Die Hard with a Vengeance (1995) vs Lethal Weapon 3 (1992)

The better Lethal Weapon movie...might just be Die Hard With a Vengeance!

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And I'm Richard Eric Yeah, andI'm Matti Ganna. And this is class
Action, the classest movie show onthe interwebs. Wow, we're really got
a low key today. We hadthis conversation I'm not I'm gonna put it
out there, conversation about maybe sometimestalk over each other a little bit.
I mean, we should try tocalm that down. And so I feel

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like we're all a little hesitant allof a sudden. But this is not
the franchise to be hesitant. Didwe have a big action passed lasting stuff.
So we gotta find our middle groundhere. How well, I have
a proposition. Let's say, let'suse like the walkie talking way we go.
Whenever someone's finished speaking, it's overover Okay. I like that,

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Okay, I got And when theconversation is over, you have to say
over again, over again over orwe could there like we used to do
when we were kids, and likewhoever's holding the pencil get talk the thing
is, that's my bits. We'vealways told you pett in my hands that
somebody actually said that to me once. I never even realized I did that,

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But then I think, I thinkI remember. I think it was
Jake. It might be I waslike, I do always hold this penety
I talked to him. It's justsomething to do with my hands. I
guess I don't know. Well,I don't know either way. We are
here. We are in the thirdweek on the battle of this series.
We have die Hard versus Leath theWeapon. Uh, and this is we're

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doing the trilogy. We are doingdie Hard three, died with the Vengeance
Versus Leath the Weapon three. Igot some people in the chat already A
Kelly saying it does sound like Jake, Yes, and Ryan Carmichael from work
die Hard well, die Hard VersusLeath the Weapon, Yes, but this
one I don't know what to findout what to find out depending on these
categories as well, and of courseGalactus as well, does sound like a

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Jake thing to notice. I agree, But I don't know about you guys,
but I had seen the die Hardmovies more recently than I had seen
The Weapon, and I'm loving theRediscovering leth Weapon. But I had a
very different experience with Lethal Webon threethis week. I want to say that

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I watched about the first hour ofleath Weapon three and I had to pause
it so it was doing something.I had to come back the next day,
and man, what a tale oftwo worlds. Because I was watching
the first part of this movie andI was not actually much of a fan.
I was like, I don't thisis something about it. It was
like too much over the top.It almost felt like it was a parody

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of itself. I'm like, thisdoesn't seem grounded at all. And in
the second half of this film,it's flat out amazing in so many different
ways. So what it was aweird dichotomy for me. Did you guys
have any fun experiences while watching thesethree or these two films this weekend?
Interesting? I feel kind of similarin that. Maybe it's because I I've

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seen it so many times now thatI know I know what's coming, and
it it was like, Okay,it was a little bit slow to start
before we do get to the crash, bang wallop of everything in Lethal Weapon
three, and I'm so used toit just being at all times but this

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one, and I said this,I did a little IG Live yesterday.
I said, it feels like thisis the most tepid one of the four.
Yeah, actually the most character drivenone of the four compared to the
first one is very character driven aswell. But there is a lot of
depth to this character. This characterparts, especially with Murta, and the

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sequences towards the middle and the endthere because really deep for this kind of
movie. Although to be frank,that's actually lead. The Weapons kind of
like Ace in the Hole. Ifeel like at least Weapons been like this
Buddy Cop. It's a buddy copfranchise. It's probably the buddy cop franchise.
It's got the over the top actionbeats of the eighties action movie,
and yet it deals with some seriousshit times, and it's kind of surprising.

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It always surprises me. Even thoughI've seen these movies a million times,
it still surprised me how deep itsometimes gets, whereas die Hard is
not at all deep. It's avery surface level for the most but it's
pretty much a big service level.Although interestingly enough, Diehard with the Vengeance
I mentioned this before, was originallydeveloped to be a lethal weapon movie and

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if you watch that knowing that youtotally can see it. You can totally
see the Claine and Zeus being riggedand Murta in a different kind of fashion
like obviously it's been. By thetime it got from the initial concept of
the screen, it was a lotdifferent, but the germs are still there.
Out of the German of the ideais still there. But I think
it works. I think because becauseDiehard has been sort of upping the stakes

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each movie, it's gotten bigger andbigger. So we kind of got out
of that, you know, smallenclosed space action movie, you think,
and now it's stuck in all aroundtown for again, not globe trotting,
what's city trotting action action romp orsomething like that. But yeah, I
actually had forgotten all about the factthat this was supposed to be a lethal

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weapon movie. Now having watched it, I can totally see it totally.
But still there is something about it. There's something about a die Hard movie
that makes it a die Hard movie. There's I don't know if if it
were if it was a lethal weaponmovie, it would have been a way
different movie. I still feel likethat because I think as Crux, I
was actually I just recorded two mediawait tudes on film with PJ. Campbell

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right before the show, about anhour before the show, and he mentioned
Leath the Weapon about my ideas aboutit. I think the difference between a
lethal weapon or a diehard typically islethal weapons is very proactive in terms of
Briggs and Murta are seeking down crimeor seeking down this if issue whatever,
whereas John McLean always gets something thrustupon him. And that's the way this

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is to he's a diehard with avengeance. He is an alcohol I'm sorry,
one stuff from being an alcoholic,as he points out and sends sort of
an alcoholic on suspension, got amassive hangover and then Simon comes knocking.
So it's just that that's where thediehard steel stays true to its own because
this is for the first time you'renot in a building, you're not on

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airport, you're not caught, andit's kind of like you're in all of
New York City, so not justthat small enclosed space anymore. But it
still has that kind of like everyman feel of what has happened to me?
God, that kind of thing edgeto see in the chat of course
at haskell On there Eryl but let'sget into we have, of course on

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class action. We take these twotwo itemsies two movies. In this case,
we're doing the franchise battles here andthere. Actually we do. We
have actually done franchise battles entirely onits own, but we are actually doing
the intricacies of each entry into theeach first entry, second entry, and
now of course the third entry intothe franchises against each other. Put them

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up in five custom made cates andwe let them duke it out to the
battle and see who wins and whois in charge, and who who goes
and gets put into jail and puton death row. I don't know,
we haven't decided that yet. Butlet's talk about our custom made categories this
week. We change it up alittle bit because of what we're doing.
Specifically, we didn't want better heroes, because we've done better heroes for two

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movies in a row. There's onlyso many ways you can come up with.
Putting John McLean up against riggsy Merta. It didn't have to happen anymore,
So we got that. Instead,we're gonna slide in the better sidekick
category, which is a very interestingcategory for this particular film because you have
of course, we have Sam Jacksoncoming in to be John McLean's sidekicking this

