Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness (2022) vs Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania (2023)

PLD, Matty, & Jarvi put up the two recent wild visually driven MCU films - both of which seem to be very polarizing. There may be a hot take or two here....
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point. I shouldn't do that.I should actually make that announcement. Heads
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movies for podcasts. I couldn't watchanything else, and it was kind of

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like a little bit stressed, stressfulat that point, and I talked about
that other podcasts coming out planned tobe made at this point. Don't you
enjoy like when you when you're whenyou're at home watching a movie and like
if Kim or one of your childrengo like why are you watching? You
could say it's it's for work.For a proadcast, this is for work.

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It's true. I love it.It's easy to do that way and
actually it's very funny's anthem. Igot to appeared last night I recorded I
should have recorded episode of You NeverSeen It with Alison's salimony, and I
got to rewatch the Abyss. Sothat was the I got to I got
to rewatch the Abyss for work,and so that was like I got an
excuse to us this. Now I'mall on board. I mean, the

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only way you get me to watchmoon foll is for what we did it,
and we're gonna do it again.Moonfall is going to go up against
somebody else. Oh yeah, justjust we pick one episode that we redo,
just like Action Movie and Adam,it's just redoing some of their older
stuff. So we just picked one. And why do we pick moon for
versus I don't know. I willconveniently catch the plate that day. We

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could do moon Fall versus Moon Raker, did you move out there? I
just wanted to just Moon versus Moonfall. That would be a very different episode.
Well it's like now it's a fewpeople in the shot flicking real of
course, doctor Strange. We're stilltalking about that movie more than Love Thunder

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and in this house, just likeokay, Kelly, w Yes, I
we are here, and yes itis stilly hash to play peel the situations
of course turns love this boy.Honest, Quantumnium might be my favorite MC
movie next to First Avenger. Ijust we watched the to confirm that is

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awesome, and I can tell youwhy it is. I can tell you
why it is because it's the mostStar Wars film in Yes, it is
most definitely is uh And then Isay move forwards, Geostrom. Yes that
we actually did that. As yougo back and check it out, it's
a great it was a great episode. It's the only it's the only time

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that Ed Harris on the thumbnail.Maybe we did. We did the abyss
the that was the joke part thatthat was. It was a secret.
It was the secret hidden thumbnail forthat. We did do Khodo Chrome though
versus a judge back in the oldand we've done the Rock versus Connor,

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so he must have been on therebefore. Was the first time in a
long time I've gotten him on there. Exactly matter because you think like us,
you're one of us. That's that'sthe whole reason. All right,
Well, today's episode, so itis Doctor Strange, the Multiverse of Madness,
versus ant Man Wasp Quantum Mania.We usually do a game beforehand,
but we're gonna forego the game thisweek because ant Man in the Wasp Quantumnia

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is a new movie that just cameout that we all saw, so we
figured we'd used the beginning part ofour show to kind of give it a
mini review to give our thoughts onit. This will be spoilers, obviously.
This whole episode is spoilers for thatmovie. If you haven't figured that
out yet. If you haven't seenthe movie, don't watch us. Wait,
watch the movie come back. Butlet's get our thoughts out there.
I already said it's the Star Warsas a huge film we've gotten. We'll

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start with you, Jarviy. Whatdid you think about the film. I've
seen it twice now watch it againyesterday, and I really really dug it
more of the second time around.So I'm not in the camp if I'm
loving it, but I really enjoyedit a lot, and I think it's
not just a Star Wars movie.It's a very It's the most sci fi

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that I think I've seen Marvel gowith the Quantum le with the creatures.
I think it was a bit tooheavy on the CGI side, and maybe
not the CGI side, but thefact that the CGI was I don't know.
At times, it felt like they'reall in front of a great screen.
It was kind of you know,the background the visuals at times.

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They were awesome at times, butthere were times when it felt flat.
So yesterday I watched it in threeD and that's the first time I've ever
ever going to recommend the movie tobe seen in three D when it's not
shotting three D. The background actuallygave it a lot more depth, and
the three D did make it betterinteresting. So that's I will say that
I never I never got a chanceto see this in three D, but

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that makes it more interesting to meto try to. Maybe we'll go back
and Washington three D. Yeah,I did love the visuals. Of course,
we know that the Marvel Studios hashad an issue recently with the visuals.
It's kind of in the news asfar as like forcing the CGI careers
to work extra YadA, YadA,YadA. Hopefully that's actually going to be
solved because of the news that youknow, Papa Bob I here is back

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in charge and he has decided tosay we're slow down on Marvel just a
little bit, give them room tobreathe and let them have their chance to
try to rush everything out like certainlymister Chappick was doing. So. Yeah,
Papa Papa Bob knows this thing.And of course it was revealed like
Kevin Figgy also had asked to slowdown and mister J. Pikins said no,

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no, nay, nay, there'sthe reason why he's out on the
street now. Hiently, it wasit was kind of a factory. It
started to feel like a factory ofa studio. It's still gonna take Obviously,
it's gonna take a little while tochange the wheels, so to speak.
You can't just automatically do with oneay, so you got to kind
of turn in the car as someof the things I've been in works already,

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So I wouldn't expect something too quick. But I bet it will work.
It will get done. That's theimportant. Mattie, what did you
think about the movie? You knowwhat really chapicks my ass when people will
use and I get it's the jobcritics, reviewers and everything to base their

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opinion about a film they haven't seen. I really fucking enjoyed this movie.
I thought this movie was a lotof fun and like Kenji and like you
guys, it's probably because it's themost Star Wars movie, and I love
Star Wars. But you've got tothink you need the Iron Man's, the
Thaws, the Captain America, firstAvengers before you get to the end game.

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This is the start of something new. This is the kickoff. We
had Fase four, which was kindof like, Okay, it's tiding us
over. Most of the stuff wasshot in Quarantine, Lase blah. This
was a really good kickoff point forme because it brought all these new characters
in. Jonathan Major's was absolutely incredible. Absolutely that dude. I'm going to

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a screening of Creed three this weekend. I cannot wait to see him in
it because of what he did asKang in it. Like he is so
so menacing in this just his mannerisms, the way he walks with his chest
puffed out, his shoulders back,and like he looks like a conqueror.
He looks like a king in theway that he walks is just so menacing,

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and like his build like I wouldlook. There were certain moments It's
actually that at the end when hewas fighting Scott and it wasn't superhero versus
super villain. It was just twodudes beating the living shit out of each
other. And I was just like, God, damn, I can't wait
for Creed three watching him throw alevel with Michael B. Jordan, who

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is also jacked. I can't wait. And it also showed that like Kang
is a villain, that yeah,he's got all these powers, he's all
powerful, but he ain't afraid toget his hands though. He't afraid to
just be like, you know what, let's let's just fight, let's just
rock and soccer. Matter of thegates. I loved a lot of it.
There were a couple of twists thatI didn't see coming that I was

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like, huh, I would havethought this would have taken me out.
But I was pleasantly surprised at someof the twists in the movie. But
my one gripe where was Louise?Yeah? Amazing Louis. Yeah, he
should have been the one who narratedthe freaking thing, right, thank you?
Imagine him doing like a recap ofeverything that's gone on in Scott's life

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up to this point, or justhim doing a recap of all of Phase
four leading up to this moment,it would have been so good. All
right, well, really quick beforeI give my thoughts, Maddy and Chad
asked you should to see patch.Pj's thoughts on this episode. His Multiverse
of Manas is his numer movie.I am actually two. As far as

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the comparison, I do know PJlikes like to get me quite a bit
man. It was also continue QuantumMania. It may not be a perfect
film, but no film is.This movie is just wonderful. I love
the addition of a hero Scott versusKang, which is the perfect old school
movie adventure. Mike Deacons saying Iwalked out of the theater with a lot
to say about Doctor Strange. Ifelt next to nothing leaving at Man.

