Episode 411: Are The Clippers STUCK Roster Wise? + Mailbag Questions

The LA Clippers have some wiggle room cap wise…but is anyone good enough to use it on? Adam, Will, and Chuck answer Clippers fan questions about trading for LaMelo Ball, moving Norm Powell, and bringing back a Clippers legend just for the heck of it

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:12):
What is going on? Clippers fans?

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Welcome to season three, episode sixty eight of Clips and Dip.
I am Chuck Buckler, joined by Adam Osland and William Updyke.
It is officially the Clippers offseason. Four other teams going
to be playing right now, which is happy for them.
That's great, but we are still bringing you Clippers content.
Thank you for listening, thank you for watching, if for
checking us out at YouTube dot com slash at Clippers podcast.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
We got a.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Mailbag episode today. We have dips today because it is
the offseason. If you're near to the show, we either
make a dip or buy a dip, or then review it.
Because the demand was just too high the first season,
we didn't do it. Before we get into these fantastic
listener questions, will Adam, how the hell are we feeling?
It's been a bit of a weird week. Shay was
named MVP of VITZA, Zubats named second Team All Defense.

(00:59):
Some say Justin is difficult to win his MVP.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Adam, how are you doing?

Speaker 3 (01:05):
I'm hanging in there. It has been a rough week.

Speaker 4 (01:08):
A lot of people up upset, opening up old wounds
with SGA and probably not over yet should they get
to the finals or win the championship, that's when the
maximum pain hits.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
So yep, just got to deal with her right now.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Will Are you weeping in your shade jersey at work
this week after the announcement?

Speaker 5 (01:29):
No, I mean like it was a bummer, Like I
think the thing that hurts even more is I think
if you're a Clippers fan, you know in your heart
right that even if that trade doesn't happen, if we
don't give Shay up, I don't think he becomes an
MVP with this team and the way that we've dealt
with Tallent. So I'm not happy, but I'm happy for him.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
Yeah that's fair. So tell it, if you're honest.

Speaker 5 (01:53):
With yourself, take a good hard look at take a
good hard look in the mirror, and tell me that
you think that this point, that this team like that
this team would have developed Shay into an MVP.

Speaker 4 (02:07):
I do think it's very circumstantial. Him getting to this
point playing with CP three, his first year with Okase
was big for him.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
I think Shrewder was big for him too.

Speaker 4 (02:16):
And then those guys all leaving and then he gets
to take over and run the show for a twenty
one team that expedites your development that could help.

Speaker 5 (02:25):
Do I think that's that way happen VP. I just
I think he's All Star for sure.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
Because this is the most talented guy by far the
Clippers have had over this span. I don't think Moosa
is going to develop into an MVP. I don't think
Brandon Boston's going to develop into an MVP. God help
us if it happens. So it's kind of like, I
don't know how to judge it because there's nobody else

(02:54):
outside of SGA that had this level of talent that
the Clippers had, and he was getting like twenty six
minutes per game in that playoff series against the Warriors.
Now does that mean Doc Rivers stays around? There's this
whole butterfly fed Who knows. But I do think he
would be one of the best players in the NBA.
Whether or not he wins the MVP, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah, we do have one of the better defensive players
in the NBA, as announced today, I eats A Zubats
well deserved second Team All Defense Chris Dunns screwed out
of this because of some technicalities, But I don't know.
I think We all wish you maybe would have won more,
but it's nice to see him get the recognition.

Speaker 4 (03:33):
Yeah, I think he could have been first team over Draymond,
to be honest, but uh yeah that.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
Was a legacy.

Speaker 5 (03:42):
Yeah, I think it was a really strong argument for
him to be to be first team.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
But again, it is what it is.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
Man. Yeah, takes one year too long.

Speaker 4 (03:53):
Takes one year too long for these guys, their legacy guys,
to get out of that voting too. Maybe next year
he is first team just because this year he worked
his way up through the ladder.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
You know, there we go.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
I mean, the Clippers want to do anything next year,
we'll probably need you to be at least second team
all defense. Let's get into these questions. We got a
lot of questions about existing guys. We got questions about
new guys. If we don't read a name out just
as a disclaimer, that means the question is from arc

(04:23):
eight one eight, who sent us fifteen hundred questions.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
We appreciate it. We didn't do all of them.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
We're gonna start with existing guy questions from arc eight
one eight. Should the Clippers move on from Ben Simmons,
Should he be out of the equation as the clippers
backup center kind of splitting time with him and Drew
you banks, how are we feeling about that.

Speaker 4 (04:53):
People won't say anything above a veteran's minimum, probably right.
I don't think you do use part of the non
tax PAYAMID level on Ben Simmons with you know, he
wasn't bad. In fact, he was good early on in
the series, but then he kind of got phased out
by the end of it. And it would be great

(05:15):
if they had a more traditional backup big that they
could find.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
It's not easy.

Speaker 4 (05:20):
We've talked about this many times, how many good backup
bigs are there in the league, but it would be
nice if they could find their best backup big since Hardenstein.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah, I like the traditional backup big thing him wanting yeah,
any more than the vet men will. Would you go
any higher than that? Because so for those of you
who don't know, the Clippers have the non taxpayer mL,
which is like fourteen million dollars, which yeah, I don't
know about that.

Speaker 5 (05:47):
No, I don't think above of that. Man, it would
work out. It's a bummer because it was ups and downs,
but once again he got injured. You know, miss missed
some significant time there. He was never going to play
back to backs, coming in as late as he did.
He would have liked to see a little bit, you know,
I would like to see what could have happened with
a little bit more like comfortability and time. And you know,

(06:10):
you saw some of the tendencies kind of rear their
ugly heads, some of the passiveness offensively. But there were
some really great stretches of him, even in the playoffs
in that row over Denver. I mean, he had a
he had a solid stretch in that one, like and
even like picking up yo getch you a couple of
times uh that I thought was you know, like I
thought was encouraging. I thought that that was promising. But

(06:31):
it's just yeah, on a on an m L that
just feels like too big of a gamble for me.
I just think that there's like a million dollars. I
just think that there's you know, because what's the vetman
right now, it's like four and a half or five
something like that for three or four maybe yeah, if

(06:54):
maybe he would maybe he would do like a one
plus one on that, you know, with the player option
on the second year, so he can, you know, if
he ends up if.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
He ends up.

Speaker 5 (07:03):
I mean because to be honest with you, if he
even stayed healthy for a full season, I think there
would be offers out there. Like I think that there
could be interest out there. I just like, you know,
for me, it's too much of a gamble right now
for more than that.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
And I like Adam You're point about the traditional backup big,
because he's not. He's like a backup. He's like a
combo piece. He's like a combo big, So it's not
really a backup fight.

