Christian Bale vs Hugh Jackman

PLD, Matty, and Jarvi take a look at the past, present, and future of these two powerhouses who have shown their mettle as both dramatic and superstar actors! Who is greater?

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That's a little challenge. But alrighty, let's talk about today's topic. Uh
topic. We have, of course, two of the greatest I don't know,
I don't know if I say twogreatest actors of our time, but

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two of the greatest showmen of ourtime specific Glay. They are great actors
there you did see what I didthere. They're not in the shadows any
longer, but they are definitely stalwartsof Saw. We say the action family,
so to speak, Christian Bale,of course Batman, as well as
many other cool, cool, coolroles. And we have Hugh Japman,

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who is probably best known for Wolverine. So Batman versus Wolverine in real time,
in real place. This is avery interesting category for us. We
had been kind of caught up doingour movie versus movie for quite a while.
We did a bunch of series ina while. We just finally finished
up our Leath the Weapon Versus Diehardseries, which was a lot of fun.
But check goes out. But weare doing something a little bit different.

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We did a lot of these duringthe first run of Class Action,
a lot more of these. Rather, we are putting a two actors up
against each other. Obviously, thatchanges our format a little bit. We
have instead of talking about specific categoriesabout the films, we're talking about the
actors of their different roles, notspecific movies. It's their entire filmography,
past, present and also future.I do love both of these guys.

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Do you have a snap judgment picked, Jarvy when you hear these names?
What's if you have a Huge jackmoviecoming out, a Christian Bell movie coming
out, nothing further, You can'tdecide anything else? Which one are you
gonna see first? Okay, sothis kind of blends into one of my
categories. So I don't want toanswer which movie would I go to watch?

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If I just had to pick who'sgonna win this match? To me,
it's a coin toss. I loveboth of these guys for very different
reasons. But if I had topick, Uh, bail No, Jackman,
No bail. Fuck, I can'tchoose bail. I love watching Jarvy

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School. No, it's gonna beJackman, Jackman, you're gonna go.
You're gonna go with huge Jackmans boys? Is that you're going with Madi?
No, I'm going with Christian Ball. Interesting? Interesting right away? Can't
pick a topic that is amazing tome because I have the I had the
feeling this was gonna happen. Thisis one of those cases where we love
both of them and go back andforth in our minds. This is not

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a clear cut winner. I couldflip a coin right now and it could
go either way. I'd be happymy snap judgment. Now further Ado,
I'm gonna go Boom. I thinkit's gonna be Jackman. I think it's
gonna be Jackline. I don't knowwhy. I think it's Jackman. Wow.
It has a bit more commercialness tohim that makes it more uh or

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admirable. I'm not admirables wrong,We're more enjoyable. I don't know.
Wasn't the one that wasn't find outthough the categories, because that's always how
we do things. A BLD projectsclass action, we put things up in
five or six special made categories.Now we figure out which one is gonna
win via this competition. I wantto say also in the chat there in
santy has, I don't know whothat is. I believe that's my friend

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Brave, but that is awesome tohave you here in our chat. Of
course, Galactus always here doesn't wearhockey pads, that's true. And doesn't
skip leg day either. Let's givea leg day either. That's absolutely true.
And I guess you are there.You hello? All right, let's
see, all right, let's goon then to our first game. I

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say first game. It was reallyour only game. We only did one
game for show before we move onto the meat of these shows. We
could do the IMDb game as well, if if you guys think we have
time, we could, but I'dlike to let's not do that today.
I think we should. Let's not, because I've looked up what they're known
for. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, We're donblet leave

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the weapon, Matty stop. Okay. So instead of the wheel round,
which we had introduced recently, thewheel round was where we took up this
wheel. We spun the wheel andwe would take one of the acts were
actor was on the wheel. Wehad ten actors and we would insert them
into wherever the movie of the weekwas. Just being not a movie versus
movie, we had to change thingsup a little bit. So instead of

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the wheal round, we're gonna dorole reversal. In this case, we
are going to recast a role ineach of the filmography with the other actor.
We're gonna place Christian Bale into ahuge Jackman role and likewise put a
huge japan into a Christian Bale role. What we would want to see This
is gonna be interesting for sure,because they got these guys. Do you

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have a little bit of a similarityto them. They both have the action
set pieces, they both have theshowman side, they both have some dramatic
shops. They both are known forbeing very intense. So is it gonna
be very different? I don't knowif would be very different no matter what
we decide, but either way,let's get into it. Wants to start,
I'm gonna knock her, I'm notgonna who. I don't care who's
gonna want to start? Jarvi,You're starting. That's going to be going

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with us? Bayolola Jackman, whateveryou want, whatever Jarviy decides. All
right, let's go with Christian beltfirst. Okay for putting Christian Bale into
a huge the role. Okay,wait before you start, we already have
it over see and he has toswitch them to Prestige. That makes sense
to me. You could do that. This is this is actually this is

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one of the reasons why I thoughtof this matchup in the first place.
There was there was an interview somewhereI think Bail and Japman both were on
a podcast doing an interview and theycalled it the Prestige Reunion, and I
was like, huh, interesting,I think we should do that on the
show somehow. So here we are. Here we are. But Christian Bale,

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so he he isn't really known for, you know, his happy roles.
He's more of an intense guy.So I would definitely switch him in
The Greatest Showman. I want tosee how Christian Bao with dance, sing,
laugh, tiptoe around, do whatevercrazy Shenan against Hugh Jackman is doing,

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just to see if he could pullit off. I think think like
he would definitely give it at all, but could it be a believable performance
like, I really want to seethat. Wow. I mean, the
only thing he could have done thatwould have been more crazy to me it
would have been to put him inLama's rom but the greatest shot out of

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it. But that's because Lamy's Rebelis an Oscar nominated role. I want
him to be completely in a commercialtype of role. Okay, Okay,
can't Christian Bale hack that? Imean, he wasn't Newsy Kevin Smitz's always
a shout out to Kevin Smith's.I love Kevin Spence around here, very

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interesting call. Can he pull itoff like japan Ken? I don't know
if he can't. I don't thinkhe can. I don't I don't think
I don't either, But that's whyI want to see it. Okay,
He's the thing that he's so goodat everything. He could surprise us,
absolutely could. Absolute God, Iwould be interested in seeing that. I
will be. I don't think hedoes it better, but I do think

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he has a chance of potentially surprisingus again, Like, yes, he
did the musicals in the past,so he has a potential. I don't
know. I'll be interesting to see. I mean he did some dancing too,
obviously, in American Psycho. That'spretty great dancing roles. I love
that movie. So all right,all right, Maddie, what about could

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you imagine what Jacklin would say whenyou found out that Christian Bay was doing
the Greatest Showman sequel? For example? So this isn't my pick, but
can you imagine that scene the flexin the Marascene but with Hugh Jackman's body?
Ooh, I would be intriguing that. That's not my pick, though,

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you gotta switch mine out. Mypick is I am swapping Christian Brow
for Hugh Jackman in Real Steel becausewe've already seeing Christian Bell do it in
The Fighter. You know what,that's a class. He's got the moves,
that's a very Yeah, Christian Bellcould definitely hack that out. I

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mean that would be. The funnything is, I don't know if Christian
Bale quite has the I mean,he has charm, but it's a different
kind of charming Jackman. I feel. I don't know if Christian Beale every
man chilen right, yeah, yeah, exactly, So I don't know if
it quite works the same way asJackman do that, But I guess that's

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why we're switching him out. Tosee what a different role it would be.
I do like the idea. Ido like the idea. It's definitely
a far safer choice than the GreatestShow in You just heard me say that,
and he woke up in a coldsweat because I know he loves real
steel say He's like, what whatwhat he does? Do that? Okay?
Cool? I just want to sayhey to Matt Mattie Currents and the

