Gladiator (2000) vs Gladiator II (2024)

We're BACK! PLD, MATTY, & JARVI return for a special Class Action! We put up the two Ridley Scott films up against each other in 5 distinct categories to determine a winner!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:39):
It's me.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
It's me. It's p L. D.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
And I'm Richard Derek Jarvi.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
And I'm Madi Gunner. And for the glory of Rome,
this is class.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
Action, the classiest movie show on the interwebs.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
We did it. We can lock down the stream. It's
all over. We got the intro done right. What's up everybody? Uh?
This is a return. This is a return. This is
the first time we have done class Action since oh god,
I don't even know when now it was the last
time we did it.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
I think like a year ago or something, at least
a year ago.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
And a half Mad Max versus Mad Max. Or was
the least the weapon or was that the last one
we did? Potentially, I think I don't know what it was.
Either way, it has been a long long time coming.
Jordi got a life so he couldn't hang out and
play with us anymore. And a stash. I did notice
a stash, but I always got.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
He got the Henry Cavio stash, though.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Not the Airbusta, not no CGI there. It's a perfect stash.
But Jory, how we doing, my friend? We we barely
get a chance to talk anymore. Once a while, you
pop in and like I'm like, there he is, there's
the man legend. How are you.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
I'm doing well. It's been a crazy time because the
times that we've talked were like how is everyone doing?
It's like crazy busy, yeah, because that's that's life. That's
how it's been going. But the reason why I couldn't
do class Action weekly like that was I had, well
still actually have an Estonian movie podcast that goes weekly,

(02:10):
and that's like that's actually like an official one. I
get paid for it, and it's like super intense. We
got movie news, we got reviews, we got movie classics,
we got guests on the show, like and it's been
pretty much six days of prep and one day of
doing it and then you kind of go back to
doing the prep. So it was I was just running

(02:30):
on films while doing several things at once. But it's
a bittersweet thing. The podcast is ending. Well, I'm back
here all right.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
I have to say I've been seeing Javi doing like
the Q and A hosting Q and A is doing
premieres like you are literally living the life of an
international mana mystery. Every time I like see in like
a new Instagram story, You're in like some beautiful countryside
vineyard or something, you know, somewhere, And I'm just like
Jobby is just living his greatest life right now. And

(03:05):
I could not be proud of you. I could not
be happier for you.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Thank you, dude. I mean, it's social media though, so
it's kind of all glossy like that. That's not all
I do. It's kind of you know, the least amount
of what I do. But it's so cool.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah, it looks good. It looks good, just like you.
You look goods always the greatest.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
The flattery is getting uncomfortable.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
You look good, Dutch, good Dutch.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Actually, Maddy, how are you? My friend?

Speaker 3 (03:33):
Now?

Speaker 2 (03:33):
We all the time, but doing all the snokes every week?
But how are you doing much?

Speaker 3 (03:36):
I told you every week I'm all right, all right,
all right, I see every week we'll talk about how
I am.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
We've got we've got a mission here.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
That's true. We got true. We have your mission today.
I just left it up real quick. Guys. May twentieth,
nineteen or twenty twenty three. May thirtieth or May thirtieth,
twenty twenty three was the last time we did lot
class actions stream together. It's over a year and a half.
Year and a half, we're back. We're not back full time.
I don't want to get anybody too excited about it.

(04:04):
We are hitting back, but we have made a kind
of background decision to do this not just as a
one off. But you can't do monthly, probably try to
do it monthly. We'll even can do monthly live stream
because we can. I'm gonna do live streams again. This
is my first live stream in a while as well.
I did like a few after Class Action. But as
you saw in the show A Channel yesterday, I now

(04:26):
have memberships for the channel. I also now can do
like superchats and stuff which I had never been able
to do before. This is how the channel has grown
a little bit. So if you're out there and you're watching,
I don't know if you're watching live or you're not
watching live. I kinda threw us together a little bit
last minute as far as like letting people know about it.
But if you are watching, you want to throw a
super chat, just let me know If it works, that'd
be great. If not, I get it too, don't don't

(04:48):
worry about it. We will collect all kind of chat
stuff at the end. If you want to talk about.
Leave comments, leave their suggestions, leave their answers to our questions.
But we should get into this. What are what is
class action? If you ever seen the show before, I
mean it's been away for a while, you might have
never seen an episode class action, you already take up
two things.

Speaker 5 (05:06):
Either movies, actors, directors composers put up against each other
in a battle to the death is a steel cage
match actually des ends up in a courtroom and we
figure out which one is victorious.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
But how do we do that. We don't do it
with a snap judgment. We instead we do it with
five specific categories. Because we look at these things today,
we got Gladiator versus Gladiator two on the service. To me,
this is an easy decision. Quite frankly, my snap JUDGM
would be the Gladiator is the Ultimate is a better
movie than two. That's my snap judgment. However, I've made

(05:40):
many snap judgment before, and people will say all the time, people,
that's an easy one, blah blah blahlah blah. But then
you put the five categories up and somehow we get
the weirdest decisions, and somehow in Resurrection gets ruled. The
next rounding, I got mistake of pod.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
There's only been two like definitive ass whippins on this show.
That was Jurassic Park Trilogy Bus Jurassic World.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
That's true, that was, and.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
I can't remember which the other one was.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
It was actually something unexpected. I think.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
This over Avatar two.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
Of course you did. Of course you want to say.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
That, Well, the this came in and hair came with
a steel cheer and knock the avatar out. No, maybe
I could be wrong on that, but I do remember
some stat effect. But it's very very likely. It's usually
going to be a quick decision, like a ten to
nine decision eleven not whatever it is. But it's gonna
be an interesting barn burder for this one because I
can't wait to put these crews up together. We know

(06:42):
somebody the shafts Matt Thomas. Good to see, my friend
as always. But let us get into the show. Before
we get into the trial, which is our meat and potatoes,
we have a couple of things we like to do
with here. We play around, of course, and the first
thing we're gonna do is something I love to do.
I think everybody loves to do. Who doesn't love to
do it? It is of course, what would that hairsply

(07:06):
fuck And like typical, Jarvi has not prepared.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
This is, of course, of course I'm prepared. Hold on
just going to IMDb. I am prepared. I'm prepared.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
This is what we take after of all time, the
greatest character actor of all time, and we put them
into story somehow, whether if you're replacing somebody or recasting somebody,
or we can sometimes create a new character and uh,
you start to mention the story somehow that we want
to see it. Jarby's been very good at that. I
will say Jarviy usually wins that even better than I do.
So we're not further ado, my friends, you'll do Gladiator,

(07:43):
and you want to do Gladiator to first.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
Let's do a Gladiator first, Let's do the classic one first.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
And since Jarby's unprepared, I got to goes Jarvey first.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
Yeah. Fuck, all right, so.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
Where you're putting that hair, it's not going to be great.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
I have a good one, because this is gonna be
all right. I'm gonna go with that one. I'm not
gonna go with the obvious route because I think Oliver
Read is kind of the go to. But I'm gonna
pivot and go to Marcus Aurelius. I think Ed Harris

(08:19):
has to kind of bring it down to a lower level.
He can't do angry at Harris. He's just gotta be
super authoritarian and just whisper. Let's whisper. Now, he hasn't
whispered in a movie, and I feel like he's yelling
is as good as he's whispering when he's talking to Maximus,

(08:40):
and I mean he he dies, but it's I mean,
just think of comtists choking out at Harris makes even
more angrier.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Yeah, that's very true. My god, I want to punch
him in the face even more, replacing one Harris with
the other. Okay, I like that.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
Oh yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
Richard Harris Harris's that's a good call there, man. They related, No,
they're not. I wish they were. They'd be awesome together.
My god, Marcus Rice, that's a good choice there. I
did consider that to consider that one. Maddie, what about you,
my friend?

