The Accountant (2016) vs The Accountant 2 (2025)

With the recent release of the Accountant 2, the Class Action boys decided to put the 2 films up against each other in a battle to the death!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:38):
God, that gets me pumped up. Everybody, It's me, It's me,
It's p L D.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
And I'm Richard Rick Jarviy.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
And I'm Madie Ganna And this is class Action.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
The classiest movie show on the interwebs.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
I just want to pause. I'm very proud of us.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
I'm very proud of ra ratic effect.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
Why we got it right. I didn't f it up.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
We actually did it and the time.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
But no, we were no, we were.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
We were a little aft. I was a little off,
probably more me than anything else. I kind of like,
forget what we're doing at this point because it's so long. Yeah,
I'm an old.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
Man years old.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
You will be you will forget one thousand thousand percent
and welcome back to class Action Lives. This is how
we do this show now. We do it live on
a monthly basis when we have something good to talk about,
and we have something good to talk about this week.
We all were pretty much fans of the Accountants. I
don't know about you guys, but I came through it

(01:36):
through action movie Anato me. I hadn't seen it before
Action Moving out of Me, the old show Ben Baby
Andrew Guy, which is where a spiritual kind of son
of guests, grandson, maybe second cousin, who knows. We're in
that lineage somewhere. We watched that and that's where I
got into it. I loved the movie so much, and
then all of a sudden, what is nine years later
we finally got a sequel to it, The Accountant too.

(01:57):
So we came out We're like, you know what, this
is perfect for us. This is our wheelhouse. This is
what we're gonna do.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
We're gonna do the.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
Accountant versus the Accountant to Richard R. Jarvey, how are
you feeling? I know you were, You're making your trips.
You had a you took a wonderful soccer sorry football game,
and how you doing, my friend?

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah, no, I'm doing well. Bit a bit tired of
all the traveling, even more tired of all the losing
that menu is doing, but overall doing good. Yeah, Accountants
versus the account do. We were spitballing the idea of
maybe doing the Accountant two versus the Amateur, right, but

(02:37):
we kind of scraped that, so we're just going we
haven't really done well. We have done some sequels well
original versus sequel, but not that many.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
Gun versus to gun Maverick. Was it.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah, that was the most famous one I think we did.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
Yeah, it's it's sometimes tough to do because obviously there's
a lot of overlaps. You get like the same similar cast.
Sometimes it's the same in this case, the same director.
It's like a lot of different similarity. So it makes
the kind of hard. But I will say that when
we watched this movie, these move especial when I watch
Accountant too, I was like, Oh, this actually does is
a good matchup in a way because there's a lot
of There aren't a lot of differences in the films.

(03:12):
It's a good proper sequel, but there are a lot
of differences as well. And I want to say real quick,
we had before we were before we went live, we
were having a conversation and you said something about mad
you being one spot away from relegation, and I got
to say, thanks to Ted Lasso, I know what you're
talking about.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
Let's me tell you.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
If so, I know that when relegation at the end
of the season, if you're if you're at a certain level,
you go get kicked out of the league you're in
and go down to a lower league, which is probably
called the championship or is it the Champions League? A
championship getting promoted to the Champions League, which is the
same basic name.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
Don't it's the Premier League, the Premier League. Best one.
Championship is the shittier one. Least one is no just
league one? Me two, that's League one. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It doesn't make sense, makes no, it makes.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
Zero, Like America g like American football, where you use
your feet for all of thirty seconds of the entire
sixteen hour game. It makes no sense.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
That's fair, that's fair. We all make those sense. That's
all it is, Maddie. I'll get enough of the football club.
How are you doing, my friend, I'm doing fantastic.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
Javi was over here, didn't even joby, didn't tell me
he was coming to the country or anything. But that's fine.
I could. I can look past it because where I
was last night and I sent pod the picture in
your e bay. Wasn't too happy.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
I no, I was not happy. I didn't actually upload
if you wanted to upload.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
No, no, no, no, no, no, it's fine. I was at
the BFI in London, in the same room as the
Great Tom Tomothy Cruise, Tom.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Kat Mapither Cruise. His middle name is mapother.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
Tom Kat has nick Offerman calls them. If you look
at her recent interview, Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
I completely forgot that he was going to be in
the Final Reckoning until I saw the thing come up
for that interview and I was just like, oh ship, Yeah,
he's in the trailer.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
Nika was speaking of Ted Lasso. You also have Hannah
Wattingham and uh, yeah, that was going to be in that.
And if you're a Severance fan, uh, the guy from
Severn I can't remember his name now isn't as well?
The milk check or whatever is actually in Top Gun
as well, if you're a Severance fan. A lot of
people in this in this film. The big question is
is Rebecca Ferguson in this film? I know she's dead.

(05:41):
I know she's dead, but I don't care.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
I want tom As and you know she Rebecca Ferguson.
If anyone never misses a good She's the party. So
I'm gonna go ahead and say nah that.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
And I also want to know is Jeremy Runners safe?
Is he finally making his return?

Speaker 3 (06:02):
Was Billy this well, this is the whole point Justice
for Billy, But with with gotting into m I d
classified territory here, Peodi, why do you tell the people
what we're doing here today?

Speaker 1 (06:18):
I will tell us what you're doing here today. We
are doing the Accountants Versus Accountant two. If you've never
seen our show, Welcome to Class Action Live. What we
do is we take two either movies, directors, actors, composers, franchises, characters.
We put them up together each other and a battle
to the death with five custom made categories, and we

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go through. We discuss it, we debate it, we go through.
At the end we figure out who is standing tall,
who is going to be victorious, and who is going
to be relegated to a person.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Well, you tried.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
I tried.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
I tried to.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
Didn't really quiet work out. I try to make it work.
We have five customer categories. This week we're going to
have better story, better action, better heroes, better villains, and
better tone. Might be more almost might be the most
complicated debate.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
You might say, it's a it's a game of tones,
game of tones.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
I like that. I do like that. But first time,
before we do that, we have a couple of little
mini games we like to play. The first one we
call a recast round or better known as what would
that Harris play?

Speaker 3 (07:26):
I was gonna say, when do we name it that?

Speaker 2 (07:28):
Yeah? Because kind of our missing messing with our minds?
Are we we casting the movie? And I don't know,
it's just that Harris, it's the best bit of the show.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
Me and job is just looked at each other, like,
what the what recast brown? Whenever do we call it that?

Speaker 1 (07:42):
Obviously you never look at the show notes because actually
the show notes document actually has a recast round in
there renamed it. I think I might have renamed it
when we were doing that little batch when we had
it was more than one of Harris. We had the
wheel and everything else, which you might get back to
it something.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
But why we don't read your notes though? Right? Because
your fucking answer is the.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
Excuse if you open the Google doc right now or
the Google no, because I have a separate one. I
have the class action notes and I have a second
copy which says called PLD version. Don't look Jarbi, you bastard.
That was a name of the document.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Are you used to always leave your notes in there?

Speaker 3 (08:18):
I didn't.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
I didn't this time. So anyway, let's get to our
favorite game. What would it Harris play And I'm gonna
let you guys go first. Obviously, this is a game
where we replace a character in either film. You could
do both films, depending on what you want to do.
Because it is a franchise. We could just make it
one character that's in both films. I'm okay with that,
or we can introduce a new character at Harrison play.

