Die Hard (1988) vs Lethal Weapon (1987)

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The following is brought to you bythe p l D Projects Network. It's
me, It's me, It's pl D. Mm hmmm. And I'm

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Richard Eric Jarry, and I'm MadiGunner and this is class Action, the
merriest movie show on the interwebs.Oh I like that. I like that.
Nailed it. We did you there'ssomething missing for him? No,
no, no, it was perfect. It was like once we freaking nailed

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the intro. Okay, oh,do you know why that is? I
think I figured out how we didit because pous not here. What's up?
Everyone? Welcome to class Action.It's a festive specialies. You can
tell my job is Christmas jumper thathe's wearing, which is very nice.
O. Ho hope yeah, anduh shout out everyone in the chat.
Willim Harold in the chat as alwaystwo of my favorite films with that herd

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at special time out every Yes,I's hits the ground right. Damn,
I've never done this thing. Ikeep hearing people doing the Newyears thing and
like the midnight like speak scene thing. I've never done it. I did
see a mem saying it's not Christmasuntil Hans Gruber fools that falls out an
acton plaza. So this I feellike I need to start making this tradition

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asking the chat what's up, ed, I haven't seen you for a while.
Al Right, I'm home early tosay Lethal Weapon wins. Thank you
for your time. Well, wehope you're going to give us some more
of your time because, as weknow, as me and Jav got fired
from this show, it's not alwaysthe best film that wins. Yeah that

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happened with Alien Resurrection, Alien Resurrectionversus for doing any three? Yeah that
happened. Yeah, I mean yeah, it's it's the categories, man,
This is this is something that usually, like when you think one movie is
better than the other, you gowith your gut feeling, you go with
what's your favorite. But I thinkthat's the freaking beauty of the categories is

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they break it down objectively, andthat could be I'm so glad the patrons
don't get a say in what categorieswe pick, because I'm sure if we
like the patrons or the like regularviewers suggest the categ Actually, that might
be a good thing to start doingin the new year. We add some
more chaos, yo, shout out, mamas, what's our buddy? Leg

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haven't seen him here here before,magic cool, good guy, so first
time viewer, good to have himhere, and of course Chris there he
is. Damn the one time Itune in late, no in your You're
like, dude, do you knowwhy that is? This is I love
Pod. He's usually a bit lateand a bit late starting the show.

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Love your bro, but do yousee what happens when the Europeans run the
show freaking on the dark Man?Exactly? You know, we're we run
a tight ship, me and Jabiwhen it's just us two, we run
a tight ship. But speaking ofa tight ship, let's get onto our
game that we'd love to start offwith. You guys would have seen he
crashed our shoulder last week, whichwas incredible. What would Ed Harris play?

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This is a game we recast everyevery movie that we discuss, every
franchise we discussed, We take thegreatest, the greatest character actor of all
time, according to Pod. Somemay say it, I mean, he's
good, he's good, he's okay, he's okay, but we recast him

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in the projects that we're talking about, or or make up a new role
for him. So this is usuallyit is usually the funnest game that we
do here, and since POV feltlike he needs to freaking crash our show,
we are crashing his show. Nowwe're we're doing an audible. We're

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not doing Harris play offense in amonth. For the first time in the
history of this show, we're doingwhat would Tom Cruise play? Yes,
Sir Tom Cruise in eighties action moviesand pretty much the rules are the same.
We just recast Tom Cruise whoever thefun we want, or make up

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a new role for him because hecan do it. Should we do Tom
Cruise? Oh? Because I feellike Legos in the chat? Should we
do what would Nick Cage play?Are you pulling an audible on my audible?
I think I'm pulling an audible andyou're audible. Mhm. I mean

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I never pretty much prepare for this, so I could. I haven't prepared.
I haven't prepared for this, soyou haven't. No, let's do
Cage because we were. I preppedfor Cruise. I didn't prep for Cage.
Listen, it's the holiday season stillkind of people still have their trees
and stuff up, so I'm feelinggiving. We're going to give the people

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what they want. The people beinglego we're gonna do? What would Nick
Cage play? Oh and look atwhose hair you're both fighting. You're not
even in the street being bro.So if anyone should be fired, it
should be you for not even showingup today. Oh yeah, for sure,
you're not even supposed to be heretoday. What are you doing in

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the chat? Yeah you're aren't youthink? He on car? Yeah?
Yeah? What can you do anyway? Anyway? Nick play, let's be
the weapon? Oh? I feellike there's only one you could go with.
It's got to be Joshua, rightyou Who who else can match that

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level of like Gary Busey level ofcrazy? I mean I wouldn't. Oh
well, it's kind of it kindof hurts to recast Gary Busey, But
I do get your point of himbeing crazy enough to do it. Yeah,
I feel like that's that's the perfect, the perfect You look at the
car where and then you get theend, like a cool, like really

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shitty karate fight between super slow likehe can do this slow punching. Yeah,
but did you get that karate fightbetween mel Gibson and Nick Cage at
the end? Dude? That'd besuper fucking sweet. Have they ever played
a movie together. I don't thinkthey have. Lego can either confirm nor
deny if they have Lego tell usin the chat. Have Nick Cage and

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Gary Busey been in a movie together? Okay, while we went on that
who you who are you picking?Who's Where's Nick Cage going? In Lethal
Weapon? I'm gonna recast him probablyas the weakest part of the movie,
and that's the general cool I don'tthink. I think he was kind of