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chat Batman Veru wolver Wolverine wins thefight, that's all, Okay, that's
funny. I was watching an instantmax them both. I was watching an
interview with them both for by toprepare for this, and they talked about
one day when their careers are allwashed up and everything, then bringing back
as Batman and moving to fight eachother in a movie. I thought that
was pretty funny, as the DChas always said, if you give Batman

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enough time, you can pretty muchdefeed anybody. So that's you got to
keep that in mind too. Sothat's it, alrighty already, alrighty.
So I guess it's my turn then, Okay, who would I what role
would I please? I want toput Christian Bale into a series of movies

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as you Jackman did that maybe didnot get its due. It's not really
a series in which I got reallyone movie with an animated spin off.
I think Christian Bale could hack VanHelsing, yes, because as that kind

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of already dark brooding, he cando the dark and bruging just as easily
as well as Jack and Kidd,And I think his charm and his intensity
actually pushes that Van Helsing character intoa more direction that needed more than Jackman
could give it. In a way. It's a little bit darker, a
little bit more intense, a littleless Jackman has that charismatic side to him

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that Bail doesn't quite have. Doesn'tquite have it again, it's a very
weird kind of differences. But Ithink that Christian Bale could push that to
a totally different direction, making alittle bit more serious, a little more
adventurous in a way. And Ilike, I would like to see that.
You think Helsing as well? Yeah? Do you think Van Helsing suffered
because of the tone. I thinkI think I think the tone of Van

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Helsing was actually so so I don'tknow. Now Van Helsing feels like it's
sort of become this, you know, it's so bad. It's kind of
enjoyable watch right. I think it'sI think it's a very fun watch now.
But I don't know if you madeit super serious. I I love
Bail in the role, but Iwonder if changing up the tone would fix
the movie. I don't know.I don't know. It's hard to decide.

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It's been a long time as I'veactually seen the movie. I'm not
gonna lie, but I would liketo give it a shot and see if
a little more serious angle could pushit in a further direction. I mean,
maybe you don't need it, Maybeyou need to go to the other
direction. Maybe this is exactly thetone we need for a universal like a
horror mode. You need Adam Sandlerin the role. I think I'd be
a little bit of step too far. Perhaps I do love that idea,

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though, just trying to throw backinto the chat Men movies and Bail.
It's a different kind of charm.I Canford for Ferrari. You can't tell
me Bales and charming absolutely can absolutelyKen. I'm just trying to I'm a
hard time articulating, but there's justa different kind of charm I feel like.
But right, there's a word forit, but I don't want to
say it now because again it's inone of my categories. Okay, we'll

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get back to that. Then howabout that? And you know what,
you're right, Actually I was disappointedof it. Helsing the demisequel, I
thought I have potential to have agood series two. It would be kind
of cool. Before we move onto our other side, flipping the role
of matt movies, Mattie Curran saying, I want to put Hugh into Terminator
Salvation as John around, which issomething I did think about as well,
and Bail into Bad Education. Thatis actually another interesting idea. I didn't

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think of that one, to behonest with you, that could work out
quite well. Maybe there's any thoughtson that. On Bad Education. I
watched Bad Education, shouts out FranchisBoltziman, like he recommended me watch it
in like preparation for this, andI was surprised that this that movie didn't
get more acclaimed, didn't get moreattention because Jack good, yeah, really

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good, really really really good.It's good friends. Like I'm saying about
like embezzling through the school system andstuff, which oh yeah, that's based
on a true story right where they'rewhere people try to put their kids through
school, like pay off some fort. Yeah. Yeah, and got some
great great casts obviously, besides Japanels, Alison, Janny, Alex Wolfson as

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well Romano's in it. It's good. It's a good film film. I
think Belle could have could have hadthat Real pretty well though. I think
that would have been a good show. It's good turn I do. How
do say that? Okay, allright, let's move on and let's go
back to you. Let's put Jackmaninto a bail role. So I had

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one that I kind of don't wantto use now I had I had,
I had him as Patrick Bateman,but now kind of I don't know.
It feels like Maddy already called it. So now I'm gonna I'm gonna pick
that one. You can, butthat's that's how you mentioned it. Now
it's like the magic is over.Like I'm gonna I'm gonna flip it the

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other way. When when Maddy saidhe's gonna put Christian Bale into real Steel,
I'm gonna put Hugh Jackman in thefighter and I want to see him
physically transform into this you know,drug addict. Try to see what he's
like there because I think Hugh Jackmanwould have had better chemistry than Mark Wahlberg.

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So I love them, but Ithink that could have been a more
interesting parent parent. I actually thinkI do think he Jackman's personality would have
changed that tone just a smidge,but not necessarily for the bad. I
think it actually could make it.I don't know if i'd say think it
better no, no, just thosetwo together, I feel like, yeah,

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Wahlberg and Bail is kind of aweird pairing. I can think of
it. They they are. Ithink Jackman and Wahlberg are more of a
natural parent in a way. Butmaybe the odd pairing is what makes it
work so well potentially, But Iwould be interesting to see how that would
work. I love both of yourtrying to make this work. Jerry's actually
obvious fucking rockers, but I'm justgonna not. I can you have to

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stars that calib together without the egosclashing, Without that we're not the egos
clashing, but the two of themfighting for the space. H I mean,
That's what I would be interested tosee, because not so much on
Hughes side, on Mark's side,mm hmm. Interesting. Interesting would Mark

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be willing to share the spotlight withsomeone as big and like bombast and bright,
this huge Japman, because Christian Bellis like he's very shows up,
does the work, does what he'stold, not what he's told, but
like does what he's there to do, does it great, and then goes
home interesting. Oh yeah, butyou know that's a good point. I

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think that's part of what I wastrying to say as far as their different
personalities that Christian Bill hu Japmans isdefinitely much more of the outgoing kind of
personality where he shines more brighter.Bill tends to be more of an internalized
after cart. Yea, I wouldn'tmind say that. That's that's that's why

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I'm picking. I'm not picking theperfect fit. I'm picking the one that
I want to see that'll be weird. Okay, all right there Maddie talking
about it. Mine is actually somewhatof a weird pick as well, and
it is actually a prestige related.I am swapping Hugh Jackman for Christian Belle
in Velvet gold Mine. Fuck inone Jack Velvet Goldman, the Ziggy Star

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Dust inspired That's what my name isBory movie because Jackman worked off and there's
interviews where Bay always pissed that Jackmanwas the one that got to work with
Bowie. So having Hugh Jackman,who can sing, has that very artistic
flare the showmanship, putting him oppositeBowie in Velvet gold Mine. Absolutely absolutely,

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No, honestly that was my initialpick as well, because it's same
for examme exact reason. I feelthat just again, this is like it's
going throughout my entire conversation here,but the fact that who is this more
outgoing personality, more shining, moregreatest showman type. I think that fits
in very well with the Velvet goldMine vibe, which is all about basically
all about that. It's a morered show, more classic rock angle of

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it. Obviously glam rock angle ofit. But I think that would have
been really kind of a cool thingto see. So I do like that
pick quite a bit. I lovethat movie. It's been a long time
since I see it. I thinkit, Chari, what are you think
about? Have not seen it?You've never seen the Goldman? Oh okay,
I can't even find it on Ican't even find it in his filmography.
Yeah, it's a nineteen ninety eightin Ny eight. It's McGregor and

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it's a good, good film.It's a great film before its time.
Really, I think, okay,real quick, before I get to mine,
I'll throw out some more chat chat. Matti Gunner, Mattic not Matty
Gunner, Maddy Currents saying Hugh Jackmanplacing Bail and Empire of the Sun,
a fifty four year old Jackman Like, it's well, drills reefs would like