(08:41):
And because Harrison make any film better no matter what
he's in. But ed Harrison as a show girl, it
would be a better film. It does not matter. Let's
go first, Maddie. I'm gonna let you go first with this.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
One, I think because I've done it. I've puted a
Javi on this one, and I haven't. Actually, yeah, I
haven't prepared anyone.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
I did prepare, so okay.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
I mean it's gonna be a bad one for Charviia though,
usually because he's a better way.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
I am going to, Oh, you know what, I'm gonna pot.
I'm sorry to have to do this for you because
I know you love this actor. I'm gonna swap out
Ed Harris with J. K. Simmons the Directory of the Treasury,
and I'm going to have it so General Hummel has

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been promoted to Director of the Treasury.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
I love it. I love it. So he's gotta we
gotta make it so he well, first of all, he
gotta make it so he doesn't die. Change.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
So before we get into that, just a spoiler warning
for anyone who hasn't seen the first or the second one,
because we're going to be spoiling both movies because you
were about to say, I just wanted to put that
out there.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
I'll actually even in the it's actually really this particular
spoiler is actually revealed in the trailer itself.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
J K.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
Simmons fortunately does not make it through the first like
ten minutes of the of the movie, the second movie, unfortunately,
So we would change that that Harris was the role
because he wanted Harrison the entire time, right, not maybe
not yeah, you son of a bitch A bit.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
All right?

Speaker 1 (10:15):
No, but no, but's that's a good choice in solid
choice is something I definitely considered as well right off
that because he makes it makes sense. He's just a
gruffing story. He's pretty rough on his supportiness, but he's
also got that kind of I don't want to say
heart of goal, but his heart's in the right place.
You know, I mean kind of thing, and he would
have made he would have done a very well good
job with the comment, especially the harder acting they did
in the first one. The end of the first one,

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he had that moment where you figure out find out
who he is, what he didn't pass, and why he's
kind of making.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
Up for it.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
I think could have been really cool. So, yeah, it's
a great choice. I can't go I can't knock that
one at all. Jarvor, what about you?

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yeah, I was thinking about the JK role as well,
and what made me decide against it's the fact that
even in the first movie, like Kench remember ray King, Yeah,
Ray King, he kind of I don't want to say
that he's he's definitely not a loser, but he gets
to that job, that like position through pretty much like

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a hint that he didn't find out himself or so
he pretty much was like put onto that pedestal and
he keeps saying like I didn't deserve it, I didn't
earn it. And he also has that quality of kind
of so JK. Simmons can be very authoritarian, but he
also has that kind of lovable, bare kind of thing
about him. I can't explain it. It's like a cute

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factor to him, like you kind of want to when
he dies, you really feel bad for him because he
kind of has that I don't know, Teddy Bear vipe
to him, whereas Ed Harris doesn't really have that side.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
He's he can definitely play the hard ass role, but
I don't really this guy's never seen that for him
that way, he's not the kind like I don't want
to go and give him a hug. I just want to,
you know, I wanted to kick ass.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
This guy's never seen milk money, milk money. It's it's
Ed Harrison in a comic rule. Actually that's a comedy,
romantic comedy with Melanie Griffith. He's a sweetheart. It's it's
not a great movie, lie, but it's just sweetheart.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
You know. Every time we talked about something that I
say Harris can do, he's like, he's got this weird
movie that no one's ever heard of? What about in
that one?

Speaker 3 (12:22):
Funny enough, every time Pod pulls out and obscure Eda
Harris movie, the description of the movie always ends with,
but it's not a great movie.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
It's got a lot of Behoven movie. When I when
we found out that Ed Harris played Beehoven, he ended
that with, that's not a great movie, it's the best.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
That's actually a good mood though. That's not the best movie.
That's a good movie. Uh yes, step Mom, Kelly, Kelly
chap by the way, thanks to nice to see you
in there, step Bobby. He's pretty cudly in that, I think.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Anyway. Anyway, my my pick is the first movie. It's
kind of obvious, but I would have him as the father,
the thought who goes really hard on raising both the brothers.
Ed Harris definitely has that quality about him, whereas in
the second movie he's kind of missing, right, we can't
have Ed Harris in the second one. On this We

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put him in post credits. He's the brother of their father,
and we kind of ended MCU style because his brother
comes back and there were twins. There were twin brothers
and their uncle is still alive and he comes back,
and the third movie.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
Is with the uncle.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
I do like what you're saying there. I do like
you're saying.

Speaker 3 (13:35):
Ed Harris is like the autistic uncle.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
That's where it came from. You know what honestly, that
was my choice as well. So I'll come up with
a third one on the spot so we can have
a little bit of conversation.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
I like that.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
That was my pick as well. I want to have
I want to have the father more involved. That's why
I was going to have the father somehow is gonna
be more involved, just to just boost up that character role.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
Really, there really is not many choices for Ed Harris here.
They are kind of the two obvious choices.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
His right thing, I'm the father, right, I'm gonna go
with I'm gonna go in the first film, He's gonna
be John Letga's character. Oh yeah, Mark Blackburn at this point.
But I'm gonna switch his role just a smidge. I'm
gonna make it a little more shall I say, aggressive,
a little more like a hard ass background kind of
thing and teams of He's got that. There's something about

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it where you can see that he'd be manipulative enough.
He could pull off that manipulation role where he basically
left over his best friend in order to get like
what he thought was right. It has that mean John
Let's go has that thing like he's doing the right
thing in his mind. He really think he's doing it's
not doing it for greed, really agreed. It's like he's
got to say that. He's like he's saving humanity. He's
doing all this tough. He's got an idea that half
of his mind he's doing the right thing, much like

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one general Humble. Now, how we make it to the
second film? I'm not sure because I'm doing this off
the top of my head, but we'll get there somehow.
I'll get back to you.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
On that hero familiar brother and I did go.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
There you go, So that's what I'll go with, sure enough. Yeah, No,
but that's right. It's it's true though he's not especially
at his age. I mean, if it was the younger
at Harris, I could easily put him in one of
the account rules, I mean, easily put him in this
Ben Out or potentially John Birthall. But I think that
this actually works better for that role for me at least.
So all right, let's move on. We have a game

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we like to play that sometimes we play, sometimes we don't.
Sometimes we wing, and that's gonna be one of those days. Today.
It's called the Public Defender. Jarvey, do you want to
discuss the public Defender?

Speaker 2 (15:25):
What it is what we're doing always. That's my favorite
part of the show. It is explaining what the public
defender is. Well, that is a segment where one of
us or sometimes a listener or a viewer gives us
a category or a topic, so we come up with
top three or top five list on the spot. Why
is it called the public defender. Well, usually in movies,

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public defenders are overworked, underprepared. They come in they kind
of just have to do their thing without knowing the brief,
not knowing their clients, and not knowing the topic very well. Actually,
in reality, public defenders way more what's the word able,
capable than we kind of explained it here on the show.

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We never know we might need a public defender.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
It's a bit, guy, it's a bit.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
But in for for this segment, the public defender is
what we're calling.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
All right, my public defender question that I came out
before this show, I actually have two one A which
one of us is going to need a public defender
first out of the three of.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
Us probably my voting My vote is mat Okay, that
one out of the way, all right, then the real
statue of limitations I can't discuss why, but.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
I cannot discuss any actions of the IMF without first
prior consent from the Secretary.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
I w.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Anyway, real public defender today is this top three movie
character brothers.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
Easy Winter. All right, Maddie, you're ready on three? Well
you say what the first one is?

