December 2, 2025 • 49 mins
Life continues to be difficult for Clippers fans, can anything salvage the season? Adam, Will, and Chuck talk wtf is happening with the 5-16 Clippers, wonder what kind of changes would actually make things better, and debate bringing the Dips back.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
What's going on? Clippers fans? Welcome to season for episode
thirteen of Clips and Dim. I am Chuck Buckler. The
full crew is here. We got Adam Oslin, William Updyke.
We are If you're still listening to Clippers podcast, we
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slash at Clippers podcast reviews, help us wherever you can
leave them. The Clippers are not playing well. Making breakdowns
is hard for when the team is like this, Adam
and Will how are you doing? How's it going?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
We're here, We're still showing up.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
We are still showing up. They just keep losing.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
And I keep but they keep showing up.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
They competing.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Well.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
I had a friend who, yeah, they're there. He had
perfect attendance, but he kept getting d's and c's and
they would say, you are in attendance, but you are
not present. And that's how it feels. It's performances have been.
It did not turn his scholastic career around. They're five
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and sixteen.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
He didn't understand what that meant. What the hell are
you talking about?
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Most recent loss to the Heat, they gave up a
thirty to two run at one point, which that wasn't
very fun last week. Last week when we were kind
of talking about trades and stuff, Will I've had a
couple of hypotheticals that we talked about last week that
have now basically become true. You were like, oh, when
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we were four and ten, you were like, oh, double
this up. What if we're eight and twenty, what would
you do? Would you make trades? Then we're pretty damn
close to eight and twenty. Uh what Yeah? And the
other the other one that had me freaked out was
when I was like, I think we'd know if James
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Harden was very frustrated based on how he would act
in a postgame interview. And then we got the postgame
interview after the MAVs game where he was like, it's
just difficult. Everything is difficult when it comes to trying
to work on stuff.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
We might be at five and twenty, dude, Like, it's
not unfeasible.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
I brought this up like three weeks ago, like twenty
losses before ten wins?
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Is that the Phil Jackson rule?
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Yes, that's where you want to be.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
That's like, uh, the Eric Human rule or something.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
It's twenty losses is what you want if you're aiming
to be a championship team.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Okay, so we have some room to go.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
That's the magic Johnson as a head coach rule.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Yeah, so what I guess? Haggle, no, haggle? Could things
get any worse the scheme of reality? Like for how
this is going? Yes, obviously there's two catastrophic things that
could happen.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Is it better or worse than? Kauhi is backed.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Average in thirty five the last three games? Crazy efficiency. Honestly,
you look at the individual numbers of him and Jayon
this year and you're like, how do they have just
five wins?
Speaker 1 (03:41):
What happens? What cant are they going to continue to?
Just try and be better?
Speaker 2 (03:51):
I think it still starts on defense. And I'm not
even talking about transition defense because that's probably a lost cause.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Just the chapter defense.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Yeah, just just get back to being you know, a
top fifteen defense. Is that is that too much to
ask right now? Apparently that they'd have to jump up
like ten or twelve spot to get there.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
That might be to it's.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Crazy that they can't even be average defensively after what
we saw last year.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
They're twenty six.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Yeah, they're also I mean they are like somebody released
a graphic today, have like points given up by turnover,
and they are headed shoulders above the worst team. Like
they're in a different column.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Then the Jazz. There's a substantial gap between the Clippers
and the Jazz on that graph. I call it the
Gulf of Inglewood said that joke at work. No one laughed,
no one cared.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Say you take out the forty one points off turnovers
they gave to the Orlando Magic that one game, Say
you take that out.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
They're still the worst, but they're still probably yeah, is closing,
my friends.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
What's so frustrating is like even when last night the
Clippers like were killing them in fast break points or
points off of two numbers. They were up plus ten
early in the game, it points off for turnombers. So
even when a thing that's going right is happening, there's
just a wall of like, no, we are not going
to allow ourselves to capitalize on this good thing that
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is happening. We are going to piss it away somehow
by not focusing.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Bottom line, they can't put close to forty eight minutes
of good basketball together. They can have a good stretch,
they can have a good five minutes, but how many
good quarters have they had all the way through, honestly
or just good half? I mean they have had some
good halbs, I guess because they've had leads in enough
first halves. They've blown the most ten point plus leads
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so far. But yeah, ten points. I mean they were
up ten early on Dallas. Did that mean that much? No,
the first quarter on everybody. So they're getting off to
good stars. Everybody's complained about first quarters. Now now you
get the other side of it.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
What you wanted. Yeah, but you're right, they're like will
watching this team. It's never like we are in control.
There's no help, no, no, nothing at all.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
It's I think even asking for four quarters of competent
basketball current league average is like is a tall order? Like,
forget about good? Can we get four quarters of competent basketball?
Speaker 2 (06:44):
There's nothing you can rely upon with this group right
now at all. There's nothing you can hang your hat on.
I mean you can rely on some of the negative things,
but I mean the positive stuff, there's nothing to find there.
I will say this.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Why is the best free throw shooter in the league?
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah? I was happy to see coach Lou pulled the
bench the starters lever a minute and a half into
that third quarter. That did something.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
For me was Harden's ninety six seconds of the second half.
Some kind of a message there too. He played a
minute twenty five in the second half of that basketball
game Couiet.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Everybody else came back except for him with the starters.
I went back and watched them tape to see where
he was on the bench. I wanted to see the
rest of what Kawhi did because he had nineteen in
the fourth quarter, and I was like, you know what,
I got to rewatch this, and he did have some
incredible plays, and they were playing way harder, which I
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think was the message. If you're not going to play hard,
you were going to be benched. Message h James. Harden
was on the bench all the way on the left side.
Everybody was clapping and looked somewhat in gauged for those
that care about that body language stuff when they made shots.
So I don't know if there's something to read into
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there or not.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
He was playing particularly poorly that game, so maybe tell
me the last this isn't getting better.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
The last two games from James have been really bad,
and now two things can be true. Last two games
were awful from him. He's also been their best player
this season, right.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Like it is it is hard for me, like when
you play so badly, it does show you know what,
because it's like there's the body language thing. Right. But
like I think he's he has like a couple more games,
I guess for me because of what he's done this year.
Not that we're winning games, but he's made them a
lot easier to watch and deal with.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
I guess it could have been as simple as he
didn't come back into the game because he's played by
far the most minutes for them this season.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
I hope it's that, Like I hope it's some sort
of conscious thing to keep something in the tank. If
they're able to get even semi competent, I mean, I
don't know, I don't know what. Yeah, if they're at
five and twenty, like you gotta be thinking, like let's
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just shed some salary because they're only what over the
tax five like five mil or something. I think they
just like slash Brook Lopez is already getting DMP and
they can reset their repeater tax.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
You're wearing a jacket today, so you got the front
office vibes. I'm appreciative of that. So people do want change, right,
which I'm not knocking people that.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Are frustrated changes. I'm just not I'm not confident at
this point that it can promote that much winning.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
That's the thing. So I was trying to think of
like taking out the people who are like hire Mike
will Own because I'm like, yeah, just who wants to
come coach this Clippers team? Guy, I don't think he
wants to do that. It's like, there's like two options
for people who want change in terms of realistic changes.
(10:16):
I think if things like we get another couple of
thirty to two runs and stuff like that, where it's
like either Lawrence Frank is ensured that he's still the
GM and then they just fire Tyloo and have an
internal hire right out the rest of the season, or
they're both canned and then they have an interim GM
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and an interim head coach to ride things out. Works
for Denver, but that to me feels like if you
want change, those are the two things I think you
should maybe not expect. But if there were to be
a change, that's what I think they would be looking at.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
And I don't know, yeah, those are probably the options.
I don't know how much it's.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
I don't love either of them.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Like Lote came out with me pregame was like the
same guys on the coaching staff that aren't able to
get more out of the team right now you want
them to be the head coach. I just find a
lot of this shocking. And to see this record at
five is sixteen, you know, change could be coming. That's
how sports work. It's much easier to let go of
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one person and have massive roster turnover. But I would
look at shipping players out before firing the GM or
the head coach like that.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
I think, I think, and this is the this is
the issue, like so many teams find themselves in. It
is like it's a lot harder to completely overhaul a
roster than it is to you know, fire your front
office and coaching staff. And I mean, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
A roster with no picks either, Like it's not like
a roster.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
With no picks either, Like with you know, we have
zero leverage in any of these things, Like you know,
we not zero, but we have like pretty limited levels.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
It's close, it's kind of close to zero. They're playing
poorly like but and that's what I want.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
I mean, like, do you do you change your approach?