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Kelly w Is saying the idea ofthe first three phases were all perfect movies
is so overblown. There were goodmovies and bad movies. They just started
the landing with Infinity Warren Endgame.Yeah, and I will say Michael Eagan
say Mike you can saying neither ofthese are even remotely close to top level
MCU. But I'll take zombies strainingsevery day. That's a good point,
all right. I want to bringup actually before I go into it again,

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and Kelly, what Kelly said aboutsticking the landing with Infinity Warren endgame.
It's something that I preached a longtime ago when an endgame first came
out. I think I did nothear it did somewhere on the channel.
I feel like everything after endgame Endgamewas so big a stakes wise that it
just feels like everything else felt extrainingus afterwards. It's we had to do
this big reset to begin in thebeginning, and I don't know, I

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can't say for sure if MCU haswe've done that yet, he's really done
that job about like really getting usmoving towards a new next and game type
of event. It's got to startdoing so soon. I think I expected
a little bit of a reset insome time, but I feel like it's
kind of like, Okay, it'sstill stagnated a little bit where in terms,

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we've got to move things forward,and man did do that and then
did start that path finally, Ithink as far as well, barely,
yeah, barely, but that's exactlymy point. I will say I did
enjoy the movie quite a bit,Okay, for the exact reasons I said
before, and for the exact reasonsI said Maddie liked it, and Maddie
both Maddy's liked it, and Jarvyas well. It is a Star Wars

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type movie. They can't the scenewith Bill Murray in the in the canteen
that basic a little bit short,but there's nothing a canteen as well,
with the aliens and things about thinkthat I didn't think of that. That's
good college driving. But there wasa lot of coolness about a lot of
cool things. It was interesting tome. The two things that stood out

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most though, is you're gonna beginPhase five. You're gonna make a big,
big, blockbuster type movie to setup the where the whole of your
franchise is going. And that's abig franchise, and you're gonna do it
in an ant Man movie. Imean, the change of tone between ant

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Man, the original ant Man andthis film is beyond conceivable. I mean
ant Man the original was a verylow key, low stakes, down to
earth street level almost type of movie. I had a few things here and
there. They mentioned the quantum rale, mobbies and everything else. This is

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exactly the opposite, and I thinkto talk about your great Maddy. I
think that's why Louise is than thismovie. I think it just feels like
it's a totally different movie that whatLouise's rants and his narrations and things like
that feedback or his recaps. Theyfit in the ant Man movies from the
AMN one and two. Did theyfit in Quantum Mania? I don't know.
I love them. One of myfavorite parts about the ant Man saga

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and I did miss him as far. I agree with that, but I
feel like I think it was itwas done specifically because they were trying to
set up the new next Mega Levelevent and that was almost like too comedic
for it to do. So atthe end of the day, I walk
out. I get what Mike issaying as well, though I do walk

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out going that was good, thatwas fun. I don't see myself really
focusing on it. I don't seemyself going I've got to rewatch ant Man
when it comes down to Claus,I gotta do this. When it comes
out, I will. I'll behappy to do so. I'm never gonna
skip it. So I don't thinkit's top Marvel movies for me, but

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I definitely loved it a lot morethan the critics that I'll tell you that.
But the critics were slamming the hellof it, and I don't see
why, because it was zany,it was fun, It was a very
comic book. He was adventuresome,like they got out to different things.
I felt like they really slammed onwe'll talk about Modoc eventure at some point
during the show. I guess itslammed on Modoc. I kind of thought
Modok was silly fun, just likehe was. If you're going to make

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that character in live action, yougotta lean on the silly, stupid fun.
I think, no, you can'tdo that, like really super serious
and have that character work. Itwas great, So no, go ahead,
go ahead. Please. Here's thething. And I was talking to
a friend of mine about music theother day, and this is a kind

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of a similar conversation. We likethe bands that we do because when we
heard them for the first time,we were angry young men. We're not
angry young men anymore. With theMCU, I feel like we loved the
first saga so much because it wasso street level, so ground level,

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that we could relate and put ourselvesin those positions, whereas this one it's
more cosmic, it's bigger, it'sit's more of a comic book franchise now
than it was in the first one. The last phase dealt with a very
heavy topic of lost. That's somethingwe all go through. That's something we
all connect to. We don't allconnect to going into the quantum realm and

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fighting and multi being like Cross theMemorial. We can dream and when that
day comes, best believe that we'regoing to like film every minute of it.
But I feel like it's they're like, Okay, we've done that.
Now they've climbed Mount Everest, sonow they're like, we've done Everest,
let's go climb K two. Likeit's a different it's the same goal but

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just on a different scale. AndI feel like that a lot of us
are kind of like, oh,I kind of miss like being able to
put myself and feel something and getsomething back from these movies. But we
can still get fun from it.I don't want people to be like,
oh, it was a fun andthis is not any of us to be

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that said this. I've seen alot of people like it was fun.
It's like, yeah, it wasfun. It's good then why are you
degradating it being a fun movie?Why are you saying that like it's a
bad thing. But people expect abit more from the MC because of that
high point of Endgame and Infinitive War. And I think this movie was like

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the greatest hits of a lot ofmovies, like we talked about like Star
Wars, it with Spike Kids,it was Tron, it was freaking John
Carter at times, and it justtook of everything, all the franchises,
all the best things jam did togethermade it a super fast paced movie.
And I think it's just like someof the originality which can broad But I

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think the biggest problem with the movieis it didn't have a lot of originality
about it and a lot of uniquenessabout it. FX wise details sure,
but overall kind of a generic story. Fun but generic. Well here's my
question. Then here's my question.Then if this was not the first movie
of Phase five, if this wasnot the first movie to like set up

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everything, so to speak, ifthis was just a middle of the of
the phase movie or whatever, maybeKang shows up and he does stuff or
whatever, would it be as Ilooked upon so with such a fine tooth
like the very fine microscope, soto speak. I feel like because I
feel like it was the middle ofthe thing exactly. I feel like in

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the middle of the the middle ofthe phase, it almost like would have
get in the path. Oh thatwas a fun movie. That's cool,
as move on to the next one. But like this was supposed to be.
You begin the film the phase witha big punch in the gut to
get you going, and this wasfun comparatively speaking, I like again,
And I don't know problem with fun. I do wonder if that doesn't hurt
it. I gets set up inthe franchise, so to speak. I

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think possibly. But if you startwith a big power punch and then bring
it down to just fun, yourisk of people looking at it in the
same vein as a Black Widow ora Captain Marvel, which are movies that
are fun, that they are wellmade, but for some reason just don't
connect with people. And that's fine. Again, that's fine. You can
go to the people. It's okayto go to the movies and have fun.