Speaker 1 (17:06):
What all three of us said, Yeah, one, one, two, two,
three characters not not movie people.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's why I said call them brothers.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
Oh, Kyle, okay, I said Cohen brothers.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
I just said the name of the movie.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
But we thought the same thing, the same all full
of the same thing. It's the calm brothers from you
know what.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
I'm gonna speak this real quick. Besides Warrior, the top
three brother movies duos. You do that now, because I
have a couple other ones that I came up with
the the top of my head that I would like
to throw out there, but I don't want to take
any away from you as well.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Have to be blood related or just.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
Well yes, I think blood related. It could be step brothers,
step brother We got step brother, step brother, step brothers.
Real they said that. I'm like, damn, I just gave
them one the knife ship.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
There's definitely more.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
Yeah, raised together fore and Foreign Loki Loki.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
Yeah, I'm blankly spin a long day.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
The solid choice that was one of mine. That's a
solid choice.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
I like how they have their back and forth. Obviously
you got the one. That's probably still my favorite villain
of the MCU. Honestly, I know some people will think
over him, and I get that, but for me, it's
still Loki, always will be.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
But I like that that's their whole great relationship back
and forth as it develops. We're watching the mc U
on Patreon, me and PJ for two lated geeks on
film and we are just we just finished watching the
first Avenders movie, so we've had a great time rediscovering
Loki and seeing Loki in his prime at that point.
What a great Tom Wilson added so much to this
the mc it's not even funny. Chris ms it's great too,

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But I mean I would give idea of the credit
to Tom Midlson. First, Maddie, you gotta one one I
throw out there.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
Yeah, Jake, yeah, you've att it this once for you.
I can't remember the name of the brothers, but Noman
rate us and Showan Patrick Flannery.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
All right, that's a choice. Uh, sorry, Jake, No, that's
a good so bad. It's not a bad one. I
don't love that movie, but it's definitely an easy They're
good characters. They're fun characters for sure. I'm gonna throw
out there one my favorite one that was before before Warrior,
my favorite brother duo is I'm gonna date myself for
I'm definitely aging myself here a little bit.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
It's one hundred and six miles Chicago. It's one hundred
and six miles to Chicago. Got half packed, half tag gas,
full pack of cigarettes, it's dark out, we're wearing sunglasses.
Hit it, Jake and Nel would Blues the Blues Brothers.
Of course, that's car chase scene in history, as far

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as I'm concerned.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
Any other, now that I think of it, I don't
think I've ever watched The Blues Brothers from start to finish. Well,
it's one of those movies when you're just you're just
seen bits and pieces of it, But I don't think
i've ever watched it.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
I think the to put up, we're gonna have to
do a class action with Blues Brothers involved, just to
make sure you watch it. That's what I'm gonna do.
I'm not gonna do Blues Brothers, buse Brothers two thousands,
because that would be a whipping like we've never had
before on the show. What the second one is not good?

Speaker 3 (20:14):
Vincent and Julius from Twins.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
Good one. That's a good choice. That's a good choice.
I like that one.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
What are they going to do with that? Wasn't they
gonna be a trip with Eddie Murphy?

Speaker 1 (20:25):
That was in development for a while and then it
was out of development and I think it brought back
with oh god, what's his name? Tracy Morgan was going
to be at one point too. Potentially, I think it's
still like being bandied about, but I don't know if
it's ever quite gotten it at all. So I don't know.
I don't know we're getting there. Uh the other ones
you want.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
To throw out there, I know they're not brothers, but
I just want to say Aragarn and Borrowmere. But I
know they're not brothers, but it just feels like such
a brother Lee.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
We're doing that. Lee and Tucker from Rush Out, we
aren't doing that.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
We are doing that. Those are due. It was a
just regularly just kind of on your minds of the
things you could go Borimir and Faramir if.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
You want to, I know, But technically, could you do
the entire the teenage mutant ninjatoos?

Speaker 1 (21:10):
I would pick them specific duos. I take your specific
favorite relationship there Leo and Raff Raff and Mike, Mikey
and but I don't know, all right, I'll let you
go with it though for now.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
Last one I'll throw out there, just out of the
I don't know, like whatever, Timmy and Tommy Timmins from
sand Loot. Mmmm, that's a little fun one. That's a
little fun one for me.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
I actually threw out there. I looked like, go to
a list quickly. I didn't. I would never have thought
of this, but I did like the movie Mitch Weaver
and Sam makenna Is in in Dirty Work. Secretly Brother
like that one too. I love Donald Don's a great one. Uh,
just like never saw Dirty Work. Oh God, you guys,
summer children, you sweet summer children. How about from dust

(22:02):
Till dun for Rich you get no, yeah, yeah? Or
Sonny and Michael corolel from the Godfather.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
Oh fuck? How do we forget that?

Speaker 1 (22:14):
The couple different ones?

Speaker 3 (22:15):
How the fuck did we forget that?

Speaker 1 (22:17):
I don't know what's good question. That's a good question.
Uh yeah, I'll do it. I think we got a
good good a little stretch out of that one, for sure. Uh.
Thank that was Public Defender. If anybody has any Public
Defender thoughts ideas, you can put them in a chat
if you want, or maybe we'll answer at the end.
But let's now move on to the meat of the story. Here,

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the meat of our episode. This is the trial, the
trial where we put these two films up against each other.
Got our five customery made categories, as we said, The
Accountant twenty sixteen as directed by Warrior Zone Gavin O'Connor,
and The Accountant two twenty five sequel as directed by
Warrior Zone Gavin O'Connor, the first and installment the first

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category and dive into that story. Does he account have
the better story? You count to have a better story,
And Jarvon, you want to go first on this one?

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Yeah, I can go first on this one. This was
probably probably the easiest category for me because everything else
is kind of a toss up. But in this one,
I'm going to go with the first account I think
the first movie has a tighter story and the setup.
I love the origin story, we learn about Christian, well
learn about his brother, at which point we don't know

(23:37):
that Braxton is his brother. I love the whole relationship
with the what's it called the School of the People
with aut toname where it's coming from, how that is
kind of woven into the story. I love the twist
that we find out that he's his brother. And I

(23:57):
really like the slow build up of the first movie
and there's not a lot of action any of The
second one is kind of similar, but it is more
consistent the story. I don't know it. It feels like
a tighter, more simplistic story. I do enjoy the second one.

(24:18):
I I love how they further the story of the
brothers and everything that happens there. But the first one
is just, I don't know, tighter. It works, It's it's
a more consistent story.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
I don't agree with.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
I'll actually continue. Simplistic is actually a good word. Simplistic
but not like but that's not I could sometimes being
a negative thing, but I don't think it's negative in
this case at all. I would think that Actually, I
think that too is a little over complicated. At times.
I find myself like kind of like going wait.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
So where did that go?

Speaker 2 (24:46):
Okays a mother of that, she's still a lot.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
I was like, and how did they get here? Like
there's some certain things that's kind of like. It just
it took me out of the movie a little bit
just to kind of like catch up and like maybe
I'm dumb. I don't know, I could be dumb, Like
I don't Okay, I got there in the end, So
it wasn't like it was too overly compislicated in. It
definitely didn't ruin the experience for me. But I agree
that one kind of had a more focused feel how

(25:10):
to feel like it story one a story I want
to tell from A to B. It's kind of thing
where the accounting two feels like it didn't necessarily have
to be made. They just wanted to revisit these characters
and throw them together in a situation, and they wanted
to like expand on the brothers side brotherhood side of things,

(25:30):
which is worth I'm not saying it's not a worthy
sequel at all, but it felt like it's it is
a little less. It's more about the feeling they're going
for rather than the actual story itself. It's more about
the vibe that are going for not the story itself.
First one definitely got a slow burn feel to it,
but it's a deliberate feel to it, a deliberate whereas
two has some slow moments, but it kind of like
it's more like we're just slowing down to catch some

(25:51):
vibes and then we're gonna kind of go back into it.
This one. Other one. First one focused direction. This is
where this stories we're late. We're like like I and
layers like Shrek, you should say, we're just kind of
taking out these layers bit by bit or like everything
served a purpose for the actual story itself. Yeah, that's wrong.
I'm going to go with it with one as well.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
And the first one actually had Christian being an accountant.
He was doing the numbers and everything. In the second one,
it's more just an action one, which is totally fine,
but I kind of love the balance of Christian being
very intelligent than just numbers secondary.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
It made far more unique I think in a way. Yeah, yeah,
what about you, Manna, you agree with us, you're going
on accounting.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
To I'm I was gonna go against you, guys. I
feel like my original stance was going to be what's
greater than the origin story. Is the story that is
developed from the origin story. But then thinking about it, yeah,
so one is a lot more streamlined than the bit
about him back to you doing the account of work.
Actually like kind of cement at that point, because I