Speaker 3 (09:12):
If there's someone anyone that Ed Harris should play in Gladiator,
I'm going with Proximo.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
All right.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
Yeah, you imagine Ed Harris hyping up Russell Crotell him
win the crowd.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Win, the crowd like ftorf.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
Ed Harris is like your hype. Not only like is
okay Gardet proximal is the slave owner. But if there's
someone that I want hyping me up to go into
battle Ed Harris.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Mm hmmm. That's a good point. That's a very good point.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
And he's always up there in the Colosseum looking he's
up there there, down there.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
They're down there. Uh, back to that. It always goes
back to that walked into the wrong goddamn Colisseum. Uh okay, Well,
then I'm gonna try to go somebody else. I always
try to make it so we have a different opinions
of everything else. I'm gonna go with stanandor Gracis during
the movie's part. Why because a he lives on to

(10:21):
the second movie and think happen in both movies that way,
although they pick a different one too. But I kind
of like that as a more like you were talking
about the whispering part. I kind of like the similar reasons.
It's kind of more of a lower key part. He's
got a man, he's a man of honor. We know
that already plays the man of honor really well, and

(10:42):
he can be the one who poses commonists. He's the
ally of Maximus, very low key kind of person, but
he watched the right He's gonna do the right thing
no matter what, and no one does the right thing
better than mister.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
These are all great picks. Do you know what? I
just realized that Ed Harris would actually be perfect for
the most obvious of all. A young Ed Harris says Maximus.
I mean that is just because he's got because Russell
Crowe has that, you know, the famous speech where he
does my name is Maximus Deesimus Murdi is like he
looks calm, but if you look at his acting, he's

(11:15):
trying to like hold back all the anger that he
has inside him. Think of it Harris doing that.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
Oh we gotta get to that.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Let me tell you something, my friend. I mean, Russell
Crowe won the Academy Award beating out At Harris for Pollocks,
so it'd be only righteous he did. So Ed Harris
actually should replace uh because that would only be just
the third righteousness as it is. But I do love
that idea too. I thought I did consider that first

(11:44):
sat the way we want to. I mean, Russell is
great in the role, but you put at Harris excited
aboute to that. All right, all right, we got Gladiator done,
let's move on to Gladiator two. What will do cast
him in Gladiator too? I'm gonna go to you first again.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
Just let me.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
I've got blood.

Speaker 4 (12:07):
If you want me to go, let media good. I'm
going to create a role for Ed Harris in this one, Okay.
I would want Ed Harris to be the one.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
To tell Lucius the story of his father. So I
would cast Ed Harris as like a grizzled old gladiator
that made it out, that was there witnessed the legend
of Maximus take place firsthand, and he just pulls Lucius
to one side and just says, look, I saw your
father in the coliseum. I knew his legacy, and like

(12:43):
he's the one that takes Lucius down into the cave
and shows him the suit of armor and the sword
like that.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
So it's like Robbie. Robbie was kind of similar to that.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yeah, anyway, absolutely, I get that. I like that. Good car,
good car, jarbage. You get one now or do you
want me to go? I'm gonna do it. Yes, it's
a little bit of a white wash. I'm sorry, I
gotta do it that do Pedro Pascal. I gotta general career,
come come on, Ed Harris in that role, the older
grizzled general, the older grizzled general who has to like

(13:17):
come back and like become the guye who fights Palmist off,
fight Soucius, I mean, the honorable general who can He
actually saw my joke earlier. He could be standing at
the top Calousium looking down on Lucious. He would be
up there, the Lucius would be down there. The only
problem is that Harris so that that's I guess that's
probably why he didn't get cast in the role, because

(13:40):
he is so strong and so powerful that he was represented.
So you know, it is what it is. But if
anybody could die gloriously and full of honor, it is Harris.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
He was looking down on Lucius's wife at one point.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
That's true. That is very true. He would definitely do that.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
And he has that awesome moment when he's coming in
on the siege tower or something, you know, just coming
again from an elevated position. I mean it works.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
Ed Harris just constantly haigh.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
Round, Yeah, exactly. We shouldn't underestimate his powers.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
He is obi one. He is one all right, Starving.
It's up to you now whether you're ready or not.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
Yeah, I'm gonna go with a smaller role, but I
feel like it Harris would be kind of perfect for it.
It's the Vigo part, and that's the guy who was
Matt Crinus's, you know, the gladiator sort of trainer, the
tough looking guy, the bald guy with like a beard.
He was younger than Ed Harris, but I feel like
that role could be It's kind of similar to Maddi's

(14:45):
because he's like a grizzled ex gladiator and he's you know,
teaching young Lucius a lesson there and uh yeah. But
I feel like, actually, I think they did Vigo kind
of wrong in the movie because he actually wasn't a
bad guy, but Lucia's pretty much just killed him cold
blood like he was he kind of had. He just

(15:06):
wanted him to get better. He was a trainer. I
feel like Ed Harry's would bring more of that li
likeability to that role.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
You know what. I actually thats the role. I that
was my other choice, that was one of their choice.
I was gonna go, yeah, the same reason because of
what you just said. The way they kind of did it.
I didn't want to put him in that role. Stak
off about it, but I would have made him home
more heroic, more he would have turned on him or something,
or gone away somehow, I don't know. Something would have
been cool about that.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
For sure.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
That's a good choice. It's a very good offering. There
were very good choices. Matt Thomas saying the slave owner
hr loses everything gambling with Denzel. That's an interesting choice.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
Oh yeah, Oh that's the ship Weazel right.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
With the character and doesn't play ship weasels too often.
But he can do it. He can do it, so
that'd be interesting.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
You say that he couldn't do anything exactly.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
I actually thought about put castles Lucilla, but that'd be
different story entirely. He could absolutely get away with it.
All right, let's move on to our next segment. That
here in Class Action, Ed Harris is down. We got
him done. Let's look on to the Public Defender, which
I'm gonna be honest with you. Here's a little hint
from behind the scenes. We went live about five minutes

(16:14):
before we started talking about going. What is public defunder?
I don't remember what that is? Jarvi tell us what
it is?

Speaker 1 (16:20):
All right, the public Defender. Now that's a segment where
we kind of like to put ourselves on the spot.
It's unprepared, So Maddie's gonna give me and Pod like
a top three list, our top five list, some topic
that we don't know what it's about. Now. Why do
we call it the public Defender? It's because usually these
characters in movies are depicted as you know, these overworked, underpaid,

(16:44):
tired they coming to court. They don't really know what
they're doing. No one wants them as their defender, so
pretty much they're not prepared for what's about to happen.
And this is what's going to happen to us now
by Matt, I.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Like, actually, it's kind of like this entire live stream,
and I'm entirely prepared for what's happened because we realized
that we have no idea what we're doing, just like
we never really just know what we were doing. So
it's okay, but I want to throw it out there
again since we have more people in the chat now
because to see anouncement. Of course, UH memberships are live now.
I think I can do super chest now, So if
anyone wants to throw a super chat in just to
like make sure see if it works. I'm excited for it.

(17:19):
But other than that, no teking for money. I'm just
kind of curious if it works. But anyway, madd you
go have a public defender.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
It was funny, quick side tangent when I saw that
video that you put up about the memberships. I thought
about putting a post out saying that if we reach
a hundred members by the time of the live stream,
we would do this stream all in togas. I don't
know if that would be a bit too much.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
Okay, done, it could have done.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
It could have done it so few gentlemen, because we
are so unprepared. I'm just going to give you a
top three Okay, it's time with Javi. Top three period
pieces in movies.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
So period movies. Oh okay, just.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
Just just top three period movies altogether. It can be anything.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Anything like, it doesn't matter what period it could be,
like we're working.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
It would be okay, anything, okay, anything before modern nineties,
modern day.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
So I'm talking like ancient times like kind of movies.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
Yeah, okay, Oh, that's tougher because all of my choices
are from you know, two thousand and forward.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
No, no, I mean the period in the movie.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
All right, right right, sorry, okay, got it. Oh, I
think you just got your first super chat I did.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Thank you, Matt Thomas. I appreciate it, did work. I
appreciate that. Awesome, it works. Sweet.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
All right. I'm not gonna pick because Claudiator would be
my go to pick. I'm not going to do that one.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
The last Samurai very good choice, very good choice.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
That would have been my pick.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
Mm hmm, all right, gonna pick an unpopular one, but
I think it's really good. Kingdom of Heaven that was
the one that followed Glad and the director's cut. Really
friggin good. All right. Third one, I'm kinda damn it.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
I want to say one specific one that I know,
you know, h.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
Night's Tale.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
I mean, it wasn't the one I was thinking.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
It wasn't. Oh dude, I was so sure that was
the one you were fishing for.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
Hey man, I'll take it. The greatest movie I haven't
made of I'll take that one, okay.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Okay, Oh man, all right, I'm gonna go with the
Patriot Fuck you know, damn man, damn that man, Eazy Gibson.
I could I could go with other Gibson Brave Heart
as well, but I'm not going to I want to
leave Braveheart alone for now. I don't want I don't

(19:57):
want to double down one at this point, copying Beethoven,
Ed Harris as Beethoven?