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It's not a it's not a badthing. You can go to the
movies and do you think I'm goingto watch John Wick for for like emotional
depth and growth, not to watchdudes in the car. It's like,
I don't give a shit about that. But that's not That's not what I'm
going to the movies for anymore,because that's not what they're trying to do
anymore. Here you go, Maddie, and I'm gonna bring Holy Snops into

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it. Is this more of anenhancement movie rather than yes, this is
an enhancement movie enhancement episode. Yes, I do watch that show and I
do watch The Bad Badge. Yeah, fair enough. It's gotten way better
at the show better we need itgets better when it started off pretty shit,

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I'll be honest, but it's afterthe Wookie Jedi episode. It's like,
remember you had struggled with bad Batcha little bit last time through also,
but I'm glad I'm legend showing andspeaking of that, we'll plug that
tomorrow. Holy Snope will return withthe review of the next episode of The
Bad Batch, so stay tuned forthat. Okay, all right, right,

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so we have said our pieces.I guess you want to give it
a star rating at all, itwill be out of five stars or when
we go out of eleven, wealways go up to eleven on pold Projects.
So out of eleven stars, wheredo you put it? Seven and
a half? Seven and a half. Okay, I can give it a
solid eight solidate. So what's athree point five out of a five seven?

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I go to the seven of aseven seven. Yeah, that's right.
I might be eight seven point fiveeights from around there. So all
right, fair enough, all right, let's get into our show. Then
we've gone into what we've gotten ourpiece set about ant Man three as far
as overall, let's get in thenitty grittic of it. We have five
custom made categories in here, andwe're gonna dicuss each one and see which

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one comes out, Which of thesemovies comes out on top, Which of
this movie is a multiverse, isbanished in the multiverse of madness, or
which one's banished to the quantuminia.I don't even what I'm saying anymore.
Okay, here's the five. Hereare the five categories. We got better
heroes, better villains, better tone, better story, better visuals. We

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will start with better heroes. Igive you the floor chardy again me.
All right, I guess I'll startthis off beauty before each Yeah, this
I feel like it's gonna do abit of injustice towards Quantum Manium. But

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I do think the Doctor Strange hasmore memorable characters than a man Quantuminia.
I think I think can Pim isprobably the most I don't know, interesting
characters, but and I'd say MichellePfeiffer's Janet as well. But they all
sort of kind of blended together forme. They all had this kind of

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like like Cassie has a suit nowas well, there's like everyone feels like
a Spike Kids movie at times.I mean, I love the family sort
of dynamic about it, but Idon't know, they were kind of generic
overall. And Paul Rod does hisusual awesome things, ruddiness, whatever,
but if you put him up againstDoctor Strange, I feel like Doctor Strange
is an age interesting, arrogant character. Then you bring in American Chavez,

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which was a new, fresh,cool character, awesome powers, great visuals
with the way she travels the multiverse. And I'm gonna put Christine Palmer Rachel
McAdams in this category as well.I know she might not be considered a
hero in this movie, but Ithink she plays an important role, a
very important role for doctor Strange,and I'll talk about it more when you

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get to the story part. ButI think Doctor Strange has way more memorable
characters. He Okay, I'll gonext, Mattie, if you don't mind,
I'm gonna say that I think Iagree with Jeredy overall. I will
say I enjoy Paul Rudd. Ienjoyed Paul. I don't think he did

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anything in this movie. I takethat back. The first half, first
two thirds of the movie was kindof typical Paul Rudd Scott laying fun moments.
I think he did a great jobat his Vatican's Kang. He kind
of stepped up and he had agreat active performance there at the end there.
I really kind of bought into alot of it, especially when he
had to get Cassie. Michelle Feifferstole a show for sure. For me.

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Michelle Fifer was spot on her andher chemistry with Jonathan Major's was top
notch. Michael Douglas had limited amountof screen time, I feel like,
but he did great with the timehe had. Cassie was fine. Cassie
and Kathay Newton was fine. Ididn't might love or hate her. Eventually,
Lily felt like she didn't want tobe there. Oh no, oh

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no, they did her dirty andI wonder if her off screen stuff maybe
had them cut back in her characterlike they want with her. She's anti
vaxers. She did a whole thing, and she had some tweets about like
Canadians like I don't something. Basicallysome of the non politically correct stuff had

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it was not well received by alot of people, and she kind of
doubled down on it, and itkind of felt like it showed to me
that she didn't really want to bethere, because I don't think anyone else
wanted her to be heavy there.Maybe potentially, I don't know, I
could be wrong. I don't knowanything. I just feel like that might
have something to do with it.I didn't feel like she did a whole
lot. Thought she was kind oftossed the garbage a little bit, whether
you could say she was put ina hopeless situation, hopeless situation. I

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did really like Hidio O'Brien is Jenturra, the freedom fighter there should have a
badass. She was kick ass.I did like her Star Wars. Yeah,
she felt like the whole thing feltvery Star Wars, and to me,
but doctor Strange, ben at aComing Back really did a great job
with this in this movie. Ifelt like this was his best performances Doctor
Strange. Yeah, because he's giventhe most to do. I think also

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because he has to like confront hisown mortality, confront the fact that it
seems like a lot of his multiversehis other selves have gone bad that way.
I mean, that's got great.He can kind of see that in
his face, like, well,am I a bad guy? I don't,
Maybe I am kind of thing.And of course I think American Job
as was could I one of myI loved Doctor Strange by the way,

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I'm want to say that word theDoctor Strange actually one of my favorite.
If I had to pick as fhearas enjoyment, doctor Strange was more enjoyable
for me. I do think thatbecause I think that is a lot going
on there. But one of mythe negatives I had to say about that,
I wish America's Jobs was given morebackstory. I feel like we could
have developed her more because she's soimportant to the story, and we kind

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of get this like glazed over thinglike oh, yeah, she was with
her parents and then she just startedand I don't don't know how you fit
her in necessarily, But I alsohave to throw out that I don't know
if you I don't remember you didmentioned be benadic Wog Well, I mean
he he is awesome in this role. He really gets a lot to do.
He owns with comedy. He actuallytreads that line very well of the

(26:29):
comedic and the serious. He hasserious does very well, but he also
throws into the kind of really weirdsingers every once in a while. See
that's the uh they bowed traditions.It is considered to be respects to bow
in front of the Supremeum. Thatso I think he can do either he
or I do like that. Andeven though they didn't have an appearance,
it was kind of cool to seethe Illuminati a little bit in there as