(26:57):
remember when I first saw the account and when the
account of came out, how everyone was like, this is
a really like fresh, unique thing that they're doing. This
isn't just another action movie. This is a different kind
of protagonist. And yeah, I always I remember vividly going
back to the scene with the farmer and his wife,

(27:18):
and you have this dude who is essentially like he's
a criminal. Essentially he's helping the mob and all these
gangs with their account work. But yeah, he's there with
just this farmer and his wife like, oh, you make
these beads in your in your dining room, so you
are you're going out and buying with the with the
company truck right right. Yeah, They're just like, oh, there

(27:41):
is there is some good in this dude he does
you know, he's not just you know, a mob account
that kills people on the side. He is actually a
good dude.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
These guys on quote of honor. Absolutely, he might like
visit with the bad guys. But at the same time,
like it's not about he's just doing his that's it's
literally just doing your job. Like he just has no
I guess it doesn't because he has his own personal
code and he just doesn't let that got to like
interfere with his work. He can kind of compartmentalize. I

(28:10):
love the fact what you mentioned the beads thing in
that part because that made me smile too. But the
best part about that is because of the characters, he's
someone with autism. He's a person with autism as they
call him now, uh they he actually sits there and
it's not that win win part, Like that's what it
would happen. In any other movement like that you would
have seen they would been kind of like a right,

(28:30):
but he doesn't do it the way he does it.
It's still like completely dislike, so you do this, so
you do this, Okay, this is what we're doing, and
like it's up to them to kind of figure it out.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
And when they didn't, it was like, tell me, you
do this. I feel him getting annoyed at it.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
Help me to help you, help me, help me to
help you.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
I love that, all right, so go ahead.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Sorry, Yeah, the fact that he has a code about
things that just remembered a scene where he's in the
first one and he when he's I think he's aiming
the gun at Great King and he's like, asked him,
are you a good father? He's like, I fucked everything
else up, but I'm a good father. And then it's
like everything about his father good guy, bad guy. This

(29:17):
is the thing that he.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
Values that he's and that's such a weird thing because
it's not like right away you don't quite get what
he's doing there, and it's not anything any other other
character really has done before. It's kind of like you're
asking him straight out, are you a good father? And
the fact that he's like, I'm not gonna I'm not
gonna lie about it. I fuck up everything else, but
I am a good father. And he's like I'm gonna
believe you. Okay. Then it's like you can compartmentalize like

(29:39):
I can compartmentalize in a way. It's just completely different
kind of aspects to it. You know, I love that though.
I do love that. So all right, anybody else want
to last words on that? Okay, that was done. We're
gonna move on to category and number two. Here we
have better action beats, better action beats. Maddie, you're you're
your most action guy. You're they actually kick our asses.

(30:02):
Both of this together at the same time. Probably so
that talks about action.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
Well, it's like we said in the earlier on like
there's not a lot of action in the first one.
It's more, you know, a more of a drama than
it is an action movie, which is why they counted
too is getting my vote, because holy shit, the action
in the Counter two is awesome. Everything from Braxton throwing

(30:27):
the dude out of the window in the in the
bar to the scene at the shootout scene at the end,
which is fucking awesome because you know, for two brothers
that are so like different and so apart from each
other all the time, they are like a dialed in
unit throughout the entire time. You have like Christians like

(30:50):
tapping him on the back whenever he's behind him, like
they are so dialed in, and you have Christians like
what's the plan, what's the plant? And it's like that
dude some of those scenes, and then you have the
part where Braxton gets shot and then he's about to
shoot the guy and then Christian comes back in the
van and just runs him over and.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
He's just like get in. I was just like, fuck, yeah, yeah,
he's funny. I actually went back and forth from this
one a lot because I do know you're right. Sophomore
is definitely a lot more action. I did like one's
action when they had it. I really like the scene
at the farmers, the whole on the when the attack
him at the greatest scene with the truck and everything else,

(31:31):
and then he gets to see the get to see
its eyes, get here to the farmer's eyes, like going,
holy shit, who is this guy? This guy's my accountant,
What the hell is he doing? Guy? Like, I mean
already kind of got that he saw him shooting, but
like this is like a really big moment. He had
the whole trek trick. He's like fighting to the truck
sequence everything else. He's helping him out throughout protecting the
farmers or his you know, his clients. But kind of
sort of if he has friends and there's friends, I

(31:52):
guess what if he has friends, I don't know, but
that was those were there was highly some great moments
and the shootout at the end, especially the great chemistry
between Ben and John Bernthall there at the end, because
that was what was really cool about those characters, so
much so that they made a sequel, Like in fact
that that sequence, that action sequence, was part of the
reasons why they decided to make the sequel, although most

(32:12):
of that was also the best parts of that were
the conversations they were having. So it's kind of like that,
what's the better action beats now two? I would say
the action is much more fast and furious. No, not
like the movies, but you know, furious and fast, I'll say, so,
I don't want to confuse the movies there. I will
say that I almost got lost on the action at
some points, Like so the way it was shot, I

(32:33):
almost prefer the way the action was shot in the
first one.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
You know, it's good because you're like, what the fuck
is going on?

Speaker 1 (32:38):
Right, and it's too chaotical, But sometimes I almost wonder
if I like the first one better to that, although
what tips of scales for me actually was a small
action moment that maybe just go okay, like two too better,
and that was when they were interrogating the guy at
the auto shot or the the delivery. I really I
forgard the movie. I all got to see us once
and I can get a chance to rewatch through up.

(32:58):
They're going him and and the her name, what's her name?

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Medina?

Speaker 1 (33:04):
Medina? Think yes her? Christian and Medina are going to
visit this guy who's cooking books in the list one
of the first parts of the paths on the steps
on the path rather and he's like that. She tries
to try get him and he denies that. He denies that.
She's about ready to leave and he just like goes
to town him really quickly, and she's like, what.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
Are you doing?

Speaker 3 (33:21):
What are you doing? And he's just like, you're embezzling money?

Speaker 2 (33:23):
Where?

Speaker 3 (33:24):
Wrong?

Speaker 1 (33:24):
Money? Where from? What's his I asked the question, I'm
not a federal legion. That's so fun, it's so good.
It's just a it's set the tone of the film,
which we'll talk about later on. But it was so
great and the small action really kicked ass. And it's
one of the things. It's a big fist pub moment, like, yeah,
beat this asshole down kind of thing. So so I'm
gonna go with two as well.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
And it's not really an action moment, it's it involves
action because he's walking around with a gun. But the
scene of Braxton walking around the hotel room while he's
on the phone to the one with the dog, just
like in his box, what's hold him the gun? Awesome?

Speaker 1 (33:58):
That's good too, that's good.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
Is up to you?