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to see Hugh in American Psycho orShaft two thousand. I think you Jackman
would have fit Shaft is a villain'srole in Shaft two thousand. See Jackman
in that one scene in the AmericanPsycho. Well, yeah, I know
you do. I thought I wantedto see him as Shaft. I was
like, what it's saying, Markshared the screen well with Farrell and the

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other guys. That's a good point, true, But that again, that's
Will Ferrell. Will Ferrell is notlike the type to come in and really
fight. Yeah, he's not.He's not a peacock. He's just like,
okay, one of my lines.Cool, how can I make this
funny? It's also it's a differenttone of film obviously too, where you're
like the more out there, thebetter in the way, the more,
the more over the top, youboth thought, the better the movie is

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to degree, the fighter is definitelya different kind of role in that in
that sense, all right, SoI was thinking about Globe by myself,
but I did have an offet ortwo that I was thinking about, so
I can I could still pay myway here, pay my dues, so
to speak. It's a movie againI haven't seen in a long time,
but I kind of feel like Icould do it a little bit of more

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adventure in a way. Then thata little more adventure that Jackman could give
it versus Bill. I'm gonna gowith a little two thousand and two film,
Rain of Fire. Oh yeah,yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
I love this movie. I feellike it's an underrated classic. It doesn't
get talked about very much. Butyou got Matthew McConney and it, you

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got Jerry b in it. Ithink adding adding a Hugh Jackman's zest at
his adventure, I think that wouldmake this film even better. I thought
Bail did a bad job. Bailldid a great job in it. I
think that just Jackman add a littlesomething to it, which I would be
excited to say, yeah, allright, all right, there we go.

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Just want to say, hey,everybody gotta ghost andres Geas. I
love this guy. Good to seeyou in chat And uh, what about
the machinist, Jammin and the machinist. I don't know if you can get
that, skinny, that's thin.I was watching an interview him the other
day and he says he's been eatingsix thousand calories a day to boke up

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for Deadpool three, don't I don'tknow if he could, but if he
could, go for it. Butwhen you said a little known film in
the two thousands, I thought youwere gonna go eat. I thought you
were gonna put a bait and switchand go equilibrium. Yeah, you know
what, that would have been cooltoo. Actually I would have replace the
angus screaming instead the bad guys faiththen it goes instead. That's what would

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have done to That would have madethat a better movie, potentially. I
just want to say, real quick, also throwing in chat there, Christian
Pale play one of the bad guys. Yes, yes, that's true,
you played one of the best badguys two thousand. That's a solid film.
It's fun. Yes, we weretalking about rail of Fire briefly,
we just had to say we wereputting Hugh Jackman into the random fire.
Roll onto this right already. Let'sgo to our meat of the show,

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our categories, and we're going tode sermon who is the ultimate winner?
Here bail or Jackman? And herewe go our categories r s follows.
One better dramatic actor, two moremarketable actor, three more iconic roles,

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four more consistent filmography, and fiveprobably the most interesting category to me,
better future potential. The buy orsell. Who are we going to look
forward in the future to being moresuccessful or have the potential to be more
successful? We are going to startwith a better dramatic actor, Maddie,

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I'm going to leave it to you. I think I gotta give this one.
Christian bo When I was in collegein film studies, we had to
do a essay comparing the two versionsof Three Tender Yuma. And that's when
I really like clicked with Christian Bellewas an actor, not a movie star

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like I think at this point i'donly seen him in Equilibrium and the Batman
movies. I think that's all I'veseen him in at this point. That
moment when they're sport in Russell Croweto the I forget the name of it.
I did a whole bloody essay.I come wherever the prison town is

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and they're in the house and he'sthere with his wife. He's like,
I'm tired of the way that theboys look at me. I'm tired of
the way that you don't. That'sa really like. I was like,
oh damn, Like this dude canact act, and like his whole back
and forth with Russell Crowe that wholemovie who Russell Crowe was absolutely on fire
for that entire movie. I waslike, this dude is more than a

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movie star. And then then youcan go to how Patrick Bateman he can
show zero emotion and then suddenly he'sDicky Ackland in the Fighter like a complete
switchover. Complete opposite. Jackman islike he's the you know, he's more
of a movie star. It's thoughacted versus movie star debate. Can he

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act yes? Is he attractive?Yes? Can he try the shit out
of an audience? Yes? Hechecks every box? While Christian Bell doesn't
check every box. I think hedoes more than that with the ones that
he can do, whereas Jackman ismore like, can he do this?
Yes? Can he do this?Yep? Yep. He can do it
all, but he can't. Hedoesn't really excel in everything. Everything Bail

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does he excels it all right.I like where hads that. In fact,
I'm going to jump on board withyou at this point because I want
to say, given that today wasthe Oscar nominations, and I'm not gonna
talk much about that because i haven'thad a chance to real let it sink
in. I look at that specificallyjust as a as a starting point.
Bail has had four nominations and onewin. Jackman has had one nomination.

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Now, is that the end alland be all? No, of course
not. Of course it's not theend all y'all. However, I think
Christian Bale has had more of agrounded background in things. I mean,
he starts in the evening, inthe movies Empire, The Son, Henry,
The Fifth, Little Women. Hehas a lot of these like straightforward,
more dramatic chops, and he's moreof a he sinks more into his

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roles, I believe than Jackman does. I believe Jackman. When you look
at a movie and you see HughJackman starting starring there's a little bit of
the that's Hugh Jackman. He's playingHugh Jackman. Even as Wolverine, He's
still kind of playing Hugh Jackman toa degree. And that's not necessarily a
bad thing. I mean, BruceWillis survived for years, that's what Bruce

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Willis did, said a lot ofDenzel the Rock does that even worse.
That is absolutely he's more of acurrent one given that, given that in
times, that's why we said beforeI couldn't see Christian bial doing I'm sorry,
I couldn't see Hugh Jackman doing themachinists like Christian Bill did because that's
kind of the development of the craftthat he has. I mean, he

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goes to whatever the insane degree ofthe machinist and that's the bull up for
Batman and then box up for Vice. Even Morgan him was off a good
old give old pld gut there anduh absolutely, And it's not just the
physicality of it, well that's partof it. He definitely has more of
a I don't care about the hedoesn't really seem to care about the financial

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side of things. It's not aboutconnecting with the audience as far as a
making and dramatic, making it afranchise. Whatever he happened to get well
with Batman absolutely to get when Batman. He did get into the MCU,
but again he totally disappears in thatrole of Gore in a way that two
Jackman I don't thing really could have. So at the end of the day,

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I'm not gonna slight Hugh Jackman becauseHugh Jackman has had quite a few
amazing roles as well. I thinkhe did get his nomination for lamas Rob
his portrayal of John val John wasextraordinary. No one knew what to expect
from him. I don't think anyone. I think, if I remember correctly
that I could be wrong. Peoplewere not looking forward to his or Russell

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Crowe for that batter and they bothkind of went, I'm gonna show you
how it's done. And they werewidely accepted for being for being a pretty
pretty damn good in the roles.And if you look at something like Prisoners,
I mean, he was intense andat his pure Hugh Jackman best in
Prisoners intensity island He's ever quite matchedan intensity as in Prisoners, but it's

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definitely strong. But he's also Ialmost also want to convince myself to give
it to Jackman for the for thesimple fact of Logan, because he took
a comic book character character known inlove by millions, a franchise character,
and made something real with it,like Logan is probably the most real comic

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book movie as far as that goes, which while still being a comic book
movie. You could argue that Baildid that with the Dark Knight trilogy with
with Nolan, but I still feellike Japan felt like a comic book book,
but still felt like a comic bookcharacter, but was still don't at
the dramatic chops. With that beingsaid, going back and forth, and