Speaker 1 (20:06):
What that happened that one?

Speaker 2 (20:08):
It did? It was not well, it was not what
we're seeing. He did? He absolutely did.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
Did he have to lend the Moonlight Sona for it?

Speaker 2 (20:19):
He actually, if you honestly speaking, and some people don't
like the movie, and it's fine, it's a little cheesy,
kind of boards on cheesy at times. But if you
ever google the scene where he conducts, it's just Ed
Harris conducting orchestra. Towards the end of the movie, he
is all in my friends. I mean, some people might
say it's it's a soloist type thing because of the
movie surrounding it. But I love him in this and
I think he damn good John. So I'm gonna put

(20:41):
copy beach Oven on your radar just for that sequence
in and of itself alone. And uh for my last one?
What about my old time classic? I guess his counts theoretic,
but Clash of the Titans, the old Schooglas not the same. No, No,
Sam Worthington, he of Avatar Family, White Man, The.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
Shack In for me, the the faith based thriller movie
that I wasted two hours of my life watching.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
The original Blast from Canadian One Harry Hammond. I loved
that with growing up. It was a kid was a
kid favorite of mine as a child, like a childhood favorite.
Watched it every time I could. The stop motion of
battle sequences the produce had. I love Greek pathology, so
that definitely fits them for me as well. So Class
Titans for me.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
My big one that me Troy would have been a
good one.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
I was just not saying that was one that I
was thinking. I was expecting you guys to go with it.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
Up to you.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
Okay, well I'm gonna go with Troy.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
Okay. Mmm, you've had the most time to think about it.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
Man, you're the only one who's supposed to be prepared.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
Brothers, Ben Brothers O war films technically period pieces.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
At this point, that's admitting serious count.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
It's a movie show.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
Wasn't there a movie?

Speaker 2 (22:10):
There's a saving Private Ryan?

Speaker 3 (22:12):
Okay, get me saving Private Ryde, and I'll take saving
Private Ryan Okay, that's fair. Troy saving Private Ryan and Pompeii.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
Pompeii, that's a good one too.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
That's wait, that's the kid Harrington one. Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
You know what, it wasn't a great movie, but.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
That's true.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
I'm going to change on my news. I'm gonna change
electrics again. I'm gonna take out Copying Beethoven. I'm gonna
replace it with another Ed Harris period piece, Enemy at
the Gates. You love the sniper World War two sniper
action going on? Okay, yeah, that's actually really really good.

(22:56):
That's one Bet Harris's best villain roles, and he does
a lot of villain roles.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
If with taking them out, I'm going to take out
Pompei and I'm going to put in TC legends period
piece Far and Away where he plays the irishman the
moves to the State.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
Oh okay, that's an interesting choice. That's choice. I'm not
I would not think that of you, to be honest
with you.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
It's my favorite TC legend movie. But I figured we
have to have a TC legend mentioned.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
Well, we already had one. He had Last Seven Ride.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
The best TC legend mentioned.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
I mentioned as a as a as an honorable mention
with throwing your back to the Future Part three all out.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
I like Alan Smithy in the chat his one A.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Yeah, actually I mentioned that I saw that as well.
That's what I love that movie. That's a great film
in the eighties. I was watched that one, so good
one for sure.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
I completely forgot that I was supposed to do a
public defender as well, by the way I thought one that.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
I was like, oh, Ship, you thought you wropped that book.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
You're like the true public defender, giving out the case
to other public defenders and switching out your answers like
public defenders when they're flopping their cases. So we're staying
on br.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
All right, enough of this, let's move on to the trial.
The judges called the judges walked in the chamber. Drummers
walked in the chamber. He's sitting down. He's going to
hear our arguments. Now for the five categories that we have,
I got right in a notebook here, so I don't
I have to. I can't miscount Jarvis not running the show.
I can't. I can't mistabulate the I almost day.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
Wait, I've always been on I've always done my math right.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
Right right, I think I have. I had to actually
post a like a retraction distraction after one of the episodes.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
I don't remember, I cannot recall, so Michael.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
Flanagan it was that was exactly the one. Absolutely Jarvy
not being able to recall. He's got that politicians speak
down already. Let's listen to the five categories we have,
uh one better story, two better hero, three better villain,
four better music, and five better action slash disc bump moments.

(25:14):
And if you know the Action Army, which is we
are generations from the Action Army or the Action Army. Uh,
fist pump basically means it's those moments where you go, yes,
you can't wait to see what's happening, and you got
to call your friend up. Jarvey put it on later
two on our thirty three, and then I don't care.
I don't care your ground the funeral, go watch it now,
and that.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
Has happened, by the way, I think. Uh, I think
I had to go to the bathroom at some event
that you texted me you got to watch this scene.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
Those cool you a funeral to tell you to look at.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
It wasn't a funeral, but it was like a dinner
party or something.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
Jarvy did hit me at a wedding, ones he did
hit me up the.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
Wedding, did I okay?

Speaker 2 (25:56):
And I actually went to the bathroom watched, you know,
because that's that's a sacred as you should all right,
first up, Then we got best story, Jarvey. We'll lead
off with the year. Since you wanted to bring this back.
You named this, you named the category, you named the films.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
All right, better story. So we're talking scripts, we're talking
character arcs. I mean, Gladiator one, we got the story
of Maximus and how he pretty much like got shoved
aside by politics, his family got killed, he became a
gladiator in the savor of Rome. Eventually classic story with
a strong narrative, great subplots that culminated in kind of

(26:41):
an epic climax. Gladiator two we got the story of Hanno,
by a boy who pretty much got conquered in his
home city, not home city, in the city that was
living in. His wife got killed, he became a gladiator,
rose to the ranks. You kind of see the beats
of what I'm talking about. This is kind of a
copy paste of the first movie. I mean, they did

(27:04):
give us some nuances. But I think as great a
job as really Scott did, he's still playing the greatest
hits of Gladiator one. I mean, we've heard these crazy
stories of the pitching pitch ideas that Gladiator too almost
got like he almost came back from the dead or

(27:24):
something and the gods resurrected him. I mean, it would
have been crazy, but it would have been more original.
I think one of my biggest problems with Gladiator two
was that the story was a bit of the same thing.
It wasn't so much a sequel as it was like
a rebuokal or whatever.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
You call it. No, I actually agree with you one
hundred percent. So you're gonna go with Gladiator.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Yeah, that's glad Gladiator two thousand.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
I actually agree with you. I think I've remember he
was wild stories like Russell crow is coming back. I
think actually Russell Crowe probably they probably didn't probably look
at Russell Crowe. And this is no offense because I
am a fat man myself at time, like he's a
little bit not quite in Gladiator's shape. I don't think
they can look at him and go, oh, he could
do is Gladiator roll again? You have to do a
lot of a lot of working out to get back
into that kind of shape. So I think it went
now he did zoos category he was wearing he was wearing.