I mean, if the supporting cast is looking this bad,
you know it's it's looking this bad. We you know,
we've we've exalted the praises of James Harden last game
excluded and Kawhi uh when available. But like if everything
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else is is so man and so broken, like do
you have to think that maybe even if you're eyeing
you know, twenty twenty seven, it's further away than you think,
and like maybe you do make deals that even if
it yields at the same or worse of a result
this season, that you kind of have to pivot what
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your strategy is long term for a team, because we're
looking at one of the worst starts in franchise history,
which is incredible to say for the Clippers organization, Like
this is just an organization that, you know, prior to
the arrival of Farmer was like just marred in beyond
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mediocrety terribleness. Uh, and we're talking about one of the
worst starts in franchise history.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
I think to that point, like when people were talking
about the Damar trade, it was like, dude, if you're
gonna trade for DeMar Derosan, trade everybody and just start
start over in the Clippers sense, because we're not a
DeMar DeRozan away from anything. And like he's off the
team next year, you know what I mean, Like he's
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ten percent salary, all that stuff. Like it's like, if
you're gonna in my head, if you're gonna make one
trade that involves, like, let's trade John Collins, who I
still think has a chance to maybe get some kind
of an extension from the Clippers. There's only three guys
on the roster for twenty seven to twenty eight, Like
just you know what I mean, Like, if you're gonna
make the small move, what's the point of the small move?
Speaker 2 (14:07):
I got a question. Is Kawhi Leonard tradeable because of
the aspiration stuff and his contract?
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Man, I've been like trying to pretend in my head,
I'm like, of course the aspiration stuff doesn't matter. But
then I'm like it has to matter a little bit.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
And if you can't trade Kawhi, do you trade other
guys to make the team worse while Kauhi is still here.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Which and then maybe he demands a trade and then
you can't get anything for him because they're like, well
he wants a trade.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Like that could get really messy.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
That gets gross because that's like you trade Zoo.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Like Kauhi on a clearly tanking team just by himself.
That doesn't seem sound like something he'd want at thirty four.
But if you can can't move same, yeah, shut him
down for the season.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
I don't know, right, because he still got another year.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
I do think I don't want to make rash decisions
that would preclude them from going after much better free
agents in the future. I know T twenty seven might
seem far off, but this has always been the plan.
And if you're gonna have a knee jerk reaction to
put to bring in somebody that's good or decent but
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not great, just as satisfy the fans that something different
is going on, but ultimately it's gonna hold you back
from being a very good team that can contend again.
I don't want to see that.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Right, Like I was looking at I was texting with
Justin Rousseau in French, uh, and I was like, what
they do the DeMar thing? And he pointed out that
like next year his contract is ten percent so it's
like they would, but if they did, he's effectively he
probably wouldn't be on the team next year. So like
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to your point out, it's like, great, we get a
year of DeMar DeRozan and we was out on maybe
signing a guy who could be an okay young piece. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Well, and I'm not suggesting that, I'm not suggesting any
sort of stop gap for this. I'm saying like, do
you start to like seriously evaluate like how you can
a mass more draft capital or do you know even
just going for younger guys with with upside? You know,
if it's not the like the home run trade that
you want, but there's like a young like some younger
players with upside even that haven't realized potentially yet, Like
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do you start to think out that plan a little
bit differently than than like currently constructed. I mean, and
it still is difficult because of the pieces that you're
dealing with, Like you're talking about agent superstars who can
still contribute very well, I mean, could fit into a
lot of teams, I mean, depending and have clout.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Like you said, like these are guys that are like
James Harden is helping recruit Bradley Bale. You know what
I mean, like these guys have cashet.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
If they said we're trading the superstars. Let's say you
can get something decent for Kawhi and James Harden, a
late first round pick, whatever, and players that don't have
five year poison pill type contracts that are going to
nuke your chances of bringing in Yannish or whoever. If
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you can do all that, and even if you bring
in tomorrow okay, his contract up is up in twenty
twenty seven. If you bring in guys like that, or
even if you say we're just going full youth movement, okay,
see pick be damned, we do not care.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
People would that would be so fun.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
But it's like they're trying to win now. And okay, see,
you could end up getting a great pick. At least
you might end up with some first round picks while
you're losing instead of what's happening currently.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Yeah, and I also think that, like, I think everyone
has to be on the table if you go that
route too.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Yeah, I think you keep I mean, Cleo, oh, I hate,
but nobody will get you more than Zoo.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
No, no one's get any more. Like Derek Jones Junior
stays because he's hurt. I don't think you're trading a
hurt guy who's also on a good contract.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
I you could trade him.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
I think you could. Yeah, his contract's so cheap though. Ten.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
But like if somebody is offering you let a pick
and a player on near that contract, Yeah, it has
to all be about the future at that point, even
somebody that's twenty eight, twenty nine.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
You're right, sorry, get out of here.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
We suck whole sale changes. They could go that route
while still keeping all the cap room for twenty six,
where they could have a max slot in twenty six
and two and twenty seven do and.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
I will say cap room is difficult if you don't
have much to sell people on. But it is still la.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
La Balmer new arena. I mean, look at Devin Booker
and how he reacted to the arena last year. Wanted
to shake Balmer's hand and stuff, like, guys do care
about this stuff. And also you don't have to.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Talk to the press. You can kind of do whatever
you want.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
It's not just about getting unrestricted free agents, which is
less likely in today's NBA. It's about, Okay, they get
some first round picks back and they have some expiring
contracts and you package stuff like that together to bring
in somebody that absorbs some of the cap room instead
of just getting somebody as an unrestricted free agent. Yeah, maam, hey,
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I would love for the them to turn this thing around,
but we got to be realistic with where this kid go.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
What does what does turning it around? Look like?
Speaker 2 (20:10):
They are a twenty and five run.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
They're like five games out of a plant spot.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
That's not that many.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
It's not it's not.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Currently I've out of tenth.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
I mean, he got eighteen in March. You go seventeen
and one, you're making up some ground there.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
I didn't think about that, right, Have we thought about
that's the momentum going out of the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
How this team could go seventeen and one of mark Yeah,
I think And again I'm not quite at the like,
I don't know what firing someone does as of right now.
If we see like four more games in a row
or something like, if we go we have a three
games and four nine, which thank you NBA scheduled geniuses
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for that. If they go zero to three and they
have three more instances of like a thirty to two
run or something, then I'm like Okay, Like then we're
where in maybe someone should be like go territory. I'm
much closer to that. I just like you have to
do something like it is such a unique scenario that
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like they don't have picks, and I know that it's
an it sucks that it's our unique scenario, but it's
such a weird like because again, this job.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
I mean, that's what I'm saying though, that that goes
back to like the head coaching in front office thing.
And if you're eyeing a you know, a significant rebuild,
do you even want to partake that with the same
president of basketball operations as you've had through this era.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
The problem is you've had. These are the guys that
set you up for this plan. If you bring in
somebody else, First of all, how attractive of a job
is it considering they don't have their picks? And are
they just going to have to Are they going to
have to submit to the same plan because that is
the most rational way to do this. Yeah, So what
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are we changing? Like, what is someone else's vision going
to be that's going to be drastically different considering the
Clippers don't own their draft pick till twenty thirty.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
It's a collision faster, less turnovers, Bomber goes Wait a second, Uh,
It's a collision of a team that has to be
patient because of the big trade that they made for
Shay in an NBA sphere that is the opposite of
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that like we have Like obviously this was a plan.
People didn't think they were going to be five and sixteen.
We thought we would maybe win fifty games or whatever,
but there was you didn't think the floor was five
and sixteen, right, Like, so it being this bad, it's
like I wonder if they're just like, well, this is
an anomaly. John Collins shooting his lowest percentage from three
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and two he's ever had in his career. Like, there's
a bunch of goofy shit going on. But we're in
this sports sphere where it's like the NBA is gonna
look so different at this trade deadline. I think I'm
not breaking stories like Shan's. I'm not doing this for press,
but like things just expectations and the whole apron thing
makes shit move so differently. But the Clippers have to
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like ride this out. So again they were the first
to kind of do with the first Apron stuff. When
they move Paul George. They're the first team that and
probably only team because I don't think another team will
make a trade like they did to try and figure
out the future with this new CBA with zero draft
picks and being ass like and being apparently one of
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the worst teams in the league.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Well, it's just crazy because we're not that far removed
from like how they were able to pivot from the
two and three era. I mean, it was like a
rousing success and then you know with the youth and
the era, yeah, and well like and with the like
just how overnight the change in like the youth movement
and speed and possession battle has become in the NBA,
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and how aggressive defenses are. It's just like, you know,
they're ancient on the court, They're they're playing a different ballgame.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
They're dribbling like this fingertips.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
I still see the second half of that game last
night when Kawhi comes back in down thirty eight, and
I'm like, so, why did you guys play this hard earlier?
Is it or is it effort? Where was this? Where
was this pop that I'm seeing a Vista Zubats going
up for a huge dunk. I'm playing like they give
a damn. I still wonder how much of it is
just they needed like they needed some tough love from
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coach Lou and he finally said no a minute and
a half into the third quarter, you're out. I don't know,
we'll find out tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
I mean, I will say if we're if we go
zero to three. But you're seeing coach lud do aggressive
things like you know, like what you know, what do
you do with that?
