September 12, 2025 • 49 mins
Well, when it rains it pours? Adam, Will, and Chuck talk the latest on the Kawhi-Ballmer-Aspiration saga and how it’s affecting Clippers fans, and manage to work some backup SG talk in with Bogdan being out for a bit
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
What is going on? Clippers fans, Welcome to season four,
Episode five of Clips and Dip your favorite Clippers podcast,
hopefully or at least, at the very minimum, your third favorite,
because there's not a whole lot of them. I am
Chuck Mockler, joined by Adam Osm and William Updyke. The
full crew is here. If you're listening to this, thank you.
If you're watching us, thank you as well. If you
(00:32):
want to watch, just check us out at YouTube dot
com slash at Clippers Podcast. What was there to talk about? Guys?
What's coming going on? I've been my head's been buried
in the sand for three weeks, popped out that long. Excited,
just looking forward to a healthy training camp. That's it,
healthy training camp. This should be a good, good preseason. Yeah,
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I don't know where. I guess I did kind of
a temperature check on like the Kawhi situation for Clippers
fans on our Twitter account, and some guy sent me
something that made me feel sad, which was he was
wearing a Clippers gear and he was walking down the
street and some small child in the car driving by
yelled out cheaters and just kept driving And that sucks.
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I hate Yeah, Clippers fans have to be going through
this right now, purely from a fan perspective, especially if
it's our doing.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
If I'd say that guy yelling out the window, you know,
maybe let a little due process happen.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
The due process is happening. There was some new stuff
that came out, specifically about Kawhi and Uncle Dennis. In
twenty nineteen. Uncle Dennis wanted a piece of the Toronto
maple leafs, apparently, which hey.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
I guess.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
We'll take it. Jake Fisher wrote a piece and they're
kind of He mentioned that the Clippers behind the scenes
are maintaining that this is mostly a denist thing, an
Uncle Dennis thing. He said. The deal obviously has echoes
of the demands Robertson reportedly sought from the Raptors representatives
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from multiple teams that pursued Leonard that Summer told me
Robertson was chasing prohibited ownership stakes and skyhigh sponsorship deals
as well. So this is a thing since twenty nineteen
that supposedly has been asked for it from Uncle Dennis,
and now people are thinking there was.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
An investigation in twenty nineteen regarding this very thing.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
So right, it's well documented.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Yes, it is well documented. He added he's heard some
around the world league adopt what has deemed the basically
the Mark Cuban defense of this argument that supports Balmber.
It's basically that Bomber was scammed astration John to be
a fraudulent company that would be investigated. They got fined
like two hundred whatever billion dollars. The Clippers condition condition
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position continues to be we were scammed and it was Leonard,
through his own representation, who struck his own no show
deal with a double dealing company. They welcome the investigation
obviously because it would You can't say anything else other
than please investigate us. I don't know. Will, how are
you feeling about the whole thing. You're a you're a lawyer, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
I mean I got these new glasses so I could
pour through some legal documents.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Makes sense.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
It is a strange one because when the news first
came out, it's like, Wow, that certainly is a smoking gun.
That looks very, very bad. The additional follow up report
from Pabloatoria specifically about like a two million dollar amount,
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which I don't know. We can break down later, but
basically it implicates further people directly within the Clippers organization
technically allegedly, you know, like not necessarily directly.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Yeah. So that deal just real quick if you missed it. Yeah,
well Kawhi was owed two million dollars and then a
Clippers they use the term co owner, which I think
is an editorial choice to call this person a co
owner Balmer, you know what I mean, Balmer owned technically
probably a co owner. I think when you see co
owner you think like a fifty to fifty split or something.
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This guy's an investor in the team, obviously part of
the ownership group that isn't Balmer. So Kawhi was, oh
two million, then this guy paid aspiration one point seven
to five million, and Kawhi got paid that one seven
five That is what the fighting were, sorry just.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
For those and within nine days.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
It also coincided with like his knees soreness ship.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
That was like a so that that report I saw too,
someone was saying that Kawhi was holding out on this
two million dollars and that he had only appeared in
twenty six percent of the games or something up to
that point, and then after that was paid. That is
absolute bunk. I'm sorry, that's strawn. That's drawn way too
many conclusions. A guy like I get to two million
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dollars is a lot of money, but like a guy
who has made that much money and has that much
on the line is not purposefully sitting out waiting around
for two million dollars. I'm so sorry, Like I understand
that that it's juicier to draw a lot of conclusions.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
But Okay, it's almost like he's just coming back from
an acl and there was this ramp up process that
we all knew was happening, like how he came up
the bench in the first game. Is this really We're yeah,
that's that's that's way too.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Far's I guess the thing, like the silver lining, the
thing that I keep coming back to is we will
have to see pending the investigation. But it does seem
like this Aspiration company was clearly involved in mass financial fraud,
uh and it and they are being punished for it,
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and that, like you know, there are these very serious
charges and I think that that if you're feeling really
down about this whole thing, like that has to be
sort of the only silver lining is that, like this
company seems like it was so.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Backwards I do think there's something.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
That tlopers could be, you know, separate.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
There is something to me to comparing them to a
normal company, which I think a lot of people are doing.
It's like, why would they give kwy all this money?
It's like, why would they do any of this stuff?
They defrauded a bunch of people. Like, you can't compare
works of a functional company. It's not the same.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Yeah, that being said, there's a couple of smoking guns
here that don't feel good.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
And also there's a lot of smoke. I'll say that, like,
you know, I don't know if it directly connects to
the Clippers, but exactly, boys, there are a lot of smoke.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
There's a lot of smoke. And I also there was
someone who was tweeting at us who was like, could
you try and find out Pablo's Tori's motive for this?
Like an it's not an anti Clippers thing. It's an
anti I think NBA thing as a whole, you know, Like,
it's not I don't.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
It's an anti like rich owners thing. It's an anti
collusion thing. It's I mean, this is the kind of
thing if you walked across the story like this and
you had the time and do or resources to explore it.
I absolutely would, even if it was against the Clippers, Yes,
because that is worth investigating. Like, these are things that
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should be looked at. Man, Like it doesn't it And
if it does turn out that that they were involved,
and if we do get doc picks and stuff like that,
that sucks. That's not Pablo Tori's b and that and
like and and I stand by it, like that still
should have been investigated, even if we end up losing
something over this, because like, yeah, that, I mean, I
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get it that, like stuff happens behind back doors and
we're all supposed to like turn our head the other
way and be like, Okay, that's fine. But like there's
a lot of issues in the world, and I just
think that, like you get, like, wherever you find something
like this, if you come across it and you can
investigate it, you absolutely should and you absolutely should break
it to light. So like, I'm not mad at Pablo
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for any of this.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Steve Balmer when asked on ESPN, if it was somebody
else getting these accusations, what would you want to have
but he said, I would want this to be investigated totally.
So this is about a level playing field and fairness,
and it is worth investigating looking into the conclusion that
Pablo seems to be coming too may very much different
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differ from the one the NBA eventually comes to it investigation.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
And the only flaw so far that I've seen, and again,
nothing but the almost respect for publatorya obviously like an
incredible credible journalists despite what Bill Simmons says. The only
thing is like the stuff that seems to be directly
like colluding with the ideas of cap circumvention are interviews
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with employees, and I think like interviews with employees of
the fraudulent company who are only getting information from the
guys who are being investigated for fraud. I just kind
of feel like, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with
Publatory's motives and looking at those, but I'm just saying,
maybe they don't have those sources, might not have the
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full view of the situation in the scenario, is all
I'm saying. Because they're being told something by like the
wrong end of this whole thing.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
And they got screwed over by the wrong end of
that whole thing because unfortunately a lot of people I'm
assuming lost their jobs because of the fraud that aspiration.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yeah, he presented these seven sources he had and two
that went anonymously behind the scenes with the voice modulator,
with him on record.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
So to speak.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
He presented them as those were true believers in the
company and the cause, so therefore you should trust them
because they weren't part of the investigation, or maybe they
weren't cleared. They had nothing to do with that company
defrauding anyone. They were working behind the scenes as good
people that were trying to get this climate change issue
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worked out.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
That's that's how he presented it.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
And then those people got burned. So I can I
can understand them having some feeling, some type of way
towards the company to make it look a little worse.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
That's what it was.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Because if you were a true believer, because right, so
in that sense.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Why do you clippers though?
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Like that, like, why why are they taking astray if
you don't believe what you're saying?
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Yeah, that's true. Yeah, that's fair, that's what I mean.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
I don't know it.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
There's so many Adam, we talked about on the stream
a little bit, uh a week ago, like probably sure
what time of just like it's a poorly run company.
I don't know, man, not just poorly run, like miserably run.
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They've lost hundreds of millions of dollars enterprise.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Yeah, exactly exactly. And these things I like that Adam
are up that point, like this isn't operating like a
normal company. Like in any way.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
It sucks for me because it also feels like for
some reason, which we will find out from this investigation,
not the public opinion. One I think, unfortunately, we already
know where we're at with that is like, why did
the Clippers kind of do a couple of things that
to me outsider obviously seem to follow the pattern of
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a company that's run like shit? I guess, like like
with the two million dollar thing, And I'm not saying
it was used to circumvent the cap, but I'm just like, god,
it seems like there were to me, someone who has
a degree in history from the University of Montana, not
business like. There's just the smoking guns, Like we said,
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there's just some things where I'm like, why did you
have to do that? Part?
Speaker 3 (12:27):
To me, I don't know which way this is going
to go, but.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
I think it's understandable. I think a company like this
comes along because they're offering something so appealing, and that's
why so many people want to get on board with it.