Speaker 5 (07:26):
But he has the size and athleticism that they could
use him in more of a traditional role. It's just
you know, when he came to the team, Norm was
out of the rotation. They were interested, you know, Chris
Don wasn't looking great as a ball handler. They were
really interested in using him as a facilitator and using
him to push things in transition. But maybe you pivot
to just just having him be in more of a
traditional sort of center role and that other stuff is

(07:49):
just kind of like sprinkling on top of and maybe
it could look a little bit different. I don't know,
but again, it's like it's kind of a gamble outside
of a man.

Speaker 4 (07:58):
Yeah, the Ybard. Part of him does intrigue me because
the Clippers do like playing small and he can bring
the ball up obviously very well. He gives you kind
of a little bit of both worlds there. I wouldn't
hate it if they brought him back. It's really more
so about the health and then just the confidence of

(08:19):
him on the offensive end, if he's willing to take shots.
But you know, if he could be a regular season
the innings eater, that'd be great. I just don't know
if that's realistic based upon his health situation the last
few years.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Yeah, and the interest will be it's a week freehated class,
like there's gonna be more interesting or not, just based
on the fact that I guess in this case, lowering
tide lowers all ships or something like that.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
The inverse of this.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Next question from arc eight point eight, should the Clippers
move on from Norm, extend him, or play this season out?
I thought, and in this context I'm assuming means trade before.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
The season starts.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
Yeah, if he gets off to a start like he
did last year. I wasn't on team move Norm last year,
but if he gets too close to a similar start
to what he did in this upcoming season, I would see.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
If he can get a first round pick.

Speaker 4 (09:19):
For moment Powell, I mean his even coming off the
playoffs and him coming back after being hurt and his
play wasn't as strong as it had been early on
in the season. I would still think his stock is
pretty high and they might be able to do that
this summer. So to answer the question and say, well,

(09:39):
tell me what they're getting back for him, and then
I'll tell you if they should move on from him
or not. It's kind of tough, but I would be interested,
depending on what you receive. I think that we've talked
about him every summer U and he ends up staying
with the Clippers and playing great, it could happen again,
and I love Norm But I think if he wants
the kicker probably is the car, the shoes probably if

(10:01):
he wants a three year extension or a four year extension,
and that doesn't fit with the Clippers timeline where the
only guy they have the summer of twenty twenty seven
on the books right now, I think is a beat
to zoobots. So if that's the case, and they can't
come to a happy medium where he signs on for
you know, another year after this one, which, look, he

(10:21):
should get as much money as he can. He has
earned it, he should take advantage of the season that
he had, so I would not crush him at all
wanting that money. I'm just saying it may not work
with the Clippers.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
It's like what Lawrence Frank was saying in that the
Only exit interview was like, We're gonna talk with norm
and see if it lines up, like big picture with
all that stuff, but also like will they don't have
to sign him imminently, like they can wait, I'm pretty
sure to give him a deal if Yeah.

Speaker 5 (10:50):
I don't know, it's not my head what the extension
deadline is, but yeah, I'm that I think it just
depends on what you're getting back. I see the value
of you know, selling high for a player who's at
like that twenty million dollar mark, which with the way

(11:12):
the cap is going up, is like a very tradable contract.
It just depends. I mean, I think like whatever incoming
team would probably have to have a conversation about what
an extension would look like. He is thirty two years old.
He will be like thirty three by the time the
next season starts. Uh this year, Yeah, and I mean
and that was like the concern right like that that

(11:33):
that has been sort of one of those things that's
hung over his head is like how you know how
available he can be? So yeah, I just think it
depends on the return. And I feel like we have
this conversation almost every year, and I think this year
more so than others. You know, I think the previous
last couple of years when this this has come up,
we've said Norm is pretty indispensable. And I think again

(11:56):
this year it's sort of like you just need to
level set on what you want to do and what
you want the next phase of this team that looks
like right now, Yeah, it's like of what this team
was like. And I mean this was a team that
struggled to score. This was a team that really needed Norm.
And you know, you don't know how many games you're
going to get from Kawhi next season. You know there's
going to be you know, the regression is uh, you

(12:17):
know incoming for James, which not a knock on him,
just you know, as he gets older. But I do think, yeah,
I think you're picking up the phone. I think you're
I think you're listening. But I think if it's if
it's not a young asset and or a pick. I

(12:38):
guess I would say just I mean, just ride it out.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
For the season like that.

Speaker 5 (12:42):
I guess that's my I guess that's my my stance currently.

Speaker 4 (12:49):
I mean, you definitely don't lose him for nothing that
that would be a problem. So I think it's more
likely than he does get moved at some point because
I don't know if.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
You if you do sign to a deal, maybe because
the CAP's going to go up every year, all that
good stuff, that's still tradable before the you know, after
next season, that's still a tradable contract. So it really
does all add on, like what you were saying, it
aligns with It depends on how he aligns with Lawrence
Frank it's the biggest.

Speaker 5 (13:22):
And just the mar I mean, and just the market
like it's just I mean, you know, we've talked a
lot about the free agent class, and you know that
there's not a whole lot out there to outright signs.
So are you a little bit more willing to give
up a little And then I mean on the flip
side of that, like you know, if that's a contender team,
is that first round pick really worth your while, you know,

(13:43):
if it's going to be a lower one. Anyways, I
don't know a lot to think about, but I think
they're definitely picking up the phone and half half been
doing so. Oh No, I was just going to say that,
I think they've been doing so more so than previously.

Speaker 4 (13:58):
And even if he signed the extent, does that mean
he's going to be here the entire time?

Speaker 3 (14:02):
No, we just saw that with Terrence Mann last year totally.

Speaker 4 (14:05):
If it's still a tradable contract, you know, he could
still that could make him even more of an asset
to some teams to see that he's not going to
be a rental if they trade for him this year.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
That's true. Hmm intriguing. All right, will what do we
got next? On the questions.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
One sech Let me pull up this supply people read
the breakdown, all.

Speaker 5 (14:29):
Right, So jo Josh Sexon wants to know. Since we're
expecting the Clippers to run it back next season and
we're likely going to see similar results in the regular
season barring injury, what would you guys suggest the organization
do in order to guard against Harden being a playoff dropper?
Also shout out all the UK listeners.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
I this might sound stupid, but I think we just
have to hope that he doesn't like what is how
do we I don't know what it means to get
something like we get someone else to be really good
in the playoffs instead of James Harden because I don't
think that this.

Speaker 5 (15:02):
To me gets so frustrating because.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
If there was a switch to flip, I would flip
it right, like we would all do that.