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I think he was kind of youknow, your every villain in any other
action movie. So I think NickCage would have freaking just devoured every scene,
enjoyed it, played the mustache twirlingvillain, the general. I think
he could have done a better job. I think I think it was like

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Ryan Mitchell or No Mitchell, Ryan, Yeah, he'sn't doing that much in
the movie, and I think Ithink Nick Cage can only freaking make that
role better and make the villain better. Yeah. And if we were playing
at Harris, like, there's onlyone role. If there's a general in
a movie, that's the role,year Ed Harris. But oh, like

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I said, not to my knowledge, so Cage and Beaucy have never that
could you imagine an unbearable way ofmassive talent on Gary Busey. Oh no,
oh no that happened. I thinkwe've missed the boat now. I
think I think he's like too Ithink he's too too far gone now yeah,

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yeah, hey, guy Reef ishere agreeing with me? In case
mister Joshua or the guy who wantedto commit suicide, oh that bat that
actually would be pretty awesome because theguy, the guy who the guy was
on the roof, he was hewas overdoing it, but in like the
perfect way, the most like eightiesaction movie way. He was like way
overacting. Nick Cage is overacting ismore enjoyable though, Yeah, it has

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for sure, all right, soNick cageent die hard? Mm hmm that
is harder. Ah, No,I will I will give you. I
think I would put I would putNick Cage as the accomming. Was it
the the c i A or theFBI or horn security whatever john the two

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chances right, he would be thethe white Johnson, the one that's like
got the massive gun hanging outside theside of the helicopter. Liking Saigon,
Yeah, liking Saigon. That guyI put it into I'm putting in cages
him. Yeah, but I'm gonnaswitch it up. They're gonna like actually
like get to the top of thenacatoby Plas building and start like just shooting

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everyone down. So it's not BruceWillis this same the day, it's Nick
Cage. Oh okay, So e'sactually because they are pretty much like they're
almost like villains in the movie.Yeah, because they're like, yeah,
just like twenty to twenty five percent, we can live with the casualties of
these kinds of hostages. Case isthat Ago, you know, I can

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see that, but I can seehim playing Ellis coworker, but like like
re casting Eli's kind of feels like, you know, sacrilege. I think
he's such a great six suit weasel. I could I could see Cage being
argo to the bit where he's talkingto the chick on the phone and he's

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like, oh no, my bossthinks I'm on my I'm on the way
to Vegas. Well that's the line. That's the line. Well that's the
that's the line that would sell meon Cage. That's the line that would
sell me on Cage. Okay,so who we got here? Pods agreeing
with christ he should play the doucheco Hard doing coke and stuff. Yeah.

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Like I said, I was thinkingCage is the limo driver to ag
Yeah. Yeah, Okay, sowe're all in the same kind of ballpark.
Okay, this is cool. Weshould do different actors for the recasting.
I mean we've been talking about itfor the longest time. Someone would
have thought of that. Come on, Actually was his idea to start doing
your wheel or something? Mm hmmwhat I meant making that one? Yeah,

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I mean it's worth a load ofsaying hands Bobby, Bobby, Bobby,
Oh god, I hate that,Prick. I would I would make
up in your role for Cage anddie Hard. I would have Cage just

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love me, go out, showup beside Bruce Willis out of nowhere.
He's like another survivor or he's someonewho's trying to escape the building but got
away from the group. He meetsup with Bruce Willis. But it's not
the it's not the Bill Clacy,it's not the double Cross right there,
But Bruce Willis teams up with him. They printed like take out a few

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guards whatever. Something happens. Butlike Hans Scruber has been on top of
his game, every step of theway. So then a moment comes where
John McLean starts to get the upperhand and then Knick Cage shoots Bruce Willis
and the soldier in the soldier shoulder. And it turns out he was planted

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by Hans Kruber as the double crossbecause he knew something like this would happen,
just like he knew he needed theFBI to show up. He's been
ahead of the curve every step ofthe way. So Nick Cage is planted
by Hans Gruber. I like that. I like the double double double across,

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the double double in and out,but get the double double. Yeah.
Cool. So I think we can'treally declare a winner. We'll I
think we'll like the chat chat.You can declare who is the winner for
this week, who won the recastingfor Nick Cage for this week? Myself
or the Javi. We want totake offense, like if you pay will,

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I mean Jovi Will, but I'llbe I'll be okay because job normally
fucking it out the pot anyway,So that is our game for this week.
I love that we did that offthe flight because I think that that
was that was pretty Oh dude,Yeah, that's that's better. That's better.

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Reporter. Yeah he would have Yeah, he would have nailed the reporter.
Yeah, what's the guy's name?I can't remember the name? You
have like a you have like adouche name as well, but that but
that role is freaking awesome as well. Like he's he's like the next Simon
movie. Yeah, n cag Simongrewy. That sets up Nick Cage is

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the villain and die Hard with avengeance. Only Nick Cage could save die
Hard with a vengeance. You don'tlike Diehard with a vengeons? I'm not
a fan. Oh, the thirdone is actually pretty damn good. That's
a good movie. I might needto go back and rewatch it. Yeah,
it's a I think it's something wecould do on the show at some
point, die Hard three versus Idon't know, Lethal Weapon three. We

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can. We can keep doing whatwe've been doing with the Alien franchise,
no, actually alien franchise. We'dput Alien one another against one another.
Or we can do something with Diehardthree. We'll think of something we could
keep doing Weapon die we can.We could. It might get stale for
some people, allow I hope itwon't. Maybe we could keep doing it.