Reduce reducing carbon footprints and everything, and that's why people
can have, you know, a real energy g enthusiasm for
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the cause. I was the wrong people behind it. That
could be what we're looking at here and that we'll
see and itally, it wasn't just the Clippers. It wasn't
just Steve Balmer. A lot of people believed in this well.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
I mean it just has echoes of like an ft
X or something like that. We're like, you have like
legitimate financial institutions, uh, and people who have like done
due diligence and worked in finance for years backing this thing,
and it must well I mean like that that's you know,
whether certain members were that's a whole. But in any sense,
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anytime there's fraud on this level, someone is getting caught
holding the bag like what you know, you know, whether
who knows what they knew. I mean that that's going
to take a much like a much further investigation. But yeah,
it could just be that they got over eager to
invest in in something that sounded sounded good and I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Okay, this is this is so useless, but I want
to mention it. We mentioned on the stream last time
that there's a great King the Hill episode about carbon
offsets and everyone should go watch it. It's called Earthly
Girls Are Easy. It's season thirteen, episode two, phenomenal episode.
Go check it out.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Louis Keane also did Louis Keen a great uh yeah,
Louis man. He also looked into this years ago, not
from the not from the potential caps or convention angle,
but he looked at Aspiration and these claims that were
being there at the time that this was gonna be
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a zero carbon emission arena, and he did some due
diligence on this company and looking into it, and there
was just no way that that was true. There was
no such thing.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
You get to be true, it might not be.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Yeah, And I do wonder if some of the Clippers
eagerness to invest this amount of money in this wasn't
to try to. I mean, look like they got this
stadium in here pretty fast, and you know, I think it.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Was privately fund big part of it.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Yeah, but we can all agree that like some of
the ways they might have circumvented some certain some some
local legislation was coming in.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Meetings during COVID that.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
Coming in with some very big promises and some very
good ideas, right like coming in with this idea of
zero emissions, coming in with they're gonna employ X amount
of people from the you know, local Englewoo community. They're
gonna have local uh, you know, restaurants and vendors and
that sort of thing. And I just wonder if putting
together a package like that, you know, you see something,
you see a company like Aspiration, or you you see
an opportunity to reduce your carbon emissions, and maybe you
(15:31):
get a little gung ho about the idea or what
this company is promising, because it does it does enhance
the quality of your package. Because I do think look,
if there was something, if anything, there was any impropriety
down on the Clipper side of things, I would think
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it would be more in line with something along the
lines of putting in an arena versus trying to like
in a really dumb way, Yeah, in a really dumb way,
trying to circumvent the cap. And that's the other silver
lining I guess is that like if the Clippers had
done this through Rachelle Corporation. There's no way in hell
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that they let that company file for bankruptcy, right, Like
there's I'm just like they would know they would have
to release all of their creditors. Like it's not it's
not a mystery. It's not like ohn, like, oh, what's
gonna happen? Like if this was truly a shell corporation
in the sense that it was an arm in the
Clippers organization, as people are kind of alleging, why would
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they ever let it go bankrupt? Like it just it
doesn't really make sense to me.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Well, today there was another article from The Athletic talking
about another payment from Steve Balmer. My interpretation was it was.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
That there was.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
A group of investors and he put this much in
and a lot of people put a bunch of money
in in twenty twenty three, and it sounded like, I
believe this is correct, like they were. That might have
been like the last ditch effort to save the company.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
But now you're talking about what was the.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Exact that are you pulling it up check from today?
Because there was an exact number that Bomber put in
that the article read, and it was it's like, wait
a second. So first it was he put in fifty
million to match million, Okay, just under ten million. So
if your argument is Steve Bomber put in fifty Kawhi
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gets forty eight, that can't be a coincidence. If that's
where you're coming from, why is he putting in another
ten million?
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Why that money doesn't match?
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Now, and it looks like that is a group of
investors getting together the original investors, trying to save the
company there. I don't know if that looks to me
on its surface from what I saw in the article
as some type of uh re routing of funds. Yeah,
(18:05):
that's not the impression I got from what I saw
there today. And then also what came out today that
I thought was interesting was there was there was specificity
to some of the stuff they were going to do
with Kawhi with promotions. Had he done anything, it was
in the contract. I didn't see the specifics when Pablo,
I could be wrong, initially did the first podcast that
(18:28):
was eighty minutes.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Yeah, there was no specifics.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
I don't think there are outs to get out of
to get out of doing this stuff. I don't think
he's pointed to there was this specific thing. They were
going to use him for eight hours here or two
hours there.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
It's like that that seems a little bit different to me.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
It's also weird too. Appearance fees are some of the
weirdest things you can negotiate if you're if you've known anyone,
like it's you can get and I'm not like letting
the clippers off the hook or anything like that, but like,
appearance fees are very weird, you know what I'm saying.
It's like, to your point, like two hour hours here,
depending what the audience is, you can negotiate a higher feat.
So it's like, I like the points that you're making
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where it's like the nine point nine nine nine. Hopefully
that wasn't done to skirt some kind of trigger for
the amount done. Feels like dude, okay. And the crazy
thing is Balmer can be like, fine, here's ten million dollars.
That's nothing to him, which is crazy. So that to me,
to your point, Adam, feels like a last ditch. Here,
(19:27):
here's ten million. If you can't make this shit work,
I guess we got screwed or something like that, you
know what I mean, Because ten million dollars for someone
with one hundred and fifty billion dollars.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
Is like eighty eight dollars to us.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Or something, you know what I mean, Like it's growth,
which is.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
How I interpreted today's article. That's how I saw it.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
And I thought the information, the specifics about what Kauhi
was going to do for them, that was kind of
a revelation to me.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Yeah, that's the what's the opposite of a smoking gun,
sleepy gun, sleepy gun, that's the sleepy gun. To put
this all to bed, I have I've made, I've I've
held back on a couple of smoking gun jokes myself.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
This was just and I think I was gonna make
like a sex pistols reference or something.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
So and there is there was the Bord of Governors
meeting on Tuesday. Adam Silver said a couple of things
that we're going to talk about, but this one's pertinent.
That says we brought in the big guns for the investigation.
They hired the law firm of watch All, Lipton, Rosen
and Cats, which, if you're not familiar with big law,
which is what it's called in the lawyer sphere, this
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is the number one spot if you want to make
money as a lawyer. This is where you go. There's
charting salary is like two hundred and sixty thousand dollars
for like day one, you're making during sixty thousand dollars.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Yeah, but it's like it's based on billable hours and
you end up happening to you You're like have to
work Oh.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Yeah, two hours a week. Oh dude, sixty from what
I've read, is low on this billable hours meter. This
is going to take a long time, I think to
that point because if there's one thing lawyers love, it's
billable hours. And if you're working for the if you're
the firm working for the NBA.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
But this is why, this is why for fans who
want to watch a single team, it's getting so expensive
they have to pay these lawyers. Okay, so you can't
get to cough up the money or you can watch
highlights on YouTube.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Okay, we're gonna talk about that in the next segment.
Silver said, you know, the feedback during the governor's meeting
from the other governors is.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
I hate that we call them that.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
I know, it's insane. What's being said to me is
a reservation of judgment. That's what you have a league
office for We've also heard zach Lowe kind of reframe
what he thought, because two weeks ago or like a
week ago, Zach low was like slap on the wrist,
and then recently he was like, it's probably going to
be a first round pick and some other stuff. So
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I think Adam you mentioned this earlier. Now it's kind
of murky, of like where like the NBA is in
and I'm sure this is what the most expensive lawyer
firm in the entire country said. They're in a bit
of a pickle.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Well, people have said before early on in this that well,
the other owners are going to be worried about the
skeletons in their clause is if they open up investigations there,
so they may not want to be tough on the Clippers.
Some of those owners, I'm guessing, are the same ones
that wanted the second apron to slow down the Clippers
and Steve Ballmer's spending all. A lot of this comes down,
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I think, and Adam Silver mentioned this too.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
He works for the owners, so it's.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
A really unique situation where he's punishing people he works for,
and is he going to do the majority? Is he
going to handle them, or is he going to handle
is he going to help Steve Balmer like, or is
he just going to be as perfectly unbiased as you
can be in a non court of law, which is
the NBA world.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
They didn't break a law. They broke a rule.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Here, right exactly.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
I think some people are confused about that too.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
And the burden of proof seems to be low according
to the NBA by laws, where it doesn't have to
be direct evidence. It can be circumstantial evidences.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
And as we keep.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Talking about smoking guns or there's all these little things
and that's a lot of circumstantial evidence. It could feel
like and if does he take into account twenty fifteen
with DJ, does he take into account them being investigated
in twenty nineteen? Do they reopen the twenty nineteen investigation
because they said if they found anything of interest they
could reopen that. I have no idea but to something
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you said earlier, Chuck, feeling worse about it this week
some people and I did a show yesterday.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Of course, a lot of stuff going on, and I.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Was probably, yeah, I wasn't in the best mood, or
maybe it's just we're fatigued already and a little bit exhausted.
I'm not defeated, but I do feel a little bit
exhausted because we talk basketball and this isn't our area
of expertise. We much rather be talking about the upcoming
training camp media day, and now when people mention media day,
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it has a different connotation to it, you.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Know, which problatory is probably going to be a media day.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
That's interesting. Then think about that.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
I mean, he's probably going to be a media day.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Maybe.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
So the exhaustion is what gets me because as a
fan and I'm not this isn't a commentary on what
Palmer did. This is kind of guess the commentary in
kind of the public, the court of public opinion, right
in the court of opinion historically not favorite and now
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we have like this kind of tail end of the
two to one three era, which I don't think any
one would disagree with me. This is the tail end
of if you want to call it, the Kawhi era
or the two and three era, whatever that trade era.