Speaker 5 (15:09):
It will like and this is what I talked about
in the playoffs, Like I just feel like his failure
to address the media. I feel like it's like is
like indicative of a deeper issue wherein he's not realizing
the problem or he doesn't think that there's a problem
and it's just a series of bad games or something.
And like if you don't address it, I don't know
how you ever expect to improve. And this is the

(15:30):
thing that's so frustrating to me about players that are
like the like the talent level that he is, Like
you gotta be willing to, you know, take some feedback
at times, and I feel like, yeah, this is like
almost bordering on like a rust thing where it's like
you're not the starter anymore. Obviously harder, and it is
still at at like a starter level. But it's like,
if these guys would be willing to like to pivot,

(15:52):
to give up an inch, it could extend their careers
and it could, you know, kind of change how they play.
And I think that that's I think that that's how
guys find value and how that's like that's why I
think guys like CP three continue to be in the
league despite the declining athleticism, despite you know, not being
at the level, is they're willing to adjust their game.
And that's what it's gonna take. That's what it's gonna

(16:15):
take for him to be better in the playoffs. Is
he willing to do that? I gotta be honest, it
seems like a numb So.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
The thing is with him, is it adjusting his game.

Speaker 4 (16:31):
Or is it because it's not like this is new
and it's something that he's had with age and he
can't do the stuff he used to do. It's the
same stuff that he does well in the regular season,
the same stuff that he does well earlier in the series.
In fact, even as late in the series as Game six,
where he had a spectacular performance. And I'm not just

(16:51):
gonna write off the fact that he played forty seven
minutes I think in that Game six, and that didn't
have some effect on him in Game seven, what in
an early start, two days later, whatever it was, one
day off in between.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
There is something to that.

Speaker 4 (17:07):
Yeah, Now you look at elimination games or game sevens
with hard and and he's shooting like thirty five percent
in his career. There seems to be something mental there
going on. And maybe the best you can do is
bring in somebody that can relieve some of the playmaking

(17:27):
duties for not just another option if he's not having
a great game, but also give him the best chance
of being fresh out there in the biggest moments, so
the tired legs late in the series are less of
an excuse. I don't know that's the direction i'd go.
But how many years have you been in the league now? Fifteen?

Speaker 3 (17:50):
Something like that?

Speaker 5 (17:51):
We see it seems like it seems like he has
trouble adjusting to once the defense has figured him out.
It's really hard to play a team seven times. It's
really hard to beat the same team four times. And
like you know, he has these things that he can
rely on in the regular season because you're not seeing
the same team night after night after night. But like
when someone studied film on you, you have to be
able to like adjust and move in the moment a

(18:12):
little bit more. And I just like, for whatever reason,
I just don't think that he's been able to do that.
I don't think that he's been able to pivot as well.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
That's a good point. I think that's fair.

Speaker 4 (18:23):
Like he's an analytics monster, which means threes and layups
and there's not much in between, thanks Mike D'Antoni. And
that game maybe is something that's easier to figure out
as the series goes along.

Speaker 5 (18:40):
Yeah, like if the guy, if the guy handling the
ball has two options or two go tos. I mean
it's like a little bit easier for a defense to
figure out.

Speaker 4 (18:48):
I don't know now if guys are knocking down shots.
Is he did have thirteen assists in that game seven
he could have had more if guys were hitting their
shots when he is creating good looks off of that
off of those actions, so they go, well, then we're
not talking as much about Harden, but you have a
game where twenty seven straight missed three pointers by the

(19:10):
Houston Rockets in that game seven and Chris Dunn and
DJ missing shots in that game seven for the Clippers.
Just like there's a lot of different factors, but ultimately
he's a top seventy five player of all time. You
got to be accountable. He hasn't been good enough in
elimination games. He's had in great playoff series. He's had

(19:30):
great playoff games. It's the elimination games that he's had
some real low points.

Speaker 5 (19:35):
And unfortunately for him, especially like at this stage of
his career, the Clippers just we rely on him to
score more than you would like to for where he's
part of two.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
Yeah, like we need him to be Like.

Speaker 5 (19:49):
Like if him just getting to fifteen assists would would
be enough to like lift the Clippers in an elimination game, ooh,
that'd be great, But like he needs to have twenty
five plus that and you know that's like it's just
a tall order.

Speaker 4 (20:02):
I think that was part of the reasoning of why
when they brought him in last year. It was to
just be the main playmaker for Kawhi and Paul George
and not put as much on him scoring wise. Therefore
he could age more gracefully and not have to have
so much on his plate.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
But this year obviously that changed.

Speaker 4 (20:20):
And if no Norman pals better, does that help James Harden.
We're not talking about this, you know. So it's not
just James. There's a lot that goes into it.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
He's also I want to play a guy, which is
admirable for a team like the Clippers. Obviously, he's the
same way when you have these extra miles that I
want to play in the regular seasons, awesome, and then
you maybe see how it maybe catches up with a
team that relies on older stars in the playoffs.

Speaker 5 (20:48):
And I feel like we've been a little down on
him in this segment. I just also want to say,
like love and love what James Harden did in the
regular season. Like I mean, this team, this team does
not get to fifty wins without him. I mean, he
was you know, he was so instrumental to what this
team is. It's just like I said, it's just kind
of difficult or frustrating to watch guys as good as

(21:09):
he is sort of struggle in like in the exact
same way a year after year after year.

Speaker 4 (21:14):
He did get one fifth place vote for m v P,
which tied him with a few other guys. So he
finished somewhere around tenth in MVP voting.

Speaker 5 (21:24):
Take it.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
You know people people don't bring that up when they
talk about the shade trade. All right, last question before
we take a quick little break. Should Chris Dunn continue
to start or should the Clippers look at making a change?

Speaker 5 (21:41):
Adam, this is your guy. I want to hear your thoughts.

Speaker 4 (21:44):
Chris Dunn is my guy. I'll claim him. I do
like Chris Dunn.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
I think continue to start.

Speaker 4 (21:53):
I think, well, what's I don't know. Where was the
roster going to look like? It depends if they're bringing.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
In starting lineup. You're saying, I don't think.

Speaker 4 (22:02):
Bogie is going to be in the starting lineup in
place of Chris Done. Bogey has definitely been my guy.
I think a lot could change if, like we talked
about earlier, they made a move with Norm Powell, and
if they brought in that four that can start next
two beats to see bouts Now you're talking about, yeah,

(22:23):
possibly bring in somebody else outside of Chris Dunn. But
the reason he's there is because they think his point
of attack defense wears on people and the ball handling duties,
so that stuff could remain the same. That logic could
stay the same if James Harden is also still there,

(22:44):
which you never know, like he has an option. What
if he opts out and he wants three years and
was like, man, we can't do three, we can do two.
You just don't know who's going to be coming back
next year in that starting lineup.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
Yeah, and I don't. I mean.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
Because the difference, like if looking at it all things
as they are right now, it would the move would
be you bring in Done or not you put Done
on the bench and then you bring Derek Jones Junior in,
So it's Norman the two Kawhid, Derek Jones and then
Zoo or something like that. But I don't know, I

(23:24):
don't really know what the change is. Right, we're gonna
get in a new guy questions after the break, but
he is really number DJ. Yeah, that's true too, and
just about the same total minutes, right, didn't we figure
that out too?

