Episode 414: Lavar Ball Wants LaMelo On The Clippers, plus Draft Talk (LIVE Edition)

5 days until the NBA draft…who tf will the Clippers be taking?? Adam, Will, and Chuck talk the upcoming draft, LaVar Ball wanting LaMelo to be a Clip, and Amir Coffey's free agency 

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:11):
What is going on? Clippers fans? Welcome to a pre
draft by a week before live hang edition of Clips
and Dip. I am Chuck Mockler joined by Adam Osden.
William Updyke will be here, maybe Josephriah Ward. We're kind
of just shooting the breeze today. Welcome, if you're new,
if you're listening to this, because we're gonna put it out.
You can watch us at YouTube dot com slash at

(00:33):
Clippers podcast. You can hit subscribe to let you know
when we're live, which is always a fun time. We're
gonna talk LeVar Ball. We're gonna talk some of these
Clippers pre draft workouts. There's a betting favorite thing happening.
But Adam, since we have time, since you are taking
time out of a party to be here, which we

(00:53):
do appreciate. What's with the LeVar Ball LaMelo Ball to
the Clippers? Videos like is this? Do we think LaMelo
actually wants to come to the Clippers? What's up? Jeffrey Beil,
tram Oh Adam Bailed, All right, it's just me right now.
So LaVar Ball has made two videos about the Clippers

(01:17):
needing to trade for LaMelo, which the Clippers don't need
LaMelo Ball. I don't even think it's possible to give
the Hornets what they would want. We can get the
fans bow trade machine going, but LaMelo Ball. I don't
want him on the Clippers because it's basically health, health

(01:40):
and the fact that I'm not entirely sure he would
bring as much team's success to the team that other
people do. Exactly Alan, what do oh, Lonzo Ball? I
don't know. Lonzo Ball would be great. Maybe there's health
concerns with everyone in the Ball family. Adam Osland is back.

(02:07):
He almost pranked me in a hilarious way, which would
be here, which would be to be here five minutes
early and then leave as soon as I introduced him.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
I pranked him so good.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
I got him. I was just talking about LaMelo Ball
or LeVar Ball, and do you think this is actually
them communicating something that LaMelo Ball wants or is this
just for funzies?

Speaker 2 (02:33):
I mean, I would think he'd want to just come home,
come back to la and Charlotte doesn't have a ton
going on and a ton of a direction. But he's
getting paid handsomely there. They are invested in him. I
kind of want to see what happens in this draft,
depending on who they get, could that lead to them

(02:54):
moving on from LaMelo Ball earlier than maybe we would
have thought, like if if they were in the hunt
for Dylan Harper. And when we were watching the draft
process with the lottery balls, I thought, if they get
the number two pick, that would be really interesting because
then they'd be in the mix for Dylan Harper. And
then would you want to move on from LaMelo Ball?

(03:16):
And that would make him more in play for somebody
like the Clippers. But who knows. I just think labar
Ball wants his son's home, you know. And I'm sure
they would like to come to la as well.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yeah, I mean I totally understand that. And I don't
know the Hornets are picking Forth. It's weird because I
don't think the Spurs would take Harper, and what no
one knows. I guess what the seventy six ers are
going to do.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
I think the Spurs will take them just because they
have other guards. I think they'll take best available and
figure it out as they go along. If they have
to make another trade, trade Deer and Fox down the line,
or Devin Bussel or Stafan Castle and just see what
you have because unless they get KD, I don't know
if they're necessarily in win now mode next season just because.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
They have Oh, they can't be in win now. There's
no experience to be in win now mode. Like, we
don't know what they look like, what Webby looks. Not
that I don't think he'll be great in the playoffs,
but as we've seen, there can be surprises.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
Unless they Roden KD or brought in and made the
big trade for Johnson's in a kompo, I think Dylan
Harper can still fit in their timeline, even though they
have some other similar players out there. Like to me,
you always should go best fit when you're in a
situation like that, even when you have some of their

(04:38):
talented guys out there. Excuse me, the best player over
just fit. Just take the top end talent because if
you move it down the line, like, there are ways
to reconfigure the team later.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yeah, I like you mentioned timeline. The LaMelo trade also
doesn't fit in the Clippers timeline. I can't imagine what
the Hornets would in return. My big issue with LaMelo
is over the last three seasons, Kawhi Leonard has played
fifty two more games than LaMelo Ball, and those fifty

(05:12):
two games are also more games than LaMelo has played
in any of those three seasons, the max being forty
seven games. So that's like a lot. Maybe I've just
been burned before, but that to me for what we
would have to give up even to make the salaries work,
and I'm assuming we're attaching some kind of draft compensation

(05:35):
if this were to happen, I that that makes me
not interested.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Ankle wrist injuries, And also I don't know if the
proper motivation is there in Charlotte. Like I think it's
clear that LaMelo Ball is a young player and may
have some maturity issues, but it's also just kind of
been a dysfunctional for franchise for a while where they're
trying to find their way, So I don't know, there's

(06:04):
a lot of variables going on. I'm still interested in
him just because he's young enough to overcome those injuries.
You can look at it that way too. People brought
up the Steph Curry comparison. Well, he had ankle injuries
at first and then was pretty much routinely healthy un
till he had that risk injury much later in his career.
My biggest thing is if you're not getting LaMelo, who

(06:28):
you getting, like, who's on the horizon, who's going to
be available later on? Of the young guys. Any young
guy you bring in is going to have some flaws
with a mellow it's playstyle. Does he played winning basketball?
And also those injury issues with Jonathan Kaminga. It could
be playstyle. He's just more of an unknown where his
ceiling is how much money you're going to have to

(06:49):
invest in him for a player that's that unproven At
this point, I just don't know who else is coming. Like,
if you don't take a risk with some of these
younger guys. Luca's about to sign an extension, Sga is
about to sign an extension. You're not going to be

(07:10):
able to get a lot of these guys through free
agency anymore. That's kind of been my position. So I
get you're talking about timeline stuff. Does LaMelo really fit
where the Clippers are at? It depends on what you
give up for him. Would the Clippers then shift into
a different mode if they had a young player like LaMelo?