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Yeah, my concrete shoes are five pounds less. My thing
before we talk about this text, uh my thing with
damn it, I totally lost my train of thought. All right, neverybody,
It'll come back to me at an inopportunity time.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
But do you, just to Will's point, do you feel
like stability in body of work has to play a
major factor here, even in what looks like a lost season,
that this is just an anomaly, this is an outlier.
Like I'm looking at you know, the Miami he go
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win thirty seven games last year, They've had a thirty
nine win season with Eric Spolstra, and there's no talk
of like Eric Spolstro's out of here. People are gonna
so you can't compare those two. Yeah you can, because
I've heard the same stuff about Coach Lou. Oh he
was carried by Lebron and that's the only reason he
won a title.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
I know he's gotten back there through the play in
because the East was so bad. And I do think
he's the best coach in the league. But there are
some similarities there. And they know he's their guy, he's
their lifer. They gave him the extension like a year before,
six months before Coach Lou got his just this last year,
before the start of last season. Do you just say
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this is our guy, it's an offseason. Bad seasons happen.
We're going to see it through. We're going to stick
with this group.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
I wonder if Tye wants to do that for a
super long time.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
I think that's a good point because I think Ty's
been frustrated for a while because everybody talks about coach
Lou and oh, Marcus Morris and all these things like
who's had to deal with a worse hand over the
last six years than coach Lou with star availability, it's
not close.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Right, and and he oh, you get knocked.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Out in the first round. Yeah, maybe go back and
look who was available in most of those series. We
had one healthy series this past year, and yes he
deserves some criticism for that, but how many times has
he had all his guys?
Speaker 1 (27:20):
So that's what I wonder too, If like Tyler's like, yeah,
sign me up for a weird, soft dish rebuild, not
softish rebuild, weird, jagged, painful rebuild.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
I thought it was going a lot us more set
there first.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
I wish, But I'm also like Van Gundy doesn't want
to do that shit either. People like hire Van Gundy
to be the head coach.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
He can't be a head coach.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Dude, he does not want to be a head coach. Like,
do you think the offense would you think the Austin
would blo offense would blossom if we have Van Gundy
as our head coach. Like.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
The thing that sucks though, is like outside of the
clear top team, the West is fairly.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Open outside of a team is gonna win seventy three games?
Speaker 3 (28:06):
Yeah, it's three games between two and seven.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
You got a lot of teams like in this in
this middle ground. So I don't know how that affects
like any sort of potential dealings either, if other teams
are like wear this far away or like you know,
we see things could could swing in our favor.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
I don't know, you make up those five games to
get into the player.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
But that's the other thing about trades too, is like
it really truly does depend on the market. Like, yeah,
you're not getting you're not getting four first for Rudy
Gobert in this current market, but you did at the time.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
If your best hope is getting out of the nine
to ten playing, which means you end up playing the
one seed Oklahoma City Thunder, and that is your end
game to this season, that's pretty bleak.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
What do you think the cumulative? What do you think
the I think that US minus differential in a seven
game series against the Thunder would be right.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Now, I ain't gonna be called a seven game series.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Oh man. I would so much rather and I I
don't usually go this route.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
I can't.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
I cannot stress enough how much I would rather not
make the playoffs than get beat by a cumulative that
would be a one hundred and sixty five points over
four games against the Thunder.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
That would be embarrassing. That would be so demoralizing.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Dude, talk about the Clippers getting made fun of. That
would be I mean.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Well, that's why even last year I was like, if
you lose to the Thunder, which would have happened in
the second round, I don't know, bro.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
That had the texts from people during that.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
That's the type of storyline that could get people fired
that you know, it all comes to a head and
the guy that you traded ends up beating you, or
in this case, if they played him in the first
round this season, I mean they would they would get dominated.
With the way the Clippers are playing, it would it
would be a three game series.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Nbas.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
But if you give Thunder a lottery pick, our jobs
still safe.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Yeah, because that has to have been built into the
rationale of the trade.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
You do have to like.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
We're gonna be so good, they're gonna be lower picks.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
But there might there's no way. There's a contingency where
they're like, we might suck ass, Like there is a chance.
I hope. Someone in the room was like, what if
we suck ass one year and it's the number one pick?
Speaker 2 (30:41):
You know what that you know what? The response was,
we already won a championship. We're okay with that. Yeah,
that's where it was.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
All.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
This is fine. If you had won that championship, you're
comforted by that, and you would you would have gotten
it before.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Okay, see one still can get one in this era.
Tough times. But on the plus side, they get to
play three games and four days, which we're gonna talk
about after this audio break. If you're listening to us,
I think it's still loud. We've gotten zero complaints about
the audio levels recently, so we appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
If you want to watch us, find us at YouTube
dot college Stack Clippers podcast coming up. We're talking the
upcoming week in Clippers basketball and three two one.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
All right, welcome back into Clips and Dip, the most
positive Clippers podcast on the internet. Well, I'll just go
with that.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Long thing.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
We talked about.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
We talked about where we've been. It's time to look
ahead to where we're going.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Are we going to five and nineteen?
Speaker 3 (31:48):
We got it three and four. This team is a
short amount of time to figure some stuff out. I
don't know, we're I guess we'll just start with the
Hawks on Wednesday, which will.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Be the day after we're releasing this. Where are you
guys at Well, they don't have Trey Young, so they're
probably gonna win. And the guy who made eight threes
against this last time is also able to play. So
I feel pretty shitty.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Hawks have been playing well, six and four of their
last ten. Jalen Johnson looks like everything that people imagine
he could be if he stayed healthy, one of the Clippers,
an All Star in their last ten, they're on to twelve.
I don't know how that works.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
What the hell we still And this goes back to
my thing that I said again last week of like,
it's so hard to try and look at this team
on a game by game basis because they are so
bad and even when they do the things that they
are bad at well, they just still find ways to
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lose the game.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
They forgot how to win. Honestly, they are expecting to lose.
The other teams expecting to win. They can come back.
They can hit everything from three against the Clippers. They
know when you play the Clippers, these are the things
that happened for you.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Do we think so they play Hawks Wednesday, back to
back Friday Saturday?
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Do we think they could remember how to win and
go three and now?
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Not on a back to back.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Agreed, but you're right, what are you talking about? Kawhy
just played a back to back? Oh they lost both those.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Back wasn't even pointed at Kawhy, it was just in general.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
I don't Oh, yeah, the Atlanta Friday, Memphis Saturday Minnesota,
and then you're.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Back home for a minute, right to like the fifteenth.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
You know, Oh, they have a rescheduled game in here,
right because Saturday December six against Minnesota and then the
next game is December eleventh at Houston, So they have yeah,
one of the in season tournament games scheduling there. Yeah,
the fallout in the season tournament.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Yeah, which we could could have won. Why do we
have a back to back in the day though? Yeah,
And then they played the Grizzlies on the fifteenth at home.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
We'll be interesting to see when they finally win that
game what that does for this Clippers team after losing
so many, When they finally win that, could that start something?
Speaker 3 (34:36):
It's something for the last time something was birth by
this team, dude.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Honestly, that is a good question, man.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
The last thing was that was birth was Rosemary's baby.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
I thought there was a third quarter against some team
that beat us, but I thought they played well and
I was like, this is maybe the best stretch of
basketball I watched all year. And then I think we
went on to lose. We probably did.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
But the Boston Philadelphia games on the road, those two
back to back games where James Harden had chances to
win it with three pointers and one was a foul
in Philly, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Yeah, those felt great. Yeah, all of these.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Like those were the losses. Those were the days. Those yeah, losses, we.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Can what is the DIEGNA impleanet like a quality loss column.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
You know, like a football ranking committee or yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
What would we be if the BCS was still around?
Speaker 2 (35:36):
The computers would not like us right now, No.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
They would not. What do you think two and one? No,
you're thinking three.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
I hope too. And one. I'll say one and two.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
I think yeah, I think it's one and two.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
I think it's lost win loss. Do we bring the
dips back? I asked Twitter, and they think we should.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
That would be that would be the full admission the
season is over.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Okay, yeah, let's maybe wait, what's the recording? Is the
record five and twenty that we bring the dips back?
Speaker 2 (36:20):
If they get to five and twenty?
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Sure, I'll tell you what if they get to four,
and if they get to four twenty, that would be.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
Away.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
They fucking might dude. One of them was a buzzer beater.
What if they review that? What if Pabulatory decides to
review the buzzer beater and they got taken away for
a month? Okay, five and twenty, we'll bring the Dips back.