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as the heroes. Captain Carter wasgreat and the little limited edition we got
with her. I know some peopledidn't like the fact that they were taking
out so quickly. I understand that, but to be I was not supposed
to be a big portion of themovie. Was kind of more of a
fun, fun portion of the movie. But I'm gonna give it to doctor
Strain for all the above that idea. They're definitely more memorable, definitely a
lot more fun to be. I'lljust add too, I think what Benedic

(27:15):
Cumberbatch gained from gain from his performancewas Sam Raimi because Sam raimig like when
he was in the in his likethe undead version, he was like,
d wait over the top, likeso you can see him, like you
just get to enjoy yourself, justgo crazy. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely,

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all right, Maddie, it's upto you. See. I'm kind
of torn on this one because Ithought, I actually feel the best performance
album the Heroes in and Man inQuanta Mania came from Michael Douglas because he
was allowed to be hanked him of, just like he took a back seat.
But I feel like that serviced thecharacter because he was just looking around

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the quantum round like, WHOA,what is this? I've never seen this
part of the quantum round before,Like he was amazed and like learning everything
about that part of the quantum round. And I think that serviced the character
hank him because he was literally justbeen the scientist who was amazed that he'd
never like seen this before. MichelleFeife was great, but like there's one

(28:21):
thing I can't stand and this isnot just in movies. I was watching
a podcast with Tom Delounge a fewyears ago and he started talking about all
his UFO stuff and the way hekept saying, Oh, I can't talk
about that. I can't talk aboutthat. I can't talk about that.
I can't talk over and over andover and over. When that happens,
I'm just like, what is thepoint? You're like, you're just burning
screen time here. You could justlike, Okay, we get it,

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you've said a couple of times now, but like, get to the part
where she tells us what happened rightwith doctor Strange. I do feel the
ILLUMINAI wasted a little bit, Butfor good reason, guys, I hate
to say this. Krasinsky was evergoing to be the full time mister Fantastic.
He was never going to be thefull time Richards. So Patrick shoot

(29:06):
was never going to come back fulltime for Charles Xavier. It just wasn't
it. It was cool, itwas a nice fan moment, and we
got that. But I feel likeI didn't read that Patrick Stewart actually has
been told to be on standby potentiallyhas he? Yeah? See how you
actually can't said that maybe from Deadtwo or three, so I don't know.

(29:29):
Also that I heard that Ian McAllenwas also put on standby as well,
potentially so interesting, never know.I interrupted that, No, that's
good to know. There was acorrection to my point, which was needed.
But I feel like they were morethey were more villain and anti hero
than the heroes because they were kindof pushing that doctor Strange is the problem,

(29:55):
which he was, but the waythey were going to go about it,
it wasn't the right way right,and it was just like, huh,
I don't know if they're very heroicat this point. Well, it's
a very antagonistic two are two hourprotagonists. I get that that argument in
a way. I don't know it'sall their heroes, but I understand the
argument. And we got to giveit up to the ants. You give

(30:21):
it up to that. It wasjust smart. I look at an it's
a whole different way. Now.If I look out of my guard and
I see a colony of ants,I'm leaving him the fuck. I just
want to call as Antony now.And I was hoping they were bringing back
Anthony the quantum mild. Somehow hesurvived the gunshot like when they killed him
off in the first movie. Thatwas like, you know how I feel
about like killing off pets and stufflike that. That was like, oh,

(30:45):
no, Anthony, I guess thisis like me being around the bush
trying to find a way to giveus a quant Manda. But yeah,
both come Batch and Wan, bothBenedicts. The Benedicts crushed it. Those
two together are just chef kiss.Okay, all right, then I got

(31:08):
all right, we're going on tothe next category, the better villains.
Madam. We ended with you withheroes, why don't we begin with you.
This is absolutely no question. AndI hate that she's a villain in
this It's wonder it wonder it isfantasy. I I love love her in
this movie. I'm I am inlove with her in this movie because I

(31:30):
get I get her intentions. Shejust wants She just wants her boys.
She she just wants her family.But again she's going by the wrong way.
And that scene when they're walking throughthe orchard and then Strange realizes this
is this ain't right, and thenit all turns to like blood red,

(31:51):
it all turns to Scarlet. I'mlike, oh, okay, like and
I get there's there's the whole thingof oh, they threw away everything that
happened in WandaVision, and it's justlike what happened in wandervision. She had
a breakdown, and we saw atthe end of it she was using the
idea of the dark cold. She'susing dark magic. So where's the throwing

(32:15):
away. It's a perfect continuation thatshe was like, Okay, I did
a bad thing. Let me goto somewhere remote and see if I can
do it away from hurting people.But she couldn't. And it was just
like the path that she was like. It was a perfect example of a
mother will stop at nothing to getto her children. And I feel like

(32:37):
she encompassed that absolutely perfectly, becauseeven Strange couldn't stop her. One couldn't
stop her American Charlotte. She wastearing through everyone and it took herself really
realizing what I'm doing is wrong.Wow, I gotta continue and say,

(32:59):
first of all, well, I'msurprised. Yes, a lot of people
have made Jonathan Majors king out tome, this is the next best villain
Marvel's ever had. He's gonna berattling Thanos. He did any phenomenal job
in ant Man as well. Ithought he he he, he definitely didn't
knock any of that, any ofthat down. I think he's gonna be

(33:22):
a perfectly amazing villain in phase fiveor as long as he needs to be
for a Venders, Kang, Dynastsor whatever. Sorry, Petty quickly,
why why? I also said,because I don't think this version of Kang
is where we're gonna see the bestJonathan Majors. We saw Ramata and immortis

(33:42):
spoiler spoilers that we saw Ramata andI mortis right, that's where I feel
like he's gonna be. Okay,that's fair, that's fair. Uh,
Lego, good to see you,see you, Lego. I made at
home. So but that's that's beenkind of like the storyboard and sweyboard is
Jonathan Major's king the best feelins inthenos, and I think that he did
do an admirable job. I thinkhe will be up there. I thought

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I was gonna be the only onevoting for Wanda, but I am also
voting for Wanda for exactly a lotof the reasons you said, I too
have never gotten this understanding. Whywell, it undoes the end of Wanda
vision because it absolutely did not tome. To me, she made the
choice then to be the hero,and she was supposed to be hero.
But then we have the extra sceneafter where you see her later on the

(34:28):
scene with the dark hole, thebook that corrupts you, the book that
turns you evil, Like, that'snot the thing. I understand the argument
of making a female, a strongfemale character, a strong female heroic character
into a bad guy due to youknow, the situation where she lose her

(34:51):
children is a trope. I understandpart of the arguments against it, but
I kind of think you got totake case by case, and I think
in this one is done very well, not only for the reasons I said,
but in the comic book, she'salso had the villainous runs as well,
where she's done similar things where shegoes. I mean, she's the
one in the comics where she killedhalf the mutants off and mutons, Yeah,