(07:30):
Because some people think, well, they can't give up right
now because they don't have their draft picks and they
want to still sell out at into a dome, so
you can't just go into a total rebuild. But if
you have a core piece of the future on the
team now, then do you start to pivot in a

(07:50):
different direction where you just start bringing in young guys
and let them grow together.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
Yeah, that's a good call. I do like that kind
of That does show the Clippers shift in kind of
window or intention if they do trade for Lamello, because
they do get younger with that trade for sure, and
him being a local guy and a star would help
fill into it. I want to talk about this take
from Alfredo Rodriguez real quick though. My hot take. The

(08:20):
NBA Finals might determine the Clippers move. If okay Se
wins it, they may trade for Durant. Otherwise they'll stand
working around the margins and looking to improve role players.
I don't necessarily agree.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
I just what's the logic. What is why do they
trade for Durant if ok Se wins it versus if
they don't?

Speaker 1 (08:41):
Well, what is there? Baby? It is interesting now Manty
McNair's in the front office. You've talked about this a
little bit, Adam. This isn't a huge deal, And I
don't mean that as a disrespect to Monty McNair, Like
I feel like this happened and people looked up moves
he's made. Again when he was part of that organization,

(09:03):
You're kings, they weren't functioning at a high level perhaps
Hornet's territory of how they were funcing in terms of
owner and DM stuff. It's not that big of deal, right, Like,
this isn't someone who's going to be picking our draft picks.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
He may have some influence there just because he has
had a pretty solid track record with Draft Fix, but
he's next a he's a voice in the room. There's
still Lauren Shrank below him as Trent Redd and than
below him as Mark Hughes. He's not leapfrogging any of
those people. My understanding, I think it's a good spot

(09:39):
for him because from what I heard, he didn't do
a lot of the calling or wheeling and dealing. He
was doing more of the back room crunching numbers with
analytics and researching on young players that way. But he
wasn't like the vocal guy on the phone making those deals.
That was Wes Wilcox with him before he left, right

(10:01):
before Marty McNair had a parting of ways with the
Kings back in April. So he's done some good things.
There have been mixed results, as there are with any GM,
but you can at least say he had the Kings
with their best with their most successful season in about
twenty years. And it hasn't been easy there, They've been dysfunctional.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
Yeah, he was a big part of I mean, obviously
like that ground swell of hype and belief that Zacramentou
had for a little bit where it was like, oh,
this is this. They're functioning right like they're act They're
doing what you're supposed to be doing, they're making good
organizational decisions, and then they took a hard left.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
But yeah, I for one was very much against the
Halibert move on day one, and even when they made
the playoffs with Sabonis, I was like, guys, this the
ceiling is low, Like this is this was not the
correct move. So I just agreed about that. But it's
also hard to know what did Monty McNair do and
what was influence from ownership in Vivek, because he is

(11:09):
said to be heavily involved at times with basketball operations.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
Yeah, he's a volatile owner. Where you don't know William
Updyke is in the waiting room, but he will be
back in a sec.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
And keep waiting.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
Yeah, it was a meir's birthday on Tuesday and the
Clippers wished him a happy birthday, which was nice. He's
a free agent. He's just still a free agent. Average
three point six MILLI in his contract last year. What
is the market for a mere coffee?

Speaker 2 (11:43):
I think it's taxpayer mid level, So like I think
that's five point seven million, somewhere around six million dollars
because otherwise that's.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
Kind of a lot, no disrespect to a mere coffee.
But all right, we got William Updyke clocking in. William,
how are.

Speaker 3 (12:02):
You clocking into the stream like a clock into work baby?

Speaker 1 (12:07):
Twelve minutes late, right on time. We're talking to mere coffee.
What do you think he because he's a free agent currently, Adam,
you had his value at what like five point seven whatever?

Speaker 2 (12:20):
The I would guess, because like for him to do this,
what was he making four million this year with the Clippers?

Speaker 1 (12:28):
I think I think he was making his average was
three point six.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
So he's looking for some type of phraise and given
how dry the market is, especially for guys at his position.
I think you can get around six million.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
Yeah, Will, would you pay him mere six million?

Speaker 3 (12:50):
Not for not for this team. I don't think. No,
he's not in the rotation.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
I mean that's true.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
Yeah, I don't think he's coming back to the Clippers.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Think he's it's a I'm the further away we get
from that series, the more upset I get that he
wasn't healthier this season, so we could have gotten some
playing time, Yeah, because he looked bad when they played
him when he was back, right like it, I think
it makes sense why he didn't play in the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
Or do you get two minutes against an olden state
in that game? Anto, Yeah, I think.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
He was uh. I think it was minus twelve in
those two minutes. Now, but he just didn't have Like
I think Will's right, Like, if if he's not in
the rotation, it's just not.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
I mean, like, you know, it would kind of suck
to it would kind of suck to see him go
because I have thought of him as you know, one
of the few guys we've really been able to develop,
you know, from a late pick into a rotation player,
but he's just not in the rotation, so I just
don't see a utility there.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
In the role or in the move Of previous Clippers
role players, Tres being the most recent one, do we
think he ends up a laker?

Speaker 2 (14:09):
I think there's a decent chance they do have that
taxpayer mid level to use. I could see it happening.
Yo Ban Boja has talked about it. A little bit
of the athletic that's as possible.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
Formerly of the athletic, Yoban it was his last day
today or the other day.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
I think I didn't know that.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
Yeah, and Dan Whykie's done at the La Times. It
was like kind of a big day.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
In a little bit. I did not know this.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
Forty five minutes ago, he tweeted some news. Today's this
is Dan Wyky, phenomenal reporter. Today's my last day at
La Times. I've been so fortunate to spend eight years
on one of the nation's top newspapers. I'll be sharing
what's next soon, but I want to acknowledge how special
the lat has been to me. So he's he's moving
on to something else. And then Jovann, formerly a Clippers

(15:04):
beat writer, moved on across the hall also said, yeah,
he's departing the athletic it's his final day. He's also
going to tell what's next later in the off season.
So kind of a big shift in LA sports writing
right now.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
Wow, Oh, times are changing. Interesting. So it's like the
Laski and Brad Turner and Dylan Hernandez.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
Yeah, that's it, basically, talk about a talk about a
murderer's row of sports writers. Will wanted to get your takes.
Someone said this in the chat we were just talking
about LaMelo. M says, I just want a young and
fun team again.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
Ah, I'm here, I'm with you. I would just same time,
like a team that occasionally wins some games, and Hornets
haven't done a whole lot of that. I know LaMelo
isn't the only issue there, but I just don't see
that being I just don't see that being that great
of a transition for the Clippers if I'm gonna be

(16:16):
honest for you, but with you and like unless because
of his availability, like you're able to get his next deal,
like well under a max uh the max extension. I
just I don't really know how you can build a
team around that. If you're thinking of you know, just

(16:38):
having a fun team in the intermediate and then you know,
hopefully taking a step or building towards something. I just
don't know if he's the centerpiece, not even I don't know,
he's not the centerpiece to do that around.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
It's in a contract for like four more years, I think. Yeah, yeah,
and that's going on. I mean, are you million a year?