We came in with so much, so many great vibes
for this preseason. It's the unction. Haha, we're old. Maybe
(25:29):
it'll work. This is fun.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
We got maybe the best clipper ever back in CB.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Three exactly now, it's just like, right, there's also this happening,
and again purely from the I'm not it just is like.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
It's just a it's a dark cloud over a great
off season, a sunny off season somehow, And I think, honestly,
and people can call me a homer or a company
man for saying this. I think the main reason Steve
Ballmer went on ESPN last week is to say like,
I'm with you. I'm with you, the fans that are
dealing with this, and he wants people to know that.
(26:07):
He said, we want everybody to know that we do
things the right way and they want to be above approach.
I think a lot of that was him addressing the
fans and letting them know that we're, you know, in
this together right now, and that's what feels like the
only you know, some of the times, just talking with
fans that are going through the same thing right now
with the Clippers and it's not, you know, it's not
(26:30):
the end of the world. We'll get through this and
this too shall pass. But it's been good at least
to be in community a little bit. And I think
maybe that's part of the reason we're doing this show tonight.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Because I feel for the guy who got called. You
know what I'm saying, Like it's like this wasn't us.
It's not like they pulled the fans or like should
we should we potentially circumvent the camp to keep Kawai
because rosis probably would have voted no, like should we
risk that? Like, I don't know, man, it I keep seeing. Also,
there's this funny thing like there's been a bunch of
(27:02):
new Clippers merch dropping, but it's like not this should
be a time when people on Clippers Twitter and Clippers
fans are like, oh, got this, got this, got this.
Now we just have to, like will said, pretend that
we know something about fucking contract law, Like it's a strain.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
Yeah, it's a distraction.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
So it is a distraction from hoops, which upsets me.
Forty days till the opening seats still opening tip, I guess,
or thirty days.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
I don't know, man.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Two, I hope all the Clippers fans are holding it down.
I hope you guys should doing okay. Also, don't feel
that you have to defend the it's a billionaire, I guess, Like,
I don't know, man, it's such a weird spot to
be in too, because like, if they did something wrong, yeah,
they should be punished.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Yeah, and that's fair.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
I also sure, no, yeah, I'm not using it, but
there's a part of Clipper Nation of course we want
to believe in Balmer. He took away the worst owner
in sports history.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Maybe close.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
They got one laid. That old mean lady who owned
the Rents was a real piece of work. She didn't
even pay for their world series. That's just crazy. She
was like, no, sorry.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
But Balmer to us because he is so outspoken from
one fan to another, as is written there outside in
the plaza, one super fan to another, like his passion
is is meaningful to this franchise. So this is a
big deal in that respect.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Like yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
I it resonated with me where he was coming from
going on ESPN less than twenty four hours maybe twenty
four hours later. I think the reason was to address
the fans and that that meant something to me.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
We'll see what comes out of all this.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
I'm gonna say, how will you feel about it? If
it turns out they were just.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
One hundred guilty of Yeah, then obviously I would be
greatly disappointed.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
I will burn my Gingham shirt.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
And and I'm open to any outcome. Like people think
I'm biased, because guys, I'm open to any outcome. You
have to be you have to try to be as
unbiased as possible with these things and root for the
truth to come out.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Yeah, Well, any final thoughts before we do a quick
break and then talk about Bogden's injury.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
M hm, you don't leave a paper trick, thank you,
not saying that anyone did.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Don't leave. Don't leave a sleeping gun, don't leave a
smoking gun. All right, come up, We're gonna talk a
little bit about the Boggin injury and if we're too
worried about it after these breaks, if you want to
watch us without the audio breaks, you can find us
at YouTube dot com at Clippers Podcast audio right coming
(30:12):
up in three two one.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
All right, welcome back in to Cliffs and we're actually
back and talking basketball, which we know a little bit
more about, not much, but yeah, kicking things off. Uh,
you know, looking at the bench, looking at uh, looking
for a lack of a scoring a scoring punch. How
worried should we be about the Bogdan Charles.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Yeah, so I was kind of free. I was finding
something to freak out about clippers wise that wasn't perhaps
violating salary cap.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Worse the old major Pain move where something major is
hurting your leg and he breaks your pinky, Like now
you can focus on that, man.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Good movie. Underrated movie. I would say Major Pain maybe
properly rated. No underrated. People hated it.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Better than Army now I think the same time.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
I remember, I think.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
It might be better than in the Army and that
was pretty good.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
And yeah, talk about someone beyond reproach.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Yeah, I think he was on the aspiration board. Those
are you know what, I'm gonna revisit tonight. I'm gonna
watch both of them back back to back. It I'm
gonna do a lot.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Just watch stripes.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Man looking man, I'm telling you the movie Patreon could
be a real thing. So scoring Juice off the bench,
Bogden is injured. We're still not clear on the timeline, right,
and I'm like, we don't have like any more info
than the rough translation that said he ruptured his hamstring.
But everyone was like, that's just what the translation is.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
The game's recorded, we know when it happened.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Well, but you know what I mean, Like for timeline,
I guess.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Saying the will to injuries.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Uh yeah, but it's going to be a hamstring is
like probably one of the wider soft tissue timelines you
can have.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
So two to three months is what we heard. Sure.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Yeah, is his scoring juice off the bench mitigated by
just putting Beal in with more bench heavy lineups, Yeah,
I mean, you'll kind of do his thing more offensively.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Bogie's one of the guy we've talked about if they're healthy,
he's out of the rotation, like he's one of those guys.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
So if he's the one.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
That's your supposed to be your GUYE.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
I love Bogey, but I know the packing order of
the roster with the summer they had, and I think
he would be out of the inter nine man rotation
during the regular season when healthy.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
I do think his shooting is needed. They're going to
need him at some point.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
He needs to get healthy and he needs to look
like himself too, not just be healthy, it would be
a fraction of himself.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
He needs to he needs to get right.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
So maybe silver lining as it happened now, you can
get it out of the way, and if you start
the season healthy, if everybody else you know, you're not
pushing Bogie to come back soon and he can really
rest up and get ready for the long haul.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
Mercury lining would be we're not healthy and really need
him and the timeline is longer.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Than you think. It's we're not doing mercury linings on
this show. We've invented two new terms, which is sleeping gun,
which we are going to use, and mercury lining, which
I hope you never use again. Great, great call. I
will say.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
That I'm thinking mercury rising when Brady comes back.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
And yeah, well, what's what's in retrograde? Right, that's what
matters in terms of when he comes back. So yeah,
I was like, I was thinking, it is like a
full bench lineup would be CP three, Bradley Beal, Derek
Jones Junior, Niko batoum In Brook, Lopez.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Uh, Chris Dunns out first.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
I guess if you need scoring, yes, Kris, shut the fuck. No,
if you need scoring, I guess because Chris dun Chris
Dunn and CP three is the back court. I'm not
sure how I feel about that.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Offensively, No, I get it. I said, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
I guess we were right. That's a good call out.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
We're all arguing for to change the rule about defensive
player awards because of this guy.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
Now it's like, hey, you could be out of the
lineup a lot. I mean he might, I know, I know.
It speaks to the depth of this team and.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
The reality of the NBA. We're like, like, think about Bogden, right,
Like we talked about Bogden should really only be shooting.
He shouldn't. We shouldn't be like he's pretty good at
the pick and roll. Not his job, right, Like Boggan's
job isn't to run the offense. He shouldn't he And
I mean this respectfully.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
But if you only are a specialist out there, I
don't know how much Eric Paikowski is playing in today's league.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
You have to be the.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Multi defensive rating with certain lineups. And I will get
back that why are we Why is he catching astray?
Speaker 3 (35:23):
I was pointed, look up the ones with Lamar.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Yeah, I guess where he is. Where is they got
some tough ship to figure out lineup wise? Because that
does the really does affect Chris Dunn's minutes, Uh, Like
don and I.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
I think done and CP three can plain honestly, I don't.
I don't see that Chris Dunn can bring them up
sometimes so the forty year old does not have to
bring the ball up all the time. I mean, we
saw that this year making hostile plays.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
It's just that that court.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
They're growing up against other teams second units that also
aren't going to be perfectly optimized. When we're talking about
first of all, I.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Don't know often that's what I'm clinging to.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Yeah, well, also we're talking about a five man second unit,
like his doc Rivers still coaching the team.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
People really still do that very often. You put I
think it.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Was Joseph talking about it. Deal with the second unit.
I think it's going to be fun, right.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
But Beal's still a starter and he'll play a lot
with the second unit. Okay, I thought you did, like
who are the five coming off the beach?
Speaker 4 (36:58):
And yeah, if the Clippers losing this investigation, they have
to only do hockey style. Yeah, I believe is what
I read as a possible punishment.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
One of the punishment. You can only do five guys,
five guy changes full.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Life silver has broad power. You said that.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
I guess it's interesting to see the I mean the
bogmin injury. It proves though that like this is why
you have depth. People were talking about trades, Clippers fans.
Some Clippers fans in the off season, we'll talk about, well,
we have so much death, we should probably make a move.
How long have you been a fan of this team?