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But but this week we're we're doingdie Hard the first one versus Lethal
Weapon, the first one, RichardDonner versus John mctierney. There we go,
there we are. We got five. I was like, I could
not remember for the for people whomay be joining us, people I'm at,

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you know, like never turned intothe show before. Joby, what
is class action? Uh? Thisis where we'd say two movies, actors,
franchises, or even directors. Weput them up against one another in
five custom make categories in a steelcage battle to the death. One movie
gets white from existence. Not reallythough, but in our heads it does.

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So Usually, yeah, we wetry to take movies which are very
well comparable to one another. AndI mean Diehard versus Lethal Weapon? Can
it like get more primal than this? Lie? This is? This is
I put I put out a tweetearlier like this one. This one could
get ugly like this one could getreally and I feel that's why Pod took

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this week off because he knew thatthis one could get real ugly, real
quick. He couldn't handle the pressure. No, and we have five custom
made categories. Again, Thankfully,the patrons have no say in the Kagaries,
otherwise it would just be manic.But uh, job, if you
want to take us through the Kagaris. Oh yeah. The first one is
better hero or heroes. Next oneis better villain, third one is better

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story premise, fourth one better action, and fifth one this is this one
we've never done before, which worksbetter as a Christmas movie, the better
Christmas movie. So since this isour Christmas episode, we got to do
it. So honestly, I didn'teven know The Lethal Weapon was a Christmas

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movie because I hadn't rewatched it insuch a long time. It's been such
a long time. I watched ittwice during this past week because I really
wanted to, like, because DiehardI watch every Christmas. That's something I
do ever Christmas. So I waslike, huh, you guys want to
do Lethal Weapon versus Diehard for theirChristmas episode. I mean, it is
a Christmas movie, so it works. So we're going to get into that

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our first category. Though, JohnnyMLA, you've staff with this one.
Better hero, better hero. Sothis one, this one we talked about,
we should probably talk about. We'retalking about die Hard, we should
still talk about Al Powell as well. The the cop that's down at the

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Knockotomy Plaza helping John McLain as hegoes. I mean, yeah, the
man on the ground, the man, the man in the chair, so
to speak. Because Martin Man,because Martin Riegs versus Roger Murta. I
mean, they are the body coupduo, and you will only seem fair
to do die Hard the same way. So I'll just blow my load right

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off the top. I am notgoing with die Hard on this one.
I think Lethal Weapon has the betterheroes in this, not just not because
it's two of them, Riggs andMurta. I think John McClain he's a
little too cool. He starts off, he starts out, he's too cool,

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like he has all the right words. He's always in charge of the
situations that is in I mean,he's a freaking awesome He's one of the
greatest action heroes, like every manaction hero. But the one thing that
I really love about Lethal Weapon morethan die Hard is the fact that,
I mean Riggs is completely off thehinges. That is, like crazy Gibson

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at his best. Pair of thatwith Roger Murta Danny Glover, who is
sort of your I mean like seasonedveteran trying to you know, Cosey's way
to retirement without getting killed. Andyou pair that up with Riggs, who
has a freaking death witch flying intoevery situation. He pretty much almost kills

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himself at the start of the movie. I mean, such a great arc
for Riggs. So I think evenRiggs alone kind of carries the leads category
better for me. But I gotto give Diehard credit that al Powell has
way more to do in the moviethan I originally remembered. I thought it
was like all freaking Bruce Willis inthis not really because he the way they

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freaking meet at the very end,they hug, they laugh. It's I
mean, such an endearing moment.But they meet without like they've never seen
each other. No, no,no, but they recognize that they even
look at each other from afar.Then they just freaking walk walk together.
Yeah, it's a beautiful moment.But I mean, Riggs and Murta,

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these dudes are I mean a classicpair up, and we're really pushing it,
pushes it over the edge. Iscrazy Gibson. He's arc in Lethal
Weapon one is what makes this movietake the category for me, and I
can't believe I'm going against John McLeanhere. I I cannot believe my ears
right now, because I mean,Dad, this is such a close character,

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because like John McLean is so soiconic, like the white wife be
a vest, you know, I'vegot a machine gun now, ho ho
ho? Like the one liners hedelivers are absolutely priceless. You think eighties
action movie, you want to hearthose one liners, like when he's on
the roof talking to the operator onthe on the radio over the private signal

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and she's like, this is foremergencies only, and he's like, no
fucking shit, lady, Do Isound like I want to order a pizza?
That is so so eighties, socheese action. But listening to you
give your point, I think Ikind of have to agree because he is

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essentially he is just another John Wayne. He is just another Rambo. He
is just another Marshall, Dylan andKelly. I see your point here.
The whole point is McClain was aneveryman. He's not an everyman, like
he's a little too cool and tooable, right, But an every man
wouldn't be able to go through anentire skyscraper full of bad guys killing everyone

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like I can fight. I wouldn'tbe able to do that, like Kevin
would be able to do that.Kevin McAlister would be able to do that.
Oh dude, imagine dieharded Home alonemash up that that would be great.
There was there was, actually therewas. There was a discussion on
the Empire podcast Kevin mckister defeat BruceWillis into Plaza. We're going to come

