateman, Viola Davis, and
Matt Damon. They all had threebig speeches in that movie which were which
(06:57):
were just so much fun. AndI mean the music We'll get into that
when we talk about it in thecategory. But Airs some fucking bangers,
Yes, yes, yes, yes. My overall thoughts were, I like
this trend that we seem to begetting. It's been slowly building over the
last few years with the social network, just the jobs now with Air,
(07:23):
in that you have these movies thattalk about successful brands and successful companies and
the legacy that they have built.This one specifically, it's not about Nike
as a brand. It's about theJordan which iron three pairs of Jordan's,
like that is a staple of likefootwear and like the whole sneaker culture.
(07:46):
I would love for there to belike a movie about the about sneaker culture
and like you know, buying,buying like vintage shoes. I feel like
the Jordans were like the ones thatreally spark that off. So it's kind
of like its own little like it'sown little genre in a way. Well
(08:07):
for sure, form I actually Ireally like it. I really really really
like it. Do you is thata movie? Do you think this movie
will get some well in the Oscarsrace for next year. I don't think
so, because I feel like,no, no, I don't. I
would like to because I think Iwould like to see Viola Davis walk away
(08:31):
with something and she was just Ithink she was so integral to this part
of the movie, and we're goingto come into that. I'm going to
bring up a point in that vein. I feel like, if there is
one person in this movie that shouldbe up for something, it should be
Via the Davis. Yeah, sheshe brought the spirit of Michael Jordan,
(08:52):
who will spoiler Michael Jordan isn't inthe movie as a face. He's just
the boys. No, they BenAffleck set out not to because he's he's
a legendary athlete that should I feellike, shouldn't be recast. You could
(09:13):
the agent do it, do himlike that, But I don't know,
the fact that we didn't get tosee his face I think made his legend
even more sort of menacing, orthe presence of him you felt like,
oh shit, he's in the roomright now. But Viola Davies was the
spirit of that legend, so sheshe pretty much carried what she had to
do and who Michael Jordan was aswell. And there there were a whole
(09:35):
lot of is there were a wholelot of like licensing things around this movie.
I was watching There's a show andComplex where they take like actors and
athletes and celebrities, they take himsneaker shopping, and it was Matt Damon,
Ben Affleck and Chris Tucker and theywere saying they were there's so much
that like they couldn't promote the shoearound the movie, like they couldn't do
(09:58):
like a signature Jordan line for themovie. They couldn't like monetize off of
the shoe. It was like reallyweird, like they could use it,
but like only in certain ways,and there was a whole, a whole
bunch of stuff around it. Soyeah, I'm a I'm all for more
of these. But let's get intoour first game. We've we've been playmbling
(10:20):
somewhat for for ten minutes here.So with Pod not here, we decided
we're going to do an Ed Harrisrecasting because he's not here so we can
do whatever we want. Yeah,I mean we usually do wheel now,
but this is POD's game and we'rejust rubbing it in his face because he's
not here. I mean, whythe hell not? Yeah, and you
(10:41):
could. And the reason why weeven started doing Ed Harris is because,
spoilers, POD's favorite actor. Andhow does he say it? Always he's
the best, the best character,he's the best character. He elevates the
movie. He's always had a movie. He makes the great movie perfect,
a good movie great, a badmovie watchable. Yeah yeah, yeady,
(11:05):
yeady. Yeah, So now whatare we gonna do it? We're going
to recast Ed Harris or put EdHarris into a role. So we either
take someone out of the movie andput ed Harris in, or we come
up with our own role for EdHarris to play. I'm not gonna put
(11:26):
that on screen, just no.I think that's hilarious, but for obvious
reasons, I'm not gonna touch thatfor the fucking tempt goal. But job,
you said you had one for Moneyball, so I'm gonna let it go
first. So fair warning. Wedecided right before the show to do Ed
Harry. We're going to complete Yeah, pretty off the cuff, but there's
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there's loads of choices here, andI feel like, I think Ed Harris.
I think Ed Harris would have beenso great the head of the scouts
that sit at the table, theold timers. There's a guy like Ken
Medlock who plays Grady Feuson. Yeah, he's like the you know, the
(12:13):
leader of the packcourt at the tableand you got to listen to us.