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Yeah, we're we're on the same track. I also think
the first one has action, like the first one uses
action better and does it so scarcely. But still we're
talking about the action scenes themselves. And I'd say, even
just because of the finalitey, I would give it to

(34:21):
the second one. I do love. I can't remember what
the one of the villains is named Na's on A's
n as the girl who's you know, fucking everyone up
throughout most of the movie. Her scenes are amazing. When
it's hand to hand combat, it looks really cool. I

(34:43):
just remember the first one. In the first one, the
scene where actually where Medina is going through the audio
of how Christian at the beginning of the like kind
of and the way and it's not an action moment.
It actually he's killing dudes, but the way they get
to his limerick, right, like you can just feel him

(35:04):
going through those guys just saying the limerick to himself.
I know it's not an action moment per se, but
he kind of adds to the action. Still love that, sorry,
go ahead. I love that.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
The thing he's doing is Solomon Grundy, which is actually
a lot of a big Batman villain kind of thing,
and that happens. It's said in the Batman College all
the time, and it's funny that Ben Affleck is using
the Batman. Oh yeah, I'm not this is the thing
I noticed touch there intentional or not a kid, I
don't know, but it worked out way.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
I could see it intentional. But yeah, but the final
the final showdown in the Accountant Too, is just it's
I don't I don't think I agree that it's too much,
too chaotic, because I think the trailer set it up
that way and everything, because you can't fuck up in
the big action scene like that. Just give a hail
of bullets to give explosions, but there's just a motion

(35:57):
behind it. The same thing that Mattie said big fistball
moment is when he just comes in with his truck.
It's like you kind of see it coming. Yeah, but
just like fuck, it's executed so well and it works
and it delivers.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
I don't want to clarify that. I don't mean like
it's not that the emotional stakes are absolutely there, and
I don't think it ever got off the rails. I'm
saying it just kind of stroud that line from a
little bit worries like it just the way, just the
way it was shot was very chaotic as far as
like I found myself like glazing over a little bit
so and so much was happening so quickly in the
way it was, just the way it was like moving
and that might have been me might have been just
like the way I was. I watched the movie that
day kind of been tired new note I was saying,

(36:32):
like a general like because it does have emotional stakes absolutely,
I just sometimes sometimes I mean, like I said, I
gave the victory too turns off right there with you guys.
I do like the specifically again, I guess you could
say more focused action and one that's more just kind
of deliberate. But that's as smiles me. Very at this
point at the end of the day, I still give
it too. So Maddie, you're gonna say something as well.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
We've got to shout out the kids as well. That
scene where they're all on the computer and they're trying
to just get an angle of this woman's face, like
the competition, and yeah, oh that was the best part
about it, the fact that all the kids were like
competing against each other to like try and get Like
everyone had their assigned roles, but it was like a
competition the whole way through. Just to get an angle

(37:12):
of a woman's face through a selfie that someone took,
they tracked down through a date, through many databases and
all this. I don't even want to attempt to go
through how they did it, but like finding the certain
angle that the selfie was taken at on the right
street in La to like figure out who the woman

(37:32):
was because she was intentionally hiding her face from the
security cameras. I was like, that's fucking cool. That's like
this era's version of computer enhanced.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
Right is going through all that and a whole sequence
when she's like telling tell her to stop, tell her
to stop. They can't do this the whole the pard
of the woman's cell phone, they'reaking into her computer and
all that stuff. Yeah, oh, though it's kind of I
will say that was one like native thing I had
about the film, it's kind of not negative is a
weird thing. But Medina was like so pissed off about

(38:03):
that was more easily letting go of John Burnhal's like
killings breed away, like you got upset about that, but
like it was like she was like also an overly
upset about this particular Like I'm kind of like everything's
gone down so far. This is what you're kind of like,
throw your your line out.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
I mean, because you in one instance, you're using kids
to do something that's technically illegal. Well, there's definitely illegal.
And the other one, John Bunhal is a a dick.
It'd be a contract killer.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
Fair enough. I guess it's a little observation I had.
But all right, anything else anybody wants to actually should
move on to our next category.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
It's two better heroes better heroes.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
I'll start with this one, although it's kind of hard
I had to label out my heroes in this one
versus the next one, like obviously the heroes from one.
I'm gonna say our Christian Wolf. Technically, Dana commings the
Ana Kendrick character, though she's not really involved a lot
of the action per se. As far as the hero
who opening as go, Medina is a hero, yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
JK.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
Simmons is more antagonistic for all hero so and then
of course there is Justine woman in the share as
you were it t person or the one with offic
who helps Christian actually has put JK. Simmons where he is,
like we mentioned before. So that's the heroes of this one.

(39:26):
I can't count John bern Well, he's actually probably more
on the villains list.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
Yeah, in the first one.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
Then you go to two, it's Christian. I would put
Braxton on the side of the heroes this time.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
Obviously.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
I think JK. Simmons for the ten Man season, the movie,
Medina again, and then again just Teine. So it's kind
of like a similar set of characters at which one
is better? That's the question mark I had. I would say,
this is a very difficult choice, and I'm gonna talk.
I actually got talking myself through it to get to
the answer because I'm not right now like leaning one way,

(40:01):
but I don't know if I have to depending on
what I say, I might convince myself otherwise. First film,
it comes to yet Anna Kendrick. She's fine, but she's
not really so she's very fine and she's funny and
she's kind of good good, but I think overall she's
kind of I don't know. I wouldn't put her in
the best heroes unless she doesn't really move the needle

(40:21):
for me either way. Honestly, as far as as far
as the heroic list goes, ben Affleck, I think, honestly
is probably gives a better performance in the first film.
I feel like in the second film, especially with this
his person with autism traits because of Parsi, because the tone.
So I'm not sure if it's him or the tone.

(40:42):
Sometimes he's played more for humor, and it feels like
sometimes he's it becomes a little bit of a caricature
of the first films, of the first films Christian Wolf.
So I think that ben affle is a better performer.
I felt like he really dove deep into the character
in the first one and really kind of you played
it like a drama or the second one he played

(41:03):
it more like an action hero. So that kind of
the dramatic stuff kind of got pushed down a little bit. Again,
is that the tone or is that him or is
the combination? But your way, I got to give him
the credit for that. Medina kind of crossed herself out
for me, she's kind of similar enough in both films
for me.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
JK.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
Simmons kind of throws it out. Adding John Burnenthal the
side of the Angels really pushes it Neil towards two
for me because it's their chemistry in the first as
the two heroes together and even their anti chemistry with
Thedeena at times that actually makes the film chug alone.
That's what works in the film is their chemistry together

(41:40):
and their heroic actions together, and like you said, the
emotional stakes during the last battle, when John Burnenthal's not
being as much of a dick, he's actually on the
side of the Angels for that particular part that tips
the scales as well. I almost had an issue with
the first film. Justine almost brought me back the other
way until I read something I read his interview later on.

(42:02):
But the character of Justine was played by Alison Robertson
in the first film, and she's a personal autism and
she really had a lot of stemming and ticking, and
really Connell was trying to they were trying to showcase
her autism side being like being played out on film

(42:22):
as she was trying to help out throughout the entire film,
and then the second film she was replaced by. Where
was Alison Robertson in the first one. I might many
made the mistake. No, Alison right played the first film.
I think it is she was recast. She was recast.
My point is she was recast because well it was
an important part, because the second film she was very

(42:44):
much It felt she was like non stemming, not nearly
as much. It seemed like they were It felt like
they were downplaying the personal offism angle. I felt like
that almost felt dismissive, and it felt almost offensive and
kind of like shouldn't be like we shouldn't be like
hiding this, like this is like is it part of tone?

Speaker 2 (43:03):
Whatever?