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back to that. We're going tocome back to that. But you have
like there's also a glaring hole inthe first leaf for a weapon, in
the fact that there is no Leogets in the first leaf of weapon.
We don't have Lea yet. He'snot the hero though, he's not the
hero. He is a hero tome, a hero to me. So

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they're kind of at a disadvantage.But what you said about al Powell is
al Powell is like he has thatdeeper backstory of why is he Why did
he get put back to a deathjob because he he shot that kid who
was reaching for something and he thoughtit was a gun. That's a very
real world situation. That's a dangerouslyreal world situation. And that's why it's

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like such a like a punch inthe chest, so I would say,
like their neck and neck. Butto quote our good friend Pod, I
think it's the quantity of the qualitymm hmm place. And I feel like
I just the dynamic between the two, like Rick just being out of his

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mind and must be like the straightlighted guy on the twilight of his career
gets pulled back in by this crazydude. Yeah, I gotta go.
I think I gotta go with lethalweapons with this one. It's tough,
I think. Don't give me awrong. Like I see people in the
chat already getting outrage, so we'reprobably gonna get fed again. But no,

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no, no, making tough decisionsis what class action is all about.
Dude. You gotta you gotta sacrificeyour own beliefs for the creator.
I'm living for this. Leo getslove right now. Leo is my hair.
Okay, okay, back up,back up, yep, yep,
Yeah, this is very true.Actually, Diehard plus home Learne equals Violent

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Knight. Have you seen Violent Night? Yeah? It was such a fun
watch that movie, like Violent Knightneeds a sequel, But we'll get to
that. We'll get to that nextcategory. Actually he went backstory. Riggs
lost his wife and he said,you don't want to be there. Yes,
that's that's what I'm talking about.Mm hmm, that's exactly what I
take off this next category. Youfor sure better villain. Go ahead.

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I said that I have a grandstatement to make about one of these movies,
and I'm about to make Alan asHans Gruber has the greatest cinematic debut,
most influential cinematic debut of all timein die Hard. This was his

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first cinematic role. And look atthe first movie. That was his first
movie. He did a couple ofTV movies, he did some TV appearances
die Hard. Die Hard was hisfirst movie. Okay, continue, okay,
so let me allow me to continue. Look at the all the villains

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that have been inspired by Hans Gruberfrom this point. You got Cyrus the
Virus, Howard Harrold Pain or HowardPain from Speed Ah. Yeah, I
don't know. Again, very HansGruby's very like calculating, like constantly,

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like one or two steps ahead ofeveryone else, Cyrus, the virus,
u Ivan from Air Force One,like the Hans Gruber laid out the blueprint
for all these iconic villains. Helike he Alan Rickman is Hans Gruber is
probably now the reason that US Britsget cast as the calculating villain role.

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This in either wearing either a suitor some kind of like Nazi or Imperial
uniform. And honestly, the greatestfucking tragedy is I will never get to
see Alan Rickman play Grand Admiral Thronebecause he was my absolute like fan cast
to play Thrown was Alan Rickman,and like every line of dialogue that he

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executes is just cold and ruthless andprecise. He's oh dude, he's absolutely
absolutely perfect. Yeah, I didnot know that. I just looked it
up. Yeah, he's done TVmovies and TV shows. That is crazy
that that's his first credit, likeactual real credit. And if you go

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on his IMDb page, there isnot a single Harry Potter movie and is
known for the first one is dieHard. This is the role he's known
for, and it's his cinematic debut. Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves,
Galaxy Quiest and Sweeney Todd what hewas pretty damn good and Sweeney Todd he
was pretty damn good and Sweeny Tide. But like, I'm sorry you put

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that up against Gary Busey get thefuck out here, Like anyone that wants
to make that argument lose my number, Like, yeah, the obviously when
you're about to try it, dude, there's no trying this. I mean
there's I think there's only a handfuland I mean five movies that have better

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villains than die Hard, like HansScrewber is considered as one of the greatest
cinematic villains have Like you said ityourself, there's there's I mean Gary Busey,
Like even if you put it upagainst another movie Gary Gary Busey does
a solid job and he's dangerous.He has a few great lines. I
mean, he's menacing, like theway he's also like the Special Forces green

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Bery like Riggsist. He kind ofhas a cool final fight, but I
don't know, eventually he's a littleforgettable. And I think the general that
could be considered like the actual likevillain, because Gary Busey's Joshua is kind
of he's actually the henchman. He'slike the first lieutenant of the general.

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But no, it's even the general, right right, So pretty much why
I watched the movie twice was Icouldn't really remember anything about the villain,
So yeah, this is this isWe're definitely in unison here. There's no
going against Alan Rickman as Hans Gruber. I mean he the way he talks,
the way he walks, the wayhe presents himself like he's the mustache

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dwelling villain. But he does itin the best possible way. I mean
he's he's seen when he goes forBill Clay. I think that is that
is like an acting master class.He's just switching up the accent and drunk
yeah, and the bit where he'stalking to uh, I forget this fucking

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name. It's just gone from mybrain. With one of the henchmen.
No, the main guy who runsthe company, who owns the company.
Oh no, I think it's Takagiaor something something. It fucking escapes me
that he's just like, you'll haveto kill me. He just goes okay

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and just shoots him in the headpoint blank. Like even now I'm like,
whoa, hi, thank you,But he does. It's so effortlessly
like he's just we always plan beingBill Clay and then he can like switch
back, dude, Alan Rickman ishe was is once in a generational talent.