(35:12):
House of m where she just nomore or she said no more mutones,
I thinks, and everything else.So we've had a situations this is
perfectly in line with her character,and she gives us a powerful character.
You said it yourself. The heroesof this story didn't beat her. Doctor
Strange is one of the most powerfulheroes we have. Could not beat her,
could not beat her. She hadto take care of things herself,

(35:35):
and she had this wonderful like momentsof her heroism in there as well.
We got to see parallel Wanda fightingfor her life, fighting for things she
fought for her boys. I thinkit was I think that Wanda was phenomenally
drawn here. I think that shecould still have a story of redemption somehow

(35:55):
to at some point of home comeback. But for as far as is
you have the Wanda villain versus thatJonathan Major's Kang villain. Jonathan Majors was
great. He got beaten by abunch of ants. That that struck it
down for me a little bit,a little bit, to be honestly,
like, I mean, I getit. Whatever the answer cool and I
get that, And I mean Ilove the fact that he was. Like

(36:19):
he mentioned pounding Paul Rudd, Ihad no thought in my head that Paul
Rodd absolutely any anyway, Dippen.Yeah, I just felt Wanda had more.
I loved one his backstory and Ilove her character so much, so
I felt more when I see herturned villainous and the scene in the orchard
Lone. I agree, mad It. This is a great moment, especially

(36:42):
to go something like what it wasit he says, she turned something to
do. I didn't mention you didn'tmention his name? Did you didn't mention
America's name, did you? No? I didn't too bad? Wow wow,
I like that quite a bit.I think I think there are things
that are wrong with the idea ofit, but I think if you take
a case by case level, I'mokay with this. I understand why people

(37:04):
aren't. I'm not gonna say thatyou are wrong if you don't like Wanda's
villain turn. For whatever reasons,each approach our art differently, Like I
was saying here, I have somesexist when it came out. Hey,
you know absolutely your strong opinion onthat, and I can't say you're wrong.
It didn't maybe as a male didn'taffect me as much. I appreciate
Wanda's a villain's turn in Doctor Traine, and to me, she's a far

(37:28):
better villain than Kang was. SoJarvi talk to us, this is unbelievable
because I was exactly in the samecamp of I'm going to have to defend
Wanda and Scarlett, which on myown and we're all fucking going for doctor
Strange in this category. This iscrazy, And I gotta say, like,

(37:51):
let's we got to give Kang andJonathan Jonathan Majors a lot of credit
here. I think like he's killingit at everything that he's doing in this
one as well. I think Ilove when we meet King like the way,
like he's a really interesting villain becausehe doesn't start off as a villain,
if he's just like a traveler who'sspanished. He starts off very calm

(38:13):
and control, sort of in control. He's almost gentle about the way he
talks and he is, and thenhe starts sort of layering on the threat
side of it and the wind heshows his powers, they're kind of vague.
We don't get to see like hisfull power, but we get to
see like if he goes fully racheful, he can just he can destroy anything

(38:35):
in his way, Like he hasthese lasers that he shoots out. He's
he can just like strangle someone intheir own suit, which was kind of
weird. Why didn't he do thatwith the ants? Why didn't he use
all that lasers with the ants?That was a weird thing because he wasn't
broken then, so he was areally cool villain. And when Maddie said

(38:55):
when he started like mailing Scott Length, I mean he was just ferocious.
The way he was fighting by set, like when he lives on the floor
and the camera like stopped on hisbicep. I was like, oh,
I felt felted them, like yeah, And the way he ran as well,

(39:16):
there was something like feral about him, like he was just like yeah,
it was. It was a veryfeeling, physical and cerebral performance.
But I gotta say Wanda on Scarlett, which one of my favorite characters in
the MCU altogether, I think,well, she's always teetered sort of in
between like the villain hero side.She gets to turn to full blown villain

(39:37):
in this one. And you weresaying, like these transitions that he does
when she's she has those really endearingand emotional moments when you know when we
first when they first meet, likeshe's falling doctor Strange and the moment he
finds out like her, the wayshe just looks, feels, talks her

(39:58):
body poster just like acting why shedoes a lot of those moments when she's
talking to her kids. She's like, oh my god, what am I
doing? And then the click andshe's again on the villain side, like
she has those awesome moments that ElizabethOlsen gets to use in her performance.
It's tremendous. And yeah, theycan't beat her. They can't beat the

(40:20):
scarlet which she just turns her uponher children, and that's the way they
can beat her. There's no wayof beating her otherwise. Well, I
will say, let's say, KellyW says sorry, guys, I disagree
with the wand to turn and maybewe were losing her viewers saying this,
and Lego does say Wan doesnt feelin the misogyny the ranks I have gone
on MM has me on the fenceabout the MCU. You know, Lego,

(40:42):
I do get it. I'm sorrythat was that way for you.
I'm sorry, I wish. Imean, we all have see things differently
and I can understand certain viewpoints aren'tquite the same, but it is what
it is. We voted on itthis way, and I feel at this
point Canada more. Now here's thething. I think more looking at one

(41:04):
of as an antagonists more because Idon't even look at and like you can
go back and watch our fall loveand fund the show. I don't even
look at as Gore as a asa villain, and I think I think
Gore was a very misununderstood villain.But that's my personal perspective of how I
relate to Gore. I will sayat the top off too, Jonathan Major's

(41:27):
and how good he is. Hehad his mind. He went from his
moment of kicking the living dog shitout of ant Man and me being like
Jesus Christ. But then you goand look at his performance in Loki.
Every minute he was on screen talking, I was glued, like, yes,
please just keep talking, just keepthat. Like no, like there

(41:51):
wasn't much physicality to his role otherthan just sitting there and talking, but
there's like his Jonathan Majors has away of doing it with posture right there.
Every posture he has it's just likewhoa, Okay, okay, I'm
just gonna stand there and I'm gonnastay here and watch you. He does
that. He does the talking parthere as well. And when he they
sort of didn't finish his thought,like when they gave him purpose, like

(42:15):
why is he why is he destroyingall those universes? Multi in the Multiverse,
like because he there was a momentwhere he can be considered the new
Thanos because he said that he wassaving the multiverse from the other tanks,
because they were meddling with time doingthings that they didn't understand, so he
has to destroy these timelines to stopthem. So again there was this dynoside

(42:40):
of it that he's actually trying tosave the world. But they kind of
didn't go you know, they didn'tfinish up with the thought. They just
gave us some of it. Yeah, okay, I just want to throw
out that Kelly saying, of course, if they spend more time turning one
that may have been on board.I can understand that maybe it was too
quick for some people. It workedfor me, though, I kind of

(43:00):
thought I'll happen off screen, That'swhat I kind of saw it as I
kind of I kind of bought itthough. Wouldn't happen because of because of
one division, because I saw howshe was breaking down, and because of
that post credit scene. But yeah, interesting though, it's kind of funny
how we all thought they were allgoing to go with Majors. I think
it's a funny thing to do,all right, well, let's move on
then, to better tone, bettertone of a film. I'll start this