Speaker 3 (17:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Seck, real quick, Adam, your audio is cracking a little bit.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
Just to heads up, Yeah, you're cracking.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
My favorite snack. I can't be bad at it. So
he goes twenty five, twenty six will be thirty eight million,
twenty six, twenty seven, forty one million, twenty seven to
twenty eight forty four million, twenty eight, twenty nine forty
six million, and then twenty nine thirty which I think
we can kind of probably lop off twenty eight twenty

(17:32):
nine because they'll probably sign an extension in between. Yeah,
but I guess I guess what I'm saying for agent
twenty nine.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
Yeah, So that is one thing is like he he
is under contract for a long time, and with the
cap going up, maybe that looks better. But like the
turnaround time on this is longer than three seasons to
build around Mello into some sort of contender, right Like,
there's no fucking pathway right now to where if we
make whatever the trade is to get LaMelo whatever we

(18:00):
half left to build a contender around that. I think
it's going to take more than three seasons, and at
that point you're looking at resigning, and then things get
very messy. They're already messy with the cap where it's
at right now. If he's making forty million dollars a year,
I just don't think you can go around that.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
Out of your back.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
It depends on I guess who that other guy is.
I just don't know. Okay, you don't want Mellow, you
don't want Trey, you don't want Kaminga. Who are we getting?
Guess who's the next? Who's the next guy?

Speaker 1 (18:34):
What's Trey's contract?

Speaker 2 (18:38):
Trey as one year? Yeah, this is it's a player option.
After this year, he's going to opt out. He could
be available.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
And that contract will be crazy because he is opting
out of a forty nine deal.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
But I think the I think the reasoning is, the
thinking is is that they're not going to offer him
the max. So if they can't come to an agreement,
like he's gonna most likely be shipped.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
Gregory L would ask Hi, why would it take three
seasons if Kawhi, Harden, and Zoo are still on the team,
So who's can co exist on the court? Yeah at
the same Yeah, that doesn't really work that well. And
then especially because you're giving up a lot of role
players in that scenario who are available.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
Ish, I guess DJJ had some had some injury issues
and norm I mean this was well not his least
healthy season, but not not what we had hoped for
from a health perspective. I gotta be and I gotta
be real too. I gotta be real too, like be

(19:53):
real forget about let's even forget about Harden. Does Kawhi
have twelve wins at like the you see the level
of physicality and like the level of the game is
played at now in the postseason, does Kawhi, as the
best player on a team, have the physicality to drag
a team through twelve wins to make the finals? Because

(20:16):
I don't know. I gotta be real with you, I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
Not as the best not as the best player on
a team.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
It is a fragile duo with LaMelo and Kawhi.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
Well, and if you're training for LaMelo, Let's also be
real here, you're giving up both those first round picks
because that's probably what it's going to take. And then
the Magic because they don't have anybody that's the centerpiece
of the deal to try to match salaries with Melow
that would be that enticing. I think for the Charlotte Hornts,

(20:53):
why would they want to package so much around Norm
and DJ and Bogie for Melo? So they therefore, you're
probably giving up twenty thirty and twenty thirty two to
make them do this deal.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
Can we trade twenty thirty two?

Speaker 2 (21:08):
You can after July first?

Speaker 1 (21:10):
Yeah, this year. I like what Noah Bullock says, that's
like a once in a blue moon health overlap. Yeah, unfortunately,
probably correct. What's the speaking of contracts, I should look up.
Harden's deadline is quasi soon.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
It's June thirtieth, Yeah, for.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
Ten days for him to opt in or out, which
everything the scuttle butt suggests he will be opting out
and signing a contract that lines up with Kawhi's deal
year wise.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
So we all assume. But it's been pretty quiet and
what if James Harden wants three years. I just that
would cause a big shake up. I think then we're talking. Okay,
if Harden's not coming back, now do you trade Kawhi
because he wants to be on a team as can
like what happens would that could be a huge ripple effect.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
If Harden, I will say, I hadn't thought about this
until you just said it, which means I have analyzed
it for forty seven seconds. But if if Harden doesn't
come back, then I say, yeah, like let's ship Kawai
right like then let's then let's then screw it, Let's
go like as young as we can with big trades
or something like that.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
Then yeah, then keep keep zoo and just trying to maximize.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
Value, like if hard because Harden is I know we
all appreciated what Harden did for very good reason, but
like you take him off this team? Who a who? Like?
What does this team look like if Harden isn't able
to gut out the regular season?

Speaker 3 (22:48):
Well, especially with especially with the Normentury, this is the
team that can barely score as.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
Is right the game against the Piss and it kind
of turned the season around that second nut of a
back to back when things were looking pretty rough after
the All Star break, Like, what does this team look
like without James Harden? Like that's a and again, in
this scenario, like Adam pointed out, we're losing him. We're
not trading him for anything. He's just not He's opting

(23:18):
out inside with another team. Like that's that's tough. Chris
Dunn and Norm Power the starting backcourt. It didn't feel good.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
I mean, it's not a fifty win team.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
Telling you that, right, Like Adam, where you are, like,
if Harden doesn't come back, I like that idea, A
noted Adam. Oh see, I called him out. I called
him out and he left.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
No. Well, because in that scenario two, you're also losing
Harden for nothing exactly, which like that that'd be a
little bit of a tough pill to swallow. That like
back to back free agencies where you lose a player
for nothing. With the Paul George thing, I mean, we
had to do it because of contracts stuff. But yeah,
Adams back, Adam, you were you were thinking I took

(24:06):
a thing too hard.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
I couldn't handle that blow it up scenario for the Clippers, obviously.
I couldn't wrap my mind around it. I couldn't wrap
my Wi Fi around it. That would be that's the
big domino. I keep saying that, Like what if Harden
wants three years? Like, does that change everything with the Clippers?
Really do that? Because this could be seen as he's

(24:32):
thirty six, he wants one more deal, three years, one
hundred million, one hundred and twenty million, something like that.
I think he could make that argument. Now the Clippers
gave up a first round pick for him, So are
they pop committed? Do they feel like they have to
do it? I don't know.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
I like this take from Nova writer who I did
just ask if they actually write for Nova. No contender
has the cap space he would want, because that's the
other thing he probably Let's think about it. We talked
about like, you know, this is LaMelo's best shot to
make something happen with a team. Probably Harden's best shot
too if he wants three years.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah, right, Like, no, that's a good point. Everybody talks
about Brooklyn is the only team that has cap space
this summer, and I don't think they're running it back
with James Harden. So does he have a ton of leverage?
Probably not, and the Clippers don't either, Like they lose him,

(25:33):
who are you getting who's replacing that production?