This is our I think we might have to.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Yeah, probably, So that means they lose the next four
on the road trip. Yeah, if that happens, the Dips
are back.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
I don't think they'll lose the next four.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Hey, I didn't think they lose the last five, or
the last fourteen of sixteen or god, they can't get
real here.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
They're not going to lose the next four. They're not
gonna lose nine in a row. That's impossible.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Jack, you are really tempting fate here.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
I hate And so here's the thing. I hate that
I'm tempting fate by saying I don't think they'll lose
the next four.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
We remember, Fuck, we won two games in a month
of vaum.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
I know, my first full.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Month of the season, we won two games.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Hanna keeps asked me why I'm still watching. She says,
you get so mad. I said, that's because they.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Played jokes about it anymore.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
At work.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
They're just like, no, bro.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Someone asked me how I was doing it. I said,
doing great, loving these five and sixteen Clippers, and they went, okay.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
I'm getting people from the Bill Walton ere like this
is the worst I've ever seen it.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Someone on YouTube was like, sounds like you guys have
never watched the Coopers se lose before. I want to
be like, first of all, idiot, this is a completely
different scenario than being completely mismanded. It's like it used
to be.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
You're right, they've had fourteenth straight winning seasons, sir, it's
been a while.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
It's been it's been one hundred years. This was so
entitled this season feels like it's been one hundred years,
but it hasn't. It's been one hundred years. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
You got them losing tomorrow, but winning the game against
Memphis and losing to Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Winning one of the back to back games. However, if
they do go over and one, if they do go
oh to three, I will concede they have a pretty
good shot at going five and twenty Win.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
God Win, guys, John Collins, I've been watching closely. If
I put together a mixtape of how much he is
being hunted on defense the last three or four games,
I don't think people would believe it. I don't think
like every after every time out atos, everybody is just
going right at him. Oh. I did not think the
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defense would be this bad for him.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
And he's not doing himself any favors on the other
end of the floor.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
And he's missing layups. He's not putting him in a
position he's missing is this And by the way, he
shot over thirty eight percent combined in the last two
years from three, So I don't want to hear this
like he's not a three point shooter. He needs to
hit some threes.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
He's shooting his literal I believe last time I checked,
just probably too recently, his worst three point and two
point percentage of his career.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
We're not using him right, he shouldn't be, you know.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Right, well, you can't dribble.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
So you see what happened in the Lakers game of
the fourth quarter against him with those back door cuts
and just him being like, oh I got there's a
guy there.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
I'm a low man, the defense is crazy. The defense
is much worse than I thought it was.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Can you do a sub on a per possession basis?
Has that been tried before?
Speaker 2 (40:29):
It happens late in games they do.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
The wrestling move or they're using using him correctly? Is
love thread only on offense? And then he's taken off
the floor and.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
He's hiding on defense. You know what they gotta do
is he's off the floor, you give yourself a little
cut on the top of the hand, and that way
you got to make a sub. You go, blood of
my jersey. There's blood of my jersey. I gotta set out.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
Sane.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
Hey, wait, is the injury report out for tomorrow?
Speaker 1 (40:56):
Excuse Bogie is out his day to day injury. As
La Murray put, it is now a day to day
to day to day today.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
I've been twenty is back on the menu? Boys, even
bro are we okay?
Speaker 1 (41:12):
So here's what's frustrating is five for twenty is a
goddamn Chilies.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Deal Applebee's please.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
Okay, whatever, it's the point you get five items for
twenty dollars.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
Yeah, it's like two probably like two weird dackarees and
like a tiny steak.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Get an appetizer. Let me look, it's a dinner for
two things.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
Okay, we're going to dinner if they get to five
and twenty, yeah are we?
Speaker 1 (41:43):
We're going to where?
Speaker 2 (41:46):
I'm going to a bar?
Speaker 1 (41:48):
Okay two apple Applebee's is two for twenty. I was off. Shit.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
Fuck, will there goes partnership.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
If they if they get to five and twenty, I see,
I will treat us all to Applebee's on my dime.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
I don't want to good Applebee's.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
Well, I don't want us to be five and twenty, dude,
and you're not paying for it. They got salads.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
I can't believe. This is how bad things are. Jordan
Miller comes back, has a six to zero run, immediately
hurts his back. He's questionable for tomorrow now too, Like they, yes,
we're not hurt. We could really use Jordan Miller. We
could use and he could use these reps like this
(42:40):
is the last few weeks would have been great for him.
Kobe Sanders has regressed some or the book is out
and teams are stamping him and yeah, it's confidence. Whatever
it happens.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
King Christy can't hit water if you fill out of
a damn boat. I'm using ramp sayings now is how
bad this team is?
Speaker 2 (43:01):
Sort of the sort said that once.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Yeah, why isn't the team going?
Speaker 3 (43:09):
Why am I not getting more team dinners?
Speaker 1 (43:12):
This is what I wanted to talk about. Wow, what
a way to bring this all back earlier when I
forgot what I was going to say. So during the
Lakers game, they talked about how the Lakers did some
wacky outing together they like organized by Reddick or.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
Guy.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
Of course he's suing to get a child's summer camp
off of the pickleball court. Anyway, I was like, Oh,
the Clippers should do some wacky team outings. Well they
did a shoot around. They did one extra shoot around,
so on the WAU not fun on the wacky team
outing scale, they're here, They're at the they're below the scale.
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We start getting more.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
Grab grab some sizzler, go to skys on.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
We went to the skys though, we went to f one card.
We start getting into like some of the guys have
a graph crew and they go out and tag at night.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
Once we get to stuff like this, then they are
very disjointed. Then they need something going on. And I
do know that, Like we make too much out of
the team ditters and who's a team leader, and who
yet and all that stuff and like and all that stuff.
But there is something that looks very disjointed on this team,
and I think you gotta try to work that out somehow.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
I don't know the answer.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Progressively what I just told you, I think that would
fix it progressively. Whack here. Oh, Team shooter round kind
of just feels like work.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
Oh that's more work.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Oh, Team pottery class, this is fun.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
Team ropes course.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
Team ropes course. Well nothing, we know a guy nothing
high up where you would fall.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
We know a guy who could lead the ropes course.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
You do, hey, oh yeah I do. Yeah, Whackier Ship.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
Win a game, win a game, that would be wack coach.
All right, so we're gonna have this crazy outing. It's
a state farm arena in Atlanta tomorrow, guys. Pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
This is very clearly the two differences in head coach
Mockler and head coach Ocelin. You guys want a fun time,
how about we win a fucking game. I'm like candy,
We got Candy.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
We bring lou willback just as a just divide.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
Ye take.
Speaker 3 (45:40):
He's not gonna play to.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
Be clear, speaking of Clippers who were vibes, We're gonna
end the show on kind of a bittersweet note. Congratulations
to the Nilo Gallinari for retiring. Fantastic career, an incredible clipper.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
Yeah, he was good and there's a two year thing.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
How are we needed?
Speaker 2 (46:02):
He was a part of that twenty nineteen first round
series against Golden State and for.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
What the team needed at the time, it was this
transition period. It was like, dude, he's consistent, he's goofies if.
Speaker 3 (46:13):
You look back. I mean, he and Tobias Harris were
such a pivotal part into what would become the two
and three era, which I know we all have bitter
feelings on now, but uh, a lot of things don't
happen with those two guys.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
And he was part of one of the greatest bits
Will and I ever invented or nicknames, which was Tobias
Harris and Denio Gallinari were Tobio. Mariam Swanson hates that,
which I don't get. Shout out Mariam Swanson, who does
wonderful work anyway, crazy he's retiring, Shout out to you
the rooster the rooster man. All right, that about wraps
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things up. One of us is going to be in
Las Vegas at a collegiate wrestling tournament this weekend, so
there might only be an episode on Sunday, but we'll
figure something out.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
There.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
Will there will be Clippers talk, I know that much.
Thank you Adam for continuing to do that. I'm sorry
for the abuse that you get in the chat.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Will. They're not even real people. Let's just troll.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Makes me laugh, Will, Where can people I do think
when things are bad, it's kind of fun to listen
to this show because we have a little bit of
fun with it. Where can people review their sorrowful listening
of clips and.
Speaker 3 (47:30):
Do yeah, yeah, we'll take pity likes. You can review
us anywhere you get your podcasts, over on Apple Podcasters.
Spotify is the best way to do it helps us out.
I don't know where they aggregate reviews on other things,
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You can also check us out over on YouTube dot
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you watch, if you're still listening, if you're still watching,
we appreciate you so so much. Uh, maybe we can
turn this ship around dish.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:06):
Maybe. And if you've ever worked for if you've ever
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Go ahead and give us five stars for being a
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Speaker 2 (48:15):
There.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
Uh adam, this keeps getting more difficult every week. It
started as a fun thing, but now it's like, damn,
we need one positive thing to head into this three
and four.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
Coach Lou finally pushed the if you're not gonna play hard,
you're not gonna play button. And I want to see
what happens tomorrow. After the starters got ventilated did in
the third quarter.
Speaker 1 (48:41):
There we go. We want to see it. Thank you
for listening. As Will said, here's to me not having
to take everyone to Applebee's. I don't want to be
five and twenty and when we're six and twenty, I
am a party like a god damn lunatic.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
You know it's not good in the neighborhood the Clippers
right now, No, not at all.