(43:22):
one off. I think I mightshock the world maybe, Thank you,
Dad, I'm giving it to DoctorStrange. I'm going to give you to
Doctor Strange. And here's why,here's why, hear me out. I
think you expect me to pick aman because the star wars and of it,
story's worries of it. And Idid love it for that reason.
It's not like I don't like thetone of a man. But Doctor Strange,

(43:46):
especially given its time in the MCU, is more unique tone than am
Man has. A man's space operawe've had in Guardians of the Galaxy a
little bit kind of scratched that itcha little bit here and there. How
I've had a lot of space battleWe've had Infinity War in space. You
thora Racknarock, Thor Love and Thunderdid a lot of space stuff with you
know, goats that are flying throughthe air and zut. There's a lot

(44:07):
of space fantasy stuff, space operatype stuff that we've gotten. We've never
gotten a more full on than wegot in ant Man at three. But
what's the name another horror film thatwe've gotten from the m C the First
Doctors, which wasn't even that muchof a horror film. This had a

(44:27):
very Sam Raimi was that with SamReimi directing, it felt very ramyish it
had. This had a very greatdesign monsters, a tone with one of
we're gonna try to scare as muchas we can, given we're gonna have
absolutely have some limit because of theMCU. I can't go full blown,

(44:50):
full bown evil dead horror in theMCU, but there were some genuine great
moments of horror. I remember whenI rewatched it. One of my favorite
moments was when they're uh when DoctorStrange America and Christine were running into the
tunnels after the the the Illuminati werekilled, and all of a sudden the
door stops or they stopped. Theylook and all of a sudden, Wanta

(45:13):
just shows up with his red eyesin the face, and You're like,
whoa wow. I loved that aspectof it. You had a lot to
love from that side. Zombie Strangewas also kind of like scary and freaky
and and it was unique to DMCUat that point as well. I wish
they actually had gone further and Iwanted to see them even do more with

(45:34):
that. I wish Sam Raimi wasgiven even a longer lease potentially. But
if I got to put these twoup against each other, give me the
one we haven't seen as much.And maybe because I have a horror guy
too, I'm a Star Wars guy, but I am a very much a
horror guy too. But I canhave my gardens Galaxy, but want space
things. Give me the Doctor Strangetone all day. I loved that darkness
behind it. So uh, Jarvi, you go, I think this is

(46:00):
easily Doctor Strange. I'm not eventhis is not even like again Quantum Mania.
It had all these awesome elements,but tone wise, it was a
very generic mc movie. And Ilove that. I love that about the
MCU. I love I love thetone the MCU has. But you say
to yourself, this, this wasa weird Sam Raimi, sort of gothic

(46:23):
type of horror movie. I think. I think they gave Sam Raimi quite
a lot of freedom. Actually inthis you could tell there was Yeah,
Ray fantastic and this this was definitelythe two thousand Spider Man tone right there,
which for a lot of people didn'twork. Again, I agree with
you, wholehearted I think it gavesome freshness and it kind of give us
that nostalgic feeling as well. Therewas some clunkiness to it because of the

(46:47):
tone. I feel like the Camertagestuff when sort of physics wise, like
the way she just sort of,you know, got to one of the
sorcerers that sort of got her throughthe shield. It felt so easy.
Then you talked about the tunnels.When Scarlett Wish is chasing them in the
tunnel, she's like two meters behindthem and she just keeps running at them.

(47:08):
She doesn't do anything. She doesn'tlike use her magic or nothing.
So there's kind of clunkiness to it, but I think it freaking worked,
like in the end as well,like when America does her like the cake
where she opens the portal kick Swandagoes uh huh, Wanda goes uh uh.

(47:30):
Like the cinema fucking rioted at thatmoment. Most of the people hated
it. They were like, ohno, I was just like, yes,
give me more. This is awesome. So definitely more memorable tone,
Doctor Strange. Yeah, this iseasily Doctor Strange. All right, all
right, Maddie, what do youdo for us here? This is interesting

(47:53):
because you would expect the goth topick the gothic movie right and wrong.
Okay, I remember reading some knuckleheadopinion I can't remember who posted it said
the worst thing about the multi verseof man Is was this Sam raimisms of

(48:13):
it the fuck out here. Youknow, Scott Dereckson is pissed because Deadpool
is now rated Deadpool three is gonnabe rated R and he wanted to make
this a more rated, our horrormovie. You know he's pissed at that.
But I think Sam Raimi did abrilliant job giving like the campy horrorness

(48:34):
that we come to expect from SamRaimi. It's what he does best.
So when you're making a movie likethat, you bring in the mask,
you bring in the best at it. I love the yes I'm doing it
because it reminds me of Star Wars. I don't care it's gonna make.
It's actually made me go back andrewatched the Rise of Skywalker. In that

(48:55):
moment where all the playots come in, where the literally it is, I
was just like that, Like thatmoment was when all the ants come in.
It was literally like the end ofthe Two Towers when Gandal comes up
on the hill. You see thelight come down, and it's literally like

(49:17):
you see it. The light comesdown and the ants come through, And
I was like, that is prettymuch exactly like shot for sure the road.
Hear him arriving, and I waslike, you know what, Yeah,
that made me feel good that Ifist pumped at that moment. I
was just like, yep, itgave me the warm of fuzzies and like

(49:39):
just what things that people say aretropes of like Kang being like, Oh,
if you don't do this, I'mgoing to kill your child. But
there's a reason that those tropes areput in the movie so many times,
because they fucking work ever time.Yeah, that's true, and I do

(50:00):
wish we'd got a little bit moretime heistiness from it. I do think
that they could have done a littlebit more of that. But again,
that's me being like put this,this, this, this, or this
into a two hour long movie.That's me being like, give me more,
give me more, given more.But there was a single moment that

(50:20):
we me like, oh ship,And I can't believe I hadn't seen it
in any of the promotional material becauseit is out there. Is when Kang
said an avenger. Have I killedyou before? Mm hmm. They all
blow together after so long, andI was just like, oh, the
one with the hammer, yeah,yeah said that. I was. When

(50:44):
he said that, I was justkind of like, you're just saying that
I know who you know who heis. You're just saying that a medacing
break because he knew he knew Scottwas a man because he kept first he
kept calling him Scott Lang, ScottLang, and then hit He's like a
man. This is like you knowwho thought was? Don't tell me you

(51:07):
didn't know, So you're like orthe one with the hammer. You're just
being like a facetious break there,and I love it. I learned every
moment of it because he's menacing andhe's fucking with Scott's mind. At the
same time. I was just like, yep, cool, I love it.
Lady also saying matter, I lovethat you describe yourself as God?