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I'm still gonna give it. I'mgonna give it to Bail just for those
his dramatic chops. It's just abit better. So I'm gonna go with
Bail. You joining us. Thisis definitely Bails category, But it is
it is a lot more closer thanI initially thought when I was thinking about
this category. So okay, sothis is a Bail category easily. But

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if you look at Hugh Jackman's roles, I mean the Fountain, I mean
that's a profound performance. I lovethat movie. I love the performance,
the prestige. Both of them arefreaking amazing. In that one you mentioned
the Prisoners, I don't think Prisonersis where he's he's Hugh jackmannist. I
think this is where he truly disappears. This is I There are these angry

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moments, sure, these wolverine moments, but he's I'm transported when I'm watching
that movie. I don't see Hughjack winning that when I just see a
father who's on the brink of losinghis shit, just and for good reason.
And one movie that he really deserveda nomination for this year, The
Sun. Hugh Jackman in the Sunwas I'd say one of his career best

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performances. That was an amazing movie. So he's he and I feel like
he's I think Jackman has the capabilityto rival Bail in this category, but
I think where Bail takes it,it's it's intensity, and he's sort of
I don't know method way of approachingthe craft of acting. He's just he's

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so deep into the low and deepI don't know method, I feel like
is the word to go with here, whereas Jackman will always be like,
yeah, I'm going to do agreat role but just bas gonna just he
would kill himself for a good role. I feel like, all right,
I real quiques. Want to jumpto the chat, and we got Andreas

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saying, fuck the best role,talk about the ending he saw for Prisoners
at a test training that I'd liketo talk to you about. I love
that movie. Uh, and Sanyasays, well, love his Prisoners jackman.
That's why I love him. That'sone reason I love him as well.
I will say, I get whatyou're saying, Jerry Woife, continue
with the chat. I get you'resaying about him disappearing to the role in
Prisoners. I think I meant morethat at his intense moment, that's when

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the Jackman snuck out. That's whereI loved him. But I love him,
and I thought he could have gota nomination for that role as well.
I thought it was really well deserved, especially for as Andrea says that
scene in the car and uh,oh it's powerful. Yeah, it's so
powerful. Do you know do youguys know I have I actually have a

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friend who didn't like Prisoners. I'mnot gonna name him because they were I
can see they would be absolutely ashamed, but yeah, they I was at
that house, and they went inlike a five minute right about everything they
hate about Prisoners, and I justtuned off like that second, like you're
you're crazy, You're insane. Icould see somebody, I could see somebody

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not wanting to watch Prisoners again,exactly disturbing, disturbing, very well.
No, he just didn't like it. He just thought it sucked. That's
what I was, just like,that's just what's wrong with you? That's
absolutely wrong. I also need tocomment glacious and chat saying shame peel the
History of Violence with that, Harrisis a more real comic book movie than
Logan. Yes, but that's notexactly what I meant by a real comic

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book movie. I meant because Wellis much more of a comic book.
A History of Violence is a comicbook movie, but it doesn't feel like
a comic book. It's like moreof a Graft novel. It's a serious
story, just done in Graft novelform. Wolverine is an actual comic book,
like a real it's kind of gota comic flavor. If that doesn't
made real, that means that makessense, that makes sense to you guys
in that Yeah, okay, goodand as I had Harris mentioned for the

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week. There it is. Ihad to get in there somewhere forgiving it
something. And by the way,the son I haven't got. I haven't
got a chance to see the sonyet. I'm not gonna lie, so
I will have to take a lookat that or there. But all right,
so we are done with that category. And it looks like Andre's actually
agrees. It looks like everybody's kindof agreeing with us overall. Seems that
in the chat that theaker that bailprobably wins the better dramatic chops or better

(35:45):
dramatic actor. So let's move onto more marketable. And I'll start with
this one. I think this iswhere exactly what I mean about my entire
Japman ran before, about everything I'vetalked about. I think Jackman is easily
the more marketable of the two.I think Christian Bale has done well in

(36:06):
certain roles. I mean, hegot the Batman role, but even his
Dark Knight trilogy was more about thevillains. It is more about you know,
got Heath Ledger in there, andKillian Murphy even overtastes a little bit
in my eyes. And the Batmanbegins and Tom Hardy and It's Dark Knight
Rises. He's gotten some great success, absolutely got some great success. American

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Psycho is definitely a great success forhim. But in terms of overall,
got like a jack inside. Jackmanhad that Greatest Showman is like the kingpin
of that. It's kind of likethat is what he does. He's marketing.
He's a salmon dance man. Hecan do action, he can do
comic books, he can do dramaticchops with Lama's rob he can do that

(36:52):
kind of thing. And he's beeninto movies that seem to be more commercially
even if they're not successful, they'remore commercially one. They're easier to market,
easier to to sell. And that'sagain why Christian Bale goes. I
think when's the dramatic chops because hegoes to more maybe challenging roles. Potentially
challenging is not the right word becauseit's like Hugh Jackman is taking it easy,

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but they're more focused on being dramaticand not necessarily marketing. Hugh Jackman
is the guy who can leave theoscars. You can put him in an
Oscar. Thank you, Oscar,Thank you to Thanking. Andre's the chat
just as I say that right there, he's a true performer, film actor,
oscar host, stage actors, stagesinger. That's exactly why I think

(37:34):
he can do all of that,whereas Christian Bale is Christian Bale a great
actor. So at that point Ihave to say, I have to give
this a Jackman is definitely by farthe more marketable of the two. Jarvey
hit me up, what do youthink? Yeah, there's just going going
with the grain here. I thinkI think I think that bail does have

(37:58):
like a lot more marketability, marketabilityand you would think, like he has
done those commercial roles. He showedthat in like being in four, like
doing the press junkets, he wasway more and I'm gonna say the word
now that I didn't want to saybefore. He showed that he has this
side of approachability about him that HughJackman has loads of Like he's't you feel

(38:21):
like you could just go up tohim, talk to him. He's gonna
thank you, he's gonna take apicture with you, he's gonna send you
on your merried way if you ifyou go up to Christian Bale, he
might smack you, he might curseyou, off. I mean, he
could say he's a nice guy,I'm sure, but you've all heard his
rant on not not a movie thatyou should maybe be too method. Him
terminted a salvation and he was completelyinvested. He went on ten percent into

(38:45):
this role which did not require it, but that's how he respects his craft.
But there's something about dramatic actors doingcommercial Like if you would put Christian
Bale in a DC or a Marvelmovie. Now, okay, he's been
in a Marvel movie, but itwas a villain. But if you put

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him as a heroic character in eitherDCOR or Marvel or in god forbid star
Wars, you would be what.I want to see that like you would
never do Star Wars. You definitelywant to see that you are enticed by
the idea. Same thing that wasfor eternals like Chloe e Zal I say

(39:30):
her name or yes, like thefact that they announced that an Oscar winning
director is doing a Marvel movie.Now that sort of that gets everyone going,
that has great marketability in it,And I feel like if they announced
Christian Bale in a very commercial role, now everyone would be on board.
But I think it still comes downto not just the roles, but the
way you are off screen and theway you're promoting your movies, Like Hugh

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Jackman sort of is this Ryan Reynoldstype. We just you know, you're
definitely gonna want to see his movieswhen when you hear his interviewers and his
feature atte So yeah, I stillgot to go with you, Jackman,
even though I think Biale has alot more to offer it than we would
initially think. Okay, okay,that Maddie ground us up. What's going

(40:13):
on? I think Jackman is aI must, actually I musta start with
Christian Bell should not be able towalk down the street without a crowd of
swarming behind him. With how talentedhe is and how like how many massive
marquee movies that he's been in.He should be And I'm not saying he's
not popular, he should be waymore popular. Is like, he should