Put Ed Harry says one of thosecharacters. I mean, he's way scarier,
way more scary. I would love. This is a complete comedy casting,
so probably wouldn't even fit the role, but we wun't even fit the
movie. I would love for themto like put a little bit of makeup
(12:37):
on it Harris, make him looklike a little bit younger, and have
him as like some old veteran player. Oh yeah, that was like on
the retiree circuit or somewhat something,or like I was just about to retire,
but they were like, no,let's let's get him back for one
more season. Like he's still gota little bit of spark left in him.
(13:00):
We can pull him back for oneseason and give him like that real
underdog story. So I would havehad Ed Harris as like some like like
like Kevin Costner from For Love ofthe Game, like yeah, picture someone,
Yeah, yeah, something like that. That would be. That would
be what I would put Ed Harrison, and like I would change the story
and that they win the final game, but it's like Ed Harris that wins
(13:22):
it for him. Well that's that'sfor Love of the Game. You're pretty
much retailing for Love of the Game. Yeah, pretty much. When when
you were saying, yeah that youwant to put makeup on Ed Harris,
I thought you were going to gowith Billy Beans's daughter, Casey Bean.
I you said Ed Harris would makeup immediately where I went Ed Harris singing
(13:46):
at the end, Yeah, reallyguitar. Okay, where are you putting
him in an there's an obvious choicewhere Ed Harrison air. I would have
him as the Christmasina character. Imean he's constantly on the phone, he's
yelling, he's anxious, he's arrogant. I mean just the phone slam you
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know, Ed Harry says, downthat down and yeah. I mean it's
an easy one for me, easyone. As the Ed Harris is David
Fox just slamming the phone down becausehe's up there and they're down here.
I would and we phoned the wronggoddamn room. He wants to speak to
(14:35):
Michael, but Michael's in like theoffice upstairs, and he's like, no,
he's up there, you're down there. You call the wrong goddamn border.
Yeah. I would go with PeterMoore, the guy who designed the
shoe, so something about like EdHarris just in a basement obsessing over basketball
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shoes. Peel would be having afit. You're you're, you're, you're
putting it. Harry's down in thebasement. Hey, if he makes if
he makes bad movies watchable, heshould be able to do anything right.
He should light up the basement.He should, Yeah, he should light
up that basement. But something abouthim just like being like this odd,
(15:20):
weird, quirky dude. That's likeyeah, and then Ben Affleck just walks
up to me and goes, Ineed the greatest basketball shoe ever made.
And then Harrih's just being like done. I feel like he could. I
feel like he could do it.Dorky at Harris. I'd like to see
that Darky at Harris. I don'tthink he's ever played darky, though you
(15:43):
probably do it. I would besurprised if he hasn't. But like,
that's that's a man's man. I'msure has like nineteen thirty seven there come
up. He'd probably come up withsome robbery played. But yeah, that
is our casting. We've got afew in the few in the chat.
(16:06):
I'm not going to touch that one. How. I like that. I
like that Ed Harris is Jerry SloaneOkay, Oh yeah, Sloan was the
first balls player to have his jerseyretired. Oh cool, mm hmm.
(16:27):
Yeah, there's I think there's loadsof robles you can put out of Harrison.
I mean, he is the mosthe's the greatest character act of all
time. So yeah, these moviesseem like they're very well made for him,
Ed Harrison, So it's is MichaelJordan with Ed Harrison's voice than the
(16:48):
previous one. Okay, yeah,yeah, yeah yeah, but okay,
Jarvi, actually, before we do, if this is your first time watching
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appreciate it. But Javi, forthose of you who have never seen an
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show where we take two movies,actors, franchises, we put them up
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(17:57):
is the winner. Now we saycustom made categories. Now having done this
show for like thirty episodes, nowwith the new iteration, these categories are
pretty much becoming, you know,pre set categories, which I think is
actually a damn good idea. Ithink movies should all be on a level
playing field. So the ones thatwe have, we kind of switch out
(18:18):
the last two, but main themain three ones are usually the same,
and for this instance, we havebetter lead. So we're putting Brad Pitt
against Matt Damon. We got bettersupporting cast, we got all the supporting
cast against the supporting cast. Whichmovie has the better story, which movie
has the better music, and whichhas better legacy? So this is going
(18:40):
to be an interesting one. Wedon't well, we're going to speculate the
shit out of it because we gotno idea how it's going to fare against
time. To explain the legacy category, it's one that I came up with.
It's which of these movies we're stillgoing to be talking about in ten
years time, which one do wethink is going to have the blungevy overall?