Speaker 1 (49:04):
Thank you to everybody. We will be back soon and
as always, let's go Clips.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
Yeah,
What's going on? Clippers fans? Welcome to season for episode
thirteen of Clips and Dim. I am Chuck Buckler. The
full crew is here. We got Adam Oslin, William Updyke.
We are If you're still listening to Clippers podcast, we
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slash at Clippers podcast reviews, help us wherever you can
leave them. The Clippers are not playing well. Making breakdowns
is hard for when the team is like this, Adam
and Will how are you doing? How's it going?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
We're here, We're still showing up.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
We are still showing up. They just keep losing.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
And I keep but they keep showing up.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
They competing.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Well.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
I had a friend who, yeah, they're there. He had
perfect attendance, but he kept getting d's and c's and
they would say, you are in attendance, but you are
not present. And that's how it feels. It's performances have been.
It did not turn his scholastic career around. They're five
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and sixteen.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
He didn't understand what that meant. What the hell are
you talking about?
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Most recent loss to the Heat, they gave up a
thirty to two run at one point, which that wasn't
very fun last week. Last week when we were kind
of talking about trades and stuff, Will I've had a
couple of hypotheticals that we talked about last week that
have now basically become true. You were like, oh, when
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we were four and ten, you were like, oh, double
this up. What if we're eight and twenty, what would
you do? Would you make trades? Then we're pretty damn
close to eight and twenty. Uh what Yeah? And the
other the other one that had me freaked out was
when I was like, I think we'd know if James
(02:17):
Harden was very frustrated based on how he would act
in a postgame interview. And then we got the postgame
interview after the MAVs game where he was like, it's
just difficult. Everything is difficult when it comes to trying
to work on stuff.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
We might be at five and twenty, dude, Like, it's
not unfeasible.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
I brought this up like three weeks ago, like twenty
losses before ten wins?
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Is that the Phil Jackson rule?
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Yes, that's where you want to be.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
That's like, uh, the Eric Human rule or something.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
It's twenty losses is what you want if you're aiming
to be a championship team.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Okay, so we have some room to go.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
That's the magic Johnson as a head coach rule.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Yeah, so what I guess? Haggle, no, haggle? Could things
get any worse the scheme of reality? Like for how
this is going? Yes, obviously there's two catastrophic things that
could happen.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Is it better or worse than? Kauhi is backed.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Average in thirty five the last three games? Crazy efficiency. Honestly,
you look at the individual numbers of him and Jayon
this year and you're like, how do they have just
five wins?
Speaker 1 (03:41):
What happens? What cant are they going to continue to?
Just try and be better?
Speaker 2 (03:51):
I think it still starts on defense. And I'm not
even talking about transition defense because that's probably a lost cause.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Just the chapter defense.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Yeah, just just get back to being you know, a
top fifteen defense. Is that is that too much to
ask right now? Apparently that they'd have to jump up
like ten or twelve spot to get there.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
That might be to it's.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Crazy that they can't even be average defensively after what
we saw last year.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
They're twenty six.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Yeah, they're also I mean they are like somebody released
a graphic today, have like points given up by turnover,
and they are headed shoulders above the worst team. Like
they're in a different column.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Then the Jazz. There's a substantial gap between the Clippers
and the Jazz on that graph. I call it the
Gulf of Inglewood said that joke at work. No one laughed,
no one cared.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Say you take out the forty one points off turnovers
they gave to the Orlando Magic that one game, Say
you take that out.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
They're still the worst, but they're still probably yeah, is closing,
my friends.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
What's so frustrating is like even when last night the
Clippers like were killing them in fast break points or
points off of two numbers. They were up plus ten
early in the game, it points off for turnombers. So
even when a thing that's going right is happening, there's
just a wall of like, no, we are not going
to allow ourselves to capitalize on this good thing that
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is happening. We are going to piss it away somehow
by not focusing.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Bottom line, they can't put close to forty eight minutes
of good basketball together. They can have a good stretch,
they can have a good five minutes, but how many
good quarters have they had all the way through, honestly
or just good half? I mean they have had some
good halbs, I guess because they've had leads in enough
first halves. They've blown the most ten point plus leads
(05:53):
so far. But yeah, ten points. I mean they were
up ten early on Dallas. Did that mean that much? No,
the first quarter on everybody. So they're getting off to
good stars. Everybody's complained about first quarters. Now now you
get the other side of it.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
What you wanted. Yeah, but you're right, they're like will
watching this team. It's never like we are in control.
There's no help, no, no, nothing at all.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
It's I think even asking for four quarters of competent
basketball current league average is like is a tall order? Like,
forget about good? Can we get four quarters of competent basketball?
Speaker 2 (06:44):
There's nothing you can rely upon with this group right
now at all. There's nothing you can hang your hat on.
I mean you can rely on some of the negative things,
but I mean the positive stuff, there's nothing to find there.
I will say this.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Why is the best free throw shooter in the league?
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah? I was happy to see coach Lou pulled the
bench the starters lever a minute and a half into
that third quarter. That did something.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
For me was Harden's ninety six seconds of the second half.
Some kind of a message there too. He played a
minute twenty five in the second half of that basketball
game Couiet.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Everybody else came back except for him with the starters.
I went back and watched them tape to see where
he was on the bench. I wanted to see the
rest of what Kawhi did because he had nineteen in
the fourth quarter, and I was like, you know what,
I got to rewatch this, and he did have some
incredible plays, and they were playing way harder, which I
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think was the message. If you're not going to play hard,
you were going to be benched. Message h James. Harden
was on the bench all the way on the left side.
Everybody was clapping and looked somewhat in gauged for those
that care about that body language stuff when they made shots.
So I don't know if there's something to read into
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there or not.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
He was playing particularly poorly that game, so maybe tell
me the last this isn't getting better.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
The last two games from James have been really bad,
and now two things can be true. Last two games
were awful from him. He's also been their best player
this season, right.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Like it is it is hard for me, like when
you play so badly, it does show you know what,
because it's like there's the body language thing. Right. But
like I think he's he has like a couple more games,
I guess for me because of what he's done this year.
Not that we're winning games, but he's made them a
lot easier to watch and deal with.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
I guess it could have been as simple as he
didn't come back into the game because he's played by
far the most minutes for them this season.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
I hope it's that, Like I hope it's some sort
of conscious thing to keep something in the tank. If
they're able to get even semi competent, I mean, I
don't know, I don't know what. Yeah, if they're at
five and twenty, like you gotta be thinking, like let's
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just shed some salary because they're only what over the
tax five like five mil or something. I think they
just like slash Brook Lopez is already getting DMP and
they can reset their repeater tax.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
You're wearing a jacket today, so you got the front
office vibes. I'm appreciative of that. So people do want change, right,
which I'm not knocking people that.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Are frustrated changes. I'm just not I'm not confident at
this point that it can promote that much winning.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
That's the thing. So I was trying to think of
like taking out the people who are like hire Mike
will Own because I'm like, yeah, just who wants to
come coach this Clippers team? Guy, I don't think he
wants to do that. It's like, there's like two options
for people who want change in terms of realistic changes.
(10:16):
I think if things like we get another couple of
thirty to two runs and stuff like that, where it's
like either Lawrence Frank is ensured that he's still the
GM and then they just fire Tyloo and have an
internal hire right out the rest of the season, or
they're both canned and then they have an interim GM
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and an interim head coach to ride things out. Works
for Denver, but that to me feels like if you
want change, those are the two things I think you
should maybe not expect. But if there were to be
a change, that's what I think they would be looking at.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
And I don't know, yeah, those are probably the options.
I don't know how much it's.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
I don't love either of them.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Like Lote came out with me pregame was like the
same guys on the coaching staff that aren't able to
get more out of the team right now you want
them to be the head coach. I just find a
lot of this shocking. And to see this record at
five is sixteen, you know, change could be coming. That's
how sports work. It's much easier to let go of
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one person and have massive roster turnover. But I would
look at shipping players out before firing the GM or
the head coach like that.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
I think, I think, and this is the this is
the issue, like so many teams find themselves in. It
is like it's a lot harder to completely overhaul a
roster than it is to you know, fire your front
office and coaching staff. And I mean, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
A roster with no picks either, Like it's not like
a roster.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
With no picks either, Like with you know, we have
zero leverage in any of these things, Like you know,
we not zero, but we have like pretty limited levels.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
It's close, it's kind of close to zero. They're playing
poorly like but and that's what I want.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
I mean, like, do you do you change your approach?