(40:35):
walk out of any like building he'sin there should be a crowd of people
surrounding it, just because of howtalented he is. But you look at
Hugh Jackman, you look at howhe conducts himself. He conducts himself like
a movie star. He shows upto press junkets, and stuff. He's
in a suit, he's got thebig grin, he's had his teeth white,
and he's like sitting up. He'slike, yeah, I'm really happy
to be here. Like he's verymedia trained, and I'm not saying that

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Christian Bale isn't, but like ChristianBelt, he'll more likely sho up to
an interview or a junket in baggyjeans and a flannel shirt with hair like
mine just all a mess, justlike like, okay, cool, ask
me your questions. I'll be asrespectful and as I can. You know,

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I'll answer the questions to the bestof my abilities, will get out
of it. Jackman is a promotionalmachine. I mean you look at the
stuff he does with Ryan Reynolds,like the little the little vignettes that they
do together for Christmaster. Yeah,like those two are perfect for each other.
And I think it's very interesting TheJovi. You pick the Prestige to

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do this because that is the perfectmovie for those two to be together in
because you have Bail who is themore technical magician, and then you have
Jackman, who's like the big showand the marketing and he wants to be

(42:02):
famous. Because I think that's likethe perfect movie to put those two opposite
each other, because that is essentiallythem in their acting careers. That's them.
They don't really have to act becausethat's them opposite each other. That's
a good point. It's a goodpoint. That's great. That's one of
the greatest points I've heard. Maddie'ssaying on the show and Hugh Jackman,

(42:29):
he really is the greatest showman.He's touring around the world as the greatest
showman. He's doing concerts as Barnabyor whatever his name was. Pg P
P A right, interesting, interesting, real quick on. I throw that
before we move on there. Igot the saying he's a Jackman story Japan

(42:50):
show up at X Men origins beingleaked and he was the nicest and took
a pick on him. That's that'ssweet, especially given how not great that
movie was. Let's say Matt Kurrnsaying Bale is nice. So he did
tell like for the zipper in hisBatman suit. That's true. That's very
important to know, and I thinkthat's all she imagined him to be.

(43:12):
All right, let's move on thensee our next segment. Then we have
more iconic roles. This was tough. M hmm, yeah really, so
you have to me it's more definitive. Do you think man ahead man started

(43:35):
off starts? Well, I thinkChristian Bell has been in roles that have
been defining for him. Coach,really, let's try for a second.
We're back, okay, Well,while us as movie fans, we see
Patrick Bateman, we see Goal,we see like all these characters that Christian

(43:57):
Bell has been using that what iconicroles? What role does Christian Bell have
other than Batman that is more iconicthan Wolverine? Oh more would be his
next one. It would be hisnext one, but it's still not more
iconic. And Christian Bell isn't theBatman. You have other people that people

(44:22):
are just like, no, that'smy Batman, that's my Batman. And
it may be just because we've onlyhad one Wolverine, but tell me one
other person that we could, withoutcertain with absolute certainty, look at Wolverine
and say that's Wolverine. It's HughJackman. He is Wolverine. That's why
they're bringing him back because not probablybecause they're like, Okay, we want

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the dynamic between Hugh Jackman and RyanReynolds, but who else is there.
It's a good point. It absolutelya good point. I will say it's
interesting to see, like you tofind that what is an iconic role?
Is it an iconic role that's aniconic role because of the character itself or

(45:07):
because of the actor in the characterin the role, And that's an interesting
calling. Bail also has John Connor, which is an iconic role, whether
or not he did a great job, or whether it's a good film or
notpulal So, I actually like Turninto Salvation more than a lot of people
do. I wouldn't say that peopleremember Bail as John Connor though specifically,
but that's an iconic role. He'sin that role whether you like it or

(45:29):
not. But a good movie makesan iconic role. So in that case,
I wouldn't say it is so.I just want to I want to
continue about want to bring Maddy asa good point. Maddie gunn not many.
I keep kidding because Mattie, Mattie, Maddie, Mattie kearns. I
think that Bail is great, thatJack was wivering a bail at Babin Fighter

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in American Psycho and saying that AmericanPsyche, it's me He's made in twenty
twenty three. It's a decent point, and Maddy also doesn't that's a fair
argument because we've only had one Wolverine. That argument works both ways, though,
I gotta say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna I'm gonna talk this
one for you, Maddy and atMattie. To Maddy, It's true Bail
wasn't the first to be Batman,and Bail has definitely obviously has a lot

(46:15):
of opponents. As far as youknow, people love Keaton, some people
love Affleck in the role, etcetera, et cetera. I leaving love
Kevin Conroy as that are Batman.We've only had one Wolverine that I can't
think you can argue that against Jack. But neither because quite frankly, been
people hesitant to replace him as Wolverine. They haven't been had replaced Bail as
Batman. I mean, Rob Pattinsonwas quick. They're like, we'll make

(46:35):
it new Badman. Everybody's kind offirst Wolverine, goes, should we make
a new Wolverine? I don't know, because he's so much into the role,
So I get I mean, Isee both sides of that argument.
But going back to my my discussionbefore John Connor is an iconic role.
I think Patrick Bateman is an iconicrole as far as that goes, and
it is still talked about. Amovie has not had a see real sequel.

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Obviously had the rule of attraction,but that wasn't exactly a true Patrick
Bateman sequel. The Machinist was aniconic role for what he did with it.
Like when we talked, nobody wouldtalk about that movie. However,
Bail made that into such an iconicrole because of what he did physically.
He does have Batman, his Batmanturn, which was good, although again

(47:22):
I will actually argue I'm going backand forth by heikes, I'm not quite
clear on where I'm going with myself, because if you're thinking about Batman too,
He's also had his detractors for Batman. People have come up and people
make fun of his Batman voice,like they like, that's what Bail didn't
do anything. He just is thevoice Batman. That's what he is.
He does have the Fighter, hedoes have some other later on Amost ten

(47:45):
miles what somebody would say is aniconic role at this point already, as
for Verus Ferrari specifically, but thenyou go to Hugh Jackman as well,
and I think that people I thinkmost Wolverine is almost a blessing and a
curse. It's a blessing in termsof that is certainly his most iconic role.
If he was gonna, if hedied today, that would be on

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his tombstone he was Wolverine. ButI think it also takes away from some
of his other iconic roles. Ido think Van Helsing is kind of like
an iconic iss role, even thoughit's he's It's kind of like his John
Connor from Terminator Salvation. It's notexactly the most well received movie, but
it's a great role. I thinkhis role in Layman's Rob Jean val John

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is probably more iconic than anything thatChristian Bale got nominated for. To be
honest with you, I loved himin the Fighter, but I think that
his role, I think that heJapman in the role is more iconic.
So didn you gotta talk about thingslike prisoners, which again, is that
an iconic role. I don't know, he's the he's more of the father.

(48:51):
Even knows his character's name. Canyou tell me his character's name right
now? No? No, no, But then you get the Greatest Showman,
and I think as a film thatis mostly loved most other ways.
Some people don't love musicals, don'tlove that kind of thing, and yet

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he's touring the country in that roleexactly. Yet there's a lot to that
role. I think I have togo with Jackman overall. I think I
have to go with Jaqueline overall.He has the biggest one of the two
with Wolverine, and I think asother roles are better than you think they
are because they're overshadowed by Wolverine.So I'm gonna go with with you Jackman.