(19:00):
So that's it's kind of a mixof rewatchability and I guess by your
cell if you guys have watched Ama, they have their category of by or
sell. It's kind of a mixof that and rewatchability. So it's a
new category. We're gonna give ita go. We're gonna give it a
shot. But Jabi, why don'tyou tell us what is our first category
(19:22):
for this week? Okay? Sofirst one is better lead. We're putting
Brad Pitt against mer Duermon. Andthen this, I mean, before we
get into this, all of thecategories, all the decisions are like they're
so close for me, they're alsodamn close. So whichever way I'm going,
I just want you to know Ilove both movies and this is purting
(19:45):
me. Yeah, this is agreat movie. And we've we've already got
like a kind of snap judgment inthe chat the great Mike Deacon from What
the Show People gonna remember air becauseof the content? Mmm, what do
you mean because of the content?Because of this show? Oh? This
show? Yeah, because of classaction We're content. And another one from
(20:07):
Chris though, I think money willbeats out in every category, every category,
every huh. Okay, Okay,let's get into it. Do you
want me to start or do youwant to go first? You go ahead,
you start off this one for me. I gotta go, Damon,
I go. I gotta go.Matt Damon, I think he I think
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you put in a more impassioned performancethan Brad Pitt. I feel like some
points Brad Pitt was just they're beingBrad Pitt. If it makes sense,
He's there to like be broody andcool and edgy. But that's that's Brad
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Pitt, like in every movie,like he's just Brad Pitt is one of
those guys. He can play himselfand you're like, wow, that was
amazing, because Brad Pitt is amazing. Matt Damon in this goes from down
in the dumps, like miserable ofhis life, creates that this brand like
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he's all in on it. There'sthat sense of desperation in there, and
I think that comes across in thismovie because it's his and Afflecks first movie
with their production company, So inthat sense, this movie kind of mirrors
their real life situation. And Ithink that led Damon to be more like
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to put more into it because itwas sort of relating to him. I
don't I don't know about Brad Pitt'spersonal life. I don't know if he
is an no ocalan athletics fan,but it just seemed to me that there
was more like, I don't wantto say that he finds more passion,
there was more passion into his performance. Then then I got from Brad Pitt,
(22:04):
Yeah, I completely know what youmean, but I think this is
this is pretty easily Brad Pitt's categoryand your reasons, your reasons. I
think I think Matt Damon plays agreat sonny of a car. I think
you're spot on. He's passionate.I mean, he hits all the beads.
(22:25):
He delivers a really solid performance,but I could see him being switched
out by another actor. Now withPitt, I think Brad Pitt is,
like we talked about the cruisiest cruise. Brad Pitt is the pitiest pit in
this movie that we've ever seen him. But I think the same pit but
(22:48):
it really works well in this movie. I think he's performed like the way
he is the kind of arrogant,sort of has that know it all like
feeling about him. He has towardsthe players, kind of like he doesn't
want to get involved in their personallives. So yeah, it's it's much
it's a much more subtle performance.But I think like because there's there's they
(23:10):
have pretty similar struggles. Matt Damonhas his family struggles, Brad Pitt has
his family struggles as well, butI think he does it with more nuance,
with more sort of tenderness and subtlety. And I think I can't really
recast Brad Pitt with anyone else.I think he's You're completely right, he
(23:32):
does the Brad Pitt thing. ButI think it's the best Brad Pitt that
Brad Pitt has done. If thatmakes it, wow, it's just it's
just it, no, no,the best Brad Pitt. Oh, Brad
Pitt does. So you got Okay, So it's it's the best version of
himself exactly exactly. Yeah, ButI think for this character and for this
(23:52):
movie, it's it's just spot on. It's superb. So because of that
recast factor and the fact that Ican't think of anyone as Brad Pitt as
Bill Bean, gotta go with,I gotta go with Mindy Ball, Krista
and the chass name, Brad Pittworks sixty percent every time. Okay,
absolutely Okay, that's that's fair.I will remember every time I put my
(24:15):
shoes on nice you know, fellaNike guy, William Arata like that,
Mike Deacon. These are boyth phenomenalmovies. You are not wrong. You
are not wrong. My friend KellyPiteous Pit put that on a T shirt?
What about what about prettiest Pit becausehe's a pretty guy. I think
we can change it's the prettiest pit. Pretty piteous sounds kind of like dirtier
(24:38):
for someone. Anyway, Moving on, better supporting cast. Second category.