(28:18):
It was definitely a couple of sizes bigger than they could.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
Have done some ad rush in stunt double or something.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
That could have but I would have preferred. I think
I actually would have preferred overall the wild Swing that
would have been that line, because that's what hopefully, because
you're right, it is definitely much more of a cut
and paste effort. Uh. Some of the beach are similar,
some of the characters are similar, some of the storylines
seem similar. I just can't get it out of the
way of itself. Unfortunately, and unfortunately to me, like I

(28:48):
said before, I'm gonna say it again, like I said
my initial snap judgment, Gladiator wins this overall because Gladder
a too. Biggest fault is that it feels like it
keeps reminding me of the better movie. So like it's like, oh,
that movie we're in flashbacks of Russell.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
The show scenes from the first movie in the intro.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
Right, and it's like, Oh, that's you keep showing me
the better movie. That's that's okay. I think that The
Gladder two was bad, but it's it definitely feels like
it's a copy copy paste of itself, So I gotta
go with flatier as well that they top to you.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
I think I'll take this opportunity to speak up for
Gladiator too. I think I don't want to say that
it was intentional repeating a lot of the story beats,
but I feel like there is some kind of mirroring
and synchronicity with the story of Gladiator and the story
of Rome. Of like the Dream of Rome, it's kind

(29:41):
of repeating itself. It's going around in a cycle, and
we're seeing this mirrored story because Rome keeps making the
Rome and the politicians and everything, they keep making the
same mistake. Marcus Aurelis's dream isn't coming to fruition because
they just keep making these same mistakes. They keep throwing
these wild games, and the parties spending all this money,

(30:02):
putting these people, putting the people room into further deeper
and deeper poverty. I think I don't know if it
was like an intentional choice on Ridley Scott's Park to
mirror the two and kind of show that through Rome,
but that was me starting with love. Let's take the
story down to the core points. Here, a rich kid

(30:23):
gets sent away to live on a remote island because
his mom is so afraid that he would get corrupted
by the politicians. And when he has the chance to
avenge his wife's death, the same thing happened. Like maximus
wife dies, Lucius's wife dies. When he has the chance
to avenge his wife's death, he doesn't do it because

(30:47):
the guy is banging his mum. I'm sorry, but like
you want to honor Maximus, you put his sword through
that bastard skull solely because he is banging your mum.
Like not, It's here's the thing, like, not only does

(31:09):
he does that happen? And I'm sorry, I love I
really really like lad here too, but this really got
caught in my crawl of like, not only did he
not kill the guy, the guy that he's put himself
through hell to try and get to because he killed
his wife, like right, He turns to the crowd and says,

(31:30):
is this how Rome treats its heroes? When did this
guy become a hero? Like he was pillaging on behalf
of these sicko emperors. He killed your wife, he's you know,
what I said about his mum. That's what he's doing.
And then you just suddenly turn around and say, is
this how Rome treats its heroes because you feel bad?

(31:53):
Like Maximus would have gone through hell and back to
put his soul and put his sword through that Boston.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
Skull like the gurgle. He would have done that.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
It is exactly like that mom that you are fighting
to defend. She sent you away as a child. She
didn't do anything for you. Your wife went to war
with you, she stood by your side through bow, she
died for you.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
She was pregnant right there you go, and as your boy,
there you girl, you kid.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
She should have he should have just done Pedro Pascal
like in Game of Thrones, just crushed his skull with
the viper.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
So you'd have to wear a mask. I didn't jurn
for the rest of his life because we lived through
all the Pedro Pascal characters. Now as we go through
maybe he'd stretched out like read Richard. No, I get it.
You know, you're're absolutely right. You're absolutely right, and that
I get that aspect of it on for sure. But
you're so you're gonna go to bath from that or two.
But are you giving it the win.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
I'm going to bat for by it, but I'm giving
it to Gladia.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
That's my thought because I think even the nuances that
Gladiator two did, like Acacias Pedro Pascal is kind of
Maximus and Luci. Like if you put Pedro Pascal and
Paul Mescal together, you get Maximus. That's the same character,
just split into two. With Denzel, you got the two emperors,

(33:21):
and Denzel put him together pretty much got the villain.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
Mm. Well, we'll talk more about it when get the villain.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
But that's a very interesting thing I didn't think of.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
I understand what you was going with on that, and
it isn't saying basically it's taking It's like when Queen
had the Freddie Mercury Tribute concert and they had Elton
John and Apsel Rose in uniaptody. Because you had Freddy
at it's glitious and Freddie is most dangerous. It took
two of them to do it, whereas in the original
he only had one Freddy Mercury, he only did one Maximus.
But okay, I get that, all right, let's move on.

(33:52):
Move on there, Let's move on to our next category here,
better hero, better hero. I'll start this one off. This
is a very easy one for me. Lucia's can't lick
h Maximus boots. I'm sorry, it's not even close. Like
Paul Mscal is a fine actor. He has given nothing here.
He is the entire film. He just the film tells

(34:15):
us he's not as good as Maximus. He's looking up
to Maximum as Maximus, as God, and he's just like
like lower And it's like, yeah, I know, you don't
how to tell me that as I'm missing Russell Crowe.
You're showing me Russell Crowe as Maximum is doing all
those things, and I'm like, that's the guy I'm looking for.
This Paul Mascal reminds me of in this role. And
I hate saying this because he's actually a good actor

(34:37):
and other things. He's a good actor, and this he
reminds me of the people I kind of appruciated against.
The Sam Mornington's, the Gy Courtney's. It's kind of like
any old white man you can throw in that role.
They kind of like indivisible, plug and play kind of
people that like don't really stand out to me. He
did not stand out in any way shape.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
You're not wrong, though.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
I like the thing is I actually like him. That's
why I'm not gonna say this is a career killer,
because I've seen him in other things and he has
been good. He was great in The Lost Daughter, he
was good in a fee he was good, and he's
been in some things that he has shown his worth.
Then after son after son, this just isn't it, unfortunately,
And it's because more because of the story I think.

(35:20):
I don't think this is his fault, but he is
just lost because I get also what you said about
we put him up against Pedro Pascal, Pascal, who's his charisma.
So here you are you putting him in there, and
he gets overshadowed by him. It's like and when he
doesn't kill him, it's like even worse, Like he's the
character you kind of respect, Like, okay, period, Pascal's character.
I how to respect that. This guy gets it being

(35:42):
a whiny bitch half the time, to be honest with you.
So I don't know about but me, are you guys
to me, this is a clear cut I have ever
I don't know if I've ever had a more clear
cut victory in the category than this one for me. Jarvia,
I'll let you cheat up from there.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
Yeah, I'm ockering what you said. It's and if you
think about like Lucius's speech in the arena, like Maximus
had awesome speeches every time he like riled these guys up.
What Lucius said was this is about survival, survive and
they went to war. It was like, I was watching

(36:17):
it with my girlfriend, she was like, was that the
fucking speech?

Speaker 2 (36:22):
What?

Speaker 1 (36:23):
Like? He I love Paul Mescallet as well, and I'm
kind of afraid to say it, but I have to.
He was miscast in this. He really was miscasting this.
He he tries to do, you know, he tries to
differentiate from Russell Crowe from Maximus, and he has that
softer side to him. He's sort of more emotional. He

(36:46):
has that kind of like a teddy bear feel to him,
as Russell Crowe was more like he's gonna explode with anger,
although in the trailer they kept saying your rage is
your best weapon. But he kind of felt more like
a teddy bear, you know, you kind of see the
kindness in his eye. So yeah, I think Lucious slash Hannah,
whatever you want to call him, he was cool and

(37:08):
he did like he was built like a brick Wall
as well. He kind of worked his physique for it.
But you can't go against Maximus. And Maximus has the
best speech in cinema history, I think with the Maximus
Decimus Meridius one, the delivery, the way he says it's
the turn, the look, I mean everything. Although I do

(37:30):
think that Paul Mescal at this point and oh actually
he can't say that. No, Russell Crowe had awesome roles
because I want to kind of say that Mescal has
the potential to go further than Crow at the moment,
you can't say it. And Crow even had La Confidential.
He had a beautiful mind during that time.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
So yeah, no, he even got the nice guys at
some point, come on, you know that.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
Yeah, but that's later though. I mean like at this
point their careers, uh, they kind of were in the same.
But I still feel like, yeah, Crow takes it. That
is the better villain, I mean, better hero. Yeah, Maximus.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Two things I gotta respond before before I get it's
Maddie here a. I love your accent. Charvey. I thought
you said titty bar. He said teddy bear, and I'm like.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
I wait to t bar. I was like, where were
that tea bozz.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
And there was lots of titties in that movie, though
there was right.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
It was sure was uh best speech goes, I don't know,
sound like Menandy thinking in Prince's Bride. Hello, my name
is a Nigo Montoya. You killed my father. I prepared
to die. Might have a little bit Nandy. Maybe I
don't know what to steak.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
I mean, I'll give it over to you.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
I really really, really really want to speak up for
poor mescal in this one. But and I think that's
the whole point, right. I think if they'd have spent
more time showing how Lucius is not like Maximus as
opposed to showing that he is trying to become Maximus,
like the moment where his mom comes to meet him

(39:18):
for the first time, and instead of like pushing her away,
he can look what do I do?