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Yeah, I don't think there's toomuch to adds. You pretty much
mentioned all the roles. I thinkHugh Jackman's Wolverine, he's Jano John,
He's p. T. Barnum andhis men Helsing are even though it's not
a great movie, and I'm arguingagainst my point what I said, a
good movie makes an iconic performance.In this case, it's kind of iconic

(49:59):
because of how bad the movie was, but it's still a very memorable role
by Hugh Jackman. I think there'sthere's maybe three, mostly two roles that
Christian Bale could be argued for inthis category. Of course Batman, American
Psycho, and maybe the Machinist.But I think people, well everyone know,

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I haven't seen The Machinists from startto finish. I know it's some
pieces of the movie. I prettymuch know the role, but it's still
it is kind of an iconic role, but nothing goes up against how iconic
Hugh Jackman's roles have been. Andyeah, it's it's it's it's pretty difficult
to try to imagine someone else's Wolverine. I mean, there's easy movie star

(50:44):
picks that you could put in there, but I don't. I think I
think the fact that Wolverine is soiconic is the fact that Hugh Jackman had
an uphill battle to fight. Peoplewere like, Okay, he's he's that's
not my Wolverine. He's tall,freaking Australian guy, no freaking way,
and he's you know, he's evenmore iconic as the character. I'd tell
it. On the comic book renditionof him. He wasn't the first pick

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either, wasn't wasn't it Gray Score? Yeah, I want I won't get
get down on your knees. Uhyeah, Oh what a different world we
would live in absolutely. Okay,Well, then let's move on to another

(51:30):
very very difficult category, very difficultcategory. Who has the more consistent filmography?
Taylor Shackman. Does anybody want tofall on the sword? Okay?
All right, he was easier tome than I initially thought. You just

(51:52):
need to bring out some of Jackman'smovies. Then helping Movie forty three,
Pan, Chappy Reminiscence and X MenThe Last Stand? How dare you relations?
But I mean it's an but it'sit's kind of these are these are

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all bombs? Okay? X Menthe Last Stand is a critical bomb,
but the other ones, No,Pan didn't do well. Chappy it almost
ruined. Uh, what's his face'scareer? Neil Blankham Reminiscence God something pandered
by by critics, Lenhelsig's Land Henot loved by critics. Bail does have

(52:34):
a few stinkers in there, Imean Gods and Kings, Exodus that is
a who. There's a Rooks.But apart from that, there's there's only
a recent one Amsterdam, and thatmovie is It didn't do well. It
wasn't loved by the critics. Noone really hates the movie. Either no
one hates it because of Christian male. So this this was quite easily bail

(52:59):
for me. I feel like Jackmanhas more, you know, below average
movies on his on his resume,and just say because I I loved Reminiscence,
I'm just going the usual grade theIMDb scores, the overall critics.
Fine, fine, fine, I'lllet's slap right now. But my one
takeaway is if you haven't seen Reminiscence, you really should go take a look

(53:21):
at them. Very honestly, Ithink it's a very smart, fundsi fi
film that it was definitely missed.It smark as far as audience goes,
But I really enjoyed it. Oneof my favorite films of that year.
Okay, moving on, then,was your favorite of the year, one
of my favorites of that year?It was? It was up there for
me. I really enjoyed it quitequite a bit, quite a bit.

(53:42):
I probably want its biggest advance.I have to rewatch it's been a little
bit since that. I didn't know. I watched like three times in the
beginning. I haven't watched it since, but I want to rewatch it sometime
soon. I agree with what you'resaying to a degree. If I look
at it this way, I lookat both their filmographies, and I see
one reason why Bail is probably goingto win this. For me, he's

(54:04):
more consistent in terms of he wasactually less movies by far. They actually
both of the they have quite quitethe same amount of movies under their belts.
I think Hugh Jackman has sixty somethingsixty two, Christian Bell has fifty
four, so it's not that bigof a difference. But he's just credits

(54:24):
altogether, credits. But if youlook at the phomophies of grouping wise,
grouping wise, like Jackman will havelike three movies in a year. For
two thousand and six, Jackman appearedin six movies. Yeah, Christian Bale,
like at most was like three andthat was barely In two thousand and
five he was in three and oneof them was a smaller role. I

(54:46):
think that Christian Bale is a littlemore choosy in his role, right,
Yeah, that's where it is,none of his He has some misses,
but everybody has some misses. Youcan't go that way. I think that
Hugh Jackman is, for nicer words, what I said earlier, a little
bit more of a whore. Thatthe best way possible, In the best

(55:09):
way possible. I'm gonna have agood time. I'm gonna have a good
time. I throw myself out there. I'm saying I'll dance to act,
We'll have a time relact. Ithink bails are more choosing, and that's
why he will always have the moreconsistent from outa because he's gonna be take
his roles seriously. Some will argueagainst me in terms of thor love and
thunder, but I still think hewas that was a calculated choice. He

(55:30):
just it just didn't work out forhim. And that is coming from someone
who loved commercially and critically. Themovie was very much panned. Let's be
honest. I loved it. Ienjoyed it. Quit a bet, but
it is what it is. Ican imagine. Sorry, No, I
would just say, I do thinkit's gonna be bail for me is more

(55:51):
and more consistent. I can't stoplaughing because I feel like we all love
Jackman, and if we ever sawhim on the street somewhere, all of
us together like you your big slut, and he'd be like what the fuck,
He's like, no, no,no, we love you. It
would kind of like be how Australiansuse I'm not gonna push my lug,

(56:13):
but he used the C word asa term of endearment absolute, but us
Brits and the Oles, He's liketo use that word as a term of
endemmt if we just replace it withslot, like I feel like Hugh Jackman,
I feel like he might be okaywith it. But I gotta go
with Bail on this one solely because, like looking through his IMDb, there

(56:37):
was so many movies that he wasin. I was like, holy shit,
I love that movie and I forgothe was in that, Like Midsummer
Night's Dream, Velvet gold Mine again, shout out Kevin Smatt's he was in
News. He's completely forgot about that. America is like a reign of fire,
equilibrium, the Machinist, Nolan's BatmanTrilogy, the Prestige, Like it

(56:58):
just goes on and on and on, and it's just like Jesus christ Man,
have you ever been in a moviethat wasn't I don't. I don't
think Christian Bell has been in amovie that bombed. Maybe not, like
at least it wasn't successful at leastcritically. Or Amsterdam is the only one
really it was that of a bomb. Yeah, it didn't do almost I'm

(57:24):
just gonna like a lot of Yeah, it's to me thirty one million so
far out of and critics don't likethat at all. Okay, so like
one serious bomb out of his entirecareer. That's like, as Joe mentioned,
like fifty plus credits his name andone of them is like a bad

(57:47):
bomb. Like that's that's fair.That's pretty damn impressive. But like,
I know, people have their issueswith faor Love and Thunder, but I
still maintain go back and watch ourRagnarock versus Love and Thunder episode. Yeah,
I think what is the I thinkGore is the best MCU villain that
we had, and I think theyreally fucked up and it's a missed opportunity

(58:08):
that spoiler alert. They got ridof him after one movie. And I
get that that's a bail thing.He doesn't like doing franchises. He wants
to just come in, make hismarket, then get out. But I
think there was real potential with whatthey could have done with Gore. He's
my absolute favorite MCU villain to date, and I just feel like, like
you said, he's very selective withhis roles because he's like, I don't

(58:31):
want to do all these movies andthen just phone in half of them.
No, he liked as Joby said, he likes to take time prepare for
his roles, sometimes go to theabsolute extremes to prepare for his roles.
But that's why every time he doesit, he knocks it out the park.
I will also, that's why Iclarify, we're not saying that you

(58:52):
jack and his phone a his roleswhen he does too more No, no,
no, he doesn't phone his role. He definitely doesn't take it seriously.
But I do agree with your pointmat about that Current's actually is a
good point as well. You justsay that he thinks in the bad movies
that Bill is in not ever becauseof him exactly. Amsterdam. So do
you know the reason why why ChristianBaiale is getting these awesome roles on It's