Speaker 4 (23:39):
Yeah, it was back when that conversation was being had,
like a month and a half before the end of
the regular season. The numbers were very close with minutes
played in the starting lineup. But I think they were
looking at some intangibles and It's not like the Chris
Dunn numbers were bad. It was DJ's numbers are even
better next to these guys.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
The summer work will be interesting too. Out of the shot.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
But you know, I'm not the hesing drastically, not that
either Derek Jones Junior or Chris Done I expect to
like drastically improve a three point shot, but they see
where they fit where the detriments were in the playoffs
at least, so.

Speaker 4 (24:19):
I could see a situation where one of them is
moved where they're just too similar in that way because
neither shined, you know, in a real way in that
playoff series from three. And I could see that, like
there's too much redundancy going on with those two. But
it's also kind of one of those good problems to have.

(24:39):
You want guys like that. It just would be nice
if one of them was more consistent from three.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
Yeah, Well, any final thoughts on Kristin.

Speaker 5 (24:49):
No, I mean, I like the idea of like, is
it too much of an overlap between DJ and him?
But we did see some really great stuff from Done.
It's it's a bumb of a three point shooting, wasn't there.
It's a that he you know, he wasn't seeing much
time sort of by the end of that series.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
It's tough. It's tough.

Speaker 5 (25:07):
But another guy who you know was definitely a floor
racer during during the regular season.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
Yeah, needing to set that done to all right, coming up,
Thank you for all the questions, by the way for
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Speaker 5 (25:37):
What all right? Welcome back into this special mail bag
episode of Clips and Dip. You know, we took some
some questions about the roster as is. Now we're looking
at some of the some new guys. Califula wants to
know what is a bigger need a big A big

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to compliment a big to compliment Zoo because DJ doesn't
get enough playing time, or a PG to spell Harden,
allow Harden to play off ball at times, Spell.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
Well, I get in trouble with Now.

Speaker 5 (26:15):
I just spell Harden. I don't know what that means.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
I think Adam kind of talked me into it. It might
be the point guard. We very much need a backup big,
but again, we're gonna play. He's gonna probably play are
over another guard. Come on, Yeah, that's true. Well, the
question was for this question specifically of compliment to Zoo.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
Yeah, I guess four. There's just no good fours.

Speaker 5 (26:45):
I think I four would compliment Zoo because he needs
some help on the defensive end. He's great, but he
can't do everything.

Speaker 4 (26:56):
Yeah, it's just that's gonna be the harder guy to find.
He has to be able to shoot. Those guys make
a lot of money. Uh, wars are Aaron Gordon. There's
one Aaron Gordon. Everybody's asking themselves that after he just has.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
Yeah, and his leg might be man.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
He gouted that out in game seven Man Warrior.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
Yeah, I think I think just with what's out there.
But it's not like the point guard that.

Speaker 5 (27:30):
We don't need another guard to unlock Zoo. We have
the point guard that's unlocked Zoo.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Well we know that Zoo's unlocked, but Harden does need
some rest, but he also won't rest.

Speaker 4 (27:40):
I don't know if they have a good enough guard,
it could force his hand coach Los hand to get
him more rest. And just the other part of this
is he played such heavy minutes early in the season
because Kawhi wasn't back yet well or under the belief
Kawhi will be with them hopefully healthy and training hopefully

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healthy to start the season. That could take down some
of the minutes from James Harden. And then if you
add in a guy who's competent that's backing him up,
that maybe is on the younger side, that would really help.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
Plus Kershan Yabuseli coming in at the four, we're good.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
A plus summer look.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
Clivers win the offseason yet again.

Speaker 5 (28:24):
Dangerously close to Chuman on Mic right now, dangerously close.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
But if you chew your dips on Mike, you will
be muted. I think we're putting time out for ten minute.

Speaker 5 (28:35):
What I don't think it's ten minutes, but it's a
couple of minutes for sure.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Ten would be really funny, all right, joy Bella asks,
we were so close. It feels like Santiel Damas seems
like he could do wonders for this team. Is he
worth the full non taxpayer mid level exception. We won't
yell at him like Baine so al damas a restricted
free agent who made less than formally a dollar last year.

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But it seems like he's in line to get a
much higher rate this season, and it might be more
than fourteen.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
Million dollars per year.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
Yeah, it'd be.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
To have santieldamo, but I think he'll get more than
fourteen million offered to him.

Speaker 4 (29:16):
I haven't been able to get a gauge on just
how good he is defensively if he's playing the four. Uh.
Some people are saying, you know, he's solid, he's a
try hard guy. He's not great, but he can in
theory guard a few different positions. But a lot of
it's just based off the fact that like Triple J
is out there and they have enough like defense that

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might insulate him. So we don't know how good he
is now. If you're playing next to Beats Zubos, does
that matter as much if kawhis you're sandwiching between the
beats of Zubos and Kawhi, maybe you're okay, But I
do think you know the shooting's there, that's obvious. How
good is he defensively that's I really would love to
know there's a Memphis Grizzlies fan watching this pod. Let

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us know, so we no if we want to steal
your guy or not.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yeah, I mean yeah, because I mean defensively is also
where you make your bones as the four in the
tier lineup.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
I just think he'll get offered more.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
I mean, like the hustle fits right like that, like Adam,
like you said, But I just think he'll probably get
offered more and they can match anything.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
That he's offered because he's restricted.

Speaker 4 (30:26):
Yeah, probably not getting him.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
Sorry, great question. Will What are your thoughts?

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Do you have something to save this take or do
you think that we can get him we throw on
a couple in and out coupons.

Speaker 5 (30:40):
Yeah, I mean it just fully depends on the market.
But I mean I love the I love the idea
the acquisition. You know, I've loved a lot of the
ideas of some of the acquisitions and trades that people
have sent. It's just like it, like you know, when
the rubber hits the road, is that really realistic?

Speaker 4 (30:58):
Well?

Speaker 2 (30:59):
Like also, he's one of the few good power forwards
on the market.

Speaker 5 (31:04):
Yeah, and he shoots like he shoots like thirty from
three like true six to eleven like I don't know, man,
that's uh, it checks a lot of boxes for the Clippers.
I mean, if you could get it done for that,
I would. I'm I'm fully on board.