Speaker 1 (43:04):
But then I read an interview and the actress who
played in the second film actually is a person with autism,
so she's actually they cast a woman with autism to
play the role. So it was almost like more realistically done,
perhaps portrayed the way it was portrayed.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
So I couldn't.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
All of a sudden, I said, I couldn't. I could
not happening and not getting somebody representing the actual person
who's who her her abilities or her have that same
kind of things. I can't knock the fact and make
it like, well, she's not stimming as much as the
first one, because then cycondll, I'm now I'm making a
case that's not really my place to judge anything. So
I appreciated the fact that they gave her this role

(43:43):
and let her like do her thing, because she was
great in it by when I read that. When I
read that, I was like, Okay, I see what they're
doing with this. And she was really fascinating to deal
and she got like stimming when she was really stressed out.
And the part where like she ordered the kids out
of the room at the end of the day or
that moment, she was really powerful. So that really if
it was on this at two before and now it's
really on the side of too, so AC count two

(44:03):
really kind of delivers for me. I'm going to go
with two for the better heroes. Gary, you go ahead next.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
You went really detailed with that one. I made it
way more simpler and I went just the first one
is Ben Affleck, Anna Ana Kendrick. Second one is Ben
Affleck and John Berthal. I really didn't go down the
you know, secondary character aspect of it at all. So yeah,

(44:32):
I think with Anna Kendrick and Ben Affleck, well, Anna
surely has less to do here, but their chemistry really
does work. I mean she's awkward and quirky but kind
of socially open. And Ben Affleck, like you said, he's
really playing it serious with his with the autism part
and and everything else whereas in the second one, I mean,

(44:54):
it's just Christian and Braxton there being an awesome duo
reluctant heroes but kind of get to the core of
what makes them so great together. And if I'm just
looking at which type of heroes would I'd rather hang
out with more, I mean it's definitely the second one.

(45:15):
And I know this is kind of a cop out
answer because we're not supposed to rate it like that,
But if I'm really rating the heroes, I think Ben Affleck, sure,
he's a different I mean, Christian is a different kind
of character than the first one. That comes with the
tone category a bit later. I'll try not to get
into it too much, but if I'm just rating the heroes,
I think they come to is just stronger in that regard.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
I want to be in a chick kicking bar with them.
I'm not gonna lie I'll give you.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
Oh, absolutely absolutely.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
I figure that's absolutely what would have happened if like
three of us got together in the bar. I could
actually absolutely.

Speaker 4 (45:48):
Yeah, no, no, no, you're bragton because you're I know, okay,
like a motherfucker dude, I'd be Christian on the full
line downs.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
In but I can just me and Paul are almost
getting kicked and we're like, okay, this is mad. He's
going to have a ball. Now see the guy running.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
And the best part actually after the fact, when you
see like he goes like does he chose the number?

Speaker 3 (46:16):
He's like got the front door.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
Love that love that aspect of it. So all right, Maddie,
what are you dude?

Speaker 3 (46:25):
It's two, It's it's it's two. Hands down, you're gonna
give me? Not only Ben Affleck playing Christian, yeah, a
little bit looser than he played in the in the
first one, but again that's showing the development of the
character Christian like opening up to his brother, like we're
seeing the emotional side as we got in the first

(46:47):
one at the end through bracks and bras and is
our our eyes and ears into the more emotional side
of the dynamic of the two, and then you just
have him. You have John bernthough essentially playing Frank Castle.
But Frank Castle that's cracking jokes. I mean like you

(47:09):
got me.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
Yeah, it makes sense, I get that. I mean this
is definitely it's almost like a loaded category for us,
because it's definitely the second one is well more coded
for action movie anatomy type people. And I was like, yeah,
it's it's a throwback more of a throwback nineties action
film when it comes to that. Then, so your models
may absolutely vary for watching this, so you might actually
think that it's better to have the more serious, dramatic

(47:30):
take on things. We just have the fun camaraderie between
the affleck and uh and bernh all there. So yeah,
but the same all three of us from the same
pants for that one. So anything lasts a bet or
should move on to you villain all right, better villains?

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (47:47):
Anyway you want to go first, I can go first.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
If you need to kind of blend together for me
to be honest.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
Oh goo, yeah, I actually had I did the same
thing I did for heroes, Like it felt like a
little bit like I was like, well, we have who
do we have her? On what side? Because there was
kind of like this flow of like, well, this guy's
a badger, that are not a bad guy. The first
show you had to end up saying it's it's John Lithgow,
it's John burnhal is the antagonistic side, and maybe you
get and you also throw in anybody else through on

(48:13):
the other side. I think it was I think those
are two main ones, and then.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
We're already talking about him if you want, all right,
left it to me. It was one because account to
you've got what's his name, Batu, who just kind of
reminded me of a cheaper version of the guy from
John the first John Wick and Gangster like just reminded
me of like a different version of him. Yeah. Yeah,

(48:41):
the Commandos. You could take Javi and put that him
in that role and it would still it would probably
actually be better worse. It would be better because Javis,
you know, he's worked with the likes of Christopher now,
so he is an actor and lift out like you
genuinely after you find everything out, you look at me like, dude,

(49:05):
you are a piece of shit. You are stealing money
from like people who have medical needs and you're embezzling
money and you like you try to justify it. Fuck
you man, and it's John Liftgow as well. So like
you look at John Liftgow and you think, oh, dad,

(49:26):
like the job said, you want to give him a hug, like,
and he's just this piece of shit. It's just like,
fuck you, dude. And Brack. I kind of want to
let Braxon off the hook a little bit in the
first one because he's just doing a job. He's a
contract killer, he's a hit man. You could, probably, like
I said, swap him out for anyone else obviously, And
two we get to see more of his character. But

(49:47):
then he like starts to open up and he has
the scene with Christian where he's like, you know, I
love you too because I'm your brother and I love
you and it's just like your empathy, like feel sympathy
them both. And then you learn the backstory, like how
they were forced into this because you know, the mom

(50:08):
wasn't around and the dad had no idea because he
was a sy o guy, he was a agent, and
you're just like, these kids had no fucking chance. And
then you look at Blackburn and you're just like, dude,
you are You're a piece of ship. I agree with
that of a medical company, embezzling money off of people suffering.

(50:31):
That's that's a good villain to get me to be
like double Birds.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
The double Bird. All right, yeah, now I get that
for sure. I would thrown there. Also, the problem with
Two's villains is that you said about two was very forgettable.
He's just plugging villain much like actually much like Fortunate.

(50:57):
I hate to say, I love the movie, but Ghost
Prodocols kind of thing. A great villain just there Burke.
I think it's Burke who's the other guy. He's kind
of like the Bats, who's main guy. He was actually
kind of interesting, but like only to a certain point,
like they didn't really get deep enough until he's really
just kind of a contract guy, like like Burnfall was
in the beginning, but he just stays on the side

(51:19):
because he doesn't have a brother, she's not related to them.
He stays the side of the villain's the main like
real villain ish of the story. Is kind of like
a nace.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
But is she really a villain Structurally? She is because
the antagonist for most of the movie.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
I can't call her a true villain when you're talking
about better villains. I mean, she is a villain per se,
but I feel like it takes a step down because
he's almost like she's like a general humble type in
a way, like it's not really her. She's that kind
of antagonistic side of things, but really we know that,
like it's kind of earned. Like she obviously it was
a strong heroic type character in the beginning for act
Super Family together, trying to make her way to the

(51:56):
New World and New World whatever, to America and everything else.
But then like she has the accident and then all
of a sudden she forgets everything and then they they
mess with their minds becomes as like programmed, like kind
of like Assassin guy. That's exactly she is, the Winter Soldier.
And then like when she finds out, then she kind
of goes off and try to tries to move on again.

(52:18):
So it's hard calling her a villain. So but if
I'm going to compare the two villains, John lyfgu is
definitely a bigger, bigger villain, even if she's more successful
of a fighter, she gives them more thing. But John
Lithgow is definitely like that he SAIDs so eloquently a
piece of ship and despite his best, his his best,
his his intentions are what he thought he was doing

(52:39):
or tried to proclaim that he was doing. And the
day you're killing your best friend, you're killing your sister,
maybe it's just all your piece of ship. So I'd
give it to you one as well as as a
better villain overall.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
Could you have the dad in as a villain in one?

Speaker 2 (52:53):
I mean it was there was actual threads about if
if the father was a good father or not because
I went down to read it rabbit hole of it.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
Well, I will say, because like in the beginning, he's
he's made out to be the bad father because he
you know, he's whatever about Christian, He's not gonna get
him help, whatever. But I think you kind of find
out the other thing is design he's not a bad father.
He's just raised differently and he he makes poor decisions,
but it's the mom who leaves them. He is doing
everything he can to keep them together and he's trying.