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one. Leath. Weapon three alsohas not only the return of Leo Getz,
but also has Renee Russo, whichis honestly speaking to me, leth
Weapon three secret sauce, and I'lltell you that that's a little spoiler for
my or some of my conversation.But we have better villain because it is
a different villain each time. Betterstory better. In the better story,
we can talk about why is ita good sequel as an overall story of

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the film, and how it fitsinto the franchise. We got better action
sequences, have sacks and pieces,and of course the figure from last time
the better one liner where we're justgonna start spinning out our favorite bits of
dialogue, so to speak. Butbefore we get to that, we do
have a game we do like toplay, and so it's a new game
based on the ashes of an oldgame. I have a wheel. I

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have a wheel of actors and actresses. It is a digital wheel, but
yet it is still a good wheel. And on those on that way,
we have actors and actresses and we'regonna spin that wheel, and for each
film, we're gonna spin that wheeland whatever it comes up on, we
are going to either put that personin an existing role in Diaho with a
Vengeance only threw Weapon three, orif we have the hutspa to come up

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with a new character on the spotthat we will do. That question.
Is Ed Harris on the wheel thisweek? My friends, Ed Harris is
always on the wheel. That isthe layer his the game will always be
as as a respect to where thisgame came from. Ed Harris is every

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week going to be on the wheel. And I just also want to quickly
shout out my fellow mediocre way dudein the chat. He's watching us.
He's very pinnated on these. Sowithout further ado, let's take let's say
a look at the Jarvey has noidea about that. On the wheel this
week we have similars from last weekwith two editions because we used two of

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them. We got Ed Harris,Denzel Washington, halle Berry, Jerry B
Tom Cruise, Margot Robbie, NicholasCage, and Shirley's there on. So
without further ado, if you guysare ready, If you boys are ready,
Harry's already on there like, that'sjust the way it comes. That's
just the way it comes. That'sthat's the real choice. I ken't like.

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All right, and the spin isit there? On? Are we
gonna get two females back to back? Oh? I did? I'm sorry,
PJ. I did say Bruce Campbellwas opposed to be on this week,
but you know what happened, PJA. We had two actresses, so

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I had to I was going tofill it in with two actresses. If
the next actor that comes out,next actor that comes off the Wheel,
Bruce Campbell will be in the Wheelthat week, I promise, all right,
So Charlie is there on. I'mgonna give it to you first,
CHARVII, because I like it bestwhen you were under pressure. So Charlie's
theon in Diehard of Avengers, Oh, Diard, I was thinking of Oh,

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actually, yeah, it's a Diehardone. I was thinking of it.
I feel like it's gonna be theeasy one though. I think I
would put her in as the Kotjatcharacter who was sort of the hench woman
for for Simon. Yeah, shewas, she had she had not much
to do. If Charlie's was inthe role. She have way more to

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do. But because she's she's aproven action star, she's got a freaking
commanding presence sun screen. So Imean all the way I think you you
definitely have to give that character moreto do, though, because I think
the actress who played her, SamPhillips, she was she just gave like
glaring looks at the screen, didn'thave a lot of lines. You'd have

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to beef for her role. Forshe did have a great dance, a
dance of death. She had theknives going with the one there the I
have to admit I fell asleep inthe final part of the movie. I
don't remember that one, like midpart of the Belie the Federal Reserve car
where she, like I wish wasthere. She jumps in and then he's

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got like the curved knives, haven'tshe And she's not nancing with him.
Yeah, no good. I enjoyedit, I want to say. And
the chat, hey guys apeeled thehappy that the Packers had made the playoffs.
Of course I am, of courseI am the Packers. I'm a
Bears fan. It's like being aRed Sox fan. The Yankees. You

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can't like them. My favorite teamis the Bears. Whoever's playing the Packers
question? Yes, answer on theBeads from Chicago. That is correct,
the Chicago Bears from New York.Yes, and I also like the bottom.
I don't like any of your teams. Honestly speaking, it's just who
I am, fair enough, allright, they're smart ass there, Medy

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Gunner trying to get me Undernyth Thereyou can go next. Hey, I
don't understand what you Americans cool footballthat you only use your feet for like
two percent of again, go it'sa different station for a different podcast.
Sharlie Stern in die Hard with aVengeance, This is a tough one.
I feel like, with all duerespect to Jeremy Irons, oh, the

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brother of the villain, things beendone so many times. I want to
see the sister. That's anoicing point, I mean, Kelly w also Gruge
is there, Hans Kelly Smart,Kelly, Kelly Me and Kelly. That's
Paco like same brain, hive mind. Interesting call, though it does seem
like it'd be kind of cool.But I'm gonna just jump ahead with you

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air a little bit, and soI kind of I do like that idea,
but I don't want to get ridof Jeremy Irons either, so I'm
gonna put them both on. I'mactually gonna combine your two and say you're
gonna put her in the sidekick rollof Simon of Simon Peter Gruber. But
it is another grouper. So JeremyIrons and and Charlie Stern are twins,

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twin siblings of Alan Reckman's Hans Gruber, so it becomes even more it might
well, then again, considering whathappens during that movie during Di Howard of
a Vengeance, that doesn'tem like we'regetting into more of a house the dragon
a situation there. But you knowwhat, that's all the rage right now,
that's all the range of the Gameof Throne. We'll have a Game
of Thrones diehard style. So we'renow the twins who are also lovers,

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try to take out John McLain.No, don't like that. Don't like
that kind of makes sense because she'skind of freaky the least the Sam Phillips
Cadi. So the Kadia character thatwe're kind of basing Shirley's on away is
kind of freaky. It, soit makes a little bit of sense that
they do that way, So allright, let's move on to you'd have

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to keep Shauli's as old as sheis put into because that way, she's
probably around the same age it's JimmyArdens. Yeah, if we went back,
obviously'd be a lot younger. Iwas kind of thinking more. I
never really think about the boom.There you go. All right, let's
move on to Leath the Weapon.Who are gonna put in leath the Weapon?
Now, let's see, let thewheel decide. Does p J.