This is fucking impossible, dude,this is this is such a tough category.
(24:59):
You have a you have Viola Davis, Jason Bateman, Chris Tucker,
Ben Affle like Christmasina. Then youhave Moneyball Jonah Hill, Robin Wright,
PSH, Chris Pratt and the oldTimers Scouts, which who I think are
freaking awesome castings. I know noneof these guys. I know none of
these actors, but they are sodamn well cast in this movie. I
(25:21):
said it in the intro as well. I think Viola, Davis and Bateman
out of the supporting cast, giveamazing speeches. Then in Moneyball, you
have Jonah Hill, who is.I think this could be Jonah Hill's like
true like breakout roll when it comesto acting. I mean super Bad was
a few years before that. Thisis like his first time where he's really
(25:44):
sinking his teeth into like a seriousrole, and I think it works so
well. I mean, he's hedoes some of that Jonah Hill stuff that
comed a bit, like when he'son the phone, he does that,
like that one scene where he justfreaking thumps when he gets the deal done.
I think that's a great moment.I think, psh. Whatever he's
(26:04):
doing in the movie, he's likelike he has that look that freaking terrifies
me. He's if Henry Cavill wasin air, would you be picking instead
of money? Well, you alwaysgotta come on, no, no,
not always, not always. It'sjust that I'm not going to get into
(26:26):
it. I'm not going to getdragged into this. And and Chris Pratt
also, he's having sort of momentthat was Chris Patt first you didn't Okay,
Well that's good. That's a goodperformance. And it's just him coming
off of this goofy thing trying toget into more serious stuff as well.
Yeah, I think I think ViolaDavis and Jason Bateman, like, these
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two have these great speeches that elevatethe movie for me. But I think
overall, Moneyball has more of asupporting cast. I think what PSH and
Johannah Hill do is untouchable in thatregard. Yeah, even though we were
talking about Viola Davis and how prettyawesome she is. So for me,
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I find it hard putting Via theDavis into the supporting category. I would
I would put her as more andthat that's not me like invalidating your argument.
This is my personal thoughts. Iwould have her as like a co
lead because her character in that dealdoes not get done without her. So
(27:41):
from how I viewed the movie andhow I came to the conclusion I'm about
to come to, I completely tookher out of the running. But when
I was thinking about supporting cast,my MVP for the supporting cast of of
Air was Chris Tucker. I thoughtChris Tucker. He had his Chris Tucker
(28:03):
funny moments. And there was thisscene at the airport where he says where
he tells Sonny that Adidas have matchedthe offer and he's just like, dude,
I'm sorry, man, and thenhe's like he's hanging up, like
he's leaning up against the phone box, and it's it showed that like Chris
Tucker can really act like he's gotso many he's got so many tools in
(28:29):
his toolbox other than the hahas andthe and the comedy. And then he
has the speech about how like healways goes to the parents like the parents
are the key, and that leads, you know, that leads Sonny to
be like, Hey, I'm gonnago do that. That's a good idea.
What Jonah Hill never ceases to amazeme at the level of range that
(28:53):
he has, go like psh regardless, he's great in everything. Jonah Hill
can go from souper bad to thisand then turn around and direct something like
Mid Nineties, which is a culturalpiece on the nineties Los Angeles skateboard scene.
(29:15):
Like that man is so multi talentedand multi faceted that you could almost
just drop him in anywhere in anymovie, in any role, and I
feel like he'd be able to doa good job and it wouldn't just be
oh, that's a Jonah Hill movie, like it would be someone else's movie.
But we're talking about Jonahill's performance inthat movie. If you get what
(29:37):
I'm saying. Yeah, well hegot an Oscar nun for money Ball as
well, exactly, so I thinkI'm gonna have to give this the Moneyball
as well. Mm hm, goodcall. We're agreeing on the second category,
the important cast. Next one betterstory originally has the better story,
(30:00):
better script, better story. Thisone, Yeah, this one. I'm
still up in the air, butaand I think I'm going to talk myself
into argument here up in the air. Very good, Jesus Christ. I
(30:22):
know the the story of Moneyball isvery it. It's kind of it's kind
of a true story, but likethere's some parts of it that were like
skewed and taken and moved around.I do think I do come at this
with a little bit of bias becauseall the shoes in my closet are Nike.