Speaker 1 (25:38):
Come on down?

Speaker 2 (25:41):
Yeah, don't be surprised if his two years eighty million.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
Yeah, I think two years eighty million is something we
should all be prepared for, which is worth it.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
Yeah, I'm not mad at that.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
If the Clippers stick to this plan, it's worth it.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
Like I know, people, as long as we're getting all
these contracts to line up, you know, So, like Zoo
is the only person on the roster, we can finally
build around a true star. That'd be great.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
So like this is like why not blow it up?
We can still be competitive and blow it up now,
can't Also blowing it up? Really blowing it up means
trading Zoo. That the value he's.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
The well in terms of getting value back, Yeah, like
Zoo Zoo's the only way you're getting a good first
round pick.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
Like we're not trading Harden for like multiple first round picks.
Kawhy is not going to be traded for multiple first
round pick. Like, blowing it up I think is a lot.
And we'd also we wouldn't be competitive. How would we
be competitive if James Harden's off the team and Kawhi's
off the team. We have young guys in draft picks.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
Yeah, in the Western Conference based off of what in
this hypothetical, like what type of blank canvas are you
working with? And say I can still find a way
to make us competitive this season. Blowing it up.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
I mean in terms of a competitive we're talking about
where this team would be if just even hard and.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
Work exactly right. Like they had to win what like
ten of their final twelve to not end up in
the play in this year, and it cost him in
the playoffs. I like this point by Ghost, and I
do want to talk about this for a sec. Ghost says,
we're getting us the six to fourth center from Asia.

(27:24):
So the Clippers' workouts have been like I thought I
was maybe we were maybe getting pranked or this isn't
real news like the Clippers recently. If you listened to
A two episodes ago, we broke down their workouts where
they've had some real workouts and some like marketing interesting.

(27:48):
Two days ago they worked out the Bhutan Jokic for
a training camp invite. They also invited dead Eye three
point shooter of Nepal Himalaan Basketball League for free agent
workout last month, like they're working out guys who are
like a six eight center or like their highlights are

(28:09):
them playing outside? Just like I, I don't. I haven't
seen enough news about actual draft workouts. Not that I'm like, oh,
the thirtieth pick, it could be Yoki or something like that,
but like the only real one they've done is like
Lamont Butler, Like am I freaking out too much about these?

(28:30):
Or like I don't know it? I appreciate it. I'm
very much in the weeds on it. Honestly, this is
how locked in you need to be.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Does everyone else's Reddit page have the same workouts going
on that the Clippers are doing?

Speaker 1 (28:49):
I checked it. I checked. No one's working out like
shout out dominic Dar, like no one else is working
out dark No one else is working out six three
guys who averaged two point two stocks in the Malaysian League,
Like I don't. May again, maybe I'm putting too much
stock in it? Wait not, we don't. Did anyone dare

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us to be different? Do we have to do?

Speaker 2 (29:16):
We dared ourselves?

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Yeah? I think they did work out a Filipino prospect
at some point, because that was kind of a crazy
like in turn, if you're doing the countries are doing,
it does feel kind of crazy to not work out
someone from the Philippines. So I I am reading too
much into it, and I just need to just relax.
And the thirtieth pick is going to be fine.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
Or traded.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Maybe it's traded. What does norm in the thirtieth get us? Okay?
I do like this note from Gregory. It has to
be the agent's taking over because it's so funny. If
you go to the Clippers sub reddit, it is hilarious.
All right, So I'm reading too much into it. I
did see we got tipped off to a prospect whose

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name I'm going to share the screen here because I
can't pronounce his name and I don't want to try
because I don't think I could do it. This guy
in the Serbian League, I'm not mad at ith. Yeah,
why not? He's twenty years old. He's averaging fourteen seven

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and three in the Serbian League last year. They think
he'll be good from three in the NBA. He's mocked
at thirty five, but like, well, I don't know about you.
If you're mocked from thirty five, you could probably go thirty.
And I don't think people would be upset, right.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
No, I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
Go anywhere sixty three percenturi, he could go anywhere. He
could even go top ten. Let me zoom it a little.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
Nobody wrote it down piece of paper and put in
the pocket.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
Yeah, you pancake eating motherfucker. So like he's got this
to shooting, Like I don't know, he shoots. It's not
high volume obviously, but he can shoot. And he's young. Like,
who says, no, here, my god, let me turn this down?

Speaker 2 (31:22):
Like, why do the Yale guy? This is something that plagued.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
Yale guy first.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
A little bit too.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
But I was checking the Yale guy. He's mocked higher.
Yale guy is mocked. Like, but Adam, here's a question.
If you're mocked twentieth, could you also go thirtieth.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
Yeah, guys could drop that far for sure, especially with
the unknowns in this draft.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
Yeah, I think twentieth. Being mocked twentieth is the cutoff
for you could kind of go anywhere. And I don't
mean that disrespectfully to the prospects.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
From everything I've heard one through nine. Cool, we know
what's going on, we know who could be drafted there,
we know who the top two picks already are, and
after nine things get a little bit hazy. And that's yeah,
because guys are staying in college because they can make

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more with nil. And next year's draft's going to be
much deeper, but this year's going to be thinner at
the back half of the first round. So I don't know.
There could be teams taking some real chances. There could
be guys who really drop.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
You talk about taking a chance. Why don't the Clippers
take a chance on Dominic Dar?

Speaker 2 (32:44):
Is that the five to six guy?

Speaker 3 (32:46):
That's who you want with thirty?