Speaker 4 (31:19):
I think they would rather trade Ja Morant than let
Aldama go. I think he's viewed as being in the
larger timeline as they're going to give Triple J an
extension this summer, and they'd rather trade Bane or Ja
Morant than let him go.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Yeah, all right, we'll figure something out to get up
to the Clippers. It would be a great fit. Love
the scouting joy Bella, I mean yeah.

Speaker 5 (31:44):
Absolutely elite scouting. I love like, I love the idea
of this acquisition.

Speaker 6 (31:48):
I just.

Speaker 5 (31:50):
I just don't I don't see it.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
All right.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
Here's another question, uh that it's kind of like a
glimpse into why the new I think CBA makes trading difficult.
Rudy's of Ala asks also, Rudy, hope you're doing well.
Used to send us questions. I'd locked on clips. Rudy's
been listening forever. Hey, guys, would a trade of Pale
and a second round pick to the Rockets for Tarry

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Eastern or Jabari Smith junior work. No is the answer,
and I will tell you why, just based on financials alone,
everything else taken out of it. Tarry Easton makes five
point seven million next year, Jabari Smith at twelve point
three million. So norm doesn't work for either of these guys,

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since after this trade they'd be over the first Apron
and they'd only be able to take back one hundred
percent of the salary that they're about moved.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
Can't see that. You can't combine it. And also they
wouldn't do that.

Speaker 4 (32:47):
I don't know if they'd trade one guy even if
it did work for or to be honest.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Fair, but this is also why trading with the Aprons
is they need scorers. They do need scorers. But this
is why trading with the new Apron stuff can be
a pain. Is mostly what I was trying to illustrate
with this question. I don't think they do the trade
either way, but financially it's like not, it's not possible.

Speaker 5 (33:10):
Wait, why is their cap situation so shit?

Speaker 1 (33:14):
I don't know if it's total shit. Let me look,
you're spinning tobacco.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
Oh, but yeah, I don't think they do it, Adam.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
To your point, I don't think they do it.

Speaker 5 (33:25):
If done deal it works for the rules.

Speaker 4 (33:32):
I think they have bigger plans if they're going to
trade one of those guys or both of them. The
Houston Rockets bigger than the scoring, but they're also a
very young team, and those are really good assets.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
Those are good assets.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
And to answer why their cap is shit, Fred van
Fleet's got a forty four million dollar option next year,
Dolan Brooks, Dylan brook is making twenty one million Jalen
Green deals.

Speaker 5 (34:01):
I forgot about the overpays and then the like high
graphics and how.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Jalen Green goes to thirty three, Sengoon goes to thirty four,
Reed Shepherds at ten, Jabari Smith Juniors at twelve, Amn
Thompson's at ten. I mean that would be cool if
they that did work, but I don't like. I don't
think they do it. What about two seconds? Good fits though,

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again great scouting by the listeners.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
I don't need the seconds as much slippers do. Right, Yeah,
they have the young guys.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
Yeah, I don't think they need the seconds. Adam, what's
this next question? We got?

Speaker 4 (34:45):
This next one is coming from?

Speaker 3 (34:50):
Who is this coming from? Oh?

Speaker 1 (34:51):
The guy who answer?

Speaker 4 (34:52):
Who?

Speaker 1 (34:52):
Asked, all of them are eight one eight?

Speaker 3 (34:54):
This is the same.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (34:57):
Why why is mine all jumbled? I don't see his name?

Speaker 1 (35:02):
It's not crazy?

Speaker 5 (35:03):
Is this how we find out?

Speaker 1 (35:04):
Adam read.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
The question?

Speaker 4 (35:08):
Is I was looking for?

Speaker 3 (35:12):
Who asked it?

Speaker 4 (35:13):
Should Clippers take on the risk of an older and
often injured player like Malcolm Brogden.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
They already have once?

Speaker 3 (35:23):
How high is the risk?

Speaker 4 (35:24):
How much were we talking like he was coming off
making twenty million? Now he's an unrestricted free agent? Does
if you can get him on the minimum? That's not
I'm sure mL?

Speaker 5 (35:36):
Is he an MLIGETI the full EML No?

Speaker 1 (35:40):
No, not full five like Adam, like yours act the
vet like.

Speaker 4 (35:50):
I wonder what his market is, where his health sat,
how much of it was just scratches because he was
on the Washington Wizards last year, like.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
He always that's what teams are going to, like have
a market like it always feels like teams are kind
of like poking around about Malcolm Brogden.

Speaker 4 (36:08):
He's serviceable and doesn't have a ton of flaws for
a guard. You know, he can defend, he can shoot,
he's got some size, he's nice.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
Will you went on Brogden?

Speaker 3 (36:22):
Sure?

Speaker 5 (36:24):
I'm tired. I'm tired of.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
More annoying. It over more annoying.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
John Collins saga, Malcolm Brogden, saga.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
At least it's a Malcolm.

Speaker 5 (36:37):
Malcolm Brogden want to like? Actually it happened, so I'll
say that, John.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
Collins, Oh man, how about that? Miles Turner? What if
we made a move for him.

Speaker 4 (36:50):
Sign them to thirty five million a year in CRE agency?

Speaker 1 (36:56):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (36:56):
Thoughts on Pat Beverley being brought back as the third
stream guard?

Speaker 1 (37:01):
Why, I think no? Just can we put a guy
who might play there.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
Who's just being considered the second guard here?

Speaker 2 (37:13):
That's how bad Patrick Beverley is now, so like you
can slot anybody else into the in the second. I
don't like him as the second guard either. How about that?
I like it less as him as the backup point guard.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
He's one of my favorite all time clippers.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
Oh that's I agree.

Speaker 4 (37:33):
I don't know where he's at physically. If I knew that,
I'm good.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
When did he last play?

Speaker 4 (37:41):
I think last year was his first year out where
he played for Israel?

Speaker 1 (37:46):
Right, which how many games was that even he had
to leave?

Speaker 4 (37:51):
He's potting a lot right now that we've.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
Been through the podcast.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
I mean, no more Potters on the team, honestlyring him
on as a consultant coach, bring him on as like
a guy who only like is there for practice and
home games.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Don't bring him on the roster. That'd be cool.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
Pat Bev or Patty Mills.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
I think, man, I think Mills because of the podcast effect,
because I think Pat Bev talking about the team, I
don't think he would be a just but like, I
just don't. I don't want the I don't want Pat
Bev to be not playing and maybe forming opinions about how.

Speaker 5 (38:33):
He's like a barstool guy. I'm going Patty Mills here.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
You're going to about him. Both phenomenal options. Not really
a loss with either one.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
Obviously, I don't have to answer my own question.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
In fact, I refuse. I believe.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
They're both minimum guys. You can't go wrong. I would take.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
Patty Mills is so great for content. I mean Pat
Bev is too.