(30:45):
I'm a Nike guy. But there'ssomething about Air being an underdog story
of them having their backs like firmlyagainst the wall, everything on this one
thing that needs to happen, thisone success, this thing that they didn't
(31:07):
even think was possible. You goto the start of the movie, they
don't even they right off getting Jordancompletely. I mean, you look at
the two scenes where so like they'rein Moneyball they're talking about what players they
can get, and in Air they'retalking about what players they want to go
for. Those two beats are verymuch the same. So comparing these two
(31:29):
stories, it's kind of difficult becausethey're so similar. But I think I
think I'm going to give it toAir because that feels to me more like
a true underdog story. The Oakland, the Oakland, the Oakland as they
found a way to game the system, but they had this super genius who
(31:52):
knew how to who knew how togame the system, had a sure thing
that and yeah it didn't work fora while, but they knew it would.
And I feel like there's something moreto the desperation and what was at
stake for Nike, for the NikeBasketball department at that time, especially up
(32:15):
against Converse and Adidas. Like thoseare two I know Nike. Now,
what's weird is that Nike you ownsboth of them. So I feel like
the underdog story is a bit morepure to me in Air as opposed to
in in Moneyball. Mm hmmm,No, I think it gets your reasoning.
(32:37):
Yeah, we're there. They hadto succeed or it would have been
game over. With Moneyball, theycould have lost another season, and you
know, life goes on, butthese people were just sweating and everything on
their one thing. Yeah, Iget your point. This is this again
is such a tough category with bothbeing true stories. I think Air delivers
(32:59):
more straight forward story with minimal sidestories. I think Moneyball is a little
bit more layered, and we getlike many sides of Billy Bean with his
own struggles mixed in and the factthat he's trying to reinvent the game.
Both movies managed to tell like arelatively boring story in a really entertaining way
(33:22):
because on paper, like these movies, they're not like blockbusters. They're they're
not movies like who cares about thegoings on in a boardroom in a billion
like billions of dollars worth company,Like yeah, exactly, like a corporate
level movie. I mean, where'sthe commercial appeal in that Air does it
(33:45):
in a more I think, let'ssee in a more commercial way with its
visuals and the temple and the music. I think Moneyball is more intricate.
It's more slow build, but Ithink it manages to grab as the importance
of what's happening and how they changedthe entire game of baseball. This is
(34:06):
really close because Air does the samething. It changes how deals were made,
it changes how a brand is viewedas But I think with the slow
build motion of Moneyball, I haveto go with Moneyball, even though there
is a more quincy and commercial choice. Yeah, I think, And I'm
because I'm more biased towards Air Jordansas well. I had that came across.
(34:29):
I've never played baseball. I don'tgive a shit, but that movie
did manage to pique my interest andreally made me like, look up what
actually happened. Yeah, it hurts, but gotta go with Moneyball. No,
no, no, that's fine.That's very you know, equally is
compelling story. The thing with mewas for picking Air, I wanted to
(34:52):
look at Jordan's legacy, or itwas tough for me not to look at
Jordan's legacy overall. The Air isnot about his legacy overall. You have
the bit at the end where itgoes through everything he accomplished and all that
he's worth and how much the shoeis worth now and yeah, and this
(35:12):
highlights his low lights, like butthe movie is not about that. This
this wasn't a a Michael Jordan biopic. You know, if you want that,
go watch The Last Dance. Butthis was a movie about Nike,
the brand and the shoe. Soit was almost like I had to take
the Jordan part out of it andfocus solely on the Nike part of it.
(35:36):
And that was that was pretty hardto do because even while I was
talking there, I was like,yeah, but you got the Jordan legacy.
No, can't think about that becauseit's not a story about his legacy.