Speaker 1 (32:48):
I want Dominic Dar at thirty. He averaged fourteen in
a community college on thirty seven field goal percentage. They
liked him, they had faith. That usage is.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
Crazy church league legend.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
Maybe there was someone in the YouTube comments who said
that he was a substitute teacher for their health class
at one point in high school, which was really funny.
That's sick, all right. Another thing that's happening. There's not
a whole bunch happening with the Clippers. The Clippers are
a betting favorite to land Terry Rosier, which is ironic

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if you know anything about Terry Rozier's recent off the
court situation. He's part of a huge gambling probe. He's
a twenty six million dollar expiring deal. He's very bad,
and again he's being investigated into a gambling probe. This
isn't happening right, Like the Clippers would have to get

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a first round pick to take this contract on, Am
I wrong?

Speaker 2 (33:53):
They'd have to get something. They definitely have to get
a younger player out of it, and they weren't interested
in him. A couple of years ago, reports said I
wouldn't totally put it past him. Plus he's only thirty.
It's you know, can you revive his career as well?
I don't buy into the numbers that all of a
sudden he is that bad since he left Charlotte and

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then like the second half of that season was really
bad in Miami and it continued last season two. It's
probably not that bad. It's just for whatever reasons, it's
a fit issue.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
Yeah, Well, if you can't fit in with the Heat culture,
you know what we know is the pinnacle of professional
sports environment, where can you fit I don't actually believe that. Well,
you would you need a first round pick to take
Terryro's your own?

Speaker 3 (34:46):
Yeah, solely because of the fit and the guards and
like just the glut of guards we already had.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
Yeah, also, who's going out and they're not giving us
where there's no way that they're giving us where in
the Terry Rosier deal. I would love that, but that's not.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Gonna Happenjimi Hawk is back to SoCal. I wouldn't hate that.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
I'd be fine with that, But yeah, what do we
trade them? Because we have to give them twenty six
million dollars in contract? I would say, norm is that
Norman Bogie.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
That's thirty six? Isn't that closer to thirty six?

Speaker 1 (35:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (35:26):
Yeah, oh but you're so Yeah, that would work. That
might work depending on who you're taking that.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
I think he might be starting in the back hoorn
next to Harden if they brought him in. Damn is
that is that wild?

Speaker 1 (35:47):
I would hate that.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
I called him in the past, like you know, premiere
Reggie Jackson with his style of play, but it obvious
he hasn't looked good the last year and a half.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
Yeah, and does the does the gambling probe scare you
guys off? And all for maybe trading for a player
who might.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
Not gonna do it twice.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
If there's one thing, I already got it out of
the way. If there's one thing.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
Anything, I'm more worried about every player who hasn't been
busted in a gambling because it's just waiting to happen.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
The thing is they set the precedent of Mpj's brother
got banned for life, right, yeah, so, and they can
afford to do that with him because he wasn't a
big name and they could make him the example. But
now the boy was to scare everyone else away from
ever doing that. This is from a game in like

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twenty twenty three, I think, where Terry Rozier left the
game early with an injury and there were an inordinate
amount of bets on him to go over in that game, I.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
Would argue that here's the thing about a gambling addiction.
Maybe it you serves the real world consequences of what
you're into, right, Like Jontay Porter, like he did not
need to get it was like a fifty thousand dollars
bet and he had like a two million dollars a
year salary. Like, it's not.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
I don't know, anyone may be waiting. People could just
teams could be waiting to see how that investigation goes.
But right, that's a weird line.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
Yeah, if he's expiring, doesn't that kind of also fit
with the Clippers timeline though, because like if he's expiring,
then he's just off the team and we like get
a first round pick or a useful player out of it.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Yeah, if they have to give him up, they have
to add something to entice teams to take him at
this point.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
Yeah, especially too, like that seems like a lot the
Clips would have to get a player because we're giving
up guys that we again, we need everyone on this
roster who is like tradeable, right, like yeah, of course, yeah,
like we out we over punched a little bit last season,

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a little bit, not a lot, but fifty wins is
a very good season for that roster that we had,
So anyone we give up is like we're we're losing
a little bit, like in terms of utility.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
Yeah, let's see what happens with this one.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
And also this this goes back to the thing I
think we talked about it last week or two weeks
ago of like the Clippers are the betting favorite, so
like at this point, it's just like people were like, oh,
maybe the Clippers need Terry Rozier. Like betting people listening
to this, betting favorites are not indicative of where a
player is going, I would say, in almost any way.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Yeah, is it just based off the fact that they
were interested in him a couple of years ago? Is that?
Why is the betting favor with the Clippers?

Speaker 1 (39:13):
I don't know, right, Will? How much money did you
put on this? You put quite? You put your nest
egg on this? Right?

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (39:19):
Yeah, you know me, I'm gonna I'm not gonna have
a shirt at all. Yeah, if this doesn't happen, but like, yeah,
they have to send out something of value because honestly,
nor Norm plus Bogie for Terry Rozier salary to match

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in a first round pick, to me.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
Is not enough.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
Enough.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
Yeah, for what the Clippers need as well? Right if
it's like done Bogie or because you don't need Don
and Rosier on the same team, they should never share
the court together.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
But they would have you considered that.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
But to lose Norm, which you know he has as
fall as a player, but provides something that this team needs,
and Bogie, who had his ups and downs. But I think,
you know, I think with a little bit more time.
I think that they could find a fit for that.

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But yeah, that's it's like that doesn't seem like enough
value to me.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
You're a shrewd GM, which I appreciate, pat Riley.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
One first round pick, and it's the heat, so it's
not like it's not a top ten pick.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
It's not gonna be a great pick.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
And you're gonna lose, like you're gonna win thirty games
that season, maybe like you're probably gonna win thirty five
games that season, so you're gonna have a shit season.
And like you get a middle like you know, you
get like maybe it's a lottery pick. I doubt it.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
Well, all this betting talk has scared me out of here. Guys.
I'm gonna f peace out.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
Adam, thank you for popping in. Enjoy Norcow. You're in Sacramento.
You are not in the Bay which everyone knows. There's
a difference.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
No Betton, no bats, no Bay Area tools here.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
Right, let's go A's let's go Sacramento.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
And as for years, all right, be good, guys.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
See buddy, all right, Nova Rider had this take that
they said that everyone would dislike if we aren't buying
medium on John Collins with Norm's contract, and Norm wants
an extension within the thirty million dollar range, and there's
a real argument to try and go get Jamorrow.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
No one's giving Norm thirty million dollars.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
I do hate that idea. No a rider Damar DeRozan,
Where Damar and Kawhi on the same team? What does
that do to us?