Speaker 2 (39:23):
Like?

Speaker 3 (39:23):
What what can I do to get back to my
grandfather's legacy, my grandfather's dream. I think if they'd have
spent more time showing his differences, because they even show
the scene from the first one where he meets Maximus
at the cage, right, It's like you're trying to build
this lead into a lead from another movie. If they

(39:46):
I think if they'd have done more of showing how
he's not like Maximus and Acacius fit the role of
Maximus as opposed to just hitting us over the head
with Look how great Russell Crowe was as Maximus. We know,
we've seen the movie. We saw Russell crow get the
oscar for it. But Maximus is a top five hero

(40:08):
of all time. Let's not let's just get out the
way he and it's like he doesn't want to kill
those people even though he's like one of the most
incredible generals of all time. He loves the man who
raised him and he just wants to serve him until
it times for him to go home to his wife
and kid, and then all that gets taken away from him,
and you have arguably the greatest revenge movie ever made.

(40:31):
Even like over John Wick and everything else, he's a
man of principle. I mean, you gotta only look at
how he was with Juba, like Smu, men from completely
different worlds. But he fights to protect him, He fights
to protect the other gladiators that serve with him, and
he wins the crowd over. The crowd knows who he is.
They don't give two shits who Lucius is. They don't

(40:53):
know him, They don't even know that he's his daddy's son,
that he's a nepo baby until essentially until the very
end of the movie, because that actually what he is,
because the crowd loves Maximus, right, they didn't know who
Lucius was, nor did they care. But it comes back
to the scene that we're going to talk about when
we get to the fist pump moments. But the look
in Commodus's eyes when he said when he and he

(41:14):
didn't even want to take the helmet off, Commodists made
him take his helmet off, and he was just like,
all right, I guess the jig's up. I guess we're
doing this. The look of fear in Commodis's eyes when
he knows he's fucked, but he just doesn't know how
fucked he is. Like Maconus didn't have the moment like that.

(41:36):
He didn't fear Lucius. Neither did the emperors. None of
them did he like he didn't have And again it
goes back to my point of they didn't do a
lot of building up Lucius to be lucious. They built
him up to be this essentially want to be Napo
baby version of his dad, like he didn't have that
strike the fear into the heart of his enemy moment.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Yeah. Absolutely, you're absolutely right there to say, hi real quick,
Kelly chat Wow, good to see. Uh No, Matt, you're
absolutely right. And I actually think you bring up a
great point there, especially about the idea that perhaps they
should kill lat Pedro Pascal and they actually could have
had them yes together, because it is hard to match
up to Maximus, So why not give you both characters

(42:19):
to be the ones to kind of turn the tide.
That would make sense to me. That would actually work better.
Admit your defeat a little bit because you're already going
into retread territory as it is, will give you something
maybe a little different that could have worked out that way.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
So good.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
That would have been a good interesting choice to see
for sure.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
But what if they'd had a cacious lucious but show
lucious the mercy.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
Yeah, yeah, that's how it should have been. Yeah, they
did a cacious dirty like he was. I was expecting
him to be my favorite character in the movie. They
got rid of him too soon.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
Absolutely agree, Absolutely agree. All right, let's move on then
to the next category. I hate to say it Glader too.
But you better pick up some slack because you're getting
trounced here. Better villain. Maybe that's the role that can
do it for you. Better villain. And you know what
I'm thinking, right often say it ripped the bend it off.
I'm giving this one a Glader too. I actually live
this one of Gladder too. I love Denzel much. Oh

(43:16):
he is.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
He's the ship weasel.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
He is a ship weasel Villa. He's still a villain
that he's getting. Who's Who's mescal gotta beat the end?

Speaker 1 (43:25):
Okay, he's got that's true. That's true.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
Denzel is the is. If you put Denzel in any movie,
and what's great about it. It doesn't matter what what he's saying,
what his accent is, I don't care if it's at Rome.
I'm talking like I'm talking. I'm fucking Denzel Washington. And
he becomes an intriguing character right from the get go.
Former slave. You can see him work in the system.
He's manipulating behind the scenes a little bit like like
a little Finger from Game of Thrones, and away he's

(43:50):
like he knows exactly what he's doing. He's a low birth,
low common man. Kind of thing he can see. Uh.
The other the actual co emperors, which were actually very
well played. Those are real ship weasel type people themselves too,
like because they don't really have any power per se.
They have like they have power, but like it's so
like they can be manipulated so easily by Denzel there

(44:11):
just like it's like they're playing He's playing them like
a fiddle. But Joseph Quinn specifically is really so. They
had the look down, which is really cool. They had
this kind of like almost like I want to say,
almost like it was almost like a wasted we've kind
of look like even tho they're supposed to be like this,
Usually the emperors are big, larger, you know, they they're

(44:35):
they they get the spoils of victory and they get
the you know, there's they're gluttons and stuff like that.
This and that. They're very thin built characters, but Denzel
just plays them like fiddles. And Denzel is is masterful
and everything else. Here's some of the greatest lines of dialogue.
And then when he does have to take up arms
to the end, he does that's gonna make some not
ship weasel because he does take up arms at the end,

(44:55):
he takes on those arms, he starts fighting him back,
and like he does it pretty well. Where yeah, he
loves he's an older glaviator. He's an older fighters not
exactly what used to. He's not been trained in the
uh the pits for a long time. The best scal
is just coming out of the pits. But he's a
he knows he's doing a good good fighter. Overall. I
think that Denzel is better than Commanists. Is a great villain.

(45:16):
And this is where I did, I will understand your lost,
shocked looks, Charlie, because I do want to punch him
in the face a lot, which makes him a great villain.
And I do like that he gets his comumpets by
Richard by uh like by Russell Crow at the end.
That makes a great villain as well. But the end
of the day, there's a little bit of a whining
bitch compared to Denzel. Denzels he's more powerful, Like, that's

(45:41):
more of a villain I want to see more of.
I don't want to see the Oh my daddy didn't
love me, love me. That's why that doesn't win for me.
That's just kid. I like Ed Harris villain care like
the general tough, honorable villains. He's not even a villain really,
you know, but that's not a story. Give me that

(46:02):
villain over the daddy didn't love me. So for me,
this is a delight to choose first win Charby.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
Yeah, okay, this is this hurts me to hear you
say that, but I do agree. I do agree that
Denzel and Joseph Quinn and Fred Herschinger like the trio together,
they make a strong group. But this is still a
easy walkover for commonas. I mean, he's he's and you

(46:36):
said that he's like whiny. His dad didn't love him. Yes,
he has those weasily cowardly aspects to him, but he's
and he said it, says it to himself. He has courage,
not on the battlefield, but he does kill his father.
I'm not saying it's a good thing to do. But
he's ambitious. He gets to the seat of power, he rules.

(47:00):
I mean, he does incest, which is fucking crazy, but
that makes it even more evil and more vile. And
he scares me as a person. Like if I would
face comedists on the street versus Denzel, Joseph Fred Herzinger,
I mean I would fear commotists. He is unpredictable. He

(47:21):
fights well as well. You see that where he's just topless,
going like fighting in the forest. So that power hungriness,
that evilness, that ambition, that makes it a very potent mix.
And yes, I do agree that Denzel gives one of
his best performances. I mean, he's very Denzel, but he

(47:44):
does it in the most I mean, in the best
way possible. Still, those three don't hold it up to
Hockey in Phoenix, because that is one of the best
performances of a villain.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Ever. Let me ask you a question. Yeah, Denzel up
against Denzel's character up against commodists, m hm in a situation,
who comes victorious? In general?