It's one part of it. Dude, William, Well, that's I
(35:58):
mean if the second one is,but if the second one is Lebron's bier
pick, then yeah, okay,next guy. Category this this, this
is this is a good one.This is better music and this this is
this is easy for me. Thisis the easiest category by far. I
(36:20):
think Air just takes this so fuckingeasily. I mean, My Ball has
you know the score, it hasthe what is it? I think the
song is called the Might of RioGrande has that sort of electric guitar that
the song that's pretty much used inevery sports movie. It breaking fits into
Moneyball as well. But Air hassome of the best eighties hits, which
(36:42):
just make this movie so damn enjoyable. I mean, the soundtrack itself is
a fist punt, this pump aupunt, this pump, and it makes this
so truly like a like an eightiesmovie. This is it's just listen to
it searching on Spotify. I mean, you'll have loads of fun with this
soundtrack. I mean, yeah,I'm looking at it now, and I
(37:04):
mean as soon as you hit moneyfor Nothing like that, it starts off
with it You've got me, You'vegot me. That that song is is
timeless money for Nothing jicks for free? Like, do you know which movie
also starts with that same song withits opening title? We actually did it
(37:27):
on the show recently, quite recently, I forgot. Yeah, it's Kingsman
first. Kingsman, Oh starts offwith money for Nothing straight, but then
you get like the Beverly Hills coptheme. At one point in the movie,
you got Shop Territory by Tangenty Bornin the USA by Bruce Springsteen,
(37:49):
and then they have the full likeconversation about what Born in the USA is
actually about, and I was justlike, wow, I didn't think they
were thinking about that in the eighties. I felt like back then they were
just like, yeah, it's asong about being born in America. Yeah.
I didn't know that either. Thatwas a good story. I didn't
know, but you know, Igot educated on that as well. So
(38:13):
yeah, I think this is anAir an Air double banger for me.
Yeah, like two points to anymoney Bone has like these great moments where
it builds up, it builds up, and he has the good song.
But it's just Air is just likeAll Rise. The entire play is like
All Rise. It's just it's it'sperfect. It's so damn good. Okay,
(38:37):
are you keeping score though? Iam, okay, good, Yeah,
I am. We're not. We'renot. We're not having a miscount.
We don't have to issue another fuckingapology live on the channel. Final
(38:58):
category, that's your category, Mattie, Better legacy, which one stands the
test of time? I think asgood as Moneyball is, there are better
(39:20):
movies in this genre about baseball,about baseball sports in general, like sports
underdog stories. I think there arebetter movies the Moneyball that are more legendary.
(39:43):
And the same can be said forAir because you have some network,
but you also have lower Lowers inHouse of Gucci like that. With this
new genre of brand bio picks,I think Air, we're going to look
back and see that that was oneof the building blocks of this genre ten
(40:07):
years, ten to fifteen years fromnow. I would like to see money
will get that same respect. Butwhen you have other movies in similar veins
of it that are more like higherregarded. It's weird because I want to
(40:29):
say Moneyball, but I think Ihave to say Air because of the how
do I put this, The opportunitiesthat are there to go forward with other
like legacy brands and tell their storieslike we've had how Segucci that sucked,
(40:52):
Social Network incredible, Steve Jobs awesome. That's a matchup we're probably going to
do later on down the line.Ye yep, now you've got Air.
It's like, think of all theother ones that could come from this and
like tell a different story, theselike corporate bier pick stories. I think
(41:13):
there's more possibilities there, and Ithink Air will be looked back on as
one of the building blocks that ofthis new genre, whereas Moneyball will kind
of be like, oh, that'sanother great movie amongst a bunch of other
great movies m so I'm going there, I'm going there. Yeah. I
(41:37):
think it's a little bit unfair becauseMoneyball came out twelve years ago. But
money Ball has that argument for itthat it has aged extremely well so far.
There was no telling that movie wasmade more than ten years ago.
Like, seriously, you could havethat movie in the cinemas except for well
Brady has an aged either. Youcould sell this as a movie that came
(41:59):
out this here, And I thinkthe story is very underrated. Like I
didn't know anything about baseball and thefact of how the game was changed,
but it mattered to me. Ithink Air story feels like I think Air
story will be remembered more because ofbecause everyone knows about Nike and Michael Jordan.
(42:25):
It remains to be seen like howAir will do in the Oscars race.
But I think that's also a bigfactor of how the movie will be
remembered and the legacy for this,which again Moneyball has going for it has
a lot of Oscar nominations. AaronSorkin wrote, Moneyball, you can feel
that in the story in the script. I do think that Moneyball is rewatchable,
(42:49):
but Air in this regard the commercialappeal of Air and the fact that
it is more rewatchable. It's aneasier watch to me, and because of
the brand and because of Michael Jordan, it does have a better legacy.
And this category is going to Airas well. Yeah, I was.
(43:13):
I was not expecting that. Iwas expecting you go with Air, So
no, I went with Air.Sorry, I thought you were gonna go
with Moneyball. But uh yeah,this was a lot closer than I thought
it would be. Yeah, well, I I went. I think I
went. Well, I'm not gonnasay what I what I did, because
you're gonna you're gonna tell the score. I mean, the only if we
(43:38):
look back to this conversation, theonly like slam dunk argument that I I've
just had was more home run orhome run. Yeah, god, I
even said slam dunk without knowing thepun. The only pun that I was
making. That's what I'm here for, the pun, minister. Yeah.