(59:15):
because Leo DiCaprio is passing on them. That's true, he said that in
an interview. Really, I willforever think like every one of us,
he said, should thank Leonardo DiCapriofor passing on these worlds. Otherwise I
wouldn't have a career. Yeah,Leo gets offered everything and Bio is pretty

(59:37):
much to the next same line.So what you're saying is what Leo wants,
bo gets, Well, he doesn'twant Leo doesn't want. Yeah,
guys, I'm still trying to likehold onto the lethal Then you just said
what Leo wants Leo gets, that'swhat you could say. Okay, Lea

(01:00:00):
gains, but what bats Well,well Leo doesn't want bail again, that's
exactly all right. Well, let'smove on into our final category. This
has been a slobber knocker, avery close fight at this point. Category
again, slabber knocker. Slabberknocker.Yeah, obviously translate to a dumb European

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What is the slobber knocker, becausethere's no way that word exists. You're
obviously not a wrestling fan WWF jR. Jim Ross used to say it
all the time. And your oldslaber knocker have a fight. It's like
a knockdown, drag out. It'sthe big one lbbery. So we're moving
on to the final category, whichis better future potential Of the two actors,

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who are you buying on? Youhaving to make a choice who's gonna
be more successful in the future.That could mean critically and also commercially,
so you got to keep that inmind as we go through it. I
will say that it's there's a lotto be had with this. I thought
about this one quite a bit,quite a bet. Hm. You have

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Christian Bale, who has obviously,like he said, he's very choosy with
his roles. He seems like hecould be put in any time. He
could be put into a like adirector could put him into any into a
role like just made for him tobe an Academy Award winner, like you

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wouldn't be surprised if anytime he's putinto a role that also is catable at
the top. That's what he wentwith with an Amsterdam. It obviously didn't
work out his favor, but that'sthe kind of christ he is. Hugh
Jackman, on the other hand,just can't not be successful at this point.
I feel like even if his movies, let if he leaves movies,

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they don't offer automatically, I'm goingto Jackman now, bail. Jackman has
had his bombs because of his sluttywaist. He is a big slot.
As we've said, He's had somebombs, But I feel like he also
has more to offer in terms ofin terms just potential, but in terms
of ability. As far as hegoes, you could put him into almost

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every role. You could put himinto a song and dance role. You
can put him into Broadway. Youcould put him into a musical, you
could put him into a I couldsee him in a comedy. I could
see him in a comedy anytime.I could see I could see him in
an action role. I mean he'scoming back to Wolverine. I could see
him in a critically acclaimed role.He can get more roles with someone like
Danifo New He can get that dramaticrole that he that you could get like

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an Austro nomination for Still, Idon't I don't see whereas I think Bail
is more pigeonholed. So Baill couldabsolutely be successful. It sounds weird to
say, PSU, I said that. I don't like I said, pigeonhold
is so hard to pigeon hole becausehe is a He is a chameleon of
sorts. Like I said, hegoes into these different roles that way.

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But I mean pigeonholeds in terms ofhe has one real avenue. He doesn't
like these franchises things he doesn't liketo do his repeated roles. I feel
like he could do almost any role, which gives him a sense of potential.
But I think he Japman just hasmore of a blanket of potential in
terms of he could do almost anything. You could put him in a lead

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role. You could put him inan action franchise. Could you see Bail
really doing an action franchise. I'dhave a hard time seeing it. He'd
want to do one movie and bedone. I could see Hugh Jackman in
a couple of years becoming Liam Neeson, but like but better in a way.
He could have that run of likeolder Man action movies where he could
just have a lot of fun andwill have a lot of couple of success.

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That's why I think Jackman has muchmore of a potential leading for because
he has the acting chops. It'snot like he's again you put up against
Bail. Bail has more acting youknow, credits as far as like acting
goes in Oscar nominations, et cetera. But Japan's not not bad, It's
not necessarily bad, so he couldstill he could work up against that in
a way. But he also hasthe potential of doing more. So I'm
gonna give this to Jackman. Yeah, that's the way we got to come,

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Queen. We were we were laughingour eyes off because of Christal's comments
and I'm sorry, Pore because itkind of ran into your exploit. That's
okay, that one about Jarvey Slabis not all the time that Yeah,
I did hear you. I didhear your point and it was very articulated.
The crystal almost broke me and Iwas so odd. I was like,

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no, no, no, headbefore we move on glass to say
Bail to do the Dark Knight franchise, Yes, he did, but he
doesn't like doing it very often.I feel like he's not gonna do me,
He's gonna do more often, whereasJack and we're doing a Heartbeat,
you do a laps franchise and heartbeatI think you you said it so well.
Is that Bail sort of had.I think Bao has probably reached his

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ceiling, like he's he's pretty muchdone. We know what he's capable of,
and he's been doing it for atleast ten years now. He's been
giving us critical performance after critic performance, getting OSCAR nominations doing the work being
all intense and dark and booty andcan do you know in Amsterdam? I

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think he kind of had a gooffor your role, but the movie itself
bombed. What Bail could do isBail could go the Hugh Jackman route and
try doing like, just do arom com or do a musical, do
something we haven't seen before. ButI don't think he's going to go that
route. And this is why I'mgiving it for exactly the same reasons to

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Jackman, because I don't think we'vetouched the ceiling yet. Okay, maybe
we've touched it, but we haven'tgone through the ceiling yet. He has
so much more potential in that scenario, and I feel like The Sun was
sort of a step in that criticaldirection, and I think there's so much
more, you know ready underneath there. Yeah, well also through out there.

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He did The front Runner in thepast couple of years as well,
now that they're decently I know,completely critically aclaim but he was critically acclaimed
to the role of Gary Hart,So that's another good step in that drought.
And he seems to be flip floppingbetween his critical rules and his more
fun roles as well, he doesthe greatest showing and Logan in twenty seventeen
twosome that is that does the frontRunner. Then he gets to Bad Education,

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but then he hasn't done. Hedoes a cambio and Free Guy does
Reminiscence. He's gonna go back toDeadpool after doing the Sun so he does
do that back and forth a littlebit better now, And that's definitely a
good, good point. You're makingMaddie finish us out there. What do
you say I'm gonna be the contrarian? Okay, I think I think boo
because I think Deadpool Deadpool three isgonna attach a rocket to Hugh Jackman's back

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for a long time. That peopleare gonna be like, oh so you're
back doing Wolverine. Oh when's thenext one gonna be? When when are
you gonna be coming back to doWolverine again? Because if I'm not mistaken
Logan, he said that was thelast one. That it ain't so he's
gonna come and say, oh,well, Deadpool three is gonna be the
lot. That's that's it. That'sthe last time I'm ever gonna play Wolverine?