Speaker 3 (42:08):
Fun? It's fun, it's funny, It's very funny.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
We would have we would be Team California. We would
be the most like you got like we have. We're
Team so cal all the way if that happens. But
the spacing would be atrocious.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
I don't like. Yeah, I don't like the spacing. I
don't like the defense. What's a winning team with Damar Hunt?

Speaker 1 (42:37):
You had Chris done to the starting lineup and Norm,
so you're starting four guards. You got Zoo out there,
he can guard three through five. We're kind of good.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
No, I'm not a fan.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
Well, how excited are you for this thirtieth pick? Will
this make a difference? Is this the least consequential pick
the Clippers have had in sometime?

Speaker 3 (43:00):
All of them? Haven't all of them been into and
three era? Any pick that we've controlled the rights too.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
This one feels even less important if that makes sense
for some reason to me, nov Rider's saying, you really
don't think there's a way that Norm can find a
twenty eight to thirty million dollar extension with some team.
I don't know, man, that's a lot of money.

Speaker 3 (43:19):
How many years as how many years are less on
his dealer right now? Because he's I guess he's too.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
Here's my question, did lou Will ever get thirty mil?
Because I think lou Will is kind of the archetype
of where Norm is at. But I don't. I don't
think he only scores. I love Norm, but all he
does is score, and I don't I'm not saying this
team needs scoring.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
We all know that, and he doesn't always even do that.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
But you know, he plays pretty good free safety defense.
But they've never had him run the pick and roll,
like he just doesn't do enough. Like lou Will was
part of the most efficient pick can roll at one
point of all time with Trez, and like Norm do that.
I don't think. Maybe he can't. We haven't seen it, but.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
I don't know. He's thirty two, he'll be he'll be
thirty three at the end of the season. So I
don't know, man more than four for one hundred for
a guy who's thirty three years old and like likely
like a six man type of role on a on
a championship team, Like I don't. I do respect you

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think he gets more than four for one hundred.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
I do respect. No, three years old saying I don't
like it either. That's that's fair. Goofy As saying this
pick feels more important because it's gonna be a player
going forward from the Koira. That's why I'm saying it's
not important because it's the last pick like this. She's
gonna be in the G League this year probably, and
then there's another year of Kawhi, So I don't know.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
No, they're gonna be in the starting line on taking
Norm spat. Yeah, we gotta drive, we gotta drive down
the town.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
We get that Yale guy on here. It's over. Ghosts says,
one of the best players to watch in Clippers history.
Getting compared to Norm, Well, that's what the arch type is, right,
like pure scorers, who don't. I mean, Lou's defense was
worse than Norms, but they effect he was old, he
was older. Yeah, but they do the same thing. You

(45:32):
know what I mean, like just in terms of contract stuff, like, no,
Lou William's passed. That's true. He is the only player
to have a thirty point triple double off the bench,
right against Chicago that the snow game. I'm gonna do
some research on that real quick.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
And with the Clippers he made seven, eight and.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
Eight, right, like if Lou can't. Yeah, so Lou Williams
has one triple for sure. Yeah, yeah, Lou has one
triple double in his career and it is off It's
a thirty one point ten rebound Tennis's triple double, I believe,
off the bench against Chicago when the Clippers were all

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snowed in and everything. Remember that. Yeah, yeah, he's the
first bench He's the only person who will ever do that.
I think we can safely say, can you think of
any other bench player who could get a thirty point
triple double? God, Louiams ruled so hard. Great call that

(46:43):
Mexican Nara who was a passer. See, so what I'm
saying is Lou Williams did more than Norm Powell. So
I don't This is a long, very long way to
say something that both will and not agree on, which
is Norm Powell will not be getting twenty eight million
dollars per year. It is weird to think about the
Norm trade because a lot of people who want to
trade Normal like, well, Norm can get us a first

(47:05):
round pick and some value, And you're like, I don't
think he can't, like a first round from a contender.
So a team again kind of will to your point
that like won't be bad.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
Yeah, it's not a lottery pick.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
It's not a lot of pick. And if everything is
a very late first rounder, late first rounder. And so
here's the thing that Will and I were talking about
that if anyone can answer, would be great. If you're
a team that's going to compete, right and you're like, oh,
we're going to be not a play in team, we're
going to be in the playoffs, and you really believe

(47:44):
in it, and you just say, if it will be
in the second apron and your pick is going to
be the thirtieth or whatever, it is, like, what if
we trade Norm and we end up getting a team
that is oh yeah in that second hell right? Like
is that how that works? You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 (47:58):
Totally, I could see you getting a first round pick
for Norm in that type of scenario where it's like,
we don't care about this pick. It's you know, it's
likely going to be twenty thirty. Yeah, here's a first
round pick.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
We're over this, like a team already over the second
Apron who really wants to make a run, gives you
their first for Norm, which is going to be the
thirtieth pick, no matter what. Yeah, it's that makes shit
weird too, And if we're wrong, please put it in

(48:29):
the comments. I'm sure we're not totally accurate, but it
feels like something teams would do. Nova writer's onto something
they say. They bring it up because I don't know
what the realistic best case scenario for a Norm trade is.
It's literally just John Collins are being put into a
bigger deal for a third start. Yeah, that's kind of accurate.

(48:51):
Like there's not a lot of like wiggle room right now.
The free agent class is bad.

Speaker 3 (48:59):
And Sons are second apron, right.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
Yeah, I looked at him. It's like, I love this
logic so much. Clipper's preference as of late has always
been a player with at least an All Star appearance.
Colins is not made the ALSAR game. Get them off,
Get them off your list, everybody, what does dunk contest
do anything for you?

Speaker 3 (49:20):
He dunked over an airplane.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
I believe they dunked over an airplane. That was a
cool dunk tribute wise. Okay, I'm gonna look up the
Sun's payroll, which ones have to type some of the mute.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
I'm positive there, dude, I'm positive they're over the second apron.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
Will you have for like fifteen seconds?