Speaker 1 (48:08):
That's a good question. I I think if they're at
the same age, I think Denzel, because he's a gladiator.
I still think that gladiator. I still think that Denzel
would be able to beat him in a straight fight.
But I think comedy. He's got his poisons, he's got
these little hooks, he's got someone helping. He fights dirty,
as does Denzel, but I feel like Commodists has more

(48:31):
tricks up his sleeve.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
Yeah, I think that Denzel can match commonists. Behind the
scenes Shiit and Denzel, and but Commedists has no chance
of beating him physically, so to me, Denzel makes a
better villain. And then you add on the wickedness of
the two emperors, even though that's kind of inspired a
little by The Joker with the monkey, you put the
monkey in there as well. The monkey can kick Communist's
asked for choice for Christ's. But okay, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
This is tougher than I thought it would be. When
I first came into this, I was like, oh, Denzel's
won their hands now. But you got to think you're
putting Commodus up against Macronus Joaquin versus Denzel. They're like
two very different style of villains. You have the little
Finger playing politics style of Macrinus, whereas Commonist is just

(49:18):
he's just a psycho. He's messed up in the head,
like tried to bang it, says stup because she's the
only one that's ever showed many affections. He's essentially an
insult killed his own father because he wanted to rull
over Rome. He had no idea the Maximus. He had
no idea that Maximus was going to say no. I
think if he had known the Maximus was going to
turn the job down, none of this would have happened.

(49:39):
So he's crazy, he's unhinged, he's completely off the rails. Macrinus,
I actually felt, was more like Proximo in the Proximo
for Sure win the crowd over and Mam Macrinus was
telling Lucius to use his rage to channel his rage.

(49:59):
You see, he's he's somewhat relatable and like you want
to at the start, you want to see him win.
When they have that first initial party and he brings
in Lucius and Lucius kills the other guy, and then
Macrinus wins all the money, You're just like, oh, hell yeah,
like Macron has got one over perfect. And then the
movie starts to unravel, the plot starts to unravel, and
then you get the moment at the end when he

(50:22):
walks into the like the Senate chamber holding the head
of one of the emperors and just puts it down
on the plinth and it's just like anyone got any questions? No, cool,
I'm the one in power now. And the problem is,
I don't think anyone actually feared Commodus because they knew

(50:44):
he could be controlled. He was crazy. He would he could,
He would definitely, Okay. I think they feared like being
in the same room as him, but I think they could.
They knew that he was a puppet that could be controlled.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
I have to argue with that one, Okay, okay, because
you could play these two emperors very easily. Machronus does that.
They are the ones who can be manipulated and swayed.
Commodists did his own thing, like many senators tried, Gractus tried,
I think other senators as well. You couldn't sway Commodists.

(51:19):
He had his own vision and I don't think anyone
swayed him though. In the movie though, no one kind
of Macoanus could.

Speaker 3 (51:27):
Who's the Ship? We easily center that, let loose that
Lucy Lucilla was like conspiring behind commodist is back, which
she was. He he was, but again they were starting
to play him like a fiddle for their own ends.
We showed that commedists could be he could be played someone.

(51:47):
I think each villain is if you look at both
of the empress if you look at Commedists, that's Rome
starting to come into a decline. I think they're very
much a mirror of how Rome is at the time
you have commedists, him is starting to be in declined,
much like his and then you have the twin emperors,
and it's just it's all gone, like all hope is

(52:07):
lost their week. They're pathetic. They even, like Paul even
mentioned how they look like it just looks doesn't look
the same. But Macrinus is more of a pop master.
I think I think I got to agree with Paul
in this one. I think I gotta go Macronus. I
think glad he two takes this one for me.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
Good. You have chosen wisely, my friend, You have chosen wisely.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
No.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
I mean, I get what you're saying, jeviy I do.
But I think at the end of the day, if
I put up the two villains against each other, he's loose.
He's unhandre. He's loose, But so is the Joseph, Quinn
and Fredish. They're kind of unhinded a little bit too.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
They're just copying commodists. They're pretty much just commotis not
even two point zero, just trying to kind of do
it in a different way.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
Took care of them.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
Like they say, that makes those two emperors weak villains, which.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Is taken them though, that's what I'm saying. So you're saying,
so they're copying commodists and they're a week, so Commonist
is still kind of over a week compared to that, like,
compared to Macrinus, who could have over overtaken them, because
cat Macritus could have over overshadowed him, just like he
shout of the two other ones.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
I think comedists would have had spies spying on Macrinus,
and he would have got one over him. I think
he would have been all up to part what he's
up to.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
I'm killing my daughter anywhere anywhere. Okay, all right, I
got I mean, look, I get Commas is a good
villain as far as that goes. He's definitely walking Phoenix
with a great job. At the end of the day,
I'll take Denze. So all right, let's move on then
to our next category. Then, but we got here, better music,
better score. Okay, I'll start with this one. This is

(53:46):
a tough one for me. I got to be honest.
I got to see Gladder two once. I did try
that to binge music afterwards, and it seemed like the
best parts of the Gladider two soundtrack were moments that
were kind of from Gladiader one. To be honest with you, yep,
although that being said, as much as I love Hans Zimmer,
this was a period of Hans Zimmer's life where Hans

(54:06):
Zimmer loved Hans Zimmer also, and uh, it's basically think
I'm gonna take every score over to the rock practice Carabbean,
I'm gonna do everything I can. I's gonna throw it
in there and make it. Basically, it sounds like the
same thing Lord over again. Williams has done that a
couple of times with the quotes and stuff, but not
the same degree. Hans really feels like he's plagiarizing himself
a few times. But the good news is he's plagiarizing

(54:30):
good stuff and it is his stuff he's plagiarizing. So yeah,
it's that sixt half. What is the other? I mean, like,
is it is it very unique? No, it's not, but
it is good. It's good. He does a good job
of that adventurous feel, that kind of like warrior feel,
that kind of like it gets you going and want
on the edge of your seat, your fist pumping already,

(54:51):
and that's what this pump. Sure we started hearing that
music going honor and strength here. Yeah, let's do it.
Let's do it. So I gotta say, I gotta say
I love I gotta go Gladder one overall because letter
two is good, but lighter one seems to be more
original and based. Sure, what do you think?

Speaker 1 (55:13):
Yeah, my decision is easy in this one. So I'm
gonna like. I think Gladiator. Hans zimmer Gladiator soundtrack is
the best soundtrack that's ever been made. And I know
I'm subjective on this one, but it is up there
with the best. I think Zimmer's music. What a score
needs to do is elevate the movie. I mean Zimmer's

(55:34):
music elevated Gladiator like Howard Shore did it for a
Lord of the Rings. The movie wouldn't be what it
is today if it wasn't for that score. And I
truly believe that. I mean every moment, like calm or epic,
is heightened by these great themes. I mean there's these quiet,
calm flutes where you can kind of get like the
when the movie starts and where they're in Germania and

(55:56):
it's like sort of ominous. They kind of lead you
in and when they're when they are having the Barbarian
Horde fight on the Coliseum. I mean, it goes really hard,
it pumps you up. It pretty much you take the
music out, the fight is not half as epic as
it is. And then you got Now You Are Free,
which plays at the very end where when Maximus is dying.