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Is it? Really? Though?It's like that safety blanket and it's
a pity the legos not in thechat over us today, because I'm going
to equate Christian Beale to an actorthat we bring up very often on this
Nick Cage. I think Christian Bellis going to have a Nick Cage kind
of career and that like he haslike spotted moments where it's like, oh

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yeah, Bale's on a run rightnow, Bell's on and then he kind
of like fades away, but thenNick Cage comes back. He does unbearable
weight. He's gonna be Dracula andlike it's the it's the tortoise and the
hair of it. Like Jackman's gonnahave that rocket on his back, but
Baille's slowly going to be creeping upbehind him. And I feel like in

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terms of like critically, I thinkBale's got it. Does he have it
like the big epic stardom that Jackman'sgot? No, But I think if
we're going to say which one's goingto step away first, I think it
would be Jackman. I think Jackmanis more likely to go into because let's

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not forget like he has a theateractor background and now he's back on stage
performing. I feel like Jackman's goingto go the route of maybe start appearing
on Broadway more and start doing morestage performances later on in his career,
whereas Belle was still going to bepicking these roles. There's like, oh
crap, that's it's Christian Bell.Oh, Christian Bell is still doing a
movie. Oh wow, He's stillknocking out the park. Much like Nick

(01:08:33):
Cage. I feel like it's goingto be very One's going to go one
way, one's going to go theother. And I feel like Jackman's going
to go off and start doing likestage shows, and Christian Bell is going
to keep going with what he's doing. I'm going to strongly disagree with almost

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everything you just said agree with thefirst of all, I'll say Kelly is
saying if Belle's Cage is that madejack Man Cruz, maybe huge cruise.
I comparing Baill to Cage is avery strange thought to me. I kind
of see where are you coming from. Towards the beginning, they both did

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have a run where they were criticallyacclaimed, et cetera. I don't see.
I think Bail is way to chooseyto ever start doing the Cage route
of Cage became quite the slut fora while, or he was just doing
edny movie that came his way.He says he was in particular, but
let's be honest, he was inevery made the DVD. I mean,

(01:09:41):
looking at Cage's career, it justhe has a run of absolute shit.
I don't think you'll ever see thatfrom Bail. And as far as Bail
making a comeback, I don't think. I think you have to go away
to make a comeback. I don'tthink Bale is ever going to quite go
away that much to make a comeback. Age went away straight to DVD and
then made some critically acclaimed movies andhis kind of back in the in the

(01:10:03):
front headlines at this point. ButI don't think Bail has gone away far
enough to do that. He's beentoo consistently there. He had even though
Amsterdam was a bomb, Amsterdam wasa critically it was a critical claimed director
making a movie with a top notchcast. He was a part of it.
Cage couldn't do that. A fewyears ago. Ca wouldn't bild Cage.
I don't know if Cage do thatnow. I think Cage would more

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likely be in a supporting role potentiallyI could see Cage in like a supporting
role like a Tarantino Rule movie orsomething like that. He could do something
like that, but not nearly headingup a cast like that. And then
as far as Jackman goes, Ican't see him ever stepping away because he's
a big horror I think he lovesit too much. I think like he'll
go do his Broadway thinking, sure, I'll do it to a year and

(01:10:45):
go ticket on the road. Buthe's gonna make his appearances here and there,
and like I said, he's beenbouncing back and forth and critically acclaimed
and uh front running shows. Ithink he's got that great balance going on
where he won't need to step away. So just he'll if he's stepping away,
is like going off for six monthsand doing something and then look,
come back and make three movies,or I'll make those sporting roles in three
movies. I just I don't seethat. I mean, yeah, that's

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your opinion. I think what Imeant is with the Cage comparison is it's
going to get to a point wherea few years down the line, we're
gonna be like, oh, crabChristian Bells still out here, knocking it
out of the park. Huh,like we were with Nick Cage. What
if we look at it like financialinvestment terms. Jackman's gonna make me a
lot of money right now. Thatwill maybe, Okay, I'm good for

(01:11:32):
a little bit, but bear isthat steady income over time that I know?
Okay, I'm always going to havethat to rely on. Jackman is
gonna make me a lot of moneyright now, I'm gonna blow through it
really quick, and then I'm gonnahave to wait for the next thing to
come along. Okay, I willtake that. I'd be a little better
if you're if you're telling me thatbail is gonna be more consistent perhaps in

(01:11:55):
the future. I think that wouldjust continue our category choice is that,
yes, She's always be lit moreconsistent in terms of because he's much more
particular with his roles, much morehe chooses with great care his characters and
roles in his career, so he'llprobably more consistent that I'll give you,
But I think Jackman, I wouldbet on Jackman being more overall successful because
Jackman, if Jackman has Jackman hasthe critical chops to stay in the conversation

(01:12:25):
in that range, and he couldsee him again be put into any kind
of role. A critical director couldabsolutely put him in a supporting role,
and he would do a great job, and I could see him getting a
nomineum point, I don't think thatBail has quite the commercial desire to be
in the Jackman type situation where hecould just flip on and do three movies
or do an action franchise, etcetera, et cetera. So okay,

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I mean we already had our conversation. I don't want to repeat what I
was saying before, but so Idefinitely respect your opinion. Well ended up
there, we have finished our backall folks. Before you announced the winner,
Maddie, we were so close toa perfect game. Category by category,

(01:13:10):
we all agreed we could have BillyChap with this. I had to
ruin it. PLD. You tried, you tried your sway, Maddie,
I did. We walked the guyin the ninth I think and forth with
two outs. Uh so perfect gamefor us. But it is that close.
Though, it is that close.This was the class action version of

(01:13:31):
the Ashes. Jab. I knowyou're you're quite a clossy man, so
you know this that you you knowyou like you like cricket, you apprecire
your cricket fan. I'll take thatis no, it's you hit it with
a bath. I thought you werefor some reason, I thought you were
a cricket fan. But yeah,this was like the this was England versus
Australia. This was the Ashes mejust like this was a very good one

(01:13:55):
for us today. I didn't enjoythis. I did enjoy this week.
I really appreciated it, and Ihope everybody else did as well. Without
further ado, the winner of thismatch by a score of eight to seven.
Again, it is you Jackman,d huge Jackman by one point.

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I'm satisfied with that. I'm happywith that. I I think I did
think Jackman's gonna win, and soI'm I have proven right. But it
was by the slimmits of Margins.And I would have been happy either way.
I could, I could. Ilike, I love both going back
and forth with these guys like wealways do. I absolutely love both these

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actors, and if I see themin a movie, I'm very excited and
quite frankly, I wish they say. I wish it's a true Pristige reunion.
Let's see Jacqueline and Bail in amovie together again. That's what I
would like to say. Do youknow what I'd love for both of these
actors to be in is a properhorror movie. I love to see a
horror movie with you, Jackman,and I'd love to see a horror movie

(01:15:08):
with Christian Bale. Horror. Hashe done one? I think he has.
I don't think he has. Well, Christian Bale, Well, no
payable. No, it's not ahorror movie. It's it's a crime mystery
with maybe a few horror aspects becausethere's a big fucking scarey in the Pala
Blue Eye at one point. ButI think that's that's his most recent one,

(01:15:30):
right, Yeah, that's on Netflix. It's a great movie. It's
really good. I mean Van Helsingis horror esque obviously true Batman begins when
Bail goes all fucking you know,interesting sludgey something say, access Gods and
Kings of the horror movie, butnot for the right reasons. No,

(01:15:50):
that was a horrible horor bull movie. Gotcha, gotcha? That'd be cool.
I like to I would like tosee that. But you know,
that's a good point. Put themin the remake of Thing of Stuff.
It would be kind of cool,kind of cool. Although quite frankly,
I think he might more likely tosee Jackman and Ryan Reynolds together in the

(01:16:12):
face off role just because the chemistry, just because the chemist together. Oh
God, how would you not Howmuch fun would that be? How much
would Jackman being Reynolds and Renolds beingJackman, how close they are? That
would be hilarious. I think Igo home and rethink your life, Jarvy.
Jackman's too good in that type.Like they're great in their respective fields.

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But I feel like Reynolds. Reynoldsdoesn't have a and I love the
guy. Doesn't have a lot ofrange. No, he doesn't, he
doesn't, but I think he coulduse limitar and he has in with Jackman
specifically that it would make it work. That's only I would not put Renold
on this movie for anybody else exceptfor the fact that they have that close

(01:16:55):
chemistry together that it would have workedthat way. One last thing I do
what to say Maddy cricket. Nobodywho says cricket you have to know the
crumpetus understand cricket. Of course Igot the reference, Sure, I get
the reference. It's from the wonderfulclassic Teenagement Ninja Turtles from eighteen ninety.
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