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We will never ever, ever,ever see someone like him ever again,
Like, yeah, for it tobe his debut, his movie debut,
know that I didn't arguably the greatestvillain of all time in his first
movie. There's no sorry, there'sno arguing against it. But for that

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villain alone, I feel like Darhardcould deserve to win. But we're not
there yet. So I grew withranks as much higher all time villain than
McClain ranks an all time here.Yeah, I mean, I mean McClane
is the fact we both gave thehero category to leave a weapon. I
mean that is that is not bymuch, that is by a hair because

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John McLain, like that's Bruce Willis'smost iconic role for sure, and just
like the level of fear when Johnlike realizes now hans of his name and
like like he can tell him whohis family is and everything. It's just

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like, oh shit, and hegot kicked out of the fucking terrorist group
for being too radical. Yeah,like what the fuck? Anyway, Next,
let's let's move on to the nextcategory. Next category, third category,
better story, better stories? Whichmovie has the better story or premise?

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Okay, this is where things mightget a little hair. This is
this one was an easy one forme. Yeah, I think I think
for me, well, I don'tthink I know Leath the Weapon for me
feels story wise a little too allover the place. I mean I had

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to watch the movie twice to kindof get like, what was the story
actually about. There was the girljumped down the window, she was actually
murdered. There's some heroin, there'ssomething going on back and forth, something
about money, porn, heroin again, shootouts, shit goes down, And
I was like, okay, basicallya week in La. Yeah, we

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like it. It tries to bea complex story, and it is,
but it doesn't really differentiate from anyother eighties action movie. And I don't
mean that in a like it can'tbe considered a negative, but it doesn't
do anything badly in that sense.But you put it up against die Hard,
which is is I mean, thestory is straight to the point,

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it's compact, it's a tight storytelling. It's one single setting. Man goes
into a building terror's takeover, hehas to fight against them to save his
wife. I mean, it's executedto perfection. There is there is no
fact in this movie. The storyis just I freaking love how straight to

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the point it is, and withlet the weapon, I had to try
to remember, really remember what thestory was about. Yeah, okay,
so this one was an easy pickfor a Diehard, Okay, even if
to die interesting? Interesting, See, I thought we were both going to

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go a different way here. Ithought you were going to take lethal weapon.
Yeah, but I guess we're bothgoing the same way because I'm also
giving this the die Hard now beforeanyone comes and I get where people may
think the story is Riggs is redemption and you know him coming from him

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finding that connection. We're going toget to that, but that's not really
the main story. The main storyis the pawn and the heroine and the
special Forces and porn heroin and specialforces. That that's that's that's how you
sold. That's the elevator pitch.That is that that is that is that

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is the pitch. But even likeI said, hey, I agree with
you Ole for weapons, more charactersdriver in the plot, it's kind of
a backseat. How many movies havetried to replicate what die Hard has done?
Sudden death Olympus has fallen under toysoldiers. Air Force one like die

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Hard is one of those stories.Do you know. Do you know what
studio exec said, skyscraper, It'slike die Hard but in a building.
Fuck off. They did not saythat. That was said. That is
an actual line saved by a studioexact It's like die Hard but in a

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building. Moving on, It's dieHard is one of those things that you
can duplicate it, but you couldnever, ever, ever ever replicate it.
Well said, like you could.You could do die Hard on a
plane, you can do die Hardon a train, you could do die
Hard on some other automobile. Likeit will never be die Hard, but

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that there is one if I hadto recommend once you guys that like may
there's like a little bit of anoff shoot. Jetly did a movie called
It's when I saw it for thefirst time, it was called Meltdown,
but I think they've changed the namein the West to High Risk, where
it's basically he starts out as likea a military like captain or something,

(35:02):
and he has to save his wifeand a school bus full of children from
a terrorist bomb threat by this guycalled the Doctor, and he fails spoiler
alert, but it's the opening fuckingscene of the movie. So he becomes
a stunt man for this guy whois essentially a fake Jackie Chant but like
everyone thinks that he does his ownstunts. He's an actual martial artist,

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but like he uses Jetly's character todo all his like major stunts anywhere they
go to, like this Diamond exhibit, and like the same guy, the
doctor, the terrorist is also inthe building with all his his goat,
his like his crew and his goonies, and it essentially becomes die Hard and
Jetly has to fight his way upthe skyscraper. He has to get help

(35:45):
from the cops, but they don'twant to help him. It is essentially
die Hard, but with jet Lee. And if anyone has if there's anyone
hasn't seen it, I highly recommendit. It is pretty awesome. Oh
I wish I remember a die Hardfor sure. I mean every action movie,
like really every action movie has somehowtaken from die Hard. And I

(36:09):
would say The Raid is better thandie Hard. But that's I mean,
that's that's a sentence we have.We got to do something with the Raid
at some point. Yeah, we'regoing both with both with die Hard on
this one. That makes Dread dieHard as well for sure. No,

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No, actually, Dread is theraid, think about it? Dread is
the raid go on the new Dreadlike it's a freaking megabuilding and he goes
floor to floor. He just goesto megastructure. It's moonful. It's you
said that way too excitedly. Yeahfor someone who apparently hates Yeah, yeah,

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but you're right that you have todo something with the raid, and
it's uh oh, William, howdid see it? Cool? It was
called Snakes on a plane, dieHard in the blank. If you could
do a die Hard filling the dieHard that has never been put somewhere before,
where would you do? What wouldyou do? Die Hard on a
what I want to say submarine,But I'm sure that's been done. I