Depth means nothing to a lot of teams. Depth and
(37:38):
I mean that respect Like depth, you hold on your
depth unless there's some huge splash trade or something like that.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
Uh, what would you guys rather be getting tagged in
in the off season some insane trade machine screenshots or
pictures of an Aspiration KWHI bobblehead that is supposed to
prove that they in fact did peg gian It wasn't
a no show thing.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Stop sending me that. It also is, as Joey Lynn
rightfully pointed out, he was like, hey, if this is
the only Aspiration sponsored bibblehead, this doesn't look good for
the Clippers. Thank you Joey Lynn for that.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Like, because those are those are team issued. They also
had a deal with Aspiration as a team. The bobbleheads
aren't done individually. Like, uh, Reggie Jackson, I don't think
I had to deal with Kia yet.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
On his bibblehead.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
It might say Kia, like that's okay, fine, I'm just saying.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Kia Reggie's actually that's what they should call her cards.
But that's sorry, Adam, you are correct with your point, Like,
it's just that's how that shit goes.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
It was that getting five hundred likes also was disheartening.
It's like, guys, you are on the wrong trail to
try to.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
Prove somehow cycle back, Like today I got tagged in again.
I was.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
Day What do you guys think I'm gonna do it?
Speaker 3 (39:11):
Dude?
Speaker 1 (39:11):
Yeah, someone's like, investigate Pablo's motive. I'm like, what the
fuck are you talking about?
Speaker 4 (39:18):
Story?
Speaker 1 (39:20):
And have you ever watched this show? We're not We're
not long form investedative journalists for basketball geniuses.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
Obviously, you guys want to give us a few bucks, No,
we'll try out.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Yeah, we have jobs.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
If we don't have the little Pablo's thoughts thing when
he takes a little off shoot break.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
Or all right, so we've solved the scoring juice off
the bench problem. Any Adam, we know you gotta get
out of here. Does any of us do we want
to talk about the Adam Silver thing? Or do we
want to talk about one of us bringing a delicious.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
Dip, which Adam silvers and.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
He basically Adam Silver was asked about the rising cost
to watch a season of NBA games as a fan
of a particular team, considering all the games on either
cable or streaming services. He said that there are a
bunch of games that will go on free broadcast TV,
and fans can also consume the league in other ways
besides watching games. Noting that the NBA is a highlight league.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
I do think I get it.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Everybody is up in arms about that, as if I've
never scrolled through x looking for a highlight from a
dunk that somebody already posted on there and said, oh,
this was crazy, and then I'm looking for it like
that does happen, And to be fair, everyone is ignored
the first part where they have like seventy more network
TV games than they did last season. That is accurate
(40:52):
what he said because NBC.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
That is accurate.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
But I think the sentiment being like it's a highlight league.
It's like but also like.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
Playing it a little bit of blackout dates and and
all the blackout dates and stuff, and some teams get
in some markets get like exceptionally boned. Like I know, yeah,
Denver is like absolutely shrewd. Even if you pay for
League Pass you can watch like a handful of games
because of like all the other deals and.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
Stuff like blackout blackouts. It's just like he's It's not
on the level of what Manfred said about the World
Series Trophy, which was it's just a piece of metal,
go fuck yourself up bread. But it's just kind of
like it feels like that's kind of the direction of
the league has been going a bit in terms of
(41:42):
like our product is highlights and you're.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
Like it was it was to dis.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
Yeah, he had his bald foot in his mouth.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
I just don't think it was the end of the world.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
And I think a lot of people are using it
for easy engagement.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
I mean, we're gonna have Adam Silver's face on the
thumbnail for this for sure, and also just find another
way to watch him. That's something in my eye.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
Yeah, I'm okaye, is your you just scro.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Can watch any basketball game I want, any league. I'm
talking Polska all right.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
It does seem like international fans, though at least someone
I can't remember if they were from New Zealand or what.
But they said they pay uh ninety nine dollars a
year for League Pass and they get all eighty two
games of all thirty tea.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
No, that's real.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
All right, if you're you know, if you're outside of Marcus,
they don't have to worry.
Speaker 4 (42:51):
You know, there are ways to have an IP as
though you do live in New Zealand and perhaps pay
for League Pass through those channels. I don't know. I
just heard what you're talking about. I've heard this.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
That is a m very cute, that is a very
peculiar nuance, if you will, All right, did we bring
any dips? I did not. Had a very busy week.
I was on vacation, and when I came back at
a short week, I got to go to a conference.
(43:24):
I couldn't put the proper dedication to the next dip
that I wanted to. And I apologize for that and
will come back better. Adam, did you bring a dip
You're at work.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
I'm on I'm on the apology tour as well. I
brought this dip ship right.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
All right? Well, please, for the love of do we
even still do this anymore? We do?
Speaker 4 (43:51):
We didn't we even still do this anymore?
Speaker 1 (43:54):
For the love of contract law, please tell me you
brought a dip.
Speaker 4 (44:00):
Yeah, I did. I got for you a fresh and
nova fresh than Okay, it's a I usually kind of
like a little bit chunkier of a one, but I'm
liking the consistency of this. And then I just got
a classic signature select white corn tortilla. Personally, I'm a
(44:23):
bit of a Santitas man myself, but with inflation these days,
this is actually fifty cents cheaper.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
So you know, though Santitas has the price on the front, Yep.
Speaker 4 (44:32):
Those are yeah, that that is the price on the front,
two ninety nine. These are two forty nine for sure.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
Okay, so you put a lot of prep and thought
into it, which I appreciate.
Speaker 4 (44:40):
Here you go, yeah, once did.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
What did you bring into a We're on the apology tour.
We're selling out, dude, what would you bring this to
a barbecue?
Speaker 4 (44:54):
I gotta be real with you. This is like the
best like grocery store bought like non not not counting
like from restaurants bubble. Uh. You know, don't come at
me if you you know have like a local deli
or something that you like. I'm talking about like wide
Moket Market grocery stores. This is probably like the this
is the best bugs Tribe ever bought someone, So yes,
(45:16):
I would absolutely bring it. It's like perfectly acidic, a
little bit smoky. Like I said, I personally like it
when there's kind of some chunks in there. But I'm
I'm messing with this that the thinner consistency makes it
spread more evenly across the chip. I think this would
go great with some warm pita bread. You know you could.
I mean, you can go nuts with this. I'm going
I'm going full theme showing up at the barbecue with this.
(45:38):
I got kebabs, I got the aforementioned warned peta. I
got this, but in a festive bowl, you.
Speaker 3 (45:45):
Know, a pig. You got that?
Speaker 1 (45:53):
All right? Well, well, thank you for bringing.
Speaker 4 (45:55):
It to that one guy who said that maybe it
was time to stop. It's not time to stop.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
He also didn't watch the episode when Adam brought one
of his favorite dips, which was like a week and
a half later. Watch the show.
Speaker 4 (46:12):
Watch the show.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
If you're going to criticize, watch the show. Maybe show you.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
I felt like I was asking the tough questions. I
was just trying to narrow down. What is what is
a dip?
Speaker 1 (46:27):
Again?
Speaker 4 (46:28):
I do like that half of this segment is just
does this count?
Speaker 1 (46:31):
Is this a di Look the patreoon, you'll get movie talk,
You'll get way more in depth condiment talk. That's about it.
We're gonna start that at some point.
Speaker 3 (46:42):
Catch up on hot dogs or what we will do?
Speaker 1 (46:45):
Deep in this internet thing where they were like, actually,
catch up on hawk dogs is bullshit. I was like,
you just read that once on the internet and you're
a fucking idiot.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
I don't know, man, Chicago people will rage.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
Okay, don't a hot dog with ketchum mustard is fine.
I'm not saying that's what a Chicago dog is. It's
just a fucking hot dog. You can it's that?
Speaker 3 (47:12):
Does that Vienna beef? Though?
Speaker 1 (47:14):
Hey, Heber National what about that?
Speaker 4 (47:17):
I don't know?
Speaker 2 (47:20):
Great, Yeah, I get down with the Hebrew Nationals.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
This way. You gotta subscribe to the non existent Patreon
All right, we're gonna be back next week with dips
probably will Where can these people review us after we've
pretty much solved the Clippers cap cir convention scenario and
projected the perfect benchline, Where can people get subscribed to us?
(47:48):
So when the season starts, they can see our postgame content.
Speaker 4 (47:51):
Yeah, if you want to see us find out you
can subscribe to this podcast wherever you get your podcasts.
We are clips and your favorite Flippers podcast. The best
way to watch us over on YouTube dot com. That's
that Clippers podcast. You can of course, you tell us
to think about this video, tell usuch to think about
any everybody else. Maybe we'll response you're kind of being
think about it. Probably not, But if you were rocking
(48:13):
with us through all season, thank you so much. We
hope to see some sort of resolve with everything that's
going on. But yeah, however you listen for you watch
you know we appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
We very much do. Adam. We know you got to
get out of here. Can we get one positive thing
and one problem for your new show.
Speaker 4 (48:28):
In one Mercury.
Speaker 3 (48:29):
Lining fot Sports Radio No fn A on FSR later tonight.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
If you don't know FNA, we're spin off of Petros
Some money We got Petros Papadak is coming on later
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Speaker 3 (48:43):
We start at eleven in a late night hour on.
Speaker 2 (48:47):
The Pacific coast, So be there, come hang out with us,
we'll be talking a lot of NFL and maybe we'll
get to some clippers.
Speaker 3 (48:54):
We did last week, but there is an update, I guess.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
And I will say today's are article from the Athletic
I thought was at least interesting.
Speaker 3 (49:03):
I think you guys should read it form opinions.