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Campbell get his wish? And BruceCampbell can be in next week if we
get a mail. Uh, Ireally want to see Charlie's in there again.
We're not gonna We're gonna do anotherone where to use Shirley as one.
So come on tc oh, EdHarris get replaced, shocker. I

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got to forgot something, PJ.I also put put him in anyway next
week? All right, So yougotta put Ed Harris, the greatest character
actor of all time, in Leaththe Weapon? Three Matten, let's throw
it to you first. You knowwhat put him in his Travis? Oh,

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well that's you, honestly, that'sone, right, Travis. There
is an easier one. Well,I forget what's the actor's name? He
plays Jack Travis, Jack Travis,Yes, Stuart Wilson. This is kind
of a spoiler a lot for leCagary wasn't a fan. Yeah, you
know what, I'm gonna spoiler alerttoo. He's my least favorite villain and
leath weabon franchise for sure. It'snot his fault. It's not the actor's

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fault. It really, honestly iswritten badly because I just don't like his
character. He does a good jobwith what he's given. He's just not
given a whole hell of a lot. That's the problem. So that makes
it. I mean, Harris woulddefinitely pump up that role bit so,
but I'll let you go the easierMaddie since he went first. Jarvi,
you said you had another one thatmight be better for that though. No,

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no, no, an easier one. But I kind of don't want
to use that one because if youliked if you put him as Captain Ed
Murphy that's sort of like their role, then he would have actually played.
But but I want to see I'mgonna I'm gonna just switch him in because
we usually never do that. I'mgoing to switch him into Martin Riggs have
a freaking mullet wearing aid. Harris'sfreaking all these hinges, just walking around

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spitting good lines saving dogs. Hedoes say, yeah, you know,
Riggs actually heard you last week.I think there, Maddie eight years later,
civically was made for you to stopfor the dog. And we don't
we kill we kill people, wedon't kill dogs. Uh. Ed Harris

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as Renee Russo William Harrow says,and you know what, I can't get
that out of my mind. NowI'd be great the leg kick kick and
rem saying Ed Harris is the leadantagonist, will be greatly thweipping three absolutely
as it makes it easier. SoI mean, I so what can I
do? Then? You you alreadywent with Jack Travis, You're going with
Captain Oh you don't want to go, so you're gonna go went Riggs instead?

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So that lets me I should gowith Captain Ed Murphins. That's the
easiest one, right, But Idon't want to. I don't want to
be there ready to go. Maybehave to make him a smaller rule,
maybe a smaller role. Maybe uhhmm, let me see. Oh maybe

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I'm gonna replay I'm gonna have him. As Leo gets his boss, he
runs the real estate the real estatebusiness, Leo gets has to report to
him, and Harris shows up.I've seen and somebody even Liam gets is
afraid of and he tries to suspendhis way out of it. And here's
didn't take any of his ships likeAlec Baldwin in where he plays the wheelchair

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Gley Glenross. Yeah. Yeah,and there's a little sequence there he gets
on on Leo gets for that.I like that. Idea. Sweet,
that's just not a good one comesto my mind. Well, this is
my official pay but the head ofinn oh that's not about actually, yeah,
the guy who's with Lee Laurna,God, what's his name? It's

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uh kind of a forgettable character,but that way you can make him memorable.
Yeah, absolutely, that's the bestway to do it some of those
things. So that makes sense.That makes a lot of sense. I
like that all I thought. Idea. So and Harris as the director of
Rienne film. Shoot, that's actuallygonna's whichever. He wouldn't go down easily

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at a rigs couldn't knock get Harrisout like that so easily. What is
there a Bears in Diehard sequel.What the PJ? He said, Bear?
He said, Bear, I thinkthe matter with you, p J.
It's the it's actually the Diehard sequel'scoming out called Cocaine Bear Diehard.

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That can we just can we justreview the trailer The Bear does a line
off the dude's leg. It's likehe does a line. Yes, he
does. I love that trailer somuch. That's a fucking great movie.
Radio. We just salute you forthat's your final role. All right,

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all right, let's move on andlet's actually get to the crux of the
matter. We have our categories inplace. Let's kick it off with the
better sidekicks. I will start withthis if you want it, I'm gonna
take this and run with that.All right. Look, I just I
just don't want to start better action. Okay, that's fine. Better sidekicks

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for this one. I went intothis thinking about, like, having rewatched
them any recently, I'm like,this is probably gonna be die Heard three
pretty easily because Sam is a greatsidekick for this role, and he's he
really adds so much to the franchise. I almost feel like he's just the
biggest one of the bigger parts ofthe franchise, despite him only being in

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one of the movies. Love itso much, and then I watched them
and I was like thinking, whatdo we have on le the Weapon side.
I don't even love Leo getting thisone. I'm not gonna lie Leo's
fine, but there's not a wholelot to him in this episode. Fine,
He's absolutely fine, I do it'sgonna turn Mattie off. That is

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very now. I love Leo likeno other. I love Leo and Leath
the Weapon two. I remember lovinghim and leth Weapon four. I just
don't think we have enough of himin this one. It's kind of like
a I don't think the movie knowswhat to do with them. They make
him a real estate broker. Thenthey put him in the hospital because we're
gotta get rid of him for alittle while. We can't have him in
the movie, so we're just gonnatoss He just is kind of doing his

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own shit, but he doesn't reallyhave a place with that being said Renee
Russo their first appearance, and myGod is Renee Russo the secret sauce at
Leath the Weapon three, Like herrelationship with Riggs is honestly this might be
blast By. I thought it wasactually almost better, almost better than Riggs

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and Murta, Like they just hadsomething together, so kind of magic chemistry
that maybe want to see the moreI wanted to see a Rigs and Lorner
movie at some point, like whenthey went off and written and Ritar was
by himself and they did the wholesequence with the dog and everything else.
I absolutely loved it. And soin this case, I'm giving this the
little Weapon three solely four renet Roussonow, did you want to blay my

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head off? I don't. Ifeel like I should, but I'm too
stunned. Yeah. Like, firstof like hearing you say what you said
about Leo the people Champion, thePeople's Pick, Like I love the dynamic
between John and Zeus, Like Ifeel like while the relationship is forced,

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like the chemistry isn't. At thesame time, I think Zeus carries the
whole movie. Oh interesting, McLeandoesn't really do much for me in Diehard
with Avengeance, it's more I'm moreentertained by the character of Zeus, and
I get that's where they made itas a leaf of weapon film. So
you see the Rigs and Murtar.Dynamic between them and the band is great.

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And be honest, I gotta includeJerry the construction worker from the Haar
with Avengeance in the sidekicks because healso helped John McLean out. And he
also reminds me put you on noticethose like older like New York City tour
bus drivers, but when you goon, when you go on the bus
tours around Manhattan, they're like tellingyou every single detail of like when whatever

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building was built in nineteen fifty whatever. Can I Jerry the dump truck driver
from later on? Yeah, butI don't know what possessed them to go
with the guy Fieri meets backstreet boyslook for Leo, but I respect it.
He's like the He's the ultimate ssidekick. Like, do you need someone

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to, you know, break upan international money laundering scheme? Leosi man?
You need someone sell your house?Leo's your man. Do you need
someone to tell to take a damnbullet for you? Leo's you man.
Do you need someone to find informationon a housing development that's being used as
part of an arms deal? Leo'syour man? Like you, what more

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could he do for you? Youwant? Rider? Ruso beat him to
it. Even even on the homedeal he was she was there just as
much as they were, so hecould have gotten to it. So they
didn't really need Leo. That wasall about getting Leo out of the way
the whole film. They didn't needLeo, but he was still there.
But they're trying to get him outof the way the whole time. That's
the whole thing. Not much forsidekick. They don't want him there.