Speaker 3 (49:35):
Yeah? So, I like, I'm positive that the sons are
over the second apron. So they can't like, they can't
aggregate salaries to come back. So that's like another thing
that's gonna make the KD move very weird, very weird. Okay,
I'm back, because you can't aggregate salaries, so.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
So they are per this I would say, incredibly extensive.
Uh post they are seven million dollars over the second apron,
with or without a KD trade, So they are like
locked into that second apron. They've been so messy in

(50:18):
the kitchen. They have fully put the second apron off.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
Okay, but you can still send it out. You can
still send it out multiple salaries. You just can't do
business with a another second second apron team.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
Basically, well, they you can't aggregate salaries in the trade.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
No, but they can, like we can aggregate salaries going out.
They just wa yeah, yeah, the Clippers could. Yeah, so
we could combine smaller contracts to take on kds, like
they can take on more small like small contracts that
are that are equal. They just can't aggregate salaries going.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
They couldn't trade for Harden if he was making eighty
mel by putting guys together.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
Yeah, which makes things difficult too if you want to
involve with thirteen, because then it just gets really messy.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
So here's the thing too. If you stay over the
second apron, if it's your third year over the second apron,
that's when your first round pick is frozen. A the
year after that, the twenty thirty two first unk is
frozen and that pick slides the thirtieth overall. So this
is so weird, dude, I don't understand how this shit's

(51:28):
gonna work, because some team's going to figure out how
to take advantage of this where they're not in the
second apron and then somehow they trade a first round
pick that's four years down the line and they I
don't know, So they are firmly a second apron team
like that is, and Katie doesn't want to go to
the Wolves or whatever. I don't know. Man, they're fucked.

(51:50):
That's awesome. I hate the Suns.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
Yeah, apparently they weren't fistfighting.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
Now that I do believe that would that would be insane.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
Dude, like would have heard about it do a hundred poul.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
During the season, someone in that locker room have said up.
But I also this is my issue too with like
NBA fandom in general is so like online, including the media,
you know what I mean, Like it's a very Twitter
heavy like social media based media thing, and so like
when player when ex players do things like lie like

(52:31):
whether they're like the soides were fighting or like I
could score eighty one points, it actually seems easy everyone
because they're so ut exactly everyone because there's so online
just like digests it. And then it's like, well that
was a crazy thing to say. I mean, like yes,
but none of this is true, like yeah, and it's
also such a formula where it's like oh, you can't
you don't play in the Big Three, or you just

(52:53):
got kicked out of the Puerto Rican League because you
were like losing it with fans just go on a
podcast and lie a bunch and then maybe you'll get
the Kendrick Perkins job. You know what I'm saying. Like,
it just feels like the pipeline is just lie, Like,
just lie a bunch and I like it, and we'll
put you on TV Nova. Rider brings up a good point.

(53:16):
I find it funny Katie back. He didn't back off.
He was just like, I don't want to smoke with
you specifically, which is fair that that's a business decision
that I think was correct. I don't know, Will do
you have any thoughts on the Clippers off season? How
are you feeling? I feel bleak, and I think maybe
that's just because the world in LA is crazy right

(53:38):
now and the team is kind of just probably running
it back next year.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
Yeah, I don't know. There's there's a lot going There's
a lot going on in the world. There's not a
whole lot to be necessarily excited about running back the
same roster, but a little bit older, uh, things to
look forward to. Are you know, zoom maintaining this this momentum?

(54:03):
I mean, we still do have a top center in
the league, which you know is like unless they're at
a yogic level isn't gonna win a championship, but it's
still a nice it's it's still a nice feather to
have in your cap. And who knows what what if
we did do something with thirty, Like what if we
even got a rotation level player? Can you imagine how
exciting even just that would be? Can you imagine how

(54:25):
exciting a rookie who got any amount of time would
be on this squad of old wild hogs.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
That at point, honestly they.

Speaker 3 (54:34):
Don't even have to be that good, just like, if
they could.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
Get better than the threshold, right if they.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
Could regularly soak up five seven minutes a game, like,
could you imagine I would be? I would be over
the moon. I would be over the fucking moon.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
Dude. If we got a guy who like whoa like
X center that the Clippers drafted might be able to
chip in like you said, eight and it's a game, dude,
that would be That's I've never thought about how low
my bar is uh for like draft excitement, well like,
but we just haven't had.

Speaker 3 (55:10):
An excite like an exciting young guy in a while.
I feel like, just can we just get that much?
Like they don't even have to be a future All Star,
MVP caliber guy. If we had somebody who could play,
if we had if we had somebody who could play,
a rookie who could play even a little bit on
a regular basis, I'd be over the moon, buddy. I'd

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get the jersey immediately.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
And the thing that's rough is like, because the Clippers
haven't drafted a center or like, you know what I mean,
Like I and I know that we host the Clippers podcast,
I could not tell you who the the San Diego
Clippers center was last year. So I'm sorry for that.
But you know what I'm saying, like they're not going
to be good in the like, it would be awesome

(55:54):
if the Clippers somehow, maybe I am excited for the
thirtieth pick. Maybe meybeing in the weeds about these workouts
was correct because this is an important thing.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
And you never know, I mean, like, that's not the
most insane outcome ever. You never seems it seems doable.
You never will happen, but it's doable.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
But we do have a body of work from the
Clippers draft lab that does tilt pache that is absolutely correct.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
Uh No.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
The writer is a cam Christie believer. A lot of
people believe in Cam Christie kind of around I would
say around the team too. That's some scuttle but we've
heard is that people like cam Christie. Yeah, I would
love to see it. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:50):
Also, like goofy A is saying in the chat, there
are some teams in the Western Conference in a much
worse spot. So I guess be glad is something to
look forward to during the season too.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
That's the other funny thing too, because it's like people
are like, let's blow it up, let's do this other thing.
I'm like, could you Okay, So if you hate watching
this team when they're losing or when they're winning fifty
games and like, yeah, they're not going to win the championship.

Speaker 3 (57:16):
Uh wait, people hated watching this team during the regular season.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
Well, they the idea of the team that but you
know what I'm saying, they hate the team that's going
to be competitive in the regular season, but ultimately you
know that in the playoffs the deck is stacked against you.
I guess people have voiced concern against that. I'll tell
you what, I don't want to see a team suck

(57:43):
ass and not have a draft pick. All right, we
have a super chat from Jimmy Williams. You think Zoo
is the only untradeable clipper unable? Honestly, I might wait,
hold on, this is a two part question. We're gonna
take the first part, which is has written untraceable. I
think Kawhi might be the only untraceable clipper, but I

(58:04):
think Zoo might be two will agree or disagree?

Speaker 2 (58:08):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (58:10):
I agree, but I think Zoo is maybe the most untraceable.
He's got all sorts of foreign contacts and he can
he's away. He could disappear pretty easy if he wanted
to do.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
Yeah, dude, a born reboot with Zoo is born would
be pretty sick. The Zoo identity.