Speaker 5 (39:03):
I just want towel content during the playoffs was one
of my favorites, that.

Speaker 4 (39:13):
They come out a little less flat in a big game.
If Pat Bev is there, I'm just wondering, I said,
he's the guy starting on the floor. I'm just saying,
could he rally a little bit off the bench?

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Well, so that's what's tough too, is now that he's
been removed from the game a little bit, you know
what I mean, Like he's been off for a year.
I think it might the spirit would be there, but
maybe it would hit it would fall on ears differently.
If it's like, dude, you like, this is the one
thing you're being paid for to fire us up for
this game seven, which already doesn't feel great, since we

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need this to be fired up for game.

Speaker 4 (39:52):
Seven, I'm just not complaining. If he's on the team,
we put it that way.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
I would always bring him.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
In as a coach if he wants to, let's do
that run and sand with the Tims like you did
that one time. Or maybe not because that might have
contribute to Jason Tamson.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
All right.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
Should the Clippers draft someone at thirty or use the
pick in a trade? Should we trade more first round picks?
I think they should only use that pick in the
trade if they're somehow moving up three spots, Like what
do we do it's the thirtieth, Like, I don't know
what's the value of that pick.

Speaker 4 (40:31):
If it squeeze the deal for a good trade, I'm
good with trade again. Yeah, I don't know how deep
this draft necessarily is. I've heard some people say it is.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
Who knows. I just I'll tell you what.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
I don't think it's and I don't think it's thirty
players deep.

Speaker 4 (40:50):
Yeah, well, you can find some dimes in the rough.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
That's true.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
Historically somethings have they have.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
Yes, they found some other things on the rough.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
They found some rough in the rough.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
Yeah. I didn't know how tall Daniel Duor was. Yeah,
we're gonna have some draft the drafts of like a
month Wow, a new season of the show, and about Crazy.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
I think they should keep it all right, Any final thoughts,
thank you for the questions. By the way, everybody, any
final thoughts will on the draft backup point guard.

Speaker 5 (41:25):
I think we're gonna hit it out of the park
at thirty.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
So don there we go. Love the optimism, all right.
Coming up, one more thing about Kaminga I wanted to
talk about because we didn't bring it up when we
were talking about Minga and then dip talk after a
quick audio break.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
Coming up in three two.

Speaker 4 (41:43):
One welcome back in it's clips and dip an off
season addition. So we'll get to our dips in just
a little bit here.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
I'm atam Miles.

Speaker 4 (41:51):
When we got Chuck Marklin and Will up Tech, we
talked about Kmingo a little bit on the last show,
and they were kind of differing opinions, but we maybe
landed in the same spot, like.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
Yeah, maybe for the right price. Cool.

Speaker 4 (42:04):
Apparently the right price for him was not one hundred
and fifty million dollars, which he was reported to be
offered before the season started, a five year, one hundred
and fifty million dollar contract prior to this twenty twenty
four to twenty twenty five NBA season. What is that
over thirty MILLI a year? And he didn't take that,

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so he bet on himself. Is he worth more or less? Now?

Speaker 3 (42:33):
Chuck? You think?

Speaker 2 (42:35):
I think it was a mistake for him financially to
not have taken that deal, is how I view it.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
That's a pretty sweet deal.

Speaker 5 (42:43):
I wonder though, if it was more about like maintaining
some sort of autonomy or mobility in terms of where
he could end up than necessarily just the financials of
the deal, because it does seem like there has been
sort of a disconnect and some discontent between him, uh
and the organization. It just seems like they are not

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aligned and maybe, you know, maybe it had more to
do with that than the actual number. If he is
looking for more after not you know, after not being
featured in the rotation, I feel like that was a
huge mistake. But if he if he was more hoping

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to maintain some sort of maneuverability, I think that that's interesting.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
You know, Yeah. I mean, for reference, he made seven
million dollars.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
He made basically six and a half million dollars per
year the last four years, so he really did bet
big on himself.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
I don't know if he's getting that.

Speaker 4 (43:47):
The max Clippers, the max he can get is two
hundred and twenty four million, and he's not getting that.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
Is he getting more than one fifty though MILLI year?

Speaker 4 (44:04):
He had thirty points the last couple of games in
the playoffs. He's very very intriguing because I do think
this could be a situation where he was just in
the worst spot for his skill set. He happened to
be there, and they also for whatever reason, didn't like him.
And teams are gonna have to vet that and see
if there's attitude issues or anything else going on.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
But man, I would think, you.

Speaker 4 (44:29):
Know, money plays if he had taken the deal, would
that for Steve Kerr to have to play him more? Like,
we gave him this deal regardless if we want to
trade him now, we need to at least show what
he can do. He's got to play some we're paying
him this money, So.

Speaker 5 (44:44):
That's that's a great point.

Speaker 4 (44:48):
I would think he gets around the same, maybe a
little bit less, maybe he gets one twenty.

Speaker 5 (44:55):
I think it's.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
That's what he want, That's all he wanted.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
Yeah, they were screwing me. Yeah, a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
And I think it'll be a four year contract because
can't all the teams only offer him four years?

Speaker 1 (45:08):
Can't? Wasn't the words and the only team able to
offer him.

Speaker 4 (45:11):
Five that I think you're yeah, I think that. Well
that sounds right, Yeah, that sounds right.

Speaker 5 (45:18):
He just wanted because he's a big Tech nine fan.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
Hey, we will not disparage the good name of Caribou
Lou on this podcast. Man, So uh yeah, four for
one four for one hundred was again one of the
chatter is for Kamenica.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
I know Jose fry Ward was in on it. Justin
Russo called me insane for talking.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
About this on the last episode, So it would be
polarizing people would there would be flags planted.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
If the Clippers.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Made a trade for cominga and he was making and
he was on a four for one hundred.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
For one hundred, I think you didn't like that. I
would do that four for one.

Speaker 5 (46:00):
Hundred, I feel like seems pretty reasonable.

Speaker 4 (46:03):
Twenty five year is it a player option in the
fourth year? Pull that receipt.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Three for one ten. That's where okay, three for one
ten feels a little crazy.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
That's a lot over year.

Speaker 3 (46:18):
Okay, but it's.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
That's over thirty a year. That's where I get a.

Speaker 4 (46:21):
Little He's only taking up in the big picture view
of oh, summer of twenty twenty seven, they're going to
have all this money.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
They're still gonna have a lot of money.

Speaker 4 (46:30):
It would still just be Himan to beat to Zoo
Bots in our contract, and he'd be in this final year.