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And I do like him eventually theylike they turned around and like him and
before, but in this case itjust feels like they're just got out of
the way. Leo. I don'tknow what to do with ye. I
don't know what to do with you, no, but I have agree with
you, lef A Weaponry a littlebit, okay, Leo, but it
can be partially right And that's okay, all right. Jarvy, how about

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you? What are you doing withleitha Weapon three or Diehard with a Vengeance
for I'm gonna take it one stepfurther and say Leo gets in. This
one was a little bit annoying,even I think I love him and Lethal
Weapon too. I think he's oneof the greatest side kicks. First off,
the hair the worst blonde hair piece. You can actually see that the

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hair piece is like glued on,you can see the sides. Okay,
that's just the look of him.But he keeps freaking He keeps fucking up
in the movie as well. Hestrives to sell the house, he keeps
messing up. I know, it'slike he has kind of a comedic touch
to it, but it's I don'tknow, he's sort of lost his mojo
in the third one. But butI didn't include him in the conversation because

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I feel like it's all about BuenhanaRusso versus Samuel Jackson, and in that
one like I'm I'm one on thesame page as your PLD. I feel
like, I think Samuel L.Jackson did I freaking awesome job. But
I think the fact that he's hadso many roles now after this, like
when the movie first came out,SAMUELA. Jackson was his role sort of

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felt fresher than it does now becausehe's done so many of these roles.
Now, he's done a lot ofthat stick that is doing there, which
which still makes it a good role. But Renee Russo was like the I
don't know the yin to Riggs isyang like they were. They were like
the chemistry was there and when theywere comparing the scars, like everything like

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they meshed so well together. Andthe fact that she's sort of this more
you know, more capable female characterin the Leaf of Weapon, because previously
when she was she was hooking upwith with the Dutch girl, right,
who was sort of more of thedamsel in distress. Yeah, Riggs needs
someone who can take care of themselves. Obviously they can put harm's way when

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you're to be with Riggs. Atleast, Renee Russo can definitely take care
of herself for sure. Yeah,and she challenges him and like you can
you but what you said, youyou'd love to see Renard Russo and Martin
Rigg's adventure. I think they're alittle too similar to just have the two
of them, so you kind ofneed more talking that one as well.
But but it's but it's all theway when in this one, Yeah,

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I see PG in the chack sayinghe went to stand for this Jackson Slanders
stander him. I said, hecarried the whole movie. I don't know
how much more praise I can give. Yeah, And PJ actually said over
Jackson. What well, I getit. That's fine. I think I'm
actually kind of sad for this episodewe scrapped the better hero category because I

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feel like this is actually where BruceWillis is. John McLean is the most
interesting, interesting type of care Yeah, this is he's like, so he
has more vices than he had before, sort so he's definitely down on his
lot, more ragged, more fuckedup mentally and physically, so he has
a hangover throughout the entire movie.He's not this, you know, perfect

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action hero. I do find itinteresting though, that you mentioned Jackson having
done a lot of these type ofroles since then, because to me,
I don't know, it makes mewonder. I don't even know where I
stand on this, like because lookingat it something so many years on with
the hind scope of how it's donedone since then, is an interesting conversation
to have. I don't know ifit's fair to look at it that way,

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but I don't know, but Iunderstand. I can understand why you
would in a way. Also,it's kind of like an interesting thing.
I think I can't hold it againstJackson for that because it wasn't original thing,
but I do understand why it's lessentertaining to you overall because of that.
I get that. I guess that'sa degree. It's still either way.
So I love Jackson in the role. I still love Jackson's role on
this. I do think it's prettyhilarious. Again, I just wanted with

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Rusa Moore. But all right,enough of that category. We're done with
that. Let's move on to bettervillain. Uh do you want to start
this on jarviy since you went lastlast time? Go ahead, Jarvy Diary.
I I mean this is this isI feel like where where the pattern
really comes in with a weapon anddiehard Diehard movies, lethal weapon usually isn't

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really about the villain. It's it'sabout it's about the leads, it's about
the relations, it's about the humorand the action. But it's not really
about the villain. And this isvery evident in this one as well.
Also, Jerry myrons Is Simon isthe second best Diehard villain. I mean,
he's almost as freaking good as HansGruber. He he has sort of

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the same mannerisms, but he's differentenough that it doesn't feel like Jerry Marens
is copying, not at all definitelyhis villain, and we won't we won't
bring up Andrew Guy's opinion that SimonGrieber is actually the better Gruber. We
won't talk about that knows that herewell better better Gruber in the like like

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when you put the character itself,like if if you put two of them,
so this is I know this conversationis going against this, going against
Cavil and PSH again, but whenyou put them up against each other,
like Hans Scruper was mostly in hissuit in the chair commanding people around.
Okay, he had that awesome wherehe was to pretending to be American.

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But Simon is more I don't know, he's doing more in this one.
He's doing the suite thing, he'scontrolling everyone, he's doing the riddles,
he's doing the action, he's doingthe fighting Tan Top facing down John mclaid
more. But Hans Hans Gruber's charismais just off the charge. He's more
iconic, but more capable. I'dsay Simon is more capable in this movie

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only because he's doing work. Becausehe's doing more, Hans and need to
do more. That's how good Hans'sa good Hans plan. Oh yeah,
but you're arguing for my point atthe moment, I disagree with you entirely.
Okay, all right, I gowith villains. So if you go
talking about this villains, getting backto the actual discussion on hand. With
these two films, I agree,Travis is the shitty villain where he discusses
in no way. Simon Gruber isa far more engaging, more excited,

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more fun villain than Travis. Everwas Travis, And it wasn't his fault.
I think it was just not written. The character wasn't written. Now,
it was written as a chricterature.They just like basic seed of book.
I will have an X copy ofthe villain so he can have access
to the LAPD weaponry and all thatkind of stuff. And that sounds like
a kind of a cool thing.I kind of like the idea behind it.
It just doesn't go anywhere. Hefeels like a little bit cartoonish.