I mean, if the supporting cast is looking this bad,
you know it's it's looking this bad. We you know,
we've we've exalted the praises of James Harden last game
excluded and Kawhi uh when available. But like if everything
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else is is so man and so broken, like do
you have to think that maybe even if you're eyeing
you know, twenty twenty seven, it's further away than you think,
and like maybe you do make deals that even if
it yields at the same or worse of a result
this season, that you kind of have to pivot what
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your strategy is long term for a team, because we're
looking at one of the worst starts in franchise history,
which is incredible to say for the Clippers organization, Like
this is just an organization that, you know, prior to
the arrival of Farmer was like just marred in beyond
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mediocrety terribleness. Uh, and we're talking about one of the
worst starts in franchise history.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
I think to that point, like when people were talking
about the Damar trade, it was like, dude, if you're
gonna trade for DeMar Derosan, trade everybody and just start
start over in the Clippers sense, because we're not a
DeMar DeRozan away from anything. And like he's off the
team next year, you know what I mean, Like he's
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ten percent salary, all that stuff. Like it's like, if
you're gonna in my head, if you're gonna make one
trade that involves, like, let's trade John Collins, who I
still think has a chance to maybe get some kind
of an extension from the Clippers. There's only three guys
on the roster for twenty seven to twenty eight, Like
just you know what I mean, Like, if you're gonna
make the small move, what's the point of the small move?
Speaker 2 (14:07):
I got a question. Is Kawhi Leonard tradeable because of
the aspiration stuff and his contract?
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Man, I've been like trying to pretend in my head,
I'm like, of course the aspiration stuff doesn't matter. But
then I'm like it has to matter a little bit.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
And if you can't trade Kawhi, do you trade other
guys to make the team worse while Kauhi is still here.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Which and then maybe he demands a trade and then
you can't get anything for him because they're like, well
he wants a trade.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Like that could get really messy.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
That gets gross because that's like you trade Zoo.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Like Kauhi on a clearly tanking team just by himself.
That doesn't seem sound like something he'd want at thirty four.
But if you can can't move same, yeah, shut him
down for the season.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
I don't know, right, because he still got another year.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
I do think I don't want to make rash decisions
that would preclude them from going after much better free
agents in the future. I know T twenty seven might
seem far off, but this has always been the plan.
And if you're gonna have a knee jerk reaction to
put to bring in somebody that's good or decent but
(15:37):
not great, just as satisfy the fans that something different
is going on, but ultimately it's gonna hold you back
from being a very good team that can contend again.
I don't want to see that.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Right, Like I was looking at I was texting with
Justin Rousseau in French, uh, and I was like, what
they do the DeMar thing? And he pointed out that
like next year his contract is ten percent so it's
like they would, but if they did, he's effectively he
probably wouldn't be on the team next year. So like
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to your point out, it's like, great, we get a
year of DeMar DeRozan and we was out on maybe
signing a guy who could be an okay young piece. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Well, and I'm not suggesting that, I'm not suggesting any
sort of stop gap for this. I'm saying like, do
you start to like seriously evaluate like how you can
a mass more draft capital or do you know even
just going for younger guys with with upside? You know,
if it's not the like the home run trade that
you want, but there's like a young like some younger
players with upside even that haven't realized potentially yet, Like
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do you start to think out that plan a little
bit differently than than like currently constructed. I mean, and
it still is difficult because of the pieces that you're
dealing with, Like you're talking about agent superstars who can
still contribute very well, I mean, could fit into a
lot of teams, I mean, depending and have clout.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Like you said, like these are guys that are like
James Harden is helping recruit Bradley Bale. You know what
I mean, like these guys have cashet.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
If they said we're trading the superstars. Let's say you
can get something decent for Kawhi and James Harden, a
late first round pick, whatever, and players that don't have
five year poison pill type contracts that are going to
nuke your chances of bringing in Yannish or whoever. If
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you can do all that, and even if you bring
in tomorrow okay, his contract up is up in twenty
twenty seven. If you bring in guys like that, or
even if you say we're just going full youth movement, okay,
see pick be damned, we do not care.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
People would that would be so fun.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
But it's like they're trying to win now. And okay, see,
you could end up getting a great pick. At least
you might end up with some first round picks while
you're losing instead of what's happening currently.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Yeah, and I also think that, like, I think everyone
has to be on the table if you go that
route too.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Yeah, I think you keep I mean, Cleo, oh, I hate,
but nobody will get you more than Zoo.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
No, no one's get any more. Like Derek Jones Junior
stays because he's hurt. I don't think you're trading a
hurt guy who's also on a good contract.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
I you could trade him.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
I think you could. Yeah, his contract's so cheap though. Ten.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
But like if somebody is offering you let a pick
and a player on near that contract, Yeah, it has
to all be about the future at that point, even
somebody that's twenty eight, twenty nine.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
You're right, sorry, get out of here.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
We suck whole sale changes. They could go that route
while still keeping all the cap room for twenty six,
where they could have a max slot in twenty six
and two and twenty seven do and.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
I will say cap room is difficult if you don't
have much to sell people on. But it is still la.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
La Balmer new arena. I mean, look at Devin Booker
and how he reacted to the arena last year. Wanted
to shake Balmer's hand and stuff, like, guys do care
about this stuff. And also you don't have to.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Talk to the press. You can kind of do whatever
you want.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
It's not just about getting unrestricted free agents, which is
less likely in today's NBA. It's about, Okay, they get
some first round picks back and they have some expiring
contracts and you package stuff like that together to bring
in somebody that absorbs some of the cap room instead
of just getting somebody as an unrestricted free agent. Yeah, maam, hey,
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I would love for the them to turn this thing around,
but we got to be realistic with where this kid go.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
What does what does turning it around? Look like?
Speaker 2 (20:10):
They are a twenty and five run.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
They're like five games out of a plant spot.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
That's not that many.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
It's not it's not.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Currently I've out of tenth.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
I mean, he got eighteen in March. You go seventeen
and one, you're making up some ground there.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
I didn't think about that, right, Have we thought about
that's the momentum going out of the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
How this team could go seventeen and one of mark Yeah,
I think And again I'm not quite at the like,
I don't know what firing someone does as of right now.
If we see like four more games in a row
or something like, if we go we have a three
games and four nine, which thank you NBA scheduled geniuses
(21:02):
for that. If they go zero to three and they
have three more instances of like a thirty to two
run or something, then I'm like Okay, Like then we're
where in maybe someone should be like go territory. I'm
much closer to that. I just like you have to
do something like it is such a unique scenario that
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like they don't have picks, and I know that it's
an it sucks that it's our unique scenario, but it's
such a weird like because again, this job.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
I mean, that's what I'm saying though, that that goes
back to like the head coaching in front office thing.
And if you're eyeing a you know, a significant rebuild,
do you even want to partake that with the same
president of basketball operations as you've had through this era.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
The problem is you've had. These are the guys that
set you up for this plan. If you bring in
somebody else, First of all, how attractive of a job
is it considering they don't have their picks? And are
they just going to have to Are they going to
have to submit to the same plan because that is
the most rational way to do this. Yeah, So what
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are we changing? Like, what is someone else's vision going
to be that's going to be drastically different considering the
Clippers don't own their draft pick till twenty thirty.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
It's a collision faster, less turnovers, Bomber goes Wait a second, Uh,
It's a collision of a team that has to be
patient because of the big trade that they made for
Shay in an NBA sphere that is the opposite of
(22:46):
that like we have Like obviously this was a plan.
People didn't think they were going to be five and sixteen.
We thought we would maybe win fifty games or whatever,
but there was you didn't think the floor was five
and sixteen, right, Like, so it being this bad, it's
like I wonder if they're just like, well, this is
an anomaly. John Collins shooting his lowest percentage from three
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and two he's ever had in his career. Like, there's
a bunch of goofy shit going on. But we're in
this sports sphere where it's like the NBA is gonna
look so different at this trade deadline. I think I'm
not breaking stories like Shan's. I'm not doing this for press,
but like things just expectations and the whole apron thing
makes shit move so differently. But the Clippers have to
(23:31):
like ride this out. So again they were the first
to kind of do with the first Apron stuff. When
they move Paul George. They're the first team that and
probably only team because I don't think another team will
make a trade like they did to try and figure
out the future with this new CBA with zero draft
picks and being ass like and being apparently one of
(23:53):
the worst teams in the league.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Well, it's just crazy because we're not that far removed
from like how they were able to pivot from the
two and three era. I mean, it was like a
rousing success and then you know with the youth and
the era, yeah, and well like and with the like
just how overnight the change in like the youth movement
and speed and possession battle has become in the NBA,
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and how aggressive defenses are. It's just like, you know,
they're ancient on the court, They're they're playing a different ballgame.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
They're dribbling like this fingertips.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
I still see the second half of that game last
night when Kawhi comes back in down thirty eight, and
I'm like, so, why did you guys play this hard earlier?
Is it or is it effort? Where was this? Where
was this pop that I'm seeing a Vista Zubats going
up for a huge dunk. I'm playing like they give
a damn. I still wonder how much of it is
just they needed like they needed some tough love from
(24:54):
coach Lou and he finally said no a minute and
a half into the third quarter, you're out. I don't know,
we'll find out tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
I mean, I will say if we're if we go
zero to three. But you're seeing coach lud do aggressive
things like you know, like what you know, what do
you do with that?
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Yeah, my concrete shoes are five pounds less. My thing
before we talk about this text, uh my thing with
damn it, I totally lost my train of thought. All right, neverybody,
It'll come back to me at an inopportunity time.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
But do you, just to Will's point, do you feel
like stability in body of work has to play a
major factor here, even in what looks like a lost season,
that this is just an anomaly, this is an outlier.