Speaker 1 (49:07):
There we go. We will be back next week. Thank
you for hanging out with us, and as always, let's
go clips. Right, what's the worst I can
What is going on? Clippers fans, Welcome to season four,
Episode five of Clips and Dip your favorite Clippers podcast,
hopefully or at least, at the very minimum, your third favorite,
because there's not a whole lot of them. I am
Chuck Mockler, joined by Adam Osm and William Updyke. The
full crew is here. If you're listening to this, thank you.
If you're watching us, thank you as well. If you
(00:32):
want to watch, just check us out at YouTube dot
com slash at Clippers Podcast. What was there to talk about? Guys?
What's coming going on? I've been my head's been buried
in the sand for three weeks, popped out that long. Excited,
just looking forward to a healthy training camp. That's it,
healthy training camp. This should be a good, good preseason. Yeah,
(00:57):
I don't know where. I guess I did kind of
a temperature check on like the Kawhi situation for Clippers
fans on our Twitter account, and some guy sent me
something that made me feel sad, which was he was
wearing a Clippers gear and he was walking down the
street and some small child in the car driving by
yelled out cheaters and just kept driving And that sucks.
(01:24):
I hate Yeah, Clippers fans have to be going through
this right now, purely from a fan perspective, especially if
it's our doing.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
If I'd say that guy yelling out the window, you know,
maybe let a little due process happen.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
The due process is happening. There was some new stuff
that came out, specifically about Kawhi and Uncle Dennis. In
twenty nineteen. Uncle Dennis wanted a piece of the Toronto
maple leafs, apparently, which hey.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
I guess.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
We'll take it. Jake Fisher wrote a piece and they're
kind of He mentioned that the Clippers behind the scenes
are maintaining that this is mostly a denist thing, an
Uncle Dennis thing. He said. The deal obviously has echoes
of the demands Robertson reportedly sought from the Raptors representatives
(02:31):
from multiple teams that pursued Leonard that Summer told me
Robertson was chasing prohibited ownership stakes and skyhigh sponsorship deals
as well. So this is a thing since twenty nineteen
that supposedly has been asked for it from Uncle Dennis,
and now people are thinking there was.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
An investigation in twenty nineteen regarding this very thing.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
So right, it's well documented.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Yes, it is well documented. He added he's heard some
around the world league adopt what has deemed the basically
the Mark Cuban defense of this argument that supports Balmber.
It's basically that Bomber was scammed astration John to be
a fraudulent company that would be investigated. They got fined
like two hundred whatever billion dollars. The Clippers condition condition
(03:19):
position continues to be we were scammed and it was Leonard,
through his own representation, who struck his own no show
deal with a double dealing company. They welcome the investigation
obviously because it would You can't say anything else other
than please investigate us. I don't know. Will, how are
you feeling about the whole thing. You're a you're a lawyer, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
I mean I got these new glasses so I could
pour through some legal documents.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Makes sense.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
It is a strange one because when the news first
came out, it's like, Wow, that certainly is a smoking gun.
That looks very, very bad. The additional follow up report
from Pabloatoria specifically about like a two million dollar amount,
(04:11):
which I don't know. We can break down later, but
basically it implicates further people directly within the Clippers organization
technically allegedly, you know, like not necessarily directly.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Yeah. So that deal just real quick if you missed it. Yeah,
well Kawhi was owed two million dollars and then a
Clippers they use the term co owner, which I think
is an editorial choice to call this person a co
owner Balmer, you know what I mean, Balmer owned technically
probably a co owner. I think when you see co
owner you think like a fifty to fifty split or something.
(04:45):
This guy's an investor in the team, obviously part of
the ownership group that isn't Balmer. So Kawhi was, oh
two million, then this guy paid aspiration one point seven
to five million, and Kawhi got paid that one seven
five That is what the fighting were, sorry just.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
For those and within nine days.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
It also coincided with like his knees soreness ship.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
That was like a so that that report I saw too,
someone was saying that Kawhi was holding out on this
two million dollars and that he had only appeared in
twenty six percent of the games or something up to
that point, and then after that was paid. That is
absolute bunk. I'm sorry, that's strawn. That's drawn way too
many conclusions. A guy like I get to two million
(05:29):
dollars is a lot of money, but like a guy
who has made that much money and has that much
on the line is not purposefully sitting out waiting around
for two million dollars. I'm so sorry, Like I understand
that that it's juicier to draw a lot of conclusions.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
But Okay, it's almost like he's just coming back from
an acl and there was this ramp up process that
we all knew was happening, like how he came up
the bench in the first game. Is this really We're yeah,
that's that's that's way too.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Far's I guess the thing, like the silver lining, the
thing that I keep coming back to is we will
have to see pending the investigation. But it does seem
like this Aspiration company was clearly involved in mass financial fraud,
uh and it and they are being punished for it,
(06:22):
and that, like you know, there are these very serious
charges and I think that that if you're feeling really
down about this whole thing, like that has to be
sort of the only silver lining is that, like this
company seems like it was so.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Backwards I do think there's something.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
That tlopers could be, you know, separate.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
There is something to me to comparing them to a
normal company, which I think a lot of people are doing.
It's like, why would they give kwy all this money?
It's like, why would they do any of this stuff?
They defrauded a bunch of people. Like, you can't compare
works of a functional company. It's not the same.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Yeah, that being said, there's a couple of smoking guns
here that don't feel good.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
And also there's a lot of smoke. I'll say that, like,
you know, I don't know if it directly connects to
the Clippers, but exactly, boys, there are a lot of smoke.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
There's a lot of smoke. And I also there was
someone who was tweeting at us who was like, could
you try and find out Pablo's Tori's motive for this?
Like an it's not an anti Clippers thing. It's an
anti I think NBA thing as a whole, you know, Like,
it's not I don't.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
It's an anti like rich owners thing. It's an anti
collusion thing. It's I mean, this is the kind of
thing if you walked across the story like this and
you had the time and do or resources to explore it.
I absolutely would, even if it was against the Clippers, Yes,
because that is worth investigating. Like, these are things that
(07:54):
should be looked at. Man, Like it doesn't it And
if it does turn out that that they were involved,
and if we do get doc picks and stuff like that,
that sucks. That's not Pablo Tori's b and that and
like and and I stand by it, like that still
should have been investigated, even if we end up losing
something over this, because like, yeah, that, I mean, I
(08:14):
get it that, like stuff happens behind back doors and
we're all supposed to like turn our head the other
way and be like, Okay, that's fine. But like there's
a lot of issues in the world, and I just
think that, like you get, like, wherever you find something
like this, if you come across it and you can
investigate it, you absolutely should and you absolutely should break
it to light. So like, I'm not mad at Pablo
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for any of this.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Steve Balmer when asked on ESPN, if it was somebody
else getting these accusations, what would you want to have
but he said, I would want this to be investigated totally.
So this is about a level playing field and fairness,
and it is worth investigating looking into the conclusion that
Pablo seems to be coming too may very much different
(08:57):
differ from the one the NBA eventually comes to it investigation.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
And the only flaw so far that I've seen, and again,
nothing but the almost respect for publatorya obviously like an
incredible credible journalists despite what Bill Simmons says. The only
thing is like the stuff that seems to be directly
like colluding with the ideas of cap circumvention are interviews
(09:21):
with employees, and I think like interviews with employees of
the fraudulent company who are only getting information from the
guys who are being investigated for fraud. I just kind
of feel like, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with
Publatory's motives and looking at those, but I'm just saying,
maybe they don't have those sources, might not have the
(09:42):
full view of the situation in the scenario, is all
I'm saying. Because they're being told something by like the
wrong end of this whole thing.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
And they got screwed over by the wrong end of
that whole thing because unfortunately a lot of people I'm
assuming lost their jobs because of the fraud that aspiration.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yeah, he presented these seven sources he had and two
that went anonymously behind the scenes with the voice modulator,
with him on record.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
So to speak.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
He presented them as those were true believers in the
company and the cause, so therefore you should trust them
because they weren't part of the investigation, or maybe they
weren't cleared. They had nothing to do with that company
defrauding anyone. They were working behind the scenes as good
people that were trying to get this climate change issue
(10:37):
worked out.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
That's that's how he presented it.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
And then those people got burned. So I can I
can understand them having some feeling, some type of way
towards the company to make it look a little worse.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
That's what it was.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Because if you were a true believer, because right, so
in that sense.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Why do you clippers though?
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Like that, like, why why are they taking astray if
you don't believe what you're saying?
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Yeah, that's true. Yeah, that's fair, that's what I mean.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
I don't know it.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
There's so many Adam, we talked about on the stream
a little bit, uh a week ago, like probably sure
what time of just like it's a poorly run company.
I don't know, man, not just poorly run, like miserably run.
(11:25):
They've lost hundreds of millions of dollars enterprise.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Yeah, exactly exactly. And these things I like that Adam
are up that point, like this isn't operating like a
normal company. Like in any way.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
It sucks for me because it also feels like for
some reason, which we will find out from this investigation,
not the public opinion. One I think, unfortunately, we already
know where we're at with that is like, why did
the Clippers kind of do a couple of things that
to me outsider obviously seem to follow the pattern of
(12:02):
a company that's run like shit? I guess, like like
with the two million dollar thing, And I'm not saying
it was used to circumvent the cap, but I'm just like, god,
it seems like there were to me, someone who has
a degree in history from the University of Montana, not
business like. There's just the smoking guns, Like we said,
(12:23):
there's just some things where I'm like, why did you
have to do that? Part?
Speaker 3 (12:27):
To me, I don't know which way this is going
to go, but.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
I think it's understandable. I think a company like this
comes along because they're offering something so appealing, and that's
why so many people want to get on board with it.