(53:23):
It's like I feel like it's it's not like it
was a one It could have been a one note
thing like military dad, Fuck mental health. I'm not gonna
deal with it. Fuck that shit. But he just needs
to be able to control himself. But it kind of
goes on from there and you really see him trying
his He's just got equipped. He's trying his best to
keep them together. He's like holding on to him and
everything else. Mom's splitting down. He's like the one gonna

(53:43):
come on here, just take say the Solomon Grundy. He's
trying to get him the best way he knows how
So I think he the fact that he's attempting to
do what he's trying to do makes him not a
villain for me. I think he's just like, this is
an unprepared parent for that kind of situation. So that's Michael.
I would not put as a villain.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
So h.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
You then what's your Yeah?

Speaker 2 (54:07):
The second one. The second one kind of I couldn't
remember Botsu or Burke or whoever the fuck you were
talking about, like because I just kind of put them
in the basket of Okay, these are those human trafficker, kidnapper,
cartel bad guys. Uh and As was the one who
stood out for me. I know she's an antagonist, not
really a villain. But I completely agree with what you

(54:30):
said about John Lithgow. Like, first of all, Lamar Blackburn,
I mean kind of has to be a villain with
that name like and what makes him even better is
at first John Lithgow really charms you. He shows that
he's the CEO, but he's kind of the good guy.
He's he really lays on the charm right and at
the end when he goes into this you know, diabolical villain,

(54:52):
you get two sides of him. This is where Liftgow
really can shine in that roll and give us a
a layered villain in that sense. So for me, it's
easily the account one.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
Okay, there we go, Javi.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
You will be happy to know that the last time
Manchester United played the Blackburn Rovers they beat them to one.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
So the Blackburn Rovers are also evil to Jarvia, I
guess I.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
Mean the town, the town of Blackburn is appreciate you.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
So that's the thoughts of Maddie Gunn or not that
this podcast.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
They don't anything about Blackburn, so I can't. I cannot.

Speaker 3 (55:31):
But you do know everything about football, apparently.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
Absolutely relegation off side.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
We can explain the offside rope to us.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
I know if I saw it like the final episode,
you know, Actually I think I can't. I played, I
did play soccer.

Speaker 3 (55:53):
What's what's vr that?

Speaker 1 (55:56):
I don't know that. I have no idea what we're
talking about. That point I know offside is like if
they're going down the field and the ball is past
the offender, the offense can't get behind the defense until
the until they have the ball. Correct, Well, you're on
the right track, okay. I sometimes I don't understand when
they call I'm like, well, is that offside? I don't.
I'm a little tad lasted that way, but I get
an idea of what it's supposed to be. But it's

(56:19):
a football, a football educational podcast teasing the Americans. All right,
final category of day, better tone, which is the last
one we came up with. We kind of came out
the first four and Jarby's like, well, what should be five?
And I was like, well, I kind of here is
a different kind of tone and had better tone. Was like, yeah,
let's do that. That's that works okay? And I saw

(56:41):
the second filament. Yeah, yeah, it really does work. It's
not like it's totally different films. I wanted if any
has a desire to go first, they can I have
you can go first? All right, go ahead?

Speaker 2 (56:52):
So I think this is This is a category that
comes down to a preference because both movies they have.
Either of the movies have a really different tone. First
one kind of we kind of touched upon it when
we talked about story. The first one is a serious,
dramatic action movie that takes itself super seriously. Doesn't really

(57:16):
give us any comedic moments. A few maybe here and there,
but serious, slow build, totally consistent. Second one, now does
what a sequel is supposed to do. Give us something new,
do a bit of a genre twist, and there is
a I'll say, Gavin O'Connor could have done this and

(57:39):
make the movie very ridiculous and not make it throw
out the serious stuff. Just give us a buddy road
movie that has some ridiculous moments. Because there's two scenes
that are like, I can't believe he did this. First
of all, the dating, the speed dating scene. He's like,
oh my god, this actually freaking works. And then the

(58:01):
famous honky Tok scene. I mean, that is just that's
the best scene in the movie. And you couldn't, you
can't fuck this up in a really bad way. But
he doesn't. It works. I mean John berthaal and Ben
Affleck and you did talk about ben Affleck kind of
going in and out of character in this movie a bit.
You kind of see the moments where he's like he

(58:22):
actually laughs and he's like showing the number. That's not
what a person on the spectrum would do. Because he's
established in the first one as someone who doesn't do
it at all. I mean, can you can kind of
defend it like he's trying in this one, like to
be I don't know, more socially approachable, even though if
he's not that way himself, but he's like trying for others.

(58:43):
So there's the argument there. But I think that the
second one does take the risk and not blow it
is definitely why I go with the second one. I mean,
it's it's amazing and it's way rewatchable for that reason
as well.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
Okay, all right, Maddie, why don't you go ahead next?

Speaker 3 (59:07):
I actually think that the tones are very reflective of
the story itself.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
You have.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
One which is like a one tone dramatic movie all
the way through, which is very reflective of Christian himself.
He's very much by the definition, he's like one note.
He's you know, we don't see him him start to
open up until the second movie when his brother comes in,

(59:35):
and like I said, we see the the emotional side
through Braxton. The dating scene fucking hilarious that I was
laughing so hard, how like all the women just saw
him and it's just like they're all like almost like
like ready to like jump up and get to him first,

(59:59):
just like going through the pictures and the fact that
he had the dating app algorithm because like he was explaining, oh,
it took pictures that everyone would have loved. And you know,
I sent my bio to like the hede the smile.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
Smiling.

Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
I think Job put it really well. It's like he's
trying for the sake of his brother, because you do
see at the end of the first one where he's
like have I see you in a week's time and
then he just walks out, and it's just like brass
and he really wants this relationship with his brother. And
you see when they're when they're sitting on top of

(01:00:39):
the was it the aerostream? Is it called the Oh
he lives.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
I'm stream, Yeah, slips stream.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
When he's when they're putting on the Sun's creen, Brasley
just rips it out of his hand and throws it
just like that is such a brotherly thing to do
that he would just be like, I don't care, I'll
just go throw that. And then you have the really
heartfelt moment where he's like did you not comfy me
because of me? Or because of your And you see

(01:01:09):
he's struggling to get out because he doesn't want to
say the word condition was to be sensitive to Christian
and he's just like was it me or was it
your condition?

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
And it shows that like both of them are trying
to meet each other on that like find some kind
of middle ground between the two, and you have like,
like I said, like Christian showing him the number just
to be like he probably was just doing that to
be like, hey, my brother would would love this, and
even says it when the guy's about to charge me,
he's just like, I'm really happy because now my brother

(01:01:41):
wasn't having a good time and now my brother's going
to have a great time. Like he knows the Bracton
is about to jump in.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
And the way that seed is cut like it doesn't
show the fight. They're just flying out the window.

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
The Uncle Phil Jazz jeff in Freshman just kids throw
an out of door.

Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
That's right, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
It was.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
It's really hard warming because like they have these differences,
they don't see each other at all because Christians, you know,
he chooses to have that separation. But the whole time Braxice,
like when they're in the bar Braxton is like, that's
my big brother right there, like he's constantly cheering him on,
and I'm just like, man, that is slowly like heartwarming,
and dude, give me give me two. Utah, give me two.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
Okay, I got it there. Uh yeah, you're right about that.
I'll give you that for sure. And I love the fact.
Like one of the most hard problems for me was
like at the beginning of the not begetting the thumb.
But like when burnhal and and we'll like it together
for the first time, Medina has him say something like
you miss say you missed him, say whatever whatever he
does I miss Something's like did she trying to say that?