(51:27):
Yes, oh yeah, He's definitelyGod. That's why he has no lighting.
There's there's one more thing we haveto talk about tone, which none
of us mentioned in Quantum Mania.We have to talk about modoc Okay,
breaking Darren, that was that wasthe fun tone that sort of made this
movie way more wackier than at firstseemed to be. And what a cool

(51:51):
freaking addition. I know I'm notthe biggest comic book guy, but I
know enough about Modoc that he's likethe most ridiculous villain in the Marble comics
pretty much. And yeah, theydid not disappoint, Like they even gave
us the freaking his ass was wideopen out there. The small legs,
small arms, he died in Avenger. He had the best lines. I

(52:12):
mean, come on, I justnoticed the legs. Yeah, I killed
it. Yeah that there was onejoke that I think only me heard in
the cinema. You guys can backme up in man, it's the part
when all the langs are sort ofmultiplied and they're like like the basking robins.
Uh stop shows up and one ofthe guys in the back, with

(52:36):
quite a little voice, said doyou have ice cream? And the conversation
keeps going. No one heard.I was like, fuck, you know,
I was like laughing my ass off. No, I was laughing.
I was, Oh, that wasthe best fucking jump there was just shoved
in there. I missed that.I missed that sits in there. Yeah,
the guy in the back, youhave ice cream. That's when I

(52:59):
showed I was shut down. Goodto see, and he thought this was
the Funniestman movie. It's definitely funnierthan the Wash h the first second versus
the wash one different kind of humor, but almost the same. But I
get that there's a lot of funnnessto it. Uh. Yes, don't
be a dick, don't Speaking oftone. Also, I would also be

(53:25):
remiss if I didn't mention p J. Campbell's favorite MCU character of all time
and one of my favorite MCU charactersof all time from Doctor Strange. Uh,
Pizza Papa always gets paid, SoBruce there, camvill Pizza Papa always
gets paid. Uh So I willthrow it there. I want those man,

(53:49):
I want delicious. All right,let's move on into our next category.
Got two categories left, better storyfor one, We're back to you,
I believe, mm hmm. Thisthis is a tougher category. I
think when it comes to storylines,like you could argue that neither of those

(54:14):
movies did a lot story wise,except for the villains. I guess Doctor
Strange had more of a story arcwhen it came to his character. I
think Quanto Mania. What it didwas only set up the villain for us
because all of the action happened inthe Quantum leleve. It's not part of
the bigger sort of Avengers universe thatwere used to seeing our heroes in.

(54:39):
So I think because of that,I know, it's kind of unfair because
the Animal movies are smaller, andthey did set up King in a big
way. I think Doctor Strange didmore with the entire story then the fact
that it happened in the in thework that we're like that we know all
the characters from. I did lovethe fact that they gave us the So

(55:04):
this is where I'm going to talkabout the Earth eight three eight with all
the Illuminati showing up in there.I think that was like the best kind
of fan service that we've ever gottenin the MCU. It was like it
was so schlocky, like syrupy,cheesy type of fan service. But god
damn it if it didn't work.I mean, Captain Carter, I loved

(55:27):
when Krazinsky showed up the theater erupted. Yeah, this was I think story
wise, it's kind of difficult toremember the story of Quantum Mania because it
was very high paced. It wasa lot happened. There was a lot
of fluff, but at the endof the day, nothing really the Kang

(55:51):
that we sort of went up against, even he sort of I think he
died. We don't know if hedied. He got sucked into the fucking
time ball thing. But the otherKangs did show up, So I don't
know this overall impact of the story. That's where I draw the line.
That's why I got to give itto a Doctor Strange. Okay, okay,
Maddie about yourself, Yeah, Iagree. I feel like there's two

(56:15):
very central if we look at itlike if we look at it like timelines,
right, there are two timelines thatI can follow in Doctor Strange of
Wonders story and Doctor Stranger's story,Like I can follow those throughout the entire
y of the movie. With QuantumMania, you have the freedom fires you

(56:37):
have setting up can you have Scottlife away from being an avenger and kind
of just being on a celebrity booktour at this point while being a dad
to a rebellious teenager who's getting thrownin jail. And it's just like there
is a lot to work into atwo hour movie and I feel that's why
a lot of people like I wishwe'd have seen this. I wish we'd
seen this. I wish we'd haveseen this, But then that all that

(57:00):
stuff would have just made it evenmore convoluted. Whereas multiverse of manness is
one is trying to get our kids, She's killing everyone to do it.
Doctor Strange is struggling with his identity. God meet in the middle. There
was the moment as well, andthis this speaks to how good of Wonders

(57:21):
and Targets when Krazinsky shows up andhe shows up for a few minutes and
she he goes to do the stretchand Wonder just shreds him. Yeah.
I was like, okay, thatthat. I was not expecting that,

(57:42):
and I thought that was good.So it plays such to a good story
beat of these powerful characters don't meanshit compared to Wander like you can be
from any universe like their universe,the eight three eight. They dispatched Stanos
like that, no problem didn't touchWanda. Yeah, that's that's a good
call. You just thought of agreat recast for what was the guy with

(58:09):
the freaking thinking and on his foreheadthat like could kill with his voice.
I don't know the characters black Bolt, Black Belts. They should have had
that as Rayn and Rain Wilson.Yeah, so it would have had it
would have had just Jim and Dwightteam up together both die. I mean,
it's kind of you can you couldkind of cast him as that character.

(58:30):
Also, that's interesting that Exavier outfor I'm looking to do that,
all right, all right, thenmoving on into a better story for myself.
That's a good point. You guysboth make great points. I think
I have to agree, but Ihave to agree that I think doctor Strange

(58:51):
wins this one for me as well. Doctor Strange, I feel like took
a moment from Wanda Vision developed thebit, took a moment from Doctor Strange's
past. It kind of did abetter job fitting in with the Overall the
story fit in with itself better.The ant Man in the Wasp Quantum Mania
felt like a departure into a littlebit to get used to, and then

(59:15):
it was all about the quantum realm, which is not something we deal with
very often, and it had alot to do with Michelle Pfeiffer's past,
which is cool, but it wasalmost too much of the story it's a
lot of it was the past,then deal with the press. Doctor Strange
has worked better story wise from pointA to point B to point S.
To me, there's a lot ofgoing back and forth on where we are,

(59:37):
a lot of different relationships. Asyou're on Men, it almost was
a little bit jumbled in in antMan for me too, much like with
yeah yeah Kaang of one party,had the rebels of one party, had
the divided up heroes at one party, have Cassie and Lang and Scott Lang's
relationship at one part. He hada total disregard for like some action here,

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like for the name of the guygod he was he was with the
rebels, the the guy oh oh, the minderador guys, I can't remember
his name. The actors William Jackson, Willam Jackson, Harper totally wasted him.
I thought, I feel like theycould have used it even more as

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far as that goes, and you'reyou're as much as I like Modocs sticking
the Darren Cross into that situation thatfelt like a little bit out of nowhere
to Men. So at the endof the day, it's kind of hard
to describe it. I think Igotta go with the Doctor Strange as well,
because I felt like it was amuch more solid from A to B
two c uh than than at Manimals. One thing that I forgot to mention

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is the love story factor. Thathow they sort of gave Doctor Strange disclosure
with Christine Palmer, like he couldn'ttell her exactly how he felt, and
he had that like such an endearingmoment between them. He knows it's not
he's Christine, but they've had sortof similar pass and it just goes,
I love you, Christine, Ilove you in every universe right now?