Yeah, but like the only onethat we had a definitive this is this
(44:01):
is the way sorry, different showarguing for was was for music. We're
fairly back and forth on the castand the story, which shows how great
both of these movies are. Ithink you're right that Air is probably the
more rewatchable of the two. Fromsay, if I'm with just someone,
(44:22):
any random person, and want tostick a movie on, I'm more likely
to stick on Air than Moneyball,unless it's unless I'm like with you or
Paul, or I'll go for aBen Bateman who loves money. Yeah.
Yeah, like I'll watch money Ballif I've got Bateman over. But you
know, if I've got some otherlike random person over, I'll stick Air
(44:44):
on. But you're sick in theair, like Jesus, we gotta,
we gotta, we gotta. ShallI read out the score? Now we
do it? Let's I want toknow which one because I actually got no
idea. So Air versus Moneyball?What's the score? Score? Do we
(45:05):
have a winner? We do havea winner. Had a score of six
to four. Oh your winner?Ah Air one? Air one? Holy
shit. I thought it was gonnabe Moneyball. I was. I was
looking at the score while you weremaking your final argument, thinking, holy
(45:28):
ship, are we about to havea hung jury here? Or we're gonna
have to because Pod didn't put ina proxy bote. I asked pr D
before the show if if you wantedto put in a proxy boat. I
didn't. I didn't hear from him. So oh, he hasn't seen the
movie yet. He and PJ haven'tseen the movie. I know Chris is
going to be a freaking livid nowbecause he wanted Yeah, Chris, Chris,
(45:50):
there's already living. Look at this. I believe I'll get any nominations
for Oscars and the winner is youknow, you know, I think I
think it might get some nomination.I think Ryola Davis, like you said,
he's gonna get a nomination. Ithink the script might get a nomination
because it was a blacklisted script,right that got made that Yeah, it
was a blacklisted script that I can'tremember. It was actually took over the
(46:14):
script with beneficcan that damould help withpenning it out eventually. But there was
another Jeremy somewhere, No Connory,someone Jeremy Connery something like that. I
can't remember by heart. But yeah, I think Air will get some love.
But Air got love on Class ActionAir versus Moneyball. Air came out
on top because Air is on top, and let's send this, Okay,
(46:44):
do you want to talk about thenext one that that we're going to do?
I mean, I kind of alludedto it is that next? Is
that the next one that we're officiallydoing? Yeah? I think so?
Do you want to lock it infor I'm getting we're getting really intelligent movies.
I like this because the show.The show is called class action,
but like we did a whole runof like putting eighties action movies against each
(47:08):
other, doing something a little different. We'll get back to the Jesus action.
I mean, look, we gotMission Impossible, the new Mission Impossible
coming up. That's gonna be that'sgoing to be heavily featured on the show.
I'm putting in that we should doa Mission Impossible tournament, but you
know that's that's what that will reopenthe p s H versus Cavill argument.
(47:32):
And I don't think we need toreally go through that. But is going
to polarize you? Easy, easy, Easy? Where came the folks find
you? Oh no, I didn'teven say well, I was so busy
looking for the thing to close theshow up, but I wasn't even concentrating.
(47:55):
We are going to be doing theSocial Network versus Steve Jobs mm hmm,
and then maybe after that we coulddo the Big short versus Wall Street
or something like that. Is itboth movies by Aaron Sorkin? In some
regards? Isn't Steve Jobs directed byAaron Sorkin? Isn't it that? Or
was that? Or was that Fincher? I think it was Fincher. Oh
(48:19):
no, it was Danny Boyle Mybad Danny Boyd but Aaron Pennant. Yeah,
and the Social Network directed by Pincher. Mhmm, okay, so that
will be in a couple of weekstime. We thank you everyone in the
chat for joining us. We knowwithout Paul it's kind of a an easier
sell, but we missed Paul.I haven't done other than holy snokes.
(48:44):
We haven't done a class action withthe three of us in a while.
I missed Paul. We give himship, but I do miss it.
We get we give pull ship butlike he does the same. Lost.
It's fine. We need we needto have PJ on the show at some
point as well. We need toget PJ back on. Yeah. This
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