(37:30):
don't know. I don't know that. I'm sure it has. I mean,
Crimson time is not die Haard ona submarine. But October maybe some
fine we're having bad die Hard inbase, die Hard in a bookstore or

(37:54):
I would just that would just beI mean, that would be weird hard.
Jesus Christ read hard. Fourth categorybetter action, better action, better
action. I mean, Maddie,this this category has has gone her written

(38:16):
all over it. I know thisone was so difficult for me. This
one was so tough. Oh seethat the action in die Hard. I
can't even say the action in dieHard is sloppier than Lethal Weapon because they

(38:37):
are both just like all over theplace. Like the shootouts in the Shootouts
and die Hard are really cool,but like the choreography is all over the
shop, and like I love themoment where I can't remember the dude with
a long blonde hair, but whenBruce Wallis ties him with the chain and
pushes him and then shoots him.Think it's one of the brothers just called

(39:02):
Carl. I don't know what Ithink. Yeah, I think it is
Carl. Yeah. And there's abit where like the guy is standing on
top of him on top of thedesk, and what is it. Yeah,
He's just like I'll get you soyou can't get away from me,
something like that, and then likeBruce just shoots him and he just goes

(39:22):
great advice. It's just like theaction didn't It was kind of all over
the shop, but with lea fora weapon, it was the perfect kind
of action that you want from aneighties bomba stick just out there action,
like the scene where Riggs is beingtortured and he's being liked and he's being

(39:44):
alleged cuted and he uses his feetto break the dude's neck. That's he
Tom Cruises it he who did itfirst? Him or Tom? That's that's
Tom Cruising gross protocol. Oh ship, So Tom got when he when he
breaks out of the when he breaksout of the prison, start of the

(40:04):
ghost protocol. He does that,he does the legge and then he pulls
himself off. That's Tom Cruis andTom Tom from He must have got that
from me for weapon. Oh dude, that's the sobs it. But I
will say the fight at the endbetween Joshua and Riggs not great. Not

(40:29):
great. When crazy Gibson starts doinglike all the like the tai chi moves
and stuff, I'm like, daggod, dude, please stop, please
stop. And then like you seeGary buse I hope it's Gary Busey that
threw it, because if a stuntdouble through a spinning heel kick the way
that Gary buse is the way thatJoshua threw it. It just looked terrible

(40:52):
like he couldn't even get his leghalfway up, so which is why I'm
assuming it's Gary Busey. It wasjust terrible, But at the time,
being a kid, I was like, man, that's so cool, Like
Mel Gibson's beating more. This isawesome that I watching it back now,
like that's great. But even likeI would say, the action of like

(41:15):
rig just being willing to shoot himselfin the mouth at any point and he's
talking about is like, oh,yeah, I've got a hollow tip just
save straight from myself, so Iknow you'll blow the back of my head
out. Like dude, that's that'spretty gnarlly. So I gotta I gotta
give it to I gotta give aleaf a weapon. Wow, that was

(41:37):
I wasn't expecting that, to behonest. But knowing you and knowing your
like fight choreography analysis, yeah,I get your ruling, but I'm gonna
I'm gonna argue with you here alittle. I think. I think the
moments that you described in Lethal Weapon, I mean the torture, seeing the
way when he wants to shoot himself, those are all scenes that are mixed

(41:59):
in between the action. These arepretty like sort of low key moments that
are awesome. Like one of thecoolest scenes I think in Lethal Weapon is
the roof jumper, Like when hegoes on the roof, he saves,
they both jump down, and thenwhat follows the scene where Riggs and Marta
have like the first heart to heartwhen Murta finally like gets what he's doing.

(42:22):
They like Riggs tells him his traumaticstory. I mean, that's a
great moment, but it's not anaction scene. And another one like the
shooting range when Riggs and Marta likego has with like shooting the target right
freaking one of the best scenes inthe movie. Not really an action scene
when you think about like because Idon't think it's an action because because they're

(42:44):
just practicing at the firing range.When I think like the big action scenes,
I think the when Riggs gets shotin the chest with the shotgun,
and like the chase follows, thebig final showdown at the desert, the
toy you're seeing. Those are allthe big action scenes. What like really

(43:04):
happened when the big actions started.I kind of wanted to look at my
phone and it didn't happen at thesemoments when we were sort of like when
Riggs and Marta were going, likeyou know, they're back and forth with
was happening when the big action startedto go down, I was kind of
okay, all right, that's thebig action sequence. I'm on board because

(43:29):
I freaking love the actors and thecharacters. But it's not the action that's
gripping me. I think when itcomes to die Hard, every confrontation and
every action moment felt special to me, and it was like it was earned.
It was gripping. And I'll behonest, like hearing you talk about
like the way that Diehard has sortof aged, to me, it really

(43:49):
hasn't. I mean it has agedbecause it's like old timey fighting. At
times, I'm like, nothing,it is. It is, that is
for sure, but it's it neverlet go of my attention, attention.
It was always like adrenal, adrenalinefuel, like NonStop action thriller ride,

(44:10):
quoting the action movie Anatomy. Sothere was not a single moment during the
action that made me want to pickmy phone up. So I don't know,
I gotta go with die Hard.I feel like Lethal Weapon had the
best sort of in between moments,but the action sequences in die Hard they
seamlessly worked into the action scenes andit like it didn't feel like Okay,

(44:31):
this is over, this is happening. It was always interwoven and always had
my attention. So I gotta gowith Diehard here. Okay, okay,
next category the final one. Ah, which works better as a Christmas movie?