(56:18):
I mean this that song, I mean theme, the way
they send off Maximus. It carries like so much weight
sadness but also hope in it. And that song is
actually the song that we used when we did the
funeral for my father. It was so that song is
like that was his favorite movie, his favorite theme. I mean,

(56:41):
and it works, came I. It's such a perfect send
off type of music. But I do I do agree
on Harrik Gregson Williams. I think he did try his best,
and he's kind of a Hanshimmer protege in a way.
He's and he uses you said, the exact same thing
that I wanted. He uses the Maximus theme when Lucius

(57:03):
pretty much becomes Maximus is he's got the new thing
and he goes into the familiar theme that we know,
and that is I think the best moment in that soundtrack.
Just like you said, but that kind of says that
that shouldn't be the best part. He should do some
of his own things, Like if if we talk about
John Williams Now and the Disney Star Wars movies, like

(57:26):
he uses the old and he brings in so much new.
I think the music is the best part of the
Disney Star Wars films. He still manages to capture the
essence of Star Wars, but still brings new themes, whereas
Harry Gregson Williams pretty much epic music, epic music, themes
of the old one, epic music, and there's not much

(57:47):
of a character there. Right, this is an easy one
for Gladiator two thousand.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
Yeah, thats exactly the point I was trying to make there.
I mean, it's not like that it's bad music. It's
good music. It is just honestly, it's kind of like
my entire complaint of the entire movie. It all feels
a little like retread, Like it's like a copy and paste,
and it's like the second generation is never as good
as the first generation. It's that like little old fade.
It's a little flat, but it still works. But all right, Maddie,

(58:15):
what do you think?

Speaker 1 (58:15):
Are you with us?

Speaker 2 (58:15):
Are you gonna sar.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
This hurts my very soul, my very being to have
to like this. This, this one struck so damn hard.
I have such a deep, deep love for Harry Greggs
and Williams. For everyone who doesn't know, Harry Greggs and
Williams was handpicked by Hideo Kajima to do the music

(58:38):
for the video game for the Metal Gate Solid series,
which is my all time favorite, not just video game
series but franchise. I like those The songs and the
score are such an integral part of those video games
that it's like this, This hurts, This really hurts for
me to do because there ain't many people that I
would put up against Hans zimmer And in any category,

(59:01):
but let alone this because I have on vinyl the
Gladiator soundtrack and like Jovi just added to it. Like
this music, the music from the original Gladiator just hits
you on a different level. It like it moves you
in a different kind of way. There's something about this
soundtrack and I was reading I was reading an interview
I can't remember with who it was with what it

(59:23):
was with another composer, but they said they use the
Gladiator score as as prep music that if you watch
the John Williams Dark you know that that's the music
that people sent you to be like, this is what
we're thinking. Can you do something in the vein of this?
And they're they're essentially sending this that this is why
the Plates of the Caribbean theme sounds so much like

(59:44):
Gladiators because they send the Gladiator soundtrack, they send you
the Gladiator score and say this is what we're thinking.
They're basically saying, hey, can you do one of the
greatest scores of all time by one of the greatest
composers of all time. It's never gonna get close. There's
like I can't even count on one hand the amount
of people that I would put up against against Hans

(01:00:06):
him when it comes to music. Maybe John Williams and
now Ludwig are probably the only two that I would set.
Maybe that might be and Michael Gino that there might
be the three that I say you, maybe, maybe you've
got a shot. But this is this to me, this
is an easy one for Gladiator. This is like not
even a question.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
It's kind of sad that I was hoping because I
wasn't expecting Harrok Gregson Williams to overdo what Hans Zimmer
did in the first one, but I was expecting a
bit more because if you think of Kingdom of Heaven,
I don't know if you remember the score from Kingdom
of Heaven. That's by Harry Gregson Williams, and that is
a really good score. It's original, it's like it stands out.

(01:00:50):
But in this one, it just there, just doesn't have
the factor. So harroak Grexton Williams has it in him,
but for this one he kind of didn't deliver, which
is a shame.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
I will be buried to the Metal Gets theme. That
is the song that we'll be playing as my body
descends into this earth. All right, there, there ain't go you.
He's Hans ER's the baby goat, like you can't. There's
no one else that could go up against him other
than himself, my friends.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
Enough, okay, best action or fist pop moments. I honestly
am still a little torn on this one. I wanna
let I wanna let Maddie go first for this one.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
That's a good one.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
This is the best part of It's good to be
the King, that to be like the host because I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
Let me. Let me just preface this by saying the
visuals of Gladiator Too's action scenes like the ocean flight
in the Coliseum infinitely better. I never had that feeling
of could this go wrong? I never had that feeling
of anxiety the Gladiator, like when he's fighting the the

(01:02:06):
what's his name, the Tigress of Raoul or whatever that
dude's name was, the tigers.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
I never, I never.

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
I never got that feeling of dread, of like, not
only is Maximus fighting a former gladiator, former champion of
the Coliseum, but he's also got a dodge being eaten
alive by tigers. And I don't real tigers, Like they
had a real tiger jump on the stuntman's back. It's
like an almost got mauled by an actual tiger shooting
this foot in that movie. I didn't it, Like I

(01:02:37):
get that this story is like a repeating cycle, and
you had Luci's kind of take up the mantle of
the general, the leader. But I didn't really have that fear.
I didn't have that fear for his life. Maybe in
like the ocean battle, if they'd had a moment where
he was like hanging off of the boat, like he
got if he got knocked off the boat and there

(01:02:58):
was like a shark nipping at his heel or something.
I would have felt that. But it's like I kind
of expected him to make it through to the end.
I didn't know that he was going to get past
the caucious as easy as he did, but I think
that he was going to get there, that there would
be like I think the trailer having a lot to
do with it seeing him an acacious face to face,
like he even does the moment where like he does

(01:03:20):
like the powerlifter, like with the chalk, just like lifting
off the ground, wipe hands, and I was just I
was like, be for beat, Like, Okay, I don't have
fear for Lucius. I know he's gonna he's gonna make
it through to acacious. But with Gladiator and with Maximus,
I didn't. I like, I didn't know even like when

(01:03:42):
I rewatched it because I didn't watched it in a
while before I watch it for Gladiator Too. But yeah,
I think the visuals of the action in Gladiator Too
is better, but the actual beat for beat action moments
I think are a lot better from from the rip.
I mean, you have the moment where he says from
the very opening battle where he says, Oh my comm

(01:04:03):
on on lea shell.

Speaker 6 (01:04:07):
Right goosebumps to his day from that opening battle. All right, look,
I'm gonna I'll give it all. I'll go and just
say I'm saying I am building right off what you're saying.
I think visually speaking to latter two days they twitter
for us, the effects have gotten really good overall.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
They do a lot of cool shots. There's a lot
of cool shots that are absolutely Water Battle is great,
the just the original, this the first battle in the
whole movie. I honestly think the first battle even looks
a little better than the first Glader battles, if I
find to be fair. But maybe it's because it's setting
the shows the visually, because like maybe it's the planes
at the water and the and the and the the

(01:04:45):
castle or whatever there the key or whatever it is.
I like that better than just fighting on the planes
or whatever. So vision I like that better. The Gladier
fights are both very good overall at the end of
the day, which this is action in fist pump moments,
and all comes down at fist pump and there's no
fist pump better than I Am Maximus. I mean, it's
it's there's no better than that, that speech that it's

(01:05:07):
that speech another movie that we're talking about here. That
speech is a probably one of the biggest pumps in
the history of mankind, Like I want.

Speaker 3 (01:05:16):
To run full in my opinion, that's the one.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
I don't know if I go that far, but it
is definitely up there. I I could definitely, definitely arguably
that way. I don't want to. I don't declare that.
I think it might be a feud or more for me,
but that is up there for sure, and it makes
me want to run through a wall. It makes me
want to go into the Gladider pitt male tiger uh myself.
So I can't. I can't any good conscience give this

(01:05:41):
to Gladder to any way, shape or form, because once again,
the ringing the recurring theme here is that the best
parts are Gladder To feel like they were already done
better by the Glader one, and the action sequences are good.
But it's not like the Gladder one action sequences are shitty,
So they're they're pretty good. So give me that speech

(01:06:03):
in that those moments versus rested Letter two. It's got
who let Gladiator one from there?