Reduce reducing carbon footprints and everything, and that's why people
can have, you know, a real energy g enthusiasm for
(12:55):
the cause. I was the wrong people behind it. That
could be what we're looking at here and that we'll
see and itally, it wasn't just the Clippers. It wasn't
just Steve Balmer. A lot of people believed in this well.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
I mean it just has echoes of like an ft
X or something like that. We're like, you have like
legitimate financial institutions, uh, and people who have like done
due diligence and worked in finance for years backing this thing,
and it must well I mean like that that's you know,
whether certain members were that's a whole. But in any sense,
(13:34):
anytime there's fraud on this level, someone is getting caught
holding the bag like what you know, you know, whether
who knows what they knew. I mean that that's going
to take a much like a much further investigation. But yeah,
it could just be that they got over eager to
invest in in something that sounded sounded good and I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Okay, this is this is so useless, but I want
to mention it. We mentioned on the stream last time
that there's a great King the Hill episode about carbon
offsets and everyone should go watch it. It's called Earthly
Girls Are Easy. It's season thirteen, episode two, phenomenal episode.
Go check it out.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Louis Keane also did Louis Keen a great uh yeah,
Louis man. He also looked into this years ago, not
from the not from the potential caps or convention angle,
but he looked at Aspiration and these claims that were
being there at the time that this was gonna be
(14:31):
a zero carbon emission arena, and he did some due
diligence on this company and looking into it, and there
was just no way that that was true. There was
no such thing.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
You get to be true, it might not be.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Yeah, And I do wonder if some of the Clippers
eagerness to invest this amount of money in this wasn't
to try to. I mean, look like they got this
stadium in here pretty fast, and you know, I think it.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Was privately fund big part of it.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Yeah, but we can all agree that like some of
the ways they might have circumvented some certain some some
local legislation was coming in.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Meetings during COVID that.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
Coming in with some very big promises and some very
good ideas, right like coming in with this idea of
zero emissions, coming in with they're gonna employ X amount
of people from the you know, local Englewoo community. They're
gonna have local uh, you know, restaurants and vendors and
that sort of thing. And I just wonder if putting
together a package like that, you know, you see something,
you see a company like Aspiration, or you you see
an opportunity to reduce your carbon emissions, and maybe you
(15:31):
get a little gung ho about the idea or what
this company is promising, because it does it does enhance
the quality of your package. Because I do think look,
if there was something, if anything, there was any impropriety
down on the Clipper side of things, I would think
(15:52):
it would be more in line with something along the
lines of putting in an arena versus trying to like
in a really dumb way, Yeah, in a really dumb way,
trying to circumvent the cap. And that's the other silver
lining I guess is that like if the Clippers had
done this through Rachelle Corporation. There's no way in hell
(16:14):
that they let that company file for bankruptcy, right, Like
there's I'm just like they would know they would have
to release all of their creditors. Like it's not it's
not a mystery. It's not like ohn, like, oh, what's
gonna happen? Like if this was truly a shell corporation
in the sense that it was an arm in the
Clippers organization, as people are kind of alleging, why would
(16:35):
they ever let it go bankrupt? Like it just it
doesn't really make sense to me.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Well, today there was another article from The Athletic talking
about another payment from Steve Balmer. My interpretation was it was.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
That there was.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
A group of investors and he put this much in
and a lot of people put a bunch of money
in in twenty twenty three, and it sounded like, I
believe this is correct, like they were. That might have
been like the last ditch effort to save the company.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
But now you're talking about what was the.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Exact that are you pulling it up check from today?
Because there was an exact number that Bomber put in
that the article read, and it was it's like, wait
a second. So first it was he put in fifty
million to match million, Okay, just under ten million. So
if your argument is Steve Bomber put in fifty Kawhi
(17:35):
gets forty eight, that can't be a coincidence. If that's
where you're coming from, why is he putting in another
ten million?
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Why that money doesn't match?
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Now, and it looks like that is a group of
investors getting together the original investors, trying to save the
company there. I don't know if that looks to me
on its surface from what I saw in the article
as some type of uh re routing of funds. Yeah,
(18:05):
that's not the impression I got from what I saw
there today. And then also what came out today that
I thought was interesting was there was there was specificity
to some of the stuff they were going to do
with Kawhi with promotions. Had he done anything, it was
in the contract. I didn't see the specifics when Pablo,
I could be wrong, initially did the first podcast that
(18:28):
was eighty minutes.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Yeah, there was no specifics.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
I don't think there are outs to get out of
to get out of doing this stuff. I don't think
he's pointed to there was this specific thing. They were
going to use him for eight hours here or two
hours there.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
It's like that that seems a little bit different to me.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
It's also weird too. Appearance fees are some of the
weirdest things you can negotiate if you're if you've known anyone,
like it's you can get and I'm not like letting
the clippers off the hook or anything like that, but like,
appearance fees are very weird, you know what I'm saying.
It's like, to your point, like two hour hours here,
depending what the audience is, you can negotiate a higher feat.
So it's like, I like the points that you're making
(19:06):
where it's like the nine point nine nine nine. Hopefully
that wasn't done to skirt some kind of trigger for
the amount done. Feels like dude, okay. And the crazy
thing is Balmer can be like, fine, here's ten million dollars.
That's nothing to him, which is crazy. So that to me,
to your point, Adam, feels like a last ditch. Here,
(19:27):
here's ten million. If you can't make this shit work,
I guess we got screwed or something like that, you
know what I mean, Because ten million dollars for someone
with one hundred and fifty billion dollars.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
Is like eighty eight dollars to us.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Or something, you know what I mean, Like it's growth,
which is.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
How I interpreted today's article. That's how I saw it.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
And I thought the information, the specifics about what Kauhi
was going to do for them, that was kind of
a revelation to me.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Yeah, that's the what's the opposite of a smoking gun,
sleepy gun, sleepy gun, that's the sleepy gun. To put
this all to bed, I have I've made, I've I've
held back on a couple of smoking gun jokes myself.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
This was just and I think I was gonna make
like a sex pistols reference or something.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
So and there is there was the Bord of Governors
meeting on Tuesday. Adam Silver said a couple of things
that we're going to talk about, but this one's pertinent.
That says we brought in the big guns for the investigation.
They hired the law firm of watch All, Lipton, Rosen
and Cats, which, if you're not familiar with big law,
which is what it's called in the lawyer sphere, this
(20:49):
is the number one spot if you want to make
money as a lawyer. This is where you go. There's
charting salary is like two hundred and sixty thousand dollars
for like day one, you're making during sixty thousand dollars.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Yeah, but it's like it's based on billable hours and
you end up happening to you You're like have to
work Oh.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Yeah, two hours a week. Oh dude, sixty from what
I've read, is low on this billable hours meter. This
is going to take a long time, I think to
that point because if there's one thing lawyers love, it's
billable hours. And if you're working for the if you're
the firm working for the NBA.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
But this is why, this is why for fans who
want to watch a single team, it's getting so expensive
they have to pay these lawyers. Okay, so you can't
get to cough up the money or you can watch
highlights on YouTube.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Okay, we're gonna talk about that in the next segment.
Silver said, you know, the feedback during the governor's meeting
from the other governors is.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
I hate that we call them that.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
I know, it's insane. What's being said to me is
a reservation of judgment. That's what you have a league
office for We've also heard zach Lowe kind of reframe
what he thought, because two weeks ago or like a
week ago, Zach low was like slap on the wrist,
and then recently he was like, it's probably going to
be a first round pick and some other stuff. So
(22:20):
I think Adam you mentioned this earlier. Now it's kind
of murky, of like where like the NBA is in
and I'm sure this is what the most expensive lawyer
firm in the entire country said. They're in a bit
of a pickle.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Well, people have said before early on in this that well,
the other owners are going to be worried about the
skeletons in their clause is if they open up investigations there,
so they may not want to be tough on the Clippers.
Some of those owners, I'm guessing, are the same ones
that wanted the second apron to slow down the Clippers
and Steve Ballmer's spending all. A lot of this comes down,
(22:58):
I think, and Adam Silver mentioned this too.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
He works for the owners, so it's.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
A really unique situation where he's punishing people he works for,
and is he going to do the majority? Is he
going to handle them, or is he going to handle
is he going to help Steve Balmer like, or is
he just going to be as perfectly unbiased as you
can be in a non court of law, which is
the NBA world.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
They didn't break a law. They broke a rule.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Here, right exactly.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
I think some people are confused about that too.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
And the burden of proof seems to be low according
to the NBA by laws, where it doesn't have to
be direct evidence. It can be circumstantial evidences.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
And as we keep.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Talking about smoking guns or there's all these little things
and that's a lot of circumstantial evidence. It could feel
like and if does he take into account twenty fifteen
with DJ, does he take into account them being investigated
in twenty nineteen? Do they reopen the twenty nineteen investigation
because they said if they found anything of interest they
could reopen that. I have no idea but to something
(23:57):
you said earlier, Chuck, feeling worse about it this week
some people and I did a show yesterday.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Of course, a lot of stuff going on, and I.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Was probably, yeah, I wasn't in the best mood, or
maybe it's just we're fatigued already and a little bit exhausted.
I'm not defeated, but I do feel a little bit
exhausted because we talk basketball and this isn't our area
of expertise. We much rather be talking about the upcoming
training camp media day, and now when people mention media day,
(24:27):
it has a different connotation to it, you.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Know, which problatory is probably going to be a media day.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
That's interesting. Then think about that.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
I mean, he's probably going to be a media day.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Maybe.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
So the exhaustion is what gets me because as a
fan and I'm not this isn't a commentary on what
Palmer did. This is kind of guess the commentary in
kind of the public, the court of public opinion, right
in the court of opinion historically not favorite and now
(25:06):
we have like this kind of tail end of the
two to one three era, which I don't think any
one would disagree with me. This is the tail end
of if you want to call it, the Kawhi era
or the two and three era, whatever that trade era.