Speaker 5 (46:36):
It would probably be a two plus one. So you
could either keep like, you know, if he opts in, right,
I mean, unless he's total shiit, like you know, you
get to you get to keep him in by the
time the cap has raised, you know, like several years
down the road. It's pretty it's a more insignificant amount
of money, or you know, he can opt out take that.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
Justin Rousseau, No, we love you, justin thank you for
listening to the pod. Yeah, I just him turning it down.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
It was like, because that, in my head plays into
the maybe he's just kind of annoying to be.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
Around factor, which is a very real lot.

Speaker 5 (47:16):
I mean that's a lot of money. That's a lot.
I could not say no to that.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
Yeah, you really got a value where you're going. If
you're going from a twenty four million dollar contract total
to a.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
One fifty million dollar contract.

Speaker 4 (47:32):
Like, maybe the issue is too many years, you know,
maybe five years is too many. He wants to like
a two year prove it period on a team that
will actually play him, and then he could get over
two hundred million dollars.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
I don't like that.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
And that would line up with the Clippers if you
were to sign a two year thing of the trade hmmm.

Speaker 4 (47:58):
I wonder if they would match though that too, because
they're kind of a two year If you look at
where Jimmy Butler and Steph and Draymond's contracts end.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
Well, their cap is, their their books are. I haven't
looked a bunch of it, but I can't imagine they're good.
There's a lot of flexibility with the Warriors right now,
considering Yeah, Butler makes like sixty.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
Mill lakes always paid.

Speaker 4 (48:20):
It's him and Balmer that this new CBA is really
trying to stop, and he seems to be a fan
of Kamingo. There may be disconnect between the owner and
the actual front office and coaching staff and players, but
I think the owner, you know, has a pretty big
say in these things.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
All right, interesting, Well for the chaos, maybe be cool.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
All right, any final comena thoughts before we get to
our dips.

Speaker 5 (48:48):
I gotta go running, grandmad give me one.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
Second, all right, we'll vamp.

Speaker 3 (48:54):
I'm a fan, I'm interested.

Speaker 4 (48:55):
I think the idea of having somebody that's a mystery
box type of player with very high upside this era
of Clippers basketball would be refreshing for a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
It'd be as Yeah, I mean, since there's no draft picks,
this is what the Clippers have to do from a
young exciting perspective is take a sway.

Speaker 4 (49:16):
Yeah, I've been saying like you, I think you're going
to have to take a risk if you're going to
bring in some young guy with that big upside. It's
also it also means that it's not a sure thing
at all.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
Yeah, because he's a young guy, Like these things can
always change.

Speaker 4 (49:31):
I do think the young guys are established, he's not, right.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
That's a great point. And he's also you know, the
Clippers are very heavy veteran led team, as are the Warriors.
So I wonder if how those you know, because like
the vibe check has to be passed a little bit, right,
So like how does he fit into a team like
the Clippers where they're also kind of closing the window?
How successful as a window obviously?

Speaker 7 (49:57):
Like right, yeah, he'll be remembered about the same like well,
like shit, we might pick their popcorn flavor. It's it'll
be interesting to see how that is at play toominga.

Speaker 4 (50:12):
Starting at power forward to figure out him.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
Probably, I mean that's.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
Well, we get ten games of Derek Joe Shooter eventually.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (50:24):
Probably, that's another I think good reason to do. It's
not just that he's a young player. He's a position
of Indeed, I know he's played some small forward too,
and like, isn't that why.

Speaker 5 (50:39):
Do we talked all? Like we all talk ourselves into that.
I feel like we can't. That was one of those
ones where we really like we started like kind of
luke warm on it and then really talked ourselves into it.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
We sold ourselves to the car, is what we did.

Speaker 3 (50:52):
I mean, I'm for it.

Speaker 4 (50:54):
Here's a problem, like he's the thirty three three point shooter.
He doesn't fit the Hey a guy starting next to
to you that can shoot? Also, then it's like more
pressure that you have to start making chots right now because.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
Of the position we put you in.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
Yeah, damn, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
I'm interested.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
Yeah, I'm interested too. Okay, dips we had a lot
of hype. Well, Adam didn't do any hype for his dip.
Will had hype for his dip before we started. I
made a delicious dip that was users submitted.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
Telling you were digging in and knew it must have
been good.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
Oh I finished it.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
It's like, well, the the cheating rounds that I was
eating are gone.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
Uh, who would like to go first? Who would like
to share their dip first? I'll know, all right?

Speaker 5 (51:41):
All right? So I just gotta. I just gotta preface
this with and you guys get to make the call.
I'm either breaking I mean, breaking the breaking the rules
here something right now, breaking the rules here I'm cheating,
or I'm covering new ground that we have not yet
approached in the clips and dip sphere. All right, So

(52:02):
I'll start with my chip A little unconventional on this one.
Have some assorted sashimi here. Wow, I'm counting this as
dip number one. I've gotta. I've got a trio of
dips going on here. Dip number one. You'll notice it's
covered in some delightful per a cocka seasoning. Okay, part

(52:23):
that's part one. Dip two, I've never had this before.
This is a Korean spicy cocktail sauce I cannot pronounce.
I'm so sorry. And dip number two is gonna be
a wait, just a yeah, Dip number three. Really, it's
just gonna be a classic masabi paste that I have
mixed with some some Swiss sauce, a light Swiss sauce.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
So I think the first thing is not a dip
in any way.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
It's more of as.

Speaker 5 (52:52):
Okay, ie, I'm still two. I think I'm still two
out of three.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
I think the other two things are dips that I
also think you don't have to use chips. We don't
have to call the sashimi chips.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
I use like ground beef one time.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
Yeah, like I have read, the innovation is great and welcome,
and we have a very international flare.

Speaker 5 (53:12):
So this will be my first taste of this too.
I haven't I haven't been non. I put it in
the fridge this time because last time, if you tune
into the show, I had a salmon, I had a
salmon damp. It was out here sweating for a whole episode.
It's hot of ship in my apartment. So this time
I put it in the fridge, which is why I
had to leave momentarily. But I'll go with some We

(53:32):
got some salmon going on here in this spicy cocktail sauce.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
Great. This is an expensive thing to possibly bring to
a barbecue too.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
How many pounds of sashimi are you bringing for the
clips into a barbecue.

Speaker 5 (53:43):
It's not the entre. It's just you know, you're just
taking little nibbles, Okay, are you the barbecue? I love
this cocktail sauce. It is the best cocktail sauce.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
I've ever had you put it in the YouTube description,
so maybe they'll see it and send.

Speaker 5 (53:56):
Us Yes, it is so good. It's like, uh, it's
kind of got like a goch jang thing going on
here makes sense. Go to chang is like the first ingredient.
It's very good. It's very very good. To the barbecue
for sure. And let me let me see what's going
on with this sabi. I'm not familiar with this.