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It feels a little mustache twirling.I don't feel like I'm engaged with him
very much at all, even atthe end when he gets a little more
with him, a little more timeon him. It's fine, But so
far out of all the villains we'vetalked about in the entire franchise, Battle
one, two, and three.This is my least favorite villain of them
all so far. Maddie, whatabout you did? I already wrote down

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all three for Diehard three lady,so you don't don't. Yeah, I
don't know. I mean I ppretty much earlier, and the Chavis did
absolutely nothing for me. And Iwant to kind of expand on Job's point
a little bit. I think thereason they are so different is because he
knew John McClain was going to cometo him. That's why he didn't have
to do anything. That's why hecould go off and he could do the

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riddles, he could do with theaction and everything. While Hans was more
than a man in the chair,Simon could just stand back and be like,
he's gonna come to me eventually.I want him to come to me.
He killed my brother. I wanthim here, so I'm gonna let
him do all the work and I'mjust gonna sit back and do what I
need to do. And he's justso damn. I love Jeremy Lyons.

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I fucking love Jeremy Allons. Likehe's just so charismatic and I don't know
how he's one of these people thatyou don't know how. He's just so
damn charismatic on screen, but anytimeyou're on there, you're like, WHOA
right, you know. I gottasay it's interesting you say that though about
him, because I really honestly feellike if he had gotten away, if

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I'm gonna get away with the moneyand knock at a revenge on drama clean,
I think he'd have been just fine. I think the I think the
vengeance thing was a like he kindof admits it was a ploy, like
we just want to like because gettingall the detective to think this is all
about Jamaclan when it's not at allabout Dama Clay is really about getting the
Federal Reserve. Like it's a greatmental game, Like they think it's about

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this. I'm gonna make them thinkit's about this, but really it's just
kind of a it's a thing Ican use to my benefit now if I
get the chance to kill him lateron for revenge, sure, but that's
like that's the frosting on it forhim, Like if he gets away and
McLain gets away, Scott free,whatever, I got my money, I
got to the side, which countryI'm gonna buy. I don't need it.

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I don't have to worry about fuckingIrish flat foot guy. So but
as he says, yeah, allright, let's move on into better story,
better story, I guess, Maddiewant to start this one off since
you're the next one up. Yeah, I feel like with Leaf of Weapons
three, I'm much preferred the kindof inner workings and the how do you

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put it? Then the more personalstory points over the overall thread of Jack
Travis getting the guns and like doingthe arms deal and stuff. But that
was like, okay, crooked Corpturns armed dealer, col seeing it a
million times, it was. Itwas this stuff, particularly with Murta,
like him shooting his son's friend likeshit like that. I was like,

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whoa, Okay, that's going intoan area we haven't been with lethal weapon
and you know, you have Murtar'sabout to retire. How does that affect
Riggs and that whole their whole relationship, Like they're trying to keep it together,
but Riggs knows, you know,once Murtar's gone, what the hell
am I gonna do? Like I'vegot this family now, once you're gone,

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what have I? What have Igot? Am I? Going to
take on this this kid that's followingme around. You want me to deal
with Leo every day without you?Hell no. But I feel like even
if they had done it as eithera lethal weapon movie, a die Hard
movie, or they just did anaction movie called Simon says, I feel

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like this story at die Hard witha Vengeance stands out most to me because
of the whole Simon says, theriddle thing and then like leading it on
to the point where the Federal Reserve. I just feel like that's more innovative
at the time. So I feellike that story, I don't know,
that story appeals to me more.I'm gonna jump on board here because quite

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frankly, I agree one hundred andten percent. I feel like the story,
some of the story you beats onlythrough Weapon three are better for exactly
what you said. There's that's whatI was mentioned before. It gets you
some deep shit like Brinta his griefover killing his child's friend and his relationship
with his son because of it,how he can't go home, how he

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goes into the bottle and he hasthe great sequence with at the funeral,
with with the kid's mother and father, with the perfectly played. Of course,
the boys to bands Hard to SayGoodbye, which was a big one
of the biggest songs of the time, almost two on the news for at
the time, and that moment ofthe Rigs getting that whole sequence where he

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lets it out is like so upsetabout the fact that he has nothing without
Riggs's, without Merta's family. Ithink the story beats are much better than
more emotional, more deeper. However, I agree with the full story of
Diehard diventions, with the interconnectivity withthe like how it's so intricately played,
with the riddles, with the twistof and not being like that moment where

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the kid he's stealing the bite andkids like you could steal shitting all and
that moan of realization on Bruce Willis'sface he knows the whole thing to twist
again. I think I got togive the overall story to Diehard to because
I can't. I can't penalize Diehardthree for not wanting to go to a
deep characterization. These weapons always kindof had that. Diehard's always been more

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of a popcorn action movie, andthat's okay if it's a well done,
well crafted popcorn action movie, whichthis is. Then I can say that
it doesn't necessarily matter, but wedon't go too deep with it. And
Jarry, before we get to you, I want to throw out the reef
is asking and when he's seen thealternative ending of Diehard avengeance I did and

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as the DVD basically, the ideawas that Jeremy Irons gets away with it.
He gets away with the whole thing, and sometimes after the events,
uh, Bruce de pins the wholething on McClay. Mcclan gets used for
escape go fit everything that went wrong, He gets like fire from the NYPD
and they even take away his pensionand things like that, and he goes
on this act question tracks down,He tracks down Simon years later at a

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bar in Hungary, ends up killinghim like as a killing Simon, and
it just seems such a weird,like glad they didn't do it because it
was so like it was so notdie Hard though, because that's exactly my
point. Diehard is Diehard supposed tobe about something happening to the every man.
John McClain is not the I'm goingto track you down and kill you

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kind of anti hero. It's justit's not a die Hard movie, so
it doesn't fit. So I likedit as a I liked it as an
alternative ending and for cutting, butI'm very glad they didn't use it as
the even though the film, youknow, even if Diehard with the Venice
Weakness is probably the last ten minutesthe movie, they kind of feel like
they just sure, they didn't reallyknow how to end it in a way

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dumb ending. I think they allare dumb endings. I don't think this
was this. I don't think thiswas the ending to go with either,
to be honest with you, Sowhat about you, Jared, what do
you think about the better story?Overall? I would have loved the alternate
ending, I'll be honest. Ifelt like Diehard three ended like two times
pretty much. They got off theboat, they blew it up, that's

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where supposed to and there was anotherhelicopter chase I got got kind of convoluted.
But the overall story, I doagree that the Murta storyline were at
the funeral and the way he feltthe guilt killing the friend of his son.
That was probably the best parts ofthe story in Lethal Weapon three.