(44:52):
Or which is the better Christmas movie? This is tough, This is
tough. That's a category we nedone before. We've never done this before.
Yeah, because I'll be honest,I didn't know Lethal Weapon was a
full on Christmas movie like it was, but I but I do agree it
really is. I do think thoughthe Diehard leans into the Christmas bit a

(45:17):
little more. I mean think,yeah, go ahead for the thirtieth anniversary.
Like the re release of die Hardfor the fafe year anniversary, they
caught the tagline was the greatest Christmasmovie of all the time. It is
it is. It is like thezeitgeist has sort of made die Hard into

(45:40):
I think, a bigger Christmas moviethan Lethal Weapon. And it's kind of
unfair towards Lethal Weapon. I mean, both movies are said in LA the
not very Christmas. The towns thoughneither of them are very Christmas because New
York is way more Christmas. Youcan actually have snow there, you can
like sort of I don't know,well when you say that I went to

(46:00):
Vegas once and there was snow inVegas for a day, so it is
possible. It snows in Vegas veryvery rarely. But yeah, but yeah,
I think. I think the zeitgeistand the fact that lethal weapon,
I mean, the fact that dieHard is mostly said during the nighttime that

(46:23):
makes it more Christmasy to me.And you know what, when die Hard
ends and like Holly and John driveoff, I remembered that it started snowing
for some reason in my head,so I rewound. I looked the scene
up today again. I was like, Okay, it's not actually snowing right
there, but it felt like itcould be snowing and it and the ending

(46:45):
was it was a little home aloneyfor me. The way it ends,
it goes very home alone that oneI think with a weapon. The fact
that it's all over town, thatit happens during the daytime, that sort
of takes the Christmas go out ofit. And they both end on like
the Christmas tune, but the guys, the fact that it happens during the

(47:07):
night and the very home aloney endingfor die Hard. I gotta pick die
Hard for the better Christmas movie.Yeah, we need to say this into
account. William Horold started at ninefifty seven and fifty two thirty two seconds
PM. That's when we need tostart die Hard going in the future.

(47:30):
It does, that's right, itdoes. Trying to get home for Christmas.
This is sure, and I'm gonnathis is where we're gonna disagree.
I'm saying Letho, I'm giving Oh, you're going with leath a Weapon,
that's a better Christmas. I'm goingwith Leath the Weapons the better Christmas movie
because while Diehard maybe the bigger Christmasmovie, I don't think it's the better

(47:52):
Christmas movie because it's set die Hotset. What makes it Christmas Eve?
Mostly is it set up at aChristmas party and it's set. I don't
even it's set around the Christmas time. I don't even think if it's set
on Christmas Eve. But with itis, with with Lethal Weapon, you

(48:14):
get to see more than one sideof Christmas. You don't just you know,
I get the Diehard gets like allthe attention, but you have Myrta
who's surrounded by a big, lovingfamily everyone loves. That's true, and
there's but there's also that the darkerside to the holiday season, where like
you have people who are very lonely, people who you know suffer in silence,

(48:38):
who may be dealing with lost maybedealing with stress, like people even
like the guy who was going tojump, like people who are even feeling
suicidal, and like they suffer insilence with it because they don't want to
be a burden to the people whoare like Marta that have that massive family
base around them that they feel likea burden. But you know, the

(49:02):
holidays and Christmas and everything to talkabout second chances and family, thegiveness and
all that stuff. And I mentionedit earlier, but when we were talking
about the plot, what symbolizes Christmasmore than Riggs finding a second family?

(49:23):
He and his family. You know, Riggs is his I don't even want
to say redemption, but like himfinding himself again, not being like he
is still crazy Gibson. Let's notget that twisted. He grazy Gibson.

(49:44):
But he finds that that loving familyagain when he thought he lost it and
he was ready to end it allbecause he thought he lost it. I
thought he was never going to feelthat love again. He has just from
Myti and his family and very creepilyfrom MTA's teenager, which is very weird.
That was what was that was reallyfucking I think that was their attempt

(50:07):
to do they hook up at somepoint later? No, I don't.
I don't think they do. Ihope they don't because that's really weird because
she gets with Chris Rock's character inLeaf Weapon four. I think, yeah,
so, but that I think thatwas their way of trying to push

(50:30):
crazy Gibson to be like this heartthrob with the lush hair, and it
just was kind of creepy. Butyeah, I'm giving it to I'm giving
a Leaf a Weapon because it itshows the other side of Christmas. It's
not just you know, family together, was it was it? Bruce Willa

(50:51):
says, we'll get together, havea few laughs, there's more, there's
more to Christmas. Hey, sheas grist. They do not hook up.
There is no Leath the Weapon five. Yeah, William how just wrote
that Leaf Weapons. Yeah yeah,okay, sorry, but yeah, I

(51:15):
do like your I do like yourargument for lea weapon. Now, it
didn't make it. It feels likediehard is the easier choice, and I
went with the easier choice. ButI do like your I do I do
like your argument for it, anduh, I think I think die Hard
has the sort of redent story thereas well, because John McClain is trying

(51:37):
to get his wife back Holly.It's not Holly Gennaro anymore. It's Holly
McClean, which is naturalice to signa common detention. Yeah, there's that.
I just thought it was kind ofcreepy because she was like a teenager
and he's like an old older man. So yeah, Kiss b Bang is