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
Yeah, they they really did try to up the game
for Gladator too, more intensity, more you know, speed, more
blood and limbs and guts, because it was really bloody.
I love the CGI battles as well, which is actually
interesting thing. The first battle when they're taking the African city,
all of the water is CGI. There was They shot

(01:06:32):
it in the desert, so it's actually kind of cool
that you like the visuals there because they pretty much
had nothing to work with there. When when we're comparing
the two battles, the first battle of Gladiator one and
Gladiator Gladiator two, in my opinion, the first battle is
again one of the greatest battle scenes ever, not because
there was so much threat because the Roman army pretty

(01:06:55):
much just fucking slices through. There's no shot for Germania,
but you see them might have roam like everyone has
a job and they do it to perfection. I mean
that is just I mean, the way Maximus commands the
troops everything, the respect is there. Maddie, you said that

(01:07:15):
you didn't have any you know, fear for Lucius when
he was in the battle scenes or in the Colosseum.
My favorite part of Gladiator two in the Colosseum was
with Acacius and it's the way Victor scene is when
he's in the battle, he's in the Colosseum, he has
to go in. You know, you're afraid because Petro Pascal
he fucking dies and things when he's awesome at and

(01:07:37):
he just he looks at the Praetorians, they're his guys.
He knows he has to fight him. He just goes
vey Victus fucking slices through like four guys in seconds
and then just keeps going. Eventually dies. But that moment
that was like I was going, fuck, yes, that was
That was almost as good as Gladiator one. But nothing

(01:07:59):
compares to Gladiator one. I mean the first battle, perfect
Barbarian horde. I mean the music, everything that happens, how
Maximus sort of gets up on the horse, he fucking
does the sword flip. He just takes everyone down. I
mean perfection, Diamond as one, I mean, fuck, it's so good.

(01:08:21):
When he comes to the final battle, I'd say Commodists
versus Maximus and Lucius versus Macrinus kind of in the
same vein. But I do think Comedist dies in a
more satisfying way. And it's that gurgle, that blood that
he's choking on. I mean that is I know that
is straight from class action, but it's such a satisfying

(01:08:44):
you know you kind of when you hate the villain,
you want him to die gurgling.

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
I do think Macrinus losing his hand with all those
rings on was pred.

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
Just like surprise that happened. That was a cool look
that he had. Yeah, I love the.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
Fact to do that was just like he had been
spent the whole time being a ship's little kind of
care manipulator. But like when he had to, he's like, okay,
I gotta take my sword. I'll fight this way too.
And of course he's not as good, but it still
seemed like it was a nice guy.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
It was pretty good. But he was actually too good
because I was like, kind of, okay, he's really almost
getting the best of Lucius.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
Well, Lucius is tired. He'd been, you know e been
dealing with a lot of stuff the entire time. It's
like basically like kylo Ren being shop with the crossbow.
He's about he's a battle worrying at this point, you know,
and Denzel has history. He's just you know, he's older,
he's a little little rusta. So I was okay with that.
Plus it's Denzel Washington, so fuck it. That's why I'm
going with it. But uh yeah, all right, guy, guess

(01:09:44):
what we have a winner. My map judgment was pretty accurate.
This is uh you mentioned before the we started how
we haven't had too many whoopings. Well this is a
whoopin by s by final score of thirteen to two.

(01:10:04):
You're winner, Gladiator two thousands.

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
To bring on the titty barring, we got to do
a new segment called the tity bar Now.

Speaker 2 (01:10:19):
Yeah, it was three to zero for every category. Ex
there are villains, and that we gave villains two to one.
Then Letterard two actually won the villain category two to one.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
But beyond that thirteen to two, I couldn't give anything
to Gladiator, and I was like, I didn't want to.
I didn't want to give it to Gladiator to just
because to give it right. So I was I was
completely honest with this one.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
Absolutely and as you should mix. And that's the where
we are. We do have that moment or sometimes there
is some time when we go through this, I'll be honest,
we go through class action like this.

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
We have these things.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
Sometimes we like to live because we like a closure
battle so sometimes we do go, you know, what, is
there something we can I can give it to it,
But the same and the end of time, I always
say at the end, it's not fair if I do
it that way. I gotta go with my I gotta
go with my honest, my honest opinion. And if it
gets flutter, he gets fluttered. That doesn't mean, by the way,
it's kind of like the rotten tomatoes arguments of rotten
argument as far as like a good versus a good

(01:11:09):
something because a ninety seven percent, it's because ninety seven
other people thought it was better than a three doesn't
mean that like Latier two is awful because it got
killed through two two. Latter two is a good film.
It's a fun film. It's a very adventure fun film.
It just happens to go up against something dense. I
call it really better and absolutely so.

Speaker 3 (01:11:26):
I tried to alien resurrection it with with the music,
just because I'm such a high Grex and William fan.
But I was just like, I can't do it. It's
too much of an uphill battle. And we we talked
about the fist pumps of Gladia two. Yeah, there are
some like when he picks up that when he picks

(01:11:48):
up Maximus's sword when he gets in the cave, like
there's some corns. But again, it just all goes back
to the categories, like the categories decide this, and yes,
we picked the categories, so we are kind of like
deciding the fate of these movies.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
But we are the commedists.

Speaker 3 (01:12:05):
We are the comedists. Literally, Glad too, gladiat do four
with strength and honor. You know, it did what it
set out to do. I don't know if I want
to see a third.

Speaker 1 (01:12:21):
The you're gonna I know's coming.

Speaker 3 (01:12:24):
I'm more happy that we get in Top Gun three
than we are Gladiator three.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
Yeah, I am Top three. We could see the return
of Rear Admiral Chester the Hammer.

Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
I mean, Gladiator three could have it Harris in it
as well. Actually, I did hear that Gladiator three is
supposed to be a prequel and a sequel, so I'm hoping.
I mean, it's a slippery slope. But they might do
Young Maximus in some capacity. That could work. That could work.
I know it's Han solo all over again, but I'll say.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
Solo work for me. I actually, lifetime, I'll give you.
I'll give you that, But I just I don't really
want to see young Max. I thought, Maximus, this is
like what I I mean, I'll always open go into
an open mind and everything else, but I kind of
feel like Ridley, we're good, or hand it off to
someone else.

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
One thing that Matty said was like the thumb thing,
like doing the thumbs up where his thumbs down is
kind of an art form in itself, Like do you
remember communists did like sort of went up and then
down like that was like a very Joseph Quinn. Joseph Quintin.
He was like he was going, just yeah, it was

(01:13:40):
just like such an aggressive thumbs down. I mean, it's so,
but there's still an.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
Art to it. There is an art, all right, guys.
That is gonna wrap us up for this episode of
my episode of a Class Action. It's good to be back, baby.
We will try to calm together. We haven't had any
official position on any other ones we're going to do.
We have a lot of things going on though, but
we'll try to get one done in January. I don't
know what you want what you're thinking there? Do you

(01:14:05):
guys have any ideas of what you want to do?
I'm throwning out there live and see what the people say.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
January is kind of a graveyard for new movies. So
we could do something just you know, do.

Speaker 3 (01:14:16):
We do the one that I suggested that we put
the two best friends against each other?

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
Which one was it?

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
Cal versus Patio?

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
Oh? Yeah, that's the work.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
That could work. That could work.

Speaker 1 (01:14:27):
Well. The Lord of the Rings wore up there. We're
hearing is in cinemas right now, so there's some connective tissue.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
I just saw that last night myself. Good. It's good,
it was good fun. All right, we'll do that. I
want to lead up to something. I'm going to pitch
something on air. Maybe it'll be one of the most
epic ones we've ever done. I don't even know if
we could pull it off. It'd be a long episode.
I'm not gonna lie. Let's do Superman nineteen seventy eight

(01:14:54):
versus Superman Returns, versus Man of Steel, versus Superman leg
I say all the first films in the Superman and
Sagas four Way Bottle just a thought, I don't just
a thought. We'll get to May. We'll talk about it more.

(01:15:14):
If you want it. I think we can do it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
Yeah, yeah, Tim game all right, all right.

Speaker 3 (01:15:23):
Maddie, Yeah, let's do it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:29):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
Sounds good, my friend. I know it's serious. Sonic three
did to come out to this December. We could do
something in January else about Sonic potentially, but we'll find out.
All right. That'll do it for us this week, folks.
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