Speaker 3 (54:17):
Brand is barbeque. I'm getting to it quick. I don't
want in the sun.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
Adams life.

Speaker 5 (54:24):
While you're not bringing pounds, it's just everyone that just
takes a couple of nibbles.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
Yeah, Adams standing at the picnic table, tapping it going.
I think this is shimi could go here.

Speaker 5 (54:33):
This is a wonderful.

Speaker 4 (54:35):
If it's a really good shashimi, you shouldn't need a dip, right.

Speaker 5 (54:38):
This is a real This is like a real wassabi
because sometimes it's labeled with Sabbie and it's just horse
radish's dyed green. This is the this is the real deal.
I'm giving this a town out of town. This is slapping.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
Yeah, fantastic, Adam, your dip well.

Speaker 3 (54:59):
On the other end of spectrum.

Speaker 6 (55:01):
Yeah's mild cheddar cheese dip with tara sweet potato with
sea salt, chip sport.

Speaker 4 (55:14):
I've gone with it before. Yeah, something a little bit healthier.
I like myself some sweet potato fries and chips. And
I gotta say this, Friedo's mild cheddar really good, really good.
Doesn't have to kick to it, but sometimes it's a
nice little changeup.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
Okay, and.

Speaker 3 (55:31):
With confidence, I.

Speaker 4 (55:32):
Put it right next to the yashimi and go your decision.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
Man, they flip a coin you're giving them. I was
thinking sugar. Okay, So we're two for two on dips.
We have also two dips that are very different ends
of the spectrum. Would both be at home at the barbecue.
Both of these would be hits. I think it's a barbecue.

(55:55):
I went with a submission from Raymond Nasar. He said
on YouTube, thanks for taking my suggestion to submit dip recipes.
I'm from Puerto Rico and grew up eating making mayo ketchup,
so I kind of knew what I was getting into.
It sounds weirder than a taste, which is actually amazing.
Ingredients one to three clothes garlic, depending on your taste.
I did two clothes garlic, three tablespoons of ketchup, one

(56:18):
lime to juice it, and then.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
Half a cup of mayo.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
If you include the garlic, minster the garlic up as
fine as you can mix all the ingredients in a
bowl until it reaches a consistent pink color and even
taste of garlic and live if you included them, enjoy
them with anything that can be dipped.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
I ate this entire episode. You probably saw me. It was,
uh this sound go chiech yournees. This is a phenomenal dip.
This is so good.

Speaker 5 (56:42):
In the US, we call it fancy sauce. Yeah, it
doesn't It doesn't include the lime in the garlic. So
I like this elevation hadn't crossed my mind. We are
raising new levels of innovation on dip on this show.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
Yeah, we got an international flavor, Like I I want
to like mustard fry a burger in This is how
good it tastes. So zank you, Raymond. This was a
phenomenal dip and I would bring it to the barbecue.
And this barbecue, my add is gonna have this is
phenomenal pressure on the maids at this barbecue because the tashimi,

(57:15):
the cheese sauce and the Mayo ketchup are carrying the
pre main course. So I think we went three for
three with dips.

Speaker 3 (57:23):
Right, Yeah. Wilson was questionable initially if it worked out.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
Yeah, Will took us on a journey with is. He
was like, it might not be a dip, it might be.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
Keep something else.

Speaker 5 (57:37):
It just depends on what.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (57:39):
Where you land on. Is a sauce. A dip is
a sauce of sauce, don't I don't know.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
Do we have time for this?

Speaker 2 (57:45):
One more thing, one blast dip thing, and then we'll
get out of here. I almost didn't make a dip.
I made a curry this.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
Week that is phenomenal, but I didn't know if I
could submit that as a dip.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
I know you dip things in curry, but I don't
know if it counts as a dip with respect to
the substantialness of curry as a dish?

Speaker 5 (58:05):
Can it be eaten without a spoon? Like could you
eat the entirety of it with something that you did?

Speaker 3 (58:09):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (58:10):
Yeah, no, then I think it counts.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
For me that counts Okay? Wait, so Adam, where you
out on that? See?

Speaker 4 (58:18):
I don't know I was consistency. If it's too watery,
is that a dip? But then there's some sauces that
are I think dips that are pretty watery.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
So I don't know. This is tough ruling we.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
Did land on.

Speaker 7 (58:30):
I'm not sure hot sauce. I think hot sauce is
a stretch. Hot sauces thought of dip. I was lambasted
for that on this pod. What are my worst takes?
I think my only bad take? Oh that about rafts.
Everything up.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
We will be back with you all next week to
talk some draft cross bracks, because there's a bunch we
could talk about. Since Slippers pick at thirty might have
a special guest. Maybe'll bring Justin rousseaul on to debate
the kaminga thing will really sow some some seeds of discourse. Well,
now that it's the off season, so people cannot only
get fantastic dip recipes and ideas, but send us fantastic

(59:05):
disc recipes and ideas.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
Where could they do that? Where could they voice their
disdain or like of the show.

Speaker 5 (59:12):
Yeah, yeah, I mentioned this on Twitter, but like, yeah,
I mean, I'm losing my shirt on the cost of
these dips doing on off season so please listen to
this show. Watch this show. Tell you friends to listen
to the show. Watch the show. You can listen to
it wherever you get your podcasts. If you have to
listen over on Apple podcast or Spotify, go ahead leave
a little written review. You can comment on Spotify. We'd
love to know what you think. But the best way

(59:33):
to watch this show is probably over on YouTube dot
com at Clippers podcast. But hey, thank you for rocking
with us during the off season. However you listen, however
you watch, we appreciate you.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
We very much do.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
An adam ousland one and this tough week of ex
Clippers stuff one positive thing for this Clippers fans weekends.

Speaker 4 (59:55):
Everybody likes to say the Clippers can draft, but they
drafted SGA.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
I mean ball know or it's pretty clear, pretty clear
he went like eleventh right. How many teams passed on
him and.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
Uh, I think Jerome Robinson went right after him.

Speaker 4 (01:00:13):
How many guys like look at that first round. How
many guys are still in the league. It happens, It
does happen.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
Unfortunately it did happen.

Speaker 4 (01:00:21):
Who will plead with him? Was like never in my
wildest dreams when I have a Bachelor, the MVP. I
think he said that today on his show.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
No one thought he was No one thought, wow, the
MVP fell to that low. But that is positive and
we do appreciate.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
That at him. Is it?

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
We'll take it all right?

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
Thank you for hanging out. Here's to a good weekend,
enjoy some dips and yeah, as always, let's go clips.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
Yes,