(52:00):
also a Christmas movie. It is. Yeah, we gotta do something with
Chris Kiss bang Bang at some pointbecause I love that movie. We gotta
do something Chris Chris Banan. Wasthat I you said, Chris Chris bang
Bang? Oh No, I saidkiss kiss bank. That's that's that's that's
Will Smith's next movie, Chris Chrisbang Bang. I'm gonna I thought you

(52:23):
were the one they said, neverbring that up again. Whatever Me and
Pool bring up the slap hud aroundthe world. Do you get mad?
I think the stream pros and Idon't know what happened just a few seconds
ago. Something something happened. Maybeit was one of our It's nice,
but that's everything, that's our categories. I believe we hope you did keep

(52:45):
score. I did. I didso, drum roll, you have our
votes in I've got no clue actually, because we went back a score of
six to four. Your winner byway of knockout die Hard. Oh yeah,

(53:07):
there we go. I was.I was. I mean, that's
Diehard's my like, my choice,the one I would have picked. I
was a little worried. Yeah,I was a little worried. I if
again, I think that I preferreddie Hard as a movie like I lovely

(53:28):
for Weapon, but like if wehad a category, if we had a
category for rewatchability, I would probablyhave put die Hard in it. I
think the Christmas factor actually, Ithink the Christmas category has the rewatchability factor
in there. And that's also whatmade me pick die Hard is because which

(53:49):
movie would rather put on for Christmas? I mean, it's gotta be die
Hard, right, you put thaton Christmas? Yeah? Yeah, It's
become a Christmas tradition for so manypeople. And I was actually talking to
my French ever about this earlier,about die Hard versus Lethal Weapon, because
he asked me, are we doingthe franch are we putting the franchises up
against each other? I think ifwe did the franchises. Leaf Weapon wins

(54:13):
did a landslide. I mean leaththe Weapon doesn't have. Die Hard doesn't
have Leo gets come on, bro, yeah, and Lethal Weapon doesn't have
what's the last not leaf Free ordie Hard? What's the very last die
Hard movie? It was? Itwas? That wasn't it was? That?

(54:34):
The last one? No, Nolif Free, Lift Free or die
Hard is the one where they're inNew York and like one of his web
feet chooses blinking the cyber villain ton'tbe Oliphant. Yeah, that's I think
that's yeah, I know the oneyou mean? That's comment with the title

(54:55):
next, so that the fourth,the fourth die Hard is a damn good
movie. I really enjoyed that dieHard. But the fifth one, that
is when it all goes tits ubokay, Well, chat, let us
know if you want us to continuethis, because this is something that we
could explore. If you guys wantus to do Lethal Weapon two versus die

(55:16):
Hard too, let us know.And if you want us to continue this
match up, I know Javid behappy to do it. I'd be happy
to do it. I'm sure Paulwould be happy to do it. Because
as we're saying the matter. Butoh, there you go. A good
day to Die Hard. Yeah,a bad movie to watch. And you

(55:37):
know what we could do, Wecould we could go with every no because
there's not a fifth leath of weaponthough, because that was I was thinking,
we go fo Yeah, and thenwe determine out of all of these
four matches, which wins as afranchise. Yeah, yeah, works for

(55:57):
me, works for me. Soyeah, that's this week's class action.
I hope everyone had a great holidays. Have a very happy and safe New
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(56:17):
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(57:00):
was a lot of fun. Itwas really really close. It almost got
to nail Bayer. If we hadhad a hung jury on this one,
I don't know. I don't knowhow. We didn't know. We didn't
have a six category. Would havehad we would have had to have gone
to the to the chat. Foryears have been in a debate between Leith
Weapon and die Hard, both ofthem Christmas. We're both in Christmas.

(57:22):
Well, Franklin, you've got youranswer right here. We we've settled this
debate for you. There are bothChristmas movies, and it turns out Diehard
is the better Christmas movie. SoHeroin and Hookers, Christal, you shouldn't.
You shouldn't tell our New Years friends. I should not. Okay,

(57:43):
Well, I'm going to go bookmy flight to Estonia now. Yeah.
Shout out to all of the patientstrying to think Jarvy, Where where can
people find you? While I lookup this whole spield I'm supposed to read
off. You can find on Facebookand Instagram at Richard Eric with a k
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(58:06):
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(58:30):
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(59:12):
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(59:34):
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(59:55):
Just wait till Avatar. What werethey calling Avatar three? The seed
Bearer? That's bad, but we'llget to that when the Way of the
Space Master. What else I'm notforgetting? Oh yeah, Crown Jewels,
which is a podcast that Paul doeson Queen. I think he's taking a

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break this week because he's on call, but I'm I'm sure he will be
back with that econment what song comesnext? But yeah, thank you everyone
for tuning in checking us out.We'll be back next week. As I
said, if he want us todo lethal weapons, to die hard,
to let us know. Give ussome suggestions in the comments. We will
read them and try to convince Paul. Because me and Jarvi we're the men

(01:00:44):
of the people on this show.We're not like Paul. We don't just
like go off and like throwing categoriesand throwing random second movies like The Abyss
just because our picks aren't going towin. So yeah. Shout out to
everyone in the chat today. Shoutout to our patres again. I hope
everyone had a great holiday this season. Have a great and safe new year.

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We'll see you guys in twenty twentythree for our next matchup. Until
then, justice has been served.