Like I'm looking at you know, the Miami he go
(25:47):
win thirty seven games last year, They've had a thirty
nine win season with Eric Spolstra, and there's no talk
of like Eric Spolstro's out of here. People are gonna
so you can't compare those two. Yeah you can, because
I've heard the same stuff about Coach Lou. Oh he
was carried by Lebron and that's the only reason he
won a title.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
I know he's gotten back there through the play in
because the East was so bad. And I do think
he's the best coach in the league. But there are
some similarities there. And they know he's their guy, he's
their lifer. They gave him the extension like a year before,
six months before Coach Lou got his just this last year,
before the start of last season. Do you just say
(26:31):
this is our guy, it's an offseason. Bad seasons happen.
We're going to see it through. We're going to stick
with this group.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
I wonder if Tye wants to do that for a
super long time.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
I think that's a good point because I think Ty's
been frustrated for a while because everybody talks about coach
Lou and oh, Marcus Morris and all these things like
who's had to deal with a worse hand over the
last six years than coach Lou with star availability, it's
not close.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Right, and and he oh, you get knocked.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Out in the first round. Yeah, maybe go back and
look who was available in most of those series. We
had one healthy series this past year, and yes he
deserves some criticism for that, but how many times has
he had all his guys?
Speaker 1 (27:20):
So that's what I wonder too, If like Tyler's like, yeah,
sign me up for a weird, soft dish rebuild, not
softish rebuild, weird, jagged, painful rebuild.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
I thought it was going a lot us more set
there first.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
I wish, But I'm also like Van Gundy doesn't want
to do that shit either. People like hire Van Gundy
to be the head coach.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
He can't be a head coach.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Dude, he does not want to be a head coach. Like,
do you think the offense would you think the Austin
would blo offense would blossom if we have Van Gundy
as our head coach. Like.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
The thing that sucks though, is like outside of the
clear top team, the West is fairly.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Open outside of a team is gonna win seventy three games?
Speaker 3 (28:06):
Yeah, it's three games between two and seven.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
You got a lot of teams like in this in
this middle ground. So I don't know how that affects
like any sort of potential dealings either, if other teams
are like wear this far away or like you know,
we see things could could swing in our favor.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
I don't know, you make up those five games to
get into the player.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
But that's the other thing about trades too, is like
it really truly does depend on the market. Like, yeah,
you're not getting you're not getting four first for Rudy
Gobert in this current market, but you did at the time.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
If your best hope is getting out of the nine
to ten playing, which means you end up playing the
one seed Oklahoma City Thunder, and that is your end
game to this season, that's pretty bleak.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
What do you think the cumulative? What do you think
the I think that US minus differential in a seven
game series against the Thunder would be right.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Now, I ain't gonna be called a seven game series.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Oh man. I would so much rather and I I
don't usually go this route.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
I can't.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
I cannot stress enough how much I would rather not
make the playoffs than get beat by a cumulative that
would be a one hundred and sixty five points over
four games against the Thunder.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
That would be embarrassing. That would be so demoralizing.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Dude, talk about the Clippers getting made fun of. That
would be I mean.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Well, that's why even last year I was like, if
you lose to the Thunder, which would have happened in
the second round, I don't know, bro.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
That had the texts from people during that.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
That's the type of storyline that could get people fired
that you know, it all comes to a head and
the guy that you traded ends up beating you, or
in this case, if they played him in the first
round this season, I mean they would they would get dominated.
With the way the Clippers are playing, it would it
would be a three game series.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Nbas.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
But if you give Thunder a lottery pick, our jobs
still safe.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Yeah, because that has to have been built into the
rationale of the trade.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
You do have to like.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
We're gonna be so good, they're gonna be lower picks.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
But there might there's no way. There's a contingency where
they're like, we might suck ass, Like there is a chance.
I hope. Someone in the room was like, what if
we suck ass one year and it's the number one pick?
Speaker 2 (30:41):
You know what that you know what? The response was,
we already won a championship. We're okay with that. Yeah,
that's where it was.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
All.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
This is fine. If you had won that championship, you're
comforted by that, and you would you would have gotten
it before.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Okay, see one still can get one in this era.
Tough times. But on the plus side, they get to
play three games and four days, which we're gonna talk
about after this audio break. If you're listening to us,
I think it's still loud. We've gotten zero complaints about
the audio levels recently, so we appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
If you want to watch us, find us at YouTube
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upcoming week in Clippers basketball and three two one.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
All right, welcome back into Clips and Dip, the most
positive Clippers podcast on the internet. Well, I'll just go
with that.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Long thing.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
We talked about.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
We talked about where we've been. It's time to look
ahead to where we're going.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Are we going to five and nineteen?
Speaker 3 (31:48):
We got it three and four. This team is a
short amount of time to figure some stuff out. I
don't know, we're I guess we'll just start with the
Hawks on Wednesday, which will.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Be the day after we're releasing this. Where are you
guys at Well, they don't have Trey Young, so they're
probably gonna win. And the guy who made eight threes
against this last time is also able to play. So
I feel pretty shitty.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Hawks have been playing well, six and four of their
last ten. Jalen Johnson looks like everything that people imagine
he could be if he stayed healthy, one of the Clippers,
an All Star in their last ten, they're on to twelve.
I don't know how that works.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
What the hell we still And this goes back to
my thing that I said again last week of like,
it's so hard to try and look at this team
on a game by game basis because they are so
bad and even when they do the things that they
are bad at well, they just still find ways to
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lose the game.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
They forgot how to win. Honestly, they are expecting to lose.
The other teams expecting to win. They can come back.
They can hit everything from three against the Clippers. They
know when you play the Clippers, these are the things
that happened for you.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Do we think so they play Hawks Wednesday, back to
back Friday Saturday?
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Do we think they could remember how to win and
go three and now?
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Not on a back to back.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Agreed, but you're right, what are you talking about? Kawhy
just played a back to back? Oh they lost both those.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Back wasn't even pointed at Kawhy, it was just in general.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
I don't Oh, yeah, the Atlanta Friday, Memphis Saturday Minnesota,
and then you're.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Back home for a minute, right to like the fifteenth.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
You know, Oh, they have a rescheduled game in here,
right because Saturday December six against Minnesota and then the
next game is December eleventh at Houston, So they have yeah,
one of the in season tournament games scheduling there. Yeah,
the fallout in the season tournament.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Yeah, which we could could have won. Why do we
have a back to back in the day though? Yeah,
And then they played the Grizzlies on the fifteenth at home.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
We'll be interesting to see when they finally win that
game what that does for this Clippers team after losing
so many, When they finally win that, could that start something?
Speaker 3 (34:36):
It's something for the last time something was birth by
this team, dude.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Honestly, that is a good question, man.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
The last thing was that was birth was Rosemary's baby.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
I thought there was a third quarter against some team
that beat us, but I thought they played well and
I was like, this is maybe the best stretch of
basketball I watched all year. And then I think we
went on to lose. We probably did.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
But the Boston Philadelphia games on the road, those two
back to back games where James Harden had chances to
win it with three pointers and one was a foul
in Philly, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Yeah, those felt great. Yeah, all of these.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Like those were the losses. Those were the days. Those yeah, losses, we.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Can what is the DIEGNA impleanet like a quality loss column.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
You know, like a football ranking committee or yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
What would we be if the BCS was still around?
Speaker 2 (35:36):
The computers would not like us right now, No.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
They would not. What do you think two and one? No,
you're thinking three.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
I hope too. And one. I'll say one and two.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
I think yeah, I think it's one and two.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
I think it's lost win loss. Do we bring the
dips back? I asked Twitter, and they think we should.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
That would be that would be the full admission the
season is over.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Okay, yeah, let's maybe wait, what's the recording? Is the
record five and twenty that we bring the dips back?
Speaker 2 (36:20):
If they get to five and twenty?
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Sure, I'll tell you what if they get to four,
and if they get to four twenty, that would be.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
Away.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
They fucking might dude. One of them was a buzzer beater.
What if they review that? What if Pabulatory decides to
review the buzzer beater and they got taken away for
a month? Okay, five and twenty, we'll bring the Dips back.