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And also they gave Merta way moreto do this. Usually Riggs is sort
of the character that the audience connectsto. Now it's definitely both of them.
They didn't take a lot away fromRace because he still had the rener
Russo storyline everything else, but Murtakind of was given enough and more to
do in this one. But yeah, I'm I'm I'm totally achoing with you,

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guys said, I think Diehard threegave us a lot of mind games
with the storyline now and the freakingruse that Simon pulled with with the fact
that John McLain was the pretty muchto the decoy, the bombings were the
decoy, and finally finding out thathe's a grouper as well, Like now

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you kind of you know the twistis coming, but the way they say
it and the way it happens,like his brother silent group, like that
moment everything is sort of coming together. I think it's and it's it's weird.
It's kind of very ironic talking abouta movie that was written for Leaf
the Weapon and now we're saying thestory is better for Diehard three because it

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was a Leaf the Weapon movie.But yeah, you gotta go with Diehard
for with this one. Okay,all right, let's move on to better
action and better action. Ana Jarvydid not want to start this, so
I will, I will take thisone back. I can't decide. Really
okay for me, this was prettystill pretty clear cut. I gotta honest
you. I still think Diehard threeor Die Heard three has a better action

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overall. I love that it hasmore crisp action to it. I loved
the explosions. A lot of thebig explosions that were done, they were
actually really solidly done explosions like thesubway going off the trail, uh,
the explosion, the beginning, thedam blowing up with the water. I
love the water sequence when he's chasingdown Bruce. And also the dump truck

(42:13):
and it gets thrown out and spitout in the air. I love that
sequence done. Even the non likeaction, like the action. There's action
sequences in the non action scenes,even like when they're figuring out the riddles
and stuff, it still seems likethere's a tense, active scene going on.
I love the shootout in the vault. I loved a lot of the
fights in the boat itself. Uh. There's a lot of great action pieces

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to it. Whereas leave the Weaponthree. They had the opening sequence,
which was a negative to me becauseI felt like it was so over the
top. It felt like a parody, like there's no way Rigs goes in
there and and like doesn't wait forthe bomb squad thing that this whole thing
just I was like, if you'regoing to risk everything because you're crazy.
I know it's supposed to be,oh Riggs's crazy, but seems so stupid

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over just seem like it's a stupidopening. It's a waste of a bomb
sequence there. And no, Igotta love the Yankee stadium scene. It's
good because there's no Yankees in thatcarmicle, That's why. But there's a
lot of great other action moments withWeapon three. The ending action is great.

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That the battle of the construction yardever, that's kind of some cool shit
going out the fire and I lovehe pops the gas tank and drives the
truck around and the sets the fireup to explode it the whole thing.
That's freaking sweet. I love thatbit. I do love also love all
of the Rene Russo kicking gas sequences. Those are pretty cool overall. But

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I gotta say, I mean,besides that, the diehard is more consistently
good action wise, because the tensionis there more. I think the dire
sequences, I feel like something's goingon, like the school. But my
favorite action sequences at all haven't youmentioned yet was at the Chester A Archer
School where you have the the bombtech who I love that guy. He's

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like two of the scenes, buthe was such a great character. I'm
staying and he's like he's doing now. He's trying to get the bomb up,
and then they're rushing to get thekids. They're throwing the kids on
the roof and stuff like that,and then Charlie goes. Charlie gets the
pancakes syrup. What's going on?It's so confusing, but it's just a
great fun action sequence. So I'mgiving into Diehard easily for me. And

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he gets excited about the bomb andthe sort of ingredients, like sort of
he's like this is amazing, veryjet But when Charlie is at the at
the least precinct, he's like,yeah, amazing stuff, really cool stuff.
He's a little pyro that he is. This is a good character.
It's a great character. I thinkthat Ange actually gets those kind of cool
characters you have him you like Jerrybecause therefore the dumb truck worker Chester Arthur

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did you know collectors in New York? I love that guy. I'm sorry,
so go ahead, And who elsewants to talk about action sequences?
Now? Did you did you lovethe Did you actually love the scene where
John McLean's gets shot out of thesewer. That sort of such a dumb
moment. It is usually Diehard Iknow, it's like outrageous action, but

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it's usually still grounded or sort ofgrounded. This was just to have a
plane cuppit as well, so itkind of ties back in no no,
but that's that's a parash. That'show you're supposed to fly out of a
like shoot out of an airplane.I don't know that there's moments where it's
the unbelievability is believable, if thatmakes sense. But that moment was completely

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out of wag to. I don'tknow, he flew too high, but
but but that moment alone, it'sit's not going to sort of ruin the
action in Diehard three. But Iwas not a fan of the like the
final third of the movie. Likeas I said, so on the ship,
I felt like this was kind ofgeneric what was going on, and

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the way the boat up that wasreally bad sort of special effects that you
could sort of tell that it wasthe first bombings that happened in the city.
They were done pretty well, butthe final I don't know, maybe
they got tired at the end ofthe movie, the editing everything, they
were sort of just they kind ofgave up. And I'm going to argue
that I loved the beginning scene inLeaf a Weapon three. I thought it

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was freaking so on brand I hadso much fun. This was exactly what
Riggs is about. Of course he'snot going to wait for the bomb squad.
That's Riggs. If you would havewaited for the bomb squad, this
would not be a Leaf the Weaponmovie. This would not be Martin Riggs.
And the fact that they also savedthe cat they run out the building
blows up, I mean, andit also ties into the storyline that they

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get demoted to being the traffic cups. So it all makes sense for a
Leaf a Weapon war, in myopinion, it does. It does.
Yes, they get beaten down,taken down to beat First of all,
they had been fired, they wouldhave been fired or they just got to
motor instead, and I got tomotor for what I'll like ten minutes.

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Let's got a funny moment to getto see them in their beat uniforms.
Oh, ten minutes later, you'reback to being detective a guest just a
uniform. He had to wear aponytail. He had the freaking rat tail
right here. That was. Oh, that was a way more demeaning than
the actual uniform for him. Butthere was there was a lot of cool.
I feel like Leath the Weapon threereally pumped it up in this one

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because I love the armored car sequenceweeks through throwing like flying around the trucks,
and they very much over the topfemale police officers who see it hitting
on Marta so over the top.But I was laughing, like I was
just laughing. I know, it'skind of a stereotypical character that's been used

(47:52):
in like the nineties action movies orsomething like that. But and also the
hockey scene also like there was alot of cool action set piece and it
was like it was diverse. Ifeel like the set pieces were very diverse.
Usually Leath the weapons, they kindof feel like I can't differentiate one
action scene from the other. Ifeel like this one was they sort of

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cracked the code on the action here, and yeah, I'm going with Leath
the Weapon three. Although die Hardthe first two thirds actually like real solid
action, freaking awesome Diehard action,but the way the leaf of Weapon three
sort of upped their action and inthe third one, I'm I'm gonna give
it to that one. Okay,Maddie, you're gonna split the bill here,