Speaker 3 (58:28):
Doesn't make any sense. He can't blend in anywhere. Wellspionage
is like not sticking out a whole bunch.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
I think, wait, no, the bit is ever going. You're
a Viza Zoo bots and he just can't remember so
and then Jimmy Williams, thank you by the way for
this super chat. Uh he said he amended it untradable
in terms of a realistic deal for the Clippers if

(58:59):
they can't. I think he's untradeable outside of like a ya,
honest deal. But I woulda be honest, if you trade Zoo,
there's the center of rotation is garbage, Like it is
the worst in the league. Uh so what I'm saying, Well,
that's a very good point. Okay, so we'd be better
than the Suns at the center. But would you say

(59:20):
he's untradeable.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
Looking at the contracts, I mean he's set up to
be like the only the only player under contract, so
you know, that would be some indication to me that yes,
they do plan on moving forward with him. I think
he's also though, like we're talking about, like he is

(59:50):
the most attractive option in terms of a of a rebuild,
like if you want to get if you want to
get some sort of first round picks, especially now, or
like even get some of your picks back, which I
don't see happening.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
But uh.

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
Yeah, I would say he's largely untradable unless they just
unless they fully decide to hit the reset button and
they have some sort of fire sale. But I just
think with the new arena and stuff like, I don't
think they have any intention of like fielding a non
competitive team. I don't think they have any interest in

(01:00:29):
fielding a team that can't win forty three games at like,
which is yeah, in the Western Conference. I mean, I
know that's like, it doesn't sound that impressive, but like
that's not it's not easy.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
And he's also making like so in this current iteration, right,
so he makes no money for the value and what
he brings to the Clippers. He makes eighteen million next year,
nineteen and a half year after that, twenty seven to
twenty eight, it's twenty one million dollars. He's under contract
for three more seasons. Yeah, at an incredibly good deal.

(01:01:02):
So like I think he's untradeable.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
Yeah, and they're gonna Oh I like.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
This point, uh from type your name, how it's supposed
to be pronounced starting the season with a fully healthy team,
Kawhi included, and still consider an underdog. I'm good with that.
I like that Kawhi isn't excellent. Are you ready to Jim?
Are you related to gym legacy? Uh? I like this

(01:01:32):
take because sometimes that you have to let like we
got the fully healthy training camp, no one's actually hurt,
which is unfortunately a huge deal for the Clippers team.

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
Right, yeah, absolutely absolutely, And like I you know, I
guess I'm kind of grim on it. Just in terms
of I'm watching the finals right now, and so you know,
right now, like this second, Well, I got the script,
so I'm thumbing through that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
You paid some high school basketball players to reenact Game seven,
so you are you're locked in?

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
Yeah, yeah, I'm thumbing through the script right now.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
Excellent. Okay, MK, excellent, Thank you, MK, excellent. Sorry are
you related to Jim Legacy? Does anyone know who Jim Legacy?

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
I forgot even Oh, I'm watching the I'm watching the finals, so,
like you know, there's just no path as currently constructed
for the Clippers to get there. So I guess I'm
a little bit down on that. But this was a
hell of a fun regular season, and I you know,
I actually like I need to recheck in on it
because I feel like I've soured on it because of
the way that things ended. But it was There were

(01:02:47):
some rough times, but overall it was a lot of
fun along the way.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
You're gonna are you gonna rewatch all eighty two before
next season? Probably probably probably run it back. We got
the I mean we have, I got every tape on VHS,
Caine Carter saying come up with Kawhi trades. I don't
know what Kawhi's value is. I mean that, and I
mean this in a respectful way. I saw the Desmond

(01:03:12):
Bane trade. I don't know what players. I don't know
enough about every team to know what Kawhi is worth.
And I mean that respectfully. Is there a team that
would give us two first for Kawhi? Maybe, but they're
probably a content I don't know how it works. I
don't know. Also don't know what his value is because

(01:03:34):
I think this year showed that he, as you brought
up Will, can't be your number one in the playoffs
because he was the number one for the Clippers for
one and a half games. Yeah, he played like a
number one. I should say we love Kawhi.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
Yes, the league is it's too young right now, it's
too physical, it's too fast. Love Kawhi. Do I think
he could be a contributor on the championship team? For sure?
None as a number one?

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
And that and that therein lies the problem with like
what do the Clippers value? Like he signed less than
a max too, which is great in a vacuum for
trade value. But you're like, but it like what, I
don't know. It's a difficult thing to come up with
trade scenarios for other than like per the rules trades
that just like work because we like them too.

Speaker 3 (01:04:25):
But you know, it's a long off season. I'm sure
we'll have to devote an episode to that at some point.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
Will's hyped. Uh, we are going to be devoting an
episode to whoever it's your trip to fan, trade to fan.
We're probably I think that about wraps it up. Will,
Do you have any other large takes you would like
to shoot off about the Clippers before we and don't
elaborate them at all before we head out?

Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
Shimmer, Glitter, Sizzle, Los Angeles Clippers twenty five, twenty six.

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
If that's the logo, If that's the slogan, and they
go more like for some reason, they they lose their minds,
and we're going for more of a Golden age of Broadway.

Speaker 3 (01:05:18):
I was thinking glam like seventies.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
Yeah, no, that's tight. Okay, I like that idea. All right,
We're gonna do a live after the draft on the
twenty fifth, when the Clippers inevitably pick the next jokiic Stopper,
the next Jannie uh imitation, whoever they pick at thirtieth
we all know is going to be great. They've done

(01:05:43):
very well on these late round picks before. Well, where
can these people find us? Because we are going to
put this out on audio and in addition, where they
can find us, where could they go to watch us
if they want to.

Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
Yeah, you can catch these streams live. You can. You
can hop in be part of the combo over on
YouTube dot comments at Clippers podcast. We're also wherever you
get your podcasts over on It's raining on Charles right now,
over on story about Fie Apple Podcasts, wherever you listen.
But yeah, thanks for checking us out. I know it's
the off season, but let's go Clippers fans.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
Let's go Clippers fans. If you're watching this in the
off season, you are legit. Like I said, we'll be
back on the twenty fifth. Thank you every for hanging out.
Thank you for Adam Osen for doing the stream for
his car. Not new, but we always appreciate it. We
will be back and as always, let's go clips.