This is our I think we might have to.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Yeah, probably, So that means they lose the next four
on the road trip. Yeah, if that happens, the Dips
are back.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
I don't think they'll lose the next four.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Hey, I didn't think they lose the last five, or
the last fourteen of sixteen or god, they can't get
real here.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
They're not going to lose the next four. They're not
gonna lose nine in a row. That's impossible.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Jack, you are really tempting fate here.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
I hate And so here's the thing. I hate that
I'm tempting fate by saying I don't think they'll lose
the next four.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
We remember, Fuck, we won two games in a month
of vaum.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
I know, my first full.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Month of the season, we won two games.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Hanna keeps asked me why I'm still watching. She says,
you get so mad. I said, that's because they.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Played jokes about it anymore.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
At work.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
They're just like, no, bro.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Someone asked me how I was doing it. I said,
doing great, loving these five and sixteen Clippers, and they went, okay.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
I'm getting people from the Bill Walton ere like this
is the worst I've ever seen it.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Someone on YouTube was like, sounds like you guys have
never watched the Coopers se lose before. I want to
be like, first of all, idiot, this is a completely
different scenario than being completely mismanded. It's like it used
to be.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
You're right, they've had fourteenth straight winning seasons, sir, it's
been a while.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
It's been it's been one hundred years. This was so
entitled this season feels like it's been one hundred years,
but it hasn't. It's been one hundred years. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
You got them losing tomorrow, but winning the game against
Memphis and losing to Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Winning one of the back to back games. However, if
they do go over and one, if they do go
oh to three, I will concede they have a pretty
good shot at going five and twenty Win.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
God Win, guys, John Collins, I've been watching closely. If
I put together a mixtape of how much he is
being hunted on defense the last three or four games,
I don't think people would believe it. I don't think
like every after every time out atos, everybody is just
going right at him. Oh. I did not think the
(39:26):
defense would be this bad for him.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
And he's not doing himself any favors on the other
end of the floor.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
And he's missing layups. He's not putting him in a
position he's missing is this And by the way, he
shot over thirty eight percent combined in the last two
years from three, So I don't want to hear this
like he's not a three point shooter. He needs to
hit some threes.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
He's shooting his literal I believe last time I checked,
just probably too recently, his worst three point and two
point percentage of his career.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
We're not using him right, he shouldn't be, you know.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Right, well, you can't dribble.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
So you see what happened in the Lakers game of
the fourth quarter against him with those back door cuts
and just him being like, oh I got there's a
guy there.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
I'm a low man, the defense is crazy. The defense
is much worse than I thought it was.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Can you do a sub on a per possession basis?
Has that been tried before?
Speaker 2 (40:29):
It happens late in games they do.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
The wrestling move or they're using using him correctly? Is
love thread only on offense? And then he's taken off
the floor and.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
He's hiding on defense. You know what they gotta do
is he's off the floor, you give yourself a little
cut on the top of the hand, and that way
you got to make a sub. You go, blood of
my jersey. There's blood of my jersey. I gotta set out.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
Sane.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
Hey, wait, is the injury report out for tomorrow?
Speaker 1 (40:56):
Excuse Bogie is out his day to day injury. As
La Murray put, it is now a day to day
to day to day today.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
I've been twenty is back on the menu? Boys, even
bro are we okay?
Speaker 1 (41:12):
So here's what's frustrating is five for twenty is a
goddamn Chilies.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Deal Applebee's please.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
Okay, whatever, it's the point you get five items for
twenty dollars.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
Yeah, it's like two probably like two weird dackarees and
like a tiny steak.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Get an appetizer. Let me look, it's a dinner for
two things.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
Okay, we're going to dinner if they get to five
and twenty, yeah are we?
Speaker 1 (41:43):
We're going to where?
Speaker 2 (41:46):
I'm going to a bar?
Speaker 1 (41:48):
Okay two apple Applebee's is two for twenty. I was off. Shit.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
Fuck, will there goes partnership.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
If they if they get to five and twenty, I see,
I will treat us all to Applebee's on my dime.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
I don't want to good Applebee's.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
Well, I don't want us to be five and twenty, dude,
and you're not paying for it. They got salads.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
I can't believe. This is how bad things are. Jordan
Miller comes back, has a six to zero run, immediately
hurts his back. He's questionable for tomorrow now too, Like they, yes,
we're not hurt. We could really use Jordan Miller. We
could use and he could use these reps like this
(42:40):
is the last few weeks would have been great for him.
Kobe Sanders has regressed some or the book is out
and teams are stamping him and yeah, it's confidence. Whatever
it happens.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
King Christy can't hit water if you fill out of
a damn boat. I'm using ramp sayings now is how
bad this team is?
Speaker 2 (43:01):
Sort of the sort said that once.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Yeah, why isn't the team going?
Speaker 3 (43:09):
Why am I not getting more team dinners?
Speaker 1 (43:12):
This is what I wanted to talk about. Wow, what
a way to bring this all back earlier when I
forgot what I was going to say. So during the
Lakers game, they talked about how the Lakers did some
wacky outing together they like organized by Reddick or.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
Guy.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
Of course he's suing to get a child's summer camp
off of the pickleball court. Anyway, I was like, Oh,
the Clippers should do some wacky team outings. Well they
did a shoot around. They did one extra shoot around,
so on the WAU not fun on the wacky team
outing scale, they're here, They're at the they're below the scale.
(43:52):
We start getting more.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
Grab grab some sizzler, go to skys on.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
We went to the skys though, we went to f one card.
We start getting into like some of the guys have
a graph crew and they go out and tag at night.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
Once we get to stuff like this, then they are
very disjointed. Then they need something going on. And I
do know that, Like we make too much out of
the team ditters and who's a team leader, and who
yet and all that stuff and like and all that stuff.
But there is something that looks very disjointed on this team,
and I think you gotta try to work that out somehow.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
I don't know the answer.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Progressively what I just told you, I think that would
fix it progressively. Whack here. Oh, Team shooter round kind
of just feels like work.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
Oh that's more work.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Oh, Team pottery class, this is fun.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
Team ropes course.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
Team ropes course. Well nothing, we know a guy nothing
high up where you would fall.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
We know a guy who could lead the ropes course.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
You do, hey, oh yeah I do. Yeah, Whackier Ship.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
Win a game, win a game, that would be wack coach.
All right, so we're gonna have this crazy outing. It's
a state farm arena in Atlanta tomorrow, guys. Pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
This is very clearly the two differences in head coach
Mockler and head coach Ocelin. You guys want a fun time,
how about we win a fucking game. I'm like candy,
We got Candy.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
We bring lou willback just as a just divide.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
Ye take.
Speaker 3 (45:40):
He's not gonna play to.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
Be clear, speaking of Clippers who were vibes, We're gonna
end the show on kind of a bittersweet note. Congratulations
to the Nilo Gallinari for retiring. Fantastic career, an incredible clipper.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
Yeah, he was good and there's a two year thing.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
How are we needed?
Speaker 2 (46:02):
He was a part of that twenty nineteen first round
series against Golden State and for.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
What the team needed at the time, it was this
transition period. It was like, dude, he's consistent, he's goofies if.
Speaker 3 (46:13):
You look back. I mean, he and Tobias Harris were
such a pivotal part into what would become the two
and three era, which I know we all have bitter
feelings on now, but uh, a lot of things don't
happen with those two guys.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
And he was part of one of the greatest bits
Will and I ever invented or nicknames, which was Tobias
Harris and Denio Gallinari were Tobio. Mariam Swanson hates that,
which I don't get. Shout out Mariam Swanson, who does
wonderful work anyway, crazy he's retiring, Shout out to you
the rooster the rooster man. All right, that about wraps
(46:51):
things up. One of us is going to be in
Las Vegas at a collegiate wrestling tournament this weekend, so
there might only be an episode on Sunday, but we'll
figure something out.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
There.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
Will there will be Clippers talk, I know that much.
Thank you Adam for continuing to do that. I'm sorry
for the abuse that you get in the chat.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Will. They're not even real people. Let's just troll.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Makes me laugh, Will, Where can people I do think
when things are bad, it's kind of fun to listen
to this show because we have a little bit of
fun with it. Where can people review their sorrowful listening
of clips and.
Speaker 3 (47:30):
Do yeah, yeah, we'll take pity likes. You can review
us anywhere you get your podcasts, over on Apple Podcasters.
Spotify is the best way to do it helps us out.
I don't know where they aggregate reviews on other things,
but if you happen to listen somewhere else, go ahead,
leave a little, leave a little ready to review there.
You can also check us out over on YouTube dot
com at Clippers Podcast. But yeah, however you listen, however
(47:53):
you watch, if you're still listening, if you're still watching,
we appreciate you so so much. Uh, maybe we can
turn this ship around dish.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:06):
Maybe. And if you've ever worked for if you've ever
worked for Clips and Dip, leave us a review on glassdoor.
Go ahead and give us five stars for being a
great employer.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
There.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
Uh adam, this keeps getting more difficult every week. It
started as a fun thing, but now it's like, damn,
we need one positive thing to head into this three
and four.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
Coach Lou finally pushed the if you're not gonna play hard,
you're not gonna play button. And I want to see
what happens tomorrow. After the starters got ventilated did in
the third quarter.
Speaker 1 (48:41):
There we go. We want to see it. Thank you
for listening. As Will said, here's to me not having
to take everyone to Applebee's. I don't want to be
five and twenty and when we're six and twenty, I
am a party like a god damn lunatic.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
You know it's not good in the neighborhood the Clippers
right now, No, not at all.
Speaker 1 (49:04):
Thank you to everybody. We will be back soon and
as always, let's go Clips.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
Yeah,
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