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I am gonna agree with Jolly Wow, because, as I said on
previous episodes of this debate with whenit comes to Leath the Weapon die Hard,
I want bombast, I want big, I want stupid, and that
that starting scene, it even goesto when they're when they are demoted,
They're like, oh, I cutthe red wire, and then they told

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me. He's just like, yeah, well I did cut the blue wives.
Like I thought he cut the redwire. No, I cut the
red wire, That's what I said. Like, they keep going with it
and it becomes like this running jokeand then you have the one thing I
love about the end fight between Riggsand Travis. Now in the first episode

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we did, I hated the lastfight between him and Gary Buse. I
hated it. I thought it whenI was a kid, I would watch
it. I was like, yeah, they'd throwing spinning kicks and they look
cool. This one was just twocops getting fucking grimy, grabbing hold of
each other and trying to beat theliving shit out of each other, rolling
on the ground, trying to killeach other. I'm like, yeah,

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cool, that's what I want fromcrazy Gibson. Grab the guy, put
him on his back, and startbeating the shit out of him. That's
the kind that's the kind of thingI want to see now. I love
the And there was also the freeForcen Enough it was pretty sweet as well.
I love the elevator scene in IDie Hard with a Vengeance when he

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asked them what the lotter numbers were, because it was the call back to
the lot of numers things story toevery every cop chooses their badge number right,
and the guy didn't know, andthat's how he knew. I will
say, let me interject really quickly. This was that it comes to mind
dire. The Vengeance did that acouple of times. They did this like
they're going to lay out something andthey call back to real later on,

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like very smart writing that way.And the six nine nine one the badge
Ember mentioned. They also the onethat really kind of threw me a love
it the fact that they mentioned thedumb trucks being stolen much earlier on like,
oh, what are your caselves.There's a murder here, murder here,
fourteen dumb trucks were stolen it orwhatever, and ever like, oh,
so we started a construction company allof a sudden in a movie you're
like, oh, the dumb trucksthat were stolen earlier. I remembered that.

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Yeah, I like a little tisand they do all throughout the whole
thing, so it's pretty impressive.I'm sorry, go ahead, Maddie.
I said that was even though nowwhen I see scenes like that, I
just can't help but think Captain America. Yeah, the old Yeah, it's
true, it's true, trying todo another roads. But one part I
think was really fucking sweet was whenthey drive the truck off of the bridge

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and they take the guy out byswinging down when they like first get onto
the boat. I thought that waspretty sweet, right, But I just
say, I want I want Bombback when it comes to the fish franchises
in particular, I want Bomb back. If I want by dark and like
gretty fighting. I can go tosomething like the right to watch that with

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this, I want big explosions guns. Yeah, all right, all right,
I'll give you that. I'll giveyou that. Okay, we're kind
of close, close battle here,interesting to see. So let's say hit
that final category. As we wrappedthese things up, better one liners,
better one liners, I would notto say, it's kind of funny.
There were less one liners this time. I thought, more funny. Dialogue's

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not as quick with the snaps,so to speak. Of course, we
have the best one of the fairsof the rigs one you know you're the
right, remains silent. Anything yousay ain't gonna be much. That was
a good one. Yeah, throwsome mother. Let's just throw out mother.
That's what we did last time,to just throw someone's he liked and
what he didn't like it. We'llgo to who who we think is the
better one, the best one.The best one has to be from Riggs.

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We can't shoot a dog. People, okay, but not dogs.
I mean this is I like theh and zeus, like, hey,
the twenty first president, fund yourselfNew York. I love the one where

(52:35):
they're in the hockey rink and Lea'slaying there and he show He's like,
I'm dying rot, I'm so cold, and just guards Lear You're laying on
the ice. And also in thein the police precincts where he's like,
where does it say that gun showrequires a right to examp? Yeah?
Where the telescope big enough to seeVenus? And then Rick just replies,
I guess all they say is Uranus. Huh uh. Speaking of the dumb

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truck lad earlier is like, whatare they doing? Started a construction company?
And then the other guy who isan underrated character, Joe Lambert,
the other detective in Direhard of aVengeance who kind of like rips on John
a lot. No, it's John'slandlady going to clean his apartment. I
loved it when John McLean was justmeeting Zeus and he goes he calls him

(53:22):
CAUs or Jesus. First, Yeah, it's Zeus, Yes, Zeus as
Father Apollo, mount Olympus. Don'tfuck with me, or I shove a
liking bolt up your eyes? Gota problem with that? No? No?
Uh, speaking of it's similar time, I think I like what Ernie
the detectives like from what I've seenof the record is the only thing they

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do they do contribute is mayhem achaos. No, I'm chaos. He's
a man. We're double act something. This one that I thought it was
kind of funny, but I knowapprobably shouldn't be funny is when uh Zus
Zeus and John are like walking andhe's like, oh, you're famous something,
and he's talking about nacotomy and justgoes, don't tell me, Rodney
King Right, there's a lot oflike like a lot of racial like borderline

(54:10):
racial jokes in that one. There'sa lot of them. He just goes
over the top of him a bitof a character in a way. One
of my favorite, one my favoritelines is because it showcases exactly what they're
like, is when Riggs and confrontswith MYRTA on his boat and he's drunk

(54:34):
his hell and they're fighting each otherand he did he thinks he slept with
Red. Urta punches about and Riggsgrabs on the water and the cops of
the boat, I'm like, whatare you guys doing down there? What
are we doing down there? Andrig just s listener goes in the middle
of the case. Got they likelaugh the big fight, the big all

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drama fight, and then they arelike best of friends, brothers laughing it
off and finished it off. That'swhere I've heard lines. The whole whole
thing. The line that precedes themoment you're talking about is when when Riggs
like has it's not a one liner, but when Reeg sort of has this
hard too hard to martown, whenit just goes like when you were tired,

(55:14):
don't you get it? You retireus? And it talks about like
you said, it talks about thefamily, like you're the only family I've
got. I've got three beautiful kids. I love them, they're yours.
Wow. I mean that's that's athat's not just a comedic moe. That's
like a hard hitting, like greatmonologue, not a monologue, just a
line there. I gotta tell youguys that I think we should even you

(55:37):
should expand this category out and Ithink this should be like a st stable
category a lot of fun. Alwaysjust quick thrown out our favorite line of
dialogue from the movie. It everkind of that's a good way to do
it. Something We're going to keepthis going forward. I think I'm supposed
to be favorite though it's supposed tobe best of something, but favorite and
best the same type. It almostit is very similar in this kind of