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What a fucking line to deliver theidea that he will love her forever?
Right? You don't. Rayy knowshow to milk these sort of over the
top moments. I tear it up. I tear up. I might have
to use that one day. Ohyeah, yes, sir, I think

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of me. I might say itto you. Well, there you go,
that makes sense sense there all right. Then we'll finish out with better
visuals. The better visuals. Madddid you want to start this one?
You want me to start it?Yeah? It's Quantumnia. It's quanta mania

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for me, just because like ifwe just talked Okay, if we're talking
just visuals of like how like theshots looked and everything. I get that
it's a lot cg. It's alot of green screen, but there's something
about it that is so otherworldly andso like almost ethereal. The way the

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quantum Realm looks that had me justlike looking around at it the whole.
Like I caught myself in moments lookingat like the backdrop and the scenery more
than what was going on, andI was just like, WHOA, Like
this looks cool. This looks likesomething like right out of a video game.
There were there are a couple ofmoments that I thought it looked a

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bit out of Osmosis Jones at somemoments, but then there were also almost
like when they were walking through likethat woodland area that I was just like,
wow, that that's that's beautiful.Whereas Doctor Stranger, I was just
like, Okay, this is gothichorror. A lot of cool Victorian looking

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church like buildings that I've seen amillion times came through London. M hmm,
Yeah, it's Doctor Strange to me. Man, the Wasp, Quantumoronia,
it kind of a lot of itblended together for me It almost felt

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like a blurred landscape to me,like there was a lot of creativity of
colors. But I kind of didn'tknow what I was looking at half the
time. I mean I did,but I didn't like there's it just kind
of all seemed a lot of seeingme. It was nice at first,
I kind of got by the timeI got to the King's Cast, I
was like multi verse of madness.As visuals, I felt were so much
more crisper, so much more cleaner. I felt like you had an edginess

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to which I really enjoyed. Iloved getting to see all the different like
when my phone and I fairite momentswhen in America and Strange were tumbling through
the different universes and they did stuffyou wouldn't think of their like an university
are it kind of round me Alot of every everywhere, everything everywhere all
at once. Also the paint universeas a cartoon universe, there's a different
things going on. I gotta say, like that the visual and then you

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tied it in getting the gothicness.The Mount Wondergore sequence is so cool up.
They're visually stunning. One of thosevisuals, look that the cliff itself
and Wang falls down the cliff intothe into the Superman too. Smoke got
a situations like Zod falling down thethe ice patter there, I'm getting to
see him in that part of it. Getting to see Wanda's face. I
thiness is, I don't know itto me accounts as visuals, the way

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they mess with Wanda's face when shegoes evil like, she has like this
like look to her. There's likevery dark side looked at her. Blood
splotter on her face, blood splatteredeverything else. Doctor Strange when he's a
zombie and he try to like talkingeverything going on. The visual right there,
it's arrest It's an arresting imagery.And then they use the campiness of
it as well though America when shepunches heself and the star, the star

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happens after the punch. I don'tknow about her as a character. I've
never really read her in the combooks, so I don't know. I'm sure
this guy did. I'm sure thisguy definitely read about her comics. The
monitor is saying, the multiverse ofmenas have BODOXQ, But no, I
don't think it's a quantum media win. That's a good point. That's a
good point, then pants, that'sTrue's chin and his holes. That seems

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like a different podcast, But Idid like also when you think about the
Illuminatus sequence, there's a lot ofvisuals there that were starting and you see
Read Richards getting torn to shreds.You see Captain America or kept in Britain.
I guess right through it and everythingelse. Everything about that just seemed

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to scream out visualization to me.There are crisp That's what I mean.
But I was trying to say beforeeverything was crisp, I knew exactly where
I was looking. I don't knowif this is a Rami thing versus a
read thing. Uh. I justlike Ramy's direction better, and that part
of it is because of the shotsand the visualization of it. I got
a little lost in it. Man. As far as the visuals went,
they're good. Your solid didn't detractthis. Like I said, that was

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the eight star eight stars out elevenfor me, I loved it. I
definitely like the visuals more in DoctorStrange. Yeah, I feel like I
feel like poly is reading my notesbecause you went you even said crisper.
It does look crisper. I thinkand Mattie said it said it very well
that Quantum Mania sort of has thatthat it has that ethereal feel, but

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the background and the lighting sort ofit's sort of it's inviting. I feel
like I would want to just livethere for a while, like there's it
did it did at times, yeah, but but like sort of more wide
and sort of I don't know,just that warm feeling that you got there.

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But it was like Quantum Mania allthe time, like Quantum Realm all
the time, whereas Doctor Strange hadthat sort of multiverse travel parts yet had
those practical sets as well. Ithink the use of practical sets and prosthetics
with the under a Doctor Strange andeverything, that's what got it over the
edge for me. For for DoctorStrange, it was a visual feast for

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Quantum Mania, and the tweety didmake it better but more memorable. Again,
it's going to be Doctor Strange becauseit had more variety. It was
crisper well, folks, I didn'texpect this me either, this big fan
of Man in Quantuminia. I loveit. It's one of my favorite movies

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I've seen in a bit from Uup there with a bunch of them and
man has got his ass whopped.In this particular contest, modoc As it's
a little cute little modoc Ass lostthirteen to two. You know, I
gave zero points to Doctor from Quantomania, but not for the lack of quality

(01:07:54):
of the movie. Just just alittle bit. Category by category doctors range
was better. A little bit islike the Rotten Tomatoes score like we still
put it. It's so fresh,even though get the amount of reading it.
It's not about being rotten the freshround in that way, it's just
the percentages of is this fresh?Is not Doctor Straine one by just a

(01:08:16):
smidge? Just want to score anythingfor you? Are Matt is the only
person to score anything for him.I also put that all of mine in
Doctor Strainer. That's twice in arow. Now, I think that's two
shows in a row where Maddie goesto for the loser. I think it's
true. It's crazy. I thinkthat's great, that's crazy love. I
love an underlok story. What canI say? All right, it's weird.

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I went to seekque of Mania twicein the cinema. I only saw
a multiverse amount as once there is. Well there you have holks that it's
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holy snokes and Paul my Okay,to talk about the Creed thing that I
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from next week. In the leadup to Creed three, I was going
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watching those fights, I was justlike, I can't, I can't,
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Creed one and Creed two. Youget a lot of channels are doing rewatches
at the moment you got This channelis very lucky to have someone who has
actually competed in boxing, so Ican break it down not only from a
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how like how realistic they are,because I'm going back and watching those fights
actually fairly realistic they Yeah, becauseit feels like there's a lot of rocky
punching on there, like just therethere there is a lot. But I'll
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Uh yeah, I guess until nexttime. Then fine, I'll do it.
Court is adjourned. Stay classy,everybody,