We came in with so much, so many great vibes
for this preseason. It's the unction. Haha, we're old. Maybe
(25:29):
it'll work. This is fun.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
We got maybe the best clipper ever back in CB.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Three exactly now, it's just like, right, there's also this happening,
and again purely from the I'm not it just is like.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
It's just a it's a dark cloud over a great
off season, a sunny off season somehow, And I think, honestly,
and people can call me a homer or a company
man for saying this. I think the main reason Steve
Ballmer went on ESPN last week is to say like,
I'm with you. I'm with you, the fans that are
dealing with this, and he wants people to know that.
(26:07):
He said, we want everybody to know that we do
things the right way and they want to be above approach.
I think a lot of that was him addressing the
fans and letting them know that we're, you know, in
this together right now, and that's what feels like the
only you know, some of the times, just talking with
fans that are going through the same thing right now
with the Clippers and it's not, you know, it's not
(26:30):
the end of the world. We'll get through this and
this too shall pass. But it's been good at least
to be in community a little bit. And I think
maybe that's part of the reason we're doing this show tonight.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Because I feel for the guy who got called. You
know what I'm saying, Like it's like this wasn't us.
It's not like they pulled the fans or like should
we should we potentially circumvent the camp to keep Kawai
because rosis probably would have voted no, like should we
risk that? Like, I don't know, man, it I keep seeing. Also,
there's this funny thing like there's been a bunch of
(27:02):
new Clippers merch dropping, but it's like not this should
be a time when people on Clippers Twitter and Clippers
fans are like, oh, got this, got this, got this.
Now we just have to, like will said, pretend that
we know something about fucking contract law, Like it's a strain.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
Yeah, it's a distraction.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
So it is a distraction from hoops, which upsets me.
Forty days till the opening seats still opening tip, I guess,
or thirty days.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
I don't know, man.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Two, I hope all the Clippers fans are holding it down.
I hope you guys should doing okay. Also, don't feel
that you have to defend the it's a billionaire, I guess, Like,
I don't know, man, it's such a weird spot to
be in too, because like, if they did something wrong, yeah,
they should be punished.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Yeah, and that's fair.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
I also sure, no, yeah, I'm not using it, but
there's a part of Clipper Nation of course we want
to believe in Balmer. He took away the worst owner
in sports history.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Maybe close.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
They got one laid. That old mean lady who owned
the Rents was a real piece of work. She didn't
even pay for their world series. That's just crazy. She
was like, no, sorry.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
But Balmer to us because he is so outspoken from
one fan to another, as is written there outside in
the plaza, one super fan to another, like his passion
is is meaningful to this franchise. So this is a
big deal in that respect.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Like yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
I it resonated with me where he was coming from
going on ESPN less than twenty four hours maybe twenty
four hours later. I think the reason was to address
the fans and that that meant something to me.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
We'll see what comes out of all this.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
I'm gonna say, how will you feel about it? If
it turns out they were just.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
One hundred guilty of Yeah, then obviously I would be
greatly disappointed.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
I will burn my Gingham shirt.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
And and I'm open to any outcome. Like people think
I'm biased, because guys, I'm open to any outcome. You
have to be you have to try to be as
unbiased as possible with these things and root for the
truth to come out.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Yeah, Well, any final thoughts before we do a quick
break and then talk about Bogden's injury.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
M hm, you don't leave a paper trick, thank you,
not saying that anyone did.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Don't leave. Don't leave a sleeping gun, don't leave a
smoking gun. All right, come up, We're gonna talk a
little bit about the Boggin injury and if we're too
worried about it after these breaks, if you want to
watch us without the audio breaks, you can find us
at YouTube dot com at Clippers Podcast audio right coming
(30:12):
up in three two one.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
All right, welcome back in to Cliffs and we're actually
back and talking basketball, which we know a little bit
more about, not much, but yeah, kicking things off. Uh,
you know, looking at the bench, looking at uh, looking
for a lack of a scoring a scoring punch. How
worried should we be about the Bogdan Charles.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Yeah, so I was kind of free. I was finding
something to freak out about clippers wise that wasn't perhaps
violating salary cap.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Worse the old major Pain move where something major is
hurting your leg and he breaks your pinky, Like now
you can focus on that, man.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Good movie. Underrated movie. I would say Major Pain maybe
properly rated. No underrated. People hated it.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Better than Army now I think the same time.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
I remember, I think.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
It might be better than in the Army and that
was pretty good.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
And yeah, talk about someone beyond reproach.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Yeah, I think he was on the aspiration board. Those
are you know what, I'm gonna revisit tonight. I'm gonna
watch both of them back back to back. It I'm
gonna do a lot.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Just watch stripes.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Man looking man, I'm telling you the movie Patreon could
be a real thing. So scoring Juice off the bench,
Bogden is injured. We're still not clear on the timeline, right,
and I'm like, we don't have like any more info
than the rough translation that said he ruptured his hamstring.
But everyone was like, that's just what the translation is.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
The game's recorded, we know when it happened.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Well, but you know what I mean, Like for timeline,
I guess.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Saying the will to injuries.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Uh yeah, but it's going to be a hamstring is
like probably one of the wider soft tissue timelines you
can have.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
So two to three months is what we heard. Sure.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Yeah, is his scoring juice off the bench mitigated by
just putting Beal in with more bench heavy lineups, Yeah,
I mean, you'll kind of do his thing more offensively.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Bogie's one of the guy we've talked about if they're healthy,
he's out of the rotation, like he's one of those guys.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
So if he's the one.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
That's your supposed to be your GUYE.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
I love Bogey, but I know the packing order of
the roster with the summer they had, and I think
he would be out of the inter nine man rotation
during the regular season when healthy.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
I do think his shooting is needed. They're going to
need him at some point.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
He needs to get healthy and he needs to look
like himself too, not just be healthy, it would be
a fraction of himself.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
He needs to he needs to get right.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
So maybe silver lining as it happened now, you can
get it out of the way, and if you start
the season healthy, if everybody else you know, you're not
pushing Bogie to come back soon and he can really
rest up and get ready for the long haul.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
Mercury lining would be we're not healthy and really need
him and the timeline is longer.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Than you think. It's we're not doing mercury linings on
this show. We've invented two new terms, which is sleeping gun,
which we are going to use, and mercury lining, which
I hope you never use again. Great, great call. I
will say.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
That I'm thinking mercury rising when Brady comes back.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
And yeah, well, what's what's in retrograde? Right, that's what
matters in terms of when he comes back. So yeah,
I was like, I was thinking, it is like a
full bench lineup would be CP three, Bradley Beal, Derek
Jones Junior, Niko batoum In Brook, Lopez.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Uh, Chris Dunns out first.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
I guess if you need scoring, yes, Kris, shut the fuck. No,
if you need scoring, I guess because Chris dun Chris
Dunn and CP three is the back court. I'm not
sure how I feel about that.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Offensively, No, I get it. I said, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
I guess we were right. That's a good call out.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
We're all arguing for to change the rule about defensive
player awards because of this guy.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
Now it's like, hey, you could be out of the
lineup a lot. I mean he might, I know, I know.
It speaks to the depth of this team and.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
The reality of the NBA. We're like, like, think about Bogden, right,
Like we talked about Bogden should really only be shooting.
He shouldn't. We shouldn't be like he's pretty good at
the pick and roll. Not his job, right, Like Boggan's
job isn't to run the offense. He shouldn't he And
I mean this respectfully.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
But if you only are a specialist out there, I
don't know how much Eric Paikowski is playing in today's league.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
You have to be the.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Multi defensive rating with certain lineups. And I will get
back that why are we Why is he catching astray?
Speaker 3 (35:23):
I was pointed, look up the ones with Lamar.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Yeah, I guess where he is. Where is they got
some tough ship to figure out lineup wise? Because that
does the really does affect Chris Dunn's minutes, Uh, Like
don and I.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
I think done and CP three can plain honestly, I don't.
I don't see that Chris Dunn can bring them up
sometimes so the forty year old does not have to
bring the ball up all the time. I mean, we
saw that this year making hostile plays.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
It's just that that court.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
They're growing up against other teams second units that also
aren't going to be perfectly optimized. When we're talking about
first of all, I.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Don't know often that's what I'm clinging to.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Yeah, well, also we're talking about a five man second unit,
like his doc Rivers still coaching the team.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
People really still do that very often. You put I
think it.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Was Joseph talking about it. Deal with the second unit.
I think it's going to be fun, right.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
But Beal's still a starter and he'll play a lot
with the second unit. Okay, I thought you did, like
who are the five coming off the beach?
Speaker 4 (36:58):
And yeah, if the Clippers losing this investigation, they have
to only do hockey style. Yeah, I believe is what
I read as a possible punishment.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
One of the punishment. You can only do five guys,
five guy changes full.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Life silver has broad power. You said that.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
I guess it's interesting to see the I mean the
bogmin injury. It proves though that like this is why
you have depth. People were talking about trades, Clippers fans.
Some Clippers fans in the off season, we'll talk about, well,
we have so much death, we should probably make a move.
How long have you been a fan of this team?