(55:58):
category. I think. I thinkin this cind where it's it's it's it
can be different because usually your favoritesare because of the best moments and and
that you liked. I mean,I get that what you're saying about other
categories. In this particular category,I do feel like favorite and best overlap
a lot more, a lot morethan other categories would. But let's move
on to the best. Like,let's figure out what our we have best

(56:21):
one liners? Which is the bestone liners or dialogue in out of these
two movies. I will go aheadand say I think overall, I gotta
go with die Hard because we didlabel it one liners. We labeled it
one liners, so I have tostick with the more one lener snappy things
with more die Hard than it was. Leave the weapon dialogue. But I

(56:45):
think that he's got, like Isaid, very cool stuff. I'm gonna
go with Diehard, Maddie, Ithink it's just the opposite. Sorry,
all right, God Jarby, hereyou started to go ahead. All my
favorite lines from die Hard are likeconversations like longer sentences. Leaf the Weapon

(57:07):
three is like pretty much just oneliners. It's the dog one. It's
when Lorna Cole goes, this isPMS. It's murder murto. Yeah,
I know what you mean. I'vebeen married twenty five years. There's Martin
Riggs goes at the very end,like grab his clusters when when Lorna grabs

(57:28):
a man's crutch, making murtehind Riggswins sort of. I feel like there's
the die hard ones are conversational ones. Leaf the weapon I think has better
one liners in the Scotch one alittle that you mentioned. Yeah, I'm
going to leave the weapon, Okay, Maddy, go ahead and finish this
out. Yeah, I agree withJavi, like they're more like snappy one

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line. One liner to me isa quite you can put on a T
shirt, something, something you cansell with merchandise. And I feel like
Leath the Weapon has more of those. Die Hard three definitely has them.
I just feel like Leaf the weaponhas more. All right, that's fair,
that's fair interesting, which means folks, that we are done, We
are totally done with this and uh, this is well, you know what

(58:13):
I got up there? Ryan,Ryan's got a good one next too.
That's true. We'll be back topick up in fifteen minutes. Take your
time, expect to be dead andfour and actually don't know how to throw
out there too. I want tothrow one more out there. I loved
the whole Like obviously I Sam Jacksonhas told his nephew or whatever kid this
a billion time. They're like,back and forth, who are you?

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We are doing this? Why areyou going to school to get educated?
Why? Because we got to getbetter? They get It's back and forth.
It's obviously been done so many timebetween them and who don't want to
help us? The white man.It's it's so funnily done. Like I
think it's a great addition. Butokay, it is. We are.
We are very close in here.The winner by a score of eight to

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seven one point. It is dieHard with a Vengeance. Oh fair,
fair, fair, fair enough atthe end. If we had given a
snap judgment, I would pick Diehardwith a Vengeance the better. So I'm
glad it actually worked out that way. I did not expect it to be

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quite this close. At the endof the day, it doesn't matter if
you win by a sleep, ifyou win by one point the winner Edge
Champion. I saw Matty smirk whenwe were edging close to the final category.
Him and I both went lead theweapon, and we knew. I

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knew that Maddy was going to leadthe weapon again, and I think he
knew that I was going to withthe weapon, so I think that Smirk
was gonna actually take it. Itwas it was like if a job,
if you had been in the sameroom as me I, I feel like
like we would have been like lookingeach other, like let's do this,

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Let's pick this up a little bit. For Leaf the Weapon, it's getting
a bit too close, which meansthough Diehard is now winning the serious battle
two to one one, so wehave one movie left at this point,
because we do have a technically speaking, there is I think a fifth Diard
movie, which we don't really talkabout. We don't affect Leath the Weapon
movie to coat it. So thelast next week's battle between Live fore or

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die Hard and Leath the Weapon fouris the last battle for now, and
can I say, I must admitthat we'll be a smidgeon of bias next
week because Leath the Weapon four hasthe hots us debut of a childhood hero
of mine, So expect bloodshed nextweek. Okay, it's gonna I feel

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like it's going to be. It'sgonna be pretty tight. But you know
what, the funny thing is,villains. What a villain kind of battle?
This is because he got Jet Leeconvent him with the elephants. All
Right, no contest, we're gonnaget We'll get that next week. But

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it's a contest for me, I'lltell you that much, because I love
the Elephants, so he doesn't,especially in this movie. So we'll get
that though. Way, that's notjust him, it's not just him.
He has a very cool henchwoman.Yes, yes he does. That's very
true. That's very true. I'mgonna say something that's because that's that's in

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the past. Now, Live Freeor die Hard was my favorite die Hard
movie for like ten years. Wow, yeah, saying it's the best interesting.
Interesting. I'm actually very much lookingforward because this is actually a battle
or I definitely love both movies quitea bit, and so I can't wait

(01:01:57):
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Dudes on film coming out some Thursdayrather Thursday. So we are finishing out
the final Destination saga. And youknow what, since we are here,
I'm gonna I'll spoil something from twomedocre white Dudes on a film. We
announced it our next our next series. We're going through lethal Weapon. We're
gonna go through Lethal Weapon, soI can't wait to talk to you guys

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about that. I've talked to PGabout back to go through every all four
in depth of the Lethal Weapon movies. I'm excited. Beyond that, we
also have Crown Jewels, My Journeythrough Queen. Every song on the Queen
Catalog this week says now I'm here, a rocking track from Sheer heart Attack,
and finally tomorrow, Matti gun Erand I. You'll see Matti Gunn

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and I in episode two of HolySnokes, a Star Wars podcast, as
we dive deep into the bad Batchepisode three from tonight, as well as
some news rumors and more. Itshould be very, very exciting. And
I will say on air, Ryan, yes, I got your GVD.
I watched it. We'll talk aboutit soon. We do One Place Beyond

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the Pies. I love that,Mary, I did. I just saw
it the first time this week.Pretty up against Drive Drive, because it's
both. There's there's some driving inboth. There's some stunt driving in both.
There in both there is we good. We'll talk about it. We'll

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talk about it's all right. We'llput in the band for more on the
mentaform and we can't do it.Next we have our next one. We
have the next class action series aswell, not serious for class action episode
already picked out, ready to go. We won't announce that one here,
But Maddie, where on the folksfind you? You find me on Twitter,

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News. You on Twitter. Youalso find me in a letterboxed and yeah,
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Film maybe a fifth show coming soon. So I'm not quite ready to announce
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But yeah, that's it, guys, Thank you so much justice has
been served. And what I willsay a rit it. What's the supposed
to jarby? What's that final thing? I don't remember what it is that
you can say at this time saidI know, but you can you say
it? And banging do the wholething. Justice has been served. Court

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is a Jerg thank you