(01:02:47):
But then at the end he does actually make that stappen,
like I forget exactly what it says. But they make
something I'm sorry, thank you, or make plans to.

Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
Do something like thanks for coming.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
I thought you could. I thought we could go out
and travel or hike or something like that on this whatever. Yeah,
it really kind of a big heartfelt moments that kind
of like, oh he's trying now, and it's really kind
of cool. I will say it is that your mouths
maybe vary.

Speaker 3 (01:03:12):
For sure.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
I hate voting against one because quite honestly, of the
two films, I feel like one is a far more unique.
It's like I want to reward that fit for doing
something different. I mean too, it's not there's nothing really
unique about it. Honestly, it's like it's it's it's fun,
but it's like it's an action throwback. It's it's a
buddy comedy. We've seen these in million times before. Sure,

(01:03:34):
you can throw in the side of the spectrum. It
adds a little bit to it as far as that goes.
There's some part fule moment, sure, But at the end
of the day, I'm looking at these films, I'm like,
this is kind of like, Okay, this is our action comedy,
and this is something that feels like it's doing something
a little different. I'm not trying to say I'm not
trying to like bunch Up and saying this is a
phenomenal film. The first film is so unique and everything else,

(01:03:54):
but it is a little different, so I want to
keep credit recrudits do that I'm a complete hypocrite because
I love the tone. I love the total too, though,
I mean I love the total too, I do. There's
some reason. The reason why I think is less unique
is because it works. I am a good part, yo.

Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
I'm holding a gun to your head right now. Are
you a good are you gonna do? Are you gonna
be legit right now? Or are you just gonna like
say yeah just because me a job have voted for two?

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:04:26):
No, no.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
If I was gonna say, let me tell you, let
me put this absolutely crystal player, I was gonna say too,
it wouldn't be just because you and Jerry said it,
because I would. This is the same type of conversation
I was gonna have if I went first, because I
love to and I had a lot of fun with you,
and I love the tone of two. I feel like
it's like, do I go with my do I go
with my my brain that says this is probably a
better tone? But which one am I gonna want to rewatch?

(01:04:49):
If I'm gonna rewatch something, I'm gonna put you on
because the.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
Category is not called right rewatchable.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
Right, right, But it is a unique tone, a better
tone or is it just a different tone? And again
that's the kind of thing. What is it better or
not that that it's a hard time discussing. I think
I will give it to one. I think I will
give it to one, because God, at least the uniqueness
of it does make it a better tone in terms
of it. It's it's a little it stands on its

(01:05:16):
own a little bit better.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
I think it's a good choice because you were, you
were gearing up towards and I think you might be
correct objectively, which me and Maddy didn't do in this sentence.

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
Which one right? He did that literally at gunpoint, like
to your head? Which time you know that was? You
know that was real?

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
I mean, at the end of the day, if it was,
if the category was rewatchable to wins hands down. If
I'm gonna go over and look at just critically, I
gotta give it to one. And uh, that's actually how
we end. And my god, guys, this this is a
is a quite a.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
There is a humdinger of a contest we got going
on here. Your winner, I score of eight to seven
is the accountant to nice.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
I think that's fair because both of these movies in
in my letterbox. I give it a four out of
five for both of them as good as well. They're
as good both of those movies.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
I believe I did the same. Yeah, they are really
a online you don't get the start.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
That's right, I just do.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
That's true. Uh yeah, So I mean again, it's a
it's a fair calling. If you everybody is watching the
chat live or afterwards, you want to leave comments and
say which one you thought was better, but I want
to shout out. If you're going to say something in
the comments, make sure you go through the categories. But
it's easy to kind of go through, Like a lot
of whatever I talk on the show to people, I
was like, throw all do this versus like oh this,
I'm like, yeah, I know that's generally. I might what

(01:07:00):
wins Like just yet your snap decision. We have that category,
so we've had that segment of words, snap that position.
But go the categories. You really look at them and
see what you think after that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
Wait, maybe sure I should change my last category to one.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
I think it's too late. I think it's too late. Now,
all right, guys, that's that's gonna do it for us
this month. That's true, that'd be interesting. Category. Now for
this one we have, we.

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
Should have the next one. One of us can appeal
and we redo the fucking then appeal the decision. No.
Two out of three have to appeal to redo.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
I like the I like the concept, but we can't
do it this one. We have to actually work this
out by the scenes and we'll figure out. But that
might be something you get in.

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
I think the next one would throw that in the don't.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
Think we throw that in the next week next time.
I don't think we throw this next time. That's too much.
It's already gonna be a Caddo episode or notough we're
announced that in a few just a few minutes here,
so uh, there's no way we're gonna do that for
the next one. Maybe they one after that. We'll introduce
this a new angle, but we'll start here at jarviy.
We're going to folks find Joe.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
On Facebook and Instagram at Sir Richard Eric with a kjar.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
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Speaker 3 (01:08:15):
You can find me on all social media at Matty
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Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
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me of course all over the podcast. Hear me and
made doing Holy Stokes every week discussing and our oh
special announcement about that this week.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
We usually go on Thursdays. We're going to record on
Friday today. We have some scheduling mix ups, but we're
gonna get in that. Last time we went to the
Mission Impossible premiere. There you go. That's a scheduling.

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
Where are you going thsday?

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
Sorry, Thursday? This Thursday to the Less to Square the
red carpet.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
For me and I'm not going to turn that down.
I won't let him turn that down. Friday and so
we're going to finish up our and or up because
they had wraps up on Tuesday. So I do Alwing
podcast on the channel. I do Review, which is a
show about v and I also do two milated kiks
on film uh PG and I doing the Superman franchise

(01:09:12):
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Now we will make our announcement for next show, which

(01:09:35):
is undetermined date. I don't think we have a determined
date yet. I mean we did sometime in June. Haven't
that exactly when?

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
Yet?

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
I wish I had a thumbail right. I was kind
of the first tight I've done me. I would have
been nice to have a thumbail ever done, But we don't.
We are doing something very different on class action. We
are going to be doing we have never done more
than we had. We had three way one. We did
do a three way battle, I think once. I think
we did that once together.

Speaker 3 (01:09:59):
There was that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
But it's very difficult. But because we love such films,
because we love the chaos that it leads, and because
there's only one TC legend and he deserves all the
glory and all the honor and all the chaotic energy
we're gonna we can bring to this. We are doing
I don't even know if we have a name for
it yet, but we're going to do the first class

(01:10:21):
action Battle Royale. All eight Mission Impossible films are gonna
enter the ring with five custom made categories and we're
actually gonna do a cut out of system where we're
gonna vote the top three of each category. We're to
have a really score basis amount and he working my
ass off and the pencil pad and scratchings out. We're
going to make sure we got it right. Eight put

(01:10:43):
me in charge, no charge, no chance in health, there's
no chance in health. Eight we'll enter the ring. Who's
going to come out the ultimate winner? And the Mission
Impossible Battle Royale. We've done Mission Impossible to show before.
We actually the tournament back in the fallout days and
we have some heated discussions then, so I'm expecting this
to be as heated, if not more, because we don't

(01:11:05):
get over our grudges. We just sit on them and
let them burn into our souls.

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
And you didn't have me last time.

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
That's true. That's true. That's very true. And Maddie is
going to be simping Permission Impossible too, while Jarvi sims
for Henry cavill and they're both wrong and we're gonna
tell him. Tell you why next time on Class.

Speaker 3 (01:11:23):
Action Mission Impossible three is getting farn over the top
right first.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
You son of a bitch. I will fire you. I
will fire you on the spot, because if you put
Owen David out like that, I will not want to
know you, my friend. I just will not want to
know you guys next time, And like that, justice is served.

Speaker 3 (01:11:52):
Corn is injurned.