Depth means nothing to a lot of teams. Depth and
(37:38):
I mean that respect Like depth, you hold on your
depth unless there's some huge splash trade or something like that.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
Uh, what would you guys rather be getting tagged in
in the off season some insane trade machine screenshots or
pictures of an Aspiration KWHI bobblehead that is supposed to
prove that they in fact did peg gian It wasn't
a no show thing.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Stop sending me that. It also is, as Joey Lynn
rightfully pointed out, he was like, hey, if this is
the only Aspiration sponsored bibblehead, this doesn't look good for
the Clippers. Thank you Joey Lynn for that.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Like, because those are those are team issued. They also
had a deal with Aspiration as a team. The bobbleheads
aren't done individually. Like, uh, Reggie Jackson, I don't think
I had to deal with Kia yet.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
On his bibblehead.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
It might say Kia, like that's okay, fine, I'm just saying.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Kia Reggie's actually that's what they should call her cards.
But that's sorry, Adam, you are correct with your point, Like,
it's just that's how that shit goes.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
It was that getting five hundred likes also was disheartening.
It's like, guys, you are on the wrong trail to
try to.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
Prove somehow cycle back, Like today I got tagged in again.
I was.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
Day What do you guys think I'm gonna do it?
Speaker 3 (39:11):
Dude?
Speaker 1 (39:11):
Yeah, someone's like, investigate Pablo's motive. I'm like, what the
fuck are you talking about?
Speaker 4 (39:18):
Story?
Speaker 1 (39:20):
And have you ever watched this show? We're not We're
not long form investedative journalists for basketball geniuses.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
Obviously, you guys want to give us a few bucks, No,
we'll try out.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Yeah, we have jobs.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
If we don't have the little Pablo's thoughts thing when
he takes a little off shoot break.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
Or all right, so we've solved the scoring juice off
the bench problem. Any Adam, we know you gotta get
out of here. Does any of us do we want
to talk about the Adam Silver thing? Or do we
want to talk about one of us bringing a delicious.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
Dip, which Adam silvers and.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
He basically Adam Silver was asked about the rising cost
to watch a season of NBA games as a fan
of a particular team, considering all the games on either
cable or streaming services. He said that there are a
bunch of games that will go on free broadcast TV,
and fans can also consume the league in other ways
besides watching games. Noting that the NBA is a highlight league.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
I do think I get it.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Everybody is up in arms about that, as if I've
never scrolled through x looking for a highlight from a
dunk that somebody already posted on there and said, oh,
this was crazy, and then I'm looking for it like
that does happen, And to be fair, everyone is ignored
the first part where they have like seventy more network
TV games than they did last season. That is accurate
(40:52):
what he said because NBC.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
That is accurate.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
But I think the sentiment being like it's a highlight league.
It's like but also like.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
Playing it a little bit of blackout dates and and
all the blackout dates and stuff, and some teams get
in some markets get like exceptionally boned. Like I know, yeah,
Denver is like absolutely shrewd. Even if you pay for
League Pass you can watch like a handful of games
because of like all the other deals and.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
Stuff like blackout blackouts. It's just like he's It's not
on the level of what Manfred said about the World
Series Trophy, which was it's just a piece of metal,
go fuck yourself up bread. But it's just kind of
like it feels like that's kind of the direction of
the league has been going a bit in terms of
(41:42):
like our product is highlights and you're.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
Like it was it was to dis.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
Yeah, he had his bald foot in his mouth.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
I just don't think it was the end of the world.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
And I think a lot of people are using it
for easy engagement.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
I mean, we're gonna have Adam Silver's face on the
thumbnail for this for sure, and also just find another
way to watch him. That's something in my eye.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
Yeah, I'm okaye, is your you just scro.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Can watch any basketball game I want, any league. I'm
talking Polska all right.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
It does seem like international fans, though at least someone
I can't remember if they were from New Zealand or what.
But they said they pay uh ninety nine dollars a
year for League Pass and they get all eighty two
games of all thirty tea.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
No, that's real.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
All right, if you're you know, if you're outside of Marcus,
they don't have to worry.
Speaker 4 (42:51):
You know, there are ways to have an IP as
though you do live in New Zealand and perhaps pay
for League Pass through those channels. I don't know. I
just heard what you're talking about. I've heard this.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
That is a m very cute, that is a very
peculiar nuance, if you will, All right, did we bring
any dips? I did not. Had a very busy week.
I was on vacation, and when I came back at
a short week, I got to go to a conference.
(43:24):
I couldn't put the proper dedication to the next dip
that I wanted to. And I apologize for that and
will come back better. Adam, did you bring a dip
You're at work.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
I'm on I'm on the apology tour as well. I
brought this dip ship right.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
All right? Well, please, for the love of do we
even still do this anymore? We do?
Speaker 4 (43:51):
We didn't we even still do this anymore?
Speaker 1 (43:54):
For the love of contract law, please tell me you
brought a dip.
Speaker 4 (44:00):
Yeah, I did. I got for you a fresh and
nova fresh than Okay, it's a I usually kind of
like a little bit chunkier of a one, but I'm
liking the consistency of this. And then I just got
a classic signature select white corn tortilla. Personally, I'm a
(44:23):
bit of a Santitas man myself, but with inflation these days,
this is actually fifty cents cheaper.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
So you know, though Santitas has the price on the front, Yep.
Speaker 4 (44:32):
Those are yeah, that that is the price on the front,
two ninety nine. These are two forty nine for sure.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
Okay, so you put a lot of prep and thought
into it, which I appreciate.
Speaker 4 (44:40):
Here you go, yeah, once did.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
What did you bring into a We're on the apology tour.
We're selling out, dude, what would you bring this to
a barbecue?
Speaker 4 (44:54):
I gotta be real with you. This is like the
best like grocery store bought like non not not counting
like from restaurants bubble. Uh. You know, don't come at
me if you you know have like a local deli
or something that you like. I'm talking about like wide
Moket Market grocery stores. This is probably like the this
is the best bugs Tribe ever bought someone, So yes,
(45:16):
I would absolutely bring it. It's like perfectly acidic, a
little bit smoky. Like I said, I personally like it
when there's kind of some chunks in there. But I'm
I'm messing with this that the thinner consistency makes it
spread more evenly across the chip. I think this would
go great with some warm pita bread. You know you could.
I mean, you can go nuts with this. I'm going
I'm going full theme showing up at the barbecue with this.
(45:38):
I got kebabs, I got the aforementioned warned peta. I
got this, but in a festive bowl, you.
Speaker 3 (45:45):
Know, a pig. You got that?
Speaker 1 (45:53):
All right? Well, well, thank you for bringing.
Speaker 4 (45:55):
It to that one guy who said that maybe it
was time to stop. It's not time to stop.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
He also didn't watch the episode when Adam brought one
of his favorite dips, which was like a week and
a half later. Watch the show.
Speaker 4 (46:12):
Watch the show.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
If you're going to criticize, watch the show. Maybe show you.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
I felt like I was asking the tough questions. I
was just trying to narrow down. What is what is
a dip?
Speaker 1 (46:27):
Again?
Speaker 4 (46:28):
I do like that half of this segment is just
does this count?
Speaker 1 (46:31):
Is this a di Look the patreoon, you'll get movie talk,
You'll get way more in depth condiment talk. That's about it.
We're gonna start that at some point.
Speaker 3 (46:42):
Catch up on hot dogs or what we will do?
Speaker 1 (46:45):
Deep in this internet thing where they were like, actually,
catch up on hawk dogs is bullshit. I was like,
you just read that once on the internet and you're
a fucking idiot.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
I don't know, man, Chicago people will rage.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
Okay, don't a hot dog with ketchum mustard is fine.
I'm not saying that's what a Chicago dog is. It's
just a fucking hot dog. You can it's that?
Speaker 3 (47:12):
Does that Vienna beef? Though?
Speaker 1 (47:14):
Hey, Heber National what about that?
Speaker 4 (47:17):
I don't know?
Speaker 2 (47:20):
Great, Yeah, I get down with the Hebrew Nationals.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
This way. You gotta subscribe to the non existent Patreon
All right, we're gonna be back next week with dips
probably will Where can these people review us after we've
pretty much solved the Clippers cap cir convention scenario and
projected the perfect benchline, Where can people get subscribed to us?
(47:48):
So when the season starts, they can see our postgame content.
Speaker 4 (47:51):
Yeah, if you want to see us find out you
can subscribe to this podcast wherever you get your podcasts.
We are clips and your favorite Flippers podcast. The best
way to watch us over on YouTube dot com. That's
that Clippers podcast. You can of course, you tell us
to think about this video, tell usuch to think about
any everybody else. Maybe we'll response you're kind of being
think about it. Probably not, But if you were rocking
(48:13):
with us through all season, thank you so much. We
hope to see some sort of resolve with everything that's
going on. But yeah, however you listen for you watch
you know we appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
We very much do. Adam. We know you got to
get out of here. Can we get one positive thing
and one problem for your new show.
Speaker 4 (48:28):
In one Mercury.
Speaker 3 (48:29):
Lining fot Sports Radio No fn A on FSR later tonight.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
If you don't know FNA, we're spin off of Petros
Some money We got Petros Papadak is coming on later
tonight on Fox Sports Radio across the nation.
Speaker 3 (48:43):
We start at eleven in a late night hour on.
Speaker 2 (48:47):
The Pacific coast, So be there, come hang out with us,
we'll be talking a lot of NFL and maybe we'll
get to some clippers.
Speaker 3 (48:54):
We did last week, but there is an update, I guess.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
And I will say today's are article from the Athletic
I thought was at least interesting.
Speaker 3 (49:03):
I think you guys should read it form opinions.
Speaker 1 (49:07):
There we go. We will be back next week. Thank
you for hanging out with us, and as always, let's
go clips. Right